From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 1 00:26:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j414Q9Si021465 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 00:26:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j414Q9ba021464 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 May 2005 00:26:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j414Q8GF021460 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 00:26:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j414Q3SY000797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 00:26:07 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j414Pn6J013934 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 00:25:49 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j414Pkpp021097 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 00:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03c101c54e05$d8b300e0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <4273FB4D.4050202@tampabay.rr.com> <200504302353.53518.steve@szmidt.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away bonanza Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 00:25:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.663, required 6, AWL -0.66, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Saturday 30 April 2005 17:40, Russ Wright wrote: > > > The wife says I'm going if I do not get rid of this extra hardware! SO > > please help save my marriage! :-) > > > Man, where are your priorities!? : ) > > -- > > Steve Szmidt Ever hear this one? The Alaska farmer sent in a want ad to the Galena Gazette, "Wanted; Wife with pickup truck. Send picture of truck." - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 1 01:18:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415ISvD021818 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:18:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j415ISTX021817 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:18:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415IRup021806 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:18:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415IKsI002925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:18:26 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415I4fR006319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:18:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 32429 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 05:15:39 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 05:15:39 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03E6E125338; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net From: paulf@quillandmouse.com Subject: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies Message-Id: <20050501050101.03E6E125338@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.145, required 6, AWL -1.31, BAYES_50 0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net MAILING LIST POLICIES ===================== Revised 2002-10-08 R2.0 ----------------------------------------------------- CONTENT WE ACCEPT (IN ORDER OF DECREASING BANDWIDTH): ----------------------------------------------------- 1) Technical (Linux or computer-related) questions and answers. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 1 01:25:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415Pbqa021919 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:25:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j415PbCC021918 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:25:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415PatO021914 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:25:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415PYVb003273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:25:35 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f4.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.93]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j415PHsT028944 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 01:25:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:25:18 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 May 2005 05:25:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4273FB4D.4050202@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Hardware give away bonanza Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 01:25:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2005 05:25:18.0831 (UTC) FILETIME=[29D5BFF0:01C54E0E] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.021, required 6, AWL -2.18, BAYES_44 -0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Russ Wright >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Hardware give away bonanza >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:40:29 -0400 > >Okay gents >If it is not appropriate to post this I apologize in advance. I have much >hardware to give away. Please contact me off-list if you would like any of >this. ALL of the equipment is in somewhat working order, and is first >email first served. > >I have FOUR HP Vectra VE >Pentium 133MHZ desktop PC's >most have 32 MB of ram, 1 gb HDD, 1 floppy, Kybd and mouse > >ONE Compaq P233 Desktop >32 MB ram, kybd & mouse >floppy is broken but I have a spare > >ONE Generic P133 >32 MB of Ram, floppy, 8x cd-rom 1gb hdd > >ONE Ggeneric K6/2-450 PC >wacky behavior. > >4 SVGA monitors of different types >all working but used > >The wife says I'm going if I do not get rid of this extra hardware! SO >please help save my marriage! :-) > >regards >Russ I am willing to give the Compaq P233 a good home if you still have it. I'd hate to see her end up on the streets ;) -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 1 02:29:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j416T2xH022342 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:29:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j416T23V022341 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:29:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j416SuJn022333 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:28:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j416Stvc005509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:28:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j416SkP9013466 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:28:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.100] (653258hfc103.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.58.103]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j416Shb6019429 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 02:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [SLUG] St. Pete meeting, and a distinct lack of meeting reminders? From: Jim Lange To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 02:28:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1114928918.4627.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net FYI, The new public library at St. Petersburg College 5th Ave N & 66 Street is suppose to open May 15. It looks like its gonna be a nice place. Jim > > You are correct. As a friendly reminder to all the St. Petersburg meeting > will *not* be in the library this month but at Panera Bread: > > 7-9pm, 25 April 2005 > 1908 4th Street North > St. Petersburg, FL 33704 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 1 14:36:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j41Ia9Uv027195 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:36:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j41Ia9qa027194 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:36:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j41Ia9uZ027190 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:36:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j41Ia8PZ003127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:36:09 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j41IZsCG017070 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:35:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (213-246.115-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.115.246.213]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j41IZppp028683 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42752181.2020305@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 14:35:45 -0400 From: Russ Wright User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away bonanza References: <4273FB4D.4050202@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <4273FB4D.4050202@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.691, required 6, AWL -2.75, BAYES_40 -0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Okay looks like it is all gone. Thanks folks! Regards Russ Russ Wright wrote: > Okay gents > If it is not appropriate to post this I apologize in advance. I have > much hardware to give away. Please contact me off-list if you would > like any of this. ALL of the equipment is in somewhat working order, > and is first email first served. > > I have FOUR HP Vectra VE > Pentium 133MHZ desktop PC's > most have 32 MB of ram, 1 gb HDD, 1 floppy, Kybd and mouse > > ONE Compaq P233 Desktop > 32 MB ram, kybd & mouse > floppy is broken but I have a spare > > ONE Generic P133 > 32 MB of Ram, floppy, 8x cd-rom 1gb hdd > > ONE Ggeneric K6/2-450 PC > wacky behavior. > > 4 SVGA monitors of different types > all working but used > > The wife says I'm going if I do not get rid of this extra hardware! SO > please help save my marriage! :-) > > regards > Russ > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 00:01:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4241t6S030930 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 00:01:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4241tCS030929 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 00:01:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4241sT0030925 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 00:01:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4241sfh022930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 00:01:54 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4241luN021790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 00:01:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 21252 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 04:00:37 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 04:00:37 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F04FF12533B; Sun, 1 May 2005 23:45:26 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050502034526.F04FF12533B@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 23:45:26 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.95, required 6, AWL 0.95, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 5 May 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 7 May 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 10 May 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 May 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 08:49:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Cnvg9002104 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:49:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42Cnv6Y002103 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:49:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42CnvWQ002099 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:49:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42CnvKN011987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:49:57 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j42CnhKC011959 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 08:49:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 62848 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2005 12:49:42 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. Clear:. Processed in 0.05488 secs); 02 May 2005 12:49:42 -0000 Received: from perm68-135.ij.net (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (209.216.68.135) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 2 May 2005 12:49:42 -0000 Message-ID: <427621E5.6060408@ij.net> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 08:49:41 -0400 From: paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] MAC Laptops?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.936, required 6, AWL -1.06, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I started using Photoshop to edit my pics and the usual BS with Windblows became apparent very quickly, all of the above. Can anyone provide me with a link to a beginners guide to the MAC? I used MAC fifteen years ago but switched to Unix and have never looked back. Since I plan to do some serious work in Photoshop and I can't stand Mickey$oft, perhaps MAC is the way to go. If only they would port Photoshop to Linux or Unix I could have the best of both worlds. Any and all help is appreciated. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 09:09:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42D93Ta002227 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:09:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42D93Se002226 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:09:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42D93oP002222 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:09:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42D8hAa012639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:09:03 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (225-18.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.202.18.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42D8Num013974 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:08:24 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id 7E37821153E; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.27] (wifi.sigtom.com [192.168.1.27]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A70210DC9 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4276263A.6010503@sigtom.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:08:10 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MAC Laptops?? References: <427621E5.6060408@ij.net> In-Reply-To: <427621E5.6060408@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.458, required 6, AWL -1.20, BAYES_30 -0.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net paddy wrote: > I started using Photoshop to edit my pics and the usual BS with > Windblows became apparent very quickly, all of the above. > > Can anyone provide me with a link to a beginners guide to the MAC? I > used MAC fifteen years ago but switched to Unix and have never looked > back. Since I plan to do some serious work in Photoshop and I can't > stand Mickey$oft, perhaps MAC is the way to go. If only they would port > Photoshop to Linux or Unix I could have the best of both worlds. > > Any and all help is appreciated. > > Paddy Well, its not Photoshop, buts its pretty damn close. Seen this yet? http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=249 Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 09:12:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42DC0pv002250 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:12:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42DC0Ou002249 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:12:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42DBxs8002245 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:11:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42DBxBm012762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:11:59 -0400 Received: from pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42DBhkl014227 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:11:43 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-a065d01.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DSai6-00014h-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:11:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT - MAC Laptops?? From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <427621E5.6060408@ij.net> References: <427621E5.6060408@ij.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-6AahdvhNuIZsy2ggEuq1" Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:10:26 -0400 Message-Id: <1115039426.18244.13.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.33, required 6, AWL -1.50, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-6AahdvhNuIZsy2ggEuq1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Mac interface has changed since OS X hit. In some ways, it's still the same, as you go to the document and double click on it and it picks the app and launches. Like normal. Not sure if Photoshop has a Mac OS X version or not, but any OS 9 app runs in OS X without any real problem.=20 If you like, you can always run Fink...fink is basically a debian-under-glass environment for Mac OS X. That way you can run X and X-apps, too.=20 Also, Mac OS X is Unix. It's based on a BSD kernel...so you can have the best of both worlds.=20 Actually, you can have the best of three worlds by installing Linux (debian/ubuntu, or SUSE or YellowDog), and then running Mac-on-Linux, which allows you to run Linux, and Mac OS X on your machine all at once! It's a cool thing that you can show off to people...it's kinda like running VirtualPC without the Virtual part, as the OS of Linux/Mac OS X/OS 9 all can run on the same processor without being virtualized. And if you're into 4 OS's at once, you could probably install Virtual PC and run Windows, too.=20 Russell On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 08:49 -0400, paddy wrote: > I started using Photoshop to edit my pics and the usual BS with=20 > Windblows became apparent very quickly, all of the above. >=20 > Can anyone provide me with a link to a beginners guide to the MAC? I=20 > used MAC fifteen years ago but switched to Unix and have never looked=20 > back. Since I plan to do some serious work in Photoshop and I can't=20 > stand Mickey$oft, perhaps MAC is the way to go. If only they would port=20 > Photoshop to Linux or Unix I could have the best of both worlds. >=20 > Any and all help is appreciated. >=20 > Paddy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 09:52:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Dq88S002546 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:52:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42Dq8Ik002545 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:52:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Dq8xH002541 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:52:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Dq7w9013951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:52:08 -0400 Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Dq1sc016917 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:52:01 -0400 Received: from [24.144.115.84] (helo=BPC) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DSbL7-0001eU-2J for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:52:01 -0400 Message-ID: <008901c54f1e$21e86a20$6401a8c0@BPC> From: "xcalibre" To: References: <427621E5.6060408@ij.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] MAC Laptops?? Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:52:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4df27197916332981c9700099f8233902a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.115.84 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.658, required 6, AWL -1.14, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You do realize In addition to The Gimp, you also can use Codeweavers to run Photoshop in Linux right? Bill P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "paddy" To: "Suncoast Linux Users Group" Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: [SLUG] MAC Laptops?? >I started using Photoshop to edit my pics and the usual BS with Windblows >became apparent very quickly, all of the above. > > Can anyone provide me with a link to a beginners guide to the MAC? I > used MAC fifteen years ago but switched to Unix and have never looked > back. Since I plan to do some serious work in Photoshop and I can't stand > Mickey$oft, perhaps MAC is the way to go. If only they would port > Photoshop to Linux or Unix I could have the best of both worlds. > > Any and all help is appreciated. > > Paddy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 12:29:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42GTenK003617 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:29:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42GTetT003616 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:29:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42GTdWs003612 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:29:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42GTdll019361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:29:39 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42GTXTd015032 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:29:33 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5811A247E4 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] MAC Laptops?? From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <008901c54f1e$21e86a20$6401a8c0@BPC> References: <427621E5.6060408@ij.net> <008901c54f1e$21e86a20$6401a8c0@BPC> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:29:27 -0400 Message-Id: <1115051367.24173.7.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2005-05-02 at 09:52 -0400, xcalibre wrote: > You do realize In addition to The Gimp, you also can use Codeweavers to run > Photoshop in Linux right? > Bill P. > > We've actually done this at the office through straight wine. For us it's about 95% bug free. However, Photoshop CS (the latest) had multiple errors and would not install. We had to use Photoshop 7. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 16:45:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Kj8H3005261 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:45:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42Kj81W005260 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:45:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Kj8sm005256 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:45:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Kj7mt027746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:45:08 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (pppoe-66-112-67-219.rb2.lax.centurytel.net [66.112.67.219] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Kii2M023163 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:44:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73FB1498F4 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:44:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42769127.7060804@glennmeyer.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:44:23 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Wireless Card Recommendation needed please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.258, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I need a recommendation for a wireless card, please. Here is what I'm looking for.... PCMCIA 802.11b/g Must have an external antenna connection option Needs to work with both Kismet and Airsnort I'm using Slackware 10.1 Reading, it seems like an Orinoco is about the only option but that requires patches and special configuration - so I'm wondering what card does work and doesn't require the patching? Any experience or suggestions? Thank you! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 16:50:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42KokCl005300 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:50:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42KokI8005299 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:50:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42KokfB005295 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:50:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Kok2F027925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:50:46 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (pppoe-66-112-67-219.rb2.lax.centurytel.net [66.112.67.219] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42KoQvM023543 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:50:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDEE1498F1 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:50:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4276927D.6070602@glennmeyer.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:50:05 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] PCMCIA Wireless card recommendations needed. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.26, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_10 -0.91, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, I didn't read far enough. I found the following on the next page.... AirSnort 0.2.6 Requirements AirSnort runs under Windows or Linux, and requires that your wireless nic be capable of rf monitor mode, and that it pass monitor mode packets up via the PF_PACKET interface. Cards known to do this are: * Cisco Aironet * Prism2 based cards using wlan-ng drivers or Host-AP drivers * Orinoco cards and clones using patched orinoco_cs drivers * Orinoc cards using the latest Orinoco drivers >= 0.15 with built in monitor mode support * And many others. * *Windows:* Any(?) card supported by Airopeek. For Linux users, the best resources for finding out if your card can do monitor mode and what drivers you will need are those maintained at the Kismet site. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 16:55:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Ktj89005337 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:55:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42KtjZB005336 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:55:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42KtjWM005332 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:55:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42KtiAu028056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:55:45 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42KtT3L023801 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:55:30 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so2129166nzn for ; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:55:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V1kAbLG6xGAPZqQNBdAljCFnjgmQYHOJDlpTQCfr19uY9zoCO39cNU3Lbi4Z+yVWwqzYTvaC0iOUY7mUPKTDnFLY/UOPQKT4LO1SkOF8E5yVs+2R366LzsLbCJakPTQMHNgAOxpxoVN2uF21bOrL9uAF2pMFDRJnRbUuifrPGTM= Received: by 10.36.12.2 with SMTP id 2mr590429nzl; Mon, 02 May 2005 13:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.3.8 with HTTP; Mon, 2 May 2005 13:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:55:28 -0400 From: David Meyer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Card Recommendation needed please In-Reply-To: <42769127.7060804@glennmeyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <42769127.7060804@glennmeyer.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 6, AWL 1.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j42KtjWM005333 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If configuration isn't desired, DO_NOT get the Cisco Aironet...I still can't get Kismet to work with it. On 5/2/05, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I need a recommendation for a wireless card, please. Here is what I'm > looking for.... > > PCMCIA 802.11b/g > Must have an external antenna connection option > Needs to work with both Kismet and Airsnort > I'm using Slackware 10.1 > > Reading, it seems like an Orinoco is about the only option but that > requires patches and special configuration - so I'm wondering what card > does work and doesn't require the patching? > > Any experience or suggestions? > Thank you! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 17:28:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42LS8ce005593 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:28:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42LS82J005592 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:28:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42LS8sD005588 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:28:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42LS7jK029411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:28:08 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (pppoe-66-112-67-219.rb2.lax.centurytel.net [66.112.67.219] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42LRqLg021863 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 17:27:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86CC1498F4 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 16:27:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42769B43.1000703@glennmeyer.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 16:27:31 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Card Recommendation needed please References: <42769127.7060804@glennmeyer.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.254, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net David Meyer wrote: >If configuration isn't desired, DO_NOT get the Cisco Aironet...I still >can't get Kismet to work with it. > >On 5/2/05, Glenn Meyer wrote: > > >>I need a recommendation for a wireless card, please. Here is what I'm >>looking for.... >> >>PCMCIA 802.11b/g >>Must have an external antenna connection option >>Needs to work with both Kismet and Airsnort >>I'm using Slackware 10.1 >> >>Reading, it seems like an Orinoco is about the only option but that >>requires patches and special configuration - so I'm wondering what card >>does work and doesn't require the patching? >> >>Any experience or suggestions? >>Thank you! >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Thank you, this kind of help is exactly what I need. It's not that I don't want to do the config, I'm just finding it very frustrating on this particular project/laptop & card combination/applications, etc. Too many variables - kernel recompile + card drivers + pcmcia_cs drivers + wireless tools + apps. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 18:01:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42M1hpS005789 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:01:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42M1gdh005788 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:01:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42M1gNq005784 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:01:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42M1bqm030987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:01:42 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (225-18.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.202.18.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42M1Ujq011291 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:01:30 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id EDB8E21153E; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.25] (thor.sigtom.com [192.168.1.25]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEF5211214 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4276A335.3050805@sigtom.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:01:25 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Card Recommendation needed please References: <42769127.7060804@glennmeyer.com> <42769B43.1000703@glennmeyer.com> In-Reply-To: <42769B43.1000703@glennmeyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.878, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Glenn Meyer wrote: > David Meyer wrote: > >> On 5/2/05, Glenn Meyer wrote: >> >> >>> I need a recommendation for a wireless card, please. Here is what I'm >>> looking for.... >>> >>> PCMCIA 802.11b/g >>> Must have an external antenna connection option >>> Needs to work with both Kismet and Airsnort >>> I'm using Slackware 10.1 >>> >>> Reading, it seems like an Orinoco is about the only option but that >>> requires patches and special configuration - so I'm wondering what card >>> does work and doesn't require the patching? >>> >>> Any experience or suggestions? >>> Thank you! >> >> If configuration isn't desired, DO_NOT get the Cisco Aironet...I still >> can't get Kismet to work with it. >> >> >> > Thank you, this kind of help is exactly what I need. > It's not that I don't want to do the config, I'm just finding it very > frustrating on this particular project/laptop & card > combination/applications, etc. Too many variables - kernel recompile + > card drivers + pcmcia_cs drivers + wireless tools + apps. I use the proxim orinoco gold 11 b/g PC Card along with the Mad Wifi Atheros Drivers from atrpms on FC3, no problems. Got it from fab-corp.com up near New Port Richey. If you tell them your using it for kismet/war driving, they will give you a discount. Great guys up there, can pick anything they have in stock same day (if you want to, can always have it shipped), and they take PayPal. Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 18:20:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42MKCpY005952 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:20:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42MKClF005951 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:20:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42MKBLG005947 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:20:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42MK6L4031599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:20:11 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (225-18.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.202.18.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42MK0ik032020 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:20:00 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id DFB8121153E; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.25] (thor.sigtom.com [192.168.1.25]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F54E2111B6 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4276A788.5050400@sigtom.com> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:19:52 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Card Recommendation needed please References: <42769127.7060804@glennmeyer.com> <42769B43.1000703@glennmeyer.com> <4276A335.3050805@sigtom.com> In-Reply-To: <4276A335.3050805@sigtom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.525, required 6, AWL 0.35, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote: > Glenn Meyer wrote: > >> David Meyer wrote: >> >>> On 5/2/05, Glenn Meyer wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I need a recommendation for a wireless card, please. Here is what I'm >>>> looking for.... >>>> >>>> PCMCIA 802.11b/g >>>> Must have an external antenna connection option >>>> Needs to work with both Kismet and Airsnort >>>> I'm using Slackware 10.1 >>>> >>>> Reading, it seems like an Orinoco is about the only option but that >>>> requires patches and special configuration - so I'm wondering what card >>>> does work and doesn't require the patching? >>>> >>>> Any experience or suggestions? >>>> Thank you! > > >> > >>> If configuration isn't desired, DO_NOT get the Cisco Aironet...I still >>> can't get Kismet to work with it. >>> >>> >>> >> Thank you, this kind of help is exactly what I need. >> It's not that I don't want to do the config, I'm just finding it very >> frustrating on this particular project/laptop & card >> combination/applications, etc. Too many variables - kernel recompile >> + card drivers + pcmcia_cs drivers + wireless tools + apps. > > > > > I use the proxim orinoco gold 11 b/g PC Card along with the Mad Wifi > Atheros Drivers from atrpms on FC3, no problems. Got it from > fab-corp.com up near New Port Richey. If you tell them your using it > for kismet/war driving, they will give you a discount. Great guys up > there, can pick anything they have in stock same day (if you want to, > can always have it shipped), and they take PayPal. > > Tom Let me elaborate some actually, realized it wasnt as informative as it couldve been. I didnt/dont have to do anything special, at least on FC, to get these drivers working or to upgrade them when I install a new kernel. Just installed the correct drivers, kernel modules, modprobed and set up thru system-config-network (RH GUI to set up network interfaces). I cant say that you wont need to do any patching to get it working in Slack...but thats about all Ill say as I dont want to start any distro wars hehe. I did/do compile new vs of the drivers, so I do remember getting it all up and running without too much of a hassle and wasnt using any pkgs, so I would assume it would be that nice/easy on slack. I just wanted to clarify as I saw that you already have seen this card any may have been discouraged by what youve heard/seen/read. FWIW, I also used pkgs to install and use Kismet and Airsnort...and a few other fun tools as well, and it all works well with my PCMCIA orinoco card. Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 2 18:39:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42MdwqX006063 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:39:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j42MdwkX006062 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:39:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42MdvAq006058 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:39:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Mdv0W032260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:39:57 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j42Mdkmv013965 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 18:39:46 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so2160812nzn for ; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:39:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rLguzyrM7vH6Z+DhXrIfnrWGIu4uMjmn/5cLp/JaGHFDNDE+PnJx2h841xyVXZgGzVQOvq9RINXRkVvSiPyCvPBgVQe3uJjzVMEi6QVZ3uWxIxaLeEO3wyaQek3YtGTkGw65sebeYT/ilp/yXHFijc7Vh4ANK//F97bAoVgmTTw= Received: by 10.36.72.20 with SMTP id u20mr604081nza; Mon, 02 May 2005 15:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.8.5 with HTTP; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:39:46 -0400 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Card Recommendation needed please In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <42769127.7060804@glennmeyer.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.232, required 6, AWL 1.67, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j42MdvAq006059 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/2/05, David Meyer wrote: > If configuration isn't desired, DO_NOT get the Cisco Aironet...I still > can't get Kismet to work with it. Second that. it WORKS fine without ndiswrapper, but doesn't play well with Kismet or Airsnort. So cross any Aironet chipset (including my Xircom) off the short list. -- Dave Lowe http://davedorm.com Tampa, FL USS MacArthur / Genesis Fleet / UFPGI ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 08:41:23 2005 Received: from azhg2370.com (de1140.alshamil.net.ae [217.165.50.140] (may be forged)) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j43CfJZ7011695 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:41:22 -0400 Message-Id: <200505031241.j43CfJZ7011695@slug-list-00.nks.net> From: "Mr. Salem Al Shamsi" Reply-To: salemshamsi@excite.com Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:41:21 +0400 Subject: DEAR FRIEND, X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j43CfuZ7011696 From: Mr. Salem Al Shamsi MANAGER National Bank of Dubai Ajman Branch Shaikh Humaid Street U.A.E Email: salemshamsi@excite.com Dear Friend, I am pleased to get across to you for a very urgent and profitable business proposal, I Got your e-mail address in internet while browsing after I decided to contact you and ask for your assistance in this urgent matter,requiring trust and confidentiality, I am Mr. Salem Al Shamsi, the branch manager, National Bank of Dubai (NBD)Ajman branch UNITTED ARAB EMIRATES I am writing this letter to ask for your support and co-operation to carry out this business opportunity in my department. On June 6, 1999, an America Oil consultant/contractor with Petroleum Corporation, Mr.David Ameeraly, made a numbered time (fixed) deposit for twelve calendar months, valued at US$16,500,000.00(sixteen Million Five Hundred Thousand Dollars )in my branch upon maturity. I sent a routine notification to his forwarding address but got no reply. After a month, we sent a reminder and finally we discovered from his contract employers, the Petroleum Corporation that Mr.David Ameeraly, died in the plane crash On October 31, 1999, (an Egyptair Boeing 767 Flight 990) with other passengers on board as you can confirm it yourself via the website below: On further investigation, I found out that he died without making a WILL and attempts to trace his next of kin were fruitless. I therefore made further investigation and discovered that Mr.David Ameeraly. did not declare any next of kin or relations in all his official documents, including his bank deposit paperwork in my bank. This sum of US$16,500,000.00 and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will ever come forward to claim it According to UNITTED ARAB EMIRATES LAW, at the expiration of (seven) years, the money will revert to the ownership of the UNITTED ARAB EMIRATES Government if nobody applies to claim the fund. my proposal is that I will like you to stand as the next of kin to Mr.David Ameeraly, so that the fruit of this old man's labor will not get into the hands of some corrupt Government officials. This is simple, I will like you to provide immediately your full name and address so that i can forward to you the contact of our bank Attorney for the prepare the necessary documents and affidavits which will put you in place as the next of kin. Any bank account in any part of the world which you will provide will then facilitate the transfer of this money to you as the beneficiary/next of kin. The money will be paid into your account for us to share in ratio of 60% for me and 30% for you and 10 % will be set aside for expenses incured during the business . There is no risk at all; the paperwork for this transaction will be done by the attorney and my position as the Branch Manager guarantees the successful execution of this transaction. If you are interested, please reply immediately via the private email address below, upon your responses, I shall provide you with more details and relevant documents that will help you understand the transaction. Please observe utmost confidentiality and be rest assured that this transaction would be most profitable for both of us because I shall require your assistance to invest my share in your country. Please upon the receipt of this mail message, send to me the following to enable me start the processing the transfer, 1.Your Full Name. 2.Your House Address. 3.Your Phone Number and Fax, Thank You And God Bless You. Sincerely Mr. Salem Al Shamsi MANAGER: National Bank of Dubai Ajman Branch Shaikh Humaid Street U.A.E Email: salemshamsi@excite.com From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 14:13:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43IDV18013772 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:13:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j43IDVXX013771 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:13:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43IDVpt013767 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:13:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43IDQgI017976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:13:31 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (pppoe-66-112-67-219.rb2.lax.centurytel.net [66.112.67.219] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43IDAc7000436 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 14:13:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DD71498F1 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 13:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4277BF1B.1020407@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:12:43 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] iptables Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.518, required 6, AWL -0.64, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I stumbling over syntax and need a little help please. This is not on a network firewall, but only to protect the local machine. #!/bin/bash # flush the filter table clean /usr/sbin/iptables -F # my local network here at the house is a 192.168.10.0/24 network, so I added a /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT above the "block everything" lines below to accept everything from that range - but I want to instead open only port 22 #This works and opens me to everything on my home network #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT I want to instead open just tcp port 22 for ssh but I'm stumbling over the --dport 22 part. /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --port 22 -j ACCEPT # block everyting coming in to my machine, all interfaces # if you uncomment the #'s, it will log the blocks too #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j LOG /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j DROP #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j LOG /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j DROP #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j LOG /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j DROP #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j LOG /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j DROP Thank you for your help! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 15:52:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43Jq959014432 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:52:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j43Jq9h2014431 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43Jq9n4014427 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43Jq8Fa022229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:52:09 -0400 Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43Jq2dp026552 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:52:02 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DT3R3-00059Q-ON for slug@nks.net; Tue, 03 May 2005 15:52:01 -0400 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B6C5170C9DF for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55492.66.15.89.64.1115150248.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <4277BF1B.1020407@glennmeyer.com> References: <4277BF1B.1020407@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac06b48d29827cfba2076b7313eb306bc73b3ad50ba83912e23350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.494, required 6, AWL -0.42, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j43Jq9n4014428 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'll take a stab at this... If you really want to block everything, you can just set the POLICY for the INPUT chain to DROP, so you wouldn't need all those DROP targets. To only open up the SSH port into your machine, remove the line that allows all access from the loal subnet, and add this line: /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT If the POLICY of the INPUT chain is drop, and this is the only rule in the INPUT chain, then the only thing this will allow in is SSH traffic from your from your local subnet. I haven't tested this, but hopefully it helps.. Doug Glenn Meyer said: > I stumbling over syntax and need a little help please. This is not on a > network firewall, but only to protect the local machine. > > #!/bin/bash > # flush the filter table clean > /usr/sbin/iptables -F > > # my local network here at the house is a 192.168.10.0/24 network, so I > added a /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT above the > "block everything" lines below to accept everything from that range - > but I want to instead open only port 22 > > #This works and opens me to everything on my home network > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT > > I want to instead open just tcp port 22 for ssh but I'm stumbling over > the --dport 22 part. > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --port 22 -j ACCEPT > > # block everyting coming in to my machine, all interfaces > # if you uncomment the #'s, it will log the blocks too > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j DROP > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j DROP > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j DROP > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j DROP > > > Thank you for your help! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 17:01:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43L14A0014872 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:01:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j43L14ug014871 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:01:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43L1301014867 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:01:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43L13Yi024289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:01:03 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43L0jnc015915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 17:00:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 22595 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 21:00:45 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 21:00:41 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BF84C125339; Tue, 3 May 2005 16:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:59:15 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Message-ID: <20050503205915.GN9554@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <4277BF1B.1020407@glennmeyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4277BF1B.1020407@glennmeyer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.784, required 6, AWL 1.12, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 01:12:43PM -0500, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I stumbling over syntax and need a little help please. This is not on a > network firewall, but only to protect the local machine. > > #!/bin/bash > # flush the filter table clean > /usr/sbin/iptables -F > > # my local network here at the house is a 192.168.10.0/24 network, so I > added a /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT above the > "block everything" lines below to accept everything from that range - > but I want to instead open only port 22 > > #This works and opens me to everything on my home network > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT > > I want to instead open just tcp port 22 for ssh but I'm stumbling over > the --dport 22 part. > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --port 22 -j ACCEPT I'm absolutely not an expert on this, but... Don't know why you can't say: iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT > > # block everyting coming in to my machine, all interfaces > # if you uncomment the #'s, it will log the blocks too > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j DROP You don't really need the -s and -d parameters above, since without them, iptables will assume all sources and destinations. The rest of this is superfluous. You could set a policy on the chain, as indicated by someone else, or simply say: iptables -A INPUT -j DROP > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j DROP > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j DROP > #/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j LOG > /usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j DROP > > > Thank you for your help! You're welcome, if it helps. Otherwise, I was never here. ;-} Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 19:50:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43NogQT015999 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:50:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j43Nog6c015998 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:50:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43NofAJ015994 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:50:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43Nofq3029834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:50:41 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j43NoX8W003929 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:50:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.5.21] (2416441hfc70.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.164.41.70]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j43NoVGK026138 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4278B721.2050705@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 07:50:57 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables References: <4277BF1B.1020407@glennmeyer.com> <20050503205915.GN9554@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050503205915.GN9554@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.648, required 6, AWL 0.28, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 3.33, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 01:12:43PM -0500, Glenn Meyer wrote: > > > >>I stumbling over syntax and need a little help please. This is not on a >>network firewall, but only to protect the local machine. >> >>#!/bin/bash >># flush the filter table clean >>/usr/sbin/iptables -F >> >># my local network here at the house is a 192.168.10.0/24 network, so I >>added a /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT above the >>"block everything" lines below to accept everything from that range - >>but I want to instead open only port 22 >> >>#This works and opens me to everything on my home network >>#/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -j ACCEPT >> >>I want to instead open just tcp port 22 for ssh but I'm stumbling over >>the --dport 22 part. >>/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --port 22 -j ACCEPT >> >> > >I'm absolutely not an expert on this, but... > >Don't know why you can't say: > >iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT > > > >># block everyting coming in to my machine, all interfaces >># if you uncomment the #'s, it will log the blocks too >>#/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j LOG >>/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -m state --state NEW -j DROP >> >> > >You don't really need the -s and -d parameters above, since without >them, iptables will assume all sources and destinations. > >The rest of this is superfluous. You could set a policy on the chain, as >indicated by someone else, or simply say: > >iptables -A INPUT -j DROP > > > >>#/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j LOG >>/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL NONE -j DROP >>#/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j LOG >>/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --tcp-flags ALL FIN,URG,PSH -j DROP >>#/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j LOG >>/usr/sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type any -j DROP >> >> >>Thank you for your help! >> >> > >You're welcome, if it helps. Otherwise, I was never here. ;-} > > IIRC, you also need to set the INPUT chain to allow your 'return' packets from any outgoing traffic (e.g. web browsing). Otherwise, won't all response packets get dropped? --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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Please I await your prompt reply KOMANE EDULA ___________________________________________________________________________ jesuspower.net From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 22:40:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442egm1017156 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:40:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j442egY0017154 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:40:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442egR6017150 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:40:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442efBP003756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:40:42 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (pppoe-66-112-67-219.rb2.lax.centurytel.net [66.112.67.219] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442eWfp019264 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:40:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DEA1498F8 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 21:40:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42783605.4090903@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:40:05 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] iptables Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.262, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I don't know why I can't use that either. It looks like it should work, but here's the error I get.... root@m700l:~# iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT iptables v1.2.11: Unknown arg `--dport' Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. Then I tried spelling it differently (with an "s" on the end - like in the man pages - I could have sworn it used to not have an "s" on --dport) root@m700l:~# iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dports 22 -j ACCEPT iptables v1.2.11: Unknown arg `--dports' Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. root@m700l:~# But even the man pages shows.... mport This module matches a set of source or destination ports. Up to 15 ports can be specified. It can only be used in conjunction with -p tcp or -p udp. --source-ports port[,port[,port...]] Match if the source port is one of the given ports. The flag --sports is a convenient alias for this option. --destination-ports port[,port[,port...]] Match if the destination port is one of the given ports. The flag --dports is a convenient alias for this option. --ports port[,port[,port...]] Match if the both the source and destination ports are equal to each other and to one of the given ports. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 22:57:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442vbx4017245 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:57:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j442vbUE017244 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:57:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442vbHu017240 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:57:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442vVXW004157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:57:37 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (pppoe-66-112-67-219.rb2.lax.centurytel.net [66.112.67.219] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j442vNjB020242 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:57:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D011498F1 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 21:57:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <427839F7.5000403@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:56:55 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] iptables Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.387, required 6, AWL 1.87, BAYES_00 -4.90, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I tried the following, but it appears to drop both incoming and outgoing (which doesn't seem right) - really didn't expect that.... root@m700l:~# iptables -F root@m700l:~# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination root@m700l:~# ping 192.168.10.1 PING 192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.10.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=2.99 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.10.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=2.91 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.10.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=2.96 ms --- 192.168.10.1 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2018ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.913/2.958/2.998/0.056 ms root@m700l:~# root@m700l:~# iptables -A INPUT -j DROP root@m700l:~# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination DROP all -- anywhere anywhere Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination root@m700l:~# ping 192.168.10.1 PING 192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1) 56(84) bytes of data. --- 192.168.10.1 ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4017ms root@m700l:~# iptables -F root@m700l:~# iptables -L Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination root@m700l:~# ping 192.168.10.1 PING 192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 192.168.10.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=3.10 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.10.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=3.14 ms 64 bytes from 192.168.10.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=3.07 ms --- 192.168.10.1 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2019ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.070/3.104/3.141/0.053 ms root@m700l:~# ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 3 23:01:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4431JL7017293 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 23:01:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4431J4C017292 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 May 2005 23:01:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4431JCB017288 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 23:01:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4431Jfb004284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 23:01:19 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (pppoe-66-112-67-219.rb2.lax.centurytel.net [66.112.67.219] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4431BZQ000861 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 23:01:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014651498F8 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 22:01:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42783ADB.7020509@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 22:00:43 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] iptables Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.655, required 6, AWL 0.22, BAYES_01 -1.52, RATWR10_MESSID 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In case it is any help (maybe I'm running a version that has issues).... It's a Slackware 10.1 installation root@m700l:~# iptables -V iptables v1.2.11 root@m700l:~# uname -a Linux m700l 2.4.29 #6 Thu Jan 20 16:30:37 PST 2005 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux root@m700l:~# date ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 4 00:00:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4440s0O017702 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 00:00:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4440s0X017701 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 May 2005 00:00:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4440rhX017697 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 00:00:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4440rRb005812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 00:00:53 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4440fDw025553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 00:00:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 1047 invoked from network); 4 May 2005 04:00:41 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 04:00:40 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 14811125339; Tue, 3 May 2005 23:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:49:16 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Message-ID: <20050504034916.GP9554@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <42783605.4090903@glennmeyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42783605.4090903@glennmeyer.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.986, required 6, AWL 0.91, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 09:40:05PM -0500, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I don't know why I can't use that either. It looks like it should work, > but here's the error I get.... > > root@m700l:~# iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT > iptables v1.2.11: Unknown arg `--dport' > Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. > > Then I tried spelling it differently (with an "s" on the end - like in > the man pages - I could have sworn it used to not have an "s" on --dport) > > root@m700l:~# iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dports 22 -j ACCEPT > iptables v1.2.11: Unknown arg `--dports' > Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. > root@m700l:~# > >From a closer reading of the man page, I suspect you must add the -p parameter as well. You can specify it as -p tcp or -p all. It looks like doing so loads a module that then allows iptables to understand the --dport parameter. Try it and see. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 4 01:07:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4457e0V018135 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 01:07:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4457etx018134 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 May 2005 01:07:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4457esQ018130 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 01:07:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4457euH009299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 01:07:40 -0400 Received: from s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.com (s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.com [63.240.218.73]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4457FG5012416 for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 01:07:15 -0400 Received: from s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.com ([127.0.0.1]) by s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.com (SMSSMTP 4.0.0.59) with SMTP id M2005050401071400698 for ; Wed, 04 May 2005 01:07:14 -0400 Received: from [10.0.68.156] ([10.0.68.156]) by s-utl01-dcpop.stsn.com for slug@nks.net; Wed, 4 May 2005 01:07:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <42783605.4090903@glennmeyer.com> References: <42783605.4090903@glennmeyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Scotty Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] iptables Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:33:39 -0700 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On May 3, 2005, at 7:40 PM, Glenn Meyer wrote: > I don't know why I can't use that either. It looks like it should > work, but here's the error I get.... > > root@m700l:~# iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT > iptables v1.2.11: Unknown arg `--dport' > Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information. > The answer is in the manual page: > But even the man pages shows.... > ... > specified. It can only be used in conjunction with -p tcp or -p > udp. You need to specify a protocol, since ports are not supported in all protocols: iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.10.0/24 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT This is stateless filtering, but you should probably use stateful filtering (it more useful as the rules get more complex, and as you start filtering more complicated protocols). First, allow new SSH sessions to be established from 192.168.10.0/24: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m tcp -p tcp -s 192.168.10.0/24 --dport 22 -j ACCEPT Now allow all packets that are part of an established TCP session, or that are related (ICMP messages, etc) through the firewall: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT Scotty -- Scotty Logan Never take life seriously, Nobody gets out alive anyway ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 13:02:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45H2FJ5032540 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:02:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j45H2F0P032539 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:02:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45H2FMB032535 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:02:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45H2EYS029329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:02:15 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45H1vov012008 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:01:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532235hfc69.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.235.69]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A6FFF9ED; Thu, 5 May 2005 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] long domain logon from XP to FC3 Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:03:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505051303.39513.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.835, required 6, AWL -0.96, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A couple of stations are taking up to eight minutes to log into the domain from XP pro stations to an FC3 server. I think this may be a Microsoft issue, but what should I be looking for? I don't think they're synchronizing their profiles. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 14:18:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45II4L5000588 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:18:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j45II4sx000587 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:18:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45II4OQ000583 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:18:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45II410000495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:18:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45IHnYE002954 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:17:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (6532163hfc145.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.163.145]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j45IHkpp000441 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.sandmcomputers.com ident=www-data) by localhost with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DTkuw-0002x4-00; Thu, 05 May 2005 14:17:46 -0400 Received: from 67.98.52.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mmiller1) by www.sandmcomputers.com with HTTP; Thu, 5 May 2005 14:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37192.67.98.52.2.1115317066.squirrel@www.sandmcomputers.com> In-Reply-To: <200505051303.39513.mario@alienscience.com> References: <200505051303.39513.mario@alienscience.com> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 14:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] long domain logon from XP to FC3 From: "Matt Miller" To: slug@nks.net Cc: "SLUG" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.434, required 6, AWL -0.78, BAYES_44 -0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mario Lombardo said: > A couple of stations are taking up to eight minutes to log into the domain > from XP pro stations to an FC3 server. I think this may be a Microsoft > issue, but what should I be looking for? I don't think they're > synchronizing > their profiles. Off the top of my head, I would check these things: * Network latency - simple pings can help you out here * Name resolution - make sure that the clients can forward and reverse lookup the server hostname * Adjust 'socket options' - edit your smb.conf and play around with the 'socket options = ' parameter, $ man smb.conf for details * Negotiation - check the interface negotiation with the switch (half/full/auto/speed) * Check the logs - run smbd and nmbd in debug mode; tail the appropriate logs as well as watch the debug output Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 15:41:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45Jfiqj001135 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j45JfiYa001134 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JfiNd001130 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45Jfi8c003564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:44 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JfV7n004938 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532235hfc69.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.235.69]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07EBFF9A7 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 12:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] long domain logon from XP to FC3 Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:42:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <427A5852.9060504@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <427A5852.9060504@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505051542.45725.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.785, required 6, AWL -0.18, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 05 May 2005 13:30, you as Wayne Pollock wrote: > > A couple of stations are taking up to eight minutes to log into the > > domain from XP pro stations to an FC3 server. I think this may be a > > Microsoft issue, but what should I be looking for? I don't think they're > > synchronizing their profiles. > > > > /mario > > Please ignore if your question is not about using Samba on the FC3 server > as a domain controller and CIFS on the XP Pro stations. > > Sounds like a name lookup timeout. Have your configured WINS? Setup > lmhosts? Or are you configured to use DNS for NetBIOS name lookups? > If so the DNS server and/or clients may be misconfigured. (You can > see those 5+ minute delays with DNS timeouts). > > If using CIFS, are the clients on the same LAN segment as > the server? If not you need to configured a master browser. > Note that NetBOIS browsers only syncronize with each other every > 15 minutes or so, so it could take a while for a client to > notice any changes. > > Why not examine the log files with tail -f and then have the client > make the request as you watch? If nothing happens the request > isn't getting to your machine and the problem must be in the > network or clients. > > Hope this helps! > > -Wayne I'm replying to this on the list since Wayne has SLUG digest. Yes, the FC3 server is acting as a domain controller and Samba server. Last I checked, the WINS settings on the end stations are correct. We're not using DNS for NetBIOS resolution. All of the stations are on the same subnet via a layer two switch. Do I need a master browser when they're logging into the domain controller? I'll check out the log files. Good idea about tail'ing it. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 15:41:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45Jflto001143 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j45JflGp001141 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45Jflr4001137 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JfljQ003567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:47 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JfVP8010164 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532235hfc69.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.235.69]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C6AFF999 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 12:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] disturbing Klipper history Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:12:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505051512.06342.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.879, required 6, AWL -0.82, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I know I've purged the Klipper history a few times in the last six months. I just logged back in, and I found a history that was from four months ago! How do I expunge this stuff for good. This is spooky. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 15:41:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45Jfm6H001149 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j45JfmVX001148 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JflpN001142 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JflDs003569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:47 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JfVAa027676 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532235hfc69.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.235.69]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697D0FFA43 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 12:41:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Kphone with FreeWorldDialUp Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:41:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505051541.43432.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.054, required 6, AWL 1.15, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anybody using Kphone with FreeWorldDialUp.com? I'm having issues with sound. I can call and hear myself from the cell phone, but when I use the microphone on the computer, I hear nothing on the cell. I can record my voice just fine. It'll be neat when I get it working. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 15:52:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JqR5F001236 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j45JqRHg001235 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JqRn1001231 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JqR0I003808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:27 -0400 Received: from test.siesel.net (k4ksa.org [198.252.48.35]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45JqGRB010857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:18 -0400 Received: from 198.252.48.37 ([198.252.48.37]) by test.siesel.net (8.13.1/8.12.11) with SMTP id j45Jq3Zm009277 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:16 -0400 From: Steve Siesel To: X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.1 (1880) - Licensed Version Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20055515529.569015@steve> Subject: [SLUG] Getting apache to work after upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j45JqRn1001232 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I need some help! I just upgraded to FC3 from FC2....and I am having a bit of trouble getting httpd to work. I get the following error, and I don't know what to do to fix it: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libphp4,so into server: libcurl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Can someone lead me the way to success with this? Thanks, Steve ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 18:55:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45MtxO9002423 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:55:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j45MtxXn002422 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:55:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45MtxTA002418 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:55:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45MtxCS010910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:55:59 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j45Mtpaq014562 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:55:51 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j45MtmEh001378 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 18:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 18:55:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting apache to work after upgrade In-Reply-To: <20055515529.569015@steve> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I need some help! > > I just upgraded to FC3 from FC2....and I am > having a bit of trouble getting httpd to work. > > I get the following error, and I don't know > what to do to fix it: > > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libphp4,so into server: libcurl.so.2: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory. > > Can someone lead me the way to success with this? My RPMs (RH 8.something) have curl-7.9.8-1.i386.rpm and curl-devel-7.9.8-1.i386.rpm. http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libcurl says libcurl is from http://curl.haxx.se . -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A. A Top Poster \ http://www.fscked.co.uk/ B. Who's there? \ writing/ A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com \ top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 20:11:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460Bx3h002912 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:11:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j460Bxol002911 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:11:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460Bx5w002907 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:11:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460BwDj013604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:11:59 -0400 Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460BjJ3021559 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:11:45 -0400 Received: from [207.30.163.214] (helo=[192.168.0.7]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DTqRV-0007UF-B6 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:11:45 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:Reply-To:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id; b=B+dVNbnVyCtUpaGVNFfAojdgLOnoQsKb8uBVTzVosnn0CFI7QQj2kjYBw1+lM5lI; From: Bob File Organization: What Now Enterprises To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] suse 9.3 Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:12:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: e131e659f87e8fe494f5150ab1c16ac06b48d29827cfba208250d3a203712f34e76a9a57d813c13d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 207.30.163.214 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.751, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60, TW_KD 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well I must admit that I am in whiner mode because of a bad cold, but man!, my suse 9.3 upgrade did not go well . . . Not really an upgrade (didn't even try, but saved /home partition and some backups to put databases and html stuff back), but wipe the / and /boot partitions clean to start fresh. Got a set of CDs from ztechshop.net for around 20. I did that Saturday nite and crashed(went to bed) late. Get up sunday morning and turn the 'puter on and it boots into twm - hehe - eh uh erm what? I didn't ask for that kind of torture I'm pretty darn sure; especially since it took 2 tries at getting kdm and kde desktop to start from boot. Oh well - I knew how to recover from such, but that could be a daunting task for others that might not know that there was something there besides a checkerboard. Especially some one noob-ish. sheesh So recover from that and it looks nice and there are some much improved apps, although lord help me when I go to install grass (I bet); I'll leave that until I am feeling better. So things look pretty good and I go to burn an iso file onto a CD and the systems grinds to a halt. wow ... did I mess up the recording part of my CD by burning a bunch of CD's before repartitioning? hmmm .... cdrecord -scanbus returns : 0,0,0 0) 'MSI ' 'CD-RW MS-8348 ' '120D' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * so it sees the drive but refuses to use it - just stops. So I boot puppy linux and try a burn there. Puppy Linux is fairly small, comes on a bootable CD and loads into available ram so that you can use you CD burner for whatever incuding save session info to back to the CD . I fire up it's CD burning program - Gcombust I believe it's called and tell it to use scsi device 0,0,0 and to put an iso image onto a CD from the mounted /home partition. It works fine and the freshly roasted CD boots just fine, soooo... I am pretty sure that the hardware is OK. I haven't figured out what is setup wrong , but hopefully someone here might toss me a clue on this part. This time around adding an ftp or http site to the yast installation source list works fine. I could not find PHP5 on the CD's, but they were in the list on the ftp site and installed OK once I stopped apache and let it erase mod-PHP4. Using Yast to install things , plus modify config. I didn't expect the third party CD's to show up so fast, or the ftp file either. Novell must have decided to put 'em up for grabs right away this time. Maybe I should start over with an ftp install, dunno. Now that I have dsl it would certainly be a possibility. Well sorry to whine on for so long, but wanted to opine here since I asked for advice earlier on this very subject and now have taken the plunge into the 9.3 fog . . . The 2 problems I have run into could be real showstoppers for some, so beware. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 5 20:51:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460pUAX003206 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:51:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j460pUsB003205 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:51:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460pTcg003201 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:51:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460pT0K014808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:51:29 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j460p83W030564 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:51:09 -0400 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.100.30.179]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IG100BMWMD8WEK3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:51:06 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 In-reply-to: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200505052051.06894.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.302, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob, Thanks. I was thinking of 9.3, but I'll wait. Don't need more aggravation. I also have that plague that is passing over the area. A really miserable week (going on two), I must say. Went through 3 big boxes of Kleenex in 1 1/2 days, and the antibiotics are pain-in-the, literally. Don On Thursday 05 May 2005 20:12, Bob File wrote: > Well I must admit that I am in whiner mode because of a bad cold, but man!, > my suse 9.3 upgrade did not go well . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 6 00:52:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j464qNR9004832 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:52:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j464qNCl004831 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:52:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j464qM5A004827 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:52:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j464qH1p024386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:52:22 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j464q4mS030070 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 00:52:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.123.63]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IG100B6FXIRWEE4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 May 2005 23:52:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 00:50:16 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 In-reply-to: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob File wrote: > Well I must admit that I am in whiner mode because of a bad cold, but man!, my > suse 9.3 upgrade did not go well . . . Not really an upgrade (didn't even Hi Bob! I am doing better with gentoo, for heaven's sake, than I did with SuSe. The latest MEPIS, however, is much improved and you should give it a spin. SuSe *write*protected* my hard drive and I had to fdisk and start over. I was not pleased. I have the gentoo install to the point of a command prompt and it only took a month. In another month I will have KDE working? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 6 05:14:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j469EAXl006691 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:14:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j469EAnG006690 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:14:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j469E5eh006686 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:14:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j469Doss003923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:14:05 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j469DZ9U017578 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:13:35 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.12] (6532231hfc86.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.231.86]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j469DWb6012600 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 From: 404 To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> References: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 05:22:19 -0400 Message-Id: <1115371339.26350.1.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.878, required 6, AWL 1.44, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS 0.58) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just recently upgraded to 9.2, from 9.0, and have had no problems at all. After everything I have read about 9.3 I'm going to wait until they release 10 before upgrading... The only reason I upgraded from 9.0 was because Guru was going to stop updating packages for 9.0 - http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ 404 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 6 08:31:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46CV3be008023 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:31:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j46CV3q2008022 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:31:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46CV31j008018 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:31:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46CV3vA011952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:31:03 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46CUvwY029873 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 08:30:57 -0400 Received: from slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com ([71.100.110.74]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IG200ECIIRG5BJ3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 06 May 2005 07:30:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 08:29:50 -0400 From: Mason Mullins Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 In-reply-to: <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <20050506082950.14e99394@slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.595, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2 2.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A month? Wow, last time I tried Gentoo it took 3 days to install including Fluxbox. I haven't tried SuSE in quite a while, it was 9.1 as I recall. Never really cared for it, too bloated. Slackware just seems to avoid all of these problems. Mepis is a good distro, I keep a copy around to show people thinking of trying Linux and it is pretty easy to set up and use. Also comes in handy for those litte boot emergencies and for testing hardware before buying. Warren does a pretty good job. Bob, For the k3b, did you check the permissions for cdrdao and cdrecord as well as your fstab entries? Just a thought. On Fri, 06 May 2005 00:50:16 -0400 Pete Theisen wrote: > Bob File wrote: > > Well I must admit that I am in whiner mode because of a bad cold, but man!, my > > suse 9.3 upgrade did not go well . . . Not really an upgrade (didn't even > > Hi Bob! > > I am doing better with gentoo, for heaven's sake, than I did with SuSe. > The latest MEPIS, however, is much improved and you should give it a spin. > > SuSe *write*protected* my hard drive and I had to fdisk and start over. > I was not pleased. I have the gentoo install to the point of a command > prompt and it only took a month. In another month I will have KDE working? > > Regards, > > Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 6 15:24:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46JOiTr010668 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:24:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j46JOik9010667 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:24:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46JOijH010663 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:24:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46JOhKl027214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:24:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46JOXLV012093 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:24:33 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j46JOUEh018565 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 15:23:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 In-Reply-To: <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Bob File wrote: > > Well I must admit that I am in whiner mode because of a bad cold, but man!, my > > suse 9.3 upgrade did not go well . . . Not really an upgrade (didn't even > > I am doing better with gentoo, for heaven's sake, than I did with SuSe. > The latest MEPIS, however, is much improved and you should give it a spin. > > SuSe *write*protected* my hard drive and I had to fdisk and start over. > I was not pleased. I have the gentoo install to the point of a command > prompt and it only took a month. In another month I will have KDE working? Are you sure it wasn't just mounted ro? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar LEO: Now is not a good time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss' face, oh no. Eat a bucket of tuna-flavored pudding and wash it down with a gallon of strawberry Quik. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 6 15:45:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46Jjrwr010810 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:45:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j46JjrkT010809 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:45:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46JjquL010805 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:45:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46JjqUg027867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:45:52 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f3.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.13]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46Jjdwx020256 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:45:39 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 May 2005 12:45:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.202 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2005 19:45:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.202] X-Originating-Email: [akimbomoons@hotmail.com] X-Sender: akimbomoons@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <42783605.4090903@glennmeyer.com> From: "Chad Sine" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 19:45:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 19:45:39.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E2C3420:01C55274] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.742, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, TW_WT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello my fellow sluggers, I found the / partition had filled on one of my routers. Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda2 2.7G 2.7G 0K 100% / none 31M 0 31M 0% /dev/shm The /var/log/wtmp file had grown to 1.6G. I deleted it, and touched a new wtmp. The new one has grown to 1M in just under an hour. My log fills with these entries from c{1-6}. Utmp dump of wtmp [6] [01012] [c5 ] [LOGIN ] [tty5 ] [ ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] [8] [01002] [c6 ] [ ] [tty6 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] [5] [01014] [c6 ] [ ] [ ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] [6] [01014] [c6 ] [LOGIN ] [tty6 ] [ ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] [8] [01004] [c1 ] [ ] [tty1 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:15 2005 EDT] [8] [01006] [c2 ] [ ] [tty2 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:15 2005 EDT] [8] [01008] [c3 ] [ ] [tty3 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] [8] [01010] [c4 ] [ ] [tty4 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] [8] [01012] [c5 ] [ ] [tty5 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] [8] [01014] [c6 ] [ ] [tty6 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] Any Ideas? Chad Sine ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 6 17:06:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46L6Rfg011320 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 17:06:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j46L6R2X011319 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 May 2005 17:06:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46L6RIv011315 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 17:06:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46L6Q0N030331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 17:06:26 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j46L6GdW027721 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 17:06:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.123.63]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IG3008XI6MFCB50@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 06 May 2005 16:06:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 17:04:28 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <427BDBDC.3080502@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.714, required 6, AWL 0.71, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 6 May 2005, Pete Theisen wrote: > Are you sure it wasn't just mounted ro? > Hi Bob! At the time I tried everything the gurus suggested, nothing worked. The write protected was from an error message when I tried to set up the Internet connection. I just blew it off and used the drive for something else. Gentoo. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 00:01:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4741p63014075 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:01:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4741pfP014074 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:01:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4741o6g014070 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:01:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4741n2V011796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:01:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4741VLR023879 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:01:31 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4741TEg007248 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> References: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:01:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1115438497.5310.31.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.165, required 6, AWL 0.73, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 00:50 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Bob File wrote: > > Well I must admit that I am in whiner mode because of a bad cold, but man!, my > > suse 9.3 upgrade did not go well . . . Not really an upgrade (didn't even > > Hi Bob! > > I am doing better with gentoo, for heaven's sake, than I did with SuSe. > The latest MEPIS, however, is much improved and you should give it a spin. > > SuSe *write*protected* my hard drive and I had to fdisk and start over. > I was not pleased. I have the gentoo install to the point of a command > prompt and it only took a month. In another month I will have KDE working? > > Regards, > > Pete Pete, I believe he was looking for constructive feedback on his installation woes and not a plug for gentoo or mepis. OS's don't just pop a magical black tab out of a hard drive an *write protect* them. SuSE didn't do anything to you. What most likely occurred is 1.) a bad or corrupted file caused the drive to mount read only (ro) as eben had said. A simple fsck (file system check/repair) would have probably fixed you right up. Or 2.)the fstab got hosed which is where the OS gets instructions on how to mount the drive or 3.) you managed to chmod (change file permissions) on something important by accident. When I get a kernel upgrade, somtimes it breaks my X/KDE but not because the OS and their foul updates did it...it's because I have a custom NVIDIA driver. IIRC most of your issues are with goofy hardware that obviously not all linux distro's support. Gentoo works for you and you don't hate Robin and mepis anymore. Great!! but what does that have to do with fixing Bob's cd burning issue?? I'm sure he's not going to ditch the whole distro over that. It can be fixed simple enough with somebody's proper reply. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 00:09:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4749LcM014121 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:09:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4749LGp014120 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:09:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4749KM4014116 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:09:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4749KFv012430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:09:20 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474925p017183 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:09:03 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j47490GK010069 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Getting apache to work after upgrade From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:09:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1115438949.5310.36.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.924, required 6, AWL 1.98, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 18:55 -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 5 May 2005, Steve Siesel wrote: > > > I need some help! > > > > I just upgraded to FC3 from FC2....and I am > > having a bit of trouble getting httpd to work. > > > > I get the following error, and I don't know > > what to do to fix it: > > > > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/libphp4,so into server: libcurl.so.2: cannot open > > shared object file: No such file or directory. > > > > Can someone lead me the way to success with this? > > My RPMs (RH 8.something) have curl-7.9.8-1.i386.rpm and > curl-devel-7.9.8-1.i386.rpm. > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libcurl says libcurl is > from http://curl.haxx.se . > I don't run FC but since it's red hat it has a package manager of sorts. try using yum or whatever comes with FC to get libcurl/curl or at their homepage that eben posted about halfway down the page they have fedora packages. good luck!! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 00:39:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474dniM014344 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:39:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j474dniK014343 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:39:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474dnCh014339 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:39:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474dndB014216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:39:49 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474dUiv028776 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:39:30 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j474dREg026118 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] disturbing Klipper history From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200505051512.06342.mario@alienscience.com> References: <200505051512.06342.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:39:36 -0400 Message-Id: <1115440776.5310.44.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.52, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 15:12 -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I know I've purged the Klipper history a few times in the last six months. I > just logged back in, and I found a history that was from four months ago! > How do I expunge this stuff for good. This is spooky. > > /mario Hey Mario.. hmmm.... mbranda@Laptop:~> ps -ef | grep klipper mbranda 5131 1 0 May06 ? 00:00:04 kdeinit: klipper mbranda 6416 6234 0 00:20 pts/2 00:00:00 grep klipper mbranda@Laptop:~> lsof | grep -i klip kdeinit 5131 mbranda mem REG 22,6 5040 1373250 /opt/kde3/lib/kde3/klipper.so kdeinit 5131 mbranda mem REG 22,6 235415 832823 /opt/kde3/lib/libkdeinit_klipper.so looks like no hidden cache dir. I noticed that it has an option in the configuration menu to only store the last * entries. Can you decrease that number and it get rid of them?? see you tuesday!! (hopefully) Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 00:51:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474ppNE014429 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:51:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j474pp2a014428 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:51:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474pou7014424 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:51:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474poOX014716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:51:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j474pcNt021903 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:51:38 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j474papp010483 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 00:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] long domain logon from XP to FC3 From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200505051542.45725.mario@alienscience.com> References: <427A5852.9060504@acm.org> <200505051542.45725.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:51:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1115441505.5310.51.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.282, required 6, AWL 1.02, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 15:42 -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > On Thursday 05 May 2005 13:30, you as Wayne Pollock wrote: > > > A couple of stations are taking up to eight minutes to log into the > > > domain from XP pro stations to an FC3 server. I think this may be a > > > Microsoft issue, but what should I be looking for? I don't think they're > > > synchronizing their profiles. > > > > > > /mario > > > > Please ignore if your question is not about using Samba on the FC3 server > > as a domain controller and CIFS on the XP Pro stations. > > > > Sounds like a name lookup timeout. Have your configured WINS? Setup > > lmhosts? Or are you configured to use DNS for NetBIOS name lookups? > > If so the DNS server and/or clients may be misconfigured. (You can > > see those 5+ minute delays with DNS timeouts). > > > > If using CIFS, are the clients on the same LAN segment as > > the server? If not you need to configured a master browser. > > Note that NetBOIS browsers only syncronize with each other every > > 15 minutes or so, so it could take a while for a client to > > notice any changes. > > > > Why not examine the log files with tail -f and then have the client > > make the request as you watch? If nothing happens the request > > isn't getting to your machine and the problem must be in the > > network or clients. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > -Wayne > > I'm replying to this on the list since Wayne has SLUG digest. > > Yes, the FC3 server is acting as a domain controller and Samba server. Last I > checked, the WINS settings on the end stations are correct. We're not using > DNS for NetBIOS resolution. All of the stations are on the same subnet via a > layer two switch. > > Do I need a master browser when they're logging into the domain controller? > I'll check out the log files. Good idea about tail'ing it. > > /mario > I thought that you had to set the Samba server as the master with some high election number in the conf to guarantee a win. On a side note, almost all long network delays I've dealt with involve dns/name resolution issues. You might wanna bust out ethereal too to analyze the network conversation. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 01:09:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4759eGr014552 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:09:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4759esc014551 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:09:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4759dOR014547 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:09:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4759c7u015347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:09:39 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4759PD8006263 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:09:25 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4759Mlu014892 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 01:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 01:09:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1115442571.5310.56.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.115, required 6, AWL 0.71, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_WT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 19:45 +0000, Chad Sine wrote: > Hello my fellow sluggers, > > I found the / partition had filled on one of my routers. > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda2 2.7G 2.7G 0K 100% / > none 31M 0 31M 0% /dev/shm > > The /var/log/wtmp file had grown to 1.6G. I deleted it, and touched a new > wtmp. The new one has grown to 1M in just under an hour. My log fills with > these entries from c{1-6}. > > Utmp dump of wtmp > [6] [01012] [c5 ] [LOGIN ] [tty5 ] [ ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > [8] [01002] [c6 ] [ ] [tty6 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > [5] [01014] [c6 ] [ ] [ ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > [6] [01014] [c6 ] [LOGIN ] [tty6 ] [ ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > [8] [01004] [c1 ] [ ] [tty1 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:15 2005 EDT] > [8] [01006] [c2 ] [ ] [tty2 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:15 2005 EDT] > [8] [01008] [c3 ] [ ] [tty3 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > [8] [01010] [c4 ] [ ] [tty4 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > [8] [01012] [c5 ] [ ] [tty5 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > [8] [01014] [c6 ] [ ] [tty6 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] [0.0.0.0 > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > > Any Ideas? > > Chad Sine > > man wtmp shows a lot..... the second column of your dump shows the process ID.....have you done a ps to see what 1012 and 1014 (probably different by now) are?? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 02:05:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4765fUk014930 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:05:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4765fCs014929 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:05:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4765fS0014925 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:05:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4765e4h017654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:05:41 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4765RWJ029405 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:05:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.123.63]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IG3001VHVKY6A73@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 07 May 2005 01:05:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 02:03:34 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 In-reply-to: <1115438497.5310.31.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <427C5A36.5070407@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> <1115438497.5310.31.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.908, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mike Branda wrote: > On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 00:50 -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > >> Bob File wrote: >> >>> Well I must admit that I am in whiner mode because of a bad cold, >>> but man!, my suse 9.3 upgrade did not go well . . . Not really an >>> upgrade (didn't even >> >> Hi Bob! >> >> I am doing better with gentoo, for heaven's sake, than I did with >> SuSe. The latest MEPIS, however, is much improved and you should >> give it a spin. >> >> SuSe *write*protected* my hard drive and I had to fdisk and start >> over. I was not pleased. I have the gentoo install to the point of >> a command prompt and it only took a month. In another month I will >> have KDE working? >> >> Regards, >> >> Pete > > > Pete, > > I believe he was looking for constructive feedback on his > installation woes and not a plug for gentoo or mepis. OS's don't > just pop a magical black tab out of a hard drive an *write protect* > them. SuSE didn't do anything to you. What most likely occurred is > 1.) a bad or corrupted file caused the drive to mount read only (ro) > as eben had said. A simple fsck (file system check/repair) would > have probably fixed you right up. Or 2.)the fstab got hosed which is > where the OS gets instructions on how to mount the drive or 3.) you > managed to chmod (change file permissions) on something important by > accident. When I get a kernel upgrade, somtimes it breaks my X/KDE > but not because the OS and their foul updates did it...it's because I > have a custom NVIDIA driver. IIRC most of your issues are with goofy > hardware that obviously not all linux distro's support. Gentoo works > for you and you don't hate Robin and mepis anymore. Great!! but > what does that have to do with fixing Bob's cd burning issue?? I'm > sure he's not going to ditch the whole distro over that. It can be > fixed simple enough with somebody's proper reply. > > > > Mike Branda Jr. > Hi Mike! You seem to be a techie, here are a couple of links to what my guru guys and I were doing about my SuSe install: Another guy, Vince Teachout, had the same problem I was having on the second thread. I think he would have solved it, but I don't remember the post where he did, think it was another thread. Of course, by now I have fdisked it. Try to think of my post to Bob as commiseration. I don't remember saying I hated Robin or mepis. I think I said that it wasn't point and click, that is not the same as saying "hate". Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 02:29:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j476Tajc015131 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:29:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j476TaCt015130 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:29:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j476TZUk015126 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:29:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j476TZaO018658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:29:35 -0400 Received: from omc1-s40.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s40.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.242]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j476TQxR007472 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 02:29:26 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.22]) by omc1-s40.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 6 May 2005 23:29:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 May 2005 23:29:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.204 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 06:29:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.204] X-Originating-Email: [akimbomoons@hotmail.com] X-Sender: akimbomoons@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1115442571.5310.56.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> From: "Chad Sine" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 06:29:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2005 06:29:25.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D492280:01C552CE] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.118, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, TW_WT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mike, Thank you for the quick response regarding this. The processes that you noticed appear to be spawned every second or so. The processes that are actually logging these errors appear to be the actual terminals. /sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux /sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux /sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux /sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux /sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux /sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux They are running rampant... >From: Mike Branda >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections >Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 01:09:31 -0400 > >On Fri, 2005-05-06 at 19:45 +0000, Chad Sine wrote: > > Hello my fellow sluggers, > > > > I found the / partition had filled on one of my routers. > > > > Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/hda2 2.7G 2.7G 0K 100% / > > none 31M 0 31M 0% /dev/shm > > > > The /var/log/wtmp file had grown to 1.6G. I deleted it, and touched a >new > > wtmp. The new one has grown to 1M in just under an hour. My log fills >with > > these entries from c{1-6}. > > > > Utmp dump of wtmp > > [6] [01012] [c5 ] [LOGIN ] [tty5 ] [ ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > > [8] [01002] [c6 ] [ ] [tty6 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > > [5] [01014] [c6 ] [ ] [ ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > > [6] [01014] [c6 ] [LOGIN ] [tty6 ] [ ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:06 2005 EDT] > > [8] [01004] [c1 ] [ ] [tty1 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:15 2005 EDT] > > [8] [01006] [c2 ] [ ] [tty2 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:15 2005 EDT] > > [8] [01008] [c3 ] [ ] [tty3 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > > [8] [01010] [c4 ] [ ] [tty4 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > > [8] [01012] [c5 ] [ ] [tty5 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > > [8] [01014] [c6 ] [ ] [tty6 ] [2.4.22-gentoo-r7 ] >[0.0.0.0 > > ] [Tue Apr 05 12:32:16 2005 EDT] > > > > Any Ideas? > > > > Chad Sine > > > > > >man wtmp shows a lot..... the second column of your dump shows the >process ID.....have you done a ps to see what 1012 and 1014 (probably >different by now) are?? > > >Mike Branda Jr. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 10:22:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EMnL9018360 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:22:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47EMnDt018359 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:22:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EMnNZ018355 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:22:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EMmw3005300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:22:49 -0400 Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EMadw011011 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:22:36 -0400 Received: from [71.0.236.251] (helo=[192.168.0.7]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUQCS-0004lv-G8 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:22:36 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=From:Reply-To:Organization:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Disposition:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id; b=c4rvjJKBuTHpRE8ZEyb/WCtjIoiisBNPEmctTSJ6kEcn/2Kv41RvjPw64IPq+iFy; From: Bob File Organization: What Now Enterprises To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] suse 9.3 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:23:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505052012.20382.bobpat@earthlink.net> <427AF788.5040808@acun.com> <20050506082950.14e99394@slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com> In-Reply-To: <20050506082950.14e99394@slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200505071023.23057.bobpat@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: e131e659f87e8fe494f5150ab1c16ac06b48d29827cfba20da3316c7e40623e92c6450dc566950ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.0.236.251 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.104, required 6, AWL -1.80, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_GET_MEDS 2.75, SARE_HTML_INV_CHARSET 0.61, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XC 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 06 May 2005 08:29 am, Mason Mullins wrote: > > Bob, For the k3b, did you check the permissions for cdrdao and cdrecord as > well as your fstab entries? Just a thought. > ls -lv /usr/bin/cdr* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 561608 2005-03-23 12:33 /usr/bin/cdrdao -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 332360 2005-03-19 14:20 /usr/bin/cdrecord -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 340780 2005-03-19 14:20 /usr/bin/cdrecord-dvd I believe that the last x there is execute by others ... although I did try and run it as root also. entry from fstab for CD: /dev/cdrecorder /media/cdrecorder subfs noauto,fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 I have changed the 'ro' to 'rw' , but still no change, This would be at the file system level anyway; I think the use of the burner is done at the device level ?? I may end up rebooting here and writing another message; I have xcdroast installed now and I think I can get it to write a log to see what it (or cdrecord) thinks is going on when I initiate a write request... Nope; blew that. Had to reset to get system back. Hmm what does this clue mean? I have entries in /var/log/messages and /var/log/warn lika this: May 7 10:14:10 dragon kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 0 May 7 10:14:11 dragon kernel: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } May 7 10:14:11 dragon kernel: hdc: command error: error=0x50 { LastFailedSense=0x05 } May 7 10:14:11 dragon kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown Or is this just because of blank CD in drive? Sorry.. Head clogged and spinning... must spin about in place now.... more later. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 10:31:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EV04v018424 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47EV0PO018423 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EV06P018419 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EUxrd005555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:31:00 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47EUbPf011563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:30:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 31294 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 14:30:37 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 14:30:36 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E89A2125339; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:29:14 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Broadcast Flag dead for now Message-ID: <20050507142914.GV9554@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.345, required 6, AWL -1.34, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net For those not following along, it appears that a DC Appeals court has struck down the "broadcast flag" regulation created by the FCC. See today's Tampa Tribune, business section. One telling paragraph: "The FCC acknowledged the agency never had exercised the authority to impose regulations affecting television broadcasts after such programs are beamed into households, but it maintained that was permitted by Congress because lawmakers didn't explicitly outlaw it." I don't particularly want to provoke a political debate, but it's worth noting where this particular regulation came from. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 11:37:27 2005 Received: from netscape.net (c.223.167.a228.sta.adsl.cyfra.net [62.80.167.223]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j47FbEwJ018855 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:37:21 -0400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:36:44 +0100 From: "D Ellis" User-Agent: The Bat! (v1.53d) X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Administrator" Subject: Look at me Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear friend, As you read this, I don't want you to feel sorry for me, because, I believe everyone ill die someday. My name is Mr. Mr. David Ellis. I have been diagnosed with Oesophageal cancer. It has defiled all forms of medical treatment, and right now I have only about a few months to live, according to medical experts. I have not particularly lived a good life, as I never really cared for anyone (not even myself) but my business. Though I am very rich, I was never generous, I was always hostile to people and only focused on my business as that was the only thing I cared for. But now I regret all this as I now know that there is more to life than just wanting to have or make all the money in the world. I believe when God gives me a second chance to come to this world I would live my life a different way from how I have lived it. Now that God has called me, I have willed and given most of my property and assets to my immediate and extended family members as well as a few close friends. I want God to be merciful to me and accept my soul so, I have decided to give alms to charity organizations, as I want this to be one of the last good deeds I do on earth. So far, I have distributed money to some charity organizations in the U.A.E, Algeria and Malaysia. Now that my health has deteriorated so badly, I cannot do this myself anymore. I once asked members of my family to close one of my accounts and distribute the money which I have there to charity organization in Bulgaria and Pakistan; they refused and kept the money to themselves. Hence, I do not trust them anymore, as they seem not to be contended with what I have left for them. The last of my money which no one knows of is the huge cash deposit of eighteen million dollars ($18,000,000.00) that I have with a Trust company abroad. I will want you to help me collect this deposit and dispatched it to charity organizations. I have set aside 20% for you and for your time. God be with you. Mr. David Ellis From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 12:55:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47GtoW5019345 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:55:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47Gtosv019344 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:55:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47GtoKf019340 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:55:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47GtnZq009682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:55:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47GtUF3004748 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:55:30 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j47GtSGK026848 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 12:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 12:55:37 -0400 Message-Id: <1115484937.5235.45.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.351, required 6, AWL 0.47, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_WT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 06:29 +0000, Chad Sine wrote: > Mike, > > Thank you for the quick response regarding this. The processes that you > noticed appear to be spawned every second or so. The processes that are > actually logging these errors appear to be the actual terminals. > > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux > > They are running rampant... > Hmmm....still searching...some people seem to suggest using logrotate/cron to automate the removal and replacement of the wtmp. Don't know how good that is since wtmp seems to not be plain ascii but it might be a good temporary fix to stop the disk from filling to capacity. That would buy more time to research what is causing the problem (see man logrotate). I'll keep looking. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 13:31:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47HVUFE019624 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:31:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47HVUGW019623 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:31:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47HVUmH019619 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:31:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47HVT8D011049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:31:29 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47HVD8k025962 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:31:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0801E for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427CFB0C.3050800@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 13:29:48 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections References: <1115484937.5235.45.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> In-Reply-To: <1115484937.5235.45.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.864, required 6, AWL 0.96, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_WT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mike Branda wrote: >>/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux >>/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux >>/sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux >>/sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux >>/sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux >>/sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux >> >>They are running rampant... > > Hmmm....still searching...some people seem to suggest using > logrotate/cron to automate the removal and replacement of the wtmp. > Don't know how good that is since wtmp seems to not be plain ascii but > it might be a good temporary fix to stop the disk from filling to > capacity. That would buy more time to research what is causing the > problem (see man logrotate). I'll keep looking. > Since it's a serial connection, one possibility may be a bad duplex or baud setting causing garbage on the line leading to lots of failed login attempts. You can also move the file elsewhere then run 'last' against it to see what's happening. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 14:28:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47ISYg4020006 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:28:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47ISYTc020005 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:28:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47ISYjQ020001 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:28:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47ISX6L013302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:28:33 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47ISKcB007479 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:28:20 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so634573rng for ; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JyqoWv8NYDe6hCicd9l/ESnyLx9BdfBFVpljH5R2jzqGM/SUbGCPcenyD8I9YhYs3I2yYQXvPz4uT+2fb2F+oFlBcssDM1BnawKbRU2PBGuO/5PxhOlJMY4BlovZRYmXv0LKNdQbEaR1HC217eiFSENPOjHjtxtaEoGCMVlLDfU= Received: by 10.38.76.67 with SMTP id y67mr696106rna; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 11:28:19 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.527, required 6, AWL -0.23, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j47ISYjQ020002 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, I have asked about this before, and have poked and poked at it, what is at issue is that the eth0 port is not getting set up, the machine is a toshiba laptop, I think that the eth0 parameters are being sent to it either too soon (it is a pcmcia nic card) or it is getting partially setup but again possibly too soon. My fix has been to log in and root after the machine has finished booting do a ifdown eth0 and then do a ifup eth0. If I just fo a ifup eth0 it tells me that the device is already configured. When I watch the startup screen go by I see it attempt to configure eth0 it fails and defers it then it does so again, it detects the card speed (10 mb) but does not appear to load in the ip, mask, gw etc. I am trying to figure out where to go in and try make it do that a bit later. I can see possible places in the rc.d files, but even though I poke at the run sequences I still can not get the thing to load in the proper configur- ation beyond the fact that the card is there, but just needs to be pulled down and then up. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 17:01:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47L1KY0020969 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:01:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47L1KGx020968 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:01:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47L1KPk020964 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:01:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47L1JRX017570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:01:20 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f8.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.18]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47L14up025174 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:01:04 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 May 2005 14:01:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.204 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:01:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.204] X-Originating-Email: [akimbomoons@hotmail.com] X-Sender: akimbomoons@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1115484937.5235.45.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> From: "Chad Sine" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:01:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2005 21:01:03.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1651A10:01C55347] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.43, required 6, AWL 1.69, BAYES_00 -4.90, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, TW_WT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sluggers + Mike Branda, I came across the same basic thing. This solution would remedy the hard drive filling problem, but will not fix the problem. I wonder if the part of the kernel that handles the creation of the tty's themselves is borked. >From: Mike Branda >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections >Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 12:55:37 -0400 > >On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 06:29 +0000, Chad Sine wrote: > > Mike, > > > > Thank you for the quick response regarding this. The processes that you > > noticed appear to be spawned every second or so. The processes that are > > actually logging these errors appear to be the actual terminals. > > > > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux > > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux > > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty3 linux > > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty4 linux > > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty5 linux > > /sbin/agetty 38400 tty6 linux > > > > They are running rampant... > > > >Hmmm....still searching...some people seem to suggest using >logrotate/cron to automate the removal and replacement of the wtmp. >Don't know how good that is since wtmp seems to not be plain ascii but >it might be a good temporary fix to stop the disk from filling to >capacity. That would buy more time to research what is causing the >problem (see man logrotate). I'll keep looking. > > > >Mike Branda Jr. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 17:18:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47LIRnI021106 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:18:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47LIQ3v021105 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:18:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47LIQtc021101 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:18:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47LIQ1G018023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:18:26 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47LIF4x020116 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:18:15 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j47LIDlv026456 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Broadcast Flag dead for now In-Reply-To: <20050507142914.GV9554@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: For those not following along, it appears that a DC Appeals court has > struck down the "broadcast flag" regulation created by the FCC. See > today's Tampa Tribune, business section. One telling paragraph: > > "The FCC acknowledged the agency never had exercised the authority to > impose regulations affecting television broadcasts after such programs > are beamed into households, but it maintained that was permitted by > Congress because lawmakers didn't explicitly outlaw it." Does that have implications on homebrew DVRs being able to record HD programs without going through a D-A step, or are you talking about MP3s, or what? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 19:00:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47N0oBD021781 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:00:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47N0oan021780 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:00:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47N0oau021776 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:00:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47N0neu021478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:00:49 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47N0faY002254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:00:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 32103 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 23:00:41 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 23:00:41 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 34B0C125339; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:54:51 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Broadcast Flag dead for now Message-ID: <20050507225451.GW9554@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List References: <20050507142914.GV9554@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.136, required 6, AWL -1.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, May 07, 2005 at 05:17:22PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 7 May 2005, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > For those not following along, it appears that a DC Appeals court has > > struck down the "broadcast flag" regulation created by the FCC. See > > today's Tampa Tribune, business section. One telling paragraph: > > > > "The FCC acknowledged the agency never had exercised the authority to > > impose regulations affecting television broadcasts after such programs > > are beamed into households, but it maintained that was permitted by > > Congress because lawmakers didn't explicitly outlaw it." > > Does that have implications on homebrew DVRs being able to record HD > programs without going through a D-A step, or are you talking about MP3s, or > what? I haven't really followed this as well as a lot of other people, so I'm not really sure. Apparently, it affects digital content sent over-the-air only, or at least that's the idea. The idea is that if your TV's tuner is digital, then any digital content could not be recorded except at analog resolutions. This was set up because the content producers (RIAA, Hollywood, et al) were afraid that if their content went out digitally, it would be copied endlessly and perfectly because it's digital = piracy. It's my opinion that once the broadcast flag genie was let out of the bottle, HDTV broadcasts wouldn't be the only things ultimately affected by it. But that's just my opinion. In answer to your question, if you buy an HDTV card before July 1, you could do as you wished; after, it would incorporate the flag and not allow exporting the signal in a way where it could be recorded. In fact, the FCC intended that devices incorporating the flag also be "tamper-proof", so you couldn't hack the electronics and defeat the flag. I've never heard of the broadcast flag being applied to MP3s, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't eventually happen. Again, at this point, it's been struck down by a DC Appeals court. But it could be appealed, or it could be resurrected in some other form. Hollywood will continue to do all it can to restrict the reproduction of its content. (Even VHS tapes have Macrovision encryption, and DVDs have flags indicating the region on whose players they will play.) Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 19:55:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47NtWXP022157 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:55:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j47NtWoG022156 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:55:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47NtWPf022152 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:55:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47NtVt8023122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:55:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j47NtNJf000626 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:55:23 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j47NtLb7009072 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 19:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 19:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] Hardware give away II In-Reply-To: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:30:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j481U80V022817 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:30:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481U7g7022813 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:30:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481U7FE026228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:30:07 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481U2ee008998 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:30:02 -0400 Received: from slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com ([71.100.110.74]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IG500EIUDHX5DF8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 07 May 2005 20:29:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:28:46 -0400 From: Mason Mullins Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-reply-to: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <20050507212846.15be8545@slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.191, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2 2.50, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is the driver being loaded before the card is coming up? On Sat, 7 May 2005 11:28:19 -0700 Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I have asked about this before, and have poked and poked at it, what is > at issue is that the eth0 port is not getting set up, the machine is a toshiba > laptop, I think that the eth0 parameters are being sent to it either too soon > (it is a pcmcia nic card) or it is getting partially setup but again possibly > too soon. > > My fix has been to log in and root after the machine has finished booting > do a ifdown eth0 and then do a ifup eth0. > > If I just fo a ifup eth0 it tells me that the device is already configured. > > When I watch the startup screen go by I see it attempt to configure eth0 > it fails and defers it then it does so again, it detects the card speed (10 > mb) but does not appear to load in the ip, mask, gw etc. > > I am trying to figure out where to go in and try make it do that a bit later. > I can see possible places in the rc.d files, but even though I poke at the > run sequences I still can not get the thing to load in the proper configur- > ation beyond the fact that the card is there, but just needs to be pulled > down and then up. > > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 21:31:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481V249022835 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:31:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j481V29h022834 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:31:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481V1lt022826 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:31:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481V1S6026265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:31:01 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481UjAJ001026 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:30:46 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so1461136nzn for ; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=q2Jcs6w9wheTYXAjpdF3V86AS2bI2tgGoho/PgWlIWfCZytE0XSqPAlmcFhH//oDwS/y4kv1WEwS7Eg4jPiQnU23NUD4DyUmZ7EfCahwXWgLNeMjD3I7g3/nnMmk2NjxBa9xcJ5AHxCi1d0USjGyGq8DtNZpQyQN5acBgwPMCtY= Received: by 10.36.77.10 with SMTP id z10mr946751nza; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.17.9 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:30:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:30:45 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4909_16399562.1115515845414" References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.864, required 6, AWL -1.44, BAYES_01 -1.52, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_4909_16399562.1115515845414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline what is this pass the buck. if it is so wacky maybe you should ditch it. On 5/7/05, Eben King wrote:=20 >=20 > So, I have a computer to give away. I got it recently fron Russ Wright; i= t > is, as he said, wacky. >=20 > It has a 16x CD, a drive in a removable caddy (which RW says "The drive > should have something on it. I think is has Suse 8.0 or 9.0"). The power > supply is ~100W, and it has 128 MB RAM. >=20 > So, if anybody wants to take it off my hands (I live in Riverview) (pleas= e > please), mail me. >=20 > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please. > Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad) > http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_4909_16399562.1115515845414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline  what is this pass the buck.  if it is so wacky maybe you should = ditch it.

