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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 12:16:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11HGJPl032571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:16:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11HGJi9032570 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:16:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11HGJZp032566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:16:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11HGJis006795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:16:19 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11HG1KC019662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:16:01 -0500 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11HG08v011244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:16:01 -0500 Message-ID: <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:16:00 -0500 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Configuration Management and Linux Distributions in Large Scale Farms (was "hardware dependencies?") References: <43DDA8C3.4050700@cox.net> <43DE2E91.30604@nks.net> <200601312031.32317.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200601312031.32317.steve@szmidt.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.261, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.34, TW_KP 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: >Not sure if I get you right, but all you need to do is to build them from the >same version of the same distribution. The same CD's. You are going to end up >with the exact same kernel on every single computer. Even if across millions >of servers. The only thing that will differ is the hardware you have. > > Unfortunately, very few machines are exactly the same. Every batch of motherboards we order from a given manufacturer's lot (with the same model number) seem to be basically identical. Each time we put in an order, however, we get a different batch of motherboards with slightly different chipset changes and whatnot (cost savings for the manufacturer). It can be maddening if you're not flexible enough to handle that kind of rapid change in your hardware supply. Over time, you build a network of machines that are widely different in the chipsets, but run on very similar CPU cores (which themselves change gradually). To handle this, and the various other archs (everything from Pentiums to dual-core Xeons), we have standardized on our own "kernel" metapackage that actually contains "hardware optimized" debian kpkg kernels for the various known motherboard configurations. The meta-package probes the hardware and installs the appropriate kernel for that box. >Then you will have the kernel behavior that differs between Intel/AMD, >32bit/64bit. But if you are building a real cluster it will be the exact same >hardware, and if it's only similar hardware like from Intel and AMD, keeping >your own kernel will not solve the problem inherent in how the CPU's differ. > > Right. We have one unified kernel source tree that I maintain. It has patches and fixes known to be required for our various hardware platforms in the farm. I've built a kernel building harness I call "kerncob" to build the dozens of kernels with the slightly differing .config files required for each. In the end, they all behave identically from a userspace perspective - the same debian packages for kernel modules (like ALSA, openswan, etc), the only difference being that the correct optimization/configuration kernels are installed on the box automagically via creative /proc/cpuinfo, lspci, etc. >Of course if you mean using different versions of or even distributions across >your servers, that's plain silly. Just adding trouble, or wasted efforts to >maintain. > > Absolutely. The userspace base image across all machines is identical. To do otherwise is asking for madness. >What I think is the far bigger issue is maintenance of the code. Bug and >security fixes. Who is behind maintaining that for your distro. With, again, >someone like CentOS it's RH and their very competent crew. But that can be a >much bigger hassle. > > We maintain our own "metadistro". I don't have to maintain debian packages (unless the maintainers are on crack, which they sometimes seem to be). I maintain the meta-packages that apply the required debian packages and any "fixups" that are needed to bring the systems into some resemblance of sanity. >Servers should only have a limited amount of s/w installed and running on >them. This is of course still relative. There is a much bigger number of >utilities running these days. Checking quality, connections, etc. But that is >still a much lower amount than a desktop. > > Absolutely. I'd go insane attempting to maintain all of the packages that make up a desktop distribution. To that end, our desktops share from a backport repository that I try to keep stable and recent enough for desktop use. Servers don't pull directly from this apt-repository, but the packages that servers use _are_ included in that repository. To blindly trust the upstream maintainers is asking for pain. Trust me. >I agree that there's a lot of differences that occurs across distros. The way >they integrate various packages. But I'd argue that the kernel is probably >the least of your problems. How a package has been integrated is in my view >the problem we see. The version that distro used and configured it to work >for them. There's a massive amount of variables. (Maybe that's what you >meant?) > > Yes. Massive amount of variables. And each variable is dependant on that package maintainer's view of How Things Should Be. At NKS, we have our own idea about that, and try to make metapackages that are centrally maintainable yet apply at the edge in the same reproducable way everytime. I stress the concept of "little switches" and "big switches" here. A "little switch" is a configuration option that an OpenSource package sees inside it's configuration file. A "big switch" is a configuration switch that we set for our metapackage to model the machine's configuration state. The metapackages on every box turn the "big switches" into "little switches" for the packages that they envelop. By developing in this way, we can add "big switches" as necessary to enable features for our customers, yet hide the complexity of the "little switches" inside each metapackage. Each metapackage begins with a "template" configuration, and proceeds to set the many little switches as appropriate for each big switch setting. This is enforced every time from the central configuration repository, and will override any local configuration changes (debugging and troubleshooting should happen at the edge, _not_ configuration). Any machine in our farm can die at any time, and we can redeploy a base imaged machine purposed as that machine within minutes. Every system's configuration state is maintained in our central configuration management structure. We have historical dirvish backups of everything should we need to restore data (if it could not be restored from the dying/dead machine). So, yes, we maintain our own distribution. It's not debian per-se, but a meta-package distribution _consisting_ of debian packages. Sure, it looks like a debian machine for all intents and purposes, but our Configuration Management structure is a scaffolding integrated into the fabric of every system. You would not apt-get from an external repository, for example.. every metapackage has its own mini-apt repository of the packages that comprise it. I'll never go back to managing systems individually. I'll also never go back to blindly trusting any public repository. If you want to be in complete control of the state of every machine in your farm, you _must_ use some form of configuration management. Ours is homegrown, but very similar to ISConf in a number of ways. I'm also actively looking at Puppet as a potential migration path. In my opinion, you _must_ use some form of Configuration Management for more than a few machines. Anything less is chaos. For more information on this kind of thing, visit Steve Traugott's Infrastructures.org or Luke Kanies' Puppet: http://infrastructures.org http://reductivelabs.com - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 13:34:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11IYdRr000629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:34:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11IYdoR000628 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11IYdRL000624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11IYcCa009376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11IYNoe007072 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:34:24 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k11IYMCo015469 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] ALSA and Ubuntu Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:38:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11Jc2nd001072 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:38:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11Jc1et001068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:38:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11JbuoK011578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:38:01 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11JaHAb012713 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:36:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU0005T9W2HP2N3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:13:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:13:24 -0500 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] ALSA and Ubuntu In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43E10854.8030708@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.346, required 6, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -2.60, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > I broke ALSA, but I fixed it. Apparently the version of alsa-lib I > have (1.09?) doesn't like the "pcm.ch40dup" hack (detailed in > http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ028 ). That's a known bug ( > https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/27987 ) > that was "Fixed with alsa-lib 1.0.10-2ubuntu1". I ran "apt-get > update", but synaptic and aptitude don't indicate any update is > available for an *alsa* package. Am I doing something wrong? Am I > missing an important repository? Thanks. > > Here's /etc/apt/sources.list: > deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/ > breezy main restricted I had issues with the DVD/CD media being at the top of my list in synaptic I usually either move it down to the bottom or remove it all together the did update sources and stuff that was missing ( like updates showed up) > > > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted > > ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the > ## distribution. > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main > restricted > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe' > ## repository. > ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the > Ubuntu > ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself > as to > ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in > ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu > security > ## team. > > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe > > #W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com > breezy/universe Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_universe_binary-i386_Packages) > > > #W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com > breezy-updates/main Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) > > > #W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://us.archive.ubuntu.com > breezy-updates/restricted Packages > (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) > > > ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports' > ## repository. > ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as > ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it > includes > ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features. > ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any > review > ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team. > > deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted > deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted > > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main > restricted > > > ## All community supported packages, including security- and other > updates > > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse > > deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe multiverse > deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe > multiverse > > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates universe > multiverse > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates universe > multiverse > > # already in here > > deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main > restricted universe multiverse > deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main > restricted universe multiverse > > # don't work > > #deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ > #deb-src http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ source/ > > #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe > #deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security universe > > #deb http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/backports.org/debian woody > mozilla-firefox > #deb http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/backports.org/debian woody > mozilla-thunderbird > #deb http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/backports.org/debian woody openvpn > #deb http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/backports.org/debian woody gaim > #deb http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/backports.org/debian woody gnupg > #deb http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/backports.org/debian woody > flashplugin-nonfree > > #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main > > #deb > http://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/mirrors/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/debian > woody main non-free > > #deb http://www.debian.org/archive stable main contrib > #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free > #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main > > #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main > #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main > #deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 15:39:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11KdDh0001498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:39:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11KdDW4001497 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:39:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11KdDWM001493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:39:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11KdDOn013681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:39:13 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11Kcrdj026738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:38:53 -0500 Received: (qmail 29722 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 14:13:28 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 14:13:28 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE90B83A5B for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:08:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E1153E.4020903@quillandmouse.com> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:08:30 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Configuration Management and Linux Distributions in Large Scale Farms (was "hardware dependencies?") References: <43DDA8C3.4050700@cox.net> <43DE2E91.30604@nks.net> <200601312031.32317.steve@szmidt.org> <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.492, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.97, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > I stress the concept of "little switches" and "big switches" here. A > "little switch" is a configuration option that an OpenSource package > sees inside it's configuration file. A "big switch" is a configuration > switch that we set for our metapackage to model the machine's > configuration state. The metapackages on every box turn the "big > switches" into "little switches" for the packages that they envelop. By > developing in this way, we can add "big switches" as necessary to enable > features for our customers, yet hide the complexity of the "little > switches" inside each metapackage. Each metapackage begins with a > "template" configuration, and proceeds to set the many little switches > as appropriate for each big switch setting. This is enforced every time > from the central configuration repository, and will override any local > configuration changes (debugging and troubleshooting should happen at > the edge, _not_ configuration). > So do you compile all your packages from source? And when you upgrade machines you do so from your own repositories? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 15:44:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11KirCQ001550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:44:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11Kirp9001549 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:44:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11Kiq0W001545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:44:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11Kiqqr013882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:44:52 -0500 Received: from lucius.provo.novell.com (lucius.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.172]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11Kigai029713 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:44:42 -0500 Received: from INET-PRV1-MTA by lucius.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:44:41 -0700 Message-Id: <43E0D751.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:44:17 -0700 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: [SLUG] Novell shows off Linux Desktop 10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.71, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.53, BAYES_40 -0.18) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,124571,00.asp "A demonstration of the next release of Novell's Linux for desktops drew cheers and applause Wednesday, although the final version of the software is not expected for some months. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 16:14:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11LEIIk001754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:14:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11LEIx8001753 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:14:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11LEI6w001749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:14:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11LEIl1014783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:14:18 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11LDxor015023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:14:00 -0500 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11LDxCO018399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43E12497.1040506@nks.net> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:13:59 -0500 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Configuration Management and Linux Distributions in Large Scale Farms (was "hardware dependencies?") References: <43DDA8C3.4050700@cox.net> <43DE2E91.30604@nks.net> <200601312031.32317.steve@szmidt.org> <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> <43E1153E.4020903@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43E1153E.4020903@quillandmouse.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.589, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > So do you compile all your packages from source? And when you upgrade > machines you do so from your own repositories? I've been moving away from handbuilding packages whenever there is a debian equivalent. Due to the woody base, however, yes I am backporting everything by recompiling via "apt-get source" and "dpkg-buildpackage" (along with any tweaks absolutely essential). Every metapackage has its own repository. Many metapackages may be applied to a host (for performing multiple or complex tasks). As such, metapackages "borrow" the latest version of packages from other metapackages when they install. We update metapackages from our central configuration repository. So, yes, we are running our own repositories. - Ian C. Blenke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 18:05:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11N5r5X002557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:05:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11N5rT0002556 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:05:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11N5q8V002552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:05:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11N5qWv018554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:05:52 -0500 Received: from faceman.dreamhost.com (faceman.dreamhost.com [205.196.210.16]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11N5R8E032405 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:05:31 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by faceman.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8943161ADB for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Configuration Management and Linux Distributions in Large Scale Farms (was "hardware dependencies?") Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:02:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43DDA8C3.4050700@cox.net> <200601312031.32317.steve@szmidt.org> <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602011802.52327.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.514, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 01 February 2006 12:16, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > Unfortunately, very few machines are exactly the same. Every batch of > motherboards we order from a given manufacturer's lot (with the same > model number) seem to be basically identical. Each time we put in an > order, however, we get a different batch of motherboards with slightly > different chipset changes and whatnot (cost savings for the > manufacturer). It can be maddening if you're not flexible enough to > handle that kind of rapid change in your hardware supply. Hmm, yes that can be a problem. I use a distributor who is very proactive with their h/w. Any changes and they notify me before shipping. You pay a bit more but you have the best customer service. If I try to buy anything incompatible they point it out, or if they think there's a better product. > Right. We have one unified kernel source tree that I maintain. It has > patches and fixes known to be required for our various hardware > platforms in the farm. I've built a kernel building harness I call > "kerncob" to build the dozens of kernels with the slightly differing > .config files required for each. In the end, they all behave identically > from a userspace perspective - the same debian packages for kernel > modules (like ALSA, openswan, etc), the only difference being that the > correct optimization/configuration kernels are installed on the box > automagically via creative /proc/cpuinfo, lspci, etc. Sounds interesting. > >I agree that there's a lot of differences that occurs across distros. The > > way they integrate various packages. But I'd argue that the kernel is > > probably the least of your problems. How a package has been integrated is > > in my view the problem we see. The version that distro used and > > configured it to work for them. There's a massive amount of variables. > > (Maybe that's what you meant?) > > Yes. Massive amount of variables. And each variable is dependant on that > package maintainer's view of How Things Should Be. At NKS, we have our True enough. For example I always change mc to display owner group and permission on the window below. By default it shows the same information that is on every line above. This is a very simple and non destructive example, but that soprt of thing is visible everywhere. > own idea about that, and try to make metapackages that are centrally > maintainable yet apply at the edge in the same reproducable way everytime. > I stress the concept of "little switches" and "big switches" here. A > "little switch" is a configuration option that an OpenSource package > sees inside it's configuration file. A "big switch" is a configuration > switch that we set for our metapackage to model the machine's > configuration state. The metapackages on every box turn the "big > switches" into "little switches" for the packages that they envelop. By > developing in this way, we can add "big switches" as necessary to enable > features for our customers, yet hide the complexity of the "little > switches" inside each metapackage. Each metapackage begins with a > "template" configuration, and proceeds to set the many little switches > as appropriate for each big switch setting. This is enforced every time > from the central configuration repository, and will override any local > configuration changes (debugging and troubleshooting should happen at > the edge, _not_ configuration). Mmm, I love that kind of automation. > Any machine in our farm can die at any time, and we can redeploy a base > imaged machine purposed as that machine within minutes. Every system's > configuration state is maintained in our central configuration > management structure. We have historical dirvish backups of everything > should we need to restore data (if it could not be restored from the > dying/dead machine). Neat! > So, yes, we maintain our own distribution. It's not debian per-se, but a > meta-package distribution _consisting_ of debian packages. Sure, it > looks like a debian machine for all intents and purposes, but our > Configuration Management structure is a scaffolding integrated into the > fabric of every system. You would not apt-get from an external > repository, for example.. every metapackage has its own mini-apt > repository of the packages that comprise it. > > I'll never go back to managing systems individually. I'll also never go > back to blindly trusting any public repository. If you want to be in > complete control of the state of every machine in your farm, you _must_ > use some form of configuration management. Ours is homegrown, but very > similar to ISConf in a number of ways. I'm also actively looking at > Puppet as a potential migration path. > > In my opinion, you _must_ use some form of Configuration Management for > more than a few machines. It certainly makes its effects known quickly. Good job! -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 18:12:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11NCcjN002600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:12:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k11NCcOT002599 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:12:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11NCbHB002595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:12:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k11NCb7V018751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:12:37 -0500 Received: from faceman.dreamhost.com (faceman.dreamhost.com [205.196.210.16]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12C8K8L032572 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:08:20 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by faceman.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF46161F10 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Configuration Management and Linux Distributions in Large Scale Farms (was "hardware dependencies?") Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 18:12:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43DDA8C3.4050700@cox.net> <200601312031.32317.steve@szmidt.org> <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <43E0ECD0.7020203@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200602011812.13042.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.164, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 01 February 2006 12:16, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > Unfortunately, very few machines are exactly the same. Every batch of > motherboards we order from a given manufacturer's lot (with the same > model number) seem to be basically identical. Each time we put in an > order, however, we get a different batch of motherboards with slightly > different chipset changes and whatnot (cost savings for the > manufacturer). It can be maddening if you're not flexible enough to > handle that kind of rapid change in your hardware supply. Hmm, yes that can be a problem. I use a distributor who is very proactive with their h/w. Any changes and they notify me before shipping. You pay a bit more but you have the best customer service. If I try to buy anything incompatible they point it out, or if they think there's a better product. > We have one unified kernel source tree that I maintain. It has > patches and fixes known to be required for our various hardware > platforms in the farm. I've built a kernel building harness I call > "kerncob" to build the dozens of kernels with the slightly differing > .config files required for each. In the end, they all behave identically > from a userspace perspective - the same debian packages for kernel > modules (like ALSA, openswan, etc), the only difference being that the > correct optimization/configuration kernels are installed on the box > automagically via creative /proc/cpuinfo, lspci, etc. Sounds interesting. > >I agree that there's a lot of differences that occurs across distros. The > > way they integrate various packages. But I'd argue that the kernel is > > probably the least of your problems. How a package has been integrated is > > in my view the problem we see. The version that distro used and > > configured it to work for them. There's a massive amount of variables. > > (Maybe that's what you meant?) > > Yes. Massive amount of variables. And each variable is dependant on that > package maintainer's view of How Things Should Be. At NKS, we have our True enough. For example I always change mc to display owner group and permission on the window below. By default it shows the same information that is on every line above. This is a very simple and non destructive example, but that sort of thing is visible everywhere. > own idea about that, and try to make metapackages that are centrally > maintainable yet apply at the edge in the same reproducable way everytime. > I stress the concept of "little switches" and "big switches" here. A > "little switch" is a configuration option that an OpenSource package > sees inside it's configuration file. A "big switch" is a configuration > switch that we set for our metapackage to model the machine's > configuration state. The metapackages on every box turn the "big > switches" into "little switches" for the packages that they envelop. By > developing in this way, we can add "big switches" as necessary to enable > features for our customers, yet hide the complexity of the "little > switches" inside each metapackage. Each metapackage begins with a > "template" configuration, and proceeds to set the many little switches > as appropriate for each big switch setting. This is enforced every time > from the central configuration repository, and will override any local > configuration changes (debugging and troubleshooting should happen at > the edge, _not_ configuration). Mmm, I love that kind of automation. Good control over many machines. > Any machine in our farm can die at any time, and we can redeploy a base > imaged machine purposed as that machine within minutes. Every system's > configuration state is maintained in our central configuration > management structure. We have historical dirvish backups of everything > should we need to restore data (if it could not be restored from the > dying/dead machine). Neat! > So, yes, we maintain our own distribution. It's not debian per-se, but a > meta-package distribution _consisting_ of debian packages. Sure, it > looks like a debian machine for all intents and purposes, but our > Configuration Management structure is a scaffolding integrated into the > fabric of every system. You would not apt-get from an external > repository, for example.. every metapackage has its own mini-apt > repository of the packages that comprise it. > > I'll never go back to managing systems individually. I'll also never go > back to blindly trusting any public repository. If you want to be in > complete control of the state of every machine in your farm, you _must_ > use some form of configuration management. Ours is homegrown, but very > similar to ISConf in a number of ways. I'm also actively looking at > Puppet as a potential migration path. > > In my opinion, you _must_ use some form of Configuration Management for > more than a few machines. I've obviously never needed to build enough servers for one location to need that level of fine grained control. But it sounds like you got a pretty nice and efficient setup. - Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 20:39:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121dWD9003632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:39:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k121dWDm003631 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:39:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121dVZx003627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:39:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121dVG6023498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:39:31 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121dIQ5010043 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:39:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060202013918.CYRD8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <43E17173.305@cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:41:55 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] partitioning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.541, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.06, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What is the best free (as in beer) application to use to resize a Windows partition with Windows installed on it? Thanks! -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 20:43:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121hL3J003681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:43:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k121hLI2003680 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:43:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121hKwH003676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:43:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121hKXs023660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:43:20 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k121gwwU017398 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:42:59 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k121gu9E017630 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:42:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:42:58 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ALSA and Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <43E10854.8030708@gte.net> Message-ID: References: <43E10854.8030708@gte.net> X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King wrote: >> I broke ALSA, but I fixed it. Apparently the version of alsa-lib I have >> (1.09?) doesn't like the "pcm.ch40dup" hack (detailed in >> http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ028 ). That's a known bug ( >> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/27987 ) that >> was "Fixed with alsa-lib 1.0.10-2ubuntu1". I ran "apt-get update", but >> synaptic and aptitude don't indicate any update is available for an *alsa* >> package. Am I doing something wrong? Am I missing an important >> repository? Thanks. >> >> Here's /etc/apt/sources.list: >> deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)]/ breezy >> main restricted > > I had issues with the DVD/CD media being at the top of my list in synaptic I > usually either move it down to the bottom or remove it all together the did > update sources and stuff that was missing ( like updates showed up) OK, I moved it to the end of not-commented-out repositories and did "apt-get update", no change. So I commented it out too and did "apt-get update", no change. Hmm? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 1 21:04:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1224CkP003849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:04:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1224CnU003848 for slug-track29; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:04:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1224BK6003844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:04:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1224BKN024415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:04:11 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1223sRM016499 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:03:55 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1223qF9002042 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:03:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:03:54 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] partitioning In-Reply-To: <43E17173.305@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <43E17173.305@cox.net> X-GetARealMailreader: What is the best free (as in beer) application to use to resize a Windows > partition with Windows installed on it? Thanks! ntfsresize (on the System Rescue CD) worked for me. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 08:44:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12DiZuc008928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:44:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k12DiZDV008927 for slug-track29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:44:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12DiZcV008923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:44:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12DiZmA028700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:44:35 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.192]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12DiG70011205 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:44:16 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so395307wra for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 05:44:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q9eSdVBX8a++ce+hkr7Y6mxaqgqF1wjWkNeRrWEL13Thn3doco1H70RYJy1ATpmH7Jkopa3RIKlM3Lh3H0ag1uTBURVzCb4456dnfNkmDcRFvMyIRU9I/+REIKA9nBltvQQcKYfmh7VPVYlRP3oTEmYje6e/OYwIIqZCVFfV5tM= Received: by 10.54.101.6 with SMTP id y6mr809907wrb; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 05:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.10 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 05:44:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602020544s791c0f0di69e5f005c9e75413@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:44:15 -0600 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] partitioning In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43E17173.305@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.708, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.11, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k12DiZcU008924 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > ntfsresize (on the System Rescue CD) worked for me. Ditto that. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 10:51:22 2006 Received: from afzhg253.com (dhcp80123.4u.com.gh [80.87.80.123] (may be forged)) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k12FpKI4009822 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:51:21 -0500 Message-Id: <200602021551.k12FpKI4009822@slug-list-00.nks.net> From: "Mr. Johnson Kofi." Reply-To: johnoxlem5@yahoo.co.uk To: slug-track29@slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:51:20 +0000 Subject: With Regards X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k12FpgI4009823 From: Mr. Johnson Kofi. The manager international Commercial Bank Ghana First Light Branch Accra, Ghana. Attn: I got your contact during my search for a reliable, honest and a trust worth person to entrust this huge transfer project with. My name is Mr. Johnson kofi. I am the manager of the international commercial bank Ghana, first light branch. I am a Ghanaian married with two kids. I am writing to solicit your assistance in the transfer of us$2,500.000.00. This fund is the excess of what my branch in which I am the manager made as profit during the last year. I have already submitted an approved end of the year report for the year 2004 to my head office here in Accra and they will never know of this excess. I have since then, placed this amount of us$2,500.000.00 on a suspense account without a beneficiary. As an officer of the bank, I cannot be directly connected to this money thus I am impelled to request for your assistance to receive this money into your bank account. I intend to part 30% of this fund to you while 70% shall be for me. I do need to stress that there are practically no risk involved in this. It's going to be a bank-to-bank transfer. All I need from you is to stand as the original depositor of this fund. If you accept this offer, I will appreciate your timely response With Regards, Mr. Johnson Kofi From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 11:53:46 2006 Received: from mrson2707.com (dhcp80123.4u.com.gh [80.87.80.123] (may be forged)) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k12GriY8010269 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:53:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200602021653.k12GriY8010269@slug-list-00.nks.net> From: "Mr. Johnson Kofi." Reply-To: johnoxlem5@yahoo.co.uk To: slug-track29@slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:53:45 +0000 Subject: With Regards X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k12GrvY8010270 From: Mr. Johnson Kofi. The manager international Commercial Bank Ghana First Light Branch Accra, Ghana. Attn: I got your contact during my search for a reliable, honest and a trust worth person to entrust this huge transfer project with. My name is Mr. Johnson kofi. I am the manager of the international commercial bank Ghana, first light branch. I am a Ghanaian married with two kids. I am writing to solicit your assistance in the transfer of us$2,500.000.00. This fund is the excess of what my branch in which I am the manager made as profit during the last year. I have already submitted an approved end of the year report for the year 2004 to my head office here in Accra and they will never know of this excess. I have since then, placed this amount of us$2,500.000.00 on a suspense account without a beneficiary. As an officer of the bank, I cannot be directly connected to this money thus I am impelled to request for your assistance to receive this money into your bank account. I intend to part 30% of this fund to you while 70% shall be for me. I do need to stress that there are practically no risk involved in this. It's going to be a bank-to-bank transfer. All I need from you is to stand as the original depositor of this fund. If you accept this offer, I will appreciate your timely response With Regards, Mr. Johnson Kofi From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 13:51:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12Ip0lj011100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:51:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k12Ip0r6011099 for slug-track29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:51:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12Ip0J6011095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:51:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12Ioxmp008054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:51:00 -0500 Received: from hal.abazaba.org (pool-71-99-101-201.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.101.201]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k12IoaA1001207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:50:37 -0500 Received: (qmail 14471 invoked by uid 1011); 2 Feb 2006 13:53:54 -0500 Received: from pool-71-99-122-127.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO kronos.tssellers.com) (slug@71.99.122.127) by hal.abazaba.org with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 13:53:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] partitioning From: Daryl Caudill To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602020544s791c0f0di69e5f005c9e75413@mail.gmail.com> References: <43E17173.305@cox.net> <1a3a3e310602020544s791c0f0di69e5f005c9e75413@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:50:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1138906212.6537.4.camel@kronos.tssellers.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.735, required 6, AWL -1.21, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL 1.95, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 2.05) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 07:44 -0600, Levi Bard wrote: > > ntfsresize (on the System Rescue CD) worked for me. > > Ditto that. ntfsresize doesn't always work. If it doesn't, here's a nice free utility: BootItNG http://www.terabyteunlimited.com Download it and make a boot CD. When it prompts to install it, SKIP the installation, and just use the repartition utility. Works great, we use it here. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 19:36:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k130atvd013675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:36:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k130atha013674 for slug-track29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:36:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k130at6q013670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:36:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k130as88020248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:36:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k130aKTi027316 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:36:20 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k130aIOu006248 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:36:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:36:21 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] mms:// Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:02:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1312YRg013915 for slug-track29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:02:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1312YOH013911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:02:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1312YMD021153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:02:34 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1312NJG003379 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:02:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060203010217.WDNL8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:02:17 -0500 Message-ID: <43E2BA48.6030300@cox.net> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:04:56 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] partitioning References: <43E17173.305@cox.net> <1a3a3e310602020544s791c0f0di69e5f005c9e75413@mail.gmail.com> <1138906212.6537.4.camel@kronos.tssellers.com> In-Reply-To: <1138906212.6537.4.camel@kronos.tssellers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.836, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.84) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daryl Caudill wrote: >On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 07:44 -0600, Levi Bard wrote: > > >>>ntfsresize (on the System Rescue CD) worked for me. >>> >>> >>Ditto that. >> >> > >ntfsresize doesn't always work. If it doesn't, here's a nice free >utility: > >BootItNG >http://www.terabyteunlimited.com > >Download it and make a boot CD. When it prompts to install it, SKIP the >installation, and just use the repartition utility. Works great, we use >it here. > > > > > > Ultimately wound up using QT Parted on Knoppix 4.0.1 cd, believe it or not! It worked great! Knoppix: It's not just for breakfast anymore. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 23:18:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134INAD015400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:18:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k134INk3015399 for slug-track29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:18:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134IMJY015395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:18:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134IMKH028051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:18:22 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134IEOD032697 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:18:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU3006ULFY9IH01@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:18:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:17:59 -0500 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] mms:// In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43E2D977.3070708@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.26, required 6, AWL -0.36, BAYES_05 -1.11, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, TW_WM 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > So I found some shows > (http://channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/I/itcrowd/video/index.html) > which I'd like to see. But, bandwidth to the UK sucks now, and I > don't want to watch these at 3am. So, I'd like to dump them into > local files and play those. mplayer will play a mms:// URL (but in > this case it's choppy). Is there a way to tell it to dump it to a > file instead of playing it? > the mms:// points to a asf file or at times a meta wmv depending on the version of of windows media services inside that file will be a a pointer to the real file sitting in the media folder for windows media services. There is a number of stream rippers that will cache all the real wmv now granted they are windows versions of software but should run in wine. But .... normally how we would fix this problem would be to go into windows media and set a slightly slower setting in the internet connection part of window media player that would cause more of a buffer that would fix the issue of choppy video. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 23:38:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134c7oi015517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:38:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k134c7cL015516 for slug-track29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:38:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134c7PD015512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:38:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134c6aH028813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:38:07 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134bqca005216 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:37:53 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so587899nzn for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:37:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ukn/dLcBg6Vr8ic+3eDhuylkYaU7qZl6hiBVfOjuvTjOXO6zj0y+CuHICMppTxCCXWZcTPe7DsxXwSxocg1UQe6nHIM7BttevTzoIdAwTHuqIq1oGM5uSbg6xZCa1GDltNCJFC5o+jZBFkGjzqjMWJ9nbuJzaVrZAw2NTWT8nHE= Received: by 10.64.10.17 with SMTP id 17mr1138527qbj; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.251.4 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:37:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c90570602022037w6c0d3387u3f3a17451bf037ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:37:51 -0500 From: Chuck Hast To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mms:// In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.116, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_40 -0.18, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k134c7PC015513 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/2/06, Eben King wrote: > So I found some shows > (http://channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/I/itcrowd/video/index.html) > which I'd like to see. But, bandwidth to the UK sucks now, and I don't want > to watch these at 3am. So, I'd like to dump them into local files and play > those. mplayer will play a mms:// URL (but in this case it's choppy). Is > there a way to tell it to dump it to a file instead of playing it? > Those are funny, I would like to do the same. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 2 23:56:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134uIF1015629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:56:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k134uIwH015628 for slug-track29; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:56:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134uITQ015624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:56:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134uHaW029511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:56:18 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134u0HX009176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:56:00 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.101] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k134tw31015910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:55:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43E2E25B.6090701@blenke.com> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:55:55 -0500 From: Ian Blenke User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] mms:// References: <620c90570602022037w6c0d3387u3f3a17451bf037ad@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570602022037w6c0d3387u3f3a17451bf037ad@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010101010900070405010800" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.99, required 6, AWL -1.18, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.50, SARE_SPEC_ROLEX_NOV5A 1.67) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010101010900070405010800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chuck Hast wrote: > On 2/2/06, Eben King wrote: > >> So I found some shows >> (http://channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/I/itcrowd/video/index.html) >> which I'd like to see. But, bandwidth to the UK sucks now, and I don't want >> to watch these at 3am. So, I'd like to dump them into local files and play >> those. mplayer will play a mms:// URL (but in this case it's choppy). Is >> there a way to tell it to dump it to a file instead of playing it? >> This works: mplayer -vo null -ao null -dumpstream -dumpfile the_itcrowd_ep01_yesterdays_jam.wmv mms://edge.channel4.com/theitcrowd/episode1_c4web.wmv The key option is really "-dumpstream", the -dumpfile lets you chose a filename other than "stream.dump", and the -vo null and -ao null short-circuit any video output and audio output device probing if you want to run this headless. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 3 18:55:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k13NtI7s023834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:55:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k13NtI4b023833 for slug-track29; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:55:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k13NtIkp023829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:55:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k13NtIEQ018705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:55:18 -0500 Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k13Nt3Rq000489 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 18:55:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 20655 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Feb 2006 23:55:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RP+DBfLEGhL9xmk8xF1k4KXZ5Koh2TivPGup67X+G1tthZM6KxtL/7ZUe15+kkro7QR1xC74R5n0Gh5tonBCSytU276DAiI5vK7l8c1DAt5gzTVhcHdidb3hp2ZkRHkjM5tu6jGpeY1a5doPBjZvSHAFWisktpIwSNU1lOmLQw0= ; Message-ID: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.165] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:55:02 PST Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:55:02 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. To: FL Lug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have Charter internet service that is a cable modem. I have a linksys router and I connect a linux pc all the time, but I use a w2k pc because all of my certification software is for a windows pc. I don't understand why sometimes I turn on ether linux or w2k and I can't connect to the internet. In linux I have tried to use ifconfig to bring eth0 down and then up but nothing happens. In w2k, I used the ipconfig /renew to get a new ip address, but it can't find anything to get an ip address. In the router I have the standard router name, with no host and domain name. I have local DHCP on, but I only use a few address with a client lease time of 1 day. That is the default. Should I turn off local DHCP and asign each pc a static ip? However, I have found a way to resolve this issue but I don't like it. What I do is, I have to turn off the pcs and the router and then wait for a minute and turn on the router and then the pc of my choice. This is very, very anoying and it has come more often recently. I hope that I have given you enough info to help. William __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 3 19:15:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k140F0QI024001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:15:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k140F0ZY024000 for slug-track29; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:15:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k140F0F8023996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:15:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k140Ex8S019409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:15:00 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k140EguD009719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:14:43 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k140Hfut005051 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:17:41 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k140HftE005050; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:17:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 68.142.6.225 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:17:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 19:17:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.092, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.09, BAYES_40 -0.18) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have Charter internet service that is a cable modem. I have a linksys router and > I connect a > linux pc all the time, but I use a w2k pc because all of my certification software > is for a > windows pc. I don't understand why sometimes I turn on ether linux or w2k and I > can't connect to > the internet. > > In linux I have tried to use ifconfig to bring eth0 down and then up but nothing > happens. In > w2k, I used the ipconfig /renew to get a new ip address, but it can't find anything > to get an ip > address. In Linux you can try the "dhclient" program (run as root). It will attempt to grab an IP address via DHCP. It's not entirely clear if you're having an DHCP client issue or possibly a DNS problem. If you run dhclient on the Linux machine, does "ifconfig -a" show an IP address in the DHCP range? Does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" reflect your correct DNS server? Try posting the output of "ifconfig -a" before and after you run dhclient. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 3 20:28:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k141SFV7024562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:28:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k141SEPa024561 for slug-track29; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:28:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k141SEXt024557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:28:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k141SEnM022564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:28:14 -0500 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k141S1U7015214 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:28:02 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A1FEE8BF for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 17:28:00 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:27:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602032027.56048.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.976, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.49, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There are couple of questions as to how your network is working. But, you can always get a new IP by running: /etc/init.d/network restart Does your router get an IP from Charter? Take a look on how it is configured. There should be a way to check if it has an IP. It could just be that it's not handing out IP's when ask to. Try setting static IP's for the two computers. If that works all the time then that's the area of your problem. Act accordingly. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 02:01:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1471Ouh026894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:01:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1471Nln026893 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:01:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1471NQF026889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:01:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1471Mov004648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:01:23 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1470mFQ031527 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:00:49 -0500 Received: from gibson (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1470lUF019986 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 02:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.0/248]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:00:47 -0500 Message-ID: <43E4511E.2090802@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:00:46 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: > However, I have found a way to resolve this issue but I don't like it. What I do is, I have to > turn off the pcs and the router and then wait for a minute and turn on the router and then the pc > of my choice. This is very, very anoying and it has come more often recently. I hope that I have > given you enough info to help. > I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, but it sounds like you're having the same problem I used to have when I wasn't using a router... just the cable modem with several computers. The cable modem will only allow 1 MAC address to be connected at a time. To fire up another PC with a different MAC address, you had to power cycle the cable modem. Is this what's happening? Have you gotten both PCs to run at the same time? If so, I'm barking up the wrong tree... however, if you have been unable to get both PCs working at the same time, maybe your router is acting like a hub instead of a router. Just a thought. Otherwise, it sounds like a router issue... try setting it back to defaults and see what happens. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 09:07:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14E75rO030030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:07:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14E75EU030029 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:07:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14E74sS030025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:07:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14E71T3025617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:07:04 -0500 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14E6hFM004244 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:06:43 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7255C4F743 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:07:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E4B4F4.3050206@mathey.org> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 09:06:44 -0500 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.532, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: > I have Charter internet service that is a cable modem. I have a linksys router and I connect a > linux pc all the time, but I use a w2k pc because all of my certification software is for a > windows pc. I don't understand why sometimes I turn on ether linux or w2k and I can't connect to > the internet. > > In linux I have tried to use ifconfig to bring eth0 down and then up but nothing happens. In > w2k, I used the ipconfig /renew to get a new ip address, but it can't find anything to get an ip > address. > > In the router I have the standard router name, with no host and domain name. I have local DHCP > on, but I only use a few address with a client lease time of 1 day. That is the default. Should > I turn off local DHCP and asign each pc a static ip? > > However, I have found a way to resolve this issue but I don't like it. What I do is, I have to > turn off the pcs and the router and then wait for a minute and turn on the router and then the pc > of my choice. This is very, very anoying and it has come more often recently. I hope that I have > given you enough info to help. > > William When you say connect to the internet I assume load a web page\check email. I assume you have checked all your cabling and verified link speed\duplex of the NIC\switch When this issue is happening what is the result of pinging the gateway from the working and nonworking machine? (probably 192.168.1.1 for linksys) If both can ping the gateway then on the windows maching do an ipconfig /all or check resolv.conf on linux mainly I want you to ping the DNS server. This will prove that both can can route outside the local area network which is the first thing you want to verify. If you cannot ping the gateway then on the machine that is not working, (windows "arp -a" \linux "arp" ) see if the MAC address of the gateway is there. if the above test is good than you have good layer 3 connectivity. if you are missing MAC address in the arp table after pinging than you have might have physical issues. make sure your linksys is running the latest code for your model. Let us know the outcome of the ping test and we can proceed to troubleshoot. -Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 09:58:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14Ew2Gj030354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14Ew2oA030353 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14Ew2gQ030349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14Evu9W027152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:58:02 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14EvSZg017188 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:57:29 -0500 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k14EvRQG025539 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:57:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200602041457.k14EvRQG025539@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:00:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcYpHZlWhYsSZB/iTreEABp6OEFlEgAfZ8IQ X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'd suggest you run "ifconfig" (Linux) and "ipconfig" (win). Tell us what your IP address is, and your DNS server is. If you are connected correctly, your PCs will have an IP address like 192.168.x.x If it's way different, you might have the cable from the cable modem plugged into the wrong port of the router. It needs to go into the WAN port for the router to work. If its plugged into a LAN port, the router will act as a switch. One PC *might* get an IP address from your ISP, but the second PC will not. Ken -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:55 PM To: FL Lug Subject: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. I have Charter internet service that is a cable modem. I have a linksys router and I connect a linux pc all the time, but I use a w2k pc because all of my certification software is for a windows pc. I don't understand why sometimes I turn on ether linux or w2k and I can't connect to the internet. In linux I have tried to use ifconfig to bring eth0 down and then up but nothing happens. In w2k, I used the ipconfig /renew to get a new ip address, but it can't find anything to get an ip address. In the router I have the standard router name, with no host and domain name. I have local DHCP on, but I only use a few address with a client lease time of 1 day. That is the default. Should I turn off local DHCP and asign each pc a static ip? However, I have found a way to resolve this issue but I don't like it. What I do is, I have to turn off the pcs and the router and then wait for a minute and turn on the router and then the pc of my choice. This is very, very anoying and it has come more often recently. I hope that I have given you enough info to help. William __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 11:40:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14GekEU031123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:40:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14GekdT031122 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:40:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14GekfB031118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:40:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14GekWd030270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:40:46 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14Gea2p015921 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:40:36 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so865528nzn for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:40:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Vtm3gygTtNubpVpdZrhTlxx0EGNEfxU0s7Ot3cpyvaq0EZnFHDwj3BTkNQ4C/gLrlYYoUbkCKRJr9NZkjPoOwWRFrNKJtrrFyriXYFNEB/4E+kt7bKcJsYi1TlKudgjl6SRWHt+tftNKAmgHm6FdNHH0btuFhecHXPcTFIfL3N8= Received: by 10.65.159.11 with SMTP id l11mr28868qbo; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:40:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.14 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:40:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:40:34 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Ralink chipsets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.375, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k14GekfA031119 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here's that list of products with Ralink chipsets, as discussed at the Monday meeting. The RT2500 ones are the ones with open source drivers; the RT2600 series will have open source drivers, but they're still in development. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 11:43:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14GheuJ031148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14GheYK031147 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14GhdVS031143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14GhdXR030375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:39 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14GhMf8004583 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:23 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so865868nzn for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:43:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VfHQD8wB2FkOs3luwpWja3scqBfTXuUs3gENEcIkQ5AN/FS8JPnhCQdndHFZkrqdm32LVHliUjcqJ+OYf20XtRjK3z8S70nuD3uc/9+mpwDJeRvBjNp6pKwP2d9/Czsx7+a+lZYG0+ZpE63PfqJ8Ry+QW2Hbo/iXHdT3oDln2jg= Received: by 10.65.237.5 with SMTP id o5mr1411935qbr; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.14 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:43:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:22 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Re: Ralink chipsets In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.516, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k14GheVR031144 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 2006/2/4, Dylan Hardison : > Here's that list of products with Ralink chipsets, as discussed at the > Monday meeting. > > The RT2500 ones are the ones with open source drivers; > the RT2600 series will have open source drivers, but they're still in > development. Grr, NTS: Disable gmail hotkeys. Here's the link: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 15:32:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14KWsjv032739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:32:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14KWsex032738 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:32:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14KWr0x032734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:32:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14KWrSe005589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:32:53 -0500 Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k14KWj3N001820 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:32:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 1317 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 20:32:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nJlozsBCJcLw4ROQ0CKTy8hKNLi8EvJEk0tkgjtCnXS7XPUhxQqykLuisj0CwfFOszRNtt8vUq2tk58tUuVSfjIvO7Aj8SeWnfRk+kKJBOHntlUytV67vrHuv35xlng41svhPh18A00jG1uJpZb9q2Sn0VVLKj4fjmwc7Nv4syg= ; Message-ID: <20060204203244.1315.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.165] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:32:44 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <43E4511E.2090802@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net No, you are not insulting my intelligence but I already have configured the router to see my linux pc as the mac that is stored. I have checked the router to be sure and those settings are correct. At this point, setting the router back to default is going back not forward. Thanks. William --- "Eric A. Hicks" wrote: > I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, but it sounds like you're > having the same problem I used to have when I wasn't using a router... > just the cable modem with several computers. The cable modem will only > allow 1 MAC address to be connected at a time. To fire up another PC > with a different MAC address, you had to power cycle the cable modem. > > Is this what's happening? Have you gotten both PCs to run at the same > time? If so, I'm barking up the wrong tree... however, if you have been > unable to get both PCs working at the same time, maybe your router is > acting like a hub instead of a router. Just a thought. > > Otherwise, it sounds like a router issue... try setting it back to > defaults and see what happens. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 16:05:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14L5YrC000505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:05:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14L5Yfg000504 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:05:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14L5X6s000500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:05:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14L5XaM006483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:05:33 -0500 Received: from web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.72]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k14L5Kn5029432 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:05:20 -0500 Received: (qmail 65789 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 21:05:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WvZ3/Cd1WmcSIVDXIlNdw5lgd2+U+8aiMax1Q5hAyi5xhWJpydcKHuNZ7y3tlV4SUtgVIE+1LE79bJsxZ6sUwr9Lr5xLZywDiwI8X1X28sVXFj99JoIgjs0FNw5cQkwtiZVSueQI8MR/P1R2Ws/4L28sDq5ioGIm891krIanfsU= ; Message-ID: <20060204210519.65787.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.165] by web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:05:19 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:05:19 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I tried "dhclient" and I get "no manual entry for dhclient". William --- Kwan Lowe wrote: > In Linux you can try the "dhclient" program (run as root). It will attempt to grab > an IP address via DHCP. > > It's not entirely clear if you're having an DHCP client issue or possibly a DNS > problem. If you run dhclient on the Linux machine, does "ifconfig -a" show an IP > address in the DHCP range? Does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" reflect your correct DNS > server? > > Try posting the output of "ifconfig -a" before and after you run dhclient. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 16:09:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14L9bMW000534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:09:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14L9bgQ000533 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:09:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14L9btf000529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:09:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14L9aLQ006565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:09:37 -0500 Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k15A4iL5022611 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:04:49 -0500 Received: (qmail 56036 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 21:09:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hQgMSlq7G4jivp9T8ukBXWMbUNgAeqMz8NNiRlQ4mr89d3uyG/wek1XeFhhFVaD7URF7KVkLB+WwwYXyng1x1bS/ZGTrH3/Cmac1/8XM9TVjfSdaWnoB1KHii8HOJdfUGij7PmNlMlbDXWDDuBriAx24LAkRxOGPWLE1GK7oeS4= ; Message-ID: <20060204210922.56034.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.165] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:09:22 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:09:22 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200602032027.56048.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes, my router gets an IP from Charter. I have the router to auto DHCP this is the default settings for DHCP. I will try and setup static IPs for the PCs. I don't have much time now. I am living for a few days and I am trying to pack for the week. William --- steve szmidt wrote: > There are couple of questions as to how your network is working. But, you can > always get a new IP by running: > > /etc/init.d/network restart > > Does your router get an IP from Charter? Take a look on how it is configured. > There should be a way to check if it has an IP. > > It could just be that it's not handing out IP's when ask to. Try setting > static IP's for the two computers. If that works all the time then that's the > area of your problem. Act accordingly. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. > Edmund Burke > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 16:18:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14LIw7F000646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:18:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14LIwH6000645 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:18:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14LIvwH000641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:18:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14LIvFY006942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:18:57 -0500 Received: from web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.69]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k15AE9Og023222 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 05:14:09 -0500 Received: (qmail 14482 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2006 21:18:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a5kjAeHtr+CVo58o0i3lG9jpgzkrXzteyQ0a+pg+Hg4FDDCtRof9gEB9OjE8T9C2vutBGfIKq5xu8Kk2VZ9qsvUW/9RWdQWkgzL41kvDQCTKkzr7LjjkO/zFpPuQLi01M9WZMF9+7nbGL5i1tw6Gd0ZHFZJietjB0sMlagLWLZM= ; Message-ID: <20060204211847.14480.qmail@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.165] by web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:18:47 PST Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: RE: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200602041457.k14EvRQG025539@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I changed my internal IP to something else that is not the 192.168.x.x. I wanted to use something that wasn't commonly used. I have already check on where the cables are plugged in. They are correct. My router only gives out the IP address in the range that I have requested it to give out. That is why I think that it is somthing in the router. William --- Ken Elliott wrote: > I'd suggest you run "ifconfig" (Linux) and "ipconfig" (win). Tell us what > your IP address is, and your DNS server is. If you are connected correctly, > your PCs will have an IP address like 192.168.x.x > > If it's way different, you might have the cable from the cable modem plugged > into the wrong port of the router. It needs to go into the WAN port for the > router to work. If its plugged into a LAN port, the router will act as a > switch. One PC *might* get an IP address from your ISP, but the second PC > will not. > > Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 16:34:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14LYJra000743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14LYJtu000742 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14LYJV8000738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14LYJgZ007310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:34:19 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14LY2K4025107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:34:03 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k14Lb4vG010119 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:37:04 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k14Lb433010118; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:37:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.20 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:37:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36852.192.168.8.20.1139089023.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <20060204210519.65787.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <20060204210519.65787.qmail@web31014.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 16:37:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.548, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I tried "dhclient" and I get "no manual entry for dhclient". That would the output if you tried "man dhclient" and dhclient wasn't installed. Some distros use "dhcpcd" instead, so you may have to use that. You also mentioned that you chose a different IP range. Also be aware that some networks cannot be used internally. > > William > > --- Kwan Lowe wrote: > >> In Linux you can try the "dhclient" program (run as root). It will attempt to >> grab >> an IP address via DHCP. >> >> It's not entirely clear if you're having an DHCP client issue or possibly a DNS >> problem. If you run dhclient on the Linux machine, does "ifconfig -a" show an IP >> address in the DHCP range? Does "cat /etc/resolv.conf" reflect your correct DNS >> server? >> >> Try posting the output of "ifconfig -a" before and after you run dhclient. >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 4 18:39:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14NdWMZ001607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:39:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k14NdWNW001606 for slug-track29; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:39:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14NdVLM001602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:39:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14NdV5O010986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:39:31 -0500 Received: from ij.net (solomon.ij.net [207.22.166.254]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k14Nble6011617 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:37:49 -0500 Received: from [10.17.163.8] (unverified [209.216.87.201]) by ij.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 58726477 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:39:18 -0500 Message-ID: <43E53AC9.7050001@ij.net> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:37:45 -0500 From: Scott PIper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051007 Debian/1.7.12-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys and ip address. References: <20060204211847.14480.qmail@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060204211847.14480.qmail@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=329229864 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (timed out) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You can get into the router with your browser by pointing to its address. Default password is admin, I think, and you don't need a user name. Check the status and see if the router has an ip and nameservers from the cable company. If not, you can try to renew the router ip. You can also download the latest firmware from linksys, or if your router is not the very latest version, alternative firmware such as dd-wrt. You can find out about hardware versions, firmware, and get help at this site http://www.linksysinfo.org/modules.php?name=Forums scott William Coulter wrote: >I changed my internal IP to something else that is not the 192.168.x.x. I wanted to use something >that wasn't commonly used. I have already check on where the cables are plugged in. They are >correct. My router only gives out the IP address in the range that I have requested it to give >out. That is why I think that it is somthing in the router. > >William > >--- Ken Elliott wrote: > > > >>I'd suggest you run "ifconfig" (Linux) and "ipconfig" (win). Tell us what >>your IP address is, and your DNS server is. If you are connected correctly, >>your PCs will have an IP address like 192.168.x.x >> >>If it's way different, you might have the cable from the cable modem plugged >>into the wrong port of the router. It needs to go into the WAN port for the >>router to work. If its plugged into a LAN port, the router will act as a >>switch. One PC *might* get an IP address from your ISP, but the second PC >>will not. >> >>Ken >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 01:59:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k156xFmr004625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:59:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k156xFT2004624 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:59:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k156xE12004620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:59:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k156xE5c028947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:59:14 -0500 Received: from mail.globalsuite.net (mail.globalsuite.net [69.46.103.201]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k156x6Sj003505 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:59:07 -0500 Received: from IPOfCard1.guest-tek.com (unknown [66.14.176.168]) by mail.globalsuite.net (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id AC008D5 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:59:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.17.197.196] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by IPOfCard1.guest-tek.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k156wrA11224 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 01:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: <43E5A24E.9060101@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:59:26 -0500 From: petetheisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Ralink chipsets References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan Hardison wrote: > 2006/2/4, Dylan Hardison : > >>Here's that list of products with Ralink chipsets, as discussed at the >>Monday meeting. >> >>The RT2500 ones are the ones with open source drivers; >>the RT2600 series will have open source drivers, but they're still in >>development. > > Grr, NTS: Disable gmail hotkeys. > Here's the link: > http://ralink.rapla.net/ Hi Dylan! So Ralink is good, or just not as bad? I have an "old" D-Link DWL-G650, before they changed the chip without telling anyone. It was a bugger to get working - couldn't even do it myself but the guys at the meeting, notably Eric, got it to work. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 09:35:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15EZKwC008033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:35:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15EZK2t008032 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:35:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15EZK5f008028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:35:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15EZKbh024279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:35:20 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f22.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.111]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15EYnc0022543 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:34:50 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 06:34:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.35 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:34:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.35] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Re: Ralink chipsets Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:34:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2006 14:34:49.0024 (UTC) FILETIME=[5143F400:01C62A61] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.14, required 6, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Dylan Hardison >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: Slug List >Subject: [SLUG] Re: Ralink chipsets >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:22 -0500 > >2006/2/4, Dylan Hardison : > > Here's that list of products with Ralink chipsets, as discussed at the > > Monday meeting. > > > > The RT2500 ones are the ones with open source drivers; > > the RT2600 series will have open source drivers, but they're still in > > development. > >Grr, NTS: Disable gmail hotkeys. >Here's the link: >http://ralink.rapla.net/ > Great link--thanks! Regretfully, I was unable to make it to the Linux wireless talk at the last St. Petersburg SLUG meeting. Perhaps for the benefit of those on the list such as myself, you could mention a few of the key points made at the meeting. Some other wireless driver projects such as madwifi [http://madwifi.org/] require the use of a closed binary layer. Does the ralink driver taint the kernel as well or is it completely open? -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 11:05:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15G5tA8008678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:05:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15G5tow008677 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:05:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15G5sjA008673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:05:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15G5sOF026847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:05:54 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f11.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.100]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15G5hVf024450 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:05:44 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:05:43 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.35 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:05:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.35] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Wireless Router Recommendations Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:05:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2006 16:05:43.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[04201B60:01C62A6E] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.67, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.93, BAYES_20 -0.74, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net A friend asked me to purchase a wireless router for her which I will do later today. She uses a laptop (D-Link DWL-G630 H/W Ver. C2 PCMCIA card with atheros chipset) running Ubuntu. I realize most if not all wireless routers should work with this setup but I'd prefer to support a Linux-friendly brand (or at the very least, avoid Linux-unfriendly brands). I'll probably look for a 2-4 port router with a wireless access point. Any brand recommendations? -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 11:17:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GHjAu008799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:17:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15GHjhY008798 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:17:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GHjtE008794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:17:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GHiQ3027290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:17:45 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f8.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.97]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GHT5k025191 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:17:29 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:17:28 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.35 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:17:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.35] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] live, command-line distro recommendations Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:17:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Feb 2006 16:17:28.0690 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8B66520:01C62A6F] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.289, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.31, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Sick Twist" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] live, command-line distro recommendations >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 20:18:53 -0500 > >I'm in search of a command line oriented Linux distro that runs off a live >CD. I am familiar with SystemRescueCD [http://www.sysresccd.org/] and like >it a lot. However, it does not appear to be actively maintained at the >moment. Does anyone know of a similiar distro? I'm not opposed to distros >that do include X but a boot option to refrain from starting X >automatically would be needed at the very least. Thanks in advance for your >recommendations. > >-Jonathon > I appreciate all of the replies to my original question above. I don't know why but it had never crossed my mind that a distro such as Knoppix could just be forced to boot in command line mode via a kernel option. In any case, I wanted to let the list know that the original distro for which I wanted a replacement (SystemRescueCD) has been updated with a new version that was released days ago. Here is the changelog in case anyone is interested: http://www.sysresccd.org/changes-x86.en.php -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 11:18:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GIFWg008815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:18:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15GIFxU008814 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:18:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GIFcc008810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:18:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GIFo5027306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:18:15 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15GI1N9025238 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:18:01 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.116.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU800BMH2LWTBQ6@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:17:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:17:37 -0500 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Router Recommendations In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43E62521.9030109@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.275, required 6, AWL 0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sick Twist wrote: > A friend asked me to purchase a wireless router for her which I will > do later today. She uses a laptop (D-Link DWL-G630 H/W Ver. C2 PCMCIA > card with atheros chipset) running Ubuntu. I realize most if not all > wireless routers should work with this setup but I'd prefer to support > a Linux-friendly brand (or at the very least, avoid Linux-unfriendly > brands). I'll probably look for a 2-4 port router with a wireless > access point. Any brand recommendations? > > -Jonathon How about a router that runs linux like the WRT 54G V1 2 3 or the new WRT54GX .... I good really fun routers with great distance on them and features. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 12:29:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15HT8Y2009308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:29:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15HT8O2009307 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:29:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15HT7C6009303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:29:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15HT7et029934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:29:07 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.203]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15HSueQ021451 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:28:56 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 14so993144nzn for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:28:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YpabpNSd3eBUMo5ZsRkcq6ytmbnAhZJ7Wikqku04smwBu6tdrNNt2O6J/Ee7Ai549tNfCoMH1u3JYwvssbHMmR5c/dgTL/6qCYgjq9JDmVrjG5Cfulq5yreLTNwEYRivdF1MTD9E5hgNGPC1lTendRaWO1ahS/Uy4U7R92UqkiM= Received: by 10.65.150.19 with SMTP id c19mr111205qbo; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.96.14 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:28:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:28:55 -0500 From: Dylan Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: Ralink chipsets In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.039, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k15HT8C5009304 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 2006/2/5, Sick Twist : > >From: Dylan Hardison > >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >To: Slug List > >Subject: [SLUG] Re: Ralink chipsets > >Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:43:22 -0500 > > > >2006/2/4, Dylan Hardison : > > > Here's that list of products with Ralink chipsets, as discussed at the > > > Monday meeting. > > > > > > The RT2500 ones are the ones with open source drivers; > > > the RT2600 series will have open source drivers, but they're still in > > > development. > > > >Grr, NTS: Disable gmail hotkeys. > >Here's the link: > >http://ralink.rapla.net/ > > > > Great link--thanks! > > Regretfully, I was unable to make it to the Linux wireless talk at the last > St. Petersburg SLUG meeting. Perhaps for the benefit of those on the list > such as myself, you could mention a few of the key points made at the > meeting. > > Some other wireless driver projects such as madwifi [http://madwifi.org/] > require the use of a closed binary layer. Does the ralink driver taint the > kernel as well or is it completely open? > Really the only point is Ralink has open source drivers -- originally produced BY Ralink. It's one of a few chipset companies that releases specs and source code. And it's one of only a few 802.11g that have linux support (although this is getting better). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 12:39:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15HdOdt009370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:39:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15HdOTp009369 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:39:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15HdNVD009365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:39:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15HdNl5030293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:39:23 -0500 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15Hd40v004469 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:39:04 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AC74F49A for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:39:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E6383A.6000300@mathey.org> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:39:06 -0500 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wireless Router Recommendations References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.973, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.63, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sick Twist wrote: > A friend asked me to purchase a wireless router for her which I will do > later today. She uses a laptop (D-Link DWL-G630 H/W Ver. C2 PCMCIA card > with atheros chipset) running Ubuntu. I realize most if not all wireless > routers should work with this setup but I'd prefer to support a > Linux-friendly brand (or at the very least, avoid Linux-unfriendly > brands). I'll probably look for a 2-4 port router with a wireless access > point. Any brand recommendations? > > -Jonathon > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Definetly Linksys WRT45G. There are some really good code out there that can run on it that give you extra features. For example I have the Sveasoft talisman code which allows me to use WDS to connect 2 WRT45G's wirelessly to provide greater coverage in my house. My main router is in my office. On the other side of the house I didn't get good signal on the porch. I used WDS to link up the second WRT45G and now have full signal. http://www.linksysinfo.org/ for more info. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 16:06:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15L6tKJ010872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15L6tGm010871 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15L6tfb010867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15L6tbN004677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:55 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15L6fU5001051 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:42 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 37so1092880wra for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:06:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j9visb1uaFa/+c5S/I3wtje4aASB0jalkw9Vv9DtcW6qZlppQETqYczWSFhtMJT4Rj/MjeQsbCwXZq3AHKEUIgDfMHvlAWuAwRd90mMnhAtsFhHUiZi6pFumr6WyDuAr+45/WRMb35gvNyr0adhCXLpjoPkPHwO5FJHobCsNTYs= Received: by 10.54.103.8 with SMTP id a8mr6246629wrc; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.136.5 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:06:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:06:41 -0500 From: Alex Harris To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] linksys wireless router power adaptor needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k15L6tfa010868 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Over the very stormy weekend the power adaptor for the linksys wireless router I have blew out. The router itself is fine (sliced off the wire from the adaptor and connected it to a atx power supply (5v line)), I just need a permanat way to power it (that doesn't involve cut wires and tape). If anyone knows where i could get one I'd appreciate it. specs: 5v, 2.5A DC positive core, negative outside model: wrt55ag ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 5 17:07:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15M7RYd011309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k15M7Riw011308 for slug-track29; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15M7R06011304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15M7RO1006800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:27 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k15M6xh2021869 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:07:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([71.243.236.162]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU80083TIRIVU81@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:06:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:06:55 -0500 From: Bill Glidden Subject: Re: [SLUG] linksys wireless router power adaptor needed In-reply-to: To: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-topic: [SLUG] linksys wireless router power adaptor needed Thread-index: AcYqoHmbuBvD0JaTEdq/7AARJM7jCA== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Radio Shack usually sells various power adapters. On 2/5/06 4:06 PM, "Alex Harris" wrote: > Over the very stormy weekend the power adaptor for the linksys > wireless router I have blew out. The router itself is fine (sliced > off the wire from the adaptor and connected it to a atx power supply > (5v line)), I just need a permanat way to power it (that doesn't > involve cut wires and tape). If anyone knows where i could get one > I'd appreciate it. > > specs: 5v, 2.5A DC positive core, negative outside > model: wrt55ag > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 6 13:19:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k16IJY5g020047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:19:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k16IJYqZ020046 for slug-track29; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:19:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k16IJX6R020042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:19:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k16IJX7E000927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:19:33 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k177EKHE030484 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 02:14:20 -0500 Received: from gibson (653249hfc175.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.49.175]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k16IJI8M003560 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.2/252]); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:19:21 -0500 Message-ID: <43E79328.3080707@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:19:20 -0500 From: "Eric A. Hicks" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] VMWare Server - free, as in beer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net VMWare just released a beta server product for free today. http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ What's great is the variety of OS's that you can download and run on it already. http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/community.html Anything from firewall servers to Linux distros of many flavors. Definitely worth checking out. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 6 13:29:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k16ITnsX020139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:29:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k16ITnJQ020138 for slug-track29; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:29:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k16ITnS1020134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:29:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k16ITmRc001323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:29:48 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.206]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k16ITbO4010036 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:29:37 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so799995wxc for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:29:36 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qgWvyGzUOV+oScO/1cTwUkDe8kIfpsYQXpVzYJt+dOudw8YyQgBBpm7eoSiXw1ddAL5d+YPzBf9OZoe71whIlkdeMkb9Azn0VVQpYrAPg+sTQ1ElNEDKTj1YRsidRy1zBVz1uN8JbyTkf/Id55FGJHScbO7UEzUjMR00NHFx+U8= Received: by 10.70.112.16 with SMTP id k16mr2742180wxc; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.27.13 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:29:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 13:29:35 -0500 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VMWare Server - free, as in beer In-Reply-To: <43E79328.3080707@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43E79328.3080707@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k16ITnS0020135 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net been running VMWare for about a year now, never had a problem with it under Knoppix 3.8 only time ive had to restart was under SLAX, worked well but very rough and clunky. On 2/6/06, Eric A. Hicks wrote: > VMWare just released a beta server product for free today. > http://www.vmware.com/products/server/ > > What's great is the variety of OS's that you can download and run on it > already. http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/vm/community.html Anything from > firewall servers to Linux distros of many flavors. Definitely worth > checking out. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 7 08:05:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k17D5PYC028096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:05:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k17D5PXq028095 for slug-track29; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:05:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k17D5Oos028091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:05:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k17D5LjT027080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:05:21 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k181xpcJ029883 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:59:51 -0500 Received: from [71.98.144.66] by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUB001X9J0BII34@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:04:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:15:49 -0500 From: Maureen L Thomas Subject: [SLUG] graphics progarms To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43E94645.3070704@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net does anyone know of a free graphics program for linux that will open .art ending? 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(photo.man@24.96.99.108) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 13:42:35 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics progarms From: John Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <43E94645.3070704@verizon.net> References: <43E94645.3070704@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1139319796.4743.8.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:43:17 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Maureen, Try XnView - .art is an AOL compression format for graphics. http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enxnview.html from URL above: XnView (1.82/1.70) exists for Windows, MacOS X, Linux x86, Linux ppc, FreeBSD x86, OpenBSD x86, NetBSD x86, Solaris sparc, Solaris x86, Irix mips, HP-UX, AIX ! -- hopes this helps -- JB On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 20:15, Maureen L Thomas wrote: > does anyone know of a free graphics program for linux that will open > .art ending? 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 08:13:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18DDIdb006234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:13:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k18DDIQp006233 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:13:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18DDIct006229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:13:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18DDGou003747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:13:16 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18DD4OC031405 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:13:04 -0500 Received: from [71.98.144.66] by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUD008S9E1RVH53@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:13:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:24:07 -0500 From: Maureen L Thomas Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics progarms In-reply-to: <1139319796.4743.8.camel@biostar.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43EA99B7.7070408@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <43E94645.3070704@verizon.net> <1139319796.4743.8.camel@biostar.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.168, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 2.77) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net thanks John, i appreciate the help John Brown wrote: >Hi Maureen, >Try XnView - .art is an AOL compression format for graphics. > >http://perso.wanadoo.fr/pierre.g/xnview/enxnview.html > >from URL above: >XnView (1.82/1.70) exists for Windows, MacOS X, Linux x86, Linux ppc, >FreeBSD x86, OpenBSD x86, NetBSD x86, Solaris sparc, Solaris x86, Irix >mips, HP-UX, AIX ! > >-- hopes this helps -- JB > >On Tue, 2006-02-07 at 20:15, Maureen L Thomas wrote: > > >>does anyone know of a free graphics program for linux that will open >>.art ending? 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 10:28:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18FSubK007294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:28:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k18FSuV9007293 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:28:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18FStut007289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:28:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18FStiq010628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:28:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18FScY6003758 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:28:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.200] (158-109.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.109.158]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k18FSXNr022055 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.2/253]); Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:28:44 -0500 Message-ID: <43EA0E2C.7050408@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:28:44 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Mail check References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has the list been very quiet or I'm not getting my mail ./B ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 10:47:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18Flai1007427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:47:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k18Flaps007426 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:47:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18FlaOB007422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:47:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18FlZIi011408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:47:36 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18FlSIp010068 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:47:28 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so2066686wra for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:47:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MSJJErsTFbGtpE7EaTOIK/h0rAiu4xBojW2eko6b9+GOAHZ0aDGltGaJSAUeNIkjE4HfC8utsh54DOZMXvCEB3VuEr46hotol6RM0d7Xybfdr1wCQLoDWUOAH1x/T3TmBusPG8Rsobwyy3+y2inw/i8KpFYHLLAcZk9e+xptkz0= Received: by 10.54.114.14 with SMTP id m14mr627689wrc; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 07:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.96.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:47:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:47:27 -0600 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail check In-Reply-To: <43EA0E2C.7050408@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <43EA0E2C.7050408@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.532, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k18FlaOA007423 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Has the list been very quiet or I'm not getting my mail Be vewwy, vewwy, quiet - we're hunting daemons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 11:41:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18GfPZp007839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:41:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k18GfOIS007838 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:41:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18GfOYk007834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:41:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18GfOgF013516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:41:24 -0500 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k18GfFrO032082 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:41:15 -0500 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95CF2BF59D for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:41:13 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail check From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <43EA0E2C.7050408@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:41:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1139416873.4124.21.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.209, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.39, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 09:47 -0600, Levi Bard wrote: > > Has the list been very quiet or I'm not getting my mail > > Be vewwy, vewwy, quiet - we're hunting daemons. (keeping with the *nix theme...) I awk'd I saw a putty stat......I dd I dd! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 19:37:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k190bpbd011257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:37:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k190bprN011256 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:37:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k190boTD011252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:37:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k190bok5000592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:37:50 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k190bf5O018751 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:37:41 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060209003743.FWJU4002.centrmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 19:37:43 -0500 Message-ID: <43EA9D90.4010903@cox.net> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 19:40:32 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail check References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <43EA0E2C.7050408@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> <1139416873.4124.21.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1139416873.4124.21.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.46, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mike Branda wrote: >On Wed, 2006-02-08 at 09:47 -0600, Levi Bard wrote: > > >>>Has the list been very quiet or I'm not getting my mail >>> >>> >>Be vewwy, vewwy, quiet - we're hunting daemons. >> >> > >(keeping with the *nix theme...) > >I awk'd I saw a putty stat......I dd I dd! > > > > I just thought we were taking a nap. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 20:24:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k191Ota8011650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:24:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k191Os7R011649 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:24:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k191OsNh011645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:24:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k191Orjp002507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:24:54 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k191OVfv004377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:24:32 -0500 Received: (qmail 13044 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 17:28:21 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 17:28:21 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B0856A18 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 18:27:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E689F8.5070004@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:27:52 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] KDE replacement for GNOME component Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.666, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.80, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anyone know what the KDE equivalent of "gnome-volume-control" is? (Keep in mind that I do not run KDE, but I run KDE and GNOME components like the above.) Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 21:34:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k192YcsS012147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:34:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k192Yce7012146 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:34:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k192YcIZ012142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:34:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k192Ybop005283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:34:38 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k192YLO0010068 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:34:21 -0500 Received: from pool-27.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.87] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 4.90b/96) id 585DL00 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:32:20 -0500 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] firefox & email Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:37:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602082137.19736.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.28, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.28) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers. Somehow managed to lose the feature in firefox, that when you click on an email address in a page, it opens a mail for you to compose and send. This happened to me once before but I don't remember how I fixed it. I think that I looked everywhere. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 8 21:36:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k192ahAp012168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:36:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k192ahv4012167 for slug-track29; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:36:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k192ag4g012163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:36:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k192agHO005391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 21:36:42 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k19FV63K023594 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:31:06 -0500 Received: from arthur.joe-di.net ([71.100.238.69]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUE00GKXF8VBG70@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:36:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:48:36 -0500 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] KDE replacement for GNOME component In-reply-to: <43E689F8.5070004@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200602080848.36300.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <43E689F8.5070004@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.217, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 1.25, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 05 February 2006 18:27, Paul M Foster wrote: > Anyone know what the KDE equivalent of "gnome-volume-control" is? (Keep > in mind that I do not run KDE, but I run KDE and GNOME components like > the above.) > > Paul kmix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 9 20:41:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A1f9os022156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:41:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1A1f9JI022153 for slug-track29; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:41:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A1f8F8022145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:41:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A1f7YW000605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:41:07 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A1esSI020452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:40:55 -0500 Received: (qmail 5882 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2006 08:28:18 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2006 08:28:18 -0600 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C4A04833D9; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:20:31 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060206142031.C4A04833D9@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:20:31 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.226, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.24, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 14 February 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 21 February 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) Sarasota Commerce Center II Conference Room, left inside main entrance 101 Arthur Anderson Pkwy Sarasota, FL 34232 See http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=101+Arthur+Anderson+Parkway,+Sarasota,+FL+34232 for a map. DUNEDIN ************************************************** 25 February 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 27 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) J. J. Rohrer Sterling Square 600 First Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://maps.google.com/maps?q=600+First+Ave+N,+Saint+Petersburg,+FL&spn=0.017456,0.027210&hl=en for map. BRANDON ************************************************** 2 March 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 4 March 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! (And don't forget to start your installs early!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 9 23:01:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A41dLa023199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:01:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1A41dUK023198 for slug-track29; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:01:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A41cv9023194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:01:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A41cQ7005192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:01:38 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao03.cox.net (centrmmtao03.cox.net [70.168.83.81]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A41Scs025710 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:01:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060210040127.YHXV613.centrmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:01:27 -0500 Message-ID: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:04:22 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] sharing drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.419, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Is it possible to have a box read and write to a removable media drive on another box in the network? ie-cd/dvd-rw? If so, how difficult a task is this? There are several machines on my home network and it just seems dumb to have to buy cd-burners for each of them. Thanks. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 00:22:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5M4fp023797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:22:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1A5M4vn023796 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:22:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5M3o2023792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:22:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5M38Z010039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:22:03 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5LrFu032210 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:21:53 -0500 Received: from [70.210.115.133] by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUG00IS4HK9XHI6@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:21:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:22:08 -0500 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings In-reply-to: <20060206142031.C4A04833D9@sherman.mars.lan> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43EC2300.1080503@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20060206142031.C4A04833D9@sherman.mars.lan> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > ************************************* > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > * Meeting Schedule * > ************************************* > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > 21 February 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Tuesday of each month) > > Sarasota Commerce Center II > Conference Room, left inside main entrance > 101 Arthur Anderson Pkwy > Sarasota, FL 34232 > > See http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=101+Arthur+Anderson+Parkway,+Sarasota,+FL+34232 > for a map. Hi Everybody! The discussion at the last Sarasota meeting centered around the fact that we couldn't use the conference room at SCC II any more. Have we gotten a reprieve? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 00:36:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5aigQ023894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:36:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1A5aikj023893 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:36:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5ailN023889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:36:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5ahff011469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:36:44 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.193]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1A5Zlus009789 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:35:47 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so367994nzf for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:35:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uAJXXlC0Ua8m2IWjzhJJ/UaxrKR1F1qRTvlRN+F29gh81x4Bsxgo/xwoy5Z/Beknt8Asjb3ceMmL9amc8Pj+t13pvrqoBSi5iUwDU5W1Ssku0FSMW9hmEjv7ZSBjPmmS990IHuD8Z6PaIDIJ/VHPw1RFAHnA1LqVwSMa/cGIVig= Received: by 10.65.145.7 with SMTP id x7mr335557qbn; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 21:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.14 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 21:35:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:35:46 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: SLUG Listserve Subject: [SLUG] Java Crashes My Browser! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1A5ailM023890 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Film at 11... No, seriously. I am running Kubuntu, the preview release of Dapper Drake (Flight 3). I just installed the JVM from Sun 1.5. I made the requisite symlinks in the /plugins folder and everything. Java aplets load to completion then crash the browser. I have tried everything I could think of to get this to work to no avail.... Anyone seen this error before? Maybe a little help? C'mon, show a little love! -- Dave Lowe ____________________________________________ HAIL THE EMPIRE! http://www.issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 05:16:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AAGp4o026077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:16:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AAGpaK026076 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:16:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AAGoNU026072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:16:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AAGoIw028090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:16:50 -0500 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f17.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.106]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AAGOsI032690 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:16:25 -0500 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:16:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.35 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:16:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.35] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Java Crashes My Browser! Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:16:23 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2006 10:16:24.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BD18630:01C62E2B] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.325, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_20 -0.74, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Dave Lowe >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: SLUG Listserve >Subject: [SLUG] Java Crashes My Browser! >Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:35:46 -0500 > >Film at 11... > >No, seriously. > >I am running Kubuntu, the preview release of Dapper Drake (Flight 3). >I just installed the JVM from Sun 1.5. I made the requisite symlinks >in the /plugins folder and everything. > >Java aplets load to completion then crash the browser. I have tried >everything I could think of to get this to work to no avail.... > >Anyone seen this error before? Maybe a little help? > >C'mon, show a little love! > >-- >Dave Lowe Since Dapper is under development, every package is a moving target. What works today may not work tomorrow and vice versa as everything is continuously being altered. Perhaps you should file a bug report (if one does not already exist) in Malone, the bug tracker which is part of the Launchpad project: https://launchpad.net/malone For those not familiar with Launchpad, it is a project that offers various services designed for collaboration between FOSS projects. For instance, Malone can be used to track upstream bugs as well as bugs specific to various distributions. More info here: https://launchpad.net/malone/+about -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 05:57:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AAvu4w026302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:57:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AAvuUl026301 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:57:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AAvunU026297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:57:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AAvt2u029432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:57:56 -0500 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ANq8Yo018266 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:52:08 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (115-5.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.200.5.115]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA17F1407C54 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:57:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43EC71A9.2080507@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:57:45 -0500 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sharing drives References: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > Is it possible to have a box read and write to a removable media drive > on another box in the network? ie-cd/dvd-rw? If so, how difficult a > task is this? There are several machines on my home network and it > just seems dumb to have to buy cd-burners for each of them. Thanks. > You could plan on burning everything from one burner drive, perhaps making shares on each pc for the data to be pulled from. Alternative is to have one central pc/server that the data that is burner is hosted on. Several things can cause problems/annoyances. How much data is being burned? 700 mb transfered over a network is not bad. 24 gigs can be annoying. More frequent problem, is data latency over the network. I would rather have the data local, than over the network to avoid making to many 'coasters'/dead CD's. Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 06:47:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ABl8FG026681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:47:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1ABl8f2026680 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:47:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ABl7hT026676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:47:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ABl7hD031252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:47:07 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.203]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ABl0dr026949 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:47:01 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so310414wxc for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:47:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sErnNKy6PTxtowqlXfmLB86JAeyg1/Bi8lQf0eymm/BDQq14cRjhP7vFusoULWp5xHL/cW5447Pn5skItqhvGW22JjEgllZZdvsO1F03srD37MQVVNtXlekBWH//qpzPlUaER8RPI6XKAfi1Jz4WsAT/gCLuKqEpWGAGciHjofo= Received: by 10.70.21.4 with SMTP id 4mr106792wxu; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.23.16 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 03:46:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5a7495c60602100346n5a92d6d4ud929318ebe9453f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:46:59 -0500 From: clever guy To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail check In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9198_12938206.1139572019333" References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <61598.68.142.6.225.1139012260.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <43EA0E2C.7050408@tampabay.rr.com> <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.598, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_9198_12938206.1139572019333 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just got my new ISP in Daytona (Ormond Beach, actually) and couldn't figure out why I wasn't getting anything. But this gmail account IS gettin= g some of the traffic. My RR account got one day of traffic, then nothing fo= r a week. I sent Paul a message direct, but got nothing back. I'm wondering if RR is blocking somehow. I hate it when computers try to "help". Ken ---------------------- On 2/8/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > > Has the list been very quiet or I'm not getting my mail > > Be vewwy, vewwy, quiet - we're hunting daemons. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_9198_12938206.1139572019333 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just got my new ISP in Daytona (Ormond Beach, actually) and couldn't figu= re out why I wasn't getting anything.  But this gmail account IS getti= ng some of the traffic.  My RR account got one day of traffic, then no= thing for a week.  I sent Paul a message direct, but got nothing back.=   I'm wondering if RR is blocking somehow.  I hate it when comput= ers try to "help".

