From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 1 00:07:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0157qCI030723 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:07:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0157qWO030722 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:07:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0157pCI030718 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:07:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0157lib024146 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:07:51 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0157Tam032230 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:07:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 8418 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2005 05:07:29 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2005 05:07:29 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A58081256E8; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:04:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 00:04:39 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pet. Meeting Message-ID: <20050101050439.GJ32299@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG References: <200412312233.58713.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200412312233.58713.sotl155360@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Dec 31, 2004 at 10:33:58PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > I noticed that there are no St. Pete. meetings listed on the SLUG calender. > > Are there going to be meetings? > > If so when? > > Frank This is my oversight when I prepared the calendar for 2005. I should have it corrected shortly. Meantime, they should proceed as normally scheduled. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 1 02:00:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j01707CI031514 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:00:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j01707Fe031513 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:00:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j01706CI031509 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:00:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j01705ib029718 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:00:06 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j016xcam029540 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:59:51 -0500 Received: from pool-25.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.205] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 79GMN00 for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:58:31 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] xine sound Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:48:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501010148.33643.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Can't get Kaffeine to play sound for an .asf file. Following is the error message. Ideas?? What to do ?? xine: couldn't find demux for >http://sound.wmnf.org/sound/wmnf_041224_130600_radf_256.m3u< input_http: content length = 96 bytes input_http: 3xx redirection: >301 Moved Permanently< xine: found input plugin : http input plugin xine: found demuxer plugin: ASF demux plugin xine: found input plugin : file input plugin Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 1 09:42:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j01EgrCI002490 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:42:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j01EgrDQ002489 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:42:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j01EgqCI002485 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:42:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j01Egpib020049 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:42:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j01EgWam024293 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:42:32 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (251-114.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.114.251]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j01EgT1b026680; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 09:42:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41D6B6D0.2050501@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 14:42:24 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] xine sound References: <200501010148.33643.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200501010148.33643.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Can't get Kaffeine to play sound for an .asf file. Following is the > error message. Ideas?? What to do ?? > xine: couldn't find demux for >>http://sound.wmnf.org/sound/wmnf_041224_130600_radf_256.m3u< > input_http: content length = 96 bytes > input_http: 3xx redirection: >301 Moved Permanently< > xine: found input plugin : http input plugin > xine: found demuxer plugin: ASF demux plugin > xine: found input plugin : file input plugin I'm just a user, but it looks like you are trying to get music out of a text file and your player can not find a CODEC to match, based on the file's extension or magic numbers. It is reproduced below, and it contains the URL for the file you intended on playing. It is an .mp3 not an .asf file. < #EXTM3U #EXTINF:3600, Critical Times http://sound.wmnf.org/sound/wmnf_041224_130600_radf_256.mp3 > I pressed F3 in mc to view the contents of the file. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 1 10:29:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j01FTKCI002816 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:29:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j01FTKMG002815 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:29:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j01FTJCI002811 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:29:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j01FTJib021931 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:29:19 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j01FSsam003790 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:28:54 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so348383rnz for ; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:28:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; b=gJBjlhuJoi+CokKCmxnN2qz92V5V1nSr2jGTO3Wy6yj8VKYFb+bzf5hA6x7uDD5JM9h3RMj6ImBd88PESeHac5ayjiJe32RYyw5hMjHhYz6Fuaq7HXix5AUdcMjES+3Zjcdm2IRnIvIZVR76CcNsEOIKC2Dfizha0XSGEvC1cgE= Received: by 10.38.25.1 with SMTP id 1mr515703rny; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:28:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 62sm10012rna.2005.01.01.07.28.53; Sat, 01 Jan 2005 07:28:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] xine sound Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:28:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <41D6B6D0.2050501@tampabay.rr.com> Thread-Index: AcTwEP5PcsTk5/S4QbqtMyR+H2gHcwABI3qg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <41d6c1b5.0ed14b03.6f0a.0054@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Ronald KA4INM Youvan > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:42 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] xine sound > > > Can't get Kaffeine to play sound for an .asf file. Following is the > > error message. Ideas?? What to do ?? > > > xine: couldn't find demux for > > >>http://sound.wmnf.org/sound/wmnf_041224_130600_radf_256.m3u< > > > input_http: content length = 96 bytes > > input_http: 3xx redirection: >301 Moved Permanently< > > xine: found input plugin : http input plugin > > xine: found demuxer plugin: ASF demux plugin > > xine: found input plugin : file input plugin This isn't an .asf (old Windows Media) file; .m3u is an MP3 playlist, but the error message indicates they put Windows Media A/V format targets on it (stupid, since .asx is the preferred method for Windows Media playlists and WM Audio now uses the .wma extension versus .wmv for Windows Media A/V). It could also be that they encoded the .asf using an audio codec (ACELP.net) not currently supported in the win32codec package (Bloomberg TV's feed is one example). You need the win32codec package to play Windows Media files. It is not usually installed with xine but some distros list it as a dependency for mplayer. There is also an mplayer plug-in (xmms-mplayer, I think) for XMMS that will let you play formats supported by mplayer in XMMS (it essentially calls mplayer to play the file). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 1 22:48:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j023mBCI008000 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:48:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j023mBRt007999 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:48:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j023mBCI007995 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:48:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j023mAib019221 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:48:10 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j023lram021758 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:47:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([4.4.102.92]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050102034750.QCAK12052.out002.verizon.net@[192.168.1.46]> for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:47:50 -0600 Message-ID: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:47:30 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041124) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:47:49 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.088, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well what started out as a way of me ranting with out driving all the other Social Sluggers from going nuts. I started a blog. http://www.xboxnps2.com Then Eric decided to put one up and then the always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. I think that everyone should post there blog and so we can all link to one an another. Just make a big webring. I find the other sluggers blogs to be entertaining and sometimes just plan funny. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 00:02:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0252hCI008563 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:02:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0252hMB008562 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:02:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0252gCI008558 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:02:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0252fib022395 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:02:41 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0251JDv007411 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:01:19 -0500 Received: from pool-50.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.230] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 79SAS00 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:00:25 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Worried Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 00:40:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501020040.41325.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.375, required 6, AWL 0.53, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Runniing SuSE 9.2 on an x86_64 platform Did a apt upgrade of a few packages a few minutes ago, watched the upgrade, and got some results that worry me. Would one, or several Sluggers look it over and tell me if I have cause for worry ? Took out some stuff that appeared to be OK for the sake of brevity. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y Committing changes... Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:alsa ########################################### [ 5%] Updating etc/sysconfig/sound... Updating etc/sysconfig/joystick... FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8-24.5-default/modules.dep: No such fileor directory ..failed ..skipped 2:arts ########################################### [ 11%] Starting SuSEconfig, the SuSE Configuration Tool... Running module permissions only Reading /etc/sysconfig and updating the system... Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.permissions... Checking permissions and ownerships - using the permissions files /etc/permissions.d/cups-client /etc/permissions.d/kdebase3 /etc/permissions.d/kdelibs3 /etc/permissions.d/postfix /etc/permissions.d/susehelp /etc/permissions /etc/permissions.easy /etc/permissions.local setting /opt/kde3/bin/artswrapper to root:root 4755. (wrong permissions 0755) Finished. 3:bind-utils ########################################### [ 16%] 4:bind ########################################### [ 21%] Updating etc/sysconfig/named... /usr/sbin/named-checkconf: error while loading shared libraries: libbind9.so.0:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory /usr/sbin/named-checkconf: error while loading shared libraries: libbind9.so.0:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ..skipped 5:bind-libs ########################################### [ 26%] 6:bind-chrootenv ########################################### [ 32%] Updating etc/sysconfig/named... Updating etc/sysconfig/syslog... 7:k3b ########################################### [ 37%] 8:libgphoto2 ########################################### [ 42%] 9:libsmbclient ########################################### [ 47%] 10:libtheora ########################################### [ 53%] 11:powersave ########################################### [ 58%] Updating etc/sysconfig/powersave/scheme_acoustic... .................................... [100%] Done. EasyStreet:/ # Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 06:26:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02BQeCI011501 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j02BQeHR011500 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02BQdCI011496 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02BQcib010837 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:38 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02BQXDv000913 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:33 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so79774rne for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:26:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=Y2bmBhuO5hj/pr02YyNRrFMh+jmxY4wnYy1VmeGwKxLmHmC50LfOJdsl91ICQtiY/c2WnpMXRWMrNOXoQ9+0xdb6vnrQbRvs16iDmcNEeXtxLVwOV+TnETKuq88N+cnQ2HDYKiM4jwQRO/1rLXCYsJ0sZtrrULVfwFmqDlUNLYo= Received: by 10.38.15.52 with SMTP id 52mr82273rno; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm543713rna.2005.01.02.03.26.32; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:26:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Worried Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200501020040.41325.rnr@sanctum.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTwiQlG6QvcGzRxSDaRoYSRryIvXAANNG3w Message-ID: <41d7da69.67378029.0793.2441@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.996, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looks like you (a) don't have a joystick installed, and (b) don't have the bind package installed. Neither's a show-stopper. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob Stia > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:41 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Worried > > Hello Sluggers, > > Runniing SuSE 9.2 on an x86_64 platform > > Did a apt upgrade of a few packages a few minutes ago, watched the > upgrade, and got some results that worry me. > > Would one, or several Sluggers look it over and tell me if I have cause > for worry ? Took out some stuff that appeared to be OK for the sake of > brevity. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y > Committing changes... > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > 1:alsa ########################################### > [ 5%] > Updating etc/sysconfig/sound... > Updating etc/sysconfig/joystick... > FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8-24.5-default/modules.dep: No > such fileor directory > ..failed > ..skipped > 2:arts ########################################### > [ 11%] > Starting SuSEconfig, the SuSE Configuration Tool... > Running module permissions only > Reading /etc/sysconfig and updating the system... > Executing /sbin/conf.d/SuSEconfig.permissions... > Checking permissions and ownerships - using the permissions files > /etc/permissions.d/cups-client > /etc/permissions.d/kdebase3 > /etc/permissions.d/kdelibs3 > /etc/permissions.d/postfix > /etc/permissions.d/susehelp > /etc/permissions > /etc/permissions.easy > /etc/permissions.local > setting /opt/kde3/bin/artswrapper to root:root 4755. (wrong permissions > 0755) > Finished. > 3:bind-utils ########################################### > [ 16%] > 4:bind ########################################### > [ 21%] > Updating etc/sysconfig/named... > /usr/sbin/named-checkconf: error while loading shared libraries: > libbind9.so.0:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > /usr/sbin/named-checkconf: error while loading shared libraries: > libbind9.so.0:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory > ..skipped > 5:bind-libs ########################################### > [ 26%] > 6:bind-chrootenv ########################################### > [ 32%] > Updating etc/sysconfig/named... > Updating etc/sysconfig/syslog... > 7:k3b ########################################### > [ 37%] > 8:libgphoto2 ########################################### > [ 42%] > 9:libsmbclient ########################################### > [ 47%] > 10:libtheora ########################################### > [ 53%] > 11:powersave ########################################### > [ 58%] > Updating etc/sysconfig/powersave/scheme_acoustic... > .................................... > [100%] > Done. > EasyStreet:/ # > > Bob S. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 06:26:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02BQpCI011508 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j02BQpYQ011507 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02BQoCI011503 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02BQmit010841 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:26:49 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02BPUam021657 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:25:30 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id y7so79726rne for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:25:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=DlaPvRtVj05LtWQICwX9iTZkgRKQc0TLPHghXSOPpwy3eEA1NltzEGUfOfyWBIZjRgI6zVpY+in9+V5zBe0zO+TKM0D3zn9TWEahEqKWYPPwABAzHrZ2fFvhCPlvg7cBgCrqXHQEcavirCwF++QujoVwyEQXEuI3S5gX550PzJ8= Received: by 10.38.101.30 with SMTP id y30mr217605rnb; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:25:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 70sm523964rnc.2005.01.02.03.25.28; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 03:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 06:25:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTwfp33X5UmUm/WSe2xdbbPx36Z3gAPv0ag Message-ID: <41d7da29.633ebbaa.0516.1ed0@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.701, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I actually have a "phlog" (one in which I post pictures from my camera phone as well as the occasional rant). http://www.sanctuaryweb.org, select 'Mobile "Phlog"' from the menu. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:48 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs > > Well what started out as a way of me ranting with out driving all the > other Social Sluggers from going nuts. I started a blog. > http://www.xboxnps2.com Then Eric decided to put one up and then the > always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. I think that > everyone should post there blog and so we can all link to one an > another. Just make a big webring. I find the other sluggers blogs to > be entertaining and sometimes just plan funny. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 09:35:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02EZ3CI012843 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:35:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j02EZ3pd012841 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:35:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02EZ2CI012837 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:35:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02EZ2ib020698 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:35:02 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02EYkDv010059 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:34:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C349A56 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 09:35:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41D80646.3080006@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:33:42 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.876, required 6, AWL -0.12, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: > Well what started out as a way of me ranting with out driving all the > other Social Sluggers from going nuts. I started a blog. > http://www.xboxnps2.com Then Eric decided to put one up and then the > always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. I think that > everyone should post there blog and so we can all link to one an > another. Just make a big webring. I find the other sluggers blogs to > be entertaining and sometimes just plan funny. Mine: http://www.digitalhermit.com/about Speaking of which, I am looking for a PHP based blog commenting system. I was using Reblogger but there was some problem with the interaction between it and the PHPNav cms that I used and it caused incredibly slow page loads. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 10:15:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02FFmCI013131 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:15:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j02FFmVk013130 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:15:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02FFmCI013126 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:15:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02FFlib022443 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:15:47 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.247]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02FFIDv018710 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:15:19 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so262894cwc for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mYnItdc09xClZS7MB+7iVfJev1IBb7h2TF0VWWAtCBE8nXc85d9TckpFcHrDZVOWPEwwQF6cKe0ejNWGE/MWbxtDk8PBPGgM4BTqV9Cw20fROk9OzttXMTIXiHqv+RS4el5NhVHbF6iuvnJWBW1C5IX94Zb/Sd5K1dXOhz3tFrE= Received: by 10.11.118.26 with SMTP id q26mr126751cwc; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:15:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd050102071552942ca8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:15:18 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Worried In-Reply-To: <41d7da69.67378029.0793.2441@smtp.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501020040.41325.rnr@sanctum.com> <41d7da69.67378029.0793.2441@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.85, required 6, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Updating etc/sysconfig/joystick... > FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8-24.5-default/modules.dep: No > such fileor directory > ..failed > ..skipped Is that really due to lack of joystick? What does ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r` report? Those ` are backticks. Is it possible you upgraded your kernel, removing the previous kernel and module files, and haven't rebooted since? If not, and you do have a /lib/modules/2.6.8-24.5-default, but no modules.dep, depmod -a should regenerate one for you. If you don't have /lib/modules/2.6.8-24.5-default, I'd make sure your boot loader points to the new kernel (and initrd if you have one), and reboot... otherwise any time you need drivers that are not precompiled into the kernel or haven't been loaded as modules before the kernel upgrade, the kernel won't be able to load them because the files have been removed with your upgrade. It could be lack of joystick, but I would have expected something more along the lines of the driver complaining when it was loaded, not your post-install configuration saying "Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.8-24.5-default/modules.dep" In general, after upgrading your kernel, you want to boot the new kernel if the possibility exists to need new modules loaded or do any configuration that pokes around in /lib/modules, particularly when the running versions files have been removed ;). And presumably you upgraded the kernel for a reason, security or otherwise, so why tarry? Sorry you uptime guys ;). ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 17:45:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02MjKCI016205 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:45:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j02MjKIX016204 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:45:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02MjJCI016200 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:45:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02Mj4ib008856 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:45:19 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02MinDv003694 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:44:50 -0500 Received: from pcp03955260pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.208] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ClESm-00089M-Rj for slug@nks.net; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:44:41 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-tzN3RvhVjBFHysI/RyY2" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:41:14 -0500 Message-Id: <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.628, required 6, AWL 0.37, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-tzN3RvhVjBFHysI/RyY2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 22:47 -0500, Robert Snyder wrote: > Then Eric decided to put one up and then the=20 > always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. Here is why I updated. I have lived a total of eight plus years in Florida, but I have never seen an iguana this far north. I called Animal Control and they never came. This morning, I noticed an interesting track in the sand, next to my drive way. I walked around the corner of my garage, to discover the iguana, once again, stalking vegetation in my yard. I called Animal Control once again and they said, "Oh, we never come collect animals that are native to the area." If you are wondering about the creature I found on my deck yesterday, look here: http://www.allyourbase-arebelongto.us/?q=3Dnode/12 I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. The Logan --=20 17:35:01 up 97 days, 19:44, 6 users, load average: 0.10, 0.30, 0.49 When you look up redundant in the dictionary it says, "see redundant". -- M= att Miller, SLUG List ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-tzN3RvhVjBFHysI/RyY2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB2HiK3OecGqSbkyMRAmhpAKC+XmuE7vMNG0F7RxbH48WexaPfogCbBerO o9vmZVF99g+bFeiv9/O1BTw= =3SUT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-tzN3RvhVjBFHysI/RyY2-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 18:17:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02NHUCI016417 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:17:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j02NHUnU016416 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:17:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02NHTCI016412 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:17:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02NHQif010296 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:17:29 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02NGwam016425 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:16:58 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so515145rna for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:16:53 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Zwv8qWdqClpNoiwKvhZaG/Bo473fYJlp3cGpD6KsGW8JfUzdlHDvHvRsh5FpQ+WrfnrxxX59esnXdNlWP05hc9UIUpc5SiHw/bDynx0j1ufxCAnPi/lS4HrYyNau4a1HjBorYJEfAp2F6NH9i08hr491JNKIZpt6WEmcJgASzl8= Received: by 10.38.102.50 with SMTP id z50mr249531rnb; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 15:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.5 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:16:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c905705010215167654f64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:16:53 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs In-Reply-To: <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.7, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:41:14 -0500, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 22:47 -0500, Robert Snyder wrote: > > > Then Eric decided to put one up and then the > > always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. > > Here is why I updated. I have lived a total of eight plus years in > Florida, but I have never seen an iguana this far north. I called > Animal Control and they never came. This morning, I noticed an > interesting track in the sand, next to my drive way. I walked around > the corner of my garage, to discover the iguana, once again, stalking > vegetation in my yard. I called Animal Control once again and they > said, "Oh, we never come collect animals that are native to the area." > They are introduced, if the climate is warm enough they will reproduce, and keep going. I know that there are some pretty good size colonies in S. FL, but did not kknow that they were able to do so this far north. I guess if they can keep warm when it cools down they can pull it off. > If you are wondering about the creature I found on my deck yesterday, > look here: > http://www.allyourbase-arebelongto.us/?q=node/12 > Colouration looks like a rock iguana of some sort, but the crest looks more green iguana. Like to see it real life. > I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. > They not, but they have adapted see above... -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 18:33:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02NX8CI016566 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:33:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j02NX8Ac016565 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:33:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j02NX7CI016561 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:33:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02NX7ib010979 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:33:07 -0500 Received: from maestro.iceburg.net (unknown.sagonet.net [66.111.62.220] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j02NWUam019678 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:32:34 -0500 Received: from www-data by maestro.iceburg.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ClE4l-0004j1-00 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:19:51 -0500 Received: from 12.153.14.163 ([12.153.14.163]) by secure.iceburg.net (Horde) with HTTP for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:19:51 -0500 Message-ID: <20050102171951.ajrvo9v6qtk44cws@secure.iceburg.net> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:19:51 -0500 From: bhb@iceburg.net To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-WebMail-Company: iCEBURG.NET X-Originating-IP: 12.153.14.163 X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.762, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL 0.78) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Quoting Logan Tygart : > On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 22:47 -0500, Robert Snyder wrote: > >> Then Eric decided to put one up and then the >> always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. > > Here is why I updated. I have lived a total of eight plus years in > Florida, but I have never seen an iguana this far north. I called > Animal Control and they never came. This morning, I noticed an > interesting track in the sand, next to my drive way. I walked around > the corner of my garage, to discover the iguana, once again, stalking > vegetation in my yard. I called Animal Control once again and they > said, "Oh, we never come collect animals that are native to the area." > > If you are wondering about the creature I found on my deck yesterday, > look here: > http://www.allyourbase-arebelongto.us/?q=node/12 > > I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. > > The Logan > -- > 17:35:01 up 97 days, 19:44, 6 users, load average: 0.10, 0.30, 0.49 > When you look up redundant in the dictionary it says, "see > redundant". -- Matt Miller, SLUG List > ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever > Registered Linux User: 277727 > Boca Grande is infested with Brown Iguanas. Sometimes it's fun to do some land fishing for them. You'll find them in trees, amongst garbage, and probably under porches now that all the pines have blown over. ---------------------------------------------------------------- . .. Message delivered by the iCEBURG.NET WebMail Service .. . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 21:24:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j032OdCI017793 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:24:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j032OdHh017792 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:24:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j032OdCI017788 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:24:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j032Ocib018583 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:24:38 -0500 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j032ONDv015253 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:24:24 -0500 Received: from 653415hfc160.tampabay.rr.com ([65.34.15.160]:4064 helo=[192.168.1.103]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1ClHtL-0006l0-UV for slug@nks.net; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:24:20 -0500 Message-ID: <41D8ACC1.30607@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:24:01 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.435, required 6, AWL -0.23, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. > > Neither are humans, but animal control refuses to pick up any of the badly-behaved ones I call in... - R ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 22:23:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j033NpCI018225 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:23:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j033NpTB018224 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:23:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j033NoCI018220 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:23:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j033Nnib021268 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:23:50 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j033NLan017172 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:23:24 -0500 Received: from pool-44.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.224] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 7OUPR00 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:22:27 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Twist on compiling an src.rpm Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:08:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501022308.13985.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Question for the Sluggers, Running SuSE 9.2 on an x86_64 platform Want to install win32codecs for xine. Went to packman. Two choices, a 386.rpm and a src.rpm. Downloaded the .src. Question is: If I compile the .src will I end up with a _64rpm ?? Do I need to do anything special in the SPECS file like add patches or something? An aside: What the heck is a "delta" rpm?? (new terminology for me) Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 22:24:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j033OACI018241 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:24:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j033OA9p018240 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:24:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j033OACI018236 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:24:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j033O9id021293 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:24:09 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j033NLam017172 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:23:22 -0500 Received: from pool-44.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.224] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 7OUPO00 for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 22:22:25 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Worried Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:51:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501020040.41325.rnr@sanctum.com> <41d7da69.67378029.0793.2441@smtp.gmail.com> <125d27dd050102071552942ca8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd050102071552942ca8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501022251.40658.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:15, Daniel Jarboe wrote: Thanks for replying Daniel & Steven, > Is that really due to lack of joystick? What does > > ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r` ............................. > > In general, after upgrading your kernel, you want to boot the new > kernel if the possibility exists to need new modules loaded or do any > configuration that pokes around in /lib/modules, particularly when > the running versions files have been removed ;). And presumably you > upgraded the kernel for a reason, security or otherwise, so why > tarry? Sorry you uptime guys ;). > Wellllll, seems you are very correct. I upgraded the kernel and did not reboot. No, I do not have a joystick. I guess it is the same problem with the bind upgrade ?? Seems odd to me that the upgrade would generate error messages before a re-boot though. Oh well.... Seems I was worried for nothing but learned something along the way. Appreciate your input and imparting your knowledge to me Daniel. Thanks again guys Bob S. PS What ???? is a delta rpm ??? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 22:34:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j033Y4CI018336 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:34:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j033Y4u8018335 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:34:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j033Y3CI018331 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:34:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j033Xxib021707 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:34:03 -0500 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [66.195.224.113]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j033Xjam019246 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:33:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j033Xfan025421 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:33:42 -0500 Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:33:41 -0500 (EST) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: slug] Twist on compiling an src.rpm In-Reply-To: <200501022308.13985.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: References: <200501022308.13985.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2 Jan 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > Running SuSE 9.2 on an x86_64 platform Want to install win32codecs for > xine. Went to packman. Two choices, a 386.rpm and a src.rpm. Downloaded > the .src. > > Question is: If I compile the .src will I end up with a _64rpm ?? Do I > need to do anything special in the SPECS file like add patches or > something? Depends on the goodness of the underlying code upstream, the SRPM generally, and the maturity of x86_64 build suport on SuSE 9.2 -- The issue as to upstream code is if it hardcodes constructs as '/usr/lib/' rather than letting ./configure, and the autotools, and the compiler and linker substitute in a more likely /usr/lib64/ type path. As to packaging, the issue is similar, as a novice packager may likewise use hardcoded library paths rather than the %_lib construct. As to SuSE support maturity, I do not follow this distribution as its development process is essentially closed for large portions. > An aside: What the heck is a "delta" rpm?? (new terminology for me) A SuSE extension of 'diffs' against RPM's which is fragile, and a security nightmare, but permits some bandwidth savings. ;) My $0.02 -- Russ Herrold ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 2 23:44:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j034ioCI018858 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:44:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j034io85018857 for slug-track29; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:44:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j034inCI018853 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:44:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j034inib024849 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:44:49 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j034ibam005267 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:44:38 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so555505rna for ; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:44:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JUPZ09eToeEajmOIq9Fy/1eMwWDqo6baKosaF87XLKxf0bHYhgeW6eyhPF678Q7Bw7vZEpps9/raCjdrH4ifXffxS/koE2gQ4Zh26Yo3bA4HHT8vgEYLV3aus2OqKKDjIdqMB8QquyLgb7P0F9RpEsimVNUyus9Kp8YcAShGiX4= Received: by 10.38.73.54 with SMTP id v54mr71630rna; Sun, 02 Jan 2005 20:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.9 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:44:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31050102204463e76ced@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:44:37 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: slug] Twist on compiling an src.rpm In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501022308.13985.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > The issue as to upstream code is if it hardcodes constructs as > '/usr/lib/' rather than letting ./configure, and the > autotools, and the compiler and linker substitute in a more > likely /usr/lib64/ type path. As to packaging, the issue is > similar, as a novice packager may likewise use hardcoded > library paths rather than the %_lib construct. As to SuSE > support maturity, I do not follow this distribution as its > development process is essentially closed for large portions. That's part of the reason why the /usr/lib64 type path is horribly, horribly wrong for an amd64 distribution. -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 02:18:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j037IaCI019921 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:18:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j037IaUT019920 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:18:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j037IZCI019916 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:18:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j037IZib032677 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:18:35 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j037IBam019390 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:18:11 -0500 Received: from pool-36.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.216] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 7OWA700 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:17:10 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: slug] Twist on compiling an src.rpm Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:47:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501022308.13985.rnr@sanctum.com> <1a3a3e31050102204463e76ced@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e31050102204463e76ced@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501030247.19999.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 02 January 2005 23:44, Levi Bard wrote: > > The issue as to upstream code is if it hardcodes constructs as > > '/usr/lib/' rather than letting ./configure, and the > > autotools, and the compiler and linker substitute in a more > > likely /usr/lib64/ type path. As to packaging, the issue is > > similar, as a novice packager may likewise use hardcoded > > library paths rather than the %_lib construct. As to SuSE > > support maturity, I do not follow this distribution as its > > development process is essentially closed for large portions. > > That's part of the reason why the /usr/lib64 type path is horribly, > horribly wrong for an amd64 distribution. Hmmmmmm.....Thanks ????? guys !!!. My head is beginning to hurt !!! Doesn't answer the question but I guess there is no definitive answer. Soooo... I guess I could just rebuild the .src, not worry about any SPECS, and see what happens ??? Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 06:16:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03BG9CI021782 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:16:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j03BG9xG021781 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:16:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03BG6CI021777 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:16:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03BG1in011803 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:16:06 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.244]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03BFXam018771 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:15:34 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so272380cwc for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:15:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=iAk88dNOQQKG1G9oo9aAp7YhYE6K08doBR9GlApmT6KwDGWvz+i0bpNsa1JPZGU1BD8jGwHAhDlvXI5Oz7mIRGdXcEyftvNtdkKSjSuN6fvZsKYXUWtRq4UugZrE9TMZMJFZFAn2+obLfJc9vUN7Qrica+npVvtaNJmhOeqLS3A= Received: by 10.11.94.55 with SMTP id r55mr142094cwb; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:15:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 03:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd05010303155a1f7530@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:15:32 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Worried In-Reply-To: <200501022251.40658.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501020040.41325.rnr@sanctum.com> <41d7da69.67378029.0793.2441@smtp.gmail.com> <125d27dd050102071552942ca8@mail.gmail.com> <200501022251.40658.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Wellllll, seems you are very correct. I upgraded the kernel and did not > reboot. No, I do not have a joystick. I guess it is the same problem > with the bind upgrade ?? not finding libbind9.so.0 is different. libbind9.so.0 is required for running bind9 and bind utils. If you don't have anything to do with running a dns server, you shouldn't need it. > PS What ???? is a delta rpm ??? It might be this: https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/rpm-devel/2004-December/000156.html Take care! ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 08:52:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03DqpCI022869 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:52:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j03Dqp9J022868 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:52:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03DqoCI022864 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:52:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03Dqnib019362 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:52:50 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03Dq4am028360 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:52:05 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j03Dq3w4023746 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:52:03 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j03Dq0eB023715; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:52:00 GMT Message-Id: <200501031352.j03Dq0eB023715@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 13:52:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:51:01 -0500 References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1104760320-9950912.06144532 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 01 January 2005 10:47 pm, Robert Snyder wrote: > I think that everyone should post there blog and so we can all link to one > another. Just make a big webring. I find the other sluggers blogs to > be entertaining and sometimes just plan funny. okay wee robby snyder, here's my blog: http://www.ejahn.net/blog/ i'm trying to keep it updated. unfortunately, it doesn't show my friend's feeds unless you log in. haven't figured how to change that yet... -Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 11:12:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03GCNCI023819 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j03GCNSP023818 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03GCMCI023814 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03GCLib025427 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:12:21 -0500 Received: from out014.verizon.net (out014pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03GBwam003447 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:11:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([4.4.102.92]) by out014.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050103161157.FIDC28388.out014.verizon.net@[192.168.1.47]> for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:11:57 -0600 Message-ID: <41D96ED1.2010008@gte.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:12:01 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <200501031352.j03Dq0eB023715@rs16.luxsci.com> In-Reply-To: <200501031352.j03Dq0eB023715@rs16.luxsci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out014.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:11:57 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.588, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eric Jahn wrote: >On Saturday 01 January 2005 10:47 pm, Robert Snyder wrote: > > >>I think that everyone should post there blog and so we can all link to one >>another. Just make a big webring. I find the other sluggers blogs to >>be entertaining and sometimes just plan funny. >> >> > >okay wee robby snyder, > >here's my blog: >http://www.ejahn.net/blog/ > >i'm trying to keep it updated. unfortunately, it doesn't show my friend's >feeds unless you log in. haven't figured how to change that yet... >-Eric > > Well drupal thing that everyone seems so while about seems like too much work to me. that is why i just chose Blog::cms which is just great. I love the fact it has 10 different options for news feeds. Now i can check my blog from my cell >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 11:42:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03GgRCI024044 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:42:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j03GgRBC024043 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:42:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03GgQCI024039 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:42:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03GgQid026796 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:42:26 -0500 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03GgCam009701 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:42:12 -0500 Received: from 653415hfc160.tampabay.rr.com ([65.34.15.160]:5144 helo=[192.168.1.103]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1ClVHY-00049L-9y for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:42:12 -0500 Message-ID: <41D975CA.4060809@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:41:46 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <200501031352.j03Dq0eB023715@rs16.luxsci.com> <41D96ED1.2010008@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <41D96ED1.2010008@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.555, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Well drupal thing that everyone seems so while about seems like too > much work to me. that is why i just chose Blog::cms which is just > great. I love the fact it has 10 different options for news feeds. > Now i can check my blog from my cell I chose drupal for several reasons: 1) - the big one - my hosting service already had it installed 2) it tars pages before sending them, which saves bandwidth. Since my personal page is often linked from Slashdot (bylines), this is important for me. 3) Can run multiple sites on one instance of drupal. Since I have multiple sites, this saves work. Otherwise, I'd say drupal falls into the "good enough" category. It's not fantastic, but does what I need. As fas as checking my site from my cell, I am not in prison so this isn't an issue. Good luck with your next parole hearing, rob! - R ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 13:10:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03IAQCI024662 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:10:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j03IAQi2024661 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:10:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j03IAPCI024657 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:10:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03IAOij031165 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:10:25 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j03IAAf6017992 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:10:11 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j03IA8x0021250 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:10:08 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j03IA2Mw021183; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:10:02 GMT Message-Id: <200501031810.j03IA2Mw021183@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:10:02 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:08:30 -0500 References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <41D96ED1.2010008@gte.net> <41D975CA.4060809@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <41D975CA.4060809@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1104775802-8684275.20228923 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.146, required 6, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 03 January 2005 11:41 am, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > 3) Can run multiple sites on one instance of drupal. Since I have > multiple sites, this saves work. blog::cms does this also. blog::cms also has a better photo gallery by default. i'm not even sure how to do this with drupal yet. blog::cms is also a ton more mature when it comes to supporting the various feeds. drupal looks better out of the box; that's probably why I picked it, but it will cause me more work in the long run to get everything how i want it. -Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 19:01:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0401PCI027126 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:01:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0401P6w027125 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:01:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0401PCI027121 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:01:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0401Nil014672 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:01:24 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0400Qf6016655 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:00:26 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so33588rna for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:00:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DNGP85U6fY6IfmZsBGtKK3Sl/fNxljVCS7DGzyVTodz7vD9rUSldjp3/ba+CmOzE4VCGG1VFHOyh/0GCjyuw+0feBaphrxuQfquklOPB0sQ8AWyoyxga87lM1KLuRzxOQUYZ52f7rq4hYr6txYD8bGS6eT2u9f6Fhq2ZJsJV9no= Received: by 10.38.13.9 with SMTP id 9mr464775rnm; Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.5 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:00:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c905705010316003ba57b49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:00:19 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs In-Reply-To: <20050102171951.ajrvo9v6qtk44cws@secure.iceburg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> <20050102171951.ajrvo9v6qtk44cws@secure.iceburg.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.284, required 6, AWL 0.42, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:19:51 -0500, bhb@iceburg.net wrote: > Quoting Logan Tygart : > > > On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 22:47 -0500, Robert Snyder wrote: > > > >> Then Eric decided to put one up and then the > >> always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. > > > > Here is why I updated. I have lived a total of eight plus years in > > Florida, but I have never seen an iguana this far north. I called > > Animal Control and they never came. This morning, I noticed an > > interesting track in the sand, next to my drive way. I walked around > > the corner of my garage, to discover the iguana, once again, stalking > > vegetation in my yard. I called Animal Control once again and they > > said, "Oh, we never come collect animals that are native to the area." > > > > If you are wondering about the creature I found on my deck yesterday, > > look here: > > http://www.allyourbase-arebelongto.us/?q=node/12 > > > > I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. > > > > The Logan > > -- > > 17:35:01 up 97 days, 19:44, 6 users, load average: 0.10, 0.30, 0.49 > > When you look up redundant in the dictionary it says, "see > > redundant". -- Matt Miller, SLUG List > > ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever > > Registered Linux User: 277727 > > > > Boca Grande is infested with Brown Iguanas. Sometimes it's fun to do some land > fishing for them. You'll find them in trees, amongst garbage, and probably > under porches now that all the pines have blown over. Yes, I guess that the location of the island out in the water keeps the temps up I do wonder how far north the lizards can survive. I have seen a few green ones around here, but I think they are escapees that escaped during the same year. I do not think it it warm enough at least around Tampa for them to survive the winter unless it is a warm one. I may be wrong though. S. FL has colonies all about it, and this is another one I have discovered. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 19:58:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j040wVCI027530 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:58:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j040wVJW027529 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:58:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j040wUCI027525 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:58:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j040wSin017251 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:58:30 -0500 Received: from admin.virtupresence.com (virtupresence.com [216.194.68.129] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j040uRwL001743 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:56:28 -0500 Received: from [65.34.240.137] (c-65-34-240-137.se.client2.attbi.com [65.34.240.137]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by admin.virtupresence.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j040u1M06019 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 19:56:10 -0500 Message-ID: <41D9E7CA.9030209@gnorb.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 19:48:10 -0500 From: Norbert Omar Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> <20050102171951.ajrvo9v6qtk44cws@secure.iceburg.net> <620c905705010316003ba57b49@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705010316003ba57b49@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.355, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Wow... I leave for a few months and when I come back, the iguana being talked about isn't related to Novell. (Saw one of those in the middle of the road a few days back, the non-Novell Iguana. Man that thing was big. It was the first one I'd ever seen out in the wild, if Flamingo Ave. could be considered "the wild.") Weird... Chuck Hast wrote: >On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:19:51 -0500, bhb@iceburg.net wrote: > > >>Quoting Logan Tygart : >> >> >> >>>On Sat, 2005-01-01 at 22:47 -0500, Robert Snyder wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Then Eric decided to put one up and then the >>>>always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. >>>> >>>> >>>Here is why I updated. I have lived a total of eight plus years in >>>Florida, but I have never seen an iguana this far north. I called >>>Animal Control and they never came. This morning, I noticed an >>>interesting track in the sand, next to my drive way. I walked around >>>the corner of my garage, to discover the iguana, once again, stalking >>>vegetation in my yard. I called Animal Control once again and they >>>said, "Oh, we never come collect animals that are native to the area." >>> >>>If you are wondering about the creature I found on my deck yesterday, >>>look here: >>>http://www.allyourbase-arebelongto.us/?q=node/12 >>> >>>I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. >>> >>>The Logan >>>-- >>>17:35:01 up 97 days, 19:44, 6 users, load average: 0.10, 0.30, 0.49 >>>When you look up redundant in the dictionary it says, "see >>>redundant". -- Matt Miller, SLUG List >>>ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever >>>Registered Linux User: 277727 >>> >>> >>> >>Boca Grande is infested with Brown Iguanas. Sometimes it's fun to do some land >>fishing for them. You'll find them in trees, amongst garbage, and probably >>under porches now that all the pines have blown over. >> >> > >Yes, I guess that the location of the island out in the water keeps the temps up >I do wonder how far north the lizards can survive. I have seen a few green ones >around here, but I think they are escapees that escaped during the same year. > >I do not think it it warm enough at least around Tampa for them to survive the >winter unless it is a warm one. I may be wrong though. S. FL has colonies all >about it, and this is another one I have discovered. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(209.216.70.218) by smtp1-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 02:44:03 -0000 Message-ID: <41DA02F4.5050807@ij.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 21:44:04 -0500 From: paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Qmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.239, required 6, AWL 0.98, BAYES_00 -4.90, FS_OBFU_Q1 1.03, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Can anybody on this list install and configure qmail and ezmlm? If so, I could use your services, if they are reasonably priced. Please respond to my private address and we can talk. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 3 23:18:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j044I3CI028974 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:18:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j044I3Mn028973 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:18:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j044I3CI028969 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:18:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j044I2ib026327 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:18:02 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j044HqwL017376 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:17:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 9027 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2005 04:17:52 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2005 04:17:52 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 26AD51256E8; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:14:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:14:50 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Announce List Cc: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota Meetings Changes Message-ID: <20050104041450.GL32299@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG Announce List , SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net To those attending Sarasota/Bradenton SLUG meetings, please note two changes: 1) Meetings are being moved to Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co., where they have been held recently. 2) Meetings are being moved to third Tuesday, instead of third Wednesday. In June this year, that means the meeting will be held almost a week later than usual (due to a quirk in the calendar). The SLUG website and future meeting announcements will reflect these changes, but I felt a separate announcement about the changes would be worthwhile. Paul M. Foster President Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 4 09:56:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04EuBCI001072 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:56:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j04EuB9L001071 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:56:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04Eu8CI001067 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:56:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j04Eu7ib024631 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:56:08 -0500 Received: from web52602.mail.yahoo.com (web52602.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.140]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j04EtXf6030056 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:55:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 40202 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 14:55:32 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=aRhbA1JcISqAv64tiRqPkhQGb8Nw5aRVjU9o/2ZpOWtU5jzRS0/XAr9f9BsDTD0N3LCy6MOSLGyuvrCYVOUNLOiITrscav2nDL9hbifupPUb8Eu/j3OcncmRGHOO+vEzSSFAZZEXlRpj6U68cB0X2YJwQFlBNVjfFqXdhAInLHA= ; Message-ID: <20050104145532.40200.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web52602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 06:55:32 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 06:55:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: [SLUG] Music Notation Software. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <13484.66.15.89.64.1103722561.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.47, required 6, AWL 0.34, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Greetings Fellow Penguin Jammers :) For those who may be interested, I have completed an arragement of a shaped note tune for my fathers brass quintet. ( My dad is 82 and currently performs approximately 90 performances a year on trombone) Anyway, I had previously posted some inquiries about music notation software and wanted to let you know where I was in the process. I downloaded and installed DENEMO. Which is a notation software and front end graphic/typesetter for Lillypond. I used it without the Lillypond back end. this is a pretty simple to use notation editor with some room for improvement. It does however get the job done. That particular job being PARTS writing. This will not do SCORES well. That part of the search will still continue. I also downloaded GSCORE which I attempted to install but since it did not find the C compiler it was looking for, so I will have to look at the source and see how I can manipulate it. I hope this helps someone, also if anyone has other suggestions I am open to listening :) Peace ! Mark __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 4 12:04:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04H49CI001944 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:04:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j04H49mU001943 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:04:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04H44CI001939 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:04:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j04H43ib030295 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:04:04 -0500 Received: from spatula.dreamhost.com (spatula.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j04H3iwL011572 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:03:44 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by spatula.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22EA17D026 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:03:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Music Notation Software. From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20050104145532.40200.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050104145532.40200.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1104858221.25686.24.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:03:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 09:55, Mark Banschbach wrote: > I also downloaded GSCORE which I attempted to > install but since it did not find the C compiler it > was looking for, so I will have to look at the source > and see how I can manipulate it. > > I hope this helps someone, also if anyone has other > suggestions I am open to listening :) > > Peace ! > > Mark > Mark, What version of gcc did it ask for?? I would think that it would be easier to match the version of compiler than hack the source. I've heard of people having multiple versions of gcc installed and chrooting when needed. I have never had this issue though as it seems that they try to do a pretty good job of being backward compatible. If it's a newer version you need, then upgrade ;^)!! HTH Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1104858221.25686.24.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.806, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi MIke.. Part of the issue is that I run a version of Knoppix called Damn Small Linux ( DSL- for short). The issue that DSL has is that it does not have GCC on it at all. It uses a different compiler TCC - Tiny C-Compiler. In Keeping with trying to make this distro tiny and efficient they used tcc as their choice.. therefore in the code somewhere it points to GCC and will need to either install GCC ( which has some issues involved) or pointing the install script to the TCC compiler. Make sense ? Mark --- Mike Branda wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 09:55, Mark Banschbach wrote: > > > I also downloaded GSCORE which I attempted to > > install but since it did not find the C compiler > it > > was looking for, so I will have to look at the > source > > and see how I can manipulate it. > > > > I hope this helps someone, also if anyone has > other > > suggestions I am open to listening :) > > > > Peace ! > > > > Mark > > > > Mark, > > What version of gcc did it ask for?? I would think > that it would be > easier to match the version of compiler than hack > the source. I've > heard of people having multiple versions of gcc > installed and chrooting > when needed. I have never had this issue though as > it seems that they > try to do a pretty good job of being backward > compatible. If it's a > newer version you need, then upgrade ;^)!! > > > HTH > > Mike Branda Jr. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 4 12:41:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04HflCI002217 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:41:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j04Hfle4002216 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:41:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04HfkCI002212 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:41:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j04Hfiih031786 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:41:46 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j04HfQf6028533 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:41:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E75FF994; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Konqueror problem Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:43:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200301092216.44215.a.smitty@verizon.net> <200301092301.33730.a.smitty@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200301092301.33730.a.smitty@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501041243.48766.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.128, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Smitty, I'm having similar problems. How did you do it? /mario On Thursday 09 January 2003 23:01, Smitty wrote: > This problem is solved. > > On Thursday 09 January 2003 22:16, you wrote: > > Tonight while browsing, I could not get html pages. They would not load > > and a black field would be displayed. I went to the view setting and > > view mode, which had kview selected by default, I then selected KHTML and > > then could read the page. Noticed this also when I browse my own files. > > I evidently have a corrupted config file. Would anyone know how to fix > > this? Smitty ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20050104173434.41390.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050104173434.41390.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1104869250.25686.43.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 15:07:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.683, required 6, AWL 0.22, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 12:34, Mark Banschbach wrote: > Hi MIke.. > > Part of the issue is that I run a version of Knoppix > called Damn Small Linux ( DSL- for short). The issue > that DSL has is that it does not have GCC on it at > all. It uses a different compiler TCC - Tiny > C-Compiler. > > In Keeping with trying to make this distro tiny and > efficient they used tcc as their choice.. therefore in > the code somewhere it points to GCC and will need to > either install GCC ( which has some issues involved) > or pointing the install script to the TCC compiler. > > Make sense ? > > Mark > > Yeah, makes sense now.....it didn't without the knowledge of the O.S. in the first post. This is probably a poor to bad suggestion.... but have you just tried making a symlink from gcc to tcc?? Chances are it won't work due to some incompatibility between compilers or gcc version check, but it's worth a shot to see what happens. Do you have another system you can compile it on?? Just some thoughts... Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 4 15:48:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04KmGCI003452 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:48:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j04KmGOR003451 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:48:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j04KmFCI003447 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:48:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j04KmCid006980 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:48:12 -0500 Received: from web52602.mail.yahoo.com (web52602.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.140]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j04KlvwL029946 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:47:57 -0500 Received: (qmail 86533 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2005 20:47:57 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=XZeOevBuLozG4FsrIW9RcmvTxlQlZeKqcdadQjhdgNfg5Yg4Uh51v+bVAbnpPc3frWOgL9/CwNNTmN79YtS9H5gB1Bk4h/FV1cn7fX1L+hCxd2gSzZaahGi+RnkWU9kn+TGfXvDk3DrNg11W0gvKKMh/RpF1gVn1FBu93p67bpI= ; Message-ID: <20050104204757.86531.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.142] by web52602.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:47:56 PST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:47:56 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Music Notation Software. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1104869250.25686.43.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.366, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, FU_PROMO 0.44, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I will give it a shot and see what happens.. The thing that will cause problems I believe may be in the libraries.. the header files for TCC are radically different than GCC. for a good number of the basic functions everything gets piled into one header file.. tcc.h.. The price you pay for working in tiny spaces.. If you ahve not given this distro a whirl and have an older machine I think you would be pleasantly surprised. I have this on my laptop and I love it there. I will let you know as things progress. As it stands I have parts to write from my score for a monday night rehearsal. THank you for your help and suggestions ! Mark --- Mike Branda wrote: > On Tue, 2005-01-04 at 12:34, Mark Banschbach wrote: > > Hi MIke.. > > > > Part of the issue is that I run a version of > Knoppix > > called Damn Small Linux ( DSL- for short). The > issue > > that DSL has is that it does not have GCC on it at > > all. It uses a different compiler TCC - Tiny > > C-Compiler. > > > > In Keeping with trying to make this distro tiny > and > > efficient they used tcc as their choice.. > therefore in > > the code somewhere it points to GCC and will need > to > > either install GCC ( which has some issues > involved) > > or pointing the install script to the TCC > compiler. > > > > Make sense ? > > > > Mark > > > > > > Yeah, makes sense now.....it didn't without the > knowledge of the O.S. in > the first post. This is probably a poor to bad > suggestion.... but have > you just tried making a symlink from gcc to tcc?? > Chances are it won't > work due to some incompatibility between compilers > or gcc version check, > but it's worth a shot to see what happens. Do you > have another system > you can compile it on?? > > Just some thoughts... > > > > Mike Branda Jr. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 00:34:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j055Y6CI007116 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:34:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j055Y6qu007115 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:34:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j055Y5CI007111 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:34:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j055Y4id030366 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:34:04 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j055Xof6028063 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:33:53 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (197-115.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.115.197]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j055Xl1b026070; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:33:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41DB7C36.9090205@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 05:33:42 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Music Notation Software. References: <20050104173434.41390.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050104173434.41390.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.994, required 6, AWL 0.26, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > In Keeping with trying to make this distro tiny and > efficient they used tcc as their choice.. therefore in > the code somewhere it points to GCC and will need to > either install GCC ( which has some issues involved) > or pointing the install script to the TCC compiler. gcc here is 81,200, how big is tcc? -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 01:16:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j056GCCI007401 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:16:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j056GCw3007400 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:16:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j056GBCI007396 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:16:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j056GAif032464 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:16:10 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j056Fnf6004943 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:15:49 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so533799rne for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:15:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CzVnOUcTuTsxZoLyjQ+T2Iyih/0nm+F8cDSYRt/ogbi5vQYKwJzIqUy8edmEVJknLeynQu1e0TT1fZlyCBUuiYjmcErqCLtFndmYWRdn6AtMy1HmBx/RgGVykfmEw4TZsO0BBW2ZczW157rowNNv0EqxxQfnwtCLmjzA9tMVdNo= Received: by 10.38.102.78 with SMTP id z78mr179630rnb; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:15:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:15:48 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs In-Reply-To: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.159, required 6, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:47:30 -0500, Robert Snyder wrote: > Well what started out as a way of me ranting with out driving all the > other Social Sluggers from going nuts. I started a blog. > http://www.xboxnps2.com Then Eric decided to put one up and then the > always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. I think that > everyone should post there blog and so we can all link to one an > another. Just make a big webring. I find the other sluggers blogs to > be entertaining and sometimes just plan funny. I have a... a live journal, but I only post to it in my weaker moments when drownding silly human emotions in perl code doesn't work. ;) I have a non-blog personal website: http://dylan.hardison.net/ (also http://helephant.com/dylan, and a few other mirrors), which has many broken links and some rather useless scripts / programs. I'm hoping to update it in the next few days. I mainly don't use a CMS / blog software because I really, really like my text editor. control-p inserts

and puts the cursor in the middle, for example. control-/ closes the currently open HTML tag. All the pages use templates for common menus / titles / footers, so I just type "make build; make upload" when I update something. Everything is static xhtml. - "And up then spak this Laland lass, and wa but she spak wondrous sorry, 'My mither wad hey a gey sair hairt tae see me here wi a Hieland laddie!'" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 01:35:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j056ZPCI007569 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j056ZPkf007568 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j056ZOCI007564 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j056ZKib000982 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:24 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j056YxwL007105 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:00 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j056Yt55021807 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:34:55 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j056Y0F7021630; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 06:34:00 GMT Message-Id: <200501050634.j056Y0F7021630@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 06:34:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:33:00 -0500 References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1104906840-5871357.65269283 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:15 am, Dylan Hardison wrote: > I mainly don't use a CMS / blog software because I really, really like > my text editor. I used a text editor to create my blog for about a week. I even used the text editor to make atom .3 news feeds. But modifying the time stamps got old and difficult. So I switched to drupal, which will let me paste in my html tags and even external references to images. Also, I know some cms's like drupal have remote update script code available (blog APIs), so you could still use your text editor to do everything. Just a thought, because I've been running into the same problems. -- Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 01:35:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j056ZhCI007576 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j056Zh2C007575 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j056ZgCI007571 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j056Zgib001002 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:42 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j056ZPf6008505 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:26 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so671416rne for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:35:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=nq/wo1S0ZBEB+idtACNMthbUDCjX4A+zWTIiiGap7PNxm3kF2x7qTJdmz9vYRK/I83CDdY8pyd3vtFAm9DrIY5NTks7OdjCXmBAE0q6OhkveLAyU09UGg0hDh+g8merMwJCBMvmx9XvjX0lIKqDVBXH6wH7MgZeXVO94d0mEINk= Received: by 10.38.76.80 with SMTP id y80mr172392rna; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 22:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:35:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:35:19 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs In-Reply-To: <41D8ACC1.30607@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> <41D8ACC1.30607@roblimo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.481, required 6, AWL 0.42, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:24:01 -0500, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > >I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. > > > > > > Neither are humans, but animal control refuses to pick up any of the > badly-behaved ones I call in... You should see what the reaction is to trying to set traps for them. Sheesh, you've never seen so many lawsuits... -- "Error: Success" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 02:10:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j057ATCI007832 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:10:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j057ATE0007831 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:10:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j057ASCI007827 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:10:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j057ARih002610 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:10:28 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j057A8f6015947 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:10:09 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so273728rng for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:10:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hV9VLq6e1aPGcDmlWpqfBEayOZCfBguGpA1OkPlTIFNLO5s6utn6q0AK4vvahGlOeLAXPzvv9kxfwgXR1huH7pDp+wEiwa2hrTeCJpbxLE/yO2I+UzotGngjajA1UljaRjdPBLQ1MgdQrIHw6e2DOKRCiP5Ay2AucKEobYTaR34= Received: by 10.38.68.14 with SMTP id q14mr161646rna; Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:10:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:10:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 02:10:00 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs In-Reply-To: <200501050634.j056Y0F7021630@rs16.luxsci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <200501050634.j056Y0F7021630@rs16.luxsci.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.504, required 6, AWL 0.40, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 01:33:00 -0500, Eric Jahn wrote: > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 01:15 am, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > I mainly don't use a CMS / blog software because I really, really like > > my text editor. > > I used a text editor to create my blog for about a week. I even used the text > editor to make atom .3 news feeds. But modifying the time stamps got old and > difficult. So I switched to drupal, which will let me paste in my html tags > and even external references to images. Also, I know some cms's like drupal > have remote update script code available (blog APIs), so you could still use > your text editor to do everything. Just a thought, because I've been running > into the same problems. Well, I also like using the file system. And my text editor updates timestamps based filetype-specific regexp, which nicely matches a variable at the top of every file: [% META date = "2004-12-25" %] autodate.vim is super cool. :) http://vim.sourceforge.net/scripts/script.php?script_id=291 Plus when I fail to the "date" variable, it uses the mtime of the file. Everything is version controled with subversion, so if I want to revert a change, it's trivial. I think I *am* using a CMS, I'm just using unix as my CMS, just like I use unix as my integrated development environment. -- "Oh, you cannae shove yer granny off a bus, Oh, you cannae shove yer granny off a bus, you cannae shove your granny, 'cause she's yer mammy's mammy." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 07:43:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05ChZCI010412 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:43:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05ChZWJ010411 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:43:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05ChYCI010407 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:43:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05ChUib019188 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:43:34 -0500 Received: from web52603.mail.yahoo.com (web52603.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.141]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j05ChJIB005447 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 07:43:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 91107 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2005 12:43:19 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=wyoMq9Cfgy4Yg6IK4C+UMd6Or3IROybu4AP89282Czk8pLdZipStMXMstg0+M33YzDwhoYaSI7Q2baF/HfffHXQ9QZdltZLer2CCEaVnAaR75ggZ0e4vGd/U3rXXI3V3wZ+TLPyfs3wUblJSGc8pLaJyA9MfGOMy3/CiAEpKiSw= ; Message-ID: <20050105124319.91105.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [32.97.110.142] by web52603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 04:43:18 PST Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 04:43:18 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] Music Notation Software. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41DB7C36.9090205@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.706, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, FU_FREE 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ron, The TCC Compiler is about 100k. Here is the Link for the page with some facts on it for you : http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/tcc/ Hope that helps.. Happy New Year to you All.. Mark --- Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > gcc here is 81,200, how big is tcc? > -- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 09:19:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05EJmCI011053 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:19:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05EJmf9011052 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:19:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05EJmCI011048 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:19:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05EJkib023985 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:19:47 -0500 Received: from ctrust.com (mail.ctrust.com [207.59.126.35]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05EJfXa003532 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:19:42 -0500 Received: from Spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO00EDB7; 5 Jan 2005 09:15:01 -0500 Received: from spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 5 Jan 2005 09:14:49 -0500 Received: from ctrust.com (192.168.100.50) by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) with ESMTP ID MG00EDB6; 5 Jan 2005 09:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <41DBF696.3050607@ctrust.com> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:15:50 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> <41D8ACC1.30607@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Text-Classification: not_spam X-POPFile-Link: http://m32:8080/jump_to_message?view=14276 X-Recipient: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.032, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, SARE_HEAD_SPAM 2.22) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan Hardison wrote: >On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:24:01 -0500, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller > wrote: > > >>>I wasn't aware that iguanas are native to Florida. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Neither are humans, but animal control refuses to pick up any of the >>badly-behaved ones I call in... >> >> > >You should see what the reaction is to trying to set traps for them. >Sheesh, you've never seen so many lawsuits... > > > the traps aren't the problem... its the bait. if you put a joint on there, you might be profiling hippies. If you put beer on there, you could be profiling either teenagers, or drunks.... or if its guinness... the Logan... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 09:55:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05EtVCI011321 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:55:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05EtVTw011320 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:55:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05EtVCI011316 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:55:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05EtTih025741 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:55:30 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05Et7f6002440 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:55:08 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j05Et6rB021169 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 08:55:06 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j05Es1MJ020502; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:54:01 GMT Message-Id: <200501051454.j05Es1MJ020502@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:54:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 09:53:35 -0500 References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <41DBF696.3050607@ctrust.com> In-Reply-To: <41DBF696.3050607@ctrust.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1104936841-7397717.88377973 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.148, required 6, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:15 am, Craig Zeigler wrote: > the traps aren't the problem... its the bait. if you put a joint on > there, you might be profiling hippies. If you put beer on there, you > could be profiling either teenagers, or drunks.... or if its guinness... > the Logan... Or if it's an Opteron, they'll catch us! (but I'll take the guinness and joint also) -Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 10:01:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05F1MCI011378 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:01:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05F1MEr011377 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:01:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05F1KCI011373 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:01:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05F1Jid026008 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:01:20 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05F15dg017548 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:01:06 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j05F131c007393 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:01:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:00:16 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Music Notation Software. In-Reply-To: <41DB7C36.9090205@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: > In Keeping with trying to make this distro tiny and > > efficient they used tcc as their choice.. therefore in > > the code somewhere it points to GCC and will need to > > either install GCC ( which has some issues involved) > > or pointing the install script to the TCC compiler. > > gcc here is 81,200, how big is tcc? But the true measure is gcc PLUS all of its support libraries: [eben@pc eben]$ for package in `rpm -qa | grep gcc` ; do rpm -ql $package; done | xargs du -hc 2> /dev/null | tail -1 40M total And just for kicks: [eben@pc eben]$ rpm -qa | grep gcc libgcc-3.2-7 gcc-3.2-7 gcc-c++-3.2-7 If you decided not to have C++ support: [eben@pc eben]$ for package in `rpm -qa | grep gcc | grep -v ++` ; do rpm -ql $package; done | xargs du -hc 2> /dev/null | tail -1 34M total -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 14:55:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05JtXCI013355 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:55:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05JtXB0013354 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:55:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05JtWCI013350 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:55:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05JtOil008049 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:55:32 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05JtFf6012285 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:55:15 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j05JtAPJ022945 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:55:10 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j05Js2GO022345; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:54:02 GMT Message-Id: <200501051954.j05Js2GO022345@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:54:02 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Presentations for Sarasota Tues. January 18 Mtg Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 14:53:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1104954842-7022458.63085634 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.15, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net We're going to have a projector, screen, and internet connectivity, so does anyone have anything they'd like to present? Maybe someone or a few people could cover syndication formats, drupal, blog::cms, mambo and other packages people they have been playing with and their experiences getting them to work and showing their sites? I could quickly cover parsing XML with python (the Attention-Deficit version; 5 minutes max). Please respond to the list if you have anything you want to present. -Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 15:29:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05KTICI013594 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:29:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05KTI3l013593 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:29:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05KTCCI013589 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:29:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05KSvib009657 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:29:11 -0500 Received: from admin.virtupresence.com (virtupresence.com [216.194.68.129] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05KSewL020824 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:28:40 -0500 Received: from [65.34.240.137] (c-65-34-240-137.se.client2.attbi.com [65.34.240.137]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by admin.virtupresence.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j05KSGs26346 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:28:16 -0500 Message-ID: <41DC4BF7.5080804@gnorb.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:20:07 -0500 From: Norbert Omar Cartagena User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.055, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan Hardison wrote: >On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 22:47:30 -0500, Robert Snyder wrote: > > >>Well what started out as a way of me ranting with out driving all the >>other Social Sluggers from going nuts. I started a blog. >>http://www.xboxnps2.com Then Eric decided to put one up and then the >>always popular Logan Tygart decided to update his. I think that >>everyone should post there blog and so we can all link to one an >>another. Just make a big webring. I find the other sluggers blogs to >>be entertaining and sometimes just plan funny. >> >> > >I have a... a live journal, but I only post to it in my weaker moments >when drownding silly human emotions in perl code doesn't work. ;) > >I have a non-blog personal website: http://dylan.hardison.net/ (also >http://helephant.com/dylan, and a few other mirrors), >which has many broken links and some rather useless scripts / programs. >I'm hoping to update it in the next few days. > Maybe I walked in on the wrong part of the conversation here (as in, I just re-joined the list a few days ago), but drawing from this, I'll post this anyway. I'm currently running a blog full time at http://www.gnorb.net. Running it on the latest version of bBlog. Yeah, I know -- not hard coding it. But I'm using it as a test site to learn PHP and Smarty. Both much simpler than I had previously though, now that I have the time to dedicate to them. the site's not totally done yet (ie. unlike rob, I don't yet have every version of RSS presented on the site), but it's getting there. I gotta hack up phpBB too, which is what I'm using for my forum software. (I was running everything on Mambo before, but it was too much firepower for what I wanted to do. Nice backend, though.) On that note, I'd like to ask: what's the difference between the RSSes? Why would I want to represent all of them? Why not just the newest or a moderately older one? Read this, but wanted your perspective on this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,1171185,00.html Gnorb ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 16:35:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05LZQCI014069 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:35:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05LZPkZ014068 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:35:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05LZPCI014064 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:35:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05LZOib012660 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:35:24 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05LZDdg010969 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:35:13 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j05LZCPs019576 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:35:12 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j05LY0HQ018732; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:34:00 GMT Message-Id: <200501052134.j05LY0HQ018732@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:34:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:32:20 -0500 References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <41DC4BF7.5080804@gnorb.net> In-Reply-To: <41DC4BF7.5080804@gnorb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1104960840-5708635.3426156 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 05 January 2005 03:20 pm, Norbert Omar Cartagena wrote: > On that note, I'd like to ask: what's the difference between the RSSes? > Why would I want to represent all of them? Why not just the newest or a > moderately older one? my .02: Dave winer of RSS is the biggest whiner ever. Atom isn't finished yet (even those it has plenty of functionality already), but when it is, it should be adopted as a W3C standard and be done with it. Atom can do a lot more than RSS and has a better structure that is more extensible and there is no need to merge it with RSS. This would result in less whining and the avoidance of using Winer's stupid proposed acronym "rssAtom" (notice he didn't call it AtomRss?). -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 17:12:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05MC9CI014311 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:12:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j05MC9Ys014310 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:12:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j05MC7CI014306 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:12:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05MC6ib014358 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:12:07 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j05MBkj1027586 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:11:46 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so1656125wra for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:11:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index:message-id; b=ha4JN8xfTNafO1monAvPib9wC8de0tFyj4tUsq4h5WiVcjS30uLcImdGEv4u3LM7YtBxuIfyrH+e5+/jhk0tHZKt1/bNh2gB9o4rpmsnF2hfoa7FplghCz6QLwz24vNPWFV+oImtBjd68UvBy0NKYnAgg3kqPxq0ETl/igqIYq4= Received: by 10.54.51.9 with SMTP id y9mr753837wry; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id d8sm29112wra.2005.01.05.14.11.45; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:11:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Presentations for Sarasota Tues. January 18 Mtg Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:11:45 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200501051954.j05Js2GO022345@rs16.luxsci.com> Thread-Index: AcTzYWEevqWiAojBQYCd8fBAnjdSFAAEgyLQ Message-ID: <41dc6621.13c9f09e.2e85.02b9@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.801, required 6, AWL -0.60, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Interesting you should mention Mambo; I'm running it on two sites at the moment. However, Sarasota is a bit far to be riding on a scooter on a Tuesday night. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric Jahn > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:54 PM > To: SLUG > Subject: [SLUG] Presentations for Sarasota Tues. January 18 Mtg > > We're going to have a projector, screen, and internet connectivity, so > does > anyone have anything they'd like to present? Maybe someone or a few > people > could cover syndication formats, drupal, blog::cms, mambo and other > packages > people they have been playing with and their experiences getting them to > work > and showing their sites? I could quickly cover parsing XML with python > (the > Attention-Deficit version; 5 minutes max). Please respond to the list if > you > have anything you want to present. -Eric J > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:14:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <200501051454.j05Es1MJ020502@rs16.luxsci.com> Thread-Index: AcTzN1eAWFg550VTQSSIh0usCjD2+QAPHHFg Message-ID: <41dc66a8.2ddc2e9c.3e0a.10fb@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.625, required 6, AWL -0.42, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If it's a fully-decked out Mac G5 (approx. retail cost $15,000) I'm a goner. :-) Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric Jahn > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:54 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs > > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 09:15 am, Craig Zeigler wrote: > > the traps aren't the problem... its the bait. if you put a joint on > > there, you might be profiling hippies. If you put beer on there, you > > could be profiling either teenagers, or drunks.... or if its guinness... > > the Logan... > > Or if it's an Opteron, they'll catch us! (but I'll take the guinness and > joint also) > -Eric > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 19:43:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j060hYCI015371 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:43:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j060hYPs015370 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:43:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j060hXCI015366 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:43:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j060hXib021878 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:43:33 -0500 Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j060hJ4Y013515 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:43:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 29120 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jan 2005 00:48:47 -0000 Received: from user-24-96-10-237.knology.net (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (24.96.10.237) by smtp8.knology.net with SMTP; 6 Jan 2005 00:48:47 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: Slugger's Blogs From: John Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41DC4BF7.5080804@gnorb.net> References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <41DC4BF7.5080804@gnorb.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1104972282.8059.90.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:44:43 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net And now my two cents... On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 15:20, Norbert Omar Cartagena wrote: I'm currently running a blog full time at > http://www.gnorb.net. Running it on the latest version of bBlog. Yeah, I > know -- not hard coding it. But I'm using it as a test site to learn PHP > and Smarty. Both much simpler than I had previously though, now that I > have the time to dedicate to them. the site's not totally done yet (ie. > unlike rob, I don't yet have every version of RSS presented on the > site), but it's getting there. I gotta hack up phpBB too, which is what > I'm using for my forum software. I use phpBB on a website too, as seen here: http://www.familytables.net/forum/ but I also use a phpBB plugin for the blog: "phpBB Blog" http://www.outshine.com/phpbbblog/ The author's demo can be seen here: http://www.outshine.com/phpbbblog/demo/ My plugin blog can be seen here: http://www.familytables.net/blog/ [If I got anything wrong on my last blog, everyone will tell me, right?] It works well for me ;) John webmaster@familytables.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 5 23:07:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0647vCI016905 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:07:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0647vno016904 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:07:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0647uCI016900 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:07:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0647tib032367 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:07:56 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0647j4Y028241 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:07:45 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so70943rng for ; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:07:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=rrgrd0jOABG2rJxs3IyffZwy8cifo7mEdPXNsM4I8TPZiGbz78XCoga6xLYhIY/Un5MS0ocD6RflOl/s+KI/TKT8aIOahHBpyM0gRGUbbQhwGH8M20rx0wZmSyc1J6KZy7EozW8JgWlnj3lQKxIx9mAMbUcWSisLDNTx5QpoLUI= Received: by 10.38.165.51 with SMTP id n51mr181863rne; Wed, 05 Jan 2005 20:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 20:07:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:07:44 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Presentations for Sarasota Tues. January 18 Mtg In-Reply-To: <41dc6621.13c9f09e.2e85.02b9@smtp.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501051954.j05Js2GO022345@rs16.luxsci.com> <41dc6621.13c9f09e.2e85.02b9@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.799, required 6, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:11:45 -0500, Steven Buehler wrote: > Interesting you should mention Mambo; Wow, there is software called Mambo? Add that to samba, and it seems like naming stuff after dances is becoming populare. I wonder if there is a "jig" or "reel" or "waltz" program / system yet... -- "Oh are children are leaving and we have no heads; we drink and we sing and we drink we die. ... We drink and we die and continue to drink." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 08:48:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06DmKCI020974 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:48:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06DmK1M020973 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:48:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06DmKCI020969 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:48:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06DmJib032175 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:48:19 -0500 Received: from vincent (bish.net [209.241.232.100]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06Dm8Zw028381 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:48:08 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by vincent with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CmXzR-0003F0-Vw for slug@nks.net; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:47:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:47:49 -0500 (EST) From: mark@bish.net X-X-Sender: mark@vincent To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT big time. Was: OT: Slugger's Blogs In-Reply-To: <41DBF696.3050607@ctrust.com> Message-ID: References: <41D76ED2.9030006@gte.net> <1104705674.4939.8.camel@sirus> <41D8ACC1.30607@roblimo.com> <41DBF696.3050607@ctrust.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.74, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Craig Zeigler wrote: > the traps aren't the problem... its the bait. if you put a joint on there, > you might be profiling hippies. If you put beer on there, you could be > profiling either teenagers, or drunks.... or if its guinness... the Logan... BTW, this coffeee shop have Guinness? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 08:57:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06DvpCI021061 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:57:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06DvpsX021060 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:57:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06DvpCI021056 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:57:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06Dvlib032677 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:57:47 -0500 Received: from ctrust.com (mail.ctrust.com [207.59.126.35]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06DvYAh014738 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:57:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:57:34 -0500 From: craig@ctrust.com Message-Id: <200501061357.j06DvYAh014738@nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net> Received: from Spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO00F38D; 6 Jan 2005 08:52:53 -0500 To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.266, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, L_T_COMBINED 0.77, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, NKS_20040628_1 2.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 13:10:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06IAwCI022798 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06IAwsA022797 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06IAvCI022793 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06IAuib012765 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:57 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06IAc4Y024297 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:38 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so69948rna for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:10:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=AePWkCr+r9vLWV6aPGIvdU1NdzbnG6J0c13SJhy6PzXLKyAKsNaKFGrC6NDhR915CO8Xgf7EuZBx2YNqqWpMAU0uGy9Xc5uePQBrlpG/m/RA7owSv4Vp/0UE6QvfyDKkCGNnm51Pa9iLqqMnagkx1JW177Z8RNLsgOuPB54/6cA= Received: by 10.38.207.65 with SMTP id e65mr142541rng; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.72.43 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:10:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:10:37 -0500 From: Matt Miller To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] CSV & RRD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone know of a tool to import csv files into RRD graphs? 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 13:47:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06Il5CI023045 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:47:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06Il5K4023044 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:47:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06Il4CI023040 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:47:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06Il0ib014639 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:47:04 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06IkhQd029000 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:46:43 -0500 Received: from billspc (95-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.95]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j06IkelP001589 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:46:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501061846.j06IkelP001589@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: [SLUG] embedded linux Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:46:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C4F3F6.27EB6860" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcT0IBBiidzQWp0OQAqN/XDGge6kLw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.7, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, HTML_50_60 0.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C4F3F6.27EB6860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am investigating some hardware for a friend who wants a kiosk for his business. We purchased a computer that has no drive, just a compact flash slot. There's no way to attach a floppy or cd drive, but I can write to the CF card from another computer. Never having done anything with embedded Linux, I have only a cursory understanding of what the steps are to build this system. I'm sure I can work my way through this ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C4F3F6.27EB6860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am investigating some hardware for a friend who = wants a kiosk for his business. We purchased a computer that has no drive, just = a compact flash slot. There’s no way to attach a floppy or cd drive, = but I can write to the CF card from another = computer.