On 5/7/05, E= ben King <eben1@tampabay.rr= .com> wrote:
So, I have a computer to give aw= ay.  I got it recently fron Russ Wright; it
is, as he said, wa= cky.

It has a 16x CD, a drive in a removable caddy (which RW says "The driv= e
should have something on it.  I think is has Suse 8.0 or 9.0= ").  The power
supply is ~100W, and it has 128 MB RAM.
So, if anybody wants to take it off my hands (I live in Riverview) (pl= ease
please), mail me.

--
-eben    ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm=     home= .tampabay.rr.com/hactar
Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please.
Question: how much should I use?      &nb= sp; (why top-posting is bad)
      http://www.= fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 21:42:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481gM5d022929 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:42:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j481gMPU022928 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:42:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481gMiH022924 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:42:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481gLKN026619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:42:21 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481gBKD001757 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:42:11 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so614738wri for ; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y4yuylU55tT4mOboynX0d1EjYdVLEvv44nPmnZdoZKzwn7Ipk8KHB31mQcSk3UhIN53pvalK1yVJQPKEI4fbOqCU14uLg7MSwVSD3q6Tq4h+ftpw//05/2UVec5xjGL88I24zmBe+omGP4BSrP5Zzv3Stw7z2+PWH5gaw6Z6OfM= Received: by 10.54.73.2 with SMTP id v2mr1740317wra; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.16 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 21:42:11 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II In-Reply-To: <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.042, required 6, AWL 0.86, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j481gMiH022925 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net allways interested in gun range fodder. computers blow up in the strangest ways when you shoot them. On 5/7/05, Robert Snyder wrote: > what is this pass the buck. if it is so wacky maybe you should ditch it. > > > > On 5/7/05, Eben King wrote: > > So, I have a computer to give away. I got it recently fron Russ Wright; > it > > is, as he said, wacky. > > > > It has a 16x CD, a drive in a removable caddy (which RW says "The drive > > should have something on it. I think is has Suse 8.0 or 9.0"). The power > > supply is ~100W, and it has 128 MB RAM. > > > > So, if anybody wants to take it off my hands (I live in Riverview) (please > > please), mail me. > > > > -- > > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > > Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please. > > Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad) > > > http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 21:50:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481oIDl022980 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j481oIa9022979 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481oH3L022975 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481oHwL027019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:17 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j481o8vU010740 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 21:50:08 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so655634rng for ; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:50:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hpe85+GSxx/WJHrbRADqauhg3pXxSvKKEfblaFfQgNuTd8ZTWOZhsz3dYIQR+ze7Q+vZwAf9/AvAGgNw7HwnES0ryFz5Zl5YZ02x+ToOEfUN2y383pKGxb+zqfS4lEFZwmjeN6vpRAhFI0hP4ae6cn4SFeyzKcS1iWifETSBDzI= Received: by 10.38.76.33 with SMTP id y33mr862787rna; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 18:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705050718506c24ca79@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 19:50:07 -0600 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <20050507212846.15be8545@slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> <20050507212846.15be8545@slack-laptop.myhome.westell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.808, required 6, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j481oH3L022976 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/7/05, Mason Mullins wrote: > Is the driver being loaded before the card is coming up? > This is what I am suspecting. It should be visible in the log, I will dig in and see. I am trying to remember where that is being logged. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 22:37:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482bD3q023310 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:37:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j482bDCR023309 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:37:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482bCRG023305 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:37:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482bC4C028981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:37:12 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482b1Gk015124 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:37:01 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j482axGK000313 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] wtmp Filling with connections From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1115519829.5184.10.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.55, required 6, AWL 0.27, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_WT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 21:01 +0000, Chad Sine wrote: > Sluggers + Mike Branda, > > I came across the same basic thing. This solution would remedy the hard > drive filling problem, but will not fix the problem. I wonder if the part > of the kernel that handles the creation of the tty's themselves is borked. Chad, I don't think so. I'm more inclined to think it's agetty. I would focus my research around google keywords like "agetty wtmp utmp fill" or variations thereof. If what Kwan said has any weight, you might try playing with the baud or flag options (man agetty) where agetty is called. In my system it looks like (if I used it) it would be /etc/inittab?? mbranda@Laptop:~> cat /etc/inittab | grep agetty #S0:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L 9600 ttyS0 vt102 does /var/log/messages or /var/log/warn show any clues?? Again, I'll look some more tomorrow. I know that doesn't help you in the here and now but you should try the logrotate thing. It'll buy some time and once you fix the problem it's not hard to pull the logrotate. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 22:43:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482h83o023368 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:43:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j482h8ur023367 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:43:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482h7fN023363 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:43:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482h7db029141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:43:07 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482h1UT015785 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:43:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579F5224 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:41:37 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.619, required 6, AWL -0.71, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > allways interested in gun range fodder. > > computers blow up in the strangest ways when you shoot them. > Always wanted to do this...only problem is that there are no ranges in S. Florida that will let you cart anything metal out there. Most don't even let you use human silhouette targets... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 22:55:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482tIar023437 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:55:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j482tIJd023436 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:55:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482tHQX023432 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:55:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482tH9u029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:55:17 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j482tCg9016403 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:55:12 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j482tApp009396 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 22:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:55:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1115520920.5184.25.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.313, required 6, AWL 0.48, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 11:28 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I have asked about this before, and have poked and poked at it, what is > at issue is that the eth0 port is not getting set up, the machine is a toshiba > laptop, I think that the eth0 parameters are being sent to it either too soon > (it is a pcmcia nic card) or it is getting partially setup but again possibly > too soon. > > My fix has been to log in and root after the machine has finished booting > do a ifdown eth0 and then do a ifup eth0. > > If I just fo a ifup eth0 it tells me that the device is already configured. > > When I watch the startup screen go by I see it attempt to configure eth0 > it fails and defers it then it does so again, it detects the card speed (10 > mb) but does not appear to load in the ip, mask, gw etc. > > I am trying to figure out where to go in and try make it do that a bit later. > I can see possible places in the rc.d files, but even though I poke at the > run sequences I still can not get the thing to load in the proper configur- > ation beyond the fact that the card is there, but just needs to be pulled > down and then up. Depending on your distro and assuming init 5, usually it's in /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/ or /etc/init.d/rc5.d/ or some variation thereof. If you do an ls -la in that directory you'll see a bunch of K's and S's with numbers after them. the K's are things that are killed off in that run level and the S's are things that are started. They trigger in order of increasing number. here's an snip from an ls on my rc5 with the area in question: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-02-07 00:47 S01pcmcia -> ../pcmcia lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-02-07 00:37 S01random -> ../random lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2005-02-07 01:56 S05network -> ../network lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2005-02-07 00:39 S06syslog -> ../syslog If you wanted to start network later (keeping in mind that other things may need network where before they come up) you could do something as simple as "mv S01network S08network" and it would move it. This is a very crude way to do this as most things in the run levels have defaults built in to them as to where they should be and what they are dependent upon but it should get you going to test it. To move it back just reverse the numbers. HTH!! Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 23:01:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48310wf023491 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:01:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48310Jw023490 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:01:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48310UB023486 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:01:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48310jA029597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:01:00 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4830skZ023018 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:00:54 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4830qpp017747 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 23:01:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.007, required 6, AWL -2.01, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 22:41 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > chris lee wrote: > > allways interested in gun range fodder. > > > > computers blow up in the strangest ways when you shoot them. > > > Always wanted to do this...only problem is that there are no ranges in > S. Florida that will let you cart anything metal out there. Most don't > even let you use human silhouette targets... As much as I am starting to like OS X, it's been a semi-frequent daydream of mine to take a quicksilver G4 out into the parking lot and put some holes in that pretty grey apple right in the middle!! It makes a perfect target! Or just drop it off a 10 story building and watch it blow into a billion pieces!! muahahahahaha!!!!! ;^) Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 23:06:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4836Kfd023530 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:06:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4836K4b023529 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:06:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4836Khh023525 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:06:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4836KkN029716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:06:20 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4836GEA023292 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:06:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B787922D for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427D81D4.7070207@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 23:04:52 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.294, required 6, AWL 0.93, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60, TW_HK 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I have asked about this before, and have poked and poked at it, what is > at issue is that the eth0 port is not getting set up, the machine is a toshiba > laptop, I think that the eth0 parameters are being sent to it either too soon > (it is a pcmcia nic card) or it is getting partially setup but again possibly > too soon. > > My fix has been to log in and root after the machine has finished booting > do a ifdown eth0 and then do a ifup eth0. > > If I just fo a ifup eth0 it tells me that the device is already configured. > > When I watch the startup screen go by I see it attempt to configure eth0 > it fails and defers it then it does so again, it detects the card speed (10 > mb) but does not appear to load in the ip, mask, gw etc. > > I am trying to figure out where to go in and try make it do that a bit later. > I can see possible places in the rc.d files, but even though I poke at the > run sequences I still can not get the thing to load in the proper configur- > ation beyond the fact that the card is there, but just needs to be pulled > down and then up. > You sound like you've hit on the head and it's very likely a timing issue. Check your timing belt and spark plug wires to make sure that... oh sorry, wrong manual :D As you've gathered, the /etc/rc.d directory contains the run levels. The files in ./rc1.d, ./rc3.d and ./rc5.d usually contain symlinks to /etc/rc.d/init.d. The symlinks are in the form S##scriptname for startup scripts and K##scriptname for shutdown (kill) scripts. The number after the first letter indicate in which order, from 00 to 99, the script will execute. Normally, to change the order of execution you'd just change the number to something higher. You can either manually rename the link or, if you're using a distribution that supports chkconfig, you can edit the script in /etc/rc.d/init.d and modify the chkconfig comments. They're in the form (from the chkconfig manpage): # chkconfig: 2345 20 80 This says that the random script should be started in levels 2, 3, 4, and 5, that its start priority should be 20, and that its stop priority should be 80. If you edit the start priority to something higher then turn the service on and off it will change the symlink. I.e., once you have changed the line to: # chkconfig: 2345 40 80 Run: [root@ningauble] chkconfig network off [root@ningauble] chkconfig network on If you do an 'ls' in /etc/rc.d/c3.d/ you should see the symlink has been updated. Another option may be to add another script that does nothing but pause for a few seconds in order to give the card time to initialize before configuring the network. Or you can just add it to the end of the pcmcia startup script... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 7 23:15:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j483F3vf023583 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:15:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j483F3sl023582 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:15:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j483F3fx023578 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:15:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j483F2rF029935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:15:03 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j483EpDv010460 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:14:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF50D224 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427D83D7.6050207@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 23:13:27 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> In-Reply-To: <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.496, required 6, AWL -1.50, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mike Branda wrote: > As much as I am starting to like OS X, it's been a semi-frequent > daydream of mine to take a quicksilver G4 out into the parking lot and > put some holes in that pretty grey apple right in the middle!! It makes > a perfect target! Or just drop it off a 10 story building and watch it > blow into a billion pieces!! muahahahahaha!!!!! I've got a bunch of old Apple hardware in my garage and closets... Quadra 650s, a Centris or two, numerous Performas, some beige G3s... Dunno if I could bring myself to drop a couple .223s into them though. As to the IBM 43Ps and miscellaneous Sparc machines -- I would, but from the weight it seems that some of dem tings are built out of metal and concrete so I'd think twice about doing it.. But that eMachines is another story. Give me a clear line of sight, a box of .270s and that thing is history. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 02:40:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j486eRqc025048 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 02:40:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j486eRTS025047 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 02:40:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j486eR4Y025043 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 02:40:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j486eNkY006298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 02:40:27 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j486e70w006333 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 02:40:07 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so667891rng for ; Sat, 07 May 2005 23:40:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dADDBNGHKxTAEx5/oWm0TtXZDlStuvY3enzh4colJa69b+z2tlta0naGDDlzQpcGUv6wBTWEPF+F1WKIYzD3OBWWwILZVpPW8GyjM/bScIF1/x1UN6InZxughi1O+iL5xDM7/gVDoszqdOG1bOwtdKzMVwkBVBjNgbV4y4vZALI= Received: by 10.38.13.44 with SMTP id 44mr922816rnm; Sat, 07 May 2005 23:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Sat, 7 May 2005 23:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570505072340266156d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 00:40:06 -0600 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <427D81D4.7070207@digitalhermit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> <427D81D4.7070207@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.064, required 6, AWL -0.55, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, TW_HK 0.08, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j486eR4Y025044 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/7/05, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > Folks, > > I have asked about this before, and have poked and poked at it, what is > > at issue is that the eth0 port is not getting set up, the machine is a toshiba > > laptop, I think that the eth0 parameters are being sent to it either too soon > > (it is a pcmcia nic card) or it is getting partially setup but again possibly > > too soon. > > > > My fix has been to log in and root after the machine has finished booting > > do a ifdown eth0 and then do a ifup eth0. > > > > If I just fo a ifup eth0 it tells me that the device is already configured. > > > > When I watch the startup screen go by I see it attempt to configure eth0 > > it fails and defers it then it does so again, it detects the card speed (10 > > mb) but does not appear to load in the ip, mask, gw etc. > > > > I am trying to figure out where to go in and try make it do that a bit later. > > I can see possible places in the rc.d files, but even though I poke at the > > run sequences I still can not get the thing to load in the proper configur- > > ation beyond the fact that the card is there, but just needs to be pulled > > down and then up. > > > > You sound like you've hit on the head and it's very likely a timing > issue. Check your timing belt and spark plug wires to make sure that... > oh sorry, wrong manual :D > > As you've gathered, the /etc/rc.d directory contains the run levels. The > files in ./rc1.d, ./rc3.d and ./rc5.d usually contain symlinks to > /etc/rc.d/init.d. The symlinks are in the form S##scriptname for > startup scripts and K##scriptname for shutdown (kill) scripts. The > number after the first letter indicate in which order, from 00 to 99, > the script will execute. > > Normally, to change the order of execution you'd just change the number > to something higher. You can either manually rename the link or, if > you're using a distribution that supports chkconfig, you can edit the > script in /etc/rc.d/init.d and modify the chkconfig comments. They're in > the form (from the chkconfig manpage): > > # chkconfig: 2345 20 80 > > This says that the random script should be started in levels 2, 3, 4, > and 5, that its start priority should be 20, and that its stop priority > should be 80. > > If you edit the start priority to something higher then turn the service > on and off it will change the symlink. I.e., once you have changed the > line to: > > # chkconfig: 2345 40 80 > > Run: > > [root@ningauble] chkconfig network off > [root@ningauble] chkconfig network on > > If you do an 'ls' in /etc/rc.d/c3.d/ you should see the symlink has been > updated. > > Another option may be to add another script that does nothing but pause > for a few seconds in order to give the card time to initialize before > configuring the network. Or you can just add it to the end of the pcmcia > startup script... I am running a variant of Knoppix called Knoppix AFU which is a version done for Amateur radio. All of the rcN.d directories are located in /etc/ (0 thru 6) There is also a rcS.d directory. I checked each of the directories and there is not a symlink to networking which is in the etc/init.d directory. Here is a ls -al of the rc5.d directory root@fpac-dev:/etc/rc5.d# ls -al total 12 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 10 19:49 . drwxr-xr-x 150 root root 8192 May 6 16:37 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 K42ax25 -> /etc/init.d/ax25 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S10sysklogd -> ../init.d/sysklogd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug 30 2004 S11klogd -> ../init.d/klogd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S12kerneld -> ../init.d/kerneld lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S14ppp -> ../init.d/ppp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S15pcmcia -> ../init.d/pcmcia lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug 30 2004 S20inetd -> ../init.d/inetd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S20logoutd -> ../init.d/logoutd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S20makedev -> ../init.d/makedev lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S20ssh -> ../init.d/ssh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S40hotplug -> ../init.d/hotplug lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S80ax25 -> /etc/init.d/ax25 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S89atd -> ../init.d/atd lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Aug 30 2004 S89cron -> ../init.d/cron lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S99rmnologin -> ../init.d/rmnologin root@fpac-dev:/etc/rc5.d# As you can see it is not in there nor is it in the lower ones, of course rc6.d is the shutdown sequence directory... But it IS in the rcS.d directory, here is a ls-al of that one... root@fpac-dev:/etc/rcS.d# ls -al total 16 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 30 2004 . drwxr-xr-x 150 root root 8192 May 6 16:37 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 701 Sep 1 1997 README lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S05keymap.sh -> ../init.d/keymap.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Aug 30 2004 S10checkroot.sh -> ../init.d/checkroot.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S15isapnp -> ../init.d/isapnp lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S20modutils -> ../init.d/modutils lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S30checkfs.sh -> ../init.d/checkfs.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S30procps.sh -> ../init.d/procps.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S30setserial -> ../init.d/setserial lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S35devpts.sh -> ../init.d/devpts.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S35mountall.sh -> ../init.d/mountall.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S39dns-clean -> ../init.d/dns-clean lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S40hostname.sh -> ../init.d/hostname.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S40ifupdown -> ../init.d/ifupdown lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking -> ../init.d/networking lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S41portmap -> ../init.d/portmap lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S45mountnfs.sh -> ../init.d/mountnfs.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Aug 30 2004 S48console-screen.sh -> ../init.d/console-screen.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S50hwclock.sh -> ../init.d/hwclock.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S55bootmisc.sh -> ../init.d/bootmisc.sh lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S55urandom -> ../init.d/urandom root@fpac-dev:/etc/rcS.d# The README in this directory says that this rc directory is scanned at boot time, I think I see the problem now, network is run from this directory but it is not run in any of the rcN.d directories, BUT pcmcia is run from those directories so this would indicate to me that network gets run prior to pcmcia so the pcmcia nic card is not ready to go yet. So, should I add SXXpcmcia and symlink it to pcmcia in the init.d directory or add network in the rcN.d directories? -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 03:02:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4872fO6025184 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 03:02:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4872fh8025183 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 03:02:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4872f6B025179 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 03:02:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4872eoL007156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 03:02:41 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4872J4r014161 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 03:02:19 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so666763wri for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 00:02:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RbbKPpD8ahvPaBL+4wq+WsVzYkXNEpzKNjk6evoBGhqRYpWqwccL+qPjMUPe9qn4XinmfdSbjxduF5gHc26wcz3Wr9AELRsceiRTNovBjj8eRsLG10XWdbntLLy0ATRk1ZeCPqEkEhSzadaGb+CKFHHaOI7jiRfElS7RjfB777A= Received: by 10.54.40.63 with SMTP id n63mr1647966wrn; Sun, 08 May 2005 00:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.16 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 00:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 03:02:19 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II In-Reply-To: <427D83D7.6050207@digitalhermit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> <427D83D7.6050207@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.328, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4872f6B025180 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i have a 1907 Mosin Nagant 91 bolt action in 7,62x54R, they wont let me use anything closer than 100 yards cause they are tired of me blowing out the back of the smaller berms On 5/7/05, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Mike Branda wrote: > > > As much as I am starting to like OS X, it's been a semi-frequent > > daydream of mine to take a quicksilver G4 out into the parking lot and > > put some holes in that pretty grey apple right in the middle!! It makes > > a perfect target! Or just drop it off a 10 story building and watch it > > blow into a billion pieces!! muahahahahaha!!!!! > > I've got a bunch of old Apple hardware in my garage and closets... > Quadra 650s, a Centris or two, numerous Performas, some beige G3s... > Dunno if I could bring myself to drop a couple .223s into them though. > As to the IBM 43Ps and miscellaneous Sparc machines -- I would, but from > the weight it seems that some of dem tings are built out of metal and > concrete so I'd think twice about doing it.. But that eMachines is > another story. Give me a clear line of sight, a box of .270s and that > thing is history. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 11:30:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48FU3Av028668 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:30:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48FU34t028667 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:30:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48FU2SZ028663 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:30:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48FU2Ma028081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:30:02 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48FTvJZ026847 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 11:29:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.100.225.107]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IG600HXNGDX0O55@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 08 May 2005 10:29:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:30:28 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Quickcam on Mandrake 10.1 To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200505081130.28125.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.939, required 6, AWL 0.43, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am trying (rather unsuccessfully) to get my Logitech Quickcam Express working under Mandrake 10.1 Official kernel 2.6.8.1-12mdk. I found this site http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ and downloaded their module program. In trying to compile this module I get the error "Invalid module format". A google search indicated old module-init-tools, but mine are mine are current. Any ideas? Thanks in advance Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 15:34:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48JY0SZ030221 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:34:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48JY0N8030220 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:34:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48JXxfc030216 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:33:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48JXxWA003648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:33:59 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48JXluh014146 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:33:47 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j48JXjpp020629 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <620c90570505072340266156d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> <427D81D4.7070207@digitalhermit.com> <620c90570505072340266156d7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 15:33:56 -0400 Message-Id: <1115580836.5233.11.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.732, required 6, AWL -0.54, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 00:40 -0600, Chuck Hast wrote: > > I am running a variant of Knoppix called Knoppix AFU which is a version > done for Amateur radio. > All of the rcN.d directories are located in /etc/ (0 thru 6) There is also a > rcS.d directory. > > I checked each of the directories and there is not a symlink to networking > which is in the etc/init.d directory. > > Here is a ls -al of the rc5.d directory > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rc5.d# ls -al > total 12 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 10 19:49 . > drwxr-xr-x 150 root root 8192 May 6 16:37 .. > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 K42ax25 -> > /etc/init.d/ax25 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S10sysklogd -> > ../init.d/sysklogd > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug 30 2004 S11klogd -> > ../init.d/klogd > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S12kerneld -> > ../init.d/kerneld > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S14ppp -> ../init.d/ppp > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S15pcmcia -> > ../init.d/pcmcia > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug 30 2004 S20inetd -> > ../init.d/inetd > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S20logoutd -> > ../init.d/logoutd > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S20makedev -> > ../init.d/makedev > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S20ssh -> ../init.d/ssh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S40hotplug -> > ../init.d/hotplug > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S80ax25 -> > /etc/init.d/ax25 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S89atd -> ../init.d/atd > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Aug 30 2004 S89cron -> > ../init.d/cron > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S99rmnologin > -> ../init.d/rmnologin > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rc5.d# > > As you can see it is not in there nor is it in the lower ones, of > course rc6.d is > the shutdown sequence directory... > > But it IS in the rcS.d directory, here is a ls-al of that one... > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rcS.d# ls -al > total 16 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 30 2004 . > drwxr-xr-x 150 root root 8192 May 6 16:37 .. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 701 Sep 1 1997 README > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S05keymap.sh > -> ../init.d/keymap.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Aug 30 2004 > S10checkroot.sh -> ../init.d/checkroot.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S15isapnp -> > ../init.d/isapnp > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S20modutils -> > ../init.d/modutils > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S30checkfs.sh > -> ../init.d/checkfs.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S30procps.sh > -> ../init.d/procps.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S30setserial > -> ../init.d/setserial > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S35devpts.sh > -> ../init.d/devpts.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S35mountall.sh > -> ../init.d/mountall.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S39dns-clean > -> ../init.d/dns-clean > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S40hostname.sh > -> ../init.d/hostname.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S40ifupdown -> > ../init.d/ifupdown > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking > -> ../init.d/networking > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S41portmap -> > ../init.d/portmap > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S45mountnfs.sh > -> ../init.d/mountnfs.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Aug 30 2004 > S48console-screen.sh -> ../init.d/console-screen.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S50hwclock.sh > -> ../init.d/hwclock.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S55bootmisc.sh > -> ../init.d/bootmisc.sh > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S55urandom -> > ../init.d/urandom > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rcS.d# > > The README in this directory says that this rc directory is scanned at > boot time, I > think I see the problem now, network is run from this directory but it > is not run in > any of the rcN.d directories, BUT pcmcia is run from those directories > so this would > indicate to me that network gets run prior to pcmcia so the pcmcia nic > card is not > ready to go yet. So, should I add SXXpcmcia and symlink it to pcmcia > in the init.d > directory or add network in the rcN.d directories? > Chuck, I'm pretty sure that S is synonymous for single user mode (init 1). If indeed you are in runlevel 5 (execute the command "runlevel" in the root shell path) then I would try running it by hand first (/etc/init.d/networking start) then add the symlink if it fixes your problem. The weird thing is that you say it tries to set it up but fails. That would suggest that the init is crossing something that tries to set the card up. You said it's a pcmcia card right?? Maybe S15pcmcia is doing something.... Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 15:42:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48JgoZp030305 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:42:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48Jgoqg030304 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:42:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48Jgneq030300 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:42:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48Jgnft003894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:42:49 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48Jgem3014668 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:42:40 -0400 Received: from DaddyLaptop.site (6532249hfc155.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.249.155]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j48JgbGK014273 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Quickcam on Mandrake 10.1 From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200505081130.28125.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> References: <200505081130.28125.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 15:42:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1115581368.5233.17.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.526, required 6, AWL 0.37, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 11:30 -0400, Joe Brandt wrote: > I am trying (rather unsuccessfully) to get my Logitech Quickcam Express > working under Mandrake 10.1 Official kernel 2.6.8.1-12mdk. > > I found this site http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/ and downloaded their > module program. In trying to compile this module I get the error "Invalid > module format". > > A google search indicated old module-init-tools, but mine are mine are > current. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance > Joe Brandt Joe, I didn't check the link and the module details but as a quick thought, the 2.6 kernels use .ko modules instead of the 2.4 .o's. Usually there is some code that has been patched to things that are 2.6 compatible to allow for the differences (modversions.h is a big one). You might start there. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 16:13:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48KDElt030469 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:13:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48KDEEi030468 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:13:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48KDDlp030464 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:13:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48KDDFT004813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:13:13 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48KD1CJ017712 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:13:01 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so1590263nzn for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NpaNH/l9iSLbTlRWxfcyeWFIZPnlW3Ik9ZhwXnNUR/5ZnV/r8r1lx8xqbErGLNWP0C6fvaP+iXg1GB4M72jf+NyFXdRdBHRHaBu2H7/HbMzKkUtgaowxwZXABpMKA1ezRhmr+i0w7mTjdkqppIt4hA0r1a8MbWZhbUX63XPsMgs= Received: by 10.36.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr988881nza; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.17.9 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 13:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298605050813131c10eea6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:13:00 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II In-Reply-To: <427D83D7.6050207@digitalhermit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1257_14176327.1115583180635" References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> <427D83D7.6050207@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.559, required 6, AWL -1.66, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1257_14176327.1115583180635 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/7/05, Kwan Lowe wrote:=20 >=20 > Mike Branda wrote: >=20 > > As much as I am starting to like OS X, it's been a semi-frequent > > daydream of mine to take a quicksilver G4 out into the parking lot and > > put some holes in that pretty grey apple right in the middle!! It makes > > a perfect target! Or just drop it off a 10 story building and watch it > > blow into a billion pieces!! muahahahahaha!!!!! >=20 > I've got a bunch of old Apple hardware in my garage and closets... > Quadra 650s, a Centris or two, numerous Performas, some beige G3s... > Dunno if I could bring myself to drop a couple .223s into them though. > As to the IBM 43Ps and miscellaneous Sparc machines -- I would, but from > the weight it seems that some of dem tings are built out of metal and > concrete so I'd think twice about doing it.. But that eMachines is > another story. Give me a clear line of sight, a box of .270s and that > thing is history. There are still plenty of uses left for sparc machines and even an old IB= M=20 43p has a place in the world. Now I cant say there is much use for 68k macs any more when emulators such= =20 as Basilisk II Hmm old 40mhz 68040 or a P4 2.0 that emulates 1.6 ghz 68040= =20 hmm tuff choice. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_1257_14176327.1115583180635 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 5/7/05, K= wan Lowe <kwan@digitalherm= it.com> wrote:
Mike Branda wrote:

> A= s much as I am starting to like OS X,  it's been a semi-frequent<= br>> daydream of mine to take a quicksilver G4 out into the parking lot = and
> put some holes in that pretty grey apple right in the middle!!&nbs= p; It makes
> a perfect target!  Or just drop it off a= 10 story building and watch it
> blow into a billion pieces!! &= nbsp;muahahahahaha!!!!!

I've got a bunch of old Apple hardware in my garage and closets...
Q= uadra 650s, a Centris or two, numerous Performas, some beige G3s...
Dunn= o if I could bring myself to drop a couple .223s into them though.
As to= the IBM 43Ps and miscellaneous Sparc machines -- I would, but from
the weight it seems that some of dem tings are built out of metal andconcrete so I'd think twice about doing it.. But that eMachines is
ano= ther story. Give me a clear line of sight, a box of .270s and that
thing= is history.
 
 
There are still plenty of uses left for sparc machines and even an old= IBM 43p has a place in the world.
 
Now I cant say there is much use for 68k macs any more when emulators = such as Basilisk II Hmm old 40mhz 68040 or a P4 2.0 that emulates 1.6 ghz 6= 8040  hmm tuff choice.
 
 
 
 

