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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 1 10:13:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81EDbN5023885 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:13:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j81EDbf5023884 for slug-track29; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:13:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81EDaS1023880 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:13:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81EDall030783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:13:36 -0400 Received: from smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81EDNCv026725 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:13:23 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eNw/sbf5GEYYrTeDgIMQYXmHRqE2Vci0a1HGTD8wfAhMfSIL8u1Zf6+M/g+hTTFJ; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=[192.168.2.3]) by smtpauth06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EApog-00058M-Kq for slug@nks.net; Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:13:22 -0400 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] US Robotics set up Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:13:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200508312117.32914.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200508312229.29335.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200508312229.29335.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509011013.24997.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609a3f279db68601a08725dff946efe27cf387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.109, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_01 -1.52, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 31 August 2005 10:29 pm, Richard Smoot wrote: > On Wednesday 31 August 2005 17:21, SOTL wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I am sort of in a pickle of how to do this. > > > > If you will recall I have two computers that have the same modem in them, > > one of which will dial out and one which will not dial out. The one that > > will not dial out had a system crash and then was used on a network > > system for a while and with one monitor and two computers I have been > > slow in working on. Anyway the issue with the modem is that the system is > > not configured for the modem. Both are US Robotics 56k v2 PCI. Well to > > simplify things I finally started working on this issue again. So, I > > checked the driver being used for the functioning computer to be ttyS1. > > Now my idea was to simply copy ttyS0 and ttyS1 from one computer into the > > other and see if that solved the problem. > > > > How does one do this? That is copy ttyS0 or ttyS1 to another computer. > > I have done the following copied ttyS0 and ttyS1 from dev/ttyS0 and > > dev/S1 to /home/trunk/ttySo and /home/trunk/ttyS1 so I can not mess up > > system files. I have changed permission on both files to all. > > As root using MC I have tried to copy both files to My_Document of the MS > > side of this dual box and received error: Operation Not Permitted (1). I > > then tried command line and received the same error. > > I tried e-mailing the files out and received similar errors. > > I tried copying the files to a floppy. Files show as being copied to > > floppy but two other computers say files were not coppied. I then > > inserted blank floppie in, mounted and same files were shown to exist on > > blank floppie. I have tried CD burner but burner does not recognize > > existance of files. I have not tried dd ing files as I am not familiar > > with that command, I do have procedure for dd ing written down but from > > attempts to read floppie from command line and showing existance of files > > on blank floppie suspect that this will not be fruitful. > > > > Also, floppies being used are formated as fat32 same as file system for > > MS side which is also formated as fat32 but this should not my attempting > > to transfer by e-mail attachment. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions. > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > Which distro are you using? Well since this is my test box I have a number of setups all on individual HD in drawers. Systems include SuSE 9.2 and 10.0 Beta2 Mandrake 10.1 and LE Redhat 7.3 The operating dial up system which one can connect to the internet with has Red Hat 7.3. All have the same issue which is identical to when Red Hat 6.0 was set up on existing operating system. > Which dialer are you using? Kppp On all systems. This is what is being used on the RH 7.3 system. > I have just gone thru getting dial-up internet going for my brotherinlaw > with SUSE 9.3 Pro and a US Robotics Sportster external modem with the > Kinternet Dialer interface. I also got it to work with KPPP, but only in > root mode. Google search "Dial-up Linux" results were usefull. > > Richard Smoot Thanks for asking the questions but I was thinking of suggestions as to how to copy the file when I made the posting and ask the question. Not in how to set up the modem drivers as I had assumed that that question would only be applicable is copying the file which should be rather straight forward was not successful. Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 1 12:20:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81GKR0F024811 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:20:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j81GKRi2024810 for slug-track29; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:20:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81GKRDp024806 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:20:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81GKQId007382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:20:26 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81GKFvY029722 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:20:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j81GKCah029009 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:20:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] US Robotics set up Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:20:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508312117.32914.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200508312229.29335.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <200509011013.24997.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200509011013.24997.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509011221.00330.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Thanks for asking the questions but I was thinking of suggestions as to how > to copy the file when I made the posting and ask the question. Not in how > to set up the modem drivers as I had assumed that that question would only > be applicable is copying the file which should be rather straight forward > was not successful. > > > Thanks > Frank If the the two computers are not physically identical, copying files may not work. I got better results trying to get it to work by deleting the configuration I was trying to make work and starting clean. The ISP I was trying to connect to said to use fixed DNS numbers. When I went thru XANDROS dial-up configuration dialog it did not give me a place to put DNS numbers in, but I connected first try without them. I went back to SUSE 9.3 - deleted my old tries - configured without DNS numbers and it worked. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 1 15:32:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JWp6G026275 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:32:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j81JWpfr026274 for slug-track29; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:32:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JWoXf026270 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:32:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JWnIi022960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:32:50 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JWeej003753 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:32:40 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFC61A24587 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] US Robotics set up From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <43166244.2010109@digitalhermit.com> References: <200508312117.32914.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43166244.2010109@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:32:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1125603154.24234.17.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.279, required 6, AWL 0.87, BAYES_00 -4.90, J_CHICKENPOX_32 0.60, TW_HW 0.08, TW_MK 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 22:07 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > SOTL wrote: > > > How does one do this? That is copy ttyS0 or ttyS1 to another computer. > > I have done the following copied ttyS0 and ttyS1 from dev/ttyS0 and dev/S1 to > > /home/trunk/ttySo and /home/trunk/ttyS1 so I can not mess up system files. > > A couple things are problematic... creating the ttys0 will likely not > fix the problem. That said, you need to use the mknod command or > /dev/MAKEDEV to create the ttyS0 device node. Depending on the age of > your system you may need to consult the Linux Kernel Documentation to > determine the major and minor numbers for your particular hardware. > Otherwise, check the manpage for MAKEDEV and mknod for usage. > > To fix the problem you'll probably need to build the device module. Post > more info on the modem chipset and your distribution. Frank, Kwan is right on this. The reason you are getting errors and failures is you are trying to copy a dev node which is wrong. You probably need to build/copy the proper device driver (usually foo.o in 2.4 and foo.ko in 2.6) module and have the proper modem strings... etc. Post the model number/chip info from the modem and we'll see what we can do. I just ran through your previous thread and all you say is "The modem is a PCI internal US Robotics 56k v2 modem". Do you have the specific chipset name and or model number like "USR5600"?? How about a Device ID from hwinfo --dump-db 1?? US Robotics Vendor ID is 0x16EC. Or how about hwscan --list --modem?? Or does the device show up in kinfocenter under PCI?? We need some better info in order to tell you what to do or even to find out what files you can copy from another machine. Thanks. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 1 15:46:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JkZ56026385 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:46:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j81JkZ8t026384 for slug-track29; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:46:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JkZIE026380 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:46:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JkY34024598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:46:34 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j81JkEWE008427 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:46:14 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1D31A24587 for ; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] US Robotics set up From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1125603154.24234.17.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> References: <200508312117.32914.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43166244.2010109@digitalhermit.com> <1125603154.24234.17.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:46:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1125603974.24234.21.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.139, required 6, AWL 1.76, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 15:32 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > Or does the device show up in kinfocenter under PCI?? Oh, just in case you didn't know the command line version of this is lspci so you could do something like: lspci | grep -i robotics Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 2 19:34:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j82NYV2T006266 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:34:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j82NYVY3006265 for slug-track29; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:34:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j82NYVWO006261 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:34:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j82NYUp1014656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:34:30 -0400 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j82NYEgc016489 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:34:14 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=d+K8fmAbahYpWYgWUu9HnXI8MzyRFq7Bev3sNSbDIJ9sYkeqXDnjdfNP3Ca4vfhq; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.152.12.111] (helo=dialup-4.152.12.111.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBL2z-0000gh-JD for slug@nks.net; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:34:14 -0400 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] US Robotics set up Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:34:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200508312117.32914.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1125603154.24234.17.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> <1125603974.24234.21.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1125603974.24234.21.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509021934.11733.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c260930ddd64f97fdb58b71e1d6ac51c432f0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.152.12.111 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.207, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.90, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 01 September 2005 03:46 pm, Mike Branda wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 15:32 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > > Or does the device show up in kinfocenter under PCI?? > > Oh, just in case you didn't know the command line version of this is > lspci so you could do something like: > > lspci | grep -i robotics > > > Mike Branda Jr. > Thanks All This appears to be a bit more complicated or demanding a bit more knowledge than I first suspected.. Since I am not in Floriday for the holidays and that some of the information requested will require physical access to the equipment and my physical file cabinet continuation of this will have to wait until next week. Thanks Again Arank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 00:25:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834PEUx008549 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:25:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j834PEaW008548 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:25:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834PDWo008544 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:25:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834PCio001464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:25:13 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834OqHl005935 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:24:53 -0400 Received: from pool-41.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.221] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30g/96) id 32TDR00 for ; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:23:08 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:55:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.618, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, ONE_TIME 0.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, As many of you have probably noticed, Verizon is offering DSL for $14.95. Of course there are other charges also but they don't put any numbers on them. Do it yourself installation was $15 and the modem was free. Anyway, since it now cheaper than my dial-up I am thinking of trying it. They offer a linksys router for a $15 one time charge. I assume that is with a firewall? Figured I would go that route and put a nic in my box. Don't want wireless.The sales person was not very knowledgeable but she did state that their tech people would assist in a linux setup. So what do the Sluggers think ????? Problems, successes, warnings, etc. ? Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 00:43:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834hi1Y008660 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:43:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j834hij8008659 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:43:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834hiOX008655 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:43:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834hhpl003073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:43:44 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j834hXeP017248 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 00:43:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.05 (built Apr 28 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IM800E9K53YDN31@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:43:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 00:43:01 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431929D5.5050001@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.491, required 6, AWL -0.63, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, ONE_TIME 0.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: >Hello Sluggers, > >As many of you have probably noticed, Verizon is offering DSL for >$14.95. Of course there are other charges also but they don't put any >numbers on them. Do it yourself installation was $15 and the modem was >free. > > > It is not a linksys. it is a piece of shit westell Versalink..... People on dslr have already reported that that is what they got when signing up for the extra 15. It is really closer to 20 dollars after you get down with tax and the federal usf recovery fee >Anyway, since it now cheaper than my dial-up I am thinking of trying it. >They offer a linksys router for a $15 one time charge. I assume that is >with a firewall? Figured I would go that route and put a nic in my >box. Don't want wireless.The sales person was not very knowledgeable >but she did state that their tech people would assist in a linux setup. > > No they wont. Verizon does not even support macintosh. Not the first person there knows how to use a mac except what they read off a script. They are stupid people who dont want to hear anything about linux bsd or anything not windows. >So what do the Sluggers think ????? Problems, successes, warnings, >etc. ? > > As a long term verizon customer had dsl for almost 7 1/2 years now back when it was being beta tested in sarasota by GTE. I can say the only reason why I dont change service is A. me being lazy B. I hate comcast C. I really hate comcast D. Comcast and there invisable caps. E. Higher upload 3mbps/768k up then what comcast is offering for there base package. Also remember the price is only valid for 1 year it might go up or down after that. >Bob S. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 02:00:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8360w1d009246 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:00:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8360wqZ009245 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:00:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8360vRp009241 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:00:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8360vOi008741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:00:57 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8360iVK009648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:00:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 23836 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2005 01:00:44 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 01:00:43 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2914811EF50; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 01:45:18 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl Message-ID: <20050903054518.GR1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> <431929D5.5050001@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <431929D5.5050001@gte.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.593, required 6, AWL 0.83, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 12:43:01AM -0400, Robert Snyder wrote: > Bob Stia wrote: > > >Hello Sluggers, > > > >As many of you have probably noticed, Verizon is offering DSL for > >$14.95. Of course there are other charges also but they don't put any > >numbers on them. Do it yourself installation was $15 and the modem was > >free. > > > > > > > It is not a linksys. it is a piece of shit westell Versalink..... > People on dslr have already reported that that is what they got when > signing up for the extra 15. I don't know if Robert is right, but this is what I have on Verizon DSL. It includes wireless, which you have to turn off if you don't want to use it. As far as I know it does not include a firewall, but I could be wrong. I'd suggest a separate firewall plugged into the DSL modem. From there into a hub/switch that feeds the rest of your network. I've had no particular problems with them or the modem. I do occasionally have the signal drop. In which case, I have to reset the modem and/or the firewall. Rarely happens, though. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 02:07:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8367B3f009289 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:07:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8367ANV009288 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:07:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8367A81009284 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:07:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8367AFk009126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:07:10 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8366qwf018849 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:06:52 -0400 Received: from billspc (224-158.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.158.224]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8366nah011918 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:06:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWwQ0EDuru0tQ37SXS5PoPJ5cvwsAACXPAg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <431929D5.5050001@gte.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.455, required 6, AWL -0.45, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:43 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl > > No they wont. Verizon does not even support macintosh. Not the first > person there knows how to use a mac except what they read off a > script. They are stupid people who dont want to hear anything about > linux bsd or anything not windows. Maybe I'm grumpy but your response is offensive. Just because the people answering the phone don't know Linux or Mac OS doesn't mean they're stupid. Don't be so quick to criticize those who don't share the same knowledge base as you. Those folks answering the phones are trying to make a living, same as everyone else. On a slightly different topic, I'm having FIOS installed Tuesday. Does anyone have any experience with this service? I'm curious to see if I'll notice that much of a difference. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 02:31:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j836V27o009524 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:31:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j836V23q009523 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:31:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j836V1CO009519 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:31:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j836V1if011545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:31:01 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j836Up6w015836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:30:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 29666 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2005 01:30:50 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2005 01:30:50 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BB7BF11EF50; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 02:18:37 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl Message-ID: <20050903061837.GS1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <431929D5.5050001@gte.net> <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.526, required 6, AWL 1.37, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:06:50AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote: > On a slightly different topic, I'm having FIOS installed Tuesday. Does > anyone have any experience with this service? I'm curious to see if I'll > notice that much of a difference. I'd be curious to know how the hook it up to your house/equipment. Are they running phone through it, too? Are you getting fibre all the way to your router? Are you using it for cable as well? If so, does it go all the way to your cable box? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 03:31:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837VdLY009994 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:31:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j837VdHK009993 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:31:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837VdDC009989 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:31:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837VcPc017069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:31:39 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837VGVl014224 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:31:16 -0400 Received: from billspc (224-158.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.158.224]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j837V7ah015253 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509030731.j837V7ah015253@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:31:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWwUbN7wz7x4k+ZQv6uYIp/uhdhUwAB4wBw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <20050903061837.GS1245@quillandmouse.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.366, required 6, AWL -2.37, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Paul M Foster > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:19 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl > > On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:06:50AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > > > On a slightly different topic, I'm having FIOS installed Tuesday. Does > > anyone have any experience with this service? I'm curious to see if I'll > > notice that much of a difference. > > I'd be curious to know how the hook it up to your house/equipment. Are > they running phone through it, too? Are you getting fibre all the way to > your router? Are you using it for cable as well? If so, does it go all > the way to your cable box? > > Paul I'll know more Tuesday, but I was told when I ordered the service that my phone would be transferred over to the fiber. I was not given any options regarding tv -- I'm not sure if that's available yet from Verizon. Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 03:42:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837gcWV010073 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:42:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j837gcAR010072 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:42:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837gcvj010068 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:42:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837gbMM018094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:42:38 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837gCrh032534 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:42:12 -0400 Received: from gibson (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j837g9b6007493 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.18]); Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:42:12 -0400 Message-ID: <431953D1.7020402@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:42:09 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl References: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.403, required 6, AWL -0.40, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: >So what do the Sluggers think ????? Problems, successes, warnings, >etc. ? > > I've worked on two new customers in the last two weeks with new DSL installations. I've spent more than 4 hours on the phone with tech support (which is poor quality... and I'm not just saying that because I'm more technical than they are... really, from a customer service standpoint, they were terrible... if you really want the story, let me know and I'll email you the details) I'm pretty sure you have to have windows, because much of their software is windows only, and you have to run the software to setup the account. If you are going to be running more than one computer... it will be very slow. Well, it's ALREADY slow.. compared to my road runner, it was pathetic, however, you're getting what you pay for. The problem was running more than one computer... that REALLY slowed things down a lot. Personally, I wouldn't touch Verizon DSL with a 10 ft pole... but that's just me. I'm starting to think about turning down customers with DSL... it's not worth the hassle for me. I've had nothing but bad experiences... however, that's why my customers call me, to solve their problems.... so I guess I only get the bad cases. I don't know.. take that with grain of salt, I guess. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 03:56:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837undJ010165 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:56:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j837unhB010164 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:56:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837umWV010160 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:56:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837um7k019246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:56:48 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j837uRIH004552 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:56:27 -0400 Received: from gibson (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j837uPb6010806 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.18]); Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:56:28 -0400 Message-ID: <4319572C.7000409@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 03:56:28 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Glidden wrote: >>No they wont. Verizon does not even support macintosh. Not the first >>person there knows how to use a mac except what they read off a >>script. They are stupid people who dont want to hear anything about >>linux bsd or anything not windows. >> >> > > > >Maybe I'm grumpy but your response is offensive. Just because the people >answering the phone don't know Linux or Mac OS doesn't mean they're stupid. >Don't be so quick to criticize those who don't share the same knowledge base >as you. Those folks answering the phones are trying to make a living, same >as everyone else. > > Well, yeah, that response was a little harsh... however, I will back up what the parent post is saying. They do simply read from a script. I tried telling the tech support about 20 times that I'm a consultant, I know what I'm doing, I've tried that already, I've tried that already, I've tried that already, and so on. They make me try it anyway... that was annoying. The absolute worst thing I experienced from them, was when I was troubleshooting a new install, and I knew it was an outside line issue and told them repeatedly, the tech support person (reading from their script) finally finished every troubleshooting option (3 hours later) and finally told me he thought it was a billing issue?!?!?!? So he forwards me to billing. Mind you, it was 5:55pm when I was finally forwarded to billing. The billing rep asked me why I was forwarded to billing and I told him that tech support said it was a billing issue. The billing rep told me, and I quote "he probably sent you here because it was 6pm and his shift was up". So, I was trying to be patient and I asked if the billing rep could forward me back to tech support since it was not a billing issue... he said "I'll try, but that dept. closes at 6pm, so I might not be able to get you connected" Luckily, he got me transferred just in time before the lines went to auto response. I spent another hour on the phone with another tech support rep, who tried to make me go through the script again. I finallly asked to speak to a supervisor and I demanded that they send a service tech out here to examine the lines up to the demark. After much squaking and threatening on my part, they finally scheduled someone. So, two days later, they discovered that it was, in fact, an outside line issue.... as I told them from the beginning. Ok, I'm done ranting. Like I've said previously, I've had nothing but bad experiences with Verizon DSL. I will never endorse their services. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 07:33:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BXUMW012041 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:33:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83BXU6W012040 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:33:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BXUVm012036 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:33:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BXTp6003327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:33:30 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BXBeq014358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:33:11 -0400 Received: from 135-31.119-70.tampabay.res.rr.com ([70.119.31.135]:5986 helo=[192.168.1.11]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EBWGc-0001av-Fb for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:33:02 -0400 Message-ID: <431989EA.7080800@roblimo.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:32:58 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050802) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl References: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> <431953D1.7020402@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <431953D1.7020402@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.381, required 6, AWL -0.38) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > I'm pretty sure you have to have windows, because much of their > software is windows only, and you have to run the software to setup > the account. > If you are going to be running more than one computer... it will be > very slow. Well, it's ALREADY slow.. compared to my road runner, it > was pathetic, however, you're getting what you pay for. The problem > was running more than one computer... that REALLY slowed things down a > lot. > "All ISPs suck!" - Robert 'CmdrTaco' Malda I've had both Verizon DSL and RoadRunner. You can set up either one directly in Linux; from your router's or computer's view it's just a LAN connection with DHCP. It's like Earthlink or most other dialup ISPs; you can use their CD or you can just do the setup with KPPP, the Gnome equivalent, or with text commands. SimplyMEPIS and many other newer Linux distros will set up DSL or cable automatically for you, anyway. You may not have full use of the cable/DSL provider's home page and other services without Windows, but so it goes. I have no need to be blasted by their ads and promo offers. Note that all ISPs' (Windows only; maybe Mac/Windows) setup CDs will give you their ad page as home. If you have a problem with either one, they will want to step you through a bunch of Windows diagnostic steps because most "connection" problems are really Windows problems. Just mumble along with them, tell them you did whatever control center step they told you to do, and that you rebooted as ordered. Either that or ask for a supervisor. The front-line reps read from a script and are not hired for technical knowledge. They are told to stick to the script, period. Reality: If you hook your computer directly to the cable or DSL modem and "see" it when you run ifconfig, your stuff is okay and theirs is not. Get someone half-smart at either service (usually a supervisor or actual tech) and they should be able to ping your modem and send a line tech if they can't reach it. If both you and they can reach the modem, chances are the modem is defective. This is not hard stuff. Speed reality: Close to the telco switch, DSL is as fast as cable. A mile or more away, it's usually slower. Upload speed on DSL, though, is usually faster than cable. A popular/saturated cable loop can be slower than DSL at times, while DSL will be consistent. Both types of connections have their good points and bad points. Neither one is perfect. If you want *real* high-speed Internet, spring for T-1 or better... Scary: Brighthouse (the cable monopoly in Bradenton) failed to send us a bill for July. Thursday a guy was at our door to shut off our cable service unless we paid on the spot. We did. But if we hadn't been home at the time, I would have come home and found my Internet service shut off, which would have meant I couldn't work except through my company dialup account. We're switching to Verizon because -- say what you will about them -- they manage to get bills out on time and process them right, and will not shut your service off without warning. Sooner or later any ISP will piss you off. That is the nature of the beast. Both cable and DSL are fine when they work, but when they stop working you are going to have problems getting going again if you have a line problem, and you will have your problem longer if you expect their front-line phone reps to think instead of going through their script. And you might as well be polite to the phone reps. They don't get paid much and don't deserve your anger. If you want to be mad at someone, try the corporate officers, board of directors, and major stockholders. Thanks to Bush & crew they pay a lower percentage of taxes on their millions than the poor phone reps pay on $8 or $10 per hour, and they're the ones who set "Windows only" policies, lobby/bribe the FCC and Congress into eliminating their competition, and refuse to pay phone reps a decent salary or give them adequate training. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 07:41:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BfNdJ012109 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:41:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83BfNbD012108 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:41:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BfNQ1012104 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:41:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BfMPd003846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:41:23 -0400 Received: from baracus.dreamhost.com (baracus.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.11]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BfGIo003790 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:41:16 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-155-195.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.155.195]) by baracus.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567F4175107 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 04:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:41:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 03 September 2005 02:06, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > Maybe I'm grumpy but your response is offensive. Just because the people Yup, get over it. > answering the phone don't know Linux or Mac OS doesn't mean they're stupid. > Don't be so quick to criticize those who don't share the same knowledge > base as you. Those folks answering the phones are trying to make a living, > same as everyone else. > Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE stupid on that subject. Of course most first level support is made out of close to minimum pay people who only have to be able to read. Which has nothing to do with being valuable. We are all different and some are smarter than others. Just like smart does not equal valuable. I see you being as valuable as you help others, intelligent, dumb or otherwise. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 07:59:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BxN1k012215 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:59:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83BxN5j012214 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:59:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BxMxu012210 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:59:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83BxM7A004894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:59:22 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83Bx4TQ001738 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:59:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM800GOFPA8SM30@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 06:58:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:59:04 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43199008.9050202@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.381, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > DSL for $14.95. They offer a linksys router for a $15 one time > charge. I assume that is with a firewall? tech people would > assist in a linux setup. Hi Bob! I signed up for it Thursday for a different location than here, not to say "my office". It seemed to accept the "home" order for the office number. If you have more than one computer, you need the router. There is a $19.95 connection charge as well that you don't hear about until you have submitted the order. Wireless is included on the router but you could turn it off or put a password on it that not even you could remember :-) in the worse case you could remove the antenna. I have the faster DSL at home with the Verizon router. I don't recall a firewall, perhaps it is self configuring? My MEPIS setup runs guarddog by default so I never think of the firewall. I never use the W-word online. Every now and then you have to reboot the router. My good friend George Emigh is getting a real honking dual monitor gentoo box ready for my office, he tipped me on the $14.95 dsl. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 08:13:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83CDTl6012320 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:13:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83CDTgi012319 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:13:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83CDSwM012315 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:13:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83CDSEc006962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:13:28 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83CD61P015027 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:13:07 -0400 Received: from jupiter ([68.238.172.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM800HM9PXN3HC0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:12:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:13:05 -0400 From: Tom Suzda Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <20050903061837.GS1245@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509030813.06026.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <431929D5.5050001@gte.net> <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <20050903061837.GS1245@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.699, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j83CDSwM012316 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 03 September 2005 2:18 am, you wrote: > On Sat, Sep 03, 2005 at 02:06:50AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > > > On a slightly different topic, I'm having FIOS installed Tuesday. > > Does anyone have any experience with this service? I'm curious to > > see if I'll notice that much of a difference. > > I'd be curious to know how the hook it up to your house/equipment. > Are they running phone through it, too? Are you getting fibre all the > way to your router? Are you using it for cable as well? If so, does > it go all the way to your cable box? > > Paul I got FIOS installed last September. I had Brighthouse before that, so I can't compare DSL with it, but I will say that I am impressed by the service. The fiber is from the street to an ONT (Optical Network Terminal) located where your old standard phone connection box was. The ONT breaks the fiber down to a RJ45 data port, 4 phone line connections, and a RG style screw on video connection. The phone lines are just moved from the old phone connection box to the new ONT. A Cat 5 cable is run to the computer, where it will connect to a Verizon supplied D-Link router. I assume they will just used the prewired video cable runs that are on the side of the house that Bighthouse, or Comcast, or any other cable company would normally use, for their video connection as well. Video isn't available in my area yet. When they came in to install it, the entered a computer room of 5 linux based systems. They're first question was, "Didn't the person that took the order tell you that you had to have a Windows based computer?" I told them to settle down, all they were providing me was a Cat 5 cable with a standard RJ45 on the end. It looks just like any other network cable. Verizon is using PPPoE for authentication, so we entered all the information in the Verizon supplied router, and it connected with no problem. The only issue we had was that the speeds they were trying to attain, 15/2 mbps, just weren't there, based on their speed test web sites. The only tweaking stuff they have is all for Windows based machines. I ended up letting them play with a Windows 2000 based system, that I keep around for support of long forgotten clients. After tweaking the system, we got the speeds we wanted, and they were outside cleaning up their mess. I went back to the linux system, logged on to the same speed sites they used, and attained the same speeds. I poked my head out to let them know that it really doesn't matter, linux or Windows both work. So far I've been very happy with the service. Tom > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >-- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily > reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 08:24:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83COFkN012449 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:24:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83COFoA012448 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:24:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83COFb1012444 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:24:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83COE2m007565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:24:14 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83CO2m5016550 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:24:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM800H3NQG03LF0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:24:08 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <431989EA.7080800@roblimo.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431995E8.2050503@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> <431953D1.7020402@tampabay.rr.com> <431989EA.7080800@roblimo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.244, required 6, AWL -0.24) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > Thanks to Bush & crew they pay a lower percentage of taxes on their > millions than the poor phone reps pay on $8 or $10 per hour, and > they're the ones who set "Windows only" policies, lobby/bribe the FCC > and Congress into eliminating their competition, and refuse to pay > phone reps a decent salary or give them adequate training. Hi Robin! Now there you go again! As if the "First Adulterer" had nothing to do with the "Windows only" problem! A show trial may as well be no trial. :-) The "progressive" income tax with all its loopholes to make its progressiveness meaningless was inaugurated by the 16th Amendment in 1913, a Woodrow Wilson era creation. The last time I looked WW was a D. "Bush & crew" indeed. :-) Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 08:57:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83CvenD012666 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:57:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83CveYd012665 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:57:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83Cvd7R012661 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:57:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83CvdmO009693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:57:39 -0400 Received: from web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.199]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j83CvOCM020640 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:57:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 47872 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2005 12:57:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b7BhyVXk57VyObAtTjRQ+B8CchhboOhy6ejceqDCRvgivoC8BtoRcNuCsxHPQD85bmc/qoq6aG88cWUpFH61ZMjQs6rIuxnxbcCYbMf+ahzDXdLgNns44Yqoim0LWHnTPkQC9ruILptPNPhTLTRfMkSgr7T5wwwROoSjm72M5zM= ; Message-ID: <20050903125724.47870.qmail@web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.99.30.213] by web33702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 05:57:23 PDT Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 05:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dean Shepherd Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200509022355.41049.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.5, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.90, J_CHICKENPOX_62 0.60) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Verizon does not support Linux, however, Linux does handle Verizon quite easily(at least Fedora2 does). As a noob, all I had to do was plug it in, and the browser opened up right away. What you are going to get is a modem, not a firewall. I've had Verizon DSL for about 2 years now, and it appears to be the best deal in town as far as high speed is concerned. Good luck, Dean --- Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > As many of you have probably noticed, Verizon is > offering DSL for > $14.95. Of course there are other charges also but > they don't put any > numbers on them. Do it yourself installation was $15 > and the modem was > free. > > Anyway, since it now cheaper than my dial-up I am > thinking of trying it. > They offer a linksys router for a $15 one time > charge. I assume that is > with a firewall? Figured I would go that route and > put a nic in my > box. Don't want wireless.The sales person was not > very knowledgeable > but she did state that their tech people would > assist in a linux setup. > > So what do the Sluggers think ????? Problems, > successes, warnings, > etc. ? > > Bob S. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 09:15:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DFFYY012789 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:15:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83DFFkh012788 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:15:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DFEo6012784 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:15:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DFEvD010757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:15:14 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DF2GA018418 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:15:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([71.100.35.51]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM8003Q3ST0Q620@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:15:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:14:55 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <4319572C.7000409@tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4319A1CF.9040907@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <4319572C.7000409@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050831) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.762, required 6, BAYES_70 2.25, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Well, yeah, that response was a little harsh... however, I will back > up what the parent post is saying. They do simply read from a > script. I tried telling the tech support about 20 times that I'm a > consultant, I know what I'm doing, I've tried that already, I've tried > that already, I've tried that already, and so on. They make me try it > anyway... that was annoying. > In Verizon corner. When I hooked up to DSL several years ago I called tech support to help me set up my browser / verizon account. The lowest level person quickly realized that me running Linux was over his head and bumped me to level 2. Well I ended up with the direct phone number to a level 3 technician. I installed Opera which worked with their system and I got a job offer from them (I made more money building boats so I turned them down). I would rate it a positive experience. I am a happy Linux / Verizon customer. Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 09:22:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DMJQN012902 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:22:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83DMJ3s012901 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:22:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DMJTo012897 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:22:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DMIRb011283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:22:18 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DM8QA022773 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:22:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([71.100.35.51]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM800BRKT4RC480@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:22:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:22:03 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050831) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.303, required 6, AWL -0.20, BAYES_40 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE stupid on >that subject. > > Wrong!!! Stupidity and Ignorance are not the same thing. Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE "ignorant" on that subject. Knowledge is the cure for ignorance death is the cure for stupidity. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 09:39:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83Dd2Z8013029 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:39:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83Dd2bW013028 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:39:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83Dd1Ek013020 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:39:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83Dd1wa012466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:39:01 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DcjjF023751 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:38:46 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 12so550538nzp for ; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 06:38:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PTXGirD5++917s9SzlzV+f9JQqeUphBLpmR91szyillKBUVvh4kVqMn+uG1uHI9bRwdP2GziZyDe6YBMyrM/3WvXn3SfYRRgePNjQ6Khacw3WDydhuc2fpZ0mCMYPsjeZs8dtOIbH7cuGs+cLMiSmClnB8mJO4KgMDBceSHxa1I= Received: by 10.37.15.27 with SMTP id s27mr3311402nzi; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 06:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.13.13 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 06:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f1298605090306384dce7468@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:38:43 -0400 From: Robert Snyder To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-Reply-To: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <431929D5.5050001@gte.net> <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.65, required 6, AWL 2.25, BAYES_00 -4.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j83Dd1Ek013021 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 9/3/05, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder > > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:43 AM > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl > > > > No they wont. Verizon does not even support macintosh. Not the first > > person there knows how to use a mac except what they read off a > > script. They are stupid people who dont want to hear anything about > > linux bsd or anything not windows. > > > Maybe I'm grumpy but your response is offensive. Just because the people > answering the phone don't know Linux or Mac OS doesn't mean they're stupid. > Don't be so quick to criticize those who don't share the same knowledge base > as you. Those folks answering the phones are trying to make a living, same > as everyone else. > > No they are stupid they are lucky they can read the script on there screen. you dont get real tech support until you hit level 3 tech. > On a slightly different topic, I'm having FIOS installed Tuesday. Does > anyone have any experience with this service? I'm curious to see if I'll > notice that much of a difference. > > Bill > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 09:57:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DvWIZ013150 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:57:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83DvWXp013149 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:57:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DvVIg013145 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:57:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DvVcB013498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:57:31 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83DvKGF021037 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:57:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM800BNYURFCJ90@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:57:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:57:05 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4319ABB1.7030909@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.099, required 6, BAYES_60 1.59, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > >> Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE >> stupid on that subject. >> > Wrong!!! > Stupidity and Ignorance are not the same thing. > > Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE > "ignorant" on that subject. > > Knowledge is the cure for ignorance death is the cure for stupidity. > I was not calling them stupid as they could not comprehend the word linux or mac. I calling them stupid as they are lucky they can read the words on there script. Here is what you get from VZ level 1 tech ( based on what level 3 techs report on dslr) 1. some guy willing to take abuse because he is a mindless script reader 2. some one who is willing to work for 6.25 to 7.50 an hour ( this pay scale is based on what vz level 1 techs report) 3. half a$$ training before shoving these script readers on the phone. 4. If there average call time is longer than 7 minutes they are in trouble 5. Get in trouble more than 3 times and your fired. So basicly you have to be stupid to take that job. I had some really bad ones who even had issues reading the script on the screen. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 10:07:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83E7s95013227 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:07:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83E7sFs013226 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:07:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83E7rYr013222 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83E7rf5014322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:07:53 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83E7A4K031414 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:07:10 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so646484rna for ; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:07:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c0cdsHN+J1xsKNG1AF5g7RZ55811RJEYMlxHSz2hjMVjIqehdbY36qLkmO8yG2up1Ox6ipXUFpArrfZqXT5JD64Ex0pKevutpUNHuZ63CjZWT5ei7moPFbijTGtgr1GA+ZC37POzTHrpJkEzwn1cF8y0iWaKfxEFVOrHboMd22M= Received: by 10.38.151.67 with SMTP id y67mr192732rnd; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 07:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.16 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:06:38 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-Reply-To: <4319ABB1.7030909@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3736_20007722.1125756398009" References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> <4319ABB1.7030909@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.67, required 6, AWL -0.77, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_3736_20007722.1125756398009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >=20 >=20 > 1. some guy willing to take abuse because he is a mindless script reader > 2. some one who is willing to work for 6.25 to 7.50 an hour ( this pay > scale is based on what vz level 1 techs report) > 3. half a$$ training before shoving these script readers on the phone. > 4. If there average call time is longer than 7 minutes they are in troubl= e > 5. Get in trouble more than 3 times and your fired. >=20 > So basicly you have to be stupid to take that job. I had some really bad > ones who even had issues reading the script on the screen. >=20 >=20 > Or maybe they can hear in your voice how you look down on them and aren't= =20 willing to go out of their way to assist you. ------=_Part_3736_20007722.1125756398009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline


1. some guy willing to take abuse because he is a mindless script reader 2. some one who is willing to work for 6.25 to 7.50 an hour ( this pay
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3. half a$$ training befo= re shoving these script readers on the phone.
4.  If there ave= rage call time is longer than 7 minutes they are in trouble
5.  Get in trouble more than 3 times and your fired.

S= o basicly you have to be stupid to take that job. I had some really bad
= ones who even had issues reading the script on the screen.


Or maybe they can hear in your voice how you look down o= n them and aren't willing to go out of their way to assist you.
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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 11:31:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83FVZMw013840 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:31:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83FVZnp013839 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:31:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83FVZ8V013835 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:31:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83FVYWw021011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:31:35 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83FVDGY007018 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:31:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.97.91.216]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050903153112.VFOC20229.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:31:12 -0400 Message-ID: <4319C1A3.9070406@cox.net> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 10:30:43 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> <4319ABB1.7030909@gte.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=9.093, required 6, BAYES_99 5.40, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sssssssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Shaw wrote: > > > > 1. some guy willing to take abuse because he is a mindless script > reader > 2. some one who is willing to work for 6.25 to 7.50 an hour ( this pay > scale is based on what vz level 1 techs report) > 3. half a$$ training before shoving these script readers on the phone. > 4. If there average call time is longer than 7 minutes they are > in trouble > 5. Get in trouble more than 3 times and your fired. > > So basicly you have to be stupid to take that job. I had some > really bad > ones who even had issues reading the script on the screen. > > > Or maybe they can hear in your voice how you look down on them and > aren't willing to go out of their way to assist you. Hey, gents. I'm just catching up with the thread as I slept last night. I agree with Bill. I enjoy everyone's viewpoint on this list, but if I got stuck trying to offer customer service to Wee Robby--or some of the others of you (you know who you are), I'm more than certain that you would report stupidity. It wouldn't necessarily be based on my own mental aptitude so much as the fact that I would probably be dragging my heels as I had just dealt with every jerk in the county that is having a M$ problem, and suddenly $7.50 doesn't seem like nearly enough money to put up with this abuse. Have you ever tried to talk to a telemarketer? When they call at dinnertime, they get yelled at a lot. Next time they call, talk to them. Let them know that you aknowledge them as a human being. You will be shocked. One time a telemarketer got off the phone with me in tears, promising that she would in fact enroll in school and pursue her dream of being a such-and-such... ...it's been long enough ago that I can't even remember what it was. You might me confusing apathy for stupidy, anyway, and there is a huge difference. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 12:14:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83GEw13014104 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:14:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83GEwkV014103 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:14:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83GEwPa014099 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:14:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83GEs8K023658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:14:58 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83GEZ2i012573 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:14:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM900BN5147C4J0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:14:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:14:20 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: {SPAM?} Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <4319C1A3.9070406@cox.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4319CBDC.1040300@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> <4319ABB1.7030909@gte.net> <4319C1A3.9070406@cox.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.453, required 6, AWL -0.05, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > Bill Shaw wrote: > >> >> >> >> 1. some guy willing to take abuse because he is a mindless script >> reader >> 2. some one who is willing to work for 6.25 to 7.50 an hour ( >> this pay >> scale is based on what vz level 1 techs report) >> 3. half a$$ training before shoving these script readers on the >> phone. >> 4. If there average call time is longer than 7 minutes they are >> in trouble >> 5. Get in trouble more than 3 times and your fired. >> >> So basicly you have to be stupid to take that job. I had some >> really bad >> ones who even had issues reading the script on the screen. >> >> >> Or maybe they can hear in your voice how you look down on them and >> aren't willing to go out of their way to assist you. > > > Hey, gents. I'm just catching up with the thread as I slept last > night. I agree with Bill. I enjoy everyone's viewpoint on this list, > but if I got stuck trying to offer customer service to Wee Robby A. I take offesnse to that. B. I have not had to call Level 1 in years C. I only deal with Level 3 techs as they are the ones who actually know something about dsl and computers. I am always very nice on the phone. Just because I dont like them does not mean I am rude sob on the phone to them. I worked in a call center I been yelled at crused and everything else. Again may talk about them after I hang up how they were stupid idiots but I am always nice to them. > --or some of the others of you (you know who you are), I'm more than > certain that you would report stupidity. It wouldn't necessarily be > based on my own mental aptitude so much as the fact that I would > probably be dragging my heels as I had just dealt with every jerk in > the county that is having a M$ problem, and suddenly $7.50 doesn't > seem like nearly enough money to put up with this abuse. > Have you ever tried to talk to a telemarketer? When they call at > dinnertime, they get yelled at a lot. Next time they call, talk to > them. Let them know that you aknowledge them as a human being. You > will be shocked. One time a telemarketer got off the phone with me in > tears, promising that she would in fact enroll in school and pursue > her dream of being a such-and-such... ...it's been long enough ago > that I can't even remember what it was. > You might me confusing apathy for stupidy, anyway, and there is a > huge difference. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 13:12:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83HC1JX014538 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:12:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83HC10R014536 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:12:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83HC05U014529 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:12:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83HBtft027549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:12:00 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (6532154hfc217.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.154.217]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83HBXkO005365 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:11:38 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id C0A0B92409; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (thor [192.168.1.2]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBEC92408 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4319D939.3050006@sigtom.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:11:21 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] NOLA Volunteers/Supplies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Howdy, Ill be heading to New Orleans next week to be helping out with setting up comms thru part-15.org. They are looking for people who have exp w/wifi/voip work. If you think youd like to go, and understand that it wont be a picnic in the park, and have skills that are needed, please sign up at the link below. Ill be leaving Wednesday morning and be staying as long as they need. If you cant go but would like to help ws/supplies/donations thats welcome as well. I can carry any supplies as I have a truck. If you have any contacts at any wifi/voip supply firms, contact them and ask if they want to supply anything, I can carry that as well. Please let me know Tom Craddock Jr. http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/katrina.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 14:55:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83ItYWC015282 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:55:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83ItYqI015281 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83ItYrj015277 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83ItXBa003125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:55:33 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83ItJbk002666 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:55:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.100] ([68.202.116.108]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j83ItGEg018744; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4319F193.5040401@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:55:15 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] Vonage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi: I just converted one of my two telephone lines to Vonage VoIP using Road Runner cable connection. The only problem that I had is my RR mail could send but not receive, my mindspring mail worked fine, and pan my `news reader' couldn't connect. This was because pop-server and news-server are not fully qualified URLs. Can anyone please tell this USER in plane language why adding the Linksys RTP-300 router prevented these two operations from working? Other than giving me a temporary local telephone number in Zephyrhills, a toll call from plant City and their robot says my houses address fails the E911 test I am pleased. -- Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 15:25:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83JPOSG015556 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:25:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83JPOtb015555 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:25:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83JPOXm015551 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:25:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83JPOik005161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:25:24 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83JPCSk024458 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:25:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j83JP9eP017491 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:25:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Vonage Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:25:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4319F193.5040401@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <4319F193.5040401@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509031525.38740.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 03 September 2005 14:55, Ron Youvan wrote: > Hi: > > I just converted one of my two telephone lines to Vonage VoIP > using Road Runner cable connection. > The only problem that I had is my RR mail could send but not > receive, my mindspring mail worked fine, and pan my `news reader' > couldn't connect. > This was because pop-server and news-server are not fully > qualified URLs. > > Can anyone please tell this USER in plane language why adding the > Linksys RTP-300 router prevented these two operations from working? > > Other than giving me a temporary local telephone number in Zephyrhills, > a toll call from plant City and their robot says my houses address fails > the E911 test I am pleased. The RTP-300 may be blocking a port that could before access the web. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 18:04:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83M4EO2016647 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:04:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83M4E4H016646 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:04:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83M4Eew016642 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:04:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83M4DOM015707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:04:13 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83M3x8h023347 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:03:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([71.100.35.51]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM9008JFHAJIGQ0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:03:49 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Vonage In-reply-to: <4319F193.5040401@tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431A1DC5.9030102@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <4319F193.5040401@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050831) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.43, required 6, AWL -0.08, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ron Youvan wrote: > Hi: > > I just converted one of my two telephone lines to Vonage VoIP > using Road Runner cable connection. > The only problem that I had is my RR mail could send but not > receive, my mindspring mail worked fine, and pan my `news reader' > couldn't connect. > This was because pop-server and news-server are not fully > qualified URLs. > > Can anyone please tell this USER in plane language why adding the > Linksys RTP-300 router prevented these two operations from working? > > Other than giving me a temporary local telephone number in Zephyrhills, > a toll call from plant City and their robot says my houses address fails > the E911 test I am pleased. Try putting your box in the DMZ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 19:46:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83Nk0ld017432 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:46:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j83Nk0MZ017431 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:46:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83Njxba017427 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:45:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83NjxMD023112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:45:59 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j83NjhWv003275 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:45:44 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j83Njfb7023708 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:44:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-Reply-To: <43199008.9050202@acun.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Bob Stia wrote: > > > DSL for $14.95. They offer a linksys router for a $15 one time > > charge. I assume that is with a firewall? tech people would > > assist in a linux setup. > > I signed up for it Thursday for a different location than here, not to > say "my office". It seemed to accept the "home" order for the office > number. > > If you have more than one computer, you need the router. There is a > $19.95 connection charge as well that you don't hear about until you > have submitted the order. Wireless is included on the router but you > could turn it off or put a password on it that not even you could > remember :-) All the fact that you don't know the password ensures is that nobody can social-engineer it out of you. A skilled industrious malcontent with too much time on his hands could still figure it out. > in the worse case you could remove the antenna. That, and turn it off (removing the antenna's purely aesthetic in that case). -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 20:43:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j840htE4017917 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:43:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j840ht48017916 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:43:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j840htpS017912 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:43:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j840hsiW026957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:43:55 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j840hmqS027622 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:43:48 -0400 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.100.117.237]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM900AZ8OOWMO81@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 19:43:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:43:42 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509032043.42841.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > > > > > DSL for $14.95. Good chance they'll add another $5.22 for "recovery fees." My rate is still shown as $29.95, but they add the fees. I guess they hope we'll blame it on the govt, (and from what I read the govt points the finger back at them and says it is just a scheme to charge more). Whichever the case, the price quoted is misleading. I'd feel better if they just said, "we want to charge more." Cost structure aside, our Verizon dsl has been solid and several times kept working when phone service in our area went out. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 22:01:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8421oPM018480 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:01:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8421o6W018479 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:01:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8421oHG018475 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:01:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8421nNr032364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:01:50 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8421VHa017916 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:01:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([71.100.35.51]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IM900DY9SAFM150@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 03 Sep 2005 21:01:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:01:21 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Off topic but erie To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431A5571.7090208@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050831) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.036, required 6, AWL -1.06, BAYES_60 1.59, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Check out this Oct 2004 National Geographic Article http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 3 23:09:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8439iH6018972 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:09:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8439iwi018971 for slug-track29; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:09:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8439iIM018967 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:09:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8439hTw005559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:09:44 -0400 Received: from baracus.dreamhost.com (baracus.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.11]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8439RYO013996 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:09:27 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-155-195.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.155.195]) by baracus.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAF1175107 for ; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:09:25 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 23:09:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200509030606.j8366nah011918@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> <200509030741.09110.steve@szmidt.org> <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4319A37B.90806@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509032309.11650.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.659, required 6, AWL -1.66) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 03 September 2005 09:22, Joe Brandt wrote: > >Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE stupid > > on that subject. > > Wrong!!! Nope. Ignorance and stupidity IS the same thing. When we jump into dictionaries we find different definitions. Where some say stupid means low IQ or being dull, which is the one you are using. So we are not really talking about the same thing. So technically we are both right and wrong! Haha. > Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE > "ignorant" on that subject. > > Knowledge is the cure for ignorance death is the cure for stupidity. Education can be the cure for stupidity. It's a false hood that you cannot get over being stupid. What you are talking about is intelligence. Which can also be improved. My definition of IQ is the ability to perceive a situation, figure out how to handle it, and execute it well. I'm pushing my point because I have used education to make an otherwise not very bright person, bright and shiny. I got him more perceptive and more able to deal with life. His IQ went up 12 points. I'd say he got a new slant on life, and he would not agree that death was his only option. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 00:44:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j844iIfu019682 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:44:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j844iIdP019681 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:44:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j844iIwo019677 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:44:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j844iHvj014049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:44:18 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j844hxaC014787 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:43:59 -0400 Received: from billspc (224-158.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.158.224]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j844hvGK023821 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509040443.j844hvGK023821@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 00:43:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWw/vd4AbAU54EeST6rQy8bFKxwlgAC6BSQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-reply-to: <200509032309.11650.steve@szmidt.org> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.05, required 6, AWL 0.05, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of steve szmidt > Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:09 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl > > On Saturday 03 September 2005 09:22, Joe Brandt wrote: > > >Technically, if you don't know something about a subject - you ARE > stupid > > > on that subject. > > > > Wrong!!! > > Nope. Ignorance and stupidity IS the same thing. > Would poor grammar be considered ignorance or stupidity? (Sorry, couldn't resist!) Back to FIOS momentarily, does anyone know if it's true that with FIOS one MUST use the Verizon-provided router for it to work? Their web page makes this statement. I missed it before. If that's true I suppose I'll need to spend the $70 to purchase the wireless router from them. Verizon isn't making this easy ... First, they cut my brighthouse cable and my neighbor's when they ran the fiber from the street to the house. I wonder if Brighthouse will cut the fiber when they come to bury the new coax they had to run :) Now, it looks like I may have to pay $70 to replace a perfectly good wireless router. At least the one they sell if 802.11G. I hope it's all worth it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 02:46:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j846kA7j020632 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:46:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j846kAqv020631 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:46:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j846k9xL020627 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:46:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j846k9HL023486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:46:09 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j846ju7F007620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:45:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 19519 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2005 01:45:51 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2005 01:45:51 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 91D5B11EF50; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:41:29 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl Message-ID: <20050904064129.GT1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200509032309.11650.steve@szmidt.org> <200509040443.j844hvGK023821@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509040443.j844hvGK023821@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.312, required 6, AWL -1.31, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:43:58AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote: > Verizon isn't making this easy ... First, they cut my brighthouse cable and > my neighbor's when they ran the fiber from the street to the house. I wonder > if Brighthouse will cut the fiber when they come to bury the new coax they > had to run :) I wonder if Verizon simply decided it would be quicker and cheaper to cut other people's cables, rather than take the time to route over/under/around them. I'm not begin facetious. I've heard no end of stories like this. When I wanted to do some digging in my yard, I was told that I _must_ call the central agency that informs all the various entities with underground service. The companies are supposed to come out within some short time frame and put flags and paint down to show where their cables/pipes are. I was also told that if I dig without doing so and cut something, there's a penalty/fine. Me, a lowly homeowner. I wonder if Verizon and others like them are exempt, or if they simply find it cheaper/faster to cut them anyway. They could be just grossly inept, but at some point it begins to look like they're doing it on purpose. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 08:43:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84Chi16023414 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:43:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j84ChiYU023413 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:43:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84ChiUR023409 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:43:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84ChhqS027571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:43:44 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84ChQWH018321 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:43:27 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so719217rna for ; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 05:43:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GVa5uI6rObFVol0RT2midRsXvBIrag+vEsHPBd8spRDwq7HeL9CH6oIoDQs4htMw8NHVafwtwElhNUeXzBtirYv57pxGPQgcdTXf4OIJ+Xa7u3BNmZ5zLcofqP/fU4NNJoAlQ7vFR2o5L4uXaGWI7vihTOIJlLDSzizfzzesH8w= Received: by 10.38.90.67 with SMTP id n67mr468386rnb; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 05:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.16 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 05:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:43:26 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-Reply-To: <20050904064129.GT1245@quillandmouse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4148_12741317.1125837806401" References: <200509032309.11650.steve@szmidt.org> <200509040443.j844hvGK023821@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <20050904064129.GT1245@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.6, required 6, AWL -0.70, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_4148_12741317.1125837806401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Of course it's cheaper. On a smaller scale satellite installers do it to=20 cable companies and vice versa all the time. They get paid per job so why= =20 waste an hour+ laying your own cable when you can cut the competitors and= =20 move on to the next job. On 9/4/05, Paul M Foster wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:43:58AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote: >=20 >=20 > I wonder if Verizon simply decided it would be quicker and cheaper to > cut other people's cables, rather than take the time to route > over/under/around them. I'm not begin facetious. I've heard no end of > stories like this. >=20 > When I wanted to do some digging in my yard, I was told that I _must_ > call the central agency that informs all the various entities with > underground service. The companies are supposed to come out within some > short time frame and put flags and paint down to show where their > cables/pipes are. I was also told that if I dig without doing so and cut > something, there's a penalty/fine. Me, a lowly homeowner. I wonder if > Verizon and others like them are exempt, or if they simply find it > cheaper/faster to cut them anyway. They could be just grossly inept, but > at some point it begins to look like they're doing it on purpose. >=20 > Paul >=20 > ------=_Part_4148_12741317.1125837806401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Of course it's cheaper.  On a smaller scale satellite installers do it to cable companies and vice versa all the time.  They get paid per job so why waste an hour+ laying your own cable when you can cut the competitors and move on to the next job.

