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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 01:58:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k415wD1h018878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 01:58:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k415wDqR018877 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 01:58:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k415wBQ7018868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 1 May 2006 01:58:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k415wBIR005084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 1 May 2006 01:58:11 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k415voJO005942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 1 May 2006 01:57:50 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaRPp-0006wa-Jk; Mon, 01 May 2006 01:57:49 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 755AC56D9F; Mon, 1 May 2006 01:57:47 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060501055747.755AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 01:57:47 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.261, required 6, AWL -1.08, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 4 May 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 02:54:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k416sHGu019339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 02:54:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k416sHjD019338 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 02:54:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k416sGeW019334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 02:54:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k416sGKD009229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 02:54:16 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k416s8ZL003223 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 02:54:08 -0400 Received: from [70.210.30.231] by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IYK00GO8R64VB49@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 01:54:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 02:55:24 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.227, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.37, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > On 4/26/06, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >>On Wednesday 26 April 2006 21:55, Dylan William Hardison wrote: >> >>>if (SDL_BYTEORDER == SDL_BIG_ENDIAN) { >>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[0], colorptr[1], >>>colorptr[2], colorptr[3]); >>>} else { >>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[3], colorptr[2], >>>colorptr[1], colorptr[0]); >>>} >>> >>What language is that? Ha! The non-programmer speaks. > > it is C. Hi Dylan, Everybody! What is your recommendation for a basic tutorial in C or "pig" programming (i.e: whatever we will be using on pig), for that matter. I need to start somewhere. Are these free ones any good? http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml I have a charity project that I have been working on for ten years. I have a data design and a number of tables but I lack programming ability to get anything out of these. On a related matter, there is some discussion on C, a little about C+ and rather more on C++? What makes C + or ++? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 03:11:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417BCsO019509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:11:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k417BCQb019508 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:11:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417BBC4019504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:11:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417BBGQ010980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:11:11 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417Apvs011669 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:10:52 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k417AouK007665 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 03:11:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-Reply-To: <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> Message-ID: References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> X-GetARealMailreader: Hi Dylan, Everybody! > > What is your recommendation for a basic tutorial in C or "pig" programming > (i.e: whatever we will be using on pig), for that matter. I need to start > somewhere. Are these free ones any good? > > http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml > > I have a charity project that I have been working on for ten years. I have a > data design and a number of tables but I lack programming ability to get > anything out of these. > > On a related matter, there is some discussion on C, a little about C+ and > rather more on C++? What makes C + or ++? Never heard of "C+". "++" is a C thing (bash and maybe other have picked it up too) meaning "increment". E.G., "x++" means "x=x+1". It's just shorthand. Likewise for "--" = "decrement". The designers were saying that "C++" is one better than C, I think. As to the main question, sorry, dunno. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar LEO: Now is not a good time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss' face, oh no. Eat a bucket of tuna-flavored pudding and wash it down with a gallon of strawberry Quik. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 03:55:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417tjlO019852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:55:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k417tj3E019851 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:55:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417tj16019847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:55:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417tix6017611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:55:44 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k417tYJw020674 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 03:55:35 -0400 Received: from [70.210.30.231] by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IYK000U4U0I2HH4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 02:55:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 03:56:50 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4455BF42.1090307@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.855, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.74, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: >> On a related matter, there is some discussion on C, a little about C+ >> and rather more on C++? What makes C + or ++? > > > Never heard of "C+". "++" is a C thing (bash and maybe other have > picked it up too) meaning "increment". E.G., "x++" means "x=x+1". It's > just shorthand. Likewise for "--" = "decrement". The designers were > saying that "C++" is one better than C, I think. Hi Eben! Maybe people speaking of C+ are just shortcutting for C++? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 11:42:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Fg9jU023679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:42:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41Fg9IP023678 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:42:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Fg9Lf023674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:42:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Fg8ro021366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:42:09 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.224]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Ffwxc021157 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:41:58 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1424445wra for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dT5c25cslLZ7kRED5ZXEMbuvokk27R0qUNjK9ng0wLmF6Gi9TvYNhEdeCoIy0La6EUaJ2npTKnkAxIo/kIkymawy0Bc7yTsakDhe9ZPD/uueGZOc7fdeR0xYkCwdKqbMEqq/bN4Eb2LzD7rgMJwalCmoJLJpWAsLZuFhStJBY3U= Received: by 10.54.152.10 with SMTP id z10mr4010412wrd; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605010841j442984d0pf0b0ad89f90d65ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:41:58 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-Reply-To: <4455BF42.1090307@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> <4455BF42.1090307@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.08, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k41Fg9Le023675 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Maybe people speaking of C+ are just shortcutting for C++? People speaking of C+ have no idea what they're speaking about. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 11:44:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Fiarg023701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:44:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41FiaQV023700 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:44:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41FiaWR023696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:44:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41FiarP021444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:44:36 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.236]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41FiIEb018102 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:44:19 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1424832wra for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:44:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iJm/VVb8+X56EPjriXTw8jGt6AwCpbI8Qds/dmxUU8Jx3YYqGUK6APCOn1bprdhwqmdOxHbDxqOpuukpEUPS4U6v5FKdRkn0wc/tKWQiFtIvp/XRH+jnabQjXekL2Bkrku6PBtbf1hxVzBA2E5K/NpFoUdzrqdUiNKbFaUmapg4= Received: by 10.54.126.13 with SMTP id y13mr296912wrc; Mon, 01 May 2006 08:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 08:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605010844i2fb507dep20314860bef77015@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:44:18 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-Reply-To: <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.892, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.15, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k41FiaWQ023697 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Are these free ones any good? > > http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml I can't comment on most of these books; however, I've found the programming-related "In 21 Days" and "In 24 Hours" books to generally be horrible. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 11:56:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Fuvv4023774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:56:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41FuvKZ023773 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:56:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41FuuC4023769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:56:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41FuuIh022397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:56:56 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41FumgK019196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:56:48 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaalT-000859-E6 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 11:56:47 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E5456D9E for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 11:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44562FBD.20009@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:56:45 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.276, required 6, AWL -1.98, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net petetheisen wrote: > Dylan William Hardison wrote: >> On 4/26/06, Mario Lombardo wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday 26 April 2006 21:55, Dylan William Hardison wrote: >>> >>>> if (SDL_BYTEORDER == SDL_BIG_ENDIAN) { >>>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[0], colorptr[1], >>>> colorptr[2], colorptr[3]); >>>> } else { >>>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[3], colorptr[2], >>>> colorptr[1], colorptr[0]); >>>> } >>>> >>> What language is that? Ha! The non-programmer speaks. >> >> it is C. > > Hi Dylan, Everybody! > > What is your recommendation for a basic tutorial in C or "pig" > programming (i.e: whatever we will be using on pig), for that matter. I > need to start somewhere. Are these free ones any good? > > http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml > As always, the best tutorial for C is "The C Programming Language" by Kernighan and Richie. This is the original book on the language. It is concise and not too hard to follow. > I have a charity project that I have been working on for ten years. I > have a data design and a number of tables but I lack programming ability > to get anything out of these. > Let me offer this: For years, I've programmed in C. It's the language I'm most comfortable with. But one of the biggest problems with C (from my perspective) is that C has no native user interface library. This is by design. But to write any sort of kewl program, you have to link in the curses library or wxwidgets, or the fox toolkit, or some other interface library, particularly if you want something GUI. Using these libraries is a whole education in itself. Very complicated, and according to most people, most of these libraries tend to render differently depending on the platform. Enter PHP. PHP has a syntax nearly identical to C, and uses many of the same functions to do its work. PHP is designed to work in a browser, and allows you to embed HTML in its scripts to make pages look the way you want in your browser. You can code nice looking applications in a fraction of the time it would take you with C, and they'll run on any platform with a browser. > On a related matter, there is some discussion on C, a little about C+ > and rather more on C++? What makes C + or ++? > As already mentioned, there is no such thing as C+. It's called C++, and was built by Bjarne Stroustrup as a follow-on to C. I believe it was originally called "C with Classes", but eventually was turned into C++, in a play on the C increment operator, "++". C++ adds object-orientation and classes to C and extends its syntax in various ways. You can still write well-formed C programs and have them compile and run in a C++ compiler. If you don't intend to become a professional programmer, I'd suggest C rather than C++, as C is easier to understand. The intricacies of classes and objects can be quite difficult to grasp at times. Note that the linux kernel is written in C, so it's quite good enough for a major project with millions of lines of code. Also, though I can't speak for Dylan, I imagine he intended the PIG posts to be language-agnostic. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 12:21:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GLEhc024055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41GLEWk024054 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GLD0R024050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GLDEV024212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:13 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GKmgW017799 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:20:52 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1430701wra for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dWsomt+8KBCXZuWfY7DetdP4VzzIYDoOc6NvxOJhyqdWPEPj5oiStCvV8ms/dz8eFwY3O3QTn9XwhEPCOw3dhkPakRG8iT06vUHio26ttVhQ2Vm21kV3zykdd5ctevN5rAId3SIy/8q3tTIe6kD1PdY2+OGpEhEsPcBe2Ct9MbI= Received: by 10.54.100.11 with SMTP id x11mr168044wrb; Mon, 01 May 2006 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 09:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605010920n2baef52cq6f7cbed63f7054b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:20:48 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-Reply-To: <44562FBD.20009@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> <44562FBD.20009@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.418, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.42, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k41GLD0Q024051 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > As always, the best tutorial for C is "The C Programming Language" by > Kernighan and Richie. This is the original book on the language. It is > concise and not too hard to follow. Has the K&R book been updated to be ANSI/ISO compliant? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 12:38:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GcVLj024146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:38:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41GcVpL024145 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:38:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GcUIH024141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:38:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GcUcC025043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:38:30 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GcIgf011239 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:38:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([71.98.138.253]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IYL001LTI7UUM93@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 11:38:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:38:18 -0400 From: John Kinary Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-reply-to: <44562FBD.20009@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4456397A.3@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> <44562FBD.20009@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.425, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > petetheisen wrote: >> Dylan William Hardison wrote: >>> On 4/26/06, Mario Lombardo wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday 26 April 2006 21:55, Dylan William Hardison wrote: >>>> >>>>> if (SDL_BYTEORDER == SDL_BIG_ENDIAN) { >>>>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[0], colorptr[1], >>>>> colorptr[2], colorptr[3]); >>>>> } else { >>>>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[3], colorptr[2], >>>>> colorptr[1], colorptr[0]); >>>>> } >>>>> >>>> What language is that? Ha! The non-programmer speaks. >>> >>> it is C. >> >> Hi Dylan, Everybody! >> >> What is your recommendation for a basic tutorial in C or "pig" >> programming (i.e: whatever we will be using on pig), for that matter. >> I need to start somewhere. Are these free ones any good? >> >> http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml >> > > As always, the best tutorial for C is "The C Programming Language" by > Kernighan and Richie. This is the original book on the language. It is > concise and not too hard to follow. > >> I have a charity project that I have been working on for ten years. I >> have a data design and a number of tables but I lack programming >> ability to get anything out of these. >> > > Let me offer this: For years, I've programmed in C. It's the language > I'm most comfortable with. But one of the biggest problems with C > (from my perspective) is that C has no native user interface library. > This is by design. But to write any sort of kewl program, you have to > link in the curses library or wxwidgets, or the fox toolkit, or some > other interface library, particularly if you want something GUI. Using > these libraries is a whole education in itself. Very complicated, and > according to most people, most of these libraries tend to render > differently depending on the platform. > > Enter PHP. PHP has a syntax nearly identical to C, and uses many of > the same functions to do its work. PHP is designed to work in a > browser, and allows you to embed HTML in its scripts to make pages > look the way you want in your browser. You can code nice looking > applications in a fraction of the time it would take you with C, and > they'll run on any platform with a browser. > >> On a related matter, there is some discussion on C, a little about C+ >> and rather more on C++? What makes C + or ++? >> > > As already mentioned, there is no such thing as C+. It's called C++, > and was built by Bjarne Stroustrup as a follow-on to C. I believe it > was originally called "C with Classes", but eventually was turned into > C++, in a play on the C increment operator, "++". C++ adds > object-orientation and classes to C and extends its syntax in various > ways. You can still write well-formed C programs and have them compile > and run in a C++ compiler. If you don't intend to become a > professional programmer, I'd suggest C rather than C++, as C is easier > to understand. The intricacies of classes and objects can be quite > difficult to grasp at times. Note that the linux kernel is written in > C, so it's quite good enough for a major project with millions of > lines of code. > > Also, though I can't speak for Dylan, I imagine he intended the PIG > posts to be language-agnostic. > > Paul > "The C Programming Language" is a very good book. Make sure that you get the Second Edition. It covers the ANSI C standards. The ANSI standards have changed over the years so this book might have a newer edition. I have taught programming languages before. I don't think "The C Programming Language" is a book for non-programmers. I would go to a bookstore, that has a good selection of IT books, and get one that, for you, is easy to understand. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 12:50:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GoVd5024237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:50:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41GoVwT024236 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:50:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GoRk8024232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:50:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41GoQtK025523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:50:26 -0400 Received: from astro.phpwebhosting.com (42.f6.5546.static.theplanet.com [70.85.246.66]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k41Go8RY001490 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:50:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 29474 invoked from network); 1 May 2006 16:50:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO flint.typedef.org) (71.228.83.196) by 4a.f6.5546.static.theplanet.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:50:11 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=jcopenha) by flint.typedef.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Fabbv-000179-5U for slug@nks.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:50:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:50:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jason Copenhaver X-X-Sender: jcopenha@localhost To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605010920n2baef52cq6f7cbed63f7054b1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> <44562FBD.20009@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e310605010920n2baef52cq6f7cbed63f7054b1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.737, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 1 May 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> As always, the best tutorial for C is "The C Programming Language" by >> Kernighan and Richie. This is the original book on the language. It is >> concise and not too hard to follow. > > Has the K&R book been updated to be ANSI/ISO compliant? Yes there is a version of K&R for ANSI C, but it is C89 not C99. I don't know if there is a book covering the C99 features. Jason ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 14:02:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41I2eHY024827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:02:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41I2ek5024826 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:02:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41I2ewu024822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:02:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41I2e9A029706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:02:40 -0400 Received: from ij.net (mail.ij.net [207.22.166.253]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41I2R3R017870 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:02:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unverified [209.216.68.135]) by ij.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 178174692 for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 14:06:16 -0400 Message-ID: <44564D27.70904@ij.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:02:15 -0400 From: Paddy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> <44562FBD.20009@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e310605010920n2baef52cq6f7cbed63f7054b1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605010920n2baef52cq6f7cbed63f7054b1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=329229864 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >> As always, the best tutorial for C is "The C Programming Language" by >> Kernighan and Richie. This is the original book on the language. It is >> concise and not too hard to follow. > > Has the K&R book been updated to be ANSI/ISO compliant? > > -- > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > If anyone is interested, I have a number of books on C, C++, Perl, Snort, Apache, Unix, Computer Security and much much more. I am going home to Alaska for good on the 20th of May. I don't want to take all this stuff with me so, give me an email at my private email address and I'll make you a deal you can't refuse. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 15:22:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JMBGs025474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:22:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41JMBDd025473 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:22:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JMAuI025469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:22:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JMAxh001453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:22:10 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.239]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JLrjg026247 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:21:53 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1460680wra for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:21:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fVCUIli42tvueLJUHlsT2iPJUdUgMHJuuiJiGJL7Xcn2PkPX1LkBOCTDZ+fnNh3shvHdORDLR5r71X2ktRO8/qPhoHtI+MfNcEOaeGJ9s/CNSZGf/MNrwuWTJ/bjmwNT75+BVdPRyJlr2hPGENTZafSDQINd2rFNjcoGPBKwWFg= Received: by 10.54.110.17 with SMTP id i17mr592075wrc; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.100.15 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:21:53 -0400 From: "Dylan William Hardison" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post In-Reply-To: <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200604262323.56041.mario@alienscience.com> <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.728, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k41JMAuH025470 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/1/06, petetheisen wrote: > Dylan William Hardison wrote: > > On 4/26/06, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > > >>On Wednesday 26 April 2006 21:55, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >> > >>>if (SDL_BYTEORDER == SDL_BIG_ENDIAN) { > >>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[0], colorptr[1], > >>>colorptr[2], colorptr[3]); > >>>} else { > >>> color = SDL_MapRGBA(dst->format, colorptr[3], colorptr[2], > >>>colorptr[1], colorptr[0]); > >>>} > >>> > >>What language is that? Ha! The non-programmer speaks. > > > > it is C. > > Hi Dylan, Everybody! > > What is your recommendation for a basic tutorial in C or "pig" > programming (i.e: whatever we will be using on pig), for that matter. I > need to start somewhere. Are these free ones any good? I'd not recommend anyone learn C or C++ as a first language. I'd recommend either perl, python, or ruby. :) as for PIG-languages, any language that has an open source implementation that runs on a POSIX system is fair game. I personally dislike Java (due to its lack of lambdas, weak typing, and lack of type inferrence), but even it is fair game there are open source compilers. :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 15:29:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JT34c025528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:29:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41JT3KM025527 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:29:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JT3Uo025523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:29:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JT37o001767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:29:03 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.237]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41JSlrq009286 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 15:28:48 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1461767wra for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:28:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SvibCmnck31FziQS+mhY2XFhMjw/7KLSM22L/eIjiAGjhGRbLiYnu0SnlHr/HeR9RazpGL9QAIc9kGKX9y5PLgn2vPuw49kP664haWXAtO9cbdpbOh+DRvV4ZFsgcxj/OLqQ9eU06lon8rB3Wv+vuvZKzRfglOhCx3sA666kODc= Received: by 10.54.98.9 with SMTP id v9mr54153wrb; Mon, 01 May 2006 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.100.15 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:28:46 -0400 From: "Dylan William Hardison" To: "Slug List" Subject: [SLUG] [PIG] Guess That Function #1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.186, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.67, BAYES_20 -0.74, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k41JT3Un025524 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I figured every once and a while, someone can post a snippet of code, in whatever language they like, and have people try to guess what it does. Two guidelines: The function's name should be 'f' as to note give away its meaning (unless the language in question makes the name 'f' impossible), and the language used must be stated. So, guess what this C-language function does: int f(void) { long one = 1; return ! ( *((char *)(&one)) ); } I'll give you a hint: It either returns 1 or 0, depending on what you compile it on. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 16:03:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41K3wKu025798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:03:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41K3wve025797 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:03:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41K3vuq025793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:03:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41K3vQR003437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:03:57 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41K3bwe028757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:03:38 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaecK-0002mf-Um for slug@nks.