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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 17:07:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48L7Y8Y030830 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:07:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48L7Y4c030829 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:07:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48L7XZS030825 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:07:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48L7Xk2006701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:07:33 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48L7Mjs022530 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:07:22 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so713990rng for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PoLGk4w7zPYsaYplPsxE47oFHYonCqBfUmgWHRcm/P72KGXGyu5d9iVtZ4USOERBz7e52KfZfIP59vfhfFR9EH2vmF57g/noIVgWkHBr1oVMvBiuDI4alqwaiaIy7DNThP5EetFKlNFrgFNEiTyLG2jtB98AC4Kxequ5MV0zYY0= Received: by 10.38.90.57 with SMTP id n57mr1182684rnb; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:07:21 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <1115580836.5233.11.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> <427D81D4.7070207@digitalhermit.com> <620c90570505072340266156d7@mail.gmail.com> <1115580836.5233.11.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.958, required 6, AWL -0.77, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j48L7XZS030826 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/8/05, Mike Branda wrote: > On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 00:40 -0600, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > > I am running a variant of Knoppix called Knoppix AFU which is a version > > done for Amateur radio. > > All of the rcN.d directories are located in /etc/ (0 thru 6) There is also a > > rcS.d directory. > > > > I checked each of the directories and there is not a symlink to networking > > which is in the etc/init.d directory. > > > > Here is a ls -al of the rc5.d directory > > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rc5.d# ls -al > > total 12 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 10 19:49 . > > drwxr-xr-x 150 root root 8192 May 6 16:37 .. > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 K42ax25 -> > > /etc/init.d/ax25 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S10sysklogd -> > > ../init.d/sysklogd > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug 30 2004 S11klogd -> > > ../init.d/klogd > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S12kerneld -> > > ../init.d/kerneld > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S14ppp -> ../init.d/ppp > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S15pcmcia -> > > ../init.d/pcmcia > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug 30 2004 S20inetd -> > > ../init.d/inetd > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S20logoutd -> > > ../init.d/logoutd > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S20makedev -> > > ../init.d/makedev > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S20ssh -> ../init.d/ssh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S40hotplug -> > > ../init.d/hotplug > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S80ax25 -> > > /etc/init.d/ax25 > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 30 2004 S89atd -> ../init.d/atd > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Aug 30 2004 S89cron -> > > ../init.d/cron > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S99rmnologin > > -> ../init.d/rmnologin > > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rc5.d# > > > > As you can see it is not in there nor is it in the lower ones, of > > course rc6.d is > > the shutdown sequence directory... > > > > But it IS in the rcS.d directory, here is a ls-al of that one... > > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rcS.d# ls -al > > total 16 > > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 30 2004 . > > drwxr-xr-x 150 root root 8192 May 6 16:37 .. > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 701 Sep 1 1997 README > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S05keymap.sh > > -> ../init.d/keymap.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Aug 30 2004 > > S10checkroot.sh -> ../init.d/checkroot.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 30 2004 S15isapnp -> > > ../init.d/isapnp > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S20modutils -> > > ../init.d/modutils > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S30checkfs.sh > > -> ../init.d/checkfs.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S30procps.sh > > -> ../init.d/procps.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S30setserial > > -> ../init.d/setserial > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S35devpts.sh > > -> ../init.d/devpts.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S35mountall.sh > > -> ../init.d/mountall.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Aug 30 2004 S39dns-clean > > -> ../init.d/dns-clean > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S40hostname.sh > > -> ../init.d/hostname.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Aug 30 2004 S40ifupdown -> > > ../init.d/ifupdown > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking > > -> ../init.d/networking > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S41portmap -> > > ../init.d/portmap > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S45mountnfs.sh > > -> ../init.d/mountnfs.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 Aug 30 2004 > > S48console-screen.sh -> ../init.d/console-screen.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S50hwclock.sh > > -> ../init.d/hwclock.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Aug 30 2004 S55bootmisc.sh > > -> ../init.d/bootmisc.sh > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 30 2004 S55urandom -> > > ../init.d/urandom > > root@fpac-dev:/etc/rcS.d# > > > > The README in this directory says that this rc directory is scanned at > > boot time, I > > think I see the problem now, network is run from this directory but it > > is not run in > > any of the rcN.d directories, BUT pcmcia is run from those directories > > so this would > > indicate to me that network gets run prior to pcmcia so the pcmcia nic > > card is not > > ready to go yet. So, should I add SXXpcmcia and symlink it to pcmcia > > in the init.d > > directory or add network in the rcN.d directories? > > > > Chuck, > > I'm pretty sure that S is synonymous for single user mode (init 1). If S = boot level start up (I think it is init 1) it is the only place that network is called in all of the rcX.d files.... > indeed you are in runlevel 5 (execute the command "runlevel" in the root > shell path) then I would try running it by hand first >From the command prompt I indeed get run level 5. > (/etc/init.d/networking start) then add the symlink if it fixes your > problem. The weird thing is that you say it tries to set it up but > fails. That would suggest that the init is crossing something that > tries to set the card up. You said it's a pcmcia card right?? Maybe > S15pcmcia is doing something.... > Just to get int up and running I put the following hack in my ax25 start up file ifdown eth0 (generates a error code but if I do not do it the next one fails) ifup eth0 (this gets it all up and running just fine, but the hack is UGLY) I can do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" manually and it will restart the network just fine (it was already running just eth0 was hosed). I was thinking about how to get the simlink to call networking restart as it just looks like it is pointing to the file, I guess there must be some way to pass a command to it in order to do a restart... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 17:28:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48LSALa031022 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:28:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48LSA39031021 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:28:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48LS9C8031017 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:28:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48LS9cD007679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:28:09 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48LS2fI023948 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:28:02 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j48LS0pq005373 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:27:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I can do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" manually and it will restart the > network just fine (it was already running just eth0 was hosed). > I was thinking about how to get the simlink to call networking restart as it > just looks like it is pointing to the file, I guess there must be some way to > pass a command to it in order to do a restart... "service networking restart"? Or maybe "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0"? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII character. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 17:43:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48LhsEW031139 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:43:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48LhsUO031138 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:43:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48Lhruh031134 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:43:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48Lhrv1008395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:43:53 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48Lhl8G025961 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:43:47 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so716271rng for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:43:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RMnRkqXusDG4FVIaE3SN+kYa/CyKFq1WbWgLyteD+jqeYxLgpWG+M2ADJXEWNUjacDrpWjPyeEzgmZQKR7rkAdIdQxibfPQeYX1F8BPGBDhtXG61wVK4dhedA4NnL43xgYNY9lbStiHHbpEwmFTrGCXCy1+j9cubVyjVqkeekds= Received: by 10.38.13.44 with SMTP id 44mr1197994rnm; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 14:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 14:43:47 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.23, required 6, AWL -0.44, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j48Lhruh031135 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/8/05, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 8 May 2005, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > I can do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" manually and it will restart the > > network just fine (it was already running just eth0 was hosed). > > I was thinking about how to get the simlink to call networking restart as it > > just looks like it is pointing to the file, I guess there must be some way to > > pass a command to it in order to do a restart... > > "service networking restart"? Or maybe "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0"? Doing it manually it is just fine, but I am trying to figure out how the symlink would call networking restart? it is linking to a file, but I do not see how to cause the link to issue the command. Perhaps i am being dense here... Here is what the entry from rcS.d for networking looks like lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking -> ../init.d/networking I need it to be networking restart. Will the ln command allow you to create a symlink to a file and add a argument? -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 18:15:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MFO5c031312 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:15:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48MFO3S031311 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:15:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MFOQf031307 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:15:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MFO8E009797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:15:24 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MFDn6021989 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:15:14 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j48MFBGL027399 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 18:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On 5/8/05, Eben King wrote: > > On Sun, 8 May 2005, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > > I can do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" manually and it will restart the > > > network just fine (it was already running just eth0 was hosed). > > > I was thinking about how to get the simlink to call networking restart as it > > > just looks like it is pointing to the file, I guess there must be some way to > > > pass a command to it in order to do a restart... > > > > "service networking restart"? Or maybe "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0"? > > Doing it manually it is just fine, but I am trying to figure out how the > symlink would call networking restart? it is linking to a file, but I do > not see how to cause the link to issue the command. Perhaps i am being > dense here... > > Here is what the entry from rcS.d for networking looks like > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking > -> ../init.d/networking > > I need it to be networking restart. Will the ln command allow you to create a > symlink to a file and add a argument? I don't think so. But if you include both the K??networking and S??networking scripts, the K one will get run first, so that may do what you want. May, anyhow. Or, copy an existing script and modify it to do what you want. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Are you confident that you appear to be professional in your electronic communication? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 18:22:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MMCA8031424 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:22:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48MMC5S031423 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:22:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MMCCt031419 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:22:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MMB7n010217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:22:12 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MLFD9001959 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:21:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E02B224 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427E90DA.1000509@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:21:14 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set References: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.119, required 6, AWL 0.67, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Doing it manually it is just fine, but I am trying to figure out how the symlink > would call networking restart? it is linking to a file, but I do not see how to > cause the link to issue the command. Perhaps i am being dense here... > > Here is what the entry from rcS.d for networking looks like > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking > -> ../init.d/networking > > I need it to be networking restart. Will the ln command allow you to create a > symlink to a file and add a argument? > The symlinks are executed by the rc program (/etc/rc.d/rc). Briefly, it runs the symlink with a "start" or "stop" parameter, depending on what runlevel the box is in. Check out the rc script to see how it works. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 18:25:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MPf92031467 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:25:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48MPfBs031466 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:25:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MPfVS031462 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:25:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MPeG6010586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:25:40 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MPT6c002709 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:25:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A06722D for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427E91D8.6050101@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:25:28 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set References: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.847, required 6, AWL 0.34, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Doing it manually it is just fine, but I am trying to figure out how the symlink > would call networking restart? it is linking to a file, but I do not see how to > cause the link to issue the command. Perhaps i am being dense here... > > Here is what the entry from rcS.d for networking looks like > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking->../init.d/networking To clarify, the symlink itself is not causing the start/stop. It's the rc program passing the "start" or perhaps "restart" parameter. Take a look at the "networking" script -- or post it here -- to dissect what's occurring. > I need it to be networking restart. Will the ln command allow you to create a > symlink to a file and add a argument? BTW, some distros have an rc.local file that executes after everything else. You can add the line "service networking restart" or "/etc/rc.d/init.d/networking restart" to the end of rc.local to have it done automatically. I generally dislike putting networking commands in rc.local, but it's a quick way to get this done. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 18:29:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MTsSx031497 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:29:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48MTsD6031496 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:29:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MTs7e031492 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:29:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MTsmd010709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:29:54 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48MTh5a023817 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 18:29:43 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so718547rng for ; Sun, 08 May 2005 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mE/7AAKO7dBUUn4idejOVzAD0JlXxMtID1V772MNXf7gA8QqVwf2BbNEg+QgT5ASKYfQigUSvfmjuCbme8ToF5PwXr9XztCbOD5vkXjVr2ba9YielBGfnaemcjXWE6Pdo4IdMtR2j2ETvXPwsSBg0W1IsdKQgVRAoQsVbN+Lo98= Received: by 10.38.10.53 with SMTP id 53mr1211777rnj; Sun, 08 May 2005 15:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Sun, 8 May 2005 15:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570505081529470320f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 15:29:43 -0700 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <427E90DA.1000509@digitalhermit.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> <427E90DA.1000509@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.021, required 6, AWL -0.23, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j48MTs7e031493 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/8/05, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Doing it manually it is just fine, but I am trying to figure out how the symlink > > would call networking restart? it is linking to a file, but I do not see how to > > cause the link to issue the command. Perhaps i am being dense here... > > > > Here is what the entry from rcS.d for networking looks like > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking > > -> ../init.d/networking > > > > I need it to be networking restart. Will the ln command allow you to create a > > symlink to a file and add a argument? > > > Ahh yes.. a K10networking followed down the line by a S40networking... I shall try that... I was not thinking in terms of just killing the whole thing which is what I think the restart in the networking script does... the K10 will have it killed prior to the S40... -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 19:27:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48NRL3N031888 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:27:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j48NRLLm031887 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:27:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48NRKKB031883 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:27:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48NRKw8012910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:27:20 -0400 Received: from pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net (pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.121.251]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j48NR8Gx004436 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 19:27:09 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-a065d10.pas.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1DUvAy-0000bn-00; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:27:08 -0700 Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net Cc: Chuck Hast In-Reply-To: <620c90570505081529470320f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> <427E90DA.1000509@digitalhermit.com> <620c90570505081529470320f5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-liDRPEHuPB0BZPn5iWMu" Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:25:32 -0400 Message-Id: <1115594732.18241.53.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.899, required 6, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -4.90, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-liDRPEHuPB0BZPn5iWMu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys are barking up the wrong tree. What you need to do is check your /etc/network/interfaces file, and make sure that you have some kind of setup for dhcp or whatever kind of network you need at boot time. When you do networking restart, you're causing dhcp to run, but it's not happening when you start up. So the place to make this change is in /etc/network/interfaces.=20 HTH Russell On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 15:29 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/8/05, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > Chuck Hast wrote: > >=20 > > > Doing it manually it is just fine, but I am trying to figure out how = the symlink > > > would call networking restart? it is linking to a file, but I do not = see how to > > > cause the link to issue the command. Perhaps i am being dense here... > > > > > > Here is what the entry from rcS.d for networking looks like > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 30 2004 S40networking > > > -> ../init.d/networking > > > > > > I need it to be networking restart. Will the ln command allow you to = create a > > > symlink to a file and add a argument? > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > Ahh yes.. a K10networking followed down the line by a S40networking... > I shall try that... I was not thinking in terms of just killing the whole= thing > which is what I think the restart in the networking script does... the K1= 0 > will have it killed prior to the S40... >=20 --=20 Russell Hires --=-liDRPEHuPB0BZPn5iWMu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCfp/sAqKGrvVshJQRAiWPAKCU3iRJnxLqjTQzlsAtaC2GR3PPtQCfcoNY oH4AXe/ykaOYCJxk06Rcn6Q= =kPIM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-liDRPEHuPB0BZPn5iWMu-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 22:57:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j492vPlm000785 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:57:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j492vPhm000784 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:57:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j492vPoR000780 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:57:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j492vAaG020721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:57:25 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j492un2n027489 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:57:03 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.12] (6532231hfc86.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.231.86]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j492ulEg023143 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 22:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II From: 404 To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 23:05:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1115607921.26549.11.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.706, required 6, AWL 1.61, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS 0.58) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 23:01 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > As much as I am starting to like OS X, it's been a semi-frequent > daydream of mine to take a quicksilver G4 out into the parking lot and > put some holes in that pretty grey apple right in the middle!! It makes > a perfect target! Or just drop it off a 10 story building and watch it > blow into a billion pieces!! muahahahahaha!!!!! I will GLADLY take that quicksilver off your hands if you are going to use it for target practice!! I need some more Apple hardware! Matt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 8 23:50:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j493oMIG001176 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:50:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j493oMCC001175 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:50:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j493oLxH001171 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:50:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j493oLUB022481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:50:21 -0400 Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j493oBoe031998 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 23:50:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 8901 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2005 03:50:10 -0000 Received: from user-24-96-10-237.knology.net (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (photo.man@24.96.10.237) by smtp5.knology.net with SMTP; 9 May 2005 03:50:10 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II From: John Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1115607921.26549.11.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> References: <1115086144.4577.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <31f1298605050718307cb967c5@mail.gmail.com> <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> <1115521261.5184.30.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> <1115607921.26549.11.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1115610272.5718.71.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 23:44:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.465, required 6, AWL -1.74, BAYES_20 -1.43, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Apple? How about vintage hardware? Got some. On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 23:05, 404 wrote: > On Sat, 2005-05-07 at 23:01 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > > As much as I am starting to like OS X, it's been a semi-frequent > > daydream of mine to take a quicksilver G4 out into the parking lot and > > put some holes in that pretty grey apple right in the middle!! It makes > > a perfect target! Or just drop it off a 10 story building and watch it > > blow into a billion pieces!! muahahahahaha!!!!! > > I will GLADLY take that quicksilver off your hands if you are going to > use it for target practice!! I need some more Apple hardware! > > Matt > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 01:30:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495UpbV001867 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:30:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j495UpOF001866 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:30:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495Up8Y001862 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:30:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495Uono027429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:30:51 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495UbWq010931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:30:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 8690 invoked from network); 9 May 2005 05:30:36 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 9 May 2005 05:30:36 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 204A5125339; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:22:08 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050509052208.204A5125339@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 01:22:08 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.611, required 6, AWL 1.29, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 10 May 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 01:46:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495k2xf001975 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:46:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j495k2we001974 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:46:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495k17B001970 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:46:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495k1Uw028083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:46:01 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j495jpdR009165 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 01:45:51 -0400 Received: from pool-14.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.194] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11c/96) id 4N5IN00 for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 01:44:58 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Thunderbird Mail Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 23:40:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505082340.52799.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.665, required 6, AWL -1.14, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Slugggers, Presently using Mozilla and Kmail. Thought I would try Thunderbird. Downloaded the latest from the Mozilla site. Installed fine, can retreive my mail OK. Two problems which have to be a configuration thing. If I "click" on a link in Thunderbird nothing happens. Get a flash of a blank screen and then am returned to Thunderbird. Same thing happens when I "click" on an email link. Any ideas ?? Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(209.216.87.201) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 9 May 2005 06:24:59 -0000 Message-ID: <427F023A.4070009@ij.net> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 02:24:58 -0400 From: Scott Piper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050105 Debian/1.7.5-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set References: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> <427E90DA.1000509@digitalhermit.com> <620c90570505081529470320f5@mail.gmail.com> <1115594732.18241.53.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> In-Reply-To: <1115594732.18241.53.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I agree with Russell. Debian distributions use the /etc/network/interfaces to set up the networking. You should have the option "auto" before eth0 to have it set up automatically on boot up. See man interfaces for an explanation. btw, if you really have to you could use a pre-up option and run things before the network is brought up. I did that once when I had a USB network adapter on a semi portable machine. If it was plugged in when I booted then networking was set up (I checked /proc to see if the usb adapter was present). If not, then I didn't try to set up the networking on boot. Also, if you are playing with the links in /etc/rc?.d in a Debian distro, you should use update-rc.d to do it. scott Russell Hires wrote: >You guys are barking up the wrong tree. What you need to do is check >your /etc/network/interfaces file, and make sure that you have some kind >of setup for dhcp or whatever kind of network you need at boot time. >When you do networking restart, you're causing dhcp to run, but it's not >happening when you start up. So the place to make this change is >in /etc/network/interfaces. > >HTH > >Russell > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 07:54:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49BsVI0004540 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 07:54:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j49BsV0k004539 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 07:54:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49BsVOi004535 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 07:54:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49BsVtu011302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 07:54:31 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49BsHlm005563 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 07:54:17 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so778402rng for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:54:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kmsADxT65gCDL+DaCPuQId6fqLIvI8KMrCpTxYcI5nV3Tj8HQIx77FZQOXOzRlP9XWJ9j5zlvIONlSfh8gtEKILvFSWWycV64zzkFfYQxNy0b1UUJktVFnnryQxRXNBr9mH75ennfkFP3ttCT5r72GIRagPSQTyBNT0Y0u+PM5c= Received: by 10.38.13.44 with SMTP id 44mr1450170rnm; Mon, 09 May 2005 04:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2005 04:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057050509045415941283@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 05:54:16 -0600 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <427F023A.4070009@ij.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> <620c905705050814432332d057@mail.gmail.com> <427E90DA.1000509@digitalhermit.com> <620c90570505081529470320f5@mail.gmail.com> <1115594732.18241.53.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <427F023A.4070009@ij.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.566, required 6, AWL 0.33, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j49BsVOi004536 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/9/05, Scott Piper wrote: > I agree with Russell. Debian distributions use the > /etc/network/interfaces to set up the networking. You should have the > option "auto" before eth0 to have it set up automatically on boot up. > See man interfaces for an explanation. > > btw, if you really have to you could use a pre-up option and run things > before the network is brought up. I did that once when I had a USB > network adapter on a semi portable machine. If it was plugged in when I > booted then networking was set up (I checked /proc to see if the usb > adapter was present). If not, then I didn't try to set up the > networking on boot. > > Also, if you are playing with the links in /etc/rc?.d in a Debian > distro, you should use update-rc.d to do it. > Here is what is in my interfaces file: root@fpac-dev:/etc/network# less interfaces # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface # automatically added when upgrading auto lo eth0 #iface lo inet loopback # Wireless Card interface setup #iface wlan0 inet static # address 192.168.1.150 # network 192.168.1.0 # netmask 255.255.255.0 # broadcast 192.168.1.255 # gateway 192.168.1.1 # wireless essid wireless # wireless_mode managed # iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.105 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 interfaces I know that it can be called as if I do either ifup eth0 it will read it and set the parameters for the above or if I do a networking restart again it will read interfaces and set things up properly, it appears to me to be a timing issue, i.e. it is trying to set the networking prior to the pcmcia nic card being ready. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 09:57:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49DvE53005339 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:57:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j49DvEkQ005338 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:57:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49DvDNp005334 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:57:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49Dv8f5016572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:57:13 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (d3-107.rb5.clm.centurytel.net [69.29.98.107]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49DuvPj026731 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 09:56:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.9] (unknown [192.168.10.9]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BD41498FC for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 08:56:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <427F6BF1.6040006@glennmeyer.com> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 08:56:01 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] power issues on laptop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.653, required 6, AWL 1.25, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I use a Compaq Armada M700 Pentium 3 (700MHz) laptop. I'm having problems with the system completely and immediately freezing up whenever the power is connected or disconnected from the laptop. I'm currently using Slackware 10.1 but had the same issue with Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS 4.0 Can someone help me understand how Linux works with the hardware for power management? Am I looking up the right tree? Thank you! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 15:21:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49JLUdv007455 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j49JLU9d007454 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49JLTfQ007450 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49JLL72028210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:29 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49JLA7V024356 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:15 -0400 Received: from SERVER5.stsppdom.stspandp.org (rrcs-24-227-124-93.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.124.93]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j49JL7pp008989 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server4 ([172.16.32.11]) by SERVER5.stsppdom.stspandp.org with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 9 May 2005 15:25:40 -0400 From: "patrick grantham" To: Subject: [SLUG] procmail Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:25:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVUhfeFD856a35tRtqS9QOEj1UTrgARmO0w In-Reply-To: <620c9057050509045415941283@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.224 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 May 2005 19:25:40.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[E2DA0E10:01C554CC] X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I need to use procmail to filter emails with an (_info.zip, think Sobor.0 virus.) A client of mine is getting clobbered with them. Rather than rely on the antivirus app to screen it, I want to use procmail to send the email to "bit bucket" Where is the best place to get started with procmail? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 16:19:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KJC8C007817 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:19:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j49KJCsB007816 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:19:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KJBVr007812 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:19:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KJB6D029993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:19:11 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KIxBX028907 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:18:59 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C191A247E4 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] procmail From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 16:18:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1115669934.19607.22.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.381, required 6, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 15:25 -0400, patrick grantham wrote: > I need to use procmail to filter emails with an (_info.zip, think Sobor.0 > virus.) A client of mine is getting clobbered with them. Rather than rely > on the antivirus app to screen it, I want to use procmail to send the email > to "bit bucket" Where is the best place to get started with procmail? I used a combination of the following: /usr/share/doc/packages/procmail/ (maybe different for your distro) http://www.umbi.umd.edu/computing/procmail.html And depending on whether you use postfix or sendmail there are several google results for both keywords with procmail. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 16:29:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KT6FJ007907 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:29:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j49KT6sE007906 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:29:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KT6ta007902 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:29:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KT5I8030258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:29:06 -0400 Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49KSsZn029711 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:28:54 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVEs1-0005LJ-5D for slug@nks.net; Mon, 09 May 2005 16:28:54 -0400 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AA52470CA0C for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2005 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57229.66.15.89.64.1115670844.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: References: <620c9057050509045415941283@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 16:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] procmail From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac06b48d29827cfba202e9bde22a55476377b4d027af3e2783d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.924, required 6, AWL -0.99, BAYES_44 -0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j49KT6ta007903 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net patrick grantham said: > I need to use procmail to filter emails with an (_info.zip, think Sobor.0 > virus.) A client of mine is getting clobbered with them. Rather than rely > on the antivirus app to screen it, I want to use procmail to send the email > to "bit bucket" Where is the best place to get started with procmail? > If your looking for a book on Procmail: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201737906/ref=ase_webprogramminboo/026-8972717-8050000 It's been a long time since I've messed with Procmail, so I'm not really in the position to give tips. But that book was very helpful when I was learning/using it. However, it may be that Procmail isn't the best way to handle this situation. Every new virus is going to have a different attachment name, and you'll have to go in and adjust for it. If you can, use something like amavisd-new or Mailscanner with ClamAV and/or BitDefender. All free as in beer, but BitDefender isn't OpenSource. HTH Doug -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 18:11:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49MBvVw008539 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:11:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j49MBvSD008538 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49MBvlD008534 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49MBusG000976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:11:56 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j49MBgQ8002496 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 18:11:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532235hfc69.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.235.69]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDEAFFB3F for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 15:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Acrobat T Chinese font script problems Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 18:13:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505091813.56231.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.295, required 6, AWL -3.49, BAYES_44 -0.00, FS_SINGLE_LETTER 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_65 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_72 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_SUB_LETTER_1 0.69) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have both Acrobat 5.0 and Acrobat 7.0 for linux. I'm trying to view this PDF that has Chinese fonts: ftp://ftp1.leadtek.com/voip/W050942_A(E).pdf I'm having problems loading the fonts via the script provided by Adobe. You can get the font packs here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrasianfontpack.html Below is the script for 5.x. It dies with the following error: ERROR: Could not find distribution ... aborting I've tried to hack off the license stuff and the distribution checker. It executes, but I don't see the fonts populate. What should I do? /mario ----------------------- #!/bin/sh # # Install Script for Acrobat Language Kit # # Copyright (c)1998-2002 Adobe Systems Incorporated # All Rights Reserved # ########################################################################## success=0 failure=1 ########################################################################## echoawk() { echo $* | awk '{ printf "%s", $0 }' } echon() { echo -n "$*" } echoc() { $EchoCommand "${*}\c" } InitEchonl() { if [ -x "/bin/echo" ] ; then EchoCommand="/bin/echo" fi if [ -x "/usr/bin/echo" ] ; then EchoCommand="/usr/bin/echo" fi if [ `$EchoCommand "x\c"` = "x" ] ; then echonl=echoc else echonl=echon fi } ########################################################################## yesno() { msg="$1" def="$2" while true ; do echo " " $echonl "$msg [$def] " read answer if [ "$answer" ] ; then case "$answer" in y|Y|yes|YES) return 0 ;; n|N|no|NO) return 1 ;; *) echo " " echo "ERROR: Invalid response, expected \"yes\" or \"no\"." continue ;; esac else if [ "$def" = "y" ] then return 0 else return 1 fi fi done } ########################################################################## FindDistFiles() { # Get the filenames: for i in ${ScriptDirectory}/* ; do if [ -f "$i" ] ; then case $i in */licfont.txt*|*/LICFONT.TXT*) LicenseFile="$i" ;; */langcom.tar*|*/LANGCOM.TAR*) LangComTar="$i" ;; */langchs.tar*|*/LANGCHS.TAR*) LangCHSTar="$i" ;; */langcht.tar*|*/LANGCHT.TAR*) LangCHTTar="$i" ;; */langjpn.tar*|*/LANGJPN.TAR*) LangJPNTar="$i" ;; */langkor.tar*|*/LANGKOR.TAR*) LangKORTar="$i" ;; */instlang*|*/INSTLANG*) ;; esac fi done # Validate the configurations, need at least one lang tar if [ -z "$LangCHSTar" \ -a -z "$LangCHTTar" \ -a -z "$LangJPNTar" \ -a -z "$LangKORTar" ] then return $failure fi if [ -z "$LangComTar" ] then return $failure fi return $success } TypeCheck() { h=`type $1 2> /dev/null` case " $h " in *' '/*/$1' '*) return $success ;; *) return $failure ;; esac } ########################################################################## GetOS() { TypeCheck uname if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then OSname=`uname -s` if [ "$OSname" = "AIX" ] ; then OSrelease=`uname -a | ( read name host minor major foo ; echo $major. $minor )` else OSrelease=`uname -r` fi else OSname=unknown OSrelease=unknown fi } ########################################################################## OutputWelcome() { echo " " echo "Welcome to the Asian Language Kit installation." echo " " echo "This installation will not work if you do not have the" echo "Unix Acrobat Reader 5.0 or a higher version installed" echo "prior to this installation. If you do not have Acrobat Reader 5.0" echo "or a higher version already installed on your system," echo "please do so before installing this Asian Language Kit." echo " " } OutputLicense () { TypeCheck $PAGER if [ $? -ne 0 ] || [ -z "$PAGER" ] ; then command=cat TypeCheck pg if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then command=pg fi TypeCheck more if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then command=more fi else command="$PAGER" fi if [ ! -f "$LicenseFile" ] ; then echo " " echo "ERROR: Cannot find license file ... aborting" echo " " exit 1 fi echo " " $command "$LicenseFile" answer= while [ -z "$answer" ] ; do echo " " echo " " echo "To accept the terms and conditions of this agreement enter \"accept\"." echo "To decline the terms and conditions of this agreement enter \"decline\"." echo " " $echonl "Please type \"accept\" to accept the terms and conditions of this license agreement; Type \"decline\" to exit. " read answer ucanswer=`echo "${answer}" | tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]'` case "$ucanswer" in ACCEPT) ;; DECLINE) echo " " echo "License not accepted ... aborting installation" echo " " exit 1 ;; *) echo " " echo "ERROR: Invalid response, expected \"accept\" or \"decline\" ... try again" answer= ;; esac done } ########################################################################## DefaultInstallDir() { case "$OSname" in Linux) defdir="/usr/local/Acrobat5" ;; AIX) defdir="/usr/lpp/Acrobat5" ;; *) defdir="/opt/Acrobat5" ;; esac echo "$defdir" } TestInstallDir() { dir="$1" if [ "`expr "X$dir" : 'X/'`" != 2 ] then echo " " echo "ERROR: directory must be an absolute path" return $failure fi if [ ! -d "$dir" ] then echo " " echo "ERROR: Directory \"$dir\" does not exist." return $failure fi if [ ! -f "$dir/Reader/AcroVersion" ] then echo " " echo "ERROR: AcroVersion file does not exist." return $failure fi read Version < "$dir/Reader/AcroVersion" if [ 1 -lt "`expr "$Version" : '5.*'`" ] then echo " " echo "Installing..." else echo " " echo "ERROR: Incorrect Acrobat version: $Version." return $failure fi if ( echo foo > "$dir"/AcroWriteTest ) 2> /dev/null then rm -f "$dir"/AcroWriteTest else echo " " echo "ERROR: Cannot write to directory \"$dir\"." return $failure fi return $success } GetInfo() { var="$1" test="$2" default="$3" tagline="$4" val="" while [ -z "$val" ] do echo " " $echonl "$tagline [$default] " read ans if [ -z "$ans" ] then ans="$default" fi if $test "$ans" then val="$ans" fi done eval $var=\"$val\" } GetInstallInfo() { InstallDir="`DefaultInstallDir`" GetInfo InstallDir TestInstallDir "$InstallDir" \ "Enter the location where you installed the Acrobat Reader" } ########################################################################## ExtractFiles () { ( cd "$1" ; tar xf "$2" ) } InstallFiles () { msg="$1" install="$2" shift shift for i in "$@" ; do if [ "$i" ] ; then if [ "$msg" ] ; then echo " " $echonl "$msg" msg="" fi ExtractFiles "$install" "$i" fi done if [ -z "$msg" ] ; then echo "Done" fi } InstallLang() { FontDir="$InstallDir/Resource/Font" InstallFiles "Installing Common resources ... " \ "$FontDir" "$LangComTar" InstallFiles "Installing Simplified Chinese language resources ... " \ "$FontDir" "$LangCHSTar" InstallFiles "Installing Traditional Chinese language resources ... " \ "$FontDir" "$LangCHTTar" InstallFiles "Installing Japanese language resources ... " \ "$FontDir" "$LangJPNTar" InstallFiles "Installing Korean language resources ... " \ "$FontDir" "$LangKORTar" } ############################################################## # # Initialization: # umask 022 InitEchonl ScriptName=`basename $0` CurrentDirectory=`pwd` ScriptDirectory=`dirname $0` case "${ScriptDirectory}" in /*) ;; .) ScriptDirectory="$CurrentDirectory" ;; *) ScriptDirectory="$CurrentDirectory"/"$ScriptDirectory" ;; esac GetOS FindDistFiles if [ $? != $success ] then echo " " echo "ERROR: Could not find distribution ... aborting" echo " " exit 1 fi OutputWelcome if yesno "Continue installation?" "y" then : else echo "" exit 1 fi OutputLicense GetInstallInfo InstallLang echo " " echo "Installation completed." echo " " exit 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 9 21:24:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A1Ofoo009849 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:24:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4A1Of3K009848 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:24:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A1OeRD009844 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:24:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A1Oen6006704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:24:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A1OSlU031023 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:24:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.100] (242666hfc214.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.26.66.214]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4A1OQEg008445 for ; Mon, 9 May 2005 21:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42800D4A.4040106@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 21:24:26 -0400 From: "Michael F. Richards" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thunderbird Mail References: <200505082340.52799.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200505082340.52799.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > >Two problems which have to be a configuration thing. If I "click" on a >link in Thunderbird nothing happens. Get a flash of a blank screen and >then am returned to Thunderbird. Same thing happens when I "click" on >an email link. > > > > Try adding the following to your user.js in the .thunderbird/default/xxxxxxxx.slt directory user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "firefox"); user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.ftp", "firefox"); Mike Richards ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 00:48:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A4m1pM011160 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 00:48:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4A4m1NS011159 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 00:48:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A4m0Sd011155 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 00:48:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A4m0f1013532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 00:48:00 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4A4ld5O019525 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 00:47:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 1906 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2005 04:47:38 -0000 Received: from piper@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. 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(209.216.87.201) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 10 May 2005 04:47:38 -0000 Message-ID: <42803CEB.10405@ij.net> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:47:39 -0400 From: Scott Piper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050105 Debian/1.7.5-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> <427D81D4.7070207@digitalhermit.com> <620c90570505072340266156d7@mail.gmail.com> <1115580836.5233.11.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net if you want to, you could try removing the pcmcia links and place one in /etc/rcS.d. Put it somewhere like 38. update-rc.d -f pcmcia remove then update-rc.d pcmcia 38 S . It will run before networking. You could alternatively make a new script in /etc/init.d that calls /etc/init.d/networking with the restart parameter, and then add a link so networking will be restarted after the pcmcia services. update-rc.d {your script name} defaults 16 (I just picked 16 because it is after pcmcia. you may want some other number) You can search for debian policy or man init and update-rc.d for some help scott Chuck Hast wrote: >Just to get int up and running I put the following hack in my ax25 start >up file >ifdown eth0 (generates a error code but if I do not do it the next one fails) >ifup eth0 (this gets it all up and running just fine, but the hack is UGLY) > >I can do a "/etc/init.d/networking restart" manually and it will restart the >network just fine (it was already running just eth0 was hosed). >I was thinking about how to get the simlink to call networking restart as it >just looks like it is pointing to the file, I guess there must be some way to >pass a command to it in order to do a restart... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 01:10:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A5AedF011303 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:10:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4A5Aebd011302 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:10:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A5Aeap011298 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:10:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A5Aaop014323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:10:40 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4A5ALMs029127 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 01:10:21 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so902968rng for ; Mon, 09 May 2005 22:10:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ob/HrWkWmwdyR53TuAFvrtKfxYBdd5OXw68AmqxDzAZOrA54itkRKAwSOQwOAuded7QnlND1HfGHwX7uk+2QBXpsqz2eFPrGSMDfKRTIyIUijfxmU3eBVS/zDjnZ07bMLlHTya3u162WMYYWnbAYIZm/kmPuVE1WPnlHDvcTlLw= Received: by 10.38.74.31 with SMTP id w31mr1854892rna; Mon, 09 May 2005 22:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2005 22:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057050509221078052ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 01:10:21 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ifconfig not gettting set In-Reply-To: <42803CEB.10405@ij.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c905705050711284d198578@mail.gmail.com> <427D81D4.7070207@digitalhermit.com> <620c90570505072340266156d7@mail.gmail.com> <1115580836.5233.11.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> <620c9057050508140743d2ba62@mail.gmail.com> <42803CEB.10405@ij.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.221, required 6, AWL 0.68, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4A5Aeap011299 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/10/05, Scott Piper wrote: > if you want to, you could try removing the pcmcia links and place one in > /etc/rcS.d. Put it somewhere like 38. > > update-rc.d -f pcmcia remove > > then > > update-rc.d pcmcia 38 S . > > It will run before networking. You could alternatively make a new > script in /etc/init.d that calls /etc/init.d/networking with the restart > parameter, and then add a link so networking will be restarted after the > pcmcia services. > > update-rc.d {your script name} defaults 16 (I just picked 16 because it > is after pcmcia. you may want some other number) > > You can search for debian policy or man init and update-rc.d for some help Thank you. I think that is where I have to poke at it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 09:43:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ADhLFY014741 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:43:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4ADhLKN014740 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:43:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ADhLvM014736 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:43:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ADhKQa030493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:43:21 -0400 Received: from web53106.mail.yahoo.com (web53106.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.209]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4ADh5MO026267 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 09:43:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 35401 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2005 13:43:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=IoL/BRKhglAkr6O+di+HCUzNDyRZKSr/lj022g6m0H23XjqLPKjQz/eJqkR/CgHX6P6pKHc/LTZp91Hk9cUBfTKg/v7+UnQE0xcB8dKuqs38Mbc1ET5ty03SnglGH/UeNDIG4yvSj0NbDSAjoVp+9QQ2mnekQ7f0ruePkgz6ygM= ; Message-ID: <20050510134305.35399.qmail@web53106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.200.109.157] by web53106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2005 06:43:04 PDT Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 06:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: James Bennett Subject: Re: [SLUG] long domain logon from XP to FC3 To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-45456603-1115732584=:33184" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.485, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-45456603-1115732584=:33184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello I had similar problems with a debian host, If you have port forwarding on a firewall or router somewhere, the arp cache on the windows machine might be the culprit. This especially true when using static IP addresses and XP sp2. Sp1 concluded that there was no problem but has a broken arp cache. so it worked well mostly. the arp cache had the mac address of the firewall/router not the address of the debian machine with samba. arp times out fairly quickly so it repeated several times during a session. resulting in connect then failure. retry and connect. check mac addresses as listed on the XP box after each failed connect for wrong mac address. (c:\>arp -a) Sp1 cached both and tried the other on failure. sp2 only used first because it fixed problems in arp cache. See if proxy arp is turned on somewhere in the mix. Some ciscos enable proxy arp by default James Bennett Mike Branda wrote: On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 15:42 -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > On Thursday 05 May 2005 13:30, you as Wayne Pollock wrote: > > > A couple of stations are taking up to eight minutes to log into the > > > domain from XP pro stations to an FC3 server. I think this may be a > > > Microsoft issue, but what should I be looking for? I don't think they're > > > synchronizing their profiles. > > > > > > /mario > > > > Please ignore if your question is not about using Samba on the FC3 server > > as a domain controller and CIFS on the XP Pro stations. > > > > Sounds like a name lookup timeout. Have your configured WINS? Setup > > lmhosts? Or are you configured to use DNS for NetBIOS name lookups? > > If so the DNS server and/or clients may be misconfigured. (You can > > see those 5+ minute delays with DNS timeouts). > > > > If using CIFS, are the clients on the same LAN segment as > > the server? If not you need to configured a master browser. > > Note that NetBOIS browsers only syncronize with each other every > > 15 minutes or so, so it could take a while for a client to > > notice any changes. > > > > Why not examine the log files with tail -f and then have the client > > make the request as you watch? If nothing happens the request > > isn't getting to your machine and the problem must be in the > > network or clients. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > -Wayne > > I'm replying to this on the list since Wayne has SLUG digest. > > Yes, the FC3 server is acting as a domain controller and Samba server. Last I > checked, the WINS settings on the end stations are correct. We're not using > DNS for NetBIOS resolution. All of the stations are on the same subnet via a > layer two switch. > > Do I need a master browser when they're logging into the domain controller? > I'll check out the log files. Good idea about tail'ing it. > > /mario > I thought that you had to set the Samba server as the master with some high election number in the conf to guarantee a win. On a side note, almost all long network delays I've dealt with involve dns/name resolution issues. You might wanna bust out ethereal too to analyze the network conversation. 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Hello
 
I had similar problems with a debian host, If you have port forwarding on a firewall or router somewhere, the arp cache on the windows machine might be the culprit. This especially true when using static IP addresses and XP sp2. Sp1 concluded that there was no problem but has a broken arp cache. so it worked well mostly.
 
the arp cache had the mac address of the firewall/router not the address of the debian machine with samba. arp times out fairly quickly so it repeated several times during a session. resulting in connect then failure. retry and connect. check mac addresses as listed on the XP box after each failed connect for wrong mac address. (c:\>arp -a) Sp1 cached both and tried the other on failure. sp2 only used first because it fixed problems in arp cache.
 
See if proxy arp is turned on somewhere in the mix.
 
Some ciscos enable proxy arp by default
 
James Bennett


Mike Branda <realraccoon@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 15:42 -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote:
> On Thursday 05 May 2005 13:30, you as Wayne Pollock wrote:
> > > A couple of stations are taking up to eight minutes to log into the
> > > domain from XP pro stations to an FC3 server. I think this may be a
> > > Microsoft issue, but what should I be looking for? I don't think they're
> > > synchronizing their profiles.
> > >
> > > /mario
> >
> > Please ignore if your question is not about using Samba on the FC3 server
> > as a domain controller and CIFS on the XP Pro stations.
> >
> > Sounds like a name lookup timeout. Have your configured WINS? Setup
> > lmhosts? Or are you configured to use DNS for NetBIOS name lookups?
> > If so the DNS server and/or clients may be misconfigu! red. (You can
> > see those 5+ minute delays with DNS timeouts).
> >
> > If using CIFS, are the clients on the same LAN segment as
> > the server? If not you need to configured a master browser.
> > Note that NetBOIS browsers only syncronize with each other every
> > 15 minutes or so, so it could take a while for a client to
> > notice any changes.
> >
> > Why not examine the log files with tail -f and then have the client
> > make the request as you watch? If nothing happens the request
> > isn't getting to your machine and the problem must be in the
> > network or clients.
> >
> > Hope this helps!
> >
> > -Wayne
>
> I'm replying to this on the list since Wayne has SLUG digest.
>
> Yes, the FC3 server is acting as a domain controller and Samba server. Last I
> checked, the WINS settings on the end stations are correct. We're not using
> DNS for NetBIOS resolution. All of the stations are on the same subnet via a
> layer two switch.
>
> Do I need a master browser when they're logging into the domain controller?
> I'll check out the log files. Good idea about tail'ing it.
>
> /mario
>

I thought that you had to set the Samba server as the master with some
high election number in the conf to guarantee a win. On a side note,
almost all long network delays I've dealt with involve dns/name
resolution issues. You might wanna bust out ethereal too to analyze the
network conversation.



Mike Branda Jr.

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 14:27:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIROXj016565 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:27:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4AIROHC016564 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:27:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIROfd016560 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:27:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIRNW1005446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:27:24 -0400 Received: from ctrust.com (mail.ctrust.com [207.59.126.35]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIRECW027475 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:27:15 -0400 Received: from Spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) ID MO00A089; 10 May 2005 14:24:05 -0400 Received: from spooler by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a); 10 May 2005 14:23:50 -0400 Received: from ctrust.com (192.168.100.50) by ctrust.com (Mercury/32 v4.01a) with ESMTP ID MG00A088; 10 May 2005 14:23:45 -0400 Message-ID: <4280FC68.8040902@ctrust.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:24:40 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop References: <427F6BF1.6040006@glennmeyer.com> In-Reply-To: <427F6BF1.6040006@glennmeyer.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.313, required 6, AWL 0.21, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Glenn Meyer wrote: > I use a Compaq Armada M700 Pentium 3 (700MHz) laptop. I'm having > problems with the system completely and immediately freezing up > whenever the power is connected or disconnected from the laptop. > > I'm currently using Slackware 10.1 but had the same issue with Red Hat > Enterprise Linux AS 4.0 > > Can someone help me understand how Linux works with the hardware for > power management? Am I looking up the right tree? > > Thank you! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. Although others will disagree greatly with me for this, my experience has taught me to just turn it off. I have burned up RAM and reached thermal shutdown on a laptop trying to run power management. It may have gotten better since 2.6.1, but I still don't trust it.. not after a few hundred dollars in ram getting fried because APM didn't turn the fan on... Generally, power management is handled by the system bios, although its missing a few of the nifty features, the basics work.. speedstep (assuming you're using intel), and things like that. just my $0.02 -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 14:51:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIpx6U016698 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:51:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4AIpxGZ016697 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:51:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIpxCg016693 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:51:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIpxZC005977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:51:59 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AIpUJc022589 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:51:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.202.87]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IGA002V9F1N8XM8@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 10 May 2005 13:51:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:51:06 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop In-reply-to: <4280FC68.8040902@ctrust.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4281029A.6000201@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <427F6BF1.6040006@glennmeyer.com> <4280FC68.8040902@ctrust.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.286, required 6, AWL -0.42, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_81 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Craig Zeigler wrote: > Glenn Meyer wrote: > >> I use a Compaq Armada M700 Pentium 3 (700MHz) laptop. I'm having >> problems with the system completely and immediately freezing up >> whenever the power is connected or disconnected from the laptop. >> >> I'm currently using Slackware 10.1 but had the same issue with Red >> Hat Enterprise Linux AS 4.0 >> >> Can someone help me understand how Linux works with the hardware for >> power management? Am I looking up the right tree? >> >> Thank you! >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Although others will disagree greatly with me for this, my experience > has taught me to just turn it off. I have burned up RAM and reached > thermal shutdown on a laptop trying to run power management. It may > have gotten better since 2.6.1, but I still don't trust it.. not after > a few hundred dollars in ram getting fried because APM didn't turn the > fan on... > > Generally, power management is handled by the system bios, although > its missing a few of the nifty features, the basics work.. speedstep > (assuming you're using intel), and things like that. > > just my $0.02 > In slackware which kernel are you using. 2.4 or 2.6 and if it is 2.4 are you using bareacpi.i kernel bare.i kernel if your p3 support speedstep disable it first in the bios. I have had my old p3 laptop cause linux to freeze due to speedstep ( the technology of the processor going slower when the it is on battery and faster when pluged into the ac. Or Just do what Craig said. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 15:01:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AJ1w8n016773 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:01:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4AJ1w9F016772 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:01:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AJ1wsS016768 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:01:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AJ1v3X006273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:01:58 -0400 Received: from msa2-mx.centurytel.net (msa2-mx.centurytel.net [209.142.136.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AJ1exK001980 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:01:41 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (d3-107.rb5.clm.centurytel.net [69.29.98.107]) by msa2-mx.centurytel.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4AJ1apC005773 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: <428104D5.9070606@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:00:37 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop References: <427F6BF1.6040006@glennmeyer.com> <4280FC68.8040902@ctrust.com> <4281029A.6000201@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <4281029A.6000201@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.482, required 6, AWL 0.22, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_81 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Still on the 2.4 kernel and using bare.i I do already have the speed step disabled in the bios (was locking up on boot when enabled) Robert Snyder wrote: > Craig Zeigler wrote: > >> Glenn Meyer wrote: >> >>> I use a Compaq Armada M700 Pentium 3 (700MHz) laptop. I'm having >>> problems with the system completely and immediately freezing up >>> whenever the power is connected or disconnected from the laptop. >>> >>> I'm currently using Slackware 10.1 but had the same issue with Red >>> Hat Enterprise Linux AS 4.0 >>> >>> Can someone help me understand how Linux works with the hardware for >>> power management? Am I looking up the right tree? >>> >>> Thank you! >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> >> >> Although others will disagree greatly with me for this, my experience >> has taught me to just turn it off. I have burned up RAM and reached >> thermal shutdown on a laptop trying to run power management. It may >> have gotten better since 2.6.1, but I still don't trust it.. not >> after a few hundred dollars in ram getting fried because APM didn't >> turn the fan on... >> >> Generally, power management is handled by the system bios, although >> its missing a few of the nifty features, the basics work.. speedstep >> (assuming you're using intel), and things like that. >> >> just my $0.02 >> > In slackware which kernel are you using. 2.4 or 2.6 and if it is 2.4 > are you using bareacpi.i kernel bare.i kernel > > if your p3 support speedstep disable it first in the bios. I have had > my old p3 laptop cause linux to freeze due to speedstep ( the > technology of the processor going slower when the it is on battery and > faster when pluged into the ac. > Or > > Just do what Craig said. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 16:10:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKAgt1017192 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:10:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4AKAgxP017191 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:10:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKAgLh017187 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:10:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKAgZ1007866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:10:42 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKAEMC008985 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:10:14 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 May 2005 14:10:13 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 14:10:02 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.954, required 6, AWL 0.95, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4AKAgLh017188 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The BIOS in the Armada has known issues that most likely have never been fixed (last bios update is 2002). Compaq had customized some items in windows to allow for those issues and most likely you are encountering these bios issues. I would turn off power management, personally. However, the newer kernels and powersave packages may support workarounds for the bios shortcomings. I use my M700 with a docking station and don't need power management, but have left the default settings with SUSE LINUX 9.3 pro with no problems (ACPI is on, but it's not regulating power since I'm on A/C constantly). So far...no problems. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 16:59:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKxpUT017514 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:59:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4AKxpWt017513 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:59:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKxp0r017509 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:59:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKxpk6009253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:59:51 -0400 Received: from msa2-mx.centurytel.net (msa2-mx.centurytel.net [209.142.136.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AKxUrU014875 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 16:59:31 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (d3-107.rb5.clm.centurytel.net [69.29.98.107]) by msa2-mx.centurytel.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4AKxRQO031157 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 15:59:30 -0500 Message-ID: <42812075.4080000@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 15:58:29 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.13, required 6, AWL 0.77, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes, I thought that BIOS looked old, but it was newer than what was already installed, so I flashed it, but no help. Thank you all for your help. Sounds like shutting down and rebooting may be the best option (ok - only option) at this point. John Pugh wrote: >The BIOS in the Armada has known issues that most likely have never been fixed (last bios update is 2002). Compaq had customized some items in windows to allow for those issues and most likely you are encountering these bios issues. > >I would turn off power management, personally. However, the newer kernels and powersave packages may support workarounds for the bios shortcomings. I use my M700 with a docking station and don't need power management, but have left the default settings with SUSE LINUX 9.3 pro with no problems (ACPI is on, but it's not regulating power since I'm on A/C constantly). So far...no problems. > >JP > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 10 18:30:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AMUjgY018138 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:30:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4AMUjlO018137 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:30:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AMUjbN018133 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:30:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AMUiR8011867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:30:45 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4AMUY93024617 for ; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:30:34 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.202.87]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IGA007Q2P6U1XD1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 10 May 2005 17:30:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:30:13 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop In-reply-to: <42812075.4080000@glennmeyer.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <428135F5.1060205@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <42812075.4080000@glennmeyer.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.678, required 6, AWL 0.47, BAYES_30 -0.90, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, J_CHICKENPOX_81 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Glenn Meyer wrote: > Yes, I thought that BIOS looked old, but it was newer than what was > already installed, so I flashed it, but no help. > > Thank you all for your help. Sounds like shutting down and rebooting > may be the best option (ok - only option) at this point. > You might want to install bareacpi.i kernel for slackware and see if that helps any. it is setting on the cd1 of 10.1 > > > John Pugh wrote: > >> The BIOS in the Armada has known issues that most likely have never >> been fixed (last bios update is 2002). Compaq had customized some >> items in windows to allow for those issues and most likely you are >> encountering these bios issues. >> >> I would turn off power management, personally. However, the newer >> kernels and powersave packages may support workarounds for the bios >> shortcomings. I use my M700 with a docking station and don't need >> power management, but have left the default settings with SUSE LINUX >> 9.3 pro with no problems (ACPI is on, but it's not regulating power >> since I'm on A/C constantly). So far...no problems. >> >> JP >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 00:09:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B4910o020295 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:09:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4B491Ts020294 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:09:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B48seX020290 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:08:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B48mfB020636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:08:54 -0400 Received: from r1.mycybernet.net (r1.mycybernet.net [209.5.206.8]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B4826h028597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:08:07 -0400 Message-Id: <200505110408.j4B4826h028597@nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net> Received: from dial-1-1-40.cybrnet.net ([209.5.241.167]:33536 helo=main) by r1.mycybernet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50 (FreeBSD)) id 1DViVn-000KXW-Vm for slug@nks.net; Wed, 11 May 2005 00:07:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:50 -0400 From: "Gerard Lim" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Yet Another Perl Conference final details X-Mailer: Mail::SendEasy/1.2 Perl/5.008004-linux Mime-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.078, required 6, AWL -0.63, BAYES_50 0.00, FU_DOM_START_NUM 1.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi everyone... This email could be of interest to people interested in the Perl programming language. I know that in Toronto there is a good-sized overlap between Linux people and Perl people (we occasionally hold "joint sessions" of our user group meetings) so we hoped to share this information with Linux folks more widely. There have been some recent developments on the YAPC::NA front, and it has been suggested to us that a reminder might be helpful to some people, so here's a quick summary of the event. Summary ------- YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) in Toronto, Canada, Monday - Wednesday 27 - 29 June, 2005 Home page: http://yapc.org/America/ Conference Location: http://89chestnut.com/ A facility of the University of Toronto Accommodations -------------- Normally registration information would come first, but accommodations are the bottleneck -- our main group reservation (at the conference hotel) expires at the end of the week, and as the conference approaches it will be extremely difficult to find a hotel anywhere in the city. Info on how to book at: http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml Registration ------------ Register now! :-) We are on track to break attendance records at YAPC::NA this year, and we could even sell out before the conference starts. The price for the full 3 days is USD$85. We keep it insanely low through many generous sponsorships and the all-volunteer organizational and speaking crews. Registration info: http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml Direct registration link: http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference_id=423 Conference Speaking Schedule ---------------------------- We've got an excellent selection of talks and speakers for Perl programmers of all levels, beginner through expert. We are fortunate enough to have presentations coming from some of the most recognizable names in Perl programming today, including Larry Wall, Chip Salzenberg, Dan Sugalski, Autrijus Tang and brian d foy. Summary -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/summary.html Day 1 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html Day 2 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day2.html Day 3 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day3.html Lightning Talks --------------- These short (5 minutes each) talks, presented by the conference attendees, are a YAPC tradition. If you're interested please read more about them and sign up: http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/ [ This message was sent by Gerard Lim on behalf of the YAPC::NA 2005 Conference organizing committee of the Toronto Perl Mongers. Thanks for your patience and support. ] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 01:36:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B5a41a020897 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:36:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4B5a4o6020896 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:36:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B5a4hf020892 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:36:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B5a3ma024718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:36:03 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4B5Znpg032017 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:35:49 -0400 Received: from pool-44.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.224] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11c1/96) id 75RAU00 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 01:34:47 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Thunderbird Mail Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 01:09:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505082340.52799.rnr@sanctum.com> <42800D4A.4040106@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <42800D4A.4040106@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505110109.02845.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.181, required 6, AWL 0.72, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 09 May 2005 21:24, Michael F. Richards wrote: > Bob Stia wrote: > > > >Two problems which have to be a configuration thing. If I "click" > > on a link in Thunderbird nothing happens. Get a flash of a blank > > screen and then am returned to Thunderbird. Same thing happens > > when I "click" on an email link. > > > > Try adding the following to your user.js in the > .thunderbird/default/xxxxxxxx.slt directory > > user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "firefox"); > user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.https", "firefox"); > user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.ftp", "firefox"); > Thanks Mike, Will give it a try. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 10:35:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BEZuaW024532 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BEZuYA024531 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BEZtQI024527 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BEZtO2011793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:55 -0400 Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BEZgtn006458 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:42 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DVsJK-0006sa-Kl for slug@nks.net; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:35:42 -0400 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AE43070C973 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2005 10:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14998.66.15.89.64.1115822478.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] interesting RedHat news From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac06b48d29827cfba2046f0526551c60f850a703a0aa1deb956350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.534, required 6, AWL -0.61, BAYES_50 0.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4BEZtQI024528 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just wanted to call attention to a couple of recent interesting stories regarding RedHat. Of course, if you're a regular at SlashDot and OSNews, you've already seen these: Matthew Szulik and Steve Balmer dine together in NY: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10558 http://news.com.com/A+Microsoft-Red+Hat+warming+trend/2100-7344_3-5701700.html?tag=nefd.top Michael Dell invests $100 Million in Redhat: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1221229&tid=110&tid=98&tid=106 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7787642/ Could these two be related in any way? Will MS begin to port some products to Linux, like they have for Apple? Could Dell start shipping products with RedHat installed (if they don't already)? Should I add another layer to my tin foil hat? Or is this the beginning of the inevitable Linux world domination prophesied for so long? And does this belong on the Politics list? I'm forclempt... 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 11:14:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BFEuUq024752 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:14:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BFEuPK024751 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:14:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BFEtq1024747 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:14:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BFEtcg012954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:14:55 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BFEfVK015900 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 11:14:41 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:14:40 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:14:20 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] interesting RedHat news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.497, required 6, AWL -1.73, BAYES_44 -0.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.23) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4BFEuq1024748 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Seeing the new reports on Linux marketshare by distro shows SUSE LINUX growing very rapidly. With these types of reports, I suspect that RH and MS are looking at ways to work together in a vain attempt to keep their reign in their respective areas. But that is a biased opinion as well... btw...RH alone has made up a large % of Dell's revenue over the past few years (somewhere in the neighborhood of 30%). JP >>> dkoobs@dkoobs.com 05/11/05 10:41 am >>> I just wanted to call attention to a couple of recent interesting stories regarding RedHat. Of course, if you're a regular at SlashDot and OSNews, you've already seen these: Matthew Szulik and Steve Balmer dine together in NY: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10558 http://news.com.com/A+Microsoft-Red+Hat+warming+trend/2100-7344_3-5701700.html?tag=nefd.top Michael Dell invests $100 Million in Redhat: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1221229&tid=110&tid=98&tid=106 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7787642/ Could these two be related in any way? Will MS begin to port some products to Linux, like they have for Apple? Could Dell start shipping products with RedHat installed (if they don't already)? Should I add another layer to my tin foil hat? Or is this the beginning of the inevitable Linux world domination prophesied for so long? And does this belong on the Politics list? I'm forclempt... Talk amongst yourselves... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 12:20:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGK6fU025262 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:20:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BGK699025261 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:20:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGK5HW025257 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:20:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGK5ul015011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:20:05 -0400 Received: from mail.hallock.net (mail.hallock.net [207.54.169.132]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGJqHf020174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:19:53 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [70.110.67.97] (account macyh HELO [192.168.1.37]) by mail.hallock.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 93619 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:19:25 -0400 Message-ID: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:19:49 -0400 From: Macy1 Hallock User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [Asterisk] Any interest in an Asterisk SIG here? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Greetings to the SLUG list readers. I've been lurking on the SLUG list for the past few weeks, I really appreciate the positive attitude and response I see. Reminds me a bit of usenet in its best days, long since past... By way of introduction, I'm an ex-ISP owner (recently sold), now relocated to Lutz. I'm new to SLUG and this list. I'm a dangerous amateur at Linux (RH and Fedora, mostly). My core background is telecom (ex-GTE Ohio), data (Cisco, Novell, Sun, RH) and network/ISP integration, i.e. jack of all trades, master of none. (A google of my name will give you more info about my past activities.) I've been investigating Asterisk of late. As a voice/data person I find it really slick, but haven't progressed very far. I've seen a bit about this topic posted here and short mentions at meetings, so there's been some activity, but I'd like to see (and do) more. Are there any co-conspirators who might be interested in forming a SIG or informal group to learn, install, administer and experiment with Asterisk and related VoIP stuff here? And is this too organized an approach? Any comments, suggestions? How about any rants, raves or just some narrative about what you've done with this technology? Or just post some working configuration files? -- Macy Hallock - Hallock Consulting - Lutz, FL + Medina, OH Tel 813-632-2988 Cell 813-493-8899 Email macy1 (at) hallock.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 12:46:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGk5UZ025423 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:46:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BGk5JQ025422 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:46:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGk5qj025418 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:46:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGk4ME015805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:46:05 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGjr0A027273 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:45:54 -0400 Received: from digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AEA21E for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.43.115.202 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5652.12.43.115.202.1115830074.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] interesting RedHat news From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.281, required 6, AWL -1.49, BAYES_44 -0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Seeing the new reports on Linux marketshare by distro shows SUSE LINUX growing > very rapidly. With these types of reports, I suspect that RH and MS are > looking at ways to work together in a vain attempt to keep their reign in > their respective areas. > > But that is a biased opinion as well... > > btw...RH alone has made up a large % of Dell's revenue over the past few years > (somewhere in the neighborhood of 30%). You sure about that number? It differs from numbers I've seen... -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 13:00:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BH06t0025516 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:00:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BH06jB025515 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:00:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BH06Ye025511 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:00:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BH05ht016169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:00:06 -0400 Received: from mail04.powweb.com (mail04.powweb.com [66.152.97.37]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BGxn0N024573 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:59:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532235hfc69.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.235.69]) by mail04.powweb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9331FFB7B for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 09:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Acrobat T Chinese font script problems -- RESOLVED Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:02:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200505091813.56231.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200505091813.56231.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505111302.21725.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.625, required 6, AWL -3.24, BAYES_44 -0.00, FS_SINGLE_LETTER 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_65 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_72 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_SUB_LETTER_1 0.69, TW_XV 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net BVA8052D Joy joy joy! No docs on Adobe's website regarding even a fraction of the error I received. Very little stuff on Google and Altavista; all that I found was non-pertinent, so I did my best attempt. Oh, BTW, Leadtek's PDF manual authors were so brilliant, they used Simple and Traditional Chinese font sets to produce English characters on the cover page and tables on eight and nine. Now that's thinking! So much for their PDF being portable. Here's what I did to get it working: 1. Download and install Adobe Acrobat 7.0 (Acrobat 5.0 doesn't have the same directory structure with CMaps! weird) http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html 2. Download your respective font pack for Adobe Acrobat 5.x! For mine, it was Traditional Chinese and Simple Chinese (see below for Adobe download link) 3. Unpackage the tar.gz file. Example with Simplified Chinese "tar -xvf chsfont.tar.gz" Simplified Chinese: INSTLANG (script) LANGCHS.TAR LANGCOM.TAR LICFONT.TXT Traditional Chinese: INSTLANG LANGCHT.TAR LANGCOM.TAR LICFONT.TXT 4. Make sure Adobe Acrobat 7.0 is not running. 5. The path of Acrobat 7.0 may vary per distribution. Mine is Fedora Core 3. Let's use Simplified Chinese as an example. Get into the directory CHSKIT Untar LANGCHS.TAR (It will bring out STSongStd-Light-Acro.otf to the Font directory) tar -xvf ./LANGCHS.TAR -C /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Resource/Font/ 8. untar LANGCOM.TAR to the Acrobat CMap directory (lots of files) tar -xvf LANGCOM.TAR -C /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Resource/CMap/ 9. Repeat steps 4 - 8 as needed per set. 10. Open Acrobat and your document and enjoy! /mario On Monday 09 May 2005 18:13, Mario Lombardo wrote: > I have both Acrobat 5.0 and Acrobat 7.0 for linux. I'm trying to view this > PDF that has Chinese fonts: > ftp://ftp1.leadtek.com/voip/W050942_A(E).pdf > > I'm having problems loading the fonts via the script provided by Adobe. > You can get the font packs here: > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrasianfontpack.html > > Below is the script for 5.x. It dies with the following error: > ERROR: Could not find distribution ... aborting > > I've tried to hack off the license stuff and the distribution checker. It > executes, but I don't see the fonts populate. What should I do? > > /mario > > ----------------------- > #!/bin/sh > # > # Install Script for Acrobat Language Kit > # > # Copyright (c)1998-2002 Adobe Systems Incorporated > # All Rights Reserved > # > ########################################################################## > > success=0 > failure=1 > > ########################################################################## > > echoawk() > { > echo $* | awk '{ printf "%s", $0 }' > } > > echon() > { > echo -n "$*" > } > > echoc() > { > $EchoCommand "${*}\c" > } > > InitEchonl() > { > if [ -x "/bin/echo" ] ; then > EchoCommand="/bin/echo" > fi > if [ -x "/usr/bin/echo" ] ; then > EchoCommand="/usr/bin/echo" > fi > > if [ `$EchoCommand "x\c"` = "x" ] ; then > echonl=echoc > else > echonl=echon > fi > } > > ########################################################################## > > yesno() > { > msg="$1" > def="$2" > while true ; do > echo " " > $echonl "$msg [$def] " > read answer > if [ "$answer" ] ; then > case "$answer" in > y|Y|yes|YES) > return 0 > ;; > n|N|no|NO) > return 1 > ;; > *) > echo " " > echo "ERROR: Invalid response, expected \"yes\" or \"no\"." > continue > ;; > esac > else > if [ "$def" = "y" ] > then > return 0 > else > return 1 > fi > fi > done > } > > ########################################################################## > > FindDistFiles() > { > # Get the filenames: > for i in ${ScriptDirectory}/* ; do > if [ -f "$i" ] ; then > case $i in > */licfont.txt*|*/LICFONT.TXT*) LicenseFile="$i" ;; > */langcom.tar*|*/LANGCOM.TAR*) LangComTar="$i" ;; > */langchs.tar*|*/LANGCHS.TAR*) LangCHSTar="$i" ;; > */langcht.tar*|*/LANGCHT.TAR*) LangCHTTar="$i" ;; > */langjpn.tar*|*/LANGJPN.TAR*) LangJPNTar="$i" ;; > */langkor.tar*|*/LANGKOR.TAR*) LangKORTar="$i" ;; > */instlang*|*/INSTLANG*) ;; > esac > fi > done > > # Validate the configurations, need at least one lang tar > if [ -z "$LangCHSTar" \ > -a -z "$LangCHTTar" \ > -a -z "$LangJPNTar" \ > -a -z "$LangKORTar" ] > then > return $failure > fi > > if [ -z "$LangComTar" ] > then > return $failure > fi > > return $success > } > > TypeCheck() > { > h=`type $1 2> /dev/null` > case " $h " in > *' '/*/$1' '*) > return $success > ;; > *) > return $failure > ;; > esac > } > > > ########################################################################## > > GetOS() > { > TypeCheck uname > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > OSname=`uname -s` > if [ "$OSname" = "AIX" ] ; then > OSrelease=`uname -a | ( read name host minor major foo ; echo $major. > $minor )` > else > OSrelease=`uname -r` > fi > else > OSname=unknown > OSrelease=unknown > fi > } > > ########################################################################## > > OutputWelcome() > { > echo " " > echo "Welcome to the Asian Language Kit installation." > echo " " > echo "This installation will not work if you do not have the" > echo "Unix Acrobat Reader 5.0 or a higher version installed" > echo "prior to this installation. If you do not have Acrobat Reader 5.0" > echo "or a higher version already installed on your system," > echo "please do so before installing this Asian Language Kit." > echo " " > } > > > OutputLicense () > { > TypeCheck $PAGER > if [ $? -ne 0 ] || [ -z "$PAGER" ] ; then > command=cat > TypeCheck pg > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > command=pg > fi > TypeCheck more > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > command=more > fi > else > command="$PAGER" > fi > > if [ ! -f "$LicenseFile" ] ; then > echo " " > echo "ERROR: Cannot find license file ... aborting" > echo " " > exit 1 > fi > > echo " " > $command "$LicenseFile" > > answer= > while [ -z "$answer" ] ; do > echo " " > echo " " > echo "To accept the terms and conditions of this agreement enter > \"accept\"." > echo "To decline the terms and conditions of this agreement enter > \"decline\"." > echo " " > $echonl "Please type \"accept\" to accept the terms and conditions of > this license agreement; Type \"decline\" to exit. " > read answer > ucanswer=`echo "${answer}" | tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]'` > case "$ucanswer" in > ACCEPT) > ;; > DECLINE) > echo " " > echo "License not accepted ... aborting installation" > echo " " > exit 1 > ;; > *) > echo " " > echo "ERROR: Invalid response, expected \"accept\" or \"decline\" ... > try again" > answer= > ;; > esac > done > } > > ########################################################################## > > DefaultInstallDir() > { > > case "$OSname" in > Linux) > defdir="/usr/local/Acrobat5" > ;; > AIX) > defdir="/usr/lpp/Acrobat5" > ;; > *) > defdir="/opt/Acrobat5" > ;; > esac > > echo "$defdir" > } > > TestInstallDir() > { > dir="$1" > > if [ "`expr "X$dir" : 'X/'`" != 2 ] > then > echo " " > echo "ERROR: directory must be an absolute path" > return $failure > fi > > if [ ! -d "$dir" ] > then > echo " " > echo "ERROR: Directory \"$dir\" does not exist." > return $failure > fi > > if [ ! -f "$dir/Reader/AcroVersion" ] > then > echo " " > echo "ERROR: AcroVersion file does not exist." > return $failure > fi > > read Version < "$dir/Reader/AcroVersion" > if [ 1 -lt "`expr "$Version" : '5.*'`" ] > then > echo " " > echo "Installing..." > else > echo " " > echo "ERROR: Incorrect Acrobat version: $Version." > return $failure > fi > > if ( echo foo > "$dir"/AcroWriteTest ) 2> /dev/null > then > rm -f "$dir"/AcroWriteTest > else > echo " " > echo "ERROR: Cannot write to directory \"$dir\"." > return $failure > fi > > return $success > } > > GetInfo() > { > var="$1" > test="$2" > default="$3" > tagline="$4" > val="" > > while [ -z "$val" ] > do > echo " " > $echonl "$tagline [$default] " > > read ans > if [ -z "$ans" ] > then > ans="$default" > fi > > if $test "$ans" > then > val="$ans" > fi > done > > eval $var=\"$val\" > } > > GetInstallInfo() > { > InstallDir="`DefaultInstallDir`" > > GetInfo InstallDir TestInstallDir "$InstallDir" \ > "Enter the location where you installed the Acrobat Reader" > } > > ########################################################################## > > ExtractFiles () > { > ( cd "$1" ; tar xf "$2" ) > } > > InstallFiles () > { > msg="$1" > install="$2" > shift > shift > > for i in "$@" ; do > if [ "$i" ] ; then > if [ "$msg" ] ; then > echo " " > $echonl "$msg" > msg="" > fi > ExtractFiles "$install" "$i" > fi > done > > if [ -z "$msg" ] ; then > echo "Done" > fi > } > > InstallLang() > { > FontDir="$InstallDir/Resource/Font" > > InstallFiles "Installing Common resources ... " \ > "$FontDir" "$LangComTar" > > InstallFiles "Installing Simplified Chinese language resources ... " \ > "$FontDir" "$LangCHSTar" > > InstallFiles "Installing Traditional Chinese language resources ... " \ > "$FontDir" "$LangCHTTar" > > InstallFiles "Installing Japanese language resources ... " \ > "$FontDir" "$LangJPNTar" > > InstallFiles "Installing Korean language resources ... " \ > "$FontDir" "$LangKORTar" > } > > ############################################################## > > # > # Initialization: > # > > umask 022 > > InitEchonl > > ScriptName=`basename $0` > CurrentDirectory=`pwd` > ScriptDirectory=`dirname $0` > case "${ScriptDirectory}" in > /*) ;; > .) ScriptDirectory="$CurrentDirectory" ;; > *) ScriptDirectory="$CurrentDirectory"/"$ScriptDirectory" ;; > esac > > GetOS > > FindDistFiles > if [ $? != $success ] > then > echo " " > echo "ERROR: Could not find distribution ... aborting" > echo " " > exit 1 > fi > > OutputWelcome > if yesno "Continue installation?" "y" > then > > else > echo "" > exit 1 > fi > > OutputLicense > > GetInstallInfo > > InstallLang > > echo " " > echo "Installation completed." > echo " " > > exit 0 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Acrobat T Chinese font script problems -- RESOLVED In-Reply-To: <200505111302.21725.mario@alienscience.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200505091813.56231.mario@alienscience.com> <200505111302.21725.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.863, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, FS_SINGLE_LETTER 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_64 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_65 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_72 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60, SARE_SUB_LETTER_1 0.69, TW_XV 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4BHNtkQ025693 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mario, had your stats checked and something is out of whack in your current settings. Checked www.voxilla.com, they now have a configuration wizard for Leadtek. http://voxilla.com/leadtekconfig.php. The site does require you to register with an email address, and then send you a password. I have used their confiuration wizards for Sipura 2000s and it is much easier. You may need to get to the wizard through the man site then go to VoIP Tools>>Device Configuration wizards>>LeadtekBVA 805x. you typically need 1) select your VoIP provider, 2) the IP address of your device 3) Your phone number(User ID) 4) password to your phone number 5) which line in your device you want to have the information put to (only line 1 on the BVA805x right now) 6) dialplan ( they have BroadVoice's listed , copy and paste. K. On 5/11/05, Mario Lombardo wrote: > BVA8052D > Joy joy joy! No docs on Adobe's website regarding even a fraction of the > error I received. Very little stuff on Google and Altavista; all that I > found was non-pertinent, so I did my best attempt. Oh, BTW, Leadtek's PDF > manual authors were so brilliant, they used Simple and Traditional Chinese > font sets to produce English characters on the cover page and tables on eight > and nine. Now that's thinking! So much for their PDF being portable. > > Here's what I did to get it working: > 1. Download and install Adobe Acrobat 7.0 (Acrobat 5.0 doesn't have the same > directory structure with CMaps! weird) > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html > > 2. Download your respective font pack for Adobe Acrobat 5.x! For mine, it > was Traditional Chinese and Simple Chinese (see below for Adobe download > link) > > 3. Unpackage the tar.gz file. Example with Simplified Chinese "tar -xvf > chsfont.tar.gz" > Simplified Chinese: > INSTLANG (script) > LANGCHS.TAR > LANGCOM.TAR > LICFONT.TXT > > Traditional Chinese: > INSTLANG > LANGCHT.TAR > LANGCOM.TAR > LICFONT.TXT > > 4. Make sure Adobe Acrobat 7.0 is not running. > > 5. The path of Acrobat 7.0 may vary per distribution. Mine is Fedora Core 3. > Let's use Simplified Chinese as an example. Get into the directory CHSKIT > Untar LANGCHS.TAR (It will bring out STSongStd-Light-Acro.otf to the Font > directory) > tar -xvf ./LANGCHS.TAR -C /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Resource/Font/ > > 8. untar LANGCOM.TAR to the Acrobat CMap directory (lots of files) > tar -xvf LANGCOM.TAR -C /usr/local/Adobe/Acrobat7.0/Resource/CMap/ > > 9. Repeat steps 4 - 8 as needed per set. > > 10. Open Acrobat and your document and enjoy! > > /mario > > On Monday 09 May 2005 18:13, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > I have both Acrobat 5.0 and Acrobat 7.0 for linux. I'm trying to view this > > PDF that has Chinese fonts: > > ftp://ftp1.leadtek.com/voip/W050942_A(E).pdf > > > > I'm having problems loading the fonts via the script provided by Adobe. > > You can get the font packs here: > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrasianfontpack.html > > > > Below is the script for 5.x. It dies with the following error: > > ERROR: Could not find distribution ... aborting > > > > I've tried to hack off the license stuff and the distribution checker. It > > executes, but I don't see the fonts populate. What should I do? > > > > /mario > > > > ----------------------- > > #!/bin/sh > > # > > # Install Script for Acrobat Language Kit > > # > > # Copyright (c)1998-2002 Adobe Systems Incorporated > > # All Rights Reserved > > # > > ########################################################################## > > > > success=0 > > failure=1 > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > echoawk() > > { > > echo $* | awk '{ printf "%s", $0 }' > > } > > > > echon() > > { > > echo -n "$*" > > } > > > > echoc() > > { > > $EchoCommand "${*}\c" > > } > > > > InitEchonl() > > { > > if [ -x "/bin/echo" ] ; then > > EchoCommand="/bin/echo" > > fi > > if [ -x "/usr/bin/echo" ] ; then > > EchoCommand="/usr/bin/echo" > > fi > > > > if [ `$EchoCommand "x\c"` = "x" ] ; then > > echonl=echoc > > else > > echonl=echon > > fi > > } > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > yesno() > > { > > msg="$1" > > def="$2" > > while true ; do > > echo " " > > $echonl "$msg [$def] " > > read answer > > if [ "$answer" ] ; then > > case "$answer" in > > y|Y|yes|YES) > > return 0 > > ;; > > n|N|no|NO) > > return 1 > > ;; > > *) > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: Invalid response, expected \"yes\" or \"no\"." > > continue > > ;; > > esac > > else > > if [ "$def" = "y" ] > > then > > return 0 > > else > > return 1 > > fi > > fi > > done > > } > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > FindDistFiles() > > { > > # Get the filenames: > > for i in ${ScriptDirectory}/* ; do > > if [ -f "$i" ] ; then > > case $i in > > */licfont.txt*|*/LICFONT.TXT*) LicenseFile="$i" ;; > > */langcom.tar*|*/LANGCOM.TAR*) LangComTar="$i" ;; > > */langchs.tar*|*/LANGCHS.TAR*) LangCHSTar="$i" ;; > > */langcht.tar*|*/LANGCHT.TAR*) LangCHTTar="$i" ;; > > */langjpn.tar*|*/LANGJPN.TAR*) LangJPNTar="$i" ;; > > */langkor.tar*|*/LANGKOR.TAR*) LangKORTar="$i" ;; > > */instlang*|*/INSTLANG*) ;; > > esac > > fi > > done > > > > # Validate the configurations, need at least one lang tar > > if [ -z "$LangCHSTar" \ > > -a -z "$LangCHTTar" \ > > -a -z "$LangJPNTar" \ > > -a -z "$LangKORTar" ] > > then > > return $failure > > fi > > > > if [ -z "$LangComTar" ] > > then > > return $failure > > fi > > > > return $success > > } > > > > TypeCheck() > > { > > h=`type $1 2> /dev/null` > > case " $h " in > > *' '/*/$1' '*) > > return $success > > ;; > > *) > > return $failure > > ;; > > esac > > } > > > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > GetOS() > > { > > TypeCheck uname > > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > > OSname=`uname -s` > > if [ "$OSname" = "AIX" ] ; then > > OSrelease=`uname -a | ( read name host minor major foo ; echo $major. > > $minor )` > > else > > OSrelease=`uname -r` > > fi > > else > > OSname=unknown > > OSrelease=unknown > > fi > > } > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > OutputWelcome() > > { > > echo " " > > echo "Welcome to the Asian Language Kit installation." > > echo " " > > echo "This installation will not work if you do not have the" > > echo "Unix Acrobat Reader 5.0 or a higher version installed" > > echo "prior to this installation. If you do not have Acrobat Reader 5.0" > > echo "or a higher version already installed on your system," > > echo "please do so before installing this Asian Language Kit." > > echo " " > > } > > > > > > OutputLicense () > > { > > TypeCheck $PAGER > > if [ $? -ne 0 ] || [ -z "$PAGER" ] ; then > > command=cat > > TypeCheck pg > > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > > command=pg > > fi > > TypeCheck more > > if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then > > command=more > > fi > > else > > command="$PAGER" > > fi > > > > if [ ! -f "$LicenseFile" ] ; then > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: Cannot find license file ... aborting" > > echo " " > > exit 1 > > fi > > > > echo " " > > $command "$LicenseFile" > > > > answer= > > while [ -z "$answer" ] ; do > > echo " " > > echo " " > > echo "To accept the terms and conditions of this agreement enter > > \"accept\"." > > echo "To decline the terms and conditions of this agreement enter > > \"decline\"." > > echo " " > > $echonl "Please type \"accept\" to accept the terms and conditions of > > this license agreement; Type \"decline\" to exit. " > > read answer > > ucanswer=`echo "${answer}" | tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]'` > > case "$ucanswer" in > > ACCEPT) > > ;; > > DECLINE) > > echo " " > > echo "License not accepted ... aborting installation" > > echo " " > > exit 1 > > ;; > > *) > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: Invalid response, expected \"accept\" or \"decline\" ... > > try again" > > answer= > > ;; > > esac > > done > > } > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > DefaultInstallDir() > > { > > > > case "$OSname" in > > Linux) > > defdir="/usr/local/Acrobat5" > > ;; > > AIX) > > defdir="/usr/lpp/Acrobat5" > > ;; > > *) > > defdir="/opt/Acrobat5" > > ;; > > esac > > > > echo "$defdir" > > } > > > > TestInstallDir() > > { > > dir="$1" > > > > if [ "`expr "X$dir" : 'X/'`" != 2 ] > > then > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: directory must be an absolute path" > > return $failure > > fi > > > > if [ ! -d "$dir" ] > > then > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: Directory \"$dir\" does not exist." > > return $failure > > fi > > > > if [ ! -f "$dir/Reader/AcroVersion" ] > > then > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: AcroVersion file does not exist." > > return $failure > > fi > > > > read Version < "$dir/Reader/AcroVersion" > > if [ 1 -lt "`expr "$Version" : '5.*'`" ] > > then > > echo " " > > echo "Installing..." > > else > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: Incorrect Acrobat version: $Version." > > return $failure > > fi > > > > if ( echo foo > "$dir"/AcroWriteTest ) 2> /dev/null > > then > > rm -f "$dir"/AcroWriteTest > > else > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: Cannot write to directory \"$dir\"." > > return $failure > > fi > > > > return $success > > } > > > > GetInfo() > > { > > var="$1" > > test="$2" > > default="$3" > > tagline="$4" > > val="" > > > > while [ -z "$val" ] > > do > > echo " " > > $echonl "$tagline [$default] " > > > > read ans > > if [ -z "$ans" ] > > then > > ans="$default" > > fi > > > > if $test "$ans" > > then > > val="$ans" > > fi > > done > > > > eval $var=\"$val\" > > } > > > > GetInstallInfo() > > { > > InstallDir="`DefaultInstallDir`" > > > > GetInfo InstallDir TestInstallDir "$InstallDir" \ > > "Enter the location where you installed the Acrobat Reader" > > } > > > > ########################################################################## > > > > ExtractFiles () > > { > > ( cd "$1" ; tar xf "$2" ) > > } > > > > InstallFiles () > > { > > msg="$1" > > install="$2" > > shift > > shift > > > > for i in "$@" ; do > > if [ "$i" ] ; then > > if [ "$msg" ] ; then > > echo " " > > $echonl "$msg" > > msg="" > > fi > > ExtractFiles "$install" "$i" > > fi > > done > > > > if [ -z "$msg" ] ; then > > echo "Done" > > fi > > } > > > > InstallLang() > > { > > FontDir="$InstallDir/Resource/Font" > > > > InstallFiles "Installing Common resources ... " \ > > "$FontDir" "$LangComTar" > > > > InstallFiles "Installing Simplified Chinese language resources ... " \ > > "$FontDir" "$LangCHSTar" > > > > InstallFiles "Installing Traditional Chinese language resources ... " \ > > "$FontDir" "$LangCHTTar" > > > > InstallFiles "Installing Japanese language resources ... " \ > > "$FontDir" "$LangJPNTar" > > > > InstallFiles "Installing Korean language resources ... " \ > > "$FontDir" "$LangKORTar" > > } > > > > ############################################################## > > > > # > > # Initialization: > > # > > > > umask 022 > > > > InitEchonl > > > > ScriptName=`basename $0` > > CurrentDirectory=`pwd` > > ScriptDirectory=`dirname $0` > > case "${ScriptDirectory}" in > > /*) ;; > > .) ScriptDirectory="$CurrentDirectory" ;; > > *) ScriptDirectory="$CurrentDirectory"/"$ScriptDirectory" ;; > > esac > > > > GetOS > > > > FindDistFiles > > if [ $? != $success ] > > then > > echo " " > > echo "ERROR: Could not find distribution ... aborting" > > echo " " > > exit 1 > > fi > > > > OutputWelcome > > if yesno "Continue installation?" "y" > > then > > > > else > > echo "" > > exit 1 > > fi > > > > OutputLicense > > > > GetInstallInfo > > > > InstallLang > > > > echo " " > > echo "Installation completed." > > echo " " > > > > exit 0 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 13:30:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHUcj0025755 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:30:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BHUcMs025754 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:30:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHUbAE025750 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:30:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHUbBq017773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:30:37 -0400 Received: from scruffy.austintheen.com (pcp840385pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.177.129]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHUOsL007371 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:30:24 -0400 Received: from bender.austintheen.com (bender.austintheen.com [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scruffy.austintheen.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0AB21C0A for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Asterisk] Any interest in an Asterisk SIG here? From: Austin Theen To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> References: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-B1wruoJus3Vm2EhoQE3k" Organization: High Gear Solutions Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 13:29:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1115832599.8901.54.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-B1wruoJus3Vm2EhoQE3k Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2005-05-11 at 12:19 -0400, Macy1 Hallock wrote: > I've been investigating Asterisk of late. As a voice/data person I > find it really slick, but haven't progressed very far. I've seen > a bit about this topic posted here and short mentions at meetings, > so there's been some activity, but I'd like to see (and do) more. I've got some Asterisk hardware here that I got when a client of mine showed some interest in doing a Asterisk server. I have two Digium PCI cards. One 'developer kit' single port FXO card that can accept a single POTS line. I also have a four port FXO card that can take four POTS lines. I could part with either digium cards pretty cheap if anyone wants to play with Asterisk and needs the hardware. I haven't got any of this stuff to actually work yet. As the project was terminated before I could really get working on it. > Are there any co-conspirators who might be interested in forming > a SIG or informal group to learn, install, administer and experiment > with Asterisk and related VoIP stuff here?=20 I'd love to learn more about how to get all this stuff to work together, so yeah, count me in!=20 > And is this too organized an approach? > Any comments, suggestions? > How about any rants, raves or just some narrative about what > you've done with this technology? > Or just post some working configuration files? Well, our Sarasota lug group is about as organized as a group of cats. But we manage to learn from each other and have a good time at the bars.=20 Austin --=20 Austin Theen, Freelance Network Engineer High Gear Solutions Linux | Windows | Mac OS/X | Networks | Internet | Databases=20 Mobile (941) 323-6282 368 Briarwood Road, Venice, FL 34293 --=-B1wruoJus3Vm2EhoQE3k Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCgkEXx7SC1o6xitYRAjC3AKCfAgkNbG5it3VhSjnG2JEymdSggACfSiki JNc3Gbr4SIKSEYja8ewYfsU= =k5dm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-B1wruoJus3Vm2EhoQE3k-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 13:54:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHsGgc025893 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:54:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BHsGTB025892 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:54:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHsGon025888 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:54:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHsFJI019363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:54:16 -0400 Received: from msa2-mx.centurytel.net (msa2-mx.centurytel.net [209.142.136.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BHrtoT005437 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 13:53:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.8] (d3-107.rb5.clm.centurytel.net [69.29.98.107]) by msa2-mx.centurytel.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4BHrstn029616 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 12:53:55 -0500 Message-ID: <4282466F.2070408@glennmeyer.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:52:47 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop References: <42812075.4080000@glennmeyer.com> <428135F5.1060205@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <428135F5.1060205@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.765, required 6, AWL 1.53, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_81 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, I got lucky. I downloaded, configured, compiled, installed kernel 2.6.11.8 this morning and I can now unplug from the AC power supply and plug back in without locking up!! Problem solved. Thank you all for your replies. Now back to working on getting the Orinoco Gold wireless card working. Robert Snyder wrote: > Glenn Meyer wrote: > >> Yes, I thought that BIOS looked old, but it was newer than what was >> already installed, so I flashed it, but no help. >> >> Thank you all for your help. Sounds like shutting down and rebooting >> may be the best option (ok - only option) at this point. >> > > You might want to install bareacpi.i kernel for slackware and see if > that helps any. it is setting on the cd1 of 10.1 > >> >> >> John Pugh wrote: >> >>> The BIOS in the Armada has known issues that most likely have never >>> been fixed (last bios update is 2002). Compaq had customized some >>> items in windows to allow for those issues and most likely you are >>> encountering these bios issues. >>> >>> I would turn off power management, personally. However, the newer >>> kernels and powersave packages may support workarounds for the bios >>> shortcomings. I use my M700 with a docking station and don't need >>> power management, but have left the default settings with SUSE LINUX >>> 9.3 pro with no problems (ACPI is on, but it's not regulating power >>> since I'm on A/C constantly). So far...no problems. >>> >>> JP >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>> Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 14:58:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BIwNTr026302 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:58:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BIwN5u026301 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:58:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BIwNWF026297 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:58:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BIvkGI021965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:58:23 -0400 Received: from server1.e-mailrelay.com (host.netelligen.com [66.103.151.194] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BIvXZp011174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 14:57:37 -0400 Received: from mail.e-mailrelay.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by server1.e-mailrelay.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4BJ4pQH010767 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:04:51 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by mail.e-mailrelay.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j4BJ4p8M010766; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:04:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: mail.e-mailrelay.com: apache set sender to jr@squeak.cc using -f Received: from 67.78.182.190 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jr); by secure.e-mailrelay.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2742.67.78.182.190.1115838291.squirrel@67.78.182.190> In-Reply-To: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> References: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Asterisk] Any interest in an Asterisk SIG here? From: jr@squeak.cc To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on server1.e-mailrelay.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -104.562 () BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME,USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 127.0.0.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.714, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16, SARE_HEAD_HDR_XSPAMSC 0.56) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually I am I have not gone very far with it. But I have been very interested in using it. I am strong w/ linux but weak on the telecom side, namely voice. But I am interesting in forming a group. > Greetings to the SLUG list readers. > I've been lurking on the SLUG list for the past few weeks, > I really appreciate the positive attitude and response I see. > Reminds me a bit of usenet in its best days, long since past... > > By way of introduction, I'm an ex-ISP owner (recently sold), > now relocated to Lutz. I'm new to SLUG and this list. > I'm a dangerous amateur at Linux (RH and Fedora, mostly). My core > background is telecom (ex-GTE Ohio), data (Cisco, Novell, Sun, RH) > and network/ISP integration, i.e. jack of all trades, master of none. > (A google of my name will give you more info about my past activities.) > > I've been investigating Asterisk of late. As a voice/data person I > find it really slick, but haven't progressed very far. I've seen > a bit about this topic posted here and short mentions at meetings, > so there's been some activity, but I'd like to see (and do) more. > > Are there any co-conspirators who might be interested in forming > a SIG or informal group to learn, install, administer and experiment > with Asterisk and related VoIP stuff here? > > And is this too organized an approach? > Any comments, suggestions? > How about any rants, raves or just some narrative about what > you've done with this technology? > Or just post some working configuration files? > > -- > Macy Hallock - Hallock Consulting - Lutz, FL + Medina, OH > Tel 813-632-2988 Cell 813-493-8899 Email macy1 (at) hallock.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 15:12:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BJCvlV026396 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BJCv3p026395 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BJCvgV026391 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BJCuW8022601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:57 -0400 Received: from smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com [205.234.170.134]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BJClSW022965 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:47 -0400 Received: from smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E188B124 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authenticated-Name: revbrovt X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com Received: from [192.168.1.100] (242849hfc234.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.28.49.234]) by smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42825938.6000500@ariestechgroup.com> Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 15:12:56 -0400 From: Steven Van Tilburg Organization: Aries Technology Group User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Asterisk] Any interest in an Asterisk SIG here? References: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> In-Reply-To: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes. I've actually been investigating Asterisk lately, mostly research and downloading the Asterisk@Home ISO. I'm primarily a hardware (systems) junkie, with stronger experience in Windows desktops and servers, but I'm definately interested. VT Macy1 Hallock wrote: > > I've been investigating Asterisk of late. As a voice/data person I > find it really slick, but haven't progressed very far. I've seen > a bit about this topic posted here and short mentions at meetings, > so there's been some activity, but I'd like to see (and do) more. > > Are there any co-conspirators who might be interested in forming > a SIG or informal group to learn, install, administer and experiment > with Asterisk and related VoIP stuff here? > And is this too organized an approach? > Any comments, suggestions? > How about any rants, raves or just some narrative about what > you've done with this technology? > Or just post some working configuration files? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 16:06:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BK6u9g026762 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:06:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4BK6utu026761 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:06:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BK6uCK026757 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:06:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BK6l0x025096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:06:56 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (static-68-238-170-98.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [68.238.170.98]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4BK6Oaq030720 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 16:06:25 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 0D17422800A; Wed, 11 May 2005 15:54:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Wed, 11 May 2005 19:54:40 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" Subject: [SLUG] Network issues possibly related to Samba MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050511195441.0D17422800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.619, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, RATWARE_HASH_2_V2 1.62) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello everyone, I have a linux server setup emulating a Windows Domain controller using Samba. 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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] LEDs to show the status and network activity on Smoothwall box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.505, required 6, AWL 0.70, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://martybugs.net/smoothwall/leds.cgi ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 21:37:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C1bTjB028944 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:37:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4C1bTiZ028943 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:37:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C1bS4Q028939 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:37:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C1bSWN005035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:37:28 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C1bDiJ009149 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:37:13 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4C1bBlu027167 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200505120137.j4C1bBlu027167@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: [SLUG] OT - MS eliminates Blue Screen of Death in Longhorn Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:42:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcVWk+X7FFgNXOt6R666R54mcwd0uA== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.936, required 6, AWL -0.94, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Microsoft has eliminated the Blue Screen of Death in Longhorn. Now its red... http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2005/05/07/415335.aspx Who says they don't innovate? Ken Elliott ===================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 11 23:28:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C3SThf029690 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4C3STj8029689 for slug-track29; Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C3SShr029685 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C3SSaR008841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:28 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C3SCNr013255 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 23:28:13 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 May 2005 21:28:12 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 21:11:10 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network issues possibly related to Samba Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.727, required 6, AWL 1.17, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4C3SShr029686 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >I have a linux server setup emulating a Windows Domain controller using Samba. >There have been a few occasions where all workstations 'lock up' for short >intervals. Has anyone come across any issues like this? I've looked through the >Samba log files, specifically looking during the time when these lockups occur, >but have found nothing out of the ordinary. We are in the process of doing something similar (on a bit larger scale - roughly 500 servers and 12,000 windows clients) and had run into a similar experience. In working with some of the current Samba developers (as you know we (Novell) recently hired Jeremy Allison) have made many improvements to Samba 3 (current stable is 3.0.14a) that fixes some issues related to this - I don't know exactly what was fixed and exactly what the issues are, but you may wish to check for updates to your distro's code. Most likely the fixes for the high cpu loads and/or SMB_ASSERT will help tremendously. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 02:13:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C6D6EV030689 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:13:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4C6D6Dq030688 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:13:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C6D6wl030684 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:13:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C6D0Bx015863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:13:06 -0400 Received: from hannibal.dreamhost.com (hannibal.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.25]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C6CnPg013612 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 02:12:49 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (167-116.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.116.167]) by hannibal.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715FD175124 for ; Wed, 11 May 2005 23:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Asterisk] Any interest in an Asterisk SIG here? Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 02:10:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> In-Reply-To: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505120210.26226.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.365, required 6, AWL -0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS 1.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 11 May 2005 12:19, Macy1 Hallock wrote: > Are there any co-conspirators who might be interested in forming > a SIG or informal group to learn, install, administer and experiment > with Asterisk and related VoIP stuff here? > > And is this too organized an approach? > Any comments, suggestions? > How about any rants, raves or just some narrative about what > you've done with this technology? > Or just post some working configuration files? Well, as someone who's sells Asterisk end to end solutions, I can say this is a really good technology. Though there already are some six-seven official asterisk lists under Digium (the developer). This is the main one for user discussions: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users Adding yet another one IS going to reproduce the same questions that has already been answered there, and none would probably be able to answer them. It is a fairly complex system, but not too hard once you got the hang of it. : ) I.e. it's quite logical if you understand a bit of telecom. But you need to get over that hump. I have a script which installs, backup, update etc. It cuts down a bit of the labor of getting it up and running: http://szmidt.org/asterisk/asterisk-update.sh You'll need a Digium or Sangoma card to get the timing, or you will need to build a module to emulate that. I suggest a card. Sangoma builds superior quality cards, but we are still waiting for the analog card to come out. Don't bother with the USB cards - absolutely useless! To get started you should go to the WIKI, it's your friend. http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 03:10:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7At0m031077 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:10:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4C7AtJl031076 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:10:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7Asxg031072 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:10:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7AeOU018027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:10:54 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7AMCQ021592 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:10:22 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.10] (6532231hfc86.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.231.86]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4C7AJGK010552 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] [Asterisk] Any interest in an Asterisk SIG here? From: 404 To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> References: <428230A5.3070409@hallock.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:18:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1115882320.6692.5.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.11, required 6, AWL 1.21, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS 0.58) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I too would be interested =] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 03:27:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7RUwt031261 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:27:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4C7RUuP031260 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:27:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7RUUW031256 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:27:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7RUpd018916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:27:30 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4C7RNkv026085 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:27:23 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.10] (6532231hfc86.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.231.86]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4C7RLb6024801 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 03:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Linksys WRT54G Firmware From: 404 To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:35:42 -0400 Message-Id: <1115883342.6692.15.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.071, required 6, AWL 1.25, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS 0.58) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A power surge a month or so ago forced me to get a new router for the house, so I decided to get a Linksys WRT54G as the firmware on it has been hacked up by a few people. I'm currently running HyperWRT (hyperwrt.sf.net) and was wondering if anyone has had any luck with the others out there. I tried the sveasoft firmware and it pretty much bricked my router (that and their practices are not what I would consider beneficial to the GPL / community) and my router version (2.2) is not supported by OpenWRT...yet. When I say that the sveasoft firmware bricked my router, the 4ports were dead but the wireless worked, so I could get in to it and play around with it. The options it had were very nice but if it can't pull an IP via the RJ45 it's no good. I just wanted to see if any other sluggers out there were using modded firmware and if so what are they using / how is it performing. Matt (404) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 13:09:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CH9VXA002640 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:09:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4CH9V0a002639 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:09:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CH9VHt002635 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:09:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CH9VbN009190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:09:31 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CH9G5p004818 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:09:16 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so82660rne for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=npB/7dKJYXAZplfhxADGuY/1/+3GphPMGyXbR63g4hXtE8xv5w8LJz6rz1DOIGewHiR2B2uQtbrqMrOp4j3VpARTiMq0fr2jl47nkWEsYSpzc4NXxeOCMwBxN9aT+FATUm3RNjwIVrdsKUWvr/hV90inVexxTYlYvQ89feILfgg= Received: by 10.11.116.47 with SMTP id o47mr42271cwc; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.94.69 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd05051210094717f44c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:09:15 -0400 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network issues possibly related to Samba In-Reply-To: <20050511195441.0D17422800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_451_4402869.1115917755616" References: <20050511195441.0D17422800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.672, required 6, AWL -1.25, BAYES_01 -1.52, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_451_4402869.1115917755616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Do these workstations also have their z:\ drive mapped to a samba share?=20 Many windows configurations stall/stutter if there is any kind of disruptio= n=20 to that drive, until the connection is restored. One way to determine if=20 there are burps in the connection is to open a file with an exclusive lock= =20 (a la Outlook/pst) and see if there are problems accessing the file after= =20 these lock ups. As to what is causing the burps... could be network, too high a load on th= e=20 server, ??? ~ Daniel ------=_Part_451_4402869.1115917755616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Do these workstations also have their z:\ drive mapped to a samba shar= e?  Many windows configurations stall/stutter if there is any kind of&= nbsp;disruption to that drive, until the connection is restored.  One = way to determine if there are burps in the connection is to open a file wit= h an exclusive lock (a la Outlook/pst) and see if there are problems access= ing the file after these lock ups.
 