Ken
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On 2/8/06, Levi Bard <taktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktakt= ak@gmail.com > wrote:
> Has the list been very quiet or I'm not getting my mail

Be= vewwy, vewwy, quiet - we're hunting daemons.

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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 07:00:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC0h3Q026817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:00:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AC0hSr026816 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:00:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC0gE1026812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:00:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC0g8q031756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:00:42 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.198]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC0YmX028525 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:00:35 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so312228wxc for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:00:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gE60MY+0ukUF+t/D/y3Ktqb73OdhvLLidzokHmlQvVtEhk4E4j8kcHEH1GwH3CjdgqlLgzDhyIf8ytzNba6rMqazz9N+xNJ/4MsbNOjVzhPqV2sKSmbWb1s7SbVETMVu0ZVu8R7nJ8SlVePqN4AKnUDmOiydoJcmjVnaCuCdUkc= Received: by 10.70.19.6 with SMTP id 6mr1327198wxs; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:00:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.23.16 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:00:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5a7495c60602100400w6617747ap54bd07316001ec94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:00:34 -0500 From: clever guy To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sharing drives In-Reply-To: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9322_4920717.1139572834636" References: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.612, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_9322_4920717.1139572834636 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In theory, this might be possible. However, I don't know of any utility that will allow this. Perhaps someone knows of one. The issue is transfer speed. Once you start burning a CD/DVD, you have to have the data available in a constant stream. If the stream is interupted, the burn fails and you have made a coster. Modern drives have rather large buffers that will tolerate short interuptions, as long as the buffer is not emptied. The burning program needs local access to the drive, but it _might_ be possible to trick the application into reading from a shared network drive. But what you CAN do, is setup a shared folder on the PC with the CD/DVD writer. From any machine, copy files to the shared folder, then go to the Writer PC and burn the files there. Someone really clever might be able to write an application that checks the folder, sees the existance of files, waits a minute or two, then launches the buring app, then deletes all the files. Of course, you still have to walk over there and drop in the disc, so you're not really saving much effort. The other option that might work is to create a "BurnCD" shared folder on each PC, then (from the Writer PC) try to read from the remote PC's shared folder and write to the local CD/DVD drive. I doubt this will work well, but its woth a try. This won't save much leg work vs. the previous method. Let us know what you find. Ken ----------------------------- On 2/10/06, michael hast wrote: > > Is it possible to have a box read and write to a removable media drive > on another box in the network? ie-cd/dvd-rw? If so, how difficult a > task is this? There are several machines on my home network and it just > seems dumb to have to buy cd-burners for each of them. Thanks. > > -- > --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) > I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_9322_4920717.1139572834636 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline In theory, this might be possible.  However, I don't know of any utili= ty that will allow this.  Perhaps someone knows of one.

The iss= ue is transfer speed.  Once you start burning a CD/DVD, you have to ha= ve the data available in a constant stream.  If the stream is interupt= ed, the burn fails and you have made a coster.  Modern drives have rat= her large buffers that will tolerate short interuptions, as long as the buf= fer is not emptied.  The burning program needs local access to the dri= ve, but it _might_ be possible to trick the application into reading from a= shared network drive.

But what you CAN do, is setup a shared folder on the PC with the CD= /DVD writer.  From any machine, copy files to the shared folder, then = go to the Writer PC and burn the files there.  Someone really clever m= ight be able to write an application that checks the folder, sees the exist= ance of files, waits a minute or two, then launches the buring app, then de= letes all the files.  Of course, you still have to walk over there and= drop in the disc, so you're not really saving much effort.

The other option that might work is to create a "BurnCD" = shared folder on each PC, then (from the Writer PC) try to read from the re= mote PC's shared folder and write to the local CD/DVD drive.  I doubt = this will work well, but its woth a try.  This won't save much leg wor= k vs. the previous method.

Let us know what you find.

Ken
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On 2/10/06, michael hast <evyl= robot19@cox.net > wrote:
Is it possible to have a box read and write to a removable media drive
on another box in the network?  ie-cd/dvd-rw?  If s= o, how difficult a
task is this?  There are several machines o= n my home network and it just
seems dumb to have to buy cd-burners for e= ach of them.  Thanks.

--
--Michael Hast  (the evyl robot)
I'm not picking my nose= .  I'm pulling things out of it.

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------=_Part_9322_4920717.1139572834636-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 07:05:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC5foA026851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AC5ftx026850 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC5fll026846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC5fp3031935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:41 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.200]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AC5ZLX028867 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:35 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so312872wxc for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:05:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=mcD7ykG55YOTjJDugsfLUCDswbcBS+lafiDty90HAqB54BvRrd9qi4xH3QpEr0YGLCvcjskANq4kuYd9DlOfxYFK8wvP+49sF7TU3rSeCJWRDrG603YkoOpq97qJLi/qV5r2usEiXEcOtmp4o+63lQsT0pzMhcMtwFSnwfnW1ec= Received: by 10.70.80.7 with SMTP id d7mr253385wxb; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.23.16 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 04:05:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5a7495c60602100405u4ed90efdn61cc9624e725634c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:05:35 -0500 From: clever guy To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SLUGers in Daytona Beach Area MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9362_21434946.1139573135365" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.353, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_9362_21434946.1139573135365 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just move into the Daytona Area. Are any of you guys in the area? I was thinking of putting together a LUG meeting, perhaps at the Advanced Technology Center. Any interest? Ken ---------------- ------=_Part_9362_21434946.1139573135365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just move into the Daytona Area.  Are any of you guys in the area?&n= bsp; I was thinking of putting together a LUG meeting, perhaps at the Advan= ced Technology Center.  Any interest?

Ken
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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 13:20:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AIKTTp029500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:20:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AIKSob029499 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:20:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AIKSFj029495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:20:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AIKSqG014746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:20:28 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AIKDxB000526 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:20:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (245-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.245]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1AIKB4C023111 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:20:12 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Hillsborough County Public Library Cooperative: Services Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:23:00 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602101323.01096.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.846, required 6, AWL -0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60, nks_20050712_75 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.hcplc.org/hcplc/tech/wireless/wifi.html Most Libraries in Hillsborough County are free Wifi Hotspots. I successfully connected with SUSE 10 a D-Link DWL-650 Linux setup. They say nothing about Linux. At the main Library downtown, I got a connection that felt faster than RoadRunner. On SUSE 10 you do need the ACX100 patch for the card's firmware which installed automatically when I selected it on YAST update. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 14:06:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJ6BYL029798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:06:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AJ6BQF029797 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:06:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJ6BFo029793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:06:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJ6Beq016052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:06:11 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.194]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJ5Xjr007404 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:05:33 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so385556wxc for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:05:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Av55rrZPDjSoxVY1isW9YiW4syFoZGosp+XEyFq+7AXMhL5OOTs5kAYYuYYdkceKdUug+E9Hb6x0Ua9SWFeRp0m/YH0Doy2KzhlZh474+cWxQ/Lv45D0uMyXj/jMiS7TB8YlUJns9/81lUhg/uFw/DvPLUAxhOZ/IFtmvnjl9IM= Received: by 10.70.87.7 with SMTP id k7mr667254wxb; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.15.111? ( [70.124.189.102]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i14sm1720197wxd.2006.02.10.11.05.32; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:05:32 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <200602101323.01096.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200602101323.01096.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <53BA9522-9A74-4DED-9447-E8EC0CD3425D@gmail.com> From: Steven Buehler Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hillsborough County Public Library Cooperative: Services Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:05:29 -0500 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.511, required 6, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1AJ6BFn029794 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Same goes for the Lakeland Public Library. The main branch on Lake Mirror has free wi-fi. There is free wi-fi in downtown Lakeland around Munn Park, but it's painfully slow. Most Panera restaurant locations also now have free wi-fi, and if I remember from my last attempt, the Bennigan's that our Tampa colleagues socialize at after their meeting has wi-fi. Steven W. Buehler | swbuehler@gmail.com Web Page: http://www.sanctuaryweb.org Instant Messengers: stevenbuehlerfl (AIM) | stevenwbuehler (Yahoo!) | stevenwbuehler@msn.com (MSN Msgr.) | 342601403 (ICQ) | Skype™: swbuehler PGP/GnuPG Key (for private messages): http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/ lookup?op=get&search=0xB6FAFE79 On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:23 PM, Richard Smoot wrote: > http://www.hcplc.org/hcplc/tech/wireless/wifi.html > > Most Libraries in Hillsborough County are free Wifi Hotspots. > I successfully connected with SUSE 10 a D-Link DWL-650 Linux setup. > They say nothing about Linux. At the main Library downtown, I got a > connection that felt faster than RoadRunner. > On SUSE 10 you do need the ACX100 patch for the card's firmware which > installed automatically when I selected it on YAST update. > > Richard Smoot > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1AJFER8029844 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/10/06, Sick Twist wrote: > Since Dapper is under development, every package is a moving target. What > works today may not work tomorrow and vice versa as everything is > continuously being altered. Perhaps you should file a bug report Is this the best answer from Slugadonia? File a bug report? I Googled it, too, and no help there. Has anyone seen this? I would hate to miss cool Java content because my browser keeps crashing. -- Dave Lowe ____________________________________________ HAIL THE EMPIRE! http://www.issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 14:39:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJd7cp030056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AJd7SG030055 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJd78U030051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJd6N1017158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:39:06 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AJcsJB031795 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:38:55 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so505577wra for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:38:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iyT+vt8dB8KOAhRVpGdvLVjRZhGF5lc13Tgg8zsYEgvoJFrKdw14OWI+5kVVrlmwPR8G7fblAiv7lPeSFHupgIe6zBvpyqehgTZ7SycXTYjAMOelZijrPehpFyYLAfV/q4OSx2kqlynC4YQefcDcz180UjoUJZK+0RMCGfk7mvw= Received: by 10.54.123.3 with SMTP id v3mr1047717wrc; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.96.3 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:38:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602101138w4738c794p7b55e51db087ee5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:38:52 -0600 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Java Crashes My Browser! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.269, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.33, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1AJd78T030052 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Is this the best answer from Slugadonia? File a bug report? I Googled > it, too, and no help there. Has anyone seen this? I would hate to miss > cool Java content because my browser keeps crashing. What version of what browser? Have you tried other browsers? Do you get an error message on the console? 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 15:03:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AK3xAR030255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AK3xin030254 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AK3weq030250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AK3wOt018027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:58 -0500 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (40-38.121-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.121.38.40]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B8vpWM028159 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:57:57 -0500 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id CCF9991D74; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [131.247.23.177] (dhcp23-177.laptops.usf.edu [131.247.23.177]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280E5919CC for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:03:15 -0500 From: "Tom E. Craddock Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.047, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 2.05) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Subject: [SLUG] Linux Kiosk @ USF Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi, Ive recently started working at USF in the registrar/admissions office as a support tech. Its part time, I like the work, and the people here are great. Im not sure how many of you are familiar with USF in Tampa, but here in the Registar's office, we have 10 PCs set up that allow students to logon to Oasis (which is the student/faculty web app/portal). It gives them access to class registration, paying for classes, etc. The PCs are now running Win 2000, using Active Desktop to make the home page (set to the Oasis Announcment page) the background. They do allow the students to check email thru their USF accounts, and Ive been told they would like to allow students to access webmail esp so they can check thier own email (gmail, yahoo, hotmail, whatever) in case there are classes or professors listed in the emails that they need access to while using Oasis here in our office. Ive been told that I can switch all the PCs over to linux. My boss' like the idea of using linux, they like the fact that many students wont be able to/arent able to 'mess up linux like they can Windows', and that any web exploits are mainly targeted to IE and windows boxes, as well as spyware/adware. Ive been thinking of how best to do this, and would like input from the list. Heres what Im thinking so far, please correct me if Im wrong. Id install Kubuntu (Im a KDE fan) Breezy Badger on a server. This would be my LTSP server (using Ubuntu since LTSP has been integrated into this distro). That machine would have either one 20 GB and one 100 GB HDD, the 20 GB holding the OS for the server, the 100GB holding all my boot images/kernels/fs needed for my clients and wold be exported w/NFS to each client for /home and the like. Ive never used LTSP before, but have been reading all I can on thier site and wiki to get some ideas of the software. Is it correct in my thinking that I would make just one boot image/kernel, and then all 10 PCs would be able to use that same kernel as long as each PC had the same hardware; or no matter what hardware the machines have, identical or not, they would all use a diff kernel? Hope that question made sense. I thought that LTSP would just use one kernel that all 10 PCs would use, so upgrading is as easy as just upgrading one kernel and fs, and all PCs would be updated, or is that incorrect? The 10 PCs we have now are all at least P2s Ive been told, but havent checked. Id hopefully be able to boot each one with netboot thru the BIOS using the network interface, but can always get around that with a boot floppy if need be. Im looking for a solution thats mainly easy to keep working (no downtime is good, the PCs are only on 9 hours a day, so its not 24/7 at least) and is easy to deploy to at least 10 diff machines, maybe scalable if the powers that be like it enough. Does anyone have any suggestions for that idea? Id like to be able to keep on using the PCs we already have, as that keeps costs to nothing (well except my pay hehe). Is there anyone thats deployed LTSP in a similar env, and if so, have any tips? I appreciate it, and look forward to the lists reply. Tom Craddock ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 15:44:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKiHTp030542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:44:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AKiHlS030541 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:44:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKiG4M030537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:44:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKi8GP019385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:44:17 -0500 Received: from faceman.dreamhost.com (faceman.dreamhost.com [205.196.210.16]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKhr2C006250 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:43:54 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by faceman.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A5916247C for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail check Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:43:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> <5a7495c60602100346n5a92d6d4ud929318ebe9453f3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5a7495c60602100346n5a92d6d4ud929318ebe9453f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602101543.46543.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.814, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 10 February 2006 06:46, clever guy wrote: > I just got my new ISP in Daytona (Ormond Beach, actually) and couldn't > figure out why I wasn't getting anything. But this gmail account IS > getting some of the traffic. My RR account got one day of traffic, then > nothing for a week. I sent Paul a message direct, but got nothing back. > I'm wondering if RR is blocking somehow. I hate it when computers try to > "help". Usually the best way to test your email is to send yourself one. If that works then email is working with your ISP. There's no real difference in how email coming from you is handled, than if it came from someone else. And you will know if the recipient received it and read it. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 15:52:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKq7db030591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AKq7QZ030590 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKq6KZ030586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKq6HX019620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:52:06 -0500 Received: from uproxy.gmail.com (uproxy.gmail.com [66.249.92.205]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKpmjH013656 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:49 -0500 Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id o2so7200uge for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:51:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AunZHHHbF3gsXSTOvJadZcDQajpJ6mFrXuRSSbAHEg0rqHse3+rrAgiWeQhg6Oy6rcIoGkXrf1HsqmZCGUtqN6N4xbqoVlCH4UZi991uIwknxFvspz29Dr5zUZDOd+m1CsD4TcEcubfDmSTuyoqEZR+bWEYUz2WipCafywoxO/8= Received: by 10.49.80.10 with SMTP id h10mr3024293nfl; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.254.18 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:51:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <701a1b330602101251p56d7a53ah20a9f8b4cf5093ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:48 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tevfik_Y=FCcek?= To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Kiosk @ USF In-Reply-To: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.286, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, MIME_8BIT_HEADER 0.30, TW_EV 0.08, TW_VF 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1AKq6KY030587 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Tom, I am a student in engineering. Our unix system admin set up 3 kiosk computers running linux (red hat?). They are for a similar purpose as your application. While chatting with him, he mentioned that only one computer can be connected to 3 monitors and do the same thing. He said he just did not have time to exploit it. I have no idea how you can do it but it would be much easier and better if you just use 1 computer and 10 displays. Maybe some other people from the list has a clue on this. I think it is worth to try. Good luck, Tevfik On 2/10/06, Tom E. Craddock Jr. wrote: > Hi, > > Ive recently started working at USF in the registrar/admissions office > as a support tech. Its part time, I like the work, and the people here > are great. Im not sure how many of you are familiar with USF in Tampa, > but here in the Registar's office, we have 10 PCs set up that allow > students to logon to Oasis (which is the student/faculty web > app/portal). It gives them access to class registration, paying for > classes, etc. The PCs are now running Win 2000, using Active Desktop to > make the home page (set to the Oasis Announcment page) the background. > They do allow the students to check email thru their USF accounts, and > Ive been told they would like to allow students to access webmail esp so > they can check thier own email (gmail, yahoo, hotmail, whatever) in case > there are classes or professors listed in the emails that they need > access to while using Oasis here in our office. > > Ive been told that I can switch all the PCs over to linux. My boss' > like the idea of using linux, they like the fact that many students wont > be able to/arent able to 'mess up linux like they can Windows', and that > any web exploits are mainly targeted to IE and windows boxes, as well as > spyware/adware. Ive been thinking of how best to do this, and would > like input from the list. > > Heres what Im thinking so far, please correct me if Im wrong. > > Id install Kubuntu (Im a KDE fan) Breezy Badger on a server. This would > be my LTSP server (using Ubuntu since LTSP has been integrated into this > distro). That machine would have either one 20 GB and one 100 GB HDD, > the 20 GB holding the OS for the server, the 100GB holding all my boot > images/kernels/fs needed for my clients and wold be exported w/NFS to > each client for /home and the like. Ive never used LTSP before, but > have been reading all I can on thier site and wiki to get some ideas of > the software. Is it correct in my thinking that I would make just one > boot image/kernel, and then all 10 PCs would be able to use that same > kernel as long as each PC had the same hardware; or no matter what > hardware the machines have, identical or not, they would all use a diff > kernel? Hope that question made sense. I thought that LTSP would just > use one kernel that all 10 PCs would use, so upgrading is as easy as > just upgrading one kernel and fs, and all PCs would be updated, or is > that incorrect? The 10 PCs we have now are all at least P2s Ive been > told, but havent checked. Id hopefully be able to boot each one with > netboot thru the BIOS using the network interface, but can always get > around that with a boot floppy if need be. > > Im looking for a solution thats mainly easy to keep working (no downtime > is good, the PCs are only on 9 hours a day, so its not 24/7 at least) > and is easy to deploy to at least 10 diff machines, maybe scalable if > the powers that be like it enough. Does anyone have any suggestions for > that idea? Id like to be able to keep on using the PCs we already have, > as that keeps costs to nothing (well except my pay hehe). Is there > anyone thats deployed LTSP in a similar env, and if so, have any tips? > I appreciate it, and look forward to the lists reply. > > Tom Craddock > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- Ciddiyet, marifetle mebsuten mütenasiptir. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 15:53:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKrtfI030609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:53:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AKrt45030608 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:53:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKrtKm030604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:53:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKrsgc019659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:53:55 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AKraAb007191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:53:36 -0500 Received: (qmail 20090 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 15:51:08 -0500 Received: from 208.205.82.65 ([208.205.82.65]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:07 -0500 Message-ID: <20060210155107.gps57r6iys08ssos@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:51:07 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Kiosk @ USF References: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> In-Reply-To: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.979, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.62, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I haven't had as good results with K/Ubuntu on older hardware as I have had with Slackware or Debian. But if you're familiar with Kubuntu and like it, then I would stick with what you know. However, the LTSP software is easy enough to install on any distro should you decide to use something else. Sincerely, Richard Morgan Heavy Systems Administrator http://www.heavysystems.com Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 16:02:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL22Hs030726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:02:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AL22dh030725 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:02:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL21dI030720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:02:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL21Ca019954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:02:01 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL1knO005913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:01:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 20304 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 15:59:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 15:59:20 -0500 Received: from 208.205.82.65 ([208.205.82.65]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:59:20 -0500 Message-ID: <20060210155920.yexp32fu0f808wgg@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:59:20 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Kiosk @ USF References: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> <701a1b330602101251p56d7a53ah20a9f8b4cf5093ac@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <701a1b330602101251p56d7a53ah20a9f8b4cf5093ac@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.195, required 6, AWL 0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_EV 0.08, TW_VF 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1AL21dH030722 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It sounds like you're talking about using consoles to connect via serial port. That's certainly possible and used to be done a lot 'back in the day'. To connect that many terminals, you'd need a multiport serial card to expand the machine from the usual one or two serial ports. Sincerely, Richard Morgan Heavy Systems Administrator http://www.heavysystems.com Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. Quoting Tevfik Yücek : > Hi Tom, > > I am a student in engineering. Our unix system admin set up 3 kiosk > computers running linux (red hat?). They are for a similar purpose as > your application. > > While chatting with him, he mentioned that only one computer can be > connected to 3 monitors and do the same thing. He said he just did not > have time to exploit it. I have no idea how you can do it but it would > be much easier and better if you just use 1 computer and 10 displays. > Maybe some other people from the list has a clue on this. I think it > is worth to try. > > Good luck, > Tevfik ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 16:03:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL3fLQ030744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1AL3fGI030743 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL3f88030739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL3f5N020021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:41 -0500 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (40-38.121-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.121.38.40]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1AL3RtD006009 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:27 -0500 Received: by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix, from userid 105) id F14D1919CC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [131.247.23.177] (dhcp23-177.laptops.USF.EDU [131.247.23.177]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BDA4D5D4 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43ECFF94.9060008@sigtom.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:03:16 -0500 From: "Tom E. Craddock Jr." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Kiosk @ USF References: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> <20060210155107.gps57r6iys08ssos@webmail.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: <20060210155107.gps57r6iys08ssos@webmail.heavysystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on tec.sigtom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.936, required 6, BAYES_05 -1.11, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 2.05) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Morgan wrote: > I haven't had as good results with K/Ubuntu on older hardware as I have > had with > Slackware or Debian. But if you're familiar with Kubuntu and like it, > then I > would stick with what you know. However, the LTSP software is easy > enough to > install on any distro should you decide to use something else. > > Sincerely, > Richard Morgan > Heavy Systems Administrator > http://www.heavysystems.com > Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. > Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. Richard, Yes, I didnt even think about that. This is some older hardware, so K/Ubuntu may not be the best choice....Ill have to take one of the PCs home this weekend to check it out and see what it/they have under the hood. Thanks for the tip. Tom Craddock ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 16:27:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ALRqZ1030936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:27:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1ALRqMq030935 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:27:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ALRpwp030931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:27:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ALRoQI020728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:27:50 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ALRajC013307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:27:36 -0500 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ALRZMn021824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:27:35 -0500 Message-ID: <43ED0547.9080402@nks.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:27:35 -0500 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Kiosk @ USF References: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> <701a1b330602101251p56d7a53ah20a9f8b4cf5093ac@mail.gmail.com> <20060210155920.yexp32fu0f808wgg@webmail.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: <20060210155920.yexp32fu0f808wgg@webmail.heavysystems.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.316, required 6, AWL 0.13, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_EV 0.08, TW_VF 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Morgan wrote: > It sounds like you're talking about using consoles to connect via > serial port. That's certainly possible and used to be done a lot 'back > in the day'. To > connect that many terminals, you'd need a multiport serial card to > expand the > machine from the usual one or two serial ports. > > Quoting Tevfik Yücek : > >> I am a student in engineering. Our unix system admin set up 3 kiosk >> computers running linux (red hat?). They are for a similar purpose as >> your application. >> >> While chatting with him, he mentioned that only one computer can be >> connected to 3 monitors and do the same thing. He said he just did not >> have time to exploit it. I have no idea how you can do it but it would >> be much easier and better if you just use 1 computer and 10 displays. >> Maybe some other people from the list has a clue on this. I think it >> is worth to try. > Yes, you can hook up more than one monitor to a PC. Moreover, with USB keyboards and USB mice you can effectively run separate "consoles" fairly painlessly. This is called "multi-seat" operation for a "multi-head" configuration, and is easy to search for via Google. From my experience, if you were to attempt this yourself, I highly suggest running _one_ Xserver to service all of the multi-headed consoles. Running more than one Xserver at a time requires some fun 2.6 kernel hacking to make it VT safe for multi-head. This is all part of the "backstreet-ruby" project (nothing to do with the Ruby language, btw). Boy is it a royal PITA. From what Tom is asking about at the moment though, I think that the LTSP approach is a pretty good one. If it were me, I would: 1. Build the LTSP server to securely handle all of the user desktops in the same way. 2. Build a auto-configuration kernel (NFSROOT, etc) that is appropriate for all of the available hardware. - one kernel might not be adequate, you may have to tag specific netboot clients to receive specific kernels for that PC's hardware. 3. Setup machines to PXE boot on the segment from a boot server. - if a machine can't PXE boot, I would use a grub bootfloppy with an etherboot appropriate to PXE bootstrap for that machine. - if a machine doesn't have a boot floppy, burn an el-torito ISO image to do the same. - if a machine doesn't have that, install a master boot record on the harddrive to grub boot to the same This is, of course, assuming that you control DHCP on those segments, or can otherwise segment the boxes in a way where you can respond to the PXE DHCP lease requests. If PXE isn't possible, I'd probably start devising boot media for each machine to statically config that machine to network boot off of the LTSP server. Once you have the PCs booting and pulling up sessions from the LTSP server, most of the physical labor is done. At this point you would be fiddling with getting things like printing to work and otherwise configuring user sessions for each station. - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 18:34:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ANY6hi031809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:34:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1ANY6nd031808 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:34:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ANY5Dd031804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:34:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ANY4VT024604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:34:05 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ANXntG000713 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:33:49 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so658152wra for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:33:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kuzrIkFz2MCkRUTvodgY/jpO+RolmzSM1JxNEOkuQZSs4pXBdEI2UkNNu6/2vXsVoKbYyUpnbUa2caTWFaZz46XXk2G0fUguIljfVWEimL5x+2m7IgztkOWm1XwXNdb1Q9+J+IrxflR18+yBVdgvAAQQAfqv6bkyIRy7lUHxCkA= Received: by 10.65.113.9 with SMTP id q9mr813521qbm; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.14 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:33:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:33:47 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Java Crashes My Browser! In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602101138w4738c794p7b55e51db087ee5e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310602101138w4738c794p7b55e51db087ee5e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1ANY6Dc031805 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/10/06, Levi Bard wrote: > What version of what browser? Have you tried other browsers? Do you > get an error message on the console? What applets are you trying this > with? Firefox 1.5, Java 1.5 JRE no, I have not tried it on another browser, all I have is konq installed, but I will try it as soon as I figure out how to get the Java plugin in konq. I tried it on a java irc applet and a small menubar on another site... both crashed horrifically. Crunchy. Dead. -- Dave Lowe ____________________________________________ HAIL THE EMPIRE! http://www.issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 19:22:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B0MtL8032222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:22:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1B0Mtsg032221 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:22:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B0MtbU032217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:22:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B0Mt9k026204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:22:55 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B0MdQZ021434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:22:40 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B0PI57004056 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:18 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k1B0PHgd004055; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:17 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51733.192.168.8.28.1139617516.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1a3a3e310602101138w4738c794p7b55e51db087ee5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Java Crashes My Browser! From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.431, required 6, AWL -0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60, FB_CONST_9 0.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On 2/10/06, Levi Bard wrote: > >> What version of what browser? Have you tried other browsers? Do you >> get an error message on the console? What applets are you trying this >> with? > > Firefox 1.5, Java 1.5 JRE > > no, I have not tried it on another browser, all I have is konq > installed, but I will try it as soon as I figure out how to get the > Java plugin in konq. > > I tried it on a java irc applet and a small menubar on another site... > both crashed horrifically. Crunchy. Dead. I'm running the same versions... One thing that's really odd was that copying the plugins directly into the firefox/plugins directory would hang my browser. I had to symlink them to the installed plugin: lrwxrwxrwx 1 kwan local 58 Oct 3 22:02 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/java/jre1.5.0_01/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so Make sure to use the correct version in the i386 directory. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 10 20:14:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B1EoPB032542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1B1Eo12032541 for slug-track29; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B1Enlr032537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B1EnAF027912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:49 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.204]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1B1Edgw024559 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:39 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i3so665997wra for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:14:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=F31ULekPmIvyF7R/+wFxDRC4+2hDs3Mpx+x70xzC3z87SHV79WNvkH8v5ewqLGl9P793/Ins5FFcERrI87ULW2L8cO6lahTyO7C0qA9oDvmPPbMb5r2MFJzTiMPgZkzqkL4mglxJCpBn7XQbPsdrLR+4SEHwN4yzOZmpNhHo4nk= Received: by 10.65.156.17 with SMTP id i17mr11408qbo; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.14 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:14:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:14:38 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Java Crashes My Browser! In-Reply-To: <51733.192.168.8.28.1139617516.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310602101138w4738c794p7b55e51db087ee5e@mail.gmail.com> <51733.192.168.8.28.1139617516.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1B1Enlq032538 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/10/06, Kwan Lowe wrote: > I'm running the same versions... One thing that's really > odd was that copying the plugins directly into the > firefox/plugins directory would hang my browser. I had to > symlink them to the installed plugin: Yeah, me too... I did use symlink to the plugin as well. But here's a new twist. I went to the Java Test Page on java.com and it did not crash. So it may, indeed, be a poorly written application after all. -- Dave Lowe ____________________________________________ HAIL THE EMPIRE! http://www.issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 10:15:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BFFwGN006332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:15:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BFFwfs006331 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:15:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BFFwnW006327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:15:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BFFv7O006375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:15:58 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BFFiI4001618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:15:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 25398 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 23:58:37 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 23:58:37 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0305256A18 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:54:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:54:55 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.919, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.87, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: It appears that for some reason, RoadRunner is blocking traffic from the SLUG list. I've contacted NKS about this, but I'm uncertain when or if they can resolve it with RR. Apparently, there is some spam complaint against the IP for the SLUG list server. There are two reasons why I can think this would occur. First, list members from time to time get spam emails that *appear* to come from NKS. Understand, if you're getting email like this, it is *not* coming from the list. This list is closed. You can't post to it unless you're s*bscr*bed. A spammer would have to s*bscr*be and start sending spam. One instance of this, and I would uns*bscr*be them. Problem solved. However, it is relatively easy for a spammer to harvest list email addresses from our list archives on the internet, and then closely duplicate the headers to make it look like you're getting spam from the SLUG list. Possibly resulting in complaints to an ISP like RoadRunner. The second possible reason for this is that there are some people who s*bscr*be without realizing what they're doing and then can't figure out a way to uns*bscr*be. I hate to be harsh, but these are generally people who have no business on this list anyway. My experience has been that if they s*bscr*be without knowing it, recoil in horror at the volume of posts or the content, and then are unable to uns*bscr*be, they really should be on Windows or MacOS, not Linux. But they do tend to vocally complain, not only to me, but probably to RR as well. When I originally set up the New Member (Join) page, I set it up so that, along with whatever personal information they give us about themselves, there are buttons for s*bscr*bing to both the SLUG list and the SLUG Announce lists. These buttons are by default checked, to make it easy for them to get on the lists. However, I suspect that this has caused some inadvertent s*bscr*ptions (even though it tells them in big red letters what they're agreeing to), and possibly some ISP complaints. Consequently, as of now, I'm forcing those buttons to be unchecked by default. This may result in fewer list members over time, but should cut down on complaints. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 11:32:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BGWYh7006949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BGWYka006948 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BGWYLv006944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BGWXdn009119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:34 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.199]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BGW6mr006521 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:06 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t14so469046wxc for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UqJwzgrnd3Vu4tQYxqickyHqM1mNOxm0N0L+CZEbAr0dgNhKcUK5oYY6sBvqPQT86eG4U3/2NFYn4WV4DtYZ8FAinKVys05KC3LPwp/3bPg/yigLH6IDn2/tYyRoreH7LQLsvJPykLxRfkLXt+aILm7lHyZzBNNxoZicIr8WXXo= Received: by 10.70.88.15 with SMTP id l15mr545490wxb; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.23.16 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5a7495c60602110832j6e511732w447212294236b687@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:32:05 -0500 From: clever guy To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail check In-Reply-To: <200602101543.46543.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6939_23976911.1139675525498" References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310602080747h6a49d7ecg82f3f81014bb2e9@mail.gmail.com> <5a7495c60602100346n5a92d6d4ud929318ebe9453f3@mail.gmail.com> <200602101543.46543.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.224, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_6939_23976911.1139675525498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've already sent myself mail from several accounts, so I know the basics are correct. If you re-read my message, you'll see I was getting SLUG list traffic for one day (meaning everything was working), but then it stopped. It was as if SLUG traffic was somehow being blocked. Paul replied to me, an= d says "RoadRunner is blocking traffic from the SLUG list". So that part of the mistery is solved. The good thing is I had already setup a gmail account for SLUG traffic only. That way I could use it as my own little archive, viewable from anywhere. Ken ---------------------- On 2/10/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Friday 10 February 2006 06:46, clever guy wrote: > > I just got my new ISP in Daytona (Ormond Beach, actually) and couldn't > > figure out why I wasn't getting anything. But this gmail account IS > > getting some of the traffic. My RR account got one day of traffic, the= n > > nothing for a week. I sent Paul a message direct, but got nothing back= . > > I'm wondering if RR is blocking somehow. I hate it when computers try > to > > "help". > > Usually the best way to test your email is to send yourself one. If that > works > then email is working with your ISP. There's no real difference in how > email > coming from you is handled, than if it came from someone else. > > And you will know if the recipient received it and read it. > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. > Edmund Burke > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_6939_23976911.1139675525498 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've already sent myself mail from several accounts, so I know the basics a= re correct.  If you re-read my message, you'll see I was getting SLUG = list traffic for one day (meaning everything was working), but then it stop= ped.  It was as if SLUG traffic was somehow being blocked. Paul replie= d to me, and says "RoadRunner is blocking traffic from the SLUG list&q= uot;.  So that part of the mistery is solved.

The good thing is I had already setup a gmail account for SLUG traf= fic only.  That way I could use it as my own little archive, viewable = from anywhere.

Ken
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On 2/10/06, steve szmidt <steve@szmidt.org> wrote:
On Friday 10 February 2006 06:46, clever guy wrote:
> I just got my n= ew ISP in Daytona (Ormond Beach, actually) and couldn't
> figure out = why I wasn't getting anything.  But this gmail account IS
>= getting some of the traffic.  My RR account got one day of traff= ic, then
> nothing for a week.  I sent Paul a message direct, but g= ot nothing back.
> I'm wondering if RR is blocking somehow. &nbs= p;I hate it when computers try to
> "help".