 

Never having done anything with embedded Linux, I = have only a cursory understanding of what the steps are to build this system. = I’m sure I can work my way through this

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I am investigating some hardware for a friend who = wants a kiosk for his business. We purchased a computer that has no drive, just = a compact flash slot. There’s no way to attach a floppy or cd drive, = but I can write to the CF card from another = computer.

 

Never having done anything with embedded Linux, I = have only a cursory understanding of what the steps are to build this system. = I’m sure I can work my way through this eventually, but if anyone has any experience in this and wouldn’t mind answering a question or two = as they arise, I’d be grateful. My friend’s business is a = restaurant, so a free dinner can be arranged J

 

Thanks.

 

 

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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 14:38:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06JcECI023423 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:38:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06JcEga023422 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:38:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06JcDCI023418 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:38:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06JcCib017298 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:38:13 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.200]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06JbvZw019467 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:37:57 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so132244wri for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:37:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gV/85HDgeMOU4bg03XXa7b/8iTOpfOuTUQRUGQQuCqHQvY5yAzTfUMAo2AGdgK6IaaIXrWK1ZO3bM0zzG9lhzkSfbztcadNCY707Yk7gVjCy/6J4iIS5kLZUPevF8TNtlLzPpkoUCtjVuYGvkl42FL8wCFFIsdQbhV6IKPLQ2Pc= Received: by 10.54.39.17 with SMTP id m17mr204634wrm; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:37:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a050106113761258866@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 14:37:57 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try In-Reply-To: <200501061848.j06Im3lP002525@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501061848.j06Im3lP002525@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Could you possibly describe the system's purpose and its hardware in more detail? There are a number of solutions that could work. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 15:04:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06K4eCI023623 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06K4exU023622 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06K4dCI023618 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06K4Xib018722 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:39 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06K4U4Y032698 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:30 -0500 Received: from billspc (95-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.95]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j06K4SYu013688 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <7f48492a050106113761258866@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcT0KScY5a6jPchvTIOK0TBKEZj5HAAAQX/w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.783, required 6, AWL 0.12, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Christopher > Hotchkiss > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:38 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try > > Could you possibly describe the system's purpose and its hardware in > more detail? There are a number of solutions that could work. The system is a Pentium-based machine, 733mhz. It has an integrated touch screen. 128mb RAM. I purchased a 512MB CF card to put in it. When the card is in there, the bios recognizes the CF card as an IDE disk drive. The main task that I see is that I have to build the Linux for this machine on a different machine. I don't have any other way to boot the kiosk machine besides the CF card. So I have to make the CF bootable, and install the Linux distro from my machine, then move the CF card to the kiosk machine and boot up. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 16:44:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06Li2CI024277 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:44:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06Li2bM024276 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:44:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06Li1CI024271 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:44:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06Li0ib023558 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:44:01 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06Lhg5F015597 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:43:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DA2FF9E5 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 13:43:50 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:46:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501061646.28072.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.634, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just curious, what manufacturer makes this machine? Also, if the machine's purpose is only as a network terminal with limited I/O (like Ethernet and IDE drivers), I'd cut up the kernel from any distro--like ditch USB, Firewire, HAM radio. It'll run faster, be more stable, and more secure. In fact, since I'm pretty sure it's going to be on a network (restaurant), I'd just run a netboot from the secure and locked office machine. That way, no wait/er/resses will pull the CF out and use it as an after-dinner mint. Not to say that those "servers" are stupid, but a CF might be kind of tasty for a patron or two! Especially those 512meggers might be a tad too filling! /mario On Thursday 06 January 2005 15:04, Bill Glidden wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Christopher > > Hotchkiss > > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:38 PM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try > > > > Could you possibly describe the system's purpose and its hardware in > > more detail? There are a number of solutions that could work. > > The system is a Pentium-based machine, 733mhz. It has an integrated touch > screen. 128mb RAM. I purchased a 512MB CF card to put in it. When the card > is in there, the bios recognizes the CF card as an IDE disk drive. > > The main task that I see is that I have to build the Linux for this > machine on a different machine. I don't have any other way to boot the > kiosk machine besides the CF card. So I have to make the CF bootable, and > install the Linux distro from my machine, then move the CF card to the > kiosk machine and boot up. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 17:52:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06MqACI024747 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:52:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j06MqAci024746 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:52:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j06Mq9CI024742 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:52:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06Mq8ib027022 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:52:09 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j06MpqAh019548 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:51:53 -0500 Received: from billspc (95-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.95]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j06Mpo5S029817 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:51:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501062251.j06Mpo5S029817@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:51:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200501061646.28072.mario@alienscience.com> Thread-Index: AcT0OwGUQRxezY+4Tfu/n5MEfxP0gQAAgBIA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Mario Lombardo > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 4:46 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try > > Just curious, what manufacturer makes this machine? > > Also, if the machine's purpose is only as a network terminal with limited > I/O > (like Ethernet and IDE drivers), I'd cut up the kernel from any distro-- > like > ditch USB, Firewire, HAM radio. It'll run faster, be more stable, and > more > secure. In fact, since I'm pretty sure it's going to be on a network > (restaurant), I'd just run a netboot from the secure and locked office > machine. That way, no wait/er/resses will pull the CF out and > use it as an after-dinner mint. Not to say that those "servers" are > stupid, > but a CF might be kind of tasty for a patron or two! Especially those > 512meggers might be a tad too filling! It's made by a company called Flytech. In regards to the dinner-mint theory, you have to take off the cover with a screwdriver to get to the thing. > > /mario > > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 15:04, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Christopher > > > Hotchkiss > > > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:38 PM > > > To: slug@nks.net > > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try > > > > > > Could you possibly describe the system's purpose and its hardware in > > > more detail? There are a number of solutions that could work. > > > > The system is a Pentium-based machine, 733mhz. It has an integrated > touch > > screen. 128mb RAM. I purchased a 512MB CF card to put in it. When the > card > > is in there, the bios recognizes the CF card as an IDE disk drive. > > > > The main task that I see is that I have to build the Linux for this > > machine on a different machine. I don't have any other way to boot the > > kiosk machine besides the CF card. So I have to make the CF bootable, > and > > install the Linux distro from my machine, then move the CF card to the > > kiosk machine and boot up. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 19:34:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j070YMCI025464 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:34:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j070YMWl025463 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:34:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j070YLCI025459 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:34:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j070YLib031693 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:34:21 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j070YD5F027510 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:34:13 -0500 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (242858hfc62.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j070YBwp021443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:34:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-3-49310346" Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Kiolbasa Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:34:05 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0 (v30, 10.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.507, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR8_MESSID 0.69, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --Apple-Mail-3-49310346 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jan 6, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Bill Glidden wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Christopher >> Hotchkiss >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:38 PM >> To: slug@nks.net >> Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try >> >> Could you possibly describe the system's purpose and its hardware in >> more detail? There are a number of solutions that could work. > > The system is a Pentium-based machine, 733mhz. It has an integrated > touch > screen. 128mb RAM. I purchased a 512MB CF card to put in it. When the > card > is in there, the bios recognizes the CF card as an IDE disk drive. > > The main task that I see is that I have to build the Linux for this > machine > on a different machine. I don't have any other way to boot the kiosk > machine > besides the CF card. So I have to make the CF bootable, and install the > Linux distro from my machine, then move the CF card to the kiosk > machine and > boot up. If you are up to it, maybe give Linux From Scratch a try. Last time I went through it, the process is to install to a fresh partition from a host Linux system. The result is very lean and you get a chance to tweak as you go along. One thing you may consider is tweaking to limit anything that might write to disk often, like logging or /tmp and /var setup. Flash memory is usually rated for so many writes per cell. www.linuxfromscratch.org -- John Kiolbasa john@kiolbasa.net --Apple-Mail-3-49310346 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFB3dkCq4CihukxkjgRAjwCAJ9/znu/fshCPsRlP398tc9Lvtp6bQCgs4DU l8SUKrkfn/is7NEtLxmdFBg= =2gPI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-3-49310346-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 20:31:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j071VuCI025870 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j071VuY3025869 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j071VtCI025865 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j071Vsib002229 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:55 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j071Vg5F031883 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:31:42 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so160498wra for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:31:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=MRCaaPvFSBKGHmNGCdXi1gr6hhHUc5p0gzY3rbw8o26lO2m+EMqf9ciBYluV8aCfmoPJMVNIVuPNzWyTgWRserosal5b8ytXGKlcoZAdE5s0ouXSqQmECLJDJarXArKwKZef55V7ub6FCPYIoleTUelAwwThsd/EQhZ8Bqskhxc= Received: by 10.54.56.58 with SMTP id e58mr88790wra; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 17:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 17:25:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a05010617252d6a479c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:25:01 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you are using a Pentium based machine it really isn't an embedded machine as far as the kernel is concerned. Personally I would use Gentoo to do your build environment. It will act as a LFS system but will be a lot easier to maintain. Really in order to build to build the system just treat it as one with very little capabilities. Heck if you were gutsy enough you could install a normal linux distro. Your biggest problem is the limited disk space requirements, which gentoo can handle easily. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Something I forgot to put on my X-mas list... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.678, required 6, AWL 0.88, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ARCHOS adds Wireless access and expand Linux support with Pocket Media Assistant PMA400 http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=3900 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] ...working on putting Linux on Nintendo DS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.854, required 6, AWL -1.30, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://dslinux.cssourcefiles.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 22:27:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j073RUCI026715 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:27:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j073RUtx026714 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:27:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j073RTCI026710 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:27:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j073RSib008364 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:27:29 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j073QsAh007223 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:26:54 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so182932wri for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:26:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=SokuSDoGDLZHdWnlJvOH3/mmk318fr9LletId4EAqFcq0wQ7iujxGpzxUl/yeyU3eBqyiWbr/IqUjI6HkCiyuFRcCnM9MgMz8iLHqHfNfFAVEqta8BsVb814BCc/gqFOhB2XE7SBkpmPZmbUtscP5KX+jIHQ6dC+oZQ63A1f1Vg= Received: by 10.54.2.55 with SMTP id 55mr129248wrb; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.8.19 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:26:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22e1856d05010619267241e9f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:26:54 -0500 From: Tyler Vann-Campbell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try In-Reply-To: <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7f48492a050106113761258866@mail.gmail.com> <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 15:04:29 -0500, Bill Glidden wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Christopher > > Hotchkiss > > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:38 PM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try > > > > Could you possibly describe the system's purpose and its hardware in > > more detail? There are a number of solutions that could work. > > The system is a Pentium-based machine, 733mhz. It has an integrated touch > screen. 128mb RAM. I purchased a 512MB CF card to put in it. When the card > is in there, the bios recognizes the CF card as an IDE disk drive. > > The main task that I see is that I have to build the Linux for this machine > on a different machine. I don't have any other way to boot the kiosk machine > besides the CF card. So I have to make the CF bootable, and install the > Linux distro from my machine, then move the CF card to the kiosk machine and > boot up. > > Since it's a pentium, you don't really have to worry about cross-compiling necessarily. I've done something similar to this, the main problem with building the system in compact flash on another machine and transferring to the embedded system is that sometimes the bios will translate the CF geometry differently from one system to the next, which frustrates grub. Gentoo is a really good choice, as it works almost like LFS, though the portage snapshot can take up some space if you're really cramped. You can use an initrd to save space and mount read-only CF partitions if you need to limit writes as well. What I've done in the past is to use dd to make a file full of zeros, build a filesystem on top of that, mount the file as a loopback device, copy a stage one tarball as if it were a new partition, mount and chroot into the file, build gentoo normally with really limited requirements, strip the stuff you don't need, and copy the rest to CF once it fits the bill. It limits writing to flash memory and gives you some elbow room while you're building. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 6 22:45:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j073jiCI026850 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:45:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j073jiaA026849 for slug-track29; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:45:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j073jiCI026845 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:45:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j073jhid009185 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:45:44 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j073jGQd032138 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:45:16 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so1344wri for ; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:45:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Dyk8N9/c4+pcB/dqea2EHS2/e7TyyWPC63Bhv3szEVqVRykVBMoi5PTjWCJTP6U/Jou7zmE1fAEPlhWJTGgyjPxfsFVniU/Fzzaq7dFnLJ+Xl8vPsuow/8XE1VTUqTBkG6zHjbSSyLvCgRognYZgals79a356AECfugwJTxi2tk= Received: by 10.54.56.73 with SMTP id e73mr95338wra; Thu, 06 Jan 2005 19:45:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:45:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a05010619453867bab1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 22:45:16 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try In-Reply-To: <22e1856d05010619267241e9f3@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7f48492a050106113761258866@mail.gmail.com> <200501062004.j06K4SYu013688@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <22e1856d05010619267241e9f3@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well the trick in using a gentoo build system is the following: 1. Build for minimal size possible. This means being VERY conservative on the USE flags and telling gcc to use "-Os". 2. Have your man system build these as binary packages, and then install the binaries to the compact flash. Make sure not to copy portage or any of the build chain, they are not needed. 3. Write an script to do step two automatically. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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Lottery Coordinator. --7e24d305-94f0-4231-bf32-361e857bf871-- From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 7 11:11:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j07GBECI032182 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:11:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j07GBE0h032181 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:11:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j07GBDCI032177 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:11:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j07GBAih018822 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:11:13 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j07GABMi028137 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:10:11 -0500 Received: from billspc (95-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.95]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j07GA8Ni016711 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:10:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501071610.j07GA8Ni016711@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] embedded linux - success! Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:10:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015A_01C4F4A9.727ECEE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200501061848.j06Im3lP002525@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Thread-Index: AcT0IEHpr7wK/0aiTQyIwHW5kaxV7gAsskvw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.6, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, HTML_50_60 0.10, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN 0.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01C4F4A9.727ECEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all for the many suggestions. What I did was to download DSL (damnsmalllinux), boot it from CD, then use the frugal_instal.sh script to install on the CF reader on the machine. I had to modify the script because it would error out for any device other than hda because it says it's unreliable. But it worked. I took the CF card and stuck it in the kiosk machine, booted, and it works. Yeehaw. _____ From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bill Glidden Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:48 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] embedded linux - second try I am investigating some hardware for a friend who wants a kiosk for his business. We purchased a computer that has no drive, just a compact flash slot. There's no way to attach a floppy or cd drive, but I can write to the CF card from another computer. Never having done anything with embedded Linux, I have only a cursory understanding of what the steps are to build this system. I'm sure I can work my way through this eventually, but if anyone has any experience in this and wouldn't mind answering a question or two as they arise, I'd be grateful. My friend's business is a restaurant, so a free dinner can be arranged :-) Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_015A_01C4F4A9.727ECEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to all for the many = suggestions. What I did was to download DSL (damnsmalllinux), boot it from CD, then = use the frugal_instal.sh script to install on the CF reader on the machine. I = had to modify the script because it would error out for any device other than = hda because it says it’s unreliable. But it worked. I took the CF card = and stuck it in the kiosk machine, booted, and it works. = Yeehaw.

 


From: = slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of = Bill Glidden
Sent: Thursday, January = 06, 2005 1:48 PM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: [SLUG] embedded = linux - second try

 

I am investigating some hardware for a friend who = wants a kiosk for his business. We purchased a computer that has no drive, just = a compact flash slot. There’s no way to attach a floppy or cd drive, = but I can write to the CF card from another = computer.

 

Never having done anything with embedded Linux, I = have only a cursory understanding of what the steps are to build this system. = I’m sure I can work my way through this eventually, but if anyone has any experience in this and wouldn’t mind answering a question or two = as they arise, I’d be grateful. My friend’s business is a = restaurant, so a free dinner can be arranged J

 

Thanks.

 

 