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 16:03:37 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0335356D9E for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44566996.1070203@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 16:03:34 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Guess That Function #1 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.994, required 6, AWL -0.49, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > I figured every once and a while, someone can post a snippet of code, > in whatever language they like, and have people try to guess what it > does. > Two guidelines: The function's name should be 'f' as to note give away > its meaning (unless the language in question makes the name 'f' > impossible), and the language used must be stated. > > So, guess what this C-language function does: > int f(void) > { > long one = 1; > return ! ( *((char *)(&one)) ); > } > > I'll give you a hint: It either returns 1 or 0, depending on what you > compile it on. > Okay, I'll bite. I assume the "what" you're talking about in the sentence above is the platform, either Intel or (older) Mac (and some other chips). It appears that the function returns the "first" byte (as a character) of the number assigned to the variable "one". I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that on an Intel box, it would return a 0, and on a big endian platform, it would return a 1. So you might be able to say that this function can tell the user the endianness of a box. But then again, I could be completely wrong. ;-} Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 17:21:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41LLkLk026451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:21:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41LLkWP026450 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:21:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41LLjfK026446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:21:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41LLjno007336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:21:45 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41LLbEq022044 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:21:37 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AE818D2D9 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 14:21:35 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] First post Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:21:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <4455B0DC.4070703@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605011721.30051.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.924, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.68, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 01 May 2006 15:21, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > I'd not recommend anyone learn C or C++ as a first language. > I'd recommend either perl, python, or ruby. :) C/C++ are very steep gradients. I'd probably go with python for a few reasons. It's very current as far as applicable today, and tomorrow. Very flexible and powerful. You cannot loose knowing python and there are only few things that cannot be done with it. Perl is a good reporting language, but I got my reservations about it. Ruby is looking very intersting but does not have the same visibility. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 17:48:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Lmrpv026617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:48:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41LmrOC026616 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:48:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Lmqh6026612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:48:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41LmqI9008480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:48:52 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41LmeaK030326 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:48:41 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k41Lmdfn006853 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 17:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:49:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Guess That Function #1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: So, guess what this C-language function does: > int f(void) > { > long one = 1; > return ! ( *((char *)(&one)) ); > } > > I'll give you a hint: It either returns 1 or 0, depending on what you > compile it on. f()==1 iff TRUE==0, f()==1 iff TRUE==1? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII chrcter. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." - Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 19:41:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Nf3jE027538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:41:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41Nf3hO027537 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:41:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Nf3cL027532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:41:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Nf3GZ013996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:41:03 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41NedD8003362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:40:45 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k41Ni3GM002180 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:44:04 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k41Ni3ag002179; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:44:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2575.192.168.8.8.1146527043.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] [PIG] Java Text (was First Post) From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.777, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.78, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Are these free ones any good? >> >> http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml > > I can't comment on most of these books; however, I've found the > programming-related "In 21 Days" and "In 24 Hours" books to generally > be horrible. Aww, shoot. I just picked up a Java in 24 Hours book yesterday based on a recommendation. I need to assimilate Java in a month... Any suggestions on a text for self study? -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 19:59:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41NxgNA027637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:59:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k41NxgDP027636 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:59:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41NxfM3027632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:59:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41Nxf1O014692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:59:41 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k41NxOjN021638 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:59:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([71.98.138.253]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IYM005882MX8WHG@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 01 May 2006 18:59:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:59:21 -0400 From: John Kinary Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Java Text (was First Post) In-reply-to: <2575.192.168.8.8.1146527043.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <4456A0D9.7040001@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <2575.192.168.8.8.1146527043.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Kwan Lowe wrote: >>> Are these free ones any good? >>> >>> http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml >>> >> I can't comment on most of these books; however, I've found the >> programming-related "In 21 Days" and "In 24 Hours" books to generally >> be horrible. >> > > Aww, shoot. I just picked up a Java in 24 Hours book yesterday based on a > recommendation. I need to assimilate Java in a month... Any suggestions on a text > for self study? > > > Kawan, Try Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in Java" both the first and second edition. John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 20:57:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k420v4oo028103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:57:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k420v4eD028102 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:57:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k420v463028098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:57:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k420v3iR017328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:57:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k420uw9C012385 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:56:58 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k420uukZ007596 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 20:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 20:57:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Guess That Function #1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: So, guess what this C-language function does: > int f(void) > { > long one = 1; > return ! ( *((char *)(&one)) ); > } > > I'll give you a hint: It either returns 1 or 0, depending on what you > compile it on. What does it do? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb watermelon in your colon. Trade toothbrushes with an albino dwarf, then give a hickey to Meryl Streep. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 1 22:20:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k422K0DB028801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:20:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k422Jxjr028800 for slug-track29; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:19:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k422Jxtc028795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:19:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k422JxrF021274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:19:59 -0400 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.233]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k422JhOB008537 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 22:19:44 -0400 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i23so1516946wra for ; Mon, 01 May 2006 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZTyjtpD8rzUJ+ENspHoVTID1xWWmn5mpon3krxPo6Dn4Xj8AXvJ3rlkUXqDZxSnkWUf5DMYlSaxyaFKnHq4kGAVTDZW8f/tdarzlzz90S87BZFdq5ebf0bNh8jufEpCliDG6Iq+jtdt+8C1r/U/dfz0nLv0UQ1K4xCox5CdUOPI= Received: by 10.54.144.4 with SMTP id r4mr246322wrd; Mon, 01 May 2006 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.100.15 with HTTP; Mon, 1 May 2006 19:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 22:19:43 -0400 From: "Dylan William Hardison" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Guess That Function #1 In-Reply-To: <44566996.1070203@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44566996.1070203@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.064, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.31, BAYES_00 -2.60, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k422Jxtb028797 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/1/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > Okay, I'll bite. I assume the "what" you're talking about in the > sentence above is the platform, either Intel or (older) Mac (and some > other chips). It appears that the function returns the "first" byte (as > a character) of the number assigned to the variable "one". I'm not sure, > but I'm guessing that on an Intel box, it would return a 0, and on a big > endian platform, it would return a 1. So you might be able to say that > this function can tell the user the endianness of a box. > > But then again, I could be completely wrong. ;-} You're right! I use it an autoconf replacement I'm writing, as am_big_endian(). To test the endianness of a system. It's a lot more reliable than SDL_BYTEORDER, which relies on the system name for the endianness. which is stupid. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 06:31:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42AVBgH000366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:31:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k42AVBAx000365 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:31:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42AVBTl000361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:31:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42AVAEl025149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:31:11 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42AUsE3014499 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 06:30:54 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i1so2606890nzh for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 03:30:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=c7oCAjB/Ppvs2oVtvK24n0ITINKJjF6ddmSoIvn7iQyi4yz8SH4yDm/uAf1m/aO6evgx+FD4yEKfhxXau8STK/7WBN+xxTcv8K44SlgpHjKvUvuDF3bamYsuIPV49FvJWDJtdowlwVeRlLFnexj8Sed+QICbzXdw566F1Edf8K4= Received: by 10.36.57.3 with SMTP id f3mr980157nza; Tue, 02 May 2006 03:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.148.8 with HTTP; Tue, 2 May 2006 03:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <703ba7320605020330k4127817bi34982fe9ab8dab44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 06:30:53 -0400 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Java Text (was First Post) In-Reply-To: <4456A0D9.7040001@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_758_20716682.1146565853798" References: <2575.192.168.8.8.1146527043.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> <4456A0D9.7040001@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.376, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_758_20716682.1146565853798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline try this website: www.htmlgoodies.com , they have a large amount of java learning resources On 5/1/06, John Kinary wrote: > > Kwan Lowe wrote: > >>> Are these free ones any good? > >>> > >>> http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml > >>> > >> I can't comment on most of these books; however, I've found the > >> programming-related "In 21 Days" and "In 24 Hours" books to generally > >> be horrible. > >> > > > > Aww, shoot. I just picked up a Java in 24 Hours book yesterday based o= n > a > > recommendation. I need to assimilate Java in a month... Any suggestions > on a text > > for self study? > > > > > > > Kawan, > > Try Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in Java" both the first and second edition. > > John > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_758_20716682.1146565853798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline try this website:  www.htmlgood= ies.com , they have a large amount of java learning resources

On 5/1/06, Joh= n Kinary <john.kinary@verizon.net= > wrote:
Kwan Lowe wrote:
>>> Are these free ones any good?