On 9/4/05, Paul M Foster &l= t;paulf@quillandmouse.com>= ; wrote:
On Sun, Se= p 04, 2005 at 12:43:58AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote:


I wonder if = Verizon simply decided it would be quicker and cheaper to
cut other people's cables, rather than take the time to route
over/u= nder/around them. I'm not begin facetious. I've heard no end of
stories = like this.

When I wanted to do some digging in my yard, I was told t= hat I _must_
call the central agency that informs all the various entities with
u= nderground service. The companies are supposed to come out within some
s= hort time frame and put flags and paint down to show where their
cables/= pipes are. I was also told that if I dig without doing so and cut
something, there's a penalty/fine. Me, a lowly homeowner. I wonder ifVerizon and others like them are exempt, or if they simply find it
che= aper/faster to cut them anyway. They could be just grossly inept, but
at some point it begins to look like they're doing it on purpose.

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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 09:39:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84Ddjvq023855 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:39:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j84DdjMl023854 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:39:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84Ddjb8023850 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:39:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84DdfZ4031822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:39:45 -0400 Received: from hannibal.dreamhost.com (hannibal.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.25]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84DdGuQ017807 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:39:16 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-155-195.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.155.195]) by hannibal.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78719175115 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 06:39:15 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 09:39:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200509032309.11650.steve@szmidt.org> <20050904064129.GT1245@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509040939.10263.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 04 September 2005 08:43, Bill Shaw wrote: > Of course it's cheaper. On a smaller scale satellite installers do it to > cable companies and vice versa all the time. They get paid per job so why > waste an hour+ laying your own cable when you can cut the competitors and > move on to the next job. Exactly. They at least behave with no care about anything or anyone. I had a guy who tried to get away with pulling the cable across the floor in a door opening! He shows up with sunglasses in my door and is like, Why are you in my way, kind of attitude. I said sorry but I don't know you and this is my home, so I like to know who I let in. What I do now is get their name at the door, then get in good communication with the guy before I let him do anything. To find out what kind of tech I got. I explain that I'm a bit picky about my house and I want to be in full agreement before the job is done, so to avoid any unpleasantness later. I tell him that I'm a difficult customer with my own ideas, and if that is a problem it's OK with me if he does not want to do the job. Then based on how I assess this tech, I may or may not baby sit him through the job. Usually they realize they are in someone elses home. Someone who cares about their home. I then offer them something cool to drink and help them move the furniture and so on. Interestingly, the first guy above, totally changed his attitude when he saw my books on Linux and what not. All of a sudden he thought I was a professor and became sweet as pie. (Apparently they are the only ones who have books! : ) Rather sad. You can tell that inspite of being an old and obviously well experienced business (cable) they are not very well organized. I had an intermittent problem upstream where some interference would knock out my service on most weekends for hours at end. Five techs came out to debug it, and nobody had the results of the previous techs findings. (The last two were engineers and they told me they only had something like four engineers to go around.) When I suggested that he would pass on the information to the office so they could inform the next tech, he thought that was the handiest thing he ever heard! It would have been the first thing I'd expect to get before going out, what were the findings so far... Oh well. So it's clear that the office is not that concerned about customer problems. Or they would have been better organized. Which shows up in the commonly poor attitude of the techs they hire. It's just a numbers game to them and as long as the numbers look good - never mind. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 12:02:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84G2CnD024925 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:02:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j84G2C4K024924 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:02:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84G2BE1024920 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:02:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84G2BKY011304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:02:11 -0400 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84G1SOd030220 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:01:28 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=h5qghsFAQYzGnrQJR4s1vMoUBXwM4XnnsUOYwJXXcbWJcUjv707lERlCbax+XICg; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EBwvw-0001Wo-GW for slug@nks.net; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:01:28 -0400 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 12:01:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200509032309.11650.steve@szmidt.org> <20050904064129.GT1245@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509041201.33141.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26095f4138a975543eac4e3a3890e6780a6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.994, required 6, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All At one time I lived in an apartment complex in Plantation, FL. As the maintenance manager was a friend of myself and my not being busy many times I had a tendency to help him when he had difficult jobs that required 2 people to do. One day working on the roof with my friend I observed the local cable company company install the then new cable system for the apartment complex. The first item of business was to search out and find the existing antenna based complex cable system and cut the cables so that it was non functional to such an extent that it was non repairable. This of coursed forced people to buy cable. A couple of years roil by and at the time working on a PhD I had no TV as I found programming to silly to watch. Still don't for that matter. Anyway arriving home one day I an accosted by the manager of the local cable company for stealing their precious signal. It seems that the cable company had just assumed that everybody was going to get cable TV so they had wired all apartments to receive the signal regardless of weather that apartment subscribed or not. Thus since my apartment was wired to receive cable TV according to the cable company I was stealing their signal even though I did NOT own a TV. The fact that I did not own a TV to them was irrelevant to them. The simple fact that their representative had connected my apartment to their system meant that I was stealing their signal. As far as the fact that their representatives had gone around cutting up the existing antenna system cables only meant that I was a liar. So, to answer your question do cable companies and telephone companies do things like that . YES!! Frank On Sunday 04 September 2005 08:43 am, Bill Shaw wrote: > Of course it's cheaper. On a smaller scale satellite installers do it to > cable companies and vice versa all the time. They get paid per job so why > waste an hour+ laying your own cable when you can cut the competitors and > move on to the next job. > > On 9/4/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:43:58AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > > > > I wonder if Verizon simply decided it would be quicker and cheaper to > > cut other people's cables, rather than take the time to route > > over/under/around them. I'm not begin facetious. I've heard no end of > > stories like this. > > > > When I wanted to do some digging in my yard, I was told that I _must_ > > call the central agency that informs all the various entities with > > underground service. The companies are supposed to come out within some > > short time frame and put flags and paint down to show where their > > cables/pipes are. I was also told that if I dig without doing so and cut > > something, there's a penalty/fine. Me, a lowly homeowner. I wonder if > > Verizon and others like them are exempt, or if they simply find it > > cheaper/faster to cut them anyway. They could be just grossly inept, but > > at some point it begins to look like they're doing it on purpose. > > > > Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 13:59:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84Hx2j5025797 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:59:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j84Hx28V025796 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:59:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84Hx1tV025792 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:59:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84Hx1Uf018905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:59:01 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84HwgTf003952 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:58:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] ([71.99.1.137]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMB00C3E0LKE8U2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:58:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 13:58:29 -0400 From: ScottF Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl In-reply-to: <20050904064129.GT1245@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431B35C5.2030706@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200509032309.11650.steve@szmidt.org> <200509040443.j844hvGK023821@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <20050904064129.GT1245@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.255, required 6, BAYES_70 2.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 12:43:58AM -0400, Bill Glidden wrote: > > > > > >>Verizon isn't making this easy ... First, they cut my brighthouse cable and >>my neighbor's when they ran the fiber from the street to the house. I wonder >>if Brighthouse will cut the fiber when they come to bury the new coax they >>had to run :) >> >> > >I wonder if Verizon simply decided it would be quicker and cheaper to >cut other people's cables, rather than take the time to route >over/under/around them. I'm not begin facetious. I've heard no end of >stories like this. > >When I wanted to do some digging in my yard, I was told that I _must_ >call the central agency that informs all the various entities with >underground service. The companies are supposed to come out within some >short time frame and put flags and paint down to show where their >cables/pipes are. I was also told that if I dig without doing so and cut >something, there's a penalty/fine. Me, a lowly homeowner. I wonder if >Verizon and others like them are exempt, or if they simply find it >cheaper/faster to cut them anyway. They could be just grossly inept, but >at some point it begins to look like they're doing it on purpose. > >Paul > > > > The company is callsunshine and as they say "its the law". You can be charged for all labor and supplies if you damage someone else's lines or pipes. That was what the issue was with verizon in tampa a few months ago. Verizon's locators, which is a contracted company, were not accurate and utilities and contractors were ripping lines out left and right. If the locate is not accurate you don't have to pay and many contractors don't care because it ends up being cheap just calling callsunshine and notifying them than to pay a crew of 10 overtime. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 16:06:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84K6imD026744 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j84K6i4Z026743 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84K6i1F026739 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84K6hTv028037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j84K6MfM019104 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:22 -0400 Received: from billspc (224-158.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.158.224]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j84K6KeP001430 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509042006.j84K6KeP001430@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 16:06:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWxezBW75504pZ6TgKe9faA0rDmrgAEE8sQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <431B35C5.2030706@verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.592, required 6, BAYES_60 1.59) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > The company is callsunshine and as they say "its the law". You can be > charged for all labor and supplies if you damage someone else's lines or > pipes. That was what the issue was with verizon in tampa a few months > ago. Verizon's locators, which is a contracted company, were not > accurate and utilities and contractors were ripping lines out left and > right. If the locate is not accurate you don't have to pay and many > contractors don't care because it ends up being cheap just calling > callsunshine and notifying them than to pay a crew of 10 overtime. > To Verizon's credit, they immediately took responsibility for the cutting of the cable. I called them, spoke to a very professional gentleman who took the information, gave me a ticket number and said to please call back when I received the repair bill for BrightHouse. He assured me that Verizon would pay for the repairs. I look at this as one of the things that falls into the "stuff happens" category. So far the only real downside to the FIOS installation is the fact that I'll have to clean up my home office because it would be plain embarrassing to let someone see it in it's present condition. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 4 21:46:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j851keth029392 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:46:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j851kdMC029391 for slug-track29; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:46:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j851kdIM029387 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:46:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j851kdsB020142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:46:39 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (6532154hfc217.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.154.217]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j851kQjC018437 for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:46:32 -0400 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id F1E0292408; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (thor [192.168.1.2]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CA54BDFB for ; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <431BA369.9010001@sigtom.com> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:46:17 -0400 From: "Tom E. Craddock Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] NOLACOM Part-15.org Volunteers - Resend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6, AWL -0.00, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I sent this earlier, but havent seen it show up on the list. Howdy, Ill be heading to New Orleans next week to be helping out with setting up comms thru part-15.org. They are looking for people who have exp w/wifi/voip work. If you think youd like to go, and understand that it wont be a picnic in the park, and have skills that are needed, please sign up at the link below. Ill be leaving Wednesday morning and be staying as long as they need. If you cant go but would like to help w/supplies/donations/extra laptops/PCs for use in community labs/non perishable food/water/camping supplies/whatever thats welcome as well. I can carry any supplies as I have a truck. If you have any contacts at any wifi/voip supply firms, contact them and ask if they want to supply anything, I can carry that as well. Please let me know Tom Craddock Jr. http://www.part-15.org/emergencyrelief/katrina.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 5 01:31:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j855VHFY031202 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:31:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j855VHcg031201 for slug-track29; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:31:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j855VGwl031197 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:31:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j855VAiG007200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:31:16 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j855UuwY029996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:30:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 24086 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2005 00:30:55 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2005 00:30:55 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1025111EF50; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:23:03 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050905052303.1025111EF50@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 01:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 13 September 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 20 September 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Latitude 23.5 Coffee Shop 2820 Clark Rd (Swift/Tuttle and Clark) Sarasota, FL 34231 See http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=2820+Clark+Rd,+Sarasota,+FL+34231 for a map. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 26 September 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) J. J. Rohrer Sterling Square 600 First Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://maps.google.com/maps?q=600+First+Ave+N,+Saint+Petersburg,+FL&spn=0.017456,0.027210&hl=en for map. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 1 October 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 6 October 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 8 October 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 5 10:01:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85E15mT002763 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:01:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j85E15nd002762 for slug-track29; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:01:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85E14k9002757 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:01:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85E14WR018698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:01:04 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85E0mhL029852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:00:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 6650 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2005 09:00:48 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2005 09:00:47 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5321711EF51; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:58:40 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List , SLUG Announce List Subject: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day Events Message-ID: <20050905135840.GW1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List , SLUG Announce List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.706, required 6, AWL 0.61, FU_FREE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ******************************* * Software Freedom Day * * Saturday, 10 September 2005 * ******************************* Software Freedom Day (http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/) is an annual, global effort to promote the use of Free and Open Source Software. Several SLUG members have organized the following bay area events in celebration of this special day: BRADENTON ************************************************ Saturday, 10 September 10:00-14:00 Books-A-Million 4225 14th St W, US 41 Bradenton, FL 34205 http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Bradenton TAMPA **************************************************** Saturday, 10 September 10:00-16:00 Museum of Science & Industry 4801 E Fowler Ave Tampa, FL 33617 http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Tampa *********************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 5 10:39:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85EdVHf003083 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:39:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j85EdVIe003081 for slug-track29; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:39:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85EdV5x003076 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:39:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85EdU7U021951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:39:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85EdLmV009058; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:39:21 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j85EdIai004717; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG List cc: SLUG Announce List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day Events In-Reply-To: <20050905135840.GW1245@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: TAMPA **************************************************** > > Saturday, 10 September 10:00-16:00 > > Museum of Science & Industry > 4801 E Fowler Ave > Tampa, FL 33617 > > http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Tampa Would MOSI charge admission to get to you? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar SCORPIO: Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 5 11:01:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85F14EA003262 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:01:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j85F14EY003261 for slug-track29; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:01:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85F1418003257 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:01:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85F14er023535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:01:04 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.98]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85F0jDh020454 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:00:46 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 08:00:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:00:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day Events Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:00:45 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2005 15:00:45.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[97AF3620:01C5B22A] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.336, required 6, AWL -2.84, BAYES_44 -0.00, FU_FREE 0.10, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, NO_COST 1.67, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: SLUG List >CC: SLUG Announce List >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day Events >Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) > >On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > TAMPA **************************************************** > > > > Saturday, 10 September 10:00-16:00 > > > > Museum of Science & Industry > > 4801 E Fowler Ave > > Tampa, FL 33617 > > > > http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Tampa > >Would MOSI charge admission to get to you? > There is no charge for access to the Software Freedom Day event or parking. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 5 12:51:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85Gp4ba004080 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:51:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j85Gp41H004079 for slug-track29; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:51:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85Gp3J9004075 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:51:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85Gp3aH000689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:51:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j85GodXY005261 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:50:39 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j85Gobb6015752 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509051650.j85Gobb6015752@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] verizon dsl Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:50:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <4319A1CF.9040907@verizon.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcWwijMlcHuUG41KS5CJA88YTOroQwBrnF9w X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.058, required 6, AWL -1.06, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Verizon Tech1: Uhh... Are you using Windows? Me: Yes. Verizon Tech1: What version of Windows are you using? Me: X-Windows Verizon Tech: Uhh... Uhh... Hang on... Me: OK Verizon Tech1: What kind? Me: X-Windows Verizon Tech1: It's not on my list. Me: It's for experts. Can you bump me up a level Verizon Tech1: Sure... Verizon Tech4: What version of Windows? Me: X-Windows Verizon Tech4: Oh, I use Debian at home. Me: Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brandt Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 9:15 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] verizon dsl > Well, yeah, that response was a little harsh... however, I will back > up what the parent post is saying. They do simply read from a script. > I tried telling the tech support about 20 times that I'm a consultant, > I know what I'm doing, I've tried that already, I've tried that > already, I've tried that already, and so on. They make me try it > anyway... that was annoying. > In Verizon corner. When I hooked up to DSL several years ago I called tech support to help me set up my browser / verizon account. The lowest level person quickly realized that me running Linux was over his head and bumped me to level 2. Well I ended up with the direct phone number to a level 3 technician. I installed Opera which worked with their system and I got a job offer from them (I made more money building boats so I turned them down). I would rate it a positive experience. I am a happy Linux / Verizon customer. Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 5 21:51:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j861pWe2008034 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:51:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j861pWAE008033 for slug-track29; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:51:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j861pVEM008029 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:51:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j861pVKo003899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:51:31 -0400 Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j861pGOi017018 for ; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:51:16 -0400 Received: from 209-165-24.57.lightspeed.net ([209.165.24.57] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ECScF-0003R2-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 21:51:15 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: SOTL To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] OT: For those of you who want a few good laughs. Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:07:43 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200509052207.43138.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.011, required 6, AWL -1.10, BAYES_44 -0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.42, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j861pVEM008030 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OT: For those of you who want a few good laughs. http://www.simplyfired.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 13:22:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HMVR2015003 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:22:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86HMVYf015002 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:22:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HMVYO014998 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:22:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HMUcT009102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:22:30 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HMEDF020655 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:22:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([71.100.35.51]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IME008TOO91O8H2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:22:15 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Software Freedom Tampa / Bradenton To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431DD047.4070107@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050831) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.099, required 6, BAYES_60 1.59, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jonathan aka slicktwist and I aka Joe Brandt have arranged to meet in St. Pete on Friday to exchange Software Freedom Goodies. If anyone up north has anything for SFD Bradenton get it to Jonathan by thursday. Also if anyone down south has anything for SFD Tampa get it to me. Thank you for your support. Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 13:27:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HRLEd015059 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:27:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86HRLhC015058 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:27:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HRLkE015054 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:27:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HRKtM009528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:27:20 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86HQuqY020860 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:26:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.6] ([71.100.35.51]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IME00ELCOGRE0V0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:26:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:26:53 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Marketing To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050831) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.164, required 6, BAYES_80 1.66, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have been repairing computers for firends and co-workers for years. I am seriously tinnking abouting hanging my shingle and making a go of doing it part time then full time when I build enough business. Can anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. Thank You Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 14:02:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86I2Gak015328 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:02:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86I2G6V015327 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86I2FEM015323 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:02:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86I2Fjd011619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:02:15 -0400 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86I1vRn006219 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:01:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900A775CD16 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <431DD989.3020708@ctrust.com> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:01:45 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > I have been repairing computers for firends and co-workers for years. > I am seriously tinnking abouting hanging my shingle and making a go of > doing it part time then full time when I build enough business. Can > anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. > > Thank You > Joe Brandt > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. word of mouth... thats your best bet in the beginning. -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 14:28:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86ISMsc015565 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86ISMak015564 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86ISMLG015560 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86ISMxY013747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:22 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86ISAPQ017902 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:11 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i13so1105347wra for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JMhjoGCK82ENJ90Pf23SoolXRE7BHYXOtrrzQAYu29DDptjRdWXtoFbqUQ6sA8CI/TajR3IOgylCEVfx5U+JxGrFGAUI/vllFsf1ZQ1uNyFFTrOfgcX3KJoPP7HzDNTqSqSQvvzR/Pf157I2fvZ6lLqzAILHhHAIbt44wgokrpU= Received: by 10.54.3.8 with SMTP id 8mr5019362wrc; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.91.10 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88f827b605090611283e7bb7e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:28:07 -0400 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-Reply-To: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_625_27771575.1126031287598" References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.176, required 6, AWL -1.28, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_625_27771575.1126031287598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Where I live (Oldsmar) there is a guy who has his own local computer repair= =20 shop and every morning during rush hour I see him riding one of those adult= =20 tri-cycles (the ones you see in the retirement communities) with a large=20 sign advertising his shop and what it does (he also wears a t-shirt with th= e=20 name and ph#). He rides up and down Tampa Rd about 100 yards on either side= =20 of the main intersection in town and sips his coffee and lets the signage d= o=20 his talking. Tampa Rd is a major artery between Pinellas county and Tampa= =20 (along with the Howard Frankland bridge and Courtney Campbell causeway) so= =20 his exposure is quite large. I don't know how busy his place is, but its=20 gotta beat sitting at home picking toe jam. FWIW. Cheers. ------=_Part_625_27771575.1126031287598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Where I live (Oldsmar) there is a guy who has his own local computer repair shop and every morning during rush hour  I see him riding one of those adult tri-cycles (the ones you see in the retirement communities) with a large sign advertising his shop and what it does (he also wears a t-shirt with the name and ph#).  He rides up and down Tampa Rd about 100 yards on either side of the main intersection in town and sips his coffee and lets the signage do his talking.  Tampa Rd is a major artery between Pinellas county and Tampa (along with the Howard Frankland bridge and Courtney Campbell causeway) so his exposure is quite large.  I don't know how busy his place is, but its gotta beat sitting at home picking toe jam.

FWIW.  Cheers.
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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 15:12:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86JC5Ax015871 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:12:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86JC5cB015870 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86JC4iV015866 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86JC4SK016808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:12:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86JB226019636 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:11:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j86JAxb6020532 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.18]); Tue, 06 Sep 2005 15:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 15:10:59 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.907, required 6, AWL -0.75, BAYES_80 1.66) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > I have been repairing computers for firends and co-workers for years. > I am seriously tinnking abouting hanging my shingle and making a go of > doing it part time then full time when I build enough business. Can > anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. > Well, not trying to necessarily burst your bubble, but have you run the numbers on that scenario? You have to break it down to something like "I need ## of billable hours per day to make a decent living" Then you have to think, can I even get that many billable hours in a day?? I was thinking about doing this also and it came down to the fact that there is no way in reality that I can get that much work. Now what I've discovered is that those small consulting companies that do make enough to make a living have focused on small business instead of home users. There is a huge market for home user computer consulting.. the problem is you can't charge them enough to make a living from it. However, with small businesses, you can get away with charging enough and make a profit. It boils down to this... to make a decent living, you'd have to charge home users more than $65/hr. which, no home user, in their right mind, would pay that much (unless you're targeting a wealthy demographic/market segment). My independant research has shown me that $49/hr is about the maximum that people will tolerate (supply/demand analysis), but I've settled on $35/hr because I get more referrals if I'm a good value (and do good work). I only charge $25/hr for my customers that actually send me referrals, and that, in turn, snowballs my business. However, $65/hr for small businesses is CHEAP! You can probably get away with over $100-125/hr if you are doing network/server work because that is a more highly skilled requirement. And if you're really good, you'll score service agreements where a biz will pay you $$ per month to be 'on call'. Service agreements are the way to go. Especially if you can set up VNC and solve most of their problems from the comfort of your home. Then you have to consider insurance, taxes, fees, and a mirad of other factors that chip away at your profits (not to mention gas prices right now) Personally, I've found that home PC work is a great supplemental income... it scores me about $150-200 cash per week, which is nice. Then I have my main job programming which is my bread and butter (steady income, insurance, tuition reimbursement, etc.) With all that said, I agree with a previous poster's response that word of mouth is the most effective advertising. Apart from that, maybe postcard mailers (but then you have an issue with the legality of advertising... do your research, you could get sued over a typo!) FL has laws that regulate advertising... I think you can go to www.myflorida.com to read the regs. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 16:00:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86K0lRv016245 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:00:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86K0lbd016244 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:00:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86K0leS016240 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:00:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86K0kEt020336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:00:46 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86K0Vmp006752 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:00:32 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so691653wra for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=teoiiIAxn88yflAO034ndSMrfUU9PkRb5wtpfvMPggu3LBY6NNkPXruO64CMnGs9Cjhb8p9CYZ5uJPzNx/iNE0Tcam11qMTyMZHnzF9UZ31aApSIka1qo75hiIaCLVfXP0oKecqE4eBEF4VHUR3jPtZGcxfoVPLcMfEei5hvbRA= Received: by 10.54.117.20 with SMTP id p20mr4607778wrc; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.33.28 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:00:26 -0400 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-Reply-To: <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.283, required 6, AWL -1.28) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j86K0leS016241 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i play resident computer expert in the park i live in. built 12 computers so far. pays not too bad. On 9/6/05, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > Joe Brandt wrote: > > > I have been repairing computers for firends and co-workers for years. > > I am seriously tinnking abouting hanging my shingle and making a go of > > doing it part time then full time when I build enough business. Can > > anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. > > > Well, not trying to necessarily burst your bubble, but have you run the > numbers on that scenario? You have to break it down to something like > "I need ## of billable hours per day to make a decent living" Then you > have to think, can I even get that many billable hours in a day?? I > was thinking about doing this also and it came down to the fact that > there is no way in reality that I can get that much work. > > Now what I've discovered is that those small consulting companies that > do make enough to make a living have focused on small business instead > of home users. There is a huge market for home user computer > consulting.. the problem is you can't charge them enough to make a > living from it. However, with small businesses, you can get away with > charging enough and make a profit. It boils down to this... to make a > decent living, you'd have to charge home users more than $65/hr. which, > no home user, in their right mind, would pay that much (unless you're > targeting a wealthy demographic/market segment). My independant > research has shown me that $49/hr is about the maximum that people will > tolerate (supply/demand analysis), but I've settled on $35/hr because I > get more referrals if I'm a good value (and do good work). I only > charge $25/hr for my customers that actually send me referrals, and > that, in turn, snowballs my business. > > However, $65/hr for small businesses is CHEAP! You can probably get > away with over $100-125/hr if you are doing network/server work because > that is a more highly skilled requirement. And if you're really good, > you'll score service agreements where a biz will pay you $$ per month to > be 'on call'. Service agreements are the way to go. Especially if you > can set up VNC and solve most of their problems from the comfort of your > home. > > Then you have to consider insurance, taxes, fees, and a mirad of other > factors that chip away at your profits (not to mention gas prices right now) > > Personally, I've found that home PC work is a great supplemental > income... it scores me about $150-200 cash per week, which is nice. > Then I have my main job programming which is my bread and butter (steady > income, insurance, tuition reimbursement, etc.) > > With all that said, I agree with a previous poster's response that word > of mouth is the most effective advertising. Apart from that, maybe > postcard mailers (but then you have an issue with the legality of > advertising... do your research, you could get sued over a typo!) FL > has laws that regulate advertising... I think you can go to > www.myflorida.com to read the regs. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 16:48:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Kmh8h016616 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:48:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86KmheK016615 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:48:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86KmgJE016611 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:48:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86KmgBu023755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:48:42 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86KmW4W014825 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:48:32 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so1047860rna for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Pkzo3gRYmB4n++XUBOEx0oaxT3NQoC4hmCgPifHoSPsShYQym6fBPJZNrvR8hETojWnP+1HHhNC0ojimcIvVRvfjfg/3U4Zuvdu2Xf40Li4u+7fM3Gcfybdkp1v8MRtxdLhBF1XmkjAkK6PcB1PZ48MR0lXkcjwsgX1u0P7DPGY= Received: by 10.38.151.48 with SMTP id y48mr777717rnd; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.16 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:48:31 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5992_25383592.1126039711269" References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.955, required 6, AWL -1.05, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_5992_25383592.1126039711269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Have you seen what geek squad charges?=20 $90 for a data backup. How long does it take to burn CD's? $30 to install software $160 setup wireless for 2 systems $230 for what amounts to clean spyware and do updates! You don't have to be cheap. You just need to remind people what the=20 alternatives are. > > > > Now what I've discovered is that those small consulting companies that > > do make enough to make a living have focused on small business instead > > of home users. There is a huge market for home user computer > > consulting.. the problem is you can't charge them enough to make a > > living from it. However, with small businesses, you can get away with > > charging enough and make a profit. It boils down to this... to make a > > decent living, you'd have to charge home users more than $65/hr. which, > > no home user, in their right mind, would pay that much (unless you're > > targeting a wealthy demographic/market segment). My independant > > research has shown me that $49/hr is about the maximum that people will > > tolerate (supply/demand analysis), but I've settled on $35/hr because I > > get more referrals if I'm a good value (and do good work). I only > > charge $25/hr for my customers that actually send me referrals, and > > that, in turn, snowballs my business. > > > > However, $65/hr for small businesses is CHEAP! You can probably get > > away with over $100-125/hr if you are doing network/server work because > > that is a more highly skilled requirement. And if you're really good, > > you'll score service agreements where a biz will pay you $$ per month t= o > > be 'on call'. Service agreements are the way to go. Especially if you > > can set up VNC and solve most of their problems from the comfort of you= r > > home. > > > > Then you have to consider insurance, taxes, fees, and a mirad of other > > factors that chip away at your profits (not to mention gas prices right= =20 > now) > > > > Personally, I've found that home PC work is a great supplemental > > income... it scores me about $150-200 cash per week, which is nice. > > Then I have my main job programming which is my bread and butter (stead= y > > income, insurance, tuition reimbursement, etc.) >=20 > ------=_Part_5992_25383592.1126039711269 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Have you seen what geek squad charges?

$90 for a data backup.  How long does it take to burn CD's?
$30 to install software
$160 setup wireless for 2 systems
$230 for what amounts to clean spyware and do updates!

You don't have to be cheap.  You just need to remind people what the a= lternatives are.


>
= > Now what I've discovered is that those small consulting companies that
> do make enough to make a living have focused on small business ins= tead
> of home users.  There is a huge market for home user= computer
> consulting.. the problem is you can't charge them enough = to make a
> living from it.  However, with small businesses, you can= get away with
> charging enough and make a profit.   =  It boils down to this... to make a
> decent living, you'd have = to charge home users more than $65/hr.  which,
> no home user, in their right mind, would pay that much (unless you= 're
> targeting a wealthy demographic/market segment).  My = independant
> research has shown me that $49/hr is about the maximum = that people will
> tolerate (supply/demand analysis), but I've settled on $35/hr beca= use I
> get more referrals if I'm a good value (and do good work).&nb= sp; I only
> charge $25/hr for my customers that actually send m= e referrals, and
> that, in turn, snowballs my business.
>
> However, $65= /hr for small businesses is CHEAP!    You can probably = get
> away with over $100-125/hr if you are doing network/server work= because
> that is a more highly skilled requirement.  And = if you're really good,
> you'll score service agreements where a biz will pay you $$ per mo= nth to
> be 'on call'.   Service agreements are the way to = go.  Especially if you
> can set up VNC and solve most of t= heir problems from the comfort of your
> home.
>
> Then you have to consider insurance, taxes, = fees, and a mirad of other
> factors that chip away at your profits (= not to mention gas prices right now)
>
> Personally, I've found= that home PC work is a great supplemental
> income... it scores me about $150-200 cash per week, which is nice= .
> Then I have my main job programming which is my bread and butter = (steady
> income, insurance, tuition reimbursement, etc.)


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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 16:57:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86KvIta016673 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:57:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86KvISB016672 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:57:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86KvIeV016668 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:57:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86KvEn9024250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:57:18 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Kv5w2007158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:57:06 -0400 Received: from 135-31.119-70.tampabay.res.rr.com ([70.119.31.135]:1701 helo=[192.168.1.4]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ECkUu-0000Nz-De for slug@nks.net; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:56:52 -0400 Message-ID: <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:56:47 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050802) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.706, required 6, AWL 0.20, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Shaw wrote: > Have you seen what geek squad charges? > > $90 for a data backup. How long does it take to burn CD's? > $30 to install software > $160 setup wireless for 2 systems > $230 for what amounts to clean spyware and do updates! > > You don't have to be cheap. You just need to remind people what the > alternatives are. Like Linux? - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:06:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86L6Qhb016753 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:06:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86L6Qd1016752 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:06:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86L6PlN016748 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:06:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86L6PR5024894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:06:25 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86L65Xf030446 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:06:05 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so1050196rna for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nf0ArUmYoMpL+98p5dRgS4oOqBwARmuyTedvaziicbidFKsIiYIpO0wheQbjkBQ6g6eavsNB09s/PmRHror0SXXAfff7P9Bx2tmVXF6MMFYOfvNsuLyYj877a9AUGQm8lgWrhnllVk83eTzos9bqzs8P0pYP9Qfj2m3oEuLtm/w= Received: by 10.38.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr729772rnb; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.16 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:05:31 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-Reply-To: <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6028_33406717.1126040731700" References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.414, required 6, AWL -1.51, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_6028_33406717.1126040731700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/6/05, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: >=20 > Bill Shaw wrote: >=20 > > Have you seen what geek squad charges? > > > > $90 for a data backup. How long does it take to burn CD's? > > $30 to install software > > $160 setup wireless for 2 systems > > $230 for what amounts to clean spyware and do updates! > > > > You don't have to be cheap. You just need to remind people what the > > alternatives are. >=20 >=20 > Like Linux? >=20 > - Robin LOL! You aren't likely to get any disagreement on that but they guy wants to mak= e=20 a living here. If anything is a sure bet it's someone with Windows that wil= l=20 pay over and over for a system cleanup. ------=_Part_6028_33406717.1126040731700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 9/6/05, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller <= robin@roblimo.com> wrote:
Bill Shaw wrote:

> Have you seen what geek squad charges?
>=
> $90 for a data backup.  How long does it take to burn CD= 's?
> $30 to install software
> $160 setup wireless for 2 syste= ms
> $230 for what amounts to clean spyware and do updates!
>
>= You don't have to be cheap.  You just need to remind people what= the
> alternatives are.


Like Linux?

- Robin

 

LOL!

You aren't likely to get any disagreement on that but they guy wants to make a living here.  If anything is a sure bet it's someone with Windows that will pay over and over for a system cleanup.
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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:14:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LEXLb016809 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86LEX76016808 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LEXXn016804 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LEX0s025418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:33 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LEOAJ017004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:24 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LENIG027345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:14:23 -0400 Message-ID: <431E069B.8020009@nks.net> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:14:03 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050325) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.905, required 6, AWL -1.38, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Shaw wrote: > Have you seen what geek squad charges? > > $90 for a data backup. How long does it take to burn CD's? > $30 to install software > $160 setup wireless for 2 systems > $230 for what amounts to clean spyware and do updates! > > You don't have to be cheap. You just need to remind people what the > alternatives are. For some reason, most home users try to get away with paying as little as possible, regardless of the complexity of the task (usually because they have little understanding of what their problem really is). And the wealthier they are, the tighter they are on the pocket book. My approach is usually to say, "my rate starts at $100 an hour and goes up from there if it's very technical stuff, but I'm good at what I do and try to get out of your hair as fast as I can". If it's something small that doesn't promise to be fun or entertaining, or someone that doesn't appear to be pleasant on the phone, I refer them to the SLUG list and suggest they ask for help from one of the others on the list. But I'm not in it for the money. I have a nice day job I'm quite happy with (hey, you can't beat playing with opensource all day and getting paid for it!) Any work usually ends up after hours, usually during the weekend when I have some free time. If I get there and have a little fun or learn something new, I'll say "don't worry about it, the first hit is free", and wonder away with a very happy person that will probably recommend me to their friends. In any case, it's good word-of-mouth advertising that grows your world a little. If I get there and it's a pain in the behind, or if they're being really irritating or demanding, I'll be sure to repeat my billrate again and perhaps make them a little guilty about it. The trick with most home users is not getting used by them. People will abuse you if they think they can get away with it. Most small companies will pay you whatever they have to to fix their problem, and will usually bend over backward if it is particularly complicated to solve. Those kind of problems usually end up being the most interesting to me anyway. It continually amazes me the number of small businesses in the area that have no absolutely no understanding of basic IT. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:18:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LI74K016888 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:18:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86LI7oZ016887 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:18:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LI72q016883 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:18:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LI6qF025656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:18:06 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LHffc009957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:17:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.8.28] (deepthought.digitalhermit.com [192.168.8.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j86LGNff006646 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:16:23 -0400 Message-ID: <431E06DE.9090301@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:15:10 -0400 From: Kwan Lowe User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.546, required 6, AWL -0.55, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > I have been repairing computers for firends and co-workers for years. I > am seriously tinnking abouting hanging my shingle and making a go of > doing it part time then full time when I build enough business. Can > anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. Give talks, answer questions online, hand out cards at computer shows, leave cards with people at CompUSA, word of mouth. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:33:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LXt4V017012 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:33:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86LXtbk017011 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:33:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LXsDV017007 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:33:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LXsGY026657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:33:54 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LXZB9022701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:33:36 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LXZFI028438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:33:35 -0400 Message-ID: <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:33:15 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050325) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.737, required 6, AWL 0.16, BAYES_00 -4.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Shaw wrote: > LOL! > > You aren't likely to get any disagreement on that but they guy wants > to make a living here. If anything is a sure bet it's someone with > Windows that will pay over and over for a system cleanup. Ugh. That kind of thinking is disturbing. I rarely get second calls for "cleaning" Windows boxes (probably because I give them such a hard time the first visit ;) If you load up a PC with AdAware, Microsoft Anti-Spyware, AVG, ClamAV, XP SP2 firewalling, Microsoft Updates, Firefox, and anything else you can while extolling on the user the virtues of your Mac and Linux desktops that never have this problem, it's amazing how rarely you get return phonecalls. If the user can't comprehend a software firewall, they get an el-cheapo Linksys WRT54G. They get told to use Firefox, and how evil IE is. When I leave, they have the foundations for keeping a box "clean". How do people put up with this madness? They don't know any better. It's all about education. Sadly, after repeating this to a few hundred people, I usually just tell new callers "I don't do Windows." and leave it at that. It's easier that way. At one point it was necessary to educate Windows people about this kind of thing. Now when I wander across people not securing their own boxes, I consider it sheer laziness on their part, and a general waste of time and money by everyone involved. Anymore, creating new software that solves real world needs is far more enjoyable than firefighting. A decade ago, I thought firefighting was more rewarding (primarily a function of knowing "how things worked"), but the OpenSource toolkits just weren't around to do the things we can do today with a little well placed code. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:36:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LanGi017045 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:36:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86Lanu6017044 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:36:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Lampu017040 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:36:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LamlK026828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:36:48 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LaOE3015885 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:36:24 -0400 Received: from arthur ([71.100.35.51]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMF00MQ000N3281@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:36:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:36:17 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509061736.17958.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.459, required 6, AWL -0.05, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 06 September 2005 05:05 pm, Bill Shaw wrote: > On 9/6/05, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > > Bill Shaw wrote: > > > Have you seen what geek squad charges? > > > > > > $90 for a data backup. How long does it take to burn CD's? > > > $30 to install software > > > $160 setup wireless for 2 systems > > > $230 for what amounts to clean spyware and do updates! > > > > > > You don't have to be cheap. You just need to remind people what the > > > alternatives are. > > > > Like Linux? > > > > - Robin > > LOL! > > You aren't likely to get any disagreement on that but they guy wants to > make a living here. If anything is a sure bet it's someone with Windows > that will pay over and over for a system cleanup. There is this friend at work that I had to put on linux because I got tired of fixing his malware issues. His ISP shut off his e-mail because he was a spambot. I have not been back in 6 months. He loves it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:38:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Lc1uu017062 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:38:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86Lc1xK017061 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:38:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LbuZX017057 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:37:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LboiD026891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:37:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LbTpY032169 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:37:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j86LbReP014073 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.18]); Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:37:28 -0400 Message-ID: <431E0C16.1080302@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:37:26 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431E06DE.9090301@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <431E06DE.9090301@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Kwan Lowe wrote: > > Give talks, answer questions online, hand out cards at computer shows, > leave cards with people at CompUSA, word of mouth. I'll second that. My current gig is that I have established contacts in a couple of retired communities. They all seem to have computer clubs that meet weekly or monthly at their clubhouse. I'm working on a group right now that I'll be giving two different talks to. The first is on security (IE vs Firefox/Thunderbird, AVG/Avast, Adaware/SpybotS&D) and also wireless security. The second, I've found that retired folks are facinated by Google products. I'm going to talk about some advanced search features of Google and then introduce them to Google Maps and Google Earth. I do these talks for free and I hand out a summary of my talk with weblinks and quick references, papercliped with my business card. And the added benefit to this is that I get to plug some open-source products! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:42:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Lg2vo017114 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:42:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86Lg2uu017113 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:42:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Lg1DS017109 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:42:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Lg17x027186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:42:01 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LfVX9011281 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:41:32 -0400 Received: from intel3 (210-204.119-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.119.204.210]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j86LfSEh021573 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c5b32b$bd49c060$0300a8c0@intel3> From: "James S" To: References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:41:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.331, required 6, AWL -2.08, BAYES_99 5.40, EARN_MONEY 1.01) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net When i retire i will open my own shop so i can tinker. I've had 2 stores open and closed them both down. In both stores (one with a partner), the costs associated ended up eating all the profits. Your going to need around $10,000 to $20,000 just to have a good stock of parts. Even a small store is going to cost $500 a month, and then theres the phone bills, prepaid taxes, and a myrid of little things that eat away at the money. There are 2 kinds of puters you can sell. High end puters of which you will sell only a few. Low end in which you have to compete with the big stores. I was lucky to make $100 off each puter i sold. I had to sell a puter every day to break even. I make some money off damaged puters, most by lightning surges.I also work for a puter business parttime setting up wireless networks in homes.The guy has a shop but hes never there as hes setting up networks and doing housecall repairs on puters. His big money comes from 4 other businesses that he subcontracts as IT help. Otherwise he would be out of business as repairing puters just doesn't pay enough. I still make more money than he does with my full time job.He must really love doing this because i can't see spending most of my time working on other peoples puters for less than i'm making now. I fully expect the GEEK SQUAD to be forgotton in a year or two. I charge half their price and still get people grumbling about my prices. I get a lot of older junk puters tho. I have so many used parts( i pack rat) that i usually can put them back together. If i was smart i would have got a network certification long ago. Knowing how to set up a server for businesses and running the networking could have got me a few contracts of my own. They like to see the certification papers no matter how good you are( and i'm not really that good yet). Sorry to ramble on but i've already done that so now i'm just moving on to what really pays. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 17:55:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LtCIR017188 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:55:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86LtCdV017187 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:55:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LtCVI017183 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:55:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86Lt8QG028077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:55:12 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86LspFs003390 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:54:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMF00NWF0V62C09@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:54:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:54:21 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <001001c5b32b$bd49c060$0300a8c0@intel3> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431E100D.4080703@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <001001c5b32b$bd49c060$0300a8c0@intel3> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.508, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I as who pretty much work 90% of the time from home very little do I have to go out to see clients, it all about word of mouth. No point advertising as it useless. You will be just another ad among millions. about 80% of my bigger pay check giving clients came from word of mouth. The other 20% already knew me. I would not suggest this to anyone as it is just over bearing amount to work. It took me 1 year of hard times before getting the to the point where I am comfortable and can do stuff for people I like for free. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 18:27:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MRoS9017494 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:27:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86MRohR017493 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:27:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MRnU1017489 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:27:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MRnWw030561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:27:49 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MQKkE020044 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:26:20 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j86MQHb6001995 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509062226.j86MQHb6001995@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Marketing Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:26:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-index: AcWzCPYawmKCmtS3TeqG3wRTdAAb/AAJyVtg In-reply-to: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.014, required 6, AWL -1.01) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Can anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. Yes, but that misses the point. I started, ran and sold an IT business for 10 years. If you think about the time you've spent studying Linux, I think you'll agree that studying business and marketing merits about the same amount of time and energy. I'd suggest a couple of book you should read first. Growing a Business - Paul Hawken Selling the Invisible - Harry Beckwith Guerrilla Marketing - Jay Conrad Levinson Writing that Works - Kenneth Roman and Joel Raphaelson The first will help you understand what faces you and the basics of building a successful business. "Selling the Invisible" is good, because until you have performed the work, it IS invisible. "Guerrilla Marketing" shows you a lot of low-buck highly-effective marketing tips. "Writing that Works" will help you hone your writing skills. I know it seems odd-man-out in this group, but it really isn't. It is your writing that is seen in all your marketing and communications. Another thing I would suggest is for you to picture yourself already in the business, and paying the bills. Now what? Where will you grow it for the following 10 years. When computers are only $100, how will you make a living? See many TV repair shops? I don't want to discourage you, but you might want to think about the bigger picture and have some sort of long term plans. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brandt Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:27 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Marketing I have been repairing computers for firends and co-workers for years. I am seriously tinnking abouting hanging my shingle and making a go of doing it part time then full time when I build enough business. Can anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. Thank You Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 18:32:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MWtAJ017530 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:32:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86MWtCD017529 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:32:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MWtMC017525 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:32:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MWs0P030889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:32:54 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86MWh4Z028688 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:32:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j86MWeah010778 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 18:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.18]); Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:32:41 -0400 Message-ID: <431E1909.7020604@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:32:41 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <001001c5b32b$bd49c060$0300a8c0@intel3> In-Reply-To: <001001c5b32b$bd49c060$0300a8c0@intel3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.049, required 6, AWL -0.96, EARN_MONEY 1.01) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net James S wrote: >There are 2 kinds >of puters you can sell. High end puters of which you will sell only a few. >Low end in which you have to compete with the big stores. I was lucky to >make $100 off each puter i sold. I had to sell a puter every day to break >even. > I read a Business 2.0 article a few months ago about some hot startups. They said they predict a niche market for a "Pimp my PC" style business. If anyone is good with hacking PC mods, you could probably make a good go with this idea. I can see this kind of like the custom home theater installers of yore. There once was a time when you could make good money installing home theaters in wealthy people's houses. Now that market is a bit saturated. If you get in on this now, before it too becomes saturated, you stand a good chance of making some dough. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 19:29:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86NTL37017975 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:29:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j86NTLLi017974 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:29:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86NTKhF017970 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:29:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86NTKqn002263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:29:20 -0400 Received: from aaa.dreamhost.com (aaa.dreamhost.com [64.111.107.16]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j86NT0FL032721 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:29:00 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-155-195.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.155.195]) by aaa.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D67FC14F10 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 16:28:55 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:28:49 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509061928.49900.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 06 September 2005 13:26, Joe Brandt wrote: > I have been repairing computers for firends and co-workers for years. I > am seriously tinnking abouting hanging my shingle and making a go of > doing it part time then full time when I build enough business. Can > anyone reccommend an inexpensive advertising that works. The one thing that always seem to work is to simply call up companies and tell them you're just calling to make sure they don't have any problems. Always got me into the door someplace fast. People were amazed that someone cared. Have a few steady business clients to pay for all your basic bills is a good idea. Then always add one every now and then as you usually loose evey now and then for whatever reason. Now you can experiment with new types of customers. I always applied the same formula for programs I developed. First I got someone who needed something, then I wrote it. Never the other way around. Once delivered, I could go out and resell it to others. (Very few people paid my tripple rates not to have the same program compete with him in his city.) It's similar principle. Find a need before you fill it. Now you at least have a cash flow. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 6 20:09:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8709uWv018245 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:09:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8709uoa018244 for slug-track29; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:09:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8709tKC018240 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:09:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8709tLr004752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:09:55 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8709ZQ9028090 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:09:35 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so1070474rna for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LIqO5quVBgmRCfG1lg5YLrqylqK5DbrUKEsCChjZT9xyQBBxsKLqGbip10ty5EZhquGA/drSZVWtdkP3SZUQed1hOR8eL6FxaR4gc/42DqOe29yMniAQjzClF9tO+aVt90r/gAziq6OCY47cthkQzrR32C2I18BCyamZG6lsKbM= Received: by 10.38.98.5 with SMTP id v5mr842265rnb; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.16 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:09:35 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-Reply-To: <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6144_28680021.1126051775309" References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.193, required 6, AWL -0.89, BAYES_44 -0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_6144_28680021.1126051775309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >=20 > Ugh. That kind of thinking is disturbing. I rarely get second calls for > "cleaning" Windows boxes (probably because I give them such a hard time > the first visit ;) >=20 >=20 It's only disturbing if you think I was being serious. Education certainly= =20 is key but you can't tell me you've never had one person tell you "I don't= =20 care what the problem is...I just want it fixed" or something to that=20 effect. If it's someone you're doing a favor for then they don't get help= =20 until they're willing to listen. If they're paying it's their choice. The= =20 vast majority of people don't think like the people here. They know they=20 bought a Dell and it's not performing well. They don't know(or care like=20 above) that the problem is caused by security flaws in IE. ------=_Part_6144_28680021.1126051775309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