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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 7 21:14:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j082EcCI003822 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:14:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j082EcSs003821 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:14:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j082EbCI003817 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:14:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j082EbP7014481 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:14:37 -0500 Received: from pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.253]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j082ERZd006313 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:14:27 -0500 Received: from 209-165-23.24.lightspeed.net ([209.165.23.24] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065d19.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cn67W-0004yb-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 07 Jan 2005 18:14:27 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: SOTL To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:28:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.806, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j082EcCI003818 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge? Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on the line side and the bridge goes on the computer side but really is the difference? Or to ask this question another can one convert a Netgear wireless router into a wireless bridge? The reason I ask this question is that I need a wireless bridge but they cost $125.00 at CompUSA while they have wireless routers class b on sale for $10.00 and since $10.00 sounds much more affordable to me than $125 I would like to know if one can convert the router to a bridge. Frank PS they have class G for $29.00. Last day of sale is 8 Jan 05. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 7 21:45:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j082jXCI004057 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:45:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j082jXWk004056 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:45:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j082jWCI004052 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:45:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j082jWP7015829 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:45:32 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j082jHqd003033 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:45:17 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j082jFkw022530 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:45:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:44:38 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges In-Reply-To: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: PS they have class G for $29.00. Last day of sale is 8 Jan 05. Seeme to me that unless your net connection is faster than 802.11b speeds (11 Mb/s half duplex max, I get around half that) or you transfer a lot of data between a wireless machine and another machine on your LAN, then upgrading from b to g doesn't buy you any speed. The security might be worth something though. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Derived from Robert Heinlein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 7 22:04:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0834JCI004196 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:04:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0834JZF004195 for slug-track29; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:04:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0834ICI004191 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:04:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0834HP9016595 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:04:18 -0500 Received: from out008.verizon.net (out008pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.108]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0833sqd007051 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:03:55 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([4.11.253.166]) by out008.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050108030350.QOCP17379.out008.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:03:50 -0600 From: Donald E Haselwood To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 22:03:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501072203.49791.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.11.253.166] at Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:03:50 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.408, required 6, AWL -1.84, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You can convert a WRT54G Linksys wireless router to work as a bridge by loading sveasoft's software (http://www.sveasoft.com). It runs linux, so if you're inclined you can tinker with it. The last time I checked the best price, delivered, was $60 from amazon.com. Do you know the mfg/model of the $29 Compusa router? Don On Friday 07 January 2005 21:28, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge? > Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on the line side and > the bridge goes on the computer side but really is the difference? Or to > ask this question another can one convert a Netgear wireless router into a > wireless bridge? The reason I ask this question is that I need a wireless > bridge but they cost $125.00 at CompUSA while they have wireless routers > class b on sale for $10.00 and since $10.00 sounds much more affordable to > me than $125 I would like to know if one can convert the router to a > bridge. > > Frank > > PS they have class G for $29.00. Last day of sale is 8 Jan 05. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 04:05:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0895WCI006609 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:05:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0895W9i006608 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:05:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0895TCI006604 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:05:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08959PB003664 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:05:24 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0894dqd003891 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:04:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 21541 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 09:04:39 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 09:04:38 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B1B11256E8; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:01:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:01:20 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Message-ID: <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.001, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:28:14PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge? Just > so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on the line side and the > bridge goes on the computer side but really is the difference? Note: I'm a neophyte to this area. I've set up several simple networks and know something about the theory of this area. I've never seen or used a bridge but I know the definition of one. So feel free to correct me. I'll also use this opportunity to ask questions of the more knowledgeable in the group. Here's my understanding: Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC addresses?) to route packets. Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to route packets based partially on info from higher up in the protocol stack (IP addresses?). They can be made to function as bridges, though perhaps less efficiently. There are two factors at work. The first is the connection between IP address and machine names, and the ability to resolve machine names into addresses. This is handled either by a populated /etc/hosts file (which contains the names and addresses of local machines), or access to an active local DNS server. In the latter case, the DNS server serves to translate machine names into IP addresses to the best of its ability. The second factor is the routing of packets once the IP addresses are known. The "route -n" command will show you what routing decisions will be made on the machine it's run on. Your local machine will likely know how to route all traffic on your LAN directly to the machines involved. That is, the "route -n" command shows that for local addresses, there is no gateway; packets to those addresses are routed directly. Any other addresses will go to a "gateway" router somewhere on your network, which shows on a separate line of the "route -n" command. If your network is like mine, you've got a router for the LAN. It accepts packets for addresses my local machine doesn't know how to deal with. It knows how to address local traffic. But for any other traffic, it has its own "gateway" route, which is to the DSL modem. The DSL modem does whatever handwaving it needs to to get internet packets where they're going. Since part of specifying a route with the route command also entails specifying what type of addresses will go on that route, you could specify a secondary gateway for any traffic going to a different LAN or network segment. That gateway would then hand off traffic to the proper hosts on its network segment. So the point here is that, while a bridge would directly route traffic to specific machines on different network segments, a router whose routing tables are properly set up (with a separate gateway on the other network segment(s)) could perform the same function. It mainly depends on how your routes are set up. Right? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 07:54:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08CsgCI008358 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:54:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08CsgIe008357 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:54:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08CseCI008353 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:54:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08CsPP7016357 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:54:40 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08Cs91d030800 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:54:10 -0500 Received: from pcp03955425pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.57.117] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CnG6L-000217-1K for slug@nks.net; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:53:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-QVY1uhQyNJd87vznYkQw" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:53:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1105188832.19763.19.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.75, required 6, AWL -0.55, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-QVY1uhQyNJd87vznYkQw Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 04:01 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:28:14PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > So the point here is that, while a bridge would directly route traffic=20 > to specific machines on different network segments, a router whose=20 > routing tables are properly set up (with a separate gateway on the other=20 > network segment(s)) could perform the same function. It mainly depends=20 > on how your routes are set up. >=20 > Right? Correct. For the non-geek types, who may are still confused, here is an example of a bridge: I just set up a bridge at my friends' house because their son was driving them insane with noise from his xbox games. =20 I set up an old laptop, with two nics: one to connect to the wireless router and one bridge packets to the xbox. Their son could now use the television farthest away from the living room but still play online. The laptop isn't using any of the packets itself, it is just doing a fireman's chain of packets from one NIC to the other and thus, bridging the xbox to the router. The Logan --=20 07:30:01 up 23:08, 3 users, load average: 0.14, 0.33, 0.65 Did you know the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 08:21:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08DLoCI008559 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:21:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08DLoVs008558 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:21:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08DLiCI008554 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:21:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08DLhP7018056 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:21:44 -0500 Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08DLar1009377 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:21:36 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnGX8-0001QZ-CF; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:21:34 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=DSUR+d8YIecGXU8HGzqEWsabdPSC0mFA//TrP6nMvITO+qoKBWTLFPRgMgml2tXx; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:21:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501080821.40300.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26091c45c74817d9629db1242c9eb0edd149350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.654, required 6, AWL -0.25, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 07 January 2005 09:44 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, SOTL wrote: > > PS they have class G for $29.00. Last day of sale is 8 Jan 05. > > Seeme to me that unless your net connection is faster than 802.11b speeds > (11 Mb/s half duplex max, I get around half that) or you transfer a lot of > data between a wireless machine and another machine on your LAN, then > upgrading from b to g doesn't buy you any speed. The security might be > worth something though. It may not buy any speed but you can NOT physically buy B devices at CompUSA [and I would assume all other stores]. You may find G level but everything I saw on the shelf [except for the discount sales shelf by the front door] was Super G. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 08:25:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08DPHCI008606 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08DPHcm008605 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08DPGCI008600 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08DPGP9018196 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:25:16 -0500 Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08DOwqd015093 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:24:59 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnGaQ-0007BR-Nq; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:24:58 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=nCP4PX0yFquXAxbYW8d9ewD1CWZfAwYvWjlBpGK+uQebHzd7TfTfImqxWG0ZG1dT; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:25:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200501072203.49791.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200501072203.49791.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501080825.04773.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26091c45c74817d9629dfc078c7d1cb3518c2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.462, required 6, AWL -0.06, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 07 January 2005 10:03 pm, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > You can convert a WRT54G Linksys wireless router to work as a bridge by > loading sveasoft's software (http://www.sveasoft.com). It runs linux, so > if you're inclined you can tinker with it. The last time I checked the > best price, delivered, was $60 from amazon.com. > > Do you know the mfg/model of the $29 Compusa router? Mfg: Netgear Model I did not jot down as the office is only 1 block away, it was closing time, and I thought I would see what the list had to say first. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 08:55:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08Dt9CI008821 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08Dt9NY008820 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08Dt8CI008816 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08Dt7P9020076 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:08 -0500 Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08Dsuqd020263 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:54:56 -0500 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnH3Q-0005lt-EP for slug@nks.net; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:54:56 -0500 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AFD170C99A for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:58:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <13320.66.15.89.64.1105192713.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:58:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac0549fb11073be4ad3d5b3b120a0f9a6b59fd9bd3bd0000924350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.243, required 6, AWL 0.75, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j08Dt9CI008817 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster said: snip > Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more > networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC addresses?) to > route packets. > > Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to route > packets based partially on info from higher up in the protocol stack (IP > addresses?). They can be made to function as bridges, though perhaps > less efficiently. You have the concepts correct. Some of the terminology may not be technically accurate. Bridges do use MAC addresses to route frames, but they don't connect two networks. Rather, they connect segments (possibly with different physical media) of the same network. In other words, all of the segments connected to a bridge have the same network address, and all the hosts on the segments are in the same broadcast domain (but seperate collision domains). Routers do route packets based on their destination IP address. However, each interface on a router connects to a different network (with possibly different physical media and data link protocols), with different network addresses and seperate broadcast domains. These links may provide more info: http://www.linktionary.com/b/broadcast_domain.html http://www.linktionary.com/c/collisions.html http://www.linktionary.com/b/bridge.html http://www.linktionary.com/r/routers.html None of this probably answers Franks questions though. You asked "What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge?" A wireless router would be used to connect one network (with wireless and wired segments) to another network, usually the Internet. A wireless bridge would be used to connect a wired device or segment to a wireless segment on the same network. You also asked "can one convert a Netgear wireless router into a wireless bridge?" To better answer this question, we need to know what exactly you are trying to do. Do you already have a wireless network setup, and you're trying to connect a device to it that does not have wireless capability? Or, do you have no wireless network setup, and are trying to connect two wired devices/segments without running cable between them? Or, am I way out in left field? Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 08:55:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08DtsCI008833 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08Dtsim008832 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08DtrCI008828 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08DtrP7020110 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:53 -0500 Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08DtcNd026392 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:38 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnH46-0005w8-0c; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:55:38 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=fmXKwQ/y/GK90JF/dSvkIDqHzWxHmy+IQSay5ymqraCGJWDbTjnDdPN/32px3XAD; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Paul M Foster Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501080855.43693.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26096018b6ee43eb5a198afe7dc59da3d4ca387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.404, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 08 January 2005 04:01 am, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:28:14PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > > Hi All > > > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge? > > Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on the line side and > > the bridge goes on the computer side but really is the difference? > > Note: I'm a neophyte to this area. I've set up several simple networks > and know something about the theory of this area. I've never seen or > used a bridge but I know the definition of one. So feel free to correct > me. I'll also use this opportunity to ask questions of the more > knowledgeable in the group. Here's my understanding: > > Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more > networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC addresses?) to > route packets. > > Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to route > packets based partially on info from higher up in the protocol stack (IP > addresses?). They can be made to function as bridges, though perhaps > less efficiently. > > There are two factors at work. The first is the connection between IP > address and machine names, and the ability to resolve machine names into > addresses. This is handled either by a populated /etc/hosts file (which > contains the names and addresses of local machines), or access to an > active local DNS server. In the latter case, the DNS server serves to > translate machine names into IP addresses to the best of its ability. > > The second factor is the routing of packets once the IP addresses are > known. The "route -n" command will show you what routing decisions will > be made on the machine it's run on. Your local machine will likely know > how to route all traffic on your LAN directly to the machines involved. > That is, the "route -n" command shows that for local addresses, there is > no gateway; packets to those addresses are routed directly. Any other > addresses will go to a "gateway" router somewhere on your network, which > shows on a separate line of the "route -n" command. > > If your network is like mine, you've got a router for the LAN. It > accepts packets for addresses my local machine doesn't know how to deal > with. It knows how to address local traffic. But for any other traffic, > it has its own "gateway" route, which is to the DSL modem. The DSL modem > does whatever handwaving it needs to to get internet packets where > they're going. > > Since part of specifying a route with the route command also entails > specifying what type of addresses will go on that route, you could > specify a secondary gateway for any traffic going to a different LAN or > network segment. That gateway would then hand off traffic to the proper > hosts on its network segment. > > So the point here is that, while a bridge would directly route traffic > to specific machines on different network segments, a router whose > routing tables are properly set up (with a separate gateway on the other > network segment(s)) could perform the same function. It mainly depends > on how your routes are set up. > > Right? > > Paul > Thanks Paul If I get the issue correct it is a matter of package routing and what is allowed to pass, basically a firewall and routing issue. If that is correct then if all firewall features were nulled out then could one could a router be used for a bridge on a simple network consisting of one bridge/router connected to one computer and one router connected to the eathernet line side. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 10:19:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FJOCI009425 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:19:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08FJOOI009424 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:19:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FJNCI009420 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:19:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08FJMP7024197 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:19:23 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08FJ8Zd006325 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:19:08 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so40484rne for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:19:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=JkcWpqW8X+yOi/pRpCHCxbSe3IORQ1nUCZflTlflTPSFrmqMIlz6b5aYKS9Ru3idpCv95+apnw2EpjESkHGbA1JQQS2QsIYQgAOAHAX0q/C4WhRvsMKYD/nPWoclxIfUP/DYcm7mTt3WX0m4w8a1QULmB5wkiJ4yYn5TbOAIQL0= Received: by 10.38.76.72 with SMTP id y72mr626353rna; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 07:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.5 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:19:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c9057050108071971abb48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:19:07 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges In-Reply-To: <200501080855.43693.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> <200501080855.43693.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:43 -0500, SOTL wrote: > On Saturday 08 January 2005 04:01 am, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:28:14PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge? > > > Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on the line side and > > > the bridge goes on the computer side but really is the difference? > > > > Note: I'm a neophyte to this area. I've set up several simple networks > > and know something about the theory of this area. I've never seen or > > used a bridge but I know the definition of one. So feel free to correct > > me. I'll also use this opportunity to ask questions of the more > > knowledgeable in the group. Here's my understanding: > > > > Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more > > networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC addresses?) to > > route packets. > > > > Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to route > > packets based partially on info from higher up in the protocol stack (IP > > addresses?). They can be made to function as bridges, though perhaps > > less efficiently. > > > > There are two factors at work. The first is the connection between IP > > address and machine names, and the ability to resolve machine names into > > addresses. This is handled either by a populated /etc/hosts file (which > > contains the names and addresses of local machines), or access to an > > active local DNS server. In the latter case, the DNS server serves to > > translate machine names into IP addresses to the best of its ability. > > > > The second factor is the routing of packets once the IP addresses are > > known. The "route -n" command will show you what routing decisions will > > be made on the machine it's run on. Your local machine will likely know > > how to route all traffic on your LAN directly to the machines involved. > > That is, the "route -n" command shows that for local addresses, there is > > no gateway; packets to those addresses are routed directly. Any other > > addresses will go to a "gateway" router somewhere on your network, which > > shows on a separate line of the "route -n" command. > > > > If your network is like mine, you've got a router for the LAN. It > > accepts packets for addresses my local machine doesn't know how to deal > > with. It knows how to address local traffic. But for any other traffic, > > it has its own "gateway" route, which is to the DSL modem. The DSL modem > > does whatever handwaving it needs to to get internet packets where > > they're going. > > > > Since part of specifying a route with the route command also entails > > specifying what type of addresses will go on that route, you could > > specify a secondary gateway for any traffic going to a different LAN or > > network segment. That gateway would then hand off traffic to the proper > > hosts on its network segment. > > > > So the point here is that, while a bridge would directly route traffic > > to specific machines on different network segments, a router whose > > routing tables are properly set up (with a separate gateway on the other > > network segment(s)) could perform the same function. It mainly depends > > on how your routes are set up. > > > > Right? > > > > Paul > > > > Thanks Paul > > If I get the issue correct it is a matter of package routing and what is > allowed to pass, basically a firewall and routing issue. > > If that is correct then if all firewall features were nulled out then could > one could a router be used for a bridge on a simple network consisting of one > bridge/router connected to one computer and one router connected to the > eathernet line side. > One other thing to take into account is the layout of the RF part of the system. Normally wireless routers are designed to connnect to user gear (RF Nic's) or real bridges, if you are modifying a router to work as a bridge you need to make sure that the RF piece can be changed so as to act like a subservient device to the router rather than a router controller device. Wireless lan on the RF side operates in two modes 1. Multi-point to multi-point or Peer to peer, this is where you do not have a router or access point through which all devices operate through 2. Point to multi-point which is the way most of us operate these things, one device is a access point/router and the other devices communicate through it. If you use a router as a bridge it must be able to change from a access point to a user type device which is how the router views it as a radio. The router is looking for user devices and will not see a router device unless that device can be made to appear as another user device on the RF LAN. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 10:41:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FfqCI009613 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08Ffqas009612 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FfpCI009608 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08FfoP7025379 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:50 -0500 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08FfV1d013270 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:31 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnIiY-00013Q-W3; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:41:31 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=Q4HN7tyaQQuxQCGOI0L/uQYSkhLiYdqzzmbmfS2xIl+RYm/A0I5DUfSAOdI/l2Gf; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Doug Koobs" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:41:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> <13320.66.15.89.64.1105192713.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <13320.66.15.89.64.1105192713.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501081041.36430.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609c6a94e0f453d638b33f7bbf0896e92e3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.467, required 6, AWL -0.06, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 08 January 2005 08:58 am, Doug Koobs wrote: > Paul M Foster said: > snip > > > Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more > > networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC addresses?) to > > route packets. > > > > Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to route > > packets based partially on info from higher up in the protocol stack (IP > > addresses?). They can be made to function as bridges, though perhaps > > less efficiently. > > You have the concepts correct. Some of the terminology may not be > technically accurate. Bridges do use MAC addresses to route frames, but > they don't connect two networks. Rather, they connect segments (possibly > with different physical media) of the same network. In other words, all of > the segments connected to a bridge have the same network address, and all > the hosts on the segments are in the same broadcast domain (but seperate > collision domains). > > Routers do route packets based on their destination IP address. However, > each interface on a router connects to a different network (with possibly > different physical media and data link protocols), with different network > addresses and seperate broadcast domains. > > These links may provide more info: > http://www.linktionary.com/b/broadcast_domain.html > http://www.linktionary.com/c/collisions.html > http://www.linktionary.com/b/bridge.html > http://www.linktionary.com/r/routers.html > > None of this probably answers Franks questions though. You asked "What is > the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge?" A wireless > router would be used to connect one network (with wireless and wired > segments) to another network, usually the Internet. A wireless bridge would > be used to connect a wired device or segment to a wireless segment on the > same network. > > You also asked "can one convert a Netgear wireless router into a wireless > bridge?" To better answer this question, we need to know what exactly you > are trying to do. Do you already have a wireless network setup, and you're > trying to connect a device to it that does not have wireless capability? > Or, do you have no wireless network setup, and are trying to connect two > wired devices/segments without running cable between them? Or, am I way out > in left field? > > Doug > Connect one computer to an existing network. I could do this by adding an internal card but I had rather not get in to those configuration issues. Whit I would like to do is use the bridge/router to connect to the existing wireless network and then pipe the ethernet DSL into the computer by the RJ?? normal eathernet port. By doing it that way I will not have to reconfigure if I hardwire the computer in the future. Also I do not want the bridge/router to act as a router in the correct usage of the word meaning straight in by antenna straight out by one wire. Nor do I desire for this device to act as a fire wall. All I need is a simple transceiver to receive and sent which is connected to the computer by means of eathernet. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 10:53:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FrLCI009704 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08FrLHc009703 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FrKCI009699 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08FrJP7025889 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:20 -0500 Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08Fr0qd006271 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:00 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnItg-0001YH-8i; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:53:00 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=ItZQWmn+BjZDtbHV53nTb72B70m4OYB2Gsx+on88i5JxoPPclGpYv/G85gQVhQLV; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Chuck Hast Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:06 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200501080855.43693.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <620c9057050108071971abb48@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c9057050108071971abb48@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501081053.06534.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26094ea5a9750398677c1d2b8036c9abbc6f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.454, required 6, AWL -0.05, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 08 January 2005 10:19 am, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:43 -0500, SOTL wrote: > > On Saturday 08 January 2005 04:01 am, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:28:14PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless > > > > bridge? Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on the > > > > line side and the bridge goes on the computer side but really is the > > > > difference? > > > > > > Note: I'm a neophyte to this area. I've set up several simple networks > > > and know something about the theory of this area. I've never seen or > > > used a bridge but I know the definition of one. So feel free to correct > > > me. I'll also use this opportunity to ask questions of the more > > > knowledgeable in the group. Here's my understanding: > > > > > > Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more > > > networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC addresses?) to > > > route packets. > > > > > > Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to route > > > packets based partially on info from higher up in the protocol stack > > > (IP addresses?). They can be made to function as bridges, though > > > perhaps less efficiently. > > > > > > There are two factors at work. The first is the connection between IP > > > address and machine names, and the ability to resolve machine names > > > into addresses. This is handled either by a populated /etc/hosts file > > > (which contains the names and addresses of local machines), or access > > > to an active local DNS server. In the latter case, the DNS server > > > serves to translate machine names into IP addresses to the best of its > > > ability. > > > > > > The second factor is the routing of packets once the IP addresses are > > > known. The "route -n" command will show you what routing decisions will > > > be made on the machine it's run on. Your local machine will likely know > > > how to route all traffic on your LAN directly to the machines involved. > > > That is, the "route -n" command shows that for local addresses, there > > > is no gateway; packets to those addresses are routed directly. Any > > > other addresses will go to a "gateway" router somewhere on your > > > network, which shows on a separate line of the "route -n" command. > > > > > > If your network is like mine, you've got a router for the LAN. It > > > accepts packets for addresses my local machine doesn't know how to deal > > > with. It knows how to address local traffic. But for any other traffic, > > > it has its own "gateway" route, which is to the DSL modem. The DSL > > > modem does whatever handwaving it needs to to get internet packets > > > where they're going. > > > > > > Since part of specifying a route with the route command also entails > > > specifying what type of addresses will go on that route, you could > > > specify a secondary gateway for any traffic going to a different LAN or > > > network segment. That gateway would then hand off traffic to the proper > > > hosts on its network segment. > > > > > > So the point here is that, while a bridge would directly route traffic > > > to specific machines on different network segments, a router whose > > > routing tables are properly set up (with a separate gateway on the > > > other network segment(s)) could perform the same function. It mainly > > > depends on how your routes are set up. > > > > > > Right? > > > > > > Paul > > > > Thanks Paul > > > > If I get the issue correct it is a matter of package routing and what is > > allowed to pass, basically a firewall and routing issue. > > > > If that is correct then if all firewall features were nulled out then > > could one could a router be used for a bridge on a simple network > > consisting of one bridge/router connected to one computer and one router > > connected to the eathernet line side. > > One other thing to take into account is the layout of the RF part of the > system. Normally wireless routers are designed to connnect to user gear (RF > Nic's) or real bridges, if you are modifying a router to work as a bridge > you need to make sure that the RF piece can be changed so as to act like a > subservient device to the router rather than a router controller device. > > Wireless lan on the RF side operates in two modes > 1. Multi-point to multi-point or Peer to peer, this is where you do > not have a router or > access point through which all devices operate through > 2. Point to multi-point which is the way most of us operate these > things, one device > is a access point/router and the other devices communicate through it. > > If you use a router as a bridge it must be able to change from a access > point to a user type device which is how the router views it as a radio. > The router is looking > for user devices and will not see a router device unless that device > can be made to > appear as another user device on the RF LAN. Now I am more confused than I was. The issue to me is not clear. So let me explain what we have and what I need and then maybe someone can advise me. There are 3 existing computers in our second office. Two can communicate with each other and with the outside world by wireless. One, mine, can not communicate with the other two computers as that is not desirable from an employment perspective. I can communicate with the outside world. If I added a fourth computer with a fourth wireless router/bridge it would need to be set so that it could not communicate with any other computer by wireless only communicating with the outside world. A firewall is not desirable in this router/bridge as the system to be connected would be a SuSE 9.2 which as you are aware of has internal firewall capabilities nor would normal routing action be required only straight in straight out. Under these circumstances can a wireless router [normally used to connect to the line side] be used as a wireless bridge [normally connected to the computer side]? Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 10:53:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FrnCI009716 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08FrnNu009715 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08FrmCI009711 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08FrlP7025909 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:48 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08Frg1d013919 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:53:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 16296 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2005 15:53:41 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2005 15:53:41 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 502A61256E8; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:50:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 10:50:18 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Message-ID: <20050108155017.GE1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050108090120.GD1284@quillandmouse.com> <13320.66.15.89.64.1105192713.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <13320.66.15.89.64.1105192713.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.512, required 6, AWL -0.92, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 08:58:33AM -0500, Doug Koobs wrote: > These links may provide more info: > http://www.linktionary.com/b/broadcast_domain.html > http://www.linktionary.com/c/collisions.html > http://www.linktionary.com/b/bridge.html > http://www.linktionary.com/r/routers.html > Kewl site! Also, I discovered that Google has a facility for seeking definitions. In the Google search box, just type "define:whatsit" (without the quotes) to find tons of definitions to "whatsit" on the web. My original reply was based partly on that research. Unfortunately, since the quality of information on the net is variable, so is the accuracy of what you find. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 11:18:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08GIlCI009892 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:18:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08GIl4M009891 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:18:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08GIkCI009887 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:18:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08GIdP9027013 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:18:46 -0500 Received: from web50607.mail.yahoo.com (web50607.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.94]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j08GIO1d016367 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:18:24 -0500 Received: (qmail 39780 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jan 2005 16:18:24 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=gtSMuOnTqG1Mbtlzxs4kqEUiNGrUi7j3/6IrdhWegGATh+j3qd9mOcG4zel9D3Bg4BbTvLvldZiui59p1oIumWyg0lx9Bjtixfk7R2BGn4aF+8AmwAYxBN1BiK2FY4G3hQ+eSIQg0m2kKfO/9UQaM7X3cShFvXGbb4Qwb9+H388= ; Message-ID: <20050108161824.39778.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.74.129] by web50607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 08:18:24 PST Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:18:24 -0800 (PST) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501081053.06534.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Now I am more confused than I was. The issue to me is not clear. So > let me > explain what we have and what I need and then maybe someone can > advise me. > > There are 3 existing computers in our second office. Two can > communicate with > each other and with the outside world by wireless. One, mine, can not > > communicate with the other two computers as that is not desirable > from an > employment perspective. I can communicate with the outside world. If > I added > a fourth computer with a fourth wireless router/bridge it would need > to be > set so that it could not communicate with any other computer by > wireless only > communicating with the outside world. A firewall is not desirable in > this > router/bridge as the system to be connected would be a SuSE 9.2 which > as you > are aware of has internal firewall capabilities nor would normal > routing > action be required only straight in straight out. > > Under these circumstances can a wireless router [normally used to > connect to > the line side] be used as a wireless bridge [normally connected to > the > computer side]? > > Thanks > > Frank > #include /* without knowing the model number, this information may not be entirely correct or useful. */ most linksys wireless routers have a bridge AND a switch built in as well as a router. some older linksys models have options for disableing the routing portion (i dont have model numbers handy), and linksys makes some wireless bridges (wet11). either of those should work for you. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 11:35:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08GZECI010052 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:35:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08GZE3M010051 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:35:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08GZDCI010047 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:35:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08GZDP7027789 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:35:13 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08GZ4r1025169 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:35:04 -0500 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com[24.92.11.65] (helo=[10.125.65.10]) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1CnJYN34vY-00045W; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 11:35:03 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:35:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501081135.03004.steve@szmidt.org> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:f000f2fe99e2d3ebee811612b04e8539 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 07 January 2005 09:28 pm, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless bridge? > Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on the line side and > the bridge goes on the computer side but really is the difference? Or to > ask this question another can one convert a Netgear wireless router into a > wireless bridge? The reason I ask this question is that I need a wireless > bridge but they cost $125.00 at CompUSA while they have wireless routers > class b on sale for $10.00 and since $10.00 sounds much more affordable to > me than $125 I would like to know if one can convert the router to a > bridge. > > Frank > > PS they have class G for $29.00. Last day of sale is 8 Jan 05. A router routes traffic between different subnets. It has an ip address on each network. You tell your computer how to A. get out of your subnet to find all the others, or B. to find one or more specific subnets. A bridge connects different network topologies, like fiber and twisted pair, and does not have any ip address. Now you cannot use a bridge as a router, again due to the fact that it does not have an ip. You cannot say go to this ip to get to someplace. Now, things are changing as people realizes things you can do by mixing up these features. F.ex. in OpenBSD you can have a bridge as a firewall. It's now a firewall that you cannot reach from the network so it's very safe. It's also an excellent way of firewalling off a portion of your network by invisibly inserting it f.ex. outside the accounting network. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 12:18:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08HI5CI010372 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:18:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08HI5r0010371 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:18:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08HI4CI010367 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:18:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08HI4P7029983 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:18:04 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08HHq1d021346 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:17:52 -0500 Received: from dt030n41.tampabay.rr.com[24.92.11.65] (helo=[10.125.65.10]) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz1m-1CnKDo13Sd-0007yu; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 12:17:52 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:17:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050108161824.39778.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050108161824.39778.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501081217.51202.steve@szmidt.org> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:f000f2fe99e2d3ebee811612b04e8539 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 08 January 2005 11:18 am, perthie wrote: > > > > Now I am more confused than I was. The issue to me is not clear. So > > let me > > explain what we have and what I need and then maybe someone can > > advise me. > > > > There are 3 existing computers in our second office. Two can > > communicate with > > each other and with the outside world by wireless. One, mine, can not > > > > communicate with the other two computers as that is not desirable > > from an > > employment perspective. I can communicate with the outside world. If > > I added > > a fourth computer with a fourth wireless router/bridge it would need > > to be > > set so that it could not communicate with any other computer by > > wireless only > > communicating with the outside world. A firewall is not desirable in > > this > > router/bridge as the system to be connected would be a SuSE 9.2 which > > as you > > are aware of has internal firewall capabilities nor would normal > > routing > > action be required only straight in straight out. > > > > Under these circumstances can a wireless router [normally used to > > connect to > > the line side] be used as a wireless bridge [normally connected to > > the > > computer side]? > > > > Thanks > > > > Frank Yes, people have been giving misleading information here. You ask the wrong question. It probably should be how do I connect these so they work the way I want them to? You have different ways to flog that network. And each way is very simple to do. You can have a three way firewall where each NIC connects to A. the internet B. your PC subnet and C. the subnet with two PCs. Now you can specify where each packet can go. You can add that 3rd NIC to your SuSE machine. I prefer this one as I have full control of what it does. Commercial firewalls are not as reliable as the ones you make yourself if you know how. What happens all the time with commercial solutions is that they are first and foremost controlled by financial interest, not technological. Whereas f.ex. an OpenBSD box is entirely driven by technology (and has the best firewall technology of all the OS's). You can create two different subnets and not include the gateway to find the other subnet. This is weaker from a security viewpoint as somone who rooted a machine can add the route themselves on the hacked machine. As far as your 4th computer, add one more subnet for it. Another note. A firewall should be a dedicated to being a firewall. The problem with your SuSE box is that it runs all sorts of programs. Each one the potential door for a hacker. With a dedicated box it ONLY runs as a firewall and thus have a much smaller, and more managable amount of programs running, since they are always the same. You should ALSO have each box configured with their OWN firewall. The reason for this is that security is NOT solved by simply putting up a firewall. It's a multi pronged solution, where more is better. Today a script kiddie (one who does not know how things work and just executes scripts) can gain various kinds of access which is simply not solved with a firewall. Security is a multilevel approach. I bet none of the PC you have really need to allow anyone into them, except for a function or two. So you lock everything else down. I use an old PI 266MHz PC as my firewall. It has all of 48MB RAM and is able to handle any network load you could throw at it. Remember a firewall has to have holes in it to let any traffic through. Like web browsing and email. Which is what most virues uses to spread. So you firewall is quite useless from stopping spyware and viruses. I like locking down firewalls for both inbound and outbound traffic so only the specific ports I need are open. This makes it less likely for a request from a malware (running on one of my PC's) to connect back out to his master. Which in turn could let him back into my computer. A final note. It does NOT matter what you have on your computer as far as being a deciding factor for a hacker to attack you. He does not even know before he hacks you. Nor is he likely to care. What he looks for is typically a machine other than his that he can use to attack someone else from, and a place to hide his tools. You could f.ex. become part of a spammers spam network without you ever knowing. Then there's the not very likely but potential that as FBI is chasing down the path to a hacker, who's using your PC, get's the idea you are involved. At which point they will grab ALL computer equipment they can. You may see it six months later when they finish their investigation. The law is usually not very good at the technical end and are prone to making errors. Which is why they often try to convert a hacker to work for them when possible. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 13:47:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08IlwCI011002 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:47:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08IlwlC011001 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:47:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08IlvCI010997 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:47:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08IlvP7001801 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:47:57 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08Ilor1003192 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:47:50 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j08IlliM005983 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:47:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <047001c4f5b2$8b5da350$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <200501072128.14634.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200501081135.03004.steve@szmidt.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:47:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > A router routes traffic between different subnets. It has an ip address on > each network. You tell your computer how to A. get out of your subnet to find > all the others, or B. to find one or more specific subnets. > > A bridge connects different network topologies, like fiber and twisted pair, > and does not have any ip address. > > Now you cannot use a bridge as a router, again due to the fact that it does > not have an ip. You cannot say go to this ip to get to someplace. > > Now, things are changing as people realizes things you can do by mixing up > these features. F.ex. in OpenBSD you can have a bridge as a firewall. It's > now a firewall that you cannot reach from the network so it's very safe. > > It's also an excellent way of firewalling off a portion of your network by > invisibly inserting it f.ex. outside the accounting network. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt It may be helpful to remember that a bridge is a Layer 2 device and works with MAC addresses (also known as ethernet addresses and hardware addresses, a 48 bit number, 8x6). A router is a Layer 3 device and works at the Network level with IP addresses (32 bit numbers, 8x4) . A MAC address is not visible past your local router gateway and works just on the local LAN. ARP (and reverse ARP) is the mechanism by which MAC addresses, which your NIC card needs to work, are mapped to IP addresses, which people work with. One advantage of bridging firewalls such as the OpenBSD model is that the interfaces have no assigned IP address which makes re-numbering easier if you insert such a device in your network access point. Such a firewall is much harder to attack, as Steve said. The mangle function in iptables allows offsetting the TTL of traffic transiting the firewall by one which makes the firewall "invisible" to traceroutes. - Bob ---sent 1347 EST Sat ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 15:34:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08KYBCI011774 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:34:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08KYB0r011773 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:34:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08KYACI011769 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:34:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08KY9P7007048 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:34:09 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08KXoqd018794 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:33:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j08KXkNr020939; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:33:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:34:03 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net, My GMail2 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41D40920.8040103@tampabay.rr.com> <41D42F40.3070303@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41D42F40.3070303@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.226, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK. I've tried everything suggested and concluded the original Mobo is bad (maybe a small brown mark on top of the Southbridge chip should have been a giveaway..). So the new Mobo came in (Foxconn 845GV4MR-ES; from NewEgg). Tore up the ol' rig, installed the CPU (Celeron 2.6GHz Northwood), the RAM (256K PC2700), connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the on-board Intel video) and... and nothing! No beeps, nothing on the screen. The CPU and PSU fans are spinning, but the thing is dead. After building a few 'puters, I have not have this happen to me (yet). So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU voltage, reseated RAM and CPU, and still nothing! No beeps of any kind, no BIOS screen, not even the monitor LED turns green (stays orange.. no signal). Should I classify this Mobo as: DOA? B. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 17:04:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08M40CI012409 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:04:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08M400b012408 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:04:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08M3xCI012404 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:03:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08M3wP7011585 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:03:58 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08M3ouR015571 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:03:50 -0500 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j08M3lNr009633 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:03:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501082203.j08M3lNr009633@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 05:05:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcT1wrV0JiqnqmNNQTOGEzSX4Yj/9QAWdCMQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.525, required 6, AWL -0.28, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the on-board Intel >> video) and... and nothing! Have you tried another known-good PSU? (i.e. from a working PC) Often, a power line spike will wound the PSU, causing it to produce an excessively low voltage. The PC won't work, but the fans will spin. I realize this is a new PSU, but that actually makes it an "unknown". Can you swap PSUs between two computers and see where the problem moves? Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Branko Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:34 PM To: slug@nks.net; My GMail2 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question OK. I've tried everything suggested and concluded the original Mobo is bad (maybe a small brown mark on top of the Southbridge chip should have been a giveaway..). So the new Mobo came in (Foxconn 845GV4MR-ES; from NewEgg). Tore up the ol' rig, installed the CPU (Celeron 2.6GHz Northwood), the RAM (256K PC2700), connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the on-board Intel video) and... and nothing! No beeps, nothing on the screen. The CPU and PSU fans are spinning, but the thing is dead. After building a few 'puters, I have not have this happen to me (yet). So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU voltage, reseated RAM and CPU, and still nothing! No beeps of any kind, no BIOS screen, not even the monitor LED turns green (stays orange.. no signal). Should I classify this Mobo as: DOA? B. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 17:15:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08MFqCI012494 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:15:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08MFqLr012493 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:15:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08MFpCI012489 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:15:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08MFpP7012187 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:15:51 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08MFfr1021023 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:15:41 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j08MFdkv027974 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:15:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E05B9C.7070706@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:15:56 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <200501082203.j08M3lNr009633@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200501082203.j08M3lNr009633@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I did swap the PSU just now: same results..... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 17:21:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08MLNCI012555 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:21:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08MLNjp012554 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:21:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08MLMCI012550 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:21:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08MLMP7012636 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:21:22 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08MLFr1021538 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:21:15 -0500 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j08MLCrO014780 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:21:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501082221.j08MLCrO014780@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 05:22:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200501081053.06534.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcT1m3JTHtVpV5WISjy7CaOdul+40QAMZ7iA X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.512, required 6, AWL -0.26, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Frank writes:>>> There are 3 existing computers in our second office. Two can communicate with each other and with the outside world by wireless. One, mine, can not communicate with the other two computers as that is not desirable from an employment perspective. I can communicate with the outside world. If I added a fourth computer with a fourth wireless router/bridge it would need to be set so that it could not communicate with any other computer by wireless only communicating with the outside world. --- Frank, It's not clear to me how you accomplish this. I assume all three current PCs are connected to the same router. How is it that your PC can connect to the router, but not talk to the other 2 PCs? In other words, do you currently have a hardware or software firewall separating you from allowing them to see your PC, or some other setup? It seems like you have this arrangement Router/wireless | |-via/wireless--PC A |-via/wireless--PC B |-via/wireless---------firewall-----PC C (yours) And you want to add: | |-----via/wireless router/firewall---PC D This would appear to allow you to see A and B if you choose, but prevent any PC from seeing C or D. How difficult do you want to make this? Could you put software firewalls in each machine to control access from the other PCs? Or do you need more security than that. Would this work? (software firewalls) Router/wireless | |-via/wireless----firewall (allows B only)----PC A |-via/wireless----firewall (allows A only)----PC B |-via/wireless----firewall (allows nobody)-----PC C (yours) |-via/wireless----firewall (allows nobody)-----PC D Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:53 AM To: slug@nks.net; Chuck Hast Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges On Saturday 08 January 2005 10:19 am, Chuck Hast wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:43 -0500, SOTL wrote: > > On Saturday 08 January 2005 04:01 am, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:28:14PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless > > > > bridge? Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on > > > > the line side and the bridge goes on the computer side but > > > > really is the difference? > > > > > > Note: I'm a neophyte to this area. I've set up several simple > > > networks and know something about the theory of this area. I've > > > never seen or used a bridge but I know the definition of one. So > > > feel free to correct me. I'll also use this opportunity to ask > > > questions of the more knowledgeable in the group. Here's my understanding: > > > > > > Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more > > > networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC > > > addresses?) to route packets. > > > > > > Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to > > > route packets based partially on info from higher up in the > > > protocol stack (IP addresses?). They can be made to function as > > > bridges, though perhaps less efficiently. > > > > > > There are two factors at work. The first is the connection between > > > IP address and machine names, and the ability to resolve machine > > > names into addresses. This is handled either by a populated > > > /etc/hosts file (which contains the names and addresses of local > > > machines), or access to an active local DNS server. In the latter > > > case, the DNS server serves to translate machine names into IP > > > addresses to the best of its ability. > > > > > > The second factor is the routing of packets once the IP addresses > > > are known. The "route -n" command will show you what routing > > > decisions will be made on the machine it's run on. Your local > > > machine will likely know how to route all traffic on your LAN directly to the machines involved. > > > That is, the "route -n" command shows that for local addresses, > > > there is no gateway; packets to those addresses are routed > > > directly. Any other addresses will go to a "gateway" router > > > somewhere on your network, which shows on a separate line of the "route -n" command. > > > > > > If your network is like mine, you've got a router for the LAN. It > > > accepts packets for addresses my local machine doesn't know how to > > > deal with. It knows how to address local traffic. But for any > > > other traffic, it has its own "gateway" route, which is to the DSL > > > modem. The DSL modem does whatever handwaving it needs to to get > > > internet packets where they're going. > > > > > > Since part of specifying a route with the route command also > > > entails specifying what type of addresses will go on that route, > > > you could specify a secondary gateway for any traffic going to a > > > different LAN or network segment. That gateway would then hand off > > > traffic to the proper hosts on its network segment. > > > > > > So the point here is that, while a bridge would directly route > > > traffic to specific machines on different network segments, a > > > router whose routing tables are properly set up (with a separate > > > gateway on the other network segment(s)) could perform the same > > > function. It mainly depends on how your routes are set up. > > > > > > Right? > > > > > > Paul > > > > Thanks Paul > > > > If I get the issue correct it is a matter of package routing and > > what is allowed to pass, basically a firewall and routing issue. > > > > If that is correct then if all firewall features were nulled out > > then could one could a router be used for a bridge on a simple > > network consisting of one bridge/router connected to one computer > > and one router connected to the eathernet line side. > > One other thing to take into account is the layout of the RF part of > the system. Normally wireless routers are designed to connnect to user > gear (RF > Nic's) or real bridges, if you are modifying a router to work as a > bridge you need to make sure that the RF piece can be changed so as to > act like a subservient device to the router rather than a router controller device. > > Wireless lan on the RF side operates in two modes 1. Multi-point to > multi-point or Peer to peer, this is where you do not have a router or > access point through which all devices operate through 2. Point to > multi-point which is the way most of us operate these things, one > device > is a access point/router and the other devices communicate through it. > > If you use a router as a bridge it must be able to change from a > access point to a user type device which is how the router views it as a radio. > The router is looking > for user devices and will not see a router device unless that device > can be made to appear as another user device on the RF LAN. Now I am more confused than I was. The issue to me is not clear. So let me explain what we have and what I need and then maybe someone can advise me. There are 3 existing computers in our second office. Two can communicate with each other and with the outside world by wireless. One, mine, can not communicate with the other two computers as that is not desirable from an employment perspective. I can communicate with the outside world. If I added a fourth computer with a fourth wireless router/bridge it would need to be set so that it could not communicate with any other computer by wireless only communicating with the outside world. A firewall is not desirable in this router/bridge as the system to be connected would be a SuSE 9.2 which as you are aware of has internal firewall capabilities nor would normal routing action be required only straight in straight out. Under these circumstances can a wireless router [normally used to connect to the line side] be used as a wireless bridge [normally connected to the computer side]? Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <200501082203.j08M3lNr009633@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> <41E05B9C.7070706@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41E05B9C.7070706@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.555, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Branko wrote: > I did swap the PSU just now: same results..... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Times past, when I have run into this issue, video card was dead or loose. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 18:36:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08Na6CI013105 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:36:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j08Na6I2013104 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:36:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j08Na0CI013096 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:36:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08NZxP7016427 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:35:59 -0500 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j08NZVNd020574 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:35:31 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnQ7G-0001yQ-Mb; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 18:35:31 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=ZhpvSaZXMoLgoX9wH+Mbndhh8gVX1zDBrbqBOMZhdB5EPfZMWLik3JYjSX1z4tlB; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Ken Elliott" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 18:35:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200501082221.j08MLCrO014780@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200501082221.j08MLCrO014780@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501081835.19406.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609e493413c1982e077d525fcb56d4ade14350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.404, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 08 January 2005 05:22 am, Ken Elliott wrote: > Frank writes:>>> There are 3 existing computers in our second office. Two > can communicate with each other and with the outside world by wireless. > One, mine, can not communicate with the other two computers as that is not > desirable from an employment perspective. I can communicate with the > outside world. If I added a fourth computer with a fourth wireless > router/bridge it would need to be set so that it could not communicate with > any other computer by wireless only communicating with the outside world. > --- > Frank, It's not clear to me how you accomplish this. I assume all three > current PCs are connected to the same router. There is NO router or bridge on the Wireless computer side. On the line side with the Wireless router there is several routers involved in a complicated mess feeding 10 or more computers. Each computer in our office [what would be the bridge side but there is NO Bridge] has a separate wireless input. In the case of my computer it is built in. In the case of the office computers it is by a USB input device. My computer could talk to the other two computers and share files if I set up file sharing. I purposely HAVE NOT set up file sharing so that there is NO possibility of my seeing files on the other computers. > How is it that your PC can > connect to the router, but not talk to the other 2 PCs? In other words, do > you currently have a hardware or software firewall separating you from > allowing them to see your PC, or some other setup? > > It seems like you have this arrangement > > Router/wireless There exist: |-via/wireless--PC A |-via/wireless--PC B |-via/wireless--PC C (Thinkpad) I want to add: |-via/wireless--PC D (Desktop) What I want to add is a receiving/transmitting device which apparently is normally called a "Wireless Bridge" to a existing desktop third computer I have at home and use it in the office. That would increase the total number of computers in our office by 1 to 4. What I wanted to do was use one of the el cheapo "Wireless Routers" that CompUSA had on sale for $20.00 for this device in lue of giving $125.00 for a Belkin bridge since the Wireless Router is a Belkin. > And you want to add: > |-----via/wireless router/firewall---PC D > > This would appear to allow you to see A and B if you choose, but prevent > any PC from seeing C or D. It is easy to keep a PC from seeinf shared files. Just DO NOT set up file sharing. So, that is a no issue. The only issue is how does one make a "Wireless Router" serve as a "Wireless Bridge" for 1 computer. Before anyone suggest simply putting a wireless card in the existing computer I do NOT care to do that for two reasons. One I have no desire to go through that configuration hell. One would never know it the setup was screwed up or the hardware. Two I do not care to reconfigure the computer when or if we move to hard wire in this office. Thus an eather net input to the old RJ?? would be the ideal solution to these issues which takes us back to the router and money issues. > How difficult do you want to make this? Could you put software firewalls > in each machine to control access from the other PCs? Or do you need more > security than that. > > Would this work? (software firewalls) > > Router/wireless > > |-via/wireless----firewall (allows B only)----PC A > |-via/wireless----firewall (allows A only)----PC B > |-via/wireless----firewall (allows nobody)-----PC C (yours) > |-via/wireless----firewall (allows nobody)-----PC D > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:53 AM > To: slug@nks.net; Chuck Hast > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Bridges > > On Saturday 08 January 2005 10:19 am, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 08:55:43 -0500, SOTL wrote: > > > On Saturday 08 January 2005 04:01 am, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 09:28:14PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > > > > > What is the difference between a wireless router and a wireless > > > > > bridge? Just so I do not confuse people I know a router goes on > > > > > the line side and the bridge goes on the computer side but > > > > > really is the difference? > > > > > > > > Note: I'm a neophyte to this area. I've set up several simple > > > > networks and know something about the theory of this area. I've > > > > never seen or used a bridge but I know the definition of one. So > > > > feel free to correct me. I'll also use this opportunity to ask > > > > questions of the more knowledgeable in the group. Here's my > > understanding: > > > > Bridges are specialized routers, designed to connect two or more > > > > networks or LANs. They use info from the MAC layer (MAC > > > > addresses?) to route packets. > > > > > > > > Routers are more general purpose. They make decisions or where to > > > > route packets based partially on info from higher up in the > > > > protocol stack (IP addresses?). They can be made to function as > > > > bridges, though perhaps less efficiently. > > > > > > > > There are two factors at work. The first is the connection between > > > > IP address and machine names, and the ability to resolve machine > > > > names into addresses. This is handled either by a populated > > > > /etc/hosts file (which contains the names and addresses of local > > > > machines), or access to an active local DNS server. In the latter > > > > case, the DNS server serves to translate machine names into IP > > > > addresses to the best of its ability. > > > > > > > > The second factor is the routing of packets once the IP addresses > > > > are known. The "route -n" command will show you what routing > > > > decisions will be made on the machine it's run on. Your local > > > > machine will likely know how to route all traffic on your LAN > > > > directly > > to the machines involved. > > > > > That is, the "route -n" command shows that for local addresses, > > > > there is no gateway; packets to those addresses are routed > > > > directly. Any other addresses will go to a "gateway" router > > > > somewhere on your network, which shows on a separate line of the > > "route -n" command. > > > > > If your network is like mine, you've got a router for the LAN. It > > > > accepts packets for addresses my local machine doesn't know how to > > > > deal with. It knows how to address local traffic. But for any > > > > other traffic, it has its own "gateway" route, which is to the DSL > > > > modem. The DSL modem does whatever handwaving it needs to to get > > > > internet packets where they're going. > > > > > > > > Since part of specifying a route with the route command also > > > > entails specifying what type of addresses will go on that route, > > > > you could specify a secondary gateway for any traffic going to a > > > > different LAN or network segment. That gateway would then hand off > > > > traffic to the proper hosts on its network segment. > > > > > > > > So the point here is that, while a bridge would directly route > > > > traffic to specific machines on different network segments, a > > > > router whose routing tables are properly set up (with a separate > > > > gateway on the other network segment(s)) could perform the same > > > > function. It mainly depends on how your routes are set up. > > > > > > > > Right? > > > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > Thanks Paul > > > > > > If I get the issue correct it is a matter of package routing and > > > what is allowed to pass, basically a firewall and routing issue. > > > > > > If that is correct then if all firewall features were nulled out > > > then could one could a router be used for a bridge on a simple > > > network consisting of one bridge/router connected to one computer > > > and one router connected to the eathernet line side. > > > > One other thing to take into account is the layout of the RF part of > > the system. Normally wireless routers are designed to connnect to user > > gear (RF > > Nic's) or real bridges, if you are modifying a router to work as a > > bridge you need to make sure that the RF piece can be changed so as to > > act like a subservient device to the router rather than a router > > controller device. > > > Wireless lan on the RF side operates in two modes 1. Multi-point to > > multi-point or Peer to peer, this is where you do not have a router or > > access point through which all devices operate through 2. Point to > > multi-point which is the way most of us operate these things, one > > device > > is a access point/router and the other devices communicate through > > it. > > > > If you use a router as a bridge it must be able to change from a > > access point to a user type device which is how the router views it as a > > radio. > > > The router is looking > > for user devices and will not see a router device unless that device > > can be made to appear as another user device on the RF LAN. > > Now I am more confused than I was. The issue to me is not clear. So let me > explain what we have and what I need and then maybe someone can advise me. > > There are 3 existing computers in our second office. Two can communicate > with each other and with the outside world by wireless. One, mine, can not > communicate with the other two computers as that is not desirable from an > employment perspective. I can communicate with the outside world. If I > added a fourth computer with a fourth wireless router/bridge it would need > to be set so that it could not communicate with any other computer by > wireless only communicating with the outside world. A firewall is not > desirable in this router/bridge as the system to be connected would be a > SuSE 9.2 which as you are aware of has internal firewall capabilities nor > would normal routing action be required only straight in straight out. > > Under these circumstances can a wireless router [normally used to connect > to the line side] be used as a wireless bridge [normally connected to the > computer side]? > > Thanks > > Frank > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 20:51:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j091p2CI014106 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:51:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j091p2jl014101 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:51:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j091p1CI014097 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:51:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j091p0P7023095 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:51:00 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j091ouZd027479 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:50:56 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j091orkv016695; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 20:50:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:50:48 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41D40920.8040103@tampabay.rr.com> <41D42F40.3070303@tampabay.rr.com> <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > So the new Mobo came in (Foxconn 845GV4MR-ES; from NewEgg). Tore up the > ol' rig, installed the CPU (Celeron 2.6GHz Northwood), the RAM (256K > PC2700), connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the on-board Intel > video) and... and nothing! No beeps, nothing on the screen. The CPU and > PSU fans are spinning, but the thing is dead. > After building a few 'puters, I have not have this happen to me (yet). > So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU voltage, reseated > RAM and CPU, and still nothing! No beeps of any kind, no BIOS screen, > not even the monitor LED turns green (stays orange.. no signal). Is a good working speaker properly connected to the [spk] connectors? Most mommy boards beep error beeps when things aren't right. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 21:56:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j092uXCI014598 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:56:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j092uXrD014597 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:56:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j092uWCI014593 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:56:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j092uNPD026485 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:56:32 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j092uAuR007958 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:56:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j092u7rO028475 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 21:56:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E09D5A.7030501@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:56:26 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <200501082203.j08M3lNr009633@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> <41E05B9C.7070706@tampabay.rr.com> <41E06BB7.5050309@myraandpete.net> In-Reply-To: <41E06BB7.5050309@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.204, required 6, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It has on-board video, so I don't think that would cause the problem, unless of course the chipset is bad.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 8 22:16:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j093GXCI014753 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:16:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j093GXHI014752 for slug-track29; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:16:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j093GWCI014748 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:16:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j093GWP7027579 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:16:32 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j093GMqd016405 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:16:22 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j093GJNr017284 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 22:16:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:16:38 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41D40920.8040103@tampabay.rr.com> <41D42F40.3070303@tampabay.rr.com> <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.225, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, I don't see a speaker on the "Mommy", and there is no connector - or - pin for it.. That kind of surprised me at first, but looking over the pic @ Foxconn WEB site and the manual, it looks like there is no speaker (weird). I even plugged speakers in to see if anything happens, but it's really quiet (I mean really!!). Never seen it before. The thing of the matter is, it's a cheap box, I'm doing a favor for a friend, but drives me nuts. Then again, I've never used Foxconn Mobo; I always stay with ASUS or ABIT, but there was a price consideration here (tight budget) and this "thing" had good reviews on NewEgg's web site (makes me wonder who actually writes them, even though I have bought most of my stuff there and never had a problem..). Anyway, I'll reassemble everything again in the morning and if I have no luck, I will send the Mobo back... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 01:05:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09654CI015922 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:05:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09654cO015921 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:05:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09652CI015917 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:05:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09651P7004770 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:05:01 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0964jqd013724 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:04:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 17908 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 06:04:45 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 06:04:45 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E50921256E8; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:01:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:01:23 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question Message-ID: <20050109060123.GH1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41D40920.8040103@tampabay.rr.com> <41D42F40.3070303@tampabay.rr.com> <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.973, required 6, AWL -0.46, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:34:03PM -0500, Branko wrote: > OK. I've tried everything suggested and concluded the original Mobo is > bad (maybe a small brown mark on top of the Southbridge chip should have > been a giveaway..). > So the new Mobo came in (Foxconn 845GV4MR-ES; from NewEgg). Tore up the > ol' rig, installed the CPU (Celeron 2.6GHz Northwood), the RAM (256K > PC2700), connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the on-board Intel > video) and... and nothing! No beeps, nothing on the screen. The CPU and > PSU fans are spinning, but the thing is dead. > After building a few 'puters, I have not have this happen to me (yet). > So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU voltage, reseated > RAM and CPU, and still nothing! No beeps of any kind, no BIOS screen, > not even the monitor LED turns green (stays orange.. no signal). > Should I classify this Mobo as: DOA? > B. FWIW, when I've seen this before, it was because the motherboard was accidentally grounded one way or another to the case. I've had to unmount the motherboard from the case, with minimal add-on cards in place to discover this. Just a suggestion. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 01:22:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j096MgCI016092 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:22:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j096MgAI016091 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:22:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j096MfCI016087 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:22:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j096MfP7005852 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:22:41 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j096MPNd011500 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:22:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 20062 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 06:22:25 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 06:22:25 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DB36D1256E8; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:19:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:19:03 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Masquerading as me Message-ID: <20050109061903.GJ1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from destinations on big networks. Someone is spamming random names on large networks like hawaii.rr.net and cox.net using my email address as the "From". I can route the bounce messages to /dev/null, but that's not really the point. Anyone know how to stop the masquerading in the first place (other than not having your email address visible anywhere)? I know, probably a dumb question, but I had to ask. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 01:30:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j096UtCI016176 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:30:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j096UtnL016175 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:30:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j096UsCI016171 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:30:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j096UrP7006258 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:30:53 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j096UKNd012682 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:30:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 21604 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2005 06:30:19 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2005 06:30:19 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 32D951256E8; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:27:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:27:02 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] More Masquerading as me Message-ID: <20050109062702.GK1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here's part of the headers of a message bounce from someone masquerading as me: ========= The following message to was undeliverable. The reason for the problem: 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: abd-al-halimk@hawaii.rr.com' Final-Recipient: rfc822;abd-al-halimk@hawaii.rr.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 (permanent failure) Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 5.1.0 - Unknown address error 550-'5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: abd-al-halimk@hawaii.rr.com' (delivery attempts: 0) Reporting-MTA: dns; orngca-mx-01.mgw.rr.com Return-Path: odhqbzvqvuRobin Rudd Received: from 147.136.216.88 (HELO h-64-105-67-188.sttnwaho.dynamic.covad.net) (176.182.80.108) by mta152.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:24:21 -0700 Received: from pTdynamic.covad.net (36.0.225.234) by 6.i93mta348.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 12:24:21 -0700 Received: by 195.200.234.120 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:23:38 -0400 (EDT) X-MID: Message-Id: From: "Robin Rudd" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: To: abd-al-halimj@hawaii.rr.com Cc: abd-al-halimk@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-haliml@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimm@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimn@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimo@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimp@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimq@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimr@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halims@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimu@hawaii.rr.com, abd-al-halimx@hawaii.rr.com Subject: Pre-approved Application #PIQPP805 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; ========== Assuming I were to try to contact the abuse@ address of somewhere to try to curb this type of thing, what address would I use? I see covad.net, gmail.com, and yahoo.com as likely candidates, but which one should I actually contact? Or should I consider any addresses in the headers as suspect? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 01:55:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j096tXCI016340 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:55:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j096tXbe016339 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:55:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j096tWCI016335 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:55:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j096tVP7007591 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:55:32 -0500 Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j096tI1d026557 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:55:18 -0500 Received: from [4.8.102.24] by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050109065515.BWOS7873.out006.verizon.net@[4.8.102.24]> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 00:55:15 -0600 Message-ID: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:59:29 -0500 From: Maureen User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DVD question X-Enigmail-Version: 0.85.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.8.102.24] at Sun, 9 Jan 2005 00:55:15 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.34, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all, Hope your holidays were peaceful and full of fun. I worked new years eve and it was not either. anyway.... I am getting ready to rebuild my AMD Duron 800 with FIC motherboard to an Abit KV7-V motherboard and AMD Athlon XP 2900+ processor. I will use my existing Floppy, Sony CD-RW. My question is this. If I get a DVD+R combo with CD-RW does it do a good job at both DVD and CD or is it best to get just a DVD? I know this is probably a minor question but I have not ventured into DVD yet. Also what diff is there in flat ATA cables and the rounded ones. I will also be using my existing hd's. I am replacing my power supply and cables and one of my case fans (it has become very noisy). I use Mandarke 10.1. I will also get a new video card. I am not big into games but do have some. I have heard how hard it is to get nVidia to work that I am shying away from it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I do edit photos and do a lot of graphics. TIA Maureen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 02:42:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j097glCI016706 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:42:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j097glYE016705 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:42:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j097gkCI016701 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:42:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j097gjP7010581 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:42:45 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j097gauR002324 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:42:36 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so418522wri for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:42:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=h3cFOYdpY883IR4VXZ/wx0GigMxwCXioPBpV33pbT8UyJG5VtdN3dA6/SOv5IkNeQ3KmGSlASXueTxB2SaB86O5cjV2qPy7znppxPWdhfU0dx/bOv4wd5M00Mx+r7D4qtNsV/Xqyp30dvP6VoCdXADfon8WJK7OlLQ9JPhoAKfA= Received: by 10.54.43.75 with SMTP id q75mr341962wrq; Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.49.63 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:42:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8b361d390501082342fbb562f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 02:42:36 -0500 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question In-Reply-To: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net most do just as good a job as normal CDRW drives. if your thinking of removing it i wouldnt because you can use it for disk to disk copying. i would suggest instead of a DVD+R to get a multiformat burner because it looks like DVD-RW is going to win this the came as CD-RW did. the benefit of rounded cables is improved airflow and a cleaner appearance if you have a clearsided case. the airflow benefit is marginal at best but if your case is really loaded (4 optical drives and 10 HDDs) then you need all the airflow you can get. On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:59:29 -0500, Maureen wrote: > Hi all, > Hope your holidays were peaceful and full of fun. I worked new > years eve and it was not either. anyway.... > > I am getting ready to rebuild my AMD Duron 800 with FIC motherboard > to an Abit KV7-V motherboard and AMD Athlon XP 2900+ processor. I will > use my existing Floppy, Sony CD-RW. My question is this. If I get a > DVD+R combo with CD-RW does it do a good job at both DVD and CD or is it > best to get just a DVD? I know this is probably a minor question but I > have not ventured into DVD yet. Also what diff is there in flat ATA > cables and the rounded ones. I will also be using my existing hd's. I > am replacing my power supply and cables and one of my case fans (it has > become very noisy). > I use Mandarke 10.1. I will also get a new video card. I am not > big into games but do have some. I have heard how hard it is to get > nVidia to work that I am shying away from it. Any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. I do edit photos and do a lot of graphics. TIA > > Maureen > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 03:40:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j098eOCI017113 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:40:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j098eORA017112 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:40:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j098eMCI017108 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:40:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j098eLPB015104 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:40:22 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j098YNqd005284 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:34:31 -0500 Received: from pool-28.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.208] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 98XKN00 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:33:26 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:39:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501090339.41375.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.437, required 6, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 09 January 2005 01:59, Maureen wrote: > Hi all, > Hope your holidays were peaceful and full of fun. I worked new > years eve and it was not either. anyway.... > > I am getting ready to rebuild my AMD Duron 800 with FIC > motherboard to an Abit KV7-V motherboard and AMD Athlon XP 2900+ > processor. I will use my existing Floppy, Sony CD-RW. My question > is this. If I get a DVD+R combo with CD-RW does it do a good job at > both DVD and CD or is it best to get just a DVD? I know this is > probably a minor question but I have not ventured into DVD yet. Also > what diff is there in flat ATA cables and the rounded ones. I will > also be using my existing hd's. I am replacing my power supply and > cables and one of my case fans (it has become very noisy). > I use Mandarke 10.1. I will also get a new video card. I am not > big into games but do have some. I have heard how hard it is to get > nVidia to work that I am shying away from it. Any suggestions would > be greatly appreciated. I do edit photos and do a lot of graphics. > TIA Maureen, Just off the top of my head, getting late, if you are going to be running a 64 bit AMD then you MUST go with the nvidia cards. None of the others support this config. I also had these same trepidations but switched to the nvidia. Not a big deal to set up. I am running SuSE and know nothing of Mandrake so your mileage may vary. Nvivia is the only card maker that fully supports Linux and their drivers are available on their website. Go with the DVD rw + - whatever options you can find and it will support. Will do everything you need it to do and is the latest technology. Keep the CD-RW if you have room for it. I have both and use it to copy/write from disk to disk. Good luck and have fun. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 06:20:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09BKrCI018411 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:20:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09BKrgD018410 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:20:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09BKqCI018406 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:20:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09BKqP7027851 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:20:52 -0500 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09BKOqd008771 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:20:28 -0500 Received: from 653415hfc160.tampabay.rr.com ([65.34.15.160]:2893 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnb7C-0000zY-8u for slug@nks.net; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:20:10 -0500 Message-ID: <41E11359.4080306@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 06:19:53 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Masquerading as me References: <20050109061903.GJ1284@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050109061903.GJ1284@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.269, required 6, AWL -0.71, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from destinations on big networks. >Someone is spamming random names on large networks like hawaii.rr.net >and cox.net using my email address as the "From". > You can inform the admins ("abuse@") for rr.net and cox.net, but that's about it. Natch, our heavily-published corporate email site aliases (editors@, etc.) get abused like this all the time. I have a canned email reply I send to people who complain to use about the spam "we're" sending, and we filter heavily. That's about all we can do. So you know, most of the zombies used to do these Joe Jobs (trade slang for fake "from" email addresses, because the first known victim was named Joe) have been in China, S. Korea or former Soviet Union countires. We used to trace them and inform admins, but no one in those countries ever responds, assuming their admins can read English email. Be careful about blocking originitating IPs. As you may recall, for a while last year I had trouble getting through to this list from Verizon DSL. They'd given me an IP that had gotten onto several black hole lists because a former user had run a (no doubt unwitting) spam zombie on it. And emailing so-and-so@cox.net -- the user -- usually does no good. Their email inboxes are likely to be full of bounces already. Welcome to the modern Internet. Filter, grin, and bear. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 06:24:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09BOkCI018439 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:24:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09BOk8X018438 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:24:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09BOjCI018434 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:24:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09BOiP7028084 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:24:45 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09BOTr1000940 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:24:29 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so133219wra for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:24:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=s8I1PIMpTy+bYNRzU7vBoGqFkga9Jvq6BBIGMBgGpluEgoXW/mzf9MAtQ7KGoEHevBgZXIajRSBLdSqQIOd6EcNRJO3mHWiv4zp125eexqfCf5CPDResDyDVGznL9Zrlte3hbZyi6L0zoO5CZ6rfflegKEDURWU5OqAERSPR9P4= Received: by 10.54.26.72 with SMTP id 72mr66485wrz; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 03:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.23.63 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 03:24:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 06:24:29 -0500 From: John To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question Cc: My GMail2 In-Reply-To: <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41D40920.8040103@tampabay.rr.com> <41D42F40.3070303@tampabay.rr.com> <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 15:34:03 -0500, Branko wrote: > So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU voltage When you say you checked the PSU voltage, did you check the StandyBy 5v? This provides a low wattage source which is always turned on--to allow the mobo to sense when it's supposed to turn on. (pin 9, purple) Also, check the PWR OK line. The power supply sends this to the mobo and the mobo won't turn on without it. (pin 8, gray) John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 07:25:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09CP0CI018860 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:25:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09CP0qi018859 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:25:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09COwCI018855 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:24:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09COwP7031855 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:24:58 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09COgZd028574 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:24:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.136] (24285hfc156.tampabay.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j09COeiM007759 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:24:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 08 January 2005 10:16 pm, Branko wrote: > > Well, I don't see a speaker on the "Mommy", and there is no connector - > or - pin for it.. That kind of surprised me at first, but looking over > the pic @ Foxconn WEB site and the manual, it looks like there is no > speaker (weird). I even plugged speakers in to see if anything happens, > but it's really quiet (I mean really!!). Never seen it before. The thing > of the matter is, it's a cheap box, I'm doing a favor for a friend, but > drives me nuts. Then again, I've never used Foxconn Mobo; I always stay > with ASUS or ABIT, but there was a price consideration here (tight > budget) and this "thing" had good reviews on NewEgg's web site (makes me > wonder who actually writes them, even though I have bought most of my > stuff there and never had a problem..). > Anyway, I'll reassemble everything again in the morning and if I have no > luck, I will send the Mobo back... > I have seen bad CPU's cause this. Although you could have received a MB that was DOA before you send it back, check the CPU using a MB you know to be good or you could end up repeating this scenario. You could also put a known good CPU into the new MB but it sounds like you don't have an extra one laying around. If it turns out to be the CPU then chances are the MB could still be good. FWIW, a lot of the time you can get decent MB & CPU combo deals at or slightly above the cost of either one alone and the combo deals can be worth the extra cost depending on how much you value your time. If one component failed the other components have weathered the same environment and could have a shortened life expectency. You could replace one component and the other could fail a short time later. -- Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 08:36:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09DaECI019357 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:36:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09DaEFI019356 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:36:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09DaDCI019352 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:36:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09DaCP7003744 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:36:12 -0500 Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09DZquR009072 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:35:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([4.47.204.60]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050109133549.VSZM8290.out004.verizon.