Usually = the best way to test your email is to send yourself one. If that works
then email is working with your ISP. There's no real difference in how = email
coming from you is handled, than if it came from someone else.
=
And you will know if the recipient received it and read it.
--

Steve Szmidt

"For evil to triumph all that is needed is for= good men to do nothing.
        = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;  Edmund Burke
-------------------------------------------= ----------------------------
This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by NetworkedKnowledge Systems (NKS).  Views and opinions expressed in messa= ges
posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect theofficial policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 14:55:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJtRA6008382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:55:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BJtRHF008381 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:55:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJtQZ8008377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:55:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJtQHG016425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:55:26 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJtFHe032587 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:55:15 -0500 Received: from athlon2400 (68-201.119-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.119.201.68]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1BJtE5Q013672 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:55:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000301c62f45$130bd7f0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: [SLUG] What has Happened? Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:55:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.301, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.30, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mail check . I'm not getting any emails anymore. JamesS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 14:59:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJxIr1008411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:59:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BJxIUd008410 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:59:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJxIa0008406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:59:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJxI6e016516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:59:18 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.200]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BJxCwv015765 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:59:12 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s17so463755wxc for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:59:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sadgUYdUZpOQ/hTOSzH0OU90jah9fagmpLCzM0oED9Kj2uToaQTZFwJnVZuysAq7B68yM1kfRBB4MIeKai03mCOiPADgjonjjGHT3EHtBW0K6oDJyl1ve4EkzKsxjBYbrdt29KeUnesCH58FWzsZ9WE1nhLfeRiWEFS1hoi1i6k= Received: by 10.70.31.19 with SMTP id e19mr428938wxe; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.27.13 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:59:10 -0500 From: chris lee To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What has Happened? In-Reply-To: <000301c62f45$130bd7f0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c62f45$130bd7f0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.101, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.50, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1BJxIZx008407 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net im getting them fine. there was a post earlier about rr blocking the list, might have gotten caught in that. On 2/11/06, James wrote: > Mail check . I'm not getting any emails anymore. > > JamesS > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 15:07:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BK7ZUF008526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BK7Zja008525 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BK7ZC6008521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BK7YZb016933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:35 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BK7LqH027362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:21 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BK7KRX013195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: <43EE43F8.1050900@nks.net> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:07:20 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What has Happened? References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000301c62f45$130bd7f0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> In-Reply-To: <000301c62f45$130bd7f0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050305060401020801070100" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.191, required 6, AWL 0.21, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050305060401020801070100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James wrote: > Mail check . I'm not getting any emails anymore. Grr. Don't even get me started on RoadRunner or BrightHouse. This is entirely a RoadRunner issue. At this point we're going to go through whatever RoadRunner process/procedure/escallation is needed for them to fix their mail system to permit mail from slug@nks.net. Has anyone received correspondence from RoadRunner about this problem? I'd like to collect it into one effort if at all possible. -- - Ian C. Blenke --------------050305060401020801070100 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="icblenke.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="icblenke.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian Blenke n:Blenke;Ian org:Networked Knowledge Systems;Ops adr:;;;Tampa;FL;;US email;internet:icblenke@nks.net title:Sr. Systems Engineer tel;work:(813)594-0054 tel;cell:(813)755-8952 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.nks.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard --------------050305060401020801070100-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 16:19:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BLJ9tS009106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:19:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BLJ92U009105 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:19:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BLJ9Kx009101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:19:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BLJ97d019042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:19:09 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BLIxKu018598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:19:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 20156 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 10:58:37 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 10:58:37 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EDA56A18 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 11:52:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43EA21B2.70901@quillandmouse.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 11:52:02 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.3, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.25, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: It appears that for some reason, RoadRunner is blocking traffic from the SLUG list. I've contacted NKS about this, but I'm uncertain when or if they can resolve it with RR. Apparently, there is some spam complaint against the IP for the SLUG list server. There are two reasons why I can think this would occur. First, list members from time to time get spam emails that *appear* to come from NKS. Understand, if you're getting email like this, it is *not* coming from the list. This list is closed. You can't post to it unless you're s*bscr*bed. A spammer would have to s*bscr*be and start sending spam. One instance of this, and I would uns*bscr*be them. Problem solved. However, it is relatively easy for a spammer to harvest list email addresses from our list archives on the internet, and then closely duplicate the headers to make it look like you're getting spam from the SLUG list. Possibly resulting in complaints to an ISP like RoadRunner. The second possible reason for this is that there are some people who s*bscr*be without realizing what they're doing and then can't figure out a way to uns*bscr*be. I hate to be harsh, but these are generally people who have no business on this list anyway. My experience has been that if they s*bscr*be without knowing it, recoil in horror at the volume of posts or the content, and then are unable to uns*bscr*be, they really should be on Windows or MacOS, not Linux. But they do tend to vocally complain, not only to me, but probably to RR as well. When I originally set up the New Member (Join) page, I set it up so that, along with whatever personal information they give us about themselves, there are buttons for s*bscr*bing to both the SLUG list and the SLUG Announce lists. These buttons are by default checked, to make it easy for them to get on the lists. However, I suspect that this has caused some inadvertent s*bscr*ptions (even though it tells them in big red letters what they're agreeing to), and possibly some ISP complaints. Consequently, as of now, I'm forcing those buttons to be unchecked by default. This may result in fewer list members over time, but should cut down on complaints. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 17:38:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BMcvTK009657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:38:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BMcv6S009656 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:38:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BMcvsA009652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:38:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BMcuu3021595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:38:57 -0500 Received: from aaa.dreamhost.com (aaa.dreamhost.com [64.111.107.16]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CBWiLp020048 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:32:44 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by aaa.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A9720228 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:38:41 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail check Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:38:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20060203235502.20650.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200602101543.46543.steve@szmidt.org> <5a7495c60602110832j6e511732w447212294236b687@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5a7495c60602110832j6e511732w447212294236b687@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602111738.40279.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.031, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.43, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 11 February 2006 11:32, clever guy wrote: > I've already sent myself mail from several accounts, so I know the basics > are correct. If you re-read my message, you'll see I was getting SLUG list > traffic for one day (meaning everything was working), but then it stopped. > It was as if SLUG traffic was somehow being blocked. Paul replied to me, > and says "RoadRunner is blocking traffic from the SLUG list". So that part > of the mistery is solved. > > The good thing is I had already setup a gmail account for SLUG traffic > only. That way I could use it as my own little archive, viewable from > anywhere. Right you are. It's just not the first time there were "issues" with a list too many via's. So I would never use a list as a method to validate my email. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 11 17:46:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BMk9AB009722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:46:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1BMk9tk009721 for slug-track29; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:46:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BMk9Ju009717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:46:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BMk8pC021846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:46:09 -0500 Received: from aaa.dreamhost.com (aaa.dreamhost.com [64.111.107.16]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1BMjwST026869 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:45:58 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by aaa.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8364720253 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:45:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.009, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.96, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 08 February 2006 00:54, Paul M Foster wrote: > When I originally set up the New Member (Join) page, I set it up so > that, along with whatever personal information they give us about > themselves, there are buttons for s*bscr*bing to both the SLUG list and > the SLUG Announce lists. These buttons are by default checked, to make > it easy for them to get on the lists. However, I suspect that this has > caused some inadvertent s*bscr*ptions (even though it tells them in big > red letters what they're agreeing to), and possibly some ISP complaints. > Consequently, as of now, I'm forcing those buttons to be unchecked by > default. This may result in fewer list members over time, but should cut > down on complaints. I agree with you, one need to make someone specifically subscribe. For those who cannot get through that simple process, don't belong on lists anyway as they only cause a lot of problems for others. The concept of how you sign up and subsequently get off is black magic to many people as they cannot really read in the first place, and then cannot follow simple instructions. I've always been a firm believer of having the link to get off the list at the bottom of each post. Makes it very easy to get off. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 01:45:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1C6js0O013249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1C6jsP2013248 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1C6jrtc013244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1C6jrUI009974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:53 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1C6jb8w005408 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:38 -0500 Received: from pool-40.max4.marlowe.net (*authenticated* [64.58.217.100] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.0rc1/96) id 3HNFH00 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:43:13 -0500 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Command help Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:40:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602112340.01926.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.854, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.85) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1C6jrtb013245 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, What is wrong with the following command?  Trying to figure out how much to shrink down a movie.m2v Not a bash command? EasyStreet:/backup # factor = (6423971301/ (4600000000. - 232415232 ) ) * 1.04 bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' EasyStreet:/backup # Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 04:50:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1C9oiNE014762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:50:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1C9oi2h014761 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:50:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1C9oh61014757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:50:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1C9oh17026331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:50:43 -0500 Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1C9oTXZ029242 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:50:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 60358 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 09:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Stan) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 09:50:27 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 67.9.4.183 Message-ID: <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> From: "James Miller" To: References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 04:50:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually, the only black magic is that I've removed myself from the some of the lists three times over the last year, but NKS is so sloppy in doing their backups and admin that I keep finding myself back on the list whenever they do a recover, once 7 weeks after I pulled myself from the lists. (My prob isn't SLUG, but the NKS service's repeated problems...) This is getting old. Again, can we get someone else to do the list for us??? > > The concept of how you sign up and subsequently get off is black magic to > many > people as they cannot really read in the first place, and then cannot > follow > simple instructions. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 06:57:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CBvYa8015670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:57:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CBvYra015669 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:57:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CBvXuY015665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:57:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CBvXRn000924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:57:33 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CBvJeo023591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 06:57:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 5361 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2006 00:13:44 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 00:13:44 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3AF83A7B for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:12:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43EC2EDA.4060408@quillandmouse.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:12:42 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sharing drives References: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.83, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.63, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > Is it possible to have a box read and write to a removable media drive > on another box in the network? ie-cd/dvd-rw? If so, how difficult a > task is this? There are several machines on my home network and it just > seems dumb to have to buy cd-burners for each of them. Thanks. > Sure. You have to make sure you've got media in the drive, mount it, and then share it via NFS or Samba. A removable media device is like any other as far as mounts and sharing are concerned. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 07:34:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCYSAR015983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:34:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CCYSQ4015982 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:34:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCYSHt015978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:34:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCYP0x002758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:34:27 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCQNTj001644 for ; 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 07:37:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCb6WH016007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:37:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CCb61K016006 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:37:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCb6X3016002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:37:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCb5sn002862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:37:06 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCakUa027069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:36:48 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CCdUk6002362 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:39:30 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k1CCdUYb002361; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:39:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:39:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54741.192.168.8.28.1139747969.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200602112340.01926.rnr@sanctum.com> References: <200602112340.01926.rnr@sanctum.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:39:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Command help From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > What is wrong with the following command? Trying to figure out how much to > shrink down a movie.m2v Not a bash command? > > EasyStreet:/backup # factor = (6423971301/ (4600000000. - 232415232 ) ) * 1.04 > bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' > EasyStreet:/backup # http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.2 From the above: 10.2 Arithmetic evaluation On the command line (or a shell) try this: echo 1 + 1 If you expected to see '2' you'll be disappointed. What if you want BASH to evaluate some numbers you have? The solution is this: echo $((1+1)) This will produce a more 'logical' output. This is to evaluate an arithmetic expression. You can achieve this also like this: echo $[1+1] If you need to use fractions, or more math or you just want it, you can use bc to evaluate arithmetic expressions. if i ran "echo $[3/4]" at the command prompt, it would return 0 because bash only uses integers when answering. If you ran "echo 3/4|bc -l", it would properly return 0.75. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 07:44:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCiuU5016077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:44:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CCiuHO016076 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:44:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCitMu016072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:44:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCita1003211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:44:55 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CCikjN026555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:44:47 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1CClUf6002411 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:47:31 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k1CClU75002410; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:47:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:47:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54759.192.168.8.28.1139748450.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <43EC2EDA.4060408@quillandmouse.com> References: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> <43EC2EDA.4060408@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:47:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] sharing drives From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > michael hast wrote: >> Is it possible to have a box read and write to a removable media drive >> on another box in the network? ie-cd/dvd-rw? If so, how difficult a >> task is this? There are several machines on my home network and it just >> seems dumb to have to buy cd-burners for each of them. Thanks. >> > > Sure. You have to make sure you've got media in the drive, mount it, and > then share it via NFS or Samba. A removable media device is like any > other as far as mounts and sharing are concerned. Another option may be to use a loopback mounted ISO filesystem that's exported via NFS. When complete, just burn the ISO. Or use UnionFS (Check out the Copy-on-Write) section below: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7714 -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 11:57:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CGvX95017849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:57:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CGvXHJ017848 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:57:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CGvXCv017844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:57:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CGvWSf013952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:57:32 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D5pEiY008075 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:51:14 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060212165727.MDZE4002.centrmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: <43EF77AA.70801@cox.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:00:10 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sharing drives References: <43EC1ED6.8080107@cox.net> <43EC2EDA.4060408@quillandmouse.com> <54759.192.168.8.28.1139748450.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <54759.192.168.8.28.1139748450.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >Another option may be to use a loopback mounted ISO filesystem that's exported via >NFS. When complete, just burn the ISO. > > I'll probably do something similar to this. What about booting from an ISO on another machine? Is that possible as well? I mean, I'm sure it is, I just don't know how. Is that what would be considered a "network" boot? If I can help it, I will build this machine without external drives at all. The only things I would want one for is: a) writing files. For back up, etc. Yes, I can do that on the network with NFS or Samba, and so I will. No biggie. b) Playing with live cd's. On a network boot, do I even need to burn the cd? How would this work? -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 12:10:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CHArvE017989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:10:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CHArnp017988 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:10:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CHArWk017984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:10:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CHAqkq014631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:10:53 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CHAen2016822 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:10:40 -0500 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CHAceC006535 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:10:38 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200602121710.k1CHAceC006535@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: [SLUG] Road Runner is now passing SLUG messages Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:14:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcYv97xf/5ocOovwTg2GNNIyceTxug== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.67, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.93, BAYES_20 -0.74) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul (and everyone else) It would appear that RoadRunner is now allowing SLUG traffic to pass through. I posted this message on the list, rather than directly, so see if RR will allow it the other way. Ken Elliott ===================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 13:21:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CILZCr018544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:21:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CILZ0G018543 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:21:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CILZAj018539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:21:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CILYug017236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:21:34 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CIKhUk026942 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:20:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (245-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.245]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CIKbPb028255 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:20:38 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Road Runner is now passing SLUG messages Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:23:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200602121710.k1CHAceC006535@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200602121710.k1CHAceC006535@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602121323.59336.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.996, required 6, AWL 0.60, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 12 February 2006 12:14, Ken Elliott wrote: > Paul (and everyone else) > > It would appear that RoadRunner is now allowing SLUG traffic to pass > through. I posted this message on the list, rather than directly, so see > if RR will allow it the other way. > > > Ken Elliott > ===================== I got your message on the list. I posted a message Friday which I have yet to see come up on the list. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 14:55:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CJtAaS019164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:55:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CJtAn8019163 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:55:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CJtAON019159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:55:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CJt4Dl020832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:55:10 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D8mjJj021567 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 03:48:46 -0500 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CJsqCq027844 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:54:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200602121954.k1CJsqCq027844@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Road Runner is now passing SLUG messages Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:58:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200602121323.59336.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Thread-Index: AcYwAWch/yrLi8lRR9modaGQ1KyU1AADQ/iw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.642, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.96, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I posted a message Friday which I have yet to see come up on the list. Paul says the logs show that all messages to rr.com were bounced. I'm on cfl.rr.com and you're on tampabay.rr.com so we were both bounced. It appears to be operating correctly, at this point. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Richard Smoot Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:24 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Road Runner is now passing SLUG messages On Sunday 12 February 2006 12:14, Ken Elliott wrote: > Paul (and everyone else) > > It would appear that RoadRunner is now allowing SLUG traffic to pass > through. I posted this message on the list, rather than directly, so > see if RR will allow it the other way. > > > Ken Elliott > ===================== I got your message on the list. I posted a message Friday which I have yet to see come up on the list. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 15:15:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKF27Y019380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:15:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CKF2ba019379 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:15:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKF26n019375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:15:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKF2pS021602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:15:02 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKEjd9007946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:14:45 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKEipL016904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:14:44 -0500 Message-ID: <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:14:43 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> In-Reply-To: <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070002000602050209040607" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.079, required 6, AWL -1.12, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070002000602050209040607 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Miller wrote: > Actually, the only black magic is that I've removed myself from the > some of the lists three times over the last year, but NKS is so sloppy > in doing their backups and admin that I keep finding myself back on > the list whenever they do a recover, once 7 weeks after I pulled > myself from the lists. (My prob isn't SLUG, but the NKS service's > repeated problems...) Wow. "Sloppy doing backups and admin". That's a bit of a slap in the face. Kinda took that personally the first time I read it. I'm not even going to respond to that, not worth the time. > This is getting old. Again, can we get someone else to do the list > for us??? We do not "restore the list". This sounds like someone having problems using the majordomo interface to remove themselves from the list. I do not understand James' problem with removing himself from the list. He is removed now. I just did it by hand. I will see if I can put in a block so that intofocus.com can never subscribe again, as this appears to be a continuing problem for James. As a stopgap, I've added a cron job that will alert me personally if any intofocus.com address is ever resubscribed again. If anyone has any problems with the list, there are more appropriate places to complain than on the list itself. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 15:23:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKNq4B019502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CKNqP4019501 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKNpY0019497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKNprP021898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:51 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKNhqj030644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:43 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKNgEE017257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <43EF994E.2090402@nks.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:23:42 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Command help References: <200602112340.01926.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200602112340.01926.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050401040504050604010604" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.379, required 6, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050401040504050604010604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > What is wrong with the following command? Trying to figure out how much to > shrink down a movie.m2v Not a bash command? > > EasyStreet:/backup # factor = (6423971301/ (4600000000. - 232415232 ) ) * 1.04 > bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' > EasyStreet:/backup # > If you have integers (not floats), you can do the following: #!/bin/bash (( factor = 6423971301/ (4600000000 - 232415232 ) )) echo $factor There's probably another way to handle floats, but this is what I'd probably end up doing: factor=$( echo 'scale=2; (6423971301/ (4600000000. - 232415232 ) ) * 1.04' | bc ) Using bc is a bit of cheating, but it's quick and dirty, and it works. The "scale=2" means that you want two places to the right of the decimal. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 15:57:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKvQ7J019686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:57:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CKvQo1019685 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKvQ6d019681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKvQEQ022885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:57:26 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CKvF6Q003700 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:57:15 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1CKvEPA029335 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:57:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:57:30 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Command help In-Reply-To: <43EF994E.2090402@nks.net> Message-ID: References: <200602112340.01926.rnr@sanctum.com> <43EF994E.2090402@nks.net> X-GetARealMailreader: Bob Stia wrote: >> Hello Sluggers, >> >> What is wrong with the following command? Trying to figure out how much to >> shrink down a movie.m2v Not a bash command? >> >> EasyStreet:/backup # factor = (6423971301/ (4600000000. - 232415232 ) ) * >> 1.04 >> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `(' >> EasyStreet:/backup # >> > > If you have integers (not floats), you can do the following: > > #!/bin/bash > (( factor = 6423971301/ (4600000000 - 232415232 ) )) > echo $factor There can't be spaces around the "=" in "foo=bar", I don't think. Unless that's a different environment. > There's probably another way to handle floats, but this is what I'd probably > end up doing: > > factor=$( echo 'scale=2; (6423971301/ (4600000000. - 232415232 ) ) * 1.04' > | bc ) > > Using bc is a bit of cheating, but it's quick and dirty, and it works. Yeah, but I'd use dc. Same idea. > The "scale=2" means that you want two places to the right of the decimal. What do you want, the scale of a 6.4*10^10^9 byte movie to fit it and 232*10^6 bytes of other stuff to fit them both on a 4.6*10^9 byte DVD? room=$(( 4600000000 - 232415232 )) scale=$(( ( room * 100 ) / 6423971301 )) echo "${scale}%" Decimals are a PITA in bash. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 16:47:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CLlOkx020086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CLlOTh020085 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CLlO6u020081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CLlNhn024358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:24 -0500 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CLlGvH019809 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:16 -0500 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F8P3r-0005kE-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-VR0f15GAAIpz0K8nQWgW" Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:46:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1139780804.16742.102.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.343, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.63, BAYES_05 -1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-VR0f15GAAIpz0K8nQWgW Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I'm glad the NKS is hosting our list. So, thank you, NKS, and thank you Ian! Russell On Sun, 2006-02-12 at 15:14 -0500, Ian Blenke wrote: > James Miller wrote: > > Actually, the only black magic is that I've removed myself from the=20 > > some of the lists three times over the last year, but NKS is so sloppy=20 > > in doing their backups and admin that I keep finding myself back on=20 > > the list whenever they do a recover, once 7 weeks after I pulled=20 > > myself from the lists. (My prob isn't SLUG, but the NKS service's=20 > > repeated problems...) >=20 > Wow. "Sloppy doing backups and admin". That's a bit of a slap in the=20 > face. Kinda took that personally the first time I read it. I'm not even=20 > going to respond to that, not worth the time. > > This is getting old. Again, can we get someone else to do the list=20 > > for us??? > We do not "restore the list". This sounds like someone having problems=20 > using the majordomo interface to remove themselves from the list. >=20 > I do not understand James' problem with removing himself from the list.=20 > He is removed now. I just did it by hand. >=20 > I will see if I can put in a block so that intofocus.com can never=20 > subscribe again, as this appears to be a continuing problem for James. > As a stopgap, I've added a cron job that will alert me personally if any=20 > intofocus.com address is ever resubscribed again. >=20 > If anyone has any problems with the list, there are more appropriate=20 > places to complain than on the list itself. >=20 --=-VR0f15GAAIpz0K8nQWgW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBD76zEAqKGrvVshJQRAhO8AJ0US/uQtKJeJbk0GqVsX352jR8aLACeLXRe VSRboU2xJ6rDx/ql5OcE2/0= =NB7C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-VR0f15GAAIpz0K8nQWgW-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 17:44:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CMiKe0020518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:44:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CMiKvl020517 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:44:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CMiK86020513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:44:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CMiJGP026061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:44:20 -0500 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CMiAJg008881 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:44:10 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB7EEE904 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:44:07 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:44:01 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602121744.02350.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.036, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.06, BAYES_05 -1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hehe, Yeah, there's something wrong with your mail server it keeps sending me emails every time I send you one! Thinking of it it seems to send me an email every time ANYONE sends you an email! What's up with that? It's like one was in a chatroom or something! Your website is even worse, every time I start my browser I get your website! Obviously you don't know how to use your computers either or I would not have this problem!! L00sres! -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 18:59:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CNxZHg021044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:59:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1CNxZsV021043 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:59:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CNxYuJ021039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:59:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CNxYPN028688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:59:34 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net (centrmmtao02.cox.net [70.168.83.82]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1CNxOrK014416 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:59:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060212235934.ULGW8484.centrmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:59:34 -0500 Message-ID: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:02:14 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] graphics drivers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.42, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, Gents, In the anticipation of building my faster, more powerful machine, I have been gathering up parts as I find deals I can't refuse. I've decided to go with AGP instead of PCI-E. On Newegg, I found a card by EVGA that looked like a winner. It's a Nvidia GeForce FX5500 256MB that turns out to be about $45.00 after s/h & rebates. Not bad. It even came with a DVI to VGA adapter and a cute little s-cable to hook it to the TV. I downloaded the current Linux drivers from Nvidia, but I can't figure out how to start the self-installer. I have gotten as far as getting out of X by way of Ctrl-Alt-F1, switching to runlevel 3 with an init command and starting the installer. It tells me that it can't find the current kernel image source, so I got it with apt-get and tried again. Same thing. I restarted and tried again. Same thing. I'm running Debian 3.1 with kernel 2.6.8 and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Please help me. I'm losing hair here. Thank you. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 19:47:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0lYOp021428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1D0lYl0021427 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0lXUm021423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0lXsV030221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:33 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0l8Dw019805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:08 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0l7ej026987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <43EFD70A.8070303@nks.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:47:06 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090704090200070607060709" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.259, required 6, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090704090200070607060709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael hast wrote: > Well, Gents, > > In the anticipation of building my faster, more powerful machine, I > have been gathering up parts as I find deals I can't refuse. I've > decided to go with AGP instead of PCI-E. On Newegg, I found a card by > EVGA that looked like a winner. It's a Nvidia GeForce FX5500 256MB > that turns out to be about $45.00 after s/h & rebates. Not bad. It > even came with a DVI to VGA adapter and a cute little s-cable to hook > it to the TV. I downloaded the current Linux drivers from Nvidia, but > I can't figure out how to start the self-installer. I have gotten as > far as getting out of X by way of Ctrl-Alt-F1, switching to runlevel 3 > with an init command and starting the installer. It tells me that it > can't find the current kernel image source, so I got it with apt-get > and tried again. Same thing. I restarted and tried again. Same > thing. I'm running Debian 3.1 with kernel 2.6.8 and I don't know what > I'm doing wrong. Please help me. I'm losing hair here. Thank you. Try this: # apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8 # ln -s kernel-headers-2.6.8 /usr/src/linux The kernel-headers-2.6.8 package should contain the include files for your installed standard Debian kernel. If you build your own kernel from source with kpkg, you will end up with a kernel-headers package as well. When installed, the headers will install into /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8. To make the nVidia installer happy, you can just make a "standard" symlink it to /usr/src/linux for it to use. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 19:53:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0r8lk021470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:53:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1D0r8DA021469 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:53:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0r7Kt021465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:53:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0r70J030385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:53:07 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D0qcc5022897 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:52:38 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1D0qafx011284 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:52:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:52:53 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers In-Reply-To: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> X-GetARealMailreader: In the anticipation of building my faster, more powerful machine, I have > been gathering up parts as I find deals I can't refuse. I've decided to go > with AGP instead of PCI-E. On Newegg, I found a card by EVGA that looked > like a winner. It's a Nvidia GeForce FX5500 256MB that turns out to be about > $45.00 after s/h & rebates. Not bad. It even came with a DVI to VGA adapter > and a cute little s-cable to hook it to the TV. I downloaded the current > Linux drivers from Nvidia, but I can't figure out how to start the > self-installer. I have gotten as far as getting out of X by way of > Ctrl-Alt-F1, switching to runlevel 3 with an init command and starting the > installer. It tells me that it can't find the current kernel image source, > so I got it with apt-get and tried again. Same thing. I restarted and tried > again. Same thing. I'm running Debian 3.1 with kernel 2.6.8 and I don't > know what I'm doing wrong. Please help me. I'm losing hair here. Thank > you. I had problems with Ubuntu's version of Linux, where it did the same thing. Eventually I compiled a custom kernel (I was going to do that anyhow), which shut it up. Also, if it hasn't yet, for me it complained about X running. Switching to another VT wasn't sufficient; I needed to stop X (e.g. "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"). Then it demanded reinstallation at every boot (which in those days meant "quite often") lest glx not work, though something else may have been at the root of that. I used 2.6.15.1; I can send you .config if you go that route. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 21:30:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D2Ua6D022221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:30:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1D2UaDW022220 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:30:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D2Uaml022216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:30:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D2UZtN001311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:30:36 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D2UHfZ003070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:30:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 8986 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 00:58:25 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 00:58:25 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16F1833D9 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:55:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:55:24 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Kernel 2.6 print lockups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.068, required 6, AWL -0.67, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: I recently installed a new machine as my desktop, and upgraded Linux to the 2.6 kernel series. I also upgraded all the printing infrastructure (CUPS et al) to the latest version out of Debian unst*ble. Since I did this, I've had an intermittent problem with HARD lockups when printing. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it locks up the machine so bad I can't even SSH in from another machine. I was just printing from Thunderbird, and as soon as it went to execute the print job, it locked up. The program I'm printing from doesn't matter. The printer knows it's about to get something, because the little light flashes like it's getting data. As soon as I reboot, the job that I sent to print now prints (usually). Anyone run into this? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 22:01:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D318Dd022453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:01:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1D318Sl022452 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:01:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D31874022448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:01:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D315NZ002274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:01:08 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D30X0q022880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:00:34 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1D2uMnm002077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:56:24 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1F8Tx0-0007s2-Du for slug@nks.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:00:30 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.6 print lockups Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:00:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602122200.30167.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:56:24 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 11 February 2006 01:55, Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > Anyone run into this? What printer? Is it connected via USB, parallel, or other? -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 12 22:05:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D35Z25022483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:05:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1D35ZoX022482 for slug-track29; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:05:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D35Ysn022478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:05:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D35YIL002454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:05:34 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFxFQq020338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:59:15 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1D35Qe1032448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:05:26 -0500 Message-ID: <43EFF775.9070807@nks.net> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:05:25 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.6 print lockups References: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010006020200050900020502" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.099, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010006020200050900020502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > I recently installed a new machine as my desktop, and upgraded Linux to > the 2.6 kernel series. I also upgraded all the printing infrastructure > (CUPS et al) to the latest version out of Debian unst*ble. Since I did > this, I've had an intermittent problem with HARD lockups when printing. > It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it locks up the > machine so bad I can't even SSH in from another machine. I was just > printing from Thunderbird, and as soon as it went to execute the print > job, it locked up. The program I'm printing from doesn't matter. The > printer knows it's about to get something, because the little light > flashes like it's getting data. As soon as I reboot, the job that I sent > to print now prints (usually). > > Anyone run into this? Do you see anything in your kern.log or on the console when it crashes? CUPS is really a userspace thing. If you're getting a hardware lockup, I'd suspect whatever kernel driver you are using to talk to your printer ("usblp", etc). Odd. It would be nice to get a kernel panic message from it if you can. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 05:10:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAAsOn025660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:10:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DAAsCd025659 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:10:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAAsdV025655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:10:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAArHb027193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:10:54 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAAfWn011998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:10:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 16054 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2006 10:58:24 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-163-174.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.163.174) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2006 10:58:24 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1401C833D9 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:57:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43EE1780.10507@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:57:36 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.523, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.94, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > It appears that for some reason, RoadRunner is blocking traffic from the > SLUG list. I've contacted NKS about this, but I'm uncertain when or if > they can resolve it with RR. Apparently, there is some spam complaint > against the IP for the SLUG list server. > You'll notice that this post was two or three days old. Because in addition to everything else, *MY* company's site's IP has been blocked by SpamCop for a few days. Ugh. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 05:39:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAdcaR025895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:39:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DAdc9E025894 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:39:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAdcDq025890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:39:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAdb31028221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:39:37 -0500 Received: from hannibal.dreamhost.com (ip-205-196-208-25.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.25]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DAdPQ8019061 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:39:26 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by hannibal.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CFAAEFAB for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:39:14 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <43EE1780.10507@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43EE1780.10507@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602130539.15203.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.086, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.38, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 11 February 2006 11:57, Paul M Foster wrote: > addition to everything else, *MY* company's site's IP has been blocked > by SpamCop for a few days. Ugh. Yes, there's this trend where various tiers providers want to control things beyond what's called for, thus limiting access. I'm just discovering that Verizon is interfering with traffic between two verizon accounts. Just simple ssh traffic. Every so many seconds it just lags for so many seconds. Over and over... When people get the idea to alter the way the Internet is working everybody else looses. Do you remember when Network Assoiciates changed the default behavior when not finding a web address? They stuck in their own "service" rather than the standard error message. That messed up a lot of debugging tools. Instead of a failed web page you hit a valid web page, as if you got where you were trying to go. Ugh is definitely right! -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 09:44:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DEibnn027675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DEibLF027674 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DEibV7027670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DEiaas007996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:36 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DEiCWB027104 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:12 -0500 Received: from athlon2400 (68-201.119-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.119.201.68]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1DEi7T1010095 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c630ab$f2c78260$0200a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <43EE1780.10507@quillandmouse.com> <200602130539.15203.steve@szmidt.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:44:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.07, required 6, AWL -0.67, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List I am just glad that i can get the emails. I was going thru withdrawal for a while. I have also saved 100's of messages to text files on questions and answers that let me have the knowledge i could'nt get anywhere else. kudo's to all who has helped me by being on this list. I don't think i would have attempted to even try Linux without you guys and gals. JamesS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 10:22:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFM3gd027999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:22:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DFM3rC027998 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:22:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFM2CP027994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:22:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFM2JF009427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:22:02 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFLnDD029790 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:21:50 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so880314wra for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:21:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D8/s1oJVCGhzGyQAT/qDNhdMbQ7yWY/SVjPeh0qLTmBKinhW6B9xwfJ/18b21PGHBLZp6Sf0c6P5PEoYPro9eiY8QgUcaqQIzgYYz5Je4WCou8baL3QthnajHLPOsHD6LnPWECF/9P84j7kEtgp6Fkc85xPn+S1oaExmOsgdsIo= Received: by 10.54.121.11 with SMTP id t11mr2435871wrc; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.102.4 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:21:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602130721x47559eefg8a1b0978d5de6b5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:21:46 -0600 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers In-Reply-To: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.39, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.13, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_GL 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1DFM3CO027995 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/12/06, michael hast wrote: > Well, Gents, > > In the anticipation of building my faster, more powerful machine, I > have been gathering up parts as I find deals I can't refuse. I've > decided to go with AGP instead of PCI-E. On Newegg, I found a card by > EVGA that looked like a winner. It's a Nvidia GeForce FX5500 256MB that > turns out to be about $45.00 after s/h & rebates. Not bad. It even > came with a DVI to VGA adapter and a cute little s-cable to hook it to > the TV. I downloaded the current Linux drivers from Nvidia, but I can't > figure out how to start the self-installer. I have gotten as far as > getting out of X by way of Ctrl-Alt-F1, switching to runlevel 3 with an > init command and starting the installer. It tells me that it can't find > the current kernel image source, so I got it with apt-get and tried > again. Same thing. I restarted and tried again. Same thing. I'm > running Debian 3.1 with kernel 2.6.8 and I don't know what I'm doing > wrong. Please help me. I'm losing hair here. Thank you. If you're using a debian standard kernel, you can use the nvidia-glx and associated packages from apt. The executable packages from nvidia.com are more for roll-your-owners. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 10:25:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFPnHu028023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:25:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DFPn3k028022 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:25:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFPn0x028018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:25:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFPnMJ009535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:25:49 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.195]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFPGET031124 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:25:16 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so861447wra for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:25:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h8TNX+X/iynCj6P7PXfnguNSMqRm6bREbe1SL8wh6N3IYeTBmdHi6X5sBSLvVkW1fu2XzNqfstUWyK6GnBDxG7Qaoui4ED8uEcnq7gFj05E51eJogA4DvIwTbezoC0LmuQswOe6JTLO0Wm/5suPt0lbDbigM34Cl6LEH7dxhCxA= Received: by 10.54.92.16 with SMTP id p16mr2366519wrb; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.102.4 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:25:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602130725t4ac45f91yef82fbdfaf9a3755@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:25:10 -0600 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Kernel 2.6 print lockups In-Reply-To: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.855, required 6, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1DFPn0w028019 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/11/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > I recently installed a new machine as my desktop, and upgraded Linux to > the 2.6 kernel series. I also upgraded all the printing infrastructure > (CUPS et al) to the latest version out of Debian unst*ble. Since I did > this, I've had an intermittent problem with HARD lockups when printing. > It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it locks up the > machine so bad I can't even SSH in from another machine. I was just > printing from Thunderbird, and as soon as it went to execute the print > job, it locked up. The program I'm printing from doesn't matter. The > printer knows it's about to get something, because the little light > flashes like it's getting data. As soon as I reboot, the job that I sent > to print now prints (usually). > > Anyone run into this? We're using an HP PSC 2110(usb) with CUPS, local to a debian/unstable machine with 2.6.15, and shared to a debian/unstable and a debian/testing. Haven't experienced any machine lockups, although sometimes the printer gets confused and thinks it's a robopuppy, and has to be power-cycled. Although we did have an interesting issue once when we accidentally filled the partition with /var. No warnings or errors, just no printing and extremely erratic behavior. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 10:31:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFVJVc028061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:31:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DFVJm8028060 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:31:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFVITI028056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:31:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFVIkC009757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:31:18 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DFUgP1029367 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:30:43 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so874878wra for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:30:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ej1tEMgIN9Zx2YRvO/hh0w1ybgxM1T8aNWxYSNPZGn/HJRIqXa/IADzxY7JaUeQS20VxtIkQJta6UyctBE+9hiA6Ph1P9U9W2SEmDoz5LCHv7U4COZi+PlG1A2XnMU2p5mqDYPZD2QApR+o9GX8cmJxdK2Mb/RxOuKKCW7ZR29c= Received: by 10.54.115.10 with SMTP id n10mr2442959wrc; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:30:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.102.4 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:30:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602130730k12256bc5p2eeef9d4e5ca397f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:30:40 -0600 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List In-Reply-To: <1139780804.16742.102.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> <1139780804.16742.102.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.583, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1DFVITH028057 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Well, I'm glad the NKS is hosting our list. So, thank you, NKS, and > thank you Ian! Ditto that. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 13:26:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIQiW8029340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:26:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DIQif3029339 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIQiC5029335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIQiU1016684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIQVIg019612 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:26:31 -0500 Received: from athlon2400 (68-201.119-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.119.201.68]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1DIQTxk020524 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:26:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01c630cb$039cf470$0200a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> <1139780804.16742.102.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1a3a3e310602130730k12256bc5p2eeef9d4e5ca397f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [SLUG] SCSI issue Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:26:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/plain"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C630A1.1A75BF30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.092, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE 1.09) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C630A1.1A75BF30 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is from a forum i go to and thought it was a good question? Need a linux guru to help me with this one. I decided to install linux on my an35n ultra system. Wanted a distrib that would get me up and running right away, but lighter weight and with a bit more learning curve. Decided to try out VectorLinux. Its based on slackware. My problem is that I have decided to install the OSs on this system on a scsi drive. The scsi card is an aha-29160N. Which so happens NOT to be detected by the VL install. Someone suggested on the VL forum that I need to boot using the Slackware scsi (adaptec.s) floppy and from there then load the VL root floppy to start the install. This worked perfectly. But, I am stuck with needing to use the Slackware floppy to boot root on the scsi drive. VL runs fine ...though lacking some hardware support ...it seems like a great distribution, I'm hoping to get the boot issue resolved and then see if the missing hardware can also be resolved ...which should be no problem ...hopefully. Now as far as I understand I need to use initrd because I am booting from a scsi drive. Not sure why I need a ramdisk image to do this. ?? But, even if I add that to the lilo.conf, how would VL suddenly support my scsi card if it didnt during the install? Do I need to add a driver or module (whatever its called in the linux world) for the card? Another suggestion I was given is to replace the kernel with the kernel from the slackware floppy. ?? I am not at all sure how to do that and if it is even a good idea. What worries me further is the fact that my promise IDE card is not supported and I would assume that it would not be using the slackware kernel. ...but, as you can see, I am over my head here. Any suggestions? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 13:59:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIx8pf029528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DIx81S029527 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIx8d2029523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIx8h3017863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:08 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIwqFZ013252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:58:53 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DIwpT9003306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:58:52 -0500 Message-ID: <43F0D6EB.7030606@nks.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:58:51 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SCSI issue References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> <1139780804.16742.102.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1a3a3e310602130730k12256bc5p2eeef9d4e5ca397f@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c630cb$039cf470$0200a8c0@athlon2400> In-Reply-To: <000a01c630cb$039cf470$0200a8c0@athlon2400> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000503040306080008090007" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.361, required 6, AWL -0.04, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000503040306080008090007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James wrote: > This is from a forum i go to and thought it was a good question? > > Need a linux guru to help me with this one. > I decided to install linux on my an35n ultra system. Wanted a distrib > that would get me up and running right away, but lighter weight and > with a bit more learning curve. Decided to try out VectorLinux. Its > based on slackware. > My problem is that I have decided to install the OSs on this system on > a scsi drive. The scsi card is an aha-29160N. Which so happens NOT to > be detected by the VL install. Someone suggested on the VL forum that > I need to boot using the Slackware scsi (adaptec.s) floppy and from > there then load the VL root floppy to start the install. This worked > perfectly. But, I am stuck with needing to use the Slackware floppy to > boot root on the scsi drive. VL runs fine ...though lacking some > hardware support ...it seems like a great distribution, I'm hoping to > get the boot issue resolved and then see if the missing hardware can > also be resolved ...which should be no problem ...hopefully. > > Now as far as I understand I need to use initrd because I am booting > from a scsi drive. Not sure why I need a ramdisk image to do this. ?? > But, even if I add that to the lilo.conf, how would VL suddenly > support my scsi card if it didnt during the install? Do I need to add > a driver or module (whatever its called in the linux world) for the > card? Another suggestion I was given is to replace the kernel with the > kernel from the slackware floppy. ?? I am not at all sure how to do > that and if it is even a good idea. What worries me further is the > fact that my promise IDE card is not supported and I would assume that > it would not be using the slackware kernel. ...but, as you can see, I > am over my head here. > Any suggestions? When you build a kernel you end up with a monolithic kernel and a number of modular drivers. If you compile the drivers into the monolithic kernel you don't need an initrd. If you compile a driver as a module you need to build an initrd that holds the driver and a linuxrc init script to load it on boot. To reiterate: monolithic "vmlinuz" == one big file containing your kernel and all the drivers that it needs. modular "initrd" == a filesystem containing kernel modules and a linuxrc init script to load drivers for your hardware. There's also a new method in 2.6: initramfs. It's a CPIO archive that gets extracted into a ramfs root disk (that all 2.6 kernels use by default). The most interesting part about this is that the initramfs is tagged onto the end of the kernel, so you end up with one large file without the need for a separate initrd file. Very few folks seem to grok initramfs, so you'll probably not run into it yet. The slackware scsi (adaptec.s) floppy apparently has the driver you need. If you use that kernel to install then you still have the problem of installing that kernel (or another kernel with adaptec driver support) *before* rebooting. During your install, you _must_ install a kernel with a driver that can address your block devices needed for booting your system. The difference is that you're running a different kernel _now_ than you will be running when you reboot (whatever kernel VL installs).. Most distributions have a handful of "install" kernels that are different than a "production" kernel, usually loaded full of drivers that you _might_ need vs drivers that you actually need to function. If VL is like this (I honestly don't know, I don't run VL), you may be lucky and have VL install a _different_ kernel that it uses on install that will support your adaptec card. Yes, you can use the kernel from the slackware floppy. It worked well enough to install from. You should be able to mount the boot floppy during the install stages from a shell and copy the kernel (and any initrd) over. I've done this a number of times in the past. The kernel may not be optimal, but it should allow you to boot your VL environment with a compiler to build your own kernel. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 15:30:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKUwYR030244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DKUwgP030243 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKUvIl030239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKUvET021424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:57 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKUo53023687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:51 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1DKQZnm029422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:26:38 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1F8kLM-00089i-HK for slug@nks.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:44 -0500 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602130721x47559eefg8a1b0978d5de6b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> <1a3a3e310602130721x47559eefg8a1b0978d5de6b5c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:30:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:26:40 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.749, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.72, BAYES_05 -1.11, TW_GL 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard said: > On 2/12/06, michael hast wrote: > If you're using a debian standard kernel, you can use the nvidia-glx > and associated packages from apt. The executable packages from > nvidia.com are more for roll-your-owners. Yes, that's probably the best way to go. You're stuck with the older 7174 drivers, though, if you're running Stable. The newer drivers, at least in Sid, require a recent version of nvidia-glx which you'd also have to pull from Sid, along with most of Sid. If you don't plan on playing games it probably doesn't matter, though. 7174 has been stable for me for a year. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 15:38:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKcc74030292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DKcc6N030291 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKcbfr030287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKcbbC021577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:38 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKcP45024061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:25 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1DKYCnm029788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:34:13 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1F8kSj-0008H4-04 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:21 -0500 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54225.216.134.200.78.1139863101.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <43F0D6EB.7030606@nks.net> References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <200602111745.56786.steve@szmidt.org> <004201c62fb9$c1529d70$6401a8c0@Stan> <43EF9733.5040603@nks.net> <1139780804.16742.102.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1a3a3e310602130730k12256bc5p2eeef9d4e5ca397f@mail.gmail.com> <000a01c630cb$039cf470$0200a8c0@athlon2400> <43F0D6EB.7030606@nks.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:38:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] SCSI issue From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.135, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.39, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian Blenke said: > When you build a kernel you end up with a monolithic kernel and a number > of modular drivers. If you compile the drivers into the monolithic > kernel you don't need an initrd. If you compile a driver as a module you > need to build an initrd that holds the driver and a linuxrc init script > to load it on boot. > > To reiterate: > monolithic "vmlinuz" == one big file containing your kernel and all the > drivers that it needs. > modular "initrd" == a filesystem containing kernel modules and a linuxrc > init script to load drivers for your hardware. If you have an LVM'd root filesystem, you will need an initrd image as you require a few userspace tools to activate your LVM root before the root filesystem is available. > > There's also a new method in 2.6: initramfs. It's a CPIO archive that > gets extracted into a ramfs root disk (that all 2.6 kernels use by > default). The most interesting part about this is that the initramfs is > tagged onto the end of the kernel, so you end up with one large file > without the need for a separate initrd file. Very few folks seem to grok > initramfs, so you'll probably not run into it yet. > On a somewhat related note, if you've been enjoying cramfs for initrd images, I've discovered that's no longer The Way (tm). Modern kernels, at least over the past nine months or so, seem to prefer initramfs. What's more, on Debian, mkinitrd is depreciated. I've been using yaird, which is available from Unstable and Backports for Debian Stable, for creating initramfs compatible images. mkinitrd no longer is able to properly determine what your root device may be and completely mangles root LVM installs which yaird handles correctly. Just fyi. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 15:51:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKplUc030387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:51:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1DKplpx030386 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:51:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKpljZ030382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:51:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKpkUB022048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:51:47 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1DKpTR4017887 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:51:30 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so946877wra for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:51:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s4AMPQ0FperFWDarY/jdqvJXpKN0zbIUTSEuDN5wm5b4yeL1AoDPfaG6SbFmz/LfVrVaENX6z7ZpV24jGF2xVnMmsFspv9JroUcNKcms/Z5EUFFK3nDImaTmohXdYcJcrqyaFk0KAz6zo3fAeFEojGh14qsY7oSR1tEYnQdPrqk= Received: by 10.54.93.13 with SMTP id q13mr1491994wrb; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.102.4 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:51:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602131251i36d86b13me0e408abd318cef6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:51:28 -0600 From: Levi Bard To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers In-Reply-To: <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> <1a3a3e310602130721x47559eefg8a1b0978d5de6b5c@mail.gmail.com> <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.517, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_GL 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1DKpljY030383 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > You're stuck with the older 7174 drivers, though, if you're running Stable. > The newer drivers, at least in Sid, require a recent version of nvidia-glx > which you'd also have to pull from Sid, along with most of Sid. If you > don't plan on playing games it probably doesn't matter, though. 7174 has > been stable for me for a year. I've been using 6629 until quite recently with no complaints. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 19:42:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0gfgE032035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:42:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1E0gfgb032034 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:42:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0geOV032030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:42:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0geja030359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:42:40 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0gRgq007920 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:42:27 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060214004233.EVMV8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: <43F1362F.10004@cox.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:45:19 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List References: <43E987AF.20409@quillandmouse.com> <43EE1780.10507@quillandmouse.com> <200602130539.15203.steve@szmidt.org> <001801c630ab$f2c78260$0200a8c0@athlon2400> In-Reply-To: <001801c630ab$f2c78260$0200a8c0@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.043, required 6, AWL -1.46, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net James wrote: > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] RoadRunner blocking SLUG List > > I am just glad that i can get the emails. I was going thru withdrawal > for a while. I have also saved 100's of messages to text files on > questions and answers that let me have the knowledge i could'nt get > anywhere else. > > kudo's to all who has helped me by being on this list. I don't think i > would have attempted to even try Linux without you guys and gals. > > JamesS > Here, here! Double and possibly even triple that one! There are so many times that I would have thrown in the towel... I'm not going to claim to yet be proficient, but I owe my proficiency level to this list. Thank you all. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 19:49:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0nmlY032084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:49:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1E0nmK1032083 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:49:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0nmMQ032079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:49:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0nmFf030629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:49:48 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net (centrmmtao02.cox.net [70.168.83.82]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E0nSKQ001790 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:49:28 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060214004937.ONSP8484.centrmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <43F137D3.4050900@cox.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:52:19 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> <1a3a3e310602130721x47559eefg8a1b0978d5de6b5c@mail.gmail.com> <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.53, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.61, BAYES_50 0.00, TW_GL 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jason Boxman wrote: >Levi Bard said: > > >>On 2/12/06, michael hast wrote: >> >> > > > >>If you're using a debian standard kernel, you can use the nvidia-glx >>and associated packages from apt. The executable packages from >>nvidia.com are more for roll-your-owners. >> >> > >Yes, that's probably the best way to go. > >You're stuck with the older 7174 drivers, though, if you're running Stable. >The newer drivers, at least in Sid, require a recent version of nvidia-glx >which you'd also have to pull from Sid, along with most of Sid. If you >don't plan on playing games it probably doesn't matter, though. 7174 has >been stable for me for a year. > > > > > Cool! All I want thls bad-boy to do for me is run the dual-heads with decent response time. No, I have not done much in the way of gaming, and although I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm not rushing into that anytime soon, either. I will try that and see how it goes. Any other tips on getting the dual-head configured properly? I'm starting from scratch on this one. Thanks, guys! -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 20:47:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E1lxGw032527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:47:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1E1lx67032526 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:47:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E1lwvL032522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:47:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E1lw6v032680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:47:58 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EEfOE7005829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:41:25 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1E1hYnm016072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:43:36 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1F8pI7-0006RN-M5 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:47:43 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:47:43 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <43F137D3.4050900@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <43F137D3.4050900@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602132047.43436.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:43:36 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.155, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, TW_GL 0.08, TW_KG 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 13 February 2006 20:52, michael hast wrote: > Jason Boxman wrote: > >Levi Bard said: > >>On 2/12/06, michael hast wrote: > > > > > > > >>If you're using a debian standard kernel, you can use the nvidia-glx > >>and associated packages from apt. The executable packages from > >>nvidia.com are more for roll-your-owners. > > > >Yes, that's probably the best way to go. > > > >You're stuck with the older 7174 drivers, though, if you're running > > Stable. The newer drivers, at least in Sid, require a recent version of > > nvidia-glx which you'd also have to pull from Sid, along with most of > > Sid. If you don't plan on playing games it probably doesn't matter, > > though. 7174 has been stable for me for a year. > > Cool! All I want thls bad-boy to do for me is run the dual-heads with > decent response time. No, I have not done much in the way of gaming, > and although I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm not rushing into that > anytime soon, either. I will try that and see how it goes. Any other > tips on getting the dual-head configured properly? I'm starting from > scratch on this one. Thanks, guys! Works For Me (tm): Section "Device" Identifier "nvidia" Driver "nvidia" Option "RenderAccel" "true" Option "TwinView" "true" Option "TwinViewOrientation" "LefOf" Option "MetaModes" "1152x864,1152x864;NULL,1152x864" Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" Option "Nologo" "true" EndSection The second meta mode was supposedly to force off a display so gnucash doesn't have squashed graphs (It thinks my display is 1152x864*2 which I guess it really is, but most apps have a concept of a 'screen' size) but it just turns off the part of the framebuffer. kghostview has the same issue. I haven't encountered the problem with any others I use, though. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 13 21:51:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E2pR7D000505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:51:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1E2pRx6000504 for slug-track29; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:51:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E2pRuk000500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:51:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E2pRFn002257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:51:27 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E2p5Vo019081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:51:06 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1E2p4DA022254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:51:05 -0500 Message-ID: <43F14598.8080101@nks.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:51:04 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> <1a3a3e310602130721x47559eefg8a1b0978d5de6b5c@mail.gmail.com> <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <43F137D3.4050900@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <43F137D3.4050900@cox.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090606060707060503000408" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.357, required 6, AWL -0.04, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, TW_GL 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090606060707060503000408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael hast wrote: > Jason Boxman wrote: > >> Levi Bard said: >> >> >>> On 2/12/06, michael hast wrote: >>> >> >> >> >>> If you're using a debian standard kernel, you can use the nvidia-glx >>> and associated packages from apt. The executable packages from >>> nvidia.com are more for roll-your-owners. >>> >> >> Yes, that's probably the best way to go. >> >> You're stuck with the older 7174 drivers, though, if you're running >> Stable. The newer drivers, at least in Sid, require a recent version >> of nvidia-glx >> which you'd also have to pull from Sid, along with most of Sid. If you >> don't plan on playing games it probably doesn't matter, though. 7174 >> has >> been stable for me for a year. >> >> >> >> >> > Cool! All I want thls bad-boy to do for me is run the dual-heads with > decent response time. No, I have not done much in the way of gaming, > and although I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm not rushing into that > anytime soon, either. I will try that and see how it goes. Any other > tips on getting the dual-head configured properly? I'm starting from > scratch on this one. Thanks, guys! > > Here is the section from my nvidia dual-head setup here at home. It covers just about every possible option: Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, : float, : "True"/"False", ### : "String", : " Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "DigitalVibrance" # #Option "NoFlip" # [] #Option "Dac8Bit" # [] #Option "NoLogo" # [] #Option "UBB" # [] #Option "Stereo" # #Option "SWcursor" # [] #Option "HWcursor" # [] #Option "VideoKey" # #Option "NvAGP" # #Option "IgnoreEDID" "true" #Option "NoDDC" # [] #Option "ConnectedMonitor" # #Option "ConnectedMonitors" # #Option "TVStandard" # #Option "TVOutFormat" # #Option "RenderAccel" # [] #Option "CursorShadow" # [] #Option "CursorShadowAlpha" # #Option "CursorShadowXOffset" # #Option "CursorShadowYOffset" # #Option "UseEdidFreqs" # [] Option "FlatPanelProperties" "Scaling = centered, Dithering = enabled" #Option "TwinView" # [] #Option "TwinViewOrientation" # #Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" # #Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" # #Option "MetaModes" # #Option "UseInt10Module" # [] #Option "NoTwinViewXineramaInfo" # [] #Option "NoRenderExtension" # [] #Option "Overlay" # [] #Option "CIOverlay" # [] #Option "ForceEmulatedOverlay" # [] #Option "TransparentIndex" # #Option "OverlayDefaultVisual" # [] #Option "NvEmulate" # #Option "NoBandWidthTest" "true" #Option "CustomEDID-CRT-0" "150" #Option "CustomEDID-CRT-1" "150" #Option "CustomEDID-DFP-0" # #Option "CustomEDID-DFP-1" # #Option "CustomEDID-TV-0" # #Option "CustomEDID-TV-1" # #Option "TVOverScan" # #Option "IgnoreDisplayDevices" # #Option "MultisampleCompatibility" # [] #Option "RegistryDwords" # #Option "RegistryBinary" # #Option "NoPowerConnectorCheck" # [] #Option "AllowDFPStereo" # [] #Option "XvMCUsesTextures" # [] #Option "HorizSync" # #Option "VertRefresh" # #Option "RandRRotation" # [] #Option "ExactModeTimingsDVI" # [] #Option "Coolbits" # #Option "AllowDDCCI" # [] #Option "ConstantFrameRateHint" # [] #Option "LoadKernelModule" # [] Identifier "nVidia GeForce2 MX 400 TwinView" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "nVidia Corporation" BoardName "NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400]" BusID "PCI:0:20:0" Option "NoLogo" "True" #Option "RandRRotation" "True" #Option "CursorShadow" "1" Option "NvAGP" "2" Option "DigitalVibrance" "2" Option "RenderAccel" "False" Option "NoRenderExtension" "True" Option "TwinView" "True" #Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "True" Option "Metamodes" "1024x768,1024x768;800x600,800x600" #Option "NoDDC" "true" Option "ConnectedMonitor" "crt,crt" Option "TwinViewOrientation" "RightOf" #Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "60-75" #Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-80" EndSection -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 11:35:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EGZEuj006441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:35:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1EGZEnd006440 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:35:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EGZEnb006436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:35:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EGZDg9011509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:35:14 -0500 Received: from lucius.provo.novell.com (lucius.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.172]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EGYTbQ003627 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:34:30 -0500 Received: from INET-PRV1-MTA by lucius.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:34:26 -0700 Message-Id: <43F1C02E.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:34:06 -0700 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Kiosk @ USF References: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> In-Reply-To: <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net These threads die quick. >>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 3:03 pm, in message <43ECF183.2010909@sigtom.com>, sigtom@sigtom.com wrote: > Hi, > > Ive recently started working at USF in the registrar/admissions office > as a support tech. Its part time, I like the work, and the people here > are great. Im not sure how many of you are familiar with USF in Tampa, > but here in the Registar's office, we have 10 PCs set up that allow > students to logon to Oasis (which is the student/faculty web > app/portal). It gives them access to class registration, paying for > classes, etc. The PCs are now running Win 2000, using Active Desktop to > make the home page (set to the Oasis Announcment page) the background. > They do allow the students to check email thru their USF accounts, and > Ive been told they would like to allow students to access webmail esp so > they can check thier own email (gmail, yahoo, hotmail, whatever) in case > there are classes or professors listed in the emails that they need > access to while using Oasis here in our office. > > Ive been told that I can switch all the PCs over to linux. My boss' > like the idea of using linux, they like the fact that many students wont > be able to/arent able to 'mess up linux like they can Windows', and that > any web exploits are mainly targeted to IE and windows boxes, as well as > spyware/adware. Ive been thinking of how best to do this, and would > like input from the list. > > Heres what Im thinking so far, please correct me if Im wrong. > > Id install Kubuntu (Im a KDE fan) Breezy Badger on a server. This would > be my LTSP server (using Ubuntu since LTSP has been integrated into this > distro). That machine would have either one 20 GB and one 100 GB HDD, > the 20 GB holding the OS for the server, the 100GB holding all my boot > images/kernels/fs needed for my clients and wold be exported w/NFS to > each client for /home and the like. Ive never used LTSP before, but > have been reading all I can on thier site and wiki to get some ideas of > the software. Is it correct in my thinking that I would make just one > boot image/kernel, and then all 10 PCs would be able to use that same > kernel as long as each PC had the same hardware; or no matter what > hardware the machines have, identical or not, they would all use a diff > kernel? Hope that question made sense. I thought that LTSP would just > use one kernel that all 10 PCs would use, so upgrading is as easy as > just upgrading one kernel and fs, and all PCs would be updated, or is > that incorrect? The 10 PCs we have now are all at least P2s Ive been > told, but havent checked. Id hopefully be able to boot each one with > netboot thru the BIOS using the network interface, but can always get > around that with a boot floppy if need be. > > Im looking for a solution thats mainly easy to keep working (no downtime > is good, the PCs are only on 9 hours a day, so its not 24/7 at least) > and is easy to deploy to at least 10 diff machines, maybe scalable if > the powers that be like it enough. Does anyone have any suggestions for > that idea? Id like to be able to keep on using the PCs we already have, > as that keeps costs to nothing (well except my pay hehe). Is there > anyone thats deployed LTSP in a similar env, and if so, have any tips? > I appreciate it, and look forward to the lists reply. > > Tom Craddock What you describe is exactly what we setup daily (ok...a bit of an exaggeration - several times a month) for retail customers worldwide. Several servers (for redundancy) (SLES, of course) with in some cases 1000's of client desktops served up in a number of ways (PXE boot with a slim image, HDD book, etc) all managed thru the management console of NLPOS (Novell Linux Point of Service). I've also setup NOMACHINE to front end a similiar setup. What's nice about NoMachine is that you can manage the "clients" easily and even lock things down fairly well. I've found that PXE boot is the best (depending on size of the image and bandwidth constraints) and that remote X sessions, LTSP, or UML sessions being more challenging due mainly to congestion (that's where NOMACHINE's X compression is nice). The more images you have to manage the harder it gets to update things. I think you may be surprised to find that SUSE Linux 10.0 (www.opensuse.org) will have a very large hardware support repository and it supports KDE and GNOME (you could give the user a choice?) just the same. But, I'm also biased. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 14:00:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EJ0VuB007472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1EJ0Vp9007471 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EJ0UMZ007467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EJ0UTS018529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:30 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EJ0I5K028856 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:18 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SlNNh+AmeEax8aF+TbNHz1+DhPAW4wjvc1jkTFmju9vyTZmtfar13Sy3VsISGbQq; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F95PL-0000r7-Ta for slug@nks.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:16 -0500 From: SOTL To: SLUG Linux Subject: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:00:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F01270.9040609@accesscomm.ca> In-Reply-To: <43F01270.9040609@accesscomm.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c260948dd0296965f21deb598adc3c66c00d5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.258, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.34, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All I am trying to make a Samba between two SuSE 10.0 boxes. Unfortunately I still get an error message: Can not find slp:/ in the tree Internal Error It believe that the source of the problem may be my smppasswd file are incorrect. I would appreciate suggestion as to the validity of the following files: ____ SERVER smppasswd # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf # # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page of # smb.conf for more information. root:0:7AFFBB23C42095FE1841B9F02226DD3D:CDA6A2FA4891C12AD967B90778206005: [U ]:LCT-43EED964: _____ CLIENT smbpasswd # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf # # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page of # smb.conf for more information. _____ The user name for the CLIENT is "trunk" with password "Clienttestpw" The user name for the SERVER is "office" with password "Servertestpw" _____ Thanks SOTL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 15:39:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EKdSwn008178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:39:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1EKdSSt008177 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:39:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EKdSmM008173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:39:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EKdRKD022184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:39:28 -0500 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EKd8xw028477 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:39:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD9175CC0C for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:34:08 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F01270.9040609@accesscomm.ca> <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > I am trying to make a Samba between two SuSE 10.0 boxes. > > Unfortunately I still get an error message: > > Can not find slp:/ in the tree Internal Error > > It believe that the source of the problem may be my smppasswd file are > incorrect. > > I would appreciate suggestion as to the validity of the following files: > > ____ > SERVER smppasswd > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is set > # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] section of > # /etc/samba/smb.conf > # > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page of > # smb.conf for more information. > root:0:7AFFBB23C42095FE1841B9F02226DD3D:CDA6A2FA4891C12AD967B90778206005: > [U ]:LCT-43EED964: > _____ > CLIENT smbpasswd > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is set > # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] section of > # /etc/samba/smb.conf > # > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page of > # smb.conf for more information. > _____ > > The user name for the CLIENT is "trunk" with password "Clienttestpw" > The user name for the SERVER is "office" with password "Servertestpw" > _____ > > Thanks > SOTL > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Why would you bother using Samba between Linux boxen when something like rsync, scp, or NFS would be a much better solution. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 16:22:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELMVjB008552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:22:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1ELMVeG008551 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:22:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELMUGT008547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:22:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELMU5v023912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:22:30 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELMM7O000314 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:22:22 -0500 Received: from sarge ([71.101.116.183]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUP006KI4P9IZ44@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:22:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:22:17 -0500 From: "Robert Snyder" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration In-reply-to: <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> To: Message-id: <0IUP006KK4P9IZ44@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcYxp1Ow3SH+VC8HS0aCA1T13UV+BAABSNOA X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.322, required 6, AWL 0.77, BAYES_00 -2.60, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Craig Zeigler Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:34 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > I am trying to make a Samba between two SuSE 10.0 boxes. > > Unfortunately I still get an error message: > > Can not find slp:/ in the tree Internal Error > > It believe that the source of the problem may be my smppasswd file are > incorrect. > > I would appreciate suggestion as to the validity of the following files: > > ____ > SERVER smppasswd > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is set > # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] section of > # /etc/samba/smb.conf > # > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page of > # smb.conf for more information. > root:0:7AFFBB23C42095FE1841B9F02226DD3D:CDA6A2FA4891C12AD967B90778206005: > [U ]:LCT-43EED964: > _____ > CLIENT smbpasswd > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is set > # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] section of > # /etc/samba/smb.conf > # > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page of > # smb.conf for more information. > _____ > > The user name for the CLIENT is "trunk" with password "Clienttestpw" > The user name for the SERVER is "office" with password "Servertestpw" > _____ > > Thanks > SOTL > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Why would you bother using Samba between Linux boxen when something like rsync, scp, or NFS would be a much better solution. Now I am not an expert but maybe he is using samba as the rest of his network is of windows boxes. And figure it was just easy to connect to the other linux box via samba. Not saying it is like that but you never know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 16:39:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELdkLS008638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:39:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1ELdk3R008637 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:39:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELdkpF008633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:39:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELdjtV024349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:39:45 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FAX52c032135 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:33:05 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lGURtF4LvR6l0QU7e6tobh9uSUF41RkQG+ph6/s4u0Qwxrw8gdlk+cVALh6w1sFC; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F97tY-0001J3-Kz for slug@nks.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:39:36 -0500 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:39:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> In-Reply-To: <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609e519728eedaeb0fabb6f2800b7841276350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 14 February 2006 03:34 pm, Craig Zeigler wrote: > SOTL wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I am trying to make a Samba between two SuSE 10.0 boxes. > > > > Unfortunately I still get an error message: > > > > Can not find slp:/ in the tree Internal Error > > > > It believe that the source of the problem may be my smppasswd file are > > incorrect. > > > > I would appreciate suggestion as to the validity of the following files: > > > > ____ > > SERVER smppasswd > > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is > > set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] > > section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf > > # > > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page > > of # smb.conf for more information. > > root:0:7AFFBB23C42095FE1841B9F02226DD3D:CDA6A2FA4891C12AD967B90778206005: > > [U ]:LCT-43EED964: > > _____ > > CLIENT smbpasswd > > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is > > set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] > > section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf > > # > > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page > > of # smb.conf for more information. > > _____ > > > > The user name for the CLIENT is "trunk" with password "Clienttestpw" > > The user name for the SERVER is "office" with password "Servertestpw" > > _____ > > > > Thanks > > SOTL > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > Why would you bother using Samba between Linux boxen when something like > rsync, scp, or NFS would be a much better solution. Because that is the easiest way to set up any control or computer system system be it Linux or Microsoft or what ever. If possible first you take a computer from a system that is known to function for its given usage correctly. Then you add the first component to it that is unknown and attempt to make that component work with the component that you know to operate correct. Then you proceed on and add an additional component making it work too until you get the system to work. It is always much harder to take two components neither of which you know to work correct with another and make them work together. If you have to do this, two components which you do not know to function correctly in a system, then it is best to use two components that are identical from the same manufacture that eliminates the issue both saying it is not our fault it is the other guy's fault. The worst thing one can possible attempt is to take two components which may or may not work correctly in a system from two different vendors and attempt to marry their operation together while at the same time having as zero experience in making such marriage one at that point is guaranteed a hard time. What I have done is attempt to eliminate as much of this as possible by putting two identical systems in two computers and start attempting to marry their operations. Also you may consider neither computer being used for this is setup for MS Windows simply because I have NO MS Windows system to install on either. This is of course by choice as I am not going to pay for an inferior system. You will note in all the above including my original post that there was anything about what I am attempting to do. The only question that I ask was a pure technical question and help with a basic configuration file. And, if I recall correctly this is what started the last rank involving myself and others on this list so lets just keep it this time to the simple original technical question of are the two Samba files correct or not. I have no desires to get into a rank about the relative merits of connecting a MS box to a Linux box with NFS or Samba. Yes a MS box can be connected to a Linux box using NFS but in order to do so one must add files and programs to the MS box. That adding files to the MS boxes in my office is not going to fly with Management. So the solutions you are henting at above are not solutions but political traps both on and off this list. Sorry for the rank and long explanation but I am still kinda of pissed about the last time I ask technical question and got into a war over it. SOTL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 16:49:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELnqVA008721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:49:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1ELnqqc008720 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:49:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELnp2u008716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:49:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELnpQR024689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:49:51 -0500 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ELncQ6016620 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:49:39 -0500 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.100.238.69]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUP00J8L5YBSOO1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:49:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:49:22 -0500 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] graphics drivers In-reply-to: <43F137D3.4050900@cox.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200602141649.22975.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <43EFDA96.2020104@cox.net> <50386.216.134.200.78.1139862644.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <43F137D3.4050900@cox.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.459, required 6, AWL -0.70, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Any other > tips on getting the dual-head configured properly? I'm starting from > scratch on this one. Thanks, guys! The README file that comes with the drivers has a very good section on dual head setups. I have used it on numerous occasions to set up my card. Back up your config file to a known location first so you can put it back through command line when you mess it up (and you will). Have fun tinkering ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 17:47:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EMlP6Y009145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1EMlPdM009144 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EMlPnn009140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EMlO1w026759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:24 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1EMl64i022430 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:47:06 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i14so1383140wra for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:47:05 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pWCMdv8Jof/8/zXhqD0TPgr6/j8CDE8FEFGTICZsGLKNf6NnCwjZYJBUmbOVMWLptYbkXistj+2n8vdyF5BUK3Gdju7PFK+e+Q6IBVF8jXtpnchjwvZFhYxQhtdE6U3ptNJ8MEomiCzA5OuMqM9v6omZ0rawnkykCghyro8RavM= Received: by 10.54.91.9 with SMTP id o9mr150702wrb; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.136.5 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:46:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:46:53 -0500 From: Alex Harris To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration In-Reply-To: <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.261, required 6, AWL -0.34, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_63 0.60, TW_TD 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1EMlPnm009141 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually between two linux machines the easiest filesharing (and by far most resource efficient) is NFS for filesharing and NIS for authentication (the two things that samba can do for windows machines. However.., I do understand what you mean about how you ask how to do something, and what you get back is a "you shouldn't do that, you should do xyz", and they don't mention anything about how to do what you asked, which can be most annoying. So..., now for the how: For each account that will access the machine with samba, you need that account to be listed in two places, /etc/passwd (and in most cases /etc/shadow, but that would be handled by adduser or useradd), and the samba password file (usually /etc/smbpasswd, but could also be passdb.tdb (locations of that tdbsam formatted file vary, you can tell if it's smbpasswd or tdbsam by looking in your smb.conf file). note: If you want samba to be a pdc I strongly recommend the tdbsam format, even though it's binary the system seems to handle it much better (don't know if samba -3 will even work as a pdc with the text formatted one). As you don't have the accounts you mentioned in the password files that would be your first issue. You also need to list which shares you want to be accessible to the other computers in your smb.conf file. Probably the best way to do this (especially if you have a lot of shares, or want special permissions/options) is with swat (samba web administration tool). You usually have to go into either inetd.conf or (more likely with a current distro), xinetd, there's both a single file, and a directory of files which you'll have to poke around in to enable. If you want to edit manually, usually your distro does provide a smb.conf file that you can edit to get some basic features (I personally save a copy of the distro's version elsewhere in case I mess up). Or you can look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-6.html (though it's 6 years old). Sorry I can't provide any more, it's been a decade or two since I've last used suse (I've mostly used redhat and debian these days). On 2/14/06, SOTL wrote: > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 03:34 pm, Craig Zeigler wrote: > > SOTL wrote: > > > Hi All > > > > > > I am trying to make a Samba between two SuSE 10.0 boxes. > > > > > > Unfortunately I still get an error message: > > > > > > Can not find slp:/ in the tree Internal Error > > > > > > It believe that the source of the problem may be my smppasswd file are > > > incorrect. > > > > > > I would appreciate suggestion as to the validity of the following files: > > > > > > ____ > > > SERVER smppasswd > > > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is > > > set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] > > > section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > # > > > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page > > > of # smb.conf for more information. > > > root:0:7AFFBB23C42095FE1841B9F02226DD3D:CDA6A2FA4891C12AD967B90778206005: > > > [U ]:LCT-43EED964: > > > _____ > > > CLIENT smbpasswd > > > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is > > > set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] > > > section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf > > > # > > > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page > > > of # smb.conf for more information. > > > _____ > > > > > > The user name for the CLIENT is "trunk" with password "Clienttestpw" > > > The user name for the SERVER is "office" with password "Servertestpw" > > > _____ > > > > > > Thanks > > > SOTL > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > Why would you bother using Samba between Linux boxen when something like > > rsync, scp, or NFS would be a much better solution. > > Because that is the easiest way to set up any control or computer system > system be it Linux or Microsoft or what ever. > > If possible first you take a computer from a system that is known to function > for its given usage correctly. > > Then you add the first component to it that is unknown and attempt to make > that component work with the component that you know to operate correct. > > Then you proceed on and add an additional component making it work too until > you get the system to work. > > It is always much harder to take two components neither of which you know to > work correct with another and make them work together. > > If you have to do this, two components which you do not know to function > correctly in a system, then it is best to use two components that are > identical from the same manufacture that eliminates the issue both saying it > is not our fault it is the other guy's fault. > > The worst thing one can possible attempt is to take two components which may > or may not work correctly in a system from two different vendors and attempt > to marry their operation together while at the same time having as zero > experience in making such marriage one at that point is guaranteed a hard > time. > > What I have done is attempt to eliminate as much of this as possible by > putting two identical systems in two computers and start attempting to marry > their operations. > > Also you may consider neither computer being used for this is setup for MS > Windows simply because I have NO MS Windows system to install on either. This > is of course by choice as I am not going to pay for an inferior system. > > You will note in all the above including my original post that there was > anything about what I am attempting to do. The only question that I ask was a > pure technical question and help with a basic configuration file. And, if I > recall correctly this is what started the last rank involving myself and > others on this list so lets just keep it this time to the simple original > technical question of are the two Samba files correct or not. I have no > desires to get into a rank about the relative merits of connecting a MS box > to a Linux box with NFS or Samba. Yes a MS box can be connected to a Linux > box using NFS but in order to do so one must add files and programs to the MS > box. That adding files to the MS boxes in my office is not going to fly with > Management. So the solutions you are henting at above are not solutions but > political traps both on and off this list. > > Sorry for the rank and long explanation but I am still kinda of pissed about > the last time I ask technical question and got into a war over it. > > SOTL > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 18:46:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ENk2lf009579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:46:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1ENk2nG009578 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:46:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ENk2Ct009574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:46:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ENk13B028909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:46:02 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1ENjmi0018990 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:45:48 -0500 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.100.238.69]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUP00AS6BCBO751@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:45:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:45:44 -0500 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Yahoo Groups replacement In-reply-to: <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.444, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I formed a homebrew club a few years ago. I set up a Yahoo group for our club to use. Several members are not thrilled with all the extra bs on yahoo. Since I already host our website (http://www.hamsbeer.com), I am looking for a replacement app to put on my server to replace yahoo groups. Required features are: optional features include: calendar photo albums file sharing address book message forum (e-mail) chat individual login accounts anyone know of such an application? not quite groupware. Have no clue what words to plug into google. Thanks in advance Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 19:04:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F04Yr7009739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:04:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1F04Y0V009738 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:04:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F04X8D009734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:04:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F04Xn9029544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:04:33 -0500 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F04OL5018353 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:04:25 -0500 Received: from sarge ([71.101.116.183]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUP00GKJC75B6I4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:04:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:04:14 -0500 From: "Robert Snyder" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Yahoo Groups replacement In-reply-to: <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> To: Message-id: <0IUP00GKKC76B6I4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: AcYxwRgiPlmnQDBvQZ2o1mWrb43i1wAAfwOQ X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.877, required 6, AWL -0.54, BAYES_20 -0.74, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe if you are running your groups site you might want to check out http://groupserver.org/ install it on your server and it replaces all the requirements you set foot minus the calendar which you can install webcal on your box as well for the calendar feature. Then you have other solutions like ones from MSN groups, topica, and others. -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brandt Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:46 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Yahoo Groups replacement I formed a homebrew club a few years ago. I set up a Yahoo group for our club to use. Several members are not thrilled with all the extra bs on yahoo. Since I already host our website (http://www.hamsbeer.com), I am looking for a replacement app to put on my server to replace yahoo groups. Required features are: optional features include: calendar photo albums file sharing address book message forum (e-mail) chat individual login accounts anyone know of such an application? not quite groupware. Have no clue what words to plug into google. Thanks in advance Joe Brandt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 19:06:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F06rmY009759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:06:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1F06rL1009758 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:06:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F06r4I009754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:06:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F06rDu029617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:06:53 -0500 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F06clw020757 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:06:39 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87AFEE92E for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] A little note on email threads Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:06:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602141906.32443.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.464, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Depending on your email software you may lack the ability to properly track threads in email. What a thread does is keep replies together so that you can follow a specific discussion amongst all the others. In the email program it shows it self similar to a directory (folder) with a subfolder for each reply. It's very easy to follow each independant thread. In older type of email program it was done by just comparing the subject line. But for many years better email programs reads the header item which says which thread it is. The result is that even if you change the subject line it still shows up as part of the original thread. Most people like to be able to click on a name and then hit reply, to save typing the address. You can still do that but just choose New rather than Reply. Just right click on slug@nks.net and choose New, and you'll save the hassle and all of us who have the more feature rich software don't have to wade through mixed threads. (Plus it's a bit rude to steal someone elses thread. Of course I'm sure that's not the intent.) You can tell if your program supports threads properly by the appearance of this emal. It actually belongs to the "Basic SAMBA Configuration" thread. If you see it as a new subject then it does not do threads like modern software does. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 19:18:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F0Ioag009890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:18:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1F0Io4R009889 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:18:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F0IoQL009885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:18:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F0Iohs030170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:18:50 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F0IdFN029068 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:18:40 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060215001843.WOYY8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:18:43 -0500 Message-ID: <43F2821D.2070303@cox.net> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:21:33 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yahoo Groups replacement References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.436, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.44, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Joe Brandt wrote: >I formed a homebrew club a few years ago. I set up a Yahoo group for our club >to use. Several members are not thrilled with all the extra bs on yahoo. >Since I already host our website (http://www.hamsbeer.com), I am looking for >a replacement app to put on my server to replace yahoo groups. > >Required features are: optional features include: > >calendar photo albums >file sharing address book >message forum (e-mail) chat >individual login accounts > >anyone know of such an application? not quite groupware. Have no clue what >words to plug into google. > >Thanks in advance >Joe Brandt > > > That is so cool! My wife and I have been talking about starting an Ale Association here in the Okc area. It could be A. A. for short... -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 20:14:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F1EOmJ010263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:14:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1F1EO1C010262 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:14:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F1EN2O010258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:14:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F1ENso032308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:14:23 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.202]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F1EFJE021010 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:14:15 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t13so909027wxc for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:14:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=obVuXCKF/t1jnbsdrRBviteDxENSvQBdIvhN/Hnfe7+sTecVhhyDGYZ++8kMq/awOVix0Ge8C4Dm2Y3/hnNo288vca4mx7JjsYYC9n01rLd6qPM982Zgl3TjVO/Q/O0JyHoy6Of9Ex0B24rejzHvJMquMXFdmi8G47DaZE5JjDE= Received: by 10.70.103.19 with SMTP id a19mr4895046wxc; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.78.18 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:14:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd0602141714n5c2c2b51pfa2a170270b170c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:14:14 -0500 From: Daniel Jarboe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.58, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1F1EO2N010259 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you want Samba help your best bet is to post your smb.conf file. Also your ultimate goals with user's / security or anything along those lines (tight ship to zero authentication required, etc). Your posted server smbpasswd.conf looks fine only if your client is going to be attempting to sign on as the root user and your smb.conf specifies security = user (default) and you are using passdb backend = smbpasswd (default). You mentioned a username of office for the server, so if that is how you intend to connect then you need a smbpasswd user to match, assuming you are using security = user and smbpasswd passdb backend. client smbpasswd file does not matter. When a client connects, samba will fork a new process and change it to run as the appropriate user on the system. So if you intend to log in as user "office", you should have a user called "office" in your unix (system) password database, or equivalent. The samba process for that connection will only have the same permissions as the "office" user would ordinarily have on your system (it's a lot more involved than that, really, but that's the q&d explanation). ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 14 21:03:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F23npv010648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1F23nA2010647 for slug-track29; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F23nxI010643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F23mj1001711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:49 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1F23WSG031728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:33 -0500 Received: (qmail 10930 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 21:03:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 21:03:29 -0500 Received: from 192.168.1.53 ([192.168.1.53]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: <20060214210328.bx2grbfdkw00kw4g@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:03:28 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yahoo Groups replacement References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net * phpnuke - it does 99% of what you're looking to do. Sincerely, Richard Morgan Heavy Systems Administrator http://www.heavysystems.com Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. Quoting Joe Brandt : > I formed a homebrew club a few years ago. I set up a Yahoo group for > our club > to use. Several members are not thrilled with all the extra bs on yahoo. > Since I already host our website (http://www.hamsbeer.com), I am looking for > a replacement app to put on my server to replace yahoo groups. > > Required features are: optional features include: > > calendar photo albums > file sharing address book > message forum (e-mail) chat > individual login accounts > > anyone know of such an application? not quite groupware. Have no clue what > words to plug into google. > > Thanks in advance > Joe Brandt > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 15 07:00:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FC0Bpb015007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:00:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1FC0BQd015006 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:00:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FC0BaH015002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:00:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FC0BxK002644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:00:11 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FBxrSD006986 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:59:53 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nGVCyBkFmzVOCd58LAGd6b4qwkrS8v8+EsNyYgRSAH1QFccHP0lfDSu2WG1qp51R; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1F9LK4-00070m-NL for slug@nks.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:59:52 -0500 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Basic SAMBA Configuration Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:59:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F01270.9040609@accesscomm.ca> <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200602141400.16941.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602150659.56124.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609de0b2a069a86acc13e56baaee7642d9ca8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.189, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.41, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All I must apologize. I composed this posting 2 days after I did the test. I did not get around to transferring the files to my laptop until last night just before I made this posting. I had so many issues making the file transfers from the test computers and was so pressed for time I did not read the smppasswd files. This being SuSE this should not supprise anyone but these are NOT the smppasswd files I had 2 days before when I was doing the setup. For those not in the know one of the big advantages of SuSE is that it monitors setup files and restores them if they have been corrupted. This means that all changes have to be done through the GUI or suseconf must be ran after the changes to record the changes. The idea is similar to kudzu another setup program that will do basically the same thing. Any these are not the two files I was working with. Thanks SOTL On Tuesday 14 February 2006 02:00 pm, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > I am trying to make a Samba between two SuSE 10.0 boxes. > > Unfortunately I still get an error message: > > Can not find slp:/ in the tree Internal Error > > It believe that the source of the problem may be my smppasswd file are > incorrect. > > I would appreciate suggestion as to the validity of the following files: > > ____ > SERVER smppasswd > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is > set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] > section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf > # > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page > of # smb.conf for more information. > root:0:7AFFBB23C42095FE1841B9F02226DD3D:CDA6A2FA4891C12AD967B90778206005: > [U ]:LCT-43EED964: > _____ > CLIENT smbpasswd > # This file is the authentication source for Samba if 'passdb backend' is > set # to 'smbpasswd' and 'encrypt passwords' is 'Yes' in the [global] > section of # /etc/samba/smb.conf > # > # See section 'passdb backend' and 'encrypt passwords' in the manual page > of # smb.conf for more information. > _____ > > The user name for the CLIENT is "trunk" with password "Clienttestpw" > The user name for the SERVER is "office" with password "Servertestpw" > _____ > > Thanks > SOTL > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 15 09:05:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FE59BB015868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:05:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1FE59RN015867 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:05:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FE595X015863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:05:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FE59l3008981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:05:09 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FE4s59001518 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:04:54 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s18so1579605nze for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:04:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aPzu8X3Hf3wHonz48T0/FOwpjQbz4mfKb5mOiK2Kzslh0BSqpk40ZsqwJbgB7t90b/wi/cGrezDqIwmHRx9Rv+R5LPSo77lrkLEilP/H9gVweXyYxD+hgeuGctEd28quQTBpzLdQrPJT94KAF6Ewzommj8HpNqxfEyQxEZpkJ8Y= Received: by 10.65.145.7 with SMTP id x7mr2648290qbn; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.112.17 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:04:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:04:44 -0500 From: Dave Lowe To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Yahoo Groups replacement In-Reply-To: <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200602121206.10395.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43F23EC0.8080706@ctrust.com> <200602141639.38915.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602141845.45654.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1FE595W015864 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/14/06, Joe Brandt wrote: > anyone know of such an application? not quite groupware. Have no clue what > words to plug into google. Xoops works for my Trekkie club. We have all those features and more. Xoops is modular, so you can add features easily, with hundreds of modules to choose from. Our site is http://genesisfleet.com if you want to take a peek at what a Xoops site can do. Oh, and it is open source. -- Dave Lowe ____________________________________________ HAIL THE EMPIRE! http://www.issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 15 12:08:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FH8rAF017137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1FH8rEO017136 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FH8qpL017132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FH8qfg017039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:52 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FH8grQ030622 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:42 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FH8eBb009273 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:08:43 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail ? Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:11:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1FIBTug017596 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:11:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FIBTvL017592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:11:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FIBT9t019433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:11:29 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FIBIOg002249 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:11:19 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i2so173912wra for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:11:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Gs2mqH884E0fn3YmJ3mbalkdn8OP3AMKZQX9YS26KT+Oifrz0NeoX4deUfg4T/iCrBN7rzgrUGcqWl1FMrsZ7x39gmU5+x5zlDk0COswf9g8PtgbqgKE5UtNlaxaMaHxoe9UsMgfZFuysFkCHyUYTDaW9eDtiEy+/wXMayW+anw= Received: by 10.54.137.17 with SMTP id k17mr675916wrd; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.81.7 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:11:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <22e1856d0602151011l66a230dfm4330bfeac7ede9d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:11:17 -0500 From: Tyler Vann-Campbell To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2516_2336405.1140027077919" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.224, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2516_2336405.1140027077919 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/15/06, Eben King wrote: > > Where do I get /bin/mail (or really any utility that does the same thing)= ? > On my previous system, I had it with sendmail, but now with postfix (and > Ubuntu), I don't. ISTR I had to jump through a hoop or two to get it, bu= t > I > don't recall what those hoops were. They're going in the log this time. > > Not that this is an answer to your question, but IIRC you can apt-get sendmail as an alternative to postfix on Ubuntu. At least I was able to on my laptop. One of the postfix guru might be able to help you find the specific MTA location for postfix. Tyler ------=_Part_2516_2336405.1140027077919 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/15/06, Eben King <eben1@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Where do I get /bin/mail (or really any utility that does the same thing)?<= br>On my previous system, I had it with sendmail, but now with postfix (and=
Ubuntu), I don't.  ISTR I had to jump through a hoop or two t= o get it, but I
don't recall what those hoops were.  They're going in the log= this time.