Ugh. Tha= t kind of thinking is disturbing. I rarely get second calls for
"cl= eaning" Windows boxes (probably because I give them such a hard time
the first visit ;)


It's only disturbing if you think I was being serious.  Education certainly is key but you can't tell me you've never had one person tell you "I don't care what the problem is...I just want it fixed" or something to that effect.  If it's someone you're doing a favor for then they don't get help until they're willing to listen.  If they're paying it's their choice.  The vast majority of people don't think like the people here.  They know they bought a Dell and it's not performing well.  They don't know(or care like above) that the problem is caused by security flaws in IE.
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 08:29:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTWtK024084 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87CTWQC024083 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTW8I024079 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTVNL027159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:32 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CSqhJ023273 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:28:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMG00C655C33DU9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:28:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:33:08 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.015, required 6, AWL -0.63, BAYES_44 -0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eric A. Hicks wrote: > maybe postcard mailers (but then you have an issue with the legality > of advertising... do your research, you could get sued over a typo!) > FL has laws that regulate advertising... I think you can go to > www.myflorida.com to read the regs Hi Eric! I think the state regs are only about highway signs. Postcards are unregulated by the state and local governments. US Post office has some requirements but the person who does your mailing will know what they are. Don't even think of doing your own bulk mail, cheaper to have it done. I have about 4,500 pieces going out next week. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 08:29:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTpvq024098 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87CTpWO024097 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CToZq024093 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CToRa027181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:50 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CSroc009245 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:28:53 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMG00C6N5C53DU9@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:28:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 00:41:11 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431E6F67.9040505@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.65, required 6, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > Bill Shaw wrote: > >> Have you seen what geek squad charges? >> >> $90 for a data backup. How long does it take to burn CD's? $30 to >> install software $160 setup wireless for 2 systems $230 for what >> amounts to clean spyware and do updates! >> >> You don't have to be cheap. You just need to remind people what >> the alternatives are. > > > > Like Linux? Hi Robin! How much to set up the latest MEPIS on the typical desktop including dial-up modem, wine, a few, uh - 'legacy' apps and parallel printer? :-) Could take twenty minutes, could take twenty days . . . Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 08:29:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTYIo024091 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87CTXcd024090 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTXI9024086 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTX28027161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:33 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CT5TQ021881 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMG00JN35C5LM61@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:28:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 01:43:27 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <431E069B.8020009@nks.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431E7DFF.5050600@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E069B.8020009@nks.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.678, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65, FU_FREE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian C. Blenke wrote: http://ian.blenke.com/ Hi Ian! Remarkable web site. How did you hit on the idea of having your top links so small? Can get lots and lots on the width of the page like that. And putting the content way down on the bottom keeps the casual browsers from even seeing it! I go the opposite way and I suspect I get nothing *but* casual browsers . I spent half the evening reading your links. I especially liked the one on the Linux Graphics. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 08:29:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTFD9024076 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87CTFVG024075 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTEWi024071 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CTEiA027138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:29:14 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87CSuKQ008210 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:28:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMG00ESM5C7E6M3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 07:28:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 02:04:17 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431E82E1.2030300@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.254, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian C. Blenke wrote: > el-cheapo Linksys WRT54G Hi Ian! Is this a good unit? They use this one and a Symantec VPN 200 where I am at the moment, someone else's wireless g. I have to be right in the room to get a signal, down the hall in my own workspace it dies. I can get anything in, sitting at the someone else's desk, but if I want to get mail out I have to store it until I get home or use web mail via my dial-up isp. Bummer. At home I just have the Westell whatever that verizon provides, weird shaped little bugger. Of course the machine itself is running guarddog. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 09:10:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DAY9c024376 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:10:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87DAYZX024375 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:10:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DAYJv024371 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:10:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DAXeX030084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:10:34 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DAKMX031850 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:10:20 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so803475wra for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 06:10:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZMYFgoaUDbyPOdkUJfwo6/K6uikFgO0j2wKvmQ5CT+85Hd0GvWLvIZEASX00UrOad4Wf0qjnbyuBblvW5s3k9ehkZeZZMqfInCUHmKFDCTphVQWmhQ6bStyLs0/DvcOrCTRwNE3vBWGcwDnI28K1M+X27uL6ghKMAjNZXTHiPGo= Received: by 10.54.29.44 with SMTP id c44mr2137863wrc; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 06:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.91.10 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88f827b605090706101d8d5297@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:10:18 -0400 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5178_24273973.1126098618614" References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.135, required 6, AWL -0.83, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_5178_24273973.1126098618614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/6/05, Bill Shaw wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > It's only disturbing if you think I was being serious. Education certainl= y=20 > is key but you can't tell me you've never had one person tell you "I don'= t=20 > care what the problem is...I just want it fixed" or something to that=20 > effect. If it's someone you're doing a favor for then they don't get help= =20 > until they're willing to listen. If they're paying it's their choice. The= =20 > vast majority of people don't think like the people here. They know they= =20 > bought a Dell and it's not performing well. They don't know(or care like= =20 > above) that the problem is caused by security flaws in IE. Amen to that! This list is full of computer enthusiasts. Sometimes we forge= t=20 that the VAST (and I mean VAST!) majority of people out there think of=20 computers as nothing more than tools to get things done faster and more=20 efficiently. By way of example, I myself am not an electrical engineer. I d= o=20 however use a drill now and then on some projects around the house. If that= =20 drill stops working, I don't really care that some capacitor in the case=20 just blew or that there is a flaw in the armature of the motor. All I know= =20 is that it doesn't work and I need one that does. So I either go and get it= =20 fixed, or more than likely, I buy a new one. To most people, their computer= =20 is nothing more than a power tool, and they only care about one thing: that= =20 it works. For those of us who are not only enthusiasts, but rely on the IT= =20 field for their livelyhood, we should welcome this thinking for it keeps us= =20 in a job. If everyone out there with a desktop or a laptop knew as much as= =20 some of us on this list know (only because we want to learn it), we would b= e=20 part of the 4.9% of the population standing in unemployment lines. It may frustrate some people, but I for one welcome this thinking as it=20 benefits me and my family. The Great American Experiment hard at work! Gott= a=20 love it! Cheers, Mav ------=_Part_5178_24273973.1126098618614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 9/6/05, Bill Shaw <bill.shaw@g= mail.com> wrote:



It's only disturbing if you think I was being serious.  Education certainly is key but you can't tell me you've never had one person tell you "I don't care what the problem is...I just want it fixed" or something to that effect.  If it's someone you're doing a favor for then they don't get help until they're willing to listen.  If they're paying it's their choice.  The vast majority of people don't think like the people here.  They know they bought a Dell and it's not performing well.  They don't know(or care like above) that the problem is caused by security flaws in IE.



Amen to that!  This list is full of computer enthusiasts.  Sometimes we forget that the VAST (and I mean VAST!) majority of people out there think of computers as nothing more than tools to get things done faster and more efficiently.  By way of example, I myself am not an electrical engineer.  I do however use a drill now and then on some projects around the house.  If that drill stops working, I don't really care that some capacitor in the case just blew or that there is a flaw in the armature of the motor.  All I know is that it doesn't work and I need one that does.  So I either go and get it fixed, or more than likely, I buy a new one.  To most people, their computer is nothing more than a power tool, and they only care about one thing: that it works.  For those of us who are not only enthusiasts, but rely on the IT field for their livelyhood, we should welcome this thinking for it keeps us in a job.  If everyone out there with a desktop or a laptop knew as much as some of us on this list know (only because we want to learn it), we would be part of the 4.9% of the population standing in unemployment lines.
It may frustrate some people, but I for one welcome this thinking as it benefits me and my family.  The Great American Experiment hard at work!  Gotta love it!

Cheers,       Mav

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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 09:31:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DV1GI024581 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:31:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87DV10h024580 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:31:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DV0NH024576 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:31:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DV0T5031568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:31:00 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87DUjX4028261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:30:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 32449 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 08:30:45 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 08:30:44 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5C4FB11EF50; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:17:24 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing Message-ID: <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.094, required 6, AWL -1.09, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:33:08AM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Don't even think of doing your own bulk > mail, cheaper to have it done. I have about 4,500 pieces going out next > week. Not true. I pay $150 per year for a bulk permit, and the cost can be a little over half the cost of first class postage, depending on how you do it. You do need to learn how to do bulk mail and get trays and such from the P.O. But you can definitely save money if you're willing to get your hands dirty. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 10:10:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87EA9xF024828 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:10:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87EA9hl024827 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:10:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87EA91C024823 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:10:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87EA9r2001517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:10:09 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87E9k5r001369 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:09:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMG005IXA09NGF5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:09:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:09:22 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431EF492.8020404@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.461, required 6, AWL 0.95, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 12:33:08AM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > > > >>Don't even think of doing your own bulk >>mail, cheaper to have it done. I have about 4,500 pieces going out next >>week. >> >> > >Not true. I pay $150 per year for a bulk permit, and the cost can be >a little over half the cost of first class postage, depending on how you >do it. You do need to learn how to do bulk mail and get trays and such >from the P.O. But you can definitely save money if you're willing to get >your hands dirty. > >Paul > > I think it on a perbusiness basis. it cheaper for me design my post card give it to USPS.com and they print it they bulk mail it they send it out. all for the cost less than 1 postage stamp. >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 14:20:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87IK4lo026846 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:20:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87IK4nl026845 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:20:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87IK3bS026838 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:20:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87IK3Oa019160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:20:03 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f3.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.92]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87IJXAj000808 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:19:33 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:19:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 18:19:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Volunteers for Software Freedom Day - Tampa Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 14:19:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 18:19:29.0171 (UTC) FILETIME=[AFAEE630:01C5B3D8] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.413, required 6, AWL -1.09, FU_FREE 0.10, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.76, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello fellow Sluggers, I could really use some volunteers at MOSI this Saturday to help run the SFD exhibit. As a reminder, the event is from 10 a.m. - 4 p.m. but I'll be there at 9 a.m to set up everything. If you are able assist during any of those hours, it would be appreciated. We are also still in need of some desktops/laptops to be used for demo machines. If you are able to bring one along, that would be a big help as well. Please let me know how you would like to get involved or add yourself to the volunteer list on the wiki: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Tampa Thanks! -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 16:02:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87K2Qlq027583 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:02:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87K2QCA027582 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:02:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87K2PZH027578 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:02:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87K2P3M026449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:02:25 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87K1sRB020472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:01:55 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87K1rKj014503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:01:54 -0400 Message-ID: <431F471D.5060900@nks.net> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:01:33 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050325) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E069B.8020009@nks.net> <431E7DFF.5050600@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <431E7DFF.5050600@acun.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.995, required 6, AWL -2.10, FU_FREE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete Theisen wrote: > Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > http://ian.blenke.com/ > > Hi Ian! > > Remarkable web site. How did you hit on the idea of having your top > links so small? Can get lots and lots on the width of the page like that. The top links are just the category drilldown and bread crumbs. As something that few will use, a smaller font seemed more appropriate. > And putting the content way down on the bottom keeps the casual > browsers from even seeing it! I go the opposite way and I suspect I > get nothing *but* casual browsers . Eh? What browser are you using? Works fine for me in Mozilla, Firefox, and Safari at a reasonable resolution. The problem is with CSS relative layout and the various browsers. If your screen is too small, the articles show up below the left bar, which is a bit wacky. I'm no CSS expert (it's rather quite horrid when you look at it). The idea isn't to hide the content at all. If that is happening to you, my apologies. > I spent half the evening reading your links. I especially liked the > one on the Linux Graphics. > > A great breakdown of current and future Linux graphics tech, that. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 16:10:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87KAqxJ027638 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:10:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87KAqqu027637 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:10:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87KAqqC027633 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:10:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87KAq3U027009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:10:52 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87KAYmD014247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:10:34 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87KAYBK014893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:10:34 -0400 Message-ID: <431F4925.4010604@nks.net> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:10:13 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050325) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] WRT54G (was Marketing) References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> <431E82E1.2030300@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <431E82E1.2030300@acun.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.975, required 6, AWL -1.98) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete Theisen wrote: > Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > >> el-cheapo Linksys WRT54G > > Is this a good unit? They use this one and a Symantec VPN 200 where I am > at the moment, someone else's wireless g. I have to be right in the room > to get a signal, down the hall in my own workspace it dies. It works well for me. The broadcom reference design has a number of open implementations, Linksys seems to have the most inexpensive. As for firmware support, I recommend "upgrading" to another WRT distribution for various reasons. dd-wrt - http://www.dd-wrt.com/ FreeMan - http://wrt54g.serwer.net/ openwrt - http://openwrt.org/ The default transmit strength can be "turned up" a bit from the default firmware that comes with the Linksys (there is a real limit, of course, but turning up the transmit strength from 30 to 80 or so really does seem to help). Also, with the appropriate antenna, you can focus things a bit to strengthen transmission through thick walls or other obstacles. > At home I just have the Westell whatever that verizon provides, weird > shaped little bugger. Of course the machine itself is running guarddog. The nice thing about using something based on OpenSource tech is the ability to flash your own firmware to do whatever you want - you no longer need to run a firewall on your machine if the AP is acting as a solid firewall with appropriate WPA wireless security. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 17:28:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87LSm2w028250 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j87LSmv7028249 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87LSlVK028245 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87LSlg1032734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:47 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j87LSUIb014771 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:30 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j87LSSEh001874 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-Reply-To: <431F471D.5060900@nks.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Pete Theisen wrote: > > > Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > > > http://ian.blenke.com/ > > > > And putting the content way down on the bottom keeps the casual > > browsers from even seeing it! I go the opposite way and I suspect I > > get nothing *but* casual browsers . > > Eh? What browser are you using? Works fine for me in Mozilla, Firefox, > and Safari at a reasonable resolution. Guess Opera's CSS support is lacking: http://24.94.123.65:81/blenke/ > The problem is with CSS relative layout and the various browsers. If > your screen is too small, the articles show up below the left bar, which > is a bit wacky. I'm no CSS expert (it's rather quite horrid when you > look at it). Not that... my screen's 1536x1152, and the browsers are 1420x1116. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 22:17:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882HaKn030474 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:17:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j882HaoQ030473 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:17:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882HaSv030469 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:17:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882Ha2m022632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:17:36 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882HTWD022735 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:17:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMH00LUB7ORN8L8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:17:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:17:27 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.072, required 6, AWL 0.07, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >> Don't even think of doing your own bulk mail, cheaper to have it >> done. I have about 4,500 pieces going out next week. > > Not true. I pay $150 per year for a bulk permit, and the cost can be > a little over half the cost of first class postage, depending on how > you do it. You do need to learn how to do bulk mail and get trays and > such from the P.O. But you can definitely save money if you're > willing to get your hands dirty. Hi Paul! Really! Have you figured yourself an hourly rate for getting your hands dirty as you put it, or do you have yourself on salary? That is what I was getting at, *all* the costs. Wages for whoever does it, supplies, postage, a mailing list, the permit you mentioned, printing/folding/stuffing machines, forklift, truck and a place to keep all of it . . . You add all that up and you are working awfully hard to pay about the same, usually more. Of course, if you are in that business anyway . . . "Quill and Mouse" sounds like you might be. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 22:22:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882ML47030525 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:22:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j882MLsH030524 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:22:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882MLvf030520 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:22:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882MLw1022904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:22:21 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882M8kg004834 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:22:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMH004W57WK8KD0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:21:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:22:08 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <431F471D.5060900@nks.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431FA050.6080606@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E069B.8020009@nks.net> <431E7DFF.5050600@acun.com> <431F471D.5060900@nks.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.012, required 6, AWL -0.01, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian C. Blenke wrote: >> And putting the content way down on the bottom keeps the casual >> browsers from even seeing it! I go the opposite way and I suspect I >> get nothing *but* casual browsers . > > > Eh? What browser are you using? Works fine for me in Mozilla, > Firefox, and Safari at a reasonable resolution. > > The problem is with CSS relative layout and the various browsers. If > your screen is too small, the articles show up below the left bar, > which is a bit wacky. Hi Ian! Oh! When I use full screen I see what you mean. I thought you intended it that way! Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 22:27:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882RiGM030590 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:27:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j882RimX030589 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:27:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882RhnB030585 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:27:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882RhN0023241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:27:43 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j882RDGr019886 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:27:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMH00D5K8598R81@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:27:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 22:27:21 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] WRT54G (was Marketing) In-reply-to: <431F4925.4010604@nks.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431FA189.50805@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E028F.7010309@roblimo.com> <431E0B1B.3010107@nks.net> <431E82E1.2030300@acun.com> <431F4925.4010604@nks.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian C. Blenke wrote: >>> el-cheapo Linksys WRT54G >> >> Is this a good unit? They use this one and a Symantec VPN 200 where >> I am at the moment, someone else's wireless g. I have to be right >> in the room to get a signal, down the hall in my own workspace it >> dies. > > It works well for me. The broadcom reference design has a number of > open implementations, Linksys seems to have the most inexpensive. As > for firmware support, I recommend "upgrading" to another WRT > distribution for various reasons. > > dd-wrt - http://www.dd-wrt.com/ FreeMan - http://wrt54g.serwer.net/ > openwrt - http://openwrt.org/ > > The default transmit strength can be "turned up" Hi Ian! They'd have a cow if I switched their software to something else, I'll just live with it. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 7 23:16:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j883GHEJ030959 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:16:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j883GH8x030958 for slug-track29; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:16:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j883GHPK030954 for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:16:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j883GHVe026453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:16:17 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j883Fte0023665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:15:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 17570 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2005 22:15:51 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2005 22:15:51 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DE0AF11EF50; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:14:40 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing Message-ID: <20050908031440.GD1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.886, required 6, AWL 0.89, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 10:17:27PM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > >>Don't even think of doing your own bulk mail, cheaper to have it > >>done. I have about 4,500 pieces going out next week. > > > >Not true. I pay $150 per year for a bulk permit, and the cost can be > >a little over half the cost of first class postage, depending on how > >you do it. You do need to learn how to do bulk mail and get trays and > >such from the P.O. But you can definitely save money if you're > >willing to get your hands dirty. > > Hi Paul! > > Really! Have you figured yourself an hourly rate for getting your hands > dirty as you put it, or do you have yourself on salary? > > That is what I was getting at, *all* the costs. Wages for whoever does > it, supplies, postage, a mailing list, the permit you mentioned, > printing/folding/stuffing machines, forklift, truck and a place to keep > all of it . . . You add all that up and you are working awfully hard to > pay about the same, usually more. > > Of course, if you are in that business anyway . . . "Quill and Mouse" > sounds like you might be. We do desktop publishing (graphic design and typesetting), and we do mailing for our customers. And we charge _them_ less than first class postage would cost. But more than it would cost them to do the bulk mailings themselves. More to your point, though, in doing our own mailings for ourselves-- small business owners often consider their time worth zero, when it comes to certain aspects of their businesses. Like promotion. I won't work on my customers' jobs on the weekends or evenings, but I will spend time if needed doing our own promotion. It goes with the territory. Plus, I don't pay myself by the hour, so the more work my boss (me) can get out of me, the more he likes it. ;-} And I have to consider what profits I will reap as a result of the promotion I do. If I were just starting out, I'd be spending a lot more free time and straining my budget doing promotion. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 8 08:12:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88CCGVa002552 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:12:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j88CCGRH002551 for slug-track29; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:12:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88CCG8m002547 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:12:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88CCG6W003065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:12:16 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88CC3Bq023150 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:12:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMH006JDZ7U66W1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 07:11:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:29:29 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <20050908031440.GD1245@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <431FBE29.10402@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> <20050908031440.GD1245@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.664, required 6, AWL 0.07, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > >> Of course, if you are in that business anyway . . . "Quill and >> Mouse" sounds like you might be. > > > We do desktop publishing (graphic design and typesetting), and we do > mailing for our customers. And we charge _them_ less than first > class postage would cost. But more than it would cost them to do the > bulk mailings themselves. Hi Paul! I think I will continue to have my mailing done for me, the difference between the pennies I would save doing it myself would be unlikely to pay for the license, which you said was $150 per year. Love your website. Can't find your picture, though. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 8 09:15:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88DFtd0003025 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:15:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j88DFtTX003024 for slug-track29; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:15:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88DFtYa003020 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:15:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88DFth2007734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:15:55 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88DFjVA007132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:15:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 31173 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 08:15:44 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 08:15:44 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 54BFF11EF50; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:10:36 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing Message-ID: <20050908131036.GF1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> <20050908031440.GD1245@quillandmouse.com> <431FBE29.10402@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <431FBE29.10402@acun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.215, required 6, AWL 0.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:29:29AM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Love your website. Can't find your picture, though. There's a good reason for that. ;-} Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 8 13:24:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HOZ3u004829 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:24:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j88HOZnv004828 for slug-track29; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:24:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HOYKJ004824 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:24:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HOYmJ026625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:24:34 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HO538024175 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:24:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.3.2] (165-108.202-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.202.108.165]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j88HO2GK018384 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050908131036.GF1245@quillandmouse.com> References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> <20050908031440.GD1245@quillandmouse.com> <431FBE29.10402@acun.com> <20050908131036.GF1245@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F36BAED-C7DE-451A-9AB5-BB80B381E6EE@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: A J Ivanciw Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:24:02 -0400 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.285, required 6, SARE_FROM_LEAD_PREP 0.28) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Awww go on Paul Halloween is getting near !! A J On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:29:29AM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > > >> Love your website. Can't find your picture, though. >> > > There's a good reason for that. ;-} > > Paul > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 8 13:37:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88Hbpcs004958 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:37:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j88HbpMU004957 for slug-track29; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:37:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88Hbpd2004953 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:37:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88Hbphs027698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:37:51 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao06.cox.net (eastrmmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HbQLc026724 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:37:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.97.91.216]) by eastrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050908173726.KRCH18478.eastrmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:37:26 -0400 Message-ID: <432076C3.4050002@cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 12:37:07 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Debian resolution again. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.81, required 6, AWL 0.29, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, all. I just got a new toy today. I put my 17" Dell E770s to pasture and picked up a Compaq P110. This new monitor is a 21" CRT with a resolution of 1600x1200. (Ebay, $30.) I plugged it in, and it displays, but even when I run my "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", in KDE the resolution won't go any higher than 1280x1024. Could I have hit a ceiling on my video card's capabilities, or am I just doing something wrong? I don't really know what kind of card it is, but I suppose that's the next step. Also, I may try booting up without the desktop manager and run it again to see if that does any good. Thanks, Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 8 13:59:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HxVHt005082 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:59:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j88HxVof005081 for slug-track29; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:59:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HxUKY005077 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:59:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88HxUYC029299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:59:30 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88Hvvb0018598 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:57:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j88HvsGK016638 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian resolution again. Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:58:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <432076C3.4050002@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <432076C3.4050002@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509081358.02136.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.562, required 6, AWL -0.56) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 08 September 2005 13:37, michael hast wrote: > Hey, all. > > I just got a new toy today. I put my 17" Dell E770s to pasture and > picked up a Compaq P110. This new monitor is a 21" CRT with a > resolution of 1600x1200. (Ebay, $30.) I plugged it in, and it > displays, but even when I run my "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", in > KDE the resolution won't go any higher than 1280x1024. Could I have hit > a ceiling on my video card's capabilities, or am I just doing something > wrong? I don't really know what kind of card it is, but I suppose > that's the next step. Also, I may try booting up without the desktop > manager and run it again to see if that does any good. > Thanks, > Michael > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Whatever distro you are using, I can usually look around and find a list of installed hardware including more data than you can get by pulling the card and looking at it. Find out what card you have. How much videoram you have and Google it to see if it supports the resolution you want. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 8 15:13:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88JDbjd005640 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j88JDbDQ005639 for slug-track29; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88JDaOR005635 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88JDan6002933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:36 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao03.cox.net (centrmmtao03vip.cox.net [68.1.16.141] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j88JDKNf021938 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050908191316.TZNK3718.centrmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:16 -0400 Message-ID: <43208D3B.6030904@cox.net> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:12:59 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Debian resolution again. References: <432076C3.4050002@cox.net> <200509081358.02136.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200509081358.02136.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.889, required 6, AWL 0.22, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >Whatever distro you are using, I can usually look around and >find a list of installed hardware including more data than you >can get by pulling the card and looking at it. >Find out what card you have. How much videoram you have >and Google it to see if it supports the resolution you want. > > Richard Smoot > > Whenever I have set up these machines, I haven't had a name-brand card, so I've just selected "vesa" and generic, etc. I looked at the card and went back to the reconfig, and told it that it is in fact an ATI Radeon 9200 w/128MB. I rebooted and now I'm in business. Everything seems to be running smoother than ever, and I'm at the proper resolution. Apparently, I wasn't doing it right and just needed to play with it a little more. Thank you Richard! --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 8 22:52:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j892qcGY009199 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:52:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j892qcVm009198 for slug-track29; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:52:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j892qbUt009194 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:52:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j892qbu7002584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:52:37 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j892qKbA010027 for ; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:52:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMJ00ETN3Z7DUT9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:52:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 22:52:32 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing In-reply-to: <20050908131036.GF1245@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4320F8F0.1070706@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> <20050908031440.GD1245@quillandmouse.com> <431FBE29.10402@acun.com> <20050908131036.GF1245@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.264, required 6, AWL -0.26) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:29:29AM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > >> Love your website. Can't find your picture, though. > > > There's a good reason for that. ;-} Hi Paul! You can't be any more unattractive than I, or especially more modest either. You should post just a little picture, makes the site more personal. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 00:00:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8940uEm009685 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:00:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8940uwv009684 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:00:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8940uTq009680 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:00:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8940toF007631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:00:56 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8940iOP005292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:00:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 15747 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2005 23:00:43 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2005 23:00:43 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACB4211EF50; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:53:10 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Marketing Message-ID: <20050909035310.GG1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <431DD15D.5090809@verizon.net> <431DE9C3.4070507@tampabay.rr.com> <431E6D84.1080902@acun.com> <20050907131723.GB1245@quillandmouse.com> <431F9F37.1020808@acun.com> <20050908031440.GD1245@quillandmouse.com> <431FBE29.10402@acun.com> <20050908131036.GF1245@quillandmouse.com> <4320F8F0.1070706@acun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4320F8F0.1070706@acun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 10:52:32PM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > >On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 12:29:29AM -0400, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > > > > > >>Love your website. Can't find your picture, though. > > > > > >There's a good reason for that. ;-} > > Hi Paul! > > You can't be any more unattractive than I, or especially more modest > either. You should post just a little picture, makes the site more personal. Oh, I could definitely be _much_ more modest! ;-} Seriously, we're a two person company, just my wife and myself. Our opinion is that two people = amateur to most people. So we've purposely made the site so that it doesn't reflect who works here nor how many. Plus, believe it or not, I personally prefer privacy and anonymity when I can get it. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 05:24:27 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j899ORtj012442 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:24:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j899OR72012441 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:24:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j899ORaB012437 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:24:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j899OR1M004851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:24:27 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j899O0hC017145 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:24:00 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so1170229wra for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:23:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:date:to:subject:from:content-type:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:user-agent; b=FuOd5KNdT/F59dG5vWL2rjbGbMtNhl1Mm+mOZjjKfNEStdM6jQtRViJfB438v/UOY/CxqdnEMGLgnPVtmpdXN4xvL5FOSj9qcYVbQHT+7fgdJpvUKs5cMvp6tN7LU9TCadyS07Xzrm3bT0xDXcBgn6rmKjYp6OwIHt0EWuq/NBc= Received: by 10.54.119.12 with SMTP id r12mr127696wrc; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from angel ( [24.28.27.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g12sm970126wra.2005.09.09.02.23.52; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:23:49 -0400 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Latest Earnings Release from SCO - Will they make it to collect from IBM? From: "Steven Buehler" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera M2/8.02 (MacPPC, build 2148) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=8.62, required 6, MANGLED_SAVELE 1.00, NO_OBLIGATION 1.25, RCVD_IN_DSBL 1.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_FWDLOOK 1.67, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32, US_DOLLARS_3 0.64) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net * Their asset value has dropped by almost HALF since October 2004. At the rate they are burning cash they may not be a going concern before the trial with IBM starts. SWB ---------- The SCO Group Announces Third Quarter Fiscal 2005 Results LINDON, Utah, Sept 07, 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- The SCO Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: SCOX), a leading provider of UNIX(R) software technology for distributed, embedded and network-based systems, today reported results for its fiscal third quarter ended July 31, 2005. Revenue for the third quarter of fiscal year 2005 was $9,353,000 as compared to $11,205,000 for the comparable quarter of the prior year. The decrease in revenue in the third quarter of fiscal year 2005 from the comparable quarter of the prior year was primarily due to continued competitive pressures on the Company's UNIX products and services and a decrease in SCOsource licensing revenue. The net loss attributable to common stockholders for the third quarter of fiscal year 2005 was $(2,372,000), or $(0.13) per diluted common share, as compared to net income available to common stockholders of $7,501,000 or $0.38 per diluted common share for the comparable quarter of the prior year. Included in the net income available to common stockholders for the third quarter of fiscal year 2004 was a one-time contribution of capital of $14,924,000 recorded as a dividend. Exclusive of this dividend, the net loss for the third quarter of fiscal year 2004 was $(7,423,000). "The third quarter was a productive quarter for SCO," said Darl McBride, President and CEO of The SCO Group. "Our UNIX business operated profitably for the third consecutive quarter and we launched SCO OpenServer 6 which has received many favorable reviews and is showing traction with customers. We also recently concluded our annual SCO Forum event in Las Vegas and received positive feedback on our UNIX business from the partners, resellers and customers who attended the event." McBride concluded, "Finally, we remain committed to pursuing our legal strategy in the courtroom and look forward to presenting our case in February 2007." Revenue for the nine months ended July 31, 2005 was $27,476,000 as compared to $32,734,000 for the nine months ended July 31, 2004. The net loss attributable to common stockholders for the first nine months of fiscal year 2005 was $(7,295,000), or $(0.41) per diluted common share, as compared to a net loss attributable to common stockholders of $(9,711,000), or $(0.67) per diluted common share for the first nine months of fiscal year 2004. Cash and cash equivalents and available-for-sale securities were $12,602,000 as of July 31, 2005. In addition, $3,579,000 is held in an escrow account and is classified as a component of restricted cash as of July 31, 2005, to be used to pay for certain expenses associated with our litigation. UNIX Business The Company released SCO OpenServer 6 on June 22, 2005 at an event for SCO's software and hardware partners, customers, and members of the media and analyst community in New York City at Yankee Stadium. SCO OpenServer 6 has been the subject of numerous positive reviews by analysts and the media including eWeek, Networkworld and UnixReview. SCO resellers have received a high level of interest in this upgrade from their customers due to the product's increased performance, support for more powerful hardware and a broader array of applications as well as significant security and stability enhancements. The Company's UNIX business was profitable during the third quarter. This marks the third consecutive quarter of profitability for the UNIX business, and SCO's executive team remains committed to running a profitable UNIX business in future quarters. Conference Call As previously announced, The SCO Group will host a conference call at 5:00 p.m. EDT today, September 7, 2005 to discuss its third quarter results. To participate in the teleconference, please call toll free 877-502-9276 or use the toll number 913-981-5591; confirmation code: 7700475, approximately five minutes prior to the time stated above. A listen-only Web cast of the call will be broadcast live with a replay available the following day. The Web cast and replay may be accessed from http://ir.sco.com/medialist.cfm. Forward-Looking Statements The statements contained in this press release regarding (i) our legal strategy and (ii) the future profitability of our UNIX business that are not historical facts are forward-looking statements and are made under the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties. We wish to advise readers that a number of important factors could cause actual results to differ materially from historical results or those anticipated in such forward-looking statements. These factors include, but are not limited to, continued competitive pressure on its operating system products which could impact the profitability of the UNIX business, unforeseen legal costs related to our litigation, our inability to develop new products and services, and our inability to see our litigation through to its conclusion. These and other factors could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated are discussed in more detail in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. These forward-looking statements speak only as of the date on which such statements are made, and SCO undertakes no obligation to update such statements to reflect events or circumstances arising after such date. About SCO The SCO Group, Inc. (Nasdaq: SCOX) is a leading provider of UNIX software technology for distributed, embedded and network-based systems, offering SCO OpenServer for small to medium business and UnixWare for enterprise applications and digital network services. SCO's highly innovative and reliable solutions help millions of customers to grow their businesses every day, from SCO OpenServer on main street to UnixWare on Wall Street, and beyond. SCO owns the core UNIX operating system originally developed by AT&T/Bell Labs and is the exclusive licensor to UNIX-based system software providers. Headquartered in Lindon, Utah, SCO has a worldwide network of thousands of resellers and developers. SCO Global Services provides reliable localized support and services to partners and customers. For more information on SCO products and services, visit http://www.sco.com. SCO and the associated SCO logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of The SCO Group, Inc. in the U.S. and other countries. UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group. All other brand or product names are or may be trademarks of, and are used to identify products or services of, their respective owners. Condensed Consolidated Balance Sheets Data (unaudited, in thousands) July 31, October 31, 2005 2004 Assets: Cash and cash equivalents $6,526 $12,693 Restricted cash 4,004 8,283 Available-for-sale securities 6,076 18,756 Accounts receivable, net 4,947 6,638 Other current assets 2,376 1,870 Total current assets 23,929 48,240 Property and equipment, net 578 649 Intangibles, net 3,383 5,413 Other assets 1,118 1,098 Total assets $29,008 $55,400 Liabilities: Accounts payable $1,337 $7,854 Accrued payroll and accrued expenses 5,449 7,224 Accrued compensation to law firms -- 7,956 Deferred revenue 4,021 4,877 Other current liabilities 2,059 4,916 Total current liabilities 12,866 32,827 Long-term liabilities 340 343 Common stock subject to rescission 1,104 528 Stockholders' equity 14,698 21,702 Total liabilities and stockholders' equity $29,008 $55,400 Condensed Consolidated Statements of Operations Data (unaudited, in thousands, except per share data) Three Months Ended Nine Months Ended July 31, July 31, 2005 2004 2005 2004 Products revenue $7,953 $8,929 $23,095 $27,056 SCOsource licensing revenue 32 678 132 709 Services revenue 1,368 1,598 4,249 4,969 Total revenue 9,353 11,205 27,476 32,734 Cost of products revenue 695 741 1,902 2,364 Cost of SCOsource licensing revenue 3,085 7,396 9,467 15,486 Cost of services revenue 700 878 2,195 3,273 Total cost of revenue 4,480 9,015 13,564 21,123 Gross margin 4,873 2,190 13,912 11,611 Operating expenses: Sales and marketing 2,935 4,233 8,835 13,952 Research and development 1,940 2,592 6,137 8,167 General and administrative 1,647 1,889 5,446 5,793 Loss on impairment of long-lived assets -- -- -- 2,139 Severance and exit costs -- -- -- 682 Amortization of intangibles 593 593 1,779 1,973 Stock-based compensation -- 270 22 868 Total operating expenses 7,115 9,577 22,219 33,574 Loss from operations (2,242) (7,387) (8,307) (21,963) Equity in income (loss) of affiliate (19) 41 51 115 Other income (expense), net (27) 99 1,282 6,284 Loss before income taxes (2,288) (7,247) (6,974) (15,564) Provision for income taxes (84) (176) (321) (1,270) Net loss (2,372) (7,423) (7,295) (16,834) Contribution from (dividends on) convertible preferred stock -- 14,924 -- 7,123 Net income available (loss applicable) to common stockholders $(2,372) $7,501 $(7,295) $(9,711) Basic net income (loss) per common share $(0.13) $0.49 $(0.41) $(0.67) Diluted net income (loss) per common share $(0.13) $0.38 $(0.41) $(0.67) Weighted average basic common shares outstanding 17,993 15,242 17,885 14,389 Weighted average diluted common shares outstanding 17,993 19,912 17,885 14,389 SOURCE The SCO Group, Inc. Blake Stowell of The SCO Group, +1-801-932-5703, bstowell@sco.com; or Anton Nicholas of Sloane & Company, +1-212-446-1889, anicholas@sloanepr.com, for The SCO Group, Inc. http://www.prnewswire.com -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 14:11:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89IBOXY016388 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:11:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89IBOLe016387 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:11:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89IBOHT016383 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:11:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89IBNFj016445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:11:24 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89IBBXv013832 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:11:11 -0400 Received: from arthur ([71.100.35.51]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMK00LA1AIFN70E@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:11:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:10:53 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.303, required 6, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. I can receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. Does anyone know any tricks to ( A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) or (B) Get around the block? I have a dynamic ip using ddclient on server. E-Smith SME-Server v6.6 with webmin. I can see the printer attached to the server but I can not print with it. Both Webmin and Server-Administrator recognize the printer and I have it shared with samba. Is there something I could install to let it use lpd over the network? Thanks in advance Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 14:50:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Io3ZM016692 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:50:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89Io3c4016691 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:50:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Io2Qk016687 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:50:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Io2jQ019664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:50:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89InaMi012706 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:49:36 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j89InXEh000256 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:47:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing In-Reply-To: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. I can > receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. Does anyone > know any tricks to ( > A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) > or > (B) Get around the block? Are you in Verizon's netblock? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar LIBRA: A big promotion is just around the corner for someone much more talented than you. Laughter is the very best medicine, remember that when your appendix bursts next week. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 15:32:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89JWZ8Z017026 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:32:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89JWZkh017025 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:32:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89JWYOV017021 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:32:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89JWYHi023125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:32:34 -0400 Received: from postman2.pboa.com (bdsl.66.12.253.246.gte.net [66.12.253.246]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89JWNrx016197 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:32:24 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:32:22 -0400 Message-ID: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC3027E04@postman2.pboa.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing Thread-Index: AcW1ay3LEvvJ+bMFQRWK846BNpsLTQACS9hg From: "Jeffrey Kroll" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.127, required 6, AWL 1.13) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j89JWYOV017022 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. > I can receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. > Does anyone know any tricks to ( > A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) or > (B) Get around the block? > > I have a dynamic ip using ddclient on server. E-Smith SME-Server v6.6 > with webmin. > > I can see the printer attached to the server but I can not print with > it. > Both Webmin and Server-Administrator recognize the printer and I have > it shared with samba. Is there something I could install to let it > use lpd over the network? > > Thanks in advance > Joe Brandt > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. If you are contained within verizon's netblock there is nothing easy that you can do. You have a couple options which may not be options in your case as they usually cost money. 1) upgrade to a static ip (usually done by going to a business grade account) 2) use a relay server that's on a static ip (most decent mail servers that are setup today refuse mail from any ip address listed in a dynamic ip address range) 3) have someone with a static ip address allow you to relay through there server (with permission of course) I will talk to you more tomorrow about this at the SFD event. ---- Name: Jeffrey Kroll Email: jkroll@pboa.com Phone: 941.955.0793 ext 360 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 15:44:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89JiKVX017116 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:44:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89JiKJQ017115 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:44:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89JiKSm017111 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:44:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89JiJo9024136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:44:20 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Ji81x028039 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:44:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMK00E8EETKE30C@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 14:44:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:44:01 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4321E601.6080300@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.612, required 6, AWL 0.31, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: >On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > >>I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. I can >>receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. Does anyone >>know any tricks to ( >>A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) >>or >>(B) Get around the block? >> >> > >Are you in Verizon's netblock? > > > Not that it really matters but Verizon now blocks all dhcp ip pool ip ranges So when i moved my site over I created a temp mail server to collect my mail I could get mail but not send it outto many places because most places black email from dhcp ips. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 16:19:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KJt9p017401 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:19:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89KJtRk017400 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:19:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KJsZa017396 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:19:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KJrUL026630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:19:54 -0400 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KHsIw012763 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:17:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EB275CD16 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4321EDE5.2000005@ctrust.com> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:17:41 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing References: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.281, required 6, AWL 0.28) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: >I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. I can >receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. Does anyone >know any tricks to ( >A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) >or >(B) Get around the block? > >I have a dynamic ip using ddclient on server. E-Smith SME-Server v6.6 with >webmin. > >I can see the printer attached to the server but I can not print with it. >Both Webmin and Server-Administrator recognize the printer and I have it >shared with samba. Is there something I could install to let it use lpd over >the network? > >Thanks in advance >Joe Brandt >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Your best option would probably be to relay through verizon's server. I know comcast allows relay if you are in their IP space so I would ASS-ume verizon would do the same. Like others said, upgrade to a business class and get the static IP. -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 16:36:42 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Kafqf017534 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:36:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89Kaf5O017533 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:36:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KafOq017529 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:36:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KafKH028450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:36:41 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KaM9A005620 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:36:22 -0400 Received: from arthur ([71.100.231.82]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMK00FOBH8HTOP2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:36:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:36:11 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509091636.12323.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.831, required 6, AWL 0.53, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 09 September 2005 02:47 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Joe Brandt wrote: > > I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. I > > can receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. Does > > anyone know any tricks to ( > > A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) > > or > > (B) Get around the block? > > Are you in Verizon's netblock? I do not know what that means? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 16:56:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KuGuc017653 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:56:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89KuG4q017652 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:56:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KuGrS017648 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:56:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KuBoR029837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:56:16 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89KtxUo023434 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:56:00 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j89Ktvai011491 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:54:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing In-Reply-To: <200509091636.12323.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Friday 09 September 2005 02:47 pm, Eben King wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. I > > > can receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. Does > > > anyone know any tricks to ( > > > A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) > > > or > > > (B) Get around the block? > > > > Are you in Verizon's netblock? > > I do not know what that means? Do you get your IP address assigned by Verizon, or by someone else? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. -Sir William Drummond ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 17:04:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89L4iCC017718 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:04:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89L4ib0017717 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:04:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89L4icq017713 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:04:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89L4iXT030404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:04:44 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89L4W2o023586 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:04:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j89L4Tah018288 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.19]); Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:04:31 -0400 Message-ID: <4321F8DE.9090805@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:04:30 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing References: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.201, required 6, AWL 0.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: > >I have a dynamic ip using ddclient on server. E-Smith SME-Server v6.6 with >webmin. > > > > Don't know if this is the solution, but http://www.no-ip.com has a fairly inexpensive dynamic DNS client (for linux) that will get around the mail problem. Here's the specific mail features.. http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_mail/outbound_port_25_unblock.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 17:33:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LXt5Z017983 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:33:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89LXsYG017982 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:33:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LXsBp017978 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:33:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LXs7j000988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:33:54 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LXhoR025991 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:33:43 -0400 Received: from arthur ([71.100.231.82]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMK00FIDJVVTOX2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:33:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:33:21 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509091733.21996.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.754, required 6, AWL 0.45, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 09 September 2005 04:54 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Joe Brandt wrote: > > On Friday 09 September 2005 02:47 pm, Eben King wrote: > > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > > I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. > > > > I can receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. > > > > Does anyone know any tricks to ( > > > > A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) > > > > or > > > > (B) Get around the block? > > > > > > Are you in Verizon's netblock? > > > > I do not know what that means? > > Do you get your IP address assigned by Verizon, or by someone else? 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 17:36:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LaOL1018021 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:36:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89LaOCT018020 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:36:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LaN9b018016 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:36:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LaN5Y001099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:36:23 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LaE0j019412 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:36:14 -0400 Received: from arthur ([71.100.231.82]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMK00A4ZK0900T1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:36:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:36:06 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing In-reply-to: <4321F8DE.9090805@tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509091736.06864.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <4321F8DE.9090805@tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.712, required 6, AWL 0.41, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 09 September 2005 05:04 pm, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > Joe Brandt wrote: > >I have a dynamic ip using ddclient on server. E-Smith SME-Server v6.6 with > >webmin. > > Don't know if this is the solution, but http://www.no-ip.com has a > fairly inexpensive dynamic DNS client (for linux) that will get around > the mail problem. Here's the specific mail features.. > http://www.no-ip.com/services/managed_mail/outbound_port_25_unblock.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. Definately a possibility ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 17:46:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Lk2rO018095 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:46:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89Lk2PG018094 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:46:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Lk2ul018090 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:46:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Lk1sc001711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:46:01 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LjlAI027615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:45:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 29235 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2005 16:45:46 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2005 16:45:46 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5B24111EF50; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:39:29 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing Message-ID: <20050909213928.GH1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509091410.53630.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.839, required 6, AWL 0.84) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 02:10:53PM -0400, Joe Brandt wrote: > I have finally gotten an E-mail server up and running on my domains. I can > receive e-mail just fine but Verizon blocks my outgoing mail. Does anyone > know any tricks to ( > A) get it unblocked (sent e-mail to Verizon with no response) > or > (B) Get around the block? > > I have a dynamic ip using ddclient on server. E-Smith SME-Server v6.6 with > webmin. It's true that many ISPs will block mail from dynamic IPs. It goes like this: I, for instance, have a dynamic IP address on my home box, assigned by Verizon (my DSL provider). If my postfix on my home box tries to send email by directly connecting to each server to which it wants to send mail (slashdot.com, lwn.net, whoever.something), those servers will reject the connection because I'm on a dynamic IP. So instead, since my internet email server is mail.quillandmouse.com, I sent all outbound mail to that server for relay. That server is on a box at rackspace, and has a static IP. So in the end, if you truly are being blocked because you have a dynamic IP the only solution is to get a static one. Or something that looks to other mail servers like a static IP. OTOH, if your IP address is via Verizon, and if you have email service through them, then you should be able to relay through their mail server. That is, instead of having your dynamic IP box try to connect directly to destination email servers, you can hand your mail off to outgoing.verizon.net, which has a static IP. I don't know what your MTA (sendmail, exim, postfix) is, but you can configure it to hand mail off to another server for relay. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 9 17:58:01 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Lw1Qj018157 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:58:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j89Lw1S8018156 for slug-track29; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:58:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Lw0Yw018152 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:58:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89Lw0tW002327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:58:00 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j89LvjRq030531 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from arthur ([71.100.231.82]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMK00LPPL04WZB2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:57:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 17:57:37 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sending E-Mail and Printing (Solved) In-reply-to: <200509091733.21996.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200509091757.38076.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200509091733.21996.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.053, required 6, AWL 0.75, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ok here is what I did. I made a new gmail account, set it up to send mail as the account that I want ie not the gmail account. Went to ZoneEdit.com and had that account mail forwarded to my new gmail account. So I am recieving an sending aparently from my own domain but it is all gmail. My email is now secure no matter what I decide to do with my server (a toy). Thanks for the help. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 18:17:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8AMHZ5l028991 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:17:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8AMHZEA028990 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:17:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8AMHVKc028986 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:17:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8AMHHkl016301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:17:31 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8AMGlxA022769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:16:48 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EEDeE-0000KV-7A for slug@nks.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:16:34 -0400 Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-1BEZ0353Gw50lifzXz4i" Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:12:44 -0400 Message-Id: <1126390364.1334.1.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.491, required 6, AWL -2.15, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-1BEZ0353Gw50lifzXz4i Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Slugadonia, Here is a minimal summary of the Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day event: http://www.sslug.org/?q=3Dnode/19 The Logan --=20 18:10:02 up 25 days, 4:03, 3 users, load average: 0.30, 0.28, 0.37 If toast always lands butter-side down and cats always land on their feet, = what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it? -- Steven= Wright ICQ: 72101412, All other IM clients: logantheclever, IRC: TheLogan #sslug = irc.shadowWorld.net Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-1BEZ0353Gw50lifzXz4i Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDI1pc3OecGqSbkyMRAh7cAJ9SE+GWkiX+T+0QCmOXQ/jmMPm08gCgr7K7 gRDLF7YJzR9JQiPi/kSENh8= =WGmu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-1BEZ0353Gw50lifzXz4i-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 19:29:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANTIcZ029546 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:29:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8ANTITW029545 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:29:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANTH5r029541 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:29:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANTHeL022090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:29:17 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANT1ic003713 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:29:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.100.231.82]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMM00J2RJVKPB00@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:28:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:28:33 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day In-reply-to: <1126390364.1334.1.camel@cthulhu> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43236C21.1030206@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <1126390364.1334.1.camel@cthulhu> User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050506) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.581, required 6, AWL 0.28, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Logan Tygart wrote: >Greetings Slugadonia, > >Here is a minimal summary of the Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day >event: >http://www.sslug.org/?q=node/19 > >The Logan > > I want to thank all that showed up to support and help at this event plus all that helped organize and pull off this event. It was a complete success. We gave out nearly all of our software and goodies. Most of the people that we talked to had heard of linux but really did not know what linux is. We encouraged all to join this list and participate (please be nice to the newbies). If 10% of the people actually try the software, it will be a huge success. A special thank you to : John Pugh of Novell Jonathon (slick twist) Roblimo, Jeff , Wee Ubuntu Manatee PC Users Group and Xandros We were invited back to do it again next year. With a year to prepair we could have a huge (ok a little bigger) event. Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 19:56:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANu5F0029737 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:56:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8ANu50o029736 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:56:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANu5Bn029732 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:56:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANu59o023785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:56:05 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f3.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.92]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ANtiHq011662 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:55:45 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 69.22.66.133 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:55:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.22.66.133] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SFD: Tampa Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:55:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2005 23:55:36.0069 (UTC) FILETIME=[23549350:01C5B663] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.756, required 6, AWL -0.65, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.76, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've just returned home from the Tampa SFD event and am pleased to report that it was a great success. Most people were very receptive to us and we distributed over 250 discs. Not bad! Thanks to all the volunteers who donated their time and effort to this project. It was a big undertaking but we got through it. MOSI also deserves recognition for accomodating us and *we have an open invitation to return there*. Perhaps we should consider taking them up on this in a few months to do something similiar. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:01:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B016U0029796 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B016KW029795 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B016M3029791 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B015lt024123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:06 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B00o3u019459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:00:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 14950 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2005 19:00:49 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2005 19:00:49 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 40FD511EF51; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:56:06 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day Message-ID: <20050910235606.GJ1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG References: <1126390364.1334.1.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1126390364.1334.1.camel@cthulhu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 06:12:44PM -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > Greetings Slugadonia, > > Here is a minimal summary of the Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day > event: > http://www.sslug.org/?q=node/19 > Logan, I'm using mutt, and although your link looks okay on screen, when I go to surf to the link, I get this instead: http://www.sslug.org/?q=3Dnode/19 I've seen this before. Are you maybe on a Mac? Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:01:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B018Dm029803 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B018h3029802 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B017W7029798 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B017Yn024125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:01:07 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B00oxE006053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:00:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 14947 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2005 19:00:49 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2005 19:00:49 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4AF6211EF50; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:47:42 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] Procmail Stumper Message-ID: <20050910234742.GI1245@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.693, required 6, AWL -0.69) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Okay, I get emails like this: To: paulf@quillandmouse.com Those are fine. I have several other addresses at this domain that come to me. I also get emails like this: To: ignacio@quillandmouse.com This is a non-existent address; I can filter these out. But here is the stumper: To: paulf@quillandmouse.com, ignacio@quillandmouse.com There are a five actual addresses that I will get email at for this domain. But if someone uses an invalid address, I want the mail dumped, even if they _also_ use a valid address. Anyone know how to do this? I can't seem to figure it out. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:08:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B08xL3029862 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:08:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B08xw0029861 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:08:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B08xIO029857 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:08:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B08xRP024599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:08:59 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B08i9N031329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:08:45 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EEFOj-00019K-2U for slug@nks.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:08:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Procmail Stumper From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20050910234742.GI1245@quillandmouse.com> References: <20050910234742.GI1245@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-DDM0paTpV0Ar2+Zk3Vip" Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:04:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1126397085.1334.5.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.646, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-DDM0paTpV0Ar2+Zk3Vip Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 19:47 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > But here is the stumper: >=20 > To: paulf@quillandmouse.com, ignacio@quillandmouse.com Configure your mail daemon to reject mail for non-existent accounts, outright. The Logan --=20 20:00:02 up 25 days, 5:53, 3 users, load average: 0.96, 0.49, 0.46 I've seen these high-tech Japanese toilets before on TV. -- Matt Moen, SLUG= List ICQ: 72101412, All other IM clients: logantheclever, IRC: TheLogan #sslug = irc.shadowWorld.net Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-DDM0paTpV0Ar2+Zk3Vip Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDI3Sd3OecGqSbkyMRAsFDAKDhNoXD0QRoeVbrYYbexRQ0H1187wCfXGhM QJDDvhap/zpLv0VL/lMykO4= =8J2r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-DDM0paTpV0Ar2+Zk3Vip-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:37:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0b33I030097 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:37:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B0b3Yg030096 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:37:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0b3qr030092 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:37:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0b3PV026316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:37:03 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0anxc008960 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:36:49 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r35so219352rna for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:36:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Up8eLjliw2JoWycRW3E/qCS1nZcbM1ye0sFnqSt2VBWAglFxlaW2vBtTi9WKzh2dJc44R1PXcPkisl3sknF4Zwe529Uz03F+xfolt1IXtq9avV2JEGZ62+njW7bRAZTdfmycfUicf6/eFzDVPJyGrB5mF1nP3N7GGh2W+jl0bDU= Received: by 10.38.59.11 with SMTP id h11mr167787rna; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.86.9 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:36:47 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SFD: Tampa In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1099_20314479.1126399007476" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.943, required 6, AWL -0.94, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1099_20314479.1126399007476 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline And if we had the extra Ubuntu CD's we easily would have blown through thos= e=20 too. I'm definately up to doing it again in a few months.=20 On 9/10/05, Sick Twist wrote: >=20 > I've just returned home from the Tampa SFD event and am pleased to report > that it was a great success. Most people were very receptive to us and we > distributed over 250 discs. Not bad! >=20 > Thanks to all the volunteers who donated their time and effort to this > project. It was a big undertaking but we got through it. MOSI also=20 > deserves > recognition for accomodating us and *we have an open invitation to return > there*. Perhaps we should consider taking them up on this in a few months= =20 > to > do something similiar. >=20 > -Jonathon >=20 >=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_1099_20314479.1126399007476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline And if we had the extra Ubuntu CD's we easily would have blown through those too.  I'm definately up to doing it again in a few months. 