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:35:49 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question From: vzd1s11k To: SLUG list In-Reply-To: <200501090339.41375.rnr@sanctum.com> References: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> <200501090339.41375.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: GNU Linux Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 08:37:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1105277838.3361.7.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3-1.1.101mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Sun, 9 Jan 2005 07:35:48 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.44, required 6, AWL -0.87, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Maureen, > > Just off the top of my head, getting late, if you are going to be > running a 64 bit AMD then you MUST go with the nvidia cards. None of > the others support this config. I also had these same trepidations but > switched to the nvidia. Not a big deal to set up. I am running SuSE and > know nothing of Mandrake so your mileage may vary. Nvidia is the only > card maker that fully supports Linux and their drivers are available on > their website. With Mandrake (especially download edition) you have to install kernel source for the kernel you choose, download the drivers from Nvidia, run their compile script and then change the driver in xorg.config from nv to nvidia. The purchased edition does all that for you. The download edition does not include any non-GPL software [IE Nvidia drivers] vzd1s11k GNU Linux 100% Microsoft Free and loving it ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 08:39:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09DddCI019382 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:39:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09Dddcm019381 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:39:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09DddCI019377 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:39:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09DdbP9003895 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:39:38 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09DdM1d006250 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:39:22 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j09DdJkv017417 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:39:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <05c001c4f650$9e64a8b0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41D40920.8040103@tampabay.rr.com> <41D42F40.3070303@tampabay.rr.com> <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> <20050109060123.GH1284@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 08:39:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > OK. I've tried everything suggested and concluded the original Mobo is > > bad (maybe a small brown mark on top of the Southbridge chip should have > > been a giveaway..). > > So the new Mobo came in (Foxconn 845GV4MR-ES; from NewEgg). Tore up the > > ol' rig, installed the CPU (Celeron 2.6GHz Northwood), the RAM (256K > > PC2700), connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the on-board Intel > > video) and... and nothing! No beeps, nothing on the screen. The CPU and > > PSU fans are spinning, but the thing is dead. > > After building a few 'puters, I have not have this happen to me (yet). > > So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU voltage, reseated > > RAM and CPU, and still nothing! No beeps of any kind, no BIOS screen, > > not even the monitor LED turns green (stays orange.. no signal). > > Should I classify this Mobo as: DOA? > > B. > > FWIW, when I've seen this before, it was because the motherboard was > accidentally grounded one way or another to the case. I've had to > unmount the motherboard from the case, with minimal add-on cards in > place to discover this. Just a suggestion. > > Paul The brass standoff may be too wide or slightly offcenter where it contacts the pad on the solder side of the mobo, and hits a trace? Use a fiber washer between the standoff surface and the solder pad. Ground is still maintained through the screw body, from the component side pad, to the standoff threads. I've been 'bit' by that scenario but on older boards. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 09:22:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09EMDCI019692 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:22:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09EMDYV019691 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:22:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09EMCCI019687 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:22:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09EMBP9006514 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:22:12 -0500 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09ELuuR014299 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:21:56 -0500 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cndx6-0003QB-95 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 09:21:56 -0500 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AEDF470C9F2 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 24.144.85.166 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:25:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1070.24.144.85.166.1105280732.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <20050109061903.GJ1284@quillandmouse.com> References: <20050109061903.GJ1284@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 09:25:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Masquerading as me From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac0549fb11073be4ad3e158122ae7a81d48ce6e359aa6e71bbe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.989, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j09EMDCI019688 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster said: > I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from destinations on big networks. > Someone is spamming random names on large networks like hawaii.rr.net > and cox.net using my email address as the "From". I can route the bounce > messages to /dev/null, but that's not really the point. Anyone know how > to stop the masquerading in the first place (other than not having your > email address visible anywhere)? I know, probably a dumb question, but I > had to ask. > > Paul Check out Sender Policy Frmaework at http://spf.pobox.com/ It's been a while since I've done anything with SPF, but here is how I remember it. This may not be accurate, see the above website for more details. It's not something that you can install on your mail system and be done with it. In a nutshell, you add an SPF DNS record that states which servers can send email from your domains. Then, SMTP servers that have been configured to use SPF check for these records before accepting mail. If there is no SPF record, I believe they generally accept the mail. If the sending server has an SPF record, the mail is also accepted. If the sending server is not listed as an authorized sender for your domain, they reject the mail. Since they know that the server is not one of yours, they don't bother to send you a bounce message. Of course, this solution depends on the receiving mail systems to check for SPF records. It is fairly simple to add an SPF record to your DNS zone. The SPF website above has a wizard to help you get the syntax right. Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 11:01:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09G1JCI020343 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:01:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09G1Jl2020342 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:01:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09G1ICI020338 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:01:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09G1HP7011605 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:01:17 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09G12r1027293 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:01:02 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j09G10rP007100 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:01:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:00:23 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question In-Reply-To: <41E043BB.9050306@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU voltage, reseated > RAM and CPU, and still nothing! No beeps of any kind, no BIOS screen, > not even the monitor LED turns green (stays orange.. no signal). > Should I classify this Mobo as: DOA? My mobos have an LED that indicate when it's "hot". Does this have one, and is it on? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please. Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 11:24:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09GO0CI020485 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:24:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09GO08w020484 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:24:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09GNxCI020480 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:24:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09GNxP9012692 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:23:59 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09GNINd021452 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:23:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j09GNGkv018720 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:23:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E15A88.2040601@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:23:36 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No LED on Mobo.. I took it out from the case, reconnected and tried, same result. Took out PSU and tested it with PSU tester (a little dongle with a switch and a LED) and my voltmeter. Everything seems OK. I connected the PSU to another 'puter (ol' PII box), runs like a a champ. Don't really feel like it, but I'm gonna "strip" the wifes' 'puter (it's also Socket 478 with PC2700 RAM) and try that. Will post later. Thank you all for the input so far.... B ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 13:29:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09IThCI021363 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:29:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09IThmG021362 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:29:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09ITgCI021358 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:29:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09ITfP9019853 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:29:42 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09ITauR005120 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:29:36 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so684801rna for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eNArOYL1gwHtimRvY/dJ+btcfjNdMm1ZIwxnx6+qi+106kOjITKrNxsDyMWJxlVY85KSaaBlY6SYL6NxC6uUSBJ5pHpv8WkBrnfLji8WzMyGZk+XK8AkWvod/OUpay0fUJcC7r530uojoyJxuC713YAwmiQh9APUCioZcvhDQbg= Received: by 10.38.90.52 with SMTP id n52mr113694rnb; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:29:35 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] ma tavla mi zo'e la lojban Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.39, required 6, AWL -0.51, BAYES_00 -4.90, FS_OBFU_J 1.02) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Any SLUGgers know lojban? At least a little? (http://lojban.org) It's a fun language. ma tavla mi zo'e la lojban means: ma tavla me zo'e la lojban What / who talks to me about something unspecified in lojban? While: "ko badna .uu" is a command to "be a banana" with a sense of pity (.uu). Anyway, any lojban speakers? :) -- "Oh, you cannae shove yer granny off a bus, Oh, you cannae shove yer granny off a bus, you cannae shove your granny, 'cause she's yer mammy's mammy." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 14:17:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09JHNCI021682 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:17:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09JHNUU021681 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:17:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09JHMCI021677 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:17:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09JHKP7022798 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:17:21 -0500 Received: from web52204.mail.yahoo.com (web52204.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.86]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j09JH2r1012182 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 14:17:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 52039 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2005 19:17:01 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=NBVwMRTqknT3xInrO+j4dZO/b7GG7Ug9qRtwWgpUtUqsDL9QXwqAQ2zE20jj+lyfFOWnueLWr2//BQrLOThCs0TFtfN0J5GdxlMlxARyPWVjZAWvPmSSvPjW0Zjiz9uvGb+noPzcontzUkMfnrCNR1rNzxF6Bw9vF80x4MT9eeQ= ; Message-ID: <20050109191701.52037.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.22.199.141] by web52204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 11:17:01 PST Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 11:17:01 -0800 (PST) From: gregory ogden Subject: [SLUG] installing flash in fedora To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello all, I am a complete novice when it comes to linux and computing in general. I have been trying to install flash player, following the instructions given by macromedia, but to no avail. I am running the latest fedora core and everything else seems to be working fine. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Gregg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 15:22:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09KMwCI022130 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:22:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09KMw5i022129 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:22:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09KMvCI022125 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:22:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09KMvP7026145 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:22:57 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09KMar1017876 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:22:36 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so698733rna for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:22:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fxt+o9n5mcK4rHhiuYqxQ6QmiN32LUrTTGV7xBO0EArpXEddenMOhOBsavXQazPAYpbB2ldtmSCYzDlhPUkE8QuCrghjxyLGWdpGTw0DFEyM2NLUILASR9UD/t1zyrLu/MAWPCAEdEpGPxJd05/9eiWohBwP/n1p9MNDK6x1XsU= Received: by 10.38.102.17 with SMTP id z17mr3399rnb; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 12:22:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:22:34 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Masquerading as me In-Reply-To: <20050109061903.GJ1284@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050109061903.GJ1284@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 01:19:03 -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > I'm getting a lot of bounce messages from destinations on big networks. > Someone is spamming random names on large networks like hawaii.rr.net > and cox.net using my email address as the "From". Ah, so I should disregard those emails from you claiming you're the widow of a rich South African businessman that needs some funds transferred to the Netherlands? -- "Oh dear, what can the matter be? Seven old ladies, got stuck in the lavatry. They were there from Sunday come Saturday, nobody knew they were there!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 16:00:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09L0ECI022396 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:00:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09L0EkM022395 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:00:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09L0DCI022391 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:00:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09L0CP7027763 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:00:13 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09Kxtr1019878 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 15:59:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F6D56 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:00:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E19B0E.7090706@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:58:54 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] installing flash in fedora References: <20050109191701.52037.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050109191701.52037.qmail@web52204.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.239, required 6, AWL 0.01, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net gregory ogden wrote: > Hello all, > I am a complete novice when it comes to linux > and computing in general. I have been trying to > install flash player, following the instructions given > by macromedia, but to no avail. I am running the > latest fedora core and everything else seems to be > working fine. Any suggestions would be appreciated. About all you have to do is copy flashplayer.xpt and libflashplayer.so to the plugins directory of your web browser. For example, if you are using the firefox browser installed into /opt/firefox: (as root) mkdir -p /opt/firefox/plugins cp flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so /opt/firefox/plugins You can also install into your home directory. Most applications will create a directory in your home dir and you can modify this without root access. For example, the Mozilla browser creates the following directories: /home/kwan/.mozilla/default/d28skd1sa.slt/ To install here I would do: mkdir -p /home/kwan/.mozilla/default/d28skd1sa.slt/plugins cp libflashplayer.so flashplayer.xpt ~/.mozilla/default/d28skd1sa.slt/plugins (Above command should be on one line). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 16:38:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09LcMCI022648 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:38:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09LcMqM022647 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:38:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09LcLCI022643 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:38:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09LcLP7029342 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:38:21 -0500 Received: from web52207.mail.yahoo.com (web52207.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.89]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j09LbtNd025222 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:37:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 85714 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2005 21:37:55 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=o9dLI6WHYClLGy/84N9FcddYA6e/zvUi9e+Sbb2DjYJrWriJwpCNvBBA1rap1vE6UaiMJKQXL744v1+DsV+VRQL0Ju9NKbZh02NoTQx19Cf3Y0Kqun1pFYEnlEPskPnenaKCSxGvgJTnG9/ppqqxQF+yd5hqP+ouarsJtEYWVyM= ; Message-ID: <20050109213755.85712.qmail@web52207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.22.199.141] by web52207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:37:55 PST Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 13:37:55 -0800 (PST) From: gregory ogden Subject: Re: [SLUG] installing flash in fedora To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41E19B0E.7090706@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the info. I'll try later when I have some time and post the ( hopefully positive ) results. --- Kwan Lowe wrote: > gregory ogden wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am a complete novice when it comes to > linux > > and computing in general. I have been trying to > > install flash player, following the instructions > given > > by macromedia, but to no avail. I am running the > > latest fedora core and everything else seems to be > > working fine. Any suggestions would be > appreciated. > > About all you have to do is copy flashplayer.xpt and > libflashplayer.so > to the plugins directory of your web browser. For > example, if you are > using the firefox browser installed into > /opt/firefox: > > > (as root) > mkdir -p /opt/firefox/plugins > > cp flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so > /opt/firefox/plugins > > > You can also install into your home directory. Most > applications will > create a directory in your home dir and you can > modify this without root > access. For example, the Mozilla browser creates the > following directories: > > /home/kwan/.mozilla/default/d28skd1sa.slt/ > > To install here I would do: > > mkdir -p > /home/kwan/.mozilla/default/d28skd1sa.slt/plugins > > cp libflashplayer.so flashplayer.xpt > ~/.mozilla/default/d28skd1sa.slt/plugins > > (Above command should be on one line). > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 17:38:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09McPCI023067 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:38:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09McP0F023066 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:38:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09McOCI023062 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:38:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09McJP7032106 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:38:24 -0500 Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09Mc4uR028173 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:38:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([4.4.102.92]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050109223804.DMAA24714.out010.verizon.net@[192.168.1.46]> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:38:04 -0600 Message-ID: <41E1B248.5010208@gte.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 17:38:00 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sun, 9 Jan 2005 16:38:03 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.804, required 6, AWL -1.78, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If someone who could price out a new (refurb is possible) fuser for a HP 5000GN Laser printer it would be great. Also does anyone know how hard somthing like this is. I have one with a bad fuser Dont want to toss it out but it taking up a lot of closet space just sitting there. Thanks wee robby snyder ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 18:45:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09Nj6CI023536 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:45:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j09Nj6Gv023535 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:45:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j09Nj5CI023531 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:45:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09Nj4P7002997 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:45:04 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j09Nibr1001153 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:44:37 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so115516wri for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:44:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:message-id; b=NeIwwmSuYz2nmK5SOqhZodeHcE+nNP4zNswiFXmlMpeuYJJCw7oEjqHXVfqdwz/XbM8GrOQ9588yAVplaEQPzesUkm0yqbJXHm5jxhKDsCj4zgT42I/0AdjL3Abs+A4uAFkkTuY2B96fVS2fb4yRXfp1ifxzb23B0ba/s7LRT+o= Received: by 10.54.27.49 with SMTP id a49mr99772wra; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 35sm200567wra.2005.01.09.15.44.36; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 15:44:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:44:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcT2nJndYlcycGsAQI2Lw+hkZSBuLwACF9ew In-Reply-To: <41E1B248.5010208@gte.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: <41e1c1e5.454d230b.6a1a.10a3@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.808, required 6, AWL -0.61, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net For less than the cost of that fuser you could probably buy yourself a new HP LaserJet 1012 (which works in Linux, but it's USB). I have one and it's a nice fast printer that takes up very little desk space. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:38 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. > > If someone who could price out a new (refurb is possible) fuser for a HP > 5000GN Laser printer it would be great. Also does anyone know how hard > somthing like this is. I have one with a bad fuser Dont want to toss > it out but it taking up a lot of closet space just sitting there. > > > Thanks > > wee robby snyder > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 19:03:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A03QCI023674 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:03:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0A03QIp023673 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:03:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A03PCI023669 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:03:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A03OP7004136 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:03:25 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A03CZd032386 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:03:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([4.4.102.92]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050110000309.GKYP12052.out002.verizon.net@[192.168.1.46]> for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:03:09 -0600 Message-ID: <41E1C639.2060908@gte.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:03:05 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. References: <41e1c1e5.454d230b.6a1a.10a3@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41e1c1e5.454d230b.6a1a.10a3@smtp.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:03:09 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.825, required 6, AWL -2.76, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steven Buehler wrote: >For less than the cost of that fuser you could probably buy yourself a new >HP LaserJet 1012 (which works in Linux, but it's USB). I have one and it's >a nice fast printer that takes up very little desk space. > > Only downsides are DirectJet Eithernet card (just plug and play on almost all OSes (loved that feature) 11x17 printing used to do some of that before the fuser died. the printer was built like a tank and has 20,000 different features. hp cert repair place told me 300 but they moved somethwer else. and I refuse to leave it in the hands of uptech computers. I am willing to spend the money on the printer and the toner to have a nice postscript printer that works with so far ever os I thrown at it except I could never get dos support to work right but i doubt i will be using dos anytime soon out side a virtual enivroment. >Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com >Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: >http://renaitre.iuma.com >AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows >Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder >>Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:38 PM >>To: slug@nks.net >>Subject: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. >> >>If someone who could price out a new (refurb is possible) fuser for a HP >>5000GN Laser printer it would be great. Also does anyone know how hard >>somthing like this is. I have one with a bad fuser Dont want to toss >>it out but it taking up a lot of closet space just sitting there. >> >> >>Thanks >> >>wee robby snyder >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 21:56:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A2ukCI024883 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:56:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0A2ukNU024882 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:56:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A2ujCI024878 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:56:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A2uUP9014481 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:56:45 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A2uOuR021473 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0A2uLNi022151; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:56:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E1EED4.8080601@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 02:56:20 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question References: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> <8b361d390501082342fbb562f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8b361d390501082342fbb562f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.322, required 6, AWL -0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > i would suggest instead of a DVD+R to get a multiformat burner because > it looks like DVD-RW is going to win this the came as CD-RW did. Was there ever a CD+RW? Who made those? -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 22:21:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A3LuCI025083 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:21:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0A3LtJJ025082 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:21:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A3LtCI025078 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:21:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A3LsP7016127 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:21:54 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A3LaZd020172 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:21:36 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so753003rna for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:21:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tMuTSnw0yjri5YpYCqlZn4fumIDnhJH75E9io7TBd4r8USQa+OHdxjGcE5lH0yE8d/t56t4D39eDsIGxPxsvhn3TOU9dp/ATIbuwWt3GMQ7J9uApvcyq1nsGTBqyFMeksC1xhadffq3am2DwSd3J1lzszQAdR8FiWuA57OCPLy4= Received: by 10.38.162.4 with SMTP id k4mr155192rne; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.26 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 19:21:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9accff5e0501091921691a7d79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:21:35 -0500 From: Justin Prior To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Added DVD drive... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am running debian sarge and just added a DVD drive that I got from my brother. I know the system recognizes the drive at /dev/hdc (the HDD and the CDRW drive are on the same IDE channel). Now, how do I add the proper line to my /etc/fstab to get the drive work. I have already added: /dev/hdc /media/dvd iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0 I have added the /media/dvd directory. But when I try to mount, nothing. No lights. I know it opens and closes and gets power. Keep in mind I am also using udev. How do I make it work? Thanks in advance. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 9 23:48:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A4mUCI025752 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:48:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0A4mUi8025751 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:48:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A4mRCI025747 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:48:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A4mQP7021181 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:48:26 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A4ltNd022858 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:47:56 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0A4lrNj015737 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:47:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:47:15 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question In-Reply-To: <41E1EED4.8080601@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: > i would suggest instead of a DVD+R to get a multiformat burner because > > it looks like DVD-RW is going to win this the came as CD-RW did. > > Was there ever a CD+RW? Who made those? Never heard of any CD+ variants. (CD+g doesn't count.) -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 00:28:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A5SmCI026041 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:28:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0A5SmM7026040 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:28:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A5SfCI026036 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:28:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A5ScP7024006 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:28:39 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A5SEr1001444 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:28:14 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so525157wri for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:28:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=XhcuX0WRKI5I5awezsBcvf47OOpwEfhKN6a9eikGIrqQQMrD/a3MSqQgUeQTX/yqwNF64FUuLqyrmdC6nJ98b9GjeVS++0gcD3tJjwgM1diUgCi3EvEqMqZ02SBHyRAQoPzL36r7uGJGRQA7YBSqYfRvZboht7fGaHATaBmvfZs= Received: by 10.54.3.47 with SMTP id 47mr154010wrc; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 21:28:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a050109212874b2a89f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:28:13 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E1EED4.8080601@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:47:15 -0500 (EST), Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > > > > i would suggest instead of a DVD+R to get a multiformat burner because > > > it looks like DVD-RW is going to win this the came as CD-RW did. > > > > Was there ever a CD+RW? Who made those? > > Never heard of any CD+ variants. (CD+g doesn't count.) They never existed. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 01:44:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A6iGCI026556 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:44:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0A6iGc4026555 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:44:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0A6i6CI026547 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:44:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A6i2P7029101 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:44:02 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0A6hXqd013364 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:43:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 31429 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2005 06:43:33 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 06:43:32 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 383001256E8; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:40:11 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050110064011.383001256E8@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:40:11 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.01, required 6, AWL -0.42, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 11 January 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Student Services Bldg, Room 108 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 January 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 29 January 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 January 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 3 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 5 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 07:23:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ACNiCI029010 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:23:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0ACNiXJ029009 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:23:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ACNgCI029005 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:23:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ACNfP7018168 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:23:41 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ACNQqd009860 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:23:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E3D0FF978 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 04:23:28 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:21:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41E0D651.8000701@verizon.net> <200501090339.41375.rnr@sanctum.com> <1105277838.3361.7.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> In-Reply-To: <1105277838.3361.7.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501100721.08803.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.129, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I can only speak of Nvidia as being the easiest high-performance video card to install for Linux. In fact, from early-on, they were pro-Linux. ATI can go down the toilet if you ask me. As vendor-supplied drivers go, they have disregarded Linux for too long and only jumped in recently. I am partial to those manufacturers that have stuck it out for us, and that makes me somewhat loyal to them. Regarding DVDs , I'm still wondering how the heck to master a the DVD menu system so I can completely watch DVDs w/o the DVD itself. Sure I can rip all day and expire my disk space, but I still can't find how to preserve everything of my paid asset; hence, a full copy. Anyway, that's not your question, but it's kind of related and just my gripe. Yes, there are several RTFMs out there. I find the whole DVD thing like an artform or something--lots to learn and discuss. /mario On Sunday 09 January 2005 08:37, vzd1s11k wrote: > > Maureen, > > > > Just off the top of my head, getting late, if you are going to be > > running a 64 bit AMD then you MUST go with the nvidia cards. None of > > the others support this config. I also had these same trepidations but > > switched to the nvidia. Not a big deal to set up. I am running SuSE and > > know nothing of Mandrake so your mileage may vary. Nvidia is the only > > card maker that fully supports Linux and their drivers are available on > > their website. > > With Mandrake (especially download edition) you have to install kernel > source for the kernel you choose, download the drivers from Nvidia, run > their compile script and then change the driver in xorg.config from nv > to nvidia. The purchased edition does all that for you. The download > edition does not include any non-GPL software [IE Nvidia drivers] > > vzd1s11k > GNU Linux > 100% Microsoft Free and loving it > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 07:35:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ACZ2CI029112 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:35:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0ACZ2kD029111 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:35:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ACZ1CI029107 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:35:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ACYxP7018838 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:35:00 -0500 Received: from smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.7]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0ACYYNd004451 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:34:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200501101234.j0ACYYNd004451@nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net> Received: from unknown (HELO Kreutz2) (bkreutzer@169.139.222.5 with login) by smtp109.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2005 12:34:29 -0000 From: "'Bruce Kreutzer'" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:34:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <41E1C639.2060908@gte.net> Thread-index: AcT2qScnzSz1JLfcTeGKJQ0Z+TzI1AAZjFgA X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.195, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steven- You can get parts from a company called PrinterWorks. Try this web page: http://www2.printerworks.com/cgi-win/tpwall.exe/Alt?C4110-67921+RG5-3528+HP+ PP+5KGN+Fuser This should be the parts for that printer. I'm not a printer tech and not especially familiar with that model, so you'll have to figure out what it needs. There is pretty good technical info on the printerworks web site, too. If you want repair service, one of our local SLUGgers has a business that does HP factory authorized service. You can contact Tom Ufer at Nextwave Computers (tom.ufer@nextwavecomputer.com). {Disclaimer- I have no business relationship with Tom or Nextwave - ie: you're on your own :) Bruce -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:03 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. Steven Buehler wrote: >For less than the cost of that fuser you could probably buy yourself a new >HP LaserJet 1012 (which works in Linux, but it's USB). I have one and it's >a nice fast printer that takes up very little desk space. > > Only downsides are DirectJet Eithernet card (just plug and play on almost all OSes (loved that feature) 11x17 printing used to do some of that before the fuser died. the printer was built like a tank and has 20,000 different features. hp cert repair place told me 300 but they moved somethwer else. and I refuse to leave it in the hands of uptech computers. I am willing to spend the money on the printer and the toner to have a nice postscript printer that works with so far ever os I thrown at it except I could never get dos support to work right but i doubt i will be using dos anytime soon out side a virtual enivroment. >Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com >Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: >http://renaitre.iuma.com >AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows >Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder >>Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:38 PM >>To: slug@nks.net >>Subject: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. >> >>If someone who could price out a new (refurb is possible) fuser for a HP >>5000GN Laser printer it would be great. Also does anyone know how hard >>somthing like this is. I have one with a bad fuser Dont want to toss >>it out but it taking up a lot of closet space just sitting there. >> >> >>Thanks >> >>wee robby snyder >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 09:01:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AE11CI029669 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:01:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AE11AM029668 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:01:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AE10CI029664 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:01:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AE0sP7024090 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:00:59 -0500 Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AE0j1d022112 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:00:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([4.4.102.92]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050110140045.EDHH8290.out004.verizon.net@[192.168.1.46]> for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:00:45 -0600 Message-ID: <41E28A87.3070503@gte.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:00:39 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question References: <41E1EED4.8080601@tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a050109212874b2a89f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f48492a050109212874b2a89f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:00:45 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.683, required 6, AWL -1.91, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: >On Sun, 9 Jan 2005 23:47:15 -0500 (EST), Eben King > wrote: > > >>On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: >> >> >> >>>>i would suggest instead of a DVD+R to get a multiformat burner because >>>>it looks like DVD-RW is going to win this the came as CD-RW >>>> DVD-RW???? ummm the -R and -RW are the formats going out the door. DVD+r and +RW are the preffered formats for DVDS. +R/RW are more compatible with DVD players especially older ones. So really -RW are going out the door and +RW are in. I use what ever for data storage. Though I did have problems with -R in a couple of older dvd drives, where +Rs worked. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 09:37:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AEbtCI029924 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AEbtG1029923 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AEbsCI029919 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AEbqP9026101 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:54 -0500 Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.71]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0AEbZuR030267 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:37:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 75001 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 14:37:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Z5aR0yb208Ph5P7cdZe7AcrJiwW5GzU83e+/51hrihY21fgfC2B82X+sDkICxezWpP4V3wB0AVCROK2zxG0MQ+i6B7pzZJeyZCbkF25gOpGn4dOfINqnMc9Gl/j+ahT9ShzbrCjPKEIeZGX1JfE16xZ1S7tXyhdp+1aD3Qog660= ; Message-ID: <20050110143734.74999.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.213.1.134] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:37:34 PST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:37:34 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Eanes Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501082203.j08M3lNr009633@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you have ruled out the power supply then most likely it is a configuration problem, or other hardware problem.. ie. the chip is bad, a memory chip is bad. go to the tried and true. test and replace method until you have ruled out each component. You will need a working compatible machine to do this as the one you have is an unknown at this point. >From my experience, the newer technology doesn't always follow the old standards. If this is a jumperless mobo, then config, is usually out of the equation. swap cpu's with a working machine. swap memory with a working machine... and identify wich component is causing the problem. good luck R Eanes --- Ken Elliott wrote: > >> connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the > on-board Intel > >> video) and... and nothing! > > Have you tried another known-good PSU? (i.e. from a > working PC) > > Often, a power line spike will wound the PSU, > causing it to produce an > excessively low voltage. The PC won't work, but the > fans will spin. I > realize this is a new PSU, but that actually makes > it an "unknown". Can you > swap PSUs between two computers and see where the > problem moves? > > Ken Elliott > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf > Of Branko > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 3:34 PM > To: slug@nks.net; My GMail2 > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question > > OK. I've tried everything suggested and concluded > the original Mobo is bad > (maybe a small brown mark on top of the Southbridge > chip should have been a > giveaway..). > So the new Mobo came in (Foxconn 845GV4MR-ES; from > NewEgg). Tore up the ol' > rig, installed the CPU (Celeron 2.6GHz Northwood), > the RAM (256K PC2700), > connected (a brand new) PSU and monitor (to the > on-board Intel > video) and... and nothing! No beeps, nothing on the > screen. The CPU and PSU > fans are spinning, but the thing is dead. > After building a few 'puters, I have not have this > happen to me (yet). > So I re-checked all the connections, checked the PSU > voltage, reseated RAM > and CPU, and still nothing! No beeps of any kind, no > BIOS screen, not even > the monitor LED turns green (stays orange.. no > signal). > Should I classify this Mobo as: DOA? > B. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages posted > are those of the author and do not necessarily > reflect the official policy > or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 10:00:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AF0fCI030096 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:00:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AF0fET030095 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:00:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AF0eCI030091 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:00:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AF0WP7027219 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:00:34 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AF0BZd028551 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:00:16 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so867715rna for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:00:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qFvJTOYUE2g/NtmcbSe0Q/wMXPILviryB6jXL4hp8v6MokjEpBQ9nrrPEXEtbaCTbCCO+b50IATtRDkGPsYre4BzWKo1eDzj3x8Oz77RN3dRvSJqQeSVLR20DxzqUjxWZirRaOT6rwhYIN+lCYp9VGWD1ykTBXvFfDKXbRQO7Rc= Received: by 10.38.10.17 with SMTP id 17mr23514rnj; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:00:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:00:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3105011007004c396fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:00:08 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] More Masquerading as me In-Reply-To: <20050109062702.GK1284@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20050109062702.GK1284@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.83, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I would say 147.136.216.88 is your culprit (turns up registered to belo.com). -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 10:09:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AF99CI030150 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:09:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AF99O9030149 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:09:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AF98CI030145 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:09:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AF97P7027677 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:09:08 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AF8vuR001289 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:08:58 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so869993rna for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:08:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=keGy1W6cu96lTXBGUOd7HuBzkXxB6ZU5C3bf27B2yT6SQHtwcgLovrdzP8KcD3rO9Pt4CabEXbyjmZY4OpWvYNxQoQIdeYsSpcIHCLZusfRSR2URPloy53lnaGddNnSpjZ1SPlQux69ZoMk62iMz1pyCrQMxUy/2kLConXGq9DQ= Received: by 10.38.9.63 with SMTP id 63mr138948rni; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:08:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3105011007087d6e5bae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:08:53 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question In-Reply-To: <41E28A87.3070503@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E1EED4.8080601@tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a050109212874b2a89f@mail.gmail.com> <41E28A87.3070503@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > +R/RW are more compatible with DVD players especially older ones. Hmm, this has been the opposite of my experience. I guess MMDV (my mileage did vary :-P) -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 10:42:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AFgQCI030408 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:42:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AFgQkV030407 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:42:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AFgPCI030403 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:42:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AFgHP7029381 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:42:17 -0500 Received: from web50606.mail.yahoo.com (web50606.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.93]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0AFfqr1031235 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:41:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 13242 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jan 2005 15:41:51 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=c/nxnr79auaJxhugFR6gTX7Ktnxnuh//i71fAecX12dIup35oBUXNXmnZHZ4ptqPUFT3/Lj9vQTZTb8tOx3vpHmMJjAyaIk61J1m+TPxT/EqbxjEH2FHEFbzPlbc5z6AysXNR2HTx85dIBw/wheENV1sLUSOORErUhG7v3lZ6ag= ; Message-ID: <20050110154150.13228.qmail@web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.74.129] by web50606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:41:50 PST Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: perthie Subject: RE: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501101234.j0ACYYNd004451@nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net or if you do get ahold of a fuser, they're really easy to replace. if i remember correctly, that model has two little tabs that you flip up, and the whole thing comes out. unfortunately, i no longer work for an hp shop, so i cant get price quotes. but i could certainly walk you through replacement if necessary. --- 'Bruce Kreutzer' wrote: > Steven- > > You can get parts from a company called PrinterWorks. Try this web > page: > http://www2.printerworks.com/cgi-win/tpwall.exe/Alt?C4110-67921+RG5-3528+HP+ > PP+5KGN+Fuser This should be the parts for that printer. I'm not a > printer > tech and not especially familiar with that model, so you'll have to > figure > out what it needs. There is pretty good technical info on the > printerworks > web site, too. > > If you want repair service, one of our local SLUGgers has a business > that > does HP factory authorized service. You can contact Tom Ufer at > Nextwave > Computers (tom.ufer@nextwavecomputer.com). {Disclaimer- I have no > business > relationship with Tom or Nextwave - ie: you're on your own :) > > Bruce > > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 7:03 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. > > Steven Buehler wrote: > > >For less than the cost of that fuser you could probably buy yourself > a new > >HP LaserJet 1012 (which works in Linux, but it's USB). I have one > and it's > >a nice fast printer that takes up very little desk space. > > > > > Only downsides are > > DirectJet Eithernet card (just plug and play on almost all OSes > (loved > that feature) > 11x17 printing used to do some of that before the fuser died. > > > the printer was built like a tank and has 20,000 different features. > hp > cert repair place told me 300 but they moved somethwer else. and I > refuse to leave it in the hands of uptech computers. I am willing > to > spend the money on the printer and the toner to have a nice > postscript > printer that works with so far ever os I thrown at it except I could > never get dos support to work right but i doubt i will be using dos > anytime soon out side a virtual enivroment. > > >Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com > >Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: > >http://renaitre.iuma.com > >AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows > >Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > >>Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 5:38 PM > >>To: slug@nks.net > >>Subject: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. > >> > >>If someone who could price out a new (refurb is possible) fuser for > a HP > >>5000GN Laser printer it would be great. Also does anyone know how > hard > >>somthing like this is. I have one with a bad fuser Dont want to > toss > >>it out but it taking up a lot of closet space just sitting there. > >> > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>wee robby snyder > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked > >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 11:53:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AGrPCI030882 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:53:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AGrPR1030881 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:53:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AGrNCI030877 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:53:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AGrMP9000569 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:53:23 -0500 Received: from whisk.dreamhost.com (whisk.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AGr2Nd027484 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:53:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by whisk.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25043175111 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:53:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD question From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3105011007087d6e5bae@mail.gmail.com> References: <41E1EED4.8080601@tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a050109212874b2a89f@mail.gmail.com> <41E28A87.3070503@gte.net> <1a3a3e3105011007087d6e5bae@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1105375978.13717.30.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:52:58 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 10:08, Levi Bard wrote: > > +R/RW are more compatible with DVD players especially older ones. > > Hmm, this has been the opposite of my experience. I agree...from my experience with all 4 formats (+R,+RW,-R,-RW) in the hundreds of DVD's we burn at the office, and according to most publications I've read, write once -R's (not RW's) are the best for video and backward compatibility. +R's are better for data as the media design and write method are more fit for chunked packet writing. If you have a few extra hours..... back in September there was a long grueling thread on this to which most of what was said is accurate. See the list archives (http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/slug.archive.0409/) on the subject "Re: [SLUG] Re: pseudo block device piping to smb or nfs". Make sure you read the Re: Slug Re: one about halfway down starting on Sep. 9th. It discusses the way things are written to the different types of media. Good Luck with the rebuild!! Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 12:07:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AH7sCI030985 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AH7s25030984 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AH7rCI030980 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AH7qP7001386 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:53 -0500 Received: from knife.dreamhost.com (knife.dreamhost.com [66.33.219.6]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AH7fqd025383 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by knife.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4512FE484A for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:07:38 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.692, required 6, AWL 0.21, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 07:24, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > I have seen bad CPU's cause this. > > -- Rob This was my experience too. Had an Athlon go bad and all that happened when the box was turned on was spinning fans. Usually you can take everything off the mobo with onboard video (RAM, CPU, IDE Dev's, PCI Dev's) and power it on. If it's good it will POST with video output. If it works with nothing attached, then start adding things one at a time starting with the CPU. HTH Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 13:04:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AI4UCI031407 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AI4UA8031406 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AI4TCI031402 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AI4RP7004131 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:28 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AI48r1012472 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:08 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so35602rne for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:04:07 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=ka7vZtd+4ORwMVcYiFeamIqNOkDN44xX8PtLwIdoDH0d52eD6evRxBwza1rKSmdYcmuAbF4tiUOg6rCHJZYIM6kBTpiPjjtF5RiuwV8bCDyJvELwS0KOmkMKgX/u4t/BE8deZR5dNDQP2+GfD4R9YbWQ62lZqZEpHX7IbKkQBhU= Received: by 10.38.90.66 with SMTP id n66mr104390rnb; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.9 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:04:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31050110100412ba5282@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:04:07 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question In-Reply-To: <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.876, required 6, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Usually you can take > everything off the mobo with onboard video (RAM, CPU, IDE Dev's, PCI > Dev's) and power it on. If it's good it will POST with video output. Many modern motherboards will not POST at all without what they feel are valid CPU, RAM, and video output device. -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 13:06:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AI6HCI031431 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:06:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AI6HtX031430 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:06:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AI6FCI031426 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:06:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AI6BP7004200 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:06:12 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AI5Vqd001692 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:05:31 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5251FF9EF for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:05:32 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Added DVD drive... Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:08:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <9accff5e0501091921691a7d79@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9accff5e0501091921691a7d79@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501101308.40892.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.149, required 6, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 09 January 2005 22:21, Justin Prior wrote: > I am running debian sarge and just added a DVD drive that I got from > my brother. I know the system recognizes the drive at /dev/hdc (the > HDD and the CDRW drive are on the same IDE channel). Now, how do I > add the proper line to my /etc/fstab to get the drive work. > I have already added: > /dev/hdc /media/dvd iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0 I think it should be: /dev/hdc /media/dvd udf,iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0 DVDs are UDF (universal data format??). /mario > I have added the /media/dvd directory. But when I try to mount, > nothing. No lights. I know it opens and closes and gets power. Keep > in mind I am also using udev. How do I make it work? Thanks in > advance. > > Justin > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 14:14:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AJEVCI031900 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AJEVVl031899 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AJEVCI031895 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AJEUP7007833 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:30 -0500 Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AJE9qd012761 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:09 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Co4zQ-0003Ve-Ud for slug@nks.net; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:09 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=o0q2IQhk4db1dg4tg1cfQiiQAwr6mPjS6S5IOXNM+Wpc4YmwQ0nxBBX1ROT4XlNV; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Comic: Lit-I-Gate Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:14:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501101414.17170.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26091378c8cc71d718217eee72bf560baa93667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.348, required 6, AWL -0.14, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, FU_TLD_US 0.20, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20031123 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 14:40:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AJe9CI032102 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:40:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0AJe99B032101 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:40:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0AJe8CI032097 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:40:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AJdhP7009049 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:40:05 -0500 Received: from spatula.dreamhost.com (spatula.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0AJdKqd015669 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:39:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by spatula.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378AC17D048 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:39:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e31050110100412ba5282@mail.gmail.com> References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> <1a3a3e31050110100412ba5282@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1105385953.13717.71.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:39:14 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.707, required 6, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 13:04, Levi Bard wrote: > > Usually you can take > > everything off the mobo with onboard video (RAM, CPU, IDE Dev's, PCI > > Dev's) and power it on. If it's good it will POST with video output. > > Many modern motherboards will not POST at all without what they feel > are valid CPU, RAM, and video output device. Interesting. the few I've tried this on have worked on their own. Guess it depends on the manufacturer. Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 16:57:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ALvjCI000524 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:57:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0ALvj2d000523 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:57:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ALviCI000519 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:57:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ALvdPD016189 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:57:43 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ALu9Nd027693 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:56:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0ALu7rO022002 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E2FA10.4050805@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:56:32 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> <1a3a3e31050110100412ba5282@mail.gmail.com> <1105385953.13717.71.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1105385953.13717.71.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm with you, Mike, on that, but I took a long shot and ordered Foxconn, based on ratings on NewEgg. Did not find anything negative (not a whole lot of anything for that matter) while Googling for it... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 16:58:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ALwjCI000541 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0ALwjcV000540 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ALwiCI000536 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ALwVP7016217 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:37 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ALwGuR009259 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0ALwDNi029549 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E2FA8E.7030501@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:58:38 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.216, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Like I mentioned, I'm going to use CPU and RAM from the wifes' 'puter... tomorrow evening she is in a class, so she'll never know...... Thanks for the input.... /Branko ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 22:15:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0B3FwCI002789 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:15:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0B3FwwO002788 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:15:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0B3FvCI002784 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:15:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0B3FuP7002196 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:15:56 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0B3Fn1d007542 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:15:49 -0500 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0B3Flkv007896 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:15:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501110315.j0B3Flkv007896@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:17:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcT3OBs2kOloeDxSRpKzm/nAYFZJlQAEOJFg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.542, required 6, AWL -0.29, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>Usually you can take everything off the mobo with onboard video (RAM, CPU, IDE Dev's, PCI Dev's) and power it on. If it's good it will POST with video output. Not mine. I get nothing unless I have a good PSU, CPU and RAM. I like to keep two PCs with the same level of technology (Athlon/DDR/ATA) just to make troubleshooting easier. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Mike Branda Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:08 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question On Sun, 2005-01-09 at 07:24, R.G. Mayhue wrote: > I have seen bad CPU's cause this. > > -- Rob This was my experience too. Had an Athlon go bad and all that happened when the box was turned on was spinning fans. Usually you can take everything off the mobo with onboard video (RAM, CPU, IDE Dev's, PCI Dev's) and power it on. If it's good it will POST with video output. If it works with nothing attached, then start adding things one at a time starting with the CPU. HTH Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 22:52:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0B3qtCI003073 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:52:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0B3qtxo003072 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:52:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0B3qsCI003068 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:52:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0B3qrP9004578 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:52:53 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0B3qPr1004120 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:52:25 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so154019rne for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:52:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=sk0JuASG1idwbWkZ4A/0Qw4mjgmfgl9xe1PhaNwMd+YBtSca+M3dts9vPDPQNJMMLoIOXTttfwYH+G7MF6HfUPmJ0L4Kg4nH1UvyXKWRUw0b0iAWlLIyCMPnitM5KIWkPtchtpHBeakI8udrLdb20HOMIoPk8D0ED0D4ZxNfaAg= Received: by 10.38.98.37 with SMTP id v37mr199806rnb; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:52:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.26 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:52:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9accff5e050110195221301249@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:52:24 -0500 From: Justin Prior To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Added DVD drive... In-Reply-To: <200501101308.40892.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <9accff5e0501091921691a7d79@mail.gmail.com> <200501101308.40892.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I ended up adding the line: /dev/hdc /media/dvd auto noauto,user,auto 0 0 Everything seems to be working fine. I will mess with it some more and see what happens. Thanks Justin On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:08:40 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > On Sunday 09 January 2005 22:21, Justin Prior wrote: > > I am running debian sarge and just added a DVD drive that I got from > > my brother. I know the system recognizes the drive at /dev/hdc (the > > HDD and the CDRW drive are on the same IDE channel). Now, how do I > > add the proper line to my /etc/fstab to get the drive work. > > I have already added: > > /dev/hdc /media/dvd iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0 > I think it should be: > /dev/hdc /media/dvd udf,iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0 > > DVDs are UDF (universal data format??). > > /mario > > > I have added the /media/dvd directory. But when I try to mount, > > nothing. No lights. I know it opens and closes and gets power. Keep > > in mind I am also using udev. How do I make it work? Thanks in > > advance. > > > > Justin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 10 23:08:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0B48RCI003194 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:08:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0B48RwC003193 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:08:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0B48QCI003189 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:08:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0B48KP7005585 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:08:26 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0B488uR018837 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:08:08 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0B485Ni019391; Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:08:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E35124.2010508@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 04:08:04 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question References: <200501110315.j0B3Flkv007896@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200501110315.j0B3Flkv007896@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.309, required 6, AWL -0.06, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Usually you can take everything off the mobo with onboard video (RAM, CPU, > IDE Dev's, PCI Dev's) and power it on. If it's good it will POST with video output. > Not mine. I get nothing unless I have a good PSU, CPU and RAM. I like to > keep two PCs with the same level of technology (Athlon/DDR/ATA) just to make > troubleshooting easier. I can't imagine how any mommy board can possibly perform the P.O.S.T. (Pre Operational System Test) without a CPU. What could be executing the test's code to perform the various tests if there is no CPU? -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 11 09:49:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0BEnTCI007789 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:49:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0BEnTdm007788 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:49:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0BEnSCI007784 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:49:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0BEnKP7012863 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:49:27 -0500 Received: from whisk.dreamhost.com (whisk.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.4]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0BEn1Zd017081 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:49:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by whisk.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5BF175119 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 06:49:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41E35124.2010508@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200501110315.j0B3Flkv007896@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <41E35124.2010508@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1105454938.13717.80.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:48:58 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2005-01-10 at 23:08, Ronald KA4INM Youvan wrote: > I can't imagine how any mommy board can possibly perform the P.O.S.T. > (Pre Operational System Test) without a CPU. > What could be executing the test's code to perform the various tests > if there is no CPU? Ron, That definately makes sense.... maybe some form of mobo level IC logic?? But it worked somehow without the cpu and did the spinning fan only thing with it in....no beeps no POST. Hmmmmm..... Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 11 10:16:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0BFGGCI007997 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:16:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0BFGGqr007996 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:16:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0BFGFCI007992 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:16:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0BFGCP7014341 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:16:13 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0BFFwZd021015 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 10:15:58 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so200214rna for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:15:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fKKusQU+D2CW8phdVuXcQtU25tBTgIDAO2sAPnS7UN38XGZuPZfSfc5V5YoXwhQ+Z5AkWfeaHlID0G0WdZTkZ5nKDS8aQ9ql2A1LEJi4vpFZkGSfq3F5B6CNTYNAtDr409D163ZX/Al/6MNeGEy3KsA9jD5CpMDAjU0UYLZKmSw= Received: by 10.38.125.61 with SMTP id x61mr266661rnc; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.5 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:15:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c9057050111071552e6ab7b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 07:15:57 -0800 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Do you run IE still? If so read this one Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looks like MS got another red face on this one. http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22_11-5519091.html?tag=fdnews There are issues with Firefox also but do not appear to be nearly as big a problem as for IE. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 11 17:18:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0BMI2CI010745 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:18:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0BMI2VB010744 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:18:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0BMI1CI010740 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:18:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0BMI0P7004737 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:18:01 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0BMHrr1020336 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:17:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5708512CAB for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04352-01-6 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.238] (p199-227-193-238.max.acun.net [199.227.193.238]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2144618134 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:48:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E3A57D.6010502@acun.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 05:07:57 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. References: <41E1B248.5010208@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <41E1B248.5010208@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.821, required 6, AWL -0.31, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 0.75, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: > If someone who could price out a new (refurb is possible) fuser for a HP > 5000GN Laser printer it would be great. Also does anyone know how hard > somthing like this is. I have one with a bad fuser Dont want to toss > it out but it taking up a lot of closet space just sitting there. > > Thanks > > wee robby snyder Hi Wee Robby! I have had good luck with Express Ink and Paper, 4553 Mariotti Court 105, Sarasota 34233, 927-5500. The place next door to them (can't think of the name) can get it if they can't. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 11 20:24:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C1OXCI012101 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:24:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0C1OXVt012100 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:24:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C1OXCI012096 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:24:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C1OVP9016414 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:24:32 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C1O7Nd031103 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:24:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0C1O5Ni024013 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:24:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E47C38.5050505@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:24:08 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question: It's ALIVE! References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It's ALIVE! Well, I got another CPU (2.66GHz) and RAM (from the wifes' 'puter), plugged in it the (Foxconn) and /IT's ALIVE/! Finally it posted. I took the original "bad" CPU (2.6GHz) and placed it the other (wifes') 'puter and, of course, no POST. Point in case: BAD CPU= No POST. But, out of curiosity, it took the "bad" CPU (2.6) and stuck it in the original Mobo (Trigem Imperial GV), and guess what: POST! Even without RAM, but will not recognize any Keyb, whether PS/2 or USB. As someone mentioned, some Mobos are more selective about CPU's than others.. But of course, there is a catch. After POST-ing and looking over BIOS, I rebooted with the HD connected. It is recognized, starting to boot into OS (WinXP Home), but after loading _mup.sys,_ it stops for about 2 seconds and then it reboots. I guess it's "Google Time". I'm going to connect the CD drive and try Knoppix, to see if that boots OK and post later. Thanks Branko ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 11 20:31:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C1VZCI012182 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:31:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0C1VZsL012181 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:31:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C1VYCI012177 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:31:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C1VWP9016792 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:31:34 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C1V3Nd032317 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:31:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([4.47.204.60]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050112013103.JKIJ12052.out002.verizon.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:31:03 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Any HP printer techs on the list. From: vzd1s11k To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41E3A57D.6010502@acun.com> References: <41E1B248.5010208@gte.net> <41E3A57D.6010502@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: GNU Linux Message-Id: <1105389106.3004.1.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6-2.1.92mdk Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:31:46 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:31:03 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.306, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2005-01-11 at 05:07, Pete Theisen wrote: > Robert Snyder wrote: > > If someone who could price out a new (refurb is possible) fuser for a HP > > 5000GN Laser printer it would be great. Also does anyone know how hard > > somthing like this is. I have one with a bad fuser Dont want to toss > > it out but it taking up a lot of closet space just sitting there. > > > > Thanks > > > > wee robby snyder > > Hi Wee Robby! > > I have had good luck with Express Ink and Paper, 4553 Mariotti Court > 105, Sarasota 34233, 927-5500. The place next door to them (can't think > of the name) can get it if they can't. Area Office Machines (941-365-3343 in Sarasota) fixed my Laserjet 5L for a fair price ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 11 20:54:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C1srCI012344 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:54:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0C1srYq012343 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:54:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C1sqCI012339 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:54:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C1skP7017956 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:54:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C1sduR002916 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:54:39 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0C1sbNi015890 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:54:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E48360.3060301@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:54:40 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question: It's ALIVE! References: <20041230003456.68717.qmail@web50601.mail.yahoo.com> <41E08DF8.30003@tampabay.rr.com> <41E0A216.8040606@tampabay.rr.com> <200501090724.57640.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> <1105376858.13717.38.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> <41E47C38.5050505@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41E47C38.5050505@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.221, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, just as I suspected, Knoppix runs like a champ (too bad I can't convince my friend to run Linux), so I'm going to Google for a solution to the problem. BTW, anybody knows what "mup.sys" is or does? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 11 21:43:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C2hBCI012716 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:43:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0C2hBxM012715 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:43:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C2hBCI012711 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:43:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C2hAPB021120 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:43:10 -0500 Received: from ns16.super-hosts.com (ev1s-216-127-70-115.ev1servers.net [216.127.70.115] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C2h1qd000124 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:43:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.40] (wbar14.tampa1-4-4-146-075.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.4.146.75]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ns16.super-hosts.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j0C2gO507866 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:42:24 -0600 Message-ID: <41E48E8A.9080105@codewolf.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:42:18 -0500 From: Nils Winberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] KVM for use with analog flat panel? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.081, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anyone using a KVM w/ an analog flat panel? Recommendations? My trusty Belkin Omniview SE (c1999) is not playing nicely with my Samsung 712n FP. It works fine with a CRT (955df), but due to moire/focus the Omniview is almost unusable with the FP. Same resolutions, similar refresh (crt=1280x1024@75hz, FP=1280x1024@60 or 70). The FP has a relatively quick 'refresh' (16ms?). . . TIA, Nils ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 01:11:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C6BICI014206 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:11:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0C6BIf8014205 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:11:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C6BHCI014201 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:11:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C6BCP7001192 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:11:15 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C6Arr1006299 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:10:53 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so139254rne for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jA2WOIW908VFg6a8PqgXr4FgLXBdp7hhi2OYpeHNhWO3rFgJXVZDtDM0VuN2g4oIW27FrBy84GVwvC8i43vXUoHXM7ckht8pCPoCZA1LKPcYNfxm8HOF3gZxGdkOoPQQggN0/W1aql4l6F9ZHiZmFi/MKJGhCK3zcOliBkzFurM= Received: by 10.38.22.57 with SMTP id 57mr2338rnv; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:10:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:10:52 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.462, required 6, AWL -1.44, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As tales of (hu)men generally do, ours starts in the beginning. In fact, it starts as the first meeting of the New Year. It is with great apology I say that I cannot, with my mind being only human, not recollect all the names of the many good people that did attend. But, I shall endevour to list those that made themselves memorable or infamous. First off, there is the matter of the title of one Angela -- she has expressed unhappiness with my previous attempts of titular nobility. So, from this moment forward, she will be Angela the Untitled Document. Now, to those in attendence that I do remember the names of: * James the Deaf * Angela the Untitled Document * Bob the Loud * Pat the Oracle, * Leonard du Briefcase * Pat Burke the Phonofile, Knower of URIs, such as http://ipkall.com. * with his Lady, Kae of FXS and FXO. * Caleb the Lucky Hamster (For hamsters have have not wires) * Captain Dave of the U.S.S. Eye of Ra (http://tampascifi.us/) * Mario, the Pirate King * The C Programmer, George * The Microsoft Guy whom sat next to George. * Ryan, who is not named Bryan or Brian, nor a pain in the Asterisk. I think, next meeting (St. Pete SLUG), I will bring a parchment of Paper and implement of Writing and List those names of those which I ask names of, for I ask many names, and recall few. Such is the Natures of the Human mind. Or at least, my mind. Though I think not it inhuman. On the topic of discussion, there was much talk of VoIP from one Pat Burke, and Kae / Kay / Kate Without T. They use it because they are Cheap. Also there was a raffle, and snaffle, which left all baffled. Of course, several of the Assembled did attain later to the Debriefing Session at the Benigan's, where there was talk of finaces, money, IRA, and the IRA. Blarney stones, Greek and Irish theivery genes present in some of the Assembled. Taxes, Tax Havens, and Tax Fraud were also entertained. Not seriously, of course, for SLUG people are of course law abiding citizenry. At least, the just laws. There was also talk of having an Asterisk Party. Preview: **************************************** Also, Pat Burke would very much like people to phone him. So, email talkcheap@gmail.com and ask for one of his many phone numbers, and have at it. I hear he really likes recieving calls in Swahili and Yiddish at 3:00AM. And with that, EOF ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 01:21:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C6LtCI014286 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0C6Lsfj014285 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0C6LsCI014281 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C6LqP9001908 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:53 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0C6Lar1007020 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:37 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id g11so140239rne for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:21:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TiJVU2aQio+tJC1zeTYbomzcWESPfh/H7ITpRHYovMhghf7zpEcgHSDq2Qco9Hs+n67whOKXX16fz3qJJ3fnfHK1wDnZegPVRsczzaV+81LZbLKJytmCIPrQb7dVVQTccpd2n5wnGVJMLsdLI5HsZsAkrRjp/tyXEiniMjBnIt8= Received: by 10.38.13.79 with SMTP id 79mr604896rnm; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:21:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:21:36 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Re: From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.459, required 6, AWL -1.24, BAYES_00 -4.90, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:10:52 -0500, Dylan Hardison wrote: > As tales of (hu)men generally do, ours starts in the beginning. > In fact, it starts as the first meeting of the New Year. That is, the first Tampa meeting of the new year. To be clear. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 08:29:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CDTuCI017341 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CDTu8N017340 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CDTtCI017336 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CDTrP7026774 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:54 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CDTPqd028286 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.106] (43-181.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0CDTONi023903 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501121329.j0CDTONi023903@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: jeff To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Port 11768 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.996, required 6, AWL 0.91, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:30:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 X-Fun: Without walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501120830.59828.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> Status: R X-Status: NQ X-KMail-EncryptionState: X-KMail-SignatureState: X-KMail-MDN-Sent: Does anyone know what is up with 11768? My logs show a big spike of blocked traffic directed at that port. I found some outdated links on Google about it, but nothing within the past year. Is there some new Windows exploit or something? Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 09:13:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CEDYCI017647 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:13:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CEDY0l017646 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:13:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CEDXCI017642 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:13:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CEDJP7029562 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:13:21 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CEDA1d020171 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:13:10 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so467050cwc for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:13:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CfcHz+bBYR3Khwkg4swaUxR4FU6pI+o83IsrIlrdvm8LFNrEWoeOvGoqJU18Kg0pPYo169VEBW8h6vLc9xcKi6djdl/Iw6Wa2zpWXDP5KVLUCNa/RJuYGQ1lyAoXbhXoXinJXDckeVfpfpPp5ilrSXCn3zp83jw0vVruvWrroaE= Received: by 10.11.94.36 with SMTP id r36mr487845cwb; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:13:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd0501120613485b3085@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:13:09 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Port 11768 In-Reply-To: <200501121329.j0CDTONi023903@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501121329.j0CDTONi023903@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.viruslist.com/en/weblog?weblogid=157621323 ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 10:04:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CF4sCI018044 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CF4sRA018043 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CF4rCI018039 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CF4jP7032702 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:50 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CF4Y1d027421 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:35 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0CF4WNs021991 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:04:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Port 11768 In-Reply-To: <200501121329.j0CDTONi023903@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Does anyone know what is up with 11768? My logs show a big spike of blocked > traffic directed at that port. I found some outdated links on Google about > it, but nothing within the past year. > > Is there some new Windows exploit or something? Probably: http://www.buoy.com/pipermail/lilug/2005-January/025849.html -- "Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century, which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as Poland." - Unknown from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 10:21:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CFLlCI018182 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:21:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CFLl5p018181 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:21:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CFLjCI018177 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:21:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CFLhP7001184 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:21:44 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CFLRZd027496 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:21:27 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so814940wri for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:21:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=qnwEaWKQfkdRp+dWYq3J+Ls9jIFHFzO4Ow7PJI8+Mj7Pk14knTsQ4V8glbCNm4L1VXRBBWHJf5BXlcWOAsotf1ihyft9orspzYDvAnD0L0jxDbT5RtpD+OsBIOowhdG7/seBmZGNqjlsJ9oc3spHRXx19Sl7pXeCRu98I1eRfGk= Received: by 10.54.19.47 with SMTP id 47mr548994wrs; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:21:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.17.2 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:21:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:21:26 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.023, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:10:52 -0500, Dylan Hardison wrote: > As tales of (hu)men generally do, ours starts in the beginning. > In fact, it starts as the first meeting of the New Year. > * Captain Dave of the U.S.S. Eye of Ra (http://tampascifi.us/) Hey, that's me. Finally subbed to the list. Let the games begin. -- Regards, Dave Lowe Tampa Bay, FL Registered Linux User #375232 http://www.davedorm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 11:56:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CGuHCI018835 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CGuHGH018834 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CGuHCI018830 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CGuGP7006317 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:16 -0500 Received: from web50609.mail.yahoo.com (web50609.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.248]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0CGu3Nd004002 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:56:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 52899 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2005 16:56:02 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EKZk/FeQY0617y2NI7zs/WdQ6aMtHr/F6OCg62HfLuD00OCOIq5em5mRSU3B0JNHRn9qX+09hWQj5ovOIfl7spVmcbyRaye8sZOZtvF8B95dGJUoI6nulQKC/etIsR9LWDFwvMZqtL78RWJRfBJg8ITzrzFVvIXTXzzu0m8XHlU= ; Message-ID: <20050112165602.52897.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.74.129] by web50609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:56:02 PST Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question: It's ALIVE! To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41E47C38.5050505@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > mentioned, some Mobos are more selective about CPU's than others.. > But of course, there is a catch. After POST-ing and looking over > BIOS, I > rebooted with the HD connected. It is recognized, starting to boot > into > OS (WinXP Home), but after loading _mup.sys,_ it stops for about 2 > seconds and then it reboots. was xp installed on that system originally? xp is absolutely intolerant of major hardware changes. > I guess it's "Google Time". > I'm going to connect the CD drive and try Knoppix, to see if that > boots > OK and post later. > Thanks > Branko > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 12:01:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CH1pCI018887 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:01:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CH1pxa018886 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:01:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CH1pCI018882 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:01:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CH1lP9006693 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:01:48 -0500 Received: from web50608.mail.yahoo.com (web50608.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.95]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0CH1H1d008500 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:01:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 61936 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jan 2005 17:01:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=vxL+oIPfGwRrEnzxH36OihMJNfKSBnu0XS+jkolHVrERTyPvOS0oNh78Yw42TmKa9kPHhTjhkia9a/Rm1zZivGh5KHfTtljoua4hfhuMVZ+LAtXZ35kgUIZA8WofkJfRN2sXGc8Q1jPJVAEgtjX5iW7AAbaPs1PcC6n/b3sd8GE= ; Message-ID: <20050112170116.61934.qmail@web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.74.129] by web50608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:01:16 PST Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:01:16 -0800 (PST) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question: It's ALIVE! To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41E48360.3060301@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- Branko wrote: > Well, just as I suspected, Knoppix runs like a champ (too bad I can't > > convince my friend to run Linux), so I'm going to Google for a > solution > to the problem. BTW, anybody knows what "mup.sys" is or does? mup.sys probably isnt the problem. you can disable mup.sys using the recovery console, and itll still reboot after the driver that loads before mup.sys (we see this behavior here at work every time we move a hard drive from one system to another with a different chipset without completely reinstalling windows). > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 14:06:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CJ6nCI019702 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:06:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CJ6nEL019701 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:06:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CJ6mCI019697 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:06:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CJ6lP7013677 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:06:48 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CJ5YNd006454 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:06:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.160] ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07805 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:51:37 -0500 Message-ID: <41E57392.5000607@washpat.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:59:30 -0500 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.476, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL 0.78) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have the presentation from the last meeting on DVD (Paul Kunz), 2 to be precise. I have not looked at them yet. It was actually a surprise from my girlfriend. I am not very familiar with ripping or converting DVD's. I have done some playing around but that is about it. I will need some input and help to get this video to the rest of the group. If someone is will to handle the work of extracting the video off and converting it to mpeg I will gladly fedex the DVD's to them. If not, anyone know the correct applications to perform this little process? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 14:30:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CJUGCI019892 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CJUF4P019891 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CJUFCI019887 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CJU9P7014880 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:14 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CJTsqd032525 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:29:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9013AFFB4B for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:30:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501121428.40760.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.73, required 6, AWL -1.41, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 12 January 2005 10:21, Dave Lowe wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:10:52 -0500, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > As tales of (hu)men generally do, ours starts in the beginning. > > In fact, it starts as the first meeting of the New Year. > > > > * Captain Dave of the U.S.S. Eye of Ra (http://tampascifi.us/) > > Hey, that's me. Finally subbed to the list. Let the games begin. Welcome, Dave! Thanks for coming last night. It was a large turnout. I hope this is a sign of things to come :) /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 14:30:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CJUZCI019899 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CJUZth019898 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CJUYCI019894 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CJUNP9014892 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:30:33 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CJTtZd024258 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:29:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19EE6FFB4F for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:33:06 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41E57392.5000607@washpat.com> In-Reply-To: <41E57392.5000607@washpat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501121433.06920.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.5, required 6, AWL -1.30, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Aaron, I've used "dvd::rip" with success. It's a bit of a chore, but it can be done. http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip Contact me off-list if you want me to do the honors. Don't use SLUG in the subject though (filter). /mario On Wednesday 12 January 2005 13:59, aaron steimle wrote: > I have the presentation from the last meeting on DVD (Paul Kunz), 2 to > be precise. I have not looked at them yet. It was actually a surprise > from my girlfriend. > > I am not very familiar with ripping or converting DVD's. I have done > some playing around but that is about it. I will need some input and > help to get this video to the rest of the group. If someone is will to > handle the work of extracting the video off and converting it to mpeg I > will gladly fedex the DVD's to them. If not, anyone know the correct > applications to perform this little process? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 16:16:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CLGYCI020588 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CLGYLv020587 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CLGXCI020583 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CLGWP7020725 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:32 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CLGBuR011420 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:11 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so393211wri for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:16:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=X0n92wp2HpyY+gcoI9OJAgWOuXM+FB771zs7zndKjdQ4b/VewT3u2n1NjWoTNYAG+3apSmryIWJIAL1QlZ1vJVj+lgjAF1kJ7+AkfFP2ar2AyeHAiYy0Jfey/zY3yPsc6upytdZuKzn6kSb0bLfyWrjyNeXa+inz7lz0SN38yBo= Received: by 10.54.2.57 with SMTP id 57mr18215wrb; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:16:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.8.19 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:16:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22e1856d050112131669227786@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:03 -0500 From: Tyler Vann-Campbell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 In-Reply-To: <200501121428.40760.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501121428.40760.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.462, required 6, AWL -1.44, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:28:40 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > On Wednesday 12 January 2005 10:21, Dave Lowe wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:10:52 -0500, Dylan Hardison > wrote: > > > As tales of (hu)men generally do, ours starts in the beginning. > > > In fact, it starts as the first meeting of the New Year. > > > > > > * Captain Dave of the U.S.S. Eye of Ra (http://tampascifi.us/) > > > > Hey, that's me. Finally subbed to the list. Let the games begin. > > Welcome, Dave! Thanks for coming last night. It was a large turnout. I hope > this is a sign of things to come :) > > /mario > Dave! Glad to see you're finally on the list. Sorry I missed the meeting, I'm out of town still, maybe Brandon. Tyler ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 17:11:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CMBMCI020973 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CMBMnf020972 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CMBLCI020968 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CMB3P7023440 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:11:10 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CMApuR017242 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:10:52 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so401388wri for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:10:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=eeJuDruWzgdtVjdIWnwNHGRsY2a4xGoEIV3yc2kmjWSC6rj/lNtDInOPSF7kAJsSmrrw05QfKIDIhaUjEjRywMeJ1DQm6OMGTDl6zn4EExlVBXcVPQBuwDkx//gy1VeyDRVo2EXMze1b4xYuZbx106UhB12+XtWm+u4445aRIc4= Received: by 10.54.39.53 with SMTP id m53mr163900wrm; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.8.19 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:10:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22e1856d05011214101243ca3b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:10:51 -0500 From: Tyler Vann-Campbell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD In-Reply-To: <200501121433.06920.