Not that this is an answer to your question, but IIRC you can apt-get sendmail as an alternative to postfix on Ubuntu. At least I was able to on my laptop.

One of the postfix guru might be able to help you find the specific MTA loc= ation for postfix.

Tyler
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 15 13:36:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FIah5G017796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:36:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1FIahAP017795 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:36:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FIahIZ017791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:36:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FIahdF020398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:36:43 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FIaUX3024662 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:36:30 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FIaTdj010616 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:36:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:36:31 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail ? In-Reply-To: <22e1856d0602151011l66a230dfm4330bfeac7ede9d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <22e1856d0602151011l66a230dfm4330bfeac7ede9d5@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On 2/15/06, Eben King wrote: >> >> Where do I get /bin/mail (or really any utility that does the same >> thing)? On my previous system, I had it with sendmail, but now with >> postfix (and Ubuntu), I don't. ISTR I had to jump through a hoop or two >> to get it, but I don't recall what those hoops were. They're going in >> the log this time. >> > Not that this is an answer to your question, but IIRC you can apt-get > sendmail as an alternative to postfix on Ubuntu. At least I was able to on > my laptop. Yeah, I tried a couple MTAs before I settled on postfix -- I think they were sendmail and qmail, because that's the order I thought of them in. But they didn't work out-of-the-box with fetchmail, and I'm not enough of a mail guru to _know_ how to make them work. I probably could have figured it out (I mean, sendmail worked with fetchmail on my previous system) if postfix hadn't worked. > One of the postfix guru might be able to help you find the specific MTA > location for postfix. Thanks. Do you know where I could find one? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 15 14:13:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJD6tu018058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1FJD6At018057 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJD6w1018053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJD5gj021760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:13:06 -0500 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJCkoG018708 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:12:46 -0500 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id D498CF3862 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:12:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail ? From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <22e1856d0602151011l66a230dfm4330bfeac7ede9d5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:12:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1140030757.9645.8.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.998, required 6, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60, FB_CONST_9 0.20, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 13:36 -0500, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Tyler Vann-Campbell wrote: > > > On 2/15/06, Eben King wrote: > >> > >> Where do I get /bin/mail (or really any utility that does the same > >> thing)? On my previous system, I had it with sendmail, but now with > >> postfix (and Ubuntu), I don't. ISTR I had to jump through a hoop or two > >> to get it, but I don't recall what those hoops were. They're going in > >> the log this time. > >> > > Not that this is an answer to your question, but IIRC you can apt-get > > sendmail as an alternative to postfix on Ubuntu. At least I was able to on > > my laptop. > > Yeah, I tried a couple MTAs before I settled on postfix -- I think they were > sendmail and qmail, because that's the order I thought of them in. But they > didn't work out-of-the-box with fetchmail, and I'm not enough of a mail guru > to _know_ how to make them work. I probably could have figured it out (I > mean, sendmail worked with fetchmail on my previous system) if postfix > hadn't worked. > > > One of the postfix guru might be able to help you find the specific MTA > > location for postfix. > > Thanks. Do you know where I could find one? > Eben, Is this the same thing you're referring to? www:/ # which mail /usr/bin/mail www:/ # ls -la /usr/bin/mail lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2005-11-15 20:01 /usr/bin/mail -> nail www:/ # rpm -q --whatprovides nail mailx-11.4-4 www:/ # rpm -qi mailx Name : mailx Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 11.4 Vendor: SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany Release : 4 Build Date: Fri 09 Sep 2005 02:46:02 PM EDT Install date: Tue 15 Nov 2005 08:01:55 PM EST Build Host: mouse.suse.de Group : Productivity/Networking/Email/Utilities Source RPM: mailx-11.4-4.src.rpm Size : 314442 License: Other License(s), see package Signature : DSA/SHA1, Fri 09 Sep 2005 05:27:03 PM EDT, Key ID a84edae89c800aca Packager : http://www.suse.de/feedback URL : http://nail.sourceforge.net/ Summary : A MIME-capable Implementation of the mailx Command Description : Nail is a mail user agent derived from Berkeley Mail 8.1. It is intended to provide the functionality of the POSIX.2 mailx command with additional support for MIME messages, POP3, and SMTP. In recent system environments, nail is Unicode/UTF-8 capable. Further, it contains some minor enhancements like the ability to set a "From:" address. Authors: -------- Gunnar Ritter Distribution: SUSE LINUX 10.0 (i586) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 15 14:48:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJmCDJ018322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:48:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1FJmCBY018321 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:48:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJmCl6018317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:48:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJmBj5023018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:48:12 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1FJm4qR003974 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:48:04 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FJm2r1005542 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:48:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:48:05 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] whence /bin/mail ? In-Reply-To: <1140030757.9645.8.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Message-ID: References: <22e1856d0602151011l66a230dfm4330bfeac7ede9d5@mail.gmail.com> <1140030757.9645.8.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> X-GetARealMailreader: On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 13:36 -0500, Eben King wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006, Tyler Vann-Campbell wrote: >> >>> One of the postfix guru might be able to help you find the specific MTA >>> location for postfix. >> >> Thanks. Do you know where I could find one? > > Is this the same thing you're referring to? > > www:/ # which mail > /usr/bin/mail > www:/ # ls -la /usr/bin/mail > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2005-11-15 20:01 /usr/bin/mail -> nail > www:/ # rpm -q --whatprovides nail > mailx-11.4-4 Thanks, I found "nail" without mailx. Not too bad: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 294012 2005-06-30 04:53 /usr/bin/nail What I used to have: -rwxr-xr-x root/man 83905 2002-06-23 16:34:47 /bin/mail I should make a link /usr/bin/mail -> nail to head off many typos. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 15 22:01:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1G315lR021446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:01:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1G315DE021445 for slug-track29; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:01:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1G31436021441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:01:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1G314H3007416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:01:04 -0500 Received: from queenie.aqhostdns.com (queenie.aqhostdns.com [216.93.241.130]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1G30mL9015117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:00:49 -0500 Received: from pool-71-100-44-70.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.100.44.70]:5892 helo=[192.168.1.102]) by queenie.aqhostdns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1F9ZNp-0004XN-Sp for slug@nks.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:00:42 -0500 Message-ID: <43F3EAC1.3050309@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:00:17 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050921 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Sarasota SLUG Meeting - new location! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned and found to be clean by AQHost - http://www.AQHost.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - queenie.aqhostdns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sarasota SLUG Meeting - new location! Day and Time Third Tuesday, 6pm to 9pm New College Math Reading Room, HNS 106 5700 N. Tamiami Trail Sarasota, FL 34243 Detailed directions at: http://suncoastlug.org/meetings.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 16 14:59:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1GJxXDH028886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1GJxXDB028885 for slug-track29; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1GJxXoA028881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1GJxWUo029829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:33 -0500 Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1GJxIhi005200 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:18 -0500 Received: from mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.29]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F9pHZ-0002qS-00 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:17 -0500 Message-ID: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:59:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: xcalibre To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Computer Collection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Wish I had the place and cash for this Auction. http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-PC-Collection_W0QQitemZ8765873539QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Come on Lottery..... Bill Preece ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 16 19:57:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1H0vQVC030979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:57:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1H0vQMs030978 for slug-track29; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1H0vQp9030974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1H0vQWt009073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:57:26 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1H0vFSF022815 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:57:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060217005717.CEWR8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:57:17 -0500 Message-ID: <43F52E2D.3080805@cox.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:00:13 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.506, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.77, BAYES_20 -0.74) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net xcalibre wrote: >Wish I had the place and cash for this Auction. http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-PC-Collection_W0QQitemZ8765873539QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Come on Lottery..... > >Bill Preece > > > > > Wow. That sums up my thoughts on that. What in the world would an individual do with that? I could see that stuff comprising the vast majority of a museum, though. Pretty cool in any case. (no pun intended.) -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 17 09:46:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HEklrg004568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1HEklTj004567 for slug-track29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HEkkNm004563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HEkk2a024051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:46 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.192]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HEkRL0026751 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:28 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so412813nzh for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:46:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XGd2Bf58kspgf7KmLGnWtWcnTgUNd/lRQlRe5OkZ2vmQFfxWSs1ddbSlvV+n2YumuEuAkUUKOl2gyGGM8Ywl41yNcrij9HY9zucbcXRcppa6LWJk3IdT5XQHAKfs8FvPxQTE+R1VoBifLg2MMAh5zgLAALiXzkfUzkLmub8WT4w= Received: by 10.65.100.4 with SMTP id c4mr1501205qbm; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.252.14 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:46:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:46:26 -0500 From: Danny WIlliams To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection In-Reply-To: <43F52E2D.3080805@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43F52E2D.3080805@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1HEkkNl004564 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/16/06, michael hast wrote: > xcalibre wrote: > > >Wish I had the place and cash for this Auction. I feel very old now after looking through that list and noting the half dozen or so museum pieces on which I once had a paying job. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 17 10:46:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HFkqO5005012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:46:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1HFkq5C005011 for slug-track29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:46:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HFkpPQ005007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:46:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HFkpSN026808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:46:51 -0500 Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1HFkZTi017959 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:46:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 2511 invoked by uid 0); 17 Feb 2006 15:42:00 -0000 Received: from user-24-96-99-108.knology.net (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (photo.man@24.96.99.108) by smtp5.knology.net with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 15:42:00 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection From: John Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43F52E2D.3080805@cox.net> <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1140191141.4743.160.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:45:42 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 09:46, Danny WIlliams wrote: > On 2/16/06, michael hast wrote: > > xcalibre wrote: > > > > >Wish I had the place and cash for this Auction. > > I feel very old now after looking through that list and noting the > half dozen or so museum pieces on which I once had a paying job. Ditto, I still have some of their "museum" pieces in the garage. --JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 17 11:26:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HGQ3tr005338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:26:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1HGQ3vJ005337 for slug-track29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:26:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HGQ2nf005333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:26:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HGQ24H028458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:26:02 -0500 Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HGPi7N031282 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:25:44 -0500 Received: from mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.224.24]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FA8QR-0003Ew-00 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <19800287.1140193543552.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:25:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: xcalibre To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well I played my $5.00 for Lotto, Museum will happen if I hit it lol. Bill -----Original Message----- >From: John Brown >Sent: Feb 17, 2006 10:45 AM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection > >On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 09:46, Danny WIlliams wrote: >> On 2/16/06, michael hast wrote: >> > xcalibre wrote: >> > >> > >Wish I had the place and cash for this Auction. >> >> I feel very old now after looking through that list and noting the >> half dozen or so museum pieces on which I once had a paying job. > >Ditto, I still have some of their "museum" pieces in the garage. --JB > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 17 12:15:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHFR0I005645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:15:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1HHFR0q005644 for slug-track29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:15:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHFRSm005640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:15:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHFRGB031107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:15:27 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHF3M2027303 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:15:07 -0500 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HHF1Xe008821 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:15:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200602171715.k1HHF1Xe008821@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] SCSI issue Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:18:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <000a01c630cb$039cf470$0200a8c0@athlon2400> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcYwy2gfqQ/p29wfRVqogCeK2GTxdQDGRc2g X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.134, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.47, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> But, even if I add that to the lilo.conf, how would VL suddenly support my scsi card if it didnt during the install? Do I need to add a driver or module (whatever its called in the linux world) for the card? Is the Adaptec Boot BIOS turned on? If not, that will prevent it from booting, even if you have a proper kernel. In your case, you are booting from a floppy, which loads the Adaptec driver. Once loaded, it can "see" the card. But without the boot BIOS turned on, your PC won't see the card, so it won't boot from the SCSI drive, period. To get around this, the Adaptec card (as most [not all] SCSI cards) has a boot-time bios that will load enough code to allow the PC to boot the first drive attached to the card (drive 0). It will appear to the PC to be a legacy drive, and that's good enough to allow the SCSI driver to load, and take full advantage of the card. Why might this feature be turned off? SCSI can be used for non-boot devices, like scanners and additional hard drives. Plus, you can have multiple SCSI cards in a server, but you should only load the BIOS from the card you intend to boot from. If you have multiple cards, all with the boot bios turned on, you have a mess. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of James Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 1:27 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SCSI issue This is from a forum i go to and thought it was a good question? Need a linux guru to help me with this one. I decided to install linux on my an35n ultra system. Wanted a distrib that would get me up and running right away, but lighter weight and with a bit more learning curve. Decided to try out VectorLinux. Its based on slackware. My problem is that I have decided to install the OSs on this system on a scsi drive. The scsi card is an aha-29160N. Which so happens NOT to be detected by the VL install. Someone suggested on the VL forum that I need to boot using the Slackware scsi (adaptec.s) floppy and from there then load the VL root floppy to start the install. This worked perfectly. But, I am stuck with needing to use the Slackware floppy to boot root on the scsi drive. VL runs fine ...though lacking some hardware support ...it seems like a great distribution, I'm hoping to get the boot issue resolved and then see if the missing hardware can also be resolved ...which should be no problem ...hopefully. Now as far as I understand I need to use initrd because I am booting from a scsi drive. Not sure why I need a ramdisk image to do this. ?? But, even if I add that to the lilo.conf, how would VL suddenly support my scsi card if it didnt during the install? Do I need to add a driver or module (whatever its called in the linux world) for the card? Another suggestion I was given is to replace the kernel with the kernel from the slackware floppy. ?? I am not at all sure how to do that and if it is even a good idea. What worries me further is the fact that my promise IDE card is not supported and I would assume that it would not be using the slackware kernel. ...but, as you can see, I am over my head here. Any suggestions? JamesS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 17 12:47:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHlQnN005887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1HHlQ16005886 for slug-track29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHlQWO005882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHlQ2T032477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:26 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HHl2Z4025289 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:02 -0500 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1HHl1l1006511 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:47:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200602171747.k1HHl1l1006511@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Kernel 2.6 print lockups Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:50:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <43ED8A5C.6000701@quillandmouse.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-Index: AcYwRalsPokGl6PGTyuw5LM20Yez5gDpKYbg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.601, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I recently installed a new machine as my desktop... Hmmm... NEW MACHINE. I suspect to crash it, you'll have to have a bad driver or bad hardware. Can you try another port, printer or driver? You might also check the PC's BIOS for the setting on the parallel port (if that's what you're using). Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:55 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Kernel 2.6 print lockups Folks: I recently installed a new machine as my desktop, and upgraded Linux to the 2.6 kernel series. I also upgraded all the printing infrastructure (CUPS et al) to the latest version out of Debian unst*ble. Since I did this, I've had an intermittent problem with HARD lockups when printing. It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it locks up the machine so bad I can't even SSH in from another machine. I was just printing from Thunderbird, and as soon as it went to execute the print job, it locked up. The program I'm printing from doesn't matter. The printer knows it's about to get something, because the little light flashes like it's getting data. As soon as I reboot, the job that I sent to print now prints (usually). Anyone run into this? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 17 15:57:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HKvMHD007186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:57:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1HKvMu5007185 for slug-track29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:57:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HKvLkP007181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:57:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HKvLFv007204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:57:21 -0500 Received: from elephant.cnchost.com (elephant.cnchost.com [207.155.252.97]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HKvDL4020290 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:57:14 -0500 Received: from 865peneo2 (6532128hfc79.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.128.79]) by elephant.cnchost.com id PAA04284; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:57:12 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] From: "Darrin Jones" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Computer Collection Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:57:07 -0500 Message-ID: <003c01c63404$b7706db0$0400a8c0@865peneo2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcYzNG0yxDTwv646RSiOMXoR/2Q6aQAzxpgw In-Reply-To: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.533, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.53, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Holy Cow! That's craaazy. I'd buy it if I had $10K+ of Mad Money. =) > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of xcalibre > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:59 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: [SLUG] Computer Collection > > Wish I had the place and cash for this Auction. > http://cgi.ebay.ca/Vintage-PC- > Collection_W0QQitemZ8765873539QQcategoryZ4193QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZ > ViewItem > > Come on Lottery..... > > Bill Preece > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 17 16:28:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HLSmJl007486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:28:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1HLSltO007485 for slug-track29; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:28:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HLSlUb007481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:28:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HLSlkA008403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:28:47 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1HLSTcU019603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:28:30 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1HLWLHD001549 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:32:21 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k1HLWLko001548; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:32:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.202 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:32:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44564.12.43.115.202.1140211939.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <1140191141.4743.160.camel@biostar.com> References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43F52E2D.3080805@cox.net> <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> <1140191141.4743.160.camel@biostar.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:32:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.616, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.62) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 09:46, Danny WIlliams wrote: >> On 2/16/06, michael hast wrote: >> I feel very old now after looking through that list and noting the >> half dozen or so museum pieces on which I once had a paying job. > > Ditto, I still have some of their "museum" pieces in the garage. --JB I've seen that site before and I'm a little sad that it's going away. I remember getting my first Commodore Vic20 and C=64, my TI99/4A and my friend's TRS-80, the Ataris and Apple IIe's and IIcs. It doesn't all that long ago that we were running BBSs on 300baud modems. I know that everytime there's "way back when" talk someone will recall some old hardware with fondness (or misery). These machines represent my youth in the same way that decoder rings and 8-tracks represent it for others. I remember typing in a character animation demo on that Ti-99/4A. It did nothing but redefine a couple characters to be a very blocky jumping man. I remember figuring out how to do the same thing with Atari 8-bit player-missile graphics, then moving that to sprites on a C128. That's what's really cool and interesting about Linux. There's still that same sense of experimentation that defined the early commodity microcomputer days (daze?)... (Returning now to regularly scheduled programming...) -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 18 00:17:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5HW2N010808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:17:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1I5HWET010807 for slug-track29; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:17:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5HWp6010803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:17:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5HVBA029719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:17:32 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5HCK4010240 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:17:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (245-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.245]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1I5HAHa014889 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:17:11 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:22:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <43F52E2D.3080805@cox.net> <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602180022.08448.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.999, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.00, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 17 February 2006 09:46, Danny WIlliams wrote: > On 2/16/06, michael hast wrote: > > xcalibre wrote: > > >Wish I had the place and cash for this Auction. > > I feel very old now after looking through that list and noting the > half dozen or so museum pieces on which I once had a paying job. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- In 1964 my first computer belonged to the Strategic Air Command and would have outweighed this whole collection. We used an IBM 360 as an input device to load the IBM punch card program stacks into my computer. We had tape drives, memory drums, 36 inch harddisks for the war plans and ferrite core ram. the console that took two keys to launch everything used electrostatic memory. The UPS was a flywheel spun by a electric motor that would automatically couple to start a generator when shore power went down. It was supposed to be no break in power, but I always lost crypto lock with everybody when that happened. My display generators were all vacuum tube about 5 feet high 3 foot wide and 6 feet long and would project a 16 foot square color display or 4 separate images in the 16 foot square screen. It took about a minute to generate a new display. We had 4 or 5 of thease for the SAC level command post. They really did generate a large wall of display. This was pre Unix. A 32 bit machine word coded in octal coded machine language. If someone wants to start a museum, I could probably dig up some of my training material on this beast. Also I have a C64, TS1000, Tandy 286, 386 MB with math coprocessor, 486 MB, 586 MB, assorted ISA and VLB cards. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 18 00:46:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5ki5C010992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:46:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1I5kiOK010991 for slug-track29; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:46:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5ki6W010987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:46:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5kh04032651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:46:43 -0500 Received: from faceman.dreamhost.com (faceman.dreamhost.com [205.196.210.16]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1I5kVPe014148 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:46:32 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by faceman.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7CB1623D3 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:46:31 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:46:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> <200602180022.08448.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200602180022.08448.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602180046.29676.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.259, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 18 February 2006 00:22, Richard Smoot wrote: >My display generators were all > vacuum tube about 5 feet high 3 foot wide and 6 feet long and would > project a 16 foot square color display or 4 separate images in the 16 foot > square screen. It took about a minute to generate a new display. We had 4 > or 5 of thease for the SAC level command post. They really did generate a > large wall of display. This was pre Unix. A 32 bit machine word coded in > octal coded machine language. > If someone wants to start a museum, I could probably dig up some of my > training material on this beast. And here I thought you would say you would dig up the computer... Guess that explains why you are here in the Tampa area. I started with an IBM card puncher but my first own machine was the IMSAI 8080 if recall the name correctly. Then moved onto the Ohio Scientific Superboard II. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 18 10:07:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IF7Twg015288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:07:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1IF7Tmr015287 for slug-track29; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:07:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IF7Tjg015283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:07:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IF7Sgv002113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:07:29 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.207]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IF7FL1004636 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:07:15 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s15so430566wxc for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:07:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XVMI7iqCX7XK2sk7Dbo0kllHwtEbPdvB5zc0mDDEQU+vZJ8+VQ8FwmmE1skfAYWRvHnzSNtV3DUysIxOCTL18rTncYIkwI6dCpMIgHPgBMmKTHE582KlXtvEzcpJ0Od8h42e6aDJGeC56jtZNiop55wQ8djgnkhve/XvFmMUmZI= Received: by 10.70.112.1 with SMTP id k1mr840283wxc; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.53.10 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:07:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:07:12 -0500 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection In-Reply-To: <200602180046.29676.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> <200602180022.08448.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <200602180046.29676.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.605, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.49, BAYES_05 -1.11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1IF7Tjf015284 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net my first was an altair 8800 my dad bought as a kit and never built. first computer i bought myself was a commodore 64. best $600 i ever spant ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 18 10:34:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IFYGJM015509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:34:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1IFYGpB015508 for slug-track29; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:34:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IFYGMv015504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:34:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IFYGot003522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:34:16 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IFXuXa001798 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:33:56 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1IFXpFB019696 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:33:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:33:54 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> <200602180022.08448.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <200602180046.29676.steve@szmidt.org> X-GetARealMailreader: my first was an altair 8800 my dad bought as a kit and never built. If you still have the unbuilt kit I bet you could sell it for a lot of money. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 18 12:35:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IHZWAI016422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1IHZWPC016421 for slug-track29; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IHZWG3016417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1IHZWQd010248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:32 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.197]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1J6S7lu010802 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:28:07 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t11so444646wxc for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q31pVn6L+dTmToFqSw+j/De1gjmG4yKy9/iGHVJFfiLDHgbfdyRHdzkCoGebeim3917cMOOLD8QIUWBeArUsg7Vj3OGV7Sa3s1ZMFVn3lMUDWhb7klMIZ66R2ZYu5FsIsVW0q1rK57u9eNsfIhKbnrtyCj2zS2Y8O8vp30gaX+k= Received: by 10.70.60.18 with SMTP id i18mr2376357wxa; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.53.10 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:35:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:21 -0500 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Computer Collection In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <22047101.1140119957462.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1d7397410602170646m2d19aa94q36f67a134fe81370@mail.gmail.com> <200602180022.08448.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <200602180046.29676.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1IHZWG2016418 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i put it together back in 85 and sold it in 90 for $7500 On 2/18/06, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, chris lee wrote: > > > my first was an altair 8800 my dad bought as a kit and never built. > > If you still have the unbuilt kit I bet you could sell it for a lot of > money. > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > > Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? > A: A purple Hayes. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 10:54:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JFsmm2026212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:54:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JFsmhm026211 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:54:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JFsl5p026207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:54:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JFslIV021273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:54:47 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JFsY4q026324 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:54:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B335176C2F for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:33:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [SLUG] Parent monitoring software for linux? From: Larry Brown To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:57:47 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.395, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FS_SOFTWARE_LOWER 0.39) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Kind of goes against the "free" idea behind Linux. But for people who have young children and need to be assured some @#!@ing pervert isn't convincing their kids he is someone who knows their inner self and needs to meet them privately somewhere, it is invaluable. I'm pretty sure I can write something to hook into iptables and between that and the parent ensuring they do not have encrypted tools, have a reasonable method of keeping an eye on them. However, I'd rather not have to write something and have them use an accepted tool for such things. Does anyone know if such an animal exists for Linux? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 14:31:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JJUxp1027780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:31:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JJUxwX027779 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:30:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JJUxCW027775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:30:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JJUxoZ029936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:30:59 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JJUdED007729 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:30:39 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l1so739297nzf for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:30:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ABjZNVBQqZ4owjZNIVX2/hIN5w8KcAyy2BNjtARVNuZDUQkPjiaWcouIjBZetvJBvmNxodsOSXe9JNfWP6F6GkPOKOL3r2My3IquQiOf4SGssm+tYWBezvcr4bWpnaeuZuiyTinwts+1ov8FVxtmbTO+do6vLkBjHrxxN/P/cdQ= Received: by 10.65.232.19 with SMTP id j19mr312145qbr; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.107.2 with HTTP; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:30:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ce3ca360602191130ie9d5377ge733996fe13baba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:30:38 -0500 From: "Everett Attebury" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Parent monitoring software for linux? In-Reply-To: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13364_1865411.1140377438291" References: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.655, required 6, AWL 1.87, BAYES_40 -0.18, FS_SOFTWARE_LOWER 0.39, FU_WITH_ID 0.20, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_13364_1865411.1140377438291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/19/06, Larry Brown wrote: > > Kind of goes against the "free" idea behind Linux. But for people who > have young children and need to be assured some @#!@ing pervert isn't > convincing their kids he is someone who knows their inner self and needs > to meet them privately somewhere, it is invaluable. I'm pretty sure I > can write something to hook into iptables and between that and the > parent ensuring they do not have encrypted tools, have a reasonable > method of keeping an eye on them. However, I'd rather not have to write > something and have them use an accepted tool for such things. Does > anyone know if such an animal exists for Linux? Here's a couple of articles: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=3D04/07/01/1833212&tid=3D49 http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=3D04/07/13/1922253 ------=_Part_13364_1865411.1140377438291 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 2/19/06, Larry Brown <larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com> wrote:
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 16:21:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JLLZWx028601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:21:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JLLZJO028600 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:21:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JLLZPH028596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:21:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JLLZox001476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:21:35 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JLLSOU005914 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:21:29 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JLLRie009579 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:21:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:21:32 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] recover NTFS Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:30:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JLU8qa028657 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:30:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JLU71Y028653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:30:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JLU7fW001718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:30:07 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JLTmGC024999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:29:48 -0500 Received: (qmail 12531 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 15:28:10 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 15:28:10 -0600 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7BCB583A78; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:26:08 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060219212608.7BCB583A78@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.193, required 6, AWL -0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 21 February 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) New College Math Reading Room, HNS 106 5700 N. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 17:31:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMVWAn029115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JMVWF8029114 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMVVQG029110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMVVsF003840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:31 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMVIWK029864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:18 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1JMQunm016699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:27:01 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FAx5C-0003LM-Nz for slug@nks.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:10 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:31:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602191731.10491.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:27:02 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 19 February 2006 16:21, Eben King wrote: > So my friend D brought me a dead USB HD. 160 GB, about half full (he > said). XP hemmed and hawed when the drive was plugged in and wouldn't show > its contents. So I popped it on my box (Linux, natch) and got 67 GiB of > files from it, in several big tar files. Yay Linux. Took over two days, > because every time there was an error, it stopped and waited (for what? > The error to fix itself?) for 5.5 minutes (I timed it). Boo Linux. What error? > I tried running two tar processes at the same time, reasoning that it was > using well under half the bandwidth (maybe 950 K/s), therefore the USB > controller wasn't the bottleneck. Whenever there was an error, _both_ > processes would stop and wait. Even when there wasn't, the rate was about > 1/3 of what one would do, so it was faster to run them serially. Boo Linux > #2. Eh? I thought you were talking to a drive that's suffering from a physical failure? How fast would you like damaged media to be? > Now I've got everything I can get, and it's time to put it back. NTFS > writing is unreliable and new, so I chose FAT (vfat). Had to make 3 > primary + virtual partitions, as XP's formatter won't make a 128 GiB FAT > partition (W98's will, but I can't get the drive to show up in W98). Onto the damaged disk? > Copying to vfat is VERY slow -- in 6.5 hours it's written 11.3 GiB, which > is about 500 KiB/s. That's from an uncompressed tar file. It's slower on > big files, pausing for many seconds in the write. What's the output from `dmesg`? The console? > What can I do to speed this up? I have half a mind to create a big file, > format it ext[23], loopback mount it, extract the tar files to it, export > it via Samba, mount it from an XP laptop over wifi, and restore it THAT > way. I'm afraid that's more trouble than it's worth. Write the data back to a disk that isn't failing? -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 17:53:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMrBvW029245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JMrA9h029244 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMrAtH029240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMrAq5004526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:10 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JMqwrD016641 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:52:58 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JMqvjS008539 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:52:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:53:02 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS In-Reply-To: <200602191731.10491.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: References: <200602191731.10491.jasonb@edseek.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On Sunday 19 February 2006 16:21, Eben King wrote: >> Took over two days, >> because every time there was an error, it stopped and waited (for what? >> The error to fix itself?) for 5.5 minutes (I timed it). Boo Linux. > > What error? It didn't say. >> I tried running two tar processes at the same time, reasoning that it was >> using well under half the bandwidth (maybe 950 K/s), therefore the USB >> controller wasn't the bottleneck. Whenever there was an error, _both_ >> processes would stop and wait. Even when there wasn't, the rate was about >> 1/3 of what one would do, so it was faster to run them serially. Boo Linux >> #2. > > Eh? I thought you were talking to a drive that's suffering from a physical > failure? No, filesystem corruption. > How fast would you like damaged media to be? Oh, 950 K/s is fine under those circumstances. A 5.5 minute wait seems excessive, though. Having an unoptimized NTFS driver isn't really Linux's fault; AIUI, MS won't release the specs for NTFS so Linux's driver is reverse-engineered. >> Now I've got everything I can get, and it's time to put it back. NTFS >> writing is unreliable and new, so I chose FAT (vfat). Had to make 3 >> primary + virtual partitions, as XP's formatter won't make a 128 GiB FAT >> partition (W98's will, but I can't get the drive to show up in W98). > > Onto the damaged disk? The data's on a new, mostly empty HD I happened to have. Lucky him. It's going back whence it came, since his HD is *physically* OK. >> Copying to vfat is VERY slow -- in 6.5 hours it's written 11.3 GiB, which >> is about 500 KiB/s. That's from an uncompressed tar file. It's slower on >> big files, pausing for many seconds in the write. > > What's the output from `dmesg`? The console? None. That's apparently the normal state of affairs. >> What can I do to speed this up? I have half a mind to create a big file, >> format it ext[23], loopback mount it, extract the tar files to it, export >> it via Samba, mount it from an XP laptop over wifi, and restore it THAT >> way. I'm afraid that's more trouble than it's worth. > > > Write the data back to a disk that isn't failing? The disk is fine; it was the filesystem that was corrupt. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 18:22:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNMeJa029528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:22:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JNMe3G029527 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:22:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNMdNc029523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:22:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNMdAD005785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:22:39 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNMNd1025325 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:22:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060219232219.UKXT5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:22:19 -0500 Message-ID: <43F90C77.5080202@cox.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:25:27 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.507, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.51, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > > Now I've got everything I can get, and it's time to put it back. NTFS > writing is unreliable and new, so I chose FAT (vfat). Had to make 3 > primary + virtual partitions, as XP's formatter won't make a 128 GiB > FAT partition (W98's will, but I can't get the drive to show up in W98). Why don't you write a big partition with an open-source partitioner? Will the partitioner on the Debian installer or QTParted not do that? -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 18:42:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNgc76029648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:42:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JNgcdX029647 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:42:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNgccl029643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:42:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNgbAc006523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:42:38 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNfjf5019697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:42:02 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1JNbDnm020753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:37:18 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FAyBE-0004j9-6J for slug@nks.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:41:28 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:41:27 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200602191731.10491.jasonb@edseek.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602191841.27939.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:37:19 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.155, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.16) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 19 February 2006 17:53, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Jason Boxman wrote: > > > > Eh? I thought you were talking to a drive that's suffering from a > > physical failure? > > No, filesystem corruption. Ah, okay. > > How fast would you like damaged media to be? > > Oh, 950 K/s is fine under those circumstances. A 5.5 minute wait seems > excessive, though. Having an unoptimized NTFS driver isn't really Linux's > fault; AIUI, MS won't release the specs for NTFS so Linux's driver is > reverse-engineered. Why only 950 KB/s? You don't have a USB 2.0 connector on your target box? > > > > Write the data back to a disk that isn't failing? > > The disk is fine; it was the filesystem that was corrupt. Even vfat ought to be able to be written to faster than a few hundred KB/s. Were you shooting for ~ 950KB/s? If you can't do USB 2.0 and time isn't a factor, I'd just wait it out. :) -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 18:51:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNpGTH029705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:51:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JNpGJw029704 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:51:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNpGCo029700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:51:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNpAoE006746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:51:16 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNotXs027456 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:50:55 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JNosKk022271 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:50:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:50:59 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS In-Reply-To: <43F90C77.5080202@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <43F90C77.5080202@cox.net> X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King wrote: > > > >> Now I've got everything I can get, and it's time to put it back. NTFS >> writing is unreliable and new, so I chose FAT (vfat). Had to make 3 >> primary + virtual partitions, as XP's formatter won't make a 128 GiB FAT >> partition (W98's will, but I can't get the drive to show up in W98). > > > > Why don't you write a big partition with an open-source partitioner? Will > the partitioner on the Debian installer or QTParted not do that? I can make a big partition, no problem. But FAT32 doesn't go >128 GiB. (There's only 70-something GiB of data anyway counting wasted allocation space, so I could split the disk half FAT and half NTFS.) Two filesystems are better than 5, so yeah, that'd be an improvement. Plus, what can I use to lay down a FAT filesystem? TTBOMK there's no mkfs.vfat or similar. Anyhow, why should I think that FAT written thusly will be accessed faster than what I have? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 18:57:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNvVsr029747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:57:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JNvUAs029746 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:57:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNvUxQ029742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:57:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNvUMx007047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:57:30 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNvKAb016916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:57:20 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1JNr3nm021673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:04 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FAyQX-00051a-Nc for slug@nks.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:57:17 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:57:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <43F90C77.5080202@cox.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602191857.17465.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:05 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.174, required 6, AWL -0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, TW_DP 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 19 February 2006 18:50, Eben King wrote: > I can make a big partition, no problem. But FAT32 doesn't go >128 GiB. > (There's only 70-something GiB of data anyway counting wasted allocation > space, so I could split the disk half FAT and half NTFS.) Two filesystems > are better than 5, so yeah, that'd be an improvement. > > Plus, what can I use to lay down a FAT filesystem? TTBOMK there's no > mkfs.vfat or similar. faith:/usr/src# which mkfs.vfat /sbin/mkfs.vfat faith:/usr/src# dpkg -S /sbin/mkfs.vfat dosfstools: /sbin/mkfs.vfat I use it all the time on floppies. Works for me. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 18:59:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNxksg029767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:59:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1JNxkeO029766 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:59:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNxjJ3029762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:59:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNxjJO007140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:59:45 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1JNxbIC004799 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:59:37 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JNxa7c004327 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:59:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:59:41 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS In-Reply-To: <200602191841.27939.jasonb@edseek.com> Message-ID: References: <200602191731.10491.jasonb@edseek.com> <200602191841.27939.jasonb@edseek.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On Sunday 19 February 2006 17:53, Eben King wrote: >> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, Jason Boxman wrote: > >>> >>> How fast would you like damaged media to be? >> >> Oh, 950 K/s is fine under those circumstances. A 5.5 minute wait seems >> excessive, though. Having an unoptimized NTFS driver isn't really Linux's >> fault; AIUI, MS won't release the specs for NTFS so Linux's driver is >> reverse-engineered. > > Why only 950 KB/s? You don't have a USB 2.0 connector on your target box? Yeah, I must; my other USB HD gets 15-20 MB/s. ehci-hcd loads too. I'm chalking it up to "poorly optimized NTFS driver". >>> Write the data back to a disk that isn't failing? >> >> The disk is fine; it was the filesystem that was corrupt. > > Even vfat ought to be able to be written to faster than a few hundred KB/s. I think so too. It appears to work fine on small files, but on big ones it chokes. I haven't found the threshold yet. > Were you shooting for ~ 950KB/s? If you can't do USB 2.0 and time isn't a > factor, I'd just wait it out. :) I'm creating a mondo file to loopback mount etc in parallel (it gets made while tar churns slowly), to see which is faster. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 19:05:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K05Gkt029870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1K05GtV029869 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K05GFG029865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K05FYm007561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:15 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net (centrmmtao02.cox.net [70.168.83.82]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K04xt8005635 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:04:59 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060220000500.WKRR8484.centrmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:05:00 -0500 Message-ID: <43F91673.6040104@cox.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:08:03 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS References: <43F90C77.5080202@cox.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.755, required 6, AWL 0.24, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, michael hast wrote: > >> Eben King wrote: >> >> >> >>> Now I've got everything I can get, and it's time to put it back. >>> NTFS writing is unreliable and new, so I chose FAT (vfat). Had to >>> make 3 primary + virtual partitions, as XP's formatter won't make a >>> 128 GiB FAT partition (W98's will, but I can't get the drive to show >>> up in W98). >> >> >> >> >> Why don't you write a big partition with an open-source partitioner? >> Will the partitioner on the Debian installer or QTParted not do that? > > > I can make a big partition, no problem. But FAT32 doesn't go >128 > GiB. (There's only 70-something GiB of data anyway counting wasted > allocation space, so I could split the disk half FAT and half NTFS.) > Two filesystems are better than 5, so yeah, that'd be an improvement. > > Plus, what can I use to lay down a FAT filesystem? TTBOMK there's no > mkfs.vfat or similar. > > Anyhow, why should I think that FAT written thusly will be accessed > faster than what I have? > I should have specified that I didn't think that would fix your speed problem, but that maybe you could write a bigger partition that way. I've never tried to put down a partition that big in any format and I didn't realize that FAT32 won't go bigger than that. Learn something new everyday, right? -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 19 19:07:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K07Q0w029895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:07:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1K07QiQ029894 for slug-track29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:07:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K07QlK029890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:07:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K07Pl5007635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:07:26 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K06hTa031479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:06:54 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1K02Knm022238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:02:22 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FAyZW-0005EB-Kb for slug@nks.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:06:34 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:06:34 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200602191841.27939.jasonb@edseek.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602191906.34078.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:02:23 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.565, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 19 February 2006 18:59, Eben King wrote: > Yeah, I must; my other USB HD gets 15-20 MB/s. ehci-hcd loads too. I'm > chalking it up to "poorly optimized NTFS driver". All ports aren't created equal. Some of those USB ports probably aren't USB 2.0. I'd try it in a few different ports if you have a bunch and haven't tried yet or plug it in where your other USB HD normally is if you haven't yet. Just a thought. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 01:29:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K6TQOw032611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:29:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1K6TQV4032610 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:29:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K6TPj3032606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:29:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K6TPuC029519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:29:25 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KJLhsT007163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:21:43 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K6TE7H022961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:29:14 -0500 Message-ID: <43F961B9.1000902@nks.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 01:29:13 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS References: <43F90C77.5080202@cox.net> <43F91673.6040104@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <43F91673.6040104@cox.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070301080203040104070000" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.902, required 6, AWL -0.26, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, TW_HK 0.08, TW_KD 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070301080203040104070000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael hast wrote: >> I can make a big partition, no problem. But FAT32 doesn't go >128 >> GiB. (There's only 70-something GiB of data anyway counting wasted >> allocation space, so I could split the disk half FAT and half NTFS.) >> Two filesystems are better than 5, so yeah, that'd be an improvement. >> >> Plus, what can I use to lay down a FAT filesystem? TTBOMK there's no >> mkfs.vfat or similar. >> >> Anyhow, why should I think that FAT written thusly will be accessed >> faster than what I have? >> > I should have specified that I didn't think that would fix your speed > problem, but that maybe you could write a bigger partition that way. > I've never tried to put down a partition that big in any format and I > didn't realize that FAT32 won't go bigger than that. Learn something > new everyday, right? I know for a fact that I've made FAT32 volumes larger than 128GB with mkdosfs, and I've successfully mounted said volumes under OS/X. Honestly, I can't remember if I've tried mounting those volumes on a Win2k/XP box (as I have no boxes running Windows natively), but I'm fairly certain I did. Microsoft doesn't want you to use FAT32 for volumes over 32GB in size. So, if you use a Linux fdisk tool to make a large FAT32 partition, and use mkdosfs to create the filesystem on it, you _can_ mount and use it under Win2k/XP. Looking on the net a bit, I've put together a little helpful information: The maximum number of clusters on a volume on a FAT32 filesystem is 268,435,445. Cluster sizes vary. If you make the cluster size more than 64KB, Win2k/XP will calculate disk space incorrectly, but it should successfully mount it. With that cluster size limit in mind, if you use a cluster size of 32KB, you end up with a maximum theoretical volume size of ~8TB that should function with Win2k/XP. You cannot use ScanDisk with Win95/98/ME on a volume larger than 128GB due to programmatic 16bit limitations. With Win2k/XP, you can't create FAT32 volumes larger than that (you must use Windows 98/SE). Windows 98/SE have an FDISK limitation for such large partition sizes, however (ie, it can't create them, and older unpatched versions can't see them). I'm not sure how Win2k/XP's chkdsk will handle a huge FAT32 volume, it should theoretically work however. Now, technical reasons aside, I think you're insane for relying on a FAT32 volume of that size. It doesn't scale well. Repairing the filesystem is bound to be problematic. You can always graft in ext2 drivers for Win2k or OS/X (not that ext2 is a whole lot better, but I'd rely on ext2's fsck over chkdsk anyday)... If you want to share a huge external USB drive between various platforms with the least amount of fuss, FAT32 is the painless way of transporting it. However, I'd only use this for _transporting_ data between machines, not to _archive_ data with any criticality. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 02:35:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K7Zeng000612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:35:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1K7ZeMo000611 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:35:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K7ZeJi000607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:35:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K7ZdFH032634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:35:39 -0500 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1K7ZLeW021282 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:35:21 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A958EE93B for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 02:35:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602200235.13941.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.562, required 6, AWL 0.15, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60, TW_SW 0.08, TW_WP 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 19 February 2006 16:21, Eben King wrote: > So my friend D brought me a dead USB HD. 160 GB, about half full (he > said). XP hemmed and hawed when the drive was plugged in and wouldn't show > its contents. So I popped it on my box (Linux, natch) and got 67 GiB of > files from it, in several big tar files. Yay Linux. Took over two days, > because every time there was an error, it stopped and waited (for what? It was having access problems. (Checksum errors.) So it would reread over and over. > The error to fix itself?) for 5.5 minutes (I timed it). Boo Linux. Linux Boo!? It's probably h/w or user problem. > Now I've got everything I can get, and it's time to put it back. NTFS > writing is unreliable and new, so I chose FAT (vfat). Had to make 3 > primary + virtual partitions, as XP's formatter won't make a 128 GiB FAT > partition (W98's will, but I can't get the drive to show up in W98). Ah, still using w98... OK, that's a problem in itself. I'd strongly recommend moving up to W2K SP2. This is how far you can go without getting into the EULA where you agree to let MS into your computer. Now you have a far more reliable and faster system. NTFS smokes FAT and is not unreliable under windows. Hmm. My experience is that NTFS (under Linux file system driver) is working fine. It is not exactly new as that has been in progress for years now. It's being considered experimental but I have had zero problems over the last couple of years. After a while using FAT you will wish you did. Never mind trying to repair it. > Copying to vfat is VERY slow -- in 6.5 hours it's written 11.3 GiB, which > is about 500 KiB/s. That's from an uncompressed tar file. It's slower on > big files, pausing for many seconds in the write. BTW, It's commonly written as KB and GB. > What can I do to speed this up? I have half a mind to create a big file, > format it ext[23], loopback mount it, extract the tar files to it, export > it via Samba, mount it from an XP laptop over wifi, and restore it THAT > way. I'm afraid that's more trouble than it's worth. > > Also, my load went way up: > > eben@pc:/mnt/temp2$ uptime > 16:15:31 up 3 days, 16:43, 9 users, load average: 10.70, 10.72, 10.74 > > procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- > ----cpu---- r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in > cs us sy id wa 0 10 2828 12236 6456 635788 0 0 131 118 109 > 12 5 4 33 57 0 10 2828 12232 6476 635664 0 0 359 194 > 1358 3928 2 2 0 96 0 10 2828 12092 6472 635732 0 0 154 > 176 1362 3874 1 3 0 96 0 10 2828 12436 6444 635704 0 0 231 > 177 1347 3835 1 2 0 96 1 10 2828 12116 6468 635724 0 0 > 590 176 1396 3914 2 3 0 95 > > How do I find out what those "waiting" processes are? Can I convince "ps" > to tell me? Waiting is normal, commands are queued. Executing a command like: ps -eo pid,tid,class,rtprio,ni,pri,psr,pcpu,stat,wchan:14,comm will tell you more of what is going on. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 11:02:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KG2f1s004418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:02:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1KG2fZB004417 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:02:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KG2eIs004413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:02:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KG2etD030856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:02:40 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KG2M89025833 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:02:22 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1KG2LF1022612 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:02:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:02:27 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS In-Reply-To: <200602200235.13941.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: References: <200602200235.13941.steve@szmidt.org> X-GetARealMailreader: On Sunday 19 February 2006 16:21, Eben King wrote: >> So my friend D brought me a dead USB HD. 160 GB, about half full (he >> said). XP hemmed and hawed when the drive was plugged in and wouldn't show >> its contents. So I popped it on my box (Linux, natch) and got 67 GiB of >> files from it, in several big tar files. Yay Linux. Took over two days, >> because every time there was an error, it stopped and waited (for what? > > It was having access problems. (Checksum errors.) So it would reread over and > over. Fair enough. But disks are fast. It must have been rereading thousands of times. You'd think it'd give up and return an error before then. >> Now I've got everything I can get, and it's time to put it back. NTFS >> writing is unreliable and new, so I chose FAT (vfat). Had to make 3 >> primary + virtual partitions, as XP's formatter won't make a 128 GiB FAT >> partition (W98's will, but I can't get the drive to show up in W98). > > Ah, still using w98... OK, that's a problem in itself. I'd strongly recommend > moving up to W2K SP2. Other computers do use XP (until recently some used W2K), but that on's a Celeron 450. Rather underpowered. > Now you have a far more reliable and faster system. NTFS smokes FAT and is > not unreliable under windows. Agreed. > Hmm. My experience is that NTFS (under Linux file system driver) is working > fine. It is not exactly new as that has been in progress for years now. It's > being considered experimental but I have had zero problems over the last > couple of years. OK. I thought the write support had severe limitations, like it could only replace files, and with one of the same length too. >> Copying to vfat is VERY slow -- in 6.5 hours it's written 11.3 GiB, which >> is about 500 KiB/s. That's from an uncompressed tar file. It's slower on >> big files, pausing for many seconds in the write. > > BTW, It's commonly written as KB and GB. They're different: K=10^3=1000, G=10^9=1000000000; Ki=2^10=1024, Gi=2^12=1073741824. http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html >> I have half a mind to create a big file, format it ext[23], loopback >> mount it, extract the tar files to it, export it via Samba, mount it from >> an XP laptop over wifi, and restore it THAT way. I'm afraid that's more >> trouble than it's worth. Did that. Slow but more convenient. >> Also, my load went way up: >> >> eben@pc:/mnt/temp2$ uptime >> 16:15:31 up 3 days, 16:43, 9 users, load average: 10.70, 10.72, 10.74 >> How do I find out what those "waiting" processes are? Can I convince "ps" >> to tell me? > > Waiting is normal, commands are queued. Executing a command like: > ps -eo pid,tid,class,rtprio,ni,pri,psr,pcpu,stat,wchan:14,comm > > will tell you more of what is going on. Be prepared to use the man page! Thanks. ps(1) is quite confusing. eben@pc:~$ ps -eo pid,tid,class,rtprio,ni,pri,psr,pcpu,stat,wchan:14,comm | wc -l 128 I guess that shows processes waiting on _any_ syscall. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 12:04:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KH4PDE004863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:04:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1KH4PMO004862 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:04:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KH4OZI004858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:04:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KH4OYo001429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:04:24 -0500 Received: from baracus.dreamhost.com (baracus.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.11]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KH3vG4024331 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:03:58 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by baracus.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E647A10F40B for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] recover NTFS Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:03:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200602200235.13941.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602201203.50942.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.552, required 6, AWL -0.29, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_61 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 20 February 2006 11:02, Eben King wrote: > > It was having access problems. (Checksum errors.) So it would reread over > > and over. > > Fair enough. But disks are fast. It must have been rereading thousands of > times. You'd think it'd give up and return an error before then. There are seconds of timeout... > > Ah, still using w98... OK, that's a problem in itself. I'd strongly > > recommend moving up to W2K SP2. > > Other computers do use XP (until recently some used W2K), but that on's a > Celeron 450. Rather underpowered. Yeah, but all XP versions has the bad EULA. W2K SP2 is the last acceptable one. > > Hmm. My experience is that NTFS (under Linux file system driver) is > > working fine. It is not exactly new as that has been in progress for > > years now. It's being considered experimental but I have had zero > > problems over the last couple of years. > > OK. I thought the write support had severe limitations, like it could only > replace files, and with one of the same length too. Not at all. NTFS support is actually quite old by now. We just not sure about the specs and have been concluding how it must work. We must be pretty close. It probab;y should not be used in a corporate production environment. But I must say I've had no problems for years. (Not that I write very much, so I could just be lucky : ) > > BTW, It's commonly written as KB and GB. > > They're different: K=10^3=1000, G=10^9=1000000000; Ki=2^10=1024, > Gi=2^12=1073741824. http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html Yeah, but it's understood, just not noted. > > will tell you more of what is going on. Be prepared to use the man page! > > Thanks. ps(1) is quite confusing. > > eben@pc:~$ ps -eo pid,tid,class,rtprio,ni,pri,psr,pcpu,stat,wchan:14,comm | > wc -l 128 > > I guess that shows processes waiting on _any_ syscall. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 12:24:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KHOawS005040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1KHOaGB005039 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KHOaVw005035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KHOa6d002331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:36 -0500 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KHOKso014622 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:24 -0500 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6231AF3862 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Parent monitoring software for linux? From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <4ce3ca360602191130ie9d5377ge733996fe13baba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> <4ce3ca360602191130ie9d5377ge733996fe13baba@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1140456260.4079.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.991, required 6, AWL -0.47, BAYES_05 -1.11, FS_SOFTWARE_LOWER 0.39, FU_WITH_ID 0.20) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 14:30 -0500, Everett Attebury wrote: > > > On 2/19/06, Larry Brown wrote: > Kind of goes against the "free" idea behind Linux. But for > people who > have young children and need to be assured some @#!@ing > pervert isn't > convincing their kids he is someone who knows their inner self > and needs > to meet them privately somewhere, it is invaluable. I'm > pretty sure I > can write something to hook into iptables and between that and > the > parent ensuring they do not have encrypted tools, have a > reasonable > method of keeping an eye on them. However, I'd rather not > have to write > something and have them use an accepted tool for such > things. Does > anyone know if such an animal exists for Linux? > > Here's a couple of articles: > > http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/01/1833212&tid=49 > > http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/13/1922253 > > > As in the first link that Everett mentioned, squid (or squid based DansG) is the way to go for browser content filtering. I don't know for sure but I don't think DansGuardian does anything for IM stuff though. A quick search through freshmeat.net turned up this for a GPL AIM/IM sniffer: http://www.aimsniff.com/about.html http://www.aimsniff.com/screenshots/index.html HTH! Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 13:22:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KIM9nn005470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:22:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1KIM9UI005469 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:22:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KIM983005465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:22:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KIM8CY005099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:22:08 -0500 Received: from aaa.dreamhost.com (aaa.dreamhost.com [64.111.107.16]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1KILtp3007593 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:21:55 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by aaa.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D65620252 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 10:21:54 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Parent monitoring software for linux? Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:21:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> <4ce3ca360602191130ie9d5377ge733996fe13baba@mail.gmail.com> <1140456260.4079.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> In-Reply-To: <1140456260.4079.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602201321.46451.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.081, required 6, AWL -0.01, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, FS_SOFTWARE_LOWER 0.39) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I used to use squid logging... but it was for watching employees. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 20:41:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L1fm4m008540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1L1fmgG008539 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L1fltb008535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L1fX86023018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:47 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L1fHq6026758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:18 -0500 Received: from c-68-34-150-178.hsd1.fl.comcast.net ([68.34.150.178] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FBMWT-0007Uq-QJ for slug@nks.net; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:02 -0500 Subject: [SLUG] xml-rpc Ugliness, rears its head again From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-eACXNj4RZxEp1cFwHeDo" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:41:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1140486060.2887.2.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.573, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-eACXNj4RZxEp1cFwHeDo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow web hosters and web posters, here is a "heads up": http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/303 The Logan --=20 Spare the rod and spoil the rm -r. -- BOFH Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-eACXNj4RZxEp1cFwHeDo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBD+m+r3OecGqSbkyMRAoKHAKCllf1OfWAzPVgAyhydJNAoYDzQOACcCaHM KFaoWcRZxqTDS6lyaT4M+1k= =nQuc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-eACXNj4RZxEp1cFwHeDo-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 20 23:46:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L4kRKC009831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:46:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1L4kRV6009830 for slug-track29; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:46:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L4kR68009826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:46:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L4kRV7030708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:46:27 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (rrcs-24-73-203-10.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.203.10]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1L4kHUx013022 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:46:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FD7176C2F for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:25:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Parent monitoring software for linux? From: Larry Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200602201321.46451.steve@szmidt.org> References: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> <4ce3ca360602191130ie9d5377ge733996fe13baba@mail.gmail.com> <1140456260.4079.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> <200602201321.46451.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1140497372.10766.80.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:49:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -4.90) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.161, required 6, AWL 0.56, BAYES_05 -1.11, FS_SOFTWARE_LOWER 0.39) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks guys for the assistance. I was having problems getting aimsniff running and found msgsnarf. It was worse trying to get it to build until I found someone had created a binary rpm for Suse which is the target system. I've installed it but it does not seem to be picking the aim traffic up. The documentation is poor and it does not look like anyone is continuing development etc on it. I know that the output of one of the other binaries in the package dsniff says its output file is in the Berkeley DB format. I'm thinking maybe msgsnarf isn't outputting to stout and there is some output file somewhere. Haven't found it yet. :0 Ethereal is seeing the traffic just fine so I would be surprised if msgsnarf would be failing... IE it isn't an encrypted connection or anything. 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Here's a link "http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs" for those interested in what is going on with it. Basically the low-level install process is being re-written and we are encountering the "alpha" of that re-write. Other than installation and initial config issues there are some nice features being added...XGL is probably the most talked about. But don't try XGL or it's components with anything other than NVIDIA drivers at present...ATI's 3d drivers for Linux are not working that well at present. Enjoy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 08:28:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDSvkd013802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:28:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LDSv4P013800 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:28:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDSuvH013796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:28:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDSoNv030743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:28:55 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDPOpt024601 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:25:25 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so1137652nzo for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:25:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aShw/lZHYZHECa9j0TEjBPAY9R+z6xO4iAZaGtOcoJYzdm2UPQlbWQeo5Gpq/nxzzZU5yYzcPxYGlT4GY3ASHLi2ZsrlnyKXpfMzHG/gX2loBm8AuP1fjToUyrxGD0SkqlBviBgFgCHimznrxqJzwZUO0MQeocMc5EFuTplXNps= Received: by 10.36.127.11 with SMTP id z11mr1713048nzc; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.17.4 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:25:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <31f129860602210525v421633a4o4aa2b394b81b79d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:25:23 -0500 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Parent monitoring software for linux? In-Reply-To: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7033_14254791.1140528323680" References: <1140364667.10766.72.camel@crimresearch.dimensionnetworks.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.198, required 6, AWL -0.20, FS_SOFTWARE_LOWER 0.39, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_7033_14254791.1140528323680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline As some one mention there is Aimsniff Here is what i would do.... Freebsd based PFSense Router box ( any low end computer with 128 megs of ra= m will do) and you and install the aimsniff package. >From the console issue ( shell option 8 ): pkg_add -r aimsniff I dont know best thing I would say is if there is some prev then hunt him down and do well I let you fill in the blanks on that one. On 2/19/06, Larry Brown wrote: > > Kind of goes against the "free" idea behind Linux. But for people who > have young children and need to be assured some @#!@ing pervert isn't > convincing their kids he is someone who knows their inner self and needs > to meet them privately somewhere, it is invaluable. I'm pretty sure I > can write something to hook into iptables and between that and the > parent ensuring they do not have encrypted tools, have a reasonable > method of keeping an eye on them. However, I'd rather not have to write > something and have them use an accepted tool for such things. Does > anyone know if such an animal exists for Linux? > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_7033_14254791.1140528323680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
As some one mention there is Aimsniff
 
Here is what i would do....
 
Freebsd based PFSense Router box ( any low end computer with 128 megs = of ram will do)
and you and install the aimsniff package.
 
From the console issue ( shell option 8 ):

pkg_add -r aimsniff<= br>
 
I dont know best thing I would say is if there is some prev then hunt = him down and do well I let you fill in the blanks on that one.
 
 
 
On 2/19/06, = Larry Brown <la= rry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com> wrote:
Kind of goes against the "f= ree" idea behind Linux.  But for people who
have young ch= ildren and need to be assured some @#!@ing pervert isn't
convincing their kids he is someone who knows their inner self and need= s
to meet them privately somewhere, it is invaluable.  I'm pre= tty sure I
can write something to hook into iptables and between that an= d the
parent ensuring they do not have encrypted tools, have a reasonable
meth= od of keeping an eye on them.  However, I'd rather not have to wr= ite
something and have them use an accepted tool for such things. &= nbsp;Does
anyone know if such an animal exists for Linux?

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On 2/21/06, = John Pugh <jpugh@novell.com&= gt; wrote:
Was released on 18 Feb. Here's a= link
"h= ttp://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs " for those
interested in what is going on with it. Basically t= he low-level install
process is being re-written and we are encountering= the "alpha" of that
re-write. Other than installation and ini= tial config issues there are
some nice features being added...XGL is probably the most talked about.=
But don't try XGL or it's components with anything other than NVIDIAdrivers at present...ATI's 3d drivers for Linux are not working that
well at present.

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 08:38:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDcYFe013881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:38:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LDcYIP013880 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:38:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDcXrU013876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:38:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDcXx3031530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:38:33 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDcIe2015474 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:38:18 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so1111032wri for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:38:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LFHDGe/Mlt4I6Sse5zZnn7c03GTCJMD9f5QgQcJ02pH3NDmbeX7a9jaOrBYO+45WDH6hP3ls74ByUcCGUXxZ9o2zw4YbKTj1YOM0hM/aA8VLB6M3Lgrjee4rriWS0QVMfdaUGGe1cEq2lFfiC/5ZSLkWf0bilOFx6NEhXsM9XaI= Received: by 10.54.83.16 with SMTP id g16mr2650657wrb; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:38:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.96.9 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 05:38:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602210538p78e02412j33900fecbdf24608@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:38:16 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 beta 4 In-Reply-To: <31f129860602210527n4881d439n832a739f550c5c84@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <43FACC70.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <31f129860602210527n4881d439n832a739f550c5c84@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.229, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.37, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1LDcXrT013877 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/21/06, Robert Snyder wrote: > I was in a barnes and noble last night and saw the special edition of Linux > Format : Open Suse Edition for the low low low price of 20.00 dollars. 20 > dollars for something I can download for free very interesting. It's always been that way - I paid $10 for a redhat 6.1 install cd because I didn't have a good connection nor a cd burner. Some people don't want to hassle with waiting for a download, checksumming the iso(s), burning them, etc. -- Debianista! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 08:57:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDvQ9w014006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LDvQgl014005 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDvQrF014001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDvPAS032678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:25 -0500 Received: from smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LDv7ot017006 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:08 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WzW3oXAkLH1I32DLS/dxDNmKGr9VMHs2HGaYjW6EppizHt3Rfbouycf5k6A9qBp+; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtpauth02.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FBY0p-0005Zq-Gk for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:07 -0500 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 beta 4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:57:06 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <43FACC70.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <43FACC70.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602210857.06401.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c260973d14ff8b71c41fc47ec4578b0d4c7b03ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.356, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.24, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 21 February 2006 08:16 am, John Pugh wrote: > Was released on 18 Feb. Here's a link > "http://en.opensuse.org/Bugs:Most_Annoying_Bugs" for those > interested in what is going on with it. Basically the low-level install > process is being re-written and we are encountering the "alpha" of that > re-write. Other than installation and initial config issues there are > some nice features being added...XGL is probably the most talked about. > But don't try XGL or it's components with anything other than NVIDIA > drivers at present...ATI's 3d drivers for Linux are not working that > well at present. > > Enjoy. Downloaded it and installed it Saturday Night. {Beta 4 came out late Saturday afternoon} 1) It would not upgrade my OpenSource10.0 system; complained that there are files and libraries in my 10.0 system that is not in the Beta 4 system. Beta 2 would upgrade the identical 10.0 system. Bate 3 would not install. 2) I have never been able to make Samba work correct in 10.0. An identical Samba configuration worked like a charn in 10.1 Beta 4. These configurations were not tried in Alpha 2, 3, and 4 or Beta 1 and 2. So no comment can be made on that score. I works in Beta 4. 3) There are the normal minor level of configuration issues. For example if you install a complete KDE system with no Genome components you still get a that damn Gnome log-in screen instead of the nice KDE one. 4) My system crashed 2 seconds after visiting some website and activating what appeared to be some java script. Final results was total complete kernel crash. Kernel crash could have been results of attempt to recover from full and complete KDE crash. Bottom line complete reinstall. 5) Beta 4 has enough warnings about dependencies and other configuration issues that it should be reclassified as Alpha level not Beta level. SOTL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 10:31:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LFVlSU014751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LFVldq014750 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LFVkPL014746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LFVkYu006572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:46 -0500 Received: from baracus.dreamhost.com (baracus.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.11]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LFVQfF013670 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:27 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by baracus.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D9D10F3B0 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:31:20 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 beta 4 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:31:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43FACC70.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <31f129860602210527n4881d439n832a739f550c5c84@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f129860602210527n4881d439n832a739f550c5c84@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602211031.12972.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.203, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 21 February 2006 08:27, Robert Snyder wrote: > I was in a barnes and noble last night and saw the special edition of Linux > Format : Open Suse Edition for the low low low price of 20.00 dollars. 20 > dollars for something I can download for free very interesting. It sounds like you are unhappy with the option of buying a ready made CD, at a very low price at that. Besides, it's alway nice to put something back towards those that help you get something for free. Even though I've not needed installation support for the last ten years I still buy a full copy every now and then to contribute back to those who help me get it for free. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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I did a google search and did some reading on it, but I would like to hear from the linux world what you think about it. It looks as though it does everything with encryption. I have been looking for something to use that was GPL but it needed to have encryption. It also needed to be VERY easy for an end user to run. I deal with lots of people who are more afraid of the computer than walking across 4lanes of trafic in rush hour. What are you using? William __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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Works very well. On 2/21/06, William Coulter wrote: > This morning I was in a meeting at work and they demoed UltraVNC. I did a google search and did > some reading on it, but I would like to hear from the linux world what you think about it. It > looks as though it does everything with encryption. I have been looking for something to use that > was GPL but it needed to have encryption. It also needed to be VERY easy for an end user to run. > I deal with lots of people who are more afraid of the computer than walking across 4lanes of > trafic in rush hour. What are you using? > > William > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 11:20:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGKu23015198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LGKusX015197 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGKt3Y015193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGKt33009698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:55 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGKeIV010930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:40 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1LGGJnm031523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:16:22 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FBaFf-0002vX-ET for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:35 -0500 Received: from 24.73.78.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38167.24.73.78.146.1140538835.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <20060221155405.83706.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060221155405.83706.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:20:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:16:23 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.655, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.47, BAYES_40 -0.18) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter said: > This morning I was in a meeting at work and they demoed UltraVNC. I did a > google search and did > some reading on it, but I would like to hear from the linux world what you > think about it. It > looks as though it does everything with encryption. I have been looking for > something to use that > was GPL but it needed to have encryption. It also needed to be VERY easy > for an end user to run. > I deal with lots of people who are more afraid of the computer than walking > across 4lanes of > trafic in rush hour. What are you using? It's not necessarily easy unless scripted before hand, but I simply use OpenSSH to tunnel my VNC session. Even works on Windows with Putty. http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/vnc_ssh.shtml It works with any version of VNC that I've used. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 11:22:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGMiim015219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LGMiWD015218 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGMiX2015214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGMiEH009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:44 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGMWQI009583 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.47] ([71.101.248.191]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IV1002N1PHJQKI0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:22:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:11 -0500 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 beta 4 In-reply-to: <200602211031.12972.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <43FB3E33.1090006@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <43FACC70.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <31f129860602210527n4881d439n832a739f550c5c84@mail.gmail.com> <200602211031.12972.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.465, required 6, AWL -0.69, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 21 February 2006 08:27, Robert Snyder wrote: > >> I was in a barnes and noble last night and saw the special edition of Linux >> Format : Open Suse Edition for the low low low price of 20.00 dollars. 20 >> dollars for something I can download for free very interesting. >> > > It sounds like you are unhappy with the option of buying a ready made CD, at a > very low price at that. Besides, it's alway nice to put something back > towards those that help you get something for free. Even though I've not > needed installation support for the last ten years I still buy a full copy > every now and then to contribute back to those who help me get it for free. > > I am all up for paying for it if the money was not going into linux format's pocket. 20 dollars for magizine just because it has open suse cds. Sorry but it there was a sticker or notice saying that the price of the mag went to xyz open source project that would be one thing. But Just another mag trying to make money ..... I am not up for corporate greed. Personally I am in a huge supporter of the Open Suse Project and Novell.... As Novell from was a big supporter of both the tampa and sarasota/bradenton Software Freedom Day events. Speaking of which I need to get back to plan the one for this year. In favor of Supporting Opensource projects with money. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 11:23:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGNOgi015235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:23:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LGNNk1015234 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:23:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGNN2N015230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:23:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGNNOg009839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:23:23 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGN7g0029041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:23:07 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LGN6bo031869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:23:07 -0500 Message-ID: <43FB3E6A.3050804@nks.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:23:06 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC References: <20060221155405.83706.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060602010903040303060306" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.379, required 6, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060602010903040303060306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven Buehler wrote: > I just started using UltraVNC on my Windows laptop in order to control > it using my Palm T|X over wi-fi. Works very well. > > On 2/21/06, William Coulter wrote: > >> This morning I was in a meeting at work and they demoed UltraVNC. I did a google search and did >> some reading on it, but I would like to hear from the linux world what you think about it. It >> looks as though it does everything with encryption. I have been looking for something to use that >> was GPL but it needed to have encryption. It also needed to be VERY easy for an end user to run. >> I deal with lots of people who are more afraid of the computer than walking across 4lanes of >> trafic in rush hour. What are you using? >> For server speed under Windows, you can't beat UltraVNC. The CPU overhead is minimal, and the speed incredible. However, all of the advanced features require a UltraVNC client, and who uses a Windows desktop anymore? For Windows boxen we manage, we use UltraVNC. For Linux clients, we use TightVNC. Has anyone stumbled upon something better than TightVNC for Linux to use as a client? 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 12:36:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LHaxKs015746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LHaxcw015745 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LHaxPi015741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LHawXI014678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:59 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LHaewa017164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:41 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1LHWEnm003809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:32:22 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FBbR8-0004Rv-J5 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:30 -0500 Received: from 24.73.78.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41718.24.73.78.146.1140543390.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <43FB3E6A.3050804@nks.net> References: <20060221155405.83706.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FB3E6A.3050804@nks.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:36:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:32:23 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.499, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.76, BAYES_20 -0.74) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian Blenke said: > > Has anyone stumbled upon something better than TightVNC for Linux to use > as a client? (Tridia is a buggy fork, and I really haven't looked for > another VNC client for a while). FreeNX is the only thing I can think of. It's useless for my needs, since it isn't capable of sharing out the running display / framebuffer (all I ever want to do), but it's supposed to be quite fast for instantiating new sessions. Of course, if you need to hit :0, FreeNX is quite useless... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 13:07:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LI7od1015982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LI7otr015981 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LI7nqN015977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LI7nKO016637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:49 -0500 Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1LI7POi012277 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:07:25 -0500 Received: (qmail 57924 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2006 18:07:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=opkYj41iAi0kglwyjZ9oU5MYwvy29q3piq9p+8Uv5cOKh6cxzULKY3jd1XgFQYoQiWXwljDh0QVLYXL0ayfkb0dsrUltLWEHPO0lho6IoVOwuTDFXJzDowgrAixXpayIRov9iGWOQcYwG4Gsp8E99pUv7l0/PTrzJH5AgocOAr0= ; Message-ID: <20060221180724.57922.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:07:24 PST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:07:24 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That is cool. Let me know in the future pros and cons. I haven't had the chance to use it, so I am hopping to do some tonight. William --- Steven Buehler wrote: > I just started using UltraVNC on my Windows laptop in order to control > it using my Palm T|X over wi-fi. Works very well. > > On 2/21/06, William Coulter wrote: > > This morning I was in a meeting at work and they demoed UltraVNC. I did a google search and > did > > some reading on it, but I would like to hear from the linux world what you think about it. It > > looks as though it does everything with encryption. I have been looking for something to use > that > > was GPL but it needed to have encryption. It also needed to be VERY easy for an end user to > run. > > I deal with lots of people who are more afraid of the computer than walking across 4lanes of > > trafic in rush hour. What are you using? > > > > William > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 13:09:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LI9Sjm016003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:09:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LI9SCw016002 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:09:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LI9R0n015998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:09:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LI9RMJ016743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:09:27 -0500 Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1LI950B009022 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:09:05 -0500 Received: (qmail 89947 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2006 18:09:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e3t4M998BQd0Uu7oJm6s/gJb9rcRQ9UfkFpMBBBbbC2sUCyF5J7cg5eNhaSBNNG3g9YdhuDD7EBNElrbr6dRmZ1GQIqLWYzUhZic0l/vORBmK/9R85vCoO9MxhS+KezOPDO5Gm5KcdkuCg6YD9kihO5wv3c/BT9/Y88iqirgbvc= ; Message-ID: <20060221180901.89940.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:09:01 PST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <38167.24.73.78.146.1140538835.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks. This looks likes great reading tonight. William --- Jason Boxman wrote: > William Coulter said: > > This morning I was in a meeting at work and they demoed UltraVNC. I did a > > google search and did > > some reading on it, but I would like to hear from the linux world what you > > think about it. It > > looks as though it does everything with encryption. I have been looking for > > something to use that > > was GPL but it needed to have encryption. It also needed to be VERY easy > > for an end user to run. > > I deal with lots of people who are more afraid of the computer than walking > > across 4lanes of > > trafic in rush hour. What are you using? > > It's not necessarily easy unless scripted before hand, but I simply use > OpenSSH to tunnel my VNC session. Even works on Windows with Putty. > > http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/vnc_ssh.shtml > > It works with any version of VNC that I've used. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 13:12:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LIC5Mf016028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:12:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LIC5Oe016027 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:12:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LIC5ns016023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:12:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LIC5DQ016939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:12:05 -0500 Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1LIBkdp032624 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:11:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 91043 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2006 18:11:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UkLfkw5Gr9RtVRJkd8VnTHrWF3em2JA/0nYCvaY/JET81Lq1C/ejwWve0uX3FEQiWa2+rN0ilRkz92MQwFlT6Qume/1QW0DFLe8UuyvDgdtt3Qc6Dm6Ac+HrnRIwnEsBGEQzjtyuiTguoKbdKvLxbM1fOS840X+sGh0uSqHRs/k= ; Message-ID: <20060221181146.91041.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:11:46 PST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <43FB3E6A.3050804@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So, your saying that UltraVNC only works on windows, so you use TightVNC on linux. Can I use TightVNC to connect to a XP box using UltraVNC? William --- Ian Blenke wrote: > For server speed under Windows, you can't beat UltraVNC. The CPU > overhead is minimal, and the speed incredible. > > However, all of the advanced features require a UltraVNC client, and who > uses a Windows desktop anymore? > > For Windows boxen we manage, we use UltraVNC. > For Linux clients, we use TightVNC. > > Has anyone stumbled upon something better than TightVNC for Linux to use > as a client? (Tridia is a buggy fork, and I really haven't looked for > another VNC client for a while). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 13:32:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LIWcOl016232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LIWc7Q016231 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LIWcak016227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LIWcqG018157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:38 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LIWL3d009999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:21 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1LIRtnm007244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:28:03 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FBcJ1-0005Xv-Aq for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:11 -0500 Received: from 24.73.78.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44180.24.73.78.146.1140546731.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <20060221181146.91041.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43FB3E6A.3050804@nks.net> <20060221181146.91041.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:32:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:28:04 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter said: > So, your saying that UltraVNC only works on windows, so you use TightVNC on > linux. Can I use > TightVNC to connect to a XP box using UltraVNC? Sure, but you won't be able to use any UVNC features since TightVNC doesn't support them. You may need to disable any encryption UVNC expects or enable some kind of compatibility mode so it doesn't reject the TVNC connection, though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 15:32:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKW2tR017087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:32:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LKW2Ct017086 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:32:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKW1Ir017078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:32:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKW0GE024086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:32:01 -0500 Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1LKVlOt003925 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:31:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 14903 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2006 20:31:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1kWOrPbXWB5CewWIXr0vxpBwnE0J0L9MFkn42IZn9FuQQUFg/sqK9EeklqrYyWOqZPJ1y1p5l9afMPpYs8ihys0yYw7rhZfJiqCNR9bfDIMLvPcPibxnygZaHRzfnaGBGExoh+jt8qP+hYDcOTqdILj3Jx/Ll64QRhK7950q9R4= ; Message-ID: <20060221203146.14901.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:31:46 PST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <44180.24.73.78.146.1140546731.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.949, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is not going to work. I need a way to have encryption. Is there one that works with both linux and windows? William --- Jason Boxman wrote: > William Coulter said: > > So, your saying that UltraVNC only works on windows, so you use TightVNC on > > linux. Can I use > > TightVNC to connect to a XP box using UltraVNC? > > Sure, but you won't be able to use any UVNC features since TightVNC doesn't > support them. You may need to disable any encryption UVNC expects or enable > some kind of compatibility mode so it doesn't reject the TVNC connection, > though. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 15:59:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKxgpT017240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LKxg39017239 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKxf6t017235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKxf2j025212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:41 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKxS7b029075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:28 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LKxRPJ017771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:28 -0500 Message-ID: <43FB7F2F.2010107@nks.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:59:27 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC References: <20060221203146.14901.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060221203146.14901.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080702000907000306090304" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.557, required 6, AWL -0.16, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080702000907000306090304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit William Coulter wrote: > This is not going to work. I need a way to have encryption. Is there one that works with both > linux and windows? > SSH tunnelling is your friend. With port forwarding and an sshd under cygwin, you can safely tunnel without relying on a VNC SSL/TLS style wrapper. $ ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 user@mywindowsbox and in another window: $ vncviewer -encoding tight localhost:0 The trick is remembering that :0 means 5900, :1 means 5901, etc (just add 5900 to the display number). Many clients assume you're specifying an implicit port number if you go much over :20. Sure, you can throw stunnel in front of VNC and use an SSL aware VNC client. Sure, you can publish a Java VNC applet that is SSL aware (there are a few out there), but that really requires a web server unless you want to run it as an application... The TightVNC client doesn't support SSL, though newer client/server pairs that are platform specific like UltraVNC do. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 16:10:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLA6cL017369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:10:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LLA6T9017368 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:10:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLA6NQ017364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:10:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLA6Wg025895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:10:06 -0500 Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1LL9nYr017405 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:09:50 -0500 Received: (qmail 58679 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2006 21:09:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uC2L93e/xOjXQxUifco+BUzegASUW2CT9V2cM5QYr42qGcHn1rqZeRVka/z0NXiboEXdGdZIbVPDHoudojC9Ld3tPLHe1hTQQYOI59/Pkm021QnqYpF+KY19d7qS9iR0M+KKr7bepHoxZU3ZkIbsjw/TpxiIuMiDciIIPet6uVc= ; Message-ID: <20060221210949.58677.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.122.194.194] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:09:49 PST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:09:49 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Eanes Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20060221203146.14901.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.522, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_TV 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ssh / tightvnc will work on both windows and linux. The Sys/Net admin will have to do all the work of setting it up, though. For the users it's quite simple. --- William Coulter wrote: > This is not going to work. I need a way to have > encryption. Is there one that works with both > linux and windows? > > William > > --- Jason Boxman wrote: > > > William Coulter said: > > > So, your saying that UltraVNC only works on > windows, so you use TightVNC on > > > linux. Can I use > > > TightVNC to connect to a XP box using UltraVNC? > > > > Sure, but you won't be able to use any UVNC > features since TightVNC doesn't > > support them. You may need to disable any > encryption UVNC expects or enable > > some kind of compatibility mode so it doesn't > reject the TVNC connection, > > though. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 16:34:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLYt4M017563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LLYttT017562 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLYsXJ017558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLYsoo027294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLYS5d032601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:32 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1LLU3nm018142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:30:05 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FBf9D-0000gJ-Sl for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:15 -0500 Received: from 24.73.78.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <52134.24.73.78.146.1140557655.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <43FB7F2F.2010107@nks.net> References: <20060221203146.14901.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <43FB7F2F.2010107@nks.net> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:34:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 13:30:06 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.305, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.12, BAYES_40 -0.18) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian Blenke said: > William Coulter wrote: >> This is not going to work. I need a way to have encryption. Is there one >> that works with both >> linux and windows? > The trick is remembering that :0 means 5900, :1 means 5901, etc (just > add 5900 to the display number). Many clients assume you're specifying > an implicit port number if you go much over :20. Or you can connect to host::5900, host::5901, ect. according to the man page. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 16:35:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLZg21017579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:35:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1LLZgYE017578 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:35:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLZgjs017574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:35:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLZfiE027326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:35:42 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1LLZLQH011483 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:35:21 -0500 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.100.238.69]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IV200CNE3YQIZSA@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:35:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:35:18 -0500 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom day [was SUSE Linux 10.1 beta 4] In-reply-to: <43FB3E33.1090006@gte.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200602211635.19415.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <43FACC70.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200602211031.12972.steve@szmidt.org> <43FB3E33.1090006@gte.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.568, required 6, AWL 1.01, BAYES_00 -2.60, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >Personally I am in a huge supporter of the Open Suse Project and > Novell.... As Novell from was a big supporter of both the tampa and > sarasota/bradenton Software Freedom Day events. Speaking of which I > need to get back to plan the one for this year. > Tag, you're it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 21:28:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2SLk9019707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:28:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1M2SLXe019706 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:28:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2SGDa019702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:28:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2SGn3007570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:28:16 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2S8BL025076 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:28:08 -0500 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1M2S7G9017679 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:28:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200602220228.k1M2S7G9017679@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ultra VNC Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:31:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <20060221203146.14901.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-index: AcY3JkyY11LxeAg/Rya9Ti+VLk9CvAAMPV9w X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.099, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> This is not going to work. >> I need a way to have encryption. >> Is there one that works with both linux and windows? I assume your need for encryption means you are trying to access a computer not on your LAN. You might consider using a VPN to create a secure path, then run any VNC of your choice. The VPN will take care of the encryption side. Try Hamachi - http://www.hamachi.cc/ Or OpenVPN - http://openvpn.net/ Hamachi is easy, and passes right through firewalls with no configuration required. You can access your home PC from work, without the need to open ports on either firewall. Pretty cool stuff. The downside, is that both machines must use the Hamachi server to start the initial connection, so if it goes down, you can't connect. On the open source side, OpenVPN looks interesting. Still studying it. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:32 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC This is not going to work. I need a way to have encryption. Is there one that works with both linux and windows? William --- Jason Boxman wrote: > William Coulter said: > > So, your saying that UltraVNC only works on windows, so you use > > TightVNC on linux. Can I use TightVNC to connect to a XP box using > > UltraVNC? > > Sure, but you won't be able to use any UVNC features since TightVNC > doesn't support them. You may need to disable any encryption UVNC > expects or enable some kind of compatibility mode so it doesn't reject > the TVNC connection, though. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect > the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 21 21:49:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2nQc7019831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:49:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1M2nPPK019830 for slug-track29; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:49:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2nPSP019826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:49:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2nPlD008244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:49:25 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1M2n1bh016611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:49:02 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1M2ianm004407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:44:38 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FBk3g-0006vu-C4 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:48:52 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:48:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200602220228.k1M2S7G9017679@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200602220228.k1M2S7G9017679@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602212148.52048.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:44:38 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.802, required 6, AWL -0.70, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 21 February 2006 21:31, Ken Elliott wrote: > Or OpenVPN - http://openvpn.net/ > On the open source side, OpenVPN looks interesting. Still studying it. I think you'll like OpenVPN. It's pretty easy to setup, although you might need to setup a few static routes for everything to fly. It'll let you use a shared secret or PKI, depending on what you want to accomplish. With PKI you can have a profile per certificate and do all kinds of fun things when the certificate is authenticated, like modify firewall rules. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 08:07:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MD7h2D024357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:07:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MD7hoR024356 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:07:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MD7hNp024352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:07:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MD7Tka011780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:07:39 -0500 Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1MD4631012081 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:04:06 -0500 Received: (qmail 88205 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2006 13:04:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pQL9LVJr9Oe3J/xpP1UetRE4wK7/Hq3CtGDHb4Oue/lytxM+tV1Z4GDhLPlC7wqLrganoQl+/hjVzzBCTvQjUX/aj0poDGD8ZsFn7xDzS3IQT5rDWZizgw8+LJBHVNlTSalhCI0jYOSkU170DB4x0XOqAo4Ck6axmZ+wfTws41g= ; Message-ID: <20060222130405.88203.qmail@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:04:05 PST Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:04:05 -0800 (PST) From: William Coulter Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ultra VNC To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200602220228.k1M2S7G9017679@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.849, required 6, AWL -0.75, BAYES_00 -2.60, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is good. BUT, to you and I easy has a different meanning. I deal with people who sometimes don't know there left from there right. I guess I am going to do some programing. William --- Ken Elliott wrote: > >> This is not going to work. > >> I need a way to have encryption. > >> Is there one that works with both linux and windows? > > I assume your need for encryption means you are trying to access a computer > not on your LAN. You might consider using a VPN to create a secure path, > then run any VNC of your choice. The VPN will take care of the encryption > side. > > Try Hamachi - http://www.hamachi.cc/ > > Or OpenVPN - http://openvpn.net/ > > Hamachi is easy, and passes right through firewalls with no configuration > required. You can access your home PC from work, without the need to open > ports on either firewall. Pretty cool stuff. The downside, is that both > machines must use the Hamachi server to start the initial connection, so if > it goes down, you can't connect. > > On the open source side, OpenVPN looks interesting. Still studying it. > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 3:32 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ultra VNC > > This is not going to work. I need a way to have encryption. Is there one > that works with both linux and windows? > > William > > --- Jason Boxman wrote: > > > William Coulter said: > > > So, your saying that UltraVNC only works on windows, so you use > > > TightVNC on linux. Can I use TightVNC to connect to a XP box using > > > UltraVNC? > > > > Sure, but you won't be able to use any UVNC features since TightVNC > > doesn't support them. You may need to disable any encryption UVNC > > expects or enable some kind of compatibility mode so it doesn't reject > > the TVNC connection, though. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect > > the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 09:14:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MEEIs3024825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:14:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MEEI9Z024824 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:14:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MEEIIq024820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:14:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MEEHYx014880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:14:18 -0500 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MEE19u003536 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:14:01 -0500 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:13:57 -0700 Message-Id: <43FC2B4F.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:13:51 -0700 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] OpenSuSE Beta Updates References: <200602211321.07019.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200602211321.07019.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.341, required 6, AWL -1.10, BAYES_20 -0.74, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2006 at 1:21 pm, in message <200602211321.07019.sotl155360@earthlink.net>, sotl155360@earthlink.net wrote: > Hi All > > Sorry if I did not make it clear in my post about OpenSuSE but the next > edition of OpenSuSE Beta is posted sometines between late Thursday afternoon > > and late Saturday afternoon at > http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org > > Updates are sometimes weekly, some times by weekly and some times the third > week on no particular schedule. > > SOTL > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Good point...there are no scheduled updates, however the updates are announced when released and you can probably subscribe to the announcements on opensuse.org somewhere. beta4 was a milestone in that the XGL components were included, but the installer is really an alpha build hence the serious problems with installation and dependencies. One other point is that the opensuse.org builds are GPL and GPL compatible code only so you won't find anything that has a non-GPL component such as MP3 codecs (specific ones that are patented/copyrighted) and drivers such as the Atheros driver (madwifi is in there) which has a non-GPL compatible HAL component. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 11:16:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MGGTqs025743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MGGTjL025742 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MGGTfZ025738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MGGSrI020270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:28 -0500 Received: from mail.mailsnare.net (v185.mailsnare.net [206.246.200.185]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N58F8a007986 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:08:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (v185.mailsnare.net [206.246.200.185]) by anti-virus.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4EDC3B3 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [131.247.153.137] (unknown [131.247.153.137]) by mail.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D48138DE for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <43FC8E45.4040102@mailsnare.net> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:16:05 -0500 From: Josh Burroughs User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Power cord at Sarasota meeting References: <200602211321.07019.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43FC2B4F.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <43FC2B4F.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.501, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi, Does anyone who was at the Sarasota meeting last night have a power cord (like to a laptop power brick), that seems somewhat unfamiliar? When I got home last night, I realized I did not have mine, and when I checked the room this morning, there was a power cord there which does not look like the one I had before. If you think you've got my cord, let me know and we can arrange a swap. Thanks, Josh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 13:22:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIMVhM026640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:22:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MIMV1p026639 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:22:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIMUCO026635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:22:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIMT4g029572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:22:30 -0500 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIMLYr016719 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:22:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40C275CC12 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:22:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43FCABD6.9030508@ctrust.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:22:14 -0500 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Power cord at Sarasota meeting References: <200602211321.07019.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43FC2B4F.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <43FC8E45.4040102@mailsnare.net> In-Reply-To: <43FC8E45.4040102@mailsnare.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.042, required 6, AWL -1.27, BAYES_40 -0.18, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Josh Burroughs wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone who was at the Sarasota meeting last night have a power > cord (like to a laptop power brick), that seems somewhat unfamiliar? > When I got home last night, I realized I did not have mine, and when I > checked the room this morning, there was a power cord there which does > not look like the one I had before. > > If you think you've got my cord, let me know and we can arrange a swap. > > Thanks, > > Josh > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 13:51:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIpDtm026797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:51:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MIpDnD026796 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:51:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIpCk9026792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:51:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIpBPv031202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:51:12 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIotsB028707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:50:56 -0500 Received: (qmail 3813 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 13:50:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 13:50:38 -0500 Received: from 208.205.82.65 ([208.205.82.65]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:50:38 -0500 Message-ID: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:50:38 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.424, required 6, AWL -0.33, BAYES_00 -2.60, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone else noticed a speed upgrade in their Brighthouse cable connection? I'm getting twice the bandwidth now. For once, Brighthouse has done something right... -RM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 13:55:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIt59q026826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MIt5RX026825 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIt5Bj026821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIt4PF031322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:55:05 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.197]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MIspdH000490 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:54:52 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i31so1100109wxd for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:54:51 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aoMBGgGk4Kjm7sIQQaTPQNSyvGoGIq5hup4LkJenRnx2Ku3TmeH1/n0eImWtwIxAMtX/Px8QapeTpObsmhHhTAMELKvwTD52uOMawmYfNAzapK2KR7Jb/eqRzXhp5MxrWqRw0bnGvN9SKZ8593YVtDja+4X7Cn2LDeUG72NnQfk= Received: by 10.70.60.18 with SMTP id i18mr6661425wxa; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.53.10 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:54:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 13:54:50 -0500 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade In-Reply-To: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.849, required 6, AWL -0.75, BAYES_00 -2.60, nks_20060221_03 1.50) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1MIt5Bi026822 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net im getting 15mbit down 2mbit up from brighthouse as part of my phone/net/cable/DVR package deal. On 2/22/06, Richard Morgan wrote: > Has anyone else noticed a speed upgrade in their Brighthouse cable connection? > I'm getting twice the bandwidth now. For once, Brighthouse has done something > right... > > -RM > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 14:13:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJDOGV026985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:13:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MJDOGw026984 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:13:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJDNDA026980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:13:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJDNWC032155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:13:23 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJD7iw002636 for ; 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 14:39:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJdnwZ027187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:39:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MJdnqp027186 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:39:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJdnwe027182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:39:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJdmSb001035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:39:48 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MJdWWG016137 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:39:32 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MJdVw2017120 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:39:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:39:40 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] modem problems Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1MLuM8X028137 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MLuLPI028133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MLuLx2007900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:21 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1MLuAax000943 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:10 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1MLu9ct026622 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:56:09 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] modem problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: Hi. I have an external modem. A real one (USR Sportster), not a Winmodem. I > wrote a script which grabs the Caller ID information as it comes in and dumps > it to the log, where another script speaks it. It worked fine up until some > time after Feb 16 20:09:37, when apparenntly I broke it. It probably was in > the process of changing the device name from "/dev/modem" to "/dev/ttyS0". > I've used modems and null modems for years on Linux, and this is the first > problem I couldn't figure out. > > Anyhow, I took the modem and cable to the laptop and they worked there. I > checked the motherboard manual and verified that it is plugged into the first > serial port. (BTW, whoever suggested a difference in USB ports in the "NTFS > backup" thread was right -- the upper two ports are USB 1.1, and the lower > two are USB 2.0. Dunno yet what the "extra" ports are.) I tried both ttyS0 > and ttyS1 in minicom, both at 38400 (its default) and 2400 bps, no response. > The module "8250" is loaded. > > root@pc:/mnt# ls -l /dev/ttyS? > -rw-rw---- 1 root dialout 37 Feb 22 14:16 /dev/ttyS0 > -rw-rw---- 1 root dialout 5 Feb 22 14:10 /dev/ttyS1 > root@pc:/mnt# groups eben > eben : eben adm dialout ... > root@pc:/mnt# > > What could be the problem? Port fried? $%#&. I rebooted to check the BIOS (ttyS* enabled) and boot into the "System Rescue CD" (worked there), and when I came back, it worked. We hatessss Heisenbugssss, yes we do. Now I get to wonder when it's going to fail again. When it does, if I'm lucky, the failures will in an identifiable sequence. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 20:02:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N129Lr029505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:02:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N129Hx029504 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:02:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N128j5029500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:02:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N128Mk016950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:02:08 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N11uMF020460 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:01:56 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.200] (158-109.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.109.158]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N11sx0004917 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.12/266]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:02:05 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steven Buehler wrote: > I remember then bumping it up from 3 Mbps to 5 Mbps last year when > Verizon started rolling out FIOS in Tampa. > > I just checked mine here outside Lakeland (almost in Mulberry) through > the DSLReports speed checker and it's 4487 Kbps down with my wife on > our CallVantage phone. > > On 2/22/06, *Richard Morgan* > wrote: > > Has anyone else noticed a speed upgrade in their Brighthouse cable > connection? > I'm getting twice the bandwidth now. For once, Brighthouse has > done something > right... > > -RM > I noticed my RR (in Port Richey) being a little (or more than a little) faster today, too. So I ran DSLreports, and got 5169/475 kbps. That's faster than my last test : 12/23/05 4663/353 kbps. It seems like another jump, since last increase last summer. ./B ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 20:07:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N17ki0029539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N17kpW029538 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N17jeR029534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N17jnK017171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:45 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N17btS032458 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.200] (158-109.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.109.158]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N17a3W002674 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.12/266]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:48 -0500 Message-ID: <43FD0AE3.9020803@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:07:47 -0500 From: Branko User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Branko wrote: > Steven Buehler wrote: > >> I remember then bumping it up from 3 Mbps to 5 Mbps last year when >> Verizon started rolling out FIOS in Tampa. >> >> I just checked mine here outside Lakeland (almost in Mulberry) through >> the DSLReports speed checker and it's 4487 Kbps down with my wife on >> our CallVantage phone. >> >> On 2/22/06, *Richard Morgan* > > wrote: >> >> Has anyone else noticed a speed upgrade in their Brighthouse cable >> connection? >> I'm getting twice the bandwidth now. For once, Brighthouse has >> done something >> right... >> >> -RM >> >> > I noticed my RR (in Port Richey) being a little (or more than a little) > faster today, too. So I ran DSLreports, and got 5169/475 kbps. That's > faster than my last test : 12/23/05 4663/353 kbps. It seems like > another jump, since last increase last summer. > > ./B > > And here is more on that: http://cfl.mybrighthouse.com/about/newsroom/pressreldetails.aspx?NewsId=587 ./B ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 20:09:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N196mf029561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:09:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N196we029560 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:09:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N195G7029556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:09:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N195WC017236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:09:05 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N18vM5002942 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:08:57 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 8so1563211nzo for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:08:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pp4HhCHh0Ps6ydqcCGnb+nxWkR4zlnIUicx71cPPhE0GLrvch+zV9CuG6acq7s42gayPugp8d+njbx6FPhlaNl3xhO3p8xc2bwtVgkDwOce/LARKcrzBjjNE99X9RsxqSNmgZ5ZUHabGQEUWN9nM79eqEHXeNvNMvIaUQzGwXHU= Received: by 10.36.22.20 with SMTP id 20mr6888433nzv; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.147.16 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:08:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:08:56 -0500 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3364_18143360.1140656936674" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.776, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, nks_20060221_01 3.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_3364_18143360.1140656936674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I downloaded N-Vu (a web page utility) into my Fedora Core 4 server. The file name is "nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm" and I manually installed it with= : [root@localhost nvu]# rpm -Uvh nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm Preparing... ########################################### [100%] 1:nvu ########################################### [100%] when I start nvu I get this: [root@localhost nvu]# nvu (nvu-bin:21529): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) The application starts but the root shell console stalls. Does anyone know how to fix this? ------=_Part_3364_18143360.1140656936674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I downloaded N-Vu (a web page utility) into my Fedora Core 4 server.  = The file name is "nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm" and I manually ins= talled it with:
[root@localhost nvu]# rpm -Uvh nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.r= pm
Preparing...          = ;      ###########################################= [100%]
   1:nvu       &nbs= p;            ######= ##################################### [100%]