On 9/10/05, Sick Twist <thesicktwist@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've just returned home from the Tampa SFD event and am pleased to reportthat it was a great success. Most people were very receptive to us and we=
distributed over 250 discs. Not bad!

Thanks to all the volunteer= s who donated their time and effort to this
project. It was a big undertaking but we got through it. MOSI also dese= rves
recognition for accomodating us and *we have an open invitation to = return
there*. Perhaps we should consider taking them up on this in a fe= w months to
do something similiar.

-Jonathon


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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:40:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0eiBD030141 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:40:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B0eieq030140 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:40:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0ehGi030136 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:40:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0eh4j026504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:40:43 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0eTZY021615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:40:29 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EEFtR-0001QO-Le for slug@nks.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:40:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20050910235606.GJ1245@quillandmouse.com> References: <1126390364.1334.1.camel@cthulhu> <20050910235606.GJ1245@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yByc/u4Wt7m/+2zCPBA0" Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:36:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1126398995.1334.8.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.646, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-yByc/u4Wt7m/+2zCPBA0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 19:56 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 06:12:44PM -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: >=20 > > Greetings Slugadonia, > >=20 > > Here is a minimal summary of the Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Da= y > > event: > > http://www.sslug.org/?q=3Dnode/19 > >=20 >=20 > Logan, I'm using mutt, and although your link looks okay on screen, when=20 > I go to surf to the link, I get this instead: >=20 > http://www.sslug.org/?q=3D3Dnode/19 >=20 > I've seen this before. Are you maybe on a Mac? No, I am using Evolution. Everyone else seems to be surfing there ok. I am watching the server traffic. The Logan --=20 20:35:01 up 25 days, 6:28, 3 users, load average: 2.15, 1.39, 1.14 One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and tha= t one word is 'to be prepared.' -- Al Gore ICQ: 72101412, All other IM clients: logantheclever, IRC: TheLogan #sslug = irc.shadowWorld.net Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-yByc/u4Wt7m/+2zCPBA0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDI3wT3OecGqSbkyMRAgDPAKCO7B/0DIVqK3eYsGaCfcO4WJKEggCgiCSV +x1dVrFLB8T5jLCNzrQqXPg= =dHbX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yByc/u4Wt7m/+2zCPBA0-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:43:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0hTP1030166 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:43:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B0hTSD030165 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:43:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0hTYh030161 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:43:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0hTeV026669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:43:29 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0h9RU000932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:43:09 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EEFw1-0001S0-Sz for slug@nks.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:43:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <20050910235606.GJ1245@quillandmouse.com> References: <1126390364.1334.1.camel@cthulhu> <20050910235606.GJ1245@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uw1k5DvuyMd06JZbj8K6" Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:39:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1126399156.1334.11.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.646, required 6, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-uw1k5DvuyMd06JZbj8K6 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 19:56 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: >=20 > Logan, I'm using mutt, and although your link looks okay on screen, when=20 > I go to surf to the link, I get this instead: >=20 > http://www.sslug.org/?q=3D3Dnode/19 Out of curiousity, what locale are you using? I posted using UTF-8. The Logan --=20 20:35:01 up 25 days, 6:28, 3 users, load average: 2.15, 1.39, 1.14 One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and tha= t one word is 'to be prepared.' -- Al Gore ICQ: 72101412, All other IM clients: logantheclever, IRC: TheLogan #sslug = irc.shadowWorld.net Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-uw1k5DvuyMd06JZbj8K6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDI3yz3OecGqSbkyMRAoPvAJ9yg+jQIwweCW1POhkl8whJ5yyhywCfbT2l Dsyb9X2pvy3SLH1rRd6iMys= =9GKA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uw1k5DvuyMd06JZbj8K6-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:48:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0mKij030199 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:48:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B0mKAa030198 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0mKmB030194 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0mKWI027094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:48:20 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0m29i001307 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:48:02 -0400 Received: from pool-23.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.203] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30g1/96) id 0PZMQ00 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:46:34 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:06:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, This has probably been discussed a thousand time before. Darned if I can find this specifically though. Have dual boot system. Windows on hda & Suse on hdb. hda is small & dying and I bought a new much larger disk to replace it with. Now I believe that I can just plug it in and pop in the Windoze disk and let it install. (Looong time since I did a Windoze install) Then restore my mbr for SuSE. I would rather not do that. I don't want Windoze populating the whole disk. Would like to set up a small partition for Windoze and partition the rest of the disk for Linux. (SuSE & other distros to try out) Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD and then go partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and restore the mbr ? Thanks for any guidance. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 20:52:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0qTdo030233 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:52:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B0qTPE030232 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:52:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0qSmD030228 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:52:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0qShj027423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:52:28 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B0qDZI008838 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:52:14 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8B0qAEh015271 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <20050910235606.GJ1245@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 06:12:44PM -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > Here is a minimal summary of the Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day > > event: > > http://www.sslug.org/?q=node/19 > > Logan, I'm using mutt, and although your link looks okay on screen, when > I go to surf to the link, I get this instead: > > http://www.sslug.org/?q=3Dnode/19 > > I've seen this before. Are you maybe on a Mac? What's in the original message is plain text. How can it be anything other than what it appears to be? (I've seen that before too; "=" is the escape character, and "=" is ASCII 0x3d.) BTW, it worked for me; pine in PuTTY in XP. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII character. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 21:08:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B18D4H030353 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B18Dtm030352 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B18Dj4030348 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B18D16028199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:13 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B183Xm011207 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.105] (168-180.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.180.168]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8B180eP029236 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:01 -0400 (EDT) From: jeff To: SLUG List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Procmail Stumper Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050910234742.GI1245@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050910234742.GI1245@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509102108.00517.jdavis70@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.92, required 6, AWL 1.05, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 10 September 2005 07:47 pm, Paul M Foster wrote: > Okay, I get emails like this: > > To: paulf@quillandmouse.com > > Those are fine. I have several other addresses at this domain that come > to me. > > I also get emails like this: > > To: ignacio@quillandmouse.com > > This is a non-existent address; I can filter these out. > > But here is the stumper: > > To: paulf@quillandmouse.com, ignacio@quillandmouse.com > > There are a five actual addresses that I will get email at for this > domain. But if someone uses an invalid address, I want the mail dumped, > even if they _also_ use a valid address. > > Anyone know how to do this? I can't seem to figure it out. You need to filter on the "To:" header, compare that to a whitelist of your other accounts, and flag those that have anything other than a valid address in the "To:" field. But an email with bogus addresses in the Bcc: header will still slip past that filter. Do you know any spamassassin guru's? Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 21:09:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B19wqq030366 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B19wif030365 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B19vb5030361 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B19vXl028323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:57 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B19l9x019977 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:47 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8B19iai012394 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:08:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? In-Reply-To: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Hello Sluggers, > > This has probably been discussed a thousand time before. Darned if I can > find this specifically though. > > Have dual boot system. Windows on hda & Suse on hdb. hda is small & > dying and I bought a new much larger disk to replace it with. Now I > believe that I can just plug it in and pop in the Windoze disk and let > it install. (Looong time since I did a Windoze install) Then restore my > mbr for SuSE. > > I would rather not do that. I don't want Windoze populating the whole > disk. Would like to set up a small partition for Windoze and partition > the rest of the disk for Linux. (SuSE & other distros to try out) > > Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD and then go > partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and restore the mbr ? You're proposing to partition the new drive, then install? I see no reason why not. If you install Win first (i.e. before Linux) you don't need to fix the MBR; installing sets both OSes up. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 21:10:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B1A5Tw030377 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:10:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B1A4xx030376 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:10:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B1A4JL030372 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:10:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B1A40Y028331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:10:04 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B19p4s011471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:52 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EEGLm-0001kM-5n for slug@nks.net; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:09:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Sarasota/Bradenton Software Freedom Day From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-MJGb2k6Xvrxn05H6MQwf" Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1126400747.1334.17.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.819, required 6, AWL -1.83, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-MJGb2k6Xvrxn05H6MQwf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2005-09-10 at 20:50 -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 06:12:44PM -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > What's in the original message is plain text. How can it be anything oth= er > than what it appears to be? (I've seen that before too; "=3D" is the esc= ape > character, and "=3D" is ASCII 0x3d.) BTW, it worked for me; pine in PuTT= Y in > XP. Then I am perplexed. I cut and pasted the link with a GNOME desktop on top of Sawfish, using locale UTF-8. Obviously Mutt sees something extra. Paul post or mail me the plain text. Thanks, The Logan --=20 21:00:01 up 25 days, 6:53, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.28, 0.46 I saw a woman wearing a sweat shirt with "Guess" on it. So I said, "Implant= s?" She hit me. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 10 23:34:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B3Yti7031433 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:34:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B3Ytur031432 for slug-track29; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:34:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B3Ysl9031428 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:34:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B3YsEd005287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:34:54 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B3YbI8019901 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:34:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8B3YVeP006744 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:34:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:35:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509102335.23891.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.638, required 6, AWL -0.64) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 10 September 2005 18:06, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > This has probably been discussed a thousand time before. Darned if I can > find this specifically though. > > Have dual boot system. Windows on hda & Suse on hdb. hda is small & > dying and I bought a new much larger disk to replace it with. Now I > believe that I can just plug it in and pop in the Windoze disk and let > it install. (Looong time since I did a Windoze install) Then restore my > mbr for SuSE. > > I would rather not do that. I don't want Windoze populating the whole > disk. Would like to set up a small partition for Windoze and partition > the rest of the disk for Linux. (SuSE & other distros to try out) > > Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD and then go > partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and restore the mbr ? > > Thanks for any guidance. > > Bob S. Your new drive needs to be master on the first IDE port usually IDE0. Start to install Windows. You should be able to select to install it on a partition of 5 to 10 gigs. After you have set up windows on this small partition, you can boot SUSE using a boot floppy or your SUSE cd 1 or DVD. The SUSE install media will give you a choice to boot installed OS the hard drive. Once you have got SUSE running, you can fix the boot process. Using SUSE partitioning tools you can further subdivide the space on your new Drive. I have 3 differant Distros in mine. I have a good sized swap drive space which all my installed distros all share, since only one is running at a time. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 00:40:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4eteP032343 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:40:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B4etIL032342 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:40:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4et5o032338 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:40:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4esn4011403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:40:54 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4ecmA006602 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:40:38 -0400 Received: from pool-8.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.188] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30g1/96) id 0Q0R600 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:39:11 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:36:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> <200509102335.23891.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200509102335.23891.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509110036.41558.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 10 September 2005 11:35 pm, Richard Smoot wrote: > On Saturday 10 September 2005 18:06, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > ........................ > > Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD and > > then go partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and restore > > the mbr ? > > > > Thanks for any guidance. > > > > Bob S. Thanks Eben, Richard > > Your new drive needs to be master on the first IDE port usually IDE0. Yes it is the master and will replace the old master. > Start to install Windows. You should be able to select to install it > on a partition of 5 to 10 gigs. Really ??? It will allow that? This is Win98. I guess I will find out early in the install. (Would really love to dump it but have some proprietary programs that will only run on Win) (entrance gate control for the community) Anyway..... > After you have set up windows on this > small partition, you can boot SUSE using a boot floppy or your SUSE > cd 1 or DVD. The SUSE install media will give you a choice to boot > installed OS the hard drive. Once you have got SUSE running, you can > fix the boot process. Using SUSE partitioning tools you can further > subdivide the space on your new Drive. I have 3 differant Distros in > mine. I have a good sized swap drive space which all my installed > distros all share, since only one is running at a time. > Thanks for the advice guys. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 00:56:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4upm4032694 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:56:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8B4up2C032693 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:56:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4upQi032689 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:56:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4uoQ5012914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:56:51 -0400 Received: from smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8B4uahv003900 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:56:36 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=kdshbHocHXnxEa/fB7MIIXogPWJ6BW3JpjihD/cbU1MGa5X/2AVnP8bb1lvgGVW3; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.144.115.91] (helo=blackngold) by smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EEJtJ-0002TQ-Gp for slug@nks.net; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:56:33 -0400 Message-ID: <0a3201c5b68d$34f25d70$6401a8c0@blackngold> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question for the Tampa / Brandon group(s) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dda0464a503ac86533e6bfcd5e6fea035350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.115.91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.516, required 6, AWL -1.42, NO_REAL_NAME 0.28, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry this is a late response lost all 3 of my hard drives in my pc. So been rough trying to recover data anyways Dave any time you're welcome to come to the meetings. Take Care Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meyer, David R" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [SLUG] Question for the Tampa / Brandon group(s) > Would anyone have any objection to my bringing my oldest son (he's 8) to > the SLUG meetings? He'd probably be playing super tux on my laptop > (OpenSuSE) but I think he'd be interested in some of the topics...he's > pretty technical for a kid his age. > > Thanks! > > Dave > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 08:39:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BCdTas019683 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8BCdTEI019682 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:39:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BCdSZP019678 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:39:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BCdS8l023044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:39:28 -0400 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BCcx6w003257 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:38:59 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bV/QrxIsYJyVMgnv5cKWI6tQXelq5GcSquTUTHHmIOQG/l07CVMt+JLymEHQhQbN; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.18.99.102] (helo=[192.168.2.4]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EER6p-0004h2-4q for slug@nks.net; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:38:59 -0400 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? NO Install MS First Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:39:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509110839.01624.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609c2cb9f218aa2c1d7340583d9c5896738387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.18.99.102 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.469, required 6, AWL -1.34, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 10 September 2005 09:08 pm, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > This has probably been discussed a thousand time before. Darned if I can > > find this specifically though. > > > > Have dual boot system. Windows on hda & Suse on hdb. hda is small & > > dying and I bought a new much larger disk to replace it with. Now I > > believe that I can just plug it in and pop in the Windoze disk and let > > it install. (Looong time since I did a Windoze install) Then restore my > > mbr for SuSE. > > > > I would rather not do that. I don't want Windoze populating the whole > > disk. Would like to set up a small partition for Windoze and partition > > the rest of the disk for Linux. (SuSE & other distros to try out) > > > > Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD and then go > > partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and restore the mbr ? > > You're proposing to partition the new drive, then install? I see no reason > why not. If you install Win first (i.e. before Linux) you don't need to > fix the MBR; installing sets both OSes up. How you install depends on which type of MS installation you have. If you have a MS install disk setup then you may install MS first. This is something which I have not tried. It is also something I would not recommend your doing such since MS goes to great length to make itself incompatible with Linux. If of course you DO BOT have a MS Windows install disk but have a RECOVERY disk you MUST install MS Windows FIRST since the first thing MS Windows is going to do is reformat the HD. This is of course what I would recommend your doing even if you have a install disk. Next you need to install Partation Magic and split the HD in to two components one of MS Windows and one for everything else. I recommend your doing this BEFORE you install any Windows programs. Minimum size partation for MS Windows is about 5 GB [I recommend 7 GB] for Windows to operate correctly. At the 5 to 10 GB range if you use over 1/3 of the partation AFTER all programs and data are installed you are asking for trouble. Next install Linux. You can split your HD in any decent Linux distribution by doing expert install. I recommend the following. hda1 5 GB NTFS Windows System hda2 extended hda5 As big as possible fat32 Common_Data hda6 100 MB ext3 /boot hda7 7 GB ext3 / hda8 5 GB ext3 /home hda9 5 GB ext3 /var Experience with databases has shown that Progress and MYSQL both store their data in /var. If you plan on updating from disk, the easy way, or any other modification by disk then /var will be wiped if it is included in the / partation. Same goes for /home. I strongly recommend DO NOT USE Mandrake's, Fedoras', or SuSE's normal default partation setup. If you do you are asking for problems and you will be sorry. Also note if / partation is over 1/2 full on competition of installation you may not be able to update your system as you will have NO space left for temporary files which on updating are as large as the system to be stored in. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 10:01:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BE1hHX023419 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:01:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8BE1hOB023418 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:01:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BE1hXE023414 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:01:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BE1dZD030334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:01:43 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BDd7kS008570 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:39:07 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (253-2.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.200.2.253]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF042881CA5 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 06:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4324337B.8070708@myraandpete.net> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:39:07 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] $8 laser printer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.528, required 6, AWL -1.73, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SUBJ_DOLLARS 0.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Samsung ML-1740... I have had one of these for some time and very happy with it. Looking for more toner, I found the printer for $8. Would read fine print (maybe even call) before buying (could be typo... $80 is good deal), but this is a great deal. http://www.spacecentersystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/36250 Usually Ships in 1-2 Business Days Our Price: $8.00 Manufacturer: Samsung Product Code: 148-ML1740XAA Manufacturers Part Number: ML-1740/XAA Available: 151 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 12:08:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BG8p6a024526 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8BG8pQ2024525 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BG8o2o024521 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BG8pPI006041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:51 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BG8fCR019482 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:41 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8BG8db6003274 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509111608.j8BG8db6003274@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] $8 laser printer Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:08:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <4324337B.8070708@myraandpete.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcW22n05LNjqxbO3QgaWha1ovozt7QAEGC/g X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.475, required 6, AWL -0.47) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>I found the printer for $8. Would read fine print At the top, yellow background: "Disclaimer: Some prices on our site maybe inaccurate due to an error. These orders will be canceled." At least they didn't try to hide it... Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Pete S. Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:39 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] $8 laser printer Samsung ML-1740... I have had one of these for some time and very happy with it. Looking for more toner, I found the printer for $8. Would read fine print (maybe even call) before buying (could be typo... $80 is good deal), but this is a great deal. http://www.spacecentersystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/36250 Usually Ships in 1-2 Business Days Our Price: $8.00 Manufacturer: Samsung Product Code: 148-ML1740XAA Manufacturers Part Number: ML-1740/XAA Available: 151 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 13:10:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHAiln025002 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:10:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8BHAiV1025001 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:10:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHAh8j024997 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:10:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHAhsV010653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:10:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHAWHm014198 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:10:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8BHATGK025109 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:10:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] $8 laser printer Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:11:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200509111608.j8BG8db6003274@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200509111608.j8BG8db6003274@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509111311.32859.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.667, required 6, AWL -0.67) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 11 September 2005 12:08, Ken Elliott wrote: > >>I found the printer for $8. Would read fine print > > At the top, yellow background: > > "Disclaimer: Some prices on our site maybe inaccurate due to an error. > These orders will be canceled." > > At least they didn't try to hide it... > > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Pete S. > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 9:39 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] $8 laser printer > > Samsung ML-1740... I have had one of these for some time and very happy > with it. Looking for more toner, I found the printer for $8. Would read > fine print (maybe even call) before buying (could be typo... $80 is good > deal), but this is a great deal. > http://www.spacecentersystems.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/3625 >0 Usually Ships in 1-2 Business Days > Our Price: $8.00 > Manufacturer: Samsung > Product Code: 148-ML1740XAA > Manufacturers Part Number: ML-1740/XAA > Available: 151 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- They may be doing lost leader. It comes with a starter cartridge (1000 pages) and no connection cables. If they sell you a regular cartridge and expensive parallel or usb cable and don't have a lot of money in the printers, they may make a profit at $8. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 13:44:03 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHi3Kd025270 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:44:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8BHi341025269 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:44:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHi3bC025265 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:44:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHi37v014083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:44:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHhjHR017055 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:43:45 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8BHhgGK023038 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0e3801c5b6f8$59fa2ec0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Bob Foxworth" To: References: <0a3201c5b68d$34f25d70$6401a8c0@blackngold> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question for the Tampa / Brandon group(s) Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.898, required 6, AWL -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Sorry this is a late response lost all 3 of my hard drives in my pc. So been > rough trying to recover data anyways > Dave any time you're welcome to come to the meetings. > > Take Care > Bill Preece > > Would anyone have any objection to my bringing my oldest son (he's 8) to > > the SLUG meetings? He'd probably be playing super tux on my laptop > > (OpenSuSE) but I think he'd be interested in some of the topics...he's > > pretty technical for a kid his age. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dave Speaking of meetings, Patty and I are in regular contact with Wayne Pollock, who is a prof at HCC and is our sponsor/benefactor for the Tampa SLUG meetings, held at HCC. She is taking CTS- 2311 "Linux Network Security" on Tue night and I am auditing the same course. Every semester, class assignments change and Wayne is now teaching evenings on Mon and Tue. He would be interested in seeing the Tampa meetings moved back to the 2nd Wednesday, as they used to be a couple of years ago. If the meeting went back to Wed night then both of us could again attend. I believe Wayne could attend also. Mario, any thoughts? - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 13:54:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHsBMF025326 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:54:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8BHsB23025325 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:54:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHsATd025321 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:54:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHsAOw014574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:54:10 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8BHrfN8031875 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:53:41 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1792124wri for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:53:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=LKFjtKZAoHucCHAM0wdrHy7ykHsmQI84eFaBj+XYmnewfEdQbdRXSb8MUtaU9ptged2DrYkgA+4lO2jItwnnwvzuCUTlmMdebHBIqaCyRJqAl/4aidreoPerv3FcWdi1dCrBBA7dHqnQzasU8MoqyxE/TKgO/07JFcqamMQyTho= Received: by 10.54.23.14 with SMTP id 14mr741786wrw; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.15.101? ( [24.28.27.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d8sm463708wra.2005.09.11.10.53.40; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <4324337B.8070708@myraandpete.net> References: <4324337B.8070708@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: From: Steven Buehler Subject: Re: [SLUG] $8 laser printer Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:53:38 -0400 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.089, required 6, AWL -0.60, RCVD_IN_DSBL 1.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, WEIRD_PORT 1.94) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8BHsATd025322 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net In bright yellow shading toward the top of that page is the following: "Disclaimer: Some prices on our site maybe inaccurate due to an error. These orders will be canceled." Amazon.com sells this same printer for $163.11. About a year ago I bought an HP LaserJet 1012 which is very nice and compact (about the same footprint as my DeskJet 5550) and prints up to 1200 x 1200 using resolution enhancement technology for between $150 and $200. It does work with Linux most of the time (sometimes the printer will spit out a sheet that it doesn't recognize PCL (because, technically, it doesn't), but after cycling the power it doesn't complain again). Toner for it is around $65 (or much less if you know where to look) and lasts me about two months. Steven W. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 11 22:22:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8C2MeOg028998 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:22:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8C2MeEf028997 for slug-track29; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:22:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8C2MeKv028993 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:22:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8C2MewB016952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:22:40 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8C2MU2S025627 for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:22:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [68.97.91.216]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050912022229.WKFV23320.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:22:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4324E65B.8010708@cox.net> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:22:19 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050331) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] list related flash cartoon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.745, required 6, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87, FU_WITH_ID 0.23, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I got a good laugh out of this one. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 12 11:27:11 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CFRB6T002392 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8CFRBog002391 for slug-track29; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CFRBVh002387 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CFR7lX015135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:27:11 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CFQmg6017027 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:26:49 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA241A247E4 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200509110036.41558.rnr@sanctum.com> References: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> <200509102335.23891.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <200509110036.41558.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:26:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1126538805.28618.14.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.382, required 6, AWL -1.38) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 00:36 -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > On Saturday 10 September 2005 11:35 pm, Richard Smoot wrote: > > On Saturday 10 September 2005 18:06, Bob Stia wrote: > > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > ........................ > > > Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD and > > > then go partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and restore > > > the mbr ? > > > > > > Thanks for any guidance. > > > > > > Bob S. > > Thanks Eben, Richard > > > > Your new drive needs to be master on the first IDE port usually IDE0. > > Yes it is the master and will replace the old master. > > > Start to install Windows. You should be able to select to install it > > on a partition of 5 to 10 gigs. > > Really ??? It will allow that? This is Win98. I guess I will find out > early in the install. (Would really love to dump it but have some > proprietary programs that will only run on Win) (entrance gate control > for the community) Anyway..... Bob, Depending on how ambitious you are...and given the fact that it's Windows 98...and depending on your computer's resources.... Have you given any thought to bochs?? It works well with Windows 98 and is included in the standard SuSE rpm package set. It works kinda like VMware and allows you to boot Windows inside of SuSE. It's a little more work to set it up than VMware but well worth it if you have the available resources. Then you don't have to dual boot. You can run Linux all the time!! The other thing I do is set up a samba share on my SuSE to allow windows to connect to it through the emulator. Then I store all my important files on the "samba shared" ext3 partition so when windows crashes, nothing is lost. :^) Unfortunately I bought Windows ME and am not willing to go pay money again for another less buggy version. And believe me, it breaks quite frequently. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 12 12:16:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CGGJH5002815 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:16:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8CGGJ4o002814 for slug-track29; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:16:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CGGI3Z002810 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:16:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CGGH03018525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:16:18 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CGFkvG005757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:15:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 453 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2005 11:15:45 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2005 11:15:45 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 13C3D11EF51; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:01:03 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050912160103.13C3D11EF51@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.797, required 6, AWL 0.80) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 13 September 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 20 September 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Latitude 23.5 Coffee Shop 2820 Clark Rd (Swift/Tuttle and Clark) Sarasota, FL 34231 See http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=2820+Clark+Rd,+Sarasota,+FL+34231 for a map. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 26 September 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) J. J. Rohrer Sterling Square 600 First Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://maps.google.com/maps?q=600+First+Ave+N,+Saint+Petersburg,+FL&spn=0.017456,0.027210&hl=en for map. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 1 October 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 6 October 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 8 October 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 12 17:45:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CLjAuq005295 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:45:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8CLjAtA005294 for slug-track29; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:45:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CLjA6x005290 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:45:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CLj9bL009134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:45:10 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CLivaa023759 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:44:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.100.231.82]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMQ0091N4EWN2P4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:45:04 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Nice Article Robin To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4325F6E0.8080601@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050317 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.533, required 6, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.23) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/09/12/1347223 Nice Article Robin. Correction though, I work for Donxi Yachts (not that it really matters though). http://www.donziyachts.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 12 18:50:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CMo4no005747 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:50:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8CMo4sf005746 for slug-track29; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:50:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CMo3MM005742 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:50:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CMo3R2013568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:50:03 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8CMnfqo023412 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:49:42 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so406413rne for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:49:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=t3k5G9Zap4Bt6YnwW2fTi2g60QsD1hfQlnUu0GxFnoOnEVZDu0EuRlkLDF3u+s1bgtrvVOYydfQ9mGHLWk7gR9qGkfYtjKWU0hONf+qLAa8NVArRFF639RNac8lWCJYvTTQlqfo9zMWdiajX8l/tDDXRiBdo0HIiGLMejd5JAIU= Received: by 10.38.92.5 with SMTP id p5mr6321rnb; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.53 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:49:39 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Minutes of the Meeting 2005-08-29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8CMo3MM005743 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net (Late, and overly long, but for those that like it...) Hail Slugadonia! The meeting of August 29th was a lot of fun. Once again we met at Sterling Research, thanks to our patron J.J. Rohrer. Aaron showed videos from Defcon, both the Capture the Flag stuff (which is mostly boring, except for the dude that got mad at Aaron for filming what was on a computer screen) and the robot wars competition. Aaron and his pal won that, though his robot was radio controlled and not AI. Spoony brought a mini wireless router, and thus we were able to extend the wired network out to those that are afraid of ethernet cables. She got distracted while installing Debian, so Alex configured it such that it would work. Next, it would seem, I had to talk about Subversion. This was a partly coherent rant, and I successfully managed to confuse most everyone (and myself) in the process. About 20 minutes before the meeting was to end, Chotchki called me and said he'd be there for the after meeting meal. Right. As the meeting was breaking up, several of our number thought of going somewhere for food and geeky cameradery. Peter the Alchemist suggested we try the Globe, which is a coffee shop that has real food. This is walking distance from the meeting place, so we set off on foot. Our number consisted of: Peter the Alchemist, Possum Dan, Rich Collins, Alex, Jonathon (aka Sick Twist), Spoony, and myself. Imagine it, folks. A bunch of linux geeks prowling around downtown St. Pete at 9:30 at night. Spoony, Jonathon, and I stayed longer in front of the meeting place, giving some advice to a (very motivated) newbie. When we at last said goodnight to the fellow, Paul was his name I think, I ran ahead to catch up with the others. As I am running, laptop case in hand, one of the others turns and begins running towards me. Lo and behold, it was Peter the Alchemist! The next thing I know, Peter slams into my right arm, and bounces off with great speed. He shouts "Oh sh*t". Startled, I turn to deck him. Dodging, he runs off in the direction I had come from. I pursue him. Zip, he passes Spoony and Sick Twist. As I pass Spoony, I hear her say "This is a DragonBall Z moment". Just as I consider shouting "Kamehameha!", Peter vanishes around the corner. The others catch up with me, and I yell: "Pete, you can come back. I won't attack you." But, he's no where to be seen. I wonder aloud, "Where did he go?" Alex suggests maybe Peter decided life wasn't worth it, and commited suicide. It was at about this point that we noticed Peter laying on the ground, behind some bushes. As luck would have it, Peter wasn't dead. Anyway, nobody has any ideas where to eat since the Globe is closed. At this point, both Rich and Possum decide to go to their respective homes. This left five remaing sluggers: Myself, Spoony, Sick Twist, Peter the Alchemist, and Alex. Thus we all piled into Spoony's car. Pete, Sick, and Alex in the back seats, with myself in shotgun. Spoony raced down the lonely St. Pete streets, following Peter's mad directions to another random cafe/restuarant. Peter says "Ah, cut through this parking lot." This parking lot had a fence around it, or had had a fence. The fence was lying down, and had been driven over many times. As soon as Spoony's car stops, Peter hops out and disappears like a ninja. And as luck would have it, the cafe was closed. But, we had to wait several minutes, because it turns out Peter ran into the restuarant to use its bathroom. It was at this point that Chotchki called again, asking where we were. He was right outside the meeting place, so we told 'im to stay put and we drove back there. At the point, Sick Twist decided to go home, figuring our chances of actually eating to be slim to fast. Peter also decided to head home, after trying to strangle me with a bandana. Spoony and I gave him a lift home, since he is unable to drive because of age and a criminal record. So, now only Alex Harris (who was following spoony's car) and Chotchki (who was lost in St. Pete) and I (who was riding with spoony) were going for dinner. We decided on Denny's, which is on 4th Street somewhere. In fact, at first Spoony did not know Alex was following her. She thought it was just some random weirdo. Instead, it's a known weirdo. Big difference, yes? As we traveled down 4th street, we didn't see a Denny's. But we did see a Benigan's, so we went there. Chotchki wasn't following us, so we called him to tell him to meet us at the Benigan's on 4th Street and about 80th Ave North. The poor fellow got very lost, first thinking that avenues were streets, and south was north. With the help of a map provided by Alex, and Spoony's careful guidance on the phone, he finally found the Benigans. It took an hour or two, and he said more than 70 miles had he driven... So, in short. the after-meeting was fun because Chotchki has no sense of direction. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 12 22:44:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D2iQFf007471 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8D2iQMK007470 for slug-track29; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D2iQpm007466 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D2iPd5031248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:25 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D2iBpb013068 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:11 -0400 Received: from gibson (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8D2i9Eg018568 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.22]); Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:08 -0400 Message-ID: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:08 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.329, required 6, AWL -0.73, FU_NUMERICAL_SUBDOMAIN 0.85, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was just perusing the county gov't employment ops when I stumbled across this... http://136.174.187.14/persnl/emp&test/14666.htm If you look at the requirements, it says Linux (IT Strategic Direction). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 12 23:18:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D3ISMC007769 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:18:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8D3ISPT007768 for slug-track29; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:18:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D3ISw6007764 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:18:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D3IRZr001131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:18:27 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8D3I1Yv026043 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:18:01 -0400 Received: from pool-18.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.198] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30h/96) id 96D2I00 for ; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:16:42 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:20:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> <200509110036.41558.rnr@sanctum.com> <1126538805.28618.14.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1126538805.28618.14.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509122320.14717.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 12 September 2005 11:26 am, Mike Branda wrote: > On Sun, 2005-09-11 at 00:36 -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > On Saturday 10 September 2005 11:35 pm, Richard Smoot wrote: > > > On Saturday 10 September 2005 18:06, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > ........................ > > > > > > Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD > > > > and then go partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and > > > > restore the mbr ? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any guidance. > > > > > > > > Bob S. > > > > Thanks Eben, Richard > > > > > Your new drive needs to be master on the first IDE port usually > > > IDE0. > > > > Yes it is the master and will replace the old master. > > > > > Start to install Windows. You should be able to select to install > > > it on a partition of 5 to 10 gigs. > > > > Really ??? It will allow that? This is Win98. I guess I will find > > out early in the install. (Would really love to dump it but have > > some proprietary programs that will only run on Win) (entrance gate > > control for the community) Anyway..... > > Bob, > > Depending on how ambitious you are...and given the fact that it's > Windows 98...and depending on your computer's resources.... > > Have you given any thought to bochs?? > I've not heard of that > It works well with Windows 98 > and is included in the standard SuSE rpm package set. It works kinda > like VMware and allows you to boot Windows inside of SuSE. Like a regular normal crappy windows and all of the Windows only proprietary software packages ? > It's a > little more work to set it up than VMware but well worth it if you > have the available resources. Then you don't have to dual boot. You > can run Linux all the time!! The other thing I do is set up a samba > share on my SuSE to allow windows to connect to it through the > emulator. You mean the Windows that is installed on your computer right? > Then I store all my important files on the "samba shared" > ext3 partition so when windows crashes, nothing is lost. :^) I'm not worried about that. I don't generate any files. More concerned with corrupting the other programs. > Unfortunately I bought Windows ME and am not willing to go pay money > again for another less buggy version. And believe me, it breaks quite > frequently. > Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it and see how involved it is. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 07:34:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DBYLk1011692 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:34:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8DBYLow011691 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:34:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DBYK1x011687 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:34:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DBYKKe006094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:34:20 -0400 Received: from lucius.provo.novell.com (lucius.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.172]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DBY1ST027006 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:34:02 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV1-MTA by lucius.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:33:56 -0600 Message-Id: <432680D0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 05:33:36 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? References: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.061, required 6, FU_NUMERICAL_SUBDOMAIN 0.85, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.21) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A lot of government entities are moving to open source. Recently the Commonwealth of Mass chose to "move" to the OpenDocument standard - a standard that MS Office does not support...yet. Yes...Pinellas has been running Linux for edge servers for a short while...Sarasota County is working with it - the Sarasota County school system is looking to do what Indiana did - every student gets an inexpensive computer running....Linux. JP >>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:44 pm, in message <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com>, lugmail@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > I was just perusing the county gov't employment ops when I stumbled > across this... http://136.174.187.14/persnl/emp&test/14666.htm > > If you look at the requirements, it says Linux (IT Strategic > Direction). Interesting, eh? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 09:59:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DDxQFJ012704 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:59:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8DDxQGL012703 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:59:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DDxQDt012699 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:59:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DDxPXO019027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:59:25 -0400 Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DDwpST010456 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:58:52 -0400 Received: from [24.144.76.54] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EFBJD-0007z7-AF for slug@nks.net; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:58:50 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050727 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? References: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> <432680D0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <432680D0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26096a4185998a8dfbcf5e6481247ec3239193caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.54 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.707, required 6, FU_NUMERICAL_SUBDOMAIN 0.85, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.21, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John: Do you have any references (links) about the use of Linux in Sarasota and Indiana schools? -- Mark Polhamus John Pugh wrote: > A lot of government entities are moving to open source. Recently the > Commonwealth of Mass chose to "move" to the OpenDocument standard - a > standard that MS Office does not support...yet. > > Yes...Pinellas has been running Linux for edge servers for a short > while...Sarasota County is working with it - the Sarasota County school > system is looking to do what Indiana did - every student gets an > inexpensive computer running....Linux. > > JP > >>>>On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 10:44 pm, in message > <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com>, > lugmail@tampabay.rr.com wrote: >>I was just perusing the county gov't employment ops when I stumbled >>across this... http://136.174.187.14/persnl/emp&test/14666.htm >> >>If you look at the requirements, it says Linux (IT Strategic >>Direction). Interesting, eh? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 12:00:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DG0NEu013597 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:00:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8DG0N4G013596 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:00:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DG0NWN013592 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:00:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DG0M1F028549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:00:22 -0400 Received: from lucius.provo.novell.com (lucius.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.172]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DFxoG9011844 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:59:51 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV1-MTA by lucius.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:59:50 -0600 Message-Id: <4326BF28.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:59:36 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? References: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> <432680D0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.319, required 6, AWL -1.32) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 9:58 am, in message <4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net>, meplists@earthlink.net wrote: > John: > > Do you have any references (links) about the use of Linux in Sarasota and > Indiana schools? > Here's the Indiana one... http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/40897/ Linspire is not the only one in the mix...Novell Linux Desktop and others (including Windows) are in the mix as well with other hardware vendors. It is an Intel sponsored project. As for Sarasota...there is no detail on it since it's still in discussion. Another Intel sponsored push for alternative desktop strategies. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 13:50:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DHoM7k014471 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:50:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8DHoMtt014470 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:50:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DHoMvi014466 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:50:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DHoLWx004189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:50:22 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DHo3EF025052 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:50:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMR0015QO7EXLQ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:50:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:49:43 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? In-reply-to: <4326BF28.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43271137.4060404@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> <432680D0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net> <4326BF28.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.303, required 6, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pugh wrote: >>>>On Tue, Sep 13, 2005 at 9:58 am, in message >>>> >>>> ><4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net>, >meplists@earthlink.net wrote: > > >>John: >> >>Do you have any references (links) about the use of Linux in Sarasota >> >> >and > > >>Indiana schools? >> >> >> > >Here's the Indiana one... >http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/40897/ > >Linspire is not the only one in the mix...Novell Linux Desktop and >others (including Windows) are in the mix as well with other hardware >vendors. It is an Intel sponsored project. > >As for Sarasota...there is no detail on it since it's still in >discussion. Another Intel sponsored push for alternative desktop >strategies. > > > As a former student of the Sarasota County School system I think it is a bad idea. I have been in and visted enough schools to know one thing kids do not repsect school property. >JP > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 14:43:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DIhmme014932 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:43:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8DIhmMc014931 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:43:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DIhll8014927 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:43:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DIhgvC008242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:43:47 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DIhJBR025982 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:43:20 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so4955wri for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:43:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aF1MNEN3nlbPJb8eo+jHRAFQ0P8yfohCwy7h3OuL6PbqgOjrnd7DBAaT34aptIlX67IRDVryA5Uv5aEuFQC+A/qzJEHJIKIdZFx9pUdPukZ+UI/SlWKoJUIaD41yc7HtNty575yXg+hUqPc23X1M41D6dcgyQZ7xBMLrFde7XJU= Received: by 10.54.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr690686wrr; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.91.10 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88f827b605091311433efa2caf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:43:17 -0400 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? In-Reply-To: <43271137.4060404@gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22500_6374901.1126636997015" References: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> <432680D0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net> <4326BF28.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <43271137.4060404@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.254, required 6, AWL -0.73, HTML_20_30 0.47, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_22500_6374901.1126636997015 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/13/05, Robert Snyder wrote: > As a former student of the Sarasota County School system I think it is a > bad idea. I have been in and visted enough schools to know one thing > kids do not repsect school property. >=20 >=20 > This is probably one for the politics list, but I just can't resist. Maybe we (as the adults/teachers/parents/policy makers etc. etc.) should=20 hold our kids to higher standards than they held to now and accountable for= =20 any actions they may take (i.e. ** MAKE ** them respect school property).= =20 Now there's a revolutionary thought . Regardless, what does that have to do with moving over to Linux, anyway??? Cheers, Mav ------=_Part_22500_6374901.1126636997015 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 9/13/05, Robert Snyder <res03q8w@= gte.net> wrote:
As a former stude= nt of the Sarasota County School system I think it is a
bad idea. &= nbsp;I have been in and visted enough schools to know one thing
kids do not repsect school property.