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E57392.5000607@washpat.com> <200501121433.06920.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.54, required 6, AWL 0.36, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:33:06 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Aaron, I've used "dvd::rip" with success. It's a bit of a chore, but it can > be done. http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip > > Contact me off-list if you want me to do the honors. Don't use SLUG in the > subject though (filter). > > /mario > > > On Wednesday 12 January 2005 13:59, aaron steimle wrote: > > I have the presentation from the last meeting on DVD (Paul Kunz), 2 to > > be precise. I have not looked at them yet. It was actually a surprise > > from my girlfriend. > > > > I am not very familiar with ripping or converting DVD's. I have done > > some playing around but that is about it. I will need some input and > > help to get this video to the rest of the group. If someone is will to > > handle the work of extracting the video off and converting it to mpeg I > > will gladly fedex the DVD's to them. If not, anyone know the correct > > applications to perform this little process? > > > dvd::rip is a solid piece of software, I've used it with success in the past as well. It's a perl frontend to transcode so any applicable format works as well. I'd be willing to make a rip if it needs doing. I'll also do the roblimo presentation if anyone has it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 17:40:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CMeYCI021183 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:40:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0CMeY6Z021182 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:40:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0CMeXCI021178 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:40:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CMeSPF024882 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:40:33 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0CMdvqd003475 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:39:58 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so841210wri for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:39:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=mcNuKOwla0eVSB82LVfNNGw9/+0/gY5zsZRibusFJJpCmGy5EJp7bVO1nKHJj82QEWMd+aqLQKif/cfKrOYb11RE8LWub8t2h3xLmGlpaxNxHKNSN/mZpC620+aGjfMExC3m+btXBs2nQ4+UEwvkokEdVqLgCIkVvhGtcPNG4WI= Received: by 10.54.59.11 with SMTP id h11mr532825wra; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:39:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.17.2 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:39:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:39:57 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 In-Reply-To: <22e1856d050112131669227786@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501121428.40760.mario@alienscience.com> <22e1856d050112131669227786@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.123, required 6, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -4.90, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:03 -0500, Tyler Vann-Campbell wrote: > Dave! Glad to see you're finally on the list. Sorry I missed the > meeting, I'm out of town still, maybe Brandon. Maybe. It depends on what sort of free time I can shake loose. I have never been to a Brandon meeting, so we'll see. Maybe I'll see you there. -- Regards, Dave Lowe Tampa Bay, FL Registered Linux User #375232 http://www.davedorm.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 19:16:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D0GWCI021821 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D0GW2t021820 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D0GWCI021816 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D0GVP7030920 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:31 -0500 Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D0GBr1027363 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:11 -0500 Received: from 209-165-15.199.lightspeed.net ([209.165.15.199] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Coseo-0006QH-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:16:10 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: SOTL To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Wireless Routers and Wireless Bridges Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:30:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200501121930.03394.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.906, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0D0GWCI021817 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All I am still a bit confused about a few things concerning Wireless Routers and Wireless Bridges. Lets assume the simplest possible situation. That is there is an input eathernet line from an ISP to a 'Wirelass Router' and that there is one computer connected to a 'wireless bridge'. Question 1: How would one convert a 'Wireless Router' into a 'Wireless Bridge'? Several other parts of this I am not getting after an hour of arguing with a network expert and a Belkin representative are: Question 2: Is a 'Wireless Router's router or not? The best I can figure out is that a router sends a package to a device depending on address of the device. For example a package called X enters a router with and address of A1 and then sent to the location of device A1 specified in the router. Now suppose all packages that enter the router can go to one and only one device and that there is a full and complete transfer of all inputs to outputs with out change such as one would have if the input line was a wired signal and the output was an antenna with no routing. Then is this device a router or not? Question 3: Is a switch a router? Recall the 'Wireless Router' above. If I understand how this device is made what you have is a eathernet line input to a switch with one of the ports of the switch connected to a transceiver. So having this switch there to me does not make an 'Wireless Access Point' into a router but it does make it a 'Wireless Router'. Question 4: A 'Wireless Bridge' appears to be simply a transceiver connected to a switch. If this is true then how does this make this a bridge? Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 19:53:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D0rhCI022118 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:53:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D0rhpN022117 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:53:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D0rgCI022113 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:53:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D0rgP7000540 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:53:42 -0500 Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D0rV1d031887 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:53:31 -0500 Received: from 209-165-11.153.lightspeed.net ([209.165.11.153] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CotEw-0001Yt-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:53:30 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: SOTL To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:07:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.042, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, SARE_SUB_COMMA_LEAD 0.86) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0D0rhCI022114 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All Laying on the couch thinking about this I believe that the following is correct: Lets assume a device with one what we shall call a line connection and 5 output connection. This device will be a: Hub Non configurable If all packages into any one port go to all other ports. Switch Non configurable If an input package only goes to the port that contains the device that the package is directed to. Can not figure this one out how the switch knows to sent a package inputed to A to output B instead of C and what happens if you need it to also go to D? Router If you configure the device such that that a package in A go to which ever combination of ports you choose for outputs. By this one could configure all e-mail to go to ports A & B AFN to no other port, all html to port C and reject all other packages. You can configure this as you want. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 20:42:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D1gWCI022486 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D1gWqY022485 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D1gWCI022481 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D1gQP7004044 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:31 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D1gKZd005354 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:20 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0D1gHNr027843 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E5D200.1000609@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:42:24 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: A real HARD(ware) question: It's ALIVE! References: <20050112165602.52897.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050112165602.52897.qmail@web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>mentioned, some Mobos are more selective about CPU's than others.. >>But of course, there is a catch. After POST-ing and looking over >>BIOS, I >>rebooted with the HD connected. It is recognized, starting to boot >>into >>OS (WinXP Home), but after loading _mup.sys,_ it stops for about 2 >>seconds and then it reboots. > > >was xp installed on that system originally? xp is absolutely intolerant >of major hardware changes. Yes, the OS was/is installed on the disk. I don't know if I can reinstall it (only the OEM restore disk that came with that 'puter -eMachine - is available). I think they use Norton Ghost for the image (2 CD's). I think if I try to reinstall, it might have a problem because the new Mobo... or should it go w/o problems? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 21:02:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D22kCI022652 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D22khA022651 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D22jCI022647 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D22iP9005445 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:45 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D22buR014373 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (2416423hfc65.tampabay.rr.com [24.164.23.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0D22ZNr012631 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E5D6C1.6060605@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:41 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM for use with analog flat panel? References: <41E48E8A.9080105@codewolf.com> In-Reply-To: <41E48E8A.9080105@codewolf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.225, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Nils Winberg wrote: > Anyone using a KVM w/ an analog flat panel? Recommendations? > > My trusty Belkin Omniview SE (c1999) is not playing nicely with my > Samsung 712n FP. It works fine with a CRT (955df), but due to > moire/focus the Omniview is almost unusable with the FP. Same > resolutions, similar refresh (crt=1280x1024@75hz, FP=1280x1024@60 or > 70). The FP has a relatively quick 'refresh' (16ms?). . . > > TIA, > Nils By "analog flat panel" you are referring to a LCD Monitor? I have Belkin KVM (F1DK102P) that I use with NEC LCD1760v monitor and it works great. In the year and a half that I've had it, had no issues with it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 21:12:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D2CJCI022733 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:12:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D2CJBb022732 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:12:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D2CJCI022728 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:12:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D2CFPB006114 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:12:18 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D2BANd020825 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:11:10 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (114-22.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.22.114]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0D2B8rO028877 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.10]); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:11:09 -0500 Message-ID: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:10:59 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.347, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan Hardison wrote: >On the topic of discussion, there was much talk of VoIP from one Pat Burke, >and Kae / Kay / Kate Without T. They use it because they are Cheap. > >There was also talk of having an Asterisk Party. >Preview: **************************************** > >Also, Pat Burke would very much like people to phone him. >So, email talkcheap@gmail.com and ask for one of his many phone numbers, >and have at it. I hear he really likes recieving calls in Swahili and >Yiddish at 3:00AM. > > Interesting timing... did anyone catch the slashdot article today? http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/01/12/1829240.shtml?tid=215&tid=218 I enjoyed hanging with fellow linux users last night. I was the quiet guy against the wall with the thinkpad running Fedora Core 3 in a VMWare workstation. Unfortunately, my work makes me run WinXP... but thankfully VMWare lets me get real work done! I look forward to future meetings.... any chance of getting some topics on the docket? There seemed to be several new users there, perhaps they'd enjoy a demo or two?? I can try to get a projector from work and with VMWare, I can set up a whole virtual network with a server and client.... just an idea. I can volunteer setting up a quick and dirty webserver, MySQL server, and install Java, but that's about where my skills end. I would personally like to know how to set up Virtual Named Hosts (so that I can run multiple websites on the same box), how to secure a linux box (and a web server), maybe an education on what all the services are that come in most default installs and knowing which ones to turn off. thanks, ERic ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 21:56:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D2uOCI023076 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D2uOdV023075 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:56:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D2uNCI023071 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:56:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D2uLP7008981 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:56:22 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D2uFuR019902 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:56:16 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so851038wri for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:56:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TR40YQkUj9L1lX8JG/UGWSr/yEAAoM8qZy/KwSvBBf9QNEVHgzcA7p1pZBSUTHMFi+hEpg2kcZKx68lDUfGf6Gp+MkM7XA4fAHOA4kc+BSP0WJxlrBmuAh7Ef/lls4HnOby6/5qTFT1Z7jIWu1QPYwyoiVFn/AsPAm5dyuXSd5Y= Received: by 10.54.20.27 with SMTP id 27mr204735wrt; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.17.2 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 18:56:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:56:15 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 In-Reply-To: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.223, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:10:59 -0500, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > I would personally like to know how to set up Virtual > Named Hosts (so that I can run multiple websites on the > same box), how to secure a linux box (and a web server), > maybe an education on what all the services are that come > in most default installs and knowing which ones to turn off. All good ideas. I would be up for some of that action as well. Most of my skills lie in setting up Linux for desktop users. I would like a primer on setting things up for a production server. -- Regards, Dave Lowe | Tampa SciFi Registered Linux User #375232 | A Science Fiction Social Club http://davedorm.com | http://tampascifi.us ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 22:14:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D3EUCI023228 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D3EUKb023227 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D3ETCI023223 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D3ETP7010216 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:29 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D3EK1d019666 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:14:21 -0500 Received: (qmail 32527 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 03:14:20 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 03:14:20 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 32B8D1256E8; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:10:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:10:43 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Message-ID: <20050113031043.GR1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.695, required 6, AWL -0.74, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 08:07:20PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > Laying on the couch thinking about this I believe that the following is > correct: > > Lets assume a device with one what we shall call a line connection and 5 > output connection. This device will be a: > I'm going to stick my foot in my mouth and showcase my ignorance. Others may correct me as needed. > Hub > Non configurable > If all packages into any one port go to all other ports. A hub is just a device that connects other devices. Used to be, with 10Base2 (coax) networking, wiring would go to each device in a sort of ring. There was really no central point to which all the devices were connected. Which meant that if you cut or disconnected a cable in one of these networks, the whole network would go down. With 10BaseT (and 100BaseT-- cat 5 cabling), computers are connected in a "star" arrangement to a central point. Each computer has a line that runs to the central point. At that central point sits a "hub". It serves to connect everything together. That's all it does. It's sort of like a power strip into which you plug everything. It has nothing to do with routing the way we've been talking about it. > > Switch > Non configurable > If an input package only goes to the port that contains the device that the > package is directed to. Can not figure this one out how the switch knows to > sent a package inputed to A to output B instead of C and what happens if you > need it to also go to D? > A switch is just like a router, with this exception: a hub can only listen to one device at a time. So if computer A is talking, the hub won't listen to computer B. A switch, on the other hand, can listen to all other devices at once. Switches used to be much more expensive, but they are replacing hubs these days. (I'm sure there is more to it than this, but practically speaking, this is my understanding of the real differences.) > Router > If you configure the device such that that a package in A go to which ever > combination of ports you choose for outputs. By this one could configure all > e-mail to go to ports A & B AFN to no other port, all html to port C and > reject all other packages. You can configure this as you want. (Frank, these are "packets", not "packages". Very confusing when you refer to them with the wrong terminology. Since everything that goes on a network wire is digital (as opposed to analog), and since routing and such are a big part of network traffic, the bits on the wire are "packaged" into "packets" of a certain number of bits in a certain arrangement. There is a "payload" in each packet that's the actual important data it carries. Around this payload is arranged a variety of other groups of bits that indicate who originated the communication, to where it's supposed to go, and a variety of other bits of information. Altogether, the group of bits is a "packet".) What you're talking about here is something a router can do, but is really more like a firewall function. A bridge is really something that is designed to connect two physical pieces of a network. It tends to isolate "noise" that increases as network size increases. It acts as a conduit into network part A from network part B, and vice versa. The computers in network part A don't have to listen to all the garbage from the computers in network part B, and vice versa. A router pretty much covers everything else. It routes data packets according to whatever rules you've set up. To get beyond this level, you'd have to study the OSI network model, the various layers, etc. etc. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 22:16:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D3GcCI023249 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D3Gcla023248 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D3GcCI023244 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D3GbP7010355 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:37 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D3GG1d019888 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:17 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so557927wri for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=iwQisA0LgjhypkoGFpIVw52Y/0iTpPhkqxHfioMHzYkCA5v/dYiMTg85aD1W+EPoVGsSzI4bpViRypFvqclrve2w228Pa1pdAKDVpea2SdMV8FjhMDHu3lmF0/S72KXkwnh5asieD1CQoX1T2m7qFWlMn2jhQphJBMl5vbBZW5A= Received: by 10.54.53.21 with SMTP id b21mr200wra; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:16:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a05011219166b251ce1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:16:16 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 In-Reply-To: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.561, required 6, AWL -1.34, BAYES_00 -4.90, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > web server), maybe an education on what all the services are that come > in most default installs and knowing which ones to turn off. Most distros now, especially Fedora, don't come with anything non-essential turned on. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 22:30:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D3UfCI023394 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:30:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D3UfnY023393 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:30:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D3UeCI023389 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:30:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D3UdPB011319 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:30:40 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D3U9Nd008335 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:30:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 2110 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 03:30:08 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 03:30:08 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DB49F1256E8; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:26:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:26:31 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 Message-ID: <20050113032631.GS1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.342, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 09:10:59PM -0500, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > > > Interesting timing... did anyone catch the slashdot article today? > http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/01/12/1829240.shtml?tid=215&tid=218 > One of the commenters makes a point about latency and "overtalking". I'd be concerned about this. If there isn't any way of tuning QOS, your phone system would suck on just this alone. Anyone have experience with asterisk and latency issues, etc.? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 23:26:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D4QGCI023782 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:26:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D4QGgr023781 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:26:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D4QFCI023777 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:26:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D4Q9P9014393 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:26:13 -0500 Received: from pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.247]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D4Psqd011307 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:25:55 -0500 Received: from 209-165-11.224.lightspeed.net ([209.165.11.224] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065c32.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CowYT-0006Qq-00; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:25:54 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, Paul M Foster Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:39:47 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050113031043.GR1284@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050113031043.GR1284@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200501122339.47175.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.706, required 6, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0D4QFCI023778 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Paul So if I get this correct a hub, switch, and bridge are Not programable while a router is programmable. Is that correct? Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 23:37:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D4bqCI023867 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D4bqPg023866 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D4bpCI023862 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D4boP7015048 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:51 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D4bSNd025147 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (114-22.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.22.114]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0D4bQkv025563 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.10]); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: <41E5FB06.5080506@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:37:26 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 References: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a05011219166b251ce1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f48492a05011219166b251ce1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.377, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: >>web server), maybe an education on what all the services are that come >>in most default installs and knowing which ones to turn off. >> >> > >Most distros now, especially Fedora, don't come with anything >non-essential turned on. > > > I guess that depends on your definition of non-essential... The first thing I do is turn off cups and pcmcia. These are not essential for what I do. I know I can look up what each service is... that will get me a textbook definition. What I want to know is the relationship between different services and what are the benefits/consequences of turning on/off a particular service. For instance.. what the do rpcgssd, rpcsvcgssd, and rpcidmapd do?? Why are they turned on by default by Fedora, and what'll happen if I turn them off? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 12 23:57:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D4vvCI024034 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:57:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D4vv6t024033 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:57:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D4vuCI024029 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:57:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D4vtP7016152 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:57:56 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D4vXr1026746 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:57:33 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so140813rna for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:57:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=REJXS7s2eyhoPBGrhUkzSaTEkunOt3VULdNFcliPjvTIun1T+57fXYeRhgvWpfRIlMtOvSZKSSoh3gxS3eaoI3nvTXvifDFiIHneLDyhgShbkPbxVf7K1oF+bnlKQ7E0GVLCr8m1FmFf2W1cwvFsD1+pD9bPZOVkCh2niSgcoMo= Received: by 10.38.207.17 with SMTP id e17mr51243rng; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:57:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:57:32 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] VOCP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.715, required 6, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net With all the talk of asterisk lately, I thought it might be useful to post this link that has been sitting in my "interesting" bookmarks folder for, oh, about a year. http://www.vocpsystem.com/ "Much more than an answering machine, VOCP transforms your computer into a full-featured call answering and voice messaging system. With the VOCP System, you can create an unlimited number of voicemail, pager and command shell boxes which callers will navigate using their touch tone telephone. You can send and receive faxes, listen to your email using text-to-speech, filter and redirect calls based on caller ID information, run programs through the telephone and more." it's written in perl, too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 00:03:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D53rCI024091 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D53rvW024090 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D53qCI024086 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D53pP7016659 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D53g1d000818 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (114-22.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.22.114]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0D53drO012420 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.10]); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:41 -0500 Message-ID: <41E6012C.4090003@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:03:40 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SOTL wrote: >Switch >Non configurable >If an input package only goes to the port that contains the device that the >package is directed to. Can not figure this one out how the switch knows to >sent a package inputed to A to output B instead of C and what happens if you >need it to also go to D? > > My understanding of switches is that they maintain an internal database that logs things like "in port 1, I have a device with mac address xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx" So when your PC, plugged into port 2, wants to print to the printer in port 1, the switch goes "oh, I recognize the PC in port 1 with mac address blah, blah is sending data packets addressed to a device that I have in my database as being plugged into port 2, let me make a direct connection between those two ports to reduce traffic across the network. I think the reason they call them switches is because they work just like the old telephone operators did... they directly connect this phone to that one via a switching board. But the key to the whole technology is that they maintain an internal database. I have to agree with Paul's earlier comment about routers..... I think you are confusing firewalls with routers. All routers do is determine if packets should stay on the local subnetwork, or pass to a different, connected subnetwork. Like so... LAN A ------- Router -------- LAN B If a PC on LAN A is printing to a printer also on LAN A, then the packets hit the router... the router says "according to the packet destination (LAN A), I won't let this packet cross the router to LAN B" However, if that PC is sending an email with packets destined for an email server on LAN B, the packets hit the router and the router allows it to pass because the destination was not local. That was a very simplistic explaination, and I'm sure many people can shoot holes in what I explained above.... but essentially, routers just limit traffic. You don't want LAN traffic crossing the WAN. "Don't span the WAN" was the common saying when I studied this stuff. I'm pretty sure that what you were saying in your previous email was firewalling.. That's saying something like... all traffic that hits port 80 on the gateway, redirect that to 192.168.0.5:80. block all traffic on port 21 etc... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 00:51:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D5pQCI024451 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:51:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D5pQ3O024450 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:51:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D5pNCI024446 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:51:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D5p8PF019861 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:51:22 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D5op1d004972 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:50:51 -0500 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0D5oPiM003724 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:50:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501130550.j0D5oPiM003724@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:52:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcT5C7Kf+AwMOjiSQV2E+RTRgf9T5AARxPHA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.469, required 6, AWL -0.22, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Frank. I'm a bit rusty on this, but perhaps this example will clear it up. Put four PCs on a four port hub. Each packet sent from a PC will be "repeated" to all ports. Just like a party line, all will "hear" the message, but they will ignore the packets not addressed to them. Example: PC "A" sends a packet addressed to "B". "C" and "D" will see the packet, but since it's not addressed to them, they will toss it like junk mail. Since all four machines share a common line, when things get busy, you have less effective bandwidth available - thus the need for a switch. A switch is a "smart" hub. It watches traffic on each port and takes note of the "from" address of packets coming into each port. It learns that "A" on the first port, "B" is on the second, and so on. Once it knows this, it only sends packets addressed to "B" to the second port. You _can_ configure some of the better switches to separate zones (multiple separate networks on a shared physical hub) and other fun stuff. A router takes care of the packets for all machines outside the network, somewhat like the Fed-EX shipping desk. Since WebServer-X in not on the local network, the PC will take packets addressed for it, and hand them off to the designated "gateway" (your router, in this case). The gateway is in charge of taking care of all packets that need to go elsewhere. The router simply takes the packets and passes them up the line until they get to their destination. So if packets need to be sent to a local PC, they are addressed directly. If they need to be sent to a non-local address, they are sent to the gateway for routing. Here's how the actual logic works on an IP network: "PC-A" looks up the IP address to "PC-B". It finds it in the "hosts" file on the local hard drive (or a local DNS sever), and sends a broadcast message asking for the MAC (media access control) address - the unique hardware address of every network device. "PC-B" sees the request and replies with it's MAC address. "PC-A" builds the packet, marked with the MAC address of "PC-B" and sends the packet. The switch would see the MAC address of the packet, and sends it to port #2 (since it has learned that is where packets with that MAC address come from). "PC-B" receives the packet, sees that it is addressed to itself and starts unwrapping it. It also sends an ACK (acknowledgement) packet to the sender. What about non-local addresses? Well, "www.redhat.com" is not a local address, so it isn't found in the "hosts" file. So "PC-A" sends a message to a DNS (Domain Name Server), and asks for the IP address of www.redhat.com. The DNS server replies with the IP address. "PC-A" looks at the address and realizes it is non-local (much like you do when you see a 909 area code on a phone number). So it wraps up the packet (a request for a web page), puts the IP address of www.redhat.com on it, but (here it comes) puts the MAC address of the "gateway" on it. The router gets it, checks the IP address and sends it "upstream" to the next (much fancier) router. Your router has (in this case) four local ports, but only one upstream port. The fancy router at your ISP has several ports. It looks at the IP address on your packet and decides which port to send it to. Your packet hops from router-to-router, getting closer to the web server. At some point, it makes it to RedHat's gateway, where your packet is assigned the MAC address of the web server, where it arrives and is read. And sometimes ignored.... The ISP's router seems like it is the same as a switch, but a switch "learns", while a router is set with rules from a routing table. They both "switch", but the router can make highly controlled decisions about when and how a packet should be sent. Such a router can have multiple routes to the same location and make decisions based on speed of response, amount of traffic, etc. Fancy stuff. Big bucks, too. So where does a bridge fit in to all this? Assume we are using hubs instead of switches for now. Lets add a second hub with another four PCs attached, in another building. We can connect the two hubs together with a bridge. The bridge know that the "left" network has addresses starting with 192.168.0 and the "right" network has addresses starting with 192.168.1 When PC-A (on the "left" network) broadcasts a packet to a PC on the "Right" network, the bridge will repeat the packet on the "Right" network, so PC-B can see it. Why not just put them all on the same network? Imagine you have 200 PCs and 20 are running CAD, 54" printers and some 36" color scanners in the mapping department. Those 20 PCs, printers and scanner are rather "chatty" and will consume most of the bandwidth. But if you separate them from the other PCs with a bridge, all the local traffic stays in the mapping department. Much nicer for the guys in the marketing department playing Doom3. Now, if you are thinking that this bridge is somewhat like a router, and somewhat like a switch, you've caught on rather well. Today, the lines between switches, bridges and routers have become blurred. It's more a matter of small details of what the device is intended for. Just like a nut vs. lug nut. They are both nuts, but a lug nut is used for holding on wheels of a car. A nut is general purpose. A switch routes packets among a local network. A bridge connects two or more local networks, and a "Router" routes packets between a lower network to a higher level network. There will be a test.... P.S. Bob Foxworth is far more knowledgeable about this than I. I hope he jumps in. It's late, I'm tired and I'm sure I've missed a detail or made several errerszzzz..... Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:07 PM To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Hi All Laying on the couch thinking about this I believe that the following is correct: Lets assume a device with one what we shall call a line connection and 5 output connection. This device will be a: Hub Non configurable If all packages into any one port go to all other ports. Switch Non configurable If an input package only goes to the port that contains the device that the package is directed to. Can not figure this one out how the switch knows to sent a package inputed to A to output B instead of C and what happens if you need it to also go to D? Router If you configure the device such that that a package in A go to which ever combination of ports you choose for outputs. By this one could configure all e-mail to go to ports A & B AFN to no other port, all html to port C and reject all other packages. You can configure this as you want. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 01:10:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D6ABCI024581 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:10:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D6ABTX024580 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:10:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D6A9CI024576 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:10:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D6A6P7020915 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:10:07 -0500 Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D69s1d008309 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:09:54 -0500 Received: from 209-165-11.98.lightspeed.net ([209.165.11.98] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1CoyB7-0002O5-00; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:09:53 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Eric A. Hicks" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:23:45 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <41E6012C.4090003@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41E6012C.4090003@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200501130123.45596.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.615, required 6, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0D6ABCI024577 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 13 January 2005 12:03 am, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > SOTL wrote: > >Switch > >Non configurable > >If an input package only goes to the port that contains the device that > > the package is directed to. Can not figure this one out how the switch > > knows to sent a package inputed to A to output B instead of C and what > > happens if you need it to also go to D? > > My understanding of switches is that they maintain an internal database > that logs things like "in port 1, I have a device with mac > address xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx" So when your PC, plugged into > port 2, wants to print to the printer in port 1, the switch goes "oh, I > recognize the PC in port 1 with mac address blah, blah is sending data > packets addressed to a device that I have in my database as being > plugged into port 2, let me make a direct connection between those two > ports to reduce traffic across the network. I think the reason they > call them switches is because they work just like the old telephone > operators did... they directly connect this phone to that one via a > switching board. But the key to the whole technology is that they > maintain an internal database. > > I have to agree with Paul's earlier comment about routers..... I think > you are confusing firewalls with routers. All routers do is determine > if packets should stay on the local subnetwork, or pass to a different, > connected subnetwork. Like so... > > LAN A ------- Router -------- LAN B > > If a PC on LAN A is printing to a printer also on LAN A, then the > packets hit the router... the router says "according to the packet > destination (LAN A), I won't let this packet cross the router to LAN > B" However, if that PC is sending an email with packets destined for > an email server on LAN B, the packets hit the router and the router > allows it to pass because the destination was not local. > > That was a very simplistic explanation, and I'm sure many people can > shoot holes in what I explained above.... but essentially, routers just > limit traffic. You don't want LAN traffic crossing the WAN. "Don't > span the WAN" was the common saying when I studied this stuff. > > I'm pretty sure that what you were saying in your previous email was > firewalling.. That's saying something like... all traffic that hits port > 80 on the gateway, redirect that to 192.168.0.5:80. block all traffic > on port 21 etc... Thanks you are correct in that all of these devices are confusing to me with the more explanation I read the less I understand. If as you describe above you have 2 networks then the device limiting the packets flow would to me be a firewall which is NOT what I have in mind. I was assuming that both sides of your router were in the same network something like _________________ A --| | B --| | C --| Device | D --| | E --|_________________| Where if the device was a router with A as a LAN input and B, C, D, E would be outputs connected to various devices say a PC, PC, printer, and plotter and if the device was programmable then one could direct exactly which packets one wanted to which device. Your choice. If on the other hand if the device was not programmable then it would be either a switch with a built in table or a hub which sent all input packets to all outputs. There being no effective difference between a hub and switch at this level of adstraction. Of course, at a lower more basic lever there is a great deal of difference. As far as a bridge I have NO idea of what that device does. Best I can figure out is that there is little difference between a switch and a bridge. Am I finally getting the idea? Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 01:35:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D6ZhCI024749 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:35:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0D6ZhUb024748 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:35:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0D6ZgCI024744 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:35:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D6ZdP9022515 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:35:41 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0D6ZWqd004589 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:35:32 -0500 Received: (qmail 8477 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 06:35:31 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 06:35:31 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2CD481256E8; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:31:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:31:54 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Message-ID: <20050113063154.GU1284@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <20050113031043.GR1284@quillandmouse.com> <200501122339.47175.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501122339.47175.sotl155360@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.007, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Jan 12, 2005 at 11:39:47PM -0500, SOTL wrote: > Thanks Paul > > So if I get this correct a hub, switch, and bridge are Not programable while a > router is programmable. > > Is that correct? In general, yes. You just plug cat 5 cables into hubs and switches. I'm not sure about bridges, but if they are programmable, it's generally an order of magnitude less so than routers. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 06:21:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DBLuCI026925 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DBLuEp026924 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DBLtCI026920 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DBLoP7006906 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:54 -0500 Received: from relay02.pair.com (relay02.pair.com [209.68.5.16]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0DBLX1d012945 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:34 -0500 Received: (qmail 49036 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2005 11:21:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.104?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 13 Jan 2005 11:21:32 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.227.40.26 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.6.11]); Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:32 -0500 Message-ID: <002501c4f962$08e93930$6801a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <41E57392.5000607@washpat.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:32 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.843, required 6, AWL 0.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I can do it in my sleep. How many copies do we need? James ----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron steimle" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:59 PM Subject: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD >I have the presentation from the last meeting on DVD (Paul Kunz), 2 to > be precise. I have not looked at them yet. It was actually a surprise > from my girlfriend. > > I am not very familiar with ripping or converting DVD's. I have done > some playing around but that is about it. I will need some input and > help to get this video to the rest of the group. If someone is will to > handle the work of extracting the video off and converting it to mpeg I > will gladly fedex the DVD's to them. If not, anyone know the correct > applications to perform this little process? > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 07:48:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DCmfCI027513 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:48:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DCme8d027512 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:48:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DCmdCI027508 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:48:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DCmZP9011401 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:48:39 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DCm6Nd019113 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:48:09 -0500 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0DCm3kv020810 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:48:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501131248.j0DCm3kv020810@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:49:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcT5C7Kf+AwMOjiSQV2E+RTRgf9T5AARxPHA In-Reply-To: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.25, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Frank. I'm a bit rusty on this, but perhaps this example will clear it up. Put four PCs on a four port hub. Each packet sent from a PC will be "repeated" to all ports. Just like a party line, all will "hear" the message, but they will ignore the packets not addressed to them. Example: PC "A" sends a packet addressed to "B". "C" and "D" will see the packet, but since it's not addressed to them, they will toss it like junk mail. Since all four machines share a common line, when things get busy, you have less effective bandwidth available - thus the need for a switch. A switch is a "smart" hub. It watches traffic on each port and takes note of the "from" address of packets coming into each port. It learns that "A" on the first port, "B" is on the second, and so on. Once it knows this, it only sends packets addressed to "B" to the second port. You _can_ configure some of the better switches to separate zones (multiple separate networks on a shared physical hub) and other fun stuff. A router takes care of the packets for all machines outside the network, somewhat like the Fed-EX shipping desk. Since WebServer-X in not on the local network, the PC will take packets addressed for it, and hand them off to the designated "gateway" (your router, in this case). The gateway is in charge of taking care of all packets that need to go elsewhere. The router simply takes the packets and passes them up the line until they get to their destination. So if packets need to be sent to a local PC, they are addressed directly. If they need to be sent to a non-local address, they are sent to the gateway for routing. Here's how the actual logic works on an IP network: "PC-A" looks up the IP address to "PC-B". It finds it in the "hosts" file on the local hard drive (or a local DNS sever), and sends a broadcast message asking for the MAC (media access control) address - the unique hardware address of every network device. "PC-B" sees the request and replies with it's MAC address. "PC-A" builds the packet, marked with the MAC address of "PC-B" and sends the packet. The switch would see the MAC address of the packet, and sends it to port #2 (since it has learned that is where packets with that MAC address come from). "PC-B" receives the packet, sees that it is addressed to itself and starts unwrapping it. It also sends an ACK (acknowledgement) packet to the sender. What about non-local addresses? Well, "www.redhat.com" is not a local address, so it isn't found in the "hosts" file. So "PC-A" sends a message to a DNS (Domain Name Server), and asks for the IP address of www.redhat.com. The DNS server replies with the IP address. "PC-A" looks at the address and realizes it is non-local (much like you do when you see a 909 area code on a phone number). So it wraps up the packet (a request for a web page), puts the IP address of www.redhat.com on it, but (here it comes) puts the MAC address of the "gateway" on it. The router gets it, checks the IP address and sends it "upstream" to the next (much fancier) router. Your router has (in this case) four local ports, but only one upstream port. The fancy router at your ISP has several ports. It looks at the IP address on your packet and decides which port to send it to. Your packet hops from router-to-router, getting closer to the web server. At some point, it makes it to RedHat's gateway, where your packet is assigned the MAC address of the web server, where it arrives and is read. And sometimes ignored.... The ISP's router seems like it is the same as a switch, but a switch "learns", while a router is set with rules from a routing table. They both "switch", but the router can make highly controlled decisions about when and how a packet should be sent. Such a router can have multiple routes to the same location and make decisions based on speed of response, amount of traffic, etc. Fancy stuff. Big bucks, too. So where does a bridge fit in to all this? Assume we are using hubs instead of switches for now. Lets add a second hub with another four PCs attached, in another building. We can connect the two hubs together with a bridge. The bridge know that the "left" network has addresses starting with 192.168.0 and the "right" network has addresses starting with 192.168.1 When PC-A (on the "left" network) broadcasts a packet to a PC on the "Right" network, the bridge will repeat the packet on the "Right" network, so PC-B can see it. Why not just put them all on the same network? Imagine you have 200 PCs and 20 are running CAD, 54" printers and some 36" color scanners in the mapping department. Those 20 PCs, printers and scanner are rather "chatty" and will consume most of the bandwidth. But if you separate them from the other PCs with a bridge, all the local traffic stays in the mapping department. Much nicer for the guys in the marketing department playing Doom3. Now, if you are thinking that this bridge is somewhat like a router, and somewhat like a switch, you've caught on rather well. Today, the lines between switches, bridges and routers have become blurred. It's more a matter of small details of what the device is intended for. Just like a nut vs. lug nut. They are both nuts, but a lug nut is used for holding on wheels of a car. A nut is general purpose. A switch routes packets among a local network. A bridge connects two or more local networks, and a "Router" routes packets between a lower network to a higher level network. There will be a test.... P.S. Bob Foxworth is far more knowledgeable about this than I. I hope he jumps in. It's late, I'm tired and I'm sure I've missed a detail or made several errerszzzz..... Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of SOTL Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:07 PM To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Hi All Laying on the couch thinking about this I believe that the following is correct: Lets assume a device with one what we shall call a line connection and 5 output connection. This device will be a: Hub Non configurable If all packages into any one port go to all other ports. Switch Non configurable If an input package only goes to the port that contains the device that the package is directed to. Can not figure this one out how the switch knows to sent a package inputed to A to output B instead of C and what happens if you need it to also go to D? Router If you configure the device such that that a package in A go to which ever combination of ports you choose for outputs. By this one could configure all e-mail to go to ports A & B AFN to no other port, all html to port C and reject all other packages. You can configure this as you want. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 08:05:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DD5tCI027634 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DD5trG027633 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DD5sCI027629 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DD5rP7012536 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:53 -0500 Received: from server78.totalchoicehosting.com (server78.totalchoicehosting.com [209.152.182.112]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DD5lZd025511 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:47 -0500 Message-Id: <200501131305.j0DD5lZd025511@nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net> Received: from 2416460hfc41.tampabay.rr.com ([24.164.60.41] helo=pavilion) by server78.totalchoicehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1Cp4fb-0004IY-Er for slug@nks.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:47 -0500 From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: [SLUG] Off-Topic: New Mac Mini Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:05:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 thread-index: AcT5cJaoepDEf8r8SNq8adjreIXuKg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server78.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sanctuaryweb.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.496, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Realizing this is slightly off-topic, but has something to do with the UNIX world...was watching Steve Jobs' keynote at MacWorld 'Frisco the other night. For those who are interested in dabbling with Mac OS X and don't want to shell out the big bucks for an iMac or PowerMac, Apple is shipping the new Mac Mini on Jan 22nd. It is a 6.5" square by 2" tall box with 1.2 or 1.4 GHz G4 (depending in which of the two models you get) with BYODKM (bring your own display, keyboard, and mouse). Standard features are 256MB RAM, ATI Radeon 9200 video, 40 or 80 GB Ultra ATA HD (again, depending on model), built-in Ethernet and 56k modem, one Firewire 400 and two USB 2.0 ports, slot-load combo (DVD-ROM/CD-RW) drive, audio out port, optional AirPort or Bluetooth wireless module built-in, and MacOS X 10.3 "Panther". You can hook up any industry standard DVI or analog VGA monitor and USB keyboard and mouse (they claim it will even support a "Microsoft" two-button mouse). Also comes with iLife '05 software suite. Cost: $499 for the 1.25GHz/40GB model, $599 for the 1.42GHz/80GB model; AirPort and/or Bluetooth internal are extra. With a video converter adapter this would be useful for my presentation stuff (I can't get atitvout working properly on my ThinkPad). Details: http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html For those who don't know, "Panther" has a native X-Windows layer for running X-Windows apps and I am aware of an open-source framework available to compile and run UNIX apps. Also, Mac OS X "Tiger" is on schedule to ship the first half of this year. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 08:39:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DDdpCI027876 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DDdpuk027875 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DDdoCI027871 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DDdnP7014900 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:49 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DDdZr1018863 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:35 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so479619wri for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=gnrZXItBIvIxxgS8enkxUj4Npext6EDzbEtgAjhIUpWOEaSYmfKy8VD8JA4LmOxTwoVBd3vmYxgCMRz24SUgSng8Ijkfg1ZrSz8+PIKc0UQqdYZY1AwwbaCAsh4X1RptkGUMy7Cig+oJchEyenLzgugm7xGx4LipFxXA/wMSLQ8= Received: by 10.54.45.26 with SMTP id s26mr266872wrs; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.43.47 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88f827b6050113053953f0fc93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:35 -0500 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD In-Reply-To: <002501c4f962$08e93930$6801a8c0@Stan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E57392.5000607@washpat.com> <002501c4f962$08e93930$6801a8c0@Stan> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:32 -0500, James Miller wrote: > I can do it in my sleep. How many copies do we need? > > James > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "aaron steimle" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:59 PM > Subject: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD > > >I have the presentation from the last meeting on DVD (Paul Kunz), 2 to > > be precise. I have not looked at them yet. It was actually a surprise > > from my girlfriend. > > > > I am not very familiar with ripping or converting DVD's. I have done > > some playing around but that is about it. I will need some input and > > help to get this video to the rest of the group. If someone is will to > > handle the work of extracting the video off and converting it to mpeg I > > will gladly fedex the DVD's to them. If not, anyone know the correct > > applications to perform this little process? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > I would love a copy. Please let me know how much it will be and arrangements can be made. I usually go to the Tampa meetings, but Dunedin is doable as well. Or I can include mailing costs as well. You can contact me off-list with the details. Thanks in advance to whomever does the ripping/copying. Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 08:41:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DDfVCI027914 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:41:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DDfUtO027913 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:41:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DDfUCI027909 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:41:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DDfSP7015101 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:41:29 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DDfAZd029291 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:41:11 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so602612wri for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:41:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=BaMr8nkqhW/3FQVfmthviQG+1Sz6VJj21TvyqmzAAfuEWvdzxOufEf6oC4uczhrtZG7SDqdpvJoOB7S0X6Mw7uhRc7OT9rzUB6c74pq9YBCJI/OPjtTXvWMxWjOauSeeuw1nVSpeWu2LcvcMYizJaRZBi1ttW+bOLzIlKIMTUuw= Received: by 10.54.53.21 with SMTP id b21mr237503wra; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.43.47 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 05:41:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88f827b6050113054147ab81ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:41:10 -0500 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD In-Reply-To: <88f827b6050113053953f0fc93@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E57392.5000607@washpat.com> <002501c4f962$08e93930$6801a8c0@Stan> <88f827b6050113053953f0fc93@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.65, required 6, AWL 0.25, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:39:35 -0500, Mavrick wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 06:21:32 -0500, James Miller wrote: > > I can do it in my sleep. How many copies do we need? > > > > James > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "aaron steimle" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:59 PM > > Subject: [SLUG] Saint Pete presentation on DVD > > > > >I have the presentation from the last meeting on DVD (Paul Kunz), 2 to > > > be precise. I have not looked at them yet. It was actually a surprise > > > from my girlfriend. > > > > > > I am not very familiar with ripping or converting DVD's. I have done > > > some playing around but that is about it. I will need some input and > > > help to get this video to the rest of the group. If someone is will to > > > handle the work of extracting the video off and converting it to mpeg I > > > will gladly fedex the DVD's to them. If not, anyone know the correct > > > applications to perform this little process? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > I would love a copy. Please let me know how much it will be and > arrangements can be made. I usually go to the Tampa meetings, but > Dunedin is doable as well. Or I can include mailing costs as well. > You can contact me off-list with the details. Thanks in advance to > whomever does the ripping/copying. > > Eric > Sorry for the double post. I just realized that my email does not show up (need to change that in my SLUG prefs). You can reach me at icebergwaltz@gmail.com or emills@wackyworld.tv. Thanks again. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 10:23:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DFNPCI028580 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DFNPQT028579 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DFNOCI028575 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DFNNP7020508 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:23 -0500 Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DFNCNd029591 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:12 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cp6oZ-0002iT-26; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:11 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=Oykex01ys9nA9jTvvoTBTbdSL18xauh9mhbjtFAZ+Dm5mCziigPTFBsr2+w3n1Zc; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net, "Ken Elliott" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:23:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200501130550.j0D5oPiM003724@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200501130550.j0D5oPiM003724@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501131023.13530.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26099de587c5f6d5471ff130ef774da867a33ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.404, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Ken Thanks for the explanation. The relevant portion of my quest really comes down to this. > Now, if you are thinking that this bridge is somewhat like a router, and > somewhat like a switch, you've caught on rather well. Today, the lines > between switches, bridges and routers have become blurred. It's more a > matter of small details of what the device is intended for. Just like a > nut vs. lug nut. They are both nuts, but a lug nut is used for holding on > wheels of a car. A nut is general purpose. As far as I can figure out the only difference between a router, bridge, switch, and hub TODAY is how the internals are programed ie a software issue with an 'Wireless Access-Point' being almost equivalent to 'Wireless Router' with the exception that a router has 6 ports while a access-point has 2 ports. With that idea in mind then if one considers the cost of production of the various devices there should be only a 5 to 10% difference in cost which brings me full circle in my thought process of "Why does a 'Wireless Router' cost app $70.00 while a 'Wireless Bridge' cost app. $150.00 if thy are essentially the same device?" and "Why does the spectrum of devices exist when the essential difference between them is simply software which if written correctly would allow user choice of what was needed for the particular application while lowering inventory and manufacturing cost?" Also, it looks to me like it should be relatively simple to convert one device to any other usage. Reading the instruction manuals I have not found this to be the case. Thanks again for the explanation. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 10:40:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DFeWCI028717 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:40:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DFeWT4028716 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:40:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DFeVCI028712 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:40:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DFeSP7021298 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:40:30 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DFdbNd032367 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:39:41 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.160] ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16965 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: <41E694CF.2040107@washpat.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:33:35 -0500 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] New meeting place for Saint Pete meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.476, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL 0.78) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looks like I got a go for having the meeting at USF Bayboro campus in Saint Petersburg. We will have an auditorium with and Internet connection. We should also be able to have the room a bit longer and best of all there is a bar right there in the parking lot! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 10:49:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DFnICI028768 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:49:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DFnIAw028767 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:49:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DFnHCI028763 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:49:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DFnEP7021724 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:49:16 -0500 Received: from whisk.dreamhost.com (whisk.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.4]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DFn2r1032427 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:49:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by whisk.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40AD3175118 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 07:49:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501130123.45596.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <41E6012C.4090003@tampabay.rr.com> <200501130123.45596.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1105631339.21699.36.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:48:59 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 01:23, SOTL wrote: > > I was assuming that both sides of your router were in the same network > something like > _________________ > A --| | > B --| | > C --| Device | > D --| | > E --|__________________| > > Where if the device was a router with A as a LAN input and B, C, D, E would be > outputs connected to various devices say a PC, PC, printer, and plotter and > if the device was programmable then one could direct exactly which packets > one wanted to which device. Your choice. What you show above is a network switch. They are "smart" in that they know the MAC address of the device you are sending information to and as you put it, "direct the packets" automatically with no needed "programming". If you wanted to send the same packets to multiple ports like you asked in an earlier e-mail, you need what's called a "Managed Switch" with port trunking capabilities. These are more "programmable" in the fact that you can mess with the connection tables that are usually set by the switch automatically. You are essentially crippling a router into a switch if both connections are on the same network. Not to mention the fact that it may hang up a lot or you may not even be able to configure both IP sides to the same network. Routers have IP's....switches don't. A Router is more like below: ___________ ________ ___________ A -| | | | | |-D B -| switch | --192.168.1.1| router |192.168.22.1-- | switch |-E C -|lanA/subnet| | | |lanB/subnet|-F |___________| |________| |___________| A,B,C are all on a 192.168.1.0 network and want to send packets to D,E,F on a 192.168.22.0 network. They need to be "routed". HTH. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 11:38:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DGcYCI029125 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:38:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DGcYTH029124 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:38:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DGcXCI029120 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:38:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DGcWP7024278 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:38:32 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DGcO1d017486 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:38:25 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so505696wri for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=pOIqtRGXnpcqvR2rDZ7ZRvNfCygWiRLnxwo8X4V5Eu+BZD1+zo5FpeFMzMTwY/A6As1TQlKq6VXY0jVKoF8L3ADETwJ/Xv30GsS+huJbXjD3T2ENBM6WxPs0EEgqcTm2U1yEsxH5GGA6zvT30TyYbFTceNg07422UvFyXNXuICQ= Received: by 10.54.21.38 with SMTP id 38mr40942wru; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.43.47 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:38:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88f827b605011308381592a68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:38:24 -0500 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] KVM for use with analog flat panel? In-Reply-To: <41E5D6C1.6060605@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E48E8A.9080105@codewolf.com> <41E5D6C1.6060605@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 21:02:41 -0500, Branko wrote: > Nils Winberg wrote: > > > Anyone using a KVM w/ an analog flat panel? Recommendations? > > > > My trusty Belkin Omniview SE (c1999) is not playing nicely with my > > Samsung 712n FP. It works fine with a CRT (955df), but due to > > moire/focus the Omniview is almost unusable with the FP. Same > > resolutions, similar refresh (crt=1280x1024@75hz, FP=1280x1024@60 or > > 70). The FP has a relatively quick 'refresh' (16ms?). . . > > > > TIA, > > Nils > > By "analog flat panel" you are referring to a LCD Monitor? > I have Belkin KVM (F1DK102P) that I use with NEC LCD1760v monitor and it > works great. In the year and a half that I've had it, had no issues with it. We use Belkin Omniview E series (4-port) KVM's and simple Belkin 2-port KVM's here at work with both CRT's and LCD's (myriad CRT's, but mainly Sceptre IV and V LCD's) with little problem. The problems we have run into seem to be with the OS and not the monitors. We have found that on machines running Linux (SuSE 9.0/9.1) and using a KVM tend to freak out on occasion (the pointer runs all over the screen and there is very little control with the mouse; keyboard works, but if there are multiple windows open the pointer has to hover over a certain window to give it focus for the keyboard commands to be of any use). A shutdown/restart will fix the problem, but not for good. It will eventually happen again. It may be a combination of OS/KVM/monitor, and you may need to play with that to get one that works. I do not think that it is strictly a monitor issue only. We have had similar problems on a G5, but as far as I can remember I do not recall any problems with any Windows boxes that we have (KVM problems, that is :-) ). Just my 1 1/2 cents. Hope you can isolate the problem. Eric > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 11:47:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DGlsCI029193 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:47:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DGlsd4029192 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:47:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DGlrCI029188 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:47:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DGloP7024782 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:47:52 -0500 Received: from web50610.mail.yahoo.com (web50610.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.249]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0DGlfZd018616 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:47:41 -0500 Received: (qmail 89260 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jan 2005 16:47:41 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0+zPE7vSkUygOkw1UXOC9X+kTnus8ZM8WUoH6JpxUA4UyZVB8hs2UmsvUqabc2PIqTM+YotmM56EYagKTZXaa91HaUSAjSfF674nC08I5pWBn94DaaiwVelsAFtsA0lkO/cc8n85W9BzdaIVFK9Az29+QA8seE780i7zpEqb13A= ; Message-ID: <20050113164740.89258.qmail@web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.216.65.2] by web50610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:47:40 PST Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 08:47:40 -0800 (PST) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > Laying on the couch thinking about this I believe that the following > is > correct: > > Lets assume a device with one what we shall call a line connection > and 5 > output connection. This device will be a: > > Hub > Non configurable > If all packages into any one port go to all other ports. > > Switch > Non configurable > If an input package only goes to the port that contains the device > that the > package is directed to. Can not figure this one out how the switch > knows to > sent a package inputed to A to output B instead of C and what happens > if you > need it to also go to D? > > Router > If you configure the device such that that a package in A go to which > ever > combination of ports you choose for outputs. By this one could > configure all > e-mail to go to ports A & B AFN to no other port, all html to port C > and > reject all other packages. You can configure this as you want. > > Frank heres two views. the device centric view: hubs repeat everything they see on every port to every port. they are essentially splitters / combiners for networks. hubs see data like this: [stuff] switches are like hubs with a brain. a switch forwards "stuff" from a source interface (eg an ethernet interface) to a destination interface by knowing the mac addresses associated with each interface. sometimes those addresses are learned, other times they are programmed. switches see data like this: [[source address][destination address][stuff]] (some switches have additional functionality for controlling traffic flow such as with vpn's. this functionality is programmable). there is no way to send "stuff" to two and only two machines in this device without something like vpn (where only two machines belong to the virtual network). if you do need to send something out to all machines (such as a request for dhcp to lease an ip address), then its done with something called multicasting, which is "Stuff" that has special destination mac (ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff) and ip (last octet is usually 255, eg: 192.168.0.255) addresses that tell devices to send it everywhere. bridges are like hubs that connect different types of networks (eg, ethernet to wireless). some bridges come with additional functionality for filtering different types of traffic. this functionality is programmable. basic bridges see data like this: [stuff] routers are like switches that forward "stuff" from a source interface to a destination interface based on an ip address (rather than a mac address). routers are almost always programmed (i've never seen one that wasn't), however, they are unique in the fact that some can communicate directly with other routers to learn new routes (this is what protocols such as bgp and rip are for). routers see data like this: [[source & destination macs][[source ip][destination ip][stuff]]]. a gateway is a kind of router that has a default interface (in fact, its not a router, but it acts like one). if "stuff" has a destination ip address that the router cant find on its own, then "stuff" is sent to that default port in hopes that any devices connected to that interface will know where to send that "stuff". the protocol centric view (aka, the osi model layers 1 - 3): pc's and routers have both ip addresses and mac addresses. some switches and bridges have mac addresses, some dont. hubs have no addresses. when a pc or router has "stuff" to send to another pc or router, it starts by automagically preparing that data (handled by osi layers 4 - 7). that data is then wrapped in an ip packet (layer 3): [[source ip][destination ip][stuff]]. this packet holds the information needed by _routers_ to get "stuff" to its intended destination which is identified by an _ip address_. the ip addresses and "stuff" are wrapped again in an ethernet (or 802.11a|b|g) frame (layer 2): [[source mac][destination mac][ip addresses & stuff]]. this frame holds the information needed by _switches_ to get "stuff" to its intended destination which is identified by a _mac address_. finally, everything is sent over the media that carries your data (radio waves, cat5 cable, etc): [mac & ip & stuff]. _bridges_ and _hubs_ forward this blindly. they have no concept of addresses. once this information reaches its first hop (a device that understands addresses), that device _may_ opt to peel off and replace any mac or ip information that will prevent stuff from getting to its destination (eg, masquerading). the wireless gateway/router/bridge/switch you've been talking about does this so you can have more than one device using your internet connection at once. as a gateway, it converts addresses as necessary so your isp can get your "stuff" to the internet. as a bridge, it converts information from one medium to another. as a switch, it allows computers on the lan side to communicate with eachother using mac addresses. as a router, it allows computers on either the lan or wan sides to communicate with eachother using ip addresses. http (html), email (smtp / pop3), ftp, etc are all protocols that reside in layers 4 - 7 and are all controlled and maintained by software running on the source and destination computers rather than networking devices. as far as a router / switch / bridge / hub is concerned, all of the data in these protcols is "stuff". no decisions are made on this data unless additional functionality exists in any of these devices to control whether "stuff" should be dropped into a bit-bucket or allowed to continue on. this is the job of a firewall (which is also said to run on layers 4 - 7) and is not an inherant part of any networking devices listed above. There are some really good entry level networking books available that go into great detail. anything related to the net+ and ccna certifications would probably be very helpful to your understanding. hope that helps. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 12:02:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DH2cCI029315 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DH2cQv029314 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DH2bCI029310 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DH2aPB025541 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:02:36 -0500 Received: from whisk.dreamhost.com (whisk.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.4]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DH0PNd023047 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:00:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by whisk.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD8817511D for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 09:00:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501130123.45596.sotl155360@earthlink.net> References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <41E6012C.4090003@tampabay.rr.com> <200501130123.45596.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1105635622.22037.3.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:00:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-01-13 at 01:23, SOTL wrote: > As far as a bridge I have NO idea of what that device does. Best I can figure > out is that there is little difference between a switch and a bridge. > > Am I finally getting the idea? > > Thanks > Frank Frank, Also found this on bridges: Bridge Interconnects LAN segments at the Network Interface layer level and forwards frames between them. A bridge performs the function of a MAC relay, and is independent of any higher layer protocol (including the Logical Link protocol). It provides MAC layer protocol conversion, if required. Examples of bridges are: * A PS/2 running the IBM Token-Ring Network Bridge program * The IBM 8229 LAN bridge A bridge can be said to be transparent to IP. That is, when a host sends an IP datagram to another host on a network connected by a bridge, it sends the datagram directly to the host and the datagram ``crosses'' the bridge without the sending host being aware of it. So a bridge is more of a transparent relay. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 12:59:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DHxjCI029705 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:59:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DHxj0Y029704 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:59:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DHxjCI029700 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:59:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DHxcP7028340 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:59:40 -0500 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DHwMqd004932 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:58:22 -0500 Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=192.168.2.2) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cp9Ei-0003np-6e for slug@nks.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:58:20 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=caS1N7pCcD3z8g5CJhPuQzWUnzMYoPAsXwCgfAbQLb/X9WMuxZTDSPz6gfBFSli4; From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hub, Switch, & Router Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:58:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200501122007.20584.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200501130123.45596.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1105635622.22037.3.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1105635622.22037.3.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501131258.23522.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609d4a17568792b0b33c8253954ea9153ac667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.44, required 6, AWL -0.04, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks All For the explanations and responses of the difference between Hubs, Switches , and Routers. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 17:04:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DM4QCI031295 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0DM4QFZ031294 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0DM4OCI031290 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DM4MP7011330 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:23 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0DM49r1009782 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:13 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so264170rna for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:04:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=dLdlxHTSrYFPYA+Myh+D078zuqCoK+TQxe8SqsUHj3iTuVH0StorswjFSgcfm7KU1K3iBuMIEsbYJNYIBFt9VhnZUpaw/s4O0y2xoxcTxVXl73LyyjcRSf8nOpw8We/R8sdBWY1QuVG0YlvJ+BK1/EXV1gN2mEnfRDgRhAlupaU= Received: by 10.38.151.26 with SMTP id y26mr243466rnd; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:04:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 14:04:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:04:09 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New meeting place for Saint Pete meeting In-Reply-To: <41E694CF.2040107@washpat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E694CF.2040107@washpat.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.726, required 6, AWL 0.17, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:33:35 -0500, aaron steimle wrote: > Looks like I got a go for having the meeting at USF Bayboro campus in > Saint Petersburg. We will have an auditorium with and Internet > connection. We should also be able to have the room a bit longer and > best of all there is a bar right there in the parking lot! Three cheers for Aaron! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 22:10:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0E3AnCI000886 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0E3Ang6000885 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0E3AmCI000881 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0E3AfP9029935 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:47 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0E3AK1d031916 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:20 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0E3AHiM011195 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0eec01c4f9e6$92e80510$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <41E694CF.2040107@washpat.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] New meeting place for Saint Pete meeting Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:33:35 -0500, aaron steimle wrote: > > Looks like I got a go for having the meeting at USF Bayboro campus in > > Saint Petersburg. We will have an auditorium with and Internet > Is this the one in central St Pete on the waterfront near the small airport? (too lazy to check websites etc) - Bob sent 2210 est . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 13 23:06:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0E46TCI001285 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:06:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0E46TtX001284 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:06:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0E46SCI001280 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:06:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0E46SP7000511 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:06:28 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0E469Zd008951 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:06:09 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so295654rna for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:06:08 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Yuo4GV93hTwpBZ984naBL3QVwFpi4FPrx3uM+kwa2RtPaCcl1aRV5qeE4T4K9ec4R/0UhvE+XXl7+r0059QVu7nRzKp+GAyJ1frC7T/3KmqcK2O9KIM5UO2z9vEAmX1jeoU35KYqhFWivUswiScMUPJRMvkbTNdFrIX1wtXUvDU= Received: by 10.38.22.57 with SMTP id 57mr396020rnv; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:06:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.36 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:06:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 23:06:08 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New meeting place for Saint Pete meeting In-Reply-To: <0eec01c4f9e6$92e80510$0f49490a@fifteen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41E694CF.2040107@washpat.com> <0eec01c4f9e6$92e80510$0f49490a@fifteen> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.628, required 6, AWL 0.27, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 22:10:14 -0500, Robert Foxworth wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:33:35 -0500, aaron steimle > wrote: > > > Looks like I got a go for having the meeting at USF Bayboro campus > in > > > Saint Petersburg. We will have an auditorium with and Internet > > > > Is this the one in central St Pete on the waterfront near the small > airport? > Aye, it is. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 14 08:24:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EDOCCI005249 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:24:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0EDOC8n005248 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:24:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EDOBCI005244 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:24:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EDO8P7002891 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:24:08 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EDNor1010572 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:23:51 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so935479wri for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:23:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=W9QsIviKMrdJiIzlIxvISzP6CYyD5u6qgR3s3DqiaDUqU54JWJdmZD1FIq21y3ONK32Mk4N6FfO7zv1SqVaLT8rHe1OerC4r4gEHkDx4ng7PKf3ur0Db/tEBL9ahEQgB6lV+QeONLJ7aRwVvp0okF8IUPDAEpuNXuuHG46yHJ8Q= Received: by 10.54.19.78 with SMTP id 78mr258563wrs; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 67sm2279wra.2005.01.14.05.23.50; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 05:23:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: [SLUG] FW: Faster Speeds for Road Runner Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:23:49 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcT6Av3op2JHjirMRfysMyElY2yzsAAOSRSg Message-ID: <41e7c7e6.531e4f23.4125.0039@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.814, required 6, AWL -0.61, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It's now official... the following came in my e-mail from Bright House = this morning. Guess they're a little intimidated by Verizon Fios. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com Registered Linux User No. 374680 ________________________________________ From: Bright House Networks [mailto:tampabay.infomail@mybrighthouse.com] = Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:42 AM To: sbuehle1@tampabay.rr.com Subject: Faster Speeds for Road Runner Dear Road Runner Customer, =A0 We're writing to let you know that we've made exciting enhancements to = your Road Runner High Speed Online service! We thought 3 Mbps (megabits per second) was fast, but we've made it even faster. We have upgraded your service at no additional charge to you! = You can now reach download speeds of up to 5 Mbps.=A0Download files over 100 = times faster than dial-up and up to three times as fast as standard DSL.=A0Now that's fast!=A0This dose of lightning lets you surf the web, download = music and photos, and receive email attachments faster than ever before. We hope you enjoy your enhanced Road Runner service, and thank you for making your house a bright house. =A0 Sincerely, =A0 Bright House Networks Customer Service ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 14 09:52:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EEqpCI005932 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:52:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0EEqpAE005931 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:52:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EEqpCI005927 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:52:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EEqnP7007813 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:52:50 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EEqcuR026008 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:52:39 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so637173wri for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:52:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OLsjEUOnIN7h1lWtSZOLdU7+B2e8o7ijgq4hrzBVcG9aEUEbKsYER3IJTNA+heYenExj0h8Uuh1RxGWbEzXVrsUYoUeEJGb7vtINhnCmxiKTcnBU3EOO9NK/qEdxa7gAYJDDxyvhLavXpp9ZrEuO0ISevRQwR0DCfgrC7Wz/dio= Received: by 10.54.44.51 with SMTP id r51mr267346wrr; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:52:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a050114065219aec044@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:52:38 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] FW: Faster Speeds for Road Runner In-Reply-To: <41e7c7e6.531e4f23.4125.0039@smtp.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41e7c7e6.531e4f23.4125.0039@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The problem is still, they have capped the up-speed severely. For that I will probably switch to FTTP when it comes available. Unless verizon treats it like dsl, as Web Surfing Service Provider rather than an ISP. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 14 10:09:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EF9QCI006036 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:09:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0EF9Quj006035 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:09:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EF9PCI006031 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:09:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EF9OP7008596 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:09:25 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EF9GuR029305 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:09:16 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so354624rna for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:09:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=CT6070oZSmO8VM8zGyu5jMRFuCiKb5RsRnTKUed0VqzgVdad00Y+DYFkghNlkLOKPaYI+wG01heejYn8MATP0faGOqDU7wT45iXARrhLgSgzoWnhKBuUIETkXeGPadTqTOTJRPtqdv+8/T5NWX/7h3MN+R4POYV6cmnNpBgoDCM= Received: by 10.38.151.26 with SMTP id y26mr179459rnd; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.9 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:09:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310501140709fd00155@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:09:16 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] FW: Faster Speeds for Road Runner In-Reply-To: <7f48492a050114065219aec044@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41e7c7e6.531e4f23.4125.0039@smtp.gmail.com> <7f48492a050114065219aec044@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hmm, this is an advertising gimmick. I've always enjoyed speeds upward of 4Mbps on my RR connection. I think they were just hedging their bets in case they felt like overselling the bandwidth. -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 14 10:33:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EFXACI006219 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:33:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0EFXAdj006218 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:33:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EFX9CI006214 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:33:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EFX8P7009952 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:33:09 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EFWsuR031584 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:32:54 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 40so942114wri for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:32:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=G1ZBYOR8X3/suCg8ExE07oJHGsobKkTnvdpXcR+kwlYMpS4aSAehRv7tF0zhXrXhbw7sdk/82+eqihgfv6KiSjN/edWcLXxx9Vb/EikjWXOb8U43mWvoYylG3CeU7R/wnhtPi/iP+N0GEw6zGXLvRP4rp/nVyI1kYk5kcpGHsW0= Received: by 10.54.19.78 with SMTP id 78mr308404wrs; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.20.54 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:32:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5f5679d405011407325a5f16fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:32:54 -0500 From: "K." To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] FW: Faster Speeds for Road Runner In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310501140709fd00155@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41e7c7e6.531e4f23.4125.0039@smtp.gmail.com> <7f48492a050114065219aec044@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310501140709fd00155@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Please remember the nature of phone companies...i.e. Bellsouth limiting fiber from 10/10 to 5/0.384 as mentioned here http://isp-planet.com/cplanet/tech/2004/prime_letter_040719_angel.html On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 10:09:16 -0500, Levi Bard wrote: > Hmm, this is an advertising gimmick. I've always enjoyed speeds > upward of 4Mbps on my RR connection. I think they were just hedging > their bets in case they felt like overselling the bandwidth. > > -- > Debianista! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 14 12:41:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EHfKCI007071 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:41:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0EHfKc1007070 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:41:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0EHfJCI007066 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:41:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EHf6P9016555 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:41:19 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0EHeor1005002 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:40:51 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so376830rna for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:40:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=Z8F7kGyF/fOod715/bCVG25Gi1E6stNuXTy32yEOuZFKKVlbIFTNOCBzbtMosIbn2gep4F0znztCqXRvS8AAVQoEjbKl+HK1Rs0tyleyEH/zBujwFJpaURfJ/upoqxeP0S7rnPsiGa37LY4ECvx39ZCCgUhDmlnF7Z/GSbILOaQ= Received: by 10.38.151.26 with SMTP id y26mr262785rnd; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 79sm3849rna.2005.01.14.09.40.49; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 09:40:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] FW: Faster Speeds for Road Runner Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:40:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310501140709fd00155@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcT6S53KvxT9uWizRoSYUyJSJhVK0QAFH7NQ Message-ID: <41e80422.30c4a346.091e.0096@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.776, required 6, AWL -0.57, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There was noticeable improvement in my Usenet downloads this morning, from an average of 280 KB/s to nearly 600 KB/s. Steven W. Buehler | steven@sanctuaryweb.org/swbuehler@yahoo.com Home Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org | Music Page: http://renaitre.iuma.com AOL I/M: StevenBuehlerFL | Yahoo! Messenger: swbuehler | MSN/Windows Messenger: stevenwbuehler@msn.com > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Levi Bard > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:09 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] FW: Faster Speeds for Road Runner > > Hmm, this is an advertising gimmick. I've always enjoyed speeds > upward of 4Mbps on my RR connection. I think they were just hedging > their bets in case they felt like overselling the bandwidth. > > -- > Debianista! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 15 00:11:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0F5BICI011714 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:11:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0F5BI4X011713 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:11:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0F5BHCI011709 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:11:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0F5BGPJ019919 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:11:17 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0F5Adi0009462 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:10:44 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0F5Abkv017903; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:10:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41E8A5CB.6000404@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 05:10:35 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] From the Annals of Tampa SLUG, Stardate 20050111 References: <41E5D8B3.8060302@tampabay.rr.com> <7f48492a05011219166b251ce1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f48492a05011219166b251ce1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.577, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID 2.68) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>web server), maybe an education on what all the services are that come >>in most default installs and knowing which ones to turn off. > Most distros now, especially Fedora, don't come with anything > non-essential turned on. Slackware sure does, I turn off things until I break it and then I reverse my changes until it works again. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 15 08:21:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0FDLQCI015165 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:21:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0FDLQh5015164 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:21:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0FDLQCI015160 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:21:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0FDLPPB015876 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:21:26 -0500 Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0FDKt3Q017222 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 08:20:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([4.47.204.60]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050115132052.CYHC21228.out007.verizon.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:20:52 -0600 Subject: [SLUG] Sims2 From: vzd1s11k To: Slug List Content-Type: text/plain Organization: GNU Linux Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:21:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1105708905.5188.2.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.0-1mdk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Sat, 15 Jan 2005 07:20:52 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.217, required 6, AWL 0.17, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 0.75, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone successfully gotten The Sims2 to run on Linux. My wife says she will let me put Linux on her computer if she can play her game. I will check out winex -- vzd1s11k GNU Linux 100% Microsoft free and loving it! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 15 09:25:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0FEP8CI015602 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:25:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0FEP8ip015601 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:25:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0FEP7CI015597 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:25:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0FEP7P7019295 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:25:07 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0FEOhuY001320 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:24:44 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so743776wri for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:24:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=a8O7qJZ0SjVXqUV4CBcmae+MW7dv4gHMEQiJVPP9Gs6HEYxcJw+vYRl4gaS/rxAnZSbm42uyxjOsatvlbqCIjMUqpTUpFTKjhbqdC0UEm3T3DDbuWzxELrAOl5W4GMQ4RGxbjev65YTB/u0ygEoRizeLk+J6U/MZTMANrvuDwCo= Received: by 10.54.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr245957wrm; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.49.63 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 06:24:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8b361d390501150624333695b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 09:24:43 -0500 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sims2 In-Reply-To: <1105708905.5188.2.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1105708905.5188.2.camel@Arthur.Joe-Di.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3284 4 out of 5 stars with Cedega 4.2, better get the paid version tho cause a few of the sites i checked said it doesnt work well with the free version. On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 08:21:45 -0500, vzd1s11k wrote: > Has anyone successfully gotten The Sims2 to run on Linux. My wife says > she will let me put Linux on her computer if she can play her game. I > will check out winex > -- > vzd1s11k > GNU Linux > 100% Microsoft free and loving it! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 15 23:38:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0G4cnCI021392 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:38:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0G4cnHD021391 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:38:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0G4cmCI021387 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:38:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0G4cmP7030100 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:38:48 -0500 Received: from pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.183]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0G4cC3Q014508 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:38:12 -0500 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-a065c05.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cq2B1-0005Ts-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:38:12 -0800 Subject: [SLUG] Terror Alert From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:36:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1105850168.24036.0.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.414, required 6, AWL 0.79, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Was just doing some basic research, and came across this little gem: http://www.geekandproud.net/terror/ Enjoy... Russell -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 16 00:17:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0G5H3CI021660 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:17:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0G5H3Tn021659 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:17:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0G5H2CI021655 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:17:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0G5GuP7032223 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:17:00 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0G5GiuY009942 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:16:45 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so790883wri for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=klxoqc563YFY3TYTLnzkbGz+TwCDa8VPikxGyHSVgxjHr/ZEzuG1CGt78GTPnm3geAC1UM9A8OqYluKOPZT4ZmpniHNbdNNpt3RHiziEvhj27rQgDdU6gJ3nbSa4enHFx9dPEP24G5l+BFOt/z6jqWFd4i9asm+2LKAM+xxm3zM= Received: by 10.54.54.71 with SMTP id c71mr5421wra; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:16:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a050115211651960945@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 00:16:44 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Terror Alert In-Reply-To: <1105850168.24036.0.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1105850168.24036.0.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, AWL -0.10, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_TLD_US 0.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:36:08 -0500, Russell Hires wrote: > Was just doing some basic research, and came across this little gem: > > http://www.geekandproud.net/terror/ > > Enjoy... > > Russell This one's better http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030209&mode=classic -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 16 22:46:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H3kmCI031084 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:46:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0H3kmIM031083 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:46:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H3kmCI031079 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:46:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H3klP7010264 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:46:48 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H3kBvj001646 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:46:11 -0500 Received: from pool-8.