when I start nvu I get = this:
[root@localhost nvu]# nvu

(nvu-bin:21529): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value h= as wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?)

The application = starts but the root shell console stalls.  Does anyone know how to fix= this?
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 20:21:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1LHIt029711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:21:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N1LHnA029710 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:21:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1LGQ5029706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:21:16 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1LGCH018385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:21:16 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NECshN030109 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:12:55 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1224598wra for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:20:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mJxBBuOv0jCJSoa8lkEwIt/APW1n1jGQbysRlDA1E3L/4Ep5BJ+E3SzDaUTDj9lsTTlwYC2OVB1TWHgXu4VNZmvmoBafSw3A1DL/v1sz9n4fH1rTCitVVltWxTic7hsIlk7Pg+Y1JN3vjv3zp9TTjdeIabjH5tHzI43TvvFyZEw= Received: by 10.54.92.3 with SMTP id p3mr90653wrb; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.142.1 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:20:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:20:57 -0500 From: "Steven Buehler" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade In-Reply-To: <43FD0AE3.9020803@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> <43FD0AE3.9020803@gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.487, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.11, BAYES_00 -2.60, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1N1LGQ4029707 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The following is from the Tampa Bay Bright House site: "Residential customers of Road Runner High Speed Online and customers using other ISPs provided by Bright House Networks – including EarthLink High Speed Internet, Internet Junction and AOL for Broadband – will enjoy a maximum download speed of 7 megabits per second (mbps). The maximum upload speed, the rate at which e-mail and digital files can be sent, is 512 kilobits per second (kbps). Those speeds are increasing from maximum downloads of 5 mbps and uploads of 384 kbps." If you have one of their combo packages, you have the option ot upgrading to either 10 or 15 Mbps for a small additional charge (something like $10 more per month). On 2/22/06, Branko wrote: > Branko wrote: > > Steven Buehler wrote: > > > >> I remember then bumping it up from 3 Mbps to 5 Mbps last year when > >> Verizon started rolling out FIOS in Tampa. > >> > >> I just checked mine here outside Lakeland (almost in Mulberry) through > >> the DSLReports speed checker and it's 4487 Kbps down with my wife on > >> our CallVantage phone. > >> > >> On 2/22/06, *Richard Morgan* >> > wrote: > >> > >> Has anyone else noticed a speed upgrade in their Brighthouse cable > >> connection? > >> I'm getting twice the bandwidth now. For once, Brighthouse has > >> done something > >> right... > >> > >> -RM > >> > >> > > I noticed my RR (in Port Richey) being a little (or more than a little) > > faster today, too. So I ran DSLreports, and got 5169/475 kbps. That's > > faster than my last test : 12/23/05 4663/353 kbps. It seems like > > another jump, since last increase last summer. > > > > ./B > > > > > And here is more on that: > http://cfl.mybrighthouse.com/about/newsroom/pressreldetails.aspx?NewsId=587 > > ./B > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 20:25:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1Pkwd029741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N1PkYZ029740 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1PkmS029736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1PkVW018578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:46 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1PXcC023553 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:34 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N1PWuL019139 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:25:32 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this In-Reply-To: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: I downloaded N-Vu (a web page utility) into my Fedora Core 4 server. The > file name is "nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm" and I manually installed it with: > [root@localhost nvu]# rpm -Uvh nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > 1:nvu ########################################### > [100%] > > when I start nvu I get this: > [root@localhost nvu]# nvu > > (nvu-bin:21529): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has > wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) > > The application starts but the root shell console stalls. Does anyone know > how to fix this? Does the graphical app act normally? And, is there a reason you're running it as root? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 20:39:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1dgOx029835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:39:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N1dgNP029834 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:39:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1df8V029830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:39:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1degw019287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:39:41 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.195]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N1dRrf009817 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:39:28 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m22so1565149nzf for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:39:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j8t8Ofbeil+UjqHx7KsUXR445FACs3Io4YE2nHqozj4WIbORogXEbhyynn0s8IdKG4MXN0Cx0ruBmIQ6m1xeM8juZWcy7iBMnTDnMCD46pBVZnlra9PsXD+lQo2eNrUzjJG7dfsjdTWNnLqEAZrILwxjTfqJ4l4oQ4e7swscr7o= Received: by 10.36.250.70 with SMTP id x70mr1752760nzh; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.147.16 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:39:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <703ba7320602221739r40d75df6g8410d487b988e392@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:39:26 -0500 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3460_21698622.1140658766773" References: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.578, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.07, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_3460_21698622.1140658766773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline the app runs well, I haven't tried all the features. I used root because I was already there when I installed the app. Is this a bad practice? I'll play with NVu in Fedora and compare it with my Windows version. > > Does the graphical app act normally? And, is there a reason you're > running > it as root? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > > Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? > A: A purple Hayes. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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Does the graphical app act normally? &n= bsp;And, is there a reason you're running
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 21:06:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N26omR030074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:06:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N26ot5030073 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:06:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N26n37030068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:06:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N26nik020941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:06:49 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N26VYf004206 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:06:31 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1N26Ujs017363 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:06:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:06:30 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this In-Reply-To: <703ba7320602221739r40d75df6g8410d487b988e392@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> <703ba7320602221739r40d75df6g8410d487b988e392@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > Does the graphical app act normally? And, is there a reason you're >> running it as root? > the app runs well, I haven't tried all the features. I used root because I > was already there when I installed the app. Is this a bad practice? You shouldn't run things as root. There could be a bug in the code which would wreak unlimited havoc on your system. At least if that bug appears while you're running as you, it can only delete your files. That and root can't write to Joe User's $DISPLAY. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 22:03:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N33Xev030509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:03:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N33XEZ030508 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:03:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N33Xv6030504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:03:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N33Whf023934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:03:33 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N33HtJ026234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:03:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 4980 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 21:01:38 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 21:01:38 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCC456C16 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:03:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43FD260D.5090307@quillandmouse.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:03:41 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this References: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.168, required 6, AWL -1.82, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46, nks_20060221_01 3.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Waldo wrote: > I downloaded N-Vu (a web page utility) into my Fedora Core 4 server. > The file name is "nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm" and I manually installed > it with: > [root@localhost nvu]# rpm -Uvh nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > 1:nvu ########################################### > [100%] > > when I start nvu I get this: > [root@localhost nvu]# nvu > > (nvu-bin:21529): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has > wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) > GNOME and KDE spit out errors like this constantly, and I've never figured out why. Programs run fine, even as GNOME and KDE complain like hell. > The application starts but the root shell console stalls. Does anyone > know how to fix this? When you say it "stalls", do you mean it doesn't return to a prompt? If so, it's acting correctly. You launched a program from the command line which hasn't terminated yet. Like any other command launched this way, you don't get a prompt back until it terminates. The best way to do this is to add nvu to the menus in X. Don't ask me how this is done on Fedora, because I have no idea. But that would obviate having to run it from a console. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Feb 22 22:43:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N3hurn030815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N3huIQ030814 for slug-track29; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N3ht7p030810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N3htKO025912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:55 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N3heDp013557 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:41 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 12so1588246nzp for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:43:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T69JpVvCOkVC/PmUNQ3GjBKBcwvvda65o8Q+ppI6W1vCb7Oc82GVTMDlKLMuw1txvt+QWaHmvVV8LL7oVkLsjgATp0eu+zZA6mSxKQ0LRz5kZc93AjYLMi3LAlhuE8xSytDqpVBIkS4UqX0Cw39cAfCq+xTxLeeENS+h1C8DQj4= Received: by 10.36.22.20 with SMTP id 20mr7080925nzv; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:43:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.147.16 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:43:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <703ba7320602221943y65bbe2c4se755d49e8cc9ca56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:43:40 -0500 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this In-Reply-To: <43FD260D.5090307@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4350_28111901.1140666220307" References: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> <43FD260D.5090307@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.39, required 6, AWL -0.79, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, nks_20060221_01 3.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_4350_28111901.1140666220307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Afte playing with it for an hour, I found the best thing was to run it from the "run command" in the Fedora or KDE menu. You're right about the stalling (not returning to a prompt) until I close the application. I appreciate all the help. Looking forward to attending my first meeting in Dunedin this weekend. On 2/22/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > > Robert Waldo wrote: > > I downloaded N-Vu (a web page utility) into my Fedora Core 4 server. > > The file name is "nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm" and I manually installed > > it with: > > [root@localhost nvu]# rpm -Uvh nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm > > Preparing... ########################################### > > [100%] > > 1:nvu ########################################### > > [100%] > > > > when I start nvu I get this: > > [root@localhost nvu]# nvu > > > > (nvu-bin:21529): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has > > wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?) > > > > GNOME and KDE spit out errors like this constantly, and I've never > figured out why. Programs run fine, even as GNOME and KDE complain like > hell. > > > The application starts but the root shell console stalls. Does anyone > > know how to fix this? > > When you say it "stalls", do you mean it doesn't return to a prompt? If > so, it's acting correctly. You launched a program from the command line > which hasn't terminated yet. Like any other command launched this way, > you don't get a prompt back until it terminates. The best way to do this > is to add nvu to the menus in X. Don't ask me how this is done on > Fedora, because I have no idea. But that would obviate having to run it > from a console. > > Paul > > -- > Paul M. Foster > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_4350_28111901.1140666220307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Afte playing with it for an hour, I found the best thing was to run it from= the "run command" in the Fedora or KDE menu.  You're right = about the stalling (not returning to a prompt) until I close the applicatio= n.  I appreciate all the help.  Looking forward to attending my f= irst meeting in Dunedin this weekend.

On 2/22/06, Paul M Foster <pa= ulf@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
Robert Waldo wrote:
> I downloaded N-Vu (a web page utility) into my = Fedora Core 4 server.
> The file name is "nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i38= 6.rpm" and I manually installed
> it with:
> [root@localho= st nvu]# rpm -Uvh nvu-1.0-1.rhel4.fs.i386.rpm
> Preparing...  = ;            &n= bsp; ###########################################
> [100%]
>= ;    1:nvu       &nb= sp;            = ###########################################
> [100%]
>
> when I start nvu I get this:
> [root@loca= lhost nvu]# nvu
>
> (nvu-bin:21529): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_proper= ty_get(): length value has
> wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_M= AXLONG?)
>

GNOME and KDE spit out errors like this constantly, and I'v= e never
figured out why. Programs run fine, even as GNOME and KDE compla= in like
hell.

> The application starts but the root shell cons= ole stalls.  Does anyone
> know how to fix this?

When you say it "stalls", d= o you mean it doesn't return to a prompt? If
so, it's acting correctly. = You launched a program from the command line
which hasn't terminated yet= . Like any other command launched this way,
you don't get a prompt back until it terminates. The best way to do thi= s
  is to add nvu to the menus in X. Don't ask me how this is = done on
Fedora, because I have no idea. But that would obviate having to= run it
from a console.