>>&= gt;
>>> = http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml
>>>
>> = I can't comment on most of these books; however, I've found the
>> programming-related "In 21 Days" and "In 24 Hou= rs" books to generally
>> be horrible.
>>
>> Aww, shoot.  I just picked up a Java in 24 Hours book yeste= rday based on a
> recommendation. I need to assimilate Java in a month... Any sugges= tions on a text
> for self study?
>
>
>
Kawan,
Try Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in Java" both the first and sec= ond edition.

John
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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 15:37:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42JbMWd004521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:37:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k42JbMeB004520 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:37:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42JbLUF004516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:37:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42JbLtH022528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:37:21 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42Jb3tg008618 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:37:04 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.205.25] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.0) id 5UAFL00 for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 15:37:04 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DVD media size Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:35:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.348, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k42JbMUE004517 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers Trying to burn a movie that I ripped and rebuilt with dvdauthor to a DVD +R disk. The file size is reported to be 4.5 gig which should easily fit.   growisofs complains with the following: INFO:   UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings.         Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem,         use -input-charset to override. :-( /dev/dvdrecorder: 2295104 blocks are free, 2383008 to be written :-( write failed: No space left on device bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> How does one determine gigs to blocks??  Are some media manufacturers incorrect with the stated capacity? Bob S     ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 15:40:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42Jetsw004568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:40:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k42JetlP004567 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:40:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42Jesn6004563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:40:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42JesZA022677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:40:54 -0400 Received: from web54304.mail.yahoo.com (web54304.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.114]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k42JeMEa008160 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:40:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 79103 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2006 19:40:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4JKm5RD//SEVMMNM5PQDmCCOe/XLHeFRNQpSJQ89WeUW7hkMTRlKrIlvLtVIKqKz83AeVFr48ZUEFluR9YVXS4g40s9NAX23617vX0JUjS7fexnNS9UkwCXDjIrWZrNvB9bw6g/eOStvCdnIQ/h3kKJHjXMLNIbsPfox4vLjGww= ; Message-ID: <20060502194021.79101.qmail@web54304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.132.65.41] by web54304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:40:21 PDT Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Aubrey Griffin Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Java Text (was First Post) To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <703ba7320605020330k4127817bi34982fe9ab8dab44@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.4, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --- Robert Waldo wrote: > try this website: www.htmlgoodies.com , they have a > large amount of java > learning resources > > On 5/1/06, John Kinary > wrote: > > > > Kwan Lowe wrote: > > >>> Are these free ones any good? > > >>> > > >>> http://www.techbooksforfree.com/ccpp.shtml > > >>> > > >> I can't comment on most of these books; > however, I've found the > > >> programming-related "In 21 Days" and "In 24 > Hours" books to generally > > >> be horrible. > > >> > > > > > > Aww, shoot. I just picked up a Java in 24 Hours > book yesterday based on > > a > > > recommendation. I need to assimilate Java in a > month... Any suggestions > > on a text > > > for self study? > > > > > > > > > > > Kawan, > > > > Try Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in Java" both the > first and second edition. > > > > John > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > > > There is a website, http://www.javapassion.com/, that has materials for a number of Java classes, including a introductory Java class. The direct link for the Java intro class is http://www.javapassion.com/javaintro1/. The book that is used for the introductory class is here, http://www.javapassion.com/javaintro1/course_notes/Student%27s%20manual/PDF/_JEDI%20Course%20Notes-Intro1-MasterDocument.pdf Have fun. Aubrey Griffin aubreygriffin@yahoo.com 407.461.8341 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 16:17:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KHlFk004900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:17:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k42KHlgv004899 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:17:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KHlmZ004895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:17:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KHkX6024465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:17:47 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KHSXh011111 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:17:28 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1BDEE6E2 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 13:17:26 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:17:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605021617.25452.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.055, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.54, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k42KHlmY004896 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 02 May 2006 15:35, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers > > Trying to burn a movie that I ripped and rebuilt with dvdauthor to a DVD +R > disk. The file size is reported to be 4.5 gig which should easily fit.   > growisofs complains with the following: > > INFO:   UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. >         Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, >         use -input-charset to override. > > :-( /dev/dvdrecorder: 2295104 blocks are free, 2383008 to be written > :-( write failed: No space left on device > > bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> > > How does one determine gigs to blocks??  Are some media manufacturers > incorrect with the stated capacity? Hard drive manufacturers use 1000M to be a GB, google for dvd's. You have to see what the size of the block is. It is different on different media. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 16:28:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KS6hu004979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:28:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k42KS6Dt004978 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:28:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KS6x7004974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:28:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KS6Ck025048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:28:06 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KRvsA018408 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:27:57 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k42KRu2G009778 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:28:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size In-Reply-To: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> X-GetARealMailreader: Trying to burn a movie that I ripped and rebuilt with dvdauthor to a DVD +R > disk. The file size is reported to be 4.5 gig which should easily fit.   Problem: DVDs use the "HD vendor" definition of GB, 10^9 B, whereas ls and friends use the "everywhere else in computers" definition of GB, 2^30 B. 4.7 * 10^9 B = 4.38 * 2^30 B. And 4.5 > 4.38. Did you take that into account? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII chrcter. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." - Skud ---1463809279-1689366265-1146601708=:27331-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 16:30:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KUDrc005004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:30:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k42KUCRQ005003 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:30:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KUCh0004999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:30:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KUCb4025120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:30:12 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KTtOZ014421 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:29:55 -0400 Received: from athlon2400 (242818hfc166.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.28.18.166]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k42KTsNp022864 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01c66e27$29d51c50$0300a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:29:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.155, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Stia" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: [SLUG] DVD media size > Hello Sluggers > > Trying to burn a movie that I ripped and rebuilt with dvdauthor to a DVD > +R > disk. The file size is reported to be 4.5 gig which should easily fit. > growisofs complains with the following: > > INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. > Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, > use -input-charset to override. > :-( /dev/dvdrecorder: 2295104 blocks are free, 2383008 to be written > :-( write failed: No space left on device > bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> > > How does one determine gigs to blocks?? Are some media manufacturers > incorrect with the stated capacity? > > Bob S > Always thought the limit on dvd's was 4.36 gigs. JamesS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 16:52:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42Kq9Yw005154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:52:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k42Kq99J005153 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:52:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42Kq9jv005149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:52:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42Kq8TY026031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:52:09 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k42KpvSY013615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 16:51:58 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 May 2006 14:51:56 -0600 Message-Id: <44578E1D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:51:42 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> <001b01c66e27$29d51c50$0300a8c0@athlon2400> In-Reply-To: <001b01c66e27$29d51c50$0300a8c0@athlon2400> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.067, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.88, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Always thought the limit on dvd's was 4.36 gigs. > > JamesS > DVD manufacturers use decimal (base 10) rather than binary (base 2) so a 4.7GB advertised DVD will hold 4.7 GB of data...however your program probably states binary and not decimal so in reality it holds 4.38 GB - GENERALLY SPEAKING. I think so far everyone has stated the same thing in different ways.... All writeable DVD formats use 2048 bytes per sector, most state the number of sectors available. However, the available sectors available to "data" vary by manufacturer...DVD+R should have 2, 295,072 sectors. Which rounds to 4.7GB (in decimal notation) using spec version 1.2. Another factor - defect management - but we'll leave that for another day. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 22:36:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432aMiW007817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k432aMCT007816 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432aLEr007812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432a94E008847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:15 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432Zg6n017599 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:35:42 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.205.25] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.0) id 5UDPV00 for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 22:35:48 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:12:43 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> <200605021617.25452.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605021617.25452.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605022212.45051.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.348, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k432aLEq007813 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:17, steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 15:35, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers > > > > Trying to burn a movie that I ripped and rebuilt with dvdauthor to a DVD > > +R disk. The file size is reported to be 4.5 gig which should easily fit. > > growisofs complains with the following: > > > > INFO:   UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. > >         Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, > >         use -input-charset to override. > > > > :-( /dev/dvdrecorder: 2295104 blocks are free, 2383008 to be written > > :-( write failed: No space left on device > > > > bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> > > > > How does one determine gigs to blocks??  Are some media manufacturers > > incorrect with the stated capacity? > > Hard drive manufacturers use 1000M to be a GB, google for dvd's. > > You have to see what the size of the block is. It is different on different > media. OK, so there is a difference between manufacturers. Wonder how you determine that. Printed on the DVD is 4.7GB Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 22:36:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432aWax007824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k432aWqU007823 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432aVDC007819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432aFug008866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:21 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432Zme1007363 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:35:48 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.205.25] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.0) id 5UDPX00 for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 22:35:49 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:33:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> <001b01c66e27$29d51c50$0300a8c0@athlon2400> <44578E1D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44578E1D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605022233.49445.