This is probably one fo= r the politics list, but I just can't resist.

Maybe we (as the  adults/teachers/parents/policy makers etc. etc.) should hold our kids to higher standards than they held to now and accountable for any actions they may take (i.e.  ** MAKE ** them respect school property).  Now there's a revolutionary thought .

Regardless, what does that have to do with moving over to Linux, anyway???<= br>
Cheers,            Mav


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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 15:03:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJ3SuU015064 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8DJ3SQ9015063 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJ3Rte015059 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJ3RUh009736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:27 -0400 Received: from lucius.provo.novell.com (lucius.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.172]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJ33Tn031110 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:03:04 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV1-MTA by lucius.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:03:03 -0600 Message-Id: <4326EA18.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:02:48 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition new HD first? References: <200509101806.08906.rnr@sanctum.com> <200509110036.41558.rnr@sanctum.com> <1126538805.28618.14.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> <200509122320.14717.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200509122320.14717.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> > > On Saturday 10 September 2005 18:06, Bob Stia wrote: >> > > > Hello Sluggers, >> > >> > ........................ >> > >> > > > Can I just plug in the new drive, boot SuSE from the boot CD >> > > > and then go partition from there? Then go reinstall Windoze and >> > > > restore the mbr ? >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for any guidance. >> > > > >> > > > Bob S. I tell you how I've done in the past... Install windoze leaving enough room for linux. THEN install Linux. This way you will let linux manage/control the booting of windoze since windoze isn't capable of effectively managing itself...there is no way that you will want to let windoze manage linux! I no longer have a need for windoze so I don't do this at all any longer...but that is how I've done it in the past. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 15:51:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJp0dK015418 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:51:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8DJp0rj015417 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:51:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJoxwN015413 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJosPL013213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:59 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8DJoeMG024412 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8DJobah021682 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Microsoft Makes a Mea Culpa for Hiring Situation Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:52:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509131552.23595.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.617, required 6, AWL -0.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1857430,00.asp Microsoft tried to hire Eric Raymond. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 20:12:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E0C8DI017446 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:12:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8E0C82t017445 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:12:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E0C3l0017439 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:12:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E0BnZG002196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:12:03 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E0BYoW013862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:11:35 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EFKrs-0006RH-Om for slug@nks.net; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:11:16 -0400 Subject: [SLUG] My Software Freedom Day Images. From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-s7RxK+TywlTHQSlSRFHD" Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:07:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1126656441.4624.7.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.272, required 6, AWL -2.47, FU_FREE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-s7RxK+TywlTHQSlSRFHD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings Slugadonia, At the suggestion of Sick Twist, I uploaded the images I acquired from Free Software Day here: http://softwarefreedomday.org/gallery/ It is under Sarasota-Bradenton, so you'll have to click on "next" a couple of times. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 21:19:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E1JkQu018094 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:19:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8E1Jk4b018093 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:19:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E1Jjwt018089 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:19:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E1JjJf007080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:19:45 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E1JRSE021245 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:19:27 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8E1JLEg007823 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509140119.j8E1JLEg007823@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: [SLUG] HP Gives Some Facts About Linux: 33% Savings Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:19:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcW4ylKKcJFQuP99RrKGggVXqg1s4A== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.973, required 6, AWL -0.97) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just ran across this tidbit on Groklaw. Ken Elliott ===================== From: http://www.groklaw.net/ HP Gives Some Facts About Linux: 33% Savings Hey, look at this. HP's Michael Schulz gave a presentation recently in Johannesburg, and he announced they will ship Ubuntu on notebooks and PCs in Africa. I wish they'd do that here. In the speech, he also talked about HP's internal use of Linux: --- HP's Emea open source technologist Michael Schulz . . . said the company today has as many as 15,000 Linux-based devices on its own internal networks and uses free software for many critical roles from its mail system, to DNS servers, and even its LaserJet development laboratories. Schulz said that HP's entire email infrastructure -- including a webmail client based on Squirrelmail -- is run on Linux and delivers in the region of three terabytes of mail annually. HP's internal instant messaging services are also run on open source software, using the Jabber platform, said Shulz. The company's domain name services are also run on Linux using services such as Bind and NTP, said Schulz. The decision to use Linux for these services has paid off, he said, realising savings in the region of around 33%. --- 33%! That is huge. Anyone who doesn't consider Linux where it can be used, with savings like that possible, just isn't being fiscally responsible. Why does HP use Linux? Schulz says, "It is . . . the best operating system available out there." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 13 23:46:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E3kZvP019186 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:46:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8E3kZnU019185 for slug-track29; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:46:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E3kZaR019181 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:46:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E3kZZN018103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:46:35 -0400 Received: from web52101.mail.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8E3kCno030290 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:46:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 44952 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2005 03:46:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vr0OUbOsH9EP7QSFHp5wI9BE3zGhkiNuQHFjFoCmi/yzaTSOI73V492aVQAeCo1/eEKn4xzFJZnR3LHLyLcT5ZqJakKho9QDr2CVS4/u/fspN1tdKa0E5JXc6D/AF6lpkf0YvvhsNDoFT3H0RaRC+NVDpWqC+8aLs07PXF1cfeU= ; Message-ID: <20050914034611.44950.qmail@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.99.157.243] by web52101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:46:11 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:46:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Eanes Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <88f827b605091311433efa2caf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think you have the right idea. As educators, we should teach that there actually is a wider market than the view one gets with MS Blinders on :) But... After having worked in the Pinellas School system, I have a very good understanding of why it's not possible. It's not the children that hold us back. To some extent it's not the teachers either. It's the administration. I'll stop my rant here... suffice it to say that I'll never work in the education field again.. it's just not worth it. Maybe someday they will adopt Linux and rework their management and political structures.. I'm not holding my breath though. --- Mavrick wrote: > On 9/13/05, Robert Snyder wrote: > > > As a former student of the Sarasota County School > system I think it is a > > bad idea. I have been in and visted enough schools > to know one thing > > kids do not repsect school property. > > > > > > This is probably one for the politics list, but I > just can't resist. > > > Maybe we (as the adults/teachers/parents/policy > makers etc. etc.) should > hold our kids to higher standards than they held to > now and accountable for > any actions they may take (i.e. ** MAKE ** them > respect school property). > Now there's a revolutionary thought . > > Regardless, what does that have to do with moving > over to Linux, anyway??? > > Cheers, Mav > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 00:51:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E4pTsL019693 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:51:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8E4pTMW019692 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:51:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E4pTp6019688 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:51:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E4pSXH025453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:51:28 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (d8-53.rb4.clm.centurytel.net [69.29.95.53]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E4pEcZ019299 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:51:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.2] (unknown [192.168.10.2]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC1ECBA8B for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:51:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4327AC41.2050202@glennmeyer.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:51:13 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Postfix relayhost = option Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.6, required 6, J_CHICKENPOX_54 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I use DSL through CenturyTel in Missouri. I run my own mail server. Occasionally, because I have a dynamic IP, I cannot send mail to certain domains. I'd like to have my Postfix server forward my outgoing mail through the CenturyTel SMTP host. If I set the outgoing SMTP server in my mail client to their SMTP host (mail.so.centurytel.net), I can send out through it. No problems. If I set the outgoing SMTP server in my mail client to my own Postfix server (192.168.10.3), I can send out to most domains. When I set my Postfix /etc/postfix/main.cf option "relayhost = mail.so.centurytel.net", I get an error in /var/log/messages that says... Sep 13 23:35:03 dell postfix/smtp[20590]: D7833CBAFE: to=, relay=none, delay=27100, status=deferred (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mail.so.centurytel.net type=MX: Host not found, try again). Funny thing is that from my postfix box, I can telnet mail.so.centurytel.net 25 no problem. So why can't Postfix find this box? It finds all the other domains I need to send to. It just can't seem to find it if I use it in the "relayhost =" option. Any thoughts? Thanks!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 01:53:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E5rJck020146 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:53:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8E5rJSu020145 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:53:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E5rJaJ020141 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:53:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E5rJ6c031937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:53:19 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E5r4v7001911 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:53:05 -0400 Received: from pool-43.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.223] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30h/96) id 96Q9H00 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:51:48 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] lilo.conf Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:50:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509140150.39102.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.479, required 6, AWL -1.48) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, A few days ago I posted about replacing my failing hda drive with a new one and reinstalling Windoze. Did that today. (had to ! - No choice - for two lousy proprietary programs - Oh Wellll) Anyway most went well and now after assigning Windoze a picayune piece of this big new hard drive I have lots more new Linux space. :-) No trouble recreating lilo into the MBR and my SuSE 9.2 boots just fine. However, stupid Windoze can't boot. Can anyone send me an example of their lilo.conf file so that I can make this ignorant thing boot when it is needed? ( If you could include the example for memtest86 that would be great) Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 02:24:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E6Ou80020412 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:24:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8E6OuCw020411 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:24:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E6OthU020407 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:24:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E6Otso002950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:24:55 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8E6OR6h013717 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 02:24:27 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so110138wri for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z+hW1gorgvnVhKxyou9lclH5PvfvQEs/c6vBQrm8r30LTSRayILea/vF9kQcn8kp8UwTEo8u/qzcCCT+YLwfAqFMWnWwZZ87JTdebc088sA6mi5zfEWy8jBKWLkxEuqyZ33yewnW/UyQQRxsdNmyyDt+74fOqFfCpGcgdvY3Dyc= Received: by 10.54.40.63 with SMTP id n63mr1037734wrn; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.2 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e3105091323247de44896@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:24:26 -0500 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix relayhost = option In-Reply-To: <4327AC41.2050202@glennmeyer.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4327AC41.2050202@glennmeyer.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.155, required 6, AWL -1.16) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8E6OthU020408 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It looks like that host doesn't have an MX record. Try just using centurytel.net? (Which appears to have 6 MXs, judging by `host -t MX centurytel.net` ... -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 06:06:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EA6GqB022260 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:06:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8EA6GIa022259 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:06:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EA6Gix022255 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:06:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EA6FkX024371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:06:15 -0400 Received: from dell.glennmeyer.com (d8-53.rb4.clm.centurytel.net [69.29.95.53]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EA621h001406 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:06:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.2] (unknown [192.168.10.2]) by dell.glennmeyer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E63CBA8B for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:06:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4327F609.3000004@glennmeyer.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 05:06:01 -0500 From: Glenn Meyer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix relayhost = option References: <4327AC41.2050202@glennmeyer.com> <1a3a3e3105091323247de44896@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e3105091323247de44896@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.714, required 6, AWL -0.71) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >It looks like that host doesn't have an MX record. Try just using >centurytel.net? (Which appears to have 6 MXs, judging by `host -t MX >centurytel.net` ... > > > That gets a little closer.... Sep 14 01:46:23 dell postfix/smtp[21139]: 77D19CBA65: to=, relay=mx6.centurytel.net[209.142.136.228], delay=3, status=bounced (host mx6.centurytel.net[209.142.136.228] said: 550 5.7.1 ... Relaying denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)) I'm guessing that this does not allow relaying because it doesn't recognize that I'm part of their network as the mail.so.centurytel.net does recognize it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 08:20:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ECKJJo023437 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:20:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8ECKJ13023436 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:20:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ECKInO023432 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:20:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ECKIp4003922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:20:18 -0400 Received: from smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8ECK3pq016379 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:20:03 -0400 Received: from [24.144.85.166] (helo=mail.dkoobs.com) by smtpauth03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EFWF9-0000TX-6Q for slug@nks.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:20:03 -0400 Received: from www.dkoobs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dkoobs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EE65D70C993 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.129.131.226 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dkoobs) by www.dkoobs.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1124.24.129.131.226.1126700545.squirrel@www.dkoobs.com> In-Reply-To: <4327AC41.2050202@glennmeyer.com> References: <4327AC41.2050202@glennmeyer.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Postfix relayhost = option From: "Doug Koobs" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-KoobsFamily-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.831, required 5, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) X-MailScanner-From: dkoobs@dkoobs.com X-ELNK-Trace: 864b91cd9a0bd51694f5150ab1c16ac0284cce77b6014d5fe0840264c8cbf1d41ee4e1433d04936d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.85.166 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.021, required 6, AWL 1.59, J_CHICKENPOX_54 0.60, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 0.83) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8ECKInO023433 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm not sure if relayhost is the correct option for what you want to do... Here is how I have done it in my setup, I send all my outgoing mail through earthlink's mail server... in /etc/postfix/main.cf: transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport and in /etc/postfix/transport * smtp:smtpauth.earthlink.net The asterisk means to send all outgoing mail through the specified server. If you only want to do certain domains, you can add a line for each domain... Then, you have to run the command: postmap hash:/etc/postfix/transport to create the .db file (you may need to use something other than "hash" in your setup, check the man pages for more info) Hope this helps! Doug Glenn Meyer said: > I use DSL through CenturyTel in Missouri. I run my own mail server. > Occasionally, because I have a dynamic IP, I cannot send mail to certain > domains. I'd like to have my Postfix server forward my outgoing mail > through the CenturyTel SMTP host. > > If I set the outgoing SMTP server in my mail client to their SMTP host > (mail.so.centurytel.net), I can send out through it. No problems. > > If I set the outgoing SMTP server in my mail client to my own Postfix > server (192.168.10.3), I can send out to most domains. > > When I set my Postfix /etc/postfix/main.cf option "relayhost = > mail.so.centurytel.net", I get an error in /var/log/messages that says... > Sep 13 23:35:03 dell postfix/smtp[20590]: D7833CBAFE: > to=, relay=none, delay=27100, status=deferred > (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for > name=mail.so.centurytel.net type=MX: Host not found, try again). > > Funny thing is that from my postfix box, I can telnet > mail.so.centurytel.net 25 no problem. So why can't Postfix find this > box? It finds all the other domains I need to send to. It just can't > seem to find it if I use it in the "relayhost =" option. > > Any thoughts? Thanks!! > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 10:07:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EE74gX024153 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:07:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8EE7492024152 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:07:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EE74Io024148 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:07:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EE706W013478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:07:04 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EE6ZPp013314 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:06:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMT0076Z8IUHGR8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:06:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:09:43 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Gives Some Facts About Linux: 33% Savings In-reply-to: <200509140119.j8E1JLEg007823@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4327B097.7010802@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200509140119.j8E1JLEg007823@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.288, required 6, AWL -0.31, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: > Just ran across this tidbit on Groklaw. Hi Ken! Remarkable! I just took a HP Scanner back because it wouldn't work under MEPIS. I think their more expensive ones work with Linux, but heck, I only have 100 scans to make. Regards, Pete > > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > From: http://www.groklaw.net/ > > HP Gives Some Facts About Linux: 33% Savings > > Hey, look at this. HP's Michael Schulz gave a presentation recently in > Johannesburg, and he announced they will ship Ubuntu on notebooks and PCs in > Africa. I wish they'd do that here. In the speech, he also talked about HP's > internal use of Linux: > --- > HP's Emea open source technologist Michael Schulz . . . said the company > today has as many as 15,000 Linux-based devices on its own internal networks > and uses free software for many critical roles from its mail system, to DNS > servers, and even its LaserJet development laboratories. > > Schulz said that HP's entire email infrastructure -- including a webmail > client based on Squirrelmail -- is run on Linux and delivers in the region > of three terabytes of mail annually. HP's internal instant messaging > services are also run on open source software, using the Jabber platform, > said Shulz. > > The company's domain name services are also run on Linux using services > such as Bind and NTP, said Schulz. The decision to use Linux for these > services has paid off, he said, realising savings in the region of around > 33%. > > --- > > 33%! That is huge. Anyone who doesn't consider Linux where it can be used, > with savings like that possible, just isn't being fiscally responsible. Why > does HP use Linux? Schulz says, "It is . . . the best operating system > available out there." > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 11:32:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFW9Bl024828 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:32:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8EFW9fF024827 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:32:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFW8Pn024823 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:32:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFW8n9019885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:32:08 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFVv7i032105 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:31:58 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67A31A244A2 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] lilo.conf From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200509140150.39102.rnr@sanctum.com> References: <200509140150.39102.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:31:49 -0400 Message-Id: <1126711909.2374.12.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.755, required 6, AWL -1.75) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 01:50 -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > A few days ago I posted about replacing my failing hda drive with a new > one and reinstalling Windoze. Did that today. (had to ! - No choice - > for two lousy proprietary programs - Oh Wellll) > > Anyway most went well and now after assigning Windoze a picayune piece > of this big new hard drive I have lots more new Linux space. :-) > > No trouble recreating lilo into the MBR and my SuSE 9.2 boots just fine. > However, stupid Windoze can't boot. > > Can anyone send me an example of their lilo.conf file so that I can make > this ignorant thing boot when it is needed? ( If you could include the > example for memtest86 that would be great) > > Bob S. Bob, just to clarify...you have 2 HD's right?? You replaced hda (previously windows) and partitioned it off with a small section for windows and the rest as additional space for your previously existing SuSE install? Please confirm this as I'm not sure everyone caught the 2 HD thing looking at the suggested partitioning responses from the list. Thanks! Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 11:42:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFgdIe024907 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:42:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8EFgdbW024906 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:42:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFgd9L024902 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:42:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFgddN021281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:42:39 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EFg1IR008066 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:42:01 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8EFfxGL015044 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] lilo.conf In-Reply-To: <200509140150.39102.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: No trouble recreating lilo into the MBR and my SuSE 9.2 boots just fine. > However, stupid Windoze can't boot. > > Can anyone send me an example of their lilo.conf file so that I can make > this ignorant thing boot when it is needed? ( If you could include the > example for memtest86 that would be great) This is from my laptop, which boots XPtui by default, but dual-boots into SuSE 9.1 (as it says, this file may be modified by YaST). It's supposed to have memtest86 on there too, but I've never gotten it to work. I have it on a CD if I need it. # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Mon Aug 9 23:35:03 2004 timeout = 30 prompt default = Windows_XP boot = /dev/hda #image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1 # label = Linux-2.6.8.1 # optional # root = /dev/hda2 # vga = 6 # append = "splash=silent desktop resume=/dev/hda3 showopts" image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-test label = Linux-269-test optional root = /dev/hda2 vga = 6 append = "splash=silent desktop showopts mousedev.tap_time=0" image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 optional root = /dev/hda2 vga = 6 append = "splash=silent desktop showopts mousedev.tap_time=0" #image = /boot/vmlinuz # ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Linux### # label = Linux-264-SuSE # initrd = /boot/initrd # optional # root = /dev/hda2 # vga = 0x314 # append = "splash=silent acpi=off desktop resume=/dev/hda3 showopts" other = /dev/hda1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Windows### label = Windows_XP image = /boot/vmlinuz ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Failsafe### label = Failsafe initrd = /boot/initrd # vga = 0x314 # append = "splash=silent acpi=off desktop resume=/dev/hda3 showopts" other = /dev/hda1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Windows### label = Windows_XP image = /boot/vmlinuz ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Failsafe### label = Failsafe initrd = /boot/initrd optional root = /dev/hda2 vga = normal append = "showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 3" image = /boot/memtest.bin ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: Memory_Test### label = Memory_Test optional append = "" (end lilo.conf) I compiled my own kernel, disabled the "tap to click" functionality of the trackpad (I was accidentally clicking when my hand would brush it), and never use an initrd, so YMMV. "Linux-269-test" is what gets me into SuSE. I need to change its name, as I'm no longer testing it. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 16:30:43 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EKUhZb027112 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:30:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8EKUhoQ027111 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EKUh5D027107 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EKUhaW011989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:30:43 -0400 Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EKUKdV026710 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:30:21 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i8so16042rne for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WVLmaKaR93G+zdIwsXTMC2O5tKv8tYjGkanbIh4Iwl9uUx5Pt8VaYg+aELC3s9T8qucula9Q6uW8q2PGQhRUZQNjIS0MhrgVbFQBxL0FNKR4ziVvyzywoJcx6dW650WIQAo1IHBDCvqLbSTNAxavRItBuOKj/TlnUG/O6In78m4= Received: by 10.39.3.60 with SMTP id f60mr229530rni; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.101.53 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:30:14 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Pinellas county moving to Linux??? In-Reply-To: <88f827b605091311433efa2caf@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43263CF8.80407@tampabay.rr.com> <432680D0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4326DB1A.7020805@earthlink.net> <4326BF28.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <43271137.4060404@gte.net> <88f827b605091311433efa2caf@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.714, required 6, AWL -0.71) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8EKUh5D027108 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Maybe we (as the adults/teachers/parents/policy makers etc. etc.) should > hold our kids to higher standards than they held to now and accountable for > any actions they may take (i.e. ** MAKE ** them respect school property). > Now there's a revolutionary thought . > I believe, you can make them fear harming school property, but you can only teach them to respect others, and by association, other's property. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 18:15:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFmpZ027875 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8EMFmqk027872 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFmnP027866 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFlMl019070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:48 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFQNV032344 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:27 -0400 Received: from pool-19.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.199] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30h/96) id 96ZBX00 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:14:05 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] lilo.conf Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:23:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509141723.55163.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.307, required 6, AWL -1.31) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 14 September 2005 11:40 am, Eben King wrote: > This is from my laptop, which boots XPtui by default, but dual-boots > into SuSE 9.1 (as it says, this file may be modified by YaST). It's > supposed to have memtest86 on there too, but I've never gotten it to > work. I have it on a CD if I need it. > > # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Mon Aug 9 23:35:03 2004 > > > timeout = 30 > prompt > default = Windows_XP > boot = /dev/hda > > #image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1 > # label = Linux-2.6.8.1 > # optional > # root = /dev/hda2 > # vga = 6 > # append = "splash=silent desktop resume=/dev/hda3 showopts" > ........................... > (end lilo.conf) > > I compiled my own kernel, disabled the "tap to click" functionality > of the trackpad (I was accidentally clicking when my hand would brush > it), and never use an initrd, so YMMV. "Linux-269-test" is what gets > me into SuSE. I need to change its name, as I'm no longer testing it. Thanks Eben, Will compare it to mine and make the chamges that are necessary. Appreciated. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 14 18:15:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFngH027878 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8EMFmOt027877 for slug-track29; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFm99027867 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFlMn019070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:48 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8EMFQNW032344 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:15:27 -0400 Received: from pool-19.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.199] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30h/96) id 96ZBW00 for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:14:03 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] lilo.conf Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:13:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200509140150.39102.rnr@sanctum.com> <1126711909.2374.12.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1126711909.2374.12.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509141713.17266.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.373, required 6, AWL -1.37) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 14 September 2005 11:31 am, Mike Branda wrote: > On Wed, 2005-09-14 at 01:50 -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > A few days ago I posted about replacing my failing hda drive with a > > new one and reinstalling Windoze. Did that today. (had to ! - No > > choice - for two lousy proprietary programs - Oh Wellll) > > > > Anyway most went well and now after assigning Windoze a picayune > > piece of this big new hard drive I have lots more new Linux space. > > :-) > > > > No trouble recreating lilo into the MBR and my SuSE 9.2 boots just > > fine. However, stupid Windoze can't boot. > > > > Can anyone send me an example of their lilo.conf file so that I can > > make this ignorant thing boot when it is needed? ( If you could > > include the example for memtest86 that would be great) > > > > Bob S. > > Bob, just to clarify...you have 2 HD's right?? You replaced hda > (previously windows) and partitioned it off with a small section for > windows Correct so far: > and the rest as additional space for your previously existing > SuSE install? Yes, but it is JUST additional space. My existing SuSE install is on hdb and was not touched. ( I intend to use the new space on the replacement drive, hda, for backups, data storage, and probably install another distro to play with. > Please confirm this as I'm not sure everyone caught > the 2 HD thing looking at the suggested partitioning responses from > the list. > Yes, I saw the same thing. I hope this clears that up. Sorry for not explaing it better. Thanks, Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 16:13:26 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FKDQ45005476 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:13:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8FKDQRC005475 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:13:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FKDPVu005471 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:13:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FKDPOh005442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:13:25 -0400 Received: from smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FKCxT9017693 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:12:59 -0400 Received: from [24.144.76.54] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EG06H-00014J-OK for slug@nks.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:12:53 -0400 Message-ID: <4329D5C5.90206@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:12:53 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050727 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] link to linux.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c2609a1f0c51c157126baef53fb53b4917f6c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.54 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.859, required 6, AWL -1.79, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone know people at linux.org or care to pass along this information?: http://linux.org does not load ("connection refused"), while http://www.linux.org works. Guess which URL was recently referenced in today's NY Times tech article (req. required): http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/15/technology/circuits/15askk.html.? I'm guessing they are losing a lot of traffic if others are having trouble loading http://linux.org. When I tried to email feedback@linux.org about the problem my email was bounced by their blacklist -- my email relay smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net was listed as a "dial up"?! See http://www.invlogic.com/mail/dial.html (and http://lists.cinlug.org/pipermail/cinlug/2004-October/000009.html for background information). -- Mark Polhamus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 17:10:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLAFEo005920 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:10:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8FLAFsJ005919 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:10:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLAFjl005915 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:10:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLAF63009553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:10:15 -0400 Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8FL9um6002822 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:09:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 82398 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Sep 2005 21:09:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tPh9V1JnPK888t7EwyYR+opDgDEgUPOPWEDpE2sQuC9QzV1IS1vzF2rQUpnGvr3yhnVzw8YfotGJwRAdgDlDPS7Op7yEZSfEXpQNU/zMdCSCrFDt4YxAN21rWcxEeEFmGRrgz8ovVPbD5QtrSws3svuXbd4poEtQYN8uIf54MAA= ; Message-ID: <20050915210955.82396.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.167.105] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:09:55 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: [SLUG] linux floppy disk To: FL Lug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.048, required 6, AWL -1.39, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.48, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a question about floppy versions of linux. Does anybody know how to make one with the abillity to format hard drives. For example, in the windows world you can create a boot floppy, and on it has fdisk. My problem with using a windows boot floppy to format linux partitions is that sometimes it doesn't work the way I want it to. William __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 17:32:40 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLWeEN006113 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:32:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8FLWeSO006112 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:32:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLWeBn006108 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:32:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLWeO0011415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:32:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLWPA9032700 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:32:25 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8FLWJb7011795 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:30:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: FL Lug Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk In-Reply-To: <20050915210955.82396.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: I have a question about floppy versions of linux. Does anybody know how > to make one with the abillity to format hard drives. For example, in the > windows world you can create a boot floppy, and on it has fdisk. My > problem with using a windows boot floppy to format linux partitions is > that sometimes it doesn't work the way I want it to. So you want to boot from a floppy and then run fdisk? Any rescue floppy (to pull one from my nether regions, Tom's Root-Boot aka tomsrtbt) should do that no problem. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 17:52:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLqC19006293 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:52:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8FLqCAE006292 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:52:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLqBZv006288 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:52:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLqBfZ012931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:52:11 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8FLpuWl032622 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:51:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.100.231.82]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IMV00K6FOQFE9RA@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:51:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:52:13 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk In-reply-to: <20050915210955.82396.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4329ED0D.7000008@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime References: <20050915210955.82396.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050727 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.303, required 6, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.30, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: >I have a question about floppy versions of linux. Does anybody know how to make one with the >abillity to format hard drives. For example, in the windows world you can create a boot floppy, >and on it has fdisk. My problem with using a windows boot floppy to format linux partitions is >that sometimes it doesn't work the way I want it to. > >William > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Try Partition magic. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 20:35:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G0ZKdX007536 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:35:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G0ZJLK007534 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:35:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G0ZJ7G007527 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:35:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G0ZIVv026201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:35:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G0Yxxu024398 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:35:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.100] (57-150.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.150.57]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8G0Yub6028867; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <432A1333.8050407@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:34:59 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk References: <20050915210955.82396.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050915210955.82396.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have a question about floppy versions of linux. Does anybody know how to make one with the > abillity to format hard drives. For example, in the windows world you can create a boot floppy, > and on it has fdisk. My problem with using a windows boot floppy to format linux partitions is > that sometimes it doesn't work the way I want it to. A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two 1.44's, so I would guess a very special tiny kernel would be needed. There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros that should work from a floppy. Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 K so recompiling a regular distro's kernel with everything turned off but "floppy" probably won't fit. Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM or temporarily put the new drive in a working computer? Which is how I always do it. -- Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 21:01:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G11WLZ007723 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:01:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G11WvV007722 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:01:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G11W4I007718 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:01:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G11V2j028058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:01:32 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G11IQH018505 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:01:18 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8G11Gb7020545 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:59:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk In-Reply-To: <432A1333.8050407@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: > I have a question about floppy versions of linux. Does anybody know how > > to make one with the abillity to format hard drives. For example, in > > the windows world you can create a boot floppy, and on it has fdisk. My > > problem with using a windows boot floppy to format linux partitions is > > that sometimes it doesn't work the way I want it to. > > A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two 1.44's, > so I would guess a very special tiny kernel would be needed. Not "very special", just not a "kitchen-sink" kernel that comes with the distros. Here's mine: 780K /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.29 > There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros that should > work from a floppy. > Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 K Some rescue sets use busybox, which rolls lots of programs into one, combining the common parts and leaving out some less-common options. > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM I interpreted it as "there's no CD drive on that machine", but yeah, if the machine will boot from CD, that's almost always better. > or temporarily put the new drive in a working computer? > Which is how I always do it. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 21:29:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1TPIZ007950 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:29:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G1TOJu007949 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:29:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1TOfM007945 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:29:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1TOKr030051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:29:24 -0400 Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8G1T8OL019292 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:29:09 -0400 Received: (qmail 44935 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 01:29:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YqySNfEVofofxZ7ijDQK5RJUz8ExgARLuRXhxJ/RUhRBdEhyXHEDh7Ns0GuXf57BwIXHgDw6TLV4g3pgr+LwSq9QvUqKUKxJMi8Ug6HBwVA6JAGzOtZd4++gFLJMvYyJjE5tsgGprbANh9j4NacRJJBAw1QN+M9H/akWldY6XVQ= ; Message-ID: <20050916012908.44933.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.167.105] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:29:07 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.135, required 6, AWL 0.79, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.48, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No, no, no. I don't want to run fdisk, but a linux equivalent. When I have installed a linux distro, I just use what the install recommend to me. william --- Eben King wrote: > So you want to boot from a floppy and then run fdisk? Any rescue floppy (to > pull one from my nether regions, Tom's Root-Boot aka tomsrtbt) should do > that no problem. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 21:30:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1UTgn007974 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:30:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G1UTXL007973 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:30:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1USVd007969 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:30:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1USuq030162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:30:28 -0400 Received: from web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.172]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8G1U7Eg028506 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:30:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 63582 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 01:30:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nUJCDItbcgWSxvVA947hauFDEnQu8IFVuNLbg3+u++eZTI9MjzY1zvaziuO0dbU5P4uSws2i/bwvl+obgz9cucb4TFrTy+lNy9SDrrUe20AaJ3ePdQREsNvgf0/WmelOo6iO+RVX1JiUhqJxmBiRHWNFNIK2ckGqc7RwKrwmJaw= ; Message-ID: <20050916013007.63580.qmail@web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.167.105] by web31009.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:30:06 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:30:06 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4329ED0D.7000008@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.984, required 6, AWL -0.36, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.48, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net don't have the money to buy it. William > Try Partition magic. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 21:42:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1gcgo008064 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:42:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G1gcnA008063 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:42:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1gcYY008059 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:42:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1gblc031159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:42:38 -0400 Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8G1gLuZ021580 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:42:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 78202 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 01:42:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wc2ir4VwtujZqodDPqcptEx/Mu176mitKB97ZG87OXI69de4KU2GDmUpfHrGQs/1Z444+lwpczdO8IMNYq2kbB9hCoJ+DAeYhQqO5Q6bChe+aI6UsMQr+Y7ktagI8d47St5s65WpgmOzIOeumw/u1Dhzhr6SCVC1kQdJWIn4TBM= ; Message-ID: <20050916014221.78200.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.167.105] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:42:21 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <432A1333.8050407@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.091, required 6, AWL -1.25, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.48, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No, I must not be have phrased the question correctly. I am looking for a floppy or floppys that I can use like a windows boot floppy. I know that I can use a rescue cd when a system goes down but I am not wanting to do that nor asked that question. That is what everybody seems to assume that is the question. I would like a way to set up partitions before I install an os. I want a way to delete existing partitons and then recreate them the way I want to before I install. This way I have more control on how and where or what os is on what partition. William > A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two 1.44's, > so I would guess a very special tiny kernel would be needed. > There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros that should > work from a floppy. > Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 K > so recompiling a regular distro's kernel with everything > turned off but "floppy" probably won't fit. > > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM or > temporarily put the new drive in a working computer? > Which is how I always do it. ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 21:45:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1jj9n008090 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:45:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G1jjGK008089 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:45:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1jiIf008085 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:45:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1jisI031341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:45:44 -0400 Received: from web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.165]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8G1jKLj023419 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:45:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 74631 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 01:45:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3KcauWP+LAxry6lzp2nkymGBihOzu9PJI3EU4a6HPpU5EZKwudg1Fb2VAMwX+dyOHT3FhfRFnEqSz1paHy1U/ibKRd2o6sIiN+OYtyxo5JQVqy3kPsZFgg6s6VlmMEwsCnkqTZk5ZvZ4LALKPIf1q4eLWPF75NJh9NCsZwmXgOA= ; Message-ID: <20050916014520.74629.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.167.105] by web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:45:19 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:45:19 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.346, required 6, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.48, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- Eben King wrote: > Not "very special", just not a "kitchen-sink" kernel that comes with the > distros. Here's mine: > > 780K /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.29 > Thats cool. How do I get one of these. Can I use it to setup partitions? > Some rescue sets use busybox, which rolls lots of programs into one, > combining the common parts and leaving out some less-common options. > > > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM > > I interpreted it as "there's no CD drive on that machine", but yeah, if the > machine will boot from CD, that's almost always better. > > > or temporarily put the new drive in a working computer? > > Which is how I always do it. > busybox? What is that? william __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 21:59:30 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1xU2O008173 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:59:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G1xU6D008172 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:59:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1xUiG008168 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:59:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1xU79032319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:59:30 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G1xOev017128 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:59:25 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8G1xMeP023625 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509160159.j8G1xMeP023625@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:59:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-reply-to: <20050916014221.78200.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcW6YL2Rv4BT1rAcRM6k4pOrunooyAAAVdxw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.042, required 6, AWL 0.04) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I am looking for a floppy or floppys that I can use like a windows boot floppy. That's the part that's confusing everyone. It implies that you want to boot the OS. Do you mean you want to boot ONLY to create partitions? Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:42 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk No, I must not be have phrased the question correctly. I am looking for a floppy or floppys that I can use like a windows boot floppy. I know that I can use a rescue cd when a system goes down but I am not wanting to do that nor asked that question. That is what everybody seems to assume that is the question. I would like a way to set up partitions before I install an os. I want a way to delete existing partitons and then recreate them the way I want to before I install. This way I have more control on how and where or what os is on what partition. William > A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two 1.44's, so I would guess > a very special tiny kernel would be needed. > There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros that should work from a > floppy. > Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 K so recompiling a > regular distro's kernel with everything turned off but "floppy" > probably won't fit. > > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM or temporarily > put the new drive in a working computer? > Which is how I always do it. ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 22:05:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G25oOC008230 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:05:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G25otn008229 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:05:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G25oWI008225 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:05:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G25oa1032726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:05:50 -0400 Received: from web52108.mail.yahoo.com (web52108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.111]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8G25ctM021026 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:05:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 25444 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 02:05:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l23+RuWrKVbcXMZog6ePtft4nAmYTNJ5BXz3SnQls7Bk+r56AWQD4ty90klRXc/t3GGBdjJHmokoESA/MpEHEZEHhuPbls2srOE5xNN3CDF40pHQ9f+MpFwun3zr8l7jlx6QNjm0YLgLVtXtmtJxmgqGcWxmSst9EHOk2+cy29g= ; Message-ID: <20050916020537.25442.qmail@web52108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.99.157.243] by web52108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:05:37 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Eanes Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20050916014221.78200.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.052, required 6, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR 1.05) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Most distros today use a CDROM based boot and install. There are still a few.. in fact most.. that, if you dig deep enough in their documentation, that show you how to make BOOT Floppies (or INSTALL Floppies). Most are going to be multiple floppies because the newer kernels are a bit larger than the old ones and to get a working install floppy, other programs also need to be located on the floppies. As previously suggested...Toms Root Boot disk is a common favorite for doing what you ask. There are a number of linux programs out there that replace the functionality of FDISK under DOS. Linux can be complicated that way. The most common file system right now is EXT3 and the tools needed to partition and format should be located on the floppy. There are plenty of other filesystems to choose from also... so be aware that Linux has choices. It's not all based on DOS legacy like Windows is. I'm shore someone on this list will be able to list the commands needed or point you in the right direction for the manual to read. Good Luck --- William Coulter wrote: > No, I must not be have phrased the question > correctly. I am looking for a floppy or floppys > that > I can use like a windows boot floppy. I know that I > can use a rescue cd when a system goes down > but I am not wanting to do that nor asked that > question. That is what everybody seems to assume > that is the question. I would like a way to set up > partitions before I install an os. I want a > way to delete existing partitons and then recreate > them the way I want to before I install. This > way I have more control on how and where or what os > is on what partition. > > William > > A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two > 1.44's, > > so I would guess a very special tiny kernel would > be needed. > > There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros > that should > > work from a floppy. > > Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 > K > > so recompiling a regular distro's kernel with > everything > > turned off but "floppy" probably won't fit. > > > > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue > CD-ROM or > > temporarily put the new drive in a working > computer? > > Which is how I always do it. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! for Good > Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 22:40:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2eEQS008543 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:40:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G2eE3b008542 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:40:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2eDGR008538 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:40:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2eDNs003069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:40:13 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2dthh031745 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:39:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8G2dqEg003761 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:42:17 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20050916014221.78200.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050916014221.78200.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509152242.17721.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.783, required 6, AWL -0.78) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 15 September 2005 21:42, William Coulter wrote: > No, I must not be have phrased the question correctly. I am looking for a > floppy or floppys that I can use like a windows boot floppy. I know that I > can use a rescue cd when a system goes down but I am not wanting to do that > nor asked that question. That is what everybody seems to assume that is > the question. I would like a way to set up partitions before I install an > os. I want a way to delete existing partitons and then recreate them the > way I want to before I install. This way I have more control on how and > where or what os is on what partition. > > William > > > A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two 1.44's, > > so I would guess a very special tiny kernel would be needed. > > There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros that should > > work from a floppy. > > Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 K > > so recompiling a regular distro's kernel with everything > > turned off but "floppy" probably won't fit. > > > > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM or > > temporarily put the new drive in a working computer? > > Which is how I always do it. > When installing most distros, you can generally pick the size of the partition you are going to make and install it on in a new drive. If you are doing a graphical install, the option is usually available by choosing expert install. Once you have one distro running, you have good Linux partitioning tools to partition the the rest of the drive however you want to. Beware, the default on most distros, is to use all the free space for the install. I have three distros on one drive and used some form of expert install to put them where I wanted them. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 22:49:56 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2nu06008596 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:49:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G2nudC008595 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:49:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2ntnP008591 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:49:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2ntH3004283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:49:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G2nVcj020220 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:49:32 -0400 Received: from dragon (165-253.119-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.119.253.165]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8G2nTGK017393 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:49:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "lance" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Question for the Tampa / Brandon group(s) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:47:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c5ba69$01f2f800$6401a8c0@dragon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0a3201c5b68d$34f25d70$6401a8c0@blackngold> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Who did you recommend for a solid firewall builder? I can not remember their names. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of xcalibre@mindspring.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 12:57 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Question for the Tampa / Brandon group(s) Sorry this is a late response lost all 3 of my hard drives in my pc. So been rough trying to recover data anyways Dave any time you're welcome to come to the meetings. Take Care Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meyer, David R" To: Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:20 PM Subject: [SLUG] Question for the Tampa / Brandon group(s) > Would anyone have any objection to my bringing my oldest son (he's 8) to > the SLUG meetings? He'd probably be playing super tux on my laptop > (OpenSuSE) but I think he'd be interested in some of the topics...he's > pretty technical for a kid his age. > > Thanks! > > Dave > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 9/10/2005 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 15 23:52:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G3qaUx009064 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G3qaPx009063 for slug-track29; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G3qaIn009059 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G3qa3v009010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:36 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G3qPxb018334 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:26 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8G3qNEh021170 for ; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:50:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk In-Reply-To: <20050916012908.44933.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: --- Eben King wrote: > > So you want to boot from a floppy and then run fdisk? Any rescue floppy > > (to pull one from my nether regions, Tom's Root-Boot aka tomsrtbt) > > should do that no problem. > No, no, no. I don't want to run fdisk, but a linux equivalent. When I > have installed a linux distro, I just use what the install recommend to > me. The/a Linux partitioning tool is /sbin/fdisk. Same name as FDISK.EXE (sorta) but different program. Rescue disks may have it in a different place. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar CANCER: The position of Jupiter says that you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud. Try not to shove a roll of duct tape up your nose when taking your driver's test. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 00:01:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G4124p009140 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G412o1009139 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G412ps009135 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G410tV009608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:01 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G40j12008361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:00:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 20804 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 23:00:42 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 23:00:42 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3F6BB11EF51; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:57:08 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Message-ID: <20050916035707.GC25277@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20050916014520.74629.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050916014520.74629.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.066, required 6, AWL -1.07) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 06:45:19PM -0700, William Coulter wrote: > busybox? What is that? Busybox is much smaller than the combination of programs it replaces, and thus is great for small (floppy) distros. It "masquerades" as other programs, and performs their functions. I don't know all the programs that busybox masquerades as. But instead of having a copy of "grep", "cat", "iptables", and "who" (for example) on your disk, you'd just have a single copy of busybox. If you wanted to run "iptables", you'd call it just like you normally would, but what would actually execute is busybox, masquerading as and doing the functions of iptables. Busybox typically drops support for some less commonly used options of the programs it emulates. But it takes up less disk space and memory ultimately. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 00:01:13 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G41DNt009147 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G41DZY009146 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G41DlN009142 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G41CMO009645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:01:12 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G40m2V026308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:00:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 20830 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2005 23:00:45 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 15 Sep 2005 23:00:45 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 38A0D11EF52; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:58:28 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Message-ID: <20050916035827.GD25277@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20050916012908.44933.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050916012908.44933.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.192, required 6, AWL 0.19) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 06:29:07PM -0700, William Coulter wrote: > No, no, no. I don't want to run fdisk, but a linux equivalent. When I > have installed a linux > distro, I just use what the install recommend to me. "fdisk" _is_ a Linux program. There is also a DOS/Windows program called "fdisk" which does a similar function. But Linux fdisk will do what you want. Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 00:02:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G42dns009169 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8G42dQI009168 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G42dRE009164 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G42c5K009843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:39 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8G42JE3008506 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:19 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8G42Gai020047 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:00:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk In-Reply-To: <20050916014520.74629.qmail@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: --- Eben King wrote: > > > Not "very special", just not a "kitchen-sink" kernel that comes with the > > distros. Here's mine: > > > > 780K /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.29 > > > Thats cool. How do I get one of these. Get the source from http://kernel.org/ . Unpack it somewhere. "cd" there. "make menuconfig" or "make xconfig". > Can I use it to setup partitions? ?? A kernel doesn't deal with stuff like that. > > Some rescue sets use busybox, which rolls lots of programs into one, > > combining the common parts and leaving out some less-common options. > > > busybox? What is that? http://freshmeat.net/projects/busybox/ ,-- | BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single | small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the | utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. The | utilities in BusyBox generally have fewer options than their full-featured | GNU cousins; however, the options that are included provide the expected | functionality and behave very much like their GNU counterparts. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 08:50:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GCoqQK013304 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:50:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8GCoqk0013303 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:50:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GCoq2G013299 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:50:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GCopUD028344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:50:52 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f37.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.47]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GCoXDc012245 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:50:33 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:50:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.206 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:50:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.206] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050916014221.78200.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:50:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2005 12:50:32.0848 (UTC) FILETIME=[39A2C100:01C5BABD] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.814, required 6, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR 1.05, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.76) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Go to the Slackware website, to "Get Slack", download the boot disk and root disk images. It will take 3 1.44MB diskettes for them. You can boot into a small Slackware system from those and use cfdisk or fdisk to set up your partitions any way you like. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: William Coulter Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:42:21 -0700 (PDT) No, I must not be have phrased the question correctly. I am looking for a floppy or floppys that I can use like a windows boot floppy. I know that I can use a rescue cd when a system goes down but I am not wanting to do that nor asked that question. That is what everybody seems to assume that is the question. I would like a way to set up partitions before I install an os. I want a way to delete existing partitons and then recreate them the way I want to before I install. This way I have more control on how and where or what os is on what partition. William > A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two 1.44's, > so I would guess a very special tiny kernel would be needed. > There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros that should > work from a floppy. > Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 K > so recompiling a regular distro's kernel with everything > turned off but "floppy" probably won't fit. > > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM or > temporarily put the new drive in a working computer? > Which is how I always do it. ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 09:00:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GD0Tg1013379 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:00:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8GD0TTR013378 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:00:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GD0SIg013374 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:00:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GD0SqE028979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:00:28 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f35.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.45]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GCxpGH017975 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:59:51 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:59:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.206 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:59:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.206] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:59:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2005 12:59:49.0262 (UTC) FILETIME=[8548CAE0:01C5BABE] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.762, required 6, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.76) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Of the two most common Linux partitioning tools fdisk and cfdisk, cfdisk is easier to use for someone not familiar with fdisk, as cfdisk uses an ncurses type "graphical" interface making selecting and working with your partitions a little easier to visualize. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:50:39 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, William Coulter wrote: > --- Eben King wrote: > > So you want to boot from a floppy and then run fdisk? Any rescue floppy > > (to pull one from my nether regions, Tom's Root-Boot aka tomsrtbt) > > should do that no problem. > No, no, no. I don't want to run fdisk, but a linux equivalent. When I > have installed a linux distro, I just use what the install recommend to > me. The/a Linux partitioning tool is /sbin/fdisk. Same name as FDISK.EXE (sorta) but different program. Rescue disks may have it in a different place. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar CANCER: The position of Jupiter says that you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 10:24:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GEOpsO014041 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:24:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8GEOpNN014040 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:24:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GEOoWp014036 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:24:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GEOoVi003123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:24:50 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.196]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GEO9Px023264 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:24:10 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so47615nzf for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HCqmsjNjHAaiPw4sLGJvypvQWiRsMhfFi4uAPq/1hLelwLEwv+etCvM14Htfw+rXNk63+iNmJlA8m5BQ8GvYRJYZUjxuD5pbNJcuw8rnn6Nw6xWiKdvZtrWgGFwwRtx0oRv9ylSd9aidNH6IJtbMTxlWKkUp4lViCT86l0Gj2Zc= Received: by 10.54.61.2 with SMTP id j2mr377505wra; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.139.3 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:24:07 -0400 From: Alex Harris To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] yum update when you have qmail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.734, required 6, AWL -1.17, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87, FS_OBFU_Q1 1.03) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8GEOoWp014037 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net when I run yum update (or on certin files "yum install xxx"), it wants to install an MTA (mail server, like exim, esmtp, sendmail, etc...). If I do the --exclude=exim it tries to install a different mail server. Is there a way to tell yum that I already have a mailserver? (qmail), so that it doesn't try to install one on me (some setting in yum.conf or another config file)? I don't want to have my qmail installation be overwritten by some other mailserver. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 11:15:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GFFqcc014357 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8GFFq16014356 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GFFppV014352 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GFFpOa006290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:51 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GFFZYY023244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:35 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.152] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GFFXQM017295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:34 -0400 Message-ID: <432AE197.2050504@nks.net> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:15:35 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Macintosh/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [SLUG] link to linux.org]] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090504040808090503060106" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.981, required 6, AWL -0.98) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090504040808090503060106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linux.org has been advised of their problem. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com --------------090504040808090503060106 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: [Fwd: [SLUG] link to linux.org]" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: [Fwd: [SLUG] link to linux.org]" Return-Path: Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GC4DAp006148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:04:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GC4CjH023849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:04:12 -0400 Received: from ganymede.invlogic.com (ganymede.invlogic.com [198.182.196.2]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GC3mMu007837 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:03:48 -0400 Received-SPF: fail (ganymede.invlogic.com: domain of webmaster@linux.org does not designate 80.36.89.111 as permitted sender) receiver=ganymede.invlogic.com; client_ip=80.36.89.111; envelope-from=webmaster@linux.org; Received: from concord.aminiar.com (111.Red-80-36-89.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.36.89.111]) by ganymede.invlogic.com (8.13.4/8.13.3) with SMTP id j8GC3j2n004319 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:03:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:04:06 +0200 From: Webmaster at Linux Online To: "Ian C. Blenke" Subject: Re: [Fwd: [SLUG] link to linux.org] Message-Id: <20050916140406.700e44ae.webmaster@linux.org> In-Reply-To: <4329DBF7.5030102@nks.net> References: <4329DBF7.5030102@nks.net> Organization: Linux Online Inc. X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Envelope-Sender: X-Envelope-Source: 80.36.89.111 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:39:19 -0400 "Ian C. Blenke" wrote: > http://linux.org unreachable. Your blacklist is apparently blocking > people from advising you of this as well. > > "Guess which URL was recently referenced in today's NY Times tech > article (req. required): > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/15/technology/circuits/15askk.html.? > I'm guessing they are losing a lot of traffic if others are having > trouble loading http://linux.org." Ian, Thanks for your mail. Linux Online is and has always been www.linux.org (with the www) as we have given and do give access to a number of national subdomains (like nl.linux.org, for example). I saw the piece in the NY Times yesterday morning and the first thing I did was email our network administrator and tell him that they had linked http://linux.org. I suppose we've lost some traffic, but what can you do? Thanks for your concern. > > "When I tried to email feedback@linux.org about the problem my email > wasbounced by their blacklist -- my email relay > smtpauth09.mail.atl.earthlink.net was listed as a "dial up"?! See > http://www.invlogic.com/mail/dial.html (and > http://lists.cinlug.org/pipermail/cinlug/2004-October/000009.html for > background information)." I think the mail system is sometimes disfunctional and this happens, I think, with too much frequency. I've taken this up with our network admin on several occasions and this is something that needs to be worked on. I'll pass that URL on to him and see what he says. Thanks again and best wishes, Mike Jordan -- ---------------------------------------------- Webmaster Linux Online Inc. http://www.linux.org/ webmaster@Linux.org ----------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Opinions expresses are my own and do not reflect the official policy of Linux Online Inc. unless specified. By accepting this email you agree that: The contents of this communication are for the private viewing of the recipient(s) and may not be posted, forwarded or reprinted without the express written permission of the sender. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 17:40:25 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GLePJQ017145 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:40:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8GLeOUV017144 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:40:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GLeOr7017140 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:40:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GLeJJi004195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:40:24 -0400 Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8GLdst2018001 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:39:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 56674 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 21:39:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VyKiTDHNdwwIQX8JURn5aUCq6pERQFXCuYvnyz9X6/SUu30z69da6ovTqvlTu12En+I/3bPngW6GFjPctMT7+KFxyx83n/3hSKHSC9WqQbo/48Gvmq48WyppZeOAiRu/3B6lxddjeDOfHMCJK8QSvo3ss8L3NM8VC11+IjvLWTA= ; Message-ID: <20050916213953.56672.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.167.105] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:39:53 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:39:53 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: RE: [SLUG] linux floppy disk To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200509160159.j8G1xMeP023625@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.195, required 6, AWL -1.54, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.48, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes. That is it. William --- Ken Elliott wrote: > >> I am looking for a floppy or floppys that I can use like a windows boot > floppy. > > That's the part that's confusing everyone. It implies that you want to boot > the OS. Do you mean you want to boot ONLY to create partitions? > > > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:42 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk > > No, I must not be have phrased the question correctly. I am looking for a > floppy or floppys that I can use like a windows boot floppy. I know that I > can use a rescue cd when a system goes down but I am not wanting to do that > nor asked that question. That is what everybody seems to assume that is the > question. I would like a way to set up partitions before I install an os. > I want a way to delete existing partitons and then recreate them the way I > want to before I install. This way I have more control on how and where or > what os is on what partition. > > William > > A rescue floppy for Slackware requires two 1.44's, so I would guess > > a very special tiny kernel would be needed. > > There are a few floppy and EPROM sized distros that should work from a > > floppy. > > Regular distro's need bash which is almost 629 K so recompiling a > > regular distro's kernel with everything turned off but "floppy" > > probably won't fit. > > > > Any reason to not try doing it with a rescue CD-ROM or temporarily > > put the new drive in a working computer? > > Which is how I always do it. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good > Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 18:02:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GM2HYx017294 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:02:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8GM2HTg017293 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:02:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GM2HYw017289 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:02:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GM2Ci7005396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:02:17 -0400 Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8GM1T6n028331 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:01:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 68083 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Sep 2005 22:01:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vtYyy/JXY8JnthFyittBsM+VLRxdG3NmQPowKxQ+iGAoqw1mwryk1WCSGr5ZVsEma+iAFWhIMPvBhPWxTK7AVAYKV5hNcRhI0biD9iClhb1/NRvBD6A5zYfjQV1gSvA1NL4JfiyOg9GWJm2c6NtN2LfqXZCdoyfpCCn5Wph8D7A= ; Message-ID: <20050916220128.68081.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.167.105] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:01:28 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 15:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk--thanks To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.576, required 6, AWL -0.77, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 0.48, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I wanted to say thanks to everyone who has given me input on this linux floppy disk stuff. I didn't know that linux was using fdisk tool. I downloaded toms boot floppy. I also am going to see if I like the boot floppy from slackware. Sorry for some of the confusion, I have not been feeling well these last few days. I am glad it is the weekend, so I can get better. William --- Mason Mullins wrote: > Of the two most common Linux partitioning tools fdisk and cfdisk, cfdisk is > easier to use for someone not familiar with fdisk, as cfdisk uses an ncurses > type "graphical" interface making selecting and working with your partitions > a little easier to visualize. > > Mason > > > Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Eben King > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] linux floppy disk > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:50:39 -0400 (EDT) > > On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, William Coulter wrote: > > > --- Eben King wrote: > > > So you want to boot from a floppy and then run fdisk? Any rescue > floppy > > > (to pull one from my nether regions, Tom's Root-Boot aka tomsrtbt) > > > should do that no problem. > > > No, no, no. I don't want to run fdisk, but a linux equivalent. When I > > have installed a linux distro, I just use what the install recommend to > > me. > > The/a Linux partitioning tool is /sbin/fdisk. Same name as FDISK.EXE > (sorta) but different program. Rescue disks may have it in a different > place. > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 19:28:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GNSnBJ017993 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:28:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8GNSnY1017992 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:28:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GNSmiK017988 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:28:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GNSmSk012857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:28:48 -0400 Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8GNSQqd018047 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:28:26 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1EGPd4-0000ur-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:28:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [SLUG] link to linux.org]] From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <432AE197.2050504@nks.net> References: <432AE197.2050504@nks.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-shrp1hEdt1TwPaWBT/XI" Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:28:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1126913291.16626.12.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.585, required 6, AWL -2.06, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.55, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-shrp1hEdt1TwPaWBT/XI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shouldn't linux.org show the various sub-domains instead of returning a "not found" error or something? You would lose less traffic...and look more professional? Roblimo? Russell On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 11:15 -0400, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > Linux.org has been advised of their problem. >=20 > - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.co= m >=20 > email message attachment (Re: [Fwd: [SLUG] link to linux.org]) > On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 11:15 -0400, Ian C. Blenke wrote: --=20 Russell Hires --=-shrp1hEdt1TwPaWBT/XI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDK1ULAqKGrvVshJQRAjHdAKDT1NzV+mf+0zeuCGFmbcD57uzXrwCgjiwc jzb8Hb9V9TAZ5b+LI5za2xg= =zKWN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-shrp1hEdt1TwPaWBT/XI-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 16 20:26:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H0QJRg018409 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:26:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8H0QJuj018408 for slug-track29; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:26:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H0QJEo018404 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:26:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H0QI8r016488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:26:18 -0400 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.194]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H0Q7BG028093 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:26:07 -0400 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so9329wxd for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:26:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Sgdj8QS+eicAqsrs5v22I4PmuhPfftXJGhnEMVbGMj9pkzb5j+ZADufwSBBOAtut1/mhh8Yr2DPUjGW68hdqiwV93SKmhtKD+w4XgwYt1002rJ7gYwqpJm5cey/9N/sXv704IirW3CVotByz2GtXYFtbilZqnX9DjRHYOljqELk= Received: by 10.70.104.7 with SMTP id b7mr409335wxc; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.66.3 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0509161726ef9841d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:26:07 -0400 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] yum update when you have qmail In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23794_1950842.1126916767234" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.031, required 6, FS_OBFU_Q1 1.03, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_23794_1950842.1126916767234 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't know if they've added anything to yum or rpm to do this, but the ol= d=20 games should still work. If you don't want to use an rpm version of qmail,= =20 you could fake the install with an rpm -i --justdb. Another workaround is t= o=20 install a "dummy" rpm that provides MTA, or is simply a package named MTA (= a=20 package's name is automatically a capability provided by the package). That's assuming MTA is the capability this package is requiring... you coul= d=20 rpm -qRp whatever rpm you are trying to install to verify what it requireds= . That said, the good and proper thing to do is have your MTA software manage= d=20 by RPM. Otherwise you start down a twisty path of goofy hacks like this and= =20 soon RPM is only good for inconvenience rather than package/dependency=20 management. ~ Daniel ------=_Part_23794_1950842.1126916767234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't know if they've added anything to yum or rpm to do this, but the old games should still work.  If you don't want to use an rpm version of qmail, you could fake the install with an rpm -i --justdb.  Another workaround is to install a "dummy" rpm that provides MTA, or is simply a package named MTA= (a package's name is automatically a capability provided by the package).