Paul

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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 01:22:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N6MFMe032443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:22:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1N6MFjp032442 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:22:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N6MFwZ032438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:22:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N6MEcG005875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:22:14 -0500 Received: from fw1.localdomain (195.166.110-65.q9.net [65.110.166.195]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1N6LwdY005569 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:21:58 -0500 Received: from mail.globalsuite.net ([192.168.1.61]) by fw1.localdomain (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k1N6LVmS020071 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:21:31 -0700 Received: from IPOfCard1.guest-tek.com (unknown [66.14.176.168]) by mail.globalsuite.net (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id E0F72F47 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:21:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from [172.17.197.196] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by IPOfCard1.guest-tek.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k1N6LgF22784 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <43FD5499.1000605@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:22:17 -0500 From: petetheisen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Power cord at Sarasota meeting References: <200602211321.07019.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <43FC2B4F.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <43FC8E45.4040102@mailsnare.net> In-Reply-To: <43FC8E45.4040102@mailsnare.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Josh Burroughs wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone who was at the Sarasota meeting last night have a power cord > (like to a laptop power brick), that seems somewhat unfamiliar? When I > got home last night, I realized I did not have mine, and when I checked > the room this morning, there was a power cord there which does not look > like the one I had before. > > If you think you've got my cord, let me know and we can arrange a swap. Hi Josh! Does the one there work? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 07:10:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NCAaGt002726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:10:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1NCAafU002725 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:10:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NCAZdn002721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:10:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NCAZU1030483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:10:35 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NCALve029815 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:10:22 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so28695wra for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:10:21 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gvxGw9LXpme53yaAYXWbwqR8xoQDHlDyAOzEO6yPdM1dxXNDuy8flivZa/ZaJky+mNl6BuO0TPPDlRgLyA7xEjoZRJ6hA1Qck3uvPiher1OpaPl18rvJ4d8FHg74CyWX3ZQ5qW20xwQqwTYgK++H4XY2aJPQPZ2ukHCUL2ldjBE= Received: by 10.64.249.18 with SMTP id w18mr2804030qbh; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.249.19 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:10:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c90570602230410n44a35328h12de6b5f77fd606@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:10:20 -0500 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> <43FD0AE3.9020803@gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.148, required 6, AWL -0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1NCAadm002722 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/22/06, Steven Buehler wrote: > The following is from the Tampa Bay Bright House site: > > "Residential customers of Road Runner High Speed Online and customers > using other ISPs provided by Bright House Networks – including > EarthLink High Speed Internet, Internet Junction and AOL for Broadband > – will enjoy a maximum download speed of 7 megabits per second (mbps). > The maximum upload speed, the rate at which e-mail and digital files > can be sent, is 512 kilobits per second (kbps). Those speeds are > increasing from maximum downloads of 5 mbps and uploads of 384 kbps." > > If you have one of their combo packages, you have the option ot > upgrading to either 10 or 15 Mbps for a small additional charge > (something like $10 more per month). > I have the SOHO service with the fixed IP, I wonder if we get any new perks? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 09:27:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NERibB003776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1NERigF003775 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NERiph003771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NERich006774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:44 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NERPHo018009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 10699 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 09:27:07 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 09:27:07 -0500 Received: from 208.205.82.65 ([208.205.82.65]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:07 -0500 Message-ID: <20060223092707.vwj8vzkjfpk44gok@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:27:07 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> <43FD0AE3.9020803@gmail.com> <620c90570602230410n44a35328h12de6b5f77fd606@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570602230410n44a35328h12de6b5f77fd606@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.085, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Quoting Chuck Hast : > > I have the SOHO service with the fixed IP, I wonder if we get any new perks? > Yes, but call the support line. You may have to get an upgraded cable modem if the firmware is < v15 to support the higher speeds. I've got an appointment this Friday to replace mine since it's older and can't be upgraded remotely. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 09:59:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NExW80003961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1NExWX6003960 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NExWcn003956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NExVnq008383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:32 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NExHLQ022214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:17 -0500 Received: (qmail 11176 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 09:59:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 09:59:00 -0500 Received: from 208.205.82.65 ([208.205.82.65]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:00 -0500 Message-ID: <20060223095900.30pev697ma3kg44g@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:59:00 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] High performance Linux clustering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.433, required 6, AWL -1.32, BAYES_05 -1.11, nks_20050712_75 2.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone have any experience setting up a Linux cluster to be used for number crunching, biomedical research, simulations, modeling? Sincerely, Richard Morgan Heavy Systems Administrator http://www.heavysystems.com Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 11:08:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NG8TP9004516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:08:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1NG8TfI004515 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:08:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NG8Sre004511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:08:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NG8SxP012336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:08:28 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.201]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NG8GR9014002 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:08:17 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so75805wra for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WpGnAWeGCQzJFq4Jo4K5ghWM1ShB5Qjmg3R+GgJAMejLB1AjE0nXkDj9Cp3fTZTzQI2lQGg6hoJOr8MQZvd8q/obm76ewaGm0E2+UFR5drni9fxU4vkB86Il90mvfhVCYXn5yg11IR8MDnR9B2r9tA3koRNEmBz3yvJOOif+Id8= Received: by 10.54.113.3 with SMTP id l3mr395274wrc; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602230808jc9bee73mc006856a5e3ad0ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 10:08:16 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] High performance Linux clustering In-Reply-To: <20060223095900.30pev697ma3kg44g@webmail.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060223095900.30pev697ma3kg44g@webmail.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.026, required 6, AWL -0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1NG8Trd004512 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/23/06, Richard Morgan wrote: > Does anyone have any experience setting up a Linux cluster to be used for number > crunching, biomedical research, simulations, modeling? Back in the day, I set up a cluster of 386s (gasp!) for performance-testing mosix(before it got forked into openmosix) vs pvm. For most tasks that we tested, it was more efficient to use mosix and spawn worker processes as needed than to pvmify the software and run it that way, even if you discount the overhead of pvmifying the software and setting up the pvm master/slave relationships. I have no idea if any of this is relevant ;-) -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 13:01:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NI1jd5005370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1NI1jG0005369 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NI1jKH005365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NI1juU018927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:45 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NI1FHx031412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:15 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NI1Ds2005540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:15 -0500 Message-ID: <43FDF868.1060101@nks.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:01:12 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] High performance Linux clustering References: <20060223095900.30pev697ma3kg44g@webmail.heavysystems.com> <1a3a3e310602230808jc9bee73mc006856a5e3ad0ea@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602230808jc9bee73mc006856a5e3ad0ea@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090901020604040208050205" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.751, required 6, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090901020604040208050205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Levi Bard wrote: > On 2/23/06, Richard Morgan wrote: > >> Does anyone have any experience setting up a Linux cluster to be used for number >> crunching, biomedical research, simulations, modeling? >> > > Back in the day, I set up a cluster of 386s (gasp!) for > performance-testing mosix(before it got forked into openmosix) vs pvm. > For most tasks that we tested, it was more efficient to use mosix and > spawn worker processes as needed than to pvmify the software and run > it that way, even if you discount the overhead of pvmifying the > software and setting up the pvm master/slave relationships. > > I have no idea if any of this is relevant ;-) > It all depends on the application and how you want to scale it. The last time I used mosix it didn't support Distributed Shared Memory and applications written with shared memory in mind wouldn't migrate. This killed a simulation tool called "gamma" that the researchers wanted to use. It was a few years ago though, and I believe they've added DSM since then... Today there are GRID management toolsets for managing large clusters of computing resources. One of the better known ones is IBM's Globus Toolkit, used by things like Oracle RAC. If you're looking for a management infrastructure for Linux boxen that is pre-canned, take a look at Linux Rocks clusters: http://rocks.npaci.edu Another cluster management infrastructure that appeared at LISA was Warewulf: http://www.warewulf-cluster.org O'Reilly has a good book on this stuff "High Performance Linux Clustering": http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/highperlinuxc/ I've built a number of Linux clusters over the years. Everything from MOSIX to PVM and MPI to RedHat Cluster Mananger and Xen with CLVM. Lately I've been playing a lot with GRID computing and the Globus Toolkit in particular. Each cluster solved a specific problem. Sadly, there is no catch-all. -- - Ian C. Blenke --------------090901020604040208050205 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="icblenke.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="icblenke.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian Blenke n:Blenke;Ian org:Networked Knowledge Systems;Ops adr:;;;Tampa;FL;;US email;internet:icblenke@nks.net title:Sr. Systems Engineer tel;work:(813)594-0054 tel;cell:(813)755-8952 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.nks.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard --------------090901020604040208050205-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 14:35:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NJZn2a006063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:35:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1NJZnNn006062 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:35:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NJZmbf006058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:35:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NJZ43l023871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:35:44 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NDsQNn015381 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:54:26 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so47928wra for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:54:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rP+95LOn03i0Z4ocE0ipII7Q1AXHk3o2O40Gp4fJlJAnvhNPYU7+aCnLMkNA4Bx2taO/an9KNAxLbieus41MDfxDd06cSE5ZySnbeLLLYA8e92sq3LBa8lukkDoEkdKEx1fnLYkisfOtQagYtSYk/WfzCDBMC60NASHQXxg1970= Received: by 10.54.153.14 with SMTP id a14mr255871wre; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:54:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.20 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 05:54:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602230554k591f2fa4jc42517ed7f73a518@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:54:29 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this In-Reply-To: <703ba7320602221943y65bbe2c4se755d49e8cc9ca56@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> <43FD260D.5090307@quillandmouse.com> <703ba7320602221943y65bbe2c4se755d49e8cc9ca56@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1NJZnbe006059 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/22/06, Robert Waldo wrote: > Afte playing with it for an hour, I found the best thing was to run it from > the "run command" in the Fedora or KDE menu. You're right about the > stalling (not returning to a prompt) until I close the application. I > appreciate all the help. Looking forward to attending my first meeting in > Dunedin this weekend. Also there's `nvu &` to run it in the background. You'll still see the error messages, but you won't tie up your terminal. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 17:51:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NMpVr2007609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:51:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1NMpVNg007608 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:51:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NMpVew007604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:51:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NMpUOG003929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:51:30 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1NMpEDm007979; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:51:14 -0500 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id k1NMpC9G013770; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:51:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <019a01c638cb$a694e450$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Bob Foxworth" To: Cc: Subject: [SLUG] Fw: Java User Group reminder Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:51:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.649, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "PatMorris" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 22:11 Subject: Java User Group reminder > The Tampa Java User Group will hold its next meeting a week from today > on Tuesday, February 28, 2006. Here are the details: > > >>>> Apache iBatis: Data Persistence Made Easy <<<< > iBatis is a top-leve Apache project that is described as a "Data > Mapper framework, which makes it easy to create database persistence > for both Java and .Net." iBatis provides a simpler approach to > persistence where the developer a simple XML file to map the data > objects and provides the SQL text (or stored procedures). > > "iBatis in Action" book author, Larry Meadors, will show us the beauty > and simplicity of iBatis and why you should consider for your next > project. This presentation will include plenty of examples demo code > to get you started with iBatis. > > Tue Feb 28, 2006 at 6:30 pm > GCA Technologies Solution > 4919 Memorial Hwy. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 23:03:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O43Kcr010038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:03:20 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1O43KQM010037 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:03:20 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O43Jk8010033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:03:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O43JYa019117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:03:19 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O43Aq8022653 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:03:10 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i5so527745wra for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:03:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZYkpAYiYp3MRr8jQzPhjNT9d3fLCFspA5ftyyYHxJ9KKYw9/4nz8bVoZBcq+w9SNPU0D+/mdPXrgNk4QZppxX7T/KVRyoSQ2DGjp1I2BQwXBav2jVJX1AEm3Mz6tcORrFsXMSsxsAEGGKJ07AEUF6cuKAemU4xdrtpBoBegmAxc= Received: by 10.65.126.5 with SMTP id d5mr898913qbn; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.239.14 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:03:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <61575c810602232003j5d1039c5rba83a1eee51e9037@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:03:09 -0500 From: "Matt Florell" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade In-Reply-To: <620c90570602230410n44a35328h12de6b5f77fd606@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> <43FD0AE3.9020803@gmail.com> <620c90570602230410n44a35328h12de6b5f77fd606@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.602, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.86, BAYES_20 -0.74) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1O43Kk7010034 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > The following is from the Tampa Bay Bright House site: > > > > "Residential customers of Road Runner High Speed Online and customers > > using other ISPs provided by Bright House Networks – including > > EarthLink High Speed Internet, Internet Junction and AOL for Broadband > > – will enjoy a maximum download speed of 7 megabits per second (mbps). > > The maximum upload speed, the rate at which e-mail and digital files > > can be sent, is 512 kilobits per second (kbps). Those speeds are > > increasing from maximum downloads of 5 mbps and uploads of 384 kbps." > > > > If you have one of their combo packages, you have the option ot > > upgrading to either 10 or 15 Mbps for a small additional charge > > (something like $10 more per month). > > > > I have the SOHO service with the fixed IP, I wonder if we get any new perks? > Our business upgrade seems to be more outages and higher latency. Everything was fine for the first 2 years of the service at our 4 locations, but the last 6 months have been horrible. I've been through 3 Cable modems and had a half dozen RR Engineers out to our offices and nothing fixes it. We're dumping RR for RSair in March, the overnight outages are causing massive problems with our off-site nightly backups, not to mention our office-to-office VOIP phone calls. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Feb 23 23:53:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O4rD50010365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:53:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1O4rDs3010364 for slug-track29; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:53:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O4rDAv010360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:53:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O4rC0J021192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:53:13 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O4qxte021218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:52:59 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1O4qwZi012810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43FE9128.8000701@nks.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:52:56 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Brighthouse speed upgrade References: <20060222135038.a3ezazzzij4sscs8@webmail.heavysystems.com> <43FD098D.9020505@gmail.com> <43FD0AE3.9020803@gmail.com> <620c90570602230410n44a35328h12de6b5f77fd606@mail.gmail.com> <61575c810602232003j5d1039c5rba83a1eee51e9037@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <61575c810602232003j5d1039c5rba83a1eee51e9037@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040609070402070807070103" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.551, required 6, AWL 0.85, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040609070402070807070103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Florell wrote: > Our business upgrade seems to be more outages and higher latency. > You're not alone. We're experiencing much the same. Latency is getting horrible, and the backbone outages are outrageous. > Everything was fine for the first 2 years of the service at our 4 > locations, but the last 6 months have been horrible. I've been through > 3 Cable modems and had a half dozen RR Engineers out to our offices > and nothing fixes it. > The last 6 months have been horrible alright. We have many cablemodems at numerous sites, it's not a cablemodem issue, it's a backbone problem. > We're dumping RR for RSair in March, the overnight outages are causing > massive problems with our off-site nightly backups, not to mention our > office-to-office VOIP phone calls. > We use the cablemodems now largely for bulk high-latency traffic (mostly web surfing, etc). For inter-office links we've had to fall back on point to point T1s to carry our interactive traffic. Otherwise, we could never manage our remote farms with the damn high-latency high-loss crap from BrightHouse. At home, I do indeed seem to have 7M down and 512k up on a commercial Xyxel Prestige 900 "virtual office" cablemodem. I can easily saturate the downlink from any of our datacenters. Working from home is spotty at best, as the backbone peerings seem to bounce like rubber balls during the day for no apparent reason. High packet loss, high latency traffic... gah! Wake up BrightHouse! Fix your peerings. I for one can't wait for Verizon FIOS. -- - Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 10:08:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OF8iQb014942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:08:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OF8iqW014941 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:08:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OF8i9E014937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:08:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OF8hQm000928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:08:43 -0500 Received: from web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.20]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1OF8UL1031076 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:08:31 -0500 Received: (qmail 459 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2006 15:08:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1FLhZWzUqYk67S8LixeCky6R6nyjPUIv2eSug0EQEeE2Q/SZlNRIC5TMYp1PSRT5mW6bVQZ3fePAYVyFAwbkO2wTL58Wg/tntKeRZb+/8U3UagQtMgaB8LGYYd85LK0f9BuQw9azxYg0pyDqetoANMfXoCj+2412IeC9GkJrwA4= ; Message-ID: <20060224150830.457.qmail@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.101.37.219] by web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:08:30 PST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:08:30 -0800 (PST) From: karthik mahadevan To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20060221155405.83706.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.572, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FS_OBFU_Q1 1.03, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS 1.00) Subject: [SLUG] QMAIL PROBLEM Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i configured qmail last night till i can't able to login into the mail box pop is not responding. smtp is working fine. login session not working in qmailadmin & squiremail. how can i recover my mail box and how to add user and changing password in the database. give me the suggestions please urs karthik __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 10:34:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OFYweX015153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:34:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OFYwDZ015152 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:34:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OFYwxp015148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:34:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OFYvhx002358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:34:58 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OFYjPJ017119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:34:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 5565 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 10:34:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 10:34:26 -0500 Received: from 208.205.82.65 ([208.205.82.65]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:34:26 -0500 Message-ID: <20060224103426.nkc4xrnfv02sgc44@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:34:26 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] QMAIL PROBLEM References: <20060224150830.457.qmail@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060224150830.457.qmail@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.813, required 6, AWL -0.24, BAYES_00 -2.60, FS_OBFU_Q1 1.03) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net How did you configure it, by hand? What distro are you using? Are you behind a firewall or is your ISP blocking those ports? Sincerely, Richard Morgan Heavy Systems Administrator http://www.heavysystems.com Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. Quoting karthik mahadevan : > > > i configured qmail last night till i can't able to > login into the mail box > pop is not responding. smtp is working fine. login > session not working in qmailadmin & squiremail. how > can i recover my mail box and how to add user and > changing password in the database. > > give me the suggestions please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > urs > karthik > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 11:37:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGb7fx015603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:37:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OGb785015602 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:37:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGb62c015598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:37:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGb617005901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:37:06 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGanEo001534 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:36:50 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so322884wra for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:36:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hNCjBRX5Z2m8x4WHDuGA/vHpK4fht6LKxrts1Twn3TBpuWlDwdUzPhP3I/1PIfDhyMLziFUEsKytyc+fhVRk67/9a1TF4cAaWJNMKCj9EAe8sjrH35AXGMURWoExXg8fdstmuKzb4hgler9ozWGnc38EBD7hbHWh3OFCeyUu4Fs= Received: by 10.54.112.1 with SMTP id k1mr1675825wrc; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.102.10 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:36:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602240836i12800fe8l59285a789140e99d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:36:49 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] QMAIL PROBLEM In-Reply-To: <20060224103426.nkc4xrnfv02sgc44@webmail.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060224150830.457.qmail@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20060224103426.nkc4xrnfv02sgc44@webmail.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.084, required 6, AWL -0.52, BAYES_00 -2.60, FS_OBFU_Q1 1.03) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1OGb62b015599 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > i configured qmail last night till i can't able to > > login into the mail box > > pop is not responding. smtp is working fine. login > > session not working in qmailadmin & squiremail. how > > can i recover my mail box and how to add user and > > changing password in the database. Did you set up pop and/or imap, or just smtp? -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 11:46:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGkSRT015671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:46:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OGkSVO015670 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:46:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGkRxD015666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:46:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGkREq006459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:46:27 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OGkFMt008496 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:46:15 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OGkE9i016921 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:46:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:46:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OHWRRc016026 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OHWQjT016022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OHWQnh009619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:26 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OHW3t8010540 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:03 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OHWIVP028015 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:32:18 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: My /home needs smaller inodes: > > eben@pc:~$ df -i /dev/hda1 > Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 0 0 0 - /home > eben@pc:~$ df /dev/hda1 > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > /dev/hda1 2008024 1821756 186268 91% /home OK, apparently inodes aren't reported correctly on reiserfs. I have another reiserfs partition, and it shows the same thing. What can I use to get an accurate view? Or is there no solution, so the only way is to reformat to ext3 or whatever? Or does the concept of "inode" not apply to reiserfs? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 13:10:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIALhW016293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:10:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OIAL8k016292 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:10:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIAJiA016288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:10:20 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIAJ1L011535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:10:19 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OI9kfx014179 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:09:47 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OIA2bm002674 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:10:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:10:02 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Eben King wrote: > >> My /home needs smaller inodes: >> >> eben@pc:~$ df -i /dev/hda1 >> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on >> /dev/hda1 0 0 0 - /home >> eben@pc:~$ df /dev/hda1 >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hda1 2008024 1821756 186268 91% /home > > OK, apparently inodes aren't reported correctly on reiserfs. I have another > reiserfs partition, and it shows the same thing. What can I use to get an > accurate view? Or is there no solution, so the only way is to reformat to > ext3 or whatever? > > Or does the concept of "inode" not apply to reiserfs? I read http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html and on the basis of that and Ted Ts'o's reputation, reformatted /home ext3. eben@pc:~$ df -i /dev/hda1 Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on /dev/hda1 251392 8571 242821 4% /home eben@pc:~$ df /dev/hda1 Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 1976492 1842192 33896 99% /home I _don't_ need smaller inodes (allocation blocks?); if anything, I could probably save space with bigger ones. And ext3 is less efficient, space-wise, than is reiserfs. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 13:17:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIHcTH016396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:17:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OIHcRV016395 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:17:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIHbwQ016391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:17:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIHbc4012066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:17:37 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.201]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIGt6k029670 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:16:55 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so266356wxc for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:16:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MYdeY6AyIOff3/LBt77gVrSQVBJfS1lK/CwEq9mWX6Or9jKhPB+4nbLDP31Pxzg2Oeg2tKQcg58HLlcb9Rtf17yh59ZUqNqcpprwojBYVAj6g8xe9WW3undilpn/NhkGmgKflhsTmwXwU4QUHT4lRLRdTdmpGyOqRn//GVRNU9w= Received: by 10.70.89.7 with SMTP id m7mr7043037wxb; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.90.9 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:16:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <125d27dd0602241016p469f0df5h5920134cbb4248f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:16:50 -0500 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.816, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.71, BAYES_05 -1.11) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1OIHbwP016392 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Or does the concept of "inode" not apply to reiserfs? The general concept of "inode" certainly applies to reiserfs; the difference is ext2/3 inodes are limited in number and in fixed locations on the filesystem depending on the options you provide. When you are out of inodes, you can't create any new files even if there is still pleny of room for data on the filesystem. Reiser, on the other hand, places its formatted blocks in a tree structure, and consequently the number of inodes is not limited in the same way as ext2/3. ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 13:25:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIPGRe016462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:25:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OIPGK7016461 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:25:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIPFQK016457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:25:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIPFow012435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:25:15 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OIOvrN018484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:24:58 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1OI2Cnm030380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:20:34 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FChKp-0006M1-FP for slug@nks.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:06:31 -0500 Received: from 24.73.78.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:06:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <48412.24.73.78.146.1140804391.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:06:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:20:35 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.192, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.38, BAYES_40 -0.18) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King said: > On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Eben King wrote: > >> My /home needs smaller inodes: >> >> eben@pc:~$ df -i /dev/hda1 >> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on >> /dev/hda1 0 0 0 - /home >> eben@pc:~$ df /dev/hda1 >> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on >> /dev/hda1 2008024 1821756 186268 91% /home > > OK, apparently inodes aren't reported correctly on reiserfs. I have another > reiserfs partition, and it shows the same thing. What can I use to get an > accurate view? Or is there no solution, so the only way is to reformat to > ext3 or whatever? > > Or does the concept of "inode" not apply to reiserfs? My understanding is ReiserFS, XFS, and JFS allocate i-nodes on-the-fly. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 15:26:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OKQdCe017345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:26:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OKQd1t017344 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:26:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OKQXme017340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:26:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OKQXmj018316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:26:33 -0500 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OKQ9TP029376 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:26:18 -0500 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536A8F3861 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:26:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] does anyone know how to fix this From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <703ba7320602221708i2cc328edlb5dbd026daf4bf18@mail.gmail.com> <703ba7320602221739r40d75df6g8410d487b988e392@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:26:09 -0500 Message-Id: <1140812769.22565.27.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.539, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.06, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 21:06 -0500, Eben King wrote: > while you're running as you, it can only delete your files. That and root > can't write to Joe User's $DISPLAY. > The latest SuSE has changed the X behavior for this I believe. YaST usually runs kdesu where you have to supply a root password. Until recently if you su'd in a shell and typed YaST2 it wouldn't run from the shell because of connecting to the display. However, it works now so whatever X flags or security that was set is now different. Generally speaking though, Eben's right. Run non chrooted apps as root = not so good idea in most circumstances. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 16:38:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OLcBix017835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:38:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OLcBHO017834 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:38:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OLcB1u017830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:38:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OLcA6V021463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:38:10 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OLbs9Q014801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:37:55 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1OLXRnm011042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:33:32 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FCkdG-00026L-8N for slug@nks.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:37:46 -0500 Received: from 24.73.78.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:37:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <57091.24.73.78.146.1140817066.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:37:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.276, required 6, AWL -0.28, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King said: > I read http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html and on the basis > of that and Ted Ts'o's reputation, reformatted /home ext3. Keep in mind with the default journaling mode for ext3, only your metadata is journaled. Data writes aren't journaled. Also: http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc > I _don't_ need smaller inodes (allocation blocks?); if anything, I could > probably save space with bigger ones. And ext3 is less efficient, > space-wise, than is reiserfs. If you enable tail packing and have many small files, yes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 17:11:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMBIqh018083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:11:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OMBIau018082 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:11:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMBIGq018078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:11:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMBHVZ022979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:11:17 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMB4Rf017972 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:11:04 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1OMB31W018265 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:11:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs In-Reply-To: <57091.24.73.78.146.1140817066.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Message-ID: References: <57091.24.73.78.146.1140817066.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King said: > >> I read http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html and on the basis >> of that and Ted Ts'o's reputation, reformatted /home ext3. > > Keep in mind with the default journaling mode for ext3, only your metadata > is journaled. Data writes aren't journaled. Probably fine. I have a big honkin' UPS as well as a complete backup that's no more than a day old at any time. > Also: > > http://zork.net/~nick/mail/why-reiserfs-is-teh-sukc > > >> I _don't_ need smaller inodes (allocation blocks?); if anything, I could >> probably save space with bigger ones. And ext3 is less efficient, >> space-wise, than is reiserfs. > > If you enable tail packing and have many small files, yes. size(file) = 0 : 127 0 < size(file) <= 1k: 1817 <-- 1k < size(file) <= 2k: 976 2k < size(file) <= 4k: 930 4k < size(file) <= 8k: 1551 <-- 8k < size(file) <= 16k: 562 16k < size(file) <= 32k: 643 32k < size(file) <= 64k: 680 64k < size(file) <= 128k: 415 128k < size(file) <= 256k: 293 256k < size(file) <= 512k: 226 512k < size(file) <= 1M: 126 size(file) > 1M: 213 What's tail packing? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Feb 24 17:37:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMbq85018290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1OMbq6l018289 for slug-track29; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMbpIO018285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMbmUm024311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:49 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1OMbd0n020335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:39 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1OMXHnm014710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:33:19 -0800 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FClZA-0003IG-Jl for slug@nks.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:36 -0500 Received: from 24.73.78.146 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <59138.24.73.78.146.1140820656.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: <57091.24.73.78.146.1140817066.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:37:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] inodes on reiserfs From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Fri, 24 Feb 2006 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.312, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.13, BAYES_40 -0.18) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King said: > size(file) = 0 : 127 > 0 < size(file) <= 1k: 1817 <-- > 1k < size(file) <= 2k: 976 > 2k < size(file) <= 4k: 930 > 4k < size(file) <= 8k: 1551 <-- > 8k < size(file) <= 16k: 562 > 16k < size(file) <= 32k: 643 > 32k < size(file) <= 64k: 680 > 64k < size(file) <= 128k: 415 > 128k < size(file) <= 256k: 293 > 256k < size(file) <= 512k: 226 > 512k < size(file) <= 1M: 126 > size(file) > 1M: 213 > > What's tail packing? >From mount(8): notail By default, reiserfs stores small files and `file tails' directly into its tree. This confuses some utilities such as LILO(8). This option is used to disable packing of files into the tree. I heard third hand rumors about that once and I always mounted notail when using ReiserFS. I finally completed my migration away from ReiserFS recently. While I haven't had any recent problems, fsck tools that segfault still make me nervous, and doubly so given my recent score of disk failures. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 00:56:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P5u1jv021525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:56:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1P5u1Cn021524 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:56:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P5u1dS021516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:56:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P5u0A6017268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:56:00 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P5titg003351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:55:45 -0500 Received: (qmail 22233 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2006 23:54:04 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2006 23:54:04 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E0356C20 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:56:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:56:10 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Apache and multiple sites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.305, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Scenario: You've got a machine on your internal network which runs apache and serves up various internal websites. Currently, they are like: http://pokey/something.com http://pokey/another.com http://pokey/yetanother.mars.lan It would be nice to serve these up with their own internal non-routable IPs, like 192.168.10.2, 192.168.10.3, etc., and with their own addresses, like www.something.com, another.com, yetanother.mars.lan. This server wouldn't be visible from the internet, but only from the lan. On the subject of apache, I know that apache can serve up multiple sites on the same IP address. But can it serve up a multitude of sites on a single box, each of which has its own IP (assuming the box has a single NIC)? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 02:53:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P7rci9022392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1P7rc82022391 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P7rcs3022387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P7rbxc025528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:38 -0500 Received: from faceman.dreamhost.com (faceman.dreamhost.com [205.196.210.16]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P7rRfo015299 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:27 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by faceman.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CAC16207D for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 23:53:26 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache and multiple sites Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:53:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602250253.20364.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.109, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.35, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 25 February 2006 00:56, Paul M Foster wrote: > Scenario: > > You've got a machine on your internal network which runs apache and > serves up various internal websites. Currently, they are like: > > http://pokey/something.com > http://pokey/another.com > http://pokey/yetanother.mars.lan > > It would be nice to serve these up with their own internal non-routable > IPs, like 192.168.10.2, 192.168.10.3, etc., and with their own > addresses, like www.something.com, another.com, yetanother.mars.lan. > This server wouldn't be visible from the internet, but only from the lan. > > On the subject of apache, I know that apache can serve up multiple sites > on the same IP address. But can it serve up a multitude of sites on a > single box, each of which has its own IP (assuming the box has a single > NIC)? You can have multiple domains with their own IP on the same box. All you do is add IP's to the NIC. Ten years ago you were limited to 32 IP's on a NIC but today I'm sure you don't have that barrier. Apache does not care what it is you just have to tell it. What you do if you are adding more IP's to eth0 so you say eth0:1..eth0:n etc. Under KDE you have the Network Device Control, which let's you into the Network Configuration where you click on New. Choose the NIC and add a new IP. When it completes you can see the new connection. This could be handy if you have more than one subnet on you LAN. For example I got a cool VoIP/phone/IP tool, but it only worked on 192.168.0 which I don't use. But by doing the above I could access it without loosing my normal subnet connection. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 04:52:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P9qWXV023441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:52:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1P9qWdq023440 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:52:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P9qWhZ023436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:52:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P9qVwn004732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:52:32 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1P9qHQQ031270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:52:18 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1P9uSTI020247 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:56:28 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k1P9uSWS020246; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:56:28 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:56:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38314.192.168.8.28.1140861387.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> References: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:56:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache and multiple sites From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.044, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.56, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On the subject of apache, I know that apache can serve up multiple sites > on the same IP address. But can it serve up a multitude of sites on a > single box, each of which has its own IP (assuming the box has a single > NIC)? Yes, this works well and is called "IP Based Virtual Hosting". As Steve mentioned, you can alias the IPs to a NIC. However, setting up "Name Based Virtual Hosting" IMHO is simpler than configuring IP hosting. Is there a specific reason you want to use IP based hosting? -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 08:52:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PDq70G025225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:52:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PDq7Ht025224 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:52:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PDq796025220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:52:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PDq7Cw021288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:52:07 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PDpoi8007664 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:51:50 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Su7CvpcXQkk7Mt8s17le+H480S8gphWkTg7FRv36d/9a8Oh0aw8V3AQRMek20E9p; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FCzpu-0006lQ-BW for slug@nks.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:51:50 -0500 From: SOTL To: SLUG Linux Subject: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:51:55 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609d3803801aed0e3aa4d1e8f7047b3782f667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.856, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.74, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1PDq795025221 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All Slightly off topic help request. Messing around yesterday I found that one could download OpenSolarus from the following location. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ >From the number of disks and addins it looks to be a rather complete distribution. Unfortunately that is all I know about it. I did try yesterday to burn the ISOs to disk and found that they are BZ2s. I then referred to the old installation instructions and was unable to ascertain that the installation instructions are in a read-me file. All well and good but at the current time both of my computers are and will be for the rest of the morning locked up on other projects so I can not play with these ISOs. All I can do is write this posting. Does anyone know how to turn them into standard ISO or is that what I want to install them. Concern is that if I unzip them that the ISOs will then be larger than what a CD can hold. I did not download the DVD version as I do not have a DVD burner but with each ISO in the 670Kbite range one wanders that if one unzips that then the ISO will be much larger than what is able to fit on a disk. Thanks SOTL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 09:11:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PEB2Ol025392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:11:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PEB2ko025391 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:11:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PEB1nD025387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PEB1xW022422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:11:01 -0500 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PEAnJC026191 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:50 -0500 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8E73959C for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:11:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4400656A.60109@mathey.org> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:10:50 -0500 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache and multiple sites References: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.532, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Scenario: > > You've got a machine on your internal network which runs apache and > serves up various internal websites. Currently, they are like: > > http://pokey/something.com > http://pokey/another.com > http://pokey/yetanother.mars.lan > > It would be nice to serve these up with their own internal non-routable > IPs, like 192.168.10.2, 192.168.10.3, etc., and with their own > addresses, like www.something.com, another.com, yetanother.mars.lan. > This server wouldn't be visible from the internet, but only from the lan. > > On the subject of apache, I know that apache can serve up multiple sites > on the same IP address. But can it serve up a multitude of sites on a > single box, each of which has its own IP (assuming the box has a single > NIC)? > If you wanted to make is visible from the internet all you would need is an IP address for each and staticaly NAT each. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 09:38:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PEcZrC025613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:38:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PEcZm8025612 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:38:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PEcYqs025608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:38:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PEcYAW024045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:38:34 -0500 Received: from web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.28]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1PEcDiN024542 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:38:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 84837 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2006 14:38:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z5XN7HO1gs6lbyZBNL8d8yLX//y5/N1V4isy+h+jepZJVw1Nyu+BgNS+ZtOu1+/5v7yLjsDabafFUVDkveYecDBS0ZArdAryWzpcbsaTfROTrKaqfULn1hNR0bwPCz2x3j+eYtWFL9IKiOW6osOO0EbjcwO+RZkTiJdn7z1/XMM= ; Message-ID: <20060225143809.84835.qmail@web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.247.244.246] by web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:38:09 PST Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: karthik mahadevan Subject: Re: [SLUG] QMAIL PROBLEM To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602240836i12800fe8l59285a789140e99d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.492, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FS_OBFU_Q1 1.03, TW_VQ 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i started all services belongs to qmail and i have added passwd to amail admin using command htpasswd and i place the passwd file into vqadmin folder in /var/www/cgi-bin/ user name admin passwd redhat when i enter these passwd it's shows invalid www.#######.com/cgi-bin/vqadmin tis is path to admin login ok i am behind the firewall my server name gateway (enter prises linux 4) gateway receiving internet. i was built firewall very strongly using SNAT and more than 20 computer's receiving internet from the gateway. we are having our own DNS server pop up started nmap gateway Starting nmap 3.70 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-02-25 20:07 IST Interesting ports on gateway.______.com (___________): (The 1640 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed) PORT STATE SERVICE 7/tcp open echo 21/tcp open ftp 22/tcp open ssh 23/tcp open telnet 25/tcp open smtp 53/tcp open domain 80/tcp open http 106/tcp open pop3pw 110/tcp open pop3 111/tcp open rpcbind 139/tcp open netbios-ssn 443/tcp open https 445/tcp open microsoft-ds 513/tcp open login 514/tcp open shell 543/tcp open klogin 721/tcp open unknown 737/tcp open unknown 2049/tcp open nfs 32770/tcp open sometimes-rpc3 Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.353 seconds ***** qmailctl stat /service/qmail-send: up (pid 3327) 6739 seconds /service/qmail-send/log: up (pid 3328) 6739 seconds /service/qmail-smtpd: up (pid 3329) 6739 seconds /service/qmail-smtpd/log: up (pid 3326) 6739 seconds /service/qmail-pop3d: up (pid 3333) 6739 seconds /service/qmail-pop3d/log: up (pid 3334) 6739 seconds messages in queue: 1 messages in queue but not yet preprocessed what can i do for this problem? outgoing mail is going using mail command but when type the server name in thunder bird, it's showing error..... --- Levi Bard wrote: > > > i configured qmail last night till i can't able > to > > > login into the mail box > > > pop is not responding. smtp is working fine. > login > > > session not working in qmailadmin & squiremail. > how > > > can i recover my mail box and how to add user > and > > > changing password in the database. > > Did you set up pop and/or imap, or just smtp? > > -- > Debianista! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 13:58:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PIwOpk027470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PIwOYD027469 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PIwOJ3027465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PIwNwc006229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:23 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PIwDJI007059 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:13 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VYHiCdYniJPPjq0AEsy491h2ljn75iyZZI8SpdP5/DDgJvb1aGAnvTqghLi+uA/F; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FD4cO-0003IA-5O for slug@nks.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:12 -0500 From: SOTL To: SLUG Linux Subject: [SLUG] OpenSuSE Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:58:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602251358.18939.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26097c1896dc5c9fe17cb972b037be873f8f2601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.33, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.33) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All A week or so back there was a posting about OpenSuSE 10.1 Beta 4. Beta 5 is now up on the OpenSuSE server. Downloaded this morning. Installed. Installation is a little rough and not at all like previous versions of SuSE. First issue here was lost mouse support after reboot part of installation. No big deal but that did prevent me from making certain configuration setting I would like to have made. Again no big deal one can do that after first boot. Other than that installation went great. SOTL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 16:09:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PL9RrH028436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:09:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PL9RQg028435 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:09:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PL9QtF028431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:09:26 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PL9QE9013206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:09:26 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PL93VE019425 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:09:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060225210901.SNIA5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:09:01 -0500 Message-ID: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:12:19 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] kernel version? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.5, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.84, BAYES_20 -0.74, TW_XX 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I recently aquired four Nexxtech optical scroll mice for cheap. They work really well with Windoze and Kernel 2.4, but they won't work under Kernel 2.6 as they are ExplorerPS2 mice instead of the standard PS2. I have been running Kernel 2.6 because it is the more current version, but is there any real advantage to 2.6 over 2.4? I know that some people have made ths kind of thing work on 2.6, but if there isn't a good reason to use it, I don't see the point of the effort. Thoughts? -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 16:48:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PLmfvt028715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:48:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PLmfMM028714 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:48:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PLmf6P028710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:48:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PLmeVr015174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:48:40 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PLmRBg002030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:48:28 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1PLcvnm028411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:44:03 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FD7C9-0006My-4k for slug@nks.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:43:17 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:43:16 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602251643.16800.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:44:04 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.366, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.70, BAYES_20 -0.74, TW_XX 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 25 February 2006 17:12, michael hast wrote: > I recently aquired four Nexxtech optical scroll mice for cheap. > They work really well with Windoze and Kernel 2.4, but they won't work > under Kernel 2.6 as they are ExplorerPS2 mice instead of the standard > PS2. I have been running Kernel 2.6 because it is the more current > version, but is there any real advantage to 2.6 over 2.4? I know that > some people have made ths kind of thing work on 2.6, but if there isn't > a good reason to use it, I don't see the point of the effort. Thoughts? When you say they don't, can you elaborate? With what application do they not work that they did prior to using a 2.6 series kernel? Under 2.6 I had to ensure I was loading the 'psmouse' module for PS2 mice to work at all. Under 2.4 the module name was something else, tripping me up. If you're using a distribution kernel that probably doesn't apply. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 17:24:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMOMYY029048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:24:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PMOM5k029047 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:24:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMOLUX029043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:24:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMOLLI017751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:24:21 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMO4LX008358 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:24:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.2.141] (245-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.245]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PMO2eu017481 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:24:03 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:31:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602251731.14411.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.763, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.84, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 25 February 2006 08:51, SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > Slightly off topic help request. > > Messing around yesterday I found that one could download OpenSolarus from > the following location. > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ > > From the number of disks and addins it looks to be a rather complete > distribution. Unfortunately that is all I know about it. I did try > yesterday to burn the ISOs to disk and found that they are BZ2s. I then > referred to the old installation instructions and was unable to ascertain > that the installation instructions are in a read-me file. > > All well and good but at the current time both of my computers are and will > be for the rest of the morning locked up on other projects so I can not > play with these ISOs. All I can do is write this posting. > > Does anyone know how to turn them into standard ISO or is that what I want > to install them. Concern is that if I unzip them that the ISOs will then be > larger than what a CD can hold. I did not download the DVD version as I do > not have a DVD burner but with each ISO in the 670Kbite range one wanders > that if one unzips that then the ISO will be much larger than what is able > to fit on a disk. > > Thanks > SOTL > It seems you have to start with the DVD Solaris community version and use it with the GCC compiler to build your system from source code. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 17:36:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMaXc4029113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:36:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PMaX3I029112 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:36:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMaWFQ029108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:36:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMaWG1018520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:36:32 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMaMrJ009467 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:36:22 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060225223621.XYHU17668.centrmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: <4400EAB9.70905@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:39:37 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602251643.16800.jasonb@edseek.com> In-Reply-To: <200602251643.16800.jasonb@edseek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.972, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.63, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >When you say they don't, can you elaborate? With what application do they not >work that they did prior to using a 2.6 series kernel? > X > Under 2.6 I had to >ensure I was loading the 'psmouse' module for PS2 mice to work at all. Under >2.4 the module name was something else, tripping me up. If you're using a >distribution kernel that probably doesn't apply. > > > Every other PS2 mouse that I have ever used has been a no-brainer to get going. From what I have read on Google, mouse functions are driver modules in 2.4, but in 2.6, mouse functions are embedded in the Kernel. Apparently, with certian pointing devices (i. e. some touchscreens and this particular mouse) this has been a problem with 2.6 that some have overcome with disabling that part of the kernel and porting in the modules from 2.4. I don't know how to do that and am trying to determine if I want to bother learning that right now. I may just cut my losses and give up on these mice. They were cheap enough that it wouldn't be that much of a loss. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 17:51:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMp1Rb029207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:51:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PMp1pV029206 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:51:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMp0Rj029202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:51:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMox4i019166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:51:00 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PMoloU011318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:50:48 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1PMkPnm032482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:46:26 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FD8FQ-0007lQ-GP for slug@nks.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:50:44 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:50:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602251643.16800.jasonb@edseek.com> <4400EAB9.70905@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4400EAB9.70905@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602251750.44266.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:46:27 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.406, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 25 February 2006 18:39, michael hast wrote: > Every other PS2 mouse that I have ever used has been a no-brainer to get > going. From what I have read on Google, mouse functions are driver > modules in 2.4, but in 2.6, mouse functions are embedded in the Kernel. > Apparently, with certian pointing devices (i. e. some touchscreens and > this particular mouse) this has been a problem with 2.6 that some have > overcome with disabling that part of the kernel and porting in the > modules from 2.4. I don't know how to do that and am trying to > determine if I want to bother learning that right now. I may just cut > my losses and give up on these mice. They were cheap enough that it > wouldn't be that much of a loss. So the device just flat out doesn't work under 2.6 in any mode of operation, be it X Window, gpm, or what have you? It just doesn't work? -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 18:19:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNJPq6029472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:19:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PNJPJD029471 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:19:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNJOMO029467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:19:24 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNJO3W020651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:19:24 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNJ7T9031591 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:19:07 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.210.235]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IV900EYYNFQZAH5@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 17:19:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:18:52 -0500 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus In-reply-to: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.025, required 6, AWL -0.02, BAYES_05 -1.11, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SOTL wrote: > Hi All > > Slightly off topic help request. > > Messing around yesterday I found that one could download OpenSolarus from the > following location. > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ > > >From the number of disks and addins it looks to be a rather complete > distribution. Unfortunately that is all I know about it. I did try yesterday > to burn the ISOs to disk and found that they are BZ2s. I then referred to the > old installation instructions and was unable to ascertain that the > installation instructions are in a read-me file. > > All well and good but at the current time both of my computers are and will be > for the rest of the morning locked up on other projects so I can not play > with these ISOs. All I can do is write this posting. > > Does anyone know how to turn them into standard ISO or is that what I want to > install them. Concern is that if I unzip them that the ISOs will then be > larger than what a CD can hold. I did not download the DVD version as I do > not have a DVD burner but with each ISO in the 670Kbite range one wanders > that if one unzips that then the ISO will be much larger than what is able to > fit on a disk. > > Thanks > SOTL > How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 18:23:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNNuh0029520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1PNNupm029519 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNNuKI029515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNNue8020941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:56 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1PNNhhD011352 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:43 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1PNNgWe007993 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:23:43 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? In-Reply-To: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> X-GetARealMailreader: I recently aquired four Nexxtech optical scroll mice for cheap. They work > really well with Windoze and Kernel 2.4, but they won't work under Kernel 2.6 > as they are ExplorerPS2 mice instead of the standard PS2. I have been > running Kernel 2.6 because it is the more current version, but is there any > real advantage to 2.6 over 2.4? I know that some people have made ths kind > of thing work on 2.6, but if there isn't a good reason to use it, I don't see > the point of the effort. Thoughts? I have in my posession an optical trackball, which X thinks of as: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" Option "Buttons" "6" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 5" EndSection It works fine with kernel 2.6.15.1. Therefore it's not that ExplorerPS/2 mice don't work with 2.6, it's that those _particular_ ExplorerPS/2 mice don't work with 2.6 (and I suspect that it's the configuration of your software [1], not the kernel version, that's the issue). Have you tried some LiveCDs or rescue CDs? If it's a roll-your-own kernel, make sure you have all the necessary modules available. [1] and the X server is just another piece of (admittedly complex) software -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 19:44:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q0iTnv030072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:44:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1Q0iT7D030071 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:44:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q0iTlu030067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:44:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q0iSid025060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:44:29 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q0iCQm004346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:44:13 -0500 Received: (qmail 19490 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 18:42:31 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 18:42:31 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5704D56C20 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:44:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4400F9F7.9000006@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:44:39 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.269, required 6, AWL -0.34, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46, TW_XX 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > I recently aquired four Nexxtech optical scroll mice for cheap. They > work really well with Windoze and Kernel 2.4, but they won't work under > Kernel 2.6 as they are ExplorerPS2 mice instead of the standard PS2. I > have been running Kernel 2.6 because it is the more current version, but > is there any real advantage to 2.6 over 2.4? I know that some people > have made ths kind of thing work on 2.6, but if there isn't a good > reason to use it, I don't see the point of the effort. Thoughts? > I think Eben best answered the overall question, but I wanted to make a comment about the superiority of 2.6 over 2.4 kernels. The primary benefit you'll notice is speed. The memory subsystem was considerably reworked between the 2.4 and 2.6 series. That said, 2.4 kernels are more stable than 2.6 kernels overall, because the kernel development method was changed after 2.4. Not to say that 2.6 kernels are unstable. But Linus changed the way things were done, and it has resulted in more radical changes to the 2.6 kernels. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 21:24:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2OaK9030835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1Q2OaaU030834 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2OaD9030830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2OZjs030782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:36 -0500 Received: from aaa.dreamhost.com (aaa.dreamhost.com [64.111.107.16]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2OK9W013668 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:21 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by aaa.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF912028E for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:24:13 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <4400F9F7.9000006@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <4400F9F7.9000006@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602252124.13609.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.161, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.30, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 25 February 2006 19:44, Paul M Foster wrote: > michael hast wrote: > > is there any real advantage to 2.6 over 2.4? I know that some people > > have made ths kind of thing work on 2.6, but if there isn't a good > > reason to use it, I don't see the point of the effort. Thoughts? > > I think Eben best answered the overall question, but I wanted to make a > comment about the superiority of 2.6 over 2.4 kernels. The primary > benefit you'll notice is speed. The memory subsystem was considerably > reworked between the 2.4 and 2.6 series. That said, 2.4 kernels are more > stable than 2.6 kernels overall, because the kernel development method > was changed after 2.4. Not to say that 2.6 kernels are unstable. But > Linus changed the way things were done, and it has resulted in more > radical changes to the 2.6 kernels. Linus made changes which for the user meant your keyboard and mouse were more responsive even under heavy load. He greatly changed memory management from his originally flawed design by incorporating uClinux into the mainstream kernel. uClinux is Linux for microcontrollers project. The second big change was to support NUMA servers which makes Linux work well in a multiprocessor world, by running a lot more efficient over many CPU's. Linux started a new concept called subarchitecture which allows the separation of processor type and underlying hardware. This resulted in support for more platforms and a saner way of dealing with porting Linux to new systems. Supporting hyper threading is another big improvement. And a big change in threading which allows more stable threading with multiple CPU's. Preemtive processing is yet another. You can now interrupt the kernel mid-task, which makes all processes run a bit more evenly and give the user a faster overall experience. Support for more RAM and better scalability to newer and faster CPU's. Under 2.4 you could only have 255 major devices defined due to the limitation of /dev. With 2.6 it now supportss 4095 major device types. Linux I/O has had major improvements. Resulting in networking being even faster under 2.6. Faster disk I/O. By handling devices with the Unified Device Model it's internal understanding of hardware makes it run a lot more reliably. This also resulted in much better support for hardware, which is visible in the improved support on for example laptops since 2.6 was released. 2.6 was really a huge overhaul that changed the efficiency under which 2.6 operates with internal and external devices. The improved support for scaling to many CPU's gave us the improved user experience as things need to run "tighter" to not stumble on each other. The 2.6 is not any less stable, quite the opposit. 2.4 has been considered stable as it's old and proven. What Linus said early on was that even though 2.6 had only been out for a short while, and had not undergone the same amount of testing, it was already more stable than 2.4. In effect you could say that the changes made were something like improving a vehicle which was only reliable if you stayed with the block, to make it able to reliably run cross country. Which of course made it even better at running around the block. The 2.6 kernel got Linux up to be able to compete with the big boys. Linux had finally grown up. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 21:34:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2YYiI030893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1Q2YYGx030892 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2YXe2030888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2YXWW031267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:33 -0500 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2YIQa032666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:18 -0500 Received: from [172.17.224.100] (rrcs-67-78-14-226.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.14.226]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q2YH1P029225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:18 -0500 Message-ID: <440113A9.6040904@nks.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:17 -0500 From: Ian Blenke Organization: Networked Knowledge Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Macintosh/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apache and multiple sites References: <43FFF17A.2090809@quillandmouse.com> <38314.192.168.8.28.1140861387.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <38314.192.168.8.28.1140861387.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030809090507070400050405" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.459, required 6, AWL -0.06, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030809090507070400050405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kwan Lowe wrote: >> On the subject of apache, I know that apache can serve up multiple sites >> on the same IP address. But can it serve up a multitude of sites on a >> single box, each of which has its own IP (assuming the box has a single >> NIC)? >> > > Yes, this works well and is called "IP Based Virtual Hosting". As Steve mentioned, > you can alias the IPs to a NIC. However, setting up "Name Based Virtual Hosting" > IMHO is simpler than configuring IP hosting. Is there a specific reason you want to > use IP based hosting? > There are really only two good reasons for doing IP based virtual hosting: 1. You are servicing HTTP 1.0 clients that don't send the HTTP 1.1 Host: header. 2. You are servicing HTTPS clients (SSL, port 443). Each port bind has a different signed cert for SSL connections (each will need a different common name (CN) that the clients will trust). HTTP 1.0 clients are fairly rare anymore. The first vhost defined for a port binding will be used to service HTTP 1.0 clients that don't send a Host: header. It's generally better to throw up a default page to alert the user that they need to upgrade their client. The single biggest reason for IP based virtual hosting is for secure page hosting. -- - Ian C. Blenke --------------030809090507070400050405 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="icblenke.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="icblenke.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian Blenke n:Blenke;Ian org:Networked Knowledge Systems;Ops adr:;;;Tampa;FL;;US email;internet:icblenke@nks.net title:Sr. Systems Engineer tel;work:(813)594-0054 tel;cell:(813)755-8952 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.nks.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard --------------030809090507070400050405-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 23:18:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4IBCG031662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:18:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1Q4IBjN031661 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:18:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4IAfF031657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:18:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4IAST004420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:18:10 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4Hqtl027956 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:17:52 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060226041750.NOEE8318.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:17:50 -0500 Message-ID: <44013AC4.2050802@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:21:08 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602251643.16800.jasonb@edseek.com> <4400EAB9.70905@cox.net> <200602251750.44266.jasonb@edseek.com> In-Reply-To: <200602251750.44266.jasonb@edseek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.571, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jason Boxman wrote: >On Saturday 25 February 2006 18:39, michael hast wrote: > > > >>Every other PS2 mouse that I have ever used has been a no-brainer to get >>going. From what I have read on Google, mouse functions are driver >>modules in 2.4, but in 2.6, mouse functions are embedded in the Kernel. >>Apparently, with certian pointing devices (i. e. some touchscreens and >>this particular mouse) this has been a problem with 2.6 that some have >>overcome with disabling that part of the kernel and porting in the >>modules from 2.4. I don't know how to do that and am trying to >>determine if I want to bother learning that right now. I may just cut >>my losses and give up on these mice. They were cheap enough that it >>wouldn't be that much of a loss. >> >> > >So the device just flat out doesn't work under 2.6 in any mode of operation, >be it X Window, gpm, or what have you? It just doesn't work? > > > As far as I can tell. It wouldn't work for me in either GDM or KDM and from what I could tell on my Googling, it's not a unique problem and this particular mouse just doesn't do it. If I had even thought that it might be a possibility, I probably would not have bid on the Ebay auction. Maybe I'll give them to all my Windoze friends. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 23:28:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4Sw8c031738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:28:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1Q4SwPx031737 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:28:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4SveR031733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:28:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4Svaw004988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:28:57 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4SjET013286 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:28:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060226042843.YMGV5868.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <44013D51.1060209@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:32:01 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.345, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > I have in my posession an optical trackball, which X thinks of as: > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Configured Mouse" > Driver "mouse" > Option "CorePointer" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" > Option "Buttons" "6" > Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" > Option "ZAxisMapping" "6 5" > EndSection > > It works fine with kernel 2.6.15.1. Therefore it's not that > ExplorerPS/2 mice don't work with 2.6, it's that those _particular_ > ExplorerPS/2 mice don't work with 2.6 That may very well be. > (and I suspect that it's the configuration of your software [1], not > the kernel version, that's the issue). All I know is that I cannot coax 2.6 to play nice with them, and it is not an issue with M$ or 2.4. > > Have you tried some LiveCDs or rescue CDs? Yes. It works fine with Knoppix 3.7 (kernel 2.4) and freaks out any later version of Knoppix (kernel 2.6). > If it's a roll-your-own kernel, make sure you have all the necessary > modules available. I'm not far enough along in my Jedi training to try that one yet. It's just the standard kernel 2.6.8 or whatever. > > [1] and the X server is just another piece of (admittedly complex) > software > Point taken. I still don't know if I want to jack with them or just cut my losses on them. It is obviously an odd if not essoterric problem. Since a basic optical PS2 scroll mouse can be gotten for less than $10.00 if you catch a sale, I'm not very convinced that it is worth my time or energy to try to solve this one. It's kind of one of those picking-my-battles sort of deals, you know? -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Feb 25 23:39:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4dhiP031806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:39:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1Q4dhdi031805 for slug-track29; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:39:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4dh81031801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:39:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4dhga005504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:39:43 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q4cmXC029805 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:38:49 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060226043921.CGNT17668.centrmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:39:21 -0500 Message-ID: <44013FCD.9060504@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:42:37 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <4400F9F7.9000006@quillandmouse.com> <200602252124.13609.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200602252124.13609.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.606, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.50, BAYES_05 -1.11) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>>is there any real advantage to 2.6 over 2.4? >>> >>I think Eben best answered the overall question, but I wanted to make a >>comment about the superiority of 2.6 over 2.4 kernels. The primary >>benefit you'll notice is speed. The memory subsystem was considerably >>reworked between the 2.4 and 2.6 series. >> > >Support for more RAM and better scalability to newer and faster CPU's. Under >2.4 you could only have 255 major devices defined due to the limitation >of /dev. With 2.6 it now supportss 4095 major device types. > >Linux I/O has had major improvements. Resulting in networking being even >faster under 2.6. Faster disk I/O. > > > > >2.6 was really a huge overhaul that changed the efficiency under which 2.6 >operates with internal and external devices. The improved support for scaling >to many CPU's gave us the improved user experience as things need to run >"tighter" to not stumble on each other. > > > >The 2.6 kernel got Linux up to be able to compete with the big boys. Linux had >finally grown up. > > Thank you, Eban, Paul, and Steve. It looks like I will be sticking to 2.6 and probably shopping for more mice. I really like my Logitech wireless set. Maybe I should just get a kvm switch... -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 26 01:13:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q6DfkL032542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:13:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1Q6DfUh032541 for slug-track29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:13:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q6Df5b032537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:13:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q6DePl015377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:13:40 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1Q6DMM0010039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:13:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 27745 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 00:11:28 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 00:11:28 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153BC56C20 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:13:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4401470F.4000407@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:13:35 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <4400F9F7.9000006@quillandmouse.com> <200602252124.13609.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200602252124.13609.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.17, required 6, AWL -1.42, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Saturday 25 February 2006 19:44, Paul M Foster wrote: > >>michael hast wrote: > > >>>is there any real advantage to 2.6 over 2.4? I know that some people >>>have made ths kind of thing work on 2.6, but if there isn't a good >>>reason to use it, I don't see the point of the effort. Thoughts? >> >>I think Eben best answered the overall question, but I wanted to make a >>comment about the superiority of 2.6 over 2.4 kernels. The primary >>benefit you'll notice is speed. The memory subsystem was considerably >>reworked between the 2.4 and 2.6 series. That said, 2.4 kernels are more >>stable than 2.6 kernels overall, because the kernel development method >>was changed after 2.4. Not to say that 2.6 kernels are unstable. But >>Linus changed the way things were done, and it has resulted in more >>radical changes to the 2.6 kernels. > > > Linus made changes which for the user meant your keyboard and mouse were more > responsive even under heavy load. He greatly changed memory management from > his originally flawed design by incorporating uClinux into the mainstream > kernel. uClinux is Linux for microcontrollers project. > > The second big change was to support NUMA servers which makes Linux work well > in a multiprocessor world, by running a lot more efficient over many CPU's. > > Linux started a new concept called subarchitecture which allows the separation > of processor type and underlying hardware. This resulted in support for more > platforms and a saner way of dealing with porting Linux to new systems. > > Supporting hyper threading is another big improvement. And a big change in > threading which allows more stable threading with multiple CPU's. Preemtive > processing is yet another. You can now interrupt the kernel mid-task, which > makes all processes run a bit more evenly and give the user a faster overall > experience. > > Support for more RAM and better scalability to newer and faster CPU's. Under > 2.4 you could only have 255 major devices defined due to the limitation > of /dev. With 2.6 it now supportss 4095 major device types. > > Linux I/O has had major improvements. Resulting in networking being even > faster under 2.6. Faster disk I/O. > > By handling devices with the Unified Device Model it's internal understanding > of hardware makes it run a lot more reliably. This also resulted in much > better support for hardware, which is visible in the improved support on for > example laptops since 2.6 was released. > > 2.6 was really a huge overhaul that changed the efficiency under which 2.6 > operates with internal and external devices. The improved support for scaling > to many CPU's gave us the improved user experience as things need to run > "tighter" to not stumble on each other. > > The 2.6 is not any less stable, quite the opposit. 2.4 has been considered > stable as it's old and proven. What Linus said early on was that even though > 2.6 had only been out for a short while, and had not undergone the same > amount of testing, it was already more stable than 2.4. > > In effect you could say that the changes made were something like improving a > vehicle which was only reliable if you stayed with the block, to make it able > to reliably run cross country. Which of course made it even better at running > around the block. > > The 2.6 kernel got Linux up to be able to compete with the big boys. Linux had > finally grown up. While all of this may be true, it wasn't the point I was making. I don't closely follow the kernel lists, but my understanding is that the 2.4 kernel (and prior) was implemented under a much more plodding, methodical paradigm. There was a very specific methodology to the way kernel development was shepherded and administered. With the 2.6 kernel, Linus changed this so that kernel development could be considered more "haphazard" now. That's not really the right word, as it implies more randomness than actually exists. But kernel development did change away from the more "orthogonal" way in which it was previously administered. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 26 06:10:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QBAwpR002399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:10:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1QBAwIn002398 for slug-track29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:10:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QBAwI3002394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:10:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QBAvs4012407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:10:58 -0500 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QBAg1V008753 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:10:42 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052C5EE936 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 06:10:33 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602252124.13609.steve@szmidt.org> <4401470F.4000407@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <4401470F.4000407@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602260610.33729.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.686, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.82, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 26 February 2006 01:13, Paul M Foster wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > > > The 2.6 kernel got Linux up to be able to compete with the big boys. > > Linux had finally grown up. > > While all of this may be true, it wasn't the point I was making. I don't > closely follow the kernel lists, but my understanding is that the 2.4 > kernel (and prior) was implemented under a much more plodding, > methodical paradigm. There was a very specific methodology to the way > kernel development was shepherded and administered. With the 2.6 kernel, > Linus changed this so that kernel development could be considered more > "haphazard" now. That's not really the right word, as it implies more > randomness than actually exists. But kernel development did change away > from the more "orthogonal" way in which it was previously administered. Yes it did change. Very drastically. The changes with 2.6 are so encompassing that it's hard to casually tell how fundamentally different it is. Many of the methods used to develop the Linux kernel are very similar to the way it was with the 2.4. But these are key changes that has improved overall stability and quality. Under the 2.4 there was no real version control except for what each developer used. Linus did not have a formal version control and source code management, which led to the implementation of Bitkeeper. (This happend while the 2.5 kernel was being developed.) Before this change there were often gaping holes between releases where people did not know what was merged and not. This often resulted in things being unnecessarily broken. So the implementation of a central repository has resulted in everyone knowing exactly what the code status is. During 2.5 a lot of parallel development occurred with many new teams worked on support for different areas. This was not the case during previous kernels. During the 2.4 kernel there were only around 100 automated tests run on the kernel, but with 2.5 we got the Linux Test Project which is aimed towards more organized testing methods. By the time 2.6 was released we had over 2000 tests. Adding code coverage analysis you can now tell what area of the kernel that does not have a test, which can then be developed. Then thanks to Bitkeeper nightly regression testing made it possible for developers to see what effect their changes had without having to wait for another release to be made. Bug tracking has improved as much and it's pretty straight forward to post, assign and track bugs. Maybe you got the idea from the fact that now you have a lot more people working on and submitting changes than was ever made under 2.4. That could give a false impression that it's not as stable. The 2.6 kernel offered such an improvement that it attracted a lot more developers. Fortunately their work can all be done in parallel, with full version and bug control and testing, resulting in a much improved kernel. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 26 10:11:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QFBpv3004089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1QFBpZs004088 for slug-track29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QFBoYG004084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QFBo4N029882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:50 -0500 Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QFBfOl020765 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:41 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UhreT55i1pu7Qa1YvlBe/UvWjVKb5HLf6XBI7bG/VB6J+NF1ARIMwOTWKaOkckYg; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FDNYj-0007gK-9m for slug@nks.net; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:41 -0500 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSolarus Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:11:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602261011.50684.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c260924446b94702737264aeb2c748fd97e5ba7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.264, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.34, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 25 February 2006 06:18 pm, Robert Snyder wrote: > SOTL wrote: > > Hi All > > > > How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! > Sorry about that :>). Apparently every time I make a posting using SOLARIS. Believe this or not even after you pointed out the fact that I have an "a" in place of an "o" I still did not see it until I went over each word 2 or 3 times. Thanks SCOL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 26 12:19:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QHJxo5005038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:19:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1QHJx0u005037 for slug-track29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:19:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QHJwRJ005033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:19:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QHJwMq005833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:19:58 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1QHJhmE001830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:19:45 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1QHNufY015965 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:56 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k1QHNtou015964; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:55 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42949.192.168.8.28.1140974634.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200602260610.33729.steve@szmidt.org> References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602252124.13609.steve@szmidt.org> <4401470F.4000407@quillandmouse.com> <200602260610.33729.steve@szmidt.org> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:23:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.144, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Maybe you got the idea from the fact that now you have a lot more people > working on and submitting changes than was ever made under 2.4. That could > give a false impression that it's not as stable. > > The 2.6 kernel offered such an improvement that it attracted a lot more > developers. Fortunately their work can all be done in parallel, with full > version and bug control and testing, resulting in a much improved kernel. I've been using the 2.6 kernel since the dev 2.5 tree. It has been completely rock solid for me. It's also a lot easier to build. Just as a side note, there are some 2.6 features especially with USB and hot swap that make it necessary in my environment. For example, some external hard drive enclosures work spottily under 2.4 but just work under 2.6. I ran into this today when backing up some files to a USB hard drive under a 2.4 kernel. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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In-Reply-To: <44013D51.1060209@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <44013D51.1060209@cox.net> X-GetARealMailreader: > (and I suspect that it's the configuration of your software [1], not the >> kernel version, that's the issue). > > All I know is that I cannot coax 2.6 to play nice with them, and it is not > an issue with M$ or 2.4. Could it be the PS/2 driver in 2.6 vs the PS/2 driver in 2.4? Dunno how one changes that independently of the kernel. Or maybe it's xorg vs XFree86, but I think you said you tried it outside of X with gpm. I'd say try PS/2 protocol (the scroll wheel won't work that way) to see how much of the device you can make work. >> If it's a roll-your-own kernel, make sure you have all the necessary >> modules available. > > I'm not far enough along in my Jedi training to try that one yet. It's > just the standard kernel 2.6.8 or whatever. It's pretty easy, once you get a working starting point. I can give you one for 2.6.15.1 . It greatly improves boot time. >> [1] and the X server is just another piece of (admittedly complex) >> software >> > Point taken. I still don't know if I want to jack with them or just cut my > losses on them. It is obviously an odd if not essoterric problem. Since a > basic optical PS2 scroll mouse can be gotten for less than $10.00 if you > catch a sale, I'm not very convinced that it is worth my time or energy to > try to solve this one. It's kind of one of those picking-my-battles sort > of deals, you know? Sure. You don't know if the necessary effort investment is more than the replacement cost. Have you googled ? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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They put a 10.1 rpm in there. > > For the life of me I cannot remember how to do that. Course I have lots of > notes and stuff but they are all on the unbootable syste. > > Would really appreciate a quick reminder once I am at root in the rescue > mode. If by "mount my system" you mean "mount partition 1 on my computer's internal IDE hard drive", and by "root" you mean "root user" (not "root directory"), and by "rescue system" you mean "a bootable CD with utilities", then: "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp". Make sure (1) that is the disk you want to use; (2) that is the partition you want to mount; and (3) /mnt/temp (or wherever you choose to mount it) actually exists. Mkdir it if it doesn't (or choose a different place). -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 26 23:07:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R47Ygx009648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:07:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1R47Yv8009647 for slug-track29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:07:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R47X5R009643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:07:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R47X7f012313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:07:33 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R47JL2006437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:07:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 17180 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 22:05:37 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 22:05:37 -0600 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4827683A80; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:07:47 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060227040747.4827683A80@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:07:47 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.323, required 6, AWL -0.32, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 27 February 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) J. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 26 23:38:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4cjHq009893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:38:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1R4ciAC009892 for slug-track29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:38:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4ci3f009888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:38:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4ci5X014368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:38:44 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4c166024982 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:38:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (*authenticated* [71.98.200.177] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.0rc2) id 46DDW00 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:35:50 -0500 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Just can't remember- Remembered Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:38:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44026A7D.5020300@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602262338.38972.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.726, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.87, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 26 February 2006 22:38, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > Need to mount my system to edit a file from the rescue system > > so I can boot my unbootable SuSE 10. > > > > Beware of Kdebase3 for a few days. They put a 10.1 rpm in there. > > > > For the life of me I cannot remember how to do that. Course I have lots > > of notes and stuff but they are all on the unbootable syste. > > > > Would really appreciate a quick reminder once I am at root in the rescue > > mode. > > If by "mount my system" you mean "mount partition 1 on my computer's > internal IDE hard drive", and by "root" you mean "root user" (not "root > directory"), and by "rescue system" you mean "a bootable CD with > utilities", then: "mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp". Make sure (1) that is the > disk you want to use; (2) that is the partition you want to mount; and (3) > /mnt/temp (or wherever you choose to mount it) actually exists. Mkdir it > if it doesn't (or choose a different place). Eben, Thanks for replying, but never mind. I finally remembered after playing with it for awhile. If that was something you should have seen all of that old grey-matter churning while using VI. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Feb 26 23:41:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4foKM009937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:41:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1R4foWF009936 for slug-track29; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:41:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4fnIT009932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:41:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4fnKt014591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:41:49 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R4fbax022839 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:41:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060227044135.PDCA17668.centrmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:41:35 -0500 Message-ID: <440291D7.5040404@cox.net> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:44:55 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <44013D51.1060209@cox.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.573, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > It's pretty easy, once you get a working starting point. I can give > you one for 2.6.15.1 . It greatly improves boot time. > > I think I may like to take you up on that. How will that complicate my configuration on my nvidia drivers? I'm having a hard enough time getting this thing installed even as it is. I know it's supposed to be simple, but I'm coming up with complications left and right. That's really why I don't want to screw with the mice right now. I'd like to focus on the dual-heads. Anyway, enough of that for now. Back to my configuring and stuff... Thanks! -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 00:13:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5DGZm010167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:13:16 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1R5DG3Y010166 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:13:16 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5DFqM010162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:13:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5DEIw017997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:13:14 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5CdNv022852 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:12:39 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1R5Cb3x015019 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:12:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:12:41 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? In-Reply-To: <440291D7.5040404@cox.net> Message-ID: References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <44013D51.1060209@cox.net> <440291D7.5040404@cox.net> X-GetARealMailreader: > It's pretty easy, once you get a working starting point. I can give you one >> for 2.6.15.1 . It greatly improves boot time. > > I think I may like to take you up on that. eben@pc:~$ gzip -9v < src/linux-2.6.15.1/.config > web/config-2.6.15.1.gz 75.4% http://24.94.123.65:81/config-2.6.15.1.gz > How will that complicate my configuration on my nvidia drivers? If they work at more more than a basic level, they'll work all the way. I'd say, make sure AGP is enabled. There's some stuff related to video, but since I use an Nvidia card too (with the eee-vil binary-only driver), out setups might be similar in that regard. Well, except for the 2-heads vs. 1-head thing... > I'm having a hard enough time getting this thing installed even as it is. > I know it's supposed to be simple, but I'm coming up with complications > left and right. Eh, that's computers for you. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 00:31:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5VNX1010331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:31:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1R5VNN2010330 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:31:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5VMIk010326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:31:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5VMP6020805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:31:22 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1R5VGnN010602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:31:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 30346 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 23:29:34 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 23:29:34 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300D456C1E for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:31:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44028EC0.8080800@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:31:44 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <44013D51.1060209@cox.net> <440291D7.5040404@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <440291D7.5040404@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.179, required 6, AWL -0.67, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > > >> >> It's pretty easy, once you get a working starting point. I can give >> you one for 2.6.15.1 . It greatly improves boot time. >> >> > > > I think I may like to take you up on that. How will that complicate my > configuration on my nvidia drivers? I'm having a hard enough time > getting this thing installed even as it is. I know it's supposed to be > simple, but I'm coming up with complications left and right. That's > really why I don't want to screw with the mice right now. I'd like to > focus on the dual-heads. Anyway, enough of that for now. Back to my > configuring and stuff... > While I was offline for a while, I sent a message about this, but it never got through. So I'll repeat the information here. If you go to the NVidia site and look for the area where you can download Linux drivers, you'll see their latest download. Download it and run it per the instructions on that page: sh name-of-download It will check your system for various things, including kernel and X source code. If it can't find what it wants, it will ask you if you want it to download it and build stuff itself. Say yes, and it will download and compile what it needs. At some point, it will ask you if you want it to modify your X config file. Say yes (after you've saved a copy). At that point, you're done. It's that simple. If you look carefully on that site or on that page, you'll also see a link to the cards supported by that driver. I can't stress enough how simple this is. I've now done this about three times on various boxes and various NVidia cards, and it went smoothly every time. Bottom line: don't worry about your kernel and such. Just build whatever you think you need for the kernel. And let NVidia worry about the drivers afterward. (BTW, there are cases where the native X NVidia drivers work okay as well. I think the native X Nvidia driver appears as nv or nvidia. That said, as with printers, I prefer the manufacturer's versions of drivers and PPDs. My CUPS didn't work so well with the supplied HP 1320 PPD, so I downloaded HP's. Much better.) -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 05:55:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RAtSsX012766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:55:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RAtSS0012765 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:55:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RAtSYT012761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:55:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RAtRkA017281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:55:27 -0500 Received: from hannibal.dreamhost.com (ip-205-196-208-25.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.25]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RAtEoP006546 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:55:14 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by hannibal.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA665AEFFF for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:55:13 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 05:55:11 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <440291D7.5040404@cox.net> <44028EC0.8080800@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <44028EC0.8080800@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602270555.11847.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.937, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.89, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 27 February 2006 00:31, Paul M Foster wrote: > I can't stress enough how simple this is. I've now done this about three > times on various boxes and various NVidia cards, and it went smoothly > every time. Bottom line: don't worry about your kernel and such. Just > build whatever you think you need for the kernel. And let NVidia worry > about the drivers afterward. I want ot chime in on what Paul said. Earlier on you had to get a new driver every time you updated the kernel. And if there were no driver done for that kernel version you had to wait. But then they unified their drivers and made them work with any new kernel release. All you have to do is rerun the self installing driver, which then relinks with the new kernel. Very smooth. In my eyes there really is nothing evil about not having the source code for a driver. We are so into open source that it's easy to get down on closed source. The fact is that Nvidia is doing a great job with their drivers. They are tightly developed to work with Linux. Much more so than ATI. I must have done 10's of installs with it and I cannot complain at all. Sure it would be easier not having to compile. Sure it would be easier if Nvidia released the driver so it could be included in your distro. But they are concerned over ATI and don't want to give them the leg up. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 10:11:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RFBOVc014574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:11:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RFBO4t014573 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:11:24 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RFBNlE014569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:11:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RFBNeN004171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:11:23 -0500 Received: from web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.100]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1RFBGBj018212 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:11:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 4830 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2006 15:11:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=woL0Xtf9kFZMykAz4YsgKt9l4TceIup9heSS88D9Bj5cu51xuZzemNS6uHe+k4YX1QyDm6XuPxfs9ZuJ4OHu+CaC5u6TTcAwijfJARc/JbtqHAsg+lMlEVLEQ+b+mmesfS3OIMoa4T2G6clw0i6NA3qPR9KaVnYamajYt2VtVmY= ; Message-ID: <20060227151115.4828.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.40.143.162] by web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:11:15 PST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:11:15 -0800 (PST) From: nick velez Subject: [SLUG] Contractual Education To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200602270555.11847.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-480433649-1141053075=:1894" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.353, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-480433649-1141053075=:1894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All, I recently read an article on contractual education. The article described organizations around the world that sponsor a student's full time education in return for a commitment to work a specified amount of time for that organization after graduation. In essence, students would basically get their degrees and be guaranteed a job upon graduation. These would primarily be doctors, scientists, engineers, and overall PhD's who would dedicate their work to the government. One particular institution is the Cuban government. Unfortunately, the article was rather short and did not highlight any US-based organizations. I myself am an engineering student, and am rather curious as to what the possibility would be of pursuing a PhD via a similar program (outside of joining the armed forces) . I've heard of large corporations like IBM, and Microsoft having offered contractual education, but have never seen anything in writing. Does anyone know of any organizations that offer contractual education? 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I recently read an article on contractual education. The article described organizations around the world that sponsor a student's full time education in return for a commitment to work a specified amount of time for that organization after graduation. In essence, students would basically get their degrees and be guaranteed a job upon graduation. These would primarily be doctors, scientists, engineers, and overall PhD's who would dedicate their work to the government. One particular institution is the Cuban government. Unfortunately, the article was rather short and did not highlight any US-based organizations.
 
I myself am an engineering student, and am rather curious as to what the possibility would be of pursuing a PhD via a similar program (outside of joining the armed forces) . I've heard of large corporations like IBM, and Microsoft having offered contractual education, but have never seen a! nything in writing. Does anyone know of any organizations that offer contractual education? What would be the pro's and con's of undergoing such a program?


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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 11:18:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RGIVRq015110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:18:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RGIV1j015109 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:18:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RGIURC015105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:18:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RGIULd008932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:18:30 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RGILAt023724 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:18:21 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RGIJJC015277 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:18:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? In-Reply-To: <200602270555.11847.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <440291D7.5040404@cox.net> <44028EC0.8080800@quillandmouse.com> <200602270555.11847.steve@szmidt.org> X-GetARealMailreader: On Monday 27 February 2006 00:31, Paul M Foster wrote: >> I can't stress enough how simple this is. I've now done this about three >> times on various boxes and various NVidia cards, and it went smoothly >> every time. Bottom line: don't worry about your kernel and such. Just >> build whatever you think you need for the kernel. And let NVidia worry >> about the drivers afterward. > > I want ot chime in on what Paul said. Earlier on you had to get a new driver > every time you updated the kernel. And if there were no driver done for that > kernel version you had to wait. But then they unified their drivers and made > them work with any new kernel release. All you have to do is rerun the self > installing driver, which then relinks with the new kernel. Very smooth. The ipw2100 driver isn't integrated into the kernel, and doesn't work across kernel versions. But "make ; make install" is easier than "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run" and answering a bunch of yes/no questions. > In my eyes there really is nothing evil about not having the source code > for a driver. Well, it indicates that the manufacturer doesn't want anybody but them (and maybe their "friends") writing a driver. Maybe there are bugs, inefficiences or security holes in their code? Who knows? > The fact is that Nvidia is doing a great job with their drivers. They are > tightly developed to work with Linux. Much more so than ATI. Agreed. It's nice to have drivers that work well. > I must have done 10's of installs with it and I cannot complain at all. Sure > it would be easier not having to compile. Sure it would be easier if Nvidia > released the driver so it could be included in your distro. But they are > concerned over ATI and don't want to give them the leg up. Heck, I wish I didn't have to rerun the installer every time I left runlevel 5. It's probably something simple like "the driver's not loaded". -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 12:00:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RH0mRn015418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RH0mXu015417 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RH0l4c015413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RH0lJG012474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:47 -0500 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RH0cNr008850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:39 -0500 Received: (qmail 1856 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 12:00:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (www-data@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 12:00:37 -0500 Received: from 208.205.82.65 ([208.205.82.65]) by webmail.heavysystems.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: <20060227120037.jx9u7d3frse88gkc@webmail.heavysystems.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:00:37 -0500 From: Richard Morgan To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Contractual Education References: <20060227151115.4828.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060227151115.4828.qmail@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.615, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.62, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was going to suggest the Armed Forces until you mentioned that you're looking for governmental organizations outside of the military. Don't overlook the military, though, DARPA brought us the internet, after all. Defense projects push a lot of R&D. What is your educational goal? The Public Health Service has it's own medical school, the DOE funds a lot of projects involving high performance computing and physics research, the Army has a very good Medical Corps and researches antidotes to chemical weapons. Lots of opportunity. No matter who you go with, you will be required to either serve time with them or you'll have to pay back the funds spent on your education. Sincerely, Richard Morgan Heavy Systems Administrator http://www.heavysystems.com Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. Quoting nick velez : > Hello All, > I recently read an article on contractual education. The article > described organizations around the world that sponsor a student's > full time education in return for a commitment to work a specified > amount of time for that organization after graduation. In essence, > students would basically get their degrees and be guaranteed a job > upon graduation. These would primarily be doctors, scientists, > engineers, and overall PhD's who would dedicate their work to the > government. One particular institution is the Cuban government. > Unfortunately, the article was rather short and did not highlight any > US-based organizations. > > I myself am an engineering student, and am rather curious as to what > the possibility would be of pursuing a PhD via a similar program > (outside of joining the armed forces) . I've heard of large > corporations like IBM, and Microsoft having offered contractual > education, but have never seen anything in writing. Does anyone know > of any organizations that offer contractual education? What would be > the pro's and con's of undergoing such a program? > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 12:52:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RHqTOn015759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:52:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RHqTA3015758 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:52:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RHqT4F015754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:52:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RHqPuR016038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:52:29 -0500 Received: from baracus.dreamhost.com (baracus.dreamhost.com [66.33.205.11]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RHq0EN027691 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:52:01 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by baracus.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED92E10F03B for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:51:59 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:51:58 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602270555.11847.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602271251.58322.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.464, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 27 February 2006 11:18, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > The ipw2100 driver isn't integrated into the kernel, and doesn't work > across kernel versions. But "make ; make install" is easier than > "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run" and answering a bunch of yes/no > questions. I'm sure you will not find very many novices agree with that. Plus doing an rpm install brings it into being easily managed with al your other packages. > > In my eyes there really is nothing evil about not having the source code > > for a driver. > > Well, it indicates that the manufacturer doesn't want anybody but them (and > maybe their "friends") writing a driver. Maybe there are bugs, > inefficiences or security holes in their code? Who knows? There could very well be all of them. Fortunately it's very easy to write a driver under Linux unlike it's windows counterpart. Few drivers are without bugs under windows. It just as much an indication of nothing like it. The competition between ATI and Nvidia is famous. Nvidia is enjoying a lot of advantage in OSS, which I'm sure they want to defend as much as is possible. I'd hate to have to run ms windows to run spanning windows. A binary driver is not going to attract my complaints, on an otherwise happy setup. > > Heck, I wish I didn't have to rerun the installer every time I left > runlevel 5. It's probably something simple like "the driver's not loaded". Wow. Guess you did not contact Nvidia about it? -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 13:01:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RI1jT2015877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:01:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RI1jtr015876 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:01:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RI1ixu015872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:01:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RI1iMZ016869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:01:44 -0500 Received: from web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.98]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k1RI1JVG025177 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:01:19 -0500 Received: (qmail 88298 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2006 18:01:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l5rs1HLoA6xudP2GmffC7DNzKDdhzG08RMGAkK0zt+IXlPlwgXZITl9bVvM96EOxHeqZpdTlPVltTTcSXVO53jtG+AIcFCpzrfhEISccNOJfi1/TF5grIIReJesk2K7hgYorHAwrR1iXW+86QUt5CskF8qSt6bElbAZ4VfKUM3M= ; Message-ID: <20060227180119.88296.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.40.143.162] by web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:01:18 PST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:01:18 -0800 (PST) From: nick velez Subject: Re: [SLUG] Contractual Education To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20060227120037.jx9u7d3frse88gkc@webmail.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1128973078-1141063278=:88241" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.353, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --0-1128973078-1141063278=:88241 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Richard, Thanks for your feedback. My educational goal is to obtain a doctorate in Computer Science / Engineering since I enjoy software engineering. I am currently very early on in my education with only an associate degree in computer information systems and am looking to partner with an institution that will invest in my future.Thanks again for any input you can provide. -Nick Richard Morgan wrote: I was going to suggest the Armed Forces until you mentioned that you're looking for governmental organizations outside of the military. Don't overlook the military, though, DARPA brought us the internet, after all. Defense projects push a lot of R&D. What is your educational goal? The Public Health Service has it's own medical school, the DOE funds a lot of projects involving high performance computing and physics research, the Army has a very good Medical Corps and researches antidotes to chemical weapons. Lots of opportunity. No matter who you go with, you will be required to either serve time with them or you'll have to pay back the funds spent on your education. Sincerely, Richard Morgan Heavy Systems Administrator http://www.heavysystems.com Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. Quoting nick velez : > Hello All, > I recently read an article on contractual education. The article > described organizations around the world that sponsor a student's > full time education in return for a commitment to work a specified > amount of time for that organization after graduation. In essence, > students would basically get their degrees and be guaranteed a job > upon graduation. These would primarily be doctors, scientists, > engineers, and overall PhD's who would dedicate their work to the > government. One particular institution is the Cuban government. > Unfortunately, the article was rather short and did not highlight any > US-based organizations. > > I myself am an engineering student, and am rather curious as to what > the possibility would be of pursuing a PhD via a similar program > (outside of joining the armed forces) . I've heard of large > corporations like IBM, and Microsoft having offered contractual > education, but have never seen anything in writing. Does anyone know > of any organizations that offer contractual education? What would be > the pro's and con's of undergoing such a program? > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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Richard,
Thanks for your feedback. My educational goal is to obtain a doctorate in Computer Science / Engineering since I enjoy software engineering. I am currently very early on in my education with only an associate degree in computer information systems and am looking to partner with an institution that will invest in my future.Thanks again for any input you can provide.
-Nick
 

Richard Morgan <rmorgan@heavysystems.com> wrote:
I was going to suggest the Armed Forces until you mentioned that you're
looking
for governmental organizations outside of the military. Don't overlook the
military, though, DARPA brought us the internet, after all. Defense projects
push a lot of R&D.

What is your educational goal? The Public Health Service has it's! own medical
school, the DOE funds a lot of projects involving high performance computing
and physics research, the Army has a very good Medical Corps and researches
antidotes to chemical weapons. Lots of opportunity.

No matter who you go with, you will be required to either serve time with them
or you'll have to pay back the funds spent on your education.

Sincerely,
Richard Morgan
Heavy Systems Administrator
http://www.heavysystems.com
Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business.
Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider.



Quoting nick velez :

> Hello All,
> I recently read an article on contractual education. The article
> described organizations around the world that sponsor a student's
> full time education in return for a commitment to work a specified
> amount of time for that organization after graduation. In essence,
> studen! ts would basically get their degrees and be guaranteed a job
> upon graduation. These would primarily be doctors, scientists,
> engineers, and overall PhD's who would dedicate their work to the
> government. One particular institution is the Cuban government.
> Unfortunately, the article was rather short and did not highlight any
> US-based organizations.
>
> I myself am an engineering student, and am rather curious as to what
> the possibility would be of pursuing a PhD via a similar program
> (outside of joining the armed forces) . I've heard of large
> corporations like IBM, and Microsoft having offered contractual
> education, but have never seen anything in writing. Does anyone know
> of any organizations that offer contractual education? What would be
> the pro's and con's of undergoing such a program?
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mail
> Br! ing photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.