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.974, required 6, AWL -0.63, BAYES_00 -2.60, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:51, John Pugh wrote: > > Always thought the limit on dvd's was 4.36 gigs. > > > > JamesS > > DVD manufacturers use decimal (base 10) rather than binary (base 2) so > a 4.7GB advertised DVD will hold 4.7 GB of data...however your program > probably states binary and not decimal so in reality it holds 4.38 GB - > GENERALLY SPEAKING. > > I think so far everyone has stated the same thing in different > ways.... Hmmmmm....Yeah, I guess so. Thanks to all. I still swear that I used to be able to get more than that on a disk though. > > All writeable DVD formats use 2048 bytes per sector, most state the > number of sectors available. However, the available sectors available to > "data" vary by manufacturer...DVD+R should have 2, 295,072 sectors. > Which rounds to 4.7GB (in decimal notation) using spec version 1.2. > > Another factor - defect management - but we'll leave that for another > day. > OK, thanks guys, Guess I have to go back and shrink it again. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 2 22:36:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432aogk007841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k432aom6007840 for slug-track29; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432an73007836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432aO61008890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:37 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k432a5an027248 for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 22:36:05 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.205.25] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.0) id 5UDPW00 for ; Tue, 02 May 2006 22:35:49 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:20:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605022220.34899.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.251, required 6, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:28, Eben King wrote: > Problem: DVDs use the "HD vendor" definition of GB, 10^9 B, whereas ls and > friends use the "everywhere else in computers" definition of GB, 2^30 B. > 4.7 * 10^9 B = 4.38 * 2^30 B. And 4.5 > 4.38. Did you take that into > account? Noooooo...Because all of the mailing lists dealing with ripping/copying say to keep it under 4.7GB and it will work OK. Could have sworn that media from a different manufacturer (Memorex) could handle an "everywhere else in computers" file size of 4.5GB. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 00:04:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4344vlV008539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:04:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4344v6P008538 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:04:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4344uxS008534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:04:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4344u5P013086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:04:56 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4344gGm006331 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:04:43 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 02 May 2006 22:04:39 -0600 Message-Id: <4457F11E.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:54:07 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> <200605022220.34899.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200605022220.34899.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.178, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Tue, May 2, 2006 at 10:20 PM, in message <200605022220.34899.rnr@sanctum.com>, Bob Stia wrote: > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:28, Eben King wrote: > >> Problem: DVDs use the "HD vendor" definition of GB, 10^9 B, whereas ls and >> friends use the "everywhere else in computers" definition of GB, 2^30 B. >> 4.7 * 10^9 B = 4.38 * 2^30 B. And 4.5 > 4.38. Did you take that into >> account? > > Noooooo...Because all of the mailing lists dealing with ripping/copying say > to > keep it under 4.7GB and it will work OK. Could have sworn that media from a > > different manufacturer (Memorex) could handle an "everywhere else in > computers" file size of 4.5GB. > > Bob S. > /dev/dvdrecorder: 2295104 blocks are free, 2383008 to be written Well...let's do some math. 2,295,104 x 2048 = 4,700,372,992 2,383,008 x 2048 = 4,880,400,384 You have more data than you think. 87,904 blocks totalling 180,027,392 bytes more to be exact. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 00:29:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k434TLRp008757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:29:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k434TLUS008756 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:29:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k434TKYY008752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:29:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k434TK4m016395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:29:20 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k434T6qq021217 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:29:06 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k434T5DI021650 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 00:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 00:29:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size In-Reply-To: <200605022220.34899.rnr@sanctum.com> Message-ID: References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> <200605022220.34899.rnr@sanctum.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:28, Eben King wrote: > >> Problem: DVDs use the "HD vendor" definition of GB, 10^9 B, whereas ls and >> friends use the "everywhere else in computers" definition of GB, 2^30 B. >> 4.7 * 10^9 B = 4.38 * 2^30 B. And 4.5 > 4.38. Did you take that into >> account? > > Noooooo...Because all of the mailing lists dealing with ripping/copying > say to keep it under 4.7GB and it will work OK. They're probably dealing primarily with users of a two-bit OS which instead of reporting file size in some appropriately-sized unit, always uses something tiny. So they see a file size of 4,500,000 KB and that's OK, since 4,500,500 KB (using 1024 B/KB) is 4.29 * 2^30 B, which fits. But if you see "4.5 GB", that's greater than the DVD capity of 4.38 GB, so it won't fit. > Could have sworn that media from a different manufacturer (Memorex) could > handle an "everywhere else in computers" file size of 4.5GB. Dunno. I think DVD format (and hence capacity) is standardized. Overburning works sometimes on CDs; I haven't tried it on DVDs, but it's worth a shot. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 08:52:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43CqUSk012760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:52:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43CqUax012759 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:52:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43CqU2d012755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:52:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43CqUrV018343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:52:30 -0400 Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k43CqHib025778 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:52:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 93803 invoked by uid 60001); 3 May 2006 12:52:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fATKqWbGZugi+lE2esXMJ/ah9tdOmPu03wRct6GCn2nQLRjiTWrXj1CPXOyX849KMEt7GSxpYdzry3E4FnqJvCmzRdinZgTfGcpVTwoQTTPW0tkD9BYptIyuJWcXFnsu1qfAhTJn1hox7X3w6cJnzuxk1QBsI3nxtp/Eu2g/DBY= ; Message-ID: <20060503125215.93801.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 03 May 2006 05:52:15 PDT Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 05:52:15 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: [SLUG] OT: openoffice.org and file converting. To: FL Lug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.141, required 6, BAYES_05 -1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is off topic because it is a Mac question with windows. My question is my friend has an old Mac. I believe that he made all his documents in ether apple works or clairs(sp) works. Is there a version of openoffice that would run in os9.2? What I was thinking of doing was to convert his files from appleworks or clairsworks to openoffice. Save them to cd or usb and then transfer them to an XP box with openoffice. This is the only idea that I have come up with to fix this. He eventually will buy ms office, but I am trying to convince him otherwise. I think that if can convince him how flexable and usefull open source has been to him, he will give a good run through. william __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 09:01:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43D19TH012884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:01:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43D19j4012883 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:01:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43D18MR012879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:01:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43D18Ca018874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:01:08 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43D0loj011047 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:00:47 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FbGyE-0005Bn-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 03 May 2006 09:00:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: openoffice.org and file converting. From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20060503125215.93801.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20060503125215.93801.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:00:42 -0400 Message-Id: <1146661242.1459.12.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.037, required 6, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 05:52 -0700, William Coulter wrote: > This is off topic because it is a Mac question with windows. > > My question is my friend has an old Mac. I believe that he made all his documents in ether apple > works or clairs(sp) works. Is there a version of openoffice that would run in os9.2? No! There isn't even a version that runs (well) in OS X. There are versions that run in something called fink for OS X. I believe that fink allows for X windows to run in OS X. Yeah, it frustrates me a bit. :-) > What I was > thinking of doing was to convert his files from appleworks or clairsworks to openoffice. Really, then he should save his docs as .rtf or something like that. If you want to keep formatting and such, you can save as Word 5.-ish...I think...Then have OOo do its thing and read those files. It would be the same process if he had MS Office. Though there is an MS Office version for OS 9. :-| Russell > Save > them to cd or usb and then transfer them to an XP box with openoffice. This is the only idea that > I have come up with to fix this. He eventually will buy ms office, but I am trying to convince > him otherwise. I think that if can convince him how flexable and usefull open source has been to > him, he will give a good run through. > > william > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 09:14:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43DEDCG012954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:14:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43DEDO1012953 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:14:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43DECnw012949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:14:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43DECn9019693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:14:12 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43DE0A8019616 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:14:00 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s13so126417wxc for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 06:13:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GeDIXq+DJRmtpTW5kA2zeDRDcStn0bC4EcW2PwZsXjgCJo84JkkRGMh9t450zQM3stG+Dla9zXQPto0Ofvm6K+dgEBt22fWkSC5zMnZNDI+Tw+w+X1LzcgA7gHZorcrfpQBcqEBJyKQEQQuSv4rKmmh+OrmeOVpQArSnGGQ6C6M= Received: by 10.70.34.3 with SMTP id h3mr2274280wxh; Wed, 03 May 2006 06:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.15.111? ( [70.124.190.156]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h34sm3157389wxd.2006.05.03.06.13.57; Wed, 03 May 2006 06:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <1146661242.1459.12.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> References: <20060503125215.93801.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1146661242.1459.12.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steven Buehler Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: openoffice.org and file converting. Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:13:56 -0400 To: slug@nks.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.054, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25, J_CHICKENPOX_63 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On May 3, 2006, at 9:00 AM, Russell Hires wrote: > On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 05:52 -0700, William Coulter wrote: >> This is off topic because it is a Mac question with windows. >> >> My question is my friend has an old Mac. I believe that he made >> all his documents in ether apple >> works or clairs(sp) works. Is there a version of openoffice that >> would run in os9.2? > > No! There isn't even a version that runs (well) in OS X. There are > versions that run in something called fink for OS X. I believe that > fink allows for X windows to run in OS X. Yeah, it frustrates me a > bit. :-) There is a native build of OOx 2.x available for OS X, but it requires the X11 subsystem, runs a tad slow for that reason, and doesn't use all of the fonts on the system. One would think that they'd have made a version that would run on OS 9 using Carbon, but all active development is on OS X. NeoJOffice is an alternative that attempts to implement OOo without needing the X11 subsystem, but it's far behind OOo and tends to crash (at least it does on my iBook). I ended up getting a copy of Office:mac and iWork. AppleWorks 6 will save in MS Word format, and there is a Windows version available from Apple. > >> What I was thinking of doing was to convert his files from >> appleworks or clairsworks to openoffice. > > Really, then he should save his docs as .rtf or something like > that. If you want to keep formatting and such, you can save as Word > 5.