That's assuming MTA is the capability this package is requiring... you could rpm -qRp whatever rpm you are trying to install to verify what it requireds.

That said, the good and proper thing to do is have your MTA software managed by RPM.  Otherwise you start down a twisty path of goofy hacks like this and soon RPM is only good for inconvenience rather than package/dependency management.

~ Daniel

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 17 02:18:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H6IaiD020785 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8H6Ia4e020784 for slug-track29; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H6IV1c020780 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H6IV2W010368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8H6IBsJ030386 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8H6I7Eg021877 for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Novell SUSE 9.3 Pro Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:20:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509170220.52391.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.607, required 6, AWL -0.61) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Suse has secure signatures on distributed RPM's. I downloaded the newest Opera 8.02 RPM and the Epson ISCAN RPM. When I try to install them with YAST, I get "error loading package list". Can you use Yast to import non Novell SUSE Packages? If so, how? It looks like they can be installed by command line. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 19 00:31:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J4VX6c009458 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:31:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8J4VXUE009457 for slug-track29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:31:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J4VWpc009453 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:31:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J4VWjM027217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:31:32 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J4Uqem017480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:30:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 20773 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2005 23:30:39 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2005 23:30:39 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2EB2E11EF52; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:30:07 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050919043007.2EB2E11EF52@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 00:30:07 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.166, required 6, AWL 0.17) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 20 September 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Latitude 23.5 Coffee Shop 2820 Clark Rd (Swift/Tuttle and Clark) Sarasota, FL 34231 See http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=2820+Clark+Rd,+Sarasota,+FL+34231 for a map. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 26 September 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) J. J. Rohrer Sterling Square 600 First Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://maps.google.com/maps?q=600+First+Ave+N,+Saint+Petersburg,+FL&spn=0.017456,0.027210&hl=en for map. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 1 October 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 6 October 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 8 October 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 11 October 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 19 02:55:48 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J6tmgM010527 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:55:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8J6tmRA010526 for slug-track29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:55:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J6tmnT010522 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:55:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J6tlaR006589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:55:48 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8J6tF3X005275 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:55:15 -0400 Received: from pool-34.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.214] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30h/96) id 3ZBE800 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:53:33 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] command line - re-combining extracted files Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 02:56:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509190256.38829.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.014, required 6, AWL -0.01) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Been copying some of my favorite DVD movies and making backups of my grandchildren's games using the command line programs like vobcopy, tcextract & requant to shrink them to reproduce them and have fit on a regular sized DVD. The other night when I ripped a DVD it surprised me by creating 3 separate vob files of 2,2,&1.5 gigs. Now, that won't fit on a regular DVD. Meed to be converted and shrunk. The first vob converted perfectly to an m2v video file which was playable, but the second & third would not. They converted to the m2v file extension and were the proper size but could not be viewed. I am guessing that there is some code in the first vob that controls the second & third, and they need to be re-combined before conversion or when I actually extract them to the m2v format. So, the problem is, before being able to proceed further can they simply be cat(ted) together, and if so what is the command? Or, when I go to tcextract them include all of the vob's in one line to recombine them for the output in the extraction process? Have tried many variations of the following command: tcextract -i input1.vob input2.vob input3.vob -t vob -x mpeg2 > movie.m2v That will extract a readable/playable file for the first vob and completely ignores the 2nd & 3rd. Variations on this produce error messages. As you can see I am not very familiar with all of the options and nuances of command line structure. I've checked howto's mailing lists that do these kinds of things and googled forever. Nothing seems to address this particular situation. I realize this is a kind of "off the wall" kind of question but perhaps the guru's on this list can help me with the proper command line commands to accomplish this. Hoping that someine in this list will understand what I am babbling about. Please ask if you do not and are willing, or think you may be able to try to help. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 19 12:57:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JGv0gx015058 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:57:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8JGv0CU015057 for slug-track29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:57:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JGuxhD015053 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:56:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JGuxUi023745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:56:59 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JGuULw000904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:56:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.14] (tamqfl1-ar3-177-026.biz.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.177.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8JGuS3p017806 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:56:29 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] Experiences syncing Blackberry 7290 (Cingular) and Evolution From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-jJzFkZPKCWJPCq9BzYU2" Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:56:34 -0400 Message-Id: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.649, required 6, AWL -1.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-jJzFkZPKCWJPCq9BzYU2 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm hoping to use Mult-Sync with SyncML to get this to work. Has anyone tried this? Also am looking at the Treo 650, but I hate antennae (unless they're on bugs). -Eric Jahn --=-jJzFkZPKCWJPCq9BzYU2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDLu3BVnvthVFGjRERAjCeAJ9Fv7Vp0NEGhMnw7k5XEyfdhahR6QCePAP6 wBQyrHxjKYTFE4VypVkk6no= =mdyc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-jJzFkZPKCWJPCq9BzYU2-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 19 13:12:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JHClAT015162 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8JHCl5q015161 for slug-track29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JHClk8015157 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JHCkun024727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:46 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JHC3FJ017915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:03 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JHC3Cd016421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:03 -0400 Message-ID: <432EF163.5060401@blenke.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:12:03 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Experiences syncing Blackberry 7290 (Cingular) and Evolution References: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> In-Reply-To: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.25, required 6, AWL 1.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eric Jahn wrote: >I'm hoping to use Mult-Sync with SyncML to get this to work. Has anyone >tried this? Also am looking at the Treo 650, but I hate antennae >(unless they're on bugs). -Eric Jahn > > Welcome to the fringe. This is something I've been playing with for a while (with Series60 phones, but a similar effort). I'd love to hear if you have any success, particularly over bluetooth. - Ian C. Blenke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 19 16:21:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JKLIne016681 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:21:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8JKLI9l016680 for slug-track29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:21:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JKLHEB016676 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:21:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JKLHvt007068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:21:17 -0400 Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.198]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8JKKmuX006668 for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:20:49 -0400 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v38so210637qbe for ; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:20:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Oeqla4VgGlOLdkHZyhQq0d4ZUrpia1C5FsTncHlaxHF1eWay6RoICxR40ldKJg6k52MqMOhRS7qZ8b2ymLYdqdz46K9zzTSX5wQBMO7bSoo3wrM8XZPos4q2uWhC+xkhMKEtOAeK0C0O6GFdF3Bz/LpQOP66cCfw7CimRcrpnwk= Received: by 10.64.209.14 with SMTP id h14mr58146qbg; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.251.18 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c905705091913205cc2c91c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:20:47 -0500 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Experiences syncing Blackberry 7290 (Cingular) and Evolution In-Reply-To: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8JKLHEB016677 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 9/19/05, Eric Jahn wrote: > I'm hoping to use Mult-Sync with SyncML to get this to work. Has anyone > tried this? Also am looking at the Treo 650, but I hate antennae With regards to the antennas, most of those devices that hide them put them somewhere behind your hand so most of the signal goes into heating your hand and not out to reach the base station and give you better communications. They are taking advantage of the fact there is a lot of good coverage out there so they can get away with that sort of thing, but is still means you have put your self at a disadvantage if the hidden antenna is behind your hand or something else that is not all that RF transparent. -- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 20 08:22:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KCMKdn023887 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:22:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8KCMKbb023886 for slug-track29; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:22:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KCMKmV023882 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:22:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KCMKsM014436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:22:20 -0400 Received: from lucius.provo.novell.com (lucius.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.172]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KCM3Fr019539 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:22:04 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV1-MTA by lucius.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:21:59 -0600 Message-Id: <432FC697.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:21:43 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: [SLUG] SUSE 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8KCMKmV023883 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net FYI...SUSE 10 will be available 30 Sept. The OSS version (only GPL licensed software - no java or non-GPL software) will be available from opensuse.org shortly. SUSE 10 RC4 is the final version and it's going thru final testing now. If you want a retail boxed copy - the price has been reduced to US$59.95. You can pre-order from http://novell.com/suselinux10 and if you order before 1 October shipping is free. Lot's of interesting new things in SUSE10 such as a "light" version of Novell's Apparmor, support for XEN, several IP phones, P2P clients, MUCH improved bluetooth support and it supports the latest open standards such as LSB 3.0. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 20 09:08:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KD8S58024187 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:08:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8KD8Sue024186 for slug-track29; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:08:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KD8RBc024182 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:08:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KD8RnM016824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:08:27 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KD85Vh002560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:08:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (tamqfl1-ar3-177-026.biz.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.177.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8KD81eE014879 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:08:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Experiences syncing Blackberry 7290 (Cingular) and Evolution From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <432EF163.5060401@blenke.com> References: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> <432EF163.5060401@blenke.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-/R/daLdh+1QoYYGCIDvO" Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:08:00 -0400 Message-Id: <1127221680.5206.5.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-/R/daLdh+1QoYYGCIDvO Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 13:12 -0400, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > Welcome to the fringe. This is something I've been playing with for a=20 > while (with Series60 phones, but a similar effort). >=20 > I'd love to hear if you have any success, particularly over bluetooth. Looks like the Treo 650 will be much easier to get fully syncing with Linux. These Blackberries might be worth waiting until October for: http://www.slashphone.com/95/2579.html -Eric --=-/R/daLdh+1QoYYGCIDvO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDMAmvVnvthVFGjRERAmlWAJ9azjFsPNi0dtVJQ9hJtfNdcnlWuQCcCVXc 7cCLSp9C4EXKboe/fkfeqTA= =maCZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-/R/daLdh+1QoYYGCIDvO-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 20 10:55:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KEtqDi024974 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8KEtqvD024973 for slug-track29; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KEtqI9024969 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KEtr99025200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:53 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KEtN0R003571 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (165-73.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.73.165]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8KEtKGK026422 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Experiences syncing Blackberry 7290 (Cingular) and Evolution From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> References: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:55:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1127228120.4627.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.869, required 6, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.87) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2005-09-19 at 12:56 -0400, Eric Jahn wrote: > I'm hoping to use Mult-Sync with SyncML to get this to work. Has anyone > tried this? Also am looking at the Treo 650, but I hate antennae > (unless they're on bugs). -Eric Jahn Currently I have a Blackberry 7520 and I spent a few days trying to get it all to sync on Linux with little success. I use the blackberry as my phone email and calendar when I'm out and about. I'm planning to dump my Blackberry in favor of a Treo 650. As far as I can tell the 650 is a Palm based and will sync under Linux just fine. My biggest complaints are: 1. Lack of Sync support for Linux 2. Nextel & Sprint merger put my service in the toilet and they don't care. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 20 11:51:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KFpESb025361 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:51:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8KFpEaO025360 for slug-track29; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:51:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KFpEHZ025356 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:51:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KFpE40029017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:51:14 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KFojYH020604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:50:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (tamqfl1-ar3-177-026.biz.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.177.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8KFoiCB024200 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:50:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Experiences syncing Blackberry 7290 (Cingular) and Evolution From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1127228120.4627.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127148994.10642.3.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> <1127228120.4627.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-EPwVZkFkGn+Wi/4DQQxC" Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:50:42 -0400 Message-Id: <1127231443.5206.61.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.531, required 6, AWL -1.53) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-EPwVZkFkGn+Wi/4DQQxC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 10:55 -0400, Russ Wright wrote: > I use the blackberry as my phone email and calendar when I'm out and > about. I'm planning to dump my Blackberry in favor of a Treo 650. As > far as I can tell the 650 is a Palm based and will sync under Linux just > fine. Should be a piece of cake to get your new 650 working. I actually have had great success getting all sorts of sync/file transfer functionality out of my Zire 72, so I'm looking forward to this improvement in linux/palm capabilities, esp. bluetooth syncing. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8185 Trying to find a new/used 650 for under $425 independent of plan is proving challenging though. -Eric --=-EPwVZkFkGn+Wi/4DQQxC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDMC/RVnvthVFGjRERAjm5AKCazYzEDs85OTWEcsMqU7MiY3qARgCgme2b ms9wdtZUIwqCPa7LOpwL00Y= =qQlc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-EPwVZkFkGn+Wi/4DQQxC-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 20 16:32:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KKWS8w027439 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:32:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8KKWSrj027438 for slug-track29; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:32:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KKWSC0027434 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:32:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KKWRuE016567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:32:27 -0400 Received: from mail.hallock.net (mail.hallock.net [207.54.169.132]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KKVvDE004658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:31:57 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [70.110.79.113] (account macyh HELO [192.168.1.33]) by mail.hallock.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 213315 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:43:13 -0400 Message-ID: <433071B5.9070509@hallock.net> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:31:49 -0400 From: Macy1 Hallock User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Free, as in hardware, not beer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.906, required 6, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80, SARE_SUB_COMMA_LEAD 0.62, SUB_FREE_OFFER 0.48) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net More free hardware from my garage clean out. Some items are Linux compatible. Some aren't. And some don't care. 1. NetGear WR814v2 wireless router, like new, but flakes out when it gets hot, likely a thermal component, well suited to projects inside the Arctic Circle or large freezers. 2. Qty 2 Xircom CWE1120 802.11b PCMCIA Wireless Card, 40 bit These are OEM versions of the excellent Cisco/Aironet 4800/340 30mw output. Superior receive sensitivity. New in OEM white box. These play well with the Linux Aironet4800 drivers, though you may have to setup a symbolic link in some systems (consult google). You can use these with Windoze by downloading drivers from Intel (who bought Xircom) or by forcing Aironet 4800 or Cisco 340 drivers. 3. Cidco MailStation DETI-01 Has a cute keyboard with 8 line display. Makes dial up call, initiates ppp and will retrieve mail via pop3 plus send via SMTP relay. Text only, but it works fine and is not difficult to program. 4. Yamaha YST-M10 amplified desktop speakers with power supply work well but the front cloth is somwhat dirty. Not as loud as a Pink Floyd Concert, but then again, what is...? 5. One plain old 2500 type desk telephone set. Works fine and since it's an older model, if you drop it on your foot, you'll limp for the rest of day. These are touch tone. May be a bit dirty or faded. Think I've got more than one of these plus a good brown 2554 wall set. 6. Sony STR-D515 Stereo Receiver. Looks new, but has one channel out, probably the final amplifer module because I get audio at the jacks. I'm told this is not difficult to repair with a generic replacement module. Or use it with an external amp and you'll be fine. I think I have the correct remote for it here someplace, too. Rules: You pick up here at my house in Lutz, off Livingston, not far from USF and Bearss Ave, day or eve. Free beer is optional. Take more, not less, really prefer you'd take it all. Not responsible for additional items that I throw in your trunk if you leave it open and turn your back for a moment. I've also got a TV and Ikea Chair on craigslist cheap. Plus lots more on Ebay (search on seller macyh) More to come. -- Macy Hallock Hallock Consulting Medina, OH - Lutz, FL Tel 813-632-2988 Cell 813-493-8899 Email macy1 (at) hallock.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 20 19:52:59 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KNqxfd028843 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:52:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8KNqxAc028842 for slug-track29; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:52:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KNqwIE028838 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:52:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KNqwtP031873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:52:58 -0400 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.195]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8KNqa5T008677 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:52:36 -0400 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t12so63504wxc for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:52:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=iHkUBVnq2x67uYq52T5/1BYw3AgOO/oBmguM5+rbb6pEpnn3eHSy3Bkbyzqv77TN274lCUKhzfylBYAzkcSilHmRSgkwUY72Qn7snJH59ZNqmV6ATucSy4wMd3eKfBwWm5/HnZYLHRIC5r/o71zfnJ6DiqvJSpM3CAkUMVUgvgg= Received: by 10.70.47.13 with SMTP id u13mr2170570wxu; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.15.100? ( [24.28.27.219]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i13sm1067033wxd.2005.09.20.16.52.35; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: slug@nks.net From: Steven Buehler Subject: [SLUG] Opera goes FREE! Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:52:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=5.367, required 6, RCVD_IN_DSBL 0.71, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_SUB_FREE_BANG 0.56, WEIRD_PORT 1.41) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8KNqwIE028839 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Note: The announcement below does not affect the mobile versions of Opera ... the Mobile versions for Series 60 and Windows Mobile are still commercial payware. --- Feel Free: Opera Eliminates Ad Banner and Licensing Fee Oslo, Norway - September 20, 2005 Opera Software today permanently removed the ad banner and licensing fee from its award-winning Web browser. The ad-free, full-featured Opera browser is now available for download - completely free of charge – at http://www.opera.com. "Today we invite the entire Internet community to use Opera and experience Web browsing as it should be," said Jon S. von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software. "Removing the ad banner and licensing fee will encourage many new users to discover the speed, security and unmatched usability of the Opera browser." Opera was previously available free of charge with an ad banner. Users had the option of paying a licensing fee to remove the ad banner and receive premium support. "Opera fans around the globe made this day possible," said von Tetzchner. "As we grow our userbase, our mission and our promise remain steadfast: we will always offer the best Internet experience to our users - on any device. Today this mission gains new ground." Availability Download the Opera browser, available in 20 languages. The complete download is less than 4MB. About the Opera Browser Already regarded as the world's fastest, most secure browser, Opera speeds up your Web browsing with these innovative features: Navigate quickly using intuitive mouse gestures and browser tabs Start from where your last browsing session ended or save your entire session Access downloaded files quickly with the transfer manager Protect against identity theft and phishing with integrated security features Speak up: surf the Web hands-free using voice commands Shop Amazon, browse Ebay, and search the Web with Google right from the address bar Set reminders for Web pages you visit with the notes feature Additional information A complete list of features Screenshots Press resources About Opera Software ASA Opera Software ASA is an industry leader in the development of Web browser technology, targeting the desktop, smartphone, PDA, home media and vertical markets. Partners include companies such as IBM, Nokia, Sony, Motorola, Adobe, Macromedia, Symbian, Canal+ Technologies, Sony Ericsson, Kyocera, Sharp, Motorola Metroworks, MontaVista Software, BenQ, Sendo and AMD. The Opera browser has received international recognition from users, industry experts and media for being faster, smaller and more standards-compliant than other browsers. Opera's browser technology is cross-platform and modular, and currently available on the following operating systems: Windows, Linux, Mac OS, Symbian OS, Windows Mobile, BREW, QNX, TRON, FreeBSD, Solaris and Mediahighway. Opera Software ASA is headquartered in Oslo, Norway, with development centers in Linkoping and Gothenburg, Sweden. The company is listed on the Oslo Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol OPERA. Learn more about Opera at www.opera.com. Steven W. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 20 22:51:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L2pWXI030133 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:51:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8L2pWWn030132 for slug-track29; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:51:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L2pV15030128 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:51:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L2pVoG011849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:51:31 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L2pBfl020475 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:51:11 -0400 Received: from pool-7.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.187] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.30h/96) id 3ZVRU00 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:49:29 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] re-combining extracted media files Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:54:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509202254.18868.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.275, required 6, AWL 0.27, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Been copying some of my favorite DVD movies and making backups of my grandchildren's games using the command line programs like vobcopy, tcextract & requant to shrink them to reproduce them and have fit on a regular sized DVD. The other night when I ripped a DVD it surprised me by creating 3 separate vob files of 2,2,&1.5 gigs. Now, that won't fit on a regular DVD. Meed to be converted and shrunk. The first vob converted perfectly to an m2v video file which was playable, but the second & third would not. They converted to the m2v file extension and were the proper size but could not be viewed. (not recognized) I am guessing that there is some code in the first vob that controls the second & third, and they need to be re-combined before conversion or when I actually extract them to the m2v format. So, the problem is, before being able to proceed further can they simply be cat(ted) together, and if so what is the command? Or, when I go to tcextract them include all of the vob's in one line to recombine them for the output in the extraction process? Have tried many variations of the following command: tcextract -i input1.vob input2.vob input3.vob -t vob -x mpeg2 > movie.m2v That will extract a readable/playable file for the first vob and completely ignores the 2nd & 3rd. Variations on this produce error messages. As you can see I am not very familiar with all of the options and nuances of command line structure. I've checked howto's mailing lists that do these kinds of things and googled forever. Nothing seems to address this particular situation. I realize this is a kind of "off the wall" kind of question but perhaps the guru's on this list can help me with the proper command line commands to accomplish this. Hoping that someine in this list will understand what I am babbling about. Please ask if you do not and are willing, or think you may be able to try to help. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 01:16:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L5G9FD031197 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:16:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8L5G8lI031188 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:16:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L5G5Jf031167 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:16:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L5G5om023591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:16:05 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8L5FmTt027141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:15:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 6872 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2005 00:15:44 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2005 00:15:44 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E182111EF51; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:03:24 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] PHP/MySQL security Message-ID: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.498, required 6, AWL 0.50, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm analyzing a site that we're taking over from someone else. Heavy use of PHP and MySQL. Many of the pages allow people at the company to add, delete and change items in the MySQL tables. When someone logs in to get to this section of the site, PHP queries the MySQL tables to determine if this person has the appropriate privileges, and shows them the page they've requested. But here's the thing: at the top of every page, PHP queries the MySQL tables _again_ to determine if the user (passed in session variables) has the appropriate privileges, etc. Isn't there a simpler, less costly (computer time) way to do this? Seems like there ought to be some way to pass a session variable (or something) along and query that in each page, without having to go back and check the tables for privileges each time you load a page. Any ideas? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 08:08:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LC8V2L001874 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:08:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LC8VW9001873 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:08:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LC8UWx001869 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:08:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LC8Uk8022318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:08:31 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LC89cV001526 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:08:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.160] ([192.168.10.160]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03567 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:01:32 -0400 Message-ID: <43314B30.40804@washpat.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:59:44 -0400 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.5 (Windows/20050711) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] PHP/MySQL security References: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.803, required 6, AWL 0.80, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: >I'm analyzing a site that we're taking over from someone else. Heavy use >of PHP and MySQL. Many of the pages allow people at the company to add, >delete and change items in the MySQL tables. When someone logs in to get >to this section of the site, PHP queries the MySQL tables to determine >if this person has the appropriate privileges, and shows them the page >they've requested. > >But here's the thing: at the top of every page, PHP queries the MySQL >tables _again_ to determine if the user (passed in session variables) >has the appropriate privileges, etc. Isn't there a simpler, less costly >(computer time) way to do this? Seems like there ought to be some way to >pass a session variable (or something) along and query that in each >page, without having to go back and check the tables for privileges each >time you load a page. > >Any ideas? > > > You can pass it to a cookie or pass it as a hidden post object. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 08:28:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCSAth002063 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:28:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LCSANn002062 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:28:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCS9ud002058 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:28:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCS3xd023848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:28:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCRbNI002500 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:27:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (165-73.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.73.165]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8LCRZah018806 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] PHP/MySQL security From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> References: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:27:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1127305655.4615.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 (2.0.4-6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.994, required 6, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Use session variables. I have one script that tests the login credentials at the beginning and then sets some session variables. I run my SQL query and then assign the result to $sql_result and then test like so: if (mysql_num_rows($sql_result)==0){ //if we got no rows not a valid user $_SESSION["cms_is_valid_user"]="No"; } else { //if we got back a record then it is a valid user $_SESSION["cms_is_valid_user"]="Yes"; } Now at the top of each page I test this session variable: if ($_SESSION["cms_is_valid_user"]=="No"){ header("Location: "."login.php"); } Regards Russ On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 01:03 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > I'm analyzing a site that we're taking over from someone else. Heavy use > of PHP and MySQL. Many of the pages allow people at the company to add, > delete and change items in the MySQL tables. When someone logs in to get > to this section of the site, PHP queries the MySQL tables to determine > if this person has the appropriate privileges, and shows them the page > they've requested. > > But here's the thing: at the top of every page, PHP queries the MySQL > tables _again_ to determine if the user (passed in session variables) > has the appropriate privileges, etc. Isn't there a simpler, less costly > (computer time) way to do this? Seems like there ought to be some way to > pass a session variable (or something) along and query that in each > page, without having to go back and check the tables for privileges each > time you load a page. > > Any ideas? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 08:56:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCuNJM002221 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:56:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LCuNDm002220 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:56:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCuNSr002216 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:56:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCuMa2026000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:56:23 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.200]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LCuBB2004611 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:56:11 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so1218268nzf for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:56:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=M5BMsUUHHaKoRB/3NDPPs+B9UV7cd+clkoEMe8nlQfi9mfbbCz1lHjuyUAP6FiSExS8KX7Q3MPtmhC2XKFKXQMxmeQMqryLIzNImWXGAC47VRVO1SL4z56WDBEtwYmLuYJSsx6kfoZml4xTsCY9FBummb9E4Fbt9Jw2n8ZuNOKI= Received: by 10.54.56.75 with SMTP id e75mr2461980wra; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.91.10 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88f827b605092105565b59a060@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:56:08 -0400 From: Mavrick To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] PHP/MySQL security In-Reply-To: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_325_32553787.1127307368009" References: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.286, required 6, AWL -0.86, BAYES_01 -1.52, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_325_32553787.1127307368009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/21/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > I'm analyzing a site that we're taking over from someone else. Heavy use > of PHP and MySQL. Many of the pages allow people at the company to add, > delete and change items in the MySQL tables. When someone logs in to get > to this section of the site, PHP queries the MySQL tables to determine > if this person has the appropriate privileges, and shows them the page > they've requested. > > But here's the thing: at the top of every page, PHP queries the MySQL > tables _again_ to determine if the user (passed in session variables) > has the appropriate privileges, etc. Isn't there a simpler, less costly > (computer time) way to do this? Seems like there ought to be some way to > pass a session variable (or something) along and query that in each > page, without having to go back and check the tables for privileges each > time you load a page. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Paul M. Foster Paul: We have been playing with the LAMP (Linux Apache MySql Php) configuration here at work for a database that tracks inventory, employee info, online trouble tickets, etc. and have found that handling authentication using Apache 2.0 is simpler and more robust than using MySql itself. Having the user authenticated by Apache allows MySql to do what it does best and that is just be a database. While the PHP code that I have written accesses the database under a specific MySql username and that user has tightly controlled permissions within MySql, the access to the directories that holds the web pages is controlled by Apache. If you are using Apache you have a choice; you can use Basic Authentication (.htaccess) on a file by file basis, or you can use global access settings in the .conf file on a directory by directory basis. The second method is preferred according to the Apache docs ( http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/). This would authenticate your user at the beginning of their use of the database and there would be no need to reauthenticate at the top of each page. Once they are done, they exit out and if they need to use it again they simply have to start a new session and login again. I know your post did not indicate which web server you were using, but I have found this method to work so far. I am by no means an authority on the subject, I just have some experience with this particular setup. I hope thi= s helps. Cheers, Mav ------=_Part_325_32553787.1127307368009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 9/21/05, Paul M Foster <pa= ulf@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
I'm analyzing a site that we're taking over from someone else. Heavy useof PHP and MySQL. Many of the pages allow people at the company to add,delete and change items in the MySQL tables. When someone logs in to get
to this section of the site, PHP queries the MySQL tables to determine<= br>if this person has the appropriate privileges, and shows them the pagethey've requested.