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.188] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 9CFIO00 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:45:31 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Explain this please Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:23:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Noted some strange messages in my boot log which I don't understand. Can someone please explain what they mean? <4>JBD: barrier-based sync failed on hdb1 - disabling barriers <4>warning: many lost ticks. <4>Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts <4>rip 0x2a958ee890 Two different things ?? But, have been having trouble keeping the time correctly. Gains a couple of minutes per day. I do know that the bios time will increase while the computer is turned off. ( overnight - about 18 hours) Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 16 23:42:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H4gDCI031539 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:42:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0H4gDbH031538 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:42:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H4gCCI031534 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:42:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H4gBP7013284 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:42:11 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H4fvmD005101 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:41:57 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so862163wri for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:41:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LrqqDYCqSEhkBotFMikU9llB6g48I4wuN0spm6q/6x4NZ0Tafw5Xr/wbRVh4E6jNrhqLiZZaK5LteGCOYj6UxYAU9+lk0EfYFM9Y7UYd5t3wPPwPCy6R1r5eRaw9ekIxWR/Hm86mQFZv98GjPG+EFpC8Rg4jzrz6MdJzbPcOp+g= Received: by 10.54.49.6 with SMTP id w6mr313639wrw; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:41:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a05011620412163c0e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:41:56 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please In-Reply-To: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You analysis about the time being messed up is correct. Just run ntpdate at startup to correct this. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 16 23:46:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H4kcCI031571 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:46:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0H4kcK4031570 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:46:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H4kbCI031566 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:46:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H4kbP7013418 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:46:37 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H4k3vj016571 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:46:04 -0500 Received: (qmail 8778 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 04:46:03 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 04:46:03 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5C6901256E8; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:42:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:42:06 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please Message-ID: <20050117044206.GA1696@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.435, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Jan 16, 2005 at 09:23:01PM -0500, Bob Stia wrote: > Two different things ?? But, have been having trouble keeping the time > correctly. Gains a couple of minutes per day. I do know that the bios > time will increase while the computer is turned off. ( overnight - > about 18 hours) I don't think I ever had a computer that kept perfect time. I just considered it a function of cheap timer chips or something. That's why I've typically synched my time with a time server. You're not doing that, right? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 16 23:48:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H4m5CI031598 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:48:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0H4m50I031597 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:48:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0H4lrCI031583 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:47:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H4lfP7013454 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:47:41 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0H4lSuY018009 for ; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:47:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 9005 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2005 04:47:28 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 04:47:28 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6BFD41256E8; Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:43:39 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050117044339.6BFD41256E8@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.237, required 6, AWL -1.20, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 January 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 29 January 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 January 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 3 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 5 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 8 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Student Services Bldg, Room 108 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 17 08:25:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0HDPnCI002959 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:25:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0HDPnIH002958 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:25:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0HDPnCI002954 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:25:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0HDPmP7013994 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:25:48 -0500 Received: from smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.185]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0HDPGbH030757 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:25:16 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO computer) (grblack@prodigy.net@68.41.251.73 with login) by smtp806.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2005 13:25:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c4fc98$8bb46360$6600a8c0@computer> From: "Jerry Black" To: , , References: <20050117044339.6BFD41256E8@hobbes.mars.lan> Subject: [SLUG] REMOVE ME Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:29:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.851, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_REM_CAPS 0.35, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "paulf" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: [SLUG-ANNOUNCE] [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings > ************************************* > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > * Meeting Schedule * > ************************************* > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > 18 January 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Tuesday of each month) > > Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. > 1419 5th St (5th and Central) > Sarasota, FL 34236 > > See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. > > DUNEDIN ************************************************** > > 29 January 10:00-12:00 Dunedin > (usually fourth Saturday of each month) > > Dunedin Public Library > Community Room A or B (see notice on site) > Dunedin, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. > > ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** > > 31 January 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg > (usually last Monday of each month) > > St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch > Auditorium > 3745 Ninth Ave North > St Petersburg, FL 33713 > 727-893-7724 > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. > > BRANDON ************************************************** > > 3 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center > Brandon, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. > > NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** > > 5 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > (first Saturday of each month) > > New Port Richey Public Library > (second level meeting rooms) > 5939 Main St. > New Port Richey, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > 8 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second TUESDAY of each month) > > Hillsborough Community College > Dale Mabry Campus > Student Services Bldg, Room 108 > 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd > Tampa, FL > > See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. > > *********************************************************** > > ACTIVITIES: > > Meetings include: > > 1) Presentation: As indicated. > > 2) Question & Answer Session. > > 3) Raffle and free stuff! > > Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! > (And don't forget to start your installs early!) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 17 17:59:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0HMx0CI006909 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:59:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0HMx0LP006908 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:59:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0HMx0CI006904 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:59:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0HMwxTM014220 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:58:59 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0HMwiu5003702 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:58:44 -0500 Received: from pool-4.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.184] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10a/96) id 9CST900 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:58:09 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:48:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> <7f48492a05011620412163c0e5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f48492a05011620412163c0e5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.253, required 6, AWL 0.23, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 16 January 2005 23:41, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > You analysis about the time being messed up is correct. Just run > ntpdate at startup to correct this. Thanks Christopher, Further clarification; Did the first two lines pertain to the clock also ?? "<4>JBD: barrier-based sync failed on hdb1 - disabling barriers <4>warning: many lost ticks." I gained half an hour last night. If this is normal I guess I will have to follow Paul & your suggestion. I used to have to do that only about every two weeks. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 17 21:04:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I24NCI008243 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:04:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0I24NUY008242 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:04:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I24MCI008237 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:04:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I24LTO024846 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:04:22 -0500 Received: from managedwebservices.com ([198.92.103.8]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I249ou029047 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:04:09 -0500 Received: from [24.73.67.206] (account sames@managedwebservices.com) by managedwebservices.com (CommuniGate Pro IMAP 4.1.8) with XMIT id 296176 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:52:56 -0500 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Explain this please Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 21:04:36 -0500 Organization: Managed Web Services, Inc. Message-Id: <80153edfc4aea946a7dcd891efab8cca@managedwebservices.com> In-Reply-To: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Explain this please Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 Sensitivity: Normal Thread-Index: AcT9Ag+9CGE+PjnJTaGqXilwh/30uA== From: "Stephen Ames" To: "slug@nks.net" X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro MAPI Connector 1.0.72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.723, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, COMMUNIGATE 2.40, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL 0.78) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0I24NCI008238 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* If you are gaining a half and hour in one night, the battery on your motherboard may be going. Usually they are silver batteries about the size of a quarter. You may want to consider replacing it. Thanks, Steve -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob Stia Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:48 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Sunday 16 January 2005 23:41, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > You analysis about the time being messed up is correct. Just run > ntpdate at startup to correct this. Thanks Christopher, Further clarification; Did the first two lines pertain to the clock also ?? "<4>JBD: barrier-based sync failed on hdb1 - disabling barriers <4>warning: many lost ticks." I gained half an hour last night. If this is normal I guess I will have to follow Paul & your suggestion. I used to have to do that only about every two weeks. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 00:06:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I563CI009533 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:06:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0I563Hr009532 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:06:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I561CI009528 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:06:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I560TQ002398 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:06:01 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I55Hou008659 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:05:17 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0I55DrO009629 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:05:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:06:20 -0500 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] md5sum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net How do I use md5sum to check a download? I just dl'd the ISO image of the ftp install of SUSE 9.2 Pro. I also got the md5sum for it. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 00:39:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I5dgCI009783 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:39:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0I5dgdx009782 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:39:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I5deCI009778 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:39:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I5dcTQ004886 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:39:39 -0500 Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I5dPu5013719 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:39:25 -0500 Received: from [24.144.76.91] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cqm5I-0002qq-Ey for slug@nks.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:39:20 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bn6miEc5ujoPJnrgCRDuVVt8GkmFucC0DNBskkE70wgOjWdgKzN0ehCPbFHK3ldQ; Message-ID: <41ECA10D.6090505@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:39:25 -0500 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5sum References: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26091ec9075a67083af36dc55a0c905eb5ea93caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.904, required 6, AWL -1.35, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Smoot wrote: > How do I use md5sum to check a download? > I just dl'd the ISO image of the ftp install of SUSE 9.2 Pro. > I also got the md5sum for it. Here's what I do on the command line (I'm certain there may be better methods which may make more sense if you verifying many files): echo md5sum then do a visual comparison of the two strings. For example, if I know the checksum for foo.iso should be "d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e": > [mark@granite ~ 3]$ echo d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e; md5sum /tmp/foo.iso > d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e > d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e /tmp/foo.iso > [mark@granite ~ 4]$ Having the known good and the calculated checksum on top of each other makes comparison easier. -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 00:52:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I5q0CI009885 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:52:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0I5q0k0009884 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:52:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0I5pxCI009880 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:52:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I5pwTM005581 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:51:59 -0500 Received: from greta.gschmidt.net (cvg-65-29-208-35.cinci.rr.com [65.29.208.35]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0I5oEou017557 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:50:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [192.168.1.1]) by greta.gschmidt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FA66FE32 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:50:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41ECA36C.2010300@gschmidt.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:49:32 -0500 From: greg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5sum References: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Smoot wrote: > How do I use md5sum to check a download? > I just dl'd the ISO image of the ftp install of SUSE 9.2 Pro. > I also got the md5sum for it. > > Richard Smoot Like this: greg@greta:~$ greg@greta:~$ md5sum -c index.html.md5 index.html: OK greg@greta:~$ That is, the command "md5sum", with the -c "check" option, and the name of the checksum file. The checksum file you'll need to use will probably be named something like "SUSE_9.2_.iso.md5, and not index.html.md5 like I used. The command "man md5sum" might help if that doesn't. It will lead you to "info md5sum". This all assumes you're already running *nix, or at least have cygwin installed on Windows. If you're trying to do this on Windows it can (and should) still be done, but will require a Windows md5sum checker, which afaik, doesn't just come with. Good luck, Greg ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 07:55:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ICtwCI013011 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:55:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0ICtw8D013010 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:55:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ICtvCI013006 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:55:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ICttTQ031031 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:55:57 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ICtXou025242 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:55:33 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0ICtQrO009301 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:55:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <077e01c4fd5c$fbb5c9f0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> <41ECA36C.2010300@gschmidt.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5sum Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:55:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > How do I use md5sum to check a download? > > This all assumes you're already running *nix, or at least have cygwin > installed on Windows. If you're trying to do this on Windows it can > (and should) still be done, but will require a Windows md5sum checker, > which afaik, doesn't just come with. > > Good luck, > > Greg I have been running "md5sum" at the cmd prompt on a Win XP box (which happens to be where my CD-RW is installed) and it is already there. Did not have to install anything. Which brings up a question. The md5sum value will be different for files that are different by even one byte, but how much of a variation in the md5sum value itself will occur for such a small difference in the files themselves. In other words, can you tell immediately (a big difference) when comparing the two sums, or will it be a much more subtle difference? (too lazy to actually try and test it. Guess I could tar up some big files, add a text file, then edit the file to change one letter and tar it again, and compare.) It's on my "B" list ... - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 08:11:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IDBGCI013141 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:11:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0IDBG0u013139 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:11:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IDBFCI013131 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:11:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IDBDTO032295 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:11:14 -0500 Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IDAlmD018533 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:10:47 -0500 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cqt8B-0003b0-Cf for slug@nks.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:10:47 -0500 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 470EF70C0EB for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:14:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <11004.66.15.89.64.1106054074.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <077e01c4fd5c$fbb5c9f0$0f49490a@fifteen> References: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> <41ECA36C.2010300@gschmidt.net> <077e01c4fd5c$fbb5c9f0$0f49490a@fifteen> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:14:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5sum From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac0549fb11073be4ad3e3c5c6ab42f6a5a605a1caf5b24ea7f9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.989, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0IDBFCI013135 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Which brings up a question. The md5sum value will be different > for files that are different by even one byte, but how much of a > variation in the md5sum value itself will occur for such a small > difference in the files themselves. In other words, can you tell > immediately (a big difference) when comparing the two sums, > or will it be a much more subtle difference? There will be a huge difference in the md5sum, regardless of the magnitude of the difference in the file. It won't even resemble the original sum at all. Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 08:51:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IDpJCI013432 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:51:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0IDpJ0N013431 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:51:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IDpICI013427 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:51:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IDp9TM002528 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:51:16 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IDoku5011333 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:50:46 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.106] (43-181.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0IDoirO017147 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:50:44 -0500 (EST) From: jeff To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5sum Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:52:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> <41ECA10D.6090505@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <41ECA10D.6090505@earthlink.net> X-Fun: Without walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501180852.28439.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.027, required 6, AWL 0.88, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 18 January 2005 12:39, Mark Polhamus wrote: > Richard Smoot wrote: > > How do I use md5sum to check a download? > > I just dl'd the ISO image of the ftp install of SUSE 9.2 Pro. > > I also got the md5sum for it. > > Here's what I do on the command line (I'm certain there may be better > methods which may make more sense if you verifying many files): > > echo > md5sum > > then do a visual comparison of the two strings. For example, if I know the > > checksum for foo.iso should be "d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e": > > [mark@granite ~ 3]$ echo d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e; md5sum > > /tmp/foo.iso d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e > > d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e /tmp/foo.iso > > [mark@granite ~ 4]$ > > Having the known good and the calculated checksum on top of each other > makes comparison easier. > > > -- Mark Or if you don't want to trust your eyes (or someone else's eyes)with a visual comparison, try this: 1) Download foo.iso 2) Download foo.md5sum 3) Md5sum foo.iso>my-foo.md5 4) Diff foo.md5sum my-foo.md5 Diff will only show a response if the two md5 files differ. Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 08:54:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IDsjCI013456 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:54:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0IDsjLo013455 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:54:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IDsiCI013451 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:54:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IDshTM002722 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:54:44 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IDsNYj017015 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:54:23 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so1046678wri for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:54:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=V7SxByPQaDMPlwpq9/E2L6J5X3kgM1mX1Kg+YB/XP+gy+i4IwuNWFI+uXWgxwA+gqEXCXdXSuauYq11o+yX73tWo5Sin5z+PPLFfFMJUfbH0YheEGKCxv3wUzMR7WN+XUfF4Bg1/dJAq1bM3p01vX6OkFRVaDkNmcB/OLNzkx/o= Received: by 10.54.46.44 with SMTP id t44mr311897wrt; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:54:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a05011805541839d52e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:54:21 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please In-Reply-To: <80153edfc4aea946a7dcd891efab8cca@managedwebservices.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <80153edfc4aea946a7dcd891efab8cca@managedwebservices.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > "<4>JBD: barrier-based sync failed on hdb1 - disabling barriers To be quite honest I have no clue as to what this means. > <4>warning: many lost ticks." This one is definately part of the timing system. So a ntpdate and a running ntp daemon server would solve this. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 10:17:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IFHhCI014035 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0IFHhq7014034 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IFHhCI014030 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IFHdTM007281 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:41 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IFHQ6s008146 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:17:26 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0IFHPtq003682 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:17:25 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0IFG0en002660; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:16:00 GMT Message-Id: <200501181516.j0IFG0en002660@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:16:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota SLUG Meeting Tonight Reminder and Update! Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:14:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1106061360-6271709.13142277 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.153, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0IFHhCI014031 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net We had a lot of people show up last month, so let's try to beat December's turnout! 6:00-8:30PM at Sarasota Coffee and Tea.  Here's a map: http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm The location is open access during this time, so if you have to show up a bit late, no problemo. To my knowledge, there won't be any organized presentations, so just prepare yourself for some caffeinated and zany linux infused conversation. Failing that, there is free wireless access. We'll be downstairs this time, and there will be no Screen Writer's Club meeting going on. The coffee shop encourages you to - you guessed it - buy some coffee! But they have non-caffeine things too. I look forward to seeing you all there! -- Eric J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 11:37:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IGbHCI014580 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:37:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0IGbHkg014579 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:37:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IGbHCI014575 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:37:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IGb9TM011233 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:37:15 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IGaqou020574 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:36:52 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0IGaoNi022469 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:36:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <080601c4fd7b$e943dcc0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <41EC994C.9000005@tampabay.rr.com> <41ECA36C.2010300@gschmidt.net> <077e01c4fd5c$fbb5c9f0$0f49490a@fifteen> Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5sum Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:36:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I wrote earlier, > I have been running "md5sum" at the cmd prompt on a Win XP box > (which happens to be where my CD-RW is installed) and it is > already there. Did not have to install anything. This info, in fact, is probably wrong. Looking through my paper files, from OpenCD, there is available a 48KB file "md5sum.exe" which goes into \winnt\system32. I apparently had already d/l this file and put it there manually. Look at //theopencd.sunsite.dk/md5.php > Which brings up a question. The md5sum value will be different > for files that are different by even one byte, but how much of a > variation in the md5sum value itself will occur for such a small > difference in the files themselves. In other words, can you tell > immediately (a big difference) when comparing the two sums, > or will it be a much more subtle difference? (too lazy to actually > try and test it. Guess I could tar up some big files, add a text file, > then edit the file to change one letter and tar it again, and compare.) Tnx Doug for reply, I thought it would be radically different. - Bob sent 1136 est ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 13:15:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IIFBCI015230 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:15:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0IIFBVI015229 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:15:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IIFACI015225 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:15:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IIF9TM016322 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:15:09 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IIEXYj012824 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:14:33 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so1088107wri for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:14:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sILtY5kQRTprJjUjenNXDAcwNWW9EkRTbHLk7KRgqLv6gFF2fVSN21SgIGrN5EMtNWX5obkRdbb8ctZC6QRy63hSPIOfFcSgGrGiOAl8K+ExHQvuRG/dSLTtp42c2bdbxJkcRkDfwjhhr+7Jy6u1wnFcVZG8SmEME56H0QEUJ+4= Received: by 10.54.43.14 with SMTP id q14mr42530wrq; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:14:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.46 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:14:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a05011810141414b39e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:14:33 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Good Linux Sound Card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey guys just a quick question I wanted to get everyone's opinion on. What is the best "under $100" sound card for linux? I currently am using onboard sound but it just really isn't that good. My only requirement is that the driver must be open source, no binary drivers. Any clues anyone? -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 15:14:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IKEoCI016051 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:14:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0IKEo2w016050 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:14:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0IKEnCI016046 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:14:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IKEeTM022817 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:14:48 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0IKEOmD002327 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:14:24 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0IKEMNs018515 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:14:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:14:10 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Good Linux Sound Card In-Reply-To: <7f48492a05011810141414b39e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Hey guys just a quick question I wanted to get everyone's opinion on. > What is the best "under $100" sound card for linux? I currently am > using onboard sound but it just really isn't that good. My only > requirement is that the driver must be open source, no binary drivers. > Any clues anyone? I'm using a SoundBlaster Live!. I carried it over from my previous motherboard (Asus A7V-266, had no onboard anything) to this one (Asus A7V-333, has onboard sound) because it'll play multiple sounds simultaneously, and the built-in one won't without a driver "faking it". I use a bog-standard ALSA setup. The card also has jacks for line-in and mic-in which _don't_ get repurposed as output jacks should I get more than two speakers. Don't remember how much it cost, but >$100 would've put me off, so it probably wasn't that much. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 16:23:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ILNMCI016511 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:23:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0ILNMXb016510 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:23:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ILNLCI016506 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:23:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ILN6TM026353 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:23:21 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ILMhuY032564 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:22:44 -0500 Received: from pcp03956304pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.60.231] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cr0oB-0008Cs-6A for slug@nks.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:22:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota SLUG Meeting Tonight Reminder and Update! From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200501181516.j0IFG0en002660@rs16.luxsci.com> References: <200501181516.j0IFG0en002660@rs16.luxsci.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+l3h5B6KCh0xUylWBIl1" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:22:39 -0500 Message-Id: <1106083360.30191.3.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.292, required 6, AWL -0.09, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-+l3h5B6KCh0xUylWBIl1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 10:14 -0500, Eric Jahn wrote: > We had a lot of people show up last month, so let's try to beat December'= s=20 > turnout! =20 And if you can't be there physically, you can always point your favorite IRC client to #sslug in irc.shadowworld.net and join us via the net. Chat with Zoiks our twisted, vegan, SSLUG mascot never tires of conversation! The Logan --=20 16:20:01 up 11 days, 7:57, 4 users, load average: 0.20, 0.47, 0.76 Spare the rod and spoil the rm -r. -- BOFH ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-+l3h5B6KCh0xUylWBIl1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB7X4f3OecGqSbkyMRAiykAKDXPmuzqFvIXZkxxMXWfGDxTHsyRACbBLL4 41RJg+rP97auox4QVOdClY4= =dCm8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+l3h5B6KCh0xUylWBIl1-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 18 22:32:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0J3WCCI019152 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:32:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0J3WCYd019151 for slug-track29; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:32:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0J3WCCI019147 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:32:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0J3W8TY014522 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:32:11 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0J3V5ou021750 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:31:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 96895 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2005 03:31:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.104?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 19 Jan 2005 03:31:03 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.227.40.26 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.0]); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:31:04 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c4fdd7$4df3dd40$6801a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <41E694CF.2040107@washpat.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] New meeting place for Saint Pete meeting Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:31:03 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sounds good! Will we have to deal with the Student Groups policies, or is this outside of that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "aaron steimle" To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:33 AM Subject: [SLUG] New meeting place for Saint Pete meeting > Looks like I got a go for having the meeting at USF Bayboro campus in > Saint Petersburg. We will have an auditorium with and Internet connection. > We should also be able to have the room a bit longer and best of all there > is a bar right there in the parking lot! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 19 15:49:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0JKncCI026480 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:49:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0JKncLU026479 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:49:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0JKncCI026475 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:49:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0JKnbTM011581 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:49:37 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.240]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0JKnImD018554 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:49:19 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so623505cwc for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=QeL2oXM2+3swRj8foab4LgtCasJV7coYhXPY/1DFJsBWlVRsY4CPJmVKuDNZ/38UgDyW2pqQVXdb8p+LXAVitGnTwODQpRDOKmhYgaw+DqgObTos1J3JK93adrk0SJfSbcToO83ZOYCdkyDSXRE2KZcOZbl4kG0H6mqJ2tUEPp0= Received: by 10.11.116.45 with SMTP id o45mr298745cwc; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:49:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd050119124988ab57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:49:18 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please In-Reply-To: <7f48492a05011805541839d52e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <80153edfc4aea946a7dcd891efab8cca@managedwebservices.com> <7f48492a05011805541839d52e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Those are two entirely different things. > JBD: barrier-based sync failed on hdb1 - disabling barriers You are running a 2.6 kernel. Is this something new? Or did you recently change the filesystem type on hdb1? This jbd message can be considered a warning. Does an lsmod show jbd? If not, modprobing jbd and adding it to your initrd will probably fix it for you. If you have questions about how to do this, I can walk you through it. If you are interested in what this is all about... request/write barriers work by guarenteeing that disk operations before the barrier will be written before those after the barrier. In other words, the device won't reorder the disk writes across the barrier even though it might be more efficient to write that way (like less movement of the heads). Write barriers speed up I/O for applications that care very much about write order (like journalling filesystems), because instead of writing one chunk at a time and waiting for the write to finish before sending the next chunk, the application can write multiple chunks with barriers between them. If the application were to write multiple chunks without the barriers and without waiting for each individual chunk to be written before sending the next, the device might reorder the chunks being written for efficiency. Most applications wouldn't care, but some would... like a journaling filesystem that cares very much what blocks are updated on the device when. So journalling filesystems do the slow method, unless they are smart enough to exploit write barriers and the kernel has not disabled them due to a barrier-based sync failing :). Ext3 and reiserfs are smart enough to exploit write barriers if enabled. Maybe others now. ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 19 20:30:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K1UICI028498 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:30:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0K1UIut028497 for slug-track29; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:30:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K1UHCI028493 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:30:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K1UGTM028103 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:30:16 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K1Tm3t030422 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:29:50 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (187-9.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.9.187]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19192 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:15:50 -0500 Message-ID: <41EEC26A.2060408@washpat.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:26:18 +0000 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] New meeting place for Saint Pete meeting References: <41E694CF.2040107@washpat.com> <001901c4fdd7$4df3dd40$6801a8c0@Stan> In-Reply-To: <001901c4fdd7$4df3dd40$6801a8c0@Stan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.972, required 6, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.68, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net James Miller wrote: > Sounds good! Will we have to deal with the Student Groups policies, > or is this outside of that? > > Not sure what the Student policies entail. We are getting the room through my brother, who is a professor at that campus, there is no dependency on any university groups or anything like that. We will have to do some testing on the network connection in that room ...food and drink are allowed (no beer..only at the Tavern which is right there in the parking lot...gotta love that..they have guiness!!!!!) Should be a good meeting place. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 00:19:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K5JXCI030038 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:19:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0K5JXuf030037 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:19:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K5JWCI030033 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:19:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K5JUTM007067 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:19:31 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K5JMAC018866 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:19:22 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so54998rna for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:19:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dzHWHcyqkdaOT8Pu9StW0+qzFi98WRRqagYA92stm5iWbscJgTMiD8QjW9bo+CSmBE5oSbK+db5Nl8QRUecADhaUrbnN0EWN8pqawuHVXDccUhDwRi8+isPhzGQxTy2Yah2R3TsKDdAYR4KQNInwFWOmcGw8QpQEUekgnAan2I4= Received: by 10.38.153.46 with SMTP id a46mr201473rne; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.68 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:19:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:19:21 -0500 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RR increasing upload? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.45, required 6, AWL -1.45, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i noticed earlier the thread about the e-mail form RR about increasing download from 3meg to 5meg but has anybody noticed the increase in upload? im usually getting ~45kB/s but lately ive been getting ~90 - 110kB/s up. still not as good as verizon fios but its a step in the right direction. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 02:04:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K744CI030752 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:04:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0K744m5030751 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:04:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K742CI030747 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:04:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K742TM012774 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:04:02 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K73mXt023117 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:03:48 -0500 Received: from pool-38.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.218] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10b/96) id 6S0GL00 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:02:48 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:15:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <7f48492a05011805541839d52e@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd050119124988ab57@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd050119124988ab57@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501200315.16199.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 19 January 2005 15:49, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > Those are two entirely different things. > > > JBD: barrier-based sync failed on hdb1 - disabling barriers > > You are running a 2.6 kernel. Correct, SuSE 9.2 with an AMD Athlon _64 > Is this something new? Don't know for sure. Paid attention to the boot log because of having extreme time differences after boot up and not being able to correct them. > Or did you > recently change the filesystem type on hdb1? No, no change. As installed about a month ago on a brand new system & upgraded the distro to SuSE 9.2 at the same time. For your info; there are 4 other partitions on hdb. All are ext3. Would I get similar messages for hdb3, hdb5, etc. ?? > This jbd message can be > considered a warning. Does an lsmod show jbd? lsmod shows jbd running. > If not, modprobing > jbd and adding it to your initrd will probably fix it for you. If > you have questions about how to do this, I can walk you through it. > > If you are interested in what this is all about...... Yes, very much so. You have added to my knowledge base considerably. For your further info. Reviewed the boot message for tonight. The following are single lines from the message which I selected as suspicious and need to be investigated. As stated earlier this all started because of wild time problem. (have contacted the seller and they have offered to replace the motherboard ) I doubt the problems are related ? 4>JBD: barrier-based sync failed on hdb1 - disabling barriers 7>Losing some ticks... checking if CPU frequency changed. <4>warning: many lost ticks. <4>Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interupts Really appreciative of your interest in my problem. Hope you can make sense of it. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 03:54:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K8sxCI031477 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:54:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0K8sxU7031476 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:54:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0K8svCI031472 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:54:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K8suTM019004 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:54:57 -0500 Received: from viper.dns-nac-zone.com (viper.dns-nac-zone.com [209.123.249.210]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0K8sgXt013086 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:54:42 -0500 Received: from 192-16.9-67.tampabay.rr.com ([67.9.16.192] helo=tanya1) by viper.dns-nac-zone.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CrY5N-00046h-H7 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:54:39 +0000 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:54:44 -0500 Message-ID: <003001c4fecd$b0d6e280$c800a8c0@tanya1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <41EEC26A.2060408@washpat.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - viper.dns-nac-zone.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hollen.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.8, required 6, BAYES_90 2.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am downsizing my computer business. I am looking for a good company in St.Pete to hand over a couple clients too. Is there anyone recommended? Thanks Seth seth@hollen.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 06:43:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KBhhCI000340 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:43:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0KBhhm1000339 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:43:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KBhgCI000335 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:43:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KBhfTM027684 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:43:41 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KBhNQw002751 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:43:24 -0500 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0KBhLNr028182 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:43:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501201143.j0KBhLNr028182@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:45:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <003001c4fecd$b0d6e280$c800a8c0@tanya1> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcT+z7C7tRtIGz3MRcqm+tx6ycIUnAAFXdqQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.3, required 6, AWL -2.30, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Seth, Actually, I was thinking about starting a tech support company. I ran a CAD/Network/Development company for about 10 years before I moved here. Now that I've decided to stay, I'm looking at starting something. May I ask why you are downsizing? Could you tell me about the needs of these customers? Ken Elliott 1832 Lombardy Dr. Clearwater FL 33755 cell 727-698-0276 http://web.tampabay.rr.com/kelliott4/ ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Seth Hollen Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:55 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete I am downsizing my computer business. I am looking for a good company in St.Pete to hand over a couple clients too. Is there anyone recommended? Thanks Seth seth@hollen.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 06:49:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KBnvCI000377 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:49:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0KBnvwo000376 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:49:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KBnuCI000372 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:49:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KBntTM027908 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:49:56 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KBnbRZ006269 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:49:37 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0KBnYkv003923 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:49:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0c0501c4fee6$1d506e00$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <003001c4fecd$b0d6e280$c800a8c0@tanya1> Subject: Re: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:49:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.407, required 6, AWL -2.51, BAYES_90 2.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete > I am downsizing my computer business. I am looking for a good company in > St.Pete to hand over a couple clients too. > > Is there anyone recommended? > > Thanks > > Seth This is, to me, ambiguous. Are you looking for a company to be home for a couple of your techs you're letting go? Or are there some firms you have been taking care of that need a new tech contact? IOW does tech == client? - Bob sent 0649 est ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 07:27:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KCRvCI000642 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0KCRvAH000641 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KCRvCI000637 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KCRuTM029783 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:56 -0500 Received: from viper.dns-nac-zone.com (viper.dns-nac-zone.com [209.123.249.210]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KCRXQw007878 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:33 -0500 Received: from 192-16.9-67.tampabay.rr.com ([67.9.16.192] helo=tanya1) by viper.dns-nac-zone.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CrbPP-0003ZK-PW for slug@nks.net; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:27:31 +0000 From: "Seth Hollen" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:41 -0500 Message-ID: <000401c4feeb$70344560$c800a8c0@tanya1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-reply-to: <200501201143.j0KBhLNr028182@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - viper.dns-nac-zone.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - hollen.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0KCRvCI000638 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My personal life needs to be before my business. I have a computer business doing a little bit of everything. I am trying to get away from supporting business clients to just home users, actually I want to get into more home theater stuff. I have a couple clients in st.pete that need someone with more time than I can give them. The 2 I'm thinking of run windows boxes, 1 has only 4 computers the other about a dozen. I need someone who is great with troubleshooting. Knows anti-virus/spyware removal, and in general can go in and figure out any problem. It's not like I'm looking to hand someone the goose that lays the golden egg or anything ;) Seth -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Ken Elliott Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:45 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete Hi Seth, Actually, I was thinking about starting a tech support company. I ran a CAD/Network/Development company for about 10 years before I moved here. Now that I've decided to stay, I'm looking at starting something. May I ask why you are downsizing? Could you tell me about the needs of these customers? Ken Elliott 1832 Lombardy Dr. Clearwater FL 33755 cell 727-698-0276 http://web.tampabay.rr.com/kelliott4/ ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Seth Hollen Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:55 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete I am downsizing my computer business. I am looking for a good company in St.Pete to hand over a couple clients too. Is there anyone recommended? Thanks Seth seth@hollen.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 08:00:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KD0uCI000871 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:00:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0KD0tYs000870 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:00:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KD0sCI000866 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:00:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KD0qTM031048 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:00:53 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KD0h1R002282 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:00:44 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so637459cwc for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:00:43 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=e8tkOJtZHgUHm6TTbAzhGqRvuHNHnVar+ZHVP7tA74fKLWhNEVBige2lrO1y9wKgap2phJW+c140Fzn4WVKy2k2noTb3h6can1DHr3vS7gosRh4n/fOSMpbvXLKeDbN1NMZB7r9BitKQ2gAjBSBI6i6ombU2T6dRcK2L/N4rADM= Received: by 10.11.99.29 with SMTP id w29mr244836cwb; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:00:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd0501200500f950635@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 08:00:43 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please In-Reply-To: <200501200315.16199.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <7f48492a05011805541839d52e@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd050119124988ab57@mail.gmail.com> <200501200315.16199.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > No, no change. As installed about a month ago on a brand new system & > upgraded the distro to SuSE 9.2 at the same time. For your info; > there are 4 other partitions on hdb. All are ext3. Would I get similar > messages for hdb3, hdb5, etc. ?? Yes, I would expect so, the first time they are written to after boot. > > This jbd message can be > > considered a warning. Does an lsmod show jbd? > > lsmod shows jbd running. I suppose it's possible that the device does not support barrier requests. Are you running with a SuSE-built kernel? If so, are you running the latest maintenance? YaST will tell you (Online Update?). > For your further info. Reviewed the boot message for tonight. The > following are single lines from the message which I selected as > suspicious and need to be investigated. As stated earlier this all > started because of wild time problem. (have contacted the seller and > they have offered to replace the motherboard ) I doubt the problems are > related ? The jbd and the timer problems really should be unrelated. For the lost ticks problem I would try to boot with noapic if you are running the latest SuSE kernel maintenance. GL, ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 10:37:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KFbaCI001877 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:37:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0KFbZo6001876 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:37:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KFbZCI001872 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:37:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KFbXTM005874 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:37:33 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KFbH1R018043 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:37:18 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 63so91246wri for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:37:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=jI2TIcuh98mzWNK7YRu+jJcJ2XBCIZGPhJ8Zkb0voIfph8QigO5q8mPNNBScSjLjMHNX2/FcUlNL16G9CrWCT9IvKI1UnYx+VT34jgOz38/gUz3MwUinSB5b885IbBvZDoHOnUJaMt2q0IwMMdVeLX3iVBErBwUWnjvT/Ce3RC4= Received: by 10.54.20.30 with SMTP id 30mr221881wrt; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.17.2 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:37:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:37:17 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] need a good computer tech in St.Pete In-Reply-To: <000401c4feeb$70344560$c800a8c0@tanya1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501201143.j0KBhLNr028182@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> <000401c4feeb$70344560$c800a8c0@tanya1> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.563, required 6, AWL -0.66, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:27:41 -0500, Seth Hollen wrote: > The 2 I'm thinking of run windows boxes, 1 has only 4 computers the other > about a dozen. I need someone who is great with troubleshooting. Knows > anti-virus/spyware removal, and in general can go in and figure out any > problem. My calendar is pretty clear after the 31st. I have a project that runs through then, and then I am pretty open. I have a degree in Networking and am A+ Certified. I can always use work. -- Regards, Dave Lowe | Tampa SciFi Registered Linux User #375232 | A Science Fiction Social Club http://davedorm.com | http://tampascifi.us ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 10:48:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KFmYCI001954 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:48:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0KFmYK0001953 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:48:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0KFmXCI001948 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:48:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KFmVTM006275 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:48:32 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0KFmJQw028678 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:48:19 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so640701cwc for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:48:19 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=riSuY7J2qbZQE+RqkGWVHSYXpe59X9XDWGzHuMDF8iGWxKDLDal+he/Na3Iq2Fw+NoAu9c9FNXUXKQrW5Xv+lV14s5MF42kjheedY2ypbSBHskM4/tBTXrHLXMBHLDn2t8HfhXtW89mDCry7ZaPkPlMhwu/Y9zHBAPj+SE/VbbQ= Received: by 10.11.99.8 with SMTP id w8mr304037cwb; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:48:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd050120074833da2753@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:48:19 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0501200500f950635@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <7f48492a05011805541839d52e@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd050119124988ab57@mail.gmail.com> <200501200315.16199.rnr@sanctum.com> <125d27dd0501200500f950635@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.987, required 6, AWL -0.46, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net And as far as the bios time advancing 18 hours ahead overnight when the computer is off ... wow! If it doesn't cost you anything I would definitely take the manufacturer up on their offer to swap-out the mobo. It actually sounds like you have 3 separate problems. The lost ticks could be related to this, but there's a good possibility that it's not. ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 20 21:23:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0L2NpCI006082 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:23:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0L2NpEa006081 for slug-track29; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:23:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0L2NnCI006077 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:23:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0L2NmTM000866 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:23:49 -0500 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (rrcs-24-73-101-102.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.101.102]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0L2Nh1D029851 for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:23:44 -0500 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id C056D22800A; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:17:10 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 02:17:10 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" Subject: [SLUG] Cyrus imap questions on Debian install (Cyrus21) MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050121021710.C056D22800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.832, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello everyone, I'm in the process of getting an OpenGroupware install on a Debian system. I'm using Postfix and cyrus-imapd as I've had success in the past on Red Hat/Fedora. This is my first experience with a Debian release and with the exception of getting cyrus configured (and accessible), everything is up and running. The MTA is configured and tested. The default Debian was to run in a chrooted environment. I modified the postfix configuration files (master.cf) to change this to a non-chrooted environment as I'm using lmtp. Now I'm neither a Debian Postfix or cyrus expert to start, but I do have this running on my RHEL 3 system and I haven't really had any issues. I have the autoquotacreate set to -1 which will allow the addition of mailboxes automatically, so I've never had to manually add mailboxes. One of the problems I've had is I can't access cyradm with the cyrus user account? Per some of the system doc's I added the cyrus user with the: saslpasswd2 -c cyrus command and verified this with the: sasldblistusers2. When I try to use cyradmin this still doesn't allow connection. I know that those commands are part of cyrus-sasl but at this point I'm reaching because I've compared settings to my working configuration of Postfix and cyrus... I've tried starting the saslauthd directory but no processes are running after I issue the command, and the exit code I get is 0 with no errors. Can someone help me out here? In addition to the above: - How do I get into the cyradmin with the cyrus account? I've set a password up for the user? - Do I still have to add the imap and pop3 lines to /etc/inet.d or is this controlled by cyrmaster? - Do I have to use saslauthd - Is there a way I can verify if postfix is not running chrooted? thanks, James ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 03:16:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0L8GWCI008415 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:16:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0L8GWgP008414 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:16:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0L8GVCI008410 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:16:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0L8GUTM018818 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:16:31 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0L8FfKI009502 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:16:17 -0500 Received: from pool-32.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.212] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10b/96) id 6SIYG00 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:15:09 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:11:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <200501200315.16199.rnr@sanctum.com> <125d27dd0501200500f950635@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0501200500f950635@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501210111.50701.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.019, required 6, AWL -2.02) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 20 January 2005 08:00, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > > No, no change. As installed about a month ago on a brand new system > > & upgraded the distro to SuSE 9.2 at the same time. For your > > info; there are 4 other partitions on hdb. All are ext3. Would I > > get similar messages for hdb3, hdb5, etc. ?? > > Yes, I would expect so, the first time they are written to after > boot. Hmmm...that puzzles me, because I don't get the barrier message on those other partitions of that drive, and lsmod says that jbd is running. > > > > This jbd message can be > > > considered a warning. Does an lsmod show jbd? > > > > lsmod shows jbd running. > > I suppose it's possible that the device does not support barrier > requests. Are you > running with a SuSE-built kernel? If so, are you running the latest > maintenance? > YaST will tell you (Online Update?). Yes, latest updated SuSE kernel. > > > For your further info. Reviewed the boot message for tonight. The > > following are single lines from the message which I selected as > > suspicious and need to be investigated. As stated earlier this all > > started because of wild time problem. (have contacted the seller > > and they have offered to replace the motherboard ) I doubt the > > problems are related ? > > The jbd and the timer problems really should be unrelated. For the > lost ticks problem I would try to boot with noapic if you are running > the latest SuSE kernel > maintenance. I will try noapic, and the new motherboard should already be on the way. Will let the list know what happens after a few days. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 07:57:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LCvFCI010465 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:57:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0LCvFIP010464 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:57:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LCvDCI010460 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:57:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LCvDTM001790 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:57:13 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.246]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LCv61D000575 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:57:06 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so661913cwc for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:57:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=M3DE4N2H0OnxGElJuESlaZSfi5eFBpFMxugMyr5QVs0EVn2/WssQhnuYnjI7TmfKiuMlJMt5pkHlYcmnBuS9JH6w79wHa7BWcZFt5WLOrSfzRw41O87X8TpeVgc9/3BW212mLkUrM3ic+BBc+qynLAzX+EWwK2w7a4CaNvM26eE= Received: by 10.11.99.75 with SMTP id w75mr403162cwb; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 04:57:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd05012104573eac14c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:57:03 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please In-Reply-To: <200501210111.50701.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <200501200315.16199.rnr@sanctum.com> <125d27dd0501200500f950635@mail.gmail.com> <200501210111.50701.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.521, required 6, AWL 1.38, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Hmmm...that puzzles me, because I don't get the barrier message on those > other partitions of that drive, and lsmod says that jbd is running. Nowhere in /var/log/messages or dmesg output? Even after generating write activity on those filesystems? Are they mounted with the same options? I'm not sure about why that would occur if these other partitions are all ext3, and mounted and being written to, unless the hda1 filesystem was written to before the module was loaded out of the initrd. But usually when systems do mount the / filesystem before the initrd modules have been loaded, it is only mounted read-only and then remounted read-write later. Is your / on hda1? Or is it just /boot? Do you see ext3 messages in /var/log/messages as the systems are being mounted? At any rate, that does seem strange, but is not the end of the world. You do not risk data-corruption or something like that. Sorry this wasn't more help, ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 15:09:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LK9XCI013245 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:09:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0LK9Xcw013244 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:09:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LK9XCI013240 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:09:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LK9WTM021896 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:09:32 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LK99x7008582 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:09:10 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c16so110570rne for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:09:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f3ya2Vz4ACX6TivwZ7xlSN3VEZvRUf3M+pNGOSXUdFxLLciNsacGQ1DgBt1AjdAzMXMHGF/ozne0KaLeQQCDmfmU4WAf3nPdRYpzMGMUV5N4IYks05VfLzUraYP8ROnMczI6qqr+/P/XCr8om0xlQ8QmNMMSxItCW+PY3BggFog= Received: by 10.38.160.51 with SMTP id i51mr209366rne; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.15 with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:09:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:09:09 -0500 From: Steven Buehler To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Internet Explorer Declines in share Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.367, required 6, AWL -2.37) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Internet Explorer Use Still Falling, Firefox on the Rise Elizabeth Millard, www.enterprise-linux-it.com The Internet Explorer browser continues to lose market share, while open-source darling Firefox still is attracting users. IE now commands around 90 percent of the market, according to Web analytics company WebSideStory, which puts the browser's share at 90.3 percent. Firefox now has a 5 percent slice. Although Firefox's share might seem puny in comparison to IE, its rate of growth has been notable. Estimates put its current download rate at almost 20 million, and its companion e-mail client, Thunderbird, passed the 2 million download mark at the end of its first month of availability. Grassroots Effort One of the main factors for Firefox's success has been word-of-mouth recommendations among users and a number of excellent reviews in the media. In mid-December, the Mozilla Foundation, creator of Firefox, placed a two-page ad in the New York Times that raised the browser's visibility in the mass market. The ad featured the names of thousands of people worldwide who contributed to the fundraising campaign to support the launch of the browser. After the ad ran, German and Dutch Firefox supporters followed suit, funding ads in newspapers in those countries. Continuing Trend The ongoing popularity of Firefox is not surprising, said Niels Brinkman, co-founder of Dutch market research firm OneStat.com. The firm also has reported that IE use is steadily falling, and Brinkman told NewsFactor that the decline is expected to continue. "Firefox has gotten much attention over the past few months, and that has brought success," he said. "As more people use the browser and like it, they'll tell others, and the downloads will continue." Security Force It is likely that IE use also is falling because of security concerns. Since it is the most-used browser, IE is a prime target for attackers. Several vulnerabilities recently have been reported in IE 6.0, which prompted Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) to issue patches. The company also has admonished some security researchers for unfairly characterizing IE as less secure than other browsers. However, calling reports "misleading and inaccurate" probably will not be enough for Microsoft to change public perception. "People think of Firefox as more secure, and many of them switch to the browser for just that reason," said Brinkman. -- Steven Buehler | swbuehler@gmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 16:05:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LL5VCI013631 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:05:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0LL5VnO013630 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:05:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LL5UCI013626 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:05:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LL5TTM024352 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:05:29 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LL54x7014593 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:05:04 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0LL54mc016619 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 15:05:04 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0LL41kj016151; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:04:01 GMT Message-Id: <200501212104.j0LL41kj016151@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:04:01 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Bidness Week Article Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:03:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1106341441-1488789.90293801 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.746, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_44 -0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net the Open Source Software Institute's listserv made me aware of this article. It's quite interesting and compelling for non-geeks also: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_05/b3918001_mz001.htm -- Eric Jahn ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 16:17:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LLHLCI013718 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:17:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0LLHLS9013717 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:17:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LLHKCI013713 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:17:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LLHATM024969 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:17:19 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LLGtKI010991 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:16:55 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.34] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA7B14078C8 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:16:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41F1716B.9050805@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:17:31 -0500 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet Explorer Declines in share References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.537, required 6, AWL -2.40, BAYES_60 1.59, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steven Buehler wrote: >Internet Explorer Use Still Falling, Firefox on the Rise > >Elizabeth Millard, www.enterprise-linux-it.com > >The Internet Explorer browser continues to lose market share, while >open-source darling Firefox still is attracting users. > >IE now commands around 90 percent of the market, according to Web >analytics company WebSideStory, which puts the browser's share at 90.3 >percent. Firefox now has a 5 percent slice. > >Although Firefox's share might seem puny in comparison to IE, its rate >of growth has been notable. Estimates put its current download rate at >almost 20 million, and its companion e-mail client, Thunderbird, >passed the 2 million download mark at the end of its first month of >availability. > >Grassroots Effort > >One of the main factors for Firefox's success has been word-of-mouth >recommendations among users and a number of excellent reviews in the >media. > >In mid-December, the Mozilla Foundation, creator of Firefox, placed a >two-page ad in the New York Times that raised the browser's visibility >in the mass market. > >The ad featured the names of thousands of people worldwide who >contributed to the fundraising campaign to support the launch of the >browser. > >After the ad ran, German and Dutch Firefox supporters followed suit, >funding ads in newspapers in those countries. > >Continuing Trend > >The ongoing popularity of Firefox is not surprising, said Niels >Brinkman, co-founder of Dutch market research firm OneStat.com. > >The firm also has reported that IE use is steadily falling, and >Brinkman told NewsFactor that the decline is expected to continue. > >"Firefox has gotten much attention over the past few months, and that >has brought success," he said. "As more people use the browser and >like it, they'll tell others, and the downloads will continue." > >Security Force > >It is likely that IE use also is falling because of security concerns. >Since it is the most-used browser, IE is a prime target for attackers. > >Several vulnerabilities recently have been reported in IE 6.0, which >prompted Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) to issue patches. > >The company also has admonished some security researchers for unfairly >characterizing IE as less secure than other browsers. However, calling >reports "misleading and inaccurate" probably will not be enough for >Microsoft to change public perception. > >"People think of Firefox as more secure, and many of them switch to >the browser for just that reason," said Brinkman. > > Using the extentions, Firefox is just to cool. I have been able to open many "Windows" fans to the concept of open source, due to the extentions (Sage, weather, network tweak, etc.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 16:33:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LLXHCI013857 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:33:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0LLXH2Q013856 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:33:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LLXGCI013852 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:33:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LLXCTO025755 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:33:16 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LLWdKI012753 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:32:44 -0500 Received: from server1.stspandp.org (rrcs-24-227-124-70.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.124.70]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0LLWbkv008788 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.16.32.11] (server4 [172.16.32.11]) by server1.stspandp.org (8.12.7/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id j0LLViZn022864 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:31:44 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet Explorer Declines in share From: patrick grantham To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41F1716B.9050805@myraandpete.net> References: <41F1716B.9050805@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1106343153.32594.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 21 Jan 2005 16:32:33 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net "Tabbed Browsing" The neatest thing since sliced bread!! That and blocking popus were reason enough for me to switch and continue the "word of mouth" praise. On Fri, 2005-01-21 at 16:17, Pete S. wrote: > Steven Buehler wrote: > > >Internet Explorer Use Still Falling, Firefox on the Rise > > > >Elizabeth Millard, www.enterprise-linux-it.com > > > >The Internet Explorer browser continues to lose market share, while > >open-source darling Firefox still is attracting users. > > > >IE now commands around 90 percent of the market, according to Web > >analytics company WebSideStory, which puts the browser's share at 90.3 > >percent. Firefox now has a 5 percent slice. > > > >Although Firefox's share might seem puny in comparison to IE, its rate > >of growth has been notable. Estimates put its current download rate at > >almost 20 million, and its companion e-mail client, Thunderbird, > >passed the 2 million download mark at the end of its first month of > >availability. > > > >Grassroots Effort > > > >One of the main factors for Firefox's success has been word-of-mouth > >recommendations among users and a number of excellent reviews in the > >media. > > > >In mid-December, the Mozilla Foundation, creator of Firefox, placed a > >two-page ad in the New York Times that raised the browser's visibility > >in the mass market. > > > >The ad featured the names of thousands of people worldwide who > >contributed to the fundraising campaign to support the launch of the > >browser. > > > >After the ad ran, German and Dutch Firefox supporters followed suit, > >funding ads in newspapers in those countries. > > > >Continuing Trend > > > >The ongoing popularity of Firefox is not surprising, said Niels > >Brinkman, co-founder of Dutch market research firm OneStat.com. > > > >The firm also has reported that IE use is steadily falling, and > >Brinkman told NewsFactor that the decline is expected to continue. > > > >"Firefox has gotten much attention over the past few months, and that > >has brought success," he said. "As more people use the browser and > >like it, they'll tell others, and the downloads will continue." > > > >Security Force > > > >It is likely that IE use also is falling because of security concerns. > >Since it is the most-used browser, IE is a prime target for attackers. > > > >Several vulnerabilities recently have been reported in IE 6.0, which > >prompted Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT - news) to issue patches. > > > >The company also has admonished some security researchers for unfairly > >characterizing IE as less secure than other browsers. However, calling > >reports "misleading and inaccurate" probably will not be enough for > >Microsoft to change public perception. > > > >"People think of Firefox as more secure, and many of them switch to > >the browser for just that reason," said Brinkman. > > > > > Using the extentions, Firefox is just to cool. I have been able to open > many "Windows" fans to the concept of open source, due to the extentions > (Sage, weather, network tweak, etc.) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 17:43:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LMhDCI014302 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0LMhDrb014301 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LMhCCI014297 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LMh8TW028442 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:12 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LMeZq0023081 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:40:35 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so182903rne for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:40:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:message-id; b=XznNzoGuDKHL7gejK4yWNLRA0Ec2niOupAVYUdOt9LJsdrMWGW1PpvgfVghdIo/6uXcEukgklaIbDnBYqNK+nwYQpC81BdfYr1Cm5aenJvmV6EFLcqHWLLNHL6uWf5DR2c2uZNKSaPAjQhNknTupdWUAKx9Rst0fvxu7paT26K8= Received: by 10.38.15.14 with SMTP id 14mr276372rno; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm11289rna.2005.01.21.14.40.33; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:40:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Bidness Week Article Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:40:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcT//fqieLOH2G+qRe62DV61bKS9hQADDOEw In-Reply-To: <200501212104.j0LL41kj016151@rs16.luxsci.com> Message-ID: <41f184e3.6be0ca2e.2eeb.020c@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.011, required 6, AWL -2.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I like the comments of this guy: Cost isn't the only reason that companies are switching to Linux. The data processor Axciom Corp. recently shifted some servers to the operating system, after using Unix in the past. Alex Dietz, the company's chief information officer, says he's thinking about replacing the Windows operating system with Linux on the company's desktop computers. One important reason: Axciom doesn't want to be too dependent on Microsoft. "[Linux] has an innate guarantee that you won't be held hostage," says Dietz. > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric Jahn > Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:04 PM > To: SLUG > Subject: [SLUG] Bidness Week Article > > the Open Source Software Institute's listserv made me aware of this > article. > It's quite interesting and compelling for non-geeks also: > http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_05/b3918001_mz001.htm > > -- > Eric Jahn > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 21 17:43:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LMhqCI014309 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0LMhqhZ014308 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0LMhpCI014304 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LMhoTM028474 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:51 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0LMhQx7023767 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:26 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so183164rne for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:43:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:message-id; b=r7v4+iPWJciSckm4cVzAw8oSQuP+uOhFEOWsXD0VHG4jeScpr1DWMdWwtgF3Cm8htymrTTm+fopWpL91v07P+vwxsLtvoFKN6iKdcxItSiwZyTjL24Y/Tl1j7td+GRpMrLnCJ0SgAEn9f3zzBe9fOQIeIb9IcDFnQxfXVmpRl4k= Received: by 10.39.3.61 with SMTP id f61mr401361rni; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:43:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pavilion ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 57sm1132rnc.2005.01.21.14.43.25; Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:43:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Internet Explorer Declines in share Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:43:25 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcT//50PSho+7V1ESkO4xOf/9meaLwACswVg In-Reply-To: <41F1716B.9050805@myraandpete.net> Message-ID: <41f1858d.4db99b1e.5d80.001f@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.7, required 6, AWL -0.50, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Using the extentions, Firefox is just to cool. I have been able to open > many "Windows" fans to the concept of open source, due to the extentions I've really come to like Mozilla and especially FireFox, although there are still a few places where Internet Exploder is the only option (mainly because they use the M$ Java applets instead of Sun Java still). SWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 22 01:14:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0M6ECCI017327 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0M6EC5i017326 for slug-track29; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0M6EACI017322 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0M6E5TO017981 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:10 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0M6DdKI032673 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:13:39 -0500 Received: from pool-39.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.219] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10b/96) id 6SYD900 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:13:13 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Internet Explorer Declines in share Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:30:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501220330.44535.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.68, required 6, AWL -1.25, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 21 January 2005 15:09, Steven Buehler wrote: > Internet Explorer Use Still Falling, Firefox on the Rise > > Elizabeth Millard, www.enterprise-linux-it.com > > The Internet Explorer browser continues to lose market share, while > open-source darling Firefox still is attracting users. > > IE now commands around 90 percent of the market, according to Web > analytics company WebSideStory, which puts the browser's share at > 90.3 percent. Firefox now has a 5 percent slice. > > Although Firefox's share might seem puny in comparison to IE, its > rate of growth has been notable. Estimates put its current download > rate at almost 20 million, and its companion e-mail client, > Thunderbird, passed the 2 million download mark at the end of its > first month of availability. > > Grassroots Effort > > One of the main factors for Firefox's success has been word-of-mouth > recommendations among users and a number of excellent reviews in the > media. > There are also ISP's out there e-mailing and recommending to their customers to switch over. One example is my own ISP Sanctum.com/Marlowe,net from the Tampa area. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 22 01:14:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0M6EGCI017334 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0M6EGCa017333 for slug-track29; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0M6EGCI017329 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0M6EFTM017993 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:14:15 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0M6DfKI032675 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:13:53 -0500 Received: from pool-39.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.219] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10b/96) id 6SYD700 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 01:13:12 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Explain this please Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:24:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501171448.26949.rnr@sanctum.com> <200501210111.50701.rnr@sanctum.com> <125d27dd05012104573eac14c2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05012104573eac14c2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501220324.54405.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.695, required 6, AWL -1.17, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 21 January 2005 07:57, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > > Hmmm...that puzzles me, because I don't get the barrier message on > > those other partitions of that drive, and lsmod says that jbd is > > running. > > Nowhere in /var/log/messages or dmesg output? Even after generating > write activity on those filesystems? Are they mounted with the same > options? All exactly the same. OK, checked in dmesg and /var/log/messages as you suggested. Well, first there are messages that hdb4 (and others) are mounted with an ordered file system (ext3), but way down the list in dmesg, (seems to be random)( eg; 25 lines down, then another 4 or 5 lines, then another 12 lines, etc.) I get the JBD message for some of those other partitions. In checking tonight's boot-up in /var/log/messages I get the JBD message for hdb7, 10, & 4. OK, so what is happening is that message doesn't come up until there is a write attempt to that partition ? > > I'm not sure about why that would occur if these other partitions are > all ext3, and mounted and being written to, unless the hda1 > filesystem was written to before the module was loaded out of the > initrd. But usually when systems do mount the / filesystem before > the initrd modules have been loaded, it is only mounted read-only and > then remounted read-write later. Is your / on hda1? Or is it just > /boot? Do you see ext3 messages in /var/log/messages as the systems > are being mounted? > > At any rate, that does seem strange, but is not the end of the world. > You do not risk data-corruption or something like that. > > Sorry this wasn't more help, No, you have been helpful. I learned something new. One last question. Is this a hardware thing ?? hard drive or motherboard? If it's the hard drive should I be worried? My replacement motherboard should arrive tomorrow or monday. ( Don't pay any attention to the time and date. Sick of fixing it) Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 24 01:47:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0O6lDCI004380 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:47:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0O6lD2G004379 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:47:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0O6lCCI004375 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:47:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0O6l8TM025466 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:47:12 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0O6l1Tf013983 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:47:01 -0500 Received: from pool-39.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.219] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.10b/96) id 6TL8200 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:45:56 -0500 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] spamassassin re-install Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 05:40:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501240540.32777.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.93, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 1.93) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggeers, About two months ago I upgraded my entire system. I was using spamassassin before that. Didn't reinstall it. Time to do it !! The KDE 3.3.2 has kmail to be able to do spam filtering by itself. So rather than go through the whole Postfix, whatever, thing I am thinking of using that. The basic question is: Can I set up spamassassin (which is called by kmail) to use the Bayesian filters. And, would the sa-learn process be used under those circumstances? I have over 2000 spams that could be learned. Also how about "white" filters? Think all of this will work ?? Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 24 16:13:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0OLD1CI010236 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:13:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0OLD1pS010235 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:13:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0OLD0CI010231 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:13:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0OLCuTM032513 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:13:00 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0OLCcTf024028 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:12:38 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0OLCZkv029318 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:12:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F564C3.8020505@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:12:35 -0500 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.645, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone know if Roadrunner properly handles IPv6? On the SUSE 9.2 Pro install the default is not to activate IPv6, because many ISP's do not handle it properly. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 24 17:10:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0OMAvCI010621 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0OMAvSi010620 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0OMAuCI010616 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0OMAtTM002491 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:56 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0OMARTf001558 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:10:31 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0OMARTH016758 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:10:27 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0OMA2IZ016624; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:10:02 GMT Message-Id: <200501242210.j0OMA2IZ016624@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:10:02 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] SSLUG meeting location for tomorrow 6:30PM Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:09:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1259844.Pr9Naekduc"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1106604602-8385884.82734136 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.705, required 6, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --nextPart1259844.Pr9Naekduc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The venerable Sarasota Social Linux Users Group (SSLUG) will be meeting=20 tomorrow night (Tues. 1/25) at 6:30-9:00-ish at Shakespeare's English Pub Location=20 3550 S. Osprey Ave. Sarasota, FL 34239 941-364-5938 (same strip mall as Oasis Cafe) They have food. They have 80 varieties of ribaldry and intrigue-inducing=20 beverages. http://www.dinesarasota.com/Restaurants/First 85/Shakespheares.htm There's a map at this link; the Pub is on the West side of the street. See you there! =2D-=20 Eric Jahn --nextPart1259844.Pr9Naekduc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB9XIjVnvthVFGjRERAtwqAJ4jMTj+oqBkgSQcBbnReGdopUaMdwCeIfV5 FCZYChJCqjz2ixaIY0YahEc= =lMvL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1259844.Pr9Naekduc-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 24 17:45:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0OMjNCI010863 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:45:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0OMjNKU010862 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:45:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0OMjMCI010858 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:45:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0OMjLTO003898 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:45:22 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0OMj6VX009587 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:45:06 -0500 Received: from skullone (rrcs-24-129-183-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.183.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0OMitNj010012 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Amy Harms" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:44:48 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c50266$528ae040$6eaaa8c0@skullone> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <41F564C3.8020505@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No. As far as I am aware, RR is not "officially" supporting IPv6. It is still in testing. Why take my word for it? I work for the company at the Network Operations Center. Amy Harms -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Richard Smoot Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:13 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Does anyone know if Roadrunner properly handles IPv6? On the SUSE 9.2 Pro install the default is not to activate IPv6, because many ISP's do not handle it properly. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 24 18:11:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ONBxCI011044 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:11:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0ONBxgw011043 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:11:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0ONBwCI011039 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:11:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ONBwTM004887 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:11:58 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0ONBlSs014331 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:11:47 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0ONBikv028130 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:11:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <03ed01c5026a$12a32d80$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <41F564C3.8020505@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:11:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.344, required 6, AWL -1.34, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Does anyone know if Roadrunner properly handles IPv6? > On the SUSE 9.2 Pro install the default is not to activate > IPv6, because many ISP's do not handle it properly. > > Richard Smoot > It's my recollection the last time I looked with a sniffer, the DNS was not recognizing quad-A records which can come from some linux machines. I'd think that in the absence of this, nothing else in v6 would work - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 24 21:21:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0P2LhCI012310 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:21:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0P2Lhts012309 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:21:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0P2LhCI012305 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:21:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0P2LdTM013103 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:21:43 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0P2LESs008290 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:21:14 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0P2LCkv018017 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:21:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <04ab01c50284$8a405e20$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <41F564C3.8020505@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:21:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.307, required 6, AWL -1.31, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Does anyone know if Roadrunner properly handles IPv6? > On the SUSE 9.2 Pro install the default is not to activate > IPv6, because many ISP's do not handle it properly. > > Richard Smoot I replied once already but (again) my reply did not get posted to the list. What I had said was that the dns at rr appears to not handle quad-A requests, and without this, I doubt any thing further could be done, and this was determined from sniffing the (my) public interface.. This is the only list I am on in which I _know_ that occasionally a message does not get reflected back after being sent. And there was the time last month when Pat spent a half hour working on a piece of java code for Christopher and it has yet to appear anywhere. sent at 2120 est - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 24 22:35:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0P3ZkCI012843 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:35:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0P3Zkmg012842 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:35:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0P3ZjCI012838 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:35:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0P3ZjTM016231 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:35:45 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0P3ZPVX006385 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:35:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 15896 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2005 03:35:25 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2005 03:35:24 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4B1A91256E8; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:31:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:31:00 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Message-ID: <20050125033100.GH6249@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <41F564C3.8020505@tampabay.rr.com> <04ab01c50284$8a405e20$0f49490a@fifteen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <04ab01c50284$8a405e20$0f49490a@fifteen> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.786, required 6, AWL -3.55, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Jan 24, 2005 at 09:21:12PM -0500, Robert Foxworth wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if Roadrunner properly handles IPv6? > > On the SUSE 9.2 Pro install the default is not to activate > > IPv6, because many ISP's do not handle it properly. > > > > Richard Smoot > > > I replied once already but (again) my reply did not get > posted to the list. What I had said was that the dns > at rr appears to not handle quad-A requests, and > without this, I doubt any thing further could be done, > and this was determined from sniffing the (my) public > interface.. > > This is the only list I am on in which I _know_ that > occasionally a message does not get reflected back > after being sent. > > And there was the time last month when Pat spent > a half hour working on a piece of java code for > Christopher and it has yet to appear anywhere. > > sent at 2120 est _I_ saw your prior message, as it appeared across the list. You might consider the possibility that some phrasing in your emails is hitting against the admin keywords of majordomo, if your messages occasionally fail to make it. I can't speak to delays in posts actually going out to the list. That's an NKS issue, and I haven't heard anything from them on the subject. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 25 07:59:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PCxBCI016681 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:59:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0PCxBR1016680 for slug-track29; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:59:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PCx9CI016676 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:59:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PCx8TM009974 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:59:09 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PCwq36009294 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:58:52 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.102 (653271hfc253.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.71.253]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0PCworO014602 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:58:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Looking for Software From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:58:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1106657929.5295.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.994, required 6, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers! I have a friend who owns a small taxi service. He is looking for some sort of computer hardware/software combination to do the following: 1. Log the incoming phone call date/time and phone number from caller ID. 2. Keep an audio record of the conversation between the operator and the customer for training/customer service purposes. 3. It runs in the background and does not interfere with the day to day operations. 4. Provides an interface that he can understand and can review calls. Anyone have any ideas? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 25 08:37:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PDbLCI016952 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:37:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0PDbLwh016951 for slug-track29; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:37:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PDbKCI016947 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:37:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PDbJTM012207 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:37:20 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PDb6kX001409 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:37:06 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so302069wri for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:37:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bJYcC7T5pouSbtO0se2Fjtuw0x+zLCRUhd9E1GyzQGK9tsCSHSXck3CVEw8QcClUf/V65iaMtIbEwZZmsBrqzh1nQCtLuad1oUQM6DuFJkC7getpSuym5qN/E+Xeqjgal/E0yX7yUaX2C0yUc1HF5vTfnzEjjoidj7CdSoprDgg= Received: by 10.54.54.75 with SMTP id c75mr51558wra; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.23 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:37:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a0501250537565b0ba3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:37:05 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for Software In-Reply-To: <1106657929.5295.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1106657929.5295.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.151, required 6, AWL -1.72, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:58:49 -0500, Russ Wright wrote: > Hello Sluggers! > > I have a friend who owns a small taxi service. He is looking for some > sort of computer hardware/software combination to do the following: > > 1. Log the incoming phone call date/time and phone number from caller > ID. > > 2. Keep an audio record of the conversation between the operator and the > customer for training/customer service purposes. > > 3. It runs in the background and does not interfere with the day to day > operations. > > 4. Provides an interface that he can understand and can review calls. > > Anyone have any ideas? > Have you tried Voice over IP with a OSS PBX? A dedicated box can do that and I'm sure that monitoring features are built in to the packages. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 25 09:25:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PEPVCI017279 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:25:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0PEPVrP017278 for slug-track29; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:25:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PEPUCI017274 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:25:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PEPTTM014102 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:25:29 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PEPAkX006457 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:25:10 -0500 Received: from 16-124.200-68.tampabay.rr.com[68.200.124.16] (helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1CtRcv3ORf-0000iH; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:25:05 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for Software Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 09:25:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <1106657929.5295.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7f48492a0501250537565b0ba3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f48492a0501250537565b0ba3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501250925.05009.steve@szmidt.org> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:f000f2fe99e2d3ebee811612b04e8539 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.81, required 6, AWL -1.81, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 25 January 2005 08:37, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 07:58:49 -0500, Russ Wright > > wrote: > > Hello Sluggers! > > > > I have a friend who owns a small taxi service. He is looking for some > > sort of computer hardware/software combination to do the following: > > > > 1. Log the incoming phone call date/time and phone number from caller > > ID. > > > > 2. Keep an audio record of the conversation between the operator and the > > customer for training/customer service purposes. > > > > 3. It runs in the background and does not interfere with the day to day > > operations. > > > > 4. Provides an interface that he can understand and can review calls. > > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Have you tried Voice over IP with a OSS PBX? A dedicated box can do > that and I'm sure that monitoring features are built in to the > packages. The thing to keep in mind with using the same cpu to process VoIP i sthat if you use it to do something more processor heavy, it will degrade the quality of VoIP. I've been working with software VoIP for two years and it's very sensitive to delays, so we NEVER merge ANYTHING into a VoIP box other than VoIP. True, if he only have one call at a time going on, then the odds are better. Especially if quality is not essential. It's not for nothing you pay thousands for a phone system. The best software VoIP is no doubt Asterisk. But it's no walk in the park building and maintaining. You're going to need to spend some serious time learning. Check out http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk You could of course pay someone to do it for you too. We usually take a high end computer (2.8-3.2G) processor (which is the one doing all the work) and build a VoIP box. But some people are happy with a much slower box for home use. At least if you got the time you can build it and see how it works out under those conditions. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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DIRECTOR OF PROMOTIONS. ___________________________________________________ Check-out GO.com GO get your free GO E-Mail account with expanded storage of 6 MB! http://mail.go.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 25 12:51:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PHpXCI018615 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:51:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0PHpX7h018614 for slug-track29; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:51:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PHpWCI018610 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:51:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PHpVTM021876 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:51:31 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PHp936032377 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:51:09 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0PHp6Ni019042 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:51:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <054601c50306$7234d7c0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <1106657929.5295.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7f48492a0501250537565b0ba3@mail.gmail.com> <200501250925.05009.steve@szmidt.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for Software Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:51:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.45, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > 1. Log the incoming phone call date/time and phone number from caller > > > ID. > > > > > > 2. Keep an audio record of the conversation between the operator and the > > > customer for training/customer service purposes. You are proposing to record the caller (customer) without his knowledge or consent? I strongly suggest you have your attorney advise about this beforehand. - Bob sent at 1251 est ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 25 13:57:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PIv6CI019038 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:57:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0PIv6up019037 for slug-track29; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:57:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PIv6CI019033 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:57:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PIv5TM024453 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:57:05 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PIv0r5028355 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:57:01 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so173954rne for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:57:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=NiIQ4Y2OcRSZvFPzz54ZkAWbVVJ4oeeF9wHDkTdL0DGgocTImhGLiZogc9W1iafZ+Cj7yl6VUahMBCT+RznYrXzSAmlZIIiyVnCfvATTh23qH3Jt9mX3hjbZVEELoOKjD2GI0G/Q82PA2T2heyRi+uRZVuj+pMAMxS4SdYVB0RM= Received: by 10.38.149.55 with SMTP id w55mr320990rnd; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.9 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:57:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e31050125105763dfcc10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 13:57:00 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for Software In-Reply-To: <054601c50306$7234d7c0$0f49490a@fifteen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1106657929.5295.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7f48492a0501250537565b0ba3@mail.gmail.com> <200501250925.05009.steve@szmidt.org> <054601c50306$7234d7c0$0f49490a@fifteen> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.45, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > You are proposing to record the caller (customer) without his > knowledge or consent? I strongly suggest you have your attorney > advise about this beforehand. All you need is a message, "This call may be recorded for quality assurance purposes." At least if the approximately 63 million call centers that do this are anything to go by. But IANAL. -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Jan 25 17:08:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PM8fCI020245 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:08:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0PM8fiZ020244 for slug-track29; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:08:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0PM8eCI020240 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:08:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PM8dTM000718 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:08:40 -0500 Received: from texas3.westcoasthost.com (texas3.westcoasthost.com [66.98.242.3]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0PM8OBd016842 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:08:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200501252208.j0PM8OBd016842@nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net> Received: from 6532162hfc155.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.162.155] helo=ctplaystation) by texas3.westcoasthost.com with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtYrH-0002IF-KN for slug@nks.net; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:08:23 -0500 From: "Travis B. Creighton" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:12:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C50301.1DF93890" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <002e01c50266$528ae040$6eaaa8c0@skullone> thread-index: AcUCZ2bUwy8ixGmjRoCd+eOUCl9oywAw2UMw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - texas3.westcoasthost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - computron-usa.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.404, required 6, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01CA_01C50301.1DF93890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I take it you're at the Brandon NOC? Or are you stuck at Ehrlich? I have a couple of friends over at the Brandon NOC. "It's a small world after all." Travis Creighton, ccna CompuTron - Certified Cisco Networking Associate, - Wired & Wireless Networking, - Web Hosting, - Remote Data Storage, - On-Site Sales & Services * email: Tron@CompuTron-USA.com - * office: 813.264.7060 - * hours: M - F 9:30am - 4pm EST * usps: CompuTron P. O. Box 15591 Tampa, FL 33684 -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Amy Harms Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:45 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner No. As far as I am aware, RR is not "officially" supporting IPv6. It is still in testing. Why take my word for it? I work for the company at the Network Operations Center. Amy Harms -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Richard Smoot Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:13 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Does anyone know if Roadrunner properly handles IPv6? On the SUSE 9.2 Pro install the default is not to activate IPv6, because many ISP's do not handle it properly. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 01:50:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0Q6oACI023729 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:50:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0Q6oAm2023728 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:50:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0Q6o8CI023724 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:50:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0Q6o2TQ032114 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:50:08 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0Q6ndXU007832 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:49:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6552C112FA for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09382-01-2 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.208] (p199-227-193-208.max.acun.net [199.227.193.208]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD58E112D5 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:26:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F73D6D.3000400@acun.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:49:17 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Task bar References: <200412141848.41987.rnr@sanctum.com> <200412160340.53441.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e31041216054317254d7c@mail.gmail.com> <200412160935.34355.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e3104121607352c6315d6@mail.gmail.com> <41C6A827.6030607@acun.com> <41C8F236.2010805@acun.com> <1103730973.13447.71.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1103730973.13447.71.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.765, required 6, AWL 0.49, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Everybody! Last night at the social I heard that there are settings to show all the windows you can access in KDE. How do you access those settings? I see a GUI panel "Configure - KDE Control Module" to control the taskbar, but I can't figure out what I should be looking for in it. Is it "show window list button"? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 09:19:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QEJ7CI026818 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:19:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QEJ75H026817 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:19:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QEJ6CI026813 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:19:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QEJ5TM030030 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:19:05 -0500 Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QEIjXU025344 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:18:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.167.46] (helo=wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net) by barry.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1Cto0K-0000Pm-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <24782703.1106749124868.JavaMail.root@wamui08.slb.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:18:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: "Amy R. Harms" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.315, required 6, AWL -2.31) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yep, I am here at the Brandon NOC. I get to find out what RR and BHN are doing before the paying customer. If anyone on the list has any questions I can help with, just let me know. Amy Harms Killin Time on Planet Earth -----Original Message----- From: "Travis B. Creighton" Sent: Jan 25, 2005 5:12 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner I take it you're at the Brandon NOC? Or are you stuck at Ehrlich? I have a couple of friends over at the Brandon NOC. "It's a small world after all." Travis Creighton, ccna CompuTron - Certified Cisco Networking Associate, - Wired & Wireless Networking, - Web Hosting, - Remote Data Storage, - On-Site Sales & Services * email: Tron@CompuTron-USA.com - * office: 813.264.7060 - * hours: M - F 9:30am - 4pm EST * usps: CompuTron P. O. Box 15591 Tampa, FL 33684 -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Amy Harms Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 5:45 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner No. As far as I am aware, RR is not "officially" supporting IPv6. It is still in testing. Why take my word for it? I work for the company at the Network Operations Center. Amy Harms -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Richard Smoot Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 4:13 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IPv6 and Roadrunner Does anyone know if Roadrunner properly handles IPv6? On the SUSE 9.2 Pro install the default is not to activate IPv6, because many ISP's do not handle it properly. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 10:00:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QF0vCI027117 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:00:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QF0vNq027116 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:00:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QF0vCI027112 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:00:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QF0tTS032559 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:00:56 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QExPXU031205 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:59:25 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0QExKvI013716 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:59:20 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0QEw4iF013115; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:04 GMT Message-Id: <200501261458.j0QEw4iF013115@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:58:03 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Task bar Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:57:17 -0500 References: <200412141848.41987.rnr@sanctum.com> <1103730973.13447.71.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> <41F73D6D.3000400@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <41F73D6D.3000400@acun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1106751483-3822007.00751176 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.655, required 6, AWL -2.36, BAYES_40 -0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 26 January 2005 01:49 am, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > Last night at the social I heard that there are settings to show all the > windows you can access in KDE. Does the "Show Windows from all Desktops" do what you want? It's in this same menu as "show window list button". I'm unclear on what you mean by "show all the windows you can access". Could you expound? Thanks! -Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 10:02:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QF2OCI027132 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QF2Okd027131 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QF2NCI027127 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QF2MTM032728 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:23 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QF1xXU000631 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:01:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (114-22.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.22.114]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0QF1rNi012324 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.4]); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:03 -0500 Message-ID: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:02 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] voip overview, please References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.316, required 6, AWL -0.96, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was wondering if someone could give me an overview of voip in a plain english, non-sales pitch type of way.... I'm sick of paying Verizon $30 a month, I would love to try something like Asterisk, but don't know if Asterisk is right for my simple needs/implementation. Let me say that I was one of the original Dialpad users, and I used the heck out of it... I loved it! It allowed me to call my fiance who was at school several times a day without paying long distance. I would like to have that capablility again, and I hear the sound quality is much better these days! Is Asterisk good for a simple home installation? I just want outbound calling. I don't want to buy a bunch of hardware. I have a couple of PCs I can dedicate. Sorry if I'm showing my ignorance, but did I read somewhere that I can use analog phone equipment?? Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 10:21:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QFLcCI027266 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QFLcpu027264 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QFLbCI027260 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QFLVTQ001654 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:37 -0500 Received: from mybox.mydomain.com (64-207-204-23.ips.mynethost.com [64.207.204.23] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QFKL3h008914 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:20:21 -0500 Received: from [192.216.210.79] (helo=D94ZB121) by mybox.mydomain.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1Ctowo-0001iA-VW for slug@nks.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:19:11 -0600 From: "jhaydon" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:21:47 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c503e4$aa2e1220$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4942.400 In-reply-to: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.931, required 6, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 1.93) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There is an article in Linux Magazine about Skype. James Haydon Systems Analyst The J.M. Stewart Corporation stewartsigns.com -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric A. Hicks Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:02 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] voip overview, please I was wondering if someone could give me an overview of voip in a plain english, non-sales pitch type of way.... I'm sick of paying Verizon $30 a month, I would love to try something like Asterisk, but don't know if Asterisk is right for my simple needs/implementation. Let me say that I was one of the original Dialpad users, and I used the heck out of it... I loved it! It allowed me to call my fiance who was at school several times a day without paying long distance. I would like to have that capablility again, and I hear the sound quality is much better these days! Is Asterisk good for a simple home installation? I just want outbound calling. I don't want to buy a bunch of hardware. I have a couple of PCs I can dedicate. Sorry if I'm showing my ignorance, but did I read somewhere that I can use analog phone equipment?? Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 10:21:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QFLdCI027272 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QFLcJu027271 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QFLcCI027265 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QFLVTS001654 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:21:38 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QFKM3h008997 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:20:22 -0500 Received: from billspc (95-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.95]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0QFKKNi026542 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:20:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501261520.j0QFKKNi026542@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:20:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcUDubiMqVHMGmNUQfeHMBY1rQNzFQAAE0YQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric A. Hicks > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:02 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] voip overview, please > > I was wondering if someone could give me an overview of voip in a plain > english, non-sales pitch type of way.... > > I'm sick of paying Verizon $30 a month, I would love to try something > like Asterisk, but don't know if Asterisk is right for my simple > needs/implementation. Let me say that I was one of the original Dialpad > users, and I used the heck out of it... I loved it! It allowed me to > call my fiance who was at school several times a day without paying long > distance. I would like to have that capablility again, and I hear the > sound quality is much better these days! > > Is Asterisk good for a simple home installation? I just want outbound > calling. I don't want to buy a bunch of hardware. I have a couple of > PCs I can dedicate. Sorry if I'm showing my ignorance, but did I read > somewhere that I can use analog phone equipment?? > > Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks. I have Vonage. I pay $14.95/month for 500 minutes of talk-time. I bought a Vonage start-up kit at Circuit City for about$60, I think. My broadband provider is Road Runner. I have the Vonage set up as follows: Coax cable from wall to Vonage device My plain ol' cordless telephone plugs into the Vonage device. My wireless router also plugs into the Vonage device. It's really that simple. Sound quality is good, service is good. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 10:59:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QFxfCI027534 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:59:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QFxfPN027533 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:59:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QFxeCI027529 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:59:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QFxeTM003538 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:59:40 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QFxI3h015930 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:59:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.160] ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23414 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:45:08 -0500 Message-ID: <41F7BD01.9050206@washpat.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:53:37 -0500 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting location changed cancel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.425, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL 0.78) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Without being vulgar, the university at the last minute decided to charge $100 to use the room. So we will stay at the library. Sorry. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 11:11:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QGB3CI027632 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:11:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QGB3Uf027631 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:11:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QGB2CI027627 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:11:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QGB1TM004019 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:11:02 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.244]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QGAlr5011909 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:10:47 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so13193cwc for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:10:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=VqDcOnjB9OySGwz9WRATq/T/akiN07MF1TMeFTNAMeZa7HVWjuH3Qn+Tz9iMAajxbVmS2osQZ6AECQFeRDG/DblCPhPCeWHqG5sGjwtIiH/NasDbFee7E8hVghc86NcVDipxuKmLWSsKMMk2EyF2rjhsYUhe4ViUO/j78GSp1sA= Received: by 10.11.118.11 with SMTP id q11mr40402cwc; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:10:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd050126081043ef71fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:10:44 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please In-Reply-To: <200501261520.j0QFKKNi026542@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> <200501261520.j0QFKKNi026542@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.865, required 6, AWL 1.03, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Coax cable from wall to Vonage device > My plain ol' cordless telephone plugs into the Vonage device. > My wireless router also plugs into the Vonage device. Is it really the case that the vonage device replaces the cable modem? Or does the cable modem sit in-between... like coax cable from wall to cable modem, and ethernet (or whatever) from cable modem to vonage device? ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 11:27:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QGRECI027751 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:27:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QGREL4027750 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:27:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QGRDCI027746 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:27:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QGRCTO005328 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:27:13 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QGQxr5013844 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:59 -0500 Received: from billspc (95-152.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.152.95]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0QGQukv021424 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200501261626.j0QGQukv021424@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:26:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <125d27dd050126081043ef71fa@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcUDw2sVaM5o3iffSNWMd7hmcfL1TQAACOdg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.212, required 6, AWL -1.69, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Jarboe > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:11 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please > > > Coax cable from wall to Vonage device > > My plain ol' cordless telephone plugs into the Vonage device. > > My wireless router also plugs into the Vonage device. > > Is it really the case that the vonage device replaces the cable modem? > Or does the cable modem sit in-between... like coax cable from wall > to cable modem, and ethernet (or whatever) from cable modem to vonage > device? > No, the vonage device doesn't replace the cable modem. I forgot about that piece of hardware. From wall to cable modem via coax, cable modem to vonage device via network cable. Vonage device to router via network cable. Phone plugs into the vonage device. The vonage device has two phone plugs so you can have 2 phone lines if you desire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 11:28:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QGSdCI027765 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QGSdp9027764 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QGScCI027760 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QGSYTM005381 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:38 -0500 Received: from lists.vasoftware.com (internalmx2.vasoftware.com [12.152.184.150]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QGSHBd015472 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:28:17 -0500 Received: from 653415hfc160.tampabay.rr.com ([65.34.15.160]:33413 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by lists.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.20 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ctq1A-00078h-Rj by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:27:44 -0800 Message-ID: <41F7C4E9.4080704@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:27:21 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please References: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> <200501261520.j0QFKKNi026542@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <125d27dd050126081043ef71fa@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd050126081043ef71fa@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EA-Verified: lists.vasoftware.com 1Ctq1A-00078h-Rj 4626b11b8b35bf08197fb2e25cde52fb X-Spam-Score: -199.1 (---------------------------------------------------) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.992, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_HEAD_HDR_XSPAMSC 0.56) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Or does the cable modem sit in-between... like coax cable from wall >to cable modem, and ethernet (or whatever) from cable modem to vonage >device? > That's how it works for me - can plug Vonage device into cable or DSL modem or whatever with Cat5. But for various reasons I'm sticking with Verizon unlimited l/d, plus Skype for computer-to-computer calls. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 14:49:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QJnlCI029098 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QJnl17029097 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QJnlCI029093 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QJnkTM017010 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:46 -0500 Received: from web52208.mail.yahoo.com (web52208.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.90]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0QJnbBd004983 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:49:37 -0500 Received: (qmail 71936 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2005 19:49:37 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=G3IrO5iS9w2OrDo2ymLEbsMfs8zRIFwSWCok6dKbBUlLSa8oRhHn70d9fji8rj3Dsc/3x3eGDaBEyOSZ31mHiqWMbfr5yOVeeII7h+1NqWbviQdA6Sdaeit3Y7Qk900NB0XNIPshs4sQHE3B9ZhKHTi4WwSbeEuyJD8wgzEWC8I= ; Message-ID: <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.56.118.78] by web52208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:49:36 PST Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:49:36 -0800 (PST) From: gregory ogden Subject: [SLUG] formatting hard drive To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.175, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello, Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running Fedora and having some problems, so would like to start over. Thanks Gregg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 15:11:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKBiCI029262 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:11:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QKBiS4029261 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:11:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKBaCI029257 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:11:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKBXTM018294 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:11:34 -0500 Received: from www.inside.squeak.cc (bdsl.66.15.187.160.gte.net [66.15.187.160]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKBRm2011447 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:11:27 -0500 Received: from www.inside.squeak.cc (www.inside.squeak.cc [127.0.0.1]) by www.inside.squeak.cc (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j0MGS4dC007824 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:28:04 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.inside.squeak.cc (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j0MGS4H7007823; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:28:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.inside.squeak.cc: apache set sender to jr@squeak.cc using -f Received: from 12.96.57.120 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jr); by www.squeak.cc with HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:28:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48389.12.96.57.120.1106411284.squirrel@www.squeak.cc> In-Reply-To: <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200501162123.01937.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:28:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive From: jr@squeak.cc To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-5 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.159, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda ( assuming ide, etc ... ) that will take a while dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 that will blow away the partition table > Hello, > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > start over. Thanks > > Gregg > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 15:30:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKUvCI029408 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:30:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QKUvnC029407 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:30:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKUQCI029403 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:30:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKU8TQ019259 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:30:22 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKP4tn026784 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:25:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E924D for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:25:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F7FC8B.4010501@digitalhermit.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:24:43 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive References: <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.506, required 6, AWL -1.72, BAYES_20 -1.43, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net gregory ogden wrote: > Hello, > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > start over. Thanks You can use fdisk to delete partitions on a disk. E.g., "fdisk /dev/hda" then delete them one by one. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 15:46:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKkDCI029503 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QKkDut029502 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKkBCI029498 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:46:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKk2TM020127 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:46:03 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKjWtn028322 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:45:32 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so135366rne for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:45:31 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=Mkd9mCD2xDttv5sxioUucZGHQnQQRQ7ipxSnOXwvIxMec9c9KD0h7LJHWfpQK5Kxhjg9VEl+yogHH/HI1Z3X3tdnzvdxQvoSATRxdwYsVdlZQvTXiVVCSLcceaoIamrHsAiXFfllON7u8VFPLEd/Wz0gULFxHcjifbGkhrhu/gw= Received: by 10.38.24.38 with SMTP id 38mr358176rnx; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 58sm19695rnc.2005.01.26.12.45.30; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:45:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:45:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUDuQi3UZ1MdeR1TiOy7p+bthGTxwALryWw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <41f8016b.0d3be41c.2759.0409@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.198, required 6, AWL -2.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That would be fine for computer-to-computer calling, but you still need access to the PSTN somewhere to do computer-to-telephone calling. I've been using AT&T CallVantage since before it was available in Florida (I've been helping them test the service and devices), and for that $30 a month I get far more features than Verizon charges $50 - $60 for. > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eric A. Hicks > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:02 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] voip overview, please > > I was wondering if someone could give me an overview of voip in a plain > english, non-sales pitch type of way.... > > I'm sick of paying Verizon $30 a month, I would love to try something > like Asterisk, but don't know if Asterisk is right for my simple > needs/implementation. Let me say that I was one of the original Dialpad > users, and I used the heck out of it... I loved it! It allowed me to > call my fiance who was at school several times a day without paying long > distance. I would like to have that capablility again, and I hear the > sound quality is much better these days! > > Is Asterisk good for a simple home installation? I just want outbound > calling. I don't want to buy a bunch of hardware. I have a couple of > PCs I can dedicate. Sorry if I'm showing my ignorance, but did I read > somewhere that I can use analog phone equipment?? > > Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 15:54:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKsGCI029572 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QKsGeA029571 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKsECI029567 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKr2TO020518 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:53:14 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKqKDu012382 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:52:20 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so136412rne for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:52:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=SasFz1VTiMJflhjCQ/A9oCm1C8CF+yZ6hvVTV7AYZuXhWOoN2kVhyFmBdwrhG5AanT4wxhPrdqkSEqt08+Po3CFfxelTPi5nPHv5eVIgmLhV8idKSdfAtEGiZD/V8+yI2uo0eMFx8SC4SlwN5fo2SksbYZNjidFo1iZrhW6BMz8= Received: by 10.38.149.2 with SMTP id w2mr342868rnd; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:52:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 71sm35145rnc.2005.01.26.12.52.19; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:52:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUDwpbk3AcfUhnyRfe/JXWqOXdhJQAJhuBg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <125d27dd050126081043ef71fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41f80304.4a12ec32.2767.05d1@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.013, required 6, AWL -1.80, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Is it really the case that the vonage device replaces the cable modem? > Or does the cable modem sit in-between... like coax cable from wall > to cable modem, and ethernet (or whatever) from cable modem to vonage > device? No. On my network the connection is Cloud -> Cable Modem -> VoIP Gateway -> Router -> PCs/Mac. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 15:54:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKsHCI029578 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QKsHiH029577 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKsECK029567 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKmGTQ020245 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:48:21 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKkam2014449 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:46:36 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so122525rne for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:46:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=IjrBuyC7E5Q3LusTiXPeDjgpIY/vPMlHiNwhSY3Hvdoe6XOCttk+Yl3IF4I95O8gBumHg6tBgvsRFFrXIW7UcOa//tp8iAC4osoADgTjjClshT2dwdwMZ3XieKmu3CgZMyD2f2qnDOv8t/lB/KWJYKTZibuWCSKTRhK5Or4r55A= Received: by 10.38.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr169362rnb; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:46:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 70sm35247rnb.2005.01.26.12.46.35; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:46:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:46:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUDw2sVaM5o3iffSNWMd7hmcfL1TQAACOdgAAkez0A= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <200501261626.j0QGQukv021424@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <41f801ac.79311d4c.7801.05e7@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.629, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > No, the vonage device doesn't replace the cable modem. I forgot about that > piece of hardware. From wall to cable modem via coax, cable modem to > vonage > device via network cable. Vonage device to router via network cable. Phone > plugs into the vonage device. The vonage device has two phone plugs so you > can have 2 phone lines if you desire. You can also put the VoIP box after the router, but in doing so you lose the ability to prioritize voice traffic. I had been two doing VoIP gateways (one in front of the router, one behind) until recently. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 15:54:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKsLCI029584 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QKsLlJ029583 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QKsECM029567 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:54:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKnwTM020277 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:50:00 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QKnnm2014589 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:49:49 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so123124rne for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:49:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:message-id; b=eOdk/KtVubRxfg6iDV3kLBlVLEestP6z7BSx7NKBKfeMO7TOh9402LJjAzZobJOSkKNkX6Sa1eVNMmtLQM2sFE3V7pma+525tO1EY7ZNKirKLfAJnXX9PmNgy9lAkQzGCqYLDoGWYox6mYcmDoVzQK7bmp9us/8z47s3VKw15WI= Received: by 10.38.150.44 with SMTP id x44mr177486rnd; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 71sm33915rna.2005.01.26.12.49.48; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] formatting hard drive Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:49:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUD4W2GYnKZpiS3SSqikauc2fpMWAABx6YQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <41f8026d.7a723b45.2bcc.0614@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.578, required 6, AWL -2.37, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Do a simple reinstall from the install CD, and have it reformat the HD. > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of gregory ogden > Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:50 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] formatting hard drive > > Hello, > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > start over. Thanks > > Gregg > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. > http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 16:35:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QLZCCI029873 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:35:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QLZCmR029872 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:35:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QLZACI029868 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:35:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QLKsTM022267 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:55 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QLKCtn031774 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:20:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB55BFFB52 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:20:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Xorg root only login Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:07:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501261607.02237.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.698, required 6, AWL -2.49, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I upgraded a system from RedHat 9.0 to Fedora Core 2. Although I could log into the X console with XFree86 as any user, I cannot do this now after the upgrade to Xorg. In fact, only root is allowed to do so. What happened, and how do I go about fixing this? /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 17:03:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QM3iCI030061 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QM3iKr030060 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QM3gCI030056 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QM3eTM024684 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:41 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QM3DDu020021 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:13 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so147288rne for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:03:13 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ap3WjxOd02wWCcod47XaTFCn2Mzspeyiccsnp9RXXgmKUcoaSn+ggOac9P//8jI+7gpRKet0i1bu7Bm5/3ba8EwAVCtYo64GvLCVeLhIUKWv2WM9oa9Dz8nNc3GWJu0uhaV9z+IkzG1CE4am6RkjrTFzzxbHqYciSLR2SMyifuw= Received: by 10.38.72.21 with SMTP id u21mr255686rna; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.68 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:03:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:13 -0500 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] custom knoppix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net im currently running VMWare workstation 4.5 thru redhat but im considering making of having made a custom knoppix LiveCD with VMWare built onto it. if i buy a copy of VMWare and bring it and a copy of knoppix 3.7 to the port richey meeting (closeest one i can get to) is there anybody on the list that can build them together onto a single LiveCD? i dont need anything else on the knoppix disk since ill be running everything thru VMWare so all the games and most of the aps can be removed is space is an issue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 17:16:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QMGVCI030145 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:16:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QMGV7P030144 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:16:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QMGUCI030140 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:16:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QMGMTM025262 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:16:26 -0500 Received: from smtp.kennedykrieger.org (smtp.kennedykrieger.org [12.110.106.21]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0QMG6to003700 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:16:07 -0500 Received: from 10.2.68.108 ([192.168.170.200]) by smtp.kennedykrieger.org (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005012617154612080 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:15:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xorg root only login From: "R. Samuel Jose, Jr." To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200501261607.02237.mario@alienscience.com> References: <200501261607.02237.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:15:23 -0500 Message-Id: <1106777723.26131.14.camel@delilah> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.379, required 6, AWL -2.52, BAYES_01 -1.52, SARE_RECV_SUSP_3 1.67) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 16:07 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I upgraded a system from RedHat 9.0 to Fedora Core 2. Although I could log > into the X console with XFree86 as any user, I cannot do this now after the > upgrade to Xorg. In fact, only root is allowed to do so. > > What happened, and how do I go about fixing this? > > /mario > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. I've seen similar behavior on one of my Gentoo boxes after I update Xorg. For some reason it sets the ownership of non-root user home directories to root so Gnome can't read my config files when I log in as a non-root user and I get shuffled back to the login screen. When I set the permissions back to what they should be, I can login again. Not sure why it only happens on one box. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 17:45:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QMjwCI030351 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QMjwIH030350 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QMjtCI030346 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QMjdTM026774 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:54 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QMjHDu023735 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:45:26 -0500 Received: from pcp03956304pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.60.231] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtvuF-0008Fl-F5 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:44:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050126194937.71934.qmail@web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vd9gxyO4epUyEy1xDpQT" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:44:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1106779499.1704.1.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.175, required 6, AWL -2.52, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-vd9gxyO4epUyEy1xDpQT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:49 -0800, gregory ogden wrote: > Hello, > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > start over. Thanks There is always my favorite: rm -rf / TheLogan --=20 17:40:01 up 19 days, 9:17, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.37, 0.72 Outside of the killings, Washington D.C. has one of the lowest crime rates = in the country. -- Marion Barry ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-vd9gxyO4epUyEy1xDpQT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB+B1r3OecGqSbkyMRAvP3AKDOOuld8sI1UTFFV6JZor8bhgBfVwCgnLIk Pxk7v6oHYsL5v67szlAXS+A= =hP99 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vd9gxyO4epUyEy1xDpQT-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 18:01:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QN1hCI030471 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:01:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QN1hee030470 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:01:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QN1fCI030466 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:01:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QN1bTW027636 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:01:41 -0500 Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QN09vd009156 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:00:09 -0500 Received: from [24.144.115.252] (helo=BPC) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ctw8u-0003h7-VG for slug@nks.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:00:09 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c503fa$ca218970$6601a8c0@BPC> From: "xcalibre" To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] custom knoppix Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:00:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dfb96e40960d403f852a5658d91485b6b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.115.252 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.404, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Problem with that. If you were to get the VMWare on there you will not have the abillity to load and run anything on that VMWare! One not enough ram, two that will be on a cd so you can not install the os on to that once the cd is finalized! ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris lee" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: [SLUG] custom knoppix > im currently running VMWare workstation 4.5 thru redhat but im > considering making of having made a custom knoppix LiveCD with VMWare > built onto it. if i buy a copy of VMWare and bring it and a copy of > knoppix 3.7 to the port richey meeting (closeest one i can get to) is > there anybody on the list that can build them together onto a single > LiveCD? > > i dont need anything else on the knoppix disk since ill be running > everything thru VMWare so all the games and most of the aps can be > removed is space is an issue. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 18:24:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QNOTCI030628 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:24:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0QNOTP9030627 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:24:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0QNOSCI030623 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:24:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QNOQTO029235 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:24:27 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0QNOLm2030882 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:24:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA394D for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:24:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F8269F.5020709@digitalhermit.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:24:15 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xorg root only login References: <200501261607.02237.mario@alienscience.com> <1106777723.26131.14.camel@delilah> In-Reply-To: <1106777723.26131.14.camel@delilah> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net R. Samuel Jose, Jr. wrote: > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 16:07 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >>I upgraded a system from RedHat 9.0 to Fedora Core 2. Although I could log >>into the X console with XFree86 as any user, I cannot do this now after the >>upgrade to Xorg. In fact, only root is allowed to do so. >> >>What happened, and how do I go about fixing this? >> >>/mario >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > I've seen similar behavior on one of my Gentoo boxes after I update > Xorg. For some reason it sets the ownership of non-root user home > directories to root so Gnome can't read my config files when I log in as > a non-root user and I get shuffled back to the login screen. When I set > the permissions back to what they should be, I can login again. > > Not sure why it only happens on one box. Not sure about FC2 or Gentoo, but you folks may want to check the /etc/security settings. Among other things, the settings there will automatically reset permissions of device files, mounts, directories, etc... In Fedora Core 3 I had to tweak a few entries to allow my NVidia drivers to work after a reboot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 19:18:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0IQCI030991 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:18:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R0IQYD030990 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:18:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0IPCI030986 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:18:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0IOTM032397 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:18:24 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0I5wg032038 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:18:05 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0R0I3rP022775 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:18:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:17:48 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive In-Reply-To: <1106779499.1704.1.camel@sirus> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:49 -0800, gregory ogden wrote: > > Hello, > > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > > start over. Thanks > > There is always my favorite: > > rm -rf / Leaves the partition data and the filesystem intact, and it's slower than umount /dev/hda1 # or whichever partition mkfs -t /dev/hda1 mount /dev/hda1 # if it's listed in /etc/fstab -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 19:41:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0ffCI031189 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:41:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R0fflw031188 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:41:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0feCI031184 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:41:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0fbTk001671 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:41:39 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [66.252.134.3]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0dqvd028812 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:39:53 -0500 Received: from pcp03956304pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.60.231] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CtxhM-0000ye-7V for slug@nks.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:39:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-rDWGMRYQcqd58t+7Nz7j" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:39:49 -0500 Message-Id: <1106786389.1704.10.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-rDWGMRYQcqd58t+7Nz7j Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 19:17 -0500, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Logan Tygart wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:49 -0800, gregory ogden wrote: > > > Hello, > > > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > > > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > > > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > > > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > > > start over. Thanks > >=20 > > There is always my favorite: > >=20 > > rm -rf / >=20 > Leaves the partition data and the filesystem intact, and it's slower than >=20 > umount /dev/hda1 # or whichever partition > mkfs -t /dev/hda1 > mount /dev/hda1 # if it's listed in /etc/fstab >=20 Jeez! Its MY favorite, in the style of a BOFH! It was meant as humor, so ge= t off my case, Torquemada. The Logan --=20 19:30:01 up 19 days, 11:07, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.08, 0.09 "The human brain is like an enormous fish; it is flat and slimy and has gil= ls through which it can see." -- Monty Python ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-rDWGMRYQcqd58t+7Nz7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB+DhV3OecGqSbkyMRAoy/AJ9G7M6JqB4rvBh1cQddtDIAL58VagCfW8U1 KxaNb6OebTHXwZrLeHMz+j8= =o32x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-rDWGMRYQcqd58t+7Nz7j-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 19:42:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0gWCI031200 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R0gWs0031199 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0gVCI031195 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0gRTO001815 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:30 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0g3Du004941 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:04 -0500 Received: from 16-124.200-68.tampabay.rr.com[68.200.124.16] (helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1CtxjX1guo-0002ib; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:03 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:42:02 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501261942.02966.steve@szmidt.org> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:f000f2fe99e2d3ebee811612b04e8539 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 26 January 2005 10:02, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > I was wondering if someone could give me an overview of voip in a plain > english, non-sales pitch type of way.... > > I'm sick of paying Verizon $30 a month, I would love to try something > like Asterisk, but don't know if Asterisk is right for my simple > needs/implementation. Let me say that I was one of the original Dialpad > users, and I used the heck out of it... I loved it! It allowed me to > call my fiance who was at school several times a day without paying long > distance. I would like to have that capablility again, and I hear the > sound quality is much better these days! > > Is Asterisk good for a simple home installation? I just want outbound > calling. I don't want to buy a bunch of hardware. I have a couple of > PCs I can dedicate. Sorry if I'm showing my ignorance, but did I read > somewhere that I can use analog phone equipment?? > > Any enlightenment would be appreciated. Thanks. OK, I've been working with Asterisk for over a year and Asterisk can be used just fine for a single line. It has a lot of really cool features. You would need to spend a few dollars to get a method of connecting to the phone line and your phone(s). It could vary up to about $350 for a card that supports up to four add-on cards that can each be either for a phone line or a phone. If you use VoIP phones you save money on cards but spend them on phones instead. A decent cheap VoIP phone is about $70. The real challenge comes with configuring it. This will depend entirely how well you wrap your mind around something completely different. You can build a box from blank drive to working system in an hour. But if you just don't "get it", then you might never get past the demo, if you're smart enough to follow the instructions. Once you do get it it is a lot of fun. You can f.ex. have specific messages that is played when specific people call. Or by area code or something. A full fledged voicemail system is included. Tons of features that if you know how, can be integrated with your computer. For home though, it's the ability to have all of your daughters calls ring directly through to her extension (if you have one, in which case I just closed you on doing it : ) You also have a call record for every call made. You can block her from making international calls f.ex. Put a passcode for long distance calls, etc. It will be a lot of work until you get the hang of it. Then it will be a blast. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 19:48:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0mGCI031244 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:48:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R0mGgV031243 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:48:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R0mECI031239 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:48:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0m4To002050 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:48:13 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R0cNtn019249 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:38:23 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so166200rne for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:38:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=YtEhyafbo4SfDKEhQd85CpNfXf1Vn8Nv337xtxhjU+4nE4P6EG1LdtCRB55ifAJW1S8dj3asW5FIr5teMsG8fEEaFd102ukcQGzHc9VEfgswWRwhJ92/JDBMCm6pPGz0MXgh5saB+QZrYCKyst6aW3PRDS29vTXV8RISZdFJqlA= Received: by 10.38.149.41 with SMTP id w41mr102420rnd; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.162.68 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:38:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:38:23 -0500 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1106779499.1704.1.camel@sirus> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.052, required 6, AWL -0.62, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i use dban to wipe and sysrescueCD to reformat. both are on sourceforge On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:17:48 -0500 (EST), Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:49 -0800, gregory ogden wrote: > > > Hello, > > > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > > > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > > > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > > > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > > > start over. Thanks > > > > There is always my favorite: > > > > rm -rf / > > Leaves the partition data and the filesystem intact, and it's slower than > > umount /dev/hda1 # or whichever partition > mkfs -t /dev/hda1 > mount /dev/hda1 # if it's listed in /etc/fstab > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > > Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and > I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 20:17:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R1HdCI031458 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R1HdM1031457 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R1HcCI031453 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R1HcTM004108 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:38 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R1H5wg009759 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:10 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0R1H3Ns020319 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:16:49 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive In-Reply-To: <1106786389.1704.10.camel@sirus> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 19:17 -0500, Eben King wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:49 -0800, gregory ogden wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > > > > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > > > > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > > > > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > > > > start over. Thanks > > > > > > There is always my favorite: > > > > > > rm -rf / > > > > Leaves the partition data and the filesystem intact, and it's slower than > > > > umount /dev/hda1 # or whichever partition > > mkfs -t /dev/hda1 > > mount /dev/hda1 # if it's listed in /etc/fstab > > Jeez! Its MY favorite, in the style of a BOFH! It was meant as humor, so > get off my case, Torquemada. Sorry; I fail to recognize humor (or trolls for that matter) way to often. -eb"not expecting the Spanish Inquisition"en ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 20:18:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R1I6CI031469 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R1I6ni031468 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R1I5CI031464 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R1I5TM004118 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:18:05 -0500 Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R1Hrtn024731 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:53 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([4.10.237.118]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050127011750.QTLZ7873.out006.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:17:50 -0600 From: Donald E Haselwood To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:17:48 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501262017.48990.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.10.237.118] at Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:17:50 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=6.334, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is there a way to read/convert .wps files (MS Works created) in linux? I have a friend who is just computer literate enough to send emails and he occassionally attaches a .wps file. I ask what he used to generate it, and he said, "Whatever came with the machine." I found a MS convertor that "sort of" converts it for use with Word 97 (one can see the ascii embedded in all sorts of garbage special chars), but I haven't run across anything on the Linux side. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 22:53:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R3rWCI032561 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:53:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R3rWwu032560 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:53:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R3rVCI032556 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:53:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R3rUTS015383 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:53:31 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R3p0wg005660 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:51:01 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0R3owiM004663; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:50:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F8651B.8010607@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:50:51 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please References: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.572, required 6, AWL -2.22, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I'm sick of paying Verizon $30 a month, I would love to try something > like Asterisk, but don't know if Asterisk is right for my simple > needs/implementation. Remember, when your computer is off, or there is a power failure, your telephone system will be down. I rode out two hurricanes with no electricity, but my telephones (both lines) never flicked. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 23:05:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R45pCI032645 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R45pFi032644 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R45oCI032640 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R45iTS016191 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:49 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R44xvd010652 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:04:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.102] (114-22.73-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.73.22.114]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0R44uiM010659 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [265.7.4]); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:07 -0500 Message-ID: <41F86871.6040609@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:05:05 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please References: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> <200501261942.02966.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200501261942.02966.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.645, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm going to try to load Asterisk this weekend. I'll probably d/l the live CD tomorrow just to familiarize myself with it. I'm not intimidated by the install... I'm pretty tenacious when given a challenge. Anyway, what do you do to connect your Asterisk PBX to the PSTN (did I get my acronyms right?) I'm assuming you have to pay for a service of some sort. Some mentioned Vonage, etc... but I'd be paying just as much for Vonage as my regular Verizon acct! I'm looking for a way to set up Asterisk and be able to make outbound calls at a minimum. However, I'd like to do inbound and outbound and have a real phone number for my inbound. Is that possible for less than $30/month? steve szmidt wrote: >OK, I've been working with Asterisk for over a year and Asterisk can be used >just fine for a single line. It has a lot of really cool features. > >You would need to spend a few dollars to get a method of connecting to the >phone line and your phone(s). It could vary up to about $350 for a card that >supports up to four add-on cards that can each be either for a phone line or >a phone. > >If you use VoIP phones you save money on cards but spend them on phones >instead. A decent cheap VoIP phone is about $70. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 23:28:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R4SuCI000355 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R4SuLD000354 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R4StCI000350 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R4SoTM017739 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R4ShDu000450 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.106] (43-181.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0R4SeiM021177 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:28:41 -0500 (EST) From: jeff To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:30:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200501262017.48990.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200501262017.48990.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-Fun: Without walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501262330.36878.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.406, required 6, AWL -2.40, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 26 January 2005 8:17, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > Is there a way to read/convert .wps files (MS Works created) in linux? > > I have a friend who is just computer literate enough to send emails and he > occassionally attaches a .wps file. I ask what he used to generate it, and > he said, "Whatever came with the machine." I found a MS convertor that > "sort of" converts it for use with Word 97 (one can see the ascii embedded > in all sorts of garbage special chars), but I haven't run across anything > on the Linux side. > > Don I don't think that there is a converter for Linux. If there is , I haven't encountered it yet. After a few people had sent me files with a".wps" extension and finding that you can't do anything with them if you don't have MSWorks, I realised that wps was the perfect acronym... what a piece of s**tware. Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 23:46:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R4kaCI000485 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:46:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R4kaWc000484 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:46:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R4kZCI000480 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:46:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R4kZTM018930 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:46:35 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R4kPCR000309 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:46:25 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so42128wri for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:46:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=fsmsDm3sY6colF0Wp5LsgOWV8xE9OAnSeqACoQDamyqmYA1qbJ9IrNakuJrw4gvtO4kKIFd3+w5g2BqVihnyltPKXUFcLa3YrYqDY53m883fe+wsSCMv5s9tA0xDLdnfyKuQbEk5mEUP25/56hV4LowdgXI+0JT+S8VipEXNq8w= Received: by 10.54.25.36 with SMTP id 36mr484770wry; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.23 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:46:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a050126204650a6e483@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:46:14 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting location changed cancel In-Reply-To: <41F7BD01.9050206@washpat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41F7BD01.9050206@washpat.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.153, required 6, AWL -2.15, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:53:37 -0500, aaron steimle wrote: > Without being vulgar, the university at the last minute decided to > charge $100 to use the room. So we will stay at the library. Sorry. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Ouch.... but you know USF had to pay for that massive raise to the President somehow. (~$50,000). I did like the library though, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Jan 26 23:48:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R4mXCI000500 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R4mX0w000499 for slug-track29; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R4mWCI000495 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R4mVTM018968 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:32 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R4mKDu002352 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:20 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 67so42312wri for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:20 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hH+MYhr6bezze2CxBZWjUTGvxsYRACwsEHdQFMBrWsdMep6Vzx82e5xbPyYgUj0fLUc84Fh9TgEz7KvpzHMTbTP7d6k3Kc17UxiUYmmmtDuZJV60J7i84LTdmi3rtDMWqaYvMhj/TUJuZBQK07SLLqaErCq+mOCOOqr5OFEhOFY= Received: by 10.54.2.11 with SMTP id 11mr133694wrb; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.23 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:48:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f48492a05012620487848e3fc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:20 -0500 From: Christopher Hotchkiss To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1106786389.1704.10.camel@sirus> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.45, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:16:49 -0500 (EST), Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 19:17 -0500, Eben King wrote: > > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 11:49 -0800, gregory ogden wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > Is there a command for wiping a hard drive clean > > > > > of all data?. I want to start over installing the OS > > > > > with a clean slate. I'm a complete novice, running > > > > > Fedora and having some problems, so would like to > > > > > start over. Thanks > > > > > > > > There is always my favorite: > > > > > > > > rm -rf / > > > > > > Leaves the partition data and the filesystem intact, and it's slower than > > > > > > umount /dev/hda1 # or whichever partition > > > mkfs -t /dev/hda1 > > > mount /dev/hda1 # if it's listed in /etc/fstab > > > > Jeez! Its MY favorite, in the style of a BOFH! It was meant as humor, so > > get off my case, Torquemada. > > Sorry; I fail to recognize humor (or trolls for that matter) way to often. > > -eb"not expecting the Spanish Inquisition"en > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Nah you guys need to do it accidentally, like 'rm -rf / *'. -- Christopher Hotchkiss (813)960-9273 http://www.post227.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 01:00:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R60ZCI001007 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R60ZON001006 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R60XCI001002 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R60VTS024413 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:33 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R60EDu011727 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:15 -0500 Received: from 16-124.200-68.tampabay.rr.com[68.200.124.16] (helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz1m-1Cu2hS0qhk-0000cc; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:14 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:00:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501261942.02966.steve@szmidt.org> <41F86871.6040609@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41F86871.6040609@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501270100.13687.steve@szmidt.org> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:f000f2fe99e2d3ebee811612b04e8539 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 26 January 2005 23:05, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > I'm going to try to load Asterisk this weekend. I'll probably d/l the > live CD tomorrow just to familiarize myself with it. I'm not > intimidated by the install... I'm pretty tenacious when given a challenge. > > Anyway, what do you do to connect your Asterisk PBX to the PSTN (did I > get my acronyms right?) I'm assuming you have to pay for a service of > some sort. Some mentioned Vonage, etc... but I'd be paying just as much > for Vonage as my regular Verizon acct! I'm looking for a way to set up > Asterisk and be able to make outbound calls at a minimum. However, I'd > like to do inbound and outbound and have a real phone number for my > inbound. Is that possible for less than $30/month? Well I own a VoIP network. But my clients are corporations. I'm not aimed at home or SOHO users. You can have single line card(s) and connect directly to the PSTN. Or you can use a broadband connection and go over the Internet. Using VoIP is just more fun. No reason you cannot have both. Unfortunately I could not tell you what to expect price wise. Vonage is big and able to compete with the the likes of AT&T. Their pricing should be pretty good. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 02:17:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R7HwCI001497 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:17:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R7HwHg001496 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:17:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R7HuCI001492 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:17:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R7HuTM029453 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:17:56 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R7HMwg012827 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:17:22 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA33FF920 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:17:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Xorg root only login Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 01:31:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501261607.02237.mario@alienscience.com> <1106777723.26131.14.camel@delilah> <41F8269F.5020709@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <41F8269F.5020709@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501270131.58381.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.171, required 6, AWL -1.96, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 26 January 2005 18:24, Kwan Lowe wrote: > R. Samuel Jose, Jr. wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 16:07 -0500, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >>I upgraded a system from RedHat 9.0 to Fedora Core 2. Although I could > >> log into the X console with XFree86 as any user, I cannot do this now > >> after the upgrade to Xorg. In fact, only root is allowed to do so. > >> > >>What happened, and how do I go about fixing this? > >> > >>/mario > >> > > > > I've seen similar behavior on one of my Gentoo boxes after I update > > Xorg. For some reason it sets the ownership of non-root user home > > directories to root so Gnome can't read my config files when I log in as > > a non-root user and I get shuffled back to the login screen. When I set > > the permissions back to what they should be, I can login again. > > > > Not sure why it only happens on one box. > > Not sure about FC2 or Gentoo, but you folks may want to check the > /etc/security settings. Among other things, the settings there will > automatically reset permissions of device files, mounts, directories, > etc... In Fedora Core 3 I had to tweak a few entries to allow my NVidia > drivers to work after a reboot. Err umm. I don't know what happened, but it's working. I feel I should be worried :( I did an apt upgrade (w/new kernel), so maybe that fixed something?? /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 02:58:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R7w8CI001798 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:58:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0R7w8g2001797 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:58:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0R7w7CI001793 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:58:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R7w6TM032246 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:58:07 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0R7vqwg019846 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:57:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E5D11ACA for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25493-01-4 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.149] (p199-227-193-149.max.acun.net [199.227.193.149]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC2B11AB0 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F89EF0.8080700@acun.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:57:36 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Task bar References: <200412141848.41987.rnr@sanctum.com> <1103730973.13447.71.camel@wackydell.wackyworld.lan> <41F73D6D.3000400@acun.com> <200501261458.j0QEw4iF013115@rs16.luxsci.com> In-Reply-To: <200501261458.j0QEw4iF013115@rs16.luxsci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.322, required 6, AWL -1.97, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eric Jahn wrote: > On Wednesday 26 January 2005 01:49 am, Pete Theisen wrote: > >> Hi Everybody! >> >> Last night at the social I heard that there are settings to show >> all the windows you can access in KDE. Hi Eric! I have something I can work with at this point. It is showing small buttons on the task bar that expand a text box over them when you put the pointer on them. There is also a vertical button beside them with an arrow that shoots up a menu showing everything that is open. What I did was get into the Taskbar - Control Center window and then I selected Show window list button. Thanks for your help. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 05:23:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RANWCI002990 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:23:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RANWsL002989 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:23:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RANUCI002985 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:23:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RANTTM010967 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:23:29 -0500 Received: from internalmx.vasoftware.com (internalmx1.vasoftware.com [12.152.184.149]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RAN7m2012532 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:23:07 -0500 Received: from 653415hfc160.tampabay.rr.com ([65.34.15.160]:33958 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by internalmx.vasoftware.com with asmtp (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.22 #1 (Debian)) id 1Cu6nm-0005mY-Js by VAauthid with fixed_plain for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:23:02 -0800 Message-ID: <41F8C0EB.4020202@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:22:35 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please References: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> <41F8651B.8010607@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41F8651B.8010607@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -200.0 (---------------------------------------------------) kenny.hdqt.vasoftware.com X-Spam-Score-Int: -2000 X-EA-Verified: internalmx.vasoftware.com 1Cu6nm-0005mY-Js 3789b50af1f58638f006ff96fb3f08ee X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.9, required 6, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_HEAD_HDR_XSPAMSC 0.56) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Remember, when your computer is off, or there is a power failure, > your telephone system will be down. > I rode out two hurricanes with no electricity, but my telephones > (both lines) never flicked. True. "Disaster protection" is why my primary net connectivity is now a cable modem but I still maintain a Verizon POTS line, have a backup "plain" telephone handset, and keep a dialup modem and dialup ISP account. I also have a cellular phone (and PC cable) so I can use my cellular as backup voice/data connection if the POTS line goes out. If you work on the Internet and/or by phone, you should have at least two ways to connect to the rest of the world, and you should try to make sure you are capable of working through disasters as much as possible. A laptop with wi-fi should also be part of the backup plan. When Hurricane Charley knocked out power to the home of Rob Reilly, an IT consultant (and NewsForge freelancer) in Orlando, he spent the next week working from a wi-fi-equipped coffee shop on the other side of town. At home, his wife cooked on a propane camp stove and they used oil lamps and candles for light. Their life may have been a trifle less convenient during their powerless week, but it didn't come to a stop -- and neither did Rob's income. Those of you who have been reading Slashdot for 5+ years may recall that the day after Andover.net (now OSTG) bought Slashdot, I was the only one posting on the site. A lot of people thought that meant Taco and Hemos had been canned. What really happened was that much of Holland MI flooded that day and the single T-1 line that provided all connectivity to the "geek compound" where they and CowboyNeal and friends all lived lost connectivity -- and while they still had POTS service, they didn't have a single phone modem between them. I was the only person in the world who had complete Slashdot backend access, therefore the only person able to post on the site until CowboyNeal drove to Grand Rapids, bought a couple of modems, and got them online temporarily via dialup. Since then it's been company policy (set by me) that all remote employees *must* have at least two means of Net and voice connectivity. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 07:22:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RCMNCI003766 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:22:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RCMNfp003765 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:22:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RCMLCI003761 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:22:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RCMKTM019055 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:22:21 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RCMADu025113 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:22:10 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so240400rne for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:22:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=SFgpiB25WLc2hUqucxGEdvin51VFmPGdNeBP96gZNTBq+b/BvmmuE9ASKNpVIQThJfTsKT+odExEmv0Bj78hnlY6IMHPgjW6Hb5SKpuhShv/MjVCwZCxE16uRLCu6osTVL5tiMsfWjezfh0jeWQi7ZPRd8khZE68XfHGt1XmXEo= Received: by 10.38.161.6 with SMTP id j6mr117689rne; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 75sm66587rnb.2005.01.27.04.22.09; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:22:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:22:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <41F8651B.8010607@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUEJMkmDC8RaMhVRF6KR1yvnmneLwARaLHA Message-ID: <41f8dcf2.65d42afe.4d7a.09f1@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.698, required 6, AWL -2.00, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Remember, when your computer is off, or there is a power failure, your > telephone system will be down. > I rode out two hurricanes with no electricity, but my telephones (both > lines) > never flicked. True, and 911 is handled differently, but my CallVantage service has only had two power failures since I got it before the hurricanes. CallVantage also now features a "safe forward number" that you can set...if for some reason your TA (their term for VoIP gateway) can't be reached due to internet or power outage, it will automatically forward to another number (It can be a cell phone or other land line). I have a company-provided land line for work, so it's an easy backup. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 07:35:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RCZECI003868 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:35:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RCZEDG003867 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:35:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RCZCCI003863 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:35:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RCZBTO020174 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:35:12 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RCYqDu026666 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:34:53 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so239089rne for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:34:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=GjrjEoRBWt6ssp+A4fSfPE7eNfxyebDQ0d2Ci593ooJqDN3I4PZ5s4Yz9zfAX6eKRfNY37KG4rDLXLidpgGf3O9kxkh6cPyyW7qS5cHn7XYiS5kwBLpfmkfaWAQmcVZWsTlO3mRqOlrxSpA/dRzubBJfpVQ43fu46pg34r/VLjo= Received: by 10.38.208.23 with SMTP id f23mr286068rng; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 70sm67671rnb.2005.01.27.04.34.52; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:34:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:34:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200501262330.36878.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUEKcLmE2QGKcuCQJykhc8R2NqytQAQmsAg Message-ID: <41f8dfec.037e08d0.7801.0a50@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.949, required 6, AWL -1.75, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I don't think that there is a converter for Linux. If there is , I haven't > encountered it yet. After a few people had sent me files with a".wps" > extension and finding that you can't do anything with them if you don't > have > MSWorks, I realised that wps was the perfect acronym... what a piece of > s**tware. The only products that I know will convert Microsoft Works word processor files (besides Works itself) are Word, WordPerfect for Windows, and Lotus Word Pro. All are Windows products (unless you're using Crossover). If you still need a conversion come next week's Brandon meeting, let me know and I'll make sure I bring both laptops with me (my iBook *and* my ThinkPad). Ideally, they need to save it from Works as a Word file. It would make life much easier. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 07:36:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RCaICI003879 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:36:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RCaIuQ003878 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:36:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RCaHCI003874 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:36:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RCaFTO020315 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:36:16 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RCa6tn031928 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:36:06 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so242332rne for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:36:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=EE6yPjahWaRkvxyq/ZKaO2sjkPyRiinRXMzzOi29wPZdFLkRTJ6RkbtmDHhr5lszirbRxtdaE8XvPS1yNSTDXIeSDGAlyCwQJNa/Bq1cDO+oGNlUAvuX59B+GDK8+dDysdBG9XRbK7HxZCowvQWajkzGZkBu9UHDxsviiCSqj4Y= Received: by 10.38.162.16 with SMTP id k16mr189881rne; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 59sm66827rnb.2005.01.27.04.36.05; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 04:36:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] voip overview, please Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:36:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200501270100.13687.steve@szmidt.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUEN17Kmplb+JX9SJOQ0NMdzhXENQANVBgw Message-ID: <41f8e035.2cc3649c.2cd7.09bc@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.5, required 6, AWL -2.29, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Anyway, what do you do to connect your Asterisk PBX to the PSTN (did I > > get my acronyms right?) I'm assuming you have to pay for a service of > > some sort. Some mentioned Vonage, etc... but I'd be paying just as much > > for Vonage as my regular Verizon acct! I'm looking for a way to set up > > Asterisk and be able to make outbound calls at a minimum. However, I'd > > like to do inbound and outbound and have a real phone number for my > > inbound. Is that possible for less than $30/month? You're paying about as much as you to would to Verizon, yes -- for a whole cartload more features than Verizon offers at that price point. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 08:54:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RDsfCI004427 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:54:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RDsfPv004426 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:54:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RDseCI004422 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:54:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RDsTUA024655 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:54:40 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RDq1vd007616 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:52:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.106] (43-181.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0RDptkv029485 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:51:55 -0500 (EST) From: jeff To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:53:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41f8dfec.037e08d0.7801.0a50@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41f8dfec.037e08d0.7801.0a50@smtp.gmail.com> X-Fun: Without walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501270853.51981.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.993, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 27 January 2005 7:34, Steven Buehler wrote: > Ideally, they need to save it from Works as a Word file. It would make > life much easier. You would not believe how many people that I have worked with who had no clue that you can specify the format to save as. Especially since Windows defaults to hiding the file extensions, so the users never see anything to indicate otherwise. And I doubt that the software vendors are in any rush to educate the users about converting file formats. Alice uses Lotus, but Bob prefers Excel. Neither of them has figured out that they can convert each others files. So Alice buys a copy of Excel, and Bob buys Lotus. Just so that they can copy/paste data from one application into their preferred application. Lack of education just made a sale for each vendor. Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 12:22:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RHMBCI005793 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:22:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RHMB0G005792 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:22:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RHMACI005788 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:22:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RHM3Te005895 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:22:10 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RHKMwg028126 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:20:22 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0RHKHiM017027 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:20:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F922E1.7010605@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:20:33 -0500 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please References: <41f8dcf2.65d42afe.4d7a.09f1@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41f8dcf2.65d42afe.4d7a.09f1@smtp.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.512, required 6, AWL -1.16, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steven Buehler wrote: >> Remember, when your computer is off, or there is a power failure, your >>telephone system will be down. >> I rode out two hurricanes with no electricity, but my telephones (both >>lines) >>never flicked. >> >> > > > During the First hurricane, my phone went down several hours before I lost power and stayed down a day after my power came back up. There is a green box about a mile from me that a lot of phone lines go into and get multiplexed into one. It has it's own power meter. When it loses power a lot of phones go down. It does have back up batteries, but they only last a few hours. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 13:41:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RIfJCI006319 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:41:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RIfJRj006318 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:41:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RIfICI006314 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:41:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RIfETM010527 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:41:18 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RIf1m2007211 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:41:01 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so308319rne for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:41:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DZVuG74+4DCHLBnIgvAoZ91vcr5f60O88a7Pc6uW4bYCiOlS0EziPGIygJRSqLQeINdfQeBxGpC2Y3r0fInBilfpdD7U/cMr8RSPgeIyGXO4BHFohAKSGrW8I2Wh59LnfWCY4i2lysETB/8UceyCzfX2hhtKkch1w+8SL8Fc2Rk= Received: by 10.38.71.4 with SMTP id t4mr244179rna; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.66 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:41:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 13:41:01 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] formatting hard drive In-Reply-To: <7f48492a05012620487848e3fc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <1106786389.1704.10.camel@sirus> <7f48492a05012620487848e3fc@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.17, required 6, AWL -1.65, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0RIfJCI006315 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:48:20 -0500, Christopher Hotchkiss wrote: > Nah you guys need to do it accidentally, like 'rm -rf / *'. The real fun is doing sudo rm -rf /lib instead of sudo rm -rf ~/lib... Yes, why even bother with sudo? Well, at 8:00 on a sunday morning.... - O goirim goirim í Agus goirim í go deo Míle ghrá le m'anam í Sí Peigí Leitir Móir. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 14:20:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RJKpCI006581 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:20:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RJKpWr006580 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:20:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RJKoCI006576 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:20:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RJKkTi012765 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:20:50 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RJKem2011973 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:20:40 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so45962cwc for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=hm8EdHleLVIelJL3KWCgBxKB3ItbXMZmCfbs4Z8gXKFxB8m0zdEPgsUkYtfwGChODBu6tdYxq6GFoo8EVmsGAx6lV/pIHHol5iaXZXs3IFb8KlJVQQpnQ1JUT70DrnvrsLqzwwG2mFErvLEsWm7itkp8NB0DTYCHSTDnKYfzufI= Received: by 10.11.99.78 with SMTP id w78mr132634cwb; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd05012711205e24788d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:20:40 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] custom knoppix In-Reply-To: <002a01c503fa$ca218970$6601a8c0@BPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <002a01c503fa$ca218970$6601a8c0@BPC> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.987, required 6, AWL -0.46, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Problem with that. If you were to get the VMWare on there you will not have > the abillity to load and run anything on that VMWare! > One not enough ram, two that will be on a cd so you can not install the os > on to > that once the cd is finalized! Curious... tieing up a CD drive doesn't have to be a problem. Even with leaving the knoppix disc in, many people have two optical drives. And of course if you have RAM coming out of your ears then you can run knoppix completely off a ramdisk and eject the cd once it's booted. The not enough RAM / performance concern may be very valid though depending on how large your virtual machine needs to be. ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 14:26:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RJQlCI006634 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:26:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RJQlHe006633 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:26:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RJQlCI006629 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:26:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RJQkTM013205 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:26:46 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RJQXm2012626 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:26:33 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so46134cwc for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=TNjwUGpkxNbQarbsw9ZMOZfbe3+rNnsx0v9JbfO2zHmPqV86akRhI/lEgVmQOgc+Z6/GvZEOzdWy3QcJacGtDzLx5QB/JdU0DrBRBBdSq1HeFa7q/ZE4UCjZ6Wo3+o+BSAInHMXBWO7IdKWJ++DSHwAsZvBj2V54WUzTBPsJRCo= Received: by 10.11.94.29 with SMTP id r29mr136322cwb; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:26:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd05012711265869916f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:26:32 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] custom knoppix In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05012711205e24788d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <002a01c503fa$ca218970$6601a8c0@BPC> <125d27dd05012711205e24788d@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.521, required 6, AWL 1.38, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Whoops, just realized I misunderstood the point of the cd thing you were making. Even still, you could use a memory stick or portable usb drive or something to carry along with your knoppix cd for the vm's drives. ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 15:00:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RK0LCI006869 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:00:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RK0LeB006868 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:00:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RK0KCI006864 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:00:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RK0GTM014816 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:00:20 -0500 Received: from tampadsl.net (mail.tampadsl.net [198.31.248.210]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RJxawg021572 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:59:36 -0500 Received: from [192.168.3.100] [63.135.232.210] by tampadsl.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A72F5DE0120; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:55:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: slug@nks.net From: A J Subject: [SLUG] Ubuntu Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 14:59:38 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.408, required 6, AWL -1.02, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR8_MESSID 0.69, RM_fw_LeadingPrep 0.91, SARE_FROM_LEAD_PREP 0.54) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I got the batch today and will bring them to the Dunedin meeting this sat . I have 8 intel/pc and 7 PPC/mac. I guess if there are any left Paul will keep them and hand them out at the other/next meeting. The PC set is an install disk and a "live" cd. So there you have it, anyone wanting to try Ubuntu can get it at the meeting. A J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 15:07:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RK7pCI006911 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:07:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RK7p6p006910 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:07:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RK7oCI006906 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:07:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RK7kTM015420 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:07:50 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RK7RCR013423 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:07:28 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0RK7Pkw023224 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:07:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:07:11 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] phishing Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: | To: eben1@tampabay.rr.com | Subject: Regarding Your Account | | | PayPal User,