As to what is causing the burps... could be network, too high a load o= n the server, ???
 
~ Daniel
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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 13:21:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CHL261002772 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:21:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4CHL2kZ002771 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:21:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CHL2sH002767 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:21:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CHL1Ef009648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:21:01 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CHKn7Y030795 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:20:49 -0400 Received: from digitalhermit.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EB3E1E for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 12.43.115.201 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4321.12.43.115.201.1115918573.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05051210094717f44c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050511195441.0D17422800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> <125d27dd05051210094717f44c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network issues possibly related to Samba From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.868, required 6, AWL -2.08, BAYES_44 -0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Do these workstations also have their z:\ drive mapped to a samba share? > Many windows configurations stall/stutter if there is any kind of disruption > to that drive, until the connection is restored. One way to determine if > there are burps in the connection is to open a file with an exclusive lock > (a la Outlook/pst) and see if there are problems accessing the file after > these lock ups. > As to what is causing the burps... could be network, too high a load on the > server, ??? > ~ Daniel > I've seen it before with some regularity. Check the samba log files. When I was experiencing lockups there were hundreds of packets being transmitted with various errors. Running a tcpdump will show the packet types. It seemed to be less regular if the drives were explicitly mapped, but I never verified this. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 14:42:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CIg5t2003284 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:42:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4CIg5Gm003283 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CIg5AL003279 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CIg1qX012572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4CIfqVk014034 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 14:41:53 -0400 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.100.30.179]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IGE00L9A3XI5YI9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 12 May 2005 13:41:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:41:41 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linksys WRT54G Firmware In-reply-to: <1115883342.6692.15.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200505121441.41521.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <1115883342.6692.15.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.678, required 6, AWL 0.23, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Matt, I've been using sveasoft on four of my WRT54G's. The version I'm using is Satori-4_0. The latest public release is Alchemy. I haven't tried it. (Talisman is the newest version.) I think there is an issue of loading software that exceeds 3.6Mb (if I remember the figure correctly). It can't be done (successfully) via the http interface; instead TFTP is required. One thing I noticed with Satori in AP mode (router), was that when Verizon (DSL) changed the IP address the router was not picking up the change. I had to cycle the power. It must have had something to do with Verizon changing something, as it had been working when the addresses were a different group. It sounds like your unit is not really "bricked" in that it is "somewhat" working, so you ought to be able to load software (e.g. via TFTP). If it really gets bricked (and not smoked) one can make up an EJTAG cable and reload the loader. If you are only interested in using it as plain router, then the Linksys software should be sufficient, though again, reloading may require using TFTP. As I remember I tried going back to Linksys via the http interface and got an error message about "wrong version," so it might take some "messing around" to get it loaded. BTW, I lost 2 routers (as well as some hubs) last year to lightning surges. Surprisingly, the DSL modem survived (which means they must have some built-in protection). After the 2nd one blew, I put in surge protection "everywhere"--spark-gap on the phone line where it comes in, and ethernet surge protectors on each of the ports that are connected, and of course the power is surge protected, with all connected to common ground. I'll see how it survives this summer. Don On Thursday 12 May 2005 03:35, 404 wrote: > A power surge a month or so ago forced me to get a new router for the > house, so I decided to get a Linksys WRT54G as the firmware on it has > been hacked up by a few people. > > I'm currently running HyperWRT (hyperwrt.sf.net) and was wondering if > anyone has had any luck with the others out there. I tried the sveasoft > firmware and it pretty much bricked my router (that and their practices > are not what I would consider beneficial to the GPL / community) and my > router version (2.2) is not supported by OpenWRT...yet. > > When I say that the sveasoft firmware bricked my router, the 4ports were > dead but the wireless worked, so I could get in to it and play around > with it. The options it had were very nice but if it can't pull an IP > via the RJ45 it's no good. > > I just wanted to see if any other sluggers out there were using modded > firmware and if so what are they using / how is it performing. > > Matt (404) > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 21:16:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1G84E005862 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:16:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4D1G8kV005861 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:16:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1G8sR005857 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:16:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1G81U027540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:16:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1FqI4008510 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:15:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.5.21] (2416441hfc70.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.164.41.70]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4D1FoEg004220 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4284A8B3.3060407@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:16:35 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linksys WRT54G Firmware References: <1115883342.6692.15.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> In-Reply-To: <1115883342.6692.15.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.526, required 6, AWL 1.04, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 3.33) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 404 wrote: >A power surge a month or so ago forced me to get a new router for the >house, so I decided to get a Linksys WRT54G as the firmware on it has >been hacked up by a few people. > > I used the Alchemy version of Sveasoft on a WRT54G once. Everything went very smoothly. One of my customers needed a slightly sophisticated firewall setup, and the built-in Linksys interface couldn't cut it. Sveasoft worked fine, including the WAN port and at least two of the other RJ-45 ports (I didn't try the wireless stuff, it wasn't needed). --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 12 21:40:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1e0XJ006015 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:40:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4D1e0Yp006014 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:40:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1dxKl006010 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:40:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1dxKA028427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:39:59 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f16.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.26]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4D1djJt008629 for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:39:45 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:39:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.209 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 May 2005 01:39:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.209] X-Originating-Email: [akimbomoons@hotmail.com] X-Sender: akimbomoons@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <427D7C61.6060309@digitalhermit.com> From: "Chad Sine" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 01:39:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 01:39:44.0764 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3DC03C0:01C5575C] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.863, required 6, AWL -1.57, BAYES_44 -0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Shooting old computer equipment up is fun. About a month ago, A friend and I took a CD based network storage device out to myakka for some shooting. We plugged 100 rounds from an AR-15, 60 rounds from an AK-74, A few dozen shotgun shells and assorted small arms into it. It was shrapnel... You just need to know a redneck. They have the land, and the Maddog 20/20 on lock down. :-) Chad ____\_________________ / _____________________ | ______________()() < * * | Microsoft Computer | |-------|") \ |_____________________| >From: Kwan Lowe >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hardware give away II >Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 22:41:37 -0400 > >chris lee wrote: >>allways interested in gun range fodder. >> >>computers blow up in the strangest ways when you shoot them. >> >Always wanted to do this...only problem is that there are no ranges in S. >Florida that will let you cart anything metal out there. Most don't even >let you use human silhouette targets... >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 13 07:49:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBnBcs010148 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:49:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4DBnBp7010147 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:49:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBnAMb010143 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:49:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBnARG022395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:49:10 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBmvWo002983 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:48:57 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:48:56 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:50:50 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: [SLUG] Novell acquires Immunix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.322, required 6, AWL -1.32) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4DBnAMb010144 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Not sure if everyone had seen this...this is the start of a push for us to put security issues in Linux to bed for good (at least make it REAL difficult for the best hackers). http://www.novell.com/products/apparmor/ has details on the acquisition and the first product that we are releasing as part of the acquisition. Some detail is below. Novell announced that it has acquired Immunix, Inc., a top provider of host-based application security solutions for Linux. Immunix technology stops attacks before they can impact the sytstem, assuring the integrity of servers, and eliminating the need for constant security patching, all while increasing up time and raising system efficiency. Immunix, founded in Portland, Oregon in 1998, was instrumental in the development of the security architecture of the Linux kernel, and has close ties with the Linux development community. Novell is announcing a new product called Novell AppArmor, Powered by Immunix. This easy-to-use software offers a set of pre-defined security policies for popular applications such as Web, e-mail and remote login, as well as wizards which make it easy to create and deploy custom security policies. The built-in reporting and alert features allow IT professionals to ensure compliance with security regulations quickly and easily, and to receive instant notifications when intrusions do occur. The software helps customers deploy application security policy in hours, not days. It facilitates risk management by providing powerful kernel-level application security. The Apache "chunking" bug that lead to the widespread "slapper" worm is one example of a software vulnerability that Novell AppArmor can neutralize. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 13 07:51:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBpKUn010177 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:51:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4DBpKqi010176 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:51:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBpKHw010172 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:51:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBpKYD022477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:51:20 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBpBwY003268 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:51:12 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:51:11 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:53:09 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] interesting RedHat news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.106, required 6, AWL -1.33, BAYES_44 -0.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.23) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4DBpKHw010173 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What's even more interesting at the 2nd news item is the fact that this investment was done by Dell's private investment firm (w/o Dell's knowledge - which is common), invested back in late last year, and has lost nearly 60% of it's value in that time. JP >>> dkoobs@dkoobs.com 05/11/05 10:41 am >>> I just wanted to call attention to a couple of recent interesting stories regarding RedHat. Of course, if you're a regular at SlashDot and OSNews, you've already seen these: Matthew Szulik and Steve Balmer dine together in NY: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10558 http://news.com.com/A+Microsoft-Red+Hat+warming+trend/2100-7344_3-5701700.html?tag=nefd.top Michael Dell invests $100 Million in Redhat: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1221229&tid=110&tid=98&tid=106 http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7787642/ Could these two be related in any way? Will MS begin to port some products to Linux, like they have for Apple? Could Dell start shipping products with RedHat installed (if they don't already)? Should I add another layer to my tin foil hat? Or is this the beginning of the inevitable Linux world domination prophesied for so long? And does this belong on the Politics list? I'm forclempt... 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 13 07:53:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBrTwV010205 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:53:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4DBrTIB010204 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:53:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBrTd1010200 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:53:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBrSL5022540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:53:28 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBrJXG024373 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:53:19 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:53:19 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:55:16 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network issues possibly related to Samba Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.844, required 6, AWL 1.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4DBrTd1010201 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> kwan@digitalhermit.com 05/12/05 1:22 pm >>> > I've seen it before with some regularity. Check the samba log files. When I > was experiencing lockups there were hundreds of packets being transmitted with > various errors. Running a tcpdump will show the packet types.  It seemed to be > less regular if the drives were explicitly mapped, but I never verified this. > What Kwan describes is what was fixed in the latest stable release by Jeremy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 13 07:59:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBxAM9010256 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:59:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4DBxA8p010255 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:59:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBxAUw010251 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:59:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBxAuc022732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:59:10 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DBx05s004090 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 07:59:00 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 May 2005 05:59:00 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 05:58:47 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] power issues on laptop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.812, required 6, AWL -0.29, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4DBxAUw010252 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Rock on. ACPI support in 2.6.5+ kernels is mucho bettero. Can't help much with orinoco - never had a problem when I used the orinoco_cs "drivers". Now with power - tweak the powersave.conf (if you use powersaved) and play with suspend...not as good as MS suspend tools, but I use it regularly with my Novell Linux Desktop and it works perfectly (most of the time!) JP >>> glenn@glennmeyer.com 05/11/05 1:52 pm >>> Well,  I got lucky.  I downloaded, configured, compiled, installed kernel 2.6.11.8 this morning and I can now unplug from the AC power supply and plug back in without locking up!!  Problem solved. Thank you all for your replies. Now back to working on getting the Orinoco Gold wireless card working. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 13 10:31:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DEVA9n011271 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:31:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4DEVASP011270 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:31:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DEVAYm011266 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:31:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DEV9J0029091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:31:09 -0400 Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DEUscR024313 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:30:55 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DWbBm-0006OR-Or for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:30:54 -0400 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A7AEE70CA21 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 66.15.89.64 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42652.66.15.89.64.1115994995.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 10:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] interesting RedHat news From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac06b48d29827cfba20c2b095681a1b4dba321139c2a22290dc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.374, required 6, AWL -1.13, BAYES_60 1.59, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4DEVAYm011267 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pugh said: > What's even more interesting at the 2nd news item is the fact that this investment > was done by Dell's private investment firm (w/o Dell's knowledge - which is common), > invested back in late last year, and has lost nearly 60% of it's value in that time. > > JP I'm no financial wiz, but that's not how I read it. The original investment was made by MSD, which is Michael Dell's investment firm (MSD are Dell's initials). I don't remember reading that is done without his knowledge, although that very well could be the case. Also, it was not a purchase of shares, but of debentures, with an option to exchange for a certain amount of shares at a future time. The story stated that MSD has just used that option to change over the debenture to shares, even though the shares are worth 60% less than the face value of the debentures. If I am reading this correctly (and that is a big IF) it seems that MSD believes that the RedHat share price will rise soon. Otherwise, why would they trade $100M in debt for $40M worth of equity? Doug ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 13 10:59:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DExTlI011424 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:59:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4DExTIw011423 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:59:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DExTQB011419 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:59:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DExSIE030014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:59:28 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4DExGHe018433 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 10:59:16 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 May 2005 08:59:15 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:59:02 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: , Subject: Re: [SLUG] interesting RedHat news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.311, required 6, AWL -1.31) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4DExTQB011420 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> dkoobs@dkoobs.com 05/13/05 10:36 am >>> >If I am reading this correctly (and that is a big IF) it seems that MSD believes >that the RedHat share price will rise soon. Otherwise, why would they trade $100M in >debt for $40M worth of equity? You got it. The fact of the matter is that the 100m in today's numbers is worth 40m. So it *could* be as the article points out that MSD bought it to hedge a short sale (convertible arbitrage) where MSD would ultimately want the stock to decrease to make a significant chunk of cash. Who knows. Bottom line is everyone is making it out to be Dell is making a significant investment in RH when it's really Dell's personal investment company is trying to make MORE money. It's quite interesting how the press will blow a simple event into something that it is not. Even more interesting that MSNBC appears to be the FIRST to pick it up even if it was nearly 10 days after the filing was made. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 15 15:59:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FJx6hX032605 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 15:59:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4FJx6X8032604 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 May 2005 15:59:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FJx5Jk032600 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 15:59:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FJx5AL000634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 15:59:05 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FJufVC020205 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 15:56:41 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so614841rng for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HyzyE5MNZQfS5jjsWX82+e/5gCIKxakKrr3jwQIeugo4V/+GwlzCMkle5rGJYEQgrvDxYEJ7syNOIJIFtpXfljmvNjIcCyF7eSED+BnuhEMA3JrAed5LMdK9xXIsh1Lt2MuKqr7v2Mjy3+Z5gCkRXHc+wAutYW3FGJ9Hq48Ek2M= Received: by 10.38.71.62 with SMTP id t62mr2539609rna; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2005 12:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705051512567418533@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 15:56:40 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Shell Scripts.. Time to learn Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.379, required 6, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4FJx5Jk032601 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well this is the next piece. All I want to do is a simple little script that will read from a file in the /proc/network directory. I have a little script that has the following cat /proc/net/rose sleep 2 Now I am trying to figure out how to loop it back, I guess I can jump out of it with a ^C. I am looking at the books and was hoping to find something along this line as a sample to follow. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 15 17:25:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLPYWp000776 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:25:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4FLPYx4000775 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:25:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLPY5F000771 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:25:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLPXg5004453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:25:34 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLPJcP032513 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:25:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944A9224 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4287BDF4.6040808@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:24:04 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Shell Scripts.. Time to learn References: <620c905705051512567418533@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705051512567418533@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.547, required 6, AWL -1.12, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Well this is the next piece. All I want to do is a simple little script that > will read from a file in the /proc/network directory. > > I have a little script that has the following > > cat /proc/net/rose > sleep 2 > Now I am trying to figure out how to loop it back, I guess I can jump out of > it with a ^C. I am looking at the books and was hoping to find something > along this line as a sample to follow. > You can use a while loop as follows: while true do cat /proc/net/rose sleep 2 done ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 15 17:37:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLbG8H000848 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:37:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4FLbG0W000847 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:37:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLbGDu000843 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:37:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLbFVv004790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:37:16 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4FLb0CW000975 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:37:00 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4FLawpq023772 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 17:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 17:35:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Shell Scripts.. Time to learn In-Reply-To: <620c905705051512567418533@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Well this is the next piece. All I want to do is a simple little script that > will read from a file in the /proc/network directory. > > I have a little script that has the following > > cat /proc/net/rose > sleep 2 > Now I am trying to figure out how to loop it back, I guess I can jump out of > it with a ^C. I am looking at the books and was hoping to find something > along this line as a sample to follow. while true ; do cat /proc/net/rose sleep 2 done or more succinctly (and just a smidge faster) while : ; do cat /proc/net/rose sleep 2 done But why don't you do watch -n 2 tail proc/net/rose instead? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar SAGITTARIUS: All your friends are laughing behind your back... kill them. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 00:01:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4G41b7I003424 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 00:01:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4G41bCa003423 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 00:01:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4G41bqg003419 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 00:01:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4G41Zm9021542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 00:01:36 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4G40Y4C022576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 00:00:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 21262 invoked from network); 16 May 2005 04:00:33 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-171-83.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.171.83) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 04:00:33 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8DB20125339; Sun, 15 May 2005 23:45:12 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050516034512.8DB20125339@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 23:45:12 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.835, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 May 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 28 May 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 30 May 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) Panera Bread 1908 4th St North St Petersburg, FL 33704 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 2 June 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 09:55:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GDtDe6007665 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 09:55:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4GDtDOv007664 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 09:55:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GDtD2c007660 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 09:55:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GDtD0l018925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 09:55:13 -0400 Received: from smtp.kennedykrieger.org (smtp2.kennedykrieger.org [12.110.106.23]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GDsvaZ009835 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 09:54:57 -0400 Received: from fminside.kennedykrieger.org (HELO delilah) (192.168.170.200) by smtp.kennedykrieger.org with ESMTP; 16 May 2005 09:54:43 -0400 X-SBRS: None X-MID: 5684342 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,111,1115006400"; d="scan'208"; a="5684342:sNHT14770800" Subject: [SLUG] Interesting mirror From: "R. Samuel Jose, Jr." To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:54:41 -0400 Message-Id: <1116251681.7765.5.camel@delilah> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.334, required 6, AWL -0.33, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So there I am this weekend, downloading iso's of Fedora Core. I go to the page of download mirrors and near the bottom of "USA East" I see: http://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ ftp://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ rsync://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ Looking it up on the browser showed that yes it is THAT playboy.com. Upon hearing this, my wife nonchalantly replied, "They're into everything." Hef's a linux fanboy. Who knew? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 15:58:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GJw6Ci010103 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:58:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4GJw6pB010102 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:58:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GJw6kJ010098 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:58:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GJw5FP031234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:58:06 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GJvq8T027125 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:57:52 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2410396wri for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fX1jQfAECMa5mutjX35+1UwJvu0e/SjMI7OSfTwqT3OW+xzJ11EzZh8xNBQwu5UvVsHbyFdLqL4mQD55BzhDoXC/danvSN2HidwUgZsG3C0FVStyuHq6DcTU8J0iURQL3LOw3H4YGfdjoz4zxlXk0qn9v8yXIw74qC2w6LQsHqE= Received: by 10.54.51.5 with SMTP id y5mr3853593wry; Mon, 16 May 2005 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.31.19 with HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2005 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2c888f2605051612571d45d1ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 15:57:51 -0400 From: Ethan Zimmerman To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting mirror In-Reply-To: <1116251681.7765.5.camel@delilah> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1116251681.7765.5.camel@delilah> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.9, required 6, AWL 1.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4GJw6kJ010099 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes! I noticed this a month or two ago when I went to download FC2 x86_64. It was blazing fast too. -ethan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 16:48:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GKmSWn010470 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 16:48:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4GKmSxJ010469 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 16:48:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GKmRCZ010465 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 16:48:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GKmR1t000363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 16:48:27 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GKmIO7015185 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 16:48:18 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.202.87]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IGL00BXJOGFOBD1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 May 2005 15:48:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 16:48:25 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting mirror In-reply-to: <1116251681.7765.5.camel@delilah> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <42890719.2020302@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <1116251681.7765.5.camel@delilah> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.822, required 6, AWL 1.82, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net R. Samuel Jose, Jr. wrote: >So there I am this weekend, downloading iso's of Fedora Core. I go to >the page of download mirrors and near the bottom of "USA East" I see: > >http://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ >ftp://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ >rsync://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ > >Looking it up on the browser showed that yes it is THAT playboy.com. > >Upon hearing this, my wife nonchalantly replied, "They're into >everything." > >Hef's a linux fanboy. Who knew? > > It could be Hef's daughter is a linux fanboy she is the one running the Playboy now. > > >Disclaimer: >The materials in this e-mail are private and may contain Protected Health Information. Please note that e-mail is not necessarily confidential or secure. Your use of e-mail constitutes your acknowledgment of these confidentiality and security limitations. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that any unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender via telephone or return e-mail. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 17:08:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GL8uqt010599 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 17:08:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4GL8uPY010598 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 17:08:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GL8uKQ010594 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 17:08:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GL8t8F000840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 17:08:56 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4GL8hbn015233 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 17:08:43 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2443202wri for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pawQBzPAB5Xo/T1wbbr+Wj4enVhtU/EDKYtpSjisXcVvcqfGJkrs4zoEJ2w3mtVTxRywS6lTsOJplH9MNlpSbIARUE0Fog0a66Gz/mxJrmtJ+dS6EKp1YjqShNuVcXf/sTT3df4XAVS+i5Laq16OYZQNqV/hPHh9lmI6acxakgA= Received: by 10.54.41.78 with SMTP id o78mr3889371wro; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.16 with HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2005 14:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 17:08:42 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting mirror In-Reply-To: <42890719.2020302@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1116251681.7765.5.camel@delilah> <42890719.2020302@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.228, required 6, AWL -0.70, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4GL8uKQ010595 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net so when you wife catches you porn surfing you can show her that link and tell her you were looking for linux isos. On 5/16/05, Robert Snyder wrote: > R. Samuel Jose, Jr. wrote: > > >So there I am this weekend, downloading iso's of Fedora Core. I go to > >the page of download mirrors and near the bottom of "USA East" I see: > > > >http://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ > >ftp://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ > >rsync://mirrors.playboy.com/fedora/ > > > >Looking it up on the browser showed that yes it is THAT playboy.com. > > > >Upon hearing this, my wife nonchalantly replied, "They're into > >everything." > > > >Hef's a linux fanboy. Who knew? > > > > > > It could be Hef's daughter is a linux fanboy she is the one running the > Playboy now. > > > > > > >Disclaimer: > >The materials in this e-mail are private and may contain Protected Health Information. Please note that e-mail is not necessarily confidential or secure. Your use of e-mail constitutes your acknowledgment of these confidentiality and security limitations. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that any unauthorized use, disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender via telephone or return e-mail. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 21:24:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H1OvtG012501 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:24:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4H1OvUq012500 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:24:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H1OvrS012496 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:24:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H1OrCM011326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:24:57 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H1Nw7G031364 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:23:58 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so795756rng for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OqqCCRKEPMUi7qwuIvh2Hym9MBpGVA7RzoVN5rCDWXC4EuI2aPycYF8fp9j/8hz1bYr6uetOiqXMNU1m7jxAtyduTPUbNwvzOfgfR17CgxvNZ9dzVcYvnFRclYYeQteLTW2ZXnHx6ucbYqUr2y8GyDbmVGStyPcivIKV7zN32o0= Received: by 10.38.151.80 with SMTP id y80mr3188027rnd; Mon, 16 May 2005 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.149.3 with HTTP; Mon, 16 May 2005 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:23:52 -0400 From: Bleeber To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Serial to USB Connector Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4H1OvrS012497 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Can anyone reccommend a usb to serial port adapter for linux that I can use to connect to cisco/foundry switches at work? I am asuming I will use minicom, however if anyone knows an easier approach, I am open to suggestions. Thanks in advance! -- The Bleeber ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 22:05:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H25hY5012762 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:05:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4H25h2R012761 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:05:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H25gJj012757 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:05:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H25aMY012737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:05:42 -0400 Received: from web1.enetx.net ([216.136.71.244]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H247S2005792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:04:11 -0400 Received: from deebo.hogston.lan (web1.enetx.net [216.136.71.244]) by web1.enetx.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4H2CvKZ023162 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:12:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sean@hogston.com) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Serial to USB Connector From: Sean Hogston To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:05:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1116295501.6642.4.camel@deebo.hogston.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I use the keyspan usb to serial adapter part # USA-19HS Linux saw it no problem. Sean On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 21:23 -0400, Bleeber wrote: > Can anyone reccommend a usb to serial port adapter for linux that I > can use to connect to cisco/foundry switches at work? I am asuming I > will use minicom, however if anyone knows an easier approach, I am > open to suggestions. Thanks in advance! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 16 22:36:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H2ajcb013005 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4H2ajGK013004 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H2ajUo013000 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H2ain8014484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:45 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4H2aMGe003783 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.202.87]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IGM005ZR4KIQKJ2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:36:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:36:27 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Serial to USB Connector In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <428958AB.3090309@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.773, required 6, AWL 1.77, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bleeber wrote: >Can anyone reccommend a usb to serial port adapter for linux that I >can use to connect to cisco/foundry switches at work? I am asuming I >will use minicom, however if anyone knows an easier approach, I am >open to suggestions. Thanks in advance! > > One thing you can do is to get an adapter that uses the PL2303 chipset. which is one of the natively supported chipsets for usb to serial in linux. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 17 07:19:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4HBJKiw016722 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:19:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4HBJKsX016721 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:19:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4HBJKPL016717 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:19:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4HBJJXs011999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:19:20 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4HBJ4kb014449 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 07:19:04 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so851635rng for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 04:19:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BViA5TTJ3SewFom6E2Tr0xWggXvGNhz+BXvEI2yqHramh72XYaQ4eA4b+5jXJaecUVRsLcPJ7j7uvGUj2e3kl14YzuxrH1/LICvrqIzeedSeda2OJRzA0Ylxr/9UGcjcbcy/sGFMXEzyzhSk5fTgyQJVBS1QIWDucz8gRtwFD6Y= Received: by 10.38.9.22 with SMTP id 22mr841763rni; Tue, 17 May 2005 04:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.149.3 with HTTP; Tue, 17 May 2005 04:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:19:03 +1000 From: Bleeber To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Serial to USB Connector In-Reply-To: <428958AB.3090309@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <428958AB.3090309@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.675, required 6, AWL 1.23, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4HBJKPL016718 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the input. On 5/17/05, Robert Snyder wrote: > Bleeber wrote: > > >Can anyone reccommend a usb to serial port adapter for linux that I > >can use to connect to cisco/foundry switches at work? I am asuming I > >will use minicom, however if anyone knows an easier approach, I am > >open to suggestions. Thanks in advance! > > > > > > One thing you can do is to get an adapter that uses the PL2303 chipset. > which is one of the natively supported chipsets for usb to serial in linux. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- The Bleeber ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 17 20:25:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I0PUiB022115 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:25:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4I0PUti022114 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:25:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I0PU3U022110 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:25:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I0PTNm026795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:25:30 -0400 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I0PF95002247 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:25:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20E2176C2F for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Shell Scripts.. Time to learn From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1116376235.5437.44.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:30:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.309, required 6, AWL 0.59, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Advanced Bash Scripting guide is your friend. Do a google and you'll hit a half dozen. It will give you most of the tricks you might want to get started and then some. Larry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 17 23:28:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I3SYRl023459 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4I3SYru023458 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I3SYqH023454 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I3SXEC006756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:34 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4I3SDMT002914 for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:14 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so17543rng for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UpQrYzNx+7SIQyfVt0d6wvRo1c5wI9Mu5aX2dLVm1tzFz9/XodaOrkyelKNN5FEtlIYK95KvkKYh4+S8LvmXFyIqUz2Zb3FPPqRZ5CAVcqivzy7GXbFf3Y8I5pdvZfOzaWBcIfAszfczj6mO6pVfa6oMOZhQi9lvLjt2bJ0O+5o= Received: by 10.38.149.23 with SMTP id w23mr25364rnd; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.1 with HTTP; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705051720285947590c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 23:28:11 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Shell Scripts.. Time to learn In-Reply-To: <1116376235.5437.44.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1116376235.5437.44.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.672, required 6, AWL 0.23, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4I3SYqH023455 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/17/05, Larry Brown wrote: > Advanced Bash Scripting guide is your friend. Do a google and you'll > hit a half dozen. It will give you most of the tricks you might want to > get started and then some. > Found it, thank you I am reading it now. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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De Lotto Netherlands International www.lotto.nl From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 18 11:11:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4IFBMCc028414 for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:11:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4IFBMqY028413 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:11:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4IFBL16028409 for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:11:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4IFB7Gu018595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:11:21 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4IFAvYJ027496 for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:10:57 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.34] (222-45.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.200.45.222]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE6D1004A1 for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 08:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <428B5B48.9000409@myraandpete.net> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:12:08 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] BlizzPub World of Warcraft on Linux petition Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.131, required 6, AWL -1.14, BAYES_20 -1.43, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net For the gamers out there. http://www.blizzpub.net/petition/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 19 23:12:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K3CtqU010646 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:12:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4K3Ct0d010645 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:12:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K3Ctqp010641 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:12:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K3CsJ0015620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:12:55 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K3Cd9G008075 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:12:39 -0400 Received: from pool-4.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.184] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11d/96) id 1CRJH00 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 23:11:42 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Bash script Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:00:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4K3Ctqp010642 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, What is wrong with this script?? -------------------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh ######################################################################### # A simple script to create smaller  and lower quality images from # one directory to another ######################################################################### # The file format you wish to change FROM=jpg # The end result file format TO=jpg # Options for "convert" CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' # Pull the directory name for the title FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp TO_DIR=/home/bob/Webpages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages ######################################################################### # The actual conversion stuff # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just stick # with the variables above (which should be good for most people ######################################################################### echo Running $0 echo COUNT=0 cd $FROM_DIR for i in *.$FROM; do   echo $1   if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i"  ]       # Process only files not already done        then          echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS           convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO        echo   fi done; exit; ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is what I get: /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 38:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 41:  : command not found bob@EasyStreet:/> Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 20 00:01:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K41MMb011033 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:01:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4K41Mqx011032 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:01:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K41L8a011028 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:01:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K41KgI017294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:01:21 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K40va1031628 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:00:57 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4K40tEh022627 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 23:59:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script In-Reply-To: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: What is wrong with this script?? > -------------------------------------------------- > #!/bin/sh ... > cd $FROM_DIR > for i in *.$FROM; do > >   echo $1 What is $1 (yeah the first argument, but what in this case)? DYM $i? >   if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i"  ]       # Process only files not already done  I would use [[ ... ]] but that may be just me. ... > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is what I get: > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 38:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 41:  : command not found I would bracket the "convert" line with a "set -x"/"set +x" pair to see what's being executed. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 20 00:13:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K4D5iY011101 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:13:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4K4D5nN011100 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:13:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K4D5bq011096 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:13:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K4D1Rm018372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:13:05 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K4Cflt001894 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:12:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B4022E for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <428D63B8.6090403@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:12:40 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.23, required 6, AWL 1.67, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > What is wrong with this script?? Script seems to work for me... You can try adding the following to debug: set -x > -------------------------------------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > ######################################################################### > # A simple script to create smaller and lower quality images from > # one directory to another > ######################################################################### > > # The file format you wish to change > FROM=jpg > > # The end result file format > TO=jpg > > # Options for "convert" > CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' > > # Pull the directory name for the title > FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp > TO_DIR=/home/bob/Webpages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages > > ######################################################################### > # The actual conversion stuff > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just stick > # with the variables above (which should be good for most people > ######################################################################### > > echo Running $0 > echo > > COUNT=0 Unused var? > > cd $FROM_DIR > for i in *.$FROM; do > > echo $1 > if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i" ] # Process only files not already done > then > echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO As a general practice I tend to use ${VARNAME} instead of just $VARNAME. Won't matter here, but can help with debugging. Instead of the above notation, you can also generate the filenames with: BASENAME = `echo ${i} | sed -e 's/.jpg$//'` Then: convert ${CONVERT_OPTIONS} ${FROM_DIR}/${i} ${TO_DIR}/${BASENAME}.${TO} (Above line should not wrap) > echo > fi > > done; > > exit; > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is what I get: > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35: : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36: : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37: : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 38: : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39: : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40: : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 41: : command not found > bob@EasyStreet:/> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 20 03:29:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7TXsX012468 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:29:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4K7TXOE012467 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:29:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7TXRT012463 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:29:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7TXZE027709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:29:33 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7TJVw032240 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:29:19 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so375492rne for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CRBK5dgssAJw1CWyRmY3xRykAzI7wVSd+HvTLNV7C0OGFoWnJp5RaihiEYXKQz6x7ABw3SvmlWuRqYImW5V/2bRvDWNlWbNeedK9zQBDqT0eIY1y48JeOKTEdehpkXl46bYjF7cJiZyBEygRMayJ+/B20LMCXPNpXHFgRvEMBUM= Received: by 10.38.89.40 with SMTP id m40mr1568509rnb; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 03:29:16 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] IRC Shenanigans of #slug.fl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.592, required 6, AWL -2.19, BAYES_44 -0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_22 0.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4K7TXRT012464 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net To make up for not posting a minutes of the meeting for the last Tampa meeting (I didnt' feel like it!), I'll paste some random things seen in #slug.fl over the last week or so. I'd like to poke Kevin Counts, Russell Hires, William Overstreet, Wee Robbie Snyder, LBase, and Bill Preece, and tell 'em to come back to the channel. ;) Lately it's been just Chad Perrin, Spoonyspork, myself, and Chris Hotchkiss, and we're lonely. ;) However, chat has been active lately. Here are the spotlights. They're not in any particular order. .. 00:59 wanna see my boxers? 00:59 they can stand by themselves 22:28 Well in Sarasota were we know how to have meetings 22:28 we have meetings here. 22:28 Nothing much 22:28 yes but they are boring 22:30 I lock the doors at the coffee house 22:31 and then have a little romp with the coffee chick 20:27 dylan: We were discussing how sorry you are. 03:37 dylan: I figure I should inform you of what's going on here. 03:37 We're mangling song lyrics you've never heard because you live under a rock. 19:49 a new soul to play with? 19:50 Lbase: Pay no heed to YeTr2. We only let him out of his box on rare occasions. 19:51 what huh /me said dully 19:51 yeah a noob to this channel ... 19:51 ? 19:52 YeTr2: get back in your box! 19:52 * YeTr2 hisses 19:52 no,no he's OK; let him wander around # another day. 19:20 dylan: I will not go back into the box ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 20 03:38:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7cLdD012521 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:38:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4K7cLnL012520 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:38:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7cKMN012516 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:38:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7cKR5028113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:38:20 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4K7c1lB010005 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 03:38:01 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so376707rne for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R6B+QbvDV8BL6k6ncRUlAbSAcp9AYqUFKxxfANpMBx7Z0lpPBcM4DsT2XkIBkk5OmCXUTVOzLgcODVvTprwOS8pB3tGnb7ybkZRJSXgZms7PlgsCI7BahwtfaCFKMgWOrcQ6bfh3rwO3+EU8Ym89lzC5fSdCVxf2luNlEJsaKIk= Received: by 10.38.104.8 with SMTP id b8mr1572742rnc; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Fri, 20 May 2005 00:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 03:38:00 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Re: IRC Shenanigans of #slug.fl In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.358, required 6, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4K7cLMN012517 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Forgot one, oops: 01:03 My laptop's average temperature is 80C lately 01:03 Is that bad? 01:03 I dunno 01:04 80C? dude, I hope you are leaving that thing on your lap 01:05 need to help reduce the world population alittle bit 01:05 heh [removed] 01:11 If you want to reduce the world's population, you need to put that laptop in the lap of someone likely to breed. 01:11 hey, I am likely to breed 01:12 . . . ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 20 10:27:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4KERxH9015450 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:27:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4KERxDj015449 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:27:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4KERxgn015445 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:27:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4KERw5t014613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:27:59 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4KERWrp005887 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 10:27:33 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so979176nzf for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FS5Pum98Sm/wdgtQDkwkkd3ARVY3JLHaXh4s3EQw4MYMtZwMgRO1yQ4fuPB3Tsqk32GgLRJVGDnFX4hRlkF//k4BumATwip84buX5ep1186hINJ+PbVMQA8K/vVPYi8rIzOCpRIiVhO9Zsw4Zq3S6tyB2MOvQzi1bbMI0DNiiQs= Received: by 10.36.24.6 with SMTP id 6mr841888nzx; Fri, 20 May 2005 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.17.9 with HTTP; Fri, 20 May 2005 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298605052007271826e515@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 10:27:32 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC Shenanigans of #slug.fl In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6331_25904153.1116599252283" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.371, required 6, AWL -1.07, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, J_CHICKENPOX_22 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_6331_25904153.1116599252283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/20/05, Dylan Hardison wrote:=20 >=20 > To make up for not posting a minutes of the meeting for the last Tampa > meeting (I didnt' feel like it!), I'll paste some random things seen > in #slug.fl over the last week or so. >=20 > I'd like to poke Kevin Counts, Russell Hires, William Overstreet, Wee > Robbie Snyder, LBase, and Bill Preece, and tell 'em to come back to > the channel. ;) > Lately it's been just Chad Perrin, Spoonyspork, myself, and Chris > Hotchkiss, and we're lonely. ;) >=20 > However, chat has been active lately. Here are the spotlights. > They're not in any particular order. .. >=20 > 00:59 wanna see my boxers? > 00:59 they can stand by themselves >=20 > 22:28 Well in Sarasota were we know how to have meetings > 22:28 we have meetings here. > 22:28 Nothing much > 22:28 yes but they are boring >=20 > 22:30 I lock the doors at the coffee house > 22:31 and then have a little romp with the coffee chick >=20 > 20:27 dylan: We were discussing how sorry you are. >=20 > 03:37 dylan: I figure I should inform you of what's going on=20 > here. > 03:37 We're mangling song lyrics you've never heard because > you live under a rock. >=20 > 19:49 a new soul to play with? > 19:50 Lbase: Pay no heed to YeTr2. We only let him out of his > box on rare occasions. > 19:51 what huh /me said dully > 19:51 yeah a noob to this channel ... > 19:51 ? > 19:52 YeTr2: get back in your box! > 19:52 * YeTr2 hisses > 19:52 no,no he's OK; let him wander around >=20 > # another day. > 19:20 dylan: I will not go back into the box I would like to point out that "Wee" Robbie Snyder is not responable for= =20 anything he may or may not have said while under an alternative state of=20 mind brought on by Alcoholic beverages. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 5/20/05, = Dylan Hardison <dylanwh@gmail.c= om> wrote:
To make up for not posting a min= utes of the meeting for the last Tampa
meeting (I didnt' feel like it!),= I'll paste some random things seen
in #slug.fl over the last week or so.

I'd like to poke Kevin Cou= nts, Russell Hires, William Overstreet, Wee
Robbie Snyder, LBase, and Bi= ll Preece, and tell 'em to come back to
the channel. ;)
Lately it's b= een just Chad Perrin, Spoonyspork, myself, and Chris
Hotchkiss, and we're lonely. ;)

However, chat has been active la= tely. Here are the spotlights.
They're not in any particular order. ..
00:59 <YeTr2> wanna see my boxers?
00:59 <YeTr2> they = can stand by themselves

22:28 <WeeOS> Well in Sarasota were we know how to have meeti= ngs
           &n= bsp;            = ;         22:28 <dylan> we ha= ve meetings here.
22:28 <WeeOS> Nothing much
22:28 <WeeOS>= ; yes but they are boring

22:30 <WeeOS> I lock the doors at the coffee house
22:31 &= lt;WeeOS> and then have a little romp with the coffee chick

20:27= <chaper> dylan: We were discussing how sorry you are.

03:37 &= lt;chaper> dylan: I figure I should inform you of what's going on here.
03:37 <chaper> We're mangling song lyrics you've never heard beca= use
you live under a rock.

19:49 <YeTr2> a new soul to play= with?
19:50 <dylan> Lbase: Pay no heed to YeTr2. We only let him = out of his
box on rare occasions.
19:51 <Lbase> what huh /me said dully19:51 <Lbase> yeah a noob to this channel ...
19:51 <YeTr2>= ; ?
19:52 <dylan> YeTr2: get back in your box!
19:52  = ;* YeTr2 hisses
19:52 <Lbase> no,no he's OK; let him wander around

# anoth= er day.
19:20 <YeTrS> dylan: I will not go back into the box
 
 
 
I would like to point out that "Wee" Robbie Snyder is not re= sponable for anything he may or may not have said while under an alternativ= e state of mind brought on by Alcoholic beverages.
 