But here's the thing: at the top of every page,= PHP queries the MySQL
tables _again_ to determine if the user (passed in session variables)has the appropriate privileges, etc. Isn't there a simpler, less costly(computer time) way to do this? Seems like there ought to be some way to
pass a session variable (or something) along and query that in each
= page, without having to go back and check the tables for privileges eachtime you load a page.

Any ideas?

--
Paul M. Foster


Paul:

We have been playing with the LAMP (Linux Apache MySql Php) configuration here at work for a database that tracks inventory, employee info, online trouble tickets, etc. and have found that handling authentication using Apache 2.0 is simpler and more robust than using MySql itself.  Having the user authenticated by Apache allows MySql to do what it does best and that is just be a database.  While the PHP code that I have written accesses the database under a specific MySql username and that user has tightly controlled permissions within MySql, the access to the directories that holds the web pages is controlled by Apache.

If you are using Apache you have a choice;  you can use Basic Authentication (.htaccess) on a file by file basis, or you can use global access settings in the .conf file on a directory by directory basis.  The second method is preferred according to the Apache docs ( http://httpd.apache.or= g/docs/2.0/ ).  This would authenticate your user at the beginning of their use of the database and there would be no need to reauthenticate at the top of each page. Once they are done, they exit out and if they need to use it again they simply have to start a new session and login again.

I know your post did not indicate which web server you were using, but I have found this method to work so far.  I am by no means an authority on the subject, I just have some experience with this particular setup. I hope this helps.

Cheers,  Mav

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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 13:48:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LHmHUg004366 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:48:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LHmH00004365 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:48:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LHmHGl004361 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:48:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LHmG4Y011792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:48:16 -0400 Received: from bish.net (bish.net [209.241.232.100]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LHluMA018957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:47:59 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bish.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI8hH-0000kd-Ur for slug@nks.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:47:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:47:55 -0400 (EDT) From: mark@bish.net X-X-Sender: mark@vincent To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.096, required 6, AWL 0.74, BAYES_00 -4.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone have any experience with such a product/program. I am looking for recommendations good or bad. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 14:02:16 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LI2GoP004478 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:02:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LI2G4o004477 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LI2Gdi004473 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LI2BZn012907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from postman2.pboa.com (bdsl.66.12.253.246.gte.net [66.12.253.246]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LI1cUZ018385 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:01:42 -0400 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:01:37 -0400 Message-ID: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC3027E2B@postman2.pboa.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking thread-index: AcW+1X+VqVlb/CDyTYe6OWIj4Wzg4wAAJOYg From: "Jeffrey Kroll" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.221, required 6, AWL -0.22, BAYES_50 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8LI2Gdi004474 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net mark@bish.net wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with such a product/program. I am > looking for recommendations good or bad. Tons of them out there... PHProjekt and dotproject just two of the ones I can think of off the top of my head I have tested dotproject in a non production envrionment and believe that it would be a good time management web based asset. Here's a MUCH longer list http://proj.chbs.dk/ Hope this helps ---- Name: Jeffrey Kroll Email: jkroll@pboa.com Phone: 941.955.0793 ext 360 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 14:11:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIBAd6004549 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:11:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LIBAcU004548 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:11:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIB9lZ004544 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:11:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIB9SA013489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:11:09 -0400 Received: from nickel.veritas.com (nickel.veritas.com [143.127.144.61]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIAiGP018048 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:10:44 -0400 Received: from rxchcon2-int.veritas.com (HELO ROSXCHCON2.enterprise.veritas.com) (10.82.152.190) by nickel.veritas.com with ESMTP; 21 Sep 2005 13:10:38 -0500 Received: from ROSXCHCLN7.enterprise.veritas.com ([10.82.152.178]) by ROSXCHCON2.enterprise.veritas.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:10:38 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:10:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking Thread-Index: AcW+1cO1QauS33bjQoOWC11pC6YBHgAAdZPw From: "Brian Radwanski" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2005 18:10:38.0323 (UTC) FILETIME=[C50E6C30:01C5BED7] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.068, required 6, AWL -0.07, BAYES_40 -0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8LIB9lZ004545 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Phprojekt, is really complete, project management and groupware type tool. You can add or remove as many modules as you like as to tailor fit to your needs. There is a time tracking mechanism, and tasks can serve as subtasks to an infinite dependency chain. Pretty slick. B -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of mark@bish.net Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 1:48 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking Does anyone have any experience with such a product/program. I am looking for recommendations good or bad. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 14:27:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIREox004751 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:27:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LIREFG004750 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:27:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIRDFa004746 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:27:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIRDtf014518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:27:13 -0400 Received: from bish.net (bish.net [209.241.232.100]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LIQwBU024281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:27:00 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by bish.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI9J2-0000qf-Nk for slug@nks.net; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:26:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: mark@bish.net X-X-Sender: mark@vincent To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking In-Reply-To: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC3027E2B@postman2.pboa.com> Message-ID: References: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC3027E2B@postman2.pboa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.446, required 6, AWL -1.60, BAYES_40 -0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Jeffrey Kroll wrote: > mark@bish.net wrote: >> Does anyone have any experience with such a product/program. I am >> looking for recommendations good or bad. > > Tons of them out there... PHProjekt and dotproject just two of the ones > I can think of off the top of my head > I have tested dotproject in a non production envrionment and believe > that it would be a good time management web based asset. Yeah, I saw that on my google search which is why I am asking people so that I can narrow down my search. I don't want to spend a lot of time trying something out to not have it work well. > > > Here's a MUCH longer list > > http://proj.chbs.dk/ > Thanks for the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Sep 21 19:40:35 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LNeYsa007095 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8LNeYeK007094 for slug-track29; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LNeYsW007090 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8LNeYsG002010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:34 -0400 Received: from web53114.mail.yahoo.com (web53114.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.64]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8LNeEFX017831 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 19:40:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 55116 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Sep 2005 23:40:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OCcDUaRqJfRB3hi27RmbRxEqWcBy3FqTnimREwjDSUTXxkZ3Lh4i3kC3mAvv0F2fFV11fx4iSFG08QNetCZ5KgT1nEjlQvKe1C5jTGbX8VFQJRCPrjoJaZtRumv4m1k0BLfT11fGkMVgfKIZukp/R0qb2sw1+Uob6RuRn83IVCE= ; Message-ID: <20050921234007.55114.qmail@web53114.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.200.109.238] by web53114.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:40:07 PDT Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:40:07 -0700 (PDT) From: James Bennett Subject: Re: [SLUG] PHP/MySQL security To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20050921050324.GK25277@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-907813911-1127346007=:54923" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=3.792, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99, HTML_MESSAGE 0.10, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-907813911-1127346007=:54923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Have you looked into writing your own sql session handler? This allows you to control whether or not the session variables are stored on the server or on the client. I preffer to store the session on the server. This precludes a unsavory user from forging the cookie variables and gaining access to the site. If you are interested in this type of solution Email me jaben55@yahoo.com and I'll provide more information. James Bennett Business Functionality Paul M Foster wrote: I'm analyzing a site that we're taking over from someone else. Heavy use of PHP and MySQL. Many of the pages allow people at the company to add, delete and change items in the MySQL tables. When someone logs in to get to this section of the site, PHP queries the MySQL tables to determine if this person has the appropriate privileges, and shows them the page they've requested. But here's the thing: at the top of every page, PHP queries the MySQL tables _again_ to determine if the user (passed in session variables) has the appropriate privileges, etc. Isn't there a simpler, less costly (computer time) way to do this? Seems like there ought to be some way to pass a session variable (or something) along and query that in each page, without having to go back and check the tables for privileges each time you load a page. Any ideas? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. --0-907813911-1127346007=:54923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Have you looked into writing your own sql session handler?
 
This allows you to control whether or not the session variables are stored on the server or on the client. I preffer to store the session on the server. This precludes a unsavory user from forging the cookie variables and gaining access to the site.
 
If you are interested in this type of solution Email me jaben55@yahoo.com and I'll provide more information.
 
James Bennett
 
Business Functionality
 


Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
I'm analyzing a site that we're taking over from someone else. Heavy use
of PHP and MySQL. Many of the pages allow people at the company to add,
delete and change items in the MySQL tables. When someone logs in to get
to this section of the site, PHP queries the MySQL tables to determine
if this person has the appropriate privileges, and shows them the page
they've requested.

But here's the thing: at the top of every page, PHP queries the MySQL
tables _again_ to determine if the user (passed in session variables)
has the appropriate privileges, etc. Isn't there a simpler, less costly
(computer time) way to do this? Seems like there ought to be some way to
pass a session variable (or something) along and query that in each
page, without having to go back and check the tables for privileges each
time you load a page.

Any ideas?

--
Paul M. Foster
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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 08:17:24 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MCHOVE012831 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8MCHO6o012830 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MCHNun012826 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MCHNCR021559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:23 -0400 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MCH4Dq030411 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:17:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3D375CC71 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4332A09A.8060206@ctrust.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:16:26 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Based Time Tracking References: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC3027E2B@postman2.pboa.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.564, required 6, AWL 0.56) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net mark@bish.net wrote: > On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, Jeffrey Kroll wrote: > >> mark@bish.net wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have any experience with such a product/program. I am >>> looking for recommendations good or bad. >> >> >> Tons of them out there... PHProjekt and dotproject just two of the ones >> I can think of off the top of my head >> I have tested dotproject in a non production envrionment and believe >> that it would be a good time management web based asset. > > > Yeah, I saw that on my google search which is why I am asking people > so that I can narrow down my search. I don't want to spend a lot of > time trying something out to not have it work well. > >> >> >> Here's a MUCH longer list >> >> http://proj.chbs.dk/ >> > > Thanks for the list. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. I've used PHProjekt, and several others. The one I've come to like the best is eGroupware. It seems to have about everything I need. The code is a bit messy if you plan on editing anything, but its not impossible. The interface is nice and clean, projects can be laid out properly. I've been using is for about 8 months now and its been very nice to have around. I'm not sure what I'd do without it. As for Projekt. Its simple, a bit crude, and mostly in German, but it works. There are a number of things you can't easily do like change the way it sorts, and the priorities are backwards for us lazy Americans. It might be worth a try. One of the nice things about projekt is a 5 year old could set it up in about 20 minutes. My recommendation is to have a good look at eGroupware. It took a bit of getting used to but once I did, it works very well. Keep in mind that opinions are like *** holes... everyone has one, they all stink, and no one like hearing anyone's beside their own. -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 13:12:05 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHC5wQ015051 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:12:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8MHC5fD015050 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHC5Pa015046 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHC5Q5007604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:12:05 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHBfnS005990 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:11:41 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so294144nzf for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=b4ikShVAqriyD5O/G3GgTqUktCrACHU/e00ZhO0jHPHsJfpOnr9RF3+iDH3pFKxuJkfZGT1HRHoU8PZQcEIKeF4DcS9SGojNeCUa/Ds/F1pbxNqsNHL8pb8tk/Wv2yCO7L9cE4JAaCO+aRnYFaXeSXy3tlPY5Uhu4CjoyW1+9mQ= Received: by 10.54.81.13 with SMTP id e13mr3108357wrb; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.139.3 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:11:40 -0400 From: Alex Harris To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] nfs client listing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.654, required 6, AWL 0.35, BAYES_00 -4.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8MHC5Pa015047 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net is there a way (when you're on the nfs server), to get a listing of machines that have mounted your nfs share? 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 13:28:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHSuBT015230 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:28:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8MHSuE0015229 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:28:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHSuGd015225 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:28:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHSsaU008689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:28:56 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHSTKe018697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:28:31 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8MHRbrq013245 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:27:37 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j8MHRbSo013244; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:27:37 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.206 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41285.12.43.115.206.1127410057.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] nfs client listing From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.156, required 6, AWL -1.37, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > is there a way (when you're on the nfs server), to get a listing of > machines that have mounted your nfs share? (This is for scripting > purposes). > Need to "show mounts"? :D Try the "showmount" command. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 13:36:36 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHaa7G015280 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:36:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8MHaZxC015279 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:36:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHaZjm015275 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:36:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHaZsU009063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:36:35 -0400 Received: from mail.scottylogan.com (scottylogan.propagation.net [69.13.72.199]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MHa9C2007334 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:36:09 -0400 Received: from [158.130.242.227] (dhcp-242-227.meeting.internet2.edu [158.130.242.227]) by mail.scottylogan.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E986736D40 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:20:49 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Scotty Logan Subject: Re: [SLUG] nfs client listing Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:36:00 -0400 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sep 22, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Alex Harris wrote: > is there a way (when you're on the nfs server), to get a listing of > machines that have mounted your nfs share? (This is for scripting > purposes). showmount -a Scotty -- Scotty Logan Never take life seriously, Nobody gets out alive anyway ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 19:50:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MNolW2018196 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:50:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8MNolBp018195 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:50:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MNoknu018191 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:50:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8MNoka4030213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:50:46 -0400 Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8MNoKf3010054 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:50:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 22353 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2005 23:50:14 -0000 Received: from user-24-96-109-222.knology.net (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (botteman@24.96.109.222) by smtp1.knology.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2005 23:50:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:50:02 -0400 From: botteman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] lost and confused Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.927, required 6, AWL -0.86, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Geez, this linux stuff is tough to figure out. Where do I find things in this system of directories? While surfing with Mozilla, I clicked on a page that requires a Java plugin, and was given an option of downloading a self-extracting java install file. I think ... 'maybe I better read the instructions for this.' They say: "Go to the plugins sub-directory under the Mozilla installation directory" In M$ windows, I can read the properties of any shortcut and find what that program is and where it is located. Now I know I can't ask you guys where the Mozilla directory is ... it varies with each distro, right? But there oughtta be a way to ask my os where it is, am I right? For that matter I ought to be able to locate the directories for just about any program, shouldn't I? How do I do that? Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 20:18:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0IMWe018422 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N0IMsk018421 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0ILpL018417 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0ILOG031955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:21 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0I139025901 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IN800B0LU60RRV1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:18:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:18:00 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused In-reply-to: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <433349B8.6030003@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.226, required 6, AWL -0.37, BAYES_44 -0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_93 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net botteman wrote: > Geez, this linux stuff is tough to figure out. Where do I find things > in this system of directories? While surfing with Mozilla, I clicked > on a page that requires a Java plugin, and was given an option of > downloading a self-extracting java install file. I think ... 'maybe I > better read the instructions for this.' > > They say: "Go to the plugins sub-directory under the Mozilla > installation directory" In M$ windows, I can read the properties of > any shortcut and find what that program is and where it is located. > Now I know I can't ask you guys where the Mozilla directory is ... it > varies with each distro, right? But there oughtta be a way to ask my > os where it is, am I right? For that matter I ought to be able to > locate the directories for just about any program, shouldn't I? How > do I do that? Hi Dave! It is *my* job to ask "lost and Confused" questions. You are stepping on my turf! Click on the "K" down in the corner where the Great Satan keeps the Start button. A menu should shoot up. Mouse up to System, then out to File System, then out to File Manager - Super User Mode. Muck around with that and you will start to see the file organization. If you have Gnome it won't have a K but there will be some control there. The file manager might be a little different in Gnome but there is one. On my system there is a mozilla directory in the root directory and it contains a number of sub directories and you eventually get to a file named something.slt. That file has your settings and messages. However: There is also a home directory for each user. There will be a mozilla folder there as well. This makes it possible for each user to set up mozilla the way he/she wants it. You may want to confine your work to your user directory and leave the root one alone. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 20:20:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0KIgs018477 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:20:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N0KIin018476 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:20:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0KIaE018472 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:20:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0KImX032073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:20:18 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0K37w001676 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:20:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.106] (3-22.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.22.3]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8N0K0Eg026454 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> References: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:21:51 -0400 Message-Id: <1127434911.6158.11.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 19:50 -0400, botteman wrote: > Geez, this linux stuff is tough to figure out. > > Where do I find things in this system of directories? > > While surfing with Mozilla, I clicked on a page that > requires a Java plugin, and was given an option of > downloading a self-extracting java install file. > > I think ... 'maybe I better read the instructions for this.' > > They say: > "Go to the plugins sub-directory under the Mozilla > installation directory" > > In M$ windows, I can read the properties of any > shortcut and find what that program is and where > it is located. > > Now I know I can't ask you guys where the Mozilla > directory is ... it varies with each distro, right? > > But there oughtta be a way to ask my os where it is, > am I right? > > For that matter I ought to be able to locate the > directories for just about any program, shouldn't I? > > How do I do that? > > Dave Dave, Which distro are you using?? Some of the members of this list are more familiar with certain distros. You're right that each is is different. One command you can use to find the executable path for a command for your distro is "which". i.e. "which mozilla" from a shell returns /opt/kde3/mozilla on my machine. But that's only the executable. The configuration files for the majority of things usually reside in /etc (most distros). Or they are kept with the program like /usr/local/foobar/etc. Mozilla's config stuff however usually resides in a hidden directory in your user home folder (/home/mbranda on my machine) named ".mozilla". Notice the preceding dot. You have to check show hidden files and folders in konqueror to view this or an "ls -la" from a command line in your home dorectory will accomplish this also. HTH. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 20:53:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0rSrQ018727 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:53:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N0rS5P018726 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:53:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0rS6W018722 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:53:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0rDek001481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:53:28 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N0qhbH026302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:52:43 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EIbnj-0001zA-13 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:52:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> References: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kfJKOOw94PqS/oct748w" Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:52:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1127436751.28644.5.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.02, required 6, AWL -0.77, BAYES_10 -0.91, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-kfJKOOw94PqS/oct748w Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 19:50 -0400, botteman wrote: > They say: > "Go to the plugins sub-directory under the Mozilla > installation directory"=20 No matter what distro you are using, this should show you the location of the plugins directory. On my Debian box, I fire up an xterm and type the following command: locate mozilla/plugins with these results: logan@cthulhu:~$ locate mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libmozsvgdec.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libnullplugin.so It tells me the plugins sub-directory is located at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. If you are using firefox, you can use this command: locate mozilla-firefox/plugins with similar results. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 21:26:37 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1Qb6b019005 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:26:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N1QbFN019004 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:26:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1QaTb019000 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:26:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1Qavo003059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:26:36 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1QD6T016064 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:26:13 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.106] (3-22.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.22.3]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8N1QBeP004777 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1127436751.28644.5.camel@cthulhu> References: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> <1127436751.28644.5.camel@cthulhu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:28:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1127438882.6176.6.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.531, required 6, AWL 1.47, BAYES_00 -4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 20:52 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 19:50 -0400, botteman wrote: > > > They say: > > "Go to the plugins sub-directory under the Mozilla > > installation directory" > > No matter what distro you are using, this should show you the location > of the plugins directory. On my Debian box, I fire up an xterm and type > the following command: > > locate mozilla/plugins > > with these results: > > logan@cthulhu:~$ locate mozilla/plugins > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libmozsvgdec.so > /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libnullplugin.so > > It tells me the plugins sub-directory is located > at /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins. If you are using firefox, you can use this > command: > > locate mozilla-firefox/plugins > > with similar results. > > Logan or add a few wildcards as my mozilla 1.7.11 has decided to have it's own sub lib dir... and of course the ones in the home dir... and then the ignore case for the dumb intercaps in MozillaFirefox. Laptop:/ # locate -i *mozilla*plugins* /home/mbranda/.mozilla/plugins /home/mbranda/.mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt /home/mbranda/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /home/mbranda/.mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.so /home/mbranda/.mozilla/plugins/mplayerplug-in.xpt /opt/mozilla/bin/add-plugins.sh /opt/mozilla/include/plugin/nsIPluginStreamInfo.h /opt/mozilla/include/plugin/nsIPluginStreamListener.h /opt/mozilla/include/plugin/nsIWindowlessPlugInstPeer.h /opt/mozilla/include/plugin/nsPluginsCID.h /opt/mozilla/lib/plugins /opt/mozilla/lib/plugins/libnptcl3.0.so /opt/mozilla/lib/plugins/libnullplugin.so /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/dmoz.gif /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/dmoz.src /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/google.gif /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/google.src /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/jeeves.gif /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/jeeves.src /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/LEO.gif /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/LEO.src /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/novell.gif /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/novell.src /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/SUSE.png /opt/mozilla/lib/searchplugins/SUSE.src /opt/mozilla/share/idl/nsIPluginStreamInfo.idl /opt/mozilla/share/idl/nsIPluginStreamListener.idl /opt/mozilla/share/idl/nsIWindowlessPlugInstPeer.idl /opt/MozillaFirefox/bin/add-plugins.sh /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/plugins /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/plugins/libnptcl3.0.so /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/plugins/libnullplugin.so /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/amazondotcom.png /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/amazondotcom.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/creativecommons.png /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/creativecommons.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/dictionary.png /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/dictionary.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/eBay.gif /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/eBay.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/google.gif /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/google.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/NovellCool.gif /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/NovellCool.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/NovellDocumentation.gif /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/NovellDocumentation.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/NovellSupport.gif /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/NovellSupport.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/SUSE.png /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/SUSE.src /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/yahoo.gif /opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/searchplugins/yahoo.src Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 21:34:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1YN34019055 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:34:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N1YNBa019054 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:34:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1YNSC019050 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:34:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1YM12003624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:34:23 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N1Y2OY030865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:34:02 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EIcRl-0002Lh-4K for slug@nks.net; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:33:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1127438882.6176.6.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> References: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> <1127436751.28644.5.camel@cthulhu> <1127438882.6176.6.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-d5rvE6IZy3YEPy+220lT" Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:33:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1127439229.28644.7.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.205, required 6, AWL -1.38, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-d5rvE6IZy3YEPy+220lT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 21:28 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 20:52 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 19:50 -0400, botteman wrote: > > > or add a few wildcards as my mozilla 1.7.11 has decided to have it's own > sub lib dir... and of course the ones in the home dir... and then the > ignore case for the dumb intercaps in MozillaFirefox. Which is why I gave precise instruction. Too much output can confuse the Linux novice. Cheers, Logan --=20 21:30:01 up 1 day, 2:01, 3 users, load average: 0.27, 0.11, 0.09 War is God's way of teaching Americans about geography. -- Ambrose Bierce ICQ: 72101412, All other IM clients: logantheclever, IRC: TheLogan #sslug = irc.shadowWorld.net Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-d5rvE6IZy3YEPy+220lT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDM1t73OecGqSbkyMRAqNjAKCmZHlVF9Goj99EM9PKTz9/8P3R9wCgwtaG idLgkkNcYkMcELNRO2tkm+M= =WQwG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-d5rvE6IZy3YEPy+220lT-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 22:07:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N27oVS019280 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:07:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N27ovK019279 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:07:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N27ojm019275 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:07:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N27nTM005286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:07:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N27YnC006722 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:07:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.106] (3-22.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.22.3]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8N27Vb6008377 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1127439229.28644.7.camel@cthulhu> References: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> <1127436751.28644.5.camel@cthulhu> <1127438882.6176.6.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> <1127439229.28644.7.camel@cthulhu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:09:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1127441362.6583.13.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 21:33 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 21:28 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 20:52 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 19:50 -0400, botteman wrote: > > > > > > or add a few wildcards as my mozilla 1.7.11 has decided to have it's own > > sub lib dir... and of course the ones in the home dir... and then the > > ignore case for the dumb intercaps in MozillaFirefox. > > > Which is why I gave precise instruction. Too much output can confuse > the Linux novice. > > Cheers, > > Logan Yes... but your precise instruction would have only returned the user path on my system due to the lib dir. If I wanted to follow directions to add a plugin system wide, your advice would still have left me and my system with no answer. Even a novice needs to know some things. A wild card and a flag to ignore case are hardly "too advanced" for a beginner to understand. These 2 very simple things could help him find his specific dir. In fact such things are frequently needed in linux as stuff really is all over the place and most commands accept these options in one way or another. I apologize about my long winded shell output. I'm sure we'll go over our band width limit as a result with all the excessive traffic we've had this week. Cheers indeed. Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 22 22:33:32 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N2XWSL019521 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:33:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N2XWZ6019520 for slug-track29; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:33:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N2XWDc019516 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:33:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N2XVYZ006840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:33:31 -0400 Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8N2XFXg030151 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:33:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 14274 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 2005 02:33:14 -0000 Received: from user-24-96-109-222.knology.net (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (botteman@24.96.109.222) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 23 Sep 2005 02:33:14 -0000 Message-ID: <4333695D.7040407@knology.net> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 22:33:01 -0400 From: botteman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused References: <4333432A.8080601@knology.net> <433349B8.6030003@acun.com> In-Reply-To: <433349B8.6030003@acun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.051, required 6, AWL -3.75, BAYES_40 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well now I've gone and done it. Distro is Debian 3.1 After K --> System --> More Applications --> File Manager - Super User and typring root password and ... the box locked up. No mouse movement, no keyboard response (Alt-Tab). Is there a Linux CtrlAltDelete magic like in windoze? Or do I just hit the reset on the front? Dave Pete Theisen wrote: > Click on the "K" down in the corner where the Great Satan keeps the > Start button. A menu should shoot up. Mouse up to System, then out to > File System, then out to File Manager - Super User Mode. Muck around > with that and you will start to see the file organization. > > Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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Click on the program that's not responding. Just don't click on the taskbar like I'm prone to doing =3D) On 9/22/05, botteman wrote: > > Well now I've gone and done it. > > Distro is Debian 3.1 > After K --> System --> More Applications --> File Manager - Super User > and typring root password and ... > the box locked up. No mouse movement, no keyboard response (Alt-Tab). > > Is there a Linux CtrlAltDelete magic like in windoze? > Or do I just hit the reset on the front? > > Dave > > > ------=_Part_11994_14758766.1127444080234 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ctrl+Alt+Esc will bring up a skull and crossbones.  Click on the program that's not responding.  Just don't click on the taskbar like I'm prone to doing =3D)

On 9/2= 2/05, botteman <botteman@knology.net> wrote:
Well now I've gone and done it.

Distro is Debian 3.1
After K --&g= t; System --> More Applications --> File Manager - Super User
and = typring root password and <enter>...
the box locked up.  = ;No mouse movement, no keyboard response (Alt-Tab).

Is there a Linux CtrlAltDelete magic like in windoze?
Or do I ju= st hit the reset on the front?