-ish...I think...Then have OOo do its thing and read those files. > It would be the same process if he had MS Office. Though there is > an MS Office version for OS 9. :-| > > Russell Steven W. Buehler | swbuehler@gmail.com Web Page: http://www.stevenwbuehler.us Instant Messengers: stevenbuehlerfl (AIM) | stevenwbuehler (Yahoo!) | stevenwbuehler@msn.com (MSN Msgr.) | 3565750 (ICQ) | Skype/Gizmo Project: swbuehler Gizmo Project Softphone: +1 (775) 535-7251 (leave voicemail if not online) PGP/GnuPG Key (for private messages): http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/ lookup?op=get&search=0xB6FAFE79 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 09:41:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43DfOqK013198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43DfOD6013197 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43DfNox013193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:41:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43DfNkd021057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:41:23 -0400 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Df5Jf021590 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:41:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1561375CBD7 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 09:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4458B151.2000703@ctrust.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:34:09 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: openoffice.org and file converting. References: <20060503125215.93801.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060503125215.93801.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: > This is off topic because it is a Mac question with windows. > > My question is my friend has an old Mac. I believe that he made all his documents in ether apple > works or clairs(sp) works. Is there a version of openoffice that would run in os9.2? What I was > thinking of doing was to convert his files from appleworks or clairsworks to openoffice. Save > them to cd or usb and then transfer them to an XP box with openoffice. This is the only idea that > I have come up with to fix this. He eventually will buy ms office, but I am trying to convince > him otherwise. I think that if can convince him how flexable and usefull open source has been to > him, he will give a good run through. > > william > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Has RTF ever occurred to you? That has been around for a very long time and IIRC (its been a long time since I was damned to use a mac) apple works and clairs both supported it. -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 14:23:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43INWak015395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:23:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43INWUx015394 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:23:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43INVMG015390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:23:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43INV0P003247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:23:31 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43INE4V012793 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:23:14 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBC1195251 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 11:23:13 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Zip to County List Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:23:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.155, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.41, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi, I'm putting together a table to lookup sales tax per county. What I'm missing is a zip code per county list. If you know specifically where that is available for free, or have it, please let me know. All I've found is creating a lot of extra work to extrapolate the data. I expected that with phone book type of data not being copyrightable, (Supreme Court ruling) it would be a cinch to find zip to county for free. Guess I'll make mine available when done. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 15:02:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43J2nUt015683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:02:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43J2n7C015682 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:02:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43J2nE9015678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:02:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43J2m0L005182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:02:49 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43J2ajH026230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:02:37 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbMcN-0008MR-Ae for slug@nks.net; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:02:35 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B9C56D9E for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4458FE49.5000207@quillandmouse.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:02:33 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.306, required 6, AWL -1.18, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k43J2nE8015679 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > Hi, > > I'm putting together a table to lookup sales tax per county. > > What I'm missing is a zip code per county list. If you know specifically where > that is available for free, or have it, please let me know. > > All I've found is creating a lot of extra work to extrapolate the data. > > I expected that with phone book type of data not being copyrightable, (Supreme > Court ruling) it would be a cinch to find zip to county for free. Guess I'll > make mine available when done. > I believe that you can get this information from USPS Zip Code directories. They take up two volumes about as big as a huge phone book each. But even if they still make those, it would involve manual data entry. However, I decided to search for "county zip" on the usps.com site, and found the following: http://www.usps.com/ncsc/addressinfo/citystate_print.htm Text from this page: City State Product City State Product is a comprehensive list of ZIP Codes with corresponding city and county names. This file also contains other names by which a Post Office may be known. City State Product can assist mailers with city, state, and 5-digit ZIP validation; ZIP Code™ and finance number assignment; and county code/name identification. This product is available on cartridge, and CD-ROM and contains approximately 100,000 records. Updates are issued monthly or bimonthly, and technical guides are either shipped automatically with a subscription or are available upon request. HTH Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 15:19:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43JJLsL015840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43JJLGk015839 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43JJLYn015835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43JJD83006053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:21 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [71.122.228.131]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43JIxkC001827 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 15:19:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.69] ([192.168.10.69]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08732 for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 15:17:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4459021D.3090008@washpat.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 15:18:53 -0400 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "slug@nks.net" Subject: [SLUG] discount on books Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net from O'Reilly: Get 30% off a single book or 35% off two or more books from O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf, SitePoint, or Syngress books you purchase directly from O'Reilly. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 16:10:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43KAPxE016202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:10:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43KAPQC016201 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:10:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43KAOII016197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:10:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43KAOr9008694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:10:24 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43KA8u6015029 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:10:08 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93806B6DD3 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:10:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <4458FE49.5000207@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <4458FE49.5000207@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.053, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.05, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:02, Paul M Foster wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm putting together a table to lookup sales tax per county. > > > > What I'm missing is a zip code per county list. If you know specifically > > where that is available for free, or have it, please let me know. > > However, I decided to search for "county zip" on the usps.com site, and > found the following: > > http://www.usps.com/ncsc/addressinfo/citystate_print.htm Thanks! However it's missing the vital county information... -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 16:57:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Kv7NF016561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:57:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43Kv7wX016560 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:57:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Kv67Z016556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:57:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Kv5nB011026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:57:05 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Kus32031856 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 16:56:55 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so285064nzn for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 13:56:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=lTaSXgfHiYcpSIP4atmxXW+VBgWEuXlen7PHfhA7lTyi0cC+Xlqp0Q7N4TohDzqs2FbCESYAx2C3FFYL11Gr3RGnT6+CIISioFNd9xxLHEmXBew1rjK2cYjnZl+7okFUs+WHRNwyBQ3ylVKYyDdZqvX4VGbe8IO8JBzqfBlbtQA= Received: by 10.65.213.1 with SMTP id p1mr82362qbq; Wed, 03 May 2006 13:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.17 with HTTP; Wed, 3 May 2006 13:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90605031356m35c4a62l2458b02403d1aab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 16:56:51 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List In-Reply-To: <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <4458FE49.5000207@quillandmouse.com> <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f4fae5f6b0e08e91 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k43Kv67Y016557 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/3/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:02, Paul M Foster wrote: > > steve szmidt wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm putting together a table to lookup sales tax per county. > > > > > > What I'm missing is a zip code per county list. If you know specifically > > > where that is available for free, or have it, please let me know. > > > > > However, I decided to search for "county zip" on the usps.com site, and > > found the following: > > > > http://www.usps.com/ncsc/addressinfo/citystate_print.htm > > Thanks! However it's missing the vital county information... > Zip codes don't correlate to counties. Some zip codes exist in multiple counties. That said, if a few mistakes aren't too much of a problem, the FIPS55 data should have what you're looking for. http://geonames.usgs.gov/fips55.html http://www.census.gov/geo/www/gazetteer/places2k.html is another place to look. The data there is going to be a little harder to parse, but it's more accurate. By the way, is your software going to be free? Any chance I can get a free copy if not? I do tax preparation and wind up looking up about 10-20 counties a year manually by searching through the internet. Not enough to pay for a solution, but a free tool wouldn't be so bad :). Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 17:14:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LEC0P016721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:14:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43LECKw016720 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:14:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LEBHM016716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:14:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LEB0q011889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:14:11 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LDp9H027569 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:13:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532233hfc181.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.233.181]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k43LDkfP019883 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] discount on books Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:13:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <4459021D.3090008@washpat.com> In-Reply-To: <4459021D.3090008@washpat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605031713.38449.mario@alienscience.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.312, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:18, aaron steimle wrote: > from O'Reilly: > > Get 30% off a single book or 35% off two or more books from O'Reilly, No > Starch, Paraglyph, PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf, SitePoint, or > Syngress books you purchase directly from O'Reilly. Just use code DSUG > when ordering online or by phone 800-998-9938. Free ground shipping on > orders $29.95 or more in the US. > > What's the discount for? LUGs? Thanks! That's quite a discount. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 17:16:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LGTGa016806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43LGTMc016805 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LGSoC016801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LGSxo012067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:28 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.206]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LGDFA006125 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:14 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so289021nzn for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:16:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=N/C8Vn57T/0ZiTK0iXeHnbQWNIfXU3bvZgL9lgDV7DcroSMAc7xTDZHCRh3+JB750V4OTsN5kHqDKbHY+uhE2QgtJXndSBSOQpec0B+ElFiN/iTPH3Yksk2Pn7K8d5BhUgmcqfoBA8AaZTs3XhiyItKDCq3yI9SC5so/0yNPOCU= Received: by 10.65.254.14 with SMTP id g14mr67280qbs; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.17 with HTTP; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90605031416v10c79fc9h836a638bb476baaa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:16:13 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List In-Reply-To: <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <4458FE49.5000207@quillandmouse.com> <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a07d439a18ccf93d X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k43LGSoB016802 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/3/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:02, Paul M Foster wrote: > > steve szmidt wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm putting together a table to lookup sales tax per county. > > > > > > What I'm missing is a zip code per county list. If you know specifically > > > where that is available for free, or have it, please let me know. > > > > > However, I decided to search for "county zip" on the usps.com site, and > > found the following: > > > > http://www.usps.com/ncsc/addressinfo/citystate_print.htm > > Thanks! However it's missing the vital county information... > By the way, looking at the sample file... http://ribbs.usps.gov/files/addressing/SAMPLES/CityState-sam.txt It seems it does list counties (it seems to just list multiple lines for the same zip code, so presumably would list multiple counties if the zip code is in multiple counties). In that sample, HENNEPIN is the county. So if you want to pay, there's your solution. (I still wouldn't count on 100% accuracy, the USPS and the state governments probably occassionaly get out of sync.) The USPS *claims* a copyright on the data. Whether or not that claim is valid, well, you've already speculated on that. :) Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 17:31:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LUxpL016909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43LUxgW016908 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LUxVk016904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LUxtx012735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:59 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LUlKU007149 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:47 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A0910F036 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:30:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> <71cd4dd90605031356m35c4a62l2458b02403d1aab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90605031356m35c4a62l2458b02403d1aab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605031730.37731.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.952, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:56, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > By the way, is your software going to be free? Any chance I can get a > free copy if not? I do tax preparation and wind up looking up about > 10-20 counties a year manually by searching through the internet. Not > enough to pay for a solution, but a free tool wouldn't be so bad :). You're welcome to the code related to the above. It's designed as part of a particular web solution. You'll need a web server with php and a sql db. (I could host it but I don't know if I want to, as others can easily tune in and eact up my bandwidth. I have had some thought about setting up a page with a number of custom solutions, and google ads. So we'll see.) I'll make an announcement when it's ready. It's very easy to throw together a simple web lookup so I'll probably make one specifically that you can use. If I only have FL that will limit the load... -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 17:47:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LliMd017027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43LliLR017026 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Lliml017022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LlhKq013406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:43 -0400 Received: from randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LlSQ6030379 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:28 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3119043F for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:47:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> <71cd4dd90605031356m35c4a62l2458b02403d1aab@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90605031356m35c4a62l2458b02403d1aab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605031747.26168.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.086, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.51, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:56, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > That said, if a few mistakes aren't too much of a problem, the FIPS55 > data should have what you're looking for. > http://geonames.usgs.gov/fips55.html > > http://www.census.gov/geo/www/gazetteer/places2k.html is another place > to look. The data there is going to be a little harder to parse, but > it's more accurate. Bummer, they don't store County names in them either. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 17:48:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LmPgD017043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:48:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43LmPim017042 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:48:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LmP5m017038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:48:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LmOZu013446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:48:25 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.195]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Lm9P1031155 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:48:09 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so294875nzn for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=opVM/Qlys653tP1qexJo6T9aMo9V8smUDsXurKYr9OjHNXBfWhXAJb4hpzIWUZT4muPbj44EQZnMD834zbB2OwyczpRM+Z53i1KlBKtdTKSQTYbkhCapJ6ej7TnS6gton5YO34duaA9nXhavEN12FBwdPaDzrNHVZ7K/H3a+I9o= Received: by 10.65.193.2 with SMTP id v2mr114930qbp; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.17 with HTTP; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90605031448j53158bcesf53a490abf70394e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:48:04 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List In-Reply-To: <200605031730.37731.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> <71cd4dd90605031356m35c4a62l2458b02403d1aab@mail.gmail.com> <200605031730.37731.steve@szmidt.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4af89e6e1ce6d5ac X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.00, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k43LmP5l017039 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/3/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:56, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > > By the way, is your software going to be free? Any chance I can get a > > free copy if not? I do tax preparation and wind up looking up about > > 10-20 counties a year manually by searching through the internet. Not > > enough to pay for a solution, but a free tool wouldn't be so bad :). > > You're welcome to the code related to the above. It's designed as part of a > particular web solution. You'll need a web server with php and a sql db. (I > could host it but I don't know if I want to, as others can easily tune in and > eact up my bandwidth. I have had some thought about setting up a page with a > number of custom solutions, and google ads. So we'll see.) > > I'll make an announcement when it's ready. It's very easy to throw together a > simple web lookup so I'll probably make one specifically that you can use. If > I only have FL that will limit the load... > Heh, it's the small portion of clients *outside* Florida that are the hard ones to look up :). Anyway, I guess if I get a copy of the data I could just throw it into a spreadsheet file. Still easier than putting the address into the USPS form to find the county, finding the website of whatever state's government, and looking it up there, I guess. Hope the links I gave you are enough. Let me know if not. I think I have some other stuff around here somewhere, I used to be into all that GIS stuff. Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 17:59:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Lxstj017107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:59:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43LxsCQ017106 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:59:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LxriT017102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:59:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Lxr2I013912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:59:53 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43LxaTP007047 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 17:59:37 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so296982nzn for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:59:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=slIXfvV+jewbCqUf9OH1DR9sgw3LcqrswuRu4cGhsKTVXzjjiVykHwSyqSBmfLhVobp6G8Es6T5wt4pBhfRCTZRgdv+shX9BumzlysJn93HRuZB9+98Iah9M9eG1taCtodJkC5+pg5JqF5AKEISQEZuCVfXlB8vjPIUvi4jOFhM= Received: by 10.65.189.8 with SMTP id r8mr105304qbp; Wed, 03 May 2006 14:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.250.7 with HTTP; Wed, 3 May 2006 14:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605031459p542ff1ex7285d7bf01d6156e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 17:59:36 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90605031448j53158bcesf53a490abf70394e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <200605031610.01011.steve@szmidt.org> <71cd4dd90605031356m35c4a62l2458b02403d1aab@mail.gmail.com> <200605031730.37731.steve@szmidt.org> <71cd4dd90605031448j53158bcesf53a490abf70394e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.57, required 6, AWL -0.03, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k43LxsiS017103 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/3/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > On 5/3/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 16:56, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > > > By the way, is your software going to be free? Any chance I can get a > > > free copy if not? I do tax preparation and wind up looking up about > > > 10-20 counties a year manually by searching through the internet. Not > > > enough to pay for a solution, but a free tool wouldn't be so bad :). > > > > You're welcome to the code related to the above. It's designed as part of a > > particular web solution. You'll need a web server with php and a sql db. (I > > could host it but I don't know if I want to, as others can easily tune in and > > eact up my bandwidth. I have had some thought about setting up a page with a > > number of custom solutions, and google ads. So we'll see.) > > > > I'll make an announcement when it's ready. It's very easy to throw together a > > simple web lookup so I'll probably make one specifically that you can use. If > > I only have FL that will limit the load... > > > Heh, it's the small portion of clients *outside* Florida that are the > hard ones to look up :). Anyway, I guess if I get a copy of the data > I could just throw it into a spreadsheet file. Still easier than > putting the address into the USPS form to find the county, finding thefindu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=KP4DJT-6 > website of whatever state's government, and looking it up there, I > guess. > > Hope the links I gave you are enough. Let me know if not. I think I > have some other stuff around here somewhere, I used to be into all > that GIS stuff. This popped up on the advert bar in gmail while following this thread: http://www.zipcodeworld.com/ -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 18:36:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Ma8uD017448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:36:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k43Ma8r2017447 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:36:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Ma79a017443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43Ma7E4015734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:36:07 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k43MZtrk002370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:35:55 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FbPwo-0000kp-8z for slug@nks.net; Wed, 03 May 2006 18:35:54 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631EA56D9E for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44593048.7030003@quillandmouse.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 18:35:52 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] discount on books References: <4459021D.3090008@washpat.com> <200605031713.38449.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200605031713.38449.mario@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.555, required 6, AWL -1.39, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Mario Lombardo wrote: > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:18, aaron steimle wrote: >> from O'Reilly: >> >> Get 30% off a single book or 35% off two or more books from O'Reilly, No >> Starch, Paraglyph, PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf, SitePoint, or >> Syngress books you purchase directly from O'Reilly. Just use code DSUG >> when ordering online or by phone 800-998-9938. Free ground shipping on >> orders $29.95 or more in the US. >> >> > > What's the discount for? LUGs? Thanks! That's quite a discount. > Yes. It's been in existence for a number of years. I stopped promoting it when several people complained that they could easily get a better discount elsewhere. Whether they were correct or not, I don't know. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 21:30:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k441UkPq018804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k441UkW8018803 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k441UjPl018799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k441UjxS023629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:45 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k441UTI7008095 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:30 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BA7195247 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 18:30:28 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Zip to County List Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:30:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605031423.11750.steve@szmidt.org> <71cd4dd90605031448j53158bcesf53a490abf70394e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605031459p542ff1ex7285d7bf01d6156e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570605031459p542ff1ex7285d7bf01d6156e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605032130.21723.