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| PayPal Account Services '-- Yay pine! -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 15:36:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RKatCI007119 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:36:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RKat3G007118 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:36:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RKatCI007114 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:36:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RKasTM017322 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:36:54 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RKaQm2020546 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:36:26 -0500 Received: from 16-124.200-68.tampabay.rr.com[68.200.124.16] (helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1CuGNO0Ciz-0004lt; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:36:26 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] phishing Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:36:25 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501271536.25577.steve@szmidt.org> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:f000f2fe99e2d3ebee811612b04e8539 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.157, required 6, AWL -1.26, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 27 January 2005 15:07, Eben King wrote: > Well, good thing I don't use a MUA that does HTML (not that I would have > taken its link anyhow). I just got this: > > ,-- > > | Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:58:54 +0100 > | From: PayPal > | To: eben1@tampabay.rr.com > | Subject: Regarding Your Account > | > | > | PayPal User,

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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 15:45:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RKjRCI007187 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:45:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RKjRZ6007186 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:45:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RKjQCI007182 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:45:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RKjPTQ017791 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:45:26 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RKj3m2021356 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:45:03 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so357716wra for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:x-mimeole:thread-index:message-id; b=lJTy0udI5BwgFpe6y/rSU+LGeXiXZ5fXKPyrQbMX7h8Nrmz5WzSpt0GSC7vfpfcN5DE4GfJy1nlnIBUlWjh7iJbbWstjWiI5l3s11hJHjfjH8HF6H1FjZjXDQCOOxlLPwcd/OEwmPU02fmdYttSZiWin26oHFeLQjtKCwnsxl7g= Received: by 10.54.26.15 with SMTP id 15mr179842wrz; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm85153wra.2005.01.27.12.45.02; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:45:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200501270853.51981.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUEeNg3CSPTBaw+RXiaw2dbZ+D8DQAOBXag Message-ID: <41f952ce.0d213efb.5fcc.0b2d@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.388, required 6, AWL -1.66, BAYES_20 -1.43, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > And I doubt that the software vendors are in any rush to educate the > users > about converting file formats. Alice uses Lotus, but Bob prefers Excel. > Neither of them has figured out that they can convert each others files. > So > Alice buys a copy of Excel, and Bob buys Lotus. Just so that they can > copy/paste data from one application into their preferred application. > Lack > of education just made a sale for each vendor. I use all four suites (Microsoft, WordPerfect, Lotus, and OpenOffice) pretty much all the time depending on what I want to do. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 15:46:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RKk7CI007198 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:46:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RKk7Gh007197 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:46:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RKk6CI007193 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:46:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RKk5TU017835 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:46:06 -0500 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0RKhsvd032638 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:43:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 9039 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2005 20:43:53 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. Clear:. Processed in 0.068701 secs); 27 Jan 2005 20:43:53 -0000 Received: from perm70-218.ij.net (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (209.216.70.218) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 27 Jan 2005 20:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <41F95288.2030308@ij.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:43:52 -0500 From: paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.782, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A J wrote: > I got the batch today and will bring them to the Dunedin meeting this > sat . I have 8 intel/pc and 7 PPC/mac. I guess if there are any left > Paul will keep them and hand them out at the other/next meeting. > The PC set is an install disk and a "live" cd. > So there you have it, anyone wanting to try Ubuntu can get it at the > meeting. > > A J > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > I also have ten (10) ea copies for i386. If I can make it, I'll bring them. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 17:56:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RMuLCI008047 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:56:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0RMuLYl008046 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:56:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0RMuLCI008042 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:56:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RMuKTM025337 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:56:21 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0RMuEDu032234 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:56:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAC4176C2E for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 17:44:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <41F95288.2030308@ij.net> References: <41F95288.2030308@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1106867066.5740.99.camel@administrator.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:04:27 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.45, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Although it doesn't have a lot of packages pre-installed and I'm not used to deb packaging, It is "very" user friendly to someone new to linux. Very impressive. On Thu, 2005-01-27 at 15:43, paddy wrote: > A J wrote: > > I got the batch today and will bring them to the Dunedin meeting this > > sat . I have 8 intel/pc and 7 PPC/mac. I guess if there are any left > > Paul will keep them and hand them out at the other/next meeting. > > The PC set is an install disk and a "live" cd. > > So there you have it, anyone wanting to try Ubuntu can get it at the > > meeting. > > > > A J > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > I also have ten (10) ea copies for i386. If I can make it, I'll bring them. > > Paddy > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 20:04:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S14PCI008926 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:04:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0S14P3Q008925 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:04:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S14OCI008921 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:04:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S14NTO032604 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:04:24 -0500 Received: from out012.verizon.net (out012pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.137]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S11Dvd021994 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:01:16 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([4.10.237.118]) by out012.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050128010112.BNWO10436.out012.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:01:12 -0600 From: Donald E Haselwood To: slug@nks.net Subject: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 20:01:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41f8dfec.037e08d0.7801.0a50@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41f8dfec.037e08d0.7801.0a50@smtp.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501272001.11463.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out012.verizon.net from [4.10.237.118] at Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:01:12 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=6.334, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steven, Thanks for the offer. The conversion I did from .wps to Word 97 got me the ascii (surrouned by crap). I was hoping that linux/gnu had something better out there. Don On Thursday 27 January 2005 07:34, Steven Buehler wrote: > > I don't think that there is a converter for Linux. If there is , I > > haven't encountered it yet. After a few people had sent me files with > > a".wps" extension and finding that you can't do anything with them if you > > don't have > > MSWorks, I realised that wps was the perfect acronym... what a piece of > > s**tware. > > The only products that I know will convert Microsoft Works word processor > files (besides Works itself) are Word, WordPerfect for Windows, and Lotus > Word Pro. All are Windows products (unless you're using Crossover). > > If you still need a conversion come next week's Brandon meeting, let me > know and I'll make sure I bring both laptops with me (my iBook *and* my > ThinkPad). > > Ideally, they need to save it from Works as a Word file. It would make > life much easier. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 21:15:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S2FTCI009418 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0S2FTWW009417 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S2FSCI009413 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S2FRTO003848 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:28 -0500 Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S2F5CR022714 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:05 -0500 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CuLf7-0006I9-3V for slug@nks.net; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:15:05 -0500 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 953F670CA03 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 24.144.85.166 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:18:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4105.24.144.85.166.1106878739.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <200501272001.11463.dhaselwood@verizon.net> References: <41f8dfec.037e08d0.7801.0a50@smtp.gmail.com> <200501272001.11463.dhaselwood@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:18:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac0549fb11073be4ad32a209e99bdd5c2a7147886ced9d4d1de350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.91, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0S2FSCI009414 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Donald E Haselwood said: > Steven, > > Thanks for the offer. The conversion I did from .wps to Word 97 got me the > ascii (surrouned by crap). I was hoping that linux/gnu had something better Once you get into Word format, OpenOffice.org should be able to open it... Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 23:11:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S4BPCI010222 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:11:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0S4BPnx010221 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:11:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S4BOCI010217 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:11:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S4BOTM010087 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:11:24 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S4AHwg009113 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:10:17 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0S4AEiM024256; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:10:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41F9BB1E.3030303@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:10:06 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please References: <41f8dcf2.65d42afe.4d7a.09f1@smtp.gmail.com> <41F922E1.7010605@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41F922E1.7010605@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.36, required 6, AWL -2.01, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> Remember, when your computer is off, or there is a power failure, your >>> telephone system will be down. >>> I rode out two hurricanes with no electricity, but my telephones (both >>> lines) never flicked. I forgot: my roadrunner service was DOWN when I had power during both hurricanes, they even issued me a tinny refund without me asking. > During the First hurricane, my phone went down several hours before I > lost power and > stayed down a day after my power came back up. > There is a green box about a mile from me that a lot of phone lines go > into and get multiplexed into one. It has it's own power meter. > When it loses power a lot of phones go down. > It does have back up batteries, but they only last a few hours. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 23:41:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S4f5CI010450 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:41:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0S4f5Zk010449 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:41:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S4f4CI010445 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:41:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S4f4TO011800 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:41:04 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S4eqm2009599 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:40:52 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0S4eokw024062 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:40:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please In-Reply-To: <41F9BB1E.3030303@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: >>> Remember, when your computer is off, or there is a power failure, your > >>> telephone system will be down. > >>> I rode out two hurricanes with no electricity, but my telephones (both > >>> lines) never flicked. > > I forgot: my roadrunner service was DOWN when I had power during both > hurricanes, Mine too. No cable TV, no internet access for five days. We read lots of books. As soon as the cable came back, I got RR's dial-up service (free, just ask). Actually, the only things useful to me were the modem bank numbers and the DNS/IP info. Has anybody figured out the get/expect sequence for dialup? You get PPP once you're in, right? > they even issued me a tinny refund without me asking. 5/30 = 1/6. The refund should have been about 1/6 of your monthly bill. Was it? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Jan 27 23:54:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S4siCI010562 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:54:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0S4sheo010561 for slug-track29; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:54:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S4shCI010557 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:54:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S4sgTM012622 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:54:43 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S4sDvd003291 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:54:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 8729 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 04:54:12 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 04:54:12 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1537F1256E8; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:49:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 23:49:30 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Message-ID: <20050128044929.GJ14830@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <41f8dfec.037e08d0.7801.0a50@smtp.gmail.com> <200501272001.11463.dhaselwood@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200501272001.11463.dhaselwood@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.334, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 08:01:11PM -0500, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > Steven, > > Thanks for the offer. The conversion I did from .wps to Word 97 got me the > ascii (surrouned by crap). I was hoping that linux/gnu had something better > out there. > > Don > > On Thursday 27 January 2005 07:34, Steven Buehler wrote: > > > I don't think that there is a converter for Linux. If there is , I > > > haven't encountered it yet. After a few people had sent me files with > > > a".wps" extension and finding that you can't do anything with them if you > > > don't have > > > MSWorks, I realised that wps was the perfect acronym... what a piece of > > > s**tware. > > > > The only products that I know will convert Microsoft Works word processor > > files (besides Works itself) are Word, WordPerfect for Windows, and Lotus > > Word Pro. All are Windows products (unless you're using Crossover). > > > > If you still need a conversion come next week's Brandon meeting, let me > > know and I'll make sure I bring both laptops with me (my iBook *and* my > > ThinkPad). > > > > Ideally, they need to save it from Works as a Word file. It would make > > life much easier. We've had a lot of clients send us a lot of word processing files over the years, and Works is the bane of our existence. I don't know why Microsoft came out with this package. It was primarily sold on low-end units where they didn't want to ship a full version of office. Seems like it would have been better to simply turn off features from Office and call it "Office Lite" instead of coming up with a crappy multi-use office package that was incompatible with nearly everything else. Microsoft is really bad about using nearly random undocumented file formats that it changes with each new revision of the software (and fails to maintain full backward compatibility). Works has database component that is similarly incompatible. Because it was only sold on the cheapest of computers and wasn't compatible with anything else, it's no wonder there's no conversion solution for Linux. We tell clients (nicely) to get a real word processor. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 00:06:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S56kCI010662 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0S56kP9010661 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0S56jCI010657 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S56iTO013257 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:44 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0S56GDu009046 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:16 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so395573rne for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:06:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; b=BBFOPmSeTK2ejGIn9a0w4ZiBaLYHJjOpk2EUxOMHWb3JV/boV6vY8u+a2dvhEBRs6RmhSEepNxuae0/sts4eGthGiAPaSj2WlgBCxtL4Ghw3t/4sJKH+GxwaBaEaWvBiPVo1JufwpqloLXJg3JE7hQqdzZ+6diySHC61cVKfF9E= Received: by 10.38.22.47 with SMTP id 47mr30772rnv; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:06:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 75sm106223rnb.2005.01.27.21.06.15; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:06:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 00:06:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050128044929.GJ14830@quillandmouse.com> thread-index: AcUE9jSMiE185RA/Sxioz1Pb38DUgwAAJCYA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <41f9c848.68abe242.4d7a.11bc@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.097, required 6, AWL -1.60, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > We've had a lot of clients send us a lot of word processing files over > the years, and Works is the bane of our existence. I don't know why > Microsoft came out with this package. It was primarily sold on low-end > units where they didn't want to ship a full version of office. Seems > like it would have been better to simply turn off features from Office > and call it "Office Lite" instead of coming up with a crappy multi-use > office package that was incompatible with nearly everything else. I remember using Microsoft Works 2.0 for DOS on my Tandy notebook PC for notetaking in college in the early 90's. It was cheap, and it ran off a single floppy (which, considering my notebook had no hard disk, was a good thing). And now I sit here and look at the ThinkPad sitting on my desk next to me and the iBook that's on its way; my, how the times have changed. :-) SWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 06:54:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SBsMCI013556 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:54:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SBsM1D013555 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:54:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SBsLCI013551 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:54:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SBsKTM008696 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:54:20 -0500 Received: from web52609.mail.yahoo.com (web52609.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.147]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0SBrxDu026833 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:53:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 20321 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 11:53:58 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=5IFfaWchp/vHP1HChaeTAnJ9gZEDGuevFop6OkYSRknbA7yHZB4jKMGASkUVJW2g5fL3kzb+nTTvDBp19+/L3bdl8YWH1dhWCWI7Xp2Evw/gqZs3qeueox7FoOmGEh+7jdz/EUKM+VTeh+0Ia9EADMe8C9FL3Ebtcoj/gEvl0rI= ; Message-ID: <20050128115358.20319.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web52609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:53:58 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:53:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4105.24.144.85.166.1106878739.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.521, required 6, AWL -2.05, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, FU_PROMO 0.44, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net And just to stick my 2cents in.. There actually used to be a version of Corel office for Linux which HAS WordPerfect for Linux that would convert that file.. Mark --- Doug Koobs wrote: > Donald E Haselwood said: > > Steven, > > > > Thanks for the offer. The conversion I did from > .wps to Word 97 got me the > > ascii (surrouned by crap). I was hoping that > linux/gnu had something better > > Once you get into Word format, OpenOffice.org should > be able to open it... > > Doug > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 06:56:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SBusCI013571 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:56:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SBusrF013570 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:56:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SBurCI013566 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:56:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SBuqTQ008912 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:56:53 -0500 Received: from web52610.mail.yahoo.com (web52610.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.148]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0SBukm2030721 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:56:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 11721 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 11:56:46 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=CzHiRj0LjXPbLneYZ4Eq0rXFlNToD+kVtMhdLUzXC80YStsKeoSukp177vqbAruDWSHmXYT6WGGhGVTW4esNVMIHu3g+Wgv6cUvNtAE24AKYDltHXnPogLWcj7DfMUH4WS4I0sT9lJyZgPTemo+9x3QwI7nn9cR5FcGN8UBIec8= ; Message-ID: <20050128115646.11719.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web52610.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:56:46 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:56:46 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41f9c848.68abe242.4d7a.11bc@smtp.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.996, required 6, AWL -2.09, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you really want something scarey.. look around the net at the developement that has occurred for DOS in the last couple of years ( yes they are actually still doing DOS developement out there). --- Steven Buehler wrote: > > We've had a lot of clients send us a lot of word > processing files over > > the years, and Works is the bane of our existence. > I don't know why > > Microsoft came out with this package. It was > primarily sold on low-end > > units where they didn't want to ship a full > version of office. Seems > > like it would have been better to simply turn off > features from Office > > and call it "Office Lite" instead of coming up > with a crappy multi-use > > office package that was incompatible with nearly > everything else. > > I remember using Microsoft Works 2.0 for DOS on my > Tandy notebook PC for > notetaking in college in the early 90's. It was > cheap, and it ran off a > single floppy (which, considering my notebook had no > hard disk, was a good > thing). > > And now I sit here and look at the ThinkPad sitting > on my desk next to me > and the iBook that's on its way; my, how the times > have changed. :-) > > SWB > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 07:45:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SCjcCI013916 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:45:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SCjctc013915 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:45:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SCjbCI013911 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:45:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SCjZTM012119 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:45:36 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SCjTm2004013 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:45:29 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so417046rne for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:45:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; b=gwoUnEc2U2+u9x5R0Tf97c+91Dfw+H9dAgZ/hiwyLpw1bRtCnp5eBEhYxtuhK+KLkVpiQAPHJ05KCAEe+n6rHPIU60cF1BI13FhXKaNminaVNMfXjplTMoow9aXv4Y6kq0uzznRLaYzxya5zy+Bzy33d9R7yJFy5GyfHzoJOsTM= Received: by 10.38.89.70 with SMTP id m70mr384886rnb; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 70sm134350rnc.2005.01.28.04.45.27; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:45:28 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:45:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050128115358.20319.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUFMObgcl215gtBRgWs9PTaA2+yAgABj0Ig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <41fa33e8.4e7d648c.70d0.15e6@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.01, required 6, AWL -1.78, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > There actually used to be a version of Corel office > for Linux which HAS WordPerfect for Linux that would > convert that file.. There is (I used to use it), but it only works with early 2.4 kernels. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 07:47:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SClcCI013932 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:47:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SClciU013931 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:47:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SClbCI013927 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:47:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SClZTQ012328 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:47:37 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SClPm2004337 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:47:25 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so484990rna for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:47:24 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:in-reply-to:thread-index:x-mimeole:message-id; b=E0xBy3qqjkn6sLad9G9anhwAEh7OpOhiassqKOQjaB4dWf9cc9YecPgUB0qXK8r3Y382sST/GGWquHni+kdhDmEKeBqoHb8Faqhg7eMcP3OjmR5W9Pb275l/zEo9d6ae9Hkf+yYRALB+IFoIknwVWwpoA40oYbI72Y9AFh2qvp8= Received: by 10.38.59.34 with SMTP id h34mr436641rna; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 75sm127333rnb.2005.01.28.04.47.23; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 04:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:47:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050128115646.11719.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcUFMSTeepro0fxHTvuMIVhEfFaGowABh6yQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <41fa345c.1bce31ca.4d7a.14e7@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.161, required 6, AWL -1.34, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > If you really want something scarey.. look around the > net at the developement that has occurred for DOS in > the last couple of years ( yes they are actually still > doing DOS developement out there). Oh yeah, I know... they are still developing for OS/9 (not OS/2!), which the last time I used was a Unix-like system for the Tandy Color Computer series (talking late 1980s). It's now used in embedded devices. Same goes for what used to be called DR-DOS. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 08:41:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SDfeCI014310 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SDfepU014309 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SDfdCI014305 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SDfbTW015365 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:39 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SDfNDu006809 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:23 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j0SDfKNi016935 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <09dd01c5053f$0d099ee0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20050128115646.11719.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:41:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.45, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > If you really want something scarey.. look around the > net at the developement that has occurred for DOS in > the last couple of years ( yes they are actually still > doing DOS developement out there). > Scary? Why do you think this is scary? Did they pass a law that says "after 2004 no DOS apps are allowed to be used?" There must be a reason for all this, the pragmatist wannabee said. - Bob sent at 0841 est ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 08:58:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SDwrCI014418 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:58:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SDwrOl014417 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:58:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SDwqCI014413 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:58:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SDwlTM016997 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:58:52 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SDwYCR010385 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:58:34 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so458816rne for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:58:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=kzaD70wEpnGju4IWaYsy5ptGPNw9iBs6GvKs2X/PI9ErnM16EdvWyaZvQX10L/QQBEYq+1ds5fipZffuhlqUvZieft2MwktcFXnZgZ69dz8YAlzwRoZlpc0VhVuDtXtUGDDgZ4wOmT0u/Xn9mlUUN00FywPlEEF3nRTMCNP1Qrk= Received: by 10.38.4.61 with SMTP id 61mr41705rnd; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.165.11 with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:58:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c905705012805587cea8c5a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:58:33 -0500 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] voip overview, please In-Reply-To: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41F7B0EA.1090508@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.27, required 6, AWL -2.27) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:02 -0500, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > I was wondering if someone could give me an overview of voip in a plain > english, non-sales pitch type of way.... > > I'm sick of paying Verizon $30 a month, I would love to try something > like Asterisk, but don't know if Asterisk is right for my simple > needs/implementation. Let me say that I was one of the original Dialpad > users, and I used the heck out of it... I loved it! It allowed me to > call my fiance who was at school several times a day without paying long > distance. I would like to have that capablility again, and I hear the > sound quality is much better these days! > > Is Asterisk good for a simple home installation? I just want outbound > calling. I don't want to buy a bunch of hardware. I have a couple of > PCs I can dedicate. Sorry if I'm showing my ignorance, but did I read > somewhere that I can use analog phone equipment?? > I pay 24.95/mo for Vonage nation wide +Canada unlimited. I also get VM, call conference call waiting, follow me and I forget what else as part of the package, that is why I tossed Verizon and the fact that the wireing out here (I live in Palm River) is still (according to a Verizon guy who came out to check for dial tone problems) is still paper. My Vonage service has been MUCH better than Verizon, I use RR as the cable connection, it stayed up all through the storms but those who had POTs lost it during at least two of them here in my area. Back when I had Verizon, a hard rain storm would cause the line to look like the phone was off hook so you would many times pick up the phone to find that there was not dial tone. That is why the Verizon guy made the trip out here in the first place, and that is when I found out about the old cable. Now they are putting in fiber all over the place but here, I suspect that we will have paper in the cable well into the next century the way things go here. I hope the do get the fibre into this area so we can have more high speed choices, we need some competition, but in terms of service my internet connection has always been much better of the cable than the phone service. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 09:17:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SEHLCI014548 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:17:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SEHLFb014547 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:17:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SEHKCI014543 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:17:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SEHCTM018026 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:17:20 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SEGxm2015430 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:16:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EF54D for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:17:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FA4918.5050307@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:15:52 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: [Linux] The Linux Switch Ad] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.805, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_40 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Posted to my local LUG: http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=174 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 10:06:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SF6YCI014888 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:06:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SF6YEx014887 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:06:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SF6XCI014883 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:06:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SF6WTM021239 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:06:33 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SF5cwg002381 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:05:38 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0SF5aNj021291 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:05:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:49:35 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files In-Reply-To: <20050128115646.11719.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: If you really want something scarey.. look around the > net at the developement that has occurred for DOS in > the last couple of years ( yes they are actually still > doing DOS developement out there). Hmm, a free DOS reader, in FreeDOS, in dosemu maybe? If you read it with "tr -d '\177-\277' < file.wps | less" you lose some stuff, but that may be acceptable. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. -Sir William Drummond ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 13:59:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SIxDCI016366 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:59:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SIxDUD016365 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:59:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SIxCCI016361 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:59:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SIxBTM002133 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:59:12 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SIwqm2014685 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:58:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A0A176C2F for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:47:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 From: Larry Brown To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:07:14 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only see complaints about upgrades failing because of this package. I ran the cd tests with positive results at the beginning of the install, when I get to that package it fails saying the file is corrupt. I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 and burned it, then replaced the other disk. It still gives the same message. Does anyone know how to get around this? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 14:23:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJNVCI016540 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SJNVVF016539 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJNUCI016535 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJNTTM003641 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:30 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJNMCR015211 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:22 -0500 Received: from digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DCBC64D for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from 12.43.115.206 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12739.12.43.115.206.1106940231.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> References: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.148, required 6, AWL -2.36, BAYES_44 -0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only see complaints about > upgrades failing because of this package. I ran the cd tests with > positive results at the beginning of the install, when I get to that > package it fails saying the file is corrupt. I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > and burned it, then replaced the other disk. It still gives the same > message. Does anyone know how to get around this? Interesting... It took me six burns before I got a disk that passed the initial media check. The first were done at the default 4X. The failed disk 2 and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at 1X before the media check passed. I guessed that there was some issues with the package being near the end of the list, and being such a large package. Dunno. BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the /etc/security settings to get Nvidia to work properly. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 14:24:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJOvCI016551 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:24:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SJOvr3016550 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:24:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJOvCI016546 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:24:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJOgTO003730 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:24:56 -0500 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-67-78-17-122.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.122]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJNqwg013259 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:52 -0500 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id C10482111A8; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.25] (thor.sigtom.com [192.168.1.25]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0143B2110C3 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FA9145.2060208@sigtom.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:23:49 -0500 From: "Tom E. Craddock, Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041127) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 References: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.229, required 6, AWL -0.97, BAYES_30 -0.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Larry Brown wrote: >Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only see complaints about >upgrades failing because of this package. I ran the cd tests with >positive results at the beginning of the install, when I get to that >package it fails saying the file is corrupt. I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 >and burned it, then replaced the other disk. It still gives the same >message. Does anyone know how to get around this? > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > Im using FC3 on my laptop and its updated once a day, so Im sure Im using any upgraded pacakges for xorg. I install FC3 thru a network install, use yam to setup a pxe boot env, so I cant say that the CDs will work. If you want to try it out on my network, Im in the Brandon/Riverview area, so your more than welcome to use it if need be, either bring it here or you could vpn or ssh in somehow to get on my network. Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 14:55:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJtpCI016776 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:55:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SJtptL016775 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:55:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJtoCI016771 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:55:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJtoTM005469 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:55:50 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJtgDu016425 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:55:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279CF176C2F for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:43:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <12739.12.43.115.206.1106940231.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> References: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> <12739.12.43.115.206.1106940231.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1106942643.5740.107.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:04:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.083, required 6, AWL 0.82, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only see complaints about > > upgrades failing because of this package. I ran the cd tests with > > positive results at the beginning of the install, when I get to that > > package it fails saying the file is corrupt. I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > > and burned it, then replaced the other disk. It still gives the same > > message. Does anyone know how to get around this? > > > Interesting... It took me six burns before I got a disk that passed the > initial media check. The first were done at the default 4X. The failed disk 2 > and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at 1X before the media check > passed. I guessed that there was some issues with the package being near the > end of the list, and being such a large package. Dunno. > > BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the /etc/security settings to get > Nvidia to work properly. Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. I don't know why the burn rate would be any different from one application to another. It seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 shouldn't be any different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. Well, since you ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. Thanks... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 14:57:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJvxCI016791 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:57:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SJvxJc016790 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:57:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SJvxCI016786 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:57:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJvwTM005589 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:57:58 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SJvEwg018126 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:57:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E782C176C2F for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:45:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <41FA9145.2060208@sigtom.com> References: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> <41FA9145.2060208@sigtom.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1106942734.5740.110.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:05:35 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.4, required 6, AWL -1.40, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Tom E. Craddock, Jr. wrote: > Larry Brown wrote: > > >Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only see complaints about > >upgrades failing because of this package. I ran the cd tests with > >positive results at the beginning of the install, when I get to that > >package it fails saying the file is corrupt. I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > >and burned it, then replaced the other disk. It still gives the same > >message. Does anyone know how to get around this? > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > > > Im using FC3 on my laptop and its updated once a day, so Im sure Im > using any upgraded pacakges for xorg. I install FC3 thru a network > install, use yam to setup a pxe boot env, so I cant say that the CDs > will work. If you want to try it out on my network, Im in the > Brandon/Riverview area, so your more than welcome to use it if need be, > either bring it here or you could vpn or ssh in somehow to get on my > network. > > Tom Thanks, but I really need to get the cd install working both for my vm here and machines at work. I'm going to try burning another disk2, just in case. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 15:15:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SKFbCI016925 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:15:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SKFb12016924 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:15:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SKFVCI016920 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:15:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SKFVTM006312 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:15:31 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SKEtvd008525 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:14:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522F3FF9C9 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:14:57 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo Subject: [SLUG] VMware + Fwd: New Product: Win4Lin Home, and Special Offer! Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:00:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501281500.42402.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.022, required 6, FU_PAGE_OPT_OUT 1.44, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_PRODUCT 0.33, unsub33 0.55) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Win4Lin Home: I think this might be good for the migratory challenges of home users (only $29). I'm going to evaluate this product, but it has a 64MB limit?? I already run the full version 5 with a 128MB limit and that's bad enough. It's still incredibly fast and all, but it's still so little in the realm of today's memory size limits. VMware: VMware's version 5 is out under free beta download. Here are some links. I think the only success you'll have (need to fill out a form) is with the first one. http://www.vmware.com/programs/1/wkst5beta.do http://www.vmware.com/programs/ProgramCustomerProfile.do Download as Compressed Tar Archive (English only) Compressed Tar Archive (md5sum:52da39c5abc8499be2f03073a8c0a44d) http://download3.vmware.com/software/wkst/VMware-workstation-5.0.0-12206.tar.gz Download as RPM (English only) RPM Version (RedHat 9.0??) (md5sum:8ec85ad56f0f9e6a588912a7253e4488) http://download3.vmware.com/software/wkst/VMware-workstation-5.0.0-12206.i386.rpm /mario ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: New Product: Win4Lin Home, and Special Offer! Date: Friday 28 January 2005 06:50 From: "Win4Lin Special" To: "Mario Lombardo" Dear Win4Lin User, We are very pleased to announce, Win4Lin Home (http://www.win4lin.com/redirects/win4linhome.html), the newest member of our Win4Lin product family. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 16:01:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SL1CCI017240 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:01:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SL1C2a017239 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:01:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SL1BCI017235 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:01:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SL19TS008954 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:01:11 -0500 Received: from server1.stspandp.org (rrcs-24-227-124-70.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.124.70]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SL0pm2029339 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:56 -0500 Received: from server1.stspandp.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.stspandp.org (8.12.7/8.10.2/SuSE Linux 8.10.0-0.3) with ESMTP id j0SL0fYL001832 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:54 -0500 Received: (from pwgrant@localhost) by server1.stspandp.org (8.12.7/8.12.7/Submit) id j0SL0fDP001831; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:00:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200501282100.j0SL0fDP001831@server1.stspandp.org> X-Authentication-Warning: server1.stspandp.org: pwgrant set sender to pwgrant@cssi-fl.com using -f From: "patrick grantham" Subject: [SLUG] forward sendmail to another internal mail server. To: slug@nks.net Cc: X-Originating-IP: 172.16.32.9 X-Mailer: Usermin 1.040 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bound1106946041" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --bound1106946041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Her my senario. Advice/suggestions would be appreciated. Server1 current email server1 192.168.1.1 for incomming and outgoing email (outgoing email is relayed via the isp smtp server. server2 to become email server, 192.168.1.2 on a user by user basis configure server1 to forward email to server2. Both are behind firewall/router. Can sendmail be configured so that user A email is forwarded to server2 without using smtp relay without affecting user B? The trouble I run into is that when sendmail forwards, it contacts the smtp server of the isp. I would like it to forward email on the same subnet directly to new server suggestions? --bound1106946041-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 16:47:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SLlqCI017531 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:47:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0SLlqOB017530 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:47:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0SLlpCI017526 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:47:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0SLlpTM011726 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:47:51 -0500 Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0SLkxvd026284 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:47:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 40700 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 21:46:59 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=upotTfVp7zs/e6zUeFjxnkgivVr+Pl0gujJQDfM7A6r2EkNg+e65kdKEANuJp3vgmi+hkJF6bWD98bDvtcMtGpfSieyKoOBeFvWJFXkblLWI/21JOgA2RqsPknQIkipBEWZzR3VtmQZzmxBEFDvFul9cluwocHigkWYSbMeKpns= ; Message-ID: <20050128214659.40698.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.142] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:46:59 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 13:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1106942643.5740.107.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.69, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you using? I have had problems with some older cd drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I burn. William --- Larry Brown wrote: > On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only see complaints about > > > upgrades failing because of this package. I ran the cd tests with > > > positive results at the beginning of the install, when I get to that > > > package it fails saying the file is corrupt. I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > > > and burned it, then replaced the other disk. It still gives the same > > > message. Does anyone know how to get around this? > > > > > > Interesting... It took me six burns before I got a disk that passed the > > initial media check. The first were done at the default 4X. The failed disk 2 > > and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at 1X before the media check > > passed. I guessed that there was some issues with the package being near the > > end of the list, and being such a large package. Dunno. > > > > BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the /etc/security settings to get > > Nvidia to work properly. > > Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. I don't know why the > burn rate would be any different from one application to another. It > seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 shouldn't be any > different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. Well, since you > ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. > > Thanks... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 19:55:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T0tlCI018776 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:55:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0T0tl2i018775 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:55:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T0tlCI018771 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:55:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T0tjTS021942 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:55:46 -0500 Received: from web14706.mail.yahoo.com (web14706.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.123]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0T0tPwg005666 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:55:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 3991 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2005 00:55:25 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=EaixzQJAAKTRUJRuU8Jtp14w/uTxr4E4NdDxvGjEN5g+6b4cjnZ1pYNlfwDGtWjWTZlNzqdG0VmrBi03QzDcL8yZJU1wW+jRkve4sEf8yxv6VgUn3GzKVNqobU3LsU9zcMJUh9ApOz/77gX82I9rzC3Hhyx0ge8MvckkAQi8LHs= ; Message-ID: <20050129005525.3988.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [4.8.60.77] by web14706.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:55:24 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:55:24 -0800 (PST) From: Dean Shepherd Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20050128214659.40698.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.527, required 6, AWL 1.09, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted files. --- William Coulter wrote: > I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind > of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you > using? I have had problems with some older cd > drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I > burn. > > William > > > --- Larry Brown > wrote: > > On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > > Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only > see complaints about > > > > upgrades failing because of this package. I > ran the cd tests with > > > > positive results at the beginning of the > install, when I get to that > > > > package it fails saying the file is corrupt. > I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > > > > and burned it, then replaced the other disk. > It still gives the same > > > > message. Does anyone know how to get around > this? > > > > > > > > > Interesting... It took me six burns before I got > a disk that passed the > > > initial media check. The first were done at the > default 4X. The failed disk 2 > > > and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at > 1X before the media check > > > passed. I guessed that there was some issues > with the package being near the > > > end of the list, and being such a large package. > Dunno. > > > > > > BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the > /etc/security settings to get > > > Nvidia to work properly. > > > > Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. > I don't know why the > > burn rate would be any different from one > application to another. It > > seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 > shouldn't be any > > different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. > Well, since you > > ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. > > > > Thanks... > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 19:56:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T0uZCI018788 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:56:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0T0uZJF018787 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:56:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T0uYCI018783 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:56:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T0uPTM021975 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:56:34 -0500 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T0u9m2019848 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:56:10 -0500 Received: from 16-124.200-68.tampabay.rr.com[68.200.124.16] (helo=ws11.ss.szmidt.org) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKz5u-1CuguH14gh-00007y; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:56:09 -0500 From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:56:08 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <1106939234.5740.103.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> <12739.12.43.115.206.1106940231.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <12739.12.43.115.206.1106940231.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501281956.08707.steve@szmidt.org> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:f000f2fe99e2d3ebee811612b04e8539 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.343, required 6, AWL 1.56, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 28 January 2005 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only see complaints about > > upgrades failing because of this package. I ran the cd tests with > > positive results at the beginning of the install, when I get to that > > package it fails saying the file is corrupt. I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > > and burned it, then replaced the other disk. It still gives the same > > message. Does anyone know how to get around this? > > Interesting... It took me six burns before I got a disk that passed the > initial media check. The first were done at the default 4X. The failed disk > 2 and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at 1X before the media check > passed. I guessed that there was some issues with the package being near > the end of the list, and being such a large package. Dunno. > > BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the /etc/security settings to get > Nvidia to work properly. Hmm, I had it burn at full speed resulting in about 40X at the end. No problems. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Jan 28 22:51:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T3poCI020012 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:51:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0T3po5R020011 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:51:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T3pLCI020007 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:51:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T3pKTS031675 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:51:21 -0500 Received: from mail.cybrnet.net (mail.mycybernet.net [209.5.206.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0T3oEvd003991 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:50:14 -0500 Received: from main(dial-1-1-41.cybrnet.net[209.5.241.168]) (3127 bytes) by mail.cybrnet.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:49:36 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #25 built 1999-May-19) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 22:51 -0500 From: glim@mycybernet.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [OT] Yet Another Perl Conference North America 2005 announces call-for-papers X-Mailer: Mail::SendEasy/1.2 Perl/5.008004-linux Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.159, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0T3pZCI020008 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) has just released its call-for-papers; potential and aspiring speakers can submit a presentation proposal via: http://yapc.org/America/cfp-2005.shtml The dates of the conference are Monday - Wednesday 27-29 June 2005. The location will be in downtown Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Note that a different date block was previously announced, but has been moved to accomodate venue availability.) The close of the call-for-papers is April 18, 2005 at 11:59 pm. If you have any questions regarding the call-for-papers or speaking at YAPC::NA 2005 please email na-author@yapc.org We would love to hear from potential sponsors. Please contact the organizers at na-sponsor@yapc.org to learn about the benefits of sponsorship. Other information regarding the conference (e.g. venue, registration specifics) will be announced soon. We look forward to your submissions and a great conference! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 00:06:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T56oCI020534 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0T56ouh020533 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T56nCI020529 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T56mTM003185 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:49 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T56cCR012219 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:38 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0T56ZNi016723; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:06:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FB19D3.8030607@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:06:27 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files References: <41f9c848.68abe242.4d7a.11bc@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41f9c848.68abe242.4d7a.11bc@smtp.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.868, required 6, AWL -2.52, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I remember using Microsoft Works 2.0 for DOS on my Tandy notebook PC for > notetaking in college in the early 90's. It was cheap, and it ran off a > single floppy (which, considering my notebook had no hard disk, was a good > thing). While I used WordPerfect 5.1 under MS DOS on one 720 k disk. Word 2.0 (My boss had it on his confusor) allows you to pick which half of the color palate you want to use for each document, while WP 5.1 allows you to use ALL of the colors in every document. I think every version of Word that I ever touched is horrible. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 00:09:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T59dCI020554 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:09:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0T59dWD020553 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:09:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T59cCI020549 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:09:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T59bTM003291 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:09:38 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T59Ftn009897 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:09:15 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0T59CrO017257; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:09:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FB1A70.7010503@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:09:04 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files References: <20050128115646.11719.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050128115646.11719.qmail@web52610.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.135, required 6, AWL -1.78, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > If you really want something scarey.. look around the > net at the developement that has occurred for DOS in > the last couple of years ( yes they are actually still > doing DOS developement out there). Lets all upgrade these folks to LINUX. We will be doing them a great service. -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 00:18:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T5IaCI020630 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:18:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0T5IalJ020629 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:18:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0T5IYCI020625 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:18:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T5IXTM003839 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:18:33 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0T5IIm2015800 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:18:18 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (183-113.200-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.200.113.183]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0T5IFrO019755; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:18:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FB1C8F.4000805@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:18:07 +0000 From: Ronald KA4INM Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files References: <41fa33e8.4e7d648c.70d0.15e6@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41fa33e8.4e7d648c.70d0.15e6@smtp.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.493, required 6, AWL -2.14, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> There actually used to be a version of Corel office >> for Linux which HAS WordPerfect for Linux that would >> convert that file.. > There is (I used to use it), but it only works with early 2.4 kernels. I used WP for LINUX with kernel 2.2.19, I understand it will still work if we supplied 4 or 5 old library files for it. I used it, it is was only a million times better than the best of word, but I would rather have a copy of the version of WP (version 5.2 I think) for UNIX that will work under LINUX. (NON graphical) Like the UNIX version. That would be sweet! -- 73 (= Best Regards) de: Ron ka4inm@tampabay.rr.com 100% LINUX, since July, 1997 SENT Time and Date are UTC Visit my HAM Web SITE at: www.qsl.net/ka4inm NO anti-virus crap used here ever! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 08:24:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TDOwCI024067 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TDOwX8024066 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TDOvCI024062 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TDOuTQ005672 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:57 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TDOoDu003355 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:51 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so581233rne for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:24:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:message-id; b=MS3YnLdTTtN2tm0TJrIGFZjySTiBtHuAost77kotGuiCjQ5CqmDgDRdc9quI1xK62bdhovguwOGEomOPhAISFyLriEUXAY/E7kf+Csw8P4W5DQkeybpOkpMBs6LtiUQB+3+1A4c4+qNAVFCtuCq9Y9olOsAhfK3dBYFeq9iN1xU= Received: by 10.38.88.74 with SMTP id l74mr110232rnb; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm167524rna.2005.01.29.05.24.50; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} How read MS Works .wps files Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:24:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUFwrgTmV3UndGXTL6P5synjeaGGwAQx0wg In-Reply-To: <41FB1C8F.4000805@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: <41fb8ea2.063d28d5.223a.1eb1@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.791, required 6, AWL -1.00, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I used WP for LINUX with kernel 2.2.19, I understand it will still > work if we supplied 4 or 5 old library files for it. > I used it, it is was only a million times better than the best of word, > but I would rather have a copy of the version of WP (version 5.2 I think) > for > UNIX that will work under LINUX. (NON graphical) Like the UNIX version. > That would be sweet! I'd guess that you'd easily be able to run 5.x DOS under DOSEMU... SWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 08:38:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TDc4CI024193 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:38:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TDc4sa024192 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:38:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TDc3CI024188 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:38:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TDc3TM006452 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:38:03 -0500 Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0TDboCR008233 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:37:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 28218 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2005 13:37:49 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=UMIXToIn0oGu9n4gCOejxOHIWAUEp5Gwry5CupXjBemVsLlgEtBGILaFvLbE7+6fJLuKUdNN1Xd1bA2f4/V1eeHyKjskYRub9wUD3OEvC7H+Uk2DRCNNQOmWg22PlqjYQJsBabUsf6fl4JTUkamSV7b287KmjxDFSzy/rkRtbvU= ; Message-ID: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.161.156] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:37:49 PST Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:37:49 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20050129005525.3988.qmail@web14706.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.057, required 6, AWL -2.63, BAYES_10 -0.91, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As I have asked before, what kind of cd burnner do you have? William --- Dean Shepherd wrote: > When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a > clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed > on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted > files. > --- William Coulter wrote: > > > I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind > > of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you > > using? I have had problems with some older cd > > drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I > > burn. > > > > William > > > > > > --- Larry Brown > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > > > Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only > > see complaints about > > > > > upgrades failing because of this package. I > > ran the cd tests with > > > > > positive results at the beginning of the > > install, when I get to that > > > > > package it fails saying the file is corrupt. > > I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > > > > > and burned it, then replaced the other disk. > > It still gives the same > > > > > message. Does anyone know how to get around > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting... It took me six burns before I got > > a disk that passed the > > > > initial media check. The first were done at the > > default 4X. The failed disk 2 > > > > and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at > > 1X before the media check > > > > passed. I guessed that there was some issues > > with the package being near the > > > > end of the list, and being such a large package. > > Dunno. > > > > > > > > BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the > > /etc/security settings to get > > > > Nvidia to work properly. > > > > > > Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. > > I don't know why the > > > burn rate would be any different from one > > application to another. It > > > seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 > > shouldn't be any > > > different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. > > Well, since you > > > ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. > > > > > > Thanks... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 10:02:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TF2jCI024790 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:02:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TF2jVt024789 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:02:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TF2iCI024785 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:02:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TF2iTM011849 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:02:44 -0500 Received: from out006.verizon.net (out006pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.106]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TF2Rm2021075 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:02:27 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.4.102.92]) by out006.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050129150226.XTMH7873.out006.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:02:26 -0600 Message-ID: <41FBA574.3030804@gte.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:02:12 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 References: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out006.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:02:26 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.097, required 6, AWL -3.48, BAYES_10 -0.91, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: I think the real question should be what media are you using and then what burner. on some machines cd's using a organic based dye do better then a syntechic based dye. Example the 3m colors cd-rs are syntechic where HP are organic. and so are Vertbatiums. There is a tool for windows that tells you the media code and what type of dye is being used. I dont know if there is a similar application for linux. I usually burn at 32 x and usually dont have a problem . I do also use dvd images when available as it saves on cd swaping. >As I have asked before, what kind of cd burnner do you have? > >William > >--- Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > >>When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a >>clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed >>on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted >>files. >>--- William Coulter wrote: >> >> >> >>>I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind >>>of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you >>>using? I have had problems with some older cd >>>drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I >>>burn. >>> >>>William >>> >>> >>>--- Larry Brown >>>wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>see complaints about >>> >>> >>>>>>upgrades failing because of this package. I >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>ran the cd tests with >>> >>> >>>>>>positive results at the beginning of the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>install, when I get to that >>> >>> >>>>>>package it fails saying the file is corrupt. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 >>> >>> >>>>>>and burned it, then replaced the other disk. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>It still gives the same >>> >>> >>>>>>message. Does anyone know how to get around >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>this? >>> >>> >>>>>Interesting... It took me six burns before I got >>>>> >>>>> >>>a disk that passed the >>> >>> >>>>>initial media check. The first were done at the >>>>> >>>>> >>>default 4X. The failed disk 2 >>> >>> >>>>>and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at >>>>> >>>>> >>>1X before the media check >>> >>> >>>>>passed. I guessed that there was some issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>with the package being near the >>> >>> >>>>>end of the list, and being such a large package. >>>>> >>>>> >>>Dunno. >>> >>> >>>>>BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the >>>>> >>>>> >>>/etc/security settings to get >>> >>> >>>>>Nvidia to work properly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. >>>> >>>> >>>I don't know why the >>> >>> >>>>burn rate would be any different from one >>>> >>>> >>>application to another. It >>> >>> >>>>seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 >>>> >>>> >>>shouldn't be any >>> >>> >>>>different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. >>>> >>>> >>>Well, since you >>> >>> >>>>ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. >>>> >>>>Thanks... >>>> >>>> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 10:15:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFFfCI024883 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:15:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TFFftO024882 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:15:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFFeCI024878 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:15:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFFdTM012461 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:15:40 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFFHCR020456 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:15:17 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43701176C2F for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:03:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1107012222.5740.146.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:23:42 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry, I was away from the my desk for awhile. The CD burner is about a year old. It has burnt other ISO's just fine in the past. It is a TDK listed in YaST as TDK CDRW241040B. It burns without any errors using cdrecord. The disk is being read back in VMWare. I haven't had a problem with VMWare in the past. I might see if I can scrounge up a klunker to load FC3 on without having to go through VMWare and verify that the problem exists there as well. Anyway, I'm working off of FC2 right now and it seems to be ok. I recorded the disks at 4x even though the drive is supposed to be capable of 12 or 16x, I forget off hand. I still intend to re-burn them at 2x and see if I get a different result. I don't really understand why there are problems with Linux burning at higher rates. I should be able to use the capacity of the drive, I would think. I use 4x because I have tried using the drives actual speed with failures. I went down to 2x without problems and then 4x and hadn't had any problems. On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 08:37, William Coulter wrote: > As I have asked before, what kind of cd burnner do you have? > > William > > --- Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a > > clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed > > on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted > > files. > > --- William Coulter wrote: > > > > > I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind > > > of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you > > > using? I have had problems with some older cd > > > drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I > > > burn. > > > > > > William > > > > > > > > > --- Larry Brown > > > wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only > > > see complaints about > > > > > > upgrades failing because of this package. I > > > ran the cd tests with > > > > > > positive results at the beginning of the > > > install, when I get to that > > > > > > package it fails saying the file is corrupt. > > > I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > > > > > > and burned it, then replaced the other disk. > > > It still gives the same > > > > > > message. Does anyone know how to get around > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting... It took me six burns before I got > > > a disk that passed the > > > > > initial media check. The first were done at the > > > default 4X. The failed disk 2 > > > > > and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at > > > 1X before the media check > > > > > passed. I guessed that there was some issues > > > with the package being near the > > > > > end of the list, and being such a large package. > > > Dunno. > > > > > > > > > > BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the > > > /etc/security settings to get > > > > > Nvidia to work properly. > > > > > > > > Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. > > > I don't know why the > > > > burn rate would be any different from one > > > application to another. It > > > > seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 > > > shouldn't be any > > > > different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. > > > Well, since you > > > > ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. > > > > > > > > Thanks... > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 10:17:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFHvCI024900 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TFHvH5024899 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFHuCI024895 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFHuTM012577 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:56 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFHdtn008444 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:39 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87199176C2F for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:05:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <41FBA574.3030804@gte.net> References: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41FBA574.3030804@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1107012365.5740.149.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:26:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.216, required 6, AWL -0.31, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am using Imation CDR 700/80's. I have always had good burns with them in the past. At work they have bought some of the gold disks and I have terrible results with them and will no longer waste my time. I don't know the material used by Imation. On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 10:02, Robert Snyder wrote: > William Coulter wrote: > > I think the real question should be what media are you using and then > what burner. on some machines cd's using a organic based dye do better > then a syntechic based dye. Example the 3m colors cd-rs are syntechic > where HP are organic. and so are Vertbatiums. There is a tool for > windows that tells you the media code and what type of dye is being > used. I dont know if there is a similar application for linux. I > usually burn at 32 x and usually dont have a problem . I do also use > dvd images when available as it saves on cd swaping. > > >As I have asked before, what kind of cd burnner do you have? > > > >William > > > >--- Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > > > > > >>When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a > >>clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed > >>on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted > >>files. > >>--- William Coulter wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind > >>>of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you > >>>using? I have had problems with some older cd > >>>drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I > >>>burn. > >>> > >>>William > >>> > >>> > >>>--- Larry Brown > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>see complaints about > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>upgrades failing because of this package. I > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>ran the cd tests with > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>positive results at the beginning of the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>install, when I get to that > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>package it fails saying the file is corrupt. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>and burned it, then replaced the other disk. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>It still gives the same > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>message. Does anyone know how to get around > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>this? > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Interesting... It took me six burns before I got > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>a disk that passed the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>initial media check. The first were done at the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>default 4X. The failed disk 2 > >>> > >>> > >>>>>and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>1X before the media check > >>> > >>> > >>>>>passed. I guessed that there was some issues > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>with the package being near the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>end of the list, and being such a large package. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>Dunno. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>/etc/security settings to get > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Nvidia to work properly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I don't know why the > >>> > >>> > >>>>burn rate would be any different from one > >>>> > >>>> > >>>application to another. It > >>> > >>> > >>>>seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>shouldn't be any > >>> > >>> > >>>>different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Well, since you > >>> > >>> > >>>>ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. > >>>> > >>>>Thanks... > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 10:19:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFJgCI024922 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:19:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TFJgdG024921 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:19:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFJfCI024917 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:19:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFJfTM012618 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:19:41 -0500 Received: from out007.verizon.net (out007pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.107]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFHtwg028824 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:56 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.4.102.92]) by out007.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050129151752.ZTGU21228.out007.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:17:52 -0600 Message-ID: <41FBA919.5040600@gte.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:45 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] CGYWIN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out007.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:17:52 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.745, required 6, AWL -3.31, BAYES_20 -1.43, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net At the december meeting in Sarasota, one of the members had brought in a a new version of cgywin that it was preconfigured and setup have what ever linux box you ssh in to use X foward. Something i could never get to work right in cgywin was getting linux to use X foward with cgywin. ( it would work with other linux boxes but never with cgywin.) Does anyone remember what the heck it was called. Thanks. "Wee Robby" Snyder ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 10:33:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFXnCI025061 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:33:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TFXnv1025060 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:33:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TFXnCI025056 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:33:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFXhTS013800 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:33:49 -0500 Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TFWmwg031717 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:32:48 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.4.102.92]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050129153245.YOMJ4717.out011.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:32:45 -0600 Message-ID: <41FBAC95.6080500@gte.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:32:37 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 References: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41FBA574.3030804@gte.net> <1107012365.5740.149.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <1107012365.5740.149.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:32:44 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.597, required 6, AWL -3.89, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Imation is made by 3M which uses syntheic dye. It really should not matter. I found though with them that pushing syntheics to the edge seems to give some problems with some things. Example SVCD/VCD might chop a movie in to halves but it be right at the edge. I have times with sythenics where the last couple minutes of the svcd are all foobared up good. Though I typically dont do media check on the cds as that system is usually foobared. Example FC2 i downloaded the iso on windows compared the md5sums they all matched perfectly. Opened up Virtual PC whento to installe and on the 2nd disk found bad error i rebooted the Virtual machine did an install, full (i skip media check) no problems. I burn my slackware cds at the highest my cdburners will go in linux no problems. But again slackware does not push a cd all the way out to the rim. Larry Brown wrote: >I am using Imation CDR 700/80's. I have always had good burns with them >in the past. At work they have bought some of the gold disks and I have >terrible results with them and will no longer waste my time. I don't >know the material used by Imation. > >On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 10:02, Robert Snyder wrote: > > >>William Coulter wrote: >> >>I think the real question should be what media are you using and then >>what burner. on some machines cd's using a organic based dye do better >>then a syntechic based dye. Example the 3m colors cd-rs are syntechic >>where HP are organic. and so are Vertbatiums. There is a tool for >>windows that tells you the media code and what type of dye is being >>used. I dont know if there is a similar application for linux. I >>usually burn at 32 x and usually dont have a problem . I do also use >>dvd images when available as it saves on cd swaping. >> >> >> >>>As I have asked before, what kind of cd burnner do you have? >>> >>>William >>> >>>--- Dean Shepherd wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a >>>>clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed >>>>on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted >>>>files. >>>>--- William Coulter wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind >>>>>of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you >>>>>using? I have had problems with some older cd >>>>>drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I >>>>>burn. >>>>> >>>>>William >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- Larry Brown >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>see complaints about >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>upgrades failing because of this package. I >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>ran the cd tests with >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>positive results at the beginning of the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>install, when I get to that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>package it fails saying the file is corrupt. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>and burned it, then replaced the other disk. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>It still gives the same >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>message. Does anyone know how to get around >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Interesting... It took me six burns before I got >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>a disk that passed the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>initial media check. The first were done at the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>default 4X. The failed disk 2 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>1X before the media check >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>passed. I guessed that there was some issues >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>with the package being near the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>end of the list, and being such a large package. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>Dunno. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>/etc/security settings to get >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>Nvidia to work properly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I don't know why the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>burn rate would be any different from one >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>application to another. It >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>shouldn't be any >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Well, since you >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >>>http://mail.yahoo.com >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 11:16:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGG7CI025365 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:16:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TGG7Vn025364 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:16:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGG7CI025360 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:16:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGG6TM016022 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:16:07 -0500 Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGFkvd031632 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:15:50 -0500 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CuvGE-0004D3-2o for slug@nks.net; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:15:46 -0500 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D773F70C20D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 24.144.85.166 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:19:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1311.24.144.85.166.1107015576.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <41FBA919.5040600@gte.net> References: <41FBA919.5040600@gte.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:19:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] CGYWIN From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac0549fb11073be4ad3a51770c24f44d60ebcb840f99766d6df350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.912, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j0TGG7CI025361 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder said: > At the december meeting in Sarasota, one of the members had brought in > a a new version of cgywin that it was preconfigured and setup have what > ever linux box you ssh in to use X foward. Something i could never get > to work right in cgywin was getting linux to use X foward with cgywin. > ( it would work with other linux boxes but never with cgywin.) > > Does anyone remember what the heck it was called. > > > Thanks. > > "Wee Robby" Snyder Was it Exceed? http://connectivity.hummingbird.com/products/nc/exceed/index.html Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 11:42:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGgoCI025574 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:42:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TGgo9b025573 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:42:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGgnCI025569 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:42:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGgnTO017583 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:42:49 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGgIvd003719 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:42:18 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0TGgGrP011274 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:42:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CGYWIN In-Reply-To: <41FBA919.5040600@gte.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: At the december meeting in Sarasota, one of the members had brought in > a a new version of cgywin that it was preconfigured and setup have what > ever linux box you ssh in to use X foward. "ForwardX11 yes" in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, or "-X" option to ssh used every time, and an X server running on the client machine? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. -Sir William Drummond ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 11:57:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGvACI025678 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TGvAmC025677 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGvACI025673 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGv9TM018369 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:10 -0500 Received: from out005.verizon.net (out005pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.143]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGv0Du027178 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:00 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.4.102.92]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050129165700.OEOX28362.out005.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:57:00 -0600 Message-ID: <41FBC055.6040904@gte.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:56:53 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CGYWIN References: <41FBA919.5040600@gte.net> <1311.24.144.85.166.1107015576.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <1311.24.144.85.166.1107015576.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:57:00 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.239, required 6, AWL -4.25, BAYES_40 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Doug Koobs wrote: >Robert Snyder said: > > >>At the december meeting in Sarasota, one of the members had brought in >>a a new version of cgywin that it was preconfigured and setup have what >>ever linux box you ssh in to use X foward. Something i could never get >>to work right in cgywin was getting linux to use X foward with cgywin. >>( it would work with other linux boxes but never with cgywin.) >> >>Does anyone remember what the heck it was called. >> >> >>Thanks. >> >>"Wee Robby" Snyder >> >> > > > I bought exceed a while ago did not like it this was a live cd that had cgywin on it preconfigured to connect to X .... I found it it is called XliveCD i cant take it to any windows machine and allows me to connect to X with out all the hass of settuping cgywin. >Was it Exceed? >http://connectivity.hummingbird.com/products/nc/exceed/index.html > >Doug > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 11:58:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGw3CI025689 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:58:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TGw3SI025688 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:58:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGw3CI025684 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:58:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGw2TM018383 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:58:02 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGvmtn017475 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:48 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so618403rne for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:message-id; b=ljekbGN76X08GLZvSCV1Da2mQS+W0imZYhzcXrT0EmXAh8j3iiAuIp3KzsgfesTMgYdcFjSxnNJgDGLPcTeN/J6SBTt8Hy4QfKlKydCwPORWuP+Yq+TeZ2qdCjUVJEUV3HStqcMmDWbPGfx/aBb15hKEG5ZtDDGex2YzOFBMJBk= Received: by 10.39.1.75 with SMTP id d75mr79399rni; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 59sm200067rnb.2005.01.29.08.57.47; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:57:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUGFHYTO7MVAHF3REWsLxozL/PK3wADx8rQ In-Reply-To: <41FBA574.3030804@gte.net> Message-ID: <41fbc08b.56122936.2cd7.1e46@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.354, required 6, AWL -0.15, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When I'm burning CDs and *especially* DVDs out of Windows even, I'll make an image in the Windows app, and then load up Knoppix or Kanotix and burn in Linux. Never burned a coaster. > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 10:02 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 > > William Coulter wrote: > > I think the real question should be what media are you using and then > what burner. on some machines cd's using a organic based dye do better > then a syntechic based dye. Example the 3m colors cd-rs are syntechic > where HP are organic. and so are Vertbatiums. There is a tool for > windows that tells you the media code and what type of dye is being > used. I dont know if there is a similar application for linux. I > usually burn at 32 x and usually dont have a problem . I do also use > dvd images when available as it saves on cd swaping. > > >As I have asked before, what kind of cd burnner do you have? > > > >William > > > >--- Dean Shepherd wrote: > > > > > > > >>When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a > >>clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed > >>on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted > >>files. > >>--- William Coulter wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind > >>>of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you > >>>using? I have had problems with some older cd > >>>drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I > >>>burn. > >>> > >>>William > >>> > >>> > >>>--- Larry Brown > >>>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>see complaints about > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>upgrades failing because of this package. I > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>ran the cd tests with > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>positive results at the beginning of the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>install, when I get to that > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>package it fails saying the file is corrupt. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>and burned it, then replaced the other disk. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>It still gives the same > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>message. Does anyone know how to get around > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>this? > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Interesting... It took me six burns before I got > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>a disk that passed the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>initial media check. The first were done at the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>default 4X. The failed disk 2 > >>> > >>> > >>>>>and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>1X before the media check > >>> > >>> > >>>>>passed. I guessed that there was some issues > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>with the package being near the > >>> > >>> > >>>>>end of the list, and being such a large package. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>Dunno. > >>> > >>> > >>>>>BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>/etc/security settings to get > >>> > >>> > >>>>>Nvidia to work properly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I don't know why the > >>> > >>> > >>>>burn rate would be any different from one > >>>> > >>>> > >>>application to another. It > >>> > >>> > >>>>seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>shouldn't be any > >>> > >>> > >>>>different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Well, since you > >>> > >>> > >>>>ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. > >>>> > >>>>Thanks... > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 11:59:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGxVCI025702 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TGxV7x025701 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TGxUCI025697 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGxUTM018408 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:30 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TGxMDu027292 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:22 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so597940rne for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:59:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:message-id; b=GDsK2sj9Czo9KKHlSBoi/9NxBrYGBczpypzOD3sa9ESsJ2q5jg2uF9VXF8cf0F8uq9K56eWQpCSsuaGfyIZYGbWpclcSuvB6MYjEEXXTXqsTuYH+rE70KZWsnd4rPztMsUugou/iRQHdPYZ3WAZ5p+6wpvjvlYMgrH0Sl1ur1qs= Received: by 10.38.209.74 with SMTP id h74mr130967rng; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from Archangel ([24.164.60.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 73sm192219rna.2005.01.29.08.59.21; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:59:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Steven Buehler" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] CGYWIN Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUGFrXaMQlaEmSfQImMG2/rQ0HDXQADQN4w In-Reply-To: <41FBA919.5040600@gte.net> Message-ID: <41fbc0e9.4117acc0.037b.1d36@smtp.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.875, required 6, AWL -0.92, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm not the one who made this, but I've been using Cygwin on the Windows side for quite a while. It now has its own X server implementation, and you can simply ssh -X into a Linux box with it and get X Windows apps. I'm really looking forward to trying this when my iBook arrives early next week. SWB > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 10:18 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] CGYWIN > > At the december meeting in Sarasota, one of the members had brought in > a a new version of cgywin that it was preconfigured and setup have what > ever linux box you ssh in to use X foward. Something i could never get > to work right in cgywin was getting linux to use X foward with cgywin. > ( it would work with other linux boxes but never with cgywin.) > > Does anyone remember what the heck it was called. > > > Thanks. > > "Wee Robby" Snyder > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 12:03:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TH32CI025762 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:03:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TH32u3025761 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:03:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TH30CI025753 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:03:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TH30TM018634 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:03:00 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TH2tDu028578 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:02:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (45-85.207-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.207.85.45]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0TH2rNr007172 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:02:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Lowe Organization: http://davedorm.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:02:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501291202.52119.davedorm@gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here's a dumb question. KMail will classify a message as SPAM. Well, duh, I know what SPAM is. But it also will classify a message as HAM. What is a HAM message? Thanks! -- Dave Lowe (KD4INR) - Tampa Bay, FL Registered Linux User #375232 http://davedorm.com | http://tampascifi.us ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 12:15:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0THFYCI025852 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:15:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0THFY20025851 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:15:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0THFXCI025847 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:15:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0THFWTO019312 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:15:33 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0THF3vd011190 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:15:03 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0D44D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:15:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FBC496.2020400@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:15:02 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? References: <200501291202.52119.davedorm@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200501291202.52119.davedorm@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.782, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dave Lowe wrote: > Here's a dumb question. KMail will classify a message as SPAM. Well, duh, I > know what SPAM is. But it also will classify a message as HAM. What is a HAM > message? > > Thanks! > Ham is not spam. :P For many filtering programs you can designate a Ham folder in which you can place good email. The filtering program can then learn from the Ham folder to help avoid false positive spam tagging. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 12:22:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0THMtCI025916 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:22:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0THMtrv025915 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:22:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0THMsCI025911 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:22:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0THMsTM019751 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:22:54 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0THMPtn020335 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:22:25 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.106] (43-181.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.181.43]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0THMMiM028818 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:22:22 -0500 (EST) From: jeff To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:24:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200501291202.52119.davedorm@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200501291202.52119.davedorm@gmail.com> X-Fun: Without walls or fences, who needs Windows and Gates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200501291224.21813.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.244, required 6, AWL -1.33, BAYES_10 -0.91, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 29 January 2005 12:02, Dave Lowe wrote: > Here's a dumb question. KMail will classify a message as SPAM. Well, duh, I > know what SPAM is. But it also will classify a message as HAM. What is a > HAM message? > > Thanks! The simplest definition is that ham is anything that is not spam. Sort of like the definitions for hardware and software: Hardware: Anything that isn't software Software: Anything that isn't hardware :) Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 12:27:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0THRLCI025969 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:27:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0THRLig025968 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:27:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0THRKCI025964 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:27:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0THRKTM019920 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:27:20 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0THQuvd013364 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:26:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (45-85.207-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.207.85.45]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0THQpkv020903 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:26:51 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Lowe Organization: http://davedorm.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:26:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200501291202.52119.davedorm@gmail.com> <41FBC496.2020400@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <41FBC496.2020400@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501291226.49889.davedorm@gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 29 January 2005 12:15 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Ham is not spam. :P Simple enough. > For many filtering programs you can designate a Ham folder in which you > can place good email. The filtering program can then learn from the Ham > folder to help avoid false positive spam tagging. That makes perfect sense. I have seen that before, but never seen it referred to as HAM. I have always seen a different meaning of HAM, like amateur radio or pork products. Hey, learn something new each day. -- Dave Lowe (KD4INR) - Tampa Bay, FL Registered Linux User #375232 http://davedorm.com | http://tampascifi.us ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 13:01:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TI1sCI026221 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TI1sbN026220 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TI1sCI026216 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TI1rTM021960 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:54 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TI1nDu002195 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:50 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0TI1lrP011044 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? In-Reply-To: <200501291224.21813.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Saturday 29 January 2005 12:02, Dave Lowe wrote: > > Here's a dumb question. KMail will classify a message as SPAM. Well, duh, I > > know what SPAM is. But it also will classify a message as HAM. What is a > > HAM message? > > > The simplest definition is that ham is anything that is not spam. Sort of like > the definitions for hardware and software: > Hardware: Anything that isn't software > Software: Anything that isn't hardware If you can kick it, it's hardware. Or the Luddite version: If you can throw it out a window, it's hardware. :-) -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 13:26:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TIQXCI026402 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:26:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TIQXYJ026401 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:26:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TIQWCI026397 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:26:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TIQWTM023322 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:26:32 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TIQDvd025774 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:26:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D2F176C2F for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:14:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <41FBAC95.6080500@gte.net> References: <20050129133749.28216.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <41FBA574.3030804@gte.net> <1107012365.5740.149.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> <41FBAC95.6080500@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1107023678.5740.154.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:34:39 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.799, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You say it failed on disk 2 and then you selected all packages on the second pass. Is it possible there is an error in Fedora's ability to resolve dependancies correctly? The RPM fails and a generic message is provided? The same xorg-x11 file was where the "corrupt message" was on two seperately burned disks of FC3 for me. If it is some burn corruption, I'd be surprised if it was the same RPM. And again, they passed the media check. On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 10:32, Robert Snyder wrote: > Imation is made by 3M which uses syntheic dye. It really should not > matter. I found though with them that pushing syntheics to the edge > seems to give some problems with some things. Example SVCD/VCD might > chop a movie in to halves but it be right at the edge. I have times > with sythenics where the last couple minutes of the svcd are all > foobared up good. Though I typically dont do media check on the cds as > that system is usually foobared. Example FC2 i downloaded the iso on > windows compared the md5sums they all matched perfectly. Opened up > Virtual PC whento to installe and on the 2nd disk found bad error i > rebooted the Virtual machine did an install, full (i skip media check) > no problems. I burn my slackware cds at the highest my cdburners will > go in linux no problems. But again slackware does not push a cd all the > way out to the rim. > > > Larry Brown wrote: > > >I am using Imation CDR 700/80's. I have always had good burns with them > >in the past. At work they have bought some of the gold disks and I have > >terrible results with them and will no longer waste my time. I don't > >know the material used by Imation. > > > >On Sat, 2005-01-29 at 10:02, Robert Snyder wrote: > > > > > >>William Coulter wrote: > >> > >>I think the real question should be what media are you using and then > >>what burner. on some machines cd's using a organic based dye do better > >>then a syntechic based dye. Example the 3m colors cd-rs are syntechic > >>where HP are organic. and so are Vertbatiums. There is a tool for > >>windows that tells you the media code and what type of dye is being > >>used. I dont know if there is a similar application for linux. I > >>usually burn at 32 x and usually dont have a problem . I do also use > >>dvd images when available as it saves on cd swaping. > >> > >> > >> > >>>As I have asked before, what kind of cd burnner do you have? > >>> > >>>William > >>> > >>>--- Dean Shepherd wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>When I downloaded Mandrake10.0, I could only get a > >>>>clean enough copy when I burned at the slowest speed > >>>>on my burner(2X). Otherwise, I kept getting corrupted > >>>>files. > >>>>--- William Coulter wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I downloaded FC3 and I had no problems. What kind > >>>>>of cd burnner and what kind of cd drive are you > >>>>>using? I have had problems with some older cd > >>>>>drives. They have a hard time reading the cd's I > >>>>>burn. > >>>>> > >>>>>William > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>--- Larry Brown > >>>>>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>On Fri, 2005-01-28 at 14:23, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Has anyone seen this? I have googled and only > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>see complaints about > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>upgrades failing because of this package. I > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>ran the cd tests with > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>positive results at the beginning of the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>install, when I get to that > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>package it fails saying the file is corrupt. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>I re-downloaded FC3 disk 2 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>and burned it, then replaced the other disk. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>It still gives the same > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>message. Does anyone know how to get around > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>this? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>Interesting... It took me six burns before I got > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>a disk that passed the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>initial media check. The first were done at the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>default 4X. The failed disk 2 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>and disk 3 were reburned at 2X then finally at > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>1X before the media check > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>passed. I guessed that there was some issues > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>with the package being near the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>end of the list, and being such a large package. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>Dunno. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>BTW, I did have to make a few changes to the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>/etc/security settings to get > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>Nvidia to work properly. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>Hmmm, maybe I'll try burning it at a slower rate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>I don't know why the > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>burn rate would be any different from one > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>application to another. It > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>seems to me that if burning at a high rate for FC2 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>shouldn't be any > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>different than FC3. Binary is Binary right? Hmm. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Well, since you > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>ultimately got it to work, I'll try some more. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Thanks... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>__________________________________________________ > >>>Do You Yahoo!? > >>>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >>>http://mail.yahoo.com > >>>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >>>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 13:37:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TIbnCI026485 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:37:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TIbnaf026484 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:37:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TIbnCI026480 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:37:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TIbmTM023883 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:37:49 -0500 Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with SMTP id j0TIbTtn027336 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:37:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 76865 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jan 2005 18:37:29 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=rVeHh5A2gZpgb75UbKKPVKLD1u8zyCF3V3aB/W3/3IIkXsCLEKOhSnPVnASnuTDhVRcAp6agzJtiGHuk2CYyz09Gs4LaF7KbM4JEH3aCgJocV5t5s7eRBtvSuctjMM3oxdXxyVezqEsypvxG5n3WNvL7TaTeUL1sUA5HiFGlga4= ; Message-ID: <20050129183729.76863.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.161.56] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:37:29 PST Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:37:29 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <41FBA574.3030804@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.506, required 6, AWL -1.20, BAYES_00 -4.90, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That is info that I didn't know. I use Memorex most of the time but I have been using FujiFilm. They were cheep. I also have used TDK. For the most part, I don't have problems unless I do it myself. When I usually burn at 20x or 32x. William --- Robert Snyder wrote: > William Coulter wrote: > > I think the real question should be what media are you using and then > what burner. on some machines cd's using a organic based dye do better > then a syntechic based dye. Example the 3m colors cd-rs are syntechic > where HP are organic. and so are Vertbatiums. There is a tool for > windows that tells you the media code and what type of dye is being > used. I dont know if there is a similar application for linux. I > usually burn at 32 x and usually dont have a problem . I do also use > dvd images when available as it saves on cd swaping. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 15:38:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TKc9CI027337 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:38:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TKc8i1027336 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:38:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TKc8CI027332 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:38:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TKc8TM030666 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:38:08 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TKbYvd018922 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:37:34 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0TKbWNs027059 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:37:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:37:34 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] stripping libraries Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:45:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0TKjQL6027402 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:45:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0TKjPCI027398 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:45:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TKjOTQ031079 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:45:25 -0500 Received: from out002.verizon.net (out002pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.141]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0TKjCDu019105 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:45:12 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([4.4.102.92]) by out002.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050129204511.ZVUK12052.out002.verizon.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:45:11 -0600 Message-ID: <41FBF5CF.8070001@gte.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:45:03 -0500 From: Robert Snyder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 3 fail on xorg-x11 References: <20050129183729.76863.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050129183729.76863.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out002.verizon.net from [4.4.102.92] at Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:45:11 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=6.77, required 6, AWL -3.72, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: >That is info that I didn't know. I use Memorex most of the time but I have been using FujiFilm. >They were cheep. I also have used TDK. For the most part, I don't have problems unless I do it >myself. When I usually burn at 20x or 32x. > >William > > > Memorex tends to be syntheic dye. Fuji and TDK most of the time are organic dyes. Sony's are usually organic. >--- Robert Snyder wrote: > > > >>William Coulter wrote: >> >>I think the real question should be what media are you using and then >>what burner. on some machines cd's using a organic based dye do better >>then a syntechic based dye. Example the 3m colors cd-rs are syntechic >>where HP are organic. and so are Vertbatiums. There is a tool for >>windows that tells you the media code and what type of dye is being >>used. I dont know if there is a similar application for linux. I >>usually burn at 32 x and usually dont have a problem . I do also use >>dvd images when available as it saves on cd swaping. >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! >http://my.yahoo.com > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 21:11:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0U2BpCI029689 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:11:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0U2Bp4s029688 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:11:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0U2BoCI029684 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:11:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0U2BnTO017040 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:11:50 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0U2BYtn004168 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:11:34 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so656260rne for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:11:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=IbDgWsGZu+lh40Cy49XiE1mc8xdfjzvDGuMxLBiRaQlkcfflQyRXJmaNhmxPjcjVk1U1JeH/Q1GqqnF9C44bVw0tJ9mc9wpS2st0TGWeoGdIIIXxaEebRauaHOzSrMfZHPALyQLAW/F19NaFFoI7Lh/NogXp5JOI8844vM7AU64= Received: by 10.38.125.70 with SMTP id x70mr64825rnc; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.66 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:11:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:11:33 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] stripping libraries In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.746, required 6, AWL 0.15, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 15:37:34 -0500 (EST), Eben King wrote: > So I've got a bunch of libraries (.so files), that "file" says are: > > ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped > > I know executables can be stripped, and that generally makes them smaller > with no ill effects if you don't plan to use a debugger on them (I do it > often). Can libraries also be stripped with the same caveats? > Yep. They're object files and can be stripped. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Jan 29 21:12:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0U2CYCI029700 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0U2CYMJ029699 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0U2CYCI029695 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0U2CXTO017140 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:33 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0U2CRCR026706 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6883F4D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:12:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FC422D.8010301@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:10:53 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? References: <200501291202.52119.davedorm@gmail.com> <41FBC496.2020400@digitalhermit.com> <200501291226.49889.davedorm@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200501291226.49889.davedorm@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.093, required 6, AWL -1.74, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dave Lowe wrote: > That makes perfect sense. I have seen that before, but never seen it referred > to as HAM. I have always seen a different meaning of HAM, like amateur radio > or pork products. Hey, learn something new each day. Truthfully, I think calling it ham borders on the ridiculous... It's like calling a joystick a louse because it rhymes with mouse. :/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 11:10:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UGALCI003126 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:10:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UGAL8A003125 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:10:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UGAKCI003121 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:10:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UGAKTM009083 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:10:20 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UG9Rwg001152 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:09:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B85AFF936 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 08:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] BRL CAD gzip failure? Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:15:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501301115.19964.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.353, required 6, AWL -2.35, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was trying to unpackage the BRL CAD http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/ program when this error occurred during "tar -zxvf brlcad-7.0_ia32.tgz" gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Unexpected EOF in archive tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Is the file corrupt? I've tried from several different "mirrors." I've posted on their IRC (irc.freenode.net IRC channel #brlcad). I'm not sure if this is a response or not: I downloaded the tgz from several US sources via Sourceforge.net. Gzip choked, saying something about a premature EOF. Anybody had problems lately? Here's the quote, "gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file" Of course tar has issues thereafter as well, but I think the decompression is the main problem. --> noyb (~noyb@wbar2.lax1-4-8-213-215.dsl-verizon.net) has joined #brlcad <-- noyb has quit ("leaving") BRL-CAD: brlcad * brlcad/ (7 files in 4 dirs): newline at end of file BRL-CAD: brlcad * brlcad/src/ (20 files in 6 dirs): copyright update from army to government and 2005 i remember having had that problem years ago i forget how to fix it though Do you think it's a gzip problem or is it my error? I always use tar -zxvf I even used gzip -d I remember there used to be a password for the old licensing. BRL-CAD: brlcad * brlcad/src/rt/rtray.1: copyright update from army to government and 2005 BRL-CAD: brlcad * brlcad/doc/html/manuals/mged/animmate/rt.html: copyright update from army to government and 2005 Eh, anybody? /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 11:41:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UGfNCI003353 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:41:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UGfN2q003352 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:41:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UGfNCI003348 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:41:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UGfLTO011119 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:41:22 -0500 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UGf7Du024669 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:41:07 -0500 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142804D for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:40:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FD0E15.90002@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 11:40:53 -0500 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] BRL CAD gzip failure? References: <200501301115.19964.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200501301115.19964.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.192, required 6, AWL 0.71, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mario Lombardo wrote: > I was trying to unpackage the BRL CAD http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/ > program when this error occurred during "tar -zxvf brlcad-7.0_ia32.tgz" > > gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file > tar: Unexpected EOF in archive > tar: Unexpected EOF in archive > tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > Is the file corrupt? I've tried from several different "mirrors." I've > posted on their IRC (irc.freenode.net IRC channel #brlcad). I'm not sure if > this is a response or not: > The archive appears to be corrupted. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 12:16:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UHGRCI003575 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UHGRsL003574 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UHGQCI003570 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UHGQTM012856 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:26 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UHFstn031296 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:15:54 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0UHFqkw015495 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:15:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:15:54 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] BRL CAD gzip failure? In-Reply-To: <41FD0E15.90002@digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Mario Lombardo wrote: > > I was trying to unpackage the BRL CAD http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/ > > program when this error occurred during "tar -zxvf brlcad-7.0_ia32.tgz" > > > > gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file > > tar: Unexpected EOF in archive > > tar: Unexpected EOF in archive > > tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > > > Is the file corrupt? I've tried from several different "mirrors." I've > > posted on their IRC (irc.freenode.net IRC channel #brlcad). I'm not sure if > > this is a response or not: > > The archive appears to be corrupted. Yeah, appears to be. The stuff near the end looks the same (to the naked eye) as the stuff near the beginning. You can get 1032 (or so) files out of it as is, but I recommend you grab the source archive and compile it. It's a later version, anyhow. Or see if you can get hold of an earlier version, if you really really hate compiling. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please. Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad) http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 12:16:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UHGlCI003582 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UHGlSJ003581 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UHGkCI003577 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UHGjTM012883 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:46 -0500 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UHGYtn031388 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:16:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (unknown [4.33.235.31]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66056FF9A5 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 09:16:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] BRL CAD gzip failure? RESOLVED Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:22:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200501301115.19964.mario@alienscience.com> <41FD0E15.90002@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <41FD0E15.90002@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501301222.31387.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.551, required 6, AWL -3.12, BAYES_20 -1.43, FU_TLD_BZ 2.40, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 30 January 2005 11:40, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Mario Lombardo wrote: > > I was trying to unpackage the BRL CAD > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/brlcad/ program when this error occurred > > during "tar -zxvf brlcad-7.0_ia32.tgz" > > > > gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file > > tar: Unexpected EOF in archive > > tar: Unexpected EOF in archive > > tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now > > > > Is the file corrupt? I've tried from several different "mirrors." I've > > posted on their IRC (irc.freenode.net IRC channel #brlcad). I'm not sure > > if this is a response or not: > > The archive appears to be corrupted. > FYI, everyone... .....continued later from previous post...... BRL-CAD: brlcad * brlcad/sh/header.sh: don't bother formatting new block copyright line to 70 exactly since we just have to fix the wrapping of the 'the' after a year mario: the ia32 tgz is corrupted the upload apparently didn't complete successfully BRL-CAD: brlcad * brlcad/sh/copyright.sh: headers use a different copyright line now, so just look for United States. ignore all of other/ now too. mario: i'm working on making new binaries for 7.0.4, so there should be a new download soon probably within a day or two if all goes well --> kraig01 (~kraig@dsl-63-173-191-32.tcq.net) has joined #brlcad * brlcad ponders the massive commit bork! :) did you see photos? Hey, brlcad, thanks. I asked some of the guys in my LUG and they said the same thing, so I was just waiting for the next post. I'm excited to try the newer 7.0.4. I haven't checked this thing out yet, but it looks slick. I'll keep checking SF. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 13:21:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UIL4CI004036 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:21:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UIL41X004035 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:21:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UIL3CI004031 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:21:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UIL3TM016476 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:21:03 -0500 Received: from out004.verizon.net (out004pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.142]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UIKTvd004587 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:20:29 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([4.47.204.60]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20050130182028.TFPF8290.out004.verizon.net@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:20:28 -0600 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? From: Joe Brandt To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:48:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1107053327.5451.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [4.47.204.60] at Sun, 30 Jan 2005 12:20:28 -0600 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.524, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 0.75, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > If you can kick it, it's hardware. > > Or the Luddite version: If you can throw it out a window, it's hardware. :-) > So a cd is hardware but the interpretation of the real dimples is software? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 14:13:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UJDlCI004389 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:13:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UJDlVe004388 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:13:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UJDkCI004384 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:13:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UJDjTO019476 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:13:46 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UJDSwg030835 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:13:28 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0UJDQNj028124 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:13:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:13:30 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SPAM or HAM? In-Reply-To: <1107053327.5451.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: > If you can kick it, it's hardware. > > > > Or the Luddite version: If you can throw it out a window, it's hardware. > > :-) > > > So a cd is hardware but the interpretation of the real dimples is > software? That's my impression. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb watermelon in your colon. Trade toothbrushes with an albino dwarf, then give a hickey to Meryl Streep. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 14:59:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UJxsCI004698 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:59:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UJxs6S004697 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:59:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UJxsCI004693 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:59:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UJxrTM021850 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:59:53 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com ([199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UJxKm2019265 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:59:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82849100D0 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14095-01-10 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.221] (p199-227-193-221.max.acun.net [199.227.193.221]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEF31005C for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:37:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:58:20 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.287, required 6, AWL -1.41, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Everybody! I think you (collectively) have finally gotten my MEPIS system working. I can see the windows that are open, I can print, I can email, I can browse the web - all without the viruses and worms from the dark side. Many thanks to all who helped and encouraged. Now, to get applications to do various things, or figure out what I have already if I have it. Looking for a desktop publisher for one thing, anyone know of one? Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 15:13:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UKDeCI004806 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UKDe7L004805 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UKDdCI004801 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UKDcTM022753 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:38 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UKDTm2021660 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:29 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0UKDRkw016388 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 15:13:31 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? In-Reply-To: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. Well, what do you want to do in it that you can't? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 17:35:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UMZGCI005771 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:35:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0UMZGd5005770 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:35:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0UMZBCI005766 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:35:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UMYuTM030214 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:35:10 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0UMYhtn026701 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:34:44 -0500 Received: from pcp03955190pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.56.138] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CvNeA-0001aK-Mr for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:34:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vBfY98H11jI+RFwJh07q" Organization: I.T. Are Belonging To Us Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 17:34:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1107124457.14115.4.camel@sirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.625, required 6, AWL -3.32, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-vBfY98H11jI+RFwJh07q Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 14:58 -0500, Pete Theisen wrote: > Now, to get applications to do various things, or figure out what I have=20 > already if I have it. Looking for a desktop publisher for one thing,=20 Check out Scribus. http://www.scribus.org.uk/ > anyone know of one? Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. I have personally made 10% of the skins for XMMS found at http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/966/ using the GIMP. Everything I learned about the GIMP came from http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ The Logan --=20 17:25:01 up 23 days, 9:01, 3 users, load average: 1.03, 1.02, 0.95 I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. --= Groucho Marx ICQ: 72101412 AIM/MSN/Yahoo/Jabber: logantheclever Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-vBfY98H11jI+RFwJh07q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBB/WDo3OecGqSbkyMRAn7dAJ9FgS9nRfsfJ4cGxwxo/hDpNtFGfgCg0zmD 0Gs8vPGUFkwB2Wn3OhmRgVI= =6iww -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vBfY98H11jI+RFwJh07q-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 19:53:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V0rkCI006701 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:53:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0V0rkWG006700 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:53:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V0rjCI006696 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:53:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V0rbTM005150 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:53:45 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V0rIm2016764 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:53:18 -0500 Received: from tampabay.rr.com (184-177.35-65.tampabay.rr.com [65.35.177.184]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0V0rENr008389 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:53:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FD817C.20100@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:53:16 -0500 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040216 Debian/1.6.x.1-10 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.202, required 6, AWL -2.20, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > I think you (collectively) have finally gotten my MEPIS system > working. I can see the windows that are open, I can print, I can > email, I can browse the web - all without the viruses and worms from > the dark side. Many thanks to all who helped and encouraged. > > Now, to get applications to do various things, or figure out what I > have already if I have it. Looking for a desktop publisher for one > thing, anyone know of one? Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. > > Regards, > > Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Right clicking on the image in Gimp brings up all kinds of menu's. Have you tried Open Office for desktop publishing? If that isn't good enough, go to Debian.org and look thru the deb packages. I have Pro Mepis as one of the three Distro's in my system. I'm pretty sure Open Office is In it, but I haven't used it yet in Pro Mepis. Richard ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 22:08:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V38rCI007590 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0V38rZR007589 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V38rCI007585 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V38qTM012278 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V38gCR031516 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (45-85.207-68.tampabay.rr.com [68.207.85.45]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j0V38dkv022272 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:40 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Lowe Organization: http://davedorm.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:08:36 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501302208.37436.davedorm@gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 30 January 2005 02:58 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: > already if I have it. Looking for a desktop publisher for one thing, > anyone know of one? Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. Scribus is included with MEPIS. Not a bad package for DTP. -- Dave Lowe (KD4INR) - Tampa Bay, FL Registered Linux User #375232 http://davedorm.com | http://tampascifi.us ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 22:36:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V3a2CI007796 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:36:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0V3a2CI007795 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:36:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V3ZvCI007787 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:35:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V3ZvTM013794 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:35:57 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V3Zjm2000961 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:35:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 27457 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 03:35:42 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 03:35:42 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 25D851256E8; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:30:58 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050131033058.25D851256E8@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:30:58 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.063, required 6, AWL -3.86, BAYES_60 1.59, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 January 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 3 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 5 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 8 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) ***** PRESENTATION ******************************************* * Russell Hires, previewing his newly reworked SLUG website, * * assembled using Plone and Zope. * ************************************************************** Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Student Services Bldg, Room 108 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 February 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 26 February 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Jan 30 22:37:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V3bECI007830 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:37:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0V3bEIx007829 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:37:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V3bDCI007825 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:37:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V3bDTM013884 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:37:13 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V3aqvd021003 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:36:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 27567 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2005 03:36:41 -0000 Received: from wbar14.tampa1-4-4-152-249.tampa1.dsl-verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (4.4.152.249) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 31 Jan 2005 03:36:41 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8A1811256E8; Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:31:57 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050131033157.8A1811256E8@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 22:31:57 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=8.59, required 6, BAYES_70 2.25, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 January 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) ***** PRESENTATION ******************************************* * Russell Hires, previewing his newly reworked SLUG website, * * assembled using Plone and Zope. * ************************************************************** St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 3 February 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 5 February 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 8 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) ***** PRESENTATION ******************************************* * Russell Hires, previewing his newly reworked SLUG website, * * assembled using Plone and Zope. * ************************************************************** Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Student Services Bldg, Room 108 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 February 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 26 February 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 01:00:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V603CI008826 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:00:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0V5oANw008760 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:50:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V5o9CI008756 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:50:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V5o7Te023342 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:50:08 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V5lgvd018914 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:47:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEDE1095A for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17118-01-8 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.190] (p199-227-193-190.max.acun.net [199.227.193.190]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C55A10920 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:26:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FDC673.4020804@acun.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:47:31 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.262, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Pete Theisen wrote: > > >>Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. > > > Well, what do you want to do in it that you can't? > Hi Eben! Thanks for the reply. I would like to open my .PSD Photoshop files. Doesn't seem to recognize the format, sigh. I have been going back to the dark side and saving them as JPEG as a work-around. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 01:06:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V66TCI008865 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:06:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0V66TFU008864 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:06:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V66RCI008860 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:06:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V66QTS024856 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:06:27 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V65Xvd024565 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:05:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D55211400 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17985-01-4 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.190] (p199-227-193-190.max.acun.net [199.227.193.190]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC4D1116E for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:44:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FDCAA8.6080500@acun.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:05:28 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> <1107124457.14115.4.camel@sirus> In-Reply-To: <1107124457.14115.4.camel@sirus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.262, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Logan Tygart wrote: > On Sun, 2005-01-30 at 14:58 -0500, Pete Theisen wrote: > >> Now, to get applications to do various things, or figure out what I >> have already if I have it. Looking for a desktop publisher for one >> thing, > > > Check out Scribus. http://www.scribus.org.uk/ > > >> anyone know of one? Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. > > > I have personally made 10% of the skins for XMMS found at > http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/966/ using the GIMP. Everything I > learned about the GIMP came from http://gimp-savvy.com/BOOK/ > Hi The Logan! Wow, what a GIMP link, thanks! I wouldn't have guessed Scribis as a publishing program, right on the menu above the GIMP, but there it is already installed. I get a 404 error trying to download the tutorial, though. Maybe they don't work Sunday night/Monday morning. Hmm, managed to crash SCRIBUS in 5 minutes. Bad Pete. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 01:16:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V6G2CI008939 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:16:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0V6G2hf008938 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:16:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0V6G0CI008930 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:16:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V6FwTY025662 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:16:00 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0V6F3wg008974 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:15:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41A2113DF for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18572-01-10 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.190] (p199-227-193-190.max.acun.net [199.227.193.190]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8EB10920 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:54:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FDCCE4.2050806@acun.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 01:15:00 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> <41FD817C.20100@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <41FD817C.20100@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.266, required 6, AWL -1.91, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Smoot wrote: >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Right clicking on the image in Gimp brings up all kinds of menu's. >> > > > Have you tried Open Office for desktop publishing? Hi Richard! I confess I have not. I mucked around in it as a Word Processor and as a Spreadsheet and found it inferior to WordPerfect and Excel, which I have licenses for. I have a license for M$ Publisher as well, but I am trying to ditch the Windows OS so I would like to get something that works to ride on the Linux side. Looking around in the menus, how do you set up a newsletter or booklet in Open Office? The screen I have up looks like a word processor but the tools seem to be for a database. What gives? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 08:14:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VDESCI011818 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:14:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0VDESbI011817 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:14:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VDERCI011813 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:14:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VDEQTM021174 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:14:27 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VDEJDu029628 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:14:19 -0500 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0VDEI3q010983 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:14:18 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j0VDE0St010898; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:14:00 GMT Message-Id: <200501311314.j0VDE0St010898@rs16.luxsci.com> Received: from eric@ejahn.net by LuxSci SMTP Remailer; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:14:00 +0000 From: Eric Jahn To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:12:18 -0500 References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> <1107124457.14115.4.camel@sirus> <41FDCAA8.6080500@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <41FDCAA8.6080500@acun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Lux-Comment: LuxSci remailer message ID code - 1107177240-8357410.76704191 [0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.507, required 6, AWL -1.69, BAYES_01 -1.52, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 31 January 2005 01:05 am, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hmm, managed > to crash SCRIBUS in 5 minutes. Bad Pete. Scribus does crash a lot. No biggee, just save your work a lot. -- Eric Jahn ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 12:31:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VHVLCI013490 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:31:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0VHVLYS013489 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:31:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VHVLCI013485 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:31:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VHVJXA002132 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:31:20 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f32.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.121]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VHV1CR031250 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:31:02 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:30:01 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.233 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:29:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.233] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200501311314.j0VDE0St010898@rs16.luxsci.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:29:11 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Jan 2005 17:30:01.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E8F28F0:01C507BA] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.403, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eric Jahn >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:12:18 -0500 > >On Monday 31 January 2005 01:05 am, Pete Theisen wrote: > > Hmm, managed > > to crash SCRIBUS in 5 minutes. Bad Pete. > >Scribus does crash a lot. No biggee, just save your work a lot. >-- >Eric Jahn Pete, There is another desktop publishing program called Passepartout. It may be worth trying if Scribus does not meet your needs: http://www.stacken.kth.se/project/pptout/ -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 12:55:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VHt1CI013645 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:55:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0VHt1AK013644 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:55:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VHt0CI013636 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:55:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VHsxX8003263 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:55:00 -0500 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VHsPvd008735 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:54:39 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.160] ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26967 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:40:13 -0500 Message-ID: <41FE6F86.3070806@washpat.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:48:54 -0500 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] Saint Pete Meeting Presentaion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.423, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL 0.78) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russell Hires is going to do a presentation for introducing the group to a new (proposed) SLUG website. He has Paul Foster's blessing on making this presentation/proposal to the group. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 January 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) St Petersburg Public Library, Main Branch Auditorium 3745 Ninth Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33713 727-893-7724 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 18:02:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VN2iCI015614 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:02:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j0VN2iQS015613 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:02:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j0VN2hCI015609 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:02:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VN2gX8018280 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:02:42 -0500 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j0VN2Wtn001222 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:02:32 -0500 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id f1so928275rne for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:02:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=HSb+F/xBUGjYbbTBjhVwzQhrLFUF098yjCsNSuVVCQNx60Rg5wRQL2g/umo1jBmI8/D2N80SFPGd5RU2/aFBG8VdQ1IYalbJXwP/otAI92ARyVx1SnrcO1Uu1oGY5OBrDIhEY92HK2VYLlw+D96DIMAYpbKYIFZA1+tGOexITTY= Received: by 10.38.74.1 with SMTP id w1mr94250rna; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:02:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.86.13 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:02:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3105013115024a6e4784@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:02:31 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? In-Reply-To: <41FDCCE4.2050806@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> <41FD817C.20100@tampabay.rr.com> <41FDCCE4.2050806@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.189, required 6, AWL -1.67, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I mucked around in it as a Word Processor and as a > Spreadsheet and found it inferior to WordPerfect and Excel, which I have > licenses for. In my experience, Gnumeric is the best low-to-middle-end spreadsheet application available. It kicks the stuffing out of OOCalc, StarCalc, Excel, and also compares favorably with more statistics-aligned packages like SPSS. -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 19:47:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j110lACI016305 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j110lA3L016304 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j110l9CI016300 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [24.73.112.72]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j110l9XA023740 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:09 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j110kYvd023845 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:46:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E363810D25 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04018-01-7 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.168] (p199-227-193-168.max.acun.net [199.227.193.168]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF8F10B39 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:25:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FED15A.7070405@acun.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:46:18 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.878, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sick Twist wrote: > There is another desktop publishing program called Passepartout. It may > be worth trying if Scribus does not meet your needs: > > http://www.stacken.kth.se/project/pptout/ > Hi Jonathan! Thanks, I'll check on it. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 19:48:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j110m9CI016316 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j110m9Kg016315 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j110m9CI016311 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:48:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j110m8XA023762 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:48:08 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j110lFwg028078 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B167100F8 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04103-01-3 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.168] (p199-227-193-168.max.acun.net [199.227.193.168]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FCD10C0E for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:26:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FED192.4030604@acun.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:47:14 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? References: <41FD3C5C.3030809@acun.com> <41FD817C.20100@tampabay.rr.com> <41FDCCE4.2050806@acun.com> <1a3a3e3105013115024a6e4784@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3105013115024a6e4784@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.931, required 6, AWL -1.15, BAYES_20 -1.43, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >>I mucked around in it as a Word Processor and as a >>Spreadsheet and found it inferior to WordPerfect and Excel, which I have >>licenses for. > > > In my experience, Gnumeric is the best low-to-middle-end spreadsheet > application available. It kicks the stuffing out of OOCalc, StarCalc, > Excel, and also compares favorably with more statistics-aligned > packages like SPSS. > Hi Levi! Thanks for the tip, I may even have that on the box. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 19:57:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j110vICI016399 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j110vIhH016398 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j110vHCI016394 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j110vCX8024223 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:57:17 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j110ujwg029290 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:56:45 -0500 Received: from rufus (47-118.8-67.tampabay.rr.com [67.8.118.47]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j110uhNr018381 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:56:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200502010056.j110uhNr018381@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:58:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <41FDC673.4020804@acun.com> Thread-index: AcUHW40QZV6ugexZTNqWYoPAkh7IWQAnPq2A X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.645, required 6, AWL -1.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete >>I have been going back to the dark side and saving them as JPEG as a work-around You might want to try TIFF (.tif) files instead. JPEG uses a lossy compression that decreases image quality _every_ time you save. TIFF files are much larger, but quality remains the same no matter how many times you save it. Do put the time and effort into Scribus. It's pretty good. And Open Office can do some pretty good things that MS Office cannot. Example: Excel can read Access files or SQL Server data, but not write to them without programming. Open Office calc can open, create, and write MySQL or darn near any ODBC database. That's pretty impressive. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 12:48 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Pete Theisen wrote: > > >>Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. > > > Well, what do you want to do in it that you can't? > Hi Eben! Thanks for the reply. I would like to open my .PSD Photoshop files. Doesn't seem to recognize the format, sigh. I have been going back to the dark side and saving them as JPEG as a work-around. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 20:09:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j1119ACI016484 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j1119AFJ016483 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j1119ACI016479 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j11199X8024798 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:09 -0500 Received: from mail.acun.com (mail.acun.com [199.227.152.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j11193m2011290 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:09:03 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA47A100ED for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.acun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05574-01-9 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [199.227.193.168] (p199-227-193-168.max.acun.net [199.227.193.168]) by mail.acun.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C523E1025D for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:48:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41FED6A8.1080103@acun.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:08:56 -0500 From: Pete Theisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040819 Debian/1.7.2-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? References: <200502010056.j110uhNr018381@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200502010056.j110uhNr018381@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at acun.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.369, required 6, AWL -2.01, BAYES_44 -0.00, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: > Pete >>I have been going back to the dark side and saving them as JPEG as a > work-around > > You might want to try TIFF (.tif) files instead. JPEG uses a lossy > compression that decreases image quality _every_ time you save. TIFF files > are much larger, but quality remains the same no matter how many times you > save it. > > Do put the time and effort into Scribus. It's pretty good. And Open Office > can do some pretty good things that MS Office cannot. Example: Excel can > read Access files or SQL Server data, but not write to them without > programming. Open Office calc can open, create, and write MySQL or darn > near any ODBC database. That's pretty impressive. > Hi Ken! Write MySQL. That is nice to know. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 21:41:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j112fnCI017152 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:41:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j112fnKf017151 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:41:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j112fmCI017147 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:41:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j112fmXA029683 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:41:48 -0500 Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.240]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j112fbCR024397 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:41:38 -0500 Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id q44so14502cwc for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:41:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rXbEFUmS+uo7ic6ZYxam0NNSWFjmTCRx9M0CZpMfbfILbpqfvKEUAaQEqyYRcWqnnQA+SwQIhg0AJq+0W3z2pZ6OEhwSKSlOTjmcuk0LHYEa+81MVLGNYgxcLNROZYFPKNvHOePX3M+Qc+M1ovhD7U4r9CHzfkSqWUTH4+jWVLw= Received: by 10.11.99.57 with SMTP id w57mr521695cwb; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.94.60 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:41:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd0501311841737dce48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:41:37 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] hardware question - wah-wah/volume pedal to plug into serial port? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.072, required 6, AWL 0.83, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm a software guy. Unfortunately, I don't have a great head for hardware / electronics yet. I wanted to rig some kind of wah-wah/volume pedal type device to a computer input (non-audio), like a serial or USB port for example. Something that I could vary the intensity of a signal and read the change or value programatically. Does anyone have any experience with anything like this? Apart from the Serial-HOWTO which I am in the process of reading, does anyone have any suggestions or recommended reading? I don't have any pedal or anything picked out yet... cheap is good :) Thanks, ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Jan 31 23:00:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j11403CI017706 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:00:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) id j113xJx7017683 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:59:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-5.1) with ESMTP id j113xICI017679 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:59:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [24.73.112.71]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j113xIX8002071 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:59:18 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id j113wYwg025422 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:58:34 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j113wWkw000083 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:58:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:58:36 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MEPIS is finally working? In-Reply-To: <41FDC673.4020804@acun.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King wrote: > > On Sun, 30 Jan 2005, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > > > >>Trying to figure out the GIMP for another. > > > > Well, what do you want to do in it that you can't? > > Thanks for the reply. I would like to open my .PSD Photoshop files. > Doesn't seem to recognize the format, sigh. I have been going back to > the dark side and saving them as JPEG as a work-around. .PSD is Photoshop's own, proprietary format. I don't expect it to be supported by non-Adobe apps (or those whose developers have paid Adobe's bribe^Wlicensing fee. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.