 
 
 
 

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MIRJAM VAN BUREN DIRECTOR OF PROMOTIONAL PROGRAM From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 22 02:40:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4M6e7qX031952 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 02:40:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4M6e7rd031951 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 May 2005 02:40:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4M6e7Oh031947 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 02:40:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4M6e7ZO016759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 02:40:07 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4M6dkct015162 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 02:39:46 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so663788rne for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:39:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i823rIR2zPgpeAV0OdjrOFqBdjLJUm5SwpwC90KQviE2qS+50Zey8H1XuOe3HnUayl/AHjLz1QILKHzZxr9DbeEreojTd4f0KsCLa5Abyc5f+Z31zp2AefI8w2dTEtj71xntLPuWF8NCHa2hkAqJTy/D+V5miG7qsD9cof4yttU= Received: by 10.38.96.6 with SMTP id t6mr2555855rnb; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.89.38 with HTTP; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 02:39:44 -0400 From: Knowles Burrell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] BlizzPub World of Warcraft on Linux petition In-Reply-To: <428B5B48.9000409@myraandpete.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <428B5B48.9000409@myraandpete.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4M6e7Oh031948 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/18/05, Pete S. wrote: > For the gamers out there. > http://www.blizzpub.net/petition/ Signing these do no good, Blizzard has stated they have no intrest in making a linux client for any of their games. 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TAMPA **************************************************** 7 June 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 21 June 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 07:13:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NBDm8b011256 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 07:13:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NBDmaG011255 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 07:13:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NBDm9o011251 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 07:13:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NBDlvJ027471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 07:13:47 -0400 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4NBDQEs001332 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 07:13:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 95033 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 11:13:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Stan) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 23 May 2005 11:13:25 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.227.40.26 Message-ID: <000501c55f88$708f07e0$6701a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <20050523031047.D0D8D12535C@hobbes.mars.lan> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:13:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Are you sure about the St Pete meeting? We can be there, but it is Memorial Day weekend... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:10 PM Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings > ************************************* > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > * Meeting Schedule * > ************************************* > > DUNEDIN ************************************************** > > 28 May 10:00-12:00 Dunedin > (usually fourth Saturday of each month) > > Dunedin Public Library > Community Room A or B (see notice on site) > Dunedin, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. > > ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** > > 30 May 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg > (usually last Monday of each month) > > Panera Bread > 1908 4th St North > St Petersburg, FL 33704 > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. > > BRANDON ************************************************** > > 2 June 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center > Brandon, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. > > NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** > > 4 June 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey > (first Saturday of each month) > > New Port Richey Public Library > (second level meeting rooms) > 5939 Main St. > New Port Richey, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > 7 June 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second TUESDAY of each month) > > Hillsborough Community College > Dale Mabry Campus > Technology Bldg, Rm 426 > 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd > Tampa, FL > > See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > 21 June 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Tuesday of each month) > > Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. > 1419 5th St (5th and Central) > Sarasota, FL 34236 > > See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. > > *********************************************************** > > ACTIVITIES: > > Meetings include: > > 1) Presentation: As indicated. > > 2) Question & Answer Session. > > 3) Raffle and free stuff! > > Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! > (And don't forget to start your installs early!) > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 09:46:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NDk8Wq012273 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:46:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NDk8ih012272 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:46:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NDk8US012268 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:46:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NDk7jX031156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:46:08 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NDjgZ4012532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:45:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 28139 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 13:45:42 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 23 May 2005 13:45:42 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7CCF512535B; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:44 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-ID: <20050523134444.GB30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20050523031047.D0D8D12535C@hobbes.mars.lan> <000501c55f88$708f07e0$6701a8c0@Stan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000501c55f88$708f07e0$6701a8c0@Stan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.675, required 6, AWL 1.23, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 07:13:25AM -0400, James Miller wrote: > Are you sure about the St Pete meeting? We can be there, but it is > Memorial Day weekend... > So is the Dunedin meeting. But I haven't heard of a cancellation from Aaron. If I do, I'll pass it on. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 11:06:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NF6pFY012759 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:06:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NF6pj9012758 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:06:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NF6piY012754 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:06:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NF6oGU032638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:06:51 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f42.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NF6b5a023544 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:06:38 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 May 2005 08:06:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:06:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:06:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2005 15:06:37.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[042FA430:01C55FA9] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.13, required 6, AWL -0.66, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My home linux box is hooked up to a Linksys BEFSR41 which is behind a Linksys RT31P2. I noticed that Firestarter detected and blocked an inbound connection attempt on port 40379. It appears as though this attempt got past the hardware firewall on the RT31P2. I have a few ports being forwarded on the hw firewall but 40379 is not one of them. Am I missing something? Disclaimer: Network newbie here. Please be gentle with me :) -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 11:13:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFDcx1012802 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:13:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NFDcoC012801 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:13:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFDcnd012797 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:13:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFDbk4032753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:13:38 -0400 Received: from smtpout03-03.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout03-03.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.73]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4NFDQcS030094 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:13:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 22654 invoked from network); 23 May 2005 15:13:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO webmail11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.48) by smtpout03-03.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 23 May 2005 15:13:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 4876 invoked by uid 99); 23 May 2005 15:13:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20050523151326.4875.qmail@webmail11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 08:13:26 -0700 From: "David R. Meyer" Subject: [SLUG] Network Traffic Capture / replay To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.837, required 6, AWL 2.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello, I have a question about capturing / replaying network traffic. Is there an Open Source utility that will allow you to capture network traffic (complete with source and destination IP as well as type of traffic and port) and then play it back (not just log it) later for review? Is this something Snort or Ethereal will allow you to do? Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 11:25:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFPsDF012956 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:25:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NFPstY012955 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:25:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFPrjr012951 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:25:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFPrII000548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:25:53 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFPjJq003852 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:25:45 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4NFPhb7000495 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: My home linux box is hooked up to a Linksys BEFSR41 which is behind a > Linksys RT31P2. I noticed that Firestarter detected and blocked an inbound > connection attempt on port 40379. It appears as though this attempt got > past the hardware firewall on the RT31P2. I have a few ports being > forwarded on the hw firewall but 40379 is not one of them. Am I missing > something? The caller is ON YOUR LAN! GET OUT! -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 11:43:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFh8GZ013061 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:43:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NFh8gw013060 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:43:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFh86q013056 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:43:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFh8F9000874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:43:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFgnvX004244 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:42:49 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4NFglGL021168 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:41:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Traffic Capture / replay In-Reply-To: <20050523151326.4875.qmail@webmail11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Is there an Open Source utility that will allow you to capture network > traffic (complete with source and destination IP as well as type of > traffic and port) and then play it back (not just log it) later for > review? > > Is this something Snort or Ethereal will allow you to do? With Ethereal, I would capture on the machine with the NIC (a 486, and it handled the load easily), and (separately) display and filter elsewhere. I was never very good at Ethereal so I captured everything and then filtered with grep and friends. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Are you confident that you appear to be professional in your electronic communication? Consider this: A: No Q: Can I top post? from nick@xx.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 11:54:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFsIZ8013122 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NFsIka013121 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFsHhX013117 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFsHs1001022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:17 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f25.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.35]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NFs5Xc004029 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:05 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 May 2005 08:54:04 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:54:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.51.220] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:54:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2005 15:54:04.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[A521D2E0:01C55FAF] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.704, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET 4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:24:39 -0400 (EDT) > >On Mon, 23 May 2005, Sick Twist wrote: > > > My home linux box is hooked up to a Linksys BEFSR41 which is behind a > > Linksys RT31P2. I noticed that Firestarter detected and blocked an >inbound > > connection attempt on port 40379. It appears as though this attempt got > > past the hardware firewall on the RT31P2. I have a few ports being > > forwarded on the hw firewall but 40379 is not one of them. Am I missing > > something? > >The caller is ON YOUR LAN! GET OUT! > >-- >-eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar I don't understand. Do you mean the intruder is on a local PC? It's just a small home network in my apartment. Only two computers are running at the moment (my linux box and a windows 2000 box). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 12:40:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGethk013447 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NGetxp013446 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGetdF013442 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGesW2001929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:55 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGebei013419 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:37 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2232115wri for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:40:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hRAmOpr0hDyDmtqNnU725riqoT7o6QsZCR+iht3q0EKsLHfmwbgNv/NwezYgKxQqg8T7ybvvXByUTzKbzOJoIHQoyVX2h2d5yiG+pgX1ZNMAuP7zluBuPoB7FvaVtAIPEKsgr0mgTQyQH8FCh38lN+/2jtg2Ne4JtS5ZpT2Km/8= Received: by 10.54.23.26 with SMTP id 26mr3584505wrw; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.35 with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:36 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.5, required 6, AWL 0.40, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4NGetdF013443 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net its an old story. somebody calling a woman home alone and just heavy breathing, she calls the phone company and they tell her the call came from the upstairs phone and to get out of the house. she gets out and the cops find a madman upstairs with a knife. On 5/23/05, Sick Twist wrote: > > > >From: Eben King > >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall > >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:24:39 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Mon, 23 May 2005, Sick Twist wrote: > > > > > My home linux box is hooked up to a Linksys BEFSR41 which is behind a > > > Linksys RT31P2. I noticed that Firestarter detected and blocked an > >inbound > > > connection attempt on port 40379. It appears as though this attempt got > > > past the hardware firewall on the RT31P2. I have a few ports being > > > forwarded on the hw firewall but 40379 is not one of them. Am I missing > > > something? > > > >The caller is ON YOUR LAN! GET OUT! > > > >-- > >-eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > > I don't understand. Do you mean the intruder is on a local PC? It's just a > small home network in my apartment. Only two computers are running at the > moment (my linux box and a windows 2000 box). > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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Yours truly Nnekwu Ojoh. --3a86ce84-23a0-456d-8ba7-c57b5e414b01-- From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 12:46:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGkfrd013493 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:46:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NGkfWd013492 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:46:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGkfMb013488 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:46:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGkfIP002011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:46:41 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGkKjI009571 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:46:20 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4NGkIEh013675 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: >From: Eben King > >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall > >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:24:39 -0400 (EDT) > > > >On Mon, 23 May 2005, Sick Twist wrote: > > > > > My home linux box is hooked up to a Linksys BEFSR41 which is behind a > > > Linksys RT31P2. I noticed that Firestarter detected and blocked an > > > inbound connection attempt on port 40379. It appears as though this > > > attempt got past the hardware firewall on the RT31P2. I have a few > > > ports being forwarded on the hw firewall but 40379 is not one of them. > > > Am I missing something? > > > >The caller is ON YOUR LAN! GET OUT! > > I don't understand. Do you mean the intruder is on a local PC? It's just a > small home network in my apartment. Only two computers are running at the > moment (my linux box and a windows 2000 box). It's a parody of a line from a recent horror movie. Victim receives threatening call, calls operator, and is informed that the call's coming from within the house and that she should leave. Likewise, a possible explanation for the offending packet is that it originated on your LAN (or even from your machine). Maybe some spyware or a worm? I wouldn't worry about it too much unless it recurs. What was its source address? Here's some information: http://www.securityreference.com/computers/ports/40000/40379.html -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. -Sir William Drummond ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 12:47:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGl3hR013504 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:47:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NGl2UI013503 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:47:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGl2WL013499 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:47:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NGl2SJ002020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:47:02 -0400 Received: from web50604.mail.yahoo.com (web50604.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.91]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4NGiJuV016494 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:44:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 2503 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2005 16:44:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Vb5ABH80Au34gVjrTPIzVRtBNSjSsQlpXsPVv3vHWs1DGB2mHqbahwfuV24tv8T+cOUZJmsvXkH+yEfJpI+B3mJF+UJjgRzjJ8w9bZDK8HuLPIszFOtYMi6dZWJvcdwzA1ZA5PlDV46kB+aGlssdG6qCbu3mgFsmq6dpNqwlLXQ= ; Message-ID: <20050523164416.2499.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.73.65.14] by web50604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:16 PDT Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.063, required 6, AWL 1.84, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- Sick Twist wrote: > My home linux box is hooked up to a Linksys BEFSR41 which is behind a > > Linksys RT31P2. I noticed that Firestarter detected and blocked an > inbound > connection attempt on port 40379. It appears as though this attempt > got > past the hardware firewall on the RT31P2. I have a few ports being > forwarded on the hw firewall but 40379 is not one of them. Am I > missing > something? > > Disclaimer: Network newbie here. Please be gentle with me :) > > -Jonathon > is the linksys still running the default configuration (you definately dont want to run it that way, as linksys by default is wide open)? do you have something running on port 40379? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 15:04:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJ4Wso014371 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:04:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NJ4WhO014370 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:04:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJ4VKj014366 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:04:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJ4VOt010648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:04:31 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f39.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.128]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJ4HOt007251 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:04:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:04:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 19:04:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:04:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2005 19:04:16.0545 (UTC) FILETIME=[37486110:01C55FCA] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.679, required 6, AWL -1.02, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: chris lee >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:40:36 -0400 > >its an old story. > >somebody calling a woman home alone and just heavy breathing, she >calls the phone company and they tell her the call came from the >upstairs phone and to get out of the house. she gets out and the cops >find a madman upstairs with a knife. > Ah, thanks :) I've heard that story before but didn't make the connection. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 15:20:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJKC75014518 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:20:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NJKCfw014517 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:20:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJKCui014513 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:20:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJKBOo011602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:20:12 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f40.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.129]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJJqnZ010554 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:19:52 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:19:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 19:19:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050523164416.2499.qmail@web50604.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:19:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2005 19:19:51.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[64AA0BC0:01C55FCC] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.082, required 6, AWL -0.17, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, TW_GT 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: perthie >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) > >is the linksys still running the default configuration (you definately >dont want to run it that way, as linksys by default is wide open)? do >you have something running on port 40379? > I have set up static IP addresses for all the computers on the network. I turned DHCP off on both routers and have changed the default IP address on the BEFSR41 to 192.168.1.2 (it basically functions as a switch behind the RT31P2). On the RT31P2 I have one port being forwarded to my linux box for gtk-gnutella and a small range of ports being forwarded for bit torrent. 40379 is not included for either of those. Since this morning Firestarter has also detected instrusion attempts from different IP addresses on these ports as well: 41244 41465 41461 40745 41530 Could these other attempted connections be generated from GTK-gnutella somehow? As far as I know it should be using one port. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 15:51:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJpSln014713 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:51:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NJpSTD014712 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:51:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJpSsl014708 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:51:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NJpRam013407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:51:28 -0400 Received: from web50603.mail.yahoo.com (web50603.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.90]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4NJpBhI009608 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:51:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 79285 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2005 19:51:11 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=0Bq7NI087ENL90Dhi6peHxb+zjr8Bo4f+KtZ/L6cZ7Vl4gnrWuphGYLQKIJjvYz1+3aUwxFLEu67F8Ywzq2b7B5Ajigjr4Rq/F3vemSqBpMef19QKs1mIGgR5VwWREavMaj7cV+wcVXqSOpzGD/ueBv8ba3xX7z4lWvH9jmjnRM= ; Message-ID: <20050523195111.79283.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.73.65.14] by web50603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:51:10 PDT Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: perthie Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.237, required 6, AWL -0.89, BAYES_20 -1.43, TW_GT 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- Sick Twist wrote: > >From: perthie > >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall > >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 09:44:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > >is the linksys still running the default configuration (you > definately > >dont want to run it that way, as linksys by default is wide open)? > do > >you have something running on port 40379? > > > > I have set up static IP addresses for all the computers on the > network. I > turned DHCP off on both routers and have changed the default IP > address on > the BEFSR41 to 192.168.1.2 (it basically functions as a switch behind > the > RT31P2). On the RT31P2 I have one port being forwarded to my linux > box for > gtk-gnutella and a small range of ports being forwarded for bit > torrent. > 40379 is not included for either of those. Since this morning > Firestarter > has also detected instrusion attempts from different IP addresses on > these > ports as well: > > 41244 > 41465 > 41461 > 40745 > 41530 > > Could these other attempted connections be generated from > GTK-gnutella > somehow? As far as I know it should be using one port. > > -Jonathon > > you should enable some kind of restriction on who can connect wirelessly to the router. here, we prefer to use mac filtering over ssid's for performance reasons, but mac filtering tends to be more difficult to configure unless youre used to centralized management. as it stands, from what you've told us, it sounds like anyone can park their car outside your driveway, connect to your router, and therefore every system on your lan. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 16:50:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NKogoS015136 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:50:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4NKoghj015135 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:50:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NKogJJ015131 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:50:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NKog2K016602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:50:42 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4NKoZOj002359 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:50:36 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4NKoXb7002405 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:49:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall In-Reply-To: <20050523195111.79283.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: you should enable some kind of restriction on who can connect > wirelessly to the router. here, we prefer to use mac filtering over > ssid's for performance reasons, but mac filtering tends to be more > difficult to configure unless youre used to centralized management. And guests (wanted or unwanted) can't connect, and MACs can be spoofed. If that's not an issue for you, or one you're prepared to tackle every time you have a new device, go for it. But don't rely on it alone. I'd say, big encryption keys and authentication. > as it stands, from what you've told us, it sounds like anyone can park > their car outside your driveway, Or on the next street over with a directional antenna > connect to your router, and therefore every system on your lan. Goodbye TOS, hello judge. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 23 21:31:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O1VIXP017144 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 21:31:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4O1VHaF017143 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 May 2005 21:31:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O1VHYp017139 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 21:31:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O1VHgP026729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 21:31:17 -0400 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O1V6kA016819 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 21:31:06 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-243-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.243.70]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4557212DA15 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 18:31:05 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Traffic Capture / replay Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 21:31:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20050523151326.4875.qmail@webmail11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> In-Reply-To: <20050523151326.4875.qmail@webmail11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505232131.03077.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.828, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 23 May 2005 11:13, David R. Meyer wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question about capturing / replaying network traffic. > > Is there an Open Source utility that will allow you to capture network > traffic (complete with source and destination IP as well as type of > traffic and port) and then play it back (not just log it) later for > review? > > Is this something Snort or Ethereal will allow you to do? What's more is that you can capture a tcpdump ( -w filename) on any unix platform and then play it back using ethereal on your local machine. It can even graph it live. With filters so you can breakout f.ex. smtp. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 00:08:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O48C8X018213 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:08:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4O48CSA018212 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:08:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O48C4o018208 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:08:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O488gX032241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:08:12 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O47beM008081 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:07:38 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4O47Yd7014410; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <09b101c56016$1d266650$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: Cc: "bob foxworth" References: <20050523151326.4875.qmail@webmail11.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Network Traffic Capture / replay Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:07:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Hello, > > I have a question about capturing / replaying network traffic. > > Is there an Open Source utility that will allow you to capture network > traffic (complete with source and destination IP as well as type of > traffic and port) and then play it back (not just log it) later for > review? > > Is this something Snort or Ethereal will allow you to do? > > Dave Hi Dave, It's not completely clear if by "play it back" you are referring to the ability to decode the captured file to allow later analysis of the contents, or if you mean to actually re-create the traffic stream and reinject it back onto the network. To add to what Steve wrote, you can use tcpdump with the -w option to write the capture to a binary file (instead of reading to stdout) and then later, use tcpdump with the -r [read] option to read from the file and then show the data on stdout i.e. the screen. Or use ethereal to read the file, for a more user-friendly decode. Be sure to use a valid -s (snaplen) of 1518 and not the default. If you actually want to send traffic back onto the network, look at tcpreplay. While some of the commercially available capture programs allow transmitting an arbitrary frame (and the better ones allow specifying an arbitrary ethertype, instead of being fixed at 0x0800 which is the ethertype for the IP protocol) only a few let you actually re-send a captured file. One of these is, surprisingly, an old, inexpensive DOS-based program called PacketView which worked with 16-bit ISA NICs and with packet drivers. I am able to re-play capture files I created in 1994-95, full of DecNET, Apollo Domain, LanTastic, old Novell, stuff that has disappeared from modern networks, and decode them with the contemporary dissectors in Ethereal (the old DOS programs would read back the hex but not interpret it). I could select a single frame or range of frames and re- transmit it, n times, at n speed. (10 MB only). It's sort of spooky to see all the telnet then floating around, and the near-absence of http traffic on these old captures. Fortunately I saved quite a few floppies of this stuff, and a working instance of the software/8416 SMC nic. Ethereal won't read the files off of disc but I can retransmit them into a running capture with full source MAC replacement (this is important). Hypothetically speaking, you can seriously confuse things on the net that surreptitiously collect information about your system, once you capture an instance of it. For example, a very well-known laptop manufacturer doing usage stats (? maybe) via UDP on ports 370 and 371 every three hours, when polled, and appears to be OS-independent (factory install retaining the "hidden" partition). You can also confuse things like bridges using spanning-tree if you re-transmit an old topology change frame that is no longer relevant. Sort of like a slow-speed-DoS. This is probably why these programs don't often provide this ability, as a defence against nitwits who would arbitrarily feed stuff back onto the net over and over without knowing the consequences. It is often useful to not lose your backward compatability. Never know when it can prove useful. IOW, DOS Lives! Enough rambling it is getting late. Hope this is helpful. - Bob Foxworth send at 2005-05-24 0007 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 00:09:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O49jVn018233 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:09:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4O49jWD018232 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:09:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O49i7H018228 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:09:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O49i0v032367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:09:44 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f11.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.100]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O49UK8015698 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:09:30 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 May 2005 21:09:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:09:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050523195111.79283.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:09:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2005 04:09:29.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[61B66EA0:01C56016] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.824, required 6, AWL -0.87, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: perthie >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] inbound connection attempt gets past hw firewall >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:51:10 -0700 (PDT) >you should enable some kind of restriction on who can connect >wirelessly to the router. here, we prefer to use mac filtering over >ssid's for performance reasons, but mac filtering tends to be more >difficult to configure unless youre used to centralized management. > >as it stands, from what you've told us, it sounds like anyone can park >their car outside your driveway, connect to your router, and therefore >every system on your lan. > I do not have any wireless routers. I have one router with 4-port switch (BEFSR41) and another router with 3-port switch and 2 phone lines (RT31P2). -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 00:17:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O4H9CS018339 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:17:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4O4H9tm018338 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:17:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O4H8BW018334 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:17:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O4H8U0000474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:17:08 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O4Gbop022551 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:16:37 -0400 Received: from pool-1.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.181] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11d7/96) id 05BKR00 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:15:55 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:17:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> <428D63B8.6090403@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <428D63B8.6090403@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505240017.20916.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.286, required 6, AWL -1.38, BAYES_10 -0.91) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4O4H8BW018335 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 20 May 2005 00:12, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > What is wrong with this script?? > > Script seems to work for me... You can try adding the following to > debug: > > set -x > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > #!/bin/sh > > > > ################################################################### > >###### # A simple script to create smaller and lower quality images > > from # one directory to another > > ################################################################### > >###### > > > > # The file format you wish to change > > FROM=jpg > > > > # The end result file format > > TO=jpg > > > > # Options for "convert" > > CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' > > > > # Pull the directory name for the title > > FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp > > TO_DIR=/home/bob/Webpages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages > > > > > > > > ################################################################### > >###### # The actual conversion stuff > > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just > > stick # with the variables above (which should be good for most > > people > > ################################################################### > >###### > > > > echo Running $0 > > echo > > > > COUNT=0 > > Unused var? > > > cd $FROM_DIR > > for i in *.$FROM; do > > > > echo $1 > > if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i" ] # Process only files not already > > done then > > echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > > convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i > > $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO > > As a general practice I tend to use ${VARNAME} instead of just > $VARNAME. Won't matter here, but can help with debugging. Instead of > the above notation, you can also generate the filenames with: > > BASENAME = `echo ${i} | sed -e 's/.jpg$//'` > > Then: > > convert ${CONVERT_OPTIONS} ${FROM_DIR}/${i} > ${TO_DIR}/${BASENAME}.${TO} > > (Above line should not wrap) > > > echo > > fi > > > > done; > > > > exit; > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >--- This is what I get: > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35: : command not > > found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36: : command > > not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37: : > > command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 38: > > : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39: > > : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line > > 40: : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: > > line 41: : command not found bob@EasyStreet:/> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kwan & Eben, Been busy with other things for the last few days but now I need to get back to this. I have a gazillion jpg's to convert of all differeent sizes. You guys are assuming too much of me. Am an ultra-newbie at writing scripts. Could you be slightly more specific? Eben, You asked me about the first argument. Don't know what you mean when you say, :>   echo $1 >What is $1 (yeah the first argument, but what in this case)?  DYM $i?" and where would I put this, >I would bracket the "convert" line with a "set -x"/"set +x" pair to see >what's being executed. Kwan, You state it runs OK. Doesn't for me. I get thos line 35 thru line 41 "command not found" messages. Then you suggest, as per the following: ######################################################################### >>echo Running $0 >> echo >> >> COUNT=0 >   Unused var? Don't know what you mean by that. >> >> cd $FROM_DIR >> for i in *.$FROM; do >> >>   echo $1 >>   if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i"  ]       # Process only files not already >>done >>       then >>          echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS >>           convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO >   As a general practice I tend to use ${VARNAME} instead of just >$VARNAME. Won't matter here, but can help with debugging.  Instead of >the above notation, you can also generate the filenames with: Don't know what you mean by that neither. I don't see anything in the script with $VARNAME >    BASENAME = `echo ${i} | sed -e 's/.jpg$//'` Is this a replacement line for what is there? or is it added in the script? >Then: >    convert ${CONVERT_OPTIONS} ${FROM_DIR}/${i} ${TO_DIR}/${BASENAME}.>${TO} >(Above line should not wrap) >>        echo >>   fi >> >> done; >> >> exit; >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks guys -Remember -newbie script writer Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 01:30:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5UwEq018835 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:30:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4O5UwgP018834 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:30:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5UvPm018830 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:30:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5UvKa003939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:30:58 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5UePE021422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:30:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 24080 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 05:30:39 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 24 May 2005 05:30:39 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1FF612535B; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:19:25 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script Message-ID: <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.908, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:00:02PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > What is wrong with this script?? Bob, by putting out a script like this without any explanation, we assumed you wrote it, or knew how it worked. It looks, instead, like you copied it from somewhere else. Right? I'll go over it, and try to explain the prior comments. > -------------------------------------------------- > #!/bin/sh > > ######################################################################### > # A simple script to create smaller  and lower quality images from > # one directory to another > ######################################################################### > > # The file format you wish to change > FROM=jpg > > # The end result file format > TO=jpg > > # Options for "convert" > CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' > > # Pull the directory name for the title > FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp > TO_DIR=/home/bob/Webpages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages > > ######################################################################### > # The actual conversion stuff > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just stick > # with the variables above (which should be good for most people > ######################################################################### > > echo Running $0 > echo > > COUNT=0 Someone asked if this is an unused variable. You've said here you want to create a variable called COUNT, and you want to assign it a 0 value. That's fine except that it's not referenced anywhere else in the script. So it appears you're just assigning a variable a number for no reason, thus an "unused variable". You can eliminate this line if you like. > > cd $FROM_DIR Someone else mentioned $VARNAME versus ${VARNAME}. No, you won't find this exact thing in your script, but the above is an example of what the poster meant. When he said "VARNAME", he meant "variable name". Anything preceded by a $ in a bash script is a variable. In this case, the variable name is $FROM_DIR. In bash, you can also say ${FROM_DIR}, and it means mostly the same thing. In most cases, it's a matter of preference which form you use. In some cases you need to use ${FROM_DIR} instead. But I don't think you have any of that kind of thing in your script. You'll note that earlier, you created the COUNT variable and assigned it a 0 value. Notice you didn't have a $ in front of it. When you first create a variable and assign a value to it, you don't put the $ there. But later if you wanted to _use_ the COUNT variable, like: echo $COUNT you'd have to put the $ in front of it, or bash would choke. Um, I should also say that "echo" tells bash to print out everything else that's on that line. So the line above would tell bash to print out the value of the COUNT variable. > for i in *.$FROM; do > >   echo $1 The above appears to by line 35 by my count. Terms like $0, $1, $2 indicate the parameters with which you call the program. $0 is always the name of the script. So for example, if you said: bobs_script joe sam then those variables would be as follows: $0 = bobs_script $1 = joe $2 = sam You can see from this how it would progress; the next thing on the command line corresponds to the next number. In this case, I don't think you're actually passing the script any parameters, so the $1 is meaningless. I suspect this should be echo $i instead of echo $1. That way the script would tell you what file it was processing for each loop. If my count is right, I don't know why your script is telling you this line is an unknown command. I suspect there is some alteration between the running script and what you posted. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense. >   if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i"  ]       # Process only files not already done  >       then >          echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS >           convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO >        echo >   fi > > done; > > exit; > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This is what I get: > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 38:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40:  : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 41:  : command not found > bob@EasyStreet:/> Make the modification(s) I suggested above, and try the script again. If still no joy and the error is the same, try to cut and paste the script into an email back to the list (so there are no alterations). We can look at it again. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 01:41:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5fRN9018915 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:41:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4O5fRNK018914 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:41:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5fRJD018910 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:41:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5fQqo004228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:41:27 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4O5efKp002247 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:40:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2814F22E for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 01:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4292BDDF.8050309@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:38:39 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> <428D63B8.6090403@digitalhermit.com> <200505240017.20916.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200505240017.20916.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.715, required 6, AWL 1.19, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Kwan, > You state it runs OK. Doesn't for me. I get thos line 35 thru line 41 > "command not found" messages. Then you suggest, as per the following: > ######################################################################### > >>>echo Running $0 >>>echo >>> >>>COUNT=0 >> >> Unused var? > > Don't know what you mean by that. I didn't recall seeing COUNT referenced anywhere else in the script. Since it's set, but not used it's an unused VAR. > > >>>cd $FROM_DIR >>>for i in *.$FROM; do >>> >>> echo $1 >>> if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i" ] # Process only files not already >>>done >>> then >>> echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS >>> convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i > > $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO > > >> As a general practice I tend to use ${VARNAME} instead of just >>$VARNAME. Won't matter here, but can help with debugging. Instead of >>the above notation, you can also generate the filenames with: > > Don't know what you mean by that neither. I don't see anything in the > script with $VARNAME I used VARNAME as just an example. You can specify a variable as either $VARNAME or ${VARNAME}. The latter syntax is very useful for isolating the variable itself. You can do something like 'echo ${VARNAME}1' and it will print ${VARNAME} followed by 1. E.g., if VARNAME = Magoo, then 'echo ${VARNAME}1' will print: Magoo1 If you use the other syntax, 'echo $VARNAME1', then the script will assume that the variable is called VARNAME1 and print nothing, since VARNAME1 doesn't exist. >> BASENAME = `echo ${i} | sed -e 's/.jpg$//'` > > Is this a replacement line for what is there? or is it added in the > script? Yes, this is a replacement. This will use the "sed" utility to strip off the .jpg suffix. It's not necessarily better than your version, but a little more portable. > > >>Then: > > >> convert ${CONVERT_OPTIONS} ${FROM_DIR}/${i} > > ${TO_DIR}/${BASENAME}.>${TO} > > >>(Above line should not wrap) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 08:27:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCRRO7021892 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OCRR8K021891 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCRQMh021887 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCRQj4021200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:26 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCRIDb017175 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:18 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1016081rng for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:27:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DE+ZwiC8zjwW3fghpkpFw2si1Ewy+P2n8EidDnaURnExYMi+pzStya/3zfsgiwSGgPj4tIFqcWh2DaXwpU6l+kkp5VSl2zaP7eSLDHxVgzr1wW49MCvgdVUVY4PGrDsjZR6ERaR2BUYjMiRwk0k4WS5ShKVz8kf7cqwbwFFMhEs= Received: by 10.38.9.14 with SMTP id 14mr2682249rni; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.33 with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 05:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:18 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net, T Michael Hast Subject: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.992, required 6, AWL -1.47, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4OCRQMh021888 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both he and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of these things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here to see what you all have to say > I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and > tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I > haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any > Linux distro. There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure since I have never tried to use one of these things. Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 08:48:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmpwc022021 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OCmo0M022020 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmo3m022016 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmoCC022578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:50 -0400 Received: from host1.appws.com (host1.appws.com [216.136.72.3]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmWED020926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 93217 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 12:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 24 May 2005 12:37:56 -0000 Received: from 216.189.254.1 ([216.189.254.1]) by webmail.hogston.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:37:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1116938246.4293200693d5b@webmail.hogston.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:37:26 -0400 From: sean@hogston.com To: slug@nks.net, Paul M Foster Cc: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.189.254.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.98, required 6, AWL -1.07, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Quoting Paul M Foster : > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:00:02PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > What is wrong with this script?? > > Bob, by putting out a script like this without any explanation, we > assumed you wrote it, or knew how it worked. It looks, instead, like you > copied it from somewhere else. Right? > > I'll go over it, and try to explain the prior comments. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > #!/bin/sh > > > > ######################################################################### > > # A simple script to create smaller and lower quality images from > > # one directory to another > > ######################################################################### > > > > # The file format you wish to change > > FROM=jpg > > > > # The end result file format > > TO=jpg > > > > # Options for "convert" > > CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' > > > > # Pull the directory name for the title > > FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp > > TO_DIR=/home/bob/Webpages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages > > > > ######################################################################### > > # The actual conversion stuff > > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just stick > > # with the variables above (which should be good for most people > > ######################################################################### > > > > echo Running $0 > > echo > > > > COUNT=0 > > Someone asked if this is an unused variable. You've said here you want > to create a variable called COUNT, and you want to assign it a 0 value. > That's fine except that it's not referenced anywhere else in the script. > So it appears you're just assigning a variable a number for no reason, > thus an "unused variable". You can eliminate this line if you like. > > > > > cd $FROM_DIR > > Someone else mentioned $VARNAME versus ${VARNAME}. No, you won't find > this exact thing in your script, but the above is an example of what the > poster meant. When he said "VARNAME", he meant "variable name". Anything > preceded by a $ in a bash script is a variable. In this case, the > variable name is $FROM_DIR. In bash, you can also say ${FROM_DIR}, and > it means mostly the same thing. In most cases, it's a matter of > preference which form you use. In some cases you need to use ${FROM_DIR} > instead. But I don't think you have any of that kind of thing in your > script. > > You'll note that earlier, you created the COUNT variable and assigned it > a 0 value. Notice you didn't have a $ in front of it. When you first > create a variable and assign a value to it, you don't put the $ there. > But later if you wanted to _use_ the COUNT variable, like: > > echo $COUNT > > you'd have to put the $ in front of it, or bash would choke. Um, I > should also say that "echo" tells bash to print out everything else > that's on that line. So the line above would tell bash to print out the > value of the COUNT variable. > > > for i in *.$FROM; do > > > > echo $1 > > The above appears to by line 35 by my count. Terms like $0, $1, $2 > indicate the parameters with which you call the program. $0 is always > the name of the script. So for example, if you said: > > bobs_script joe sam > > then those variables would be as follows: > > $0 = bobs_script > $1 = joe > $2 = sam > > You can see from this how it would progress; the next thing on the > command line corresponds to the next number. > > In this case, I don't think you're actually passing the script any > parameters, so the $1 is meaningless. I suspect this should be > > echo $i > > instead of echo $1. That way the script would tell you what file it was > processing for each loop. > > If my count is right, I don't know why your script is telling you this > line is an unknown command. I suspect there is some alteration between > the running script and what you posted. Otherwise, it doesn't make > sense. > > > if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i" ] # Process only files not already done > > then > > echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > > convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO > > echo > > fi > > > > done; > > > > exit; > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is what I get: > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 38: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 41: : command not found > > bob@EasyStreet:/> > > Make the modification(s) I suggested above, and try the script again. If > still no joy and the error is the same, try to cut and paste the script > into an email back to the list (so there are no alterations). We can > look at it again. > > Paul Could it be that the script cannot find the convert command on this box? That might explain why it is giving the command not found. Try doing a which convert from the command line and see what it tells you. If it does not come back with the full path theres your answer. On my system (debian unstable/experimental) it is located at /usr/bin/convert. HTH Sean ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 08:48:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmvc2022033 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OCmv7q022032 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmv1l022028 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmu5f022581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:56 -0400 Received: from host1.appws.com (host1.appws.com [216.136.72.3]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCmWvj021759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:48:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 93217 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 12:37:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 24 May 2005 12:37:56 -0000 Received: from 216.189.254.1 ([216.189.254.1]) by webmail.hogston.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:37:26 -0400 Message-ID: <1116938246.4293200693d5b@webmail.hogston.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:37:26 -0400 From: sean@hogston.com To: slug@nks.net, Paul M Foster Cc: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.189.254.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Quoting Paul M Foster : > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:00:02PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > What is wrong with this script?? > > Bob, by putting out a script like this without any explanation, we > assumed you wrote it, or knew how it worked. It looks, instead, like you > copied it from somewhere else. Right? > > I'll go over it, and try to explain the prior comments. > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > #!/bin/sh > > > > ######################################################################### > > # A simple script to create smaller and lower quality images from > > # one directory to another > > ######################################################################### > > > > # The file format you wish to change > > FROM=jpg > > > > # The end result file format > > TO=jpg > > > > # Options for "convert" > > CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' > > > > # Pull the directory name for the title > > FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp > > TO_DIR=/home/bob/Webpages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages > > > > ######################################################################### > > # The actual conversion stuff > > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just stick > > # with the variables above (which should be good for most people > > ######################################################################### > > > > echo Running $0 > > echo > > > > COUNT=0 > > Someone asked if this is an unused variable. You've said here you want > to create a variable called COUNT, and you want to assign it a 0 value. > That's fine except that it's not referenced anywhere else in the script. > So it appears you're just assigning a variable a number for no reason, > thus an "unused variable". You can eliminate this line if you like. > > > > > cd $FROM_DIR > > Someone else mentioned $VARNAME versus ${VARNAME}. No, you won't find > this exact thing in your script, but the above is an example of what the > poster meant. When he said "VARNAME", he meant "variable name". Anything > preceded by a $ in a bash script is a variable. In this case, the > variable name is $FROM_DIR. In bash, you can also say ${FROM_DIR}, and > it means mostly the same thing. In most cases, it's a matter of > preference which form you use. In some cases you need to use ${FROM_DIR} > instead. But I don't think you have any of that kind of thing in your > script. > > You'll note that earlier, you created the COUNT variable and assigned it > a 0 value. Notice you didn't have a $ in front of it. When you first > create a variable and assign a value to it, you don't put the $ there. > But later if you wanted to _use_ the COUNT variable, like: > > echo $COUNT > > you'd have to put the $ in front of it, or bash would choke. Um, I > should also say that "echo" tells bash to print out everything else > that's on that line. So the line above would tell bash to print out the > value of the COUNT variable. > > > for i in *.$FROM; do > > > > echo $1 > > The above appears to by line 35 by my count. Terms like $0, $1, $2 > indicate the parameters with which you call the program. $0 is always > the name of the script. So for example, if you said: > > bobs_script joe sam > > then those variables would be as follows: > > $0 = bobs_script > $1 = joe > $2 = sam > > You can see from this how it would progress; the next thing on the > command line corresponds to the next number. > > In this case, I don't think you're actually passing the script any > parameters, so the $1 is meaningless. I suspect this should be > > echo $i > > instead of echo $1. That way the script would tell you what file it was > processing for each loop. > > If my count is right, I don't know why your script is telling you this > line is an unknown command. I suspect there is some alteration between > the running script and what you posted. Otherwise, it doesn't make > sense. > > > if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i" ] # Process only files not already done > > then > > echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > > convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO > > echo > > fi > > > > done; > > > > exit; > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is what I get: > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 38: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40: : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 41: : command not found > > bob@EasyStreet:/> > > Make the modification(s) I suggested above, and try the script again. If > still no joy and the error is the same, try to cut and paste the script > into an email back to the list (so there are no alterations). We can > look at it again. > > Paul Could it be that the script cannot find the convert command on this box? That might explain why it is giving the command not found. Try doing a which convert from the command line and see what it tells you. If it does not come back with the full path theres your answer. On my system (debian unstable/experimental) it is located at /usr/bin/convert. HTH Sean ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 08:57:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvJm2022098 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OCvJnF022097 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvJ58022093 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvJsU023007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCuuJN025841 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:56:56 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4OCusEh026162 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script In-Reply-To: <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:00:02PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > cd $FROM_DIR > > Someone else mentioned $VARNAME versus ${VARNAME}. No, you won't find > this exact thing in your script, but the above is an example of what the > poster meant. When he said "VARNAME", he meant "variable name". Anything > preceded by a $ in a bash script is a variable. In this case, the > variable name is $FROM_DIR. In bash, you can also say ${FROM_DIR}, and > it means mostly the same thing. In most cases, it's a matter of > preference which form you use. In some cases you need to use ${FROM_DIR} > instead. But I don't think you have any of that kind of thing in your > script. The difference between $VARNAME and ${VARNAME} arises when you set VARNAME to something (for example): VARNAME=foo Then echo $VARNAMEABC will print nothing (assuming nothing's in a variable called "VARNAMEABC") while echo ${VARNAME}ABC fooABC Using {} can never hurt (when used properly) and can sometimes help. > > for i in *.$FROM; do > > > >   echo $1 > > The above appears to by line 35 by my count. Terms like $0, $1, $2 > indicate the parameters with which you call the program. $0 is always > the name of the script. So for example, if you said: > > bobs_script joe sam > > then those variables would be as follows: > > $0 = bobs_script > $1 = joe > $2 = sam > > You can see from this how it would progress; the next thing on the > command line corresponds to the next number. > > In this case, I don't think you're actually passing the script any > parameters, so the $1 is meaningless. I suspect this should be > > echo $i > > instead of echo $1. That way the script would tell you what file it was > processing for each loop. What he said. > If my count is right, I don't know why your script is telling you this > line is an unknown command. I suspect there is some alteration between > the running script and what you posted. Otherwise, it doesn't make > sense. Is this /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert ? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 08:57:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvouc022111 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OCvoGA022110 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvn4D022106 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvngQ023014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:49 -0400 Received: from host1.appws.com (host1.appws.com [216.136.72.3]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvVcj022555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 94100 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 12:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 24 May 2005 12:47:00 -0000 Received: from 216.189.254.1 ([216.189.254.1]) by webmail.hogston.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1116938790.429322263df72@webmail.hogston.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:30 -0400 From: sean@hogston.com To: slug@nks.net, Chuck Hast Cc: slug@nks.net, T Michael Hast Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.189.254.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.623, required 6, AWL -0.71, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Quoting Chuck Hast : > Folks, > I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both he > and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of these > things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here to see > what you all have to say > > > I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and > > tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I > > haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any > > Linux distro. > > There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume > that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure since > I have never tried to use one of these things. > > Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? > > -- I have a logitech cordless mouse that I use with my laptop. It is the "Cordless Optical Mouse for Notebooks" Model # M-RAA93. It worked out of the box with no config changes on Debian. I have also tried the Microsoft Bluetooth Desktop combo which is the bluetooth keyboard and mouse. I really liked the feel of the mouse but never got it to work with linux. Originally I was trying on a 2.4 kernel under Fedora 1 then moved to debian and 2.6.x. I found a guy that had written a driver for debian but I had no luck even afer several kernel rebuilds. My experience has told me if it is standard USB with a transmitter you should be ok but stay away from the bluetooth ones unless you can find someone that has a working config. Always the best thing to do is get the model number of the device you are interested in and start with a google search. I talked with a guy from the business dept at my local CompUSA and he lets me use a machine with internet access to check for support on something before I buy it. Sean ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 08:58:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvx5m022123 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OCvxh9022122 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvxTE022118 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvxwe023016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:59 -0400 Received: from host1.appws.com (host1.appws.com [216.136.72.3]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OCvWrM025942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:57:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 94100 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 12:47:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 24 May 2005 12:47:00 -0000 Received: from 216.189.254.1 ([216.189.254.1]) by webmail.hogston.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:30 -0400 Message-ID: <1116938790.429322263df72@webmail.hogston.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:30 -0400 From: sean@hogston.com To: slug@nks.net, Chuck Hast Cc: slug@nks.net, T Michael Hast Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.189.254.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Quoting Chuck Hast : > Folks, > I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both he > and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of these > things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here to see > what you all have to say > > > I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and > > tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I > > haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any > > Linux distro. > > There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume > that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure since > I have never tried to use one of these things. > > Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? > > -- I have a logitech cordless mouse that I use with my laptop. It is the "Cordless Optical Mouse for Notebooks" Model # M-RAA93. It worked out of the box with no config changes on Debian. I have also tried the Microsoft Bluetooth Desktop combo which is the bluetooth keyboard and mouse. I really liked the feel of the mouse but never got it to work with linux. Originally I was trying on a 2.4 kernel under Fedora 1 then moved to debian and 2.6.x. I found a guy that had written a driver for debian but I had no luck even afer several kernel rebuilds. My experience has told me if it is standard USB with a transmitter you should be ok but stay away from the bluetooth ones unless you can find someone that has a working config. Always the best thing to do is get the model number of the device you are interested in and start with a google search. I talked with a guy from the business dept at my local CompUSA and he lets me use a machine with internet access to check for support on something before I buy it. Sean ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 09:27:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ODRIlk022394 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:27:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4ODRILP022393 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:27:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ODRHa8022389 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:27:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ODRH4F024272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:27:17 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ODQigE026961 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:26:44 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4ODQgEh018264 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux In-Reply-To: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Folks, > I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both he > and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of these > things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here to see > what you all have to say > > > I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and > > tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I > > haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any > > Linux distro. > > There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume > that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure since > I have never tried to use one of these things. > > Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? AFAIK the devices emulate standard (wired) peripherals, and the driver enables special (nonvital) features, such as "press a button combo to scroll" or "assign this button to this action in this program" on the trackball, or extra keys on the keyboard. There's usually an interval after the keyboard is in use, but before its driver is installed. If it looks like a keyboard, it had better ACT like one, or the manufacturer will have to deal with a mob with torches and pitchforks. When in doubt, buy from a brick&mortar store with a generous return policy. Me, I would choose PS/2 over USB, for several reasons: - I think there's no dedicated chip that controls USB, as there is for PS/2, thus the CPU gets to do it (joy!). - The dedicated PS/2 ports would be unoccupied if you chose a USB set. - USB peripherals require that newer (hence less tested, hence possibly buggier) drivers than do PS/2. USB does have the advantage of hot-pluggability, but that's not a big deal with keyboards and mice. Besides, the hardware may not mind the keyboard going away in an X session, but the software probably will. -- The powers in charge keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of national emergency. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 10:56:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OEuI0d022988 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:56:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OEuIBo022987 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:56:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OEuHod022983 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:56:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OEuH0J027103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:56:17 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OEtwK6022921 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:55:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE59D22E for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42934079.7030401@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:55:53 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.504, required 6, AWL -1.08, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both he > and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of these > things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here to see > what you all have to say > > >> I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and >>tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I >>haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any >>Linux distro. > > > There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume > that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure since > I have never tried to use one of these things. > > Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? > If the mouse/keyboard if of the type that plugs into a USB or PS/2 port, it should work fine on Linux. The main difficulty is in getting any extra keys to work, which is not all that difficult, but not automated. The idea is to use the .Xmodmap file to map keycode to X11 keys. Then you setup your window manager to trigger when one of those keys is received. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 12:51:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGpS0e023761 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:51:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OGpSQs023760 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:51:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGpSsf023756 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:51:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGpRiE031085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:51:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGpJ2b009799 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:51:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (2416422hfc135.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.164.22.135]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4OGpHd7017208 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42935B8A.3040807@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:51:22 -0400 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.502, required 6, AWL 0.02, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've been using the M$ Wireless Desktop Elite (mouse and keyboard) on one 'puter and have M$ Wireless Optical Mouse on another and both work with Fedora (both 2 and 3) for about a year now and I'm happy with the feel of them. Some of the special key do not work "out of the box", but as Kwan pointed out, they can be mapped (I read about it somewhere, but have not tried it yet). But I think with mice and keyboards, it it very individual: try how they feel before you buy! Just my 2 cents... ./Branko ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 12:58:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGwbYY023805 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OGwbHX023804 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGwbaX023800 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGwa04031308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from scruffy.austintheen.com (pcp840385pcs.venice01.fl.comcast.net [68.56.177.129]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OGwQwQ003488 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:27 -0400 Received: from bender.austintheen.com (bender.austintheen.com [192.168.1.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scruffy.austintheen.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359B0218B5 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux From: Austin Theen To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <42934079.7030401@digitalhermit.com> References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> <42934079.7030401@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vxs7ajq0JgHtd5cCEuhE" Organization: High Gear Solutions Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:57:46 -0400 Message-Id: <1116953866.11393.4.camel@bender.austintheen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.902, required 6, AWL 2.00, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-vxs7ajq0JgHtd5cCEuhE Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 10:55 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > Folks, > > I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both = he > > and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of t= hese > > things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here t= o see > > what you all have to say > >=20 > >=20 > >> I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and > >>tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I > >>haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any > >>Linux distro. > >=20 > >=20 > > There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume > > that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure s= ince > > I have never tried to use one of these things.=20 > >=20 > > Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? > >=20 >=20 > If the mouse/keyboard if of the type that plugs into a USB or PS/2 port,=20 > it should work fine on Linux. The main difficulty is in getting any=20 > extra keys to work, which is not all that difficult, but not automated.=20 > The idea is to use the .Xmodmap file to map keycode to X11 keys. Then=20 > you setup your window manager to trigger when one of those keys is receiv= ed. I'm using a Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro and have setup Gnome's Keyboard shortcuts to assign the extra keys to perform certain tasks.. For instance the multimedia keys control XMMS and the browser keys control firefox or nautilus (whichever happens to have focus). My keyboard map according to Gnome is 'Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro / Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro' and everything works great. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 14:20:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OIKpkW024393 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OIKpea024392 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OIKp3I024388 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OIKpwu001517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:51 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OIKZj9020157 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:36 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so983971rne for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rC/CfuqqR9KhE8IiVgnjXbVnQR9eYn9x43wG8bCyjwYYgfdQv2W+t6GR+FfYcl4Aeooje1W3/dWopmNThlQ0mI1elsITpaRZEKQvo3Doqe5NOFWpASC/CtK8oMyZU4CwBtU+iLAXpazZQyP04RFg8YutLaNKSsGmzbyn9tQ68AI= Received: by 10.38.14.66 with SMTP id 66mr3964085rnn; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b050524112036ef258b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:33 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux In-Reply-To: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4OIKp3I024389 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As long as the wireless is handled by the receiver and keyboard/mouse and outputs regular PS/2 or USB to the computer, it will work just like it's wired. Linux won't even know the difference. Just tell him to stay away from anything Bluetooth. BT is supported in Linux, but unless he's interested in a headache (and probably a good learning experience, if he's far enough into his Jedi training that he can actually figure it out) stay away from it. BT is glitchy even in Windows in my experience. I've used Logitech cordless keyboards many times with no problems or special configs on practically every distrobution. NF On 5/24/05, Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both he > and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of these > things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here to see > what you all have to say > > > I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and > > tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I > > haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any > > Linux distro. > > There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume > that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure since > I have never tried to use one of these things. > > Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? > > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 15:33:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OJXTeC024884 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OJXTGV024883 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OJXSSF024879 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OJXSS8004704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:28 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OJXC0F009845 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (213-246.115-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.115.246.213]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4OJXAd7019878 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:33:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1116963184.4938.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.204, required 6, AWL 1.70, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Folks I have an odd PC problem. Occasionally during shutdown my computer will lock up. To be more specific: I am running Fedora Core 3 Kernel: 2.6.11-1.14_FC3 Nvidia accelerated drivers I am using Gnome desktop. Hardware is pretty standard: Pentium 4 Asus Motherboard Nvida Ge-Force 5200 video card The lockup happens in Gnome when I select shutdown and press the OK button. Mind you it seems random this does not happen every time. The icons and toolbars disappear and it plays the logout sound and then locks up tight. I have no keyboard control and the only way out is to hold the power button down and force it to shut off. I'm not even sure where to start. I cannot place a specific event such as any specific software update that caused the issue. What logs could I look at? Is there any logging I could turn on? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 18:38:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OMchVW026122 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:38:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4OMchnB026121 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:38:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OMch4l026117 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:38:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OMchKW011087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:38:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4OMcank010701 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:38:36 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4OMcYGK009557 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200505242238.j4OMcYGK009557@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-index: AcVgmVJ7ecp6V/OzSOmTvSwPV4u1dgAGKg3Q In-reply-to: <1116963184.4938.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.727, required 6, AWL 1.17, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russ >>I have an odd PC problem. Occasionally during shutdown my computer will lock up. Hi Russ, My Fedora Core 3 PC was doing the exact same thing, until I removed the nVidia driver. That completely cleared the fault. Might be worth a try. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Russ Wright Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:33 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown Hello Folks I have an odd PC problem. Occasionally during shutdown my computer will lock up. To be more specific: I am running Fedora Core 3 Kernel: 2.6.11-1.14_FC3 Nvidia accelerated drivers I am using Gnome desktop. Hardware is pretty standard: Pentium 4 Asus Motherboard Nvida Ge-Force 5200 video card The lockup happens in Gnome when I select shutdown and press the OK button. Mind you it seems random this does not happen every time. The icons and toolbars disappear and it plays the logout sound and then locks up tight. I have no keyboard control and the only way out is to hold the power button down and force it to shut off. I'm not even sure where to start. I cannot place a specific event such as any specific software update that caused the issue. What logs could I look at? Is there any logging I could turn on? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 19:01:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ON1YXt026283 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:01:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4ON1Ydt026282 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:01:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ON1XDS026278 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:01:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ON1Xir011761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:01:33 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ON1Qc9017117 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:01:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.21] (darkstar.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.21]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F4F230 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4293B240.4090609@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:01:20 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown References: <200505242238.j4OMcYGK009557@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200505242238.j4OMcYGK009557@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: > Russ >>I have an odd PC problem. Occasionally during shutdown my computer > will lock up. > > Hi Russ, > > My Fedora Core 3 PC was doing the exact same thing, until I removed the > nVidia driver. That completely cleared the fault. > > Might be worth a try. > > Another thing to try is to remove any graphical or framebuffer console options when using the Nvidia.com drivers (versus the X11 supplied Nv drivers). I had similar issues on moving between virtual consoles until I removed fb consoles. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 22:12:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2CKvf027577 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:12:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4P2CJeV027576 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:12:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2CEcA027572 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:12:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2CEIM018138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:12:14 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2C739010697 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:12:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (213-246.115-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.115.246.213]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4P2C4lu007892 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4293B240.4090609@digitalhermit.com> References: <200505242238.j4OMcYGK009557@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <4293B240.4090609@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:12:04 -0400 Message-Id: <1116987124.4938.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 19:01 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > Ken Elliott wrote: > > Russ >>I have an odd PC problem. Occasionally during shutdown my computer > > will lock up. > > > > Hi Russ, > > > > My Fedora Core 3 PC was doing the exact same thing, until I removed the > > nVidia driver. That completely cleared the fault. > > > > Might be worth a try. > > > > > > Another thing to try is to remove any graphical or framebuffer console > options when using the Nvidia.com drivers (versus the X11 supplied Nv > drivers). I had similar issues on moving between virtual consoles until > I removed fb consoles. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kwan Can you be more specific? how do I remove graphical or framebuffer console options? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 22:13:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2Du3A027595 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:13:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4P2DusH027594 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:13:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2DtNN027590 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:13:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2DtZ9018180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:13:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P2DbNY027720 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:13:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (213-246.115-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.115.246.213]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4P2DYEg014943 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 22:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200505242238.j4OMcYGK009557@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200505242238.j4OMcYGK009557@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 22:13:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1116987214.4938.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.409, required 6, AWL 2.49, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 18:44 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > Russ >>I have an odd PC problem. Occasionally during shutdown my computer > will lock up. > > Hi Russ, > > My Fedora Core 3 PC was doing the exact same thing, until I removed the > nVidia driver. That completely cleared the fault. > > Might be worth a try. > > > Ken Elliott > Ken Now that you mention it the problems started when I installed the Nvidia latest drivers. I need the accelerated drivers however so maybe I can just downgrade one version. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 24 23:17:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P3HuRm028056 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:17:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4P3Hueo028055 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:17:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P3HtnX028051 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:17:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P3GFg3019543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:16:21 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P33dSK027528 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:03:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4D8230 for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4293EA6C.7070408@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:01:00 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown References: <200505242238.j4OMcYGK009557@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <4293B240.4090609@digitalhermit.com> <1116987124.4938.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1116987124.4938.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.2, required 6, AWL 0.70, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Russ Wright wrote: >>Another thing to try is to remove any graphical or framebuffer console >>options when using the Nvidia.com drivers (versus the X11 supplied Nv >>drivers). I had similar issues on moving between virtual consoles until >>I removed fb consoles. Some of the more desktop oriented distributions will load a graphical boot screen on a framebuffer console. Check the grub.conf entry to see if there's a vga= line. If so, remove the vga setting. You can check if this is the cause of the lockups by switching from the GUI to a console. Press CTL-ALT-F1 then CTL-ALT-F7 a few times. This should switch between your desktop and a console. If it locks, it's very likely the cause of the problems as the shutdown kills the X server then drops to a console in a similar fashion. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 01:10:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5ApJx028781 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4P5ApxE028780 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5Apb2028776 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5AiHR025327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:50 -0400 Received: from imo-m15.mx.aol.com (imo-m15.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.205]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5AV2K016791 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:31 -0400 Received: from VegetableBlood@aol.com by imo-m15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 4.20.45803d6d (15886) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-R38 (fwm-r38.webmail.aol.com [152.163.181.142]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID81-3e0e429408c03e6; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:24 -0400 Message-Id: <8C72EFF312DFD52-778-BB31@FWM-R38.sysops.aol.com> From: vegetableblood@aol.com References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> Received: from 172.149.135.40 by FWM-R38.sysops.aol.com (152.163.181.142) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 25 May 2005 01:10:24 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.0.0.12281 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.142 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, that's funny. I just went out and bought a usb cordless optical mouse (cause I don't like the touchpad on my laptop, and it doesn't have ps/2 support) with only windows drivers. Figured that Linux would do the rest. I'm running SuSE 9.2 FTP and after plugging it in, I could not get it to work (modified YaST, ran hardware detection, searched the web, etc.). I finally got frustrated and shut the pc off. After rebooting a dialogue came up and said "new hardware found". So if he ever has that problem tell him to reboot. That's always worth a try at least ;) Anyway, I was just curious as to how old your nephew is, because my mom thinks it's strange for a 17-year-old such as myself to be "obsessed" with Linux as opposed to buying into Microsoft's corporate propaganda. --Possum -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net; T Michael Hast Sent: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:27:18 -0400 Subject: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux Folks, I have a nephew out in Oklahoma who is really getting into Linux, both he and his wife. He asked me this question, and I have never used one of these things so not sure how to answer it, thought i would toss it out here to see what you all have to say > I've been half-heartedly looking at cordless keyboards and > tracballs. Most of them say they have drivers for M$ and Mac OS. I > haven't seen any that specifically say that they will work with any > Linux distro. There are some that have been on the market long enough that I assume that they have drivers for them under Linux, but can not say for sure since I have never tried to use one of these things. Any recommendations out there, are there some that work? -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 01:32:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5W1Ig028986 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:32:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4P5W1rI028985 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:32:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5W00R028977 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:32:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5W0GW026189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:32:00 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4P5VkCu013694 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:31:47 -0400 Received: from pool-7.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.187] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11d10/96) id 2RAY700 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 01:31:07 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 01:32:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505250132.34895.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.955, required 6, AWL 0.94, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4P5W00R028978 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 24 May 2005 01:19, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:00:02PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > What is wrong with this script?? > > Bob, by putting out a script like this without any explanation, we > assumed you wrote it, or knew how it worked. It looks, instead, like > you copied it from somewhere else. Right? Ummmmm....BLUSH !!! Yes, I copied it and modified it to work ?? for me. Made the suggested changes by you and Eben and still doesn't work. The copied script is below. > > I'll go over it, and try to explain the prior comments. > ........................ OK, Thanks > >###### # The actual conversion stuff > > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just > > stick # with the variables above (which should be good for most > > people > > ################################################################### > >###### > > > > echo Running $0 > > echo > > > > COUNT=0 > > Someone asked if this is an unused variable. You've said here you > want to create a variable called COUNT, and you want to assign it a 0 > value. That's fine except that it's not referenced anywhere else in > the script. So it appears you're just assigning a variable a number > for no reason, thus an "unused variable". You can eliminate this line > if you like. OK, understood and removed. > > > cd $FROM_DIR > > Someone else mentioned $VARNAME versus ${VARNAME}. No, you won't find > this exact thing in your script, but the above is an example of what > the poster meant. When he said "VARNAME", he meant "variable name". > Anything preceded by a $ in a bash script is a variable. In this > case, the variable name is $FROM_DIR. In bash, you can also say > ${FROM_DIR}, and it means mostly the same thing. In most cases, it's > a matter of preference which form you use. In some cases you need to > use ${FROM_DIR} instead. But I don't think you have any of that kind > of thing in your script. OK, understood and learning, (hopefully) > > You'll note that earlier, you created the COUNT variable and assigned > it a 0 value. Notice you didn't have a $ in front of it. When you > first create a variable and assign a value to it, you don't put the $ > there. But later if you wanted to _use_ the COUNT variable, like: > > echo $COUNT > > you'd have to put the $ in front of it, or bash would choke. Um, I > should also say that "echo" tells bash to print out everything else > that's on that line. So the line above would tell bash to print out > the value of the COUNT variable. > > > for i in *.$FROM; do > > > >   echo $1 > > The above appears to by line 35 by my count. Terms like $0, $1, $2 > indicate the parameters with which you call the program. $0 is always > the name of the script. So for example, if you said: > > bobs_script joe sam > > then those variables would be as follows: > > $0 = bobs_script > $1 = joe > $2 = sam > > You can see from this how it would progress; the next thing on the > command line corresponds to the next number. > > In this case, I don't think you're actually passing the script any > parameters, so the $1 is meaningless. I suspect this should be > > echo $i > > instead of echo $1. That way the script would tell you what file it > was processing for each loop. OK, changed that. > > If my count is right, I don't know why your script is telling you > this line is an unknown command. I suspect there is some alteration > between the running script and what you posted. Otherwise, it doesn't > make sense. > > >   if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i"  ]       # Process only files not already > > done  then > >          echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > >           convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i > > $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO echo > >   fi > > > > done; > > > > exit; > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- .................................... > > Make the modification(s) I suggested above, and try the script again. > If still no joy and the error is the same, try to cut and paste the > script into an email back to the list (so there are no alterations). > We can look at it again. > > Paul Sean, running SuSE 9.2 Pro. Yes, my convert is at /usr/bin/convert also. Kwan, would like to try your suggested changes but if they are not necessary I'd like to get this to work first. Eben, You said, "Is this /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert ?" Yes, that is where the script is and how I run it. Following is the script after Paul's and your suggestions: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/bin/sh ######################################################################### # A simple script to create smaller  and lower quality images from # one directory to another ######################################################################### # The file format you wish to change FROM=jpg # The end result file format TO=jpg # Options for "convert" CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' # Pull the directory name for the title FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp TO_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages ######################################################################### # The actual conversion stuff # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just stick # with the variables above (which should be good for most people ######################################################################### echo Running $0 echo cd $FROM_DIR for i in *.$FROM; do   echo $i   if [[ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i"  ]]       # Process only files not already done        then          echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS           convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO        echo   fi done; exit; --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 07:18:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PBIQtN031512 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:18:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PBIQnI031511 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:18:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PBIQoZ031507 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:18:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PBIP5r007722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:18:26 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PBI1lY001008 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:18:01 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so66333rng for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 04:18:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e6NapSs2NUTC4NxPJggUHpjnM2EQTjbCz25FfBHcghmBXx2v33ISWcSdiBRnDyrJcMUJfLBMljFTvAPnwa2dkNVZhAb/3RAR++AXFDKXP5ylbGLO627nrlXA9WaDRFeXEE0wSDPEQo271nAPArbuAlFpgn5iMWPkhDZhMIFFQDs= Received: by 10.38.22.29 with SMTP id 29mr566962rnv; Wed, 25 May 2005 04:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.33 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 04:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705052504187721ee37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 07:18:00 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Cordless Keyboards/trackballs and Linux In-Reply-To: <8C72EFF312DFD52-778-BB31@FWM-R38.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c905705052405271cde7d2a@mail.gmail.com> <8C72EFF312DFD52-778-BB31@FWM-R38.sysops.aol.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.602, required 6, AWL 0.30, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4PBIQoZ031508 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/25/05, vegetableblood@aol.com wrote: > Hey, that's funny. > > I just went out and bought a usb cordless optical mouse (cause I don't > like the touchpad on my laptop, and it doesn't have ps/2 support) with > only windows drivers. Figured that Linux would do the rest. > > I'm running SuSE 9.2 FTP and after plugging it in, I could not get it > to work (modified YaST, ran hardware detection, searched the web, > etc.). I finally got frustrated and shut the pc off. After rebooting > a dialogue came up and said "new hardware found". So if he ever has > that problem tell him to reboot. That's always worth a try at least ;) > > Anyway, I was just curious as to how old your nephew is, because my mom > thinks it's strange for a 17-year-old such as myself to be "obsessed" > with Linux as opposed to buying into Microsoft's corporate propaganda. > He has joined the list so I will let him talk for him self... -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 08:27:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCRoR0032007 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:27:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PCRolI032006 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:27:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCRorl032002 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:27:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCRnUH010845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:27:50 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCRSAa002314 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:27:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.160] ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27611 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: <429469BD.4090003@washpat.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:04:13 -0400 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2, required 6, AWL -1.09, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I will be unable to attend the meeting. That doesn't mean we don't have to have one. We do have the room at Panera Bread on 4th street reserved. Feel free to use it. I am attending the Redhat conference in New Orlean, I totally forgot, my flight is monday afternoon. As for next month, we will have change in location. J.J. Rohrer is kind enough to let us meet at his company, more on that later. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 08:35:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCZtMU032058 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:35:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PCZtf6032057 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:35:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCZsWR032053 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:35:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCZs5w011160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:35:54 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCZgNf006105 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:35:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (213-246.115-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.115.246.213]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4PCZeEg014983 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown - SOLVED!! From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1116963184.4938.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1116963184.4938.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:35:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1117024539.4685.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.128, required 6, AWL -0.60, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 15:33 -0400, Russ Wright wrote: > The lockup happens in Gnome when I select shutdown and press the OK > button. Mind you it seems random this does not happen every time. The > icons and toolbars disappear and it plays the logout sound and then > locks up tight. I have no keyboard control and the only way out is to > hold the power button down and force it to shut off. > Okay I made some discoveries. Last night I switched over to console mode by doing CTRL-ALT-F1 I logged in as root and issued a #shutdown now command. The box started to shut down and then kernel panic. This morning I ran the yum update and a new kernel was installed. The install of a new kernel forced a re-install of the NVIDIA driver. I decided to install version 7167 instead of 7174 and things are nice and stable now. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 08:51:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCpZuX032166 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:51:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PCpZwW032165 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:51:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCpYgS032161 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:51:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCpXqm011664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:51:34 -0400 Received: from host1.appws.com (host1.appws.com [216.136.72.3]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PCpG8w000534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:51:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 40217 invoked from network); 25 May 2005 12:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 25 May 2005 12:40:36 -0000 Received: from 216.189.254.1 ([216.189.254.1]) by webmail.hogston.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: <1117024806.429472263aea0@webmail.hogston.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:40:06 -0400 From: sean@hogston.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050524051925.GC30362@quillandmouse.com> <200505250132.34895.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200505250132.34895.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 216.189.254.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.188, required 6, AWL 1.71, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Quoting Bob Stia : > On Tuesday 24 May 2005 01:19, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:00:02PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > > > What is wrong with this script?? > > > > Bob, by putting out a script like this without any explanation, we > > assumed you wrote it, or knew how it worked. It looks, instead, like > > you copied it from somewhere else. Right? > > Ummmmm....BLUSH !!! Yes, I copied it and modified it to work ?? for me. > Made the suggested changes by you and Eben and still doesn't work. The > copied script is below. > > > > I'll go over it, and try to explain the prior comments. > > > ........................ > OK, Thanks > > > >###### # The actual conversion stuff > > > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just > > > stick # with the variables above (which should be good for most > > > people > > > ################################################################### > > >###### > > > > > > echo Running $0 > > > echo > > > > > > COUNT=0 > > > > Someone asked if this is an unused variable. You've said here you > > want to create a variable called COUNT, and you want to assign it a 0 > > value. That's fine except that it's not referenced anywhere else in > > the script. So it appears you're just assigning a variable a number > > for no reason, thus an "unused variable". You can eliminate this line > > if you like. > > OK, understood and removed. > > > > > cd $FROM_DIR > > > > Someone else mentioned $VARNAME versus ${VARNAME}. No, you won't find > > this exact thing in your script, but the above is an example of what > > the poster meant. When he said "VARNAME", he meant "variable name". > > Anything preceded by a $ in a bash script is a variable. In this > > case, the variable name is $FROM_DIR. In bash, you can also say > > ${FROM_DIR}, and it means mostly the same thing. In most cases, it's > > a matter of preference which form you use. In some cases you need to > > use ${FROM_DIR} instead. But I don't think you have any of that kind > > of thing in your script. > > OK, understood and learning, (hopefully) > > > > You'll note that earlier, you created the COUNT variable and assigned > > it a 0 value. Notice you didn't have a $ in front of it. When you > > first create a variable and assign a value to it, you don't put the $ > > there. But later if you wanted to _use_ the COUNT variable, like: > > > > echo $COUNT > > > > you'd have to put the $ in front of it, or bash would choke. Um, I > > should also say that "echo" tells bash to print out everything else > > that's on that line. So the line above would tell bash to print out > > the value of the COUNT variable. > > > > > for i in *.$FROM; do > > > > > > echo $1 > > > > The above appears to by line 35 by my count. Terms like $0, $1, $2 > > indicate the parameters with which you call the program. $0 is always > > the name of the script. So for example, if you said: > > > > bobs_script joe sam > > > > then those variables would be as follows: > > > > $0 = bobs_script > > $1 = joe > > $2 = sam > > > > You can see from this how it would progress; the next thing on the > > command line corresponds to the next number. > > > > In this case, I don't think you're actually passing the script any > > parameters, so the $1 is meaningless. I suspect this should be > > > > echo $i > > > > instead of echo $1. That way the script would tell you what file it > > was processing for each loop. > > OK, changed that. > > > > If my count is right, I don't know why your script is telling you > > this line is an unknown command. I suspect there is some alteration > > between the running script and what you posted. Otherwise, it doesn't > > make sense. > > > > > if [ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i" ] # Process only files not already > > > done then > > > echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > > > convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i > > > $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO echo > > > fi > > > > > > done; > > > > > > exit; > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > .................................... > > > > Make the modification(s) I suggested above, and try the script again. > > If still no joy and the error is the same, try to cut and paste the > > script into an email back to the list (so there are no alterations). > > We can look at it again. > > > > Paul > > Sean, running SuSE 9.2 Pro. Yes, my convert is at /usr/bin/convert also. > > Kwan, would like to try your suggested changes but if they are not > necessary I'd like to get this to work first. > > Eben, You said, "Is this /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert ?" > Yes, that is where the script is and how I run it. > > Following is the script after Paul's and your suggestions: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #!/bin/sh > > ######################################################################### > # A simple script to create smaller and lower quality images from > # one directory to another > ######################################################################### > > # The file format you wish to change > FROM=jpg > > # The end result file format > TO=jpg > > # Options for "convert" > CONVERT_OPTIONS='-quality 70 -geometry 800x600' > > # Pull the directory name for the title > FROM_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp > TO_DIR=/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages > > ######################################################################### > # The actual conversion stuff > # You can edit stuff below here to change how this works, or just stick > # with the variables above (which should be good for most people > ######################################################################### > > echo Running $0 > echo > > > cd $FROM_DIR > for i in *.$FROM; do > > echo $i > if [[ ! -e "$TO_DIR/$i" ]] # Process only files not already > done > then > echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO > echo > fi > > done; > > exit; > ok I have one last thing to try and then i'm out of suggestions. for the convert line change it to be /usr/bin/convert instead of just convert. I suggest this only because it is using /bin/sh and MAYBE when the script is running it does not find the convert command. I have noticed this in some of my scripts so I usually make it a habbit to either put the full path to the command or set it as a variable. Sean ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 09:43:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PDhQw5032532 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:43:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PDhQgQ032531 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:43:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PDhQXd032527 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:43:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PDhP1Z013301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:43:25 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PDh8dp010137 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 09:43:08 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so223663wri for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 06:43:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RyFoDHtVqdOjqXK8mkpzOEj6xn2ma9K/MXxstndXFJgHfNl+sCHjKRBx04iBVVsAhQqODdSq4BCM+F64/fCecNX1hUFUXeNMtzvhglV5WAVlCr7Qmys2JBpaLfY1mx4GHhveMi2vdut95tSXY+PZ4ASZQBEUduqUSmv/NZaE2/g= Received: by 10.54.140.3 with SMTP id n3mr351678wrd; Wed, 25 May 2005 06:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.13 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 06:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310505250643607dfab6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 09:43:08 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Lockups on shutdown - SOLVED!! In-Reply-To: <1117024539.4685.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1116963184.4938.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1117024539.4685.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.826, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4PDhQXd032528 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Okay I made some discoveries. Last night I switched over to console > mode by doing CTRL-ALT-F1 I logged in as root and issued a #shutdown > now command. The box started to shut down and then kernel panic. > > This morning I ran the yum update and a new kernel was installed. The > install of a new kernel forced a re-install of the NVIDIA driver. I > decided to install version 7167 instead of 7174 and things are nice and > stable now. I've had stability issues with every version since 6629... -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 11:17:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PFH6NS000702 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:17:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PFH6iD000701 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:17:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PFH5V3000697 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:17:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PFH5It016261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:17:05 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PFGoZQ027951 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:50 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so69419rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IiJimkfwuM73uk6vxf8vK1foJIv1foM7Yk5nulMAs5+Xs6TIGHIA3jtKvHjgL865CrOH3A9QYpvgGRdOL7JFYjtmVLvo6C6SR6FKErj4ha0XSaw+tHiEDU6+xU12i6qE+qp/7HDaosiWY2jNGnzzf5GSO5kN88Q9lQEzJd29JYo= Received: by 10.11.99.1 with SMTP id w1mr17238cwb; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.94.53 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:16:47 -0400 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] isorm? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2371_9346180.1117034207735" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.099, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2371_9346180.1117034207735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium Pro=20 system, and am currently looking at isorm (http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D21&products_id=3D197 minus $90 for no OS =3D $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any othe= r=20 local tampa stores instead? 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I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium Pr= o system, and am currently looking at isorm (http://www.isorm.com/p= roduct_info.php?cPath=3D21&products_id=3D197=20  minus $90 for no OS =3D $299) which is located on N Florida by Be= arss.
 