Dave



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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 03:42:33 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N7gXQf021916 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:42:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8N7gX1G021915 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:42:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N7gWlJ021911 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:42:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N7gWN4025410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:42:32 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8N7gCmu026769 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:42:12 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (253-2.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.200.2.253]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8911880C3B for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4333B158.7040109@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 03:40:08 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Looking for embedded processor help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.689, required 6, AWL -1.23, BAYES_40 -0.00, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_SUB_LOOKING_FOR 0.22) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Folks, Friend of mine who is looking for some insite wrote "Processor will have a 512K Non-volitile RAM that I need to always keep loaded with the current state of the application. My state is about 400K in size and updates about every 100 msec. On the 186/386 with no OS I simply allocated my current status registers to the memory location of the NVRAM at compile time. The problem I have with Linux is that with the virtual address space, the application CAN NOT access a physical address. I have attempted to create a JFFS RAM drive on the NVRAM and simply open, write status and close a file in this RAM space but updates going through the OS was way to slow. I really need to have a way for the application to directly use this memory without going through the OS. My last idea, which I have no idea how to do, would be to write my entire application as a device driver, and thus would have unlimited access to all physical addresses, but then again things would get ugly if the program went rogue. Any ideas???" Any clues would help. Thanks, Pete S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 11:56:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NFudkk025707 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NFud7U025706 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NFucTi025702 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NFuce7025467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:38 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NFuHRX026310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:17 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.152] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NFuG8E012483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:16 -0400 Message-ID: <433425AD.1080202@nks.net> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:56:29 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Macintosh/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for embedded processor help References: <4333B158.7040109@myraandpete.net> In-Reply-To: <4333B158.7040109@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.308, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, SARE_SUB_LOOKING_FOR 0.22) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete S. wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Friend of mine who is looking for some insite wrote "Processor will > have a 512K Non-volitile RAM that I need to always keep loaded with > the current state of the application. My state is about 400K in size > and updates about every 100 msec. On the 186/386 with no OS I simply > allocated my current status registers to the memory location of the > NVRAM at compile time. The problem I have with Linux is that with the > virtual address space, the application CAN NOT access a physical > address. I have attempted to create a JFFS RAM drive on the NVRAM and > simply open, write status and close a file in this RAM space but > updates going through the OS was way to slow. I really need to have a > way for the application to directly use this memory without going > through the OS. My last idea, which I have no idea how to do, would be > to write my entire application as a device driver, and thus would have > unlimited access to all physical addresses, but then again things > would get ugly if the program went rogue. Any ideas???" Updating NVRAM, 10 times a second... you would want something like JFFS to keep the writes from writing the same page too often. Flash NVRAM memory does have a finite number of write cycles. "A flash memory does not work like an ordinary block device; it is not possible to write twice to the same memory location without first performing a very time-expensive erase. An erase must be done on whole sector at a time and a common sector size is 64kb" As such, I think he's a bit confused about accessing the same "location" over and over again. it just isn't going to work like he thinks it will. If he needs to access a physical address, he will need to play in kernel space. User space isn't going to hack it otherwise. "Every 100 msec" is 10 times a second. Flash can be slow, very slow if you're erasing pages between each write. What I would recommend for his application would be a "live" state in RAM, followed closely by a "transaction log" of changes over time to flash to keep the state. If power is lost at any point, you've lost only the most recent state not committed as a transaction. This is effectively what JFFS is doing underneath. The directory structure is kept in RAM, and write commits are applied to a transactional log (JFFS doesn't use the buffer cache). Hope this helps. - Ian C. Blenke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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On 9/22/05, Scotty Logan wrote: > On Sep 22, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Alex Harris wrote: > > is there a way (when you're on the nfs server), to get a listing of > > machines that have mounted your nfs share? (This is for scripting > > purposes). > > showmount -a > > Scotty > > -- > Scotty Logan > Never take life seriously, Nobody gets out alive anyway > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 16:28:34 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKSYBC027753 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NKSYZi027752 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKSX22027748 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKSX2D006581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:33 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKS7Of006165 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:07 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8NKS4eQ007107 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:26:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] nfs client listing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On 9/22/05, Scotty Logan wrote: > > On Sep 22, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Alex Harris wrote: > > > is there a way (when you're on the nfs server), to get a listing of > > > machines that have mounted your nfs share? (This is for scripting > > > purposes). > > > > showmount -a > That show's what's AVAILABLE to be mounted > > What I need is a listing of WHO HAS mounted. Maybe some flavor of "netstat -A inet"? No NFS here, or I'd do more research. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII character. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." -- Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 16:37:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKb2pP027811 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:37:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NKb2Kr027810 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:37:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKb2r3027805 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:37:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKb1f4007008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:37:01 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKacf2000550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:36:40 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j8NKZovZ017245 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:35:50 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j8NKZo2R017244; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:35:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.201 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57043.12.43.115.201.1127507749.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] nfs client listing From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.049, required 6, AWL -1.16, BAYES_44 -0.00, PRIORITY_NO_NAME 1.21) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > That show's what's AVAILABLE to be mounted > > What I need is a listing of WHO HAS mounted. > man showmount showmount queries the mount daemon on a remote host for information about the state of the NFS server on that machine. With no options showmount lists the set of clients who are mounting from that host. "With no options showmount lists the set of clients who are mounting from that host." -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 16:55:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKtNcR027956 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:55:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NKtNhW027955 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:55:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKtNke027951 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:55:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKtNvl007916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:55:23 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKswNj012090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:54:59 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKswS7025641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <43346B32.6040808@nks.net> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:53:06 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] nfs client listing References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.554, required 6, AWL -0.15, BAYES_00 -4.00, J_CHICKENPOX_35 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Alex Harris wrote: >That show's what's AVAILABLE to be mounted > >What I need is a listing of WHO HAS mounted. > > From what I remember, "showmount -e" shows you the exports AVAILABLE to be mounted, and "showmount"/"showmount -a" shows who has ACTUALLY mounted (but I could be wrong, it's been a while). Showmount connects to portmap (UDP 111) and asks for the port for the "mount" RPC server, portmap responds with the port number (typically the well known port 872 bound to the listening rpc.mount daemon), showmount then connects to rpc.mount using that port and asks for a list of exports or a list of clients connected. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 16:58:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKwT5q027980 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:58:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NKwTEl027979 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:58:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKwSmB027975 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:58:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKwSMe008041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:58:28 -0400 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [67.130.100.130]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NKvqUo021939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:57:52 -0400 Received: from pool-71-100-231-19.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.100.231.19]:3439 helo=[192.168.1.101]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EIuc7-0003fz-5r for slug@nks.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:57:47 -0400 Message-ID: <43346C46.8040808@roblimo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:57:42 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050802) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] A new meeting location Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm tired of everyone always scrounging around for meeting locations. We should have a portable one that can be moved to where it's needed; Done Eating one week, Tamper the next, Brandoff another, Sorrysota after that, then St. Puttersburg, and so on. We need to pool our funds and buy one of these: http://www.airquee.co.uk/pub/ Always your bumble servant, - Robin 'Roblimo' Miller ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 17:30:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NLUKMW028254 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:30:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NLUJH8028253 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:30:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NLUJ6w028249 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:30:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NLUJFS009563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:30:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NLU36E024106 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:30:03 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8NLU0ah005150 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <033001c5c085$f42d73d0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Bob Foxworth" To: References: <43346C46.8040808@roblimo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] A new meeting location Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:30:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I'm tired of everyone always scrounging around for meeting locations. We > should have a portable one that can be moved to where it's needed; Done > Eating one week, Tamper the next, Brandoff another, Sorrysota after > that, then St. Puttersburg, and so on. > > We need to pool our funds and buy one of these: > > http://www.airquee.co.uk/pub/ > > Always your bumble servant, > > - Robin 'Roblimo' Miller We should get one of those circular modular homes from Finland (I think) that were made a couple of decades ago. They look like a flying saucer and have oval windows along the edge. There is one right now atop the Odyssey-2001 lounge on Dale Mabry. How about some of you young fellers take a trip down there, try it out for size and comfort, and report back here? :-) Wireless access may be optional though. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 18:10:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMAdIG028488 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:10:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NMAdXa028487 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:10:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMAd8G028483 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:10:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMActI011205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:10:39 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMAF5P026564 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:10:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (187-9.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.200.9.187]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01612 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: <43347C29.6010607@washpat.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:05:29 -0400 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] geek cruise.. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 18:30:22 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMUMDM028683 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:30:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NMUMbo028682 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:30:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMUL0M028678 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:30:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMULoP012435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:30:21 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NMU83p021737 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:30:08 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8NMU5ai018272 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:28:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused In-Reply-To: <4333695D.7040407@knology.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Well now I've gone and done it. > > Distro is Debian 3.1 > After K --> System --> More Applications --> File Manager - Super User > and typring root password and ... > the box locked up. No mouse movement, no keyboard response (Alt-Tab). > > Is there a Linux CtrlAltDelete magic like in windoze? ctrl-alt-f1 or -f2 or ... to switch out of X, then ctrl-alt-del. But as long as you're out of X, log in as root, then do ps -ef | grep X (I think) to find out X's PID (Process IDentifier). Mine returns (among other things) root 1926 1925 1 Aug30 ? 07:35:39 X :0 ^--owner ^--PID Then run "kill 1926" (or whatever your PID is). You can then switch back to X (using ctrl-f6 or ctrl-f7) and log in as usual. > Or do I just hit the reset on the front? Avoid it unless you're _really_ stuck. -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make a broken tyrant, into a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator [.] - George Bush Sr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 19:39:20 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNdKIm029159 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:39:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NNdKZq029158 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:39:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNdJak029154 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:39:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNdJoE015461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:39:19 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNdAh5012761 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:39:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([71.100.231.82]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INA001BAN0XJ4B0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:39:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:39:35 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] A new meeting location In-reply-to: <43346C46.8040808@roblimo.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43349237.5030604@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime References: <43346C46.8040808@roblimo.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.903, required 6, AWL -0.60, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > I'm tired of everyone always scrounging around for meeting locations. > We should have a portable one that can be moved to where it's needed; > Done Eating one week, Tamper the next, Brandoff another, Sorrysota > after that, then St. Puttersburg, and so on. > > We need to pool our funds and buy one of these: > > http://www.airquee.co.uk/pub/ > > Always your bumble servant, > > - Robin 'Roblimo' Miller > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 19:55:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNtTO9029277 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8NNtTG5029276 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNtScb029272 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNtN4M016231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:28 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8NNtBEV032630 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.100] (57-150.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.150.57]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8NNt8ah016830; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43340D37.5050406@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:12:07 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.254, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.65) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > ctrl-alt-f1 or -f2 or ... to switch out of X, then ctrl-alt-del. > > But as long as you're out of X, log in as root, then do > > ps -ef | grep X (I think) > > to find out X's PID (Process IDentifier). Mine returns (among other things) > > root 1926 1925 1 Aug30 ? 07:35:39 X :0 > ^--owner ^--PID > > Then run "kill 1926" (or whatever your PID is). You can then switch back to > X (using ctrl-f6 or ctrl-f7) and log in as usual. > > >>Or do I just hit the reset on the front? > Avoid it unless you're _really_ stuck. With Slackware, (and Mandrake 10.1) ctrl-alt-Backspace kills the X window server and startx reruns it, if you auto boot into X then it should restart automatically. -- Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 20:30:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O0Uv7l029576 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:30:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8O0Uv6X029575 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:30:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O0UuJn029571 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:30:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O0UucE018024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:30:56 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O0UalJ018439 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:30:36 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8O0UYEh007240 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:28:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] lost and confused In-Reply-To: <43340D37.5050406@tampabay.rr.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: > ctrl-alt-f1 or -f2 or ... to switch out of X, then ctrl-alt-del. > > > > But as long as you're out of X, log in as root, then do > > > > ps -ef | grep X (I think) > > > > to find out X's PID (Process IDentifier). Mine returns (among other > > things) > > > > root 1926 1925 1 Aug30 ? 07:35:39 X :0 > > ^--owner ^--PID > > > > Then run "kill 1926" (or whatever your PID is). You can then switch > > back to X (using ctrl-f6 or ctrl-f7) and log in as usual. > With Slackware, (and Mandrake 10.1) ctrl-alt-Backspace kills the X > window server and startx reruns it, if you auto boot into X then it should > restart automatically. Mine too (Xfree86 had it, Xorg inherited it); I wasn't sure but what KDE would eat that keystroke, or DontZap was set in X's config file. Yep, that'd be easier. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 23 21:31:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O1VbQI030050 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:31:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8O1VbqB030049 for slug-track29; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:31:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O1Vbgk030045 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:31:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O1VbY2021148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:31:37 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O1VPJQ006552 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:31:26 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (253-2.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.200.2.253]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E63881BC4 for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4334ABF5.3060204@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:29:25 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for embedded processor help References: <4333B158.7040109@myraandpete.net> <433425AD.1080202@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <433425AD.1080202@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.391, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, SARE_SUB_LOOKING_FOR 0.22) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Ian. Will pass on. Pete S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 00:22:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O4M84K031287 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:22:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8O4M8Iv031286 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:22:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O4M7hm031282 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:22:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8O4M7ES031156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:22:07 -0400 Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8O4LmL6028465 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:21:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 44384 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 04:21:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.41.215.52?) (calebsr2k@70.115.206.98 with plain) by smtp017.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 04:21:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4334D457.5000009@acm.org> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:21:43 -0400 From: Caleb User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] A new meeting location References: <43346C46.8040808@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <43346C46.8040808@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > I'm tired of everyone always scrounging around for meeting locations. > We should have a portable one that can be moved to where it's needed; > Done Eating one week, Tamper the next, Brandoff another, Sorrysota > after that, then St. Puttersburg, and so on. > > We need to pool our funds and buy one of these: > > http://www.airquee.co.uk/pub/ > > Always your bumble servant, > > - Robin 'Roblimo' Miller > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Robin, That is one of the best ideas I have heard of. It looks like a good possibility. Just need to get the funds. Caleb ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 08:48:23 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OCmNFL002491 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:48:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8OCmNWr002490 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:48:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OCmN0t002486 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:48:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OCmMRL026019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:48:23 -0400 Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.200]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OCm86n015728 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:48:08 -0400 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p36so245573qba for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pRKs05i5DwvN+P6cfNNkWcgCvBhIJ/CDSq/J8PsypHPBighVu+mJar9C/z6M2Nvh38TPGSvgrcmap+/grtAe3OlMFXJnrh0K7a8X5liv5o3Mnx8h3KIZT/neB0mGqnuWTyfRV2PDt4MqvyXebZsoDMbAMLHvIcE2l5VVN3+/6/k= Received: by 10.65.53.7 with SMTP id f7mr334161qbk; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.93.4 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:48:01 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Monday meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8OCmN0t002487 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Okay, sluggers. Aaron tells me he has to leave town for a few weeks. He also says that I can do whatever I want at the Monday meeting in St. Pete. For those comming to the meeting, could you please bring three (3) bottles of elmer's glue, some superglue, a jar of peanut butter, a ball of string, several pairs of pants, 30 lbs of C4, and some matches. Also a trained attack penguin would be good. Thanks, see you all Monday. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 10:47:54 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OElsG4003409 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:47:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8OElsBY003408 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:47:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OEls1q003404 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:47:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OElrC7030709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:47:54 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OElgYN029624 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:47:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([71.100.231.82]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INB0014WT39FU12@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:47:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:48:18 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43356732.5080602@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.506, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan Hardison wrote: >Okay, sluggers. Aaron tells me he has to leave town for a few weeks. >He also says that I can do whatever I want at the Monday meeting in >St. Pete. > >For those comming to the meeting, could you please bring three (3) >bottles of elmer's glue, some superglue, a jar of peanut butter, a >ball of string, several pairs of pants, 30 lbs of C4, and some >matches. Also a trained attack penguin would be good. >Thanks, see you all Monday. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > I am fresh out of C4 and my penguin attacked my wife so I blew him up. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 13:39:02 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OHd2Ab004615 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:39:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8OHd2wR004614 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:39:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OHd1ce004610 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:39:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OHd1TN004349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:39:01 -0400 Received: from aaa.dreamhost.com (aaa.dreamhost.com [64.111.107.16]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OHcex3015285 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:38:40 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-155-195.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.155.195]) by aaa.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F53114905 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:38:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <43356732.5080602@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <43356732.5080602@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509241338.35592.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.762, required 6, AWL 0.76, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 24 September 2005 10:48, Joe Brandt wrote: > > I am fresh out of C4 and my penguin attacked my wife so I blew him up. This does not sound... eh, normal. Are you sure you understand computers? : ) -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 14:56:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OIufOZ005117 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:56:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8OIufdm005116 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:56:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OIufqs005112 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:56:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OIuen1007045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:56:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OIuR0s029203 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:56:28 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.106] (3-22.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.22.3]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8OIuPah005667 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200509241338.35592.steve@szmidt.org> References: <43356732.5080602@verizon.net> <200509241338.35592.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:56:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1127588181.6003.5.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.524, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2005-09-24 at 13:38 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > On Saturday 24 September 2005 10:48, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > > > I am fresh out of C4 and my penguin attacked my wife so I blew him up. > This was a flaw in the attack penguin 1.6_beta release. Upgrade to the latest stable release and this problem will go away. > This does not sound... eh, normal. Are you sure you understand computers? : ) > Even penguins have flaws. They're just easier to understand and fix than the flaws in butterflies. ;^) He may not have fully read the attack penguin howto. This is strongly advised. Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 15:01:31 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJ1VaK005178 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:01:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8OJ1VZ9005177 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:01:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJ1V3o005173 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:01:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJ1U7U007295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:01:31 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJ16Do030368 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:01:06 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([71.100.231.82]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INC002YS4TOCOT1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:01:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:01:44 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting In-reply-to: <200509241338.35592.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4335A298.3000001@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime References: <43356732.5080602@verizon.net> <200509241338.35592.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.176, required 6, AWL -0.33, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: >On Saturday 24 September 2005 10:48, Joe Brandt wrote: > > >>I am fresh out of C4 and my penguin attacked my wife so I blew him up. >> > >This does not sound... eh, normal. Are you sure you understand computers? : ) > > I am happy to report that I have NEVER been called normal. Does anyone really understand computers or women? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 15:11:44 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJBi9m005239 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:11:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8OJBiPG005238 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:11:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJBhkX005234 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:11:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJBhFE007814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:11:43 -0400 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OJBXaA025812 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:11:34 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-155-195.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.155.195]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D4B12DA03 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:11:32 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:11:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200509241338.35592.steve@szmidt.org> <1127588181.6003.5.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> In-Reply-To: <1127588181.6003.5.camel@DaddyLaptop.site> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509241511.31385.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.539, required 6, AWL -0.64, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 24 September 2005 14:56, Mike Branda wrote: > On Sat, 2005-09-24 at 13:38 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Saturday 24 September 2005 10:48, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > I am fresh out of C4 and my penguin attacked my wife so I blew him up. > > This was a flaw in the attack penguin 1.6_beta release. Upgrade to the > latest stable release and this problem will go away. > > > This does not sound... eh, normal. Are you sure you understand computers? > > : ) > > Even penguins have flaws. They're just easier to understand and fix > than the flaws in butterflies. ;^) He may not have fully read the > attack penguin howto. This is strongly advised. Oops! Sorry grandma! -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Sep 24 16:01:06 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OK16lN005608 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:01:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8OK16hL005607 for slug-track29; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:01:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OK15Qn005603 for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:01:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OK10TD010957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:01:05 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8OK0kL4002572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:00:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 26096 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2005 15:00:38 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 15:00:38 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DA62D11EF51; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:47:29 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting Message-ID: <20050924194729.GO25277@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: Slug List References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 08:48:01AM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > Okay, sluggers. Aaron tells me he has to leave town for a few weeks. > He also says that I can do whatever I want at the Monday meeting in > St. Pete. > > For those comming to the meeting, could you please bring three (3) > bottles of elmer's glue, some superglue, a jar of peanut butter, a > ball of string, several pairs of pants, 30 lbs of C4, and some > matches. Also a trained attack penguin would be good. > Thanks, see you all Monday. All right, as the head of SLUG, I have to step in here and stop this nonsense. We can't have people running around doing whatever they like in the name of SLUG. I could have damaging repercussions. With that in mind, I decree that no-- absolutely no-- peanut butter is allowed. If you like, you may substitute jelly or jam. But no peanut butter. ;-} Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 25 22:06:14 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q26EJi018682 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:06:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8Q26EWc018681 for slug-track29; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:06:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q26El6018677 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:06:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q26Ds8001471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:06:14 -0400 Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.192]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q25uCU014042 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:05:57 -0400 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p36so364703qba for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:05:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VD3axUelkG4Otwu3PhBRUF7IimvILoZYnnjsygJa6HYVJvlrkwr0kOl5Xe3iAlFjkvgu7dMgPL9C5nnFQQf+GMCSKfV8frze4RoikggXciIbCDvrRkm+T0b4U3/8J6NvwNtskOCaH4mMjMbduyxYMlnVZ0y/PPOpAsbRSzXjx+0= Received: by 10.65.156.1 with SMTP id i1mr498672qbo; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.93.4 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:05:53 -0400 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting In-Reply-To: <20050924194729.GO25277@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050924194729.GO25277@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4, required 6, BAYES_00 -4.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8Q26El6018678 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 9/24/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 08:48:01AM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > > Okay, sluggers. Aaron tells me he has to leave town for a few weeks. > > He also says that I can do whatever I want at the Monday meeting in > > St. Pete. > > > > For those comming to the meeting, could you please bring three (3) > > bottles of elmer's glue, some superglue, a jar of peanut butter, a > > ball of string, several pairs of pants, 30 lbs of C4, and some > > matches. Also a trained attack penguin would be good. > > Thanks, see you all Monday. > > All right, as the head of SLUG, I have to step in here and stop this > nonsense. We can't have people running around doing whatever they like > in the name of SLUG. I could have damaging repercussions. > > With that in mind, I decree that no-- absolutely no-- peanut butter is > allowed. If you like, you may substitute jelly or jam. But no peanut > butter. I see. Alrighty, jam it is. But I'll need some garlic, otherwise the jam won't be stable at higher temperatures. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Sep 25 23:06:09 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q369Cq019137 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:06:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8Q369P6019136 for slug-track29; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:06:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q369ba019132 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:06:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q368kU005523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:06:09 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q35nk0024018 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:05:50 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8Q35lb7016772 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monday meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On 9/24/05, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2005 at 08:48:01AM -0400, Dylan Hardison wrote: > > > > > Okay, sluggers. Aaron tells me he has to leave town for a few weeks. > > > He also says that I can do whatever I want at the Monday meeting in > > > St. Pete. > > > > > > For those comming to the meeting, could you please bring three (3) > > > bottles of elmer's glue, some superglue, a jar of peanut butter, a > > > ball of string, several pairs of pants, 30 lbs of C4, and some > > > matches. Also a trained attack penguin would be good. > > > Thanks, see you all Monday. > > > > All right, as the head of SLUG, I have to step in here and stop this > > nonsense. We can't have people running around doing whatever they like > > in the name of SLUG. I could have damaging repercussions. > > > > With that in mind, I decree that no-- absolutely no-- peanut butter is > > allowed. If you like, you may substitute jelly or jam. But no peanut > > butter. > > I see. Alrighty, jam it is. But I'll need some garlic, otherwise the > jam won't be stable at higher temperatures. Does yours decompose explosively? That could put you in a real jam... -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 01:31:00 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q5V09R020244 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:31:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8Q5V05M020243 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:31:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q5Ux02020239 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:30:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q5Uwg8015887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:30:59 -0400 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8Q5UiAW028958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:30:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 19487 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2005 00:30:35 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-149-205.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO hobbes.mars.lan) (71.99.149.205) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 2005 00:30:35 -0500 Received: by hobbes.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 93E0E11EF51; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:21:24 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20050926052124.93E0E11EF51@hobbes.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (paulf) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.837, required 6, AWL 2.16, BAYES_00 -4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 26 September 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) J. J. Rohrer Sterling Square 600 First Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://maps.google.com/maps?q=600+First+Ave+N,+Saint+Petersburg,+FL&spn=0.017456,0.027210&hl=en for map. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 1 October 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 6 October 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 8 October 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 11 October 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 18 October 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Latitude 23.5 Coffee Shop 2820 Clark Rd (Swift/Tuttle and Clark) Sarasota, FL 34231 See http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=2820+Clark+Rd,+Sarasota,+FL+34231 for a map. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 09:50:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QDooYV024253 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QDooEY024252 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QDooqb024248 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QDonxs019071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:50 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QDoU65032229 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INF002SJFS5D467@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:50:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:17 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=4.153, required 6, AWL 0.57, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the boxes but I knwo what is in there. 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install 80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install 20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM servers running PPC) Livecd+install Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to get rid of them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 10:07:04 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QE74nR024393 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:07:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QE74G6024392 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:07:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QE7357024388 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:07:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QE73Y4020196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:07:03 -0400 Received: from postman2.pboa.com (bdsl.66.12.253.246.gte.net [66.12.253.246]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QE6aXH003951 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:06:36 -0400 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC317C3AF@postman2.pboa.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs thread-index: AcXCon7J7WJ+DmRSQXmcIsWybjlVSgAAGJ0g From: "Jeffrey Kroll" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.676, required 6, AWL 0.68, BAYES_20 -1.43, TW_KN 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8QE7357024389 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----Original Message----- From: Robert Snyder [mailto:res03q8w@gte.net] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:50 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the boxes but I knwo what is in there. 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install 80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install 20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM servers running PPC) Livecd+install Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to get rid of them. -- I'll take one (x86)! =P ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 11:11:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFBwm0024845 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:11:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QFBwO3024844 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:11:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFBv1K024840 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFBvP5024551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:11:57 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f12.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.101]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFBJUY029152 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:11:19 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:11:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.61.95 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:11:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.61.95] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:11:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2005 15:11:14.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[898E6060:01C5C2AC] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.352, required 6, AWL -1.13, BAYES_44 -0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.70, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Robert Snyder >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:17 -0400 > >Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for >Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the >boxes but I knwo what is in there. > >500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install >80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install >20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM servers >running PPC) Livecd+install > > >Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to get rid >of them. I would really like to do something similiar to SFD either at MOSI again or somewhere else around Tampa within the next few months. Those discs would come in very handy :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 11:51:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFpJ65025140 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:51:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QFpJi7025139 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:51:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFpJ6a025135 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:51:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFpJ3u027367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:51:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFouLm024089 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:50:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8QForb6001287 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:50:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SUSE 9.3 & Epson Scanner Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:52:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509261152.54191.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.453, required 6, AWL -0.45, BAYES_40 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have an Epson Perfection 2450 Photo scanner. It works on this hardware in XANDROS 2.0. Same hardware but with SUSE 9.3 Pro I can not get a successful install. SUSE 9.3 sees the scanner. It shows up in usbview. When I run YAST hardware, click on scanner, it shows an Epson scanner there. I go to configure it, the database includes the exact model I have and says every feature should work. I tell it to go and it never finishes configuring it. I have given it more than 1/2 hour and it never finishes it. Has anyone successfully installed an Epson Perfection 2450 Photo scanner using USB in SUSE 9.3 Pro? I have tried it with and without the ISCAN drivers. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 11:58:29 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFwT9B025198 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QFwT8G025197 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFwTkw025193 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFwT0k027780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:29 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QFw5AC024478 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:06 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8QFw3Eg006269 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Non SUSE RPM's with YAST Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:00:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509261200.04823.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.158, required 6, AWL 0.37, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Can YAST be used to install non-SUSE RPM's to 9.3 PRO? YAST looks for a secure signature before it installs packages. When I DL'd the new OPERA and tried to install it, I get error loading package list. Yast appears to be set up to only install packages from Novell SUSE. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 12:48:17 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QGmHrT025593 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:48:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QGmHxY025592 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:48:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QGmHOc025588 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:48:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QGmCbX030816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:48:17 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QGlpIB024699 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:47:51 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8QGlnb7019157 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:46:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] scanner Q Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Has anyone successfully installed an Epson Perfection 2450 Photo scanner > using USB in SUSE 9.3 Pro? I have tried it with and without the ISCAN > drivers. On a semi-related scanner note, I have (at my disposal) a "Microtek Scanmaker II" SCSI scanner, 300dpi, 3-pass color. I also have a SCSI card: 00:0c.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D / AIC-7881U (rev 01) Subsystem: Adaptec AHA-2940UW SCSI Host Adapter Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV+ VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- [disabled] [size=64K] Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 1 Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- http://scsi4me.com/?pid=3353&display=AHA-2940UW.htm The scanner has two Centronics 50 ports on the back. I can get a HD 68->Centronics 50 cable from eBay, but it'll probably cost me more than the card is worth. Right now, the scanner's on a(n old) Mac. I can scan & edit (s l o w l y) the images there using Photoshop (not LE) and scp them to my machine. Is there any advantage to be gained by making it work here (other than stability of the scanner driver, and eventual failure and non-replacement of the Mac)? Does anyone know where I can get a 68->50 cable (relatively) cheaply? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 13:01:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QH1jNQ025702 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:01:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QH1j4f025701 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:01:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QH1jch025697 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:01:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QH1ioP031536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:01:45 -0400 Received: from mybox.mydomain.com (64-207-204-23.ips.mynethost.com [64.207.204.23] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QH1Ho3004980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:01:18 -0400 Received: from [192.216.210.79] (helo=D94ZB121) by mybox.mydomain.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1EJwL8-0004QY-5z for slug@nks.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:00:30 -0400 From: "jhaydon" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Non SUSE RPM's with YAST Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:27:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c5c2e9$8727ace0$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <200509261200.04823.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.123, required 6, AWL -0.81, BAYES_44 -0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 1.93) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Why not use rpm? They show up Yast's database after being installed. James Haydon Systems Analyst The J.M. Stewart Corporation stewartsigns.com -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Richard Smoot Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:00 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Non SUSE RPM's with YAST Can YAST be used to install non-SUSE RPM's to 9.3 PRO? YAST looks for a secure signature before it installs packages. When I DL'd the new OPERA and tried to install it, I get error loading package list. Yast appears to be set up to only install packages from Novell SUSE. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 13:13:50 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QHDoIT025764 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QHDok9025763 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QHDoPf025759 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QHDn74032098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:50 -0400 Received: from lucius.provo.novell.com (lucius.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.172]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QHDWYV018685 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:13:32 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV1-MTA by lucius.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:13:26 -0600 Message-Id: <4337F3E7.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:13:11 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Non SUSE RPM's with YAST References: <200509261200.04823.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <000701c5c2e9$8727ace0$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: <000701c5c2e9$8727ace0$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-2.687, required 6, AWL 1.31, BAYES_00 -4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Richard Smoot > Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:00 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Non SUSE RPM's with YAST > > Can YAST be used to install non- SUSE RPM's to 9.3 PRO? > YAST looks for a secure signature before it installs packages. > When I DL'd the new OPERA and tried to install it, I get > error loading package list. Yast appears to be set up to only > install packages from Novell SUSE. > You are correct....use a package manager like kpackage or simply rpm to install 'em. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 13:31:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QHVAO8025944 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:31:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QHVAIl025943 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:31:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QHVAwV025939 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:31:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QHV9Yj000882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:31:10 -0400 Received: from web54107.mail.yahoo.com (web54107.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.37.242]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id j8QHUVYZ030538 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:30:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 43601 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Sep 2005 17:30:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BAOOpMytR6PHEZrLtMoDTiJw0bKBm1hAYli+s3myN48Wu/dvpjCnIEXXU7sbNPrYGDWY8PqBAeMsKj5SyApcuSaej1WvEeEefc5o/4jdYE438O7P3PW54sJ+koNUe0cEiy9qM1AFcNC7ZnCVAvHV7lERxrBXueHT88oYVOnGpDM= ; Message-ID: <20050926173030.43599.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.174.185.223] by web54107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:30:30 PDT Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Barber Subject: Re: [SLUG] scanner Q To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.11, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_40 -0.00, SARE_SUB_LETTER_1 0.69) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 8 bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/New-6-SCSI-cable-Centronics-50-HD68-68-pin-adapter-USA_W0QQitemZ5245566848QQcategoryZ42160QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 5 bucks shipping, so 13 bucks total. Or I personally can recommend these guys. http://www.cablewholesale.com/catalog/scsiiiicables.htm Pricier, though: $19. Either way, you'll probably need a terminator on the scanner's SCSI out, and make sure the card is switched to terminate the high pins since the Centronics terminator won't terminate them and the cable doesn't terminate them either. Andrew Barber > Does anyone know where > I can get a 68->50 > cable (relatively) cheaply? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm > home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 16:45:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKjLmT027435 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:45:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QKjLRG027434 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:45:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKjLu3027430 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:45:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKjKeR012731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:45:21 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKix54025170 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:44:59 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8QKivai027073 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:43:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] scanner Q In-Reply-To: <20050926173030.43599.qmail@web54107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: on some unspecified date (9/26/2005 IIRC), Eben King wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get a 68->50 cable (relatively) cheaply? > 8 bucks. > http://cgi.ebay.com/New-6-SCSI-cable-Centronics-50-HD68-68-pin-adapter-USA_W0QQitemZ5245566848QQcategoryZ42160QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > 5 bucks shipping, so 13 bucks total. > > > Or I personally can recommend these guys. > http://www.cablewholesale.com/catalog/scsiiiicables.htm > > Pricier, though: $19. OK, the hardware is feasible. Have you (or anyone else) dealt with a scanner of that vintage? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 16:54:08 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKs8FL027496 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:54:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QKs894027495 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:54:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKs8kq027491 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:54:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKs79v013304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:54:07 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QKrmNj009595 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:53:48 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.16] ([71.100.231.82]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INF00H8QZDNO5K1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:53:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:54:34 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-reply-to: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4338600A.6060402@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime References: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.583, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: > Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered > for Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not > opened the boxes but I knwo what is in there. > > 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install > 80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install > 20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM > servers running PPC) Livecd+install > > > Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to > get rid of them. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > I will take a hand full at the next Manasota meeting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 17:07:46 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QL7jWm027583 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:07:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8QL7jr9027582 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QL7jvc027578 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QL7ian014143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from rs16.luxsci.com (rs16.luxsci.com [64.49.254.58]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8QL7VAC000642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:07:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (tamqfl1-ar3-177-026.biz.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.177.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by rs16.luxsci.com (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8QL7RSL003923 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:07:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE 9.3 & Epson Scanner From: Eric Jahn To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200509261152.54191.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200509261152.54191.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-QLWGw8lsANGp/XFrM8F7" Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:07:20 -0400 Message-Id: <1127768840.12200.13.camel@meteorite.ejahn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-3.824, required 6, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-QLWGw8lsANGp/XFrM8F7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2005-09-26 at 11:52 -0400, Richard Smoot wrote: > I have an Epson Perfection 2450 Photo scanner. It works on this hardware > in XANDROS 2.0. > Same hardware but with SUSE 9.3 Pro I can not get a successful install. > SUSE 9.3 sees the scanner. It shows up in usbview. > When I run YAST hardware, click on scanner, it shows an Epson scanner > there. I go to configure it, the database includes the exact model I have > and says every feature should work. I tell it to go and it never finishes > configuring it. I have given it more than 1/2 hour and it never finishes = it. > Has anyone successfully installed an Epson Perfection 2450 Photo scanner > using USB in SUSE 9.3 Pro? > I have tried it with and without the ISCAN drivers. Just configure the /etc/.../epson.conf files by hand. Perfection 2450 usb device numbers are: Vendor: 04b8 Product:0x0112 So add a line to epson.conf: usb 0x04b8 0x0112. =20 -Eric --=-QLWGw8lsANGp/XFrM8F7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDOGMHVnvthVFGjRERAutDAJ9KJE7gT5hxnsk/rEzinN0ZZDsAvwCeI0a1 ak4DNHRcqpT0bQ3un//YNBg= =VxCO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-QLWGw8lsANGp/XFrM8F7-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 20:53:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R0rl8l029419 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8R0rlhf029418 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R0rlJL029414 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R0rk79027099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:47 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R0rPYR013779 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.40] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0ING00DT6AGWR7I2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:53:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:53:24 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-reply-to: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43389804.1000007@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.049, required 6, AWL -0.03, BAYES_44 -0.00, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: > Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for > Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the > boxes but I knwo what is in there. > > 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install > 80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install > 20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM servers > running PPC) Livecd+install > > > Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to get > rid of them. Hi Wee Robbie! May as well bring a few to the meeting. You could also try the SPCUG meeting (1st Wednesday each month, SRQ middle school, Ashton near McIntosh, 5:30P - 9P) but you have to bring back anything people don't pick up. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 21:17:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1HoJQ029628 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:17:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8R1HowD029627 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:17:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1Ho01029623 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:17:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1Hoc4028581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:17:50 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1HX8R023796 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:17:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0ING005P1BL3P4L7@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:17:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:17:13 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-reply-to: <43389804.1000007@acun.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43389D99.7060702@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> <43389804.1000007@acun.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.89, required 6, AWL -0.69, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There are people there i simply do not get along with they are very pro microsoft and if I wanted a steady stream of abuse i would seek it from in my own social circles. Pete Theisen wrote: > Robert Snyder wrote: > >> Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered >> for Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not >> opened the boxes but I knwo what is in there. >> >> 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install >> 80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install >> 20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM >> servers running PPC) Livecd+install >> >> >> Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to >> get rid of them. > > > Hi Wee Robbie! > > May as well bring a few to the meeting. You could also try the SPCUG > meeting (1st Wednesday each month, SRQ middle school, Ashton near > McIntosh, 5:30P - 9P) but you have to bring back anything people don't > pick up. > > Regards, > > Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 21:50:41 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1ofie029881 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8R1of6K029880 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1of0N029876 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1ofcr030643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:41 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R1oXTK018845 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.100] (57-150.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.150.57]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8R1oTah016562; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4337FB3A.5010308@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:44:26 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs References: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> <43389804.1000007@acun.com> <43389D99.7060702@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <43389D99.7060702@gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=2.237, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 0.75, WORK_AT_HOME 2.40) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > There are people there i simply do not get along with they are very pro > microsoft and if I wanted a steady stream of abuse i would seek it from > in my own social circles. When anyone mentions LINUX as being not as good as M$ I tell them: I have tried both and LINUX works correctly and M$ is broken. I am stuck having to use Win 2000 PRO at work, but at home I get to use LINUX. -- Ron ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Sep 26 22:14:10 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R2EADQ030023 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:14:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8R2EADi030022 for slug-track29; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:14:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R2EAo0030018 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:14:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R2EA7V032085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:14:10 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8R2E1Y9027966 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:14:01 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8R2Dwb6027278 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0b4101c5c309$1eebf7b0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Bob Foxworth" To: References: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> <43389804.1000007@acun.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:13:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.206, required 6, AWL -0.28, BAYES_44 -0.00, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Can't they be placed in all the CompUsa/BestBuy type stores? Will they accept them there? - Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Theisen" To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 20:53 Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs > Robert Snyder wrote: > > Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for > > Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the > > boxes but I knwo what is in there. > > > > 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install > > 80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install > > 20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM servers > > running PPC) Livecd+install > > > > > > Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to get > > rid of them. > > Hi Wee Robbie! > > May as well bring a few to the meeting. You could also try the SPCUG > meeting (1st Wednesday each month, SRQ middle school, Ashton near > McIntosh, 5:30P - 9P) but you have to bring back anything people don't > pick up. > > Regards, > > Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Sep 27 07:34:16 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay19-f3.bay19.hotmail.com [64.4.53.53]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8RBYFDL001971 for ; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:34:15 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:34:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 81.199.84.156 by by19fd.bay19.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:34:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [81.199.84.156] X-Originating-Email: [williams_g200@hotmail.com] X-Sender: williams_g200@hotmail.com Reply-To: usenwilliams@uymail.com From: "williams gene" Bcc: Subject: Attention Dear Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:34:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2005 11:34:14.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[630C9FF0:01C5C357] Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. Usen From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 07:35:40 2005 Received: from hotmail.com (bay19-f3.bay19.hotmail.com [64.4.53.53]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TBZdl6023655 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:35:39 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 81.199.84.156 by by19fd.bay19.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:35:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [81.199.84.156] X-Originating-Email: [williams_g200@hotmail.com] X-Sender: williams_g200@hotmail.com Reply-To: usenwilliams@uymail.com From: "williams gene" Bcc: Subject: Attention Dear Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:35:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2005 11:35:38.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA2E8AF0:01C5C4E9] Dear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. UsenDear, I am barrister Williams G. Usen a solicitor at law. On the 21st of November 2002,my client, his wife and their three children were involved in a car accident along Sagbamu express road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several inquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives but this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank where this huge deposits were lodged, particularly the Marina International Merchant Bank Plc. where the deceased had an account valued at about US$14.5 million dollars. I have been issued a notice by the bank to provide the next of kin to my late client or have the account confiscated after three years if not claimed and We have just one year left. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 1 year now I seek your onsent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you are a foreigner so that the proceeds of this account valued at US$14.5 million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 65% shall be for me and 30% for you while 5% is earmarked for expenses that will be incurred during the process of transfer of the fund. I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we may make. All I require is your honest co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement thatwill protect you from any breach of the law. Please get in touch with me through my private e-mail:(usenwilliams@uymail.com) to enable us discuss further. You may also, send your phone number so that I can call you. I look forward to your urgent response. Best regards, Williams G. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 10:24:39 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TEOdfW024872 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:24:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TEOdsP024871 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:24:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TEOdFV024867 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:24:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TEOcVq007260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:24:38 -0400 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TENtUo018844 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:23:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437A875CC71 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <433BF8C3.7040105@ctrust.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:22:59 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Hello World? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=1.653, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_40 -0.00, SUB_HELLO 2.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just wanted to send a quick test message to the list. I haven't gotten anything to either of my subscribes accounts since 1013 on 26 Sept 2005.... -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 12:00:38 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG0cF5025593 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:00:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TG0c8N025592 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:00:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG0cqK025588 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:00:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG0bg8013468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:00:38 -0400 Received: from postman2.pboa.com (bdsl.66.12.253.246.gte.net [66.12.253.246]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG0CTH017791 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:00:15 -0400 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Hello World? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:00:05 -0400 Message-ID: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC317C3BA@postman2.pboa.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Hello World? thread-index: AcXFAwtuZI77D7kGT5iXweSiZf6tlQACz9kg From: "Jeffrey Kroll" To: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.394, required 6, AWL -0.49, BAYES_30 -0.90) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8TG0cqK025589 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Zeigler [mailto:craig@ctrust.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:23 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Hello World? > > I just wanted to send a quick test message to the list. I > haven't gotten anything to either of my subscribes accounts > since 1013 on 26 Sept 2005.... > > -- > Craig Zeigler > Network Administrator > Caldwell Trust Company > 201 Center Road > Venice, Florida 34292 > (941) 493-3600 > (941) 496-4660 Fax > http://www.ctrust.com I think it was something more like For C, #include main() { for(;;) { printf ("Hello World!\n"); } } Or for perl we had, print "Hello, World!\n" while (1); Just being a geek... ---- Name: Jeffrey Kroll Email: jkroll@pboa.com Phone: 941.955.0793 ext 360 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 12:01:53 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG1rPs025609 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:01:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TG1rlA025608 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:01:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG1rAs025604 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:01:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG1q0W013580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:01:52 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG1aeT008012 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:01:36 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (38-177.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.177.38]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8TG1Xah000140 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hello World? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:04:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <433BF8C3.7040105@ctrust.com> In-Reply-To: <433BF8C3.7040105@ctrust.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509291204.27410.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.904, required 6, BAYES_30 -0.90) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 29 September 2005 10:22, Craig Zeigler wrote: > I just wanted to send a quick test message to the list. I haven't gotten > anything to either of my subscribes accounts since 1013 on 26 Sept 2005.... I see your test. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 12:02:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG2i5N025625 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:02:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TG2icw025624 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:02:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG2iRe025620 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:02:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG2iLN013648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:02:44 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG2Sjx009688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:02:28 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.152] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TG2R3U032352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:02:28 -0400 Message-ID: <433C1029.8050402@nks.net> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:02:49 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Macintosh/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hello World? References: <433BF8C3.7040105@ctrust.com> In-Reply-To: <433BF8C3.7040105@ctrust.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-2.25, required 6, AWL -0.73, BAYES_01 -1.52) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Craig Zeigler wrote: > I just wanted to send a quick test message to the list. I haven't > gotten anything to either of my subscribes accounts since 1013 on 26 > Sept 2005.... A great way to see if mail hasn't arrived in a couple of days is to check the SLUG archives: http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/slug.archive.0509/#end Aside from a couple of spam messages that were filtered, the last barrage of email was on the 26th. The SLUG list can be bursty sometimes, and downright dead others. Test messages usually just serve to irritate people on the list. Mail is flowing. To keep with the spirit of the list, I'll ask a question: Anyone else actively developing Ruby on Rails applications in the area? - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 12:44:47 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGildK025994 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:44:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TGilEo025993 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:44:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGilsD025989 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:44:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGikBw016251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:44:46 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGiPCf012064 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:44:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INL00CXO7RD0F00@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:42:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:42:27 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hello World? In-reply-to: <433C1029.8050402@nks.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <433C1973.2060108@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <433BF8C3.7040105@ctrust.com> <433C1029.8050402@nks.net> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.439, required 6, AWL -0.07, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian C. Blenke wrote: > Craig Zeigler wrote: > >> I just wanted to send a quick test message to the list. I haven't >> gotten anything to either of my subscribes accounts since 1013 on 26 >> Sept 2005.... > > A great way to see if mail hasn't arrived in a couple of days is to > check the SLUG archives: > > http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/slug.archive.0509/#end > > Aside from a couple of spam messages that were filtered, the last > barrage of email was on the 26th. > > The SLUG list can be bursty sometimes, and downright dead others. Test > messages usually just serve to irritate people on the list. > They can deal with it. > Mail is flowing. > > To keep with the spirit of the list, I'll ask a question: Anyone else > actively developing Ruby on Rails applications in the area? > I am just starting to pick up ruby on rails, but what I read I have been very impress on how flexiable it is as a web app platform. > - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 12:51:49 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGpmLs026038 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TGpm3J026037 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGpmjO026033 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGpmNG016565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:48 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TGpWkr016848 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:33 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j8TGpUEg029918 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c4f01c5c516$0a6ec0b0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Bob Foxworth" To: References: <433BF8C3.7040105@ctrust.com> <433C1029.8050402@nks.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hello World? Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:51:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.072, required 6, AWL 0.07) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > The SLUG list can be bursty sometimes, and downright dead others. Test > messages usually just serve to irritate people on the list. Test messages without any indication of when they were sent, are particularly useless. > Mail is flowing. > > To keep with the spirit of the list, I'll ask a question: Anyone else > actively developing Ruby on Rails applications in the area? > > - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com Pat is pretty interested in this as well. She is in class on Tuesday evening, in fact. If the meeting ever goes back to Wednesday, she might be able to attend a Slug meeting. - Bob 1251 edt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 14:45:52 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TIjq50026932 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:45:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TIjqK1026931 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:45:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TIjqEa026927 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:45:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TIjqPG023769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:45:52 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TIjgeq022361 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:45:42 -0400 Received: from Paulie ([71.98.150.168]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INL00CZFDG10NG0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:45:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:45:44 -0400 From: "Paul" Subject: RE: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-reply-to: <4337FC99.6000605@gte.net> To: Message-id: <0INL00CZIDG20NG0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcXCoxnns2B761ovQEG3wHzoyBClwgCgmIZg X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.447, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I would like 3 of those Ubuntu 5.04 one for myself 2 for my friends that are interested... let me know how you want to get them to me, or if you will be at any of the SLUG meetings (the x86 version please) Thanks P -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:50 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the boxes but I knwo what is in there. 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install 80 x86-64 ubuntu packs Livecd +install 20 PPC (mac+chrip complaint motherboards like Amiga One and IBM servers running PPC) Livecd+install Theses Must go!!! I will be posting this in other places to try to get rid of them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 15:09:21 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJ9LmC027111 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TJ9LRe027110 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJ9L7w027106 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJ9K50025487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:21 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJ94r9027763 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:04 -0400 Received: from gibson (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8TJ91Eg020752 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.11.8]); Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: <433C3BCF.7020807@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:09:03 -0400 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hello World? References: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC317C3BA@postman2.pboa.com> In-Reply-To: <38C79B92F0095746BF29AF7CA7E20AC317C3BA@postman2.pboa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.957, required 6, AWL 2.04, BAYES_00 -4.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jeffrey Kroll wrote: >#include > >main() >{ > for(;;) > { > printf ("Hello World!\n"); > } >} > >Or for perl we had, > >print "Hello, World!\n" while (1); > > > >Just being a geek... > > > Or.... public class HelloWorld { public HelloWorld() { } public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello World!"); } } Just being a Java Geek.... :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 15:28:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJSS5v027308 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:28:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TJSSSa027307 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:28:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJSRGk027303 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:28:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJSRJM026682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:28:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TJS3cs022945 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:28:03 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8TJS0Eh006521 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:26:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-Reply-To: <0INL00CZIDG20NG0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for > Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the > boxes but I knwo what is in there. > > 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install I would like one. Will any be at the Brandon meeting next week? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 16:27:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TKRCjU027774 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8TKRCkI027773 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TKRCNi027769 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TKRBFL030445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:27:12 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8TKQfbv000695 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:26:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INL00FHHI4HCZQ0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:26:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:26:19 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <433C4DEB.1020003@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.375, required 6, AWL -0.21, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: >Robert Snyder wrote on Monday, September 26, 2005, at 8:50 AM: > > > >>Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for >>Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the >>boxes but I knwo what is in there. >> >>500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install >> >> > >I would like one. Will any be at the Brandon meeting next week? > > > I have some free postage coming my way via stamps.com so I think I will get ahold of who ever runs each local meeting and setup a palce to send some of these cds. Though the nice thing is I have already giving away 20 CD sets to people who have nevered tried linux yet . very exciting. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Sep 29 21:06:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U16vn2029820 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:06:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8U16v64029819 for slug-track29; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:06:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U16vZS029815 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:06:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U16vs4013994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:06:57 -0400 Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U16bl2013912 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:06:37 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=JTz/UZLLH1nqsISPwschymOGvuU7L49oWNgjCXFlyH2uLCb8RzpqC4CJdnQaqOOq; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [24.144.115.91] (helo=blackngold) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EL9MB-0001dT-5Y for slug@nks.net; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:06:35 -0400 Message-ID: <006c01c5c55b$38071050$6701a8c0@blackngold> From: To: References: Subject: Re: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:06:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4da7325adb4883014901dd9aa696eb5095350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.115.91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.028, required 6, BAYES_10 -0.91, NO_REAL_NAME 0.16, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, TW_KN 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net YES Bill Preece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eben King" To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs > Robert Snyder wrote on Monday, September 26, 2005, at 8:50 AM: > >> Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for >> Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened the >> boxes but I knwo what is in there. >> >> 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install > > I would like one. Will any be at the Brandon meeting next week? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. > Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com > http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 00:17:57 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U4HveP031324 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:17:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8U4Hvj9031323 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:17:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U4HvJ9031319 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:17:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U4Hgv1028194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:17:57 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8U4HPvd031690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:17:26 -0400 Received: from pcp03976928pcs.sarast01.fl.comcast.net ([68.56.85.216] ident=logan) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1ELCKY-0000k8-BN for slug@nks.net; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:17:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <006c01c5c55b$38071050$6701a8c0@blackngold> References: <006c01c5c55b$38071050$6701a8c0@blackngold> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-C82221MABQ6KVX2UMMfy" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:17:07 -0400 Message-Id: <1128053827.4897.26.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-0.856, required 6, AWL -2.20, BAYES_20 -1.43, RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK 2.60, RCVD_IN_SORBS 0.10, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-C82221MABQ6KVX2UMMfy Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 21:06 -0400, xcalibre@mindspring.com wrote: > YES >=20 > Bill Preece Why top posting leaves everyone at a loss... No one knows why Bill has responded as such. It could be the answer to a variety of questions. =20 Now, if you like, you could read everything below and attempt to decipher how others have properly responded, but most folks are lazy, so they wont. Just exploiting an example. If you disagree with me, great. Most likely you, have been assimilated by M$ or AOL [1]. (Bet you wont see the link to [1] either!) >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Eben King" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:26 PM > Subject: RE: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs >=20 >=20 > > Robert Snyder wrote on Monday, September 26, 2005, at 8:50 AM: > > > >> Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered fo= r > >> Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not opened t= he > >> boxes but I knwo what is in there. > >> > >> 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install > > > > I would like one. Will any be at the Brandon meeting next week? > > [1]http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/un= ited_artists/invasion_of_the_body_snatchers/donald_sutherland/invasion2.jpg The Logan --=20 I'm a Marxist of the Groucho variety. ICQ: 72101412, All other IM clients: logantheclever, IRC: TheLogan #sslug = irc.shadowWorld.net Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-C82221MABQ6KVX2UMMfy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDPLxC3OecGqSbkyMRAg+AAJ9R4INHEcobB0Hsdlas8CEgSpoFSQCgwaUt LORHglWbvEgYF7DfYazqV1Y= =qKiu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-C82221MABQ6KVX2UMMfy-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 07:31:51 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBVpXm002328 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:31:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UBVprr002327 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:31:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBVoeR002323 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:31:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBVojA027662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:31:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBVbrS026502 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:31:37 -0400 Received: from rufus (182-113.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.113.182]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8UBVYb6014567 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200509301131.j8UBVYb6014567@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:31:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1128053827.4897.26.camel@cthulhu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcXFeFMMud8SifaCRA+dEsunquxknwAN96fA X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.342, required 6, AWL -1.42, BAYES_44 -0.00, TW_KN 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Interesting format you have, Logan: Wow! That is SO less confusing than either top posting, bottom posting or inline posting. >> Now, if you like, you could read everything below and attempt to decipher how others have properly responded, but most folks are lazy, so they wont. Perhaps it is not laziness, but conditioning. In all types of posting, we learn what area of the message we can skip over - a good thing from a time perspective. But if the author puts small chunks of his message where it can be overlooked, he is contributing to ineffective communication. The real solution would be an XML-like format, where the message contained the entire thread, and the viewer could choose the display mode he desired. Since this has been discussed often, and the group as a whole cannot come to agreement, I say "to each his own". Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Logan Tygart Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:17 AM To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 21:06 -0400, xcalibre@mindspring.com wrote: > YES > > Bill Preece Why top posting leaves everyone at a loss... No one knows why Bill has responded as such. It could be the answer to a variety of questions. Now, if you like, you could read everything below and attempt to decipher how others have properly responded, but most folks are lazy, so they wont. Just exploiting an example. If you disagree with me, great. Most likely you, have been assimilated by M$ or AOL [1]. (Bet you wont see the link to [1] either!) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eben King" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:26 PM > Subject: RE: [SLUG] 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs > > > > Robert Snyder wrote on Monday, September 26, 2005, at 8:50 AM: > > > >> Yes folks these are up for the taking. The ones that were ordered for > >> Software Freedom Day, that are only 16 days late. I have not > >> opened the boxes but I knwo what is in there. > >> > >> 500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install > > > > I would like one. Will any be at the Brandon meeting next week? > > [1]http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/uni ted_artists/invasion_of_the_body_snatchers/donald_sutherland/invasion2.jpg The Logan -- I'm a Marxist of the Groucho variety. ICQ: 72101412, All other IM clients: logantheclever, IRC: TheLogan #sslug irc.shadowWorld.net Registered Linux User: 277727 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 07:57:19 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBvJtj002497 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:57:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UBvJWL002496 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:57:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBvJoc002492 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:57:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBvI0d028595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:57:19 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UBv0c9006316 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:57:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050930115655.EPRW24602.centrmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:56:55 -0400 Message-ID: <433D2823.5050901@cox.net> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:57:23 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050817) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs References: <200509301131.j8UBVYb6014567@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200509301131.j8UBVYb6014567@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0.995, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS 0.99) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Don't forget to snip! You can make it really confusing then: Ken Elliott wrote: >Interesting format you have, Logan: > > > > > > >Wow! That is SO less confusing than posting. > > > >>>Now, you could read everything >>> > lazy, so they but conditioning. In all types of message we can skip over - a good thing from a time the author puts small chunks of his ineffective communication. > >The real solution would be "to each his own". > >Ken Elliott > > > > >>YES >> >>Bill Preece >> >> > > >Why top posting leaves everyone at a loss... > >No one knows Bill. It could be Bill > >Now, if you like M$ or AOL [1]. (Bet you wont see >the link to [1] either!) > > > > >> >> >>>Robert Snyder wrote on Monday, September 26, 2005, at 8:50 AM: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Yes folks these are up for what is in there. >>>> >>>>500 x86 ubuntu packs livecd+install >>>> >>>> >>>I would like one. Will any be at the Brandon meeting next week? >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 08:12:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCCCZI002594 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:12:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UCCC32002593 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:12:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCCB3g002589 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:12:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCCBI7030990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:12:11 -0400 Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.202]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCBtma029241 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:11:55 -0400 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e12so74408qba for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:11:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LZ/CqayYKRQULfzKKtzplOqQdrFP7gffiNqYY+EFXB2fwWrkxld/ZL+pmjgNl+cEhiJcTXyLYD4guQpgzzAbxCY8evOCHSwjlnq7m2FLjgKg45vlg2fAMMf8KOAGaXdhXP85fjZV854DfwDb1kEfY2IadGPgigKxq1ZeNT3lsiQ= Received: by 10.64.184.11 with SMTP id h11mr912825qbf; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.201.2 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:11:49 -0400 From: Bill Shaw To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-Reply-To: <1128053827.4897.26.camel@cthulhu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <006c01c5c55b$38071050$6701a8c0@blackngold> <1128053827.4897.26.camel@cthulhu> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.536, required 6, BAYES_01 -1.52, FH_MSGID_HUGE_40 0.12, SARE_MSGID_LONG40 0.86) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8UCCB3g002590 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm used to top posting due to years of use of using Lotus Notes and how it replies to emails. So go ahead and add IBM to the list of negative influences. > Now, if you like, you could read everything below and attempt to > decipher how others have properly responded, but most folks are lazy, so > they wont. Just exploiting an example. If you disagree with me, great. > Most likely you, have been assimilated by M$ or AOL [1]. (Bet you wont > see the link to [1] either!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 08:59:55 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCxtPp003006 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:59:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UCxtDc003005 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:59:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCxtdY003001 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:59:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCxskp001395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:59:54 -0400 Received: from mybox.mydomain.com (64-207-204-23.ips.mynethost.com [64.207.204.23] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UCxbmF002917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:59:37 -0400 Received: from [192.216.210.79] (helo=D94ZB121) by mybox.mydomain.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ELKTZ-00085P-IY for slug@nks.net; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:58:57 -0400 From: "jhaydon" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:08:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=1.932, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06 1.93) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Would that not be Ashton-Tate? I do because: 1) Outlook 2) It confuses the people at work, if I post on the bottom. (So much for trying to educate the masses.) Shrunk and White have written a book on proper email writing if we want to be that anal. James Haydon Systems Analyst The J.M. Stewart Corporation stewartsigns.com -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bill Shaw Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:12 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs I'm used to top posting due to years of use of using Lotus Notes and how it replies to emails. So go ahead and add IBM to the list of negative influences. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 09:22:28 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UDMS5r003250 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:22:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UDMSF0003249 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:22:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UDMSeu003245 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:22:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UDMSJg003002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:22:28 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UDMBGt008200 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:22:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INM008SZT4YWV40@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:22:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:21:45 -0400 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-reply-to: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <433D3BE9.3040609@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=3.455, required 6, AWL -0.05, BAYES_44 -0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 0.26, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS3 3.25) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I donly do it, when it a simple one liner like this. jhaydon wrote: >Would that not be Ashton-Tate? I do because: 1) Outlook 2) It confuses the >people at work, if I post on the bottom. (So much for trying to educate the >masses.) Shrunk and White have written a book on proper email writing if we >want to be that anal. > >James Haydon >Systems Analyst >The J.M. Stewart Corporation >stewartsigns.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bill Shaw >Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 8:12 AM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 >Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs > >I'm used to top posting due to years of use of using Lotus Notes and >how it replies to emails. So go ahead and add IBM to the list of >negative influences. > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 13:21:15 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHLFOZ005019 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:21:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UHLFWu005018 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:21:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHLFmt005014 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:21:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHLFEY020967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:21:15 -0400 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.196]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHKtU6018935 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:20:55 -0400 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so2222013nzf for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Sq+rkFypftHImjKFkR6LACzfV2CmtAogGxAgSnCwbH8NiEFsUMGtWjPtBoQrGqI+d2XONfDGjlkI8lbN/YRHHktbb+MxTyms2sMTGSNfOSEMn7HaMNMU/b35qWx5viGtyq7aEt3AWFeGEAymp2nppHPVe8eMKSYrWMTa05QLdxM= Received: by 10.36.61.12 with SMTP id j12mr5805461nza; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.159.19 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:20:52 -0400 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-Reply-To: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.844, required 6, AWL -1.83, BAYES_44 -0.00, FH_MSGID_HUGE_40 0.12, SARE_MSGID_LONG40 0.86) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id j8UHLFmt005015 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 9/30/05, jhaydon wrote: > It confuses the people at work, if I post on the bottom. (So much for trying to > educate the masses.) I very rarely top-post. It's really crappy. And I always trim the quotes. I despise mailing list emails where I get the last seventeen replies under a one-liner. "Yeah, what he said" indeed! > Shrunk and White have written a book on proper email writing if we > want to be that anal. I wonder what that book would be like. -- Dave Lowe "Peace through superior firepower." ___________________________ http://davedorm.com http://genesisfleet.com http://ussmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 13:46:07 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHk7X7005178 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:46:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UHk7uX005177 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:46:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHk7AR005173 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:46:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHk6fm022671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:46:06 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UHjvFT027282 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:45:57 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8UHjsai011408 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: On 9/30/05, jhaydon wrote: > > > Shrunk and White have written a book on proper email writing if we > > want to be that anal. > > I wonder what that book would be like. It for sure wouldn't be written backward. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 14:22:45 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIMjsl005482 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:22:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UIMjCC005481 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:22:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIMiQ9005477 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:22:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIMiOG025251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:22:44 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [207.100.76.200]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIMVFL030253 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:22:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.103] ([192.168.10.103]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11241 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:15:39 -0400 Message-ID: <433D8045.2030101@washpat.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:13:25 -0400 From: Chris Moore User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. References: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.001, required 6, BAYES_44 -0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This discussion is totally pointless. What's being discussed here is what makes the world go around, we all prefer different things. If everyone wants things their own way maybe each of you should start their own lists with your own rules about top-posting, bottom-posting, or what ever else irritates you about this list, problem solved. I'm sure your list will be the busiest out there. Is it really that big of a deal about how you have to read an email? Lifes to short to worry about such trivial matters. Most people on this list seem to be able to decipher how something is written, because if you can follow some of the code or documentation out there than this stuff is a breeze. If you're interested in a thread you should have been following it from the beginning, and at that point who cares where the reply is posted. Please let me apologize if this offends you but this seems totally irrelavant to what this list is for. For myself, I'm tired of having to delete all of this useless email that is doing nothing to solve anybodys Linux problems, which is why is subscribed. Can't we all just tolerate each other? Again let me apologize if this offended you, get over it. -- Chris Moore cmoore@washpat.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 14:40:12 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIeCxD005626 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:40:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UIeCOv005625 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:40:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIeCUT005621 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:40:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIeBjK026487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:40:12 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UIdw79014354 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:39:59 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6BEC1A24585 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <433D8045.2030101@washpat.com> References: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> <433D8045.2030101@washpat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:39:57 -0400 Message-Id: <1128105597.24364.9.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net (top and bottom posted....hehehehe ) Amen!! :^) Mike On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 14:13 -0400, Chris Moore wrote: > This discussion is totally pointless. What's being discussed here is > what makes the world go around, we all prefer different things. If > everyone wants things their own way maybe each of you should start their > own lists with your own rules about top-posting, bottom-posting, or what > ever else irritates you about this list, problem solved. I'm sure your > list will be the busiest out there. Is it really that big of a deal > about how you have to read an email? Lifes to short to worry about such > trivial matters. Most people on this list seem to be able to decipher > how something is written, because if you can follow some of the code or > documentation out there than this stuff is a breeze. If you're > interested in a thread you should have been following it from the > beginning, and at that point who cares where the reply is posted. Please > let me apologize if this offends you but this seems totally irrelavant > to what this list is for. For myself, I'm tired of having to delete all > of this useless email that is doing nothing to solve anybodys Linux > problems, which is why is subscribed. Can't we all just tolerate each > other? Again let me apologize if this offended you, get over it. Amen!! :^) Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 19:11:58 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UNBwdb007561 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:11:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j8UNBw9B007560 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:11:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UNBrmP007556 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:11:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UNBren009985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:11:53 -0400 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j8UNBhil025798 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:11:44 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-155-195.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.155.195]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C479712DA15 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 16:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:11:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <433D8045.2030101@washpat.com> In-Reply-To: <433D8045.2030101@washpat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509301911.34694.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-1.428, required 6, BAYES_20 -1.43) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 30 September 2005 14:13, Chris Moore wrote: > This discussion is totally pointless. What's being discussed here is Maybe to you. Some of us rewrite all the posts to fit the way we like it. It's a lot of work but keeps us busy. We take turn each day and then repost them amongst us. We believe it adds value to an otherwise busy day. And when that does not make sense we add our own discussions, you know. To spiff it up! Really, the only problem is when it becomes an endless loop. Those can be hard to get out of... So there! -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Sep 30 23:20:18 2005 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j913KI8x009409 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:20:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j913KIsa009408 for slug-track29; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:20:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j913KI0g009404 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:20:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j913KHBj023567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:20:18 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id j913JfOX025597 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:19:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.32] ([71.101.122.144]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0INN00AE7VWD5BN3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:19:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 23:19:34 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Now: An example of why top posting is bad. Was: 580 Unbuntu 5.04 Hoary Discs In-reply-to: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <433E0046.7050501@acun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <000701c5c5e9$ec92e970$6197a8c0@D94ZB121> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.359, required 6, AWL 0.36) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net jhaydon wrote: Hi James! I top post sometimes. > Would that not be Ashton-Tate? I do because: 1) Outlook 2) It confuses the > people at work, if I post on the bottom. (So much for trying to educate the > masses.) Shrunk and White have written a book on proper email writing if we > want to be that anal. And middle post sometimes, > James Haydon >> On Behalf Of Bill Shaw >> I'm used to top posting due to years of use of using Lotus Notes and >> how it replies to emails. So go ahead and add IBM to the list of >> negative influences. And post at the bottom as well. Sometimes all three. I do trim, *usually*, to a "one screen, no scroll" message. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.