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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 15:45:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RKjpei017019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:45:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RKjp0c017018 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:45:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RKjohK017014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:45:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RKjolV028060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:45:50 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RKjM8G020502 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:45:23 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1RKjLpU018387 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:45:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:45:25 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? In-Reply-To: <200602271251.58322.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602270555.11847.steve@szmidt.org> <200602271251.58322.steve@szmidt.org> X-GetARealMailreader: On Monday 27 February 2006 11:18, Eben King wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > >> The ipw2100 driver isn't integrated into the kernel, and doesn't work >> across kernel versions. But "make ; make install" is easier than >> "./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run" and answering a bunch of yes/no >> questions. > > I'm sure you will not find very many novices agree with that. They've apparently never wanted to start something, and be left alone until it finishes. Besides, if we always aim for the lowest common denominator, we end up with Windows. > Plus doing an rpm install brings it into being easily managed with al your > other packages. They don't offer an rpm anymore, according to them. >>> In my eyes there really is nothing evil about not having the source code >>> for a driver. >> >> Well, it indicates that the manufacturer doesn't want anybody but them (and >> maybe their "friends") writing a driver. Maybe there are bugs, >> inefficiences or security holes in their code? Who knows? > > There could very well be all of them. Fortunately it's very easy to write a > driver under Linux unlike it's windows counterpart. Few drivers are without > bugs under windows. Oh, so that makes it OK? "Look, they're bad too." Why not strive to write the best code possible? Oh yeah, closed source is why. > It just as much an indication of nothing like it. The competition between > ATI and Nvidia is famous. Nvidia is enjoying a lot of advantage in OSS, > which I'm sure they want to defend as much as is possible. > I'd hate to have to run ms windows to run spanning windows. A binary > driver is not going to attract my complaints, on an otherwise happy setup. Well, it's nice that you're satisfied with (possible) mediocrity. >> Heck, I wish I didn't have to rerun the installer every time I left >> runlevel 5. It's probably something simple like "the driver's not loaded". > > Wow. Guess you did not contact Nvidia about it? Oops. Thinko. I didn't mean "the driver's not loaded", I meant "the module's not loaded". Used to be, if something tried for a module and didn't find it, you'd get an error in /var/log/messages which would usually tell you (between that and /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt) pretty much what module was missing. Now, I can't find such errors anywhere. I suspect the only net change the installer makes is to load the module. I mean, xorg.conf didn't get rewritten, and the support files didn't get removed. It's not that big a hassle, since I don't often leave runlevel 5. Besides, if I contacted them, 1 I'd look like a dweeb b I'd probably get told to check some basic step (I've already done the easy stuff, thanks) or a solution to a different problem, one which doesn't match the symptoms I clearly explained III they'd want some irrelevant information like "What color is your router?" four ... then say "sorry, we don't support grey routers" -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 18:08:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RN8PMC018026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:08:25 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RN8PIK018025 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:08:25 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RN8Pu4018021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:08:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RN8Oca005904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:08:25 -0500 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RN8AUB028899 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:08:11 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB969EE994 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:08:09 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:08:07 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271251.58322.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.164, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 27 February 2006 15:45, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > > I'm sure you will not find very many novices agree with that. > > They've apparently never wanted to start something, and be left alone until > it finishes. Besides, if we always aim for the lowest common denominator, > we end up with Windows. Let's see what people here say. All of you who have installed the Nvidia driver, who prefers their installer over compiling by hand, or vice versa? > > There could very well be all of them. Fortunately it's very easy to write > > a driver under Linux unlike it's windows counterpart. Few drivers are > > without bugs under windows. > > Oh, so that makes it OK? "Look, they're bad too." Why not strive to write > the best code possible? Oh yeah, closed source is why. > > Well, it's nice that you're satisfied with (possible) mediocrity. Yeah in a perfect world we'd have it. I'm all for open source everywhere feasable. As it is I'd rather have the better closed source driver than the open source one. Why are you using it? By your own considerations you certainly have settled for "(possible) mediocrity" by using it. Har har see how evil it is, yes I'm using it too, kind of stuff. If you don't like closed source why use it, eh? Companies have the right to make closed source software. Regardless of how you and I feel about it. Closed source is no more evil than closed. Of course that depends on your definition of evil. Yeah, OSS has made a lot of good s/w. Seems to have a better _average_ quality than closed. If you removed commercial s/w from the market the world would collapse. Never mind those hard working developers not having a living. I've written both. I've made money on both. Some companies are still running what I wrote over 20 years ago. Making money on closed is definitely easier. Open feels better, like a contribution to the world. I take it since you feel so strongly about open source you must have contributed too. Not just had a free ride... As it is we need both for the foreseeable future. > >> Heck, I wish I didn't have to rerun the installer every time I left > >> runlevel 5. It's probably something simple like "the driver's not > >> loaded". > > > > Wow. Guess you did not contact Nvidia about it? > It's not that big a hassle, since I don't often leave runlevel 5. Besides, > if I contacted them, > > 1 I'd look like a dweeb To whom? Not asking makes you look even sillier. > b I'd probably get told to check some basic step (I've already done the > easy stuff, thanks) or a solution to a different problem, one which > doesn't match the symptoms I clearly explained > III they'd want some irrelevant information like "What color is your > router?" > four ... then say "sorry, we don't support grey routers" Possibly but, at least you would have tried. Now you don't know. All you have are assumptions, and you know what the Navy says about that. Sorry if I seem to pick on you. I am. : ) I may have taken you out of context, or not read you clearly. I'm a bit annoyed with some other backstabbing fool and you may have gotten the worse out of me. Bottom line is that I don't like generalities like all closed source is evil. Especially from people who seem to have never coded for a living. And I don't at all buy into Raymond's view of the software world. He's an ideologist who's living in his own imaginary world. Too many people find reasons to hate and call each other evil, rather than focusing on the positive. I'm sure you are a nice guy and all that. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 18:49:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNnka2018327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:49:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RNnkC7018326 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:49:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNnjn4018322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:49:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNnjZS008727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:49:45 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNnPlM009116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:49:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 29377 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 17:47:42 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 17:47:42 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6031656C1E for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:49:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:49:53 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271251.58322.steve@szmidt.org> <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.208, required 6, AWL -0.20, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Monday 27 February 2006 15:45, Eben King wrote: > >>On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: >> > And I don't at all buy into Raymond's view of the software world. > He's an ideologist who's living in his own imaginary world. > What's Raymond's view of the software world? Or did you mean Stallman? Stallman's views are far more extreme than Raymond's from what I've read. I tend to think Linus's view is the most sane. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 18:55:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNtqgx018368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:55:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1RNtqIW018367 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:55:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNtpNc018363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:55:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNtoNR009149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:55:51 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1RNtMUp024751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:55:31 -0500 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1RNxUDG023401 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:59:30 -0500 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k1RNxUI2023400; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:59:30 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:59:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34925.192.168.8.28.1141084769.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271251.58322.steve@szmidt.org> <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:59:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > What's Raymond's view of the software world? Or did you mean Stallman? > Stallman's views are far more extreme than Raymond's from what I've > read. I tend to think Linus's view is the most sane. >From his talks, it seems that ESRs viewpoint is that anyone who doesn't agree with him is insane. :D Just kidding... just kidding.. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 20:41:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S1fslp019169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:41:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1S1fscO019168 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:41:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S1fsuH019164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:41:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S1frxT016284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:41:54 -0500 Received: from faceman.dreamhost.com (faceman.dreamhost.com [205.196.210.16]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S1fU7P031179 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:41:30 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by faceman.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7DF91624EA for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:40:55 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:40:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602272040.52951.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.08, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.22, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 27 February 2006 18:49, Paul M Foster wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > On Monday 27 February 2006 15:45, Eben King wrote: > >>On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > > > > > And I don't at all buy into Raymond's view of the software world. > > He's an ideologist who's living in his own imaginary world. > > What's Raymond's view of the software world? Or did you mean Stallman? > Stallman's views are far more extreme than Raymond's from what I've > read. I tend to think Linus's view is the most sane. Linus sure sounds like a pretty sane guy! -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 21:28:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S2St0H019535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:28:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1S2StpT019534 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:28:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S2Strq019530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:28:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S2StGR019537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:28:55 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net (centrmmtao02.cox.net [70.168.83.82]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S2ShvO025534 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:28:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060228022843.YCHI8484.centrmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:28:43 -0500 Message-ID: <4403C432.8000903@cox.net> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:32:02 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> <200602272040.52951.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200602272040.52951.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.891, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.71, BAYES_40 -0.18) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: >On Monday 27 February 2006 18:49, Paul M Foster wrote: > > >>steve szmidt wrote: >> >> >>>On Monday 27 February 2006 15:45, Eben King wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >>>And I don't at all buy into Raymond's view of the software world. >>>He's an ideologist who's living in his own imaginary world. >>> >>> >>What's Raymond's view of the software world? Or did you mean Stallman? >>Stallman's views are far more extreme than Raymond's from what I've >>read. I tend to think Linus's view is the most sane. >> >> > > Linus sure sounds like a pretty sane guy! > > I don't know, guys. I've read some of Linus' writings, and I'm not sure he is totally balanced. I am a bit of a radical and Linus makes me look like vanilla pudding. I don't know about his financial stability, but I might want to classify him as a "rich eccentric." And, you know that's just a fancy way of saying crazy. He is obviously brilliant, but I think he's just a touch coo-coo. Sometimes I think that ingenuity breeds insanity--which many people get confused. I know that if thoughts could kill, I would like to see him in the ring with Bill, but that man is one beer short of a six-pack. That's just my $.02. -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 22:04:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S3438D019791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:04:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1S343XH019790 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:04:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S343d2019786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:04:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S342Yw021726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:04:03 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S33k6Q007339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:03:46 -0500 Received: (qmail 28701 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 21:02:02 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 21:02:02 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8853B56C1E for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:04:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4403BDAD.1070501@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:04:13 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> <200602272040.52951.steve@szmidt.org> <4403C432.8000903@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4403C432.8000903@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.393, required 6, AWL -1.24, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > >> On Monday 27 February 2006 18:49, Paul M Foster wrote: >> >> >>> steve szmidt wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Monday 27 February 2006 15:45, Eben King wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> And I don't at all buy into Raymond's view of the software world. >>>> He's an ideologist who's living in his own imaginary world. >>>> >>> >>> What's Raymond's view of the software world? Or did you mean Stallman? >>> Stallman's views are far more extreme than Raymond's from what I've >>> read. I tend to think Linus's view is the most sane. >>> >> >> >> Linus sure sounds like a pretty sane guy! >> > I don't know, guys. I've read some of Linus' writings, and I'm not sure > he is totally balanced. I am a bit of a radical and Linus makes me look > like vanilla pudding. I don't know about his financial stability, but I > might want to classify him as a "rich eccentric." And, you know that's > just a fancy way of saying crazy. He is obviously brilliant, but I > think he's just a touch coo-coo. Sometimes I think that ingenuity > breeds insanity--which many people get confused. I know that if > thoughts could kill, I would like to see him in the ring with Bill, but > that man is one beer short of a six-pack. That's just my $.02. > I have no idea whether Linus is sane or not. I'm just talking about his view on open source vs closed, and software development. In general, his decisions on kernel development have been quite good. But he also seems to take a balanced view of open versus closed source software. We was, after all, the one who chose Bitkeeper when no open source tool would suit his needs. (Fortunately, being a talented programmer, he also created an alternative when Bitkeeper's creator decided to bite the hand that fed him.) Not sure what makes you think Linus is crazy, but I've never read anything that gave me that impression. RMS (Stallman) is at the far end of the spectrum here-- all software should be free, just based on the ethics of it, and anyone who develops non-free software is committing a crime and is to one extent or another evil. ESR (Raymond) takes a more realistic view of the OSS movement than Stallman, viewing it in the context of what's actually possible versus Stallman's ideal-but-never-achievable world. He is radical in other ways, though. -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Feb 27 22:51:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S3ptEh020106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1S3ptw0020105 for slug-track29; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S3pttk020101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S3pt9n024932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:55 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1S3pjOU012501 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.15.100] (57-150.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.150.57]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1S3phV7003184; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4403C8D3.1090809@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:51:47 -0500 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug Subject: [SLUG] a CD-R writing question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.255, required 6, AWL -0.74, BAYES_05 -1.11, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SLUG: Does anyone know why "Fixating" a "CD-R write" (closing the disk) causes the computer to crawl to a stop (causing the mouse pointer on the X windows system to become a black X) as I write the CD-R (or RW) in linus in a virtual console - while the "gnome system monitor" fails to show any noticeable change to the CPU usage, the "memory used" does drop when the write is complete. (windows users friends of mine HAVE observed the same thing, in a different way) At first I thought it might be the computer calculating the directory structure, but the "directory structure" must already be in the iso image or we wouldn't be able to mount and browse the iso image. -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 05:41:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SAfn1m023202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:41:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SAfnbu023201 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:41:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SAfmld023197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:41:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SAfmIk030665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:41:48 -0500 Received: from dishpan.dreamhost.com (dishpan.dreamhost.com [205.196.218.12]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SAfMtg009360 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:41:22 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by dishpan.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDD3EE999 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:41:15 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:40:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <4403C432.8000903@cox.net> <4403BDAD.1070501@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <4403BDAD.1070501@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602280540.59706.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.02, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.16, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What does impress me is how he handles problems. The clarity to see straight through the noise and announce the best solution. I've followed a lot of the interviews and read many of his kernel posts and am very impressed how he handles things. You can expect an honest and salient reply from him. He's not a mouse that's for sure. The guy can calmly face down an angry mob and without an angry word announce the best solution, and then get it done. If you study his lifestyle and just observe how his life looks like you can see that he has a well balanced life without the extremes that someone in his position often has. He is very down to earth and considers himself a simple person. Complexity, by the way, is something people add to try to feel more important or valuable. Life is however very simple. It's only when you don't understand that things appear to be complex. He is very well grounded and stays true to himself, lots of integrity. Those observations are what impresses me most about him. Not his code. That's not to say that does not impress me, it does, but I know people, and he has some of the best traits I would ask in a person. Whenever you get someone competent and honest, there are always people who feel threatend and will try to take him down a notch or two. Those people try that because of what they themselves have done. They worry that the skeletons hanging in their own closets, will be revealed by this person. It's quite facinating to see close up. Grown men threatening to beat up a small kid because he has a good work ethic for example. (Yeah, the big men did not have a good work ethic and were afraid they would be found out.) The mob mentality always has a non optimum solution in mind. It's more destructive than constructive and lack all the abilities to observe what's actually going on. > just a fancy way of saying crazy. He is obviously brilliant, but I > think he's just a touch coo-coo. Sometimes I think that ingenuity > breeds insanity--which many people get confused. I know that if > thoughts could kill, I would like to see him in the ring with Bill, but > that man is one beer short of a six-pack. That's just my $.02. What specificly are you referring to? What crazy things have you observed, or deduced that from? I'm surpriced, but happy, that he's so pro-survival in his actions. So I'm curious to see what crazy things you are talking about. -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 08:46:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDkeKn024497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:46:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SDkefp024496 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:46:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDke5d024492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:46:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDkd7v012871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:46:40 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDkIi8032608 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:46:18 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1094444wra for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:46:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UfdQ12jziE1KIJTYe+i4DghV/wbFH/SWaU1Ug4OSDpcjyVgc7AAmtY/0rZtCU66ot34cS/N/rs08hIHmEnY6oU0c4qlCImvYiFZyZ/IqfAWmUCukJcuwyFPC4CJUxLPofmsdIhYp7sQg76hcZiJObMA2sGy2qzWcwpVbCt1rD0I= Received: by 10.54.115.6 with SMTP id n6mr622997wrc; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:46:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602280546m3d9a30afqcfdb16ffbc4b6f01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:46:18 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus In-Reply-To: <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.686, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1SDke5c024493 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! s/your/you/ s/planing/planning/ -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 08:54:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDsSvv024546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:54:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SDsSDP024545 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:54:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDsSP7024541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:54:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDsR2s013253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:54:28 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SDsE50011761 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:54:14 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so1093313wra for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:54:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mNIEL65/yYVkGxiPcbc9p5sckbTKIwfOtpKiulBtY22Aa+UkCGs5/ef4teIycezp/7Q9ad50y9IAYA3IxOkDsQ/otenvW3GRYGX0M/qdsTaCGTDEXH5mekSjjwSGrE4L4nsR0s8xkF5mXMQfQUzTj6QSbQo0GhMr2gmpO/HSBhc= Received: by 10.54.82.11 with SMTP id f11mr616640wrb; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:54:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 05:54:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602280554l2d34130aua2f3bf4f2099fee6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:54:13 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] a CD-R writing question In-Reply-To: <4403C8D3.1090809@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4403C8D3.1090809@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.429, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1SDsSP6024542 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/27/06, Ron Youvan wrote: > SLUG: > > Does anyone know why "Fixating" a "CD-R write" (closing the disk) > causes the computer to crawl to a stop (causing the mouse pointer on > the X windows system to become a black X) as I write the CD-R (or RW) > in linus in a virtual console - while the "gnome system monitor" > fails to show any noticeable change to the CPU usage, the "memory used" > does drop when the write is complete. (windows users friends of mine > HAVE observed the same thing, in a different way) > > At first I thought it might be the computer calculating the directory > structure, but the "directory structure" must already be in the iso image > or we wouldn't be able to mount and browse the iso image. > -- Hmm, there used to be a bug either in cdrecord or the older 2.6 ide code, or maybe one that was only exposed when used with the other or whatever - anyway, it would eat huge amounts of memory while you were burning. As in, it once or twice ran me out of ram and swap on a machine with a gig of each. Maybe you're running into something like that? -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 09:08:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SE8LPT024688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:08:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SE8Lj1024687 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:08:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SE8KcA024683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:08:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SE8K5x014354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:08:20 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SE7wCO002210 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:07:58 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so1105997wri for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:07:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s6ljerP0FIPyZK/VJI+d8nRXIoUKIEJ499M6meH9J8F3v9RHRaUOk9F70Iz98UgDVD7If78ItnR5EG6CWc+5FyhF030H2QnCo4eW9+qHP7CMwgUy8B4uC5GfGcSDZC2d2k1QKwbjRpo1ZLUCx+ZAeN4CjiX2WynHxEI/pXgMoXU= Received: by 10.54.143.14 with SMTP id q14mr617586wrd; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:07:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602280607s79e46a4dibaec2d307e30fdb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:07:57 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? In-Reply-To: <4403BDAD.1070501@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> <44039021.1060700@quillandmouse.com> <200602272040.52951.steve@szmidt.org> <4403C432.8000903@cox.net> <4403BDAD.1070501@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.395, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.66, BAYES_20 -0.74) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1SE8Lc9024684 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > RMS (Stallman) is at the far end of the spectrum here-- all software > should be free, just based on the ethics of it, and anyone who develops > non-free software is committing a crime and is to one extent or another > evil. My interpretation is that Stallman recognizes that nonfree software is sometimes necessary - after all, he used proprietary software to create his first free software. His standpoint is that software is just another kind of human knowledge, like physics formulae or mathematical proofs, and as such should be shared with all of humanity instead of locking it up to try to make money from it at mankind's expense. And, assuming my interpretation's correctish, I agree with him. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 09:35:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEZ0ln024894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:35:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SEZ0KL024893 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:35:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEYxhU024889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:34:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEYxwd016236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:34:59 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEYjir015045 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:34:45 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so1184846nzp for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:34:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tjS8KZsDwCMULObRBzappX97z1NPBM8SNW6qG6AFoxTDBpSGQob8JMvyY4QLUfH3kvOKxkFM1Luo53Wns42yXhFIOTCrZk+BOPtEntd8Sd87BM94PWqbilAGhluhe0lxPNg4PLrYAv22y9qGw4qUJk3X0JsQEXo6apDSmQWGniw= Received: by 10.37.20.31 with SMTP id x31mr3435405nzi; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:34:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.140.18 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:34:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <31f129860602280634h5541b63ai511c9f31bb1ad667@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:34:44 -0500 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602280546m3d9a30afqcfdb16ffbc4b6f01@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11368_29941826.1141137284735" References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> <1a3a3e310602280546m3d9a30afqcfdb16ffbc4b6f01@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.35, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_11368_29941826.1141137284735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/28/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > > How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! > > s/your/you/ > s/planing/planning/ Well I still can spell Solaris in my sleep. And typos are expected from weerobby -- > Debianista! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_11368_29941826.1141137284735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 2/28/06, = Levi Bard <taktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktak@gmail.com> wrote:
> How many times are your pla= ning to misspell the word SOLARIS!

s/your/you/
s/planing/planning= /
 
 
Well I still can spell Solaris in my sleep.  And typos are expect= ed from weerobby
 

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 09:39:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEdDfa024926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SEdDqu024925 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEdDbF024921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEdC4P016456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:39:13 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEclas005474 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:38:47 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i1so1265923nzh for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:38:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ViDHFEKUGTdljF+iUHJ3KziNGrHAfiP/Ez9t/OcbL/rZGW606BOub/G5aDRS6j4aoPV1xtBJN1OPyE7uqtVibAJAf2/vXWqKQbh8FspbK6PinV1lqYPY/lW26qY+MvLwogpeEzVxBjMbkjbm2i00ueOFc7F/eZUSZkEf/G58Sz8= Received: by 10.65.220.15 with SMTP id x15mr847115qbq; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.249.19 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:38:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c90570602280638y371b8b58r6431af8e1b9074db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:38:46 -0800 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Contractual Education In-Reply-To: <20060227180119.88296.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060227120037.jx9u7d3frse88gkc@webmail.heavysystems.com> <20060227180119.88296.qmail@web32001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.203, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1SEdDbE024922 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/27/06, nick velez wrote: > Richard, > Thanks for your feedback. My educational goal is to obtain a doctorate in > Computer Science / Engineering since I enjoy software engineering. I am > currently very early on in my education with only an associate degree in > computer information systems and am looking to partner with an institution > that will invest in my future.Thanks again for any input you can provide. > -Nick > > > Richard Morgan wrote: > I was going to suggest the Armed Forces until you mentioned that you're > looking > for governmental organizations outside of the military. Don't overlook the > military, though, DARPA brought us the internet, after all. Defense projects > push a lot of R&D. > > What is your educational goal? The Public Health Service has it's! own > medical > school, the DOE funds a lot of projects involving high performance computing > and physics research, the Army has a very good Medical Corps and researches > antidotes to chemical weapons. Lots of opportunity. > > No matter who you go with, you will be required to either serve time with > them > or you'll have to pay back the funds spent on your education. > > Sincerely, > Richard Morgan > Heavy Systems Administrator > http://www.heavysystems.com > Powerful web hosting and server solutions for your business. > Heavy Systems is an Authorized AMD Solution Provider. > > > > Quoting nick velez : > > > Hello All, > > I recently read an article on contractual education. The article > > described organizations around the world that sponsor a student's > > full time education in return for a commitment to work a specified > > amount of time for that organization after graduation. In essence, > > studen! ts would basically get their degrees and be guaranteed a job > > upon graduation. These would primarily be doctors, scientists, > > engineers, and overall PhD's who would dedicate their work to the > > government. One particular institution is the Cuban government. > > Unfortunately, the article was rather short and did not highlight any > > US-based organizations. > > > > I myself am an engineering student, and am rather curious as to what > > the possibility would be of pursuing a PhD via a similar program > > (outside of joining the armed forces) . I've heard of large > > corporations like IBM, and Microsoft having offered contractual > > education, but have never seen anything in writing. Does anyone know > > of any organizations that offer contractual education? What would be > > the pro's and con's of undergoing such a program? > > This is military but might be of interest, there used to be some sort of military gaming operation over in Orlando, not sure if they are still there, a young fellow that I knew some years back went to work with them doing war games stuff for the army. They continued to pay his education. That has been about 5 years ago, not sure if they are still there, and do not know who they were but I do know that the kid got paid by the Army and he had to continue to work with them for some period after he finished his education, he was very happy with his work though. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 09:41:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEfvUE024967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:41:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SEfviB024966 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:41:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEfvEj024962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:41:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEfv0t016707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:41:57 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SEfbxu015150 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:41:38 -0500 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so1186454nzp for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:41:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CHo493R4eDvXtxYBAvyvyCgyozUIrpgaHZq6VPp9kvVPdeZMSYtfOXN5yolE1kJ4Mmdyx89H0iyynoGjN+PSk3KKPbuyTjnrHLk5ADN1wa7g20WAlmwVOy8joGqkwprGYVZ7jHby4HnPCAzjzm8RZAwBmfvBMDaquV7vKc9DKMI= Received: by 10.36.9.18 with SMTP id 18mr219233nzi; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.140.18 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:41:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <31f129860602280641u51d3e8few755a3c4dd2b493e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:41:34 -0500 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] a CD-R writing question In-Reply-To: <4403C8D3.1090809@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11452_28799590.1141137694591" References: <4403C8D3.1090809@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.018, required 6, AWL -0.39, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_11452_28799590.1141137694591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 2/27/06, Ron Youvan wrote: > > SLUG: > > Does anyone know why "Fixating" a "CD-R write" (closing the disk) > causes the computer to crawl to a stop (causing the mouse pointer on > the X windows system to become a black X) as I write the CD-R (or RW) > in linus in a virtual console - while the "gnome system monitor" > fails to show any noticeable change to the CPU usage, the "memory used" > does drop when the write is complete. (windows users friends of mine > HAVE observed the same thing, in a different way) > > At first I thought it might be the computer calculating the directory > structure, but the "directory structure" must already be in the iso image > or we wouldn't be able to mount and browse the iso image. > -- > Ron KA4INM Some questions that need to be answered What Interface is it ? IDE/SCSI/USB/Firewire/SATA If USB is the drive USB 2.0 and does your motherboard does your motherboar= d have usb 2.0 and further more does your distro supports that usb 2.0chipset= . if IDE what type of cable are you using. are you using a UATA 133 rated cable Scsi which card are you using Firewire No questions Anyway I seen this problem when the cd burner can not seem to fill its buffer. Which causes alot of I/O commands back and forth eating up memory and processor time. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_11452_28799590.1141137694591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 2/27/06, = Ron Youvan <ka4inm@tampaba= y.rr.com> wrote:
SLUG:

  Does an= yone know why "Fixating" a "CD-R write" (closing the di= sk)
causes the computer to crawl to a stop (causing the mouse pointer on
the X windows system to become a black X) as I write the CD-R (or RW)in linus in a virtual console - while the "gnome system monitor"= ;
fails to show any noticeable change to the CPU usage, the "memory= used"
does drop when the write is complete.  (windows users friends= of mine
HAVE observed the same thing, in a different way)

 =  At first I thought it might be the computer calculating the directory=
structure, but the "directory structure" must already be in t= he iso image
or we wouldn't be able to mount and browse the iso image.
--
&nbs= p;  Ron  KA4INM
 
Some questions that need to be answered
 
What Interface is it ?
IDE/SCSI/USB/Firewire/SATA
 
If USB is the drive USB 2.0  and does your motherboard does your = motherboard have usb 2.0 and further more does your distro supports that us= b 2.0 chipset.
 
if IDE what type of cable are you using.  are you using a UATA 13= 3 rated cable
 
Scsi which card are you using 
 
Firewire  No questions
 
 
Anyway I seen this problem when the cd burner can not seem to fill its= buffer.  Which causes alot of I/O commands back and forth eating up m= emory and processor time.
 
 
 

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 10:05:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SF5d2h025159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SF5daR025158 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SF5cIJ025154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SF5cNv018576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:38 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SF5Mlc018407 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:22 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SF5Lfi026072 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:05:26 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus In-Reply-To: <31f129860602280634h5541b63ai511c9f31bb1ad667@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> <1a3a3e310602280546m3d9a30afqcfdb16ffbc4b6f01@mail.gmail.com> <31f129860602280634h5541b63ai511c9f31bb1ad667@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On 2/28/06, Levi Bard wrote: >> >>> How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! >> >> s/your/you/ >> s/planing/planning/ > > Well I still can spell Solaris in my sleep. And typos are expected from > weerobby for foo in right wrong ; do echo "Just because someone spells one thing $foo sometimes does not mean he spells it $foo always. It could be a transient thing." done (Admittedly, the odds of transience diminish with repetition.) -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 10:37:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFbSGh025389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:37:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SFbSQ8025388 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:37:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFbSdX025384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:37:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFbSHr020640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:37:28 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFb2oN003946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:37:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 16779 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 09:35:18 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 09:35:18 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8102656C1E for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:37:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44046E3A.4040108@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:37:30 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> <1a3a3e310602280546m3d9a30afqcfdb16ffbc4b6f01@mail.gmail.com> <31f129860602280634h5541b63ai511c9f31bb1ad667@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.334, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.36, BAYES_05 -1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Robert Snyder wrote: > >> On 2/28/06, Levi Bard wrote: >> >>> >>>> How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! >>> >>> >>> s/your/you/ >>> s/planing/planning/ >> >> >> Well I still can spell Solaris in my sleep. And typos are expected from >> weerobby > > > for foo in right wrong ; do > echo "Just because someone spells one thing $foo sometimes does not mean > he spells it $foo always. It could be a transient thing." > done > > (Admittedly, the odds of transience diminish with repetition.) > I no! Letz git red of everone one thee listt whew misspelz stuf! Pal -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 10:39:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFd69r025409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:39:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SFd6Kr025408 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:39:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFd6WM025404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:39:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFd6eK020748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:39:06 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SFcnAd000410 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:38:49 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.101.210.235]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IVE0020XM4KZHC2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:38:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:38:24 -0500 From: Robert Snyder Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44046E70.2070708@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <4400E5DC.5020601@gte.net> <1a3a3e310602280546m3d9a30afqcfdb16ffbc4b6f01@mail.gmail.com> <31f129860602280634h5541b63ai511c9f31bb1ad667@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.015, required 6, AWL -0.03, BAYES_05 -1.11, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Robert Snyder wrote: > >> On 2/28/06, Levi Bard wrote: >>> >>>> How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! >>> >>> s/your/you/ >>> s/planing/planning/ >> >> Well I still can spell Solaris in my sleep. And typos are expected from >> weerobby > > for foo in right wrong ; do > echo "Just because someone spells one thing $foo sometimes does not > mean > he spells it $foo always. It could be a transient thing." > done > > (Admittedly, the odds of transience diminish with repetition.) > We are not talking about to too and two or there their and they're . But only reason I mention it in the first place is that he posted a link where in the url was the word solaris. I could see a mistake of solarus if you ever if you pronounc it as a us like the movie announcer guy did for that really bad george clooney movie Solaris but the way they were saying it made it sound more like Solarus than solaris. But again lets not start in on this I as I wperosnally would like to see how many different ways people would like to spell solaris. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 11:06:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG66jk025634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:06:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SG66IK025633 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:06:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG66Nd025629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:06:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG654D022648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:06:06 -0500 Received: from hannibal.dreamhost.com (ip-205-196-208-25.dreamhost.com [205.196.208.25]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG5gSS003810 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:05:42 -0500 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by hannibal.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDBCAF011 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:05:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <44046E3A.4040108@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <44046E3A.4040108@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602281105.38341.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.59, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.72, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 28 February 2006 10:37, Paul M Foster wrote: > > I no! Letz git red of everone one thee listt whew misspelz stuf! Is that a revversed not at the end of the line?! How doeas that work out? -- Steve Szmidt "For evil to triumph all that is needed is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 11:07:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG7rOF025650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:07:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SG7r1N025649 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:07:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG7rfq025645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:07:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG7qdp022786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:07:52 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SG6Tse009857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:06:29 -0500 Received: (qmail 28348 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 10:05:47 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 10:05:47 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6870056C1E for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:07:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4404755F.3090003@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:07:59 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Console keys in Xterms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.836, required 6, AWL 0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Obviously the keycodes and keyboard handling between the console and an xterm are different. I know how the keymaps work on the console side. But I don't know how it works with xterms. Specifically, I have a program I use at the console which is curses based. When I use it in an xterm, some of the keys I use to edit in the program don't work as expected. From my research, it looks like the left arrow and backspace keys don't work as expected. Anyone know enough about how keyboard mapping works in X to make debugging suggestions? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 11:22:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SGMg6w025810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:22:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SGMgKt025809 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:22:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SGMgTY025805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:22:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SGMc2w023622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:22:42 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.206]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SGMC8k024998 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:22:12 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1134179wri for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:22:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VLN+DzRddJVxxO3hnRG5lfoscaaYoe2OHQj9XV0umbtwoez2d40kGElWrL5yd3W4AaZGRI+v5KPp9Pclu5YJFuOjqsjozchbX4IGDjLrY2FJMrgsD6zK13AAKFmo2IEqPa37Eq/iNPhmXy5v3mf7tI/vZDN9edwDQqohsTxpZqg= Received: by 10.54.82.11 with SMTP id f11mr775383wrb; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:22:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602280822q1c018915t231bfa132585e734@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:22:11 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Console keys in Xterms In-Reply-To: <4404755F.3090003@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4404755F.3090003@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.575, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1SGMgTX025806 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 2/28/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > Obviously the keycodes and keyboard handling between the console and an > xterm are different. I know how the keymaps work on the console side. > But I don't know how it works with xterms. > > Specifically, I have a program I use at the console which is curses > based. When I use it in an xterm, some of the keys I use to edit in the > program don't work as expected. From my research, it looks like the left > arrow and backspace keys don't work as expected. Anyone know enough > about how keyboard mapping works in X to make debugging suggestions? What's the value of your TERM variable in the xterm, and at the console? -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 12:12:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHCUiv026127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:12:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SHCUjm026126 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:12:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHCU6U026122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:12:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHCUJO027251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:12:30 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHCF2S002690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:12:16 -0500 Received: (qmail 20826 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 11:10:32 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 11:10:32 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2D456C12 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:12:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4404848C.2050009@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:12:44 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Console keys in Xterms References: <4404755F.3090003@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e310602280822q1c018915t231bfa132585e734@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602280822q1c018915t231bfa132585e734@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.919, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.55, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > On 2/28/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > >>Obviously the keycodes and keyboard handling between the console and an >>xterm are different. I know how the keymaps work on the console side. >>But I don't know how it works with xterms. >> >>Specifically, I have a program I use at the console which is curses >>based. When I use it in an xterm, some of the keys I use to edit in the >>program don't work as expected. From my research, it looks like the left >>arrow and backspace keys don't work as expected. Anyone know enough >>about how keyboard mapping works in X to make debugging suggestions? > > > What's the value of your TERM variable in the xterm, and at the console? > Console: linux Xterm: xterm -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 12:19:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHJrhL026227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:19:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SHJrAx026226 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:19:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHJq1d026222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:19:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHJqxl027845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:19:52 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SHJUrA012843 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:19:30 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so1145400wra for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:19:29 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qn70jfK66pzLLFqWWv+16ydnCg65/3Ru7JKmY/dhUQ8SV6cfjzPqUZapEKwV10IiDUWu/bzYyT/b2kU9JcJrVwnY7rAHrKRr6XdBfqSxAfkAYqz3bUyczhCU/+X4lPhwK8VzlPU0JAr7lYUaJbaHmp0I3VaEf+d5vCyIOIsWdxA= Received: by 10.54.86.20 with SMTP id j20mr848812wrb; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:19:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602280919j724f3919wb3aface6769583a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:19:29 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Console keys in Xterms In-Reply-To: <4404848C.2050009@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <4404755F.3090003@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e310602280822q1c018915t231bfa132585e734@mail.gmail.com> <4404848C.2050009@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.496, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1SHJr1c026223 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Console: linux > Xterm: xterm Is there any change if you set TERM to linux in your xterm? -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 14:00:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJ0xhY026951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SJ0xnN026950 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJ0xoa026946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJ0wHo002384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:58 -0500 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJ0e19005036 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:41 -0500 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t4so785669wxc for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:00:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=OL1DzoitEGUV2nx//JT+Isa0G/OfphWRhanpvdwiimrXySvUaGTxqW1zsErEp/uYLRUnFrp178y30+9Gp7pErlsXEZK/GRAdx1O3kOQ8YibiqwSmTZS63McIZzDEvkMXm08MHBX9A7ft/M01IYu8/jBrkxnyIrbUc60WiQxRbDw= Received: by 10.70.45.2 with SMTP id s2mr908459wxs; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.88.9 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:00:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:00:28 -0500 From: "Keith Lelacheur" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Local Linux Training MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24607_104363.1141153228915" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.056, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_00_10 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_24607_104363.1141153228915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Good Afternoon Sluggers, It seems that we have installed a VMWare server in the data center and it's base OS is linux (which distro I don't know). Since I am "The Linux Guy" around here and the two folks who hold dominion over the VMWare server are MS administrators, they asked me where they could go locallly to get some Linux courses. I tinker and play, but am by no stretch of the imagination an expert. I figured some slugger out there might have some experience the= y would be willing to share or have some insight that might help. Thanks, Keith ------=_Part_24607_104363.1141153228915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Good Afternoon Sluggers,

It seems that we have installed a VMWare se= rver in the data center and it's base OS is linux (which distro I don't kno= w).  Since I am "The Linux Guy" around here and the two folk= s who hold dominion over the VMWare server are MS administrators, they aske= d me where they could go locallly to get some Linux courses.  I tinker= and play, but am by no stretch of the imagination an expert.  I figur= ed some slugger out there might have some experience they would be willing = to share or have some insight that might help.

Thanks,

Keith
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On 2/28/06, = Keith Lelacheur <themercu= ryman@gmail.com> wrote:
Good Afternoon Sluggers,

= It seems that we have installed a VMWare server in the data center and it's= base OS is linux (which distro I don't know).  Since I am "The L= inux Guy" around here and the two folks who hold dominion over the VMW= are server are MS administrators, they asked me where they could go localll= y to get some Linux courses.  I tinker and play, but am by no stretch = of the imagination an expert.  I figured some slugger out there might = have some experience they would be willing to share or have some insight th= at might help.=20

Thanks,

Keith

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 14:59:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJxqwb027331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:59:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SJxqGV027330 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:59:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJxpRO027326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:59:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJxpO9007067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:59:51 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SJxNAe031688 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:59:23 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so518118wra for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Sar5BJvsAipEunHaQOWlbXFJPdrJ0oGQ2MS23gaOHiNfjpFHMZeyTNag7LgWX2Tiep8+N77GVk2likmX0pUOGA9B1p+NWX+8EYazMpiRuaE6fUGxQhtrMyIuqEFCxKv9tePRpL07VKF/bBLuOJ5U+BTviyRyWowiA/O1Ey6L324= Received: by 10.54.112.20 with SMTP id k20mr1009744wrc; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:59:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602281159p3b2c382as1de689ec72fd67f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:59:22 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Local Linux Training In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.525, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k1SJxpRN027327 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What about LPI? http://www.lpi.org IMO nothing beats a good book and a test machine, though. -- Debianista! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 15:41:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKfMGu027682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:41:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SKfMMK027681 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:41:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKfL5k027677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:41:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKfLfD010311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:41:21 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKf8Wt026108 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:41:08 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SKf7bw019097 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:41:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:41:12 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Local Linux Training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: It seems that we have installed a VMWare server in the data center and it's > base OS is linux (which distro I don't know). Since I am "The Linux Guy" > around here and the two folks who hold dominion over the VMWare server are > MS administrators, they asked me where they could go locallly to get some > Linux courses. I tinker and play, but am by no stretch of the imagination > an expert. I figured some slugger out there might have some experience they > would be willing to share or have some insight that might help. I've used Windows-in-VMware-on-Linux but not the other way around. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 15:59:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKxuUA027776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:59:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SKxuuE027775 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:59:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKxuKQ027771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:59:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKxu8R011491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:59:56 -0500 Received: from serv.stabilityhost.com (serv.stabilityhost.com [207.44.160.9]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SKxYrp018236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:59:35 -0500 Received: (qmail 1839 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 14:57:46 -0600 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net (HELO sherman.mars.lan) (71.98.166.169) by serv.stabilityhost.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 14:57:46 -0600 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CFC56C12 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:59:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4404B9CE.9030403@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:59:58 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051017) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Console keys in Xterms References: <4404755F.3090003@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e310602280822q1c018915t231bfa132585e734@mail.gmail.com> <4404848C.2050009@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e310602280919j724f3919wb3aface6769583a0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602280919j724f3919wb3aface6769583a0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.804, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.66, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >>Console: linux >>Xterm: xterm > > > Is there any change if you set TERM to linux in your xterm? > No difference. However, there are other oddities. I had the source around for the prior version, so I decided to compile that in an xterm and see if it made any difference. Worked great! But it was 1.9.17, not the latest 1.9.18. So I downloaded the source for the Debian 1.9.18 version, and compiled it. It *didn't* work properly. I'd have to diff the whole source tree to find the differences, and then weed out the ones that are actually relevant. Ugh. So the earlier version works. But I'm still curious about how the keyboard infrastructure works in X as opposed to the console. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 18:25:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNPlBd028870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SNPlRl028869 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNPknY028865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNPkk9022015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:46 -0500 Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNPHZl001169 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:17 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Y8xgMbV435OV0rxaigez6+NEFiSmQgqDE77LjXq8n7P39n5JLQnPAagW2MZGPIhw; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FEEDU-0004bN-K2 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:16 -0500 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:25:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <44046E70.2070708@gte.net> In-Reply-To: <44046E70.2070708@gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602281825.16064.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c26098e83ab46a370a9f5d6c0bd9d9f16789aa2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.521, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.41, BAYES_05 -1.11) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 28 February 2006 10:38 am, Robert Snyder wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Robert Snyder wrote: > >> On 2/28/06, Levi Bard wrote: > >>>> How many times are your planing to misspell the word SOLARIS! > >>> > >>> s/your/you/ > >>> s/planing/planning/ > >> > >> Well I still can spell Solaris in my sleep. And typos are expected from > >> weerobby > > > > for foo in right wrong ; do > > echo "Just because someone spells one thing $foo sometimes does not > > mean > > he spells it $foo always. It could be a transient thing." > > done > > > > (Admittedly, the odds of transience diminish with repetition.) > > We are not talking about to too and two or there their and they're . > But only reason I mention it in the first place is that he posted a link > where in the url was the word solaris. I could see a mistake of > solarus if you ever if you pronounc it as a us like the movie > announcer guy did for that really bad george clooney movie Solaris but > the way they were saying it made it sound more like Solarus than > solaris. But again lets not start in on this I as I wperosnally would > like to see how many different ways people would like to spell solaris. Hi All Sorry for the confusion but as this has became an issue I will explain. Some of you may recall that two or maybe it was three months back I tried to install the JDBC and ODBC connectors so that I could access Mysql databases in my laptop. The end results of this was that I crashed the laptop as the latest [at that time] Mandrake 10.1 connectors were incompatible with Mandrake 10.1. Bottom line system crashed and I reinstall complete system. Since that time I have been deligently attempting to establish exactly what system I would like to install back in the laptop. Mandrake is out because of current policies of charging for downloads and Mandrake club issues. What does this have to do with the spelling error. Simple I half ass did a reinstall. Some portions work some do not and I see no reason to fix the parts that do not as this system is going to be upgraded as soon as possible. One of the thing that is misconfigured is my screen. It is almost impossible to read. Meaning "o"s and "a"s look a lot alike. so if one is in a hurry one can easily read Salaras as being spelled correct as Solaras. Sorry for the inconvenience. SOTL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 18:58:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNwvv9029045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:58:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k1SNwv7C029044 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:58:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNwukM029040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:58:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNwuxl024164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:58:56 -0500 Received: from centrmmtao03.cox.net (centrmmtao03.cox.net [70.168.83.81]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k1SNwYAF012885 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:58:34 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060228235826.BOKO613.centrmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:58:26 -0500 Message-ID: <4404F283.3000305@cox.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:01:55 -0600 From: michael hast User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <44046E70.2070708@gte.net> <200602281825.16064.sotl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200602281825.16064.sotl155360@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.461, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >so if one is in a hurry one >can easily read Salaras as being spelled correct as Solaras. > >Sorry for the inconvenience. > >SOTL > > but... ...it's Solaris, right? -- --Michael Hast (the evyl robot) I'm not picking my nose. I'm pulling things out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 19:14:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k210EkBo029195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:14:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k210Eklv029194 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:14:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k210Eki4029190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:14:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k210EjOK025635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:14:46 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k210ESjr017883 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:14:28 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SOgYEzxNHh4DBaXWwULtov0HT918bcVO36y7U+VdyTFczYbBqQLKEyQ/rvsKU5/D; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FEEz5-0003IM-Py for slug@nks.net; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:14:27 -0500 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:14:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <200602281825.16064.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <4404F283.3000305@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <4404F283.3000305@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602281914.27085.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: 32fd4bf6a6c5bee97154633101454da3239a348a220c2609b6a3afbd831b567833bd7a9fc32b50342601a10902912494350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.41, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -2.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 28 February 2006 08:01 pm, michael hast wrote: > >so if one is in a hurry one > >can easily read Salaras as being spelled correct as Solaras. > > > >Sorry for the inconvenience. > > > >SOTL > > but... ...it's Solaris, right? What ever. Thanks SOTL ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 21:19:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212JjL5030148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k212Jjlk030147 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212Ji5e030143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212JiiS032747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:44 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212JPVh028137 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:26 -0500 Received: from [192.168.15.100] (57-150.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.150.57]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k212JNPm026998; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <440504AF.6050001@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:19:27 -0500 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] a CD-R writing question References: <4403C8D3.1090809@tampabay.rr.com> <31f129860602280641u51d3e8few755a3c4dd2b493e7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f129860602280641u51d3e8few755a3c4dd2b493e7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.399, required 6, AWL -1.60, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_53 0.60) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Some questions that need to be answered > What Interface is it ? > IDE/SCSI/USB/Firewire/SATA IDE in fact /dev/hdb the iso images are always on /dev/hdd > if IDE what type of cable are you using. are you using a UATA 133 rated cable 80 pin udma 133 with udma 133 hard drives on a udma 100 mommy board > Anyway I seen this problem when the cd burner can not seem to fill its buffer. > Which causes a lot of I/O commands back and forth eating up memory and processor time. The problem is not the burn, which goes smoothly at 8 or 12 X (and nothing in between?) with every mommy board+CPU and CD-R writer that I have ever owned, currently using a Plextor PleXwriter 12/10/34A. It is the "Fixating" which lasts over 20 seconds seems to use 99% of the system's resources, freezing every other operation, (windows users friends of mine HAVE observed a similar thing, in different ways) while "gnome system monitor" fails to show any noticeable change to the CPU usage, the "memory used" does drop slightly when the write is complete. (I use the latest version of cdrecord) the tail of one of my CD-R write logs: Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 0 of 668 MB written. Track 01: 668 of 668 MB written (fifo 100%) - [buf 87%] 12.6x. Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 701478912/701478912 (342519 sectors). Writing time: 394.832s Average write speed 11.8x. Min drive buffer fill was 86% Fixating... Fixating time: 25.477s cdrecord: fifo had 11049 puts and 11049 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 6173 times full, min fill was 99%. < original message - Does anyone know why "Fixating" a "CD-R write" (closing the disk) causes the computer to crawl to a stop (causing the mouse pointer on the X windows system to become a black X) as I write the CD-R (or RW) in LINUX in a virtual console - while the "gnome system monitor" fails to show any noticeable change to the CPU usage, the "memory used" does drop when the write is complete. (windows users friends of mine HAVE observed the same thing, in a different way) At first I thought it might be the computer calculating the directory structure, but the "directory structure" must already be in the iso image or we wouldn't be able to mount and browse the iso image. -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 21:21:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212Lcbs030186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:21:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k212LcRc030185 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:21:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212Lc99030181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:21:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212Lb6E000433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:21:37 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k212LBQI012586 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:21:11 -0500 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so26017wri for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:21:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PJ1Cw6+ia5GAa9igpAvFnAlwZst06+4CXZ+OoHRdrNP0q/+bYhe6Oz/iHEk96VEVD6EMkrsRAznpdX2c0xpul/ejvEys88NKJcGrAqrXSv4CRRRI67ICctYfWfbmtq2yYT+l4S1VD541Ei2pJfjL1riEo/q9DgY1hW8eYNBH6ac= Received: by 10.54.86.20 with SMTP id j20mr1415442wrb; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.101.4 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:21:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310602281821r57e864e1ycca85805ad2b09b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:21:01 -0600 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus In-Reply-To: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.87, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.95, TW_JW 0.08) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k212Lc98030182 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hah - my fiancee and I recently played with Solaris CE/OpenSolaris for x86. It was a horrible experience. First we tried the DVD installer, since we didn't want to mess around shuffling CDs. The installer was pretty nice, with the exception of the parts that actually did things. The partitioning tool was particularly craptastic. For one thing, Solaris apparently refuses to install on an extended logical partition. This is somewhat annoying, as we'd set aside a 15G extended partition specifically for it. Also, it detected that we had linux partitions on the machine, and strongly recommended we wipe them out before installing Solaris. So, we rebooted into GNU/Linux, did some partition shuffling with gparted and friends, and booted the install DVD again for a second try. This time, we discovered that the provided partitioning tool wouldn't let us create more than one partition of the type Solaris uses. And, surprise, Solaris uses the same partition type that GNU/Linux uses for swap! So, we had to relabel the swap partition as a DOS partition (the tool had very few options for partition types, along the lines of DOS, Solaris, and maybe one more) in order to have the empty partition labeled as a Solaris partition. So, we finally had a partition on which we could start installing; we made slices for the filesystems, answered a few hardware questions, and we were on to the actual software installation. The package chooser was nearly as impressive as the disk utility. First and most annoying, the packages were listed in some arbitrary, non-alphabetical order, in order to offer installers the enjoyment of scrolling up and down the entire list to find, say, a C compiler. Second of all, most of the packages had very poor descriptions, along the lines of: * jwxSUNW46: binary files for jwxSUNW46 * jwxSUNW46-lib-dev: lib-dev files for jwxSUNW46 (nowhere an explanation of what jwxSUNW46 was, or why we would/wouldn't want it, or if anything depended on it, or even if it was recommended for installation) Third, there was *no* interactive dependency resolution. For example, we unmarked apache, jakarta, and tomcat, because we had no intention of running a webserver, let alone jsp/etc. We got no warnings or anything of the sort. When we were done selecting and unselecting packages, we pressed next to go on. Lo! Behold! A giant list of things that could not be installed because the things they depended on were not selected! So, we had to go back, click packages on and off, try again, read the resulting messages, repeat repeat repeat repeat repeat. Finally we got a magical combination of packages that would let us continue with the installation, and continue we did. We let the package installer churn overnight, and were able to finish the installation without further hitches. It did prompt us for an optional Solaris Companion Software disc, which we didn't have and hadn't even seen a link for, so we chose "skip." The Solaris installer overrode our existing grub menu, but we had expected that. At least it had a pretty Finally, we got the pretty Solaris logon screen (on one monitor - the other was a pretty canvas of random garbage). We logged in, chose Sun Java Desktop(GNOME) as our desktop environment, and within a few seconds were sitting in front of what looked like a Windows 2000 desktop. One thing I noticed is that many of the standard applications' menu items had been renamed. For example, instead of "Mozilla" and "The Gimp," we had "Web Browser" and "Image Editor." Tosha had a small C program to write for class, so she figured she may as well do it in Solaris now that we'd gotten it running. We soon found out, there was no gcc(!) - even though we selected it during the installation. We checked the docs and checked our paths, and it just wasn't there. During the course of our search, we noticed a *lot* of the software we'd marked for installation wasn't there - apparently, most of the common free software available for selection inside the installer is on the Companion CD. Fine. Next she tried the Sun C compiler, which was installed. First, we had to do a lot of monkeying with paths, because cc was not in the default path - in fact, very few things were in the default path. Most of the useful software was somewhere in the /opt tree. Apparently, however, it was not installed correctly, because it consistently gave a very strange link error which had nothing to do with the code being compiled. Once again, we dug through docs, but found nothing of much relevance or help. Next, we tried downloading a binary of gcc from sunfreeware.com. We quickly ran into dependency issues and gave up. We decided we must have gotten a corrupted install - surely nothing would ship with that many things missing and broken. (And don't call me Shirley!) We decided to reinstall. This time we got the CD install images, and were able to find a Companion CD image that seemed to correspond with them. We ran the install again, and everything seemed fine for the first CD. Although the checksums matched, the installer refused to see any of the subsequent discs. But we'd already overwritten the previous install. Joy! Hopefully the third time was going to be the charm. We installed from the DVD again. When the time came to insert the Companion CD, the installer wouldn't recognize it. We hit skip again, let the install finish without it, mounted the CD, and ran the CD's installer from there. This finally let us get some decent (if ancient) software installed. Hooray, gcc 2.95! Since we had a working C compiler, we decided to install Galeon, Tosha's browser of choice. This required us to get much newer versions of the GTK+ libraries than the ones that had been installed. After chasing down all the requisites (glib, atk, pango, ...), we began compiling them. Unfortunately, no matter what we did, we were unable to get the GTK+ configure script to see that pango was installed, even by passing it the path. While it was perhaps not Solaris's fault that we couldn't build GTK+, the fact that there was only a poor selection of ancient software available for install certainly was, and this was the last straw for us. For crying out loud, we could have installed Slackware 8 and had the same currency of software, except it would have worked out of the box without a lot of futzing. We never got around to actually looking at or building the actual OpenSolaris source, because we were hoping for a usable system first. If you've actually read down this far, go get yourself a cookie; you've earned it. So, as you may be able to guess, our impression of OpenSolaris: not impressed. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 22:22:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213MF3C030635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:22:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k213MFWx030634 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:22:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213MFCE030630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:22:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213MEoD003555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:22:14 -0500 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213LvnN007573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:21:58 -0500 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-100-9-188.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.100.9.188]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k213HUnm014619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:17:33 -0800 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FEHuT-0000XP-6H for slug@nks.net; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:21:53 -0500 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: OpenSalarus Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:21:52 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200602250851.55437.sotl155360@earthlink.net> <1a3a3e310602281821r57e864e1ycca85805ad2b09b4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310602281821r57e864e1ycca85805ad2b09b4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602282221.52957.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:17:34 -0800 (PST) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.1, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.42, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_JW 0.08) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 28 February 2006 21:21, Levi Bard wrote: > The package chooser was nearly as impressive as the disk utility. > First and most annoying, the packages were listed in some arbitrary, > non-alphabetical order, in order to offer installers the enjoyment of > scrolling up and down the entire list to find, say, a C compiler. > Second of all, most of the packages had very poor descriptions, along > the lines of: > * jwxSUNW46: binary files for jwxSUNW46 > * jwxSUNW46-lib-dev: lib-dev files for jwxSUNW46 > (nowhere an explanation of what jwxSUNW46 was, or why we > would/wouldn't want it, or if anything depended on it, or even if it > was recommended for installation) Are you sure you didn't install Solaris 8 by mistake? Brings back memories... > We logged in, chose Sun Java Desktop(GNOME) as our desktop > environment, and within a few seconds were sitting in front of what > looked like a Windows 2000 desktop. One thing I noticed is that many > of the standard applications' menu items had been renamed. For > example, instead of "Mozilla" and "The Gimp," we had "Web Browser" and > "Image Editor." Even Linux distros tend to do that to the application names, so that part shouldn't be a huge surprise at least. > Since we had a working C compiler, we decided to install Galeon, > Tosha's browser of choice. This required us to get much newer > versions of the GTK+ libraries than the ones that had been installed. > After chasing down all the requisites (glib, atk, pango, ...), we > began compiling them. Unfortunately, no matter what we did, we were > unable to get the GTK+ configure script to see that pango was > installed, even by passing it the path. While it was perhaps not > Solaris's fault that we couldn't build GTK+, the fact that there was > only a poor selection of ancient software available for install > certainly was, and this was the last straw for us. For crying out > loud, we could have installed Slackware 8 and had the same currency of > software, except it would have worked out of the box without a lot of > futzing. We never got around to actually looking at or building the > actual OpenSolaris source, because we were hoping for a usable system > first. If you've actually read down this far, go get yourself a > cookie; you've earned it. If you were using gcc to compile, you'll notice it'll link stuff that may not be found at runtime. Solaris has a pretty basic list of runtime stuff available. You might want to try `crle` (I think) and add stuff like /usr/local/lib and maybe /opt/lib to your runtime linker path for stuff installed from SFW. (Make sure you include /lib and /usr/lib first, as if you don't include them in the list of paths you'll end up stuff not finding /lib and /usr/lib...) You've kind of dissuaded me from trying Open Solaris. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Feb 28 22:32:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213WvMw030696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k213WvQe030695 for slug-track29; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213Wv28030691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213WvFD004076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:57 -0500 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-smtplb.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k213WhgW005736 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:44 -0500 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k213Wglx029312 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:32:48 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel version? In-Reply-To: <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> Message-ID: References: <4400D643.9090304@cox.net> <200602271251.58322.steve@szmidt.org> <200602271808.08110.steve@szmidt.org> X-GetARealMailreader: On Monday 27 February 2006 15:45, Eben King wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, steve szmidt wrote: >>> There could very well be all of them. Fortunately it's very easy to write >>> a driver under Linux unlike it's windows counterpart. Few drivers are >>> without bugs under windows. >> >> Oh, so that makes it OK? "Look, they're bad too." Why not strive to write >> the best code possible? Oh yeah, closed source is why. >> >> Well, it's nice that you're satisfied with (possible) mediocrity. > > Yeah in a perfect world we'd have it. I'm all for open source everywhere > feasable. As it is I'd rather have the better closed source driver than the > open source one. > > Why are you using it? Because it's significantly faster than the Open Source one. > By your own considerations you certainly have settled for "(possible) > mediocrity" by using it. Har har see how evil it is, yes I'm using it too, > kind of stuff. If you don't like closed source why use it, eh? I don't see it as hypocritical to drive yet complain about the DMV, or have a phone yet whine about Verizon. Yes, you could ride a bike everywhere and cut yourself off from the world. Some people do it. > I've written both. I've made money on both. Some companies are still running > what I wrote over 20 years ago. Making money on closed is definitely easier. > Open feels better, like a contribution to the world. I take it since you feel > so strongly about open source you must have contributed too. Not just had a > free ride... If I could program worth a darn, I would. I can't yet. With practice... > Too many people find reasons to hate and call each other evil, rather than > focusing on the positive. I'm sure you are a nice guy and all that. I don't think that on the whole they're bad guys, it's just that some things could change. It isn't an "all or nothing" deal. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.