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any = other local tampa stores instead?
 
Thanks,
~ Daniel
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 13:08:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PH8Mn8001427 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:08:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PH8MYO001426 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:08:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PH8M6s001422 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:08:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PH8MFO020055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:08:22 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PH84aS022907 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:08:04 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so76136rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CN4MmD5+lOhP4soZAprrpK0Oah3PYbwJmA/Eaj6wEU8OPHjzI2EYTyhphj/NEcvxjcpxUMSLdbou6ZFO66JzzHAHdjGyJLFHbVh5azwltcjlr5uRgwCZTKvQrUDxwuk7PmNtxNFYT11INF0E/gwfo2cq/Jw/Pfctv1AHs/WGZbM= Received: by 10.38.150.9 with SMTP id x9mr219500rnd; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:08:01 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting In-Reply-To: <429469BD.4090003@washpat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <429469BD.4090003@washpat.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.359, required 6, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4PH8M6s001423 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/25/05, aaron steimle wrote: > I will be unable to attend the meeting. That doesn't mean we don't have > to have one. We do have the room at Panera Bread on 4th street reserved. > Feel free to use it. > I am attending the Redhat conference in New Orlean, I totally forgot, my > flight is monday afternoon. > > As for next month, we will have change in location. J.J. Rohrer is kind > enough to let us meet at his company, more on that later. Of course, I imagine i'll be there. Perhaps we can have a nice, relaxed, informal meeting so the Sarasotans stop raggining on us in the IRC channel. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 13:21:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PHLV00001566 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:21:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PHLVA1001565 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:21:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PHLVFq001561 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:21:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PHLUSe020604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:21:31 -0400 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4PHL9gd019045 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:21:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 61192 invoked from network); 25 May 2005 17:21:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Stan) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 25 May 2005 17:21:08 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.227.40.26 Message-ID: <000301c5614e$23ed3a20$6501a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <429469BD.4090003@washpat.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:21:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.399, required 6, AWL 1.03, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net We'll be there, as always... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dylan Hardison" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] St. Pete Meeting > On 5/25/05, aaron steimle wrote: >> I will be unable to attend the meeting. That doesn't mean we don't have >> to have one. We do have the room at Panera Bread on 4th street reserved. >> Feel free to use it. >> I am attending the Redhat conference in New Orlean, I totally forgot, my >> flight is monday afternoon. >> >> As for next month, we will have change in location. J.J. Rohrer is kind >> enough to let us meet at his company, more on that later. > > Of course, I imagine i'll be there. Perhaps we can have a nice, > relaxed, informal meeting so the Sarasotans stop raggining on us in > the IRC channel. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 13:38:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PHceYO001671 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:38:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PHcewD001670 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:38:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PHcepf001666 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:38:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PHcZBh021165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:38:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PHcDFT021900 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:38:13 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4PHcBb7012175 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:37:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium Pro > system, and am currently looking at isorm > (http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=197 > minus $90 for no OS = $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. > Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any other > local tampa stores instead? 256 MB RAM isn't much. You will probably want to upgrade that pronto. I would avoid onboard components in favor of things on cards, if possible. They're usually more flexible and of better quality. For instance, my latest motherboard (Asus A7V-333) came with onboard sound. I saw no way around that. But, it has only three jacks. If I upgrade to 4- or 6-channel audio, I lose either my microphone or line in or both. I used a Soundblaster Live! I had used with my former motherboard, and it has enough dedicated jacks for all that plus more. And, it (or ALSA) would mix overlapping sounds, which wouldn't happen with the onboard card. Is anything wrong with your case, power supply, or hard drive? Why not just replace the motherboard, CPU and memory if not? You pay some extra for a storefront, maybe 25%. So what costs $300 locally can probably be found on the net for $225. Or, if you've already decided to spend $300, on the net you could find a $300 computer which would cost $400 locally. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 14:04:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PI47sG001835 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:04:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PI47Ud001834 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:04:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PI47ON001830 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:04:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PI46qo022197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:04:07 -0400 Received: from mail.hallock.net (mail.hallock.net [207.54.169.132]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PI3hwx020605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:03:43 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [70.110.67.97] (account macyh HELO [192.168.1.36]) by mail.hallock.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 97061 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4294BDE9.3060908@hallock.net> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:03:21 -0400 From: Macy1 Hallock User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.55, required 6, AWL -3.35, BAYES_44 -0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daniel Jarboe wrote: > I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium > Pro system, and am currently looking at isorm > (http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=197 > minus > $90 for no OS = $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. > > Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any > other local tampa stores instead? Regarding the system you selected: I'm not a great fan of no-name generic Via based motherboards. Most tend to be Windows specific in their various drivers and Linux support by the mfr is usually not available. I prefer to stick with mbds from Intel, Asus, Tyan or complete IBM systems. But I've bought a few generic mbd's that had good reviews on the hardware and linux sites. That said, many Linux users use inexpensive mbd's with good results. Chipset and video/ethernet driver support by your chosen distro is the most critical issue. The only way you can really confirm compatiblity for generic mbd's is to try them out. Reminder: Always buy as much RAM as you can afford up front. (I've never seen any postings here complaining about performance and too much RAM.) The vendor in question is quite close to me and their prices do seem competitive. Think I'll visit their storefront with a couple of live CD's in hand for testing and check out their offerings later this week. -- >>> Macy Hallock Hallock Consulting Lutz, FL + Medina, OH <<< Tel 813-632-2988 Cell 813-493-8899 Email macy1 (at) hallock.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 14:12:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PICOJL001883 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:12:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PICO2x001882 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:12:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PICNBP001878 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:12:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIC93c022485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:12:23 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIBoBP021575 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:11:50 -0400 Received: from [10.0.1.12] (6532231hfc86.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.231.86]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4PIBlEg001113 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? From: 404 To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Textbox Networks Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:19:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1117045151.12200.3.camel@slacker.fullyautomatic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.859, required 6, AWL -0.95, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2005-05-25 at 11:16 -0400, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium > Pro system, and am currently looking at isorm > (http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=197 minus > $90 for no OS = $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. > > Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any > other local tampa stores instead? If you need "just a workstation" check out sub300.com (canada), I have picked up about 4 machines from them so far. Everything is on-board (32mb shared video) & works in Linux as they don't offer Windoze. Just an idea... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 14:41:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIfagX002133 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PIfaZg002132 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIfau1002128 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIfZ7f023672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:35 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIfGPj001866 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:16 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so85914rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:41:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WeshvcuLFKSyf+UEdRUeJkkihemFxs2jgUyXqz5OVMcbGg67usT7nKNwdoorwdDigR/cpAFktO1iv/hUvrSXhAYGA1fXRDm4RRtduGGOzibh71uvxrisKmSfkRvbqd/wDn0i9DQa8frLjlJnVBCoe7tp5+txZSlJB8ZLEP/mfes= Received: by 10.39.3.56 with SMTP id f56mr248491rni; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:15 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7673_28777488.1117046475926" References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.099, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_7673_28777488.1117046475926 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and refurb= =20 systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff is IBM.=20 www.itxchange.com here's one I noticed: ThinkCentre A30 - Celeron 2.2GHz/128KB, 400MHz, 256MB, 80GB, No FDD, 52X CD= =20 ROM, PCI Tower (4x4), Intel Extreme Graphics, Intel 10/100 Ethernet, No O/S $278 You can get a system for less than $200 for a P3.. I just quickly looked at= =20 their listings, but they have a lot of different stuff. Just a thought. On 5/25/05, Daniel Jarboe wrote: >=20 > I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium Pro= =20 > system, and am currently looking at isorm (http://www.isorm.com/product_i= nfo.php?cPath=3D21&products_id=3D197=20 > minus $90 for no OS =3D $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. > Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any=20 > other local tampa stores instead? > Thanks, > ~ Daniel > ------=_Part_7673_28777488.1117046475926 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and refurb systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff is IBM. www.itxchange.com

here's one I noticed:
ThinkCentre A30 - Celeron 2.2GHz/128KB, 400MHz, 256MB, 80GB, No FDD, 52X CD ROM, PCI Tower (4x4), Intel Extreme Graphics, Intel 10/100 Ethernet, No O/S

$278

You can get a system for less than $200 for a P3.. I just quickly looked at their listings, but they have a lot of different stuff.

Just a thought.


On 5/25/05, Daniel Jarboe <da= niel.jarboe@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium Pr= o system, and am currently looking at isorm ( http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D21&products_id=3D197=20  minus $90 for no OS =3D $299) which is located on N Florida by Be= arss.
 
Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any = other local tampa stores instead?
 
Thanks,
~ Daniel

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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 14:43:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIhXoY002154 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:43:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PIhX9a002153 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:43:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIhXjG002149 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:43:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIhWXP023743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:43:32 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIh7ak008090 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:43:08 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so95245rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:43:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qwNZzUb4g/eovvxpSLinxH4/ONW9Tbo0Qxbh95BLAWYdOHVIE9ETX1tGt4NWhU97RzVZnTQfwfxmkf4aXtF3Ysb3Bw79qlV7nxL8GguM1nBHiqw+1p4Nw+rUhi6iNnNut9f5y8G2uBpV5Bi3c7sZvJUdqgLoSKGD43ftoBAUW3Q= Received: by 10.11.99.1 with SMTP id w1mr18846cwb; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.94.53 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd050525114324261b71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:43:07 -0400 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2479_8961791.1117046587254" References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.963, required 6, AWL -2.06, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2479_8961791.1117046587254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for the feedback Eben. The system it is replacing was originally=20 purchased in 1996, and is a bit of a frankenstein. I'm much more of a=20 software guy than a hardware guy and to be honest I wasn't sure if the new= =20 components would all fit together the same with the old pieces/case. Just a quick rundown, the original power-supply blew up a few years ago,= =20 and I got an equivalent used for $2 on ebay which has held up since so far.= =20 Also dead is the original cpu fan and cdrom, and lately it's been taking=20 weird and unpredictable i/o errors on different optical devices and=20 hard-drives that no amount of juggling master/slave and using different ata= =20 ribbon cables has been able to remedy. The case has been, well, "shortened"= =20 in order to fit into a tight space. I plan to scavenge what I can from it= =20 (soundcard, 10/100 ethernet cards, etc), but it's time for a replacement :)= . After a day or two of looking around this place seems to be fairly=20 competitive with net-only stores (though their quote to upgrade from 256MB= =20 to 512MB is priced too high, they are offering it for free as of 4 days ago= =20 if you ask for it http://forums.isorm.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D4). I was just= =20 checking to make sure that nobody knew of any much better deals or places o= r=20 had any reasons to avoid these guys. I do value the warranty and it being= =20 local, and it seems competitively priced. Thanks for your help and=20 suggestions! ~ Daniel On 5/25/05, Eben King wrote:=20 >=20 > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Daniel Jarboe wrote: >=20 > > I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium Pro > > system, and am currently looking at isorm > > (http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D21&products_id=3D197 > > minus $90 for no OS =3D $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. > > Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any= =20 > other > > local tampa stores instead? >=20 > 256 MB RAM isn't much. You will probably want to upgrade that pronto. I > would avoid onboard components in favor of things on cards, if possible. > They're usually more flexible and of better quality. >=20 > For instance, my latest motherboard (Asus A7V-333) came with onboard=20 > sound. > I saw no way around that. But, it has only three jacks. If I upgrade to 4= - > or 6-channel audio, I lose either my microphone or line in or both. I use= d > a Soundblaster Live! I had used with my former motherboard, and it has > enough dedicated jacks for all that plus more. And, it (or ALSA) would mi= x > overlapping sounds, which wouldn't happen with the onboard card. >=20 > Is anything wrong with your case, power supply, or hard drive? Why not=20 > just > replace the motherboard, CPU and memory if not? >=20 > You pay some extra for a storefront, maybe 25%. So what costs $300 locall= y > can probably be found on the net for $225. Or, if you've already decided= =20 > to > spend $300, on the net you could find a $300 computer which would cost=20 > $400 > locally. >=20 > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... > but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and > windows and never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_2479_8961791.1117046587254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks for the feedback Eben.  The system it is replacing was ori= ginally purchased in 1996, and is a bit of a frankenstein.  I'm much m= ore of a software guy than a hardware guy and to be honest I wasn't sure if= the new components would all fit together the same with the old pieces/cas= e.
 
Just a quick rundown, the original power-supply blew up a few years ag= o, and I got an equivalent used for $2 on ebay which has held up since so f= ar.  Also dead is the original cpu fan and cdrom, and lately it's= been taking weird and unpredictable i/o errors on different optical device= s and hard-drives that no amount of juggling master/slave and using differe= nt ata ribbon cables has been able to remedy.  The case has been,= well, "shortened" in order to fit into a tight space. = I plan to scavenge what I can from it (soundcard, 10/100 ethernet cards, e= tc), but it's time for a replacement :).
 
After a day or two of looking around this place seems to be fairl= y competitive with net-only stores (though their quote to upgrade from 256M= B to 512MB is priced too high, they are offering it for free as of 4 days a= go if you ask for it=20 http://forums.isorm= .com/viewtopic.php?t=3D4).  I was just checking to make sure that = nobody knew of any much better deals or places or had any reasons to avoid = these guys.  I do value the warranty and it being local, and it seems = competitively priced.  Thanks for your help and suggestions!
 
~ Daniel

 
On 5/25/05, = Eben King <eben1@tampabay.r= r.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2005, Daniel Jarb= oe wrote:

> I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a = flakey Pentium Pro
> system, and am currently looking at isorm
> (http://= www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=3D21&products_id=3D197
>= minus $90 for no OS =3D $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss.
>  Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or= recommend any other
> local tampa stores instead?

256 MB RAM = isn't much.  You will probably want to upgrade that pronto. =  I
would avoid onboard components in favor of things on cards, if p= ossible.
They're usually more flexible and of better quality.

For instanc= e, my latest motherboard (Asus A7V-333) came with onboard sound.
I saw n= o way around that.  But, it has only three jacks.  If I= upgrade to 4-
or 6-channel audio, I lose either my microphone or line in or both. &n= bsp;I used
a Soundblaster Live! I had used with my former motherboard, a= nd it has
enough dedicated jacks for all that plus more.  And,= it (or ALSA) would mix
overlapping sounds, which wouldn't happen with the onboard card.
Is anything wrong with your case, power supply, or hard drive?  = Why not just
replace the motherboard, CPU and memory if not?

You = pay some extra for a storefront, maybe 25%.  So what costs $300 l= ocally
can probably be found on the net for $225.  Or, if you've alr= eady decided to
spend $300, on the net you could find a $300 computer wh= ich would cost $400
locally.

--
-eben    <= a href=3D"mailto:ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm"> ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm    home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar
CAPRICORN= :  The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person...
bu= t you know they're lying.  If I were you, I'd lock my doors and
windows and never never never never leave my house again.  --= Weird Al


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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 14:45:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIjr3G002176 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:45:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PIjrS5002175 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:45:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIjrap002171 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:45:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIjq1p023810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:45:52 -0400 Received: from tampadsl.net (mail.tampadsl.net [198.31.248.210]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PIjXgH008509 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:45:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.3.6] [63.135.232.210] by tampadsl.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id A5529C0010A; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:34:58 -0400 From: A2L1 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Dunedin meeting Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:45:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505251445.26872.ulmerton@tampadsl.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.1, required 6, AWL 0.20, BAYES_30 -0.90, J_CHICKENPOX_66 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello out there in SLUG land. i will be bringing to the Dunedin meeting various install disks. I dont want to can them and have no intention of using them so I will give them to anyone that wants. The list: Suse 9.2 Pro -- 5 cds Suse 9.1 Pro -- 5 cds Suse 9.0 Pro -- 5 cds Libranet 2.8.1 -- 2 cds Mepis 2003.10 -- 2 cds SOT 2002 single cd Xandros 1.0 single cd Please note that the Suse cds are copies(bought on ebay) and the Mepis is a downloaded copy. The Libranet is also a downloaded copy, so none are boxed sets just the cds folks! The Xandros and SOT are the distributed cds and are distro releases. Yeh, I know -- big whoopie, but Im gonna bring them anyway. If no-one takes them the library trash bin will be the designated receptor :) If anyone coming to the Dunedin meeting has any mac stuff G3 or better and wants to swap/sell please let me know(offlist) and I will bring PC and some iMacs with me for trade/sale only if emailed with a possible sale/trade otherwise --the cds are it A J ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 15:01:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJ1GiQ002283 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:01:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PJ1G9A002282 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:01:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJ1FFQ002278 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:01:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJ1FOq024318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:01:15 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJ0mS5006166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:00:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 31326 invoked from network); 25 May 2005 19:00:43 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 25 May 2005 19:00:43 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B308C12535C; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:53:27 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Subversion Question Message-ID: <20050525185327.GI30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.883, required 6, AWL -0.46, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: I've got a project called "mlt" under /home/paulf/src/mlt, and under the management of subversion. I've made a bunch of changes, and want to commit all the changes. I get an error I've gotten often before, and never figured out why. In /home/paulf/src/mlt, I issued this command: svn ci or svn ci mlt The commit failed, with messages including the following: svn: Commit failed (details follow): svn: File not found: transaction 'e', path '/mlt/CHANGES' It's that "file not found" part. The file's there, and the repository is found by svn, near as I can tell. I don't understand the problem, nor can I find an answer when I google for "svn: File not found". Any ideas? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 15:23:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJNd4g002466 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:23:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PJNc7f002465 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:23:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJNcdD002461 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:23:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJNctr025088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:23:38 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJNHEx009428 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:23:18 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so90353rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rqKT+N7PBt7pYc3+Ib4uDEt/HW72NHmqm/9VrQRJ7TVRZim2iiPf303epWppNEcqRLguKgUo1cJUL9Ob2EXzVhCaKDIb/fA4H2EFf1bbLPeYLM6AzQCw26F/s0DrqJ9bgDnfK9yjPkX+OFRcqw/QThVyyRCL4a0w1yu/gBM2iLA= Received: by 10.38.101.9 with SMTP id y9mr262158rnb; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:23:17 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subversion Question In-Reply-To: <20050525185327.GI30362@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050525185327.GI30362@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.58, required 6, AWL -1.23, BAYES_20 -1.43, TW_SV 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4PJNcdD002462 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > I've got a project called "mlt" under /home/paulf/src/mlt, and under the > management of subversion. I've made a bunch of changes, and want to > commit all the changes. I get an error I've gotten often before, and > never figured out why. In /home/paulf/src/mlt, I issued this command: > > svn ci > > or > > svn ci mlt > > The commit failed, with messages including the following: > > svn: Commit failed (details follow): > svn: File not found: transaction 'e', path '/mlt/CHANGES' > > It's that "file not found" part. The file's there, and the repository is > found by svn, near as I can tell. I don't understand the problem, nor > can I find an answer when I google for "svn: File not found". Any ideas? > Chances are you changed some properties (svn propset). do a svn update and then try commiting. It should work. By the way, are you usinf fsfs? it's much less error-prone... -- "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 15:43:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJhcxV002603 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:43:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PJhcuW002602 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:43:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJhc3D002598 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:43:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJhbYG026008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:43:37 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJh8qg028543 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:43:08 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so92352rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:43:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HEOVURNWsGmbBwTX0/RXgw+MjqmR8N5uufH29sE5pZ3drEGkLAaMDRnLu22Qt7coml8lebdUifppBqAr/rhcUZJwE/YXo+r/xzsy0ckEikITfXZM1tZ0E7OzSkWFuYui30Sb3hq2gSBxACO3J2Xkof+psps/7yLseIzE7cPyZfw= Received: by 10.39.3.56 with SMTP id f56mr268222rni; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:43:08 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] #Slug.fl stats, and Towel Day. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.268, required 6, AWL 0.63, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4PJhc3D002599 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've put together a little stats page for #slug.fl, so people that don't visit can see a statistical view of how active and pleasant it is. http://hardison.net/slug/stats/slug-fl.html Also, remember today is Towel Day. http://www.towelday.kojv.net/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 15:58:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJwx88002683 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:58:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4PJwxuf002682 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:58:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJww5N002678 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:58:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJwwdS026654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:58:58 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.202]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4PJwbIL030799 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:58:37 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so103809rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:58:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hPCI77xcPJGGfogO3hIwsYrGkIEzoj68/m9trXzXdery1FXOCBsXylCE+WEsQTUl+1AAhk7QRFqzU+qQZprcMxyaJrUxrGZvmAM62BJAXTSrnEaNUFF6ga8W9h4I1Dvxtt9cGjKrtdnWEnh7BDhjXuHfX4xpoNkH69adpDQRjEE= Received: by 10.11.94.42 with SMTP id r42mr60442cwb; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.94.53 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd050525125818f68b40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:58:36 -0400 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? In-Reply-To: <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2531_7074524.1117051116872" References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.834, required 6, AWL -1.93, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2531_7074524.1117051116872 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline thanks for the links On 5/25/05, Nicholas Finzer wrote:=20 >=20 > You might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and=20 > refurb systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff is IB= M.=20 > www.itxchange.com >=20 > here's one I noticed: > ThinkCentre A30 - Celeron 2.2GHz/128KB, 400MHz, 256MB, 80GB, No FDD, 52X= =20 > CD ROM, PCI Tower (4x4), Intel Extreme Graphics, Intel 10/100 Ethernet, N= o=20 > O/S >=20 > $278 >=20 > You can get a system for less than $200 for a P3.. I just quickly looked= =20 > at their listings, but they have a lot of different stuff. >=20 > Just a thought.=20 >=20 >=20 > On 5/25/05, Daniel Jarboe wrote:=20 > >=20 > > I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium Pro= =20 > > system, and am currently looking at isorm (http://www.isorm.com/product= _info.php?cPath=3D21&products_id=3D197 minus=20 > > $90 for no OS =3D $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. > > Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any= =20 > > other local tampa stores instead? > > Thanks, > > ~ Daniel > >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_2531_7074524.1117051116872 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline thanks for the links

On 5/25/05, = Nicholas Finzer <nfinzer@gmail.= com> wrote:
You might want to try IT Xchange= , a local company that sells new and refurb systems cheap. They have good d= eals and a lot of their stuff is IBM.=20 www.itxchange.com

here's o= ne I noticed:
ThinkCentre A30 - Celeron 2.2GHz/128KB, 400MHz, 256MB, 80G= B, No FDD, 52X CD ROM, PCI Tower (4x4), Intel Extreme Graphics, Intel 10/10= 0 Ethernet, No O/S

$278

You can get a system for less than $200 for a P3.. I ju= st quickly looked at their listings, but they have a lot of different stuff= .

Just a thought.=20
=

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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 20:52:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q0qTPc004685 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:52:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4Q0qTbA004684 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:52:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q0qSCi004680 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:52:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q0qSkX004014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:52:28 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q0qETg007538 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:52:15 -0400 Received: from pool-24.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.204] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11d10/96) id 2RIU300 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 20:51:37 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:30:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505192300.02715.rnr@sanctum.com> <200505250132.34895.rnr@sanctum.com> <1117024806.429472263aea0@webmail.hogston.com> In-Reply-To: <1117024806.429472263aea0@webmail.hogston.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505251630.18851.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.955, required 6, AWL 0.53, BAYES_00 -4.90, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 25 May 2005 08:40, sean@hogston.com wrote: > Quoting Bob Stia : > > On Tuesday 24 May 2005 01:19, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 11:00:02PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > > > > > What is wrong with this script?? > > ........................ > > > > echo Converting $i... with $CONVERT_OPTIONS > > > > convert $CONVERT_OPTIONS $FROM_DIR/$i > > > > $TO_DIR/${i%%$FROM}$TO echo > > > > fi > > > > > > > > done; > > > > > > > > exit; > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > ..................... > > Sean, running SuSE 9.2 Pro. Yes, my convert is at /usr/bin/convert > > also. > > > ok I have one last thing to try and then i'm out of suggestions. for > the convert line change it to be /usr/bin/convert instead of just > convert. I suggest this only because it is using /bin/sh and MAYBE > when the script is running it does not find the convert command. I > have noticed this in some of my scripts so I usually make it a habbit > to either put the full path to the command or set it as a variable. > Sean Sean, OK, added /usr/bin/ in front of the convert line. Didn't help. Still the same errors. Thanks for trying to help. If you can think of anything else I am all ears. Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 21:28:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q1SJnE004977 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:28:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4Q1SJP2004976 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:28:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q1SIQ6004972 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:28:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q1SIeL005915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:28:18 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q1S95j013442 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:28:09 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4Q1S7b7023638 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash script In-Reply-To: <200505251630.18851.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Wednesday 25 May 2005 08:40, sean@hogston.com wrote: > > > > > ok I have one last thing to try and then i'm out of suggestions. for > > the convert line change it to be /usr/bin/convert instead of just > > convert. I suggest this only because it is using /bin/sh and MAYBE > > when the script is running it does not find the convert command. I > > have noticed this in some of my scripts so I usually make it a habbit > > to either put the full path to the command or set it as a variable. > > OK, added /usr/bin/ in front of the convert line. Didn't help. Still > the same errors. Thanks for trying to help. If you can think of > anything else I am all ears. Put "set -x"/"set +x" above and below the call to "convert" to see what it's _really_ calling, how it's being called, and when the errors occur. Then, adjust your response depending on what it says. If it were not able to find "convert" (which adding "/usr/bin/" would fix) then the error would be something about "command not found". -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar And we never failed to fail / It was the easiest thing to do -- CSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 25 22:30:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q2Ur22005399 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:30:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4Q2UrrH005398 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:30:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q2UqRw005394 for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:30:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q2Uqe1008151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:30:52 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q2UdVw015700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:30:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 14426 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 02:30:39 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 02:30:38 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9627512535B; Wed, 25 May 2005 22:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 22:19:55 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subversion Question Message-ID: <20050526021955.GJ30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20050525185327.GI30362@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.09, required 6, AWL 0.73, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_SV 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 03:23:17PM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > Folks: > > > > I've got a project called "mlt" under /home/paulf/src/mlt, and under the > > management of subversion. I've made a bunch of changes, and want to > > commit all the changes. I get an error I've gotten often before, and > > never figured out why. In /home/paulf/src/mlt, I issued this command: > > > > svn ci > > > > or > > > > svn ci mlt > > > > The commit failed, with messages including the following: > > > > svn: Commit failed (details follow): > > svn: File not found: transaction 'e', path '/mlt/CHANGES' > > > > It's that "file not found" part. The file's there, and the repository is > > found by svn, near as I can tell. I don't understand the problem, nor > > can I find an answer when I google for "svn: File not found". Any ideas? > > > > Chances are you changed some properties (svn propset). > do a svn update and then try commiting. It should work. And yet it doesn't. ;-} > > By the way, are you usinf fsfs? it's much less error-prone... > I had to look this up. Don't know what difference it would make at this point, nor am I sure that this is the origin of the current problem. Anyway... Any more suggestions? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 00:39:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q4d1fg006290 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:39:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4Q4d16h006289 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:39:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q4d1V7006281 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:39:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q4d0b9013608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:39:01 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q4civs014661 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 00:38:44 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so127093rne for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AboI0sxdLd9am1cAmosxL2OB4CnlisJppYBgBid5VMMou9QFMNd6amKZbDQqBUAVAXwAPkavXP5BSxQEFbpjQkOB8P56EJI44Jszm7KtJI+7iM2zZLhCVNvAz5BBiZ4cDL71MUa+VZmfGE9k446KkJGyb8KbDGx4G7R91uSqBu8= Received: by 10.38.11.27 with SMTP id 27mr384537rnk; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 21:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:38:38 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subversion Question In-Reply-To: <20050526021955.GJ30362@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050525185327.GI30362@quillandmouse.com> <20050526021955.GJ30362@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.746, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_BD 0.08, TW_SV 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4Q4d1V7006282 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 03:23:17PM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > > On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > Folks: > > > > > > I've got a project called "mlt" under /home/paulf/src/mlt, and under the > > > management of subversion. I've made a bunch of changes, and want to > > > commit all the changes. I get an error I've gotten often before, and > > > never figured out why. In /home/paulf/src/mlt, I issued this command: > > > > > > svn ci > > > > > > or > > > > > > svn ci mlt > > > > > > The commit failed, with messages including the following: > > > > > > svn: Commit failed (details follow): > > > svn: File not found: transaction 'e', path '/mlt/CHANGES' > > > > > > It's that "file not found" part. The file's there, and the repository is > > > found by svn, near as I can tell. I don't understand the problem, nor > > > can I find an answer when I google for "svn: File not found". Any ideas? > > > > > > > Chances are you changed some properties (svn propset). > > do a svn update and then try commiting. It should work. > > And yet it doesn't. ;-} > > > > > By the way, are you usinf fsfs? it's much less error-prone... > > > > I had to look this up. Don't know what difference it would make at this > point, nor am I sure that this is the origin of the current problem. > Anyway... > > Any more suggestions? > Okay. it is possible the fsbdb subversion repository is borked. Try running svnadmin recover /path/to/repository Or, perhaps more likely, the problem is similar to the one described here: http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-08/0057.shtml -- "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened." -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 01:26:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5Q5Yi006634 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:26:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4Q5Q5As006633 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:26:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5Q5EX006629 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:26:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5Q4Hv015748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:26:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5PlaZ022519 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:25:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4Q5Pgd7003017 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42957025.8050309@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 02:43:49 -0400 From: Richard Smoot User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050218) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daniel Jarboe wrote: > I'm about to buy a budget/value desktop to replace a flakey Pentium > Pro system, and am currently looking at isorm > (http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=197 > minus > $90 for no OS = $299) which is located on N Florida by Bearss. > > Does anyone have any good/bad experience with isorm, or recommend any > other local tampa stores instead? > > Thanks, > ~ Daniel I don't have any experiance with them. Mega Micro Computers on Bloomingdale south of Brandon has also offered to sell me computers without the OS. I think for $100 dollars off their asking price. They are in the little strip mall with Big Lots. I have been dealing with them for several years without any problems. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 01:28:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5SDgj006655 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:28:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4Q5SDG4006653 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:28:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5SCSh006649 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:28:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5SCpL015813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:28:12 -0400 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4Q5RqEu013382 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:27:52 -0400 Received: from VegetableBlood@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id 4.e8.14107ba4 (16035) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.143.100.95] (ac8f645f.ipt.aol.com [172.143.100.95]) by air-id10.mx.aol.com (vx) with ESMTP id MAILINID102-3ea342955e4c309; Thu, 26 May 2005 01:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <42955C35.60806@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 01:18:45 -0400 From: Possum User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] Dunedin meeting References: <200505251445.26872.ulmerton@tampadsl.net> In-Reply-To: <200505251445.26872.ulmerton@tampadsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 172.143.100.95 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=6.027, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, J_CHICKENPOX_66 0.60, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_NJABL 0.10, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DIALUP 3.54, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ulmerton@tampadsl.net wrote: >Hello out there in SLUG land. >i will be bringing to the Dunedin meeting various install >disks. I dont want to can them and have no intention of >using them so I will give them to anyone that wants. >The list: >Suse 9.2 Pro -- 5 cds >Suse 9.1 Pro -- 5 cds >Suse 9.0 Pro -- 5 cds >Libranet 2.8.1 -- 2 cds >Mepis 2003.10 -- 2 cds >SOT 2002 single cd >Xandros 1.0 single cd > >Please note that the Suse cds are copies(bought on ebay) >and the Mepis is a downloaded copy. The Libranet is also a >downloaded copy, so none are boxed sets just the cds folks! >The Xandros and SOT are the distributed cds and are distro >releases. > >Yeh, I know -- big whoopie, but Im gonna bring them anyway. >If no-one takes them the library trash bin will be the >designated receptor :) > >If anyone coming to the Dunedin meeting has any mac stuff G3 >or better and wants to swap/sell please let me >know(offlist) and I will bring PC and some iMacs with me >for trade/sale only if emailed with a possible sale/trade >otherwise --the cds are it > >A J >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employee. > > SuSE 9.2 Pro? I'm running the FTP version. Is Pro much better? Also, I've compiled from source a bunch of software that appeared faulty from the FTP version (Qt, Zlib, etc). Would upgrading interfere with any of that (Please note it took hours for a n00b like me to get everything running how I wanted it to.)? Or should I just leave the FTP installation on here? Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 06:16:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QAGVTj008752 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:16:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QAGV2T008751 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:16:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QAGU5B008747 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:16:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QAGUE7028195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:16:30 -0400 Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QAGHec001034 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:16:17 -0400 Received: from [24.144.76.12] (helo=earthlink.net) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DbFPQ-0002Am-Fl for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:16:12 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; h=Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SPI3b26O4h42jOiRXu2S2cMzn6zG0vQ3LXgCdYmUrsRPALiEurbimoS+lWpdOJTL; Message-ID: <4295A1EB.30903@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:16:11 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030703 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26092970baf65b0329b40d10b8e4ef42f9d8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.12 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.698, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Nicholas Finzer wrote: > You might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and refurb > systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff is IBM. > www.itxchange.com Local? Their corporate headquarters is in Ontario Canada and they have "Sales and Distribution Centers" in North Carolina and the UK. (http://www.itxchange.com/itxchange/OnlineHelpPages/help_contact_detail.asp) But their prices for laptops are interesting. Anyone else have any experience with this company? -- Mark Polhamus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 08:40:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QCex4x009743 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QCexNV009742 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QCewCf009738 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QCewm3001745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:58 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QCeYx0001010 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:34 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1251755wra for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UJ3LdA5+m6MMJDpQSz8pTvqi+t8fs4U576nQLrY5hFSRRIS8/zokDqRIkJVUURUMWM6Z6E6iMPaVSRccfv0mB2SOWsgw4gdvemI+C1ASW7w4aMw1IbEirmgCUS52TzQ1jPP7Ztzax9n6v8APokaNk7wYqOQAbvdy2kFdqQnt1UA= Received: by 10.54.34.77 with SMTP id h77mr1865656wrh; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.95.17 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 05:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88f827b6050526054073a5c9cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 08:40:33 -0400 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dunedin meeting In-Reply-To: <200505251445.26872.ulmerton@tampadsl.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200505251445.26872.ulmerton@tampadsl.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.124, required 6, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_66 0.60, TW_CC 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4QCewCf009739 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/25/05, A2L1 wrote: > Hello out there in SLUG land. > i will be bringing to the Dunedin meeting various install > disks. I dont want to can them and have no intention of > using them so I will give them to anyone that wants. > The list: > Suse 9.2 Pro -- 5 cds > Suse 9.1 Pro -- 5 cds > Suse 9.0 Pro -- 5 cds > Libranet 2.8.1 -- 2 cds > Mepis 2003.10 -- 2 cds > SOT 2002 single cd > Xandros 1.0 single cd > > Please note that the Suse cds are copies(bought on ebay) > and the Mepis is a downloaded copy. The Libranet is also a > downloaded copy, so none are boxed sets just the cds folks! > The Xandros and SOT are the distributed cds and are distro > releases. > > Yeh, I know -- big whoopie, but Im gonna bring them anyway. > If no-one takes them the library trash bin will be the > designated receptor :) > > If anyone coming to the Dunedin meeting has any mac stuff G3 > or better and wants to swap/sell please let me > know(offlist) and I will bring PC and some iMacs with me > for trade/sale only if emailed with a possible sale/trade > otherwise --the cds are it > > A J > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > I have an old Mac G3 desktop running OS9 (haven't turned it on since I accquired it so I don't remember which version). I would be willing to trade up if something caught my eye (you mentioned an iMac?) You can contact me off list if this is something that you interested in. If so I can make arrangements to get to the meeting. Cheers, Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 09:02:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QD2BEn009882 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:02:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QD2BmK009881 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:02:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QD2BkQ009877 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:02:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QD2Aju002373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:02:10 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QD1ri4025443 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:01:53 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1259814wra for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:01:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gouAYHxsfc4kn4LPDtRLpi+KDt4eTu5kLo6KGHrIIYF7/XhZ9jn9QgOW0tGxLv3yIjfAOg6kFBKaw+jkPxDUAPMaP2OBBaR56bSC2DoXQidqtcBtSECRhuwfrqBiAfnCmVHHm1+f9M/N5JmPrRh825bySl+QP+6kQUZMipNl3pM= Received: by 10.54.148.12 with SMTP id v12mr1876240wrd; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.95.17 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88f827b605052606016ea59403@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:01:52 -0400 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? In-Reply-To: <125d27dd050525114324261b71@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd050525114324261b71@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4QD2BkQ009878 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/25/05, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > Thanks for the feedback Eben. The system it is replacing was originally > purchased in 1996, and is a bit of a frankenstein. I'm much more of a > software guy than a hardware guy and to be honest I wasn't sure if the new > components would all fit together the same with the old pieces/case. > > Just a quick rundown, the original power-supply blew up a few years ago, and > I got an equivalent used for $2 on ebay which has held up since so far. > Also dead is the original cpu fan and cdrom, and lately it's been taking > weird and unpredictable i/o errors on different optical devices and > hard-drives that no amount of juggling master/slave and using different ata > ribbon cables has been able to remedy. The case has been, well, "shortened" > in order to fit into a tight space. I plan to scavenge what I can from it > (soundcard, 10/100 ethernet cards, etc), but it's time for a replacement :). > > After a day or two of looking around this place seems to be fairly > competitive with net-only stores (though their quote to upgrade from 256MB > to 512MB is priced too high, they are offering it for free as of 4 days ago > if you ask for it > http://forums.isorm.com/viewtopic.php?t=4). I was just > checking to make sure that nobody knew of any much better deals or places or > had any reasons to avoid these guys. I do value the warranty and it being > local, and it seems competitively priced. Thanks for your help and > suggestions! > > ~ Daniel > Daniel, Just wondering, but I am a curious fellow. Sans large power tools or perhaps the Jaws of Life, how exactly does one "shorten" a PC case. Inquiring minds want to know! Good luck on the hunt for a new system. I would recommend buying the parts on line (newegg.com is good) and putting them together myself, but you stated that you weren't a hardware guy (I can respect that) and I like tinkering with that stuff. Trust your instinct and you probably won't go wrong. Eric ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 09:46:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QDkx9c010217 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:46:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QDkxAv010216 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:46:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QDkwbH010212 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:46:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QDkwEs003691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:46:58 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QDkaDs008155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:46:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 32540 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 13:46:36 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 13:46:36 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 89A5912535B; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:35:17 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subversion Question Message-ID: <20050526133517.GL30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20050525185327.GI30362@quillandmouse.com> <20050526021955.GJ30362@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.073, required 6, AWL 0.67, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_BD 0.08, TW_SV 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:38:38AM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 03:23:17PM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > > > > On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > I've got a project called "mlt" under /home/paulf/src/mlt, and > under the > > > > management of subversion. I've made a bunch of changes, and want to > > > > commit all the changes. I get an error I've gotten often before, and > > > > never figured out why. In /home/paulf/src/mlt, I issued this command: > > > > > > > > svn ci > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > svn ci mlt > > > > > > > > The commit failed, with messages including the following: > > > > > > > > svn: Commit failed (details follow): > > > > svn: File not found: transaction 'e', path '/mlt/CHANGES' > > > > > > > > It's that "file not found" part. The file's there, and the > repository is > > > > found by svn, near as I can tell. I don't understand the problem, nor > > > > can I find an answer when I google for "svn: File not found". Any > ideas? > > > > > > > > > > Chances are you changed some properties (svn propset). > > > do a svn update and then try commiting. It should work. > > > > And yet it doesn't. ;-} > > > > > > > > By the way, are you usinf fsfs? it's much less error-prone... > > > > > > > I had to look this up. Don't know what difference it would make at this > > point, nor am I sure that this is the origin of the current problem. > > Anyway... > > > > Any more suggestions? > > > Okay. it is possible the fsbdb subversion repository is borked. > Try running svnadmin recover /path/to/repository And this gets: svn: Expected version '3' of repository; found version '4' > Or, perhaps more likely, the problem is similar to the one described here: > http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-08/0057.shtml Waaaayy too much trouble to go through all that, trying to figure out what subversion has done and trick it into doing the right thing. This is why I stopped using subversion about a year ago. (I came back to it because CVS sucks, and Arch creates files-with-stupid-long-filenames-that-have-weird-stuff-in-them.) I'm not that keen on Berkeley DB files, particularly when they can't be used on a LAN interface. Thanks for the suggestion on fsfs. I think it's probably best to obliterate the whole thing and restart it with fsfs. This isn't earth-shattering software I'm doing, and I'm the only one working on it. So if I lose history, the world won't end. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 11:17:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFHVJe010835 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:17:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QFHVmw010834 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:17:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFHVlr010830 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:17:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFHUwE006632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:17:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFHAW3011625 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:17:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (2416422hfc135.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.164.22.135]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4QFH4Eg027574 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4295E9B3.3030809@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:22:27 -0400 From: Branko User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, looking at the specs of the 'puter at the site (http://www.isorm.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=197) and pricing the parts (HD, DVD player /CD burner and keyb/mouse models not being specified, so I selected something similar in mid price range), not including the case/PSU and monitor, you can buy everything at NewEgg.com for about $260.00 including shipping (and that's with 512MB RAM). As far as the warranty goes, keep in mind that if anything goes wrong, you have to take the whole "box" back to the shop and wait for the repair/replacement. I like to build my own from parts, because if something goes wrong, I can send/take in only the defective part to get it fixed/replaced, and usually, as probably most folks on this list, have another one laying around to replace it with for time being. And putting a 'puter together is not really that big of a task anymore. Plus you get the good feeling of accomplishment (bragging rights come with that, too) when you "touch" everything that's inside the box. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents in. ./Branko ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 11:37:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFbk1J010975 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:37:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QFbkbP010974 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:37:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFbkjA010970 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:37:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFbiCO007398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:37:45 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QFbQvP019300 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:37:27 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id c51so196073rne for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:37:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nwZ+ZlJI8+2938E5YFGdWCl8se9iRmTRRl10SlOQ5zKzNqySiwk7Z2eQvtUApXN1GBuT7hSiASVWjG0u5KGlm4Dcjd5TaC55lRU6nbhQ2hnhyoTnFk0j1ZFW32qr5O3szFbgr5XfaUZNoEfClPHe9ge8gYMzrCoHjYzqwip1cxM= Received: by 10.11.118.76 with SMTP id q76mr3253cwc; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.94.53 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 08:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd05052608377602119c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:37:26 -0400 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? In-Reply-To: <88f827b605052606016ea59403@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_214_26983778.1117121846447" References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd050525114324261b71@mail.gmail.com> <88f827b605052606016ea59403@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.96, required 6, AWL -2.86, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_214_26983778.1117121846447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I ended up buying it last night. $299 but got the added bonus of a floppy= =20 drive (though not sure I will ever use it?), and they took out the generic= =20 256MB DDR memory bank and put in a Kingston 512MB DDR bank w/ lifetime=20 warranty. I found out later that the free memory upgrade was supposed to be= =20 on purchases of $399 or more, but either the guy didn't know or didn't care= =20 (I didn't realize until later), and gave it to me. Just to make sure things= =20 were working I did a quick ubuntu install last night, and will probably do= =20 FC3 or FC4test3 if I have more time today. One thing I did notice was no=20 sound with the ubuntu so that may take some looking into (I do have the=20 soundcard from the previous one if I need it). > how exactly does one "shorten" a PC case The "shortening" of the older system's case was a q&d thing which I=20 wouldn't recommend if you like anything about the case :). This one needed= =20 to fit inside the cabinet of a desk (had ventilation). The outer plastic=20 came off, then I used a cobalt bit I had to hollow out the pop rivets that= =20 connected the "roof" to the sides and back of the case. From there it was= =20 pliers to bend the sides and back of the case until it weakened to break=20 off. The case was made in such a way that the power supply rested on a shel= f=20 of sorts in the middle, low enough that it didn't get in the way. The walls= =20 of the case were flimsy enough that it was very easy to bend the sides, and= =20 not too much effort for the back of the frame. The top had been mostly empt= y=20 space for internal 5.25" drives. I thought I might have to deal with jagged= =20 edges, but they ended up with a bit of a curl and weren't a problem. I=20 connected the LED's back to the front of the frame and called it done.=20 Again, I didn't care about the case at this point, I just wanted it to fit= =20 as cheaply as possible ;). I started looking at newegg first, but this was fast and local with 1 year= =20 labor/parts warranty and I could see I wasn't missing anything and in the= =20 end just seemed a bargain. Thanks all, ~ Daniel On 5/26/05, Mavrick wrote:=20 >=20 > On 5/25/05, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback Eben. The system it is replacing was originally > > purchased in 1996, and is a bit of a frankenstein. I'm much more of a > > software guy than a hardware guy and to be honest I wasn't sure if the= =20 > new > > components would all fit together the same with the old pieces/case. > > > > Just a quick rundown, the original power-supply blew up a few years ago= ,=20 > and > > I got an equivalent used for $2 on ebay which has held up since so far. > > Also dead is the original cpu fan and cdrom, and lately it's been takin= g > > weird and unpredictable i/o errors on different optical devices and > > hard-drives that no amount of juggling master/slave and using different= =20 > ata > > ribbon cables has been able to remedy. The case has been, well,=20 > "shortened" > > in order to fit into a tight space. I plan to scavenge what I can from= =20 > it > > (soundcard, 10/100 ethernet cards, etc), but it's time for a replacemen= t=20 > :). > > > > After a day or two of looking around this place seems to be fairly > > competitive with net-only stores (though their quote to upgrade from=20 > 256MB > > to 512MB is priced too high, they are offering it for free as of 4 days= =20 > ago > > if you ask for it > > http://forums.isorm.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D4). I was just > > checking to make sure that nobody knew of any much better deals or=20 > places or > > had any reasons to avoid these guys. I do value the warranty and it=20 > being > > local, and it seems competitively priced. Thanks for your help and > > suggestions! > > > > ~ Daniel > > >=20 > Daniel, >=20 > Just wondering, but I am a curious fellow. Sans large power tools or > perhaps the Jaws of Life, how exactly does one "shorten" a PC case. > Inquiring minds want to know! >=20 > Good luck on the hunt for a new system. I would recommend buying the > parts on line (newegg.com is good) and putting them= =20 > together myself, > but you stated that you weren't a hardware guy (I can respect that) > and I like tinkering with that stuff. Trust your instinct and you > probably won't go wrong. >=20 > Eric >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_214_26983778.1117121846447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I ended up buying it last night.  $299 but got the added bonus of= a floppy drive (though not sure I will ever use it?), and they took out th= e generic 256MB DDR memory bank and put in a Kingston 512MB DDR bank w/ lif= etime warranty.  I found out later that the free memory upgrade was su= pposed to be on purchases of $399 or more, but either the guy didn't know o= r didn't care (I didn't realize until later), and gave it to me.  Just= to make sure things were working I did a quick ubuntu install last night, = and will probably do FC3 or FC4test3 if I have more time today.  = One thing I did notice was no sound with the ubuntu so that may take some l= ooking into (I do have the soundcard from the previous one if I need it).
 
> how exactly does one "shorten" a PC case
 
The "shortening" of the older system's case was a = q&d thing which I wouldn't recommend if you like anything about the cas= e :).  This one needed to fit inside the cabinet of a desk (had ventil= ation).  The outer plastic came off, then I used a cobalt bit I had to= hollow out the pop rivets that connected the "roof" to the sides= and back of the case.  From there it was pliers to bend the sides and= back of the case until it weakened to break off.  The case = was made in such a way that the power supply rested on a shelf of sorts in = the middle, low enough that it didn't get in the way.  The walls of th= e case were flimsy enough that it was very easy to bend the sides, and= not too much effort for the back of the frame.  The top had= been mostly empty space for internal=20 5.25" drives.  I thought I might have to deal with jagged edges, = but they ended up with a bit of a curl and weren't a problem.  I = connected the LED's back to the front of the frame and called it done. = ; Again, I didn't care about the case at this point, I just wanted it to fi= t as cheaply as possible ;).
 
I started looking at newegg first, but this was fast and local with 1 = year labor/parts warranty and I could see I wasn't missing anything and in = the end just seemed a bargain.
 
Thanks all,
~ Daniel
 
On 5/26/05, = Mavrick <icebergwaltz@gmai= l.com> wrote:
On 5/25/05, Daniel Jarboe <daniel.jarboe@gmail.com> wr= ote:
> Thanks for the feedback Eben.  The system it is replacin= g was originally
> purchased in 1996, and is a bit of a frankenstein.=   I'm much more of a
> software guy than a hardware guy and= to be honest I wasn't sure if the new
> components would all fit together the same with the old pieces/cas= e.
>
> Just a quick rundown, the original power-supply blew up = a few years ago, and
> I got an equivalent used for $2 on ebay which = has held up since so far.
> Also dead is the original cpu fan and cdrom, and lately it's been = taking
> weird and unpredictable i/o errors on different optical devi= ces and
> hard-drives that no amount of juggling master/slave and usi= ng different ata
> ribbon cables has been able to remedy.  The case has bee= n, well, "shortened"
> in order to fit into a tight space.&= nbsp; I plan to scavenge what I can from it
> (soundcard, 10/100= ethernet cards, etc), but it's time for a replacement :).
>
> After a day or two of looking around this place seems to b= e fairly
> competitive with net-only stores (though their quote to up= grade from 256MB
> to 512MB is priced too high, they are offering it = for free as of 4 days ago
> if you ask for it
> http://forums.isorm.com/viewtopic.php?t=3D4). &nb= sp;I was just
> checking to make sure that nobody knew of any much be= tter deals or places or
> had any reasons to avoid these guys.  I do value the war= ranty and it being
> local, and it seems competitively priced. &= nbsp;Thanks for your help and
> suggestions!
>
> ~ Daniel=
>

Daniel,

Just wondering, but I am a curious fellow.  Sans l= arge power tools or
perhaps the Jaws of Life, how exactly does one "= ;shorten" a PC case.
Inquiring minds want to know!

Good luck= on the hunt for a new system.  I would recommend buying the
parts on line (newegg.com is good) an= d putting them together myself,
but you stated that you weren't a hardwa= re guy (I can respect that)
and I like tinkering with that stuff. Trust = your instinct and you
probably won't go wrong.

Eric

---------------------------= --------------------------------------------
This list is provided as an= unmoderated internet service by Networked
Knowledge Systems (NKS). = ; Views and opinions expressed in messages
posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the
of= ficial policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.
<= /div>
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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 12:11:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGB0wC011175 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:11:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QGB0rA011174 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:11:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGAxt7011170 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:10:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGAx7A008633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:10:59 -0400 Received: from mail.hallock.net (mail.hallock.net [207.54.169.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGAiXD022862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:10:45 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [70.110.67.97] (account macyh HELO [192.168.1.36]) by mail.hallock.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 97333 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:11:36 -0400 Message-ID: <4295F4ED.1010305@hallock.net> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:10:21 -0400 From: Macy1 Hallock User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Was: isorm Now: IBM reseller offering References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> <4295A1EB.30903@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4295A1EB.30903@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.451, required 6, AWL -2.80, BAYES_44 -0.00, NO_EXPERIENCE 1.35) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mark Polhamus wrote: > Nicholas Finzer wrote: > >> You might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and >> refurb systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff >> is IBM. www.itxchange.com > > > Local? Their corporate headquarters is in Ontario Canada and they > have "Sales and Distribution Centers" in North Carolina and the UK. > (http://www.itxchange.com/itxchange/OnlineHelpPages/help_contact_detail.asp) > > > But their prices for laptops are interesting. Anyone else have any > experience with this company? No experience, but they appear to fit the model of most IBM commericial resellers/refurbishers/brokers. I wouldn't be afraid of them. The current specials list an R40 model with 1.8ghz Celeron 20gb HD 256mb RAM 15" XGA (1024x768) and internal 802.11b for $625 (This R40 includes XP Pro plus intel 10/100 ethernet port, internal 56k winmodem and CD) I know the IBM Thinkpad R40 series quite well, it's a midsize/midweight notebook. IMO this is not a bad deal on a well built notebook, as long you pay by credit card, so you have complete recourse if they do not ship or it is DOA. I'd upgrade the memory, and possibly add a CDRW, and R40 accessories are readily availble item on Ebay. Yes, you can buy an R40 that's a bit faster for slightly less money on Ebay, but you'd have less recourse. I've bought many Thinkpads on Ebay with no problems, however I'm an experienced IBM VAR and Ebay buyer/seller. Also: This vendors A30 desktop refurb specials are also worthwhile and A30's are solid desktops in my experience. I've used many A30's for XP and Linux installations with good results. -- >>> Macy Hallock Hallock Consulting Lutz, FL + Medina, OH <<< Tel 813-632-2988 Cell 813-493-8899 Email macy1 (at) hallock.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 12:16:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGG77J011266 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:16:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QGG7Kg011265 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:16:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGG7wu011261 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:16:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGG5Dv008937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:16:05 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGFfOO027464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:15:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 26743 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 16:15:41 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 16:15:41 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BD79D12535B; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:08:41 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Subversion Question #2 Message-ID: <20050526160841.GM30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.13, required 6, AWL 0.69, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_SV 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Next thing on subversion. I just killed the central subversion repository and created a new one with: svnadmin create --fs-type fsfs /home/paulf/svn So now, I'm going around importing projects. Like this: cd /home/paulf/src svn import payroll file:///home/paulf/svn/payroll All appears to go okay. So I kill the payroll directory and: cd /home/paulf/src svn checkout file:///home/paulf/svn/payroll payroll And a copy checks out as expected. Everything okay. According to the Svnbook, I would expect the svn repository to have subdirectories for each project. But they're not there. Even if I make these subdirectories myself (manually), nothing goes in there. Moreover, when I import and checkout the projects, each successive project gets an incremented project number, one series for all projects. Instead of a separate series of revision numbers for each project. In fact, in looking through all the files in the repository, I don't see a single file that even contains the names of my projects inside. I'm still reading the Svnbook, but if anyone has an answer to why this is, please let me know. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 12:34:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGYCDV011403 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:34:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QGYCfI011402 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:34:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGYCST011398 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:34:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGYB9S009770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:34:12 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGXseK001135 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:33:54 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so183378rne for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ws8GOO7iWmn1orJYrRCjqB99TzQb20Cep1HCDoOjL534x++LUoPAs1b0q6jNbYaJOQ0YBSp7rEooyyvkyhWbv/La+n9gzpTUUDQLKSIFZ0c9k58S47Mj5wdaVW1KL8IewX7kGFlF5faCawRIzxPGC/bnlvHBw/zUKLZq3qunzk4= Received: by 10.38.101.64 with SMTP id y64mr561824rnb; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:33:51 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subversion Question In-Reply-To: <20050526133517.GL30362@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050525185327.GI30362@quillandmouse.com> <20050526021955.GJ30362@quillandmouse.com> <20050526133517.GL30362@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.267, required 6, AWL 0.48, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_BD 0.08, TW_SV 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4QGYCST011399 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/26/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:38:38AM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > > On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Wed, May 25, 2005 at 03:23:17PM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > > > > > > On 5/25/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > Folks: > > > > > > > > > > I've got a project called "mlt" under /home/paulf/src/mlt, and > > under the > > > > > management of subversion. I've made a bunch of changes, and want to > > > > > commit all the changes. I get an error I've gotten often before, and > > > > > never figured out why. In /home/paulf/src/mlt, I issued this command: > > > > > > > > > > svn ci > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > svn ci mlt > > > > > > > > > > The commit failed, with messages including the following: > > > > > > > > > > svn: Commit failed (details follow): > > > > > svn: File not found: transaction 'e', path '/mlt/CHANGES' > > > > > > > > > > It's that "file not found" part. The file's there, and the > > repository is > > > > > found by svn, near as I can tell. I don't understand the problem, nor > > > > > can I find an answer when I google for "svn: File not found". Any > > ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chances are you changed some properties (svn propset). > > > > do a svn update and then try commiting. It should work. > > > > > > And yet it doesn't. ;-} > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, are you usinf fsfs? it's much less error-prone... > > > > > > > > > > I had to look this up. Don't know what difference it would make at this > > > point, nor am I sure that this is the origin of the current problem. > > > Anyway... > > > > > > Any more suggestions? > > > > > Okay. it is possible the fsbdb subversion repository is borked. > > Try running svnadmin recover /path/to/repository > > And this gets: > > svn: Expected version '3' of repository; found version '4' > > > Or, perhaps more likely, the problem is similar to the one described here: > > http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-08/0057.shtml > > Waaaayy too much trouble to go through all that, trying to figure out > what subversion has done and trick it into doing the right thing. This > is why I stopped using subversion about a year ago. (I came back to it > because CVS sucks, and Arch creates > files-with-stupid-long-filenames-that-have-weird-stuff-in-them.) > > I'm not that keen on Berkeley DB files, particularly when they can't be > used on a LAN interface. Thanks for the suggestion on fsfs. I think it's > probably best to obliterate the whole thing and restart it with fsfs. > This isn't earth-shattering software I'm doing, and I'm the only one > working on it. So if I lose history, the world won't end. > Ahaha, you're using two different versions of subversion. You could still rescue it by dumping the repo, making a new one, and loading in the changes. That can be done with a single command... svnadmin create --fs-type fsfs newrepo svnadmin dump oldrepo | svnadmin load newrepo However that might not work because the version of the repository is older than what your svn programs want to use... But I think svnadmin dump might be more backward compatible for obvious reason. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 12:44:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGiID6011485 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:44:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QGiI9N011484 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:44:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGiIDb011480 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:44:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGiHkD010211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:44:17 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QGhpm5002486 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:43:52 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so184303rne for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K2ZtOGwni55kwzKwAdz3es4oFk3rwWx563yTHUc62FfuqYTFzk1Yueyuhufb9QP8/2s0bM9WVUQSaOI31ag7X99kPcnbHuABolV1bhHqnZAcdGSNAofUR9XI1gaAIHuJ3Y74Y595OXQ/P/P5GFR0OfGTFG9JSh3M+D2waj6EtRU= Received: by 10.38.89.40 with SMTP id m40mr564150rnb; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:43:51 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subversion Question #2 In-Reply-To: <20050526160841.GM30362@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050526160841.GM30362@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.292, required 6, AWL 0.53, BAYES_00 -4.90, TW_SV 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4QGiIDb011481 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/26/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > Next thing on subversion. I just killed the central subversion > repository and created a new one with: > > svnadmin create --fs-type fsfs /home/paulf/svn > > So now, I'm going around importing projects. Like this: > > cd /home/paulf/src > svn import payroll file:///home/paulf/svn/payroll > > All appears to go okay. So I kill the payroll directory and: > > cd /home/paulf/src > svn checkout file:///home/paulf/svn/payroll payroll > > And a copy checks out as expected. Everything okay. > > According to the Svnbook, I would expect the svn repository to have > subdirectories for each project. But they're not there. Even if I make > these subdirectories myself (manually), nothing goes in there. Moreover, > when I import and checkout the projects, each successive project gets an > incremented project number, one series for all projects. Instead of a > separate series of revision numbers for each project. In fact, in > looking through all the files in the repository, I don't see a single > file that even contains the names of my projects inside. > > I'm still reading the Svnbook, but if anyone has an answer to why this > is, please let me know. > If you read about fsfs, you'll see this is normal. Each of the those numbered files is the delta (change) between previous commits. You can't access those files without subversion. In short, you're not meant to monkey around in the subversion repository as if it were a normal set of directories and stuff. It's not. Essentially subversion is using the filesystem as a database (as opposed to the creeping horror of fsbdb). In one of my svn repos (actually an svk repo, but that's the same thing): % ls revs | wc -l 1042 And, lo and behold, I have 1042 revisions in there. One rev file per reversion, which contains all the changes between it and the last state of the file system. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 13:23:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHN8l3011776 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:23:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QHN8eG011775 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:23:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHN8PH011771 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:23:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHN7ZA011633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:23:07 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHMjUT008081 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:22:45 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so188128rne for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uO0zIPVclkTTAwgg5yI4l1P0EZzl1YTlwZmfewMzpQSkxj7bdKa6gdo/CorkyUy65dfWwSb/jGNovF8vVHyt4/EW3o8Cw2irkK65ELdTRTuwIiTvccbmi8iMgmTxqOv50ONKnBoRQeyelQ/vN2/UN40Y9/KqUBa/whn8R1W0WEo= Received: by 10.38.104.24 with SMTP id b24mr578336rnc; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b05052610224e36f90e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:22:45 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Was: isorm Now: IBM reseller offering In-Reply-To: <4295F4ED.1010305@hallock.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1194_2734192.1117128165438" References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> <4295A1EB.30903@earthlink.net> <4295F4ED.1010305@hallock.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.036, required 6, AWL -1.49, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, NO_EXPERIENCE 1.35) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1194_2734192.1117128165438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, I never looked into it, but I thought they were local since my friend= =20 in Largo works for them. Sorry about that. On 5/26/05, Macy1 Hallock wrote:=20 >=20 > Mark Polhamus wrote: >=20 > > Nicholas Finzer wrote: > > > >> You might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and > >> refurb systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff > >> is IBM. www.itxchange.com < > http://www.itxchange.com> > > > > > > Local? Their corporate headquarters is in Ontario Canada and they > > have "Sales and Distribution Centers" in North Carolina and the UK. > > ( > http://www.itxchange.com/itxchange/OnlineHelpPages/help_contact_detail.as= p > ) > > > > > > But their prices for laptops are interesting. Anyone else have any > > experience with this company? >=20 > No experience, but they appear to fit the model of most IBM commericial > resellers/refurbishers/brokers. I wouldn't be afraid of them. >=20 > The current specials list an R40 model with 1.8ghz Celeron 20gb HD 256mb > RAM 15" XGA (1024x768) and internal 802.11b for $625 > (This R40 includes XP Pro plus intel 10/100 ethernet port, internal 56k > winmodem and CD) >=20 > I know the IBM Thinkpad R40 series quite well, it's a midsize/midweight > notebook. > IMO this is not a bad deal on a well built notebook, as long you pay by > credit card, so you have complete recourse if they do not ship or it is= =20 > DOA. >=20 > I'd upgrade the memory, and possibly add a CDRW, and R40 accessories are > readily availble item on Ebay. >=20 > Yes, you can buy an R40 that's a bit faster for slightly less money on > Ebay, but you'd have less recourse. > I've bought many Thinkpads on Ebay with no problems, however I'm an > experienced IBM VAR and Ebay buyer/seller. >=20 > Also: This vendors A30 desktop refurb specials are also worthwhile and > A30's are solid desktops in my experience. > I've used many A30's for XP and Linux installations with good results. >=20 > -- > >>> Macy Hallock Hallock Consulting Lutz, FL + Medina, OH <<< > Tel 813-632-2988 Cell 813-493-8899 Email macy1 (at) hallock.net >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_1194_2734192.1117128165438 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Well, I never looked into it, but I thought they were local since my friend= in Largo works for them. Sorry about that.

On 5/26/05, = Macy1 Hallock <macy1@hallock.ne= t> wrote:
Mark Polhamus wrote:

>= Nicholas Finzer wrote:
>
>> You might want to try IT Xchang= e, a local company that sells new and
>> refurb systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their = stuff
>> is IBM. www.itxchang= e.com <http://www.itxchange.com >
>
>
> Local?  Their corporate headquar= ters is in Ontario Canada and they
> have "Sales and Distributio= n Centers" in North Carolina and the UK.
> ( http://www.itxchange.com/itxchange/OnlineHelpPages/help_contact_detail.asp<= /a>)
>
>
> But their prices for laptops are interesting.&= nbsp; Anyone else have any
> experience with this company?
No experience, but they appear to fit the model of most IBM commericial
resellers/refurbishers/brokers. I wouldn't be afraid of them.

Th= e current specials list an R40 model with 1.8ghz Celeron 20gb HD 256mb
R= AM 15" XGA (1024x768) and internal 802.11b for $625
(This R40 inclu= des XP Pro plus  intel 10/100 ethernet port, internal 56k
winmodem and CD)

I know the IBM Thinkpad R40 series quite well, = it's a midsize/midweight
notebook.
IMO this is not a bad deal on a we= ll built notebook, as long you pay by
credit card, so you have complete = recourse if they do not ship or it is DOA.

I'd upgrade the memory, and possibly add a CDRW, and R40 accessorie= s are
readily availble item on Ebay.

Yes, you can buy an R40 that= 's a bit faster for slightly less money on
Ebay, but you'd have less rec= ourse.
I've bought many Thinkpads on Ebay with no problems, however I'm an
= experienced IBM VAR and Ebay buyer/seller.

Also: This vendors A30 de= sktop refurb specials are also worthwhile and
A30's are solid desktops i= n my experience.
I've used many A30's for XP and Linux installations with good results.<= br>
--
>>> Macy Hallock  Hallock Consulting &= nbsp;Lutz, FL + Medina, OH <<<
Tel 813-632-2988 Cell 813-493-88= 99 Email macy1 (at)=20
hallock.net

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This list is provided= as an unmoderated internet service by Networked
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posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the
of= ficial policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.
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------=_Part_1194_2734192.1117128165438-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 13:25:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHPkOe011813 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:25:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QHPk1i011812 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:25:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHPk6S011808 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:25:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHPgif011724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:25:46 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHPYbv008095 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:25:34 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so188395rne for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cZVUene2hlQt4cCo4DtbtaVnijS4mhuevVDHPTiyv9I17lfNnjjq3kyedTTVCPlkWxtTEC2a2BdGHiX/ZhWaRusOYxPP7cfap+85bco4iwFGTzAUtN15Tb0eNLxGHl+ZoHYDMAq3cWHQ5aqkf2sEsRdP6k5Kmq2kmQG57HJU+jM= Received: by 10.38.11.27 with SMTP id 27mr571608rnk; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b0505261025455b2713@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:25:34 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] isorm? In-Reply-To: <4295A1EB.30903@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1198_28997400.1117128334158" References: <125d27dd05052508166fd6a3a1@mail.gmail.com> <2bfca21b05052511414728568c@mail.gmail.com> <4295A1EB.30903@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.099, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1198_28997400.1117128334158 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Oops, I guess I was wrong about the local thing. I just assumed they were= =20 because my friend in Largo works for them. Must just be a sales office. On 5/26/05, Mark Polhamus wrote:=20 >=20 > Nicholas Finzer wrote: > > You might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and=20 > refurb > > systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff is IBM. > > www.itxchange.com >=20 > Local? Their corporate headquarters is in Ontario Canada and they have=20 > "Sales > and Distribution Centers" in North Carolina and the UK. > ( > http://www.itxchange.com/itxchange/OnlineHelpPages/help_contact_detail.as= p > ) >=20 > But their prices for laptops are interesting. Anyone else have any=20 > experience > with this company? >=20 >=20 > -- Mark Polhamus >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_1198_28997400.1117128334158 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Oops, I guess I was wrong about the local thing. I just assumed they were b= ecause my friend in Largo works for them. Must just be a sales office.
<= br>
On 5/26/05, = Mark Polhamus <meplists@ea= rthlink.net> wrote:
Nicholas Finzer wrote:
> Y= ou might want to try IT Xchange, a local company that sells new and refurb
> systems cheap. They have good deals and a lot of their stuff is IB= M.
> www.itxchange.com <<= a href=3D"http://www.itxchange.com">http://www.itxchange.com>
Local?  Their corporate headquarters is in Ontario Canada and the= y have "Sales
and Distribution Centers" in North Carolina and = the UK.
( http://www.itxchange.com/itxchange/OnlineHelpPages/help_contact_detail.asp<= /a>)

But their prices for laptops are interesting.  Anyone= else have any experience
with this company?


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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 13:50:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHorqY011956 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QHortO011955 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHorro011951 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHorJ1012755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:53 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QHolDR012143 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:47 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so797516wra for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:50:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GCcPxiXBnYhRwlWRT1e8PI3ATBWmzkNty3zRUtkNV4CGYkkfsm4NzedEjlSawPWpgYEsSRIXvoy04/ytxaz9HJx6m0ofDVv8C0uF1HVamT71Oj5RfnjePVM71/DBn82I4sVKvfENGQjFqk7+vxxfRClynlyheHNe8OwL4ruGXeA= Received: by 10.54.79.8 with SMTP id c8mr1086158wrb; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.13 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 10:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310505261050f24d2b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:50:46 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] #Slug.fl stats, and Towel Day. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 16:01:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QK15ot012818 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:01:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4QK15A1012817 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:01:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QK14lb012813 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:01:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QK14RB017784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:01:04 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4QK0gI8021368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:00:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 6614 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 20:00:42 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 20:00:41 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D4FBB12535B; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:46:43 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subversion Question #2 Message-ID: <20050526194643.GN30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20050526160841.GM30362@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.447, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, TW_SV 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 12:43:51PM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > On 5/26/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > Next thing on subversion. I just killed the central subversion > > repository and created a new one with: > > > > svnadmin create --fs-type fsfs /home/paulf/svn > > > > So now, I'm going around importing projects. Like this: > > > > cd /home/paulf/src > > svn import payroll file:///home/paulf/svn/payroll > > > > All appears to go okay. So I kill the payroll directory and: > > > > cd /home/paulf/src > > svn checkout file:///home/paulf/svn/payroll payroll > > > > And a copy checks out as expected. Everything okay. > > > > According to the Svnbook, I would expect the svn repository to have > > subdirectories for each project. But they're not there. Even if I make > > these subdirectories myself (manually), nothing goes in there. Moreover, > > when I import and checkout the projects, each successive project gets an > > incremented project number, one series for all projects. Instead of a > > separate series of revision numbers for each project. In fact, in > > looking through all the files in the repository, I don't see a single > > file that even contains the names of my projects inside. > > > > I'm still reading the Svnbook, but if anyone has an answer to why this > > is, please let me know. > > > > If you read about fsfs, you'll see this is normal. Each of the those > numbered files is the delta (change) between previous commits. You > can't access those files without subversion. In short, you're not > meant to monkey around in the subversion repository as if it were a > normal set of directories and stuff. It's not. Essentially subversion > is using the filesystem as a database (as opposed to the creeping > horror of fsbdb). > > In one of my svn repos (actually an svk repo, but that's the same thing): > % ls revs | wc -l > 1042 > > And, lo and behold, I have 1042 revisions in there. One rev file per > reversion, which contains all the changes between it and the last > state of the file system. Yes, I discovered that the svn list command tells me all sorts of things that don't appear obvious about my respository. When I read about how fsfs were flat files, I just figured you'd be able to hack them if necessary. But apparently not. ;-} Thanks for all the help. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 22:45:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R2j2Fq015557 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:45:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4R2j2r0015556 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:45:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R2j2Qe015552 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:45:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R2ivkH031501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:45:02 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R2id2K012646 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:44:40 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so590437wri for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:44:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IUQ5+dSawUgiqP40GpPxWjyroZS870WYHTAsZeRrh5nsicqi2R42PFfUhZ+pN88Y2nIU5POg0fP9TG1pUeCdVSmTrPm212v+2B6fz8+iKLcZLZLZ78t/vDFa3MoOVPWnf3/OtHzyB672iogOweGZf1xrRpPnO8dPCbfPbomHzSs= Received: by 10.54.35.68 with SMTP id i68mr1311077wri; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.31.23 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:44:39 -0400 From: Ethan Zimmerman To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] multi cd-rom changer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.908, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4R2j2Qe015553 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone have any info on multi-cd-rom changers and how they work with linux? I had the great idea to get a 50 cd changer so I could load it up with music cds and write a program/script to rip them into mp3's (or oggs maybe). That way I wouldn't have to spend the whole weekend changing cds out one at a time. But i'm having trouble finding cd-rom-changers that don't cost thousands of dollars. Any ideas? -ethan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 26 23:49:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R3n0Or016000 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:49:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4R3n0ba015999 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:49:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R3n0CP015995 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:49:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R3mxx5000973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:49:00 -0400 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [66.195.224.113]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R3mjG2024549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:48:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j4R3mitB003803 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:48:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: R P Herrold To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: slug] multi cd-rom changer In-Reply-To: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> X-M: Go Blue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 26 May 2005, Ethan Zimmerman wrote: > Does anyone have any info on multi-cd-rom changers and how they work > with linux? I had the great idea to get a 50 cd changer so I could > load it up with music cds and write a program/script to rip them into > mp3's (or oggs maybe). That way I wouldn't have to spend the whole > weekend changing cds out one at a time. But i'm having trouble finding > cd-rom-changers that don't cost thousands of dollars. Any ideas? NEC made a 3 or 4 disk IDE unit which appeared at a single channel which I ran under a 1.2.17 kernel, back in the days of yore -- slow as could be; I wonder if it is still around in some strata of my 'boneyard'. Obviously supplemental aftermarket IDE cards exist, to permit putting perhaps 4 channels x 2 m/s - 1 hard disk for the OS [so a net of 7 CD drivers] into a maxi-tower case. A trivial amount of shell scripting to alternate between the ripper, and the eject command would be needed, and then you could have it managing the seven CD drives, say from top to bottom, and it busily chruning away and them moving on to the next ready unit. You may even be able to rip in parallel. Easy enough to put a webbish control interface on top of that with color coding, so that a neighborhood 12 year old could be commissioned to 'click the matching red button' when the young assistant loaded an open tray; close the drive door with eject and stage it to green when waiting for its turn in queue, and yellow as it is burning. Encode the ripped content over to ogg's please (xmms plays them fine, as does my iRiver portible device) -- the Fankhauser patent is still in effect as to mp3. ;) - Russ Herrold ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 00:41:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R4fxhN016405 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:41:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4R4fxbQ016404 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:41:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R4fx1c016400 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:41:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R4frGo004275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:41:59 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R4fM3v000946 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:41:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.101] (57-23.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.23.57]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4R4fKb6010399 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4296A440.1010109@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:38:24 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi cd-rom changer References: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.392, required 6, AWL -0.39, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ethan Zimmerman wrote: >Does anyone have any info on multi-cd-rom changers and how they work >with linux? I had the great idea to get a 50 cd changer so I could >load it up with music cds and write a program/script to rip them into >mp3's (or oggs maybe). That way I wouldn't have to spend the whole >weekend changing cds out one at a time. But i'm having trouble finding >cd-rom-changers that don't cost thousands of dollars. Any ideas? > >-ethan > > > I think the most you're going to find is somewhere between a 5 and 10 CD changer. Any more than that and they're expensive, for some reason. Back in the day when hard drives were expensive, I had two SCSI 8 CD changers by SDI, or SCI, something like that. I mounted them each as Netware volumes.. it worked well. Maybe look on eBay, might find some cheap. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 03:15:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R7FRvw017402 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 03:15:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4R7FRhO017401 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 03:15:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R7FReh017397 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 03:15:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R7FRiW010324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 03:15:27 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4R7F58o013142 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 03:15:05 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so655711wri for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:15:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TAw3p+f6sjNCiQo/HDNvGlWWbFGF4W2pgr5MydTOrx+ILlnIvSb1Vgj8jC7+ppXCtwwmv7iaI+dzH95Ua+yP5MguIhumPEc23e8Y0YsIx4DqxCcNVKofOmW4lQvwT64cBpRIClNbVuWzetrrj6v6yWX8xR0iuyyTxZc5l6hU4bM= Received: by 10.54.145.14 with SMTP id s14mr1449995wrd; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.35 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:15:02 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi cd-rom changer In-Reply-To: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.567, required 6, AWL 0.33, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4R7FReh017398 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i have an old Pioneer 101 CD changer somewhere around here. no clue if it still works, let me check and get back to you. On 5/26/05, Ethan Zimmerman wrote: > Does anyone have any info on multi-cd-rom changers and how they work > with linux? I had the great idea to get a 50 cd changer so I could > load it up with music cds and write a program/script to rip them into > mp3's (or oggs maybe). That way I wouldn't have to spend the whole > weekend changing cds out one at a time. But i'm having trouble finding > cd-rom-changers that don't cost thousands of dollars. Any ideas? > > -ethan > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 06:52:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RAqEmd019045 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:52:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RAqEta019044 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:52:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RAqDkE019040 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:52:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RAqD79020468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:52:13 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4RAq1KJ008667 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:52:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 12259 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2005 10:52:01 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. Clear:. Processed in 0.037361 secs); 27 May 2005 10:52:01 -0000 Received: from perm68-135.ij.net (HELO ?192.168.1.6?) (209.216.68.135) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 27 May 2005 10:52:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:52:00 -0400 From: paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux User Group Subject: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.281, required 6, AWL -1.28, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his Butterfly. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 08:07:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RC7SU3019561 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:07:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RC7SXU019560 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:07:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RC7SHb019556 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:07:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RC7RGv023678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:07:28 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RC79nT022633 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:07:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2358F22F for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42970CE8.7060002@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:04:56 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> In-Reply-To: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.838, required 6, AWL -0.84, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net paddy wrote: > My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free > operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. > > http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 > > > $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his > Butterfly. It's funny, but I've bought a few subscriptions for my client servers and got my employer to buy at least two for evaluation. Very likely we'll be adding another dozen licenses at some point in the next few months. We've recently puchased some IBM 590s, multiplade Blade systems, etc.. Totals are in the 1.0x10E+6 range so $255 is not even worth a line-item. When I do purchase a distro I still feel as if I'm getting away with something. It's like finding a $1200 suit mismarked in the clearance aisle... In comparison, dropping the extra $55 for XP Pro whenever a buy a laptop really irritates me. I feel like I'm being robbed. $55 for what? Some extra ACLs, working networking and management tools, and still no development tools? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 08:51:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RCpslA019890 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:51:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RCpsfD019889 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:51:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RCpsgl019885 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:51:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RCpswV025439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:51:54 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RCpcdp032235 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:51:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.103] ([192.168.10.103]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18413 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:33:38 -0400 Message-ID: <429717C0.8070609@washpat.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:51:12 -0400 From: Chris Moore User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi cd-rom changer References: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> <4296A440.1010109@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <4296A440.1010109@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080204030208070306080000" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.453, required 6, AWL -0.45, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080204030208070306080000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric A. Hicks wrote: > Ethan Zimmerman wrote: > >> Does anyone have any info on multi-cd-rom changers and how they work >> with linux? I had the great idea to get a 50 cd changer so I could >> load it up with music cds and write a program/script to rip them into >> mp3's (or oggs maybe). That way I wouldn't have to spend the whole >> weekend changing cds out one at a time. But i'm having trouble finding >> cd-rom-changers that don't cost thousands of dollars. Any ideas? >> >> -ethan >> >> >> > I think the most you're going to find is somewhere between a 5 and 10 > CD changer. Any more than that and they're expensive, for some > reason. Back in the day when hard drives were expensive, I had two > SCSI 8 CD changers by SDI, or SCI, something like that. I mounted > them each as Netware volumes.. it worked well. Maybe look on eBay, > might find some cheap. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > I use a JVC 100 disc changer at work but I never found any management software for Linux to work with our model. Usually the jukebox management software will add another $800 to $2000 in cost to a new or used disc changer, used ones rarely come with the management software. Your probably better off using one of the smaller changers where each disc is loaded into a separate drive and each drive can be mounted individually. --------------080204030208070306080000 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="cmoore.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cmoore.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Chris Moore n:Moore;Chris email;internet:cmoore@washpat.com version:2.1 end:vcard --------------080204030208070306080000-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 09:37:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RDbsB2020229 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:37:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RDbsJJ020228 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:37:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RDbs61020224 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:37:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RDbrVa027055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:37:54 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RDbi4N008848 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:37:44 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so761394wri for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:37:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bubbMPTpWGiKFhnYTkJmykxyfCA8SpLDafFpT0DGJCktvtQsn6aLpmwc+/P2YIjxvd5L2hxAZdOqbgovOs4Vb8l1E0ccR9GYrTLeoD6edHu2uVT1wKN96vjaA5zxcW2Hpjwt8heIJAU6QftAWrhabgcatZ+wTp4hj+ONjjlMdHk= Received: by 10.54.145.14 with SMTP id s14mr1619224wrd; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.13 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 06:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310505270637305436b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:37:43 -0400 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi cd-rom changer In-Reply-To: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.828, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4RDbs61020225 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/26/05, Ethan Zimmerman wrote: > Does anyone have any info on multi-cd-rom changers and how they work > with linux? I had the great idea to get a 50 cd changer so I could > load it up with music cds and write a program/script to rip them into > mp3's (or oggs maybe). That way I wouldn't have to spend the whole > weekend changing cds out one at a time. You'd spend the whole weekend loading the changer instead? -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 10:42:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4REgiI8020683 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:42:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4REgiDE020682 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:42:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4REgifI020678 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:42:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4REgeWH029200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:42:44 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4REgV0t024064 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 10:42:32 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so277875rne for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:42:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Msp7jxlG/id2bbA4v8u4clSxxclWwSrSORD7MV096Xbzdspo7r03TW4pJytgUoFr/lTPwfxaol5fADG4Nl32egE8sFPNWSoW9Yo9cdXuX7odIf/VD+rfQ4Ge/p2E+HLmxMWJvhMFnobHeNAnE57i7v1OW7rnIhbvKjehGMimOlU= Received: by 10.38.79.45 with SMTP id c45mr894926rnb; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b050527074231ed523a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:42:31 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system In-Reply-To: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2419_4489558.1117204951481" References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.401, required 6, AWL -2.50, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2419_4489558.1117204951481 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Linux can and always be found for free legally. Don't forget it's also free= =20 as in free speech. You are paying for RedHat enhancements to the GNU/Linux= =20 operating system, which aren't free (in at least one sense of the word,=20 maybe both). I use Gentoo, which is made by a non-profit corp so it's free.= =20 Debian is also free. Slackware is also free. Fedora is also free, and made= =20 by RedHat. It's the continuation of the old free RedHat. The moral of the story- stay away from RedHat :P (I don't really have anything against RedHat. I just hate using their OS.) On 5/27/05, paddy wrote:=20 >=20 > My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free > operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. >=20 >=20 > http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=3DPROD&Store_= Code=3DM&Product_Code=3D210224&AFFIL=3DTH&NR=3D1 >=20 > $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his > Butterfly. >=20 > Paddy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_2419_4489558.1117204951481 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Linux can and always be found for free legally. Don't forget it's also= free as in free speech. You are paying for RedHat enhancements to the GNU/= Linux operating system, which aren't free (in at least one sense of the wor= d, maybe both). I use Gentoo, which is made by a non-profit corp = so it's free. Debian is also free. Slackware is also free. Fedora is also f= ree, and made by RedHat. It's the continuation of the old free RedHat.
 
The moral of the story- stay away from RedHat :P
 
(I don't really have anything against RedHat. I just hate using their = OS.)

 
On 5/27/05, = paddy <paddy@ij.net> wrote:
My, my, how times have changed!&= nbsp; I remember fwhen Linux was a free
operating system. &nbs= p;Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought.

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=3DPROD&= amp;Store_Code=3DM&Product_Code=3D210224&AFFIL=3DTH&NR=3D1

$255 for a Linux system.  Pretty soon they will equal= Uncle Bill and his
Butterfly.

Paddy
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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 11:25:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFPYjP020994 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:25:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RFPY6c020993 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:25:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFPXVU020989 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:25:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFPXap030678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:25:33 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFPBbQ007392 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:25:12 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B731A247E4 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:25:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1117207506.14046.8.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.286, required 6, AWL -2.29, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2005-05-27 at 06:52 -0400, paddy wrote: > My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free > operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. > > http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 > > $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his > Butterfly. > > Paddy While I am definitely not partial to Red Hat, remember, this is an enterprise WS package with support for the "business". Still much cheaper than Billy boy's enterprise licensing and support. This is basically what you are paying for: /snip from url/ Annual Phone Support Phone Response Time/SLA: 4 hours North American Phone Support: 9-9 ET M-F Global Phone Support: 9-5 GMT/CET M-F * Web Response Time/SLA: 2 business days * Scope of Coverage: 1 year of Standard Coverage 1 year of paying somebody sitting on the other end of the phone rather than the slug list! ;^) eehhhhh............I like you guys better!! Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 11:46:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFkB5A021121 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RFkBj8021120 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFkAg7021116 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFkAwP031331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:10 -0400 Received: from hannibal.dreamhost.com (hannibal.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.25]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFjwSk002959 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-243-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.243.70]) by hannibal.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C12317511F for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:45:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> In-Reply-To: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505271145.55693.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 May 2005 06:52, paddy wrote: > My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free > operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. > > http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code >=M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 > > $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his > Butterfly. But you can still download it for free. People seem to forget that after seing there's a price tag. It's called Fedora. True not exactly the same, more bleeding edge. CentOS is basically RH Enterprise. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 11:54:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFsu5d021175 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:54:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RFsupY021174 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:54:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFsuJF021170 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:54:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFstmc031629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:54:55 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RFsfgo001410 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:54:41 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:54:40 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.4 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:54:26 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: , Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.67, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, NO_COST 1.67) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4RFsuJF021171 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> nfinzer@gmail.com 5/27/05 10:42:31 AM >>> >Linux can and always be found for free legally. Don't forget it's also free >as in free speech. You are paying for RedHat enhancements to the GNU/Linux >operating system, which aren't free (in at least one sense of the word, >maybe both). I use Gentoo, which is made by a non-profit corp so it's free. >Debian is also free. Slackware is also free. Fedora is also free, and made >by RedHat. It's the continuation of the old free RedHat. >The moral of the story- stay away from RedHat :P >(I don't really have anything against RedHat. I just hate using their OS.) Actually...you don't pay for the OS. The OS is at no cost. You are paying for support and you are paying for the mechanisms and time it takes to put updates together in a cohesive and usable package available via their update mechanism. In the case of RedHat, Fedora is their beta test of the latest features and updates as is SUSE LINUX Pro 9.3. For what it's worth, Novell Linux Desktop (the Novell version of an enterprise desktop) is $90 (MSRP). What you get for $90 is a media kit, 2 years of updates (full updates not security only like in SUSE Pro) and simple support (our support mechanism for enterprises is a little different). Remember...nothing is free. Absolutely nothing. It may be no cost to you, but it's never entirely free. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 12:02:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG29xS021247 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RG2950021246 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG29gb021242 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG25VT031859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:09 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (static-68-238-170-98.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [68.238.170.98]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG1jnl024444 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:01:49 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 2821622800A; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:49:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:49:07 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050527154907.2821622800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net slug@nks.net wrote: > On Friday 27 May 2005 06:52, paddy wrote: > > My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free > > operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. > > > > http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code > >=M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 > > > > $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his > > Butterfly. > > But you can still download it for free. People seem to forget that after seing > there's a price tag. It's called Fedora. True not exactly the same, more > bleeding edge. CentOS is basically RH Enterprise. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety." > Benjamin Franklin That price includes Red Hat Network support. I haven't tried CentOS yet but there's also White Box linux which is the same type of deal as CentOS... James ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 12:02:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG2Oxx021259 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RG2OWV021258 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG2Nn7021254 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG2Nsk031866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:23 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RG21u4020454 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:01 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so399480rng for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mgf2JHLYj9w53v2uxpvIY7ONVHIRTnyrgPo0hnL/qVAYcw0qnIUrVz3S3L8stZBRmpG+ElWaMzdlPC1Rg7AY9+9a+PtbEpA69aoTuhcOcro/pi6bzCPkbKUzsW6/odwbgrq6dvI7pm3k66SebBhPnhYKWK19Olw3Ekikb+PLTx4= Received: by 10.38.152.59 with SMTP id z59mr2871972rnd; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.33 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705052709026435c266@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:00 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DSL on a laptop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.199, required 6, AWL 0.70, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4RG2Nn7021255 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anyone running DSL (Damn Small Linux) I am trying to get it running on a Toshiba Tecra 8000, what is wierd is I can stick other live CD's in there and it will load them up. This one starts out just fine, gets to the line that ID's the CPU as a mobile pentium II with 256m of ram and that is where it poops. I was hoping to get it running on one of these things to do some playing with it but so far no luck. Also can you have a CD that has grub or lilo on it and allows you to choose and boot amoung several of the compact image products that are out there? -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 12:13:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGD6fK021329 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:13:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RGD6oW021328 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:13:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGD6XZ021324 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:13:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGD5bZ032182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:13:06 -0400 Received: from srv01.jemconsult.biz (static-68-238-170-98.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [68.238.170.98]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGCiVv005094 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:12:45 -0400 Received: by srv01.jemconsult.biz (Postfix, from userid 56641) id 8A08022800A; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:00:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org organization: JEMConsult.biz date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:00:06 -0000 content-type: text/plain To: slug@nks.net From: "James Marcinek" subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL on a laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20050527160006.8A08022800A@srv01.jemconsult.biz> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.809, required 6, AWL 0.81) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net slug@nks.net wrote: > Anyone running DSL (Damn Small Linux) I am trying to get it running on a > Toshiba Tecra 8000, what is wierd is I can stick other live CD's in there and > it will load them up. This one starts out just fine, gets to the line that ID's > the CPU as a mobile pentium II with 256m of ram and that is where it poops. > > I was hoping to get it running on one of these things to do some playing with > it but so far no luck. > > Also can you have a CD that has grub or lilo on it and allows you to choose > and boot amoung several of the compact image products that are out there? > > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > You might want to check out http://www.linux-laptop.net/ to see if there's any information on your system... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 12:22:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGMFYq021452 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:22:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RGMFlk021451 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:22:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGMFI4021447 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:22:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGMFoO032553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:22:15 -0400 Received: from web52607.mail.yahoo.com (web52607.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.145]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4RGM6lT026782 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:22:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 43650 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2005 16:22:06 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=WdTP4sgiFza6ZNJI8hYpof82unAGkG4MtOLrlN6R/0N4RBhenAiU8qN1PXimh+Bi2QDi4BoccfIwkCn0u9v69INPu/+PRqyFPcH2Yw1n2Dj7Ye5y7tEly3moVoO1KrY44KGZZbL1+cuO30rJFiuikccxTdS1qAUg6ZW08IurGAc= ; Message-ID: <20050527162206.43648.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.33.49.251] by web52607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:22:06 PDT Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Banschbach Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL on a laptop To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.25, required 6, AWL -0.44, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Chuck... I have used Damn Small for about 2years on a variety of machines. I currently have it running on my THinkpad 770, and its just a beautiful thing. As for your boot issue, is this POST HD-install ? Which type of install did you do ? What version are you running ? All this would be most helpful. Also.. if your running a Live CD version.. you might want to run the Checksum on the image ? possibly redownload it.. I personally have not had your issue but I will also vouch for the helpfulness of John ( the developer/owner/whatever guy) and a few of the others in forum. It might also take a day or 2 to get back to you. This has been my own experience. I have had it on my thinkpad.. my wifes Dell Latitude CP.. an IBM GL300 desktop. and a couple of other PC clones. I also have a Toshiba laptop which is a Satellite T-4700 with no CD drive that I installed Debian on by floppy ( Oh Lord what a day that was :) and had a couple of video tweaks to do .. and a little extra help by my buddy Andrew Wyatt to get some font issues together etc.. Let me know what you have.. and what you did , and possibly I can help a little.. Mark --- Chuck Hast wrote: > Anyone running DSL (Damn Small Linux) I am trying to > get it running on a > Toshiba Tecra 8000, what is wierd is I can stick > other live CD's in there and > it will load them up. This one starts out just fine, > gets to the line that ID's > the CPU as a mobile pentium II with 256m of ram and > that is where it poops. > > I was hoping to get it running on one of these > things to do some playing with > it but so far no luck. > > Also can you have a CD that has grub or lilo on it > and allows you to choose > and boot amoung several of the compact image > products that are out there? > > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask > resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in > the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 12:35:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGZeG7021546 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:35:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RGZeqq021545 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:35:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGZeai021541 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:35:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGZeJF000508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:35:40 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RGZRvB012045 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:35:27 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so404346rng for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:35:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mqHh6cYtTSKpkfhN3Kd3v0XDORZ1mtHkgGEUEiEq8eiMh7Bd4IXy64HkUmHgwmRNdoRRuTYGm24A+vxZh5FqYQKTHtA3BvN6fsn+WFqZak+IxAAXkursL5t9/o01Oxl/R2VpfuZ4yphr7+hy0Hf9FWbtagDY56ne9fTyIOp2uC8= Received: by 10.38.161.27 with SMTP id j27mr3842595rne; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.33 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c9057050527093561371219@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:35:26 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DSL on a laptop In-Reply-To: <20050527162206.43648.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050527162206.43648.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.089, required 6, AWL -1.56, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4RGZeai021542 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/27/05, Mark Banschbach wrote: > Hey Chuck... > > I have used Damn Small for about 2years on a variety > of machines. I currently have it running on my > THinkpad 770, and its just a beautiful thing. > > As for your boot issue, is this POST HD-install ? No Live CD... > Which type of install did you do ? What version are Latest, just pulled it off of the web site dsl1.1 is what it says > you running ? All this would be most helpful. Also.. > if your running a Live CD version.. you might want to > run the Checksum on the image ? possibly redownload I will do so and see if that was what the problem was. > it.. I personally have not had your issue but I will > also vouch for the helpfulness of John ( the > developer/owner/whatever guy) and a few of the others > in forum. It might also take a day or 2 to get back > to you. This has been my own experience. I have had > it on my thinkpad.. my wifes Dell Latitude CP.. an IBM > GL300 desktop. and a couple of other PC clones. I > also have a Toshiba laptop which is a Satellite T-4700 > with no CD drive that I installed Debian on by floppy > ( Oh Lord what a day that was :) and had a couple of > video tweaks to do .. and a little extra help by my > buddy Andrew Wyatt to get some font issues together > etc.. Sounds like you have been using it a while. I am actually interested in using it on several machines and in the end I want to end up with it on a CF card.... But I have to get it up and running first on something so I can poke at it a bit. > > Let me know what you have.. and what you did , and > possibly I can help a little.. > Thank you Mark. I will drop notes as I find out what I have or have not done... -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 15:32:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJWub7022775 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RJWuRB022774 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJWuhj022770 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJWtN5006421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:56 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4RJWiYJ009927 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 13022 invoked by uid 0); 27 May 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. 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(209.216.68.135) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 27 May 2005 19:32:44 -0000 Message-ID: <429775DB.5070403@ij.net> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:32:43 -0400 From: paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> <42970CE8.7060002@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <42970CE8.7060002@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.201, required 6, AWL -1.20, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Kwan Lowe wrote: > paddy wrote: > >> My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free >> operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. >> >> http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 >> >> >> $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and >> his Butterfly. > > > It's funny, but I've bought a few subscriptions for my client servers > and got my employer to buy at least two for evaluation. Very likely > we'll be adding another dozen licenses at some point in the next few > months. We've recently puchased some IBM 590s, multiplade Blade > systems, etc.. Totals are in the 1.0x10E+6 range so $255 is not even > worth a line-item. > > When I do purchase a distro I still feel as if I'm getting away with > something. It's like finding a $1200 suit mismarked in the clearance > aisle... In comparison, dropping the extra $55 for XP Pro whenever a > buy a laptop really irritates me. I feel like I'm being robbed. $55 > for what? Some extra ACLs, working networking and management tools, > and still no development tools? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > When I want a server I install a copy of OpenBSD. One hell of an operating system and the finest security software avaliable, IMHO. In addition, it takes some configuring to get up and running but the price is FREE or you can contribute to the development team by buying CD's for $45. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 15:52:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJqHwT022904 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:52:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RJqHod022903 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:52:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJqHY5022899 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:52:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJqGkB006998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:52:17 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJpwNQ002430 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:51:58 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4RJpuGK020825 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200505271951.j4RJpuGK020825@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:58:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> Thread-index: AcVirCccbVKXkYmdQRCrxyN2CNqtagASDzQA X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free operating system. >> Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. >> $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his Butterfly. Ah, but this is a good thing. Really good. If you want to play with MS Windows Server 2003 and SQL server 2000 for an extended time (beyond the 120-day eval version), you end up spending a pretty good chunk of change, and support is extra. I have not upgraded my Win Server licenses at home, so all my MS stuff is getting dated. It's tough to pay several grand to upgrade those machines, when they don't provide any income right now. On the other hand, I have a couple of Linux servers, running MySQL/Apache/PHP and ProgreSQL/Apache/PHP, and have been running them for a year with no fees involved. That's pretty cool. Plus I have all the development tool. It's only cost me ISP charges and buying of books. This ability for me to move into Linux at such a small cost is a huge factor in favor of Linux, and will be more so as time marches on. We now run a SuSE server at work. As our use of Linux grows, I will need to add support. I _want_ Red Hat and SuSE (Novell) to make money on this. I _want_ more support options. That means our little baby has grown up and is building market share. That means my talent becomes more valuable. All good. Ken Elliott 1832 Lombardy Dr. Clearwater FL 33755 cell 727-698-0276 http://web.tampabay.rr.com/kelliott4/ ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of paddy Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:52 AM To: Suncoast Linux User Group Subject: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code= M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and his Butterfly. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 15:53:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJrvUE022922 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:53:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RJrvwQ022921 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:53:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJrvR6022917 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:53:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJru7T007039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:53:56 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RJrgmT002652 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:53:42 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4RJreGK021647 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 15:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200505271953.j4RJreGK021647@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:59:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <429775DB.5070403@ij.net> Thread-index: AcVi9EUNkbvKaZOPTDWJTPt0zyh4jgAAi/6Q X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> When I want a server I install a copy of OpenBSD. >> In addition, it takes some configuring to get up and running but the price is FREE >> or you can contribute to the development team by buying CD's for $45. Or you can get Mac OS/X, which is BSD-based. Nice to have choices, isn't it? Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of paddy Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:33 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Kwan Lowe wrote: > paddy wrote: > >> My, my, how times have changed! I remember fwhen Linux was a free >> operating system. Look now, and see what Red Hat has wrought. >> >> http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Stor >> e_Code=M&Product_Code=210224&AFFIL=TH&NR=1 >> >> >> $255 for a Linux system. Pretty soon they will equal Uncle Bill and >> his Butterfly. > > > It's funny, but I've bought a few subscriptions for my client servers > and got my employer to buy at least two for evaluation. Very likely > we'll be adding another dozen licenses at some point in the next few > months. We've recently puchased some IBM 590s, multiplade Blade > systems, etc.. Totals are in the 1.0x10E+6 range so $255 is not even > worth a line-item. > > When I do purchase a distro I still feel as if I'm getting away with > something. It's like finding a $1200 suit mismarked in the clearance > aisle... In comparison, dropping the extra $55 for XP Pro whenever a > buy a laptop really irritates me. I feel like I'm being robbed. $55 > for what? Some extra ACLs, working networking and management tools, > and still no development tools? > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect > the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > When I want a server I install a copy of OpenBSD. One hell of an operating system and the finest security software avaliable, IMHO. In addition, it takes some configuring to get up and running but the price is FREE or you can contribute to the development team by buying CD's for $45. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 19:49:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RNnSHg024571 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:49:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4RNnSPZ024570 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:49:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RNnSJk024566 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:49:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RNnSC1015005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:49:28 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4RNnHwQ024936 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:49:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C370D22F for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4297B179.80804@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:47:05 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> <42970CE8.7060002@digitalhermit.com> <429775DB.5070403@ij.net> In-Reply-To: <429775DB.5070403@ij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.717, required 6, AWL -0.81, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net paddy wrote: > When I want a server I install a copy of OpenBSD. One hell of an > operating system and the finest security software avaliable, IMHO. In > addition, it takes some configuring to get up and running but the price > is FREE or you can contribute to the development team by buying CD's for > $45. OpenBSD is a robust platform. I've maintained instances of it over the years. Byte for byte, it's arguably more secure than most Linux distributions *out of the box*. You rarely see a kernel exploit or vulnerability in OpenBSD. Things like kernel-level PRNG is good to see, especially in light of all the sequence-guessing exploits. It also seems to have a better design and, for lack of a better term, "mission statement" than Linux. Now the buts: It's a big debate whether a rigid design model or the almost chaotic Linux development model is better.... As far as applications go, Linux and OpenBSD share much of the same code so it's sort of a wash as far as user space security. For servers, the SELinux extensions are really powerful. I worked at a firewall company recently and they chose Linux over OpenBSD because of the MAC (mandatory access control) features of SELinux *and* because the Linux TCP/IP stack was better in most cases than OpenBSD's (in fact, some benchmarks place OpenBSD *last* http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ ). Linux currently has much better scalability (SMP support, e.g.) and this is really necessary for higher end systems. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 20:32:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S0WsZA024896 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:32:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4S0WsWM024895 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:32:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S0Wr9W024891 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:32:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S0Wrih016786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:32:53 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S0WbR0018959 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:32:37 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so954022wri for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:32:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bujCL20CzoG7fBftA4UALhpUjMN3iFPyLpTcjZ1ewQGktf5x1jqbmqC3VpnYjtm/D4FBJrCrSIxmK/wKv4axzKDArGRMpLq2p1j9gnC9lhakNTMWnBNfohsWfqXFuvBKQSTZJ3spJJJNkP3nqMHh0EaCFw8JxHcHB/R4+GFmmeU= Received: by 10.54.37.8 with SMTP id k8mr1873067wrk; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.35 with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:32:37 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Robin 'Roblimo' Miller on slashdot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.67, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FU_WITH_ID 0.23) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4S0Wr9W024892 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/27/214215&tid=109&tid=1&tid=106 http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216 grats Roblimo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 21:11:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S1BgZD025131 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:11:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4S1BgIv025130 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:11:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S1Bg9j025126 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:11:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S1BgXt018027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:11:42 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S1BOUb021766 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:11:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF40422F for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4297C4B8.8080808@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:09:12 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Robin 'Roblimo' Miller on slashdot References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.149, required 6, AWL -0.47, BAYES_10 -0.91, FU_WITH_ID 0.23) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/27/214215&tid=109&tid=1&tid=106 > > http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/18/2033216 > > grats Roblimo > I dunno, I sorta kinda hafta disagree that Windows is ready for the desktop. Virtual desktops is a highly desirable feature, yet the Windows version shipped with PowerToys does not work correctly with third party products such as Microsoft Excel (it doesn't handle full screen apps across desktops properly). It doesn't handle multi-head display cleanly (e.g., I can't put a full size picture on both heads). The terminal window is poor (can't resize over 80 columns). The text editor is horrible. The Internet browser doesn't support tabs unless I download a third party app. Filtering in the mail reader is pretty poor. It has great trouble with non-NTFS filesystems. Multi-user support is poor. This seems like a red herring for a desktop system, but at least in my house, there's one main PC and maybe a couple satellite machines. Easy access to the main desktop is highly desirable yet the Home Edition is sadly lacking in this area. Installation of software is pretty easy, though almost everything requires a reboot. Accessing an invalid share will freeze the entire machine... I could go on.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 22:00:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S204Bn025499 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:00:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4S203BO025498 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:00:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S202aA025494 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:00:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S201aU019557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:00:01 -0400 Received: from baracus.dreamhost.com (baracus.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.11]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S1xoUW030611 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:59:51 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-243-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.243.70]) by baracus.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C974175126 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:59:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> <429775DB.5070403@ij.net> <4297B179.80804@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <4297B179.80804@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505272159.46370.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.828, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 May 2005 19:47, Kwan Lowe wrote: > As far as applications go, Linux and OpenBSD share much of the same code > so it's sort of a wash as far as user space security. For servers, the I personally agree with most but this is not entirely correct. OBSD uses amongst other things random memory allocations, priviledge separation and revocation. ProPolice handles buffer overflows, and so on. These features keeps the machine secure in user space as well. But I do agree with the TCP stack, even the hard disk I/O is not the best. OBSD does however have a very complete support for most protocols. > SELinux extensions are really powerful. I worked at a firewall company > recently and they chose Linux over OpenBSD because of the MAC (mandatory > access control) features of SELinux *and* because the Linux TCP/IP stack > was better in most cases than OpenBSD's (in fact, some benchmarks place > OpenBSD *last* http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ ). Linux currently has > much better scalability (SMP support, e.g.) and this is really necessary > for higher end systems. I'm not so sure if I'd give up the above OBSD features for the faster stack. When you leave x86 OBSD get's even better as you can get even better (more security minded processors) with f.ex. Sun. Linux has a tremendous forward momentum and offers a number of compelling reasons to use with something like SELinux. My problem is that after seing how ingenious good hackers are, I don't want to give up on some of these features that OBSD offers. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 22:04:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S242pg025531 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:04:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4S242jZ025530 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:04:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S241IN025526 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:04:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S241D8019720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:04:01 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S23u0F031661 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:03:56 -0400 Received: from [68.202.118.225] (225-118.202-68.se.res.rr.com [68.202.118.225] (may be forged)) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4S23rEg014732; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4297D170.6040605@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:03:28 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi cd-rom changer References: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2c888f2605052619445233702f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Does anyone have any info on multi-cd-rom changers and how they work > with linux? I had the great idea to get a 50 cd changer so I could > load it up with music cds and write a program/script to rip them into > mp3's (or oggs maybe). That way I wouldn't have to spend the whole > weekend changing cds out one at a time. But i'm having trouble finding > cd-rom-changers that don't cost thousands of dollars. Any ideas? I have a NEC IDE type CD-ROM that holds in 4 CD's at a time, I haven't tried it because it is only like 2X and I don't have any open IDE ports, there is a LINUX program to select which disk shall be accessed. My CD-RW reads at 32X. -- Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 27 23:09:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S39aEF025971 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:09:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4S39apV025969 for slug-track29; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:09:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S39aQ2025965 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:09:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S39awc021975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:09:36 -0400 Received: from mail.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4S39HaS006985 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:09:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) by mail.digitalhermit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B73822F for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4297E059.7040306@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:07:05 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> <429775DB.5070403@ij.net> <4297B179.80804@digitalhermit.com> <200505272159.46370.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200505272159.46370.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.52, required 6, AWL -1.21, BAYES_10 -0.91, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > I personally agree with most but this is not entirely correct. OBSD uses > amongst other things random memory allocations, priviledge separation and > revocation. ProPolice handles buffer overflows, and so on. These features > keeps the machine secure in user space as well. Agreed -- these features are very good to have. Linux is incorporating some aspects of the OpenBSD kernel with grsecurity and SELinux. Other projects such as OpenWall deal with stack invalidation. TCP ISN randomization has been addressed. Distros are doing a better job of shipping "secure by default" configurations. You could say that Linux kernel development is cherry picking the best features of OpenBSD (and vice versa). It's certainly not as cohesive as OpenBSD, but allows more of a buffet approach. It's also important to keep in mind that AFAIK, the ports tree does not undergo the same code audit as the base. 99% of the exploits come from applications, not from the kernel. This is true for Linux and perhaps doubly so for OpenBSD. > I'm not so sure if I'd give up the above OBSD features for the faster stack. > When you leave x86 OBSD get's even better as you can get even better (more > security minded processors) with f.ex. Sun. I have to disagree here. I'm willing to trade some security for the better performance, better support (hw/sw and vendor), and better ease of use/configuration. This is more for practical reasons than anything else. It's hard enough to convince a manager to replace his IIS box with Linux; imagine installing OpenBSD and not having SATA or SMP support (almost ubiquitous for my customers' x86 systems)? > Linux has a tremendous forward momentum and offers a number of compelling > reasons to use with something like SELinux. My problem is that after seing > how ingenious good hackers are, I don't want to give up on some of these > features that OBSD offers. Not even for the cool penguin mascot?!?! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 28 08:54:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4SCsslc029978 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:54:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4SCssNt029977 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:54:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4SCsrHA029973 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:54:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4SCsrHl011831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:54:53 -0400 Received: from hannibal.dreamhost.com (hannibal.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.25]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4SCshuj002994 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:54:43 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-243-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.243.70]) by hannibal.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D52417512B for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux the free operating system Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:54:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <4296FBD0.7010003@ij.net> <200505272159.46370.steve@szmidt.org> <4297E059.7040306@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <4297E059.7040306@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505280854.38229.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.599, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 27 May 2005 23:07, Kwan Lowe wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > I'm not so sure if I'd give up the above OBSD features for the faster > > stack. When you leave x86 OBSD get's even better as you can get even > > better (more security minded processors) with f.ex. Sun. > > I have to disagree here. I'm willing to trade some security for the > better performance, better support (hw/sw and vendor), and better ease > of use/configuration. This is more for practical reasons than anything > else. It's hard enough to convince a manager to replace his IIS box with > Linux; imagine installing OpenBSD and not having SATA or SMP support > (almost ubiquitous for my customers' x86 systems)? OK, I'm not talking about production machines but firewalls. I've yet to use OBSD for anything but firewall duty. Don't get me wrong. There are reasons not to use OBSD. Like Theo's childlike tantrums. The idea of not making tools work for the less technical people, as with vi features from 10 years ago. I definitely have the idea that the OBSD camp do not have a lot of expertise outside security. Certainly the focus is security not performance. Fortunately computers are a lot faster than the network connections so it takes a lot to over load even the "slow" stack. I'm bracketing the stack as even being the slowest one out there, it's still plenty fast for most situations. > > Linux has a tremendous forward momentum and offers a number of compelling > > reasons to use with something like SELinux. My problem is that after > > seing how ingenious good hackers are, I don't want to give up on some of > > these features that OBSD offers. > > Not even for the cool penguin mascot?!?! Well, maybe for that... -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 28 22:30:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T2UfLD003113 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:30:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4T2UfTJ003112 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:30:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T2Ue8g003108 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:30:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T2UetZ001650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:30:40 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T2USvp004535 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:30:28 -0400 Received: from pool-2.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.182] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11e/96) id 36GJ600 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 22:29:42 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:31:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505282231.20537.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, AWL -1.29, BAYES_10 -0.91) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4T2Ue8g003109 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:27, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 08:40, sean@hogston.com wrote: > > > ok I have one last thing to try and then i'm out of suggestions. > > > for the convert line change it to be /usr/bin/convert instead of > > > just convert. I suggest this only because it is using /bin/sh and > > > MAYBE when the script is running it does not find the convert > > > command. I have noticed this in some of my scripts so I usually > > > make it a habbit to either put the full path to the command or > > > set it as a variable. > > > > OK, added /usr/bin/  in front of the convert line. Didn't help. > > Still the same errors.  Thanks for trying to help. If you can think > > of anything else I am all ears. > > Put "set -x"/"set +x" above and below the call to "convert" to see > what it's _really_ calling, how it's being called, and when the > errors occur.  Then, adjust your response depending on what it says. > If it were not able to find "convert" (which adding "/usr/bin/" would > fix) then the error would be something about "command not found". Eben, Please excuse my ignorance. Put the whole "set -x"/"set +x" above and below the convert line or the "set -x" above and the /"set +x" below. (minus the quotes ?? )  The backslash is confusing. I put a set -x above and a set +x below and this is what i got: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:   : command not found + $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240'                                                /usr/bin/convert -quality 70 -geometry 800x600 /                                               home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp/p5150410                                               .jpg /home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/carloue                                               limages/p5150410.jpg /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39:                                                 : command not found + set $'+x\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\30                                               2\240' /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40: s                                               et: +� invalid option set: usage: set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o option]                                                 [arg ...] bob@EasyStreet:~> ----------------------------------------------------------- So then I went in and moved the larger files (two sizes) and moved them to /temp/temp. Image p5150410 (noted above) was the first image of the latger sizes. Then I ran the same command again and this is what I got: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:  : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:  : command not found + $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' /usr/bin/convert -quality 70 -geometry 800x600 '/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp/*.jpg' '/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelimages/*.jpg' /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39:  : command not found + set $'+x\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40: set: +� invalid option set: usage: set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o option] [arg ...] bob@EasyStreet:~> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (No mention of the specific photo) Then I changed the "from directory in the script to temp/temp and ran the command again. This is what I got: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- bob@EasyStreet:~> /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickC onvert Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:   : command not found + $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240'                                                /usr/bin/convert -quality 70 -geometry 800x600 /                                               home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp/temp/p51                                               50410.jpg /home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/ca                                               rlouelimages/p5150410.jpg /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39:                                                 : command not found + set $'+x\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\30                                               2\240' /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40: s                                               et: +� invalid option set: usage: set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o option]                                                 [arg ...] bob@EasyStreet:~> ----------------------------------------------------------------- (The specific photo, first in the series of larger photos, is mentioned again. But otherwis the result look identical to me, except I don't know what I am looking at) Starting to get frustrating. Looks like I need to do these images one x one in Gimp or Image Magick. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 28 23:08:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T38Ntc003334 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:08:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4T38NZ3003333 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:08:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T38NhA003329 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:08:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T38Mur002478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:08:23 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T38DW3003965 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:08:13 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4T388d8028477 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 23:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 23:07:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script In-Reply-To: <200505282231.20537.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:27, Eben King wrote: > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > > > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 08:40, sean@hogston.com wrote: > > > > ok I have one last thing to try and then i'm out of suggestions. > > > > for the convert line change it to be /usr/bin/convert instead of > > > > just convert. I suggest this only because it is using /bin/sh and > > > > MAYBE when the script is running it does not find the convert > > > > command. I have noticed this in some of my scripts so I usually > > > > make it a habbit to either put the full path to the command or > > > > set it as a variable. > > > > > > OK, added /usr/bin/  in front of the convert line. Didn't help. > > > Still the same errors.  Thanks for trying to help. If you can think > > > of anything else I am all ears. > > > > Put "set -x"/"set +x" above and below the call to "convert" to see > > what it's _really_ calling, how it's being called, and when the > > errors occur.  Then, adjust your response depending on what it says. > > If it were not able to find "convert" (which adding "/usr/bin/" would > > fix) then the error would be something about "command not found". > > Eben, > > Please excuse my ignorance. Put the whole "set -x"/"set +x" above and > below the convert line or the "set -x" above and the /"set +x" below. > (minus the quotes ?? )  The backslash is confusing. Like you did. > I put a set -x above and a set +x below and this is what i got: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   > : command not found Did it acttually print "Â" (A+Circumflex, 0xC2, compose ^ A), or is that meant to be something else? > + $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' > $'\302\240'                                                /usr/bin/convert That too. > + set $'+x\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\30                                               > 2\240' That looks Perlish. > et: +� invalid option That too -- did it print that? > set: usage: set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o option] Rather, given that error, it looks like it's Perl but instead it's being interpreted by the shell. > Starting to get frustrating. Looks like I need to do these images one x > one in Gimp or Image Magick. Dunno. It would be quite helpful if you bundled up the script and a log of what you did, and what response you got (no retyping, as that can introduce errors), put it on your web space, and posted the URL. Make changes to the script if you want, but include a new copy of the script then. PS: "/" is a slash, "\" is a backslash. Linux uses a slash to indicate directory levels. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 01:33:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T5X2p4004394 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:33:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4T5X2SA004393 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:33:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T5X1f8004385 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:33:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T5X0BV008988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:33:00 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T5Wmvs013228 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:32:48 -0400 Received: from pool-37.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.217] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11e/96) id 36H5000 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:32:09 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:29:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505290130.00018.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.275, required 6, AWL -0.85, BAYES_20 -1.43) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4T5X1f8004386 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 May 2005 23:07, Eben King wrote: > > > Put "set -x"/"set +x" above and below the call to "convert" to > > > see what it's _really_ calling, how it's being called, and when > > > the errors occur.  Then, adjust your response depending on what > > > it says. If it were not able to find "convert" (which adding > > > "/usr/bin/" would fix) then the error would be something about > > > "command not found". > > > > Eben, > > > > Please excuse my ignorance. Put the whole "set -x"/"set +x" above > > and below the convert line or the "set -x" above and the /"set +x" > > below. (minus the quotes ?? )  The backslash is confusing. > > Like you did. OK, Good. I am beginning to learn. > > > I put a set -x above and a set +x below and this is what i got: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   > > > > : command not found > > Did it acttually print "Â" (A+Circumflex, 0xC2, compose ^ A), or is > that meant to be something else? No ! nothing like that in the outgoing message to the list. > > > + $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' > > $'\302\240'                                     > >            /usr/bin/convert > > That too. ??????? I don't see anything like that in what I posted. Hmmm...and why am I seeing these capital A's with the little thingy on top. I certainly did not send them. At least it does not show up in the out-going message. > > > + set $'+x\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\30             > >                                   2\240' > > That looks Perlish. > > > et: +� invalid option > > That too -- did it print that? No, And I double checked what went out in the post. Nothing in the message that was copied from the console like that at all. > > > set: usage: set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o option] Yes, that is correct. > > Rather, given that error, it looks like it's Perl but instead it's > being interpreted by the shell. Eben, Don't know why or how you could be seeing that stuff that I did not send. Just ran it again and here is the result: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:   : command not found /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:   : command not found + $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' /usr/bin/convert -quality 70 -geometry 800x600 ' /home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/temp/*.jpg' '/home/bob/WebPages/PorschePilots/fog/carlouelima ges/*.jpg' /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 39:   : command not found + set $'+x\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\302\240' $'\30 2\240' /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 40: s et: +� invalid option set: usage: set [--abefhkmnptuvxBCHP] [-o option] [arg ...] bob@EasyStreet:~> ------------------------------------------------------------ > Dunno. It would be quite helpful if you bundled up the script and a > log of what you did, and what response you got (no retyping, as that > can introduce errors), put it on your web space, and posted the URL. > Make changes to the script if you want, but include a new copy of the > script then. Dunno either. Can't believe you got lines that I did not send. I hope the direct command that I copied from the console comes through properly this time. Let me know and if necessary I will upload it to the webpage. > > PS: "/" is a slash, "\" is a backslash. Linux uses a slash to > indicate directory levels. OK, was pretty sure I knew that. Kind of basic. Your use of the slash kind of confused me in whether I was supposed to use it or not in the command. If I need to put it up on the web page I will do so. Not sure that will be productive or not. This SHOULD be simple. Just convert a batch of photo sizes to be used in COMPOSING a page. Bob S. PS Others who offered help originally are free to jump in and offer advice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 02:30:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6Uo0A004787 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4T6Uo0W004786 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6UoOf004782 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6Uo9p010584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:50 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6UaaJ000948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 19254 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 06:30:36 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 06:30:36 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1C9E112535B; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:18:42 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script Message-ID: <20050529061841.GO30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200505282231.20537.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200505282231.20537.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.087, required 6, AWL -0.56, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 10:31:20PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:27, Eben King wrote: > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > > I put a set -x above and a set +x below and this is what i got: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   > : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:   > : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:   > : command not found > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:   > : command not found Bob: There's a really serious anomaly here. As you run this, you're a "command not found" error on lines 34 through 37. But here's the problem: if you count down, some of those lines contain nothing, so there's no reason you should be getting that error. Moreover, if the error was occurring on lines where there's actual code, you shouldn't get that error but a different one. And the set +x would give you a some_command: command not found rather than just : command not found I just ran a test on something. Check to see if this file was created under DOS or Windows. Better, find a hex editor or something that will look at the file in hex. Actually the "less" command should do this. Just type: less /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert or whatever the name of the script is. If you see some stuff in there that looks like this: ^M then the file was created under DOS and will not run properly under Linux. In fact, you may well get exactly the error you're getting. The reason is this: under DOS, a line termination is carriage return and then linefeed. Under Mac, a line termination is just a carriage return. Under Linux and Unix, it's just a linefeed. When Linux/Unix sees a carriage return in certain places in a script, it gets confused. I won't explain why unless you just want to know. Suffice it to say, it's a problem. Do what I said above and let us know if the file contains those ^M (carriage return) characters. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 02:30:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6Usw3004794 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4T6Us7K004793 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6Ur3G004789 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6UrZ0010588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:53 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T6Ua0w028661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:30:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 19252 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 06:30:36 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 06:30:36 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 314C112535C; Sun, 29 May 2005 02:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:22:41 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] ibiblio question Message-ID: <20050529062240.GP30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.192, required 6, AWL -1.28, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Used to be, you could get any open source software from metalab.unc.edu. Then they changed the name to ibiblio. When you downloaded software from sourceforge, one of the download options was ibiblio. This was good because it was close (North Carolina) and it was the old metalab. Now, I never see ibiblio as a choice when I go to download something from sourceforge. Anyone know why? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 04:42:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T8gsNk005894 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:42:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4T8gswm005893 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:42:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T8gsrq005889 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:42:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4T8grUm018011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:42:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.ij.net (smtp3.ij.net [207.100.203.151]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4T8gaif015659 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 04:42:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 33236 invoked by uid 0); 29 May 2005 08:42:36 -0000 Received: from paddy@ij.net by smtp.ij.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (clamscan: 0.73. 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(209.216.68.135) by smtp3-ij.ij.net with SMTP; 29 May 2005 08:42:36 -0000 Message-ID: <4299807B.80006@ij.net> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 04:42:35 -0400 From: paddy User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ibiblio question References: <20050529062240.GP30362@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050529062240.GP30362@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.232, required 6, AWL 1.67, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >Used to be, you could get any open source software from metalab.unc.edu. >Then they changed the name to ibiblio. When you downloaded software from >sourceforge, one of the download options was ibiblio. This was good >because it was close (North Carolina) and it was the old metalab. Now, I >never see ibiblio as a choice when I go to download something from >sourceforge. Anyone know why? > >Paul > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Paul; Look here, in the upper right hand corner. More Linux than you would care to examine. http://www.ibiblio.org/ Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 06:03:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TA3fxA006419 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:03:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TA3fuJ006418 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:03:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TA3eLL006414 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:03:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TA3eAh021433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:03:40 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TA3KFe008106 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 06:03:20 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so902534rne for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:03:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KNJWC1iZjgfqd00NITeDvlRbiwKouSJov95l33GFqpQuTP0sAFU8Tzyv1DinWWA+2PNhOMM5LTgnBPcdMZrF/cTDjP68YCLer/+HYPwZJXE3BFrt4r+OwdNwBeAoHVYiJl49IizlBn06j5F5C2lxwnzBm9I/yvJXMtk0MXwQEtA= Received: by 10.38.104.24 with SMTP id b24mr1312573rnc; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 03:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 06:03:19 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Inserting the entire SLUG list archives into MySQL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4TA3eLL006415 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net For a long time, I've had a mysql database of the entire SLUG mailing list in MySQL. Well, at least the slug mailing list since I subscribed. Well, that was lost in my semi-recent disk crash. Thus I downloaded the MBOX data from the nks archives and I've re-writeten my script to insert into sql. Said script is running now, very fast. But it'll take a while to finish. Right now it says: Folder: 103, Message: 15521 There are about 250 folders. I think I could even put a web interface on this to make it easier to search. But first I'm doing a statistical analysis of something. Anyway, if anyone is interested, I'll show 'em the code and stuff at the St. Pete meeting this monday. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 07:37:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TBbKTg007073 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 07:37:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TBbKX4007072 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 07:37:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TBbK0i007068 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 07:37:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TBbGQR024620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 07:37:20 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TBb09K024297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 07:37:01 -0400 Received: from 653415hfc196.tampabay.res.rr.com ([65.34.15.196]:34592 helo=[192.168.1.5]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DcM61-00065N-Vv for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 May 2005 07:36:46 -0400 Message-ID: <4299A928.5040700@roblimo.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 07:36:08 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ibiblio question References: <20050529062240.GP30362@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050529062240.GP30362@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.281, required 6, AWL -2.08, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >Used to be, you could get any open source software from metalab.unc.edu. >Then they changed the name to ibiblio. When you downloaded software from >sourceforge, one of the download options was ibiblio. This was good >because it was close (North Carolina) and it was the old metalab. Now, I >never see ibiblio as a choice when I go to download something from >sourceforge. Anyone know why? > I believe it's because the ibiblio SF.net mirror is so often swamped. (I just checked, and it's refusing connections again.) In theory, the SF mirror list you see at any moment shows servers that are less-used than most, so you have the best chance of a smooth, fast download. Someone ought to write an article about this. Since I'm a SourceForge.net insider and ibiblio.org founder/head Paul Jones is a friend, I suppose that "someone" ought to be me. Give me a week or two. Kind of busy with upcoming book, "Point & Click OpenOffice.org," at the moment. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 09:56:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TDu1mA007989 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:56:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TDu1aY007988 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:56:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TDu03f007984 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:56:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TDu0oc029085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:56:00 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TDtikF024910 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:55:44 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4TDtgd8002222 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 09:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 09:54:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ibiblio question In-Reply-To: <4299A928.5040700@roblimo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Used to be, you could get any open source software from metalab.unc.edu. >Then they changed the name to ibiblio. When you downloaded software from >sourceforge, one of the download options was ibiblio. This was good >because it was close (North Carolina) and it was the old metalab. Now, I >never see ibiblio as a choice when I go to download something from >sourceforge. Anyone know why? I get the choice of Internap in Atlanta. Isn't that closer by internet? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 10:49:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TEn1be008381 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:49:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TEn1OM008380 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:49:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TEn0qA008376 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:49:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TEn02X030617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:49:00 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TEmkqN025182 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:48:46 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4TEmhEh005354 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 10:47:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script In-Reply-To: <20050529061841.GO30362@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 10:31:20PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > > I put a set -x above and a set +x below and this is what i got: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   > > : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:   > > : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:   > > : command not found > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:   > > : command not found > > Bob: > > There's a really serious anomaly here. As you run this, you're a > "command not found" error on lines 34 through 37. But here's the > problem: if you count down, some of those lines contain nothing, so > there's no reason you should be getting that error. Moreover, if the > error was occurring on lines where there's actual code, you shouldn't > get that error but a different one. And the set +x would give you a > > some_command: command not found > > rather than just > > : command not found > > I just ran a test on something. Check to see if this file was created > under DOS or Windows. Doing a "save as" counts as creation usually. Sometimes looking at it with a particularly rude Windows editor does too. > Better, find a hex editor or something that will look at the file in hex. vim 6.1.165 will -- look for "[dos]" in the lower left corner -- and so will od: [eben@pc eben]$ od -t x1z testfile vv vv vv vv vv vv 0000000 74 68 69 73 0d 0a 69 73 0d 0a 61 0d 0a 74 65 73 >this..is..a..tes< 0000020 74 0d 0a 66 69 6c 65 0d 0a >t..file..< ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ 0x0d=CR 0x0a=LF If they come in pairs, you have a DOS text file. > Actually the "less" command should do this. My version of less: [eben@pc eben]$ less -V less 358+iso254 doesn't show the format. > The reason is this: under DOS, a line termination is carriage return and > then linefeed. Back in the days of teletypes, at the end of each line, the print head had to be sent back to the beginning of the line, and the paper had to be advanced one line. The order didn't matter. But to save time, a Carriage Return (CR) was sent to tell the print head to return to the left, and while it was on its way (slow), a Line Feed (LF) was sent to advance the paper (fast). > Under Mac, a line termination is just a carriage return. Under Linux and > Unix, it's just a linefeed. When Linux/Unix sees a carriage return in > certain places in a script, it gets confused. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 11:46:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TFkk6B008790 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:46:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TFkkfw008789 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:46:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TFkkG1008785 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:46:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TFketc032144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:46:45 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TFkN6o030939 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:46:23 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4TFkLEh025787 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script In-Reply-To: <200505290130.00018.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Saturday 28 May 2005 23:07, Eben King wrote: > > > > > Put "set -x"/"set +x" above and below the call to "convert" to > > > > see what it's _really_ calling, how it's being called, and when > > > > the errors occur.  Then, adjust your response depending on what > > > > it says. If it were not able to find "convert" (which adding > > > > "/usr/bin/" would fix) then the error would be something about > > > > "command not found". > > > > > > I put a set -x above and a set +x below and this is what i got: > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert > > > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   > > > > > > : command not found > > > > Did it acttually print "Â" (A+Circumflex, 0xC2, compose ^ A), or is > > that meant to be something else? > > No ! nothing like that in the outgoing message to the list. OK, your mailreader is inserting 0xC2 as some sort of escape character. Now that you've quoted them, each A+Circumflex has turned into A+Circumflex ^B A+Circumflex. Looks like you're using KMail 1.8. Can you use a different mailreader, or put the output in your web space? > > Dunno. It would be quite helpful if you bundled up the script and a > > log of what you did, and what response you got (no retyping, as that > > can introduce errors), put it on your web space, and posted the URL. > > Make changes to the script if you want, but include a new copy of the > > script then. > Dunno either. Can't believe you got lines that I did not send. I hope > the direct command that I copied from the console comes through > properly this time. Let me know and if necessary I will upload it to > the webpage. I like the "file has CR-LF where it should have LF" hypothesis. > > PS: "/" is a slash, "\" is a backslash. Linux uses a slash to > > indicate directory levels. > > OK, was pretty sure I knew that. Kind of basic. Your use of the slash > kind of confused me in whether I was supposed to use it or not in the > command. No prob. Sorry to be unclear. > If I need to put it up on the web page I will do so. Not sure that will be > productive or not. This SHOULD be simple. Just convert a batch of photo > sizes to be used in COMPOSING a page. How about something like: for file in "$@" ; do djpeg < "$file" | pnmscale -xsize 640 | cjpeg -o > "${file%jpg}processed.jpg done No error-checking, width=640 fixed, suffix="jpg", format=JPEG, but other than that... Those things can be changed, at the expense of complexity. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar LIBRA: A big promotion is just around the corner for someone much more talented than you. Laughter is the very best medicine, remember that when your appendix bursts next week. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 12:29:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TGTLO6009136 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:29:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TGTLRV009135 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:29:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TGTKvA009131 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:29:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TGTKhH000749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:29:20 -0400 Received: from lakermmtao08.cox.net (lakermmtao08.cox.net [68.230.240.31]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TGTCUf004006 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:29:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by lakermmtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050529162912.PWLR18139.lakermmtao08.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:29:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 11:24:19 -0400 From: T Michael Hast User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.795, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying to see exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated machine. How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like to put two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I don't really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 13:10:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THAsah009380 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:10:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4THAsFg009379 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:10:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THAraF009375 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:10:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THArmx001835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:10:53 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THARZE007160 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:10:27 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so2153505nzp for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:10:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZAZXhpeM7mWHw2l0e364XFWZ04oy7XEjoSkFWIPVn3BDhYvI0sm44yEpS9VSjC0GcM6EYiE3DpYMjVqs5lOQ+8gfX5PRRUCgChlkl/4fujyVj8JLh5HW7BQYulFDDgw0GPEWnSazLsWpWq8E5X+mxg7zF10R9EQ00yF+/LGGjSM= Received: by 10.36.154.10 with SMTP id b10mr297932nze; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.12.19 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860505291010240f249a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:10:27 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? In-Reply-To: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.428, required 6, AWL 1.47, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4THAraF009376 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote: > Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at > you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed > and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying to see > exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated machine. > How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like to put > two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I don't > really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help would be > appreciated. Thanks, Michael First a dual head agp card will be off to a good start. or two pci video cards... or a pci dual head card or a agp and pci card though if you run any games on this it not reccommend to have agp and pci setup. 2 crts will also help While I am not a big gentoo fan I do love there guides very well writen. I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors it is a great read on how to setup your config file. By the way what distrobution are you using? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 13:49:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THnEmV009680 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:49:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4THnEJ2009679 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:49:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THnEtp009675 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:49:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THnD33002928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:49:13 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4THmtob018360 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:48:56 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1127029rng for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=odpvlW+B1dMgEcewULGNCuXVIn4LWdv3O2MCATB5X4arveSDLWYAk1TDYLFnTb7e8T1yDSQa/bFAuRWkV9YJv3aHS1oAjuz2qknFG3AyOGQ0M9W9nmPNlSwpsz5h9rtQF89C9AY6rX06bRTbmO1a9kfaW7N1XjSnRl4yTaSVcO0= Received: by 10.38.68.14 with SMTP id q14mr5263628rna; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.151.33 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705052910481533292e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:48:55 -0400 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? In-Reply-To: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.622, required 6, AWL 0.28, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4THnEtp009676 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From the uncle... OK guys I hope I did not make a mistake but I think you get a pretty good idea that my nephew is a "hot convert"... On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote: > Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at > you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed > and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying to see > exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated machine. > How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like to put > two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I don't > really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help would be > appreciated. Thanks, Michael Now, putting replies where they should be... Here are some for you to take a look at... http://ghj.sunsite.dk/index.php?1=articles/1/dual_head.html&article=1 http://aufrecht.org/blog/one-entry?entry_id=23251 Google is your friend here. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 14:34:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIYExH009998 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:34:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TIYEL2009997 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:34:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIYEol009993 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:34:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIYEOr004323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:34:14 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIY4Q1023654 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:34:04 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1040983rne for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mhSqOwWfuAETolc9aQ5nobDtLY88VAUsiG/Zhs7LSFwAjf9AfvkjRULarQQhS8q2qy3DcUd7yafLTs2CeaRXLNbEJP7fgaFEnpaxCRtqj8+iLa0PL0tDrorAeBJbNrJIbpmUsDNOKkOLkarOzVQVrZenr1Yztc7DD02Zijen5so= Received: by 10.38.150.60 with SMTP id x60mr1393357rnd; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b05052911346972698@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:34:02 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? In-Reply-To: <620c905705052910481533292e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4167_4443558.1117391642382" References: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> <620c905705052910481533292e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.662, required 6, AWL 0.76, BAYES_01 -1.52, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_4167_4443558.1117391642382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It's really not hard to do. Lots of good tutorials on google. Search for=20 xinerama. Basically, with 2 cards and 2 monitors, it's just extra lines in= =20 xorg.conf or whatever your X config file is. You'll probably want things=20 like Gnome or KDE and X11 compiled with xinerama support. I think a lot of= =20 binary distros have it included by default. If you use gentoo, just add=20 "xinerama" to your USE flags in /etc/make.conf before you install said=20 applications. The gentoo tutorial mentioned before is good. I am a fan of gentoo, best= =20 distro ever. :) NF=20 On 5/29/05, Chuck Hast wrote:=20 >=20 > From the uncle... OK guys I hope I did not make a mistake but I think you > get a pretty good idea that my nephew is a "hot convert"... >=20 > On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote: > > Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at > > you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed > > and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying to see > > exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated machine. > > How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like to put > > two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I don't > > really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help would be > > appreciated. Thanks, Michael >=20 >=20 > Now, putting replies where they should be... >=20 > Here are some for you to take a look at... > http://ghj.sunsite.dk/index.php?1=3Darticles/1/dual_head.html&article=3D1 > http://aufrecht.org/blog/one-entry?entry_id=3D23251 >=20 >=20 > Google is your friend here. >=20 > -- > Chuck Hast > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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It's really not hard to do. Lots of good tutorials on google. Search f= or xinerama. Basically, with 2 cards and 2 monitors, it's just extra lines = in xorg.conf or whatever your X config file is. You'll probably want things= like Gnome or KDE and X11 compiled with xinerama support. I think a l= ot of binary distros have it included by default. If you use gentoo, just a= dd "xinerama" to your USE flags in /etc/make.conf before you inst= all said applications.
 
The gentoo tutorial mentioned before is good. I am a fan of gentoo, be= st distro ever. :)
 
NF 

 
On 5/29/05, = Chuck Hast <wchast@gmail.com= > wrote:
From the uncle... OK guys I hope= I did not make a mistake but I think you
get a pretty good idea that my= nephew is a "hot convert"...

On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast <evylrobot19@cox.net> wrote:
> Hey, everybody.  My= uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at
> you. &nb= sp;I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed
> and even thrilled with how modern it runs.  I'm kind of = trying to see
> exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an= updated machine.
> How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen syst= em?  I'd like to put
> two crt's on this thing.  Probably running seperate desk= tops.  I don't
> really know where to start, seeing how I a= m a newbie.  Any help would be
> appreciated.  Th= anks, Michael


Now, putting replies where they should be...

Here are some for you to take a look at...
http:/= /ghj.sunsite.dk/index.php?1=3Darticles/1/dual_head.html&article=3D1=
http://aufrecht.org/blog/one-entry?entry_id=3D23251


Google i= s your friend here.

--
Chuck Hast
To paraphrase my flight inst= ructor;
"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resultin= g in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of tornand twisted metal."

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Knowledge Systems (NKS).  Views and opinions expressed in mes= sages
posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the<= br>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.

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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 14:40:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIeO5w010053 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TIeOUb010052 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIeO0d010048 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIeNUP004481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:23 -0400 Received: from lakermmtao11.cox.net (lakermmtao11.cox.net [68.230.240.28]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIe7qd024192 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by lakermmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050529184007.BTCA28600.lakermmtao11.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:07 -0400 Message-ID: <4299FD52.9060408@cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:35:14 -0400 From: T Michael Hast User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? References: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> <31f129860505291010240f249a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f129860505291010240f249a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: >On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote: > > >>Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at >>you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed >>and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying to see >>exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated machine. >>How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like to put >>two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I don't >>really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help would be >>appreciated. Thanks, Michael >> >> > >First a dual head agp card will be off to a good start. > >or two pci video cards... > >or a pci dual head card > >or a agp and pci card though if you run any games on this it not >reccommend to have agp and pci setup. > >2 crts will also help > >While I am not a big gentoo fan I do love there guides very well writen. > >I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors it is a >great read on how to setup your config file. > > >By the way what distrobution are you using? > > > > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> >> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Currently I'm running Knoppix 3.7. On my next machine I'd like to run one of the bigger, fancier distros, but this is doing nicely here so far. I've only got two pci slots in this poor old mule, so I gues a dual-head card would be a must there. Is the agp slot the really big one? I've got one of those, I think. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 14:41:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIf2V2010069 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:41:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TIf2GT010068 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:41:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIf2Yv010064 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:41:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIf20A004530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:41:02 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.206]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIemDf014062 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:48 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1042813rne for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:40:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=o/49fbQRAgRVGWColkvcNVhBMPJg9Mqr8bRgA+BzR1d6CR0mkdG1WaEeOub08sZzEskYynMTi4yEZxW0wjKrNZMJ9NDlddEA30sjS/M+BQYNNpBUgOm4Iwe9DXunCKnro3VjWRJn2vrbGIf+4IjcrLzFo+abjC1yskQvdfGejIE= Received: by 10.38.75.4 with SMTP id x4mr1391094rna; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b05052911403179745a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:40:47 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? In-Reply-To: <2bfca21b05052911346972698@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4175_7696983.1117392047901" References: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> <620c905705052910481533292e@mail.gmail.com> <2bfca21b05052911346972698@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_4175_7696983.1117392047901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I forgot to say what the lines you have to add to xorg.conf are in the last= =20 email. Basically, once once you have your 2 screens set up, one for each=20 video card/monitor combo, let's call them screen0 and screen1, in the=20 ServerLayout section, you would do something like: Screen 0 "Screen0" LeftOf "Screen1" Screen 1 "Screen1" 0 0 LeftOf can also be RightOf, and some other options but most likely you wan= t=20 one of those. Also you will probably want Option "Xinerama" "On" Option "Clone" "Off" Turning Clone to On will make it so the same thing is shown on both=20 displays. Typically not what you want. -NF On 5/29/05, Nicholas Finzer wrote:=20 >=20 > It's really not hard to do. Lots of good tutorials on google. Search for= =20 > xinerama. Basically, with 2 cards and 2 monitors, it's just extra lines i= n=20 > xorg.conf or whatever your X config file is. You'll probably want things= =20 > like Gnome or KDE and X11 compiled with xinerama support. I think a lot o= f=20 > binary distros have it included by default. If you use gentoo, just add= =20 > "xinerama" to your USE flags in /etc/make.conf before you install said=20 > applications.=20 > The gentoo tutorial mentioned before is good. I am a fan of gentoo, best= =20 > distro ever. :) > NF=20 >=20 > On 5/29/05, Chuck Hast wrote:=20 > >=20 > > From the uncle... OK guys I hope I did not make a mistake but I think= =20 > > you > > get a pretty good idea that my nephew is a "hot convert"...=20 > >=20 > > On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote: > > > Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler= =20 > > at > > > you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am=20 > > impressed=20 > > > and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying to see > > > exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated machine= . > > > How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like to put= =20 > > > two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I don't > > > really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help would= =20 > > be > > > appreciated. Thanks, Michael > >=20 > >=20 > > Now, putting replies where they should be...=20 > >=20 > > Here are some for you to take a look at... > > http://ghj.sunsite.dk/index.php?1=3Darticles/1/dual_head.html&article= =3D1 > > http://aufrecht.org/blog/one-entry?entry_id=3D23251 > >=20 > >=20 > > Google is your friend here. > >=20 > > -- > > Chuck Hast > > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my goin= g=20 > >=20 > > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > > and twisted metal." > >=20 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked= =20 > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_4175_7696983.1117392047901 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I forgot to say what the lines you have to add to xorg.conf are in the= last email. Basically, once once you have your 2 screens set up, one for e= ach video card/monitor combo, let's call them screen0 and screen1, in the S= erverLayout section, you would do something like:
 
Screen      0  "Screen0" LeftO= f "Screen1"
Screen      1  "Screen1" 0 0 
LeftOf can also be RightOf, and some other options but most likely you= want one of those.
 
Also you will probably want
 
Option "Xinerama" "On"
Option "Clone" "Off"
 
Turning Clone to On will make it so the same thing is shown on both di= splays. Typically not what you want.
 
-NF

 
On 5/29/05, = Nicholas Finzer <nfinzer@gmail.= com> wrote:
It's really not hard to do. Lots of good tutorials on google. Search f= or xinerama. Basically, with 2 cards and 2 monitors, it's just extra lines = in xorg.conf or whatever your X config file is. You'll probably want things= like Gnome or KDE and X11 compiled with xinerama support. I think a l= ot of binary distros have it included by default. If you use gentoo, just a= dd "xinerama" to your USE flags in /etc/make.conf before you inst= all said applications.=20
 
The gentoo tutorial mentioned before is good. I am a fan of gentoo, be= st distro ever. :)
 
NF 

 
On 5/29/05, = Chuck Hast <wchast@gmail.com= > wrote: =20
From the uncle... OK guys I hope= I did not make a mistake but I think you
get a pretty good idea that my= nephew is a "hot convert"...=20

On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast <evylrobot19@cox.net> wrote:
> Hey, everybody.  My= uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at
> you.  I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, = and am impressed
> and even thrilled with how modern it runs. &= nbsp;I'm kind of trying to see
> exactly what this thing is capable o= f before I get an updated machine.
> How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system?  I'= d like to put
> two crt's on this thing.  Probably running= seperate desktops.  I don't
> really know where to start, = seeing how I am a newbie.  Any help would be
> appreciated.  Thanks, Michael


Now, putting re= plies where they should be...

Here are some for you to take a look = at...
http://ghj.sunsite.dk/index.php?1=3Darticles/1/dual_head.html&article= =3D1
http://aufrecht.org/blog/one-entry?entry_id=3D23251


Google is your friend here.

--
Chuck Hast
To p= araphrase my flight instructor;
"the only dumb question is the one = you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your b= its and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."

---------------------------------------= --------------------------------
This list is provided as an unmoderated= internet service by Networked
Knowledge Systems (NKS).  View= s and opinions expressed in messages
posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the
of= ficial policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.
<= /div>

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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 14:54:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIsUYS010144 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:54:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TIsUed010143 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:54:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIsUGd010139 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:54:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIsUK3004912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:54:30 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TIsDp8024915 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 14:54:13 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1046468rne for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jOM5zNYlq6URfDIB+fQSSlw8hWGXMYgNe660GHkSk42bC2nFssJ5ekFnMvTaJSle+y61UezkiT2wh4tn2aGoAKTccRaBDp/RhCApPANAUPyGDuiL2nYBNa3GhnqaRqORaLJXikNZ/vXNFjz+hbWwsl+ZW2+IIKzd56OAg0q1kAQ= Received: by 10.38.89.40 with SMTP id m40mr1391261rnb; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b050529115420081486@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:54:13 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? In-Reply-To: <4299FD52.9060408@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4179_1652398.1117392853598" References: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> <31f129860505291010240f249a@mail.gmail.com> <4299FD52.9060408@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.659, required 6, AWL 0.67, BAYES_20 -1.43, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_4179_1652398.1117392853598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Really big and black is probably ISA. If it's too old, you won't have AGP.= =20 AGP will be brown, and pushed back a little from the others. It will also b= e=20 the top-most of the slots. NF On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote:=20 >=20 > Robert Snyder wrote: >=20 > >On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote: > > > > > >>Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at > >>you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed > >>and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying to see > >>exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated machine. > >>How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like to put > >>two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I don't > >>really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help would be > >>appreciated. Thanks, Michael > >> > >> > > > >First a dual head agp card will be off to a good start. > > > >or two pci video cards... > > > >or a pci dual head card > > > >or a agp and pci card though if you run any games on this it not > >reccommend to have agp and pci setup. > > > >2 crts will also help > > > >While I am not a big gentoo fan I do love there guides very well writen. > > > >I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors it is a > >great read on how to setup your config file. > > > > > >By the way what distrobution are you using? > > > > > > > > > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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I've got one of those, I think. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_4179_1652398.1117392853598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Really big and black is probably ISA. If it's too old, you won't have = AGP. AGP will be brown, and pushed back a little from the others. It will a= lso be the top-most of the slots.
 
NF

 
On 5/29/05, = T Michael Hast <evylrobot19@c= ox.net> wrote:
Robert Snyder wrote:

>= On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast <evylr= obot19@cox.net > wrote:
>
>
>>Hey, everybody.  My un= cle who lives in Florida convinced me to holler at
>>you. &nb= sp;I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am impressed
&g= t;>and even thrilled with how modern it runs.  I'm kind of try= ing to see
>>exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated m= achine.
>>How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system?&nbs= p; I'd like to put
>>two crt's on this thing.  Prob= ably running seperate desktops.  I don't
>>really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. &nbs= p;Any help would be
>>appreciated.  Thanks, Michael
&= gt;>
>>
>
>First a dual head agp card will be off t= o a good start.
>
>or two pci video cards...
>
>or a pci dual head car= d
>
>or a agp and pci card though if you run any games on this = it not
>reccommend to have agp and pci setup.
>
>2 crts w= ill also help
>
>While I am not a big gentoo fan I do love there guides very= well writen.
>
>I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors   it is a
>great read on how to setup your config file.
= >
>
>By the way what distrobution are you using?
>
= >
>
>
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Currently I'm running Knoppix 3.7.  On my nex= t machine I'd like to run
one of the bigger, fancier distros, but this i= s doing nicely here so
far.  I've only got two pci slots in th= is poor old mule, so I gues a
dual-head card would be a must there.  Is the agp slot the re= ally big
one?  I've got one of those, I think.
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 15:02:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ29wp010213 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:02:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TJ29gE010212 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:02:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ29l1010208 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:02:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ28K4005154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:02:09 -0400 Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net (lakermmtao09.cox.net [68.230.240.30]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ1uUq007576 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:01:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by lakermmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050529190150.YSKN6804.lakermmtao09.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:01:50 -0400 Message-ID: <429A026A.3090106@cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:56:58 -0400 From: T Michael Hast User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? References: <4299DEA3.7010705@cox.net> <31f129860505291010240f249a@mail.gmail.com> <4299FD52.9060408@cox.net> <2bfca21b050529115420081486@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2bfca21b050529115420081486@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.175, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Nicholas Finzer wrote: > Really big and black is probably ISA. If it's too old, you won't have > AGP. AGP will be brown, and pushed back a little from the others. It > will also be the top-most of the slots. > > NF > > > On 5/29/05, *T Michael Hast* > wrote: > > Robert Snyder wrote: > > >On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast > wrote: > > > > > >>Hey, everybody. My uncle who lives in Florida convinced me to > holler at > >>you. I've got Knoppix running on an old 500mh Celeron, and am > impressed > >>and even thrilled with how modern it runs. I'm kind of trying > to see > >>exactly what this thing is capable of before I get an updated > machine. > >>How difficult is it to set up a multi-screen system? I'd like > to put > >>two crt's on this thing. Probably running seperate desktops. I > don't > >>really know where to start, seeing how I am a newbie. Any help > would be > >>appreciated. Thanks, Michael > >> > >> > > > >First a dual head agp card will be off to a good start. > > > >or two pci video cards... > > > >or a pci dual head card > > > >or a agp and pci card though if you run any games on this it not > >reccommend to have agp and pci setup. > > > >2 crts will also help > > > >While I am not a big gentoo fan I do love there guides very well > writen. > > > >I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors > it is a > >great read on how to setup your config file. > > > > > >By the way what distrobution are you using? > > > > > > > > > >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked > >>Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >>posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >>official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > >> > >> > >> > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > Currently I'm running Knoppix 3.7. On my next machine I'd like to run > one of the bigger, fancier distros, but this is doing nicely here so > far. I've only got two pci slots in this poor old mule, so I gues a > dual-head card would be a must there. Is the agp slot the really big > one? I've got one of those, I think. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > okay. It's an ISA then. Tried to run an ethernet card there, but the card was pretty well fried, apparently. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 15:08:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ82VJ010253 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:08:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TJ81c7010248 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:08:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ81Km010244 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ80B1005332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJ7reX021600 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:07:53 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4TJ7pd8006704 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:06:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? In-Reply-To: <4299FD52.9060408@cox.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Robert Snyder wrote: > > >I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors it is a > >great read on how to setup your config file. > > > >By the way what distrobution are you using? > > > Currently I'm running Knoppix 3.7. On my next machine I'd like to run > one of the bigger, fancier distros, but this is doing nicely here so > far. I've only got two pci slots in this poor old mule, so I gues a > dual-head card would be a must there. Is the agp slot the really big > one? I've got one of those, I think. It's usually brown, and has two rows of contacts, one above the other. Top slot (lower two are PCI): http://www.tweak.pl/ilustracje/kt333_kt400/msi/agp_s.jpg Items in there will show up as PCI devices, to wit: [root@pc root]# lspci ... 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0181 (rev c1) (Recent? All?) AGP cards have higher bandwidth (and hence faster video) than PCI cards. The only things that can go into AGP (Advanced Graphics Port) slots are graphic cards. Unless you have a good reason not to, if you're buying a video card and you have an AGP slot, use it. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 15:16:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJG9fu010351 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:16:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TJG9BS010350 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:16:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJG6As010321 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:16:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJG1UZ005508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:16:03 -0400 Received: from lakermmtao12.cox.net (lakermmtao12.cox.net [68.230.240.27]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJFpf5022193 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:15:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by lakermmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050529191550.UDTF10612.lakermmtao12.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:15:50 -0400 Message-ID: <429A05B1.9080405@cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:10:57 -0400 From: T Michael Hast User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.465, required 6, AWL -1.74, BAYES_20 -1.43, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: >On Sun, 29 May 2005, T Michael Hast wrote: > > > >>Robert Snyder wrote: >> >> >> >>>I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors it is a >>>great read on how to setup your config file. >>> >>>By the way what distrobution are you using? >>> >>> >>> >>Currently I'm running Knoppix 3.7. On my next machine I'd like to run >>one of the bigger, fancier distros, but this is doing nicely here so >>far. I've only got two pci slots in this poor old mule, so I gues a >>dual-head card would be a must there. Is the agp slot the really big >>one? I've got one of those, I think. >> >> > >It's usually brown, and has two rows of contacts, one above the other. > >Top slot (lower two are PCI): > >http://www.tweak.pl/ilustracje/kt333_kt400/msi/agp_s.jpg > >Items in there will show up as PCI devices, to wit: > >[root@pc root]# lspci >... >01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 0181 (rev c1) > >(Recent? All?) AGP cards have higher bandwidth (and hence faster video) >than PCI cards. The only things that can go into AGP (Advanced Graphics >Port) slots are graphic cards. Unless you have a good reason not to, if >you're buying a video card and you have an AGP slot, use it. > > > Maybe I should focus more on updating the machine itself before I play with that stuff so I have more options on that stuff. I don't know though. If the right deal on a pci card just fell straight in my lap... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 15:21:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJLOfR010403 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:21:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TJLOhF010402 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJLOR5010398 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJLNeK005669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:21:24 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJL7rl029069 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:21:07 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1053836rne for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=h6RjLY5oxsz0pAQH+C1QFlqP/RPy4BQ0rvKe6avqll99jjfkAcYsnrxOXeToxIR5AVQCf0VGTeD6TIohfYbzIbI9ilmBA3DsTnXJqwwRb0V/xgmetLMRWFxc/1KDHAx/xgsaw/xpV3AFQVTfXgZDE/krguYDLiY8MnFegJr2yj8= Received: by 10.38.89.40 with SMTP id m40mr1396092rnb; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.209.48 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2bfca21b050529122124b6f6b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:21:07 -0400 From: Nicholas Finzer To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] multi-head-system??? In-Reply-To: <429A05B1.9080405@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4191_7006982.1117394467451" References: <429A05B1.9080405@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.282, required 6, AWL -0.38, BAYES_40 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_4191_7006982.1117394467451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline A decent PCI video card shouldn't be very expensive, if you can find one.= =20 Modern video cards are usually AGP or PCI-Express On 5/29/05, T Michael Hast wrote:=20 >=20 > Eben King wrote: >=20 > >On Sun, 29 May 2005, T Michael Hast wrote: > > > > > > > >>Robert Snyder wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors it is a > >>>great read on how to setup your config file. > >>> > >>>By the way what distrobution are you using? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Currently I'm running Knoppix 3.7. On my next machine I'd like to run > >>one of the bigger, fancier distros, but this is doing nicely here so > >>far. I've only got two pci slots in this poor old mule, so I gues a > >>dual-head card would be a must there. Is the agp slot the really big > >>one? I've got one of those, I think. > >> > >> > > > >It's usually brown, and has two rows of contacts, one above the other. > > > >Top slot (lower two are PCI): > > > >http://www.tweak.pl/ilustracje/kt333_kt400/msi/agp_s.jpg > > > >Items in there will show up as PCI devices, to wit: > > > >[root@pc root]# lspci > >... > >01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device=20 > 0181 (rev c1) > > > >(Recent? All?) AGP cards have higher bandwidth (and hence faster video) > >than PCI cards. The only things that can go into AGP (Advanced Graphics > >Port) slots are graphic cards. Unless you have a good reason not to, if > >you're buying a video card and you have an AGP slot, use it. > > > > > > > Maybe I should focus more on updating the machine itself before I play > with that stuff so I have more options on that stuff. I don't know > though. If the right deal on a pci card just fell straight in my lap... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_4191_7006982.1117394467451 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline A decent PCI video card shouldn't be very expensive, if you can find one. M= odern video cards are usually AGP or PCI-Express

On 5/29/05, = T Michael Hast <evylrobot19@c= ox.net> wrote:
Eben King wrote:

>On S= un, 29 May 2005, T Michael Hast wrote:
>
>
>
>>R= obert Snyder wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I suggest you read http://gentoo-wiki.com/H= OWTO_Dual_Monitors  it is a
>>>great read on how = to setup your config file.
>>>
>>>By the way what distrobution are you using?=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Currently I'm r= unning Knoppix 3.7.  On my next machine I'd like to run
>&g= t;one of the bigger, fancier distros, but this is doing nicely here so
>>far.  I've only got two pci slots in this poor old mu= le, so I gues a
>>dual-head card would be a must there.  = ;Is the agp slot the really big
>>one?  I've got one of = those, I think.
>>
>>
>
>It's usually brown, and has two rows of contact= s, one above the other.
>
>Top slot (lower two are PCI):
>= ;
> http://www.tweak.pl/ilustracje/kt333_kt400/msi/agp_s.jpg
>
>= ;Items in there will show up as PCI devices, to wit:
>
>[root@p= c root]# lspci
>...
>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia = Corporation: Unknown device 0181 (rev c1)
>
>(Recent?  All?) AGP cards have higher bandwidth (= and hence faster video)
>than PCI cards.  The only things t= hat can go into AGP (Advanced Graphics
>Port) slots are graphic cards= .  Unless you have a good reason not to, if
>you're buying a video card and you have an AGP slot, use it.
>= ;
>
>
Maybe I should focus more on updating the machine itse= lf before I play
with that stuff so I have more options on that stuff.&n= bsp; I don't know
though.  If the right deal on a pci card just fell straight i= n my lap...
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 15:29:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJT5Sj010468 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:29:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TJT5Pq010467 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:29:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJT5JE010463 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:29:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJT4v2005855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:29:05 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TJSr6k029736 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 15:28:53 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1055869rne for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LlYNPS7oUyHfxBQrirg3s1FGz9l8P4r8YC9U0tpcNYogEkVTJsXmxyCDa0eCoXU/UfSB16m9Ojz2whPO9/694E3Pwda3dvcnU7dUPTMCUR8zfWgcn+8uMF/w09upeDcuuL8NBdsPX+wK/nwziGFVTi0ecm7UDsReT+jHddJBo4Q= Received: by 10.38.101.64 with SMTP id y64mr1398535rnb; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.30 with HTTP; Sun, 29 May 2005 12:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 15:28:53 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Re: Inserting the entire SLUG list archives into MySQL In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.355, required 6, AWL 0.55, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4TJT5JE010464 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/05, Dylan Hardison wrote: > For a long time, I've had a mysql database of the entire SLUG mailing > list in MySQL. Well, at least the slug mailing list since I > subscribed. Well, that was lost in my semi-recent disk crash. Thus I > downloaded the MBOX data from the nks archives and I've re-writeten my > script to insert into sql. Said script is running now, very fast. Oh, rather, there was only 130ish folders to parse. All the .lock files that were created confused me. Oops. Anyway, already found out some interesthing stats about the mailing list. Right now I'm trying to write something that traverses the threads (using MessageId and In-Reply-To:). The most popular email clients for this list seem to be: Mozilla, Evolution, and Mutt. This number is rather rough, as the MUAs tend to have very verbose user agent strings, often including major, minor, and sub-minor numbers, dates, or CVS numbers. Does anyone but me find this interesting? :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 18:46:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TMkJFc011820 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:46:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4TMkJl2011819 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:46:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TMkJX9011815 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:46:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TMkJQ4011403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:46:19 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4TMjatk008641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:45:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 15289 invoked from network); 29 May 2005 22:45:36 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 22:45:36 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2DB7512535B; Sun, 29 May 2005 18:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 18:32:56 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ibiblio question Message-ID: <20050529223255.GQ30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <4299A928.5040700@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.539, required 6, AWL -0.63, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 09:54:36AM -0400, Eben King wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > >Used to be, you could get any open source software from metalab.unc.edu. > >Then they changed the name to ibiblio. When you downloaded software from > >sourceforge, one of the download options was ibiblio. This was good > >because it was close (North Carolina) and it was the old metalab. Now, I > >never see ibiblio as a choice when I go to download something from > >sourceforge. Anyone know why? > > I get the choice of Internap in Atlanta. Isn't that closer by internet? Geographically, it's closer. But ibiblio/metalab was "old reliable". Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 23:14:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3Ex4x013621 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:14:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4U3Exs4013620 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:14:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3Exxa013616 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:14:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3Exw4018936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:14:59 -0400 Received: from lakermmtao05.cox.net (lakermmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3EioY026900 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:14:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by lakermmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20050530031444.DSLX13442.lakermmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:14:44 -0400 Message-ID: <429A75EC.9090109@cox.net> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 22:09:48 -0400 From: T Michael Hast User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041007 Debian/1.7.3-5 X-Accept-Language: us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug list Subject: [SLUG] dual-head knoppix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.175, required 6, AWL -0.00, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The video cards that I've found that will do a dual-head have one VGA, one S-video, and one DVI-I connection. If I want to run two crt's, can I plug one to the VGA on the motherboard, and the other to the card, or would I need two cards, or another monitor that doesn't use a VGA port? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 23:38:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3cjMK013846 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:38:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4U3cjr7013845 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:38:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3cjvT013841 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:38:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3ciI6019536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:38:44 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3cOqx029038 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:38:25 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.118.138]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IHA001HJA3UMLV1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 May 2005 22:38:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:37:58 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual-head knoppix In-reply-to: <429A75EC.9090109@cox.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <429A8A96.7040901@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <429A75EC.9090109@cox.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.29, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, DNS_FROM_RFCI_DSN 0.29) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net T Michael Hast wrote: > The video cards that I've found that will do a dual-head have one VGA, > one S-video, and one DVI-I connection. If I want to run two crt's, > can I plug one to the VGA on the motherboard, and the other to the > card, or would I need two cards, or another monitor that doesn't use a > VGA port? No simply you can get a dvi to vga conector to slove this issue. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 29 23:47:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3lYaA013920 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4U3lYkp013919 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3lXOH013914 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3lXC7019864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:33 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U3lHti020651 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:17 -0400 Received: from [67.9.19.240] (240-19.9-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.9.19.240]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4U3lFlu021784 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 23:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <429A8D14.2070308@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 23:48:36 -0400 From: Anthony Harper User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2-1.3.3 (X11/20050513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Hardware Giveaway Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.6, required 6, J_CHICKENPOX_75 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Apologies if this is double-posted. I don't think it made it through the first attempt. Giving away two OLD PCs. One is Franklin Ace 500 (Apple ][ clone). 12" monochrome monitor(green phosphor), keyboard/mainboard combo. No HD, 5.25in floppy drive. System should be fully operable if you can find any bootable media for it. Next up is IBM PS/2 Model 25. Mainboard integrated into monitor base. Huge and heavy PS/2 keyboard(compatible with modern PS/2 keyboards. System will also accept and use a PS/2 mouse. 3.5in floppy drive non-functional, I believe the read/write head is damaged in some way. System will boot to DOS if hard drive is connected, loads into IBM Basic if HD disconnected. Includes a printer cable, but no printer, looks like a serial port. System also includes a "Gamecard III Plus" joystick expansion card, which doesn't seem to fit properly into the riser board slot. Oh, and Leisure Suit Larry is installed, although I can't seem to configure the video drivers to run it. :-( Anyone interested should email me off-list. Be aware that you'll have to come get it in Pinellas Park. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 30 01:45:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U5juMN014720 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:45:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4U5juMJ014719 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:45:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U5juI7014715 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:45:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U5jteL025490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:45:55 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U5jhRL027902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:45:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 15759 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 05:45:39 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 05:45:39 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 52BF112535B; Mon, 30 May 2005 01:37:03 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050530053703.52BF112535B@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 01:37:03 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.158, required 6, AWL 0.74, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 30 May 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) Panera Bread 1908 4th St North St Petersburg, FL 33704 See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#stpete for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 2 June 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 4 June 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 7 June 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 21 June 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Coffee & Tea Co. 1419 5th St (5th and Central) Sarasota, FL 34236 See http://www.sarasotacoffee.com/contactus.htm for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 25 June 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 30 02:42:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U6g4H0015133 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:42:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4U6g4C8015131 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:42:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U6g3mE015123 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:42:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U6g3IJ027287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:42:03 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4U6fkWr021120 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:41:46 -0400 Received: from pool-48.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.228] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11e/96) id 36MX400 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 02:41:10 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 02:03:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505282231.20537.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050529061841.GO30362@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050529061841.GO30362@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505300203.08009.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.439, required 6, AWL -0.92, BAYES_01 -1.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4U6g3mE015124 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 29 May 2005 02:18, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 10:31:20PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:27, Eben King wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > > I put a set -x above and a set +x below and this is what i got: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Running /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 34:   > > > > : command not found > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 35:   > > > > : command not found > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 36:   > > > > : command not found > > > > /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert: line 37:   > > > > : command not found > > Bob: > > There's a really serious anomaly here. As you run this, you're a > "command not found" error on lines 34 through 37. But here's the > problem: if you count down, some of those lines contain nothing, so > there's no reason you should be getting that error. Moreover, if the > error was occurring on lines where there's actual code, you shouldn't > get that error but a different one. And the set +x would give you a > > some_command: command not found > > rather than just > > : command not found > > I just ran a test on something. Check to see if this file was created > under DOS or Windows. Better, find a hex editor or something that > will look at the file in hex. Actually the "less" command should do > this. Just type: > > less /home/bob/commands/ImageMagickConvert > > or whatever the name of the script is. If you see some stuff in there > that looks like this: > > ^M > > then the file was created under DOS and will not run properly under > Linux. In fact, you may well get exactly the error you're getting. > The reason is this: under DOS, a line termination is carriage return > and then linefeed. Under Mac, a line termination is just a carriage > return. Under Linux and Unix, it's just a linefeed. When Linux/Unix > sees a carriage return in certain places in a script, it gets > confused. I won't explain why unless you just want to know. Suffice > it to say, it's a problem. > > Do what I said above and let us know if the file contains those ^M > (carriage return) characters. > > Paul Paul, Ran the "less" command. There is nothing of which you speak. FYI I got the script from the SuSE list. I am positive it was created in Linux. Have a thought. I copied the script from the email message and then modified it using Kwrite. During that process I added line feeds etc. and deleted lines and seemingly unimportant spaces. I would think that a text editor like Kwrite would add the proper LF and nothing else. Question is: Is it critical for the amount of spaces/ tabs before or after a line remain exactly as in the original ?? I notice that in most scripts the first character in subsequent lines are spaced back from the actual start of the line. Maybe I should just create the script by hand using the original as a guide rather than taking the original and simply modifying it. Bob S. PS Stick with me Paul & Eben. I want to solve this. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 30 09:01:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UD17XU017857 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:01:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4UD17Gf017856 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:01:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UD17VQ017852 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:01:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UD16vQ010115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:01:07 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UD0jVx019040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:00:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 24856 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 13:00:45 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 13:00:44 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 75D0812535B; Mon, 30 May 2005 08:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:57:53 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script Message-ID: <20050530125753.GR30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200505282231.20537.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050529061841.GO30362@quillandmouse.com> <200505300203.08009.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200505300203.08009.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.718, required 6, AWL -1.72, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 02:03:07AM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > On Sunday 29 May 2005 02:18, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 10:31:20PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:27, Eben King wrote: > > > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > Do what I said above and let us know if the file contains those ^M > > (carriage return) characters. > > > > Paul > > Paul, > > Ran the "less" command. There is nothing of which you speak. FYI I got > the script from the SuSE list. I am positive it was created in Linux. > > Have a thought. I copied the script from the email message and then > modified it using Kwrite. During that process I added line feeds etc. > and deleted lines and seemingly unimportant spaces. I would think that > a text editor like Kwrite would add the proper LF and nothing else. > > Question is: Is it critical for the amount of spaces/ tabs before or > after a line remain exactly as in the original ?? I notice that in most > scripts the first character in subsequent lines are spaced back from > the actual start of the line. > > Maybe I should just create the script by hand using the original as a > guide rather than taking the original and simply modifying it. > Spacing isn't particularly import in scripts, neither vertical nor horizontal. I'm very puzzled that you didn't find anything odd. You should have, and I'll still bet there's something there we aren't seeing. Your comments highlight one of the reasons programmers/coders don't use things like Kwrite for writing scripts and programs. Programs like that are often geared to writing word processing documents and the like, and consequently insert formatting codes that make scripts and programs impossible to compile and run. I think Eben also mentioned at one point that your email client may be messing with the content one way or another. I agree, you should recreate the script in something that won't mess with the content. There are tons of programs like this, designed strictly to output straight text. Most of them are console programs. There are vi, emacs, nano, pico, joe, vim, etc. etc. My biggest caution here would be to ensure you copy things very exactly. One misspelling, and you'll have a different problem than the one you have now. Spacing isn't important vertically, but horizontally, it can be. Inserting a space where one wasn't could wreck the script. Removing spaces where they are already could do the same thing. Adding spaces where they already exist (assuming they're not within quotes) would be okay. Let us know what happens. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 30 09:31:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UDVbDE018091 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:31:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4UDVbr5018090 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:31:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UDVbti018086 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:31:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UDVaMC011008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:31:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UDV8Hh028349 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:31:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.100] (24285hfc156.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.28.5.156]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4UDV6lu019271 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 09:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "R.G. Mayhue" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:32:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200505282231.20537.rnr@sanctum.com> <200505300203.08009.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050530125753.GR30362@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050530125753.GR30362@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505300932.01387.rmayhue@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.431, required 6, AWL -0.00, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 May 2005 08:57 am, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 02:03:07AM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > On Sunday 29 May 2005 02:18, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 10:31:20PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 21:27, Eben King wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 25 May 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > > > > > > Do what I said above and let us know if the file contains those ^M > > > (carriage return) characters. > > > > > > Paul > > > > Paul, > > > > Ran the "less" command. There is nothing of which you speak. FYI I got > > the script from the SuSE list. I am positive it was created in Linux. > > > > Have a thought. I copied the script from the email message and then > > modified it using Kwrite. During that process I added line feeds etc. > > and deleted lines and seemingly unimportant spaces. I would think that > > a text editor like Kwrite would add the proper LF and nothing else. > > > > Question is: Is it critical for the amount of spaces/ tabs before or > > after a line remain exactly as in the original ?? I notice that in most > > scripts the first character in subsequent lines are spaced back from > > the actual start of the line. > > > > Maybe I should just create the script by hand using the original as a > > guide rather than taking the original and simply modifying it. > > > > Spacing isn't particularly import in scripts, neither vertical nor > horizontal. > > I'm very puzzled that you didn't find anything odd. You should have, and > I'll still bet there's something there we aren't seeing. > > Your comments highlight one of the reasons programmers/coders don't use > things like Kwrite for writing scripts and programs. Programs like that > are often geared to writing word processing documents and the like, and > consequently insert formatting codes that make scripts and programs > impossible to compile and run. I think Eben also mentioned at one point > that your email client may be messing with the content one way or > another. > > I agree, you should recreate the script in something that won't mess > with the content. There are tons of programs like this, designed > strictly to output straight text. Most of them are console programs. > There are vi, emacs, nano, pico, joe, vim, etc. etc. My biggest caution > here would be to ensure you copy things very exactly. One misspelling, > and you'll have a different problem than the one you have now. Spacing > isn't important vertically, but horizontally, it can be. Inserting a > space where one wasn't could wreck the script. Removing spaces where > they are already could do the same thing. Adding spaces where they > already exist (assuming they're not within quotes) would be okay. > > Let us know what happens. > > Paul Kwrite would not be the problem here. Kwrite is a text editor _with_ syntax highlighting etc. More of a programmer's editor then anything else. It does not do rich text or any other type of formatting. Actually coding is what kwrite/kate do the best. I would not suspect kwrite here. I copied the script from the original post and it runs without errors on my system. -- Rob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 30 10:29:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UETFEx018486 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:29:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4UETEn7018485 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UETEnb018481 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UETEI6012779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UET01H010129 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:29:00 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4UESwGL023918 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 10:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:27:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script In-Reply-To: <20050530125753.GR30362@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I agree, you should recreate the script in something that won't mess > with the content. There are tons of programs like this, designed > strictly to output straight text. Most of them are console programs. > There are vi, emacs, nano, pico, joe, vim, etc. etc. Unless you want to learn vi(m) or emacs, I recommend a WYSIWYG editor, such as nano, pico, nedit, etc. Be sure to tell it _not_ to wrap long lines. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 30 17:44:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ULilp0021377 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 17:44:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4ULil45021376 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 May 2005 17:44:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ULik1E021372 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 17:44:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ULik2P026136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 17:44:46 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4ULiKhL015035 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 17:44:20 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4ULiHd7017420 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 17:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013201c56560$bcb791e0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Robert Foxworth" To: References: <20050530053703.52BF112535B@hobbes.mars.lan> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 17:44:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.09, required 6, AWL -1.09, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > 7 June 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second TUESDAY of each month) Hmm, my calendar says this would be the 14th. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 30 19:30:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UNUtOJ022120 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:30:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4UNUtSw022119 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:30:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UNUtgG022115 for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:30:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UNUsVr029246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:30:54 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4UNUh5I022859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:30:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 19817 invoked from network); 30 May 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 30 May 2005 23:30:42 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 91B6312535B; Mon, 30 May 2005 19:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 19:19:51 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-ID: <20050530231951.GT30362@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20050530053703.52BF112535B@hobbes.mars.lan> <013201c56560$bcb791e0$0f49490a@fifteen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <013201c56560$bcb791e0$0f49490a@fifteen> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.888, required 6, AWL -0.36, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 05:44:20PM -0400, Robert Foxworth wrote: > > > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > > > 7 June 19:00-21:00 Tampa > > (second TUESDAY of each month) > > > Hmm, my calendar says this would be the 14th. I can't think why it would have been changed to the 1st Tuesday for a single month, so I'll assume it's my mistake. Mario, if the above date is _correct_ you'd better let me know before the next meeting announcement. Otherwise, I'm changing it to the 14th. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 00:13:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4DRfS024021 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:13:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4V4DQhg024020 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:13:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4DQZ6024016 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:13:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4DQ35005986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:13:26 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4D7qf014615 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:13:07 -0400 Received: from pool-43.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.223] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.11e/96) id 36SWL00 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:12:41 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script - Solved Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 00:10:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505310010.26286.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.627, required 6, AWL -1.63, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 30 May 2005 10:27, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 30 May 2005, Paul M Foster wrote: > > I agree, you should recreate the script in something that won't > > mess with the content. There are tons of programs like this, > > designed strictly to output straight text. Most of them are console > > programs. There are vi, emacs, nano, pico, joe, vim, etc. etc. > > Unless you want to learn vi(m) or emacs, I recommend a WYSIWYG > editor, such as nano, pico, nedit, etc. Be sure to tell it _not_ to > wrap long lines. Eben, Paul, Rob and others who kindly tried to help me with this strange problem. It is finally solved but I really don't know why. Has to do with some strange hidden commands unseen in the script. I discovered it when I posted the script to a webpage for Eben to look at. And it only showed up in the webpage composer. When I put the script text onto the webpage composer I noticed some strange html markup in the script. Grey vertical lines before and after text within the script. Tonight I took the script text that Paul had composed an put it on an html page in the webpage composer. Same strange grey vertical lines in the html markup. So, there was something in there that was hidden even to Paul. So I edited the markup and removed those strange lines, saved it as a regular file with kwrite, and lo & behold, the script worked !!!! Really strange ! Have no idea what that could have been. Probably should have viewed the html. Might have told me what it was. I saved that script and when I have the time (soon, I hope) (Got to get all those converted images up for the webpage) I will do it again to see if I can find what it was. Hmmm...a new way to view errant scripts for errors. I really want to thank all of you for your patience and perseverance in trying to track down this strange problem. (probably caused by my inexperience and lack of knowledge in an area that is new to me ) What a great group of people !! Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 00:46:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4kGk0024291 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:46:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4V4kG7P024290 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:46:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4kGo5024286 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:46:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4kGBf007890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:46:16 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V4jdgn011928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:45:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 5932 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 04:45:38 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 04:45:38 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6DD2512535B; Tue, 31 May 2005 00:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 00:44:22 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script - Solved Message-ID: <20050531044422.GA28829@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200505310010.26286.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200505310010.26286.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:10:26AM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > On Monday 30 May 2005 10:27, Eben King wrote: > > On Mon, 30 May 2005, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > I agree, you should recreate the script in something that won't > > > mess with the content. There are tons of programs like this, > > > designed strictly to output straight text. Most of them are console > > > programs. There are vi, emacs, nano, pico, joe, vim, etc. etc. > > > > Unless you want to learn vi(m) or emacs, I recommend a WYSIWYG > > editor, such as nano, pico, nedit, etc. Be sure to tell it _not_ to > > wrap long lines. > > Eben, Paul, Rob and others who kindly tried to help me with this strange > problem. > > It is finally solved but I really don't know why. Has to do with some > strange hidden commands unseen in the script. I discovered it when I > posted the script to a webpage for Eben to look at. And it only showed > up in the webpage composer. > > When I put the script text onto the webpage composer I noticed some > strange html markup in the script. Grey vertical lines before and after > text within the script. Tonight I took the script text that Paul had > composed an put it on an html page in the webpage composer. Same > strange grey vertical lines in the html markup. So, there was something > in there that was hidden even to Paul. Glad you got this solved! I checked the copy of the script I sent you privately in hex before sending it. There was nothing untoward about it, nothing there that shouldn't have been. Your response then tells me two things. First, there _was_ something hidden in your original script (not the one I sent you); I was incorrect in thinking that it was carriage returns. Second, your email setup is hacking this stuff up. You mentioned in an email to me that running the copy of the script I sent you gave you the same errors. Since I can vouch for what left my machine by email, something happened to it between the time it arrived at your machine and the time you tried to run it, that put errant characters in it. Assuming you simply saved the attachment I sent you to disk (note: saving an attachment is not the same as cutting and pasting), possibly gave it executable permissions, and then ran it, it could only be your email setup that's messing with the content. I don't use Kmail, so I don't know what crimes it's capable of. But you might want to check your settings. (Theoretically, it could be your POP server on the internet, or any other email plumbing you have on your machine, like procmail or SpamAssassin. But I'd opt first for Kmail.) Anyway, at least you got it solved and learned some stuff in the process. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 01:15:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V5Funl024457 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:15:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4V5Fuk6024456 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:15:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V5FtN6024452 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:15:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V5Ft98009083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:15:55 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4V5FbNA032273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:15:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 9250 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 05:15:37 -0000 Received: from pool-71-98-161-81.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.98.161.81) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 31 May 2005 05:15:37 -0000 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 436F212535B; Tue, 31 May 2005 01:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 01:01:20 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script - Solved Message-ID: <20050531050120.GB28829@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200505310010.26286.rnr@sanctum.com> <20050531044422.GA28829@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050531044422.GA28829@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.121, required 6, AWL -1.12, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:44:22AM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:10:26AM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > On Monday 30 May 2005 10:27, Eben King wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 May 2005, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > I agree, you should recreate the script in something that won't > > > > mess with the content. There are tons of programs like this, > > > > designed strictly to output straight text. Most of them are console > > > > programs. There are vi, emacs, nano, pico, joe, vim, etc. etc. > > > > > > Unless you want to learn vi(m) or emacs, I recommend a WYSIWYG > > > editor, such as nano, pico, nedit, etc. Be sure to tell it _not_ to > > > wrap long lines. > > > > Eben, Paul, Rob and others who kindly tried to help me with this strange > > problem. > > > > It is finally solved but I really don't know why. Has to do with some > > strange hidden commands unseen in the script. I discovered it when I > > posted the script to a webpage for Eben to look at. And it only showed > > up in the webpage composer. > > > > When I put the script text onto the webpage composer I noticed some > > strange html markup in the script. Grey vertical lines before and after > > text within the script. Tonight I took the script text that Paul had > > composed an put it on an html page in the webpage composer. Same > > strange grey vertical lines in the html markup. So, there was something > > in there that was hidden even to Paul. > > Glad you got this solved! > > I checked the copy of the script I sent you privately in hex before > sending it. There was nothing untoward about it, nothing there that > shouldn't have been. Your response then tells me two things. First, > there _was_ something hidden in your original script (not the one I sent > you); I was incorrect in thinking that it was carriage returns. Second, > your email setup is hacking this stuff up. You mentioned in an email to > me that running the copy of the script I sent you gave you the same > errors. Since I can vouch for what left my machine by email, something > happened to it between the time it arrived at your machine and the time > you tried to run it, that put errant characters in it. ACH! I was completely wrong here! I was puzzled after sending this message, so I took _one more look_ at the script copy I sent you. I had originally looked at it in hex, but not thoroughly enough. Interspersed in the file are hex A0 (sic) characters in some of the beginnings of the lines. This is like a space character with the high bit set, or an accented "a" in the IBM character set. But it doesn't show up in my editor (nano), nor in my email client (mutt), nor in the less command. Bash is seeing this character and thinking it's the name of a command, then giving you the errors you got. My apologies. I should have looked more carefully at your original script and the copy I sent you. Both have this problem. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 08:31:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VCVQ3I027583 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:31:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4VCVQax027582 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:31:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VCVP1x027578 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:31:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VCVPbF026581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:31:25 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VCV2pE014055 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:31:03 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4VCV0b7004919 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 08:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script - Solved In-Reply-To: <20050531050120.GB28829@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:44:22AM -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:10:26AM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > > It is finally solved but I really don't know why. Has to do with some > > > strange hidden commands unseen in the script. I discovered it when I > > > posted the script to a webpage for Eben to look at. And it only showed > > > up in the webpage composer. > > > > Glad you got this solved! > > > Interspersed > in the file are hex A0 (sic) characters in some of the beginnings of the > lines. This is like a space character with the high bit set, or an > accented "a" in the IBM character set. It is, from iso-8859-1(7): Oct Dec Hex Char Description --------------------------------------- 240 160 A0 NO-BREAK SPACE -- "Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century, which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as Poland." - Unknown from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 10:35:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VEZfVQ028387 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:35:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4VEZfqX028386 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:35:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VEZf2e028382 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:35:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VEZe9G030675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:35:40 -0400 Received: from web54107.mail.yahoo.com (web54107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.242]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4VEZ7TN008598 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:35:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 49587 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2005 14:35:05 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=ak6gGN2mdJFgyYZiRKnDiIUx0MawLClZIK/jwZK55wBOu1Xv2upw5FDAYtnnO5lJOyj/jPFIl3EZc7CBo4iZJWDyjkde0BDj2/MCEWHjq2qcZSihOJdWR/ucOuvdkLY546FWD4HGePdMbP1G//ydL8Blq58tjhyehrlLSLgZAGo= ; Message-ID: <20050531143505.49585.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.174.185.223] by web54107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2005 07:35:05 PDT Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 07:35:05 -0700 (PDT) From: tuorum musica Subject: Re: [SLUG] Bash Script - Solved To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: 6667 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Also useful is cat -v, which should have converted this to some other character pair. (appologies if this was missing, I just recently joined and caught this thread in the middle). Andy --- Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:44:22AM -0400, Paul M > Foster wrote: > > > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:10:26AM -0400, Bob Stia > wrote: > > > > > On Monday 30 May 2005 10:27, Eben King wrote: > > > > On Mon, 30 May 2005, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > I agree, you should recreate the script in > something that won't > > > > > mess with the content. There are tons of > programs like this, > > > > > designed strictly to output straight text. > Most of them are console > > > > > programs. There are vi, emacs, nano, pico, > joe, vim, etc. etc. > > > > > > > > Unless you want to learn vi(m) or emacs, I > recommend a WYSIWYG > > > > editor, such as nano, pico, nedit, etc. Be > sure to tell it _not_ to > > > > wrap long lines. > > > > > > Eben, Paul, Rob and others who kindly tried to > help me with this strange > > > problem. > > > > > > It is finally solved but I really don't know > why. Has to do with some > > > strange hidden commands unseen in the script. I > discovered it when I > > > posted the script to a webpage for Eben to look > at. And it only showed > > > up in the webpage composer. > > > > > > When I put the script text onto the webpage > composer I noticed some > > > strange html markup in the script. Grey vertical > lines before and after > > > text within the script. Tonight I took the > script text that Paul had > > > composed an put it on an html page in the > webpage composer. Same > > > strange grey vertical lines in the html markup. > So, there was something > > > in there that was hidden even to Paul. > > > > Glad you got this solved! > > > > I checked the copy of the script I sent you > privately in hex before > > sending it. There was nothing untoward about it, > nothing there that > > shouldn't have been. Your response then tells me > two things. First, > > there _was_ something hidden in your original > script (not the one I sent > > you); I was incorrect in thinking that it was > carriage returns. Second, > > your email setup is hacking this stuff up. You > mentioned in an email to > > me that running the copy of the script I sent you > gave you the same > > errors. Since I can vouch for what left my > machine by email, something > > happened to it between the time it arrived at your > machine and the time > > you tried to run it, that put errant characters in > it. > > ACH! I was completely wrong here! I was puzzled > after sending this > message, so I took _one more look_ at the script > copy I sent you. I had > originally looked at it in hex, but not thoroughly > enough. Interspersed > in the file are hex A0 (sic) characters in some of > the beginnings of the > lines. This is like a space character with the high > bit set, or an > accented "a" in the IBM character set. But it > doesn't show up in my > editor (nano), nor in my email client (mutt), nor in > the less command. > Bash is seeing this character and thinking it's the > name of a command, > then giving you the errors you got. > > My apologies. I should have looked more carefully at > your original > script and the copy I sent you. Both have this > problem. > > Paul > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 14:51:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VIpQn4030070 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:51:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4VIpQOw030069 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:51:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VIpPIN030065 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:51:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VIpPWr006485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:51:25 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.193]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VIocTd006857 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:50:38 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so40894wra for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:50:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YszopOvUsNLx8kI4misQpGAjMo8ScpZ9TySU810FMNBdljm5O4Lc6nw9YUJRgzvc8CLz6XHtXBAgtaxMebr8pdWjTSTzuXoNjYjt2ShWd5+YLiGtVZAfIheW6fnPAGb+hzgxrgMADk1WXMBGWHLVZpEi4Sx2GL9FKfI+pPdm+Wo= Received: by 10.54.47.1 with SMTP id u1mr6861520wru; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.95.17 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88f827b605053111501573d6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:50:37 -0400 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual-head knoppix In-Reply-To: <429A8A96.7040901@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <429A75EC.9090109@cox.net> <429A8A96.7040901@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.945, required 6, AWL 0.95, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4VIpQIN030066 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/05, Robert Snyder wrote: > T Michael Hast wrote: > > > The video cards that I've found that will do a dual-head have one VGA, > > one S-video, and one DVI-I connection. If I want to run two crt's, > > can I plug one to the VGA on the motherboard, and the other to the > > card, or would I need two cards, or another monitor that doesn't use a > > VGA port? > > > No simply you can get a dvi to vga conector to slove this issue. > > Most vga cards (with dvi connection) nowadays come with the dvi-->vga connector so you do not have to go searching. Makes it kinda simple. E > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 18:11:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VMBWel031368 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:11:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4VMBWMf031367 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:11:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VMBW7Y031363 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:11:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VMBV0B013093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:11:32 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VMBJ1o032321 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:11:20 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j4VMBHGL023553 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual-head knoppix In-Reply-To: <88f827b605053111501573d6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On 5/29/05, Robert Snyder wrote: > > > > No simply you can get a dvi to vga conector to slove this issue. > > Most vga cards (with dvi connection) nowadays come with the dvi-->vga > connector so you do not have to go searching. Makes it kinda simple. Are there analog pins in a DVI connector (so the card does the D->A work and all the adapter has to do is make the right connections) or is there really a D->A converter that doesn't make enough heat to worry about crammed into the adapter (in which case I'm surprised they're given out "free" with the purchase of a DVI-capable card)? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 19:13:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VND32M031788 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:13:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4VND3fp031787 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:13:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VND3Dv031783 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:13:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VND2BK014959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:13:03 -0400 Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j4VNCmg8006670 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:12:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 84847 invoked from network); 31 May 2005 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Stan) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 31 May 2005 23:12:47 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.227.40.26 Message-ID: <000c01c56636$426ec530$6601a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: Subject: [SLUG] IRC info, please... Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:12:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.883, required 6, AWL -1.46, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What's the IRC channel info , please??? (Where I wound up was not where I wanted to be...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 19:28:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VNSIVZ031954 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:28:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j4VNSIKC031953 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:28:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VNSH8i031949 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:28:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VNSHxf015415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:28:17 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j4VNR5Ks007417 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:27:05 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2549828wri for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 16:27:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TyZMQ2ke1Q1k4nj/5fmYV2ITjWIlUIW0UH3IPKDkum9iTuZnDo0yad7TxKEchm6ulF16rSlIzVF73ujGLWMaz++4a8cMokZwEhHzE0MuGNlMNyFQ23coGSIg5Ly3idN59J3z3xGggAK/Qn8aRSyMkZ+r6b8sZZrmFjV7AWDpCYQ= Received: by 10.54.35.68 with SMTP id i68mr3217784wri; Tue, 31 May 2005 16:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.35 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2005 16:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:27:04 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC info, please... In-Reply-To: <000c01c56636$426ec530$6601a8c0@Stan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000c01c56636$426ec530$6601a8c0@Stan> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.838, required 6, AWL 1.06, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j4VNSH8i031950 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net irc://irc.freenode.net/slug.fl (if the link is not clickable, connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net and join #slug.fl). On 5/31/05, James Miller wrote: > What's the IRC channel info , please??? 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 20:29:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j510T5tr032380 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:29:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j510T57M032379 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:29:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j510T4nX032375 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:29:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j510T4fu017198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:29:04 -0400 Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j510SmP8019920 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:28:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 97952 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 00:28:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Stan) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 00:28:47 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 24.227.40.26 Message-ID: <001401c56640$e0b251d0$6601a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <000c01c56636$426ec530$6601a8c0@Stan> Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC info, please... Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:28:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.908, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris lee" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC info, please... > irc://irc.freenode.net/slug.fl (if the link > is not clickable, connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net and join > #slug.fl). > > On 5/31/05, James Miller wrote: >> What's the IRC channel info , please??? 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 31 20:38:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j510cCmY032436 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:38:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j510cCDO032435 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:38:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j510cCLb032431 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:38:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j510cCY8017398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:38:12 -0400 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (astro.phpwebhosting.com [66.33.60.221]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j510btms025321 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:37:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 29278 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2005 00:37:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO adonix) (68.56.24.167) by typedef.org with SMTP; 1 Jun 2005 00:37:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (helo=flint ident=jcopenha) by adonix with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdHGC-00081C-Kt for slug@nks.net; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:39:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC info, please... From: Jason Copenhaver To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c56636$426ec530$6601a8c0@Stan> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:38:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1117586333.4539.0.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.201, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There is also #sslug on irc.shadowworld.net . I hang out in both. The #sslug is more active during the day while the #slug.fl seems more active in the evening. On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 19:27 -0400, chris lee wrote: > irc://irc.freenode.net/slug.fl (if the link > is not clickable, connect your IRC client to irc.freenode.net and join > #slug.fl). > > On 5/31/05, James Miller wrote: > > What's the IRC channel info , please??? (Where I wound up was not where I > > wanted to be...) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.