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.051, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.05, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 03 May 2006 17:59, Chuck Hast wrote: > > This popped up on the advert bar in gmail while following this thread: > http://www.zipcodeworld.com/ Thanks! Though I'm trying to avoide paying for what I figure should be available official gov data, paid for by our tax $. There is a web site which is very commonly linked to which will show the data, but amongst a ton of html code. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 3 23:42:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k443gsvQ019853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k443gsCD019852 for slug-track29; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k443grKv019848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k443gr8X029326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:53 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k443gfR3031280 for ; Wed, 3 May 2006 23:42:42 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.209.244] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.0) id 5UOF200 for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 23:42:43 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD media size Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 23:41:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <200605021535.46662.rnr@sanctum.com> <200605022220.34899.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605032341.34122.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.256, required 6, AWL -1.00, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 03 May 2006 00:29, Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 2 May 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > > On Tuesday 02 May 2006 16:28, Eben King wrote: > >> Problem: DVDs use the "HD vendor" definition of GB, 10^9 B, whereas ls > >> and friends use the "everywhere else in computers" definition of GB, > >> 2^30 B. 4.7 * 10^9 B = 4.38 * 2^30 B. And 4.5 > 4.38. Did you take > >> that into account? > > > > Noooooo...Because all of the mailing lists dealing with ripping/copying > > say to keep it under 4.7GB and it will work OK. > > They're probably dealing primarily with users of a two-bit OS which instead > of reporting file size in some appropriately-sized unit, always uses > something tiny. So they see a file size of 4,500,000 KB and that's OK, > since 4,500,500 KB (using 1024 B/KB) is 4.29 * 2^30 B, which fits. But if > you see "4.5 GB", that's greater than the DVD capity of 4.38 GB, so it > won't fit. > > > Could have sworn that media from a different manufacturer (Memorex) could > > handle an "everywhere else in computers" file size of 4.5GB. > > Dunno. I think DVD format (and hence capacity) is standardized. > Overburning works sometimes on CDs; I haven't tried it on DVDs, but it's > worth a shot. Try dummy/practice/test mode first. Thanks Eben and all the rest of you. My education is getting better. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 4 19:50:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k44Nofwi029280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:50:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k44NofeC029279 for slug-track29; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:50:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k44NofDZ029275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:50:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k44NoedV003644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:50:40 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k44NoPlo024064 for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:50:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060504235023.KQAH14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 19:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 19:53:58 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] gnucash Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.019, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, all! Do any of you guys have any experience with gnucash or any other accounting-type free and free software? Also, does any of you know what the hardware requirements are to run gnucash? I've just installed it on Debian 3.1, Kernel 2.6 with KDE on a 350MH PII with 192MB ram. When I go to start gnucash, it makes the icon bounce, brings up the little window that indicates that it is loading, and then farts. The app stops as if I had never tried to start it. I let the computer sit there for a long time thinking that it would just load slow on hardware that aged, but it would not come up at all. Any insight? Thanks. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 4 20:23:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k450NeBD029607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:23:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k450Neel029606 for slug-track29; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:23:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k450NeDV029602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:23:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k450NdxT005277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:23:40 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k450NNWf014768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 20:23:24 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k450HtjJ015201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 4 May 2006 17:17:59 -0700 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Fbo6F-0007Yx-GR for slug@nks.net; Thu, 04 May 2006 20:23:15 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 20:23:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605042023.14987.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Thu, 04 May 2006 17:17:59 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.528, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 04 May 2006 20:53, michael hast wrote: > Hey, all! > > Any insight? Thanks. Try running GnuCash from a terminal under X, such as xterm: $ gnucash & You might see output indicating why it failed to run. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 5 08:47:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k45ClV3r003049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:47:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k45ClVkg003048 for slug-track29; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:47:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k45ClUcN003044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:47:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k45ClURa021991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:47:30 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k45ClL5M028766 for ; Fri, 5 May 2006 08:47:21 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so278163wra for ; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:47:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L4sNP2evp7Q13EwVl37U2lhyJd/VUkcDRN8o9DO4HOd9gYuVMwdvJt+VxwKEc3VPSSGq30ZawUiiHZxlDE5v6ztIFZHhAGiOTAZFu4ks+qi2punft1t3pBG4hc2ApZRtcGIMSJVBjzZS0rVTEe9MftQ5VLQs7+udAgI+TOEvSM8= Received: by 10.54.112.2 with SMTP id k2mr1072571wrc; Fri, 05 May 2006 05:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Fri, 5 May 2006 05:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605050547o4f5f0bccnfa62e85a627fc8fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:47:20 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash In-Reply-To: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.65, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k45ClVcM003045 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Do any of you guys have any experience with gnucash or any other > accounting-type free and free software? Also, does any of you know what > the hardware requirements are to run gnucash? I've just installed it on > Debian 3.1, Kernel 2.6 with KDE on a 350MH PII with 192MB ram. When I > go to start gnucash, it makes the icon bounce, brings up the little > window that indicates that it is loading, and then farts. The app stops > as if I had never tried to start it. I let the computer sit there for a > long time thinking that it would just load slow on hardware that aged, > but it would not come up at all. Any insight? Thanks. I used to run it on a ppro/200 with 32M. Of course, that was several years ago, and the gnucash installation process was what originally drove me away from slackware (7.something). I agree with the recommendation to run it in a terminal and look for suspicious output. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 6 11:25:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46FPITd015592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:25:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k46FPI2C015591 for slug-track29; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:25:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46FPHON015587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:25:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46FPHMH016803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:25:17 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46FP2Qb027603 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:25:02 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=e8zWRMnT8xBpzXvxwPwrZVkXO/FvxX/1XwCZNK6kREhpdjYwk9YJh+lfwviN2rSJ; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FcOeU-0008BI-HD for slug@nks.net; Sat, 06 May 2006 11:25:02 -0400 From: S0TL To: SLUG Linux Subject: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 Final will be released on thursday, 11th of May. Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 11:25:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605061125.03655.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c2609968c71a2d5d6614dd5c6df1cc9d9be04666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.611, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.99, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net SUSE Linux 10.1 Final will be released on thursday, 11th of May. http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 6 12:37:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46GbVow016128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:37:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k46GbVXX016127 for slug-track29; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:37:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46GbUOw016123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:37:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46GbU4w020630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:37:30 -0400 Received: from randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k46GbBt8010198 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 12:37:12 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EA9AF10C for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 Final will be released on thursday, 11th of May. Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:37:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605061125.03655.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200605061125.03655.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605061237.09741.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.045, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.04) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Somehow my gut tells me that SuSE 10.1 is going be released on Thursday the 11th... 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 6 20:36:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470aZoV019813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k470aZdX019812 for slug-track29; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470aY4D019808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470aXDw010076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:34 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.196]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470aQrw032668 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:26 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so943419nzn for ; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:36:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W20A5m4NywGZIn+Z9VpskEBvDscL1taRS/YUtAukf5YJu1ZIUYPzPVl7uq+FrCJPLy0+e7KaTA74dQNIEgYon1iizbcMOUJSL5U0BnqSJDTLIDGJoDLz3eWYOPKmkanUksyGs3Nie1TFoJQY5voR649OXWj+EO04ao5DP5Jv5NE= Received: by 10.65.216.2 with SMTP id t2mr423076qbq; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.210.9 with HTTP; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 20:36:25 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605050547o4f5f0bccnfa62e85a627fc8fe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <1a3a3e310605050547o4f5f0bccnfa62e85a627fc8fe@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k470aY4C019809 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I hope this isn't off-topic, but... Does anyone know any accounting-style programs for Linux that are compatable with Quickbooks files and suitable for small businesses (even if it costs money)? This is the only thing holding my parents back from switching to Linux. On 5/5/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > Do any of you guys have any experience with gnucash or any other > > accounting-type free and free software? Also, does any of you know what > > the hardware requirements are to run gnucash? I've just installed it on > > Debian 3.1, Kernel 2.6 with KDE on a 350MH PII with 192MB ram. When I > > go to start gnucash, it makes the icon bounce, brings up the little > > window that indicates that it is loading, and then farts. The app stops > > as if I had never tried to start it. I let the computer sit there for a > > long time thinking that it would just load slow on hardware that aged, > > but it would not come up at all. Any insight? Thanks. > > I used to run it on a ppro/200 with 32M. Of course, that was several > years ago, and the gnucash installation process was what originally > drove me away from slackware (7.something). > > I agree with the recommendation to run it in a terminal and look for > suspicious output. > > -- > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 6 20:56:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470ul8g019947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:56:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k470ul6n019946 for slug-track29; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:56:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470uk8Y019942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:56:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470uj8Q011013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:56:46 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.194]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k470uIgC009740 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:56:19 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so945377nzn for ; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:56:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=t/JhZYw0ZD/zDN05bzsSoNWT+kuw+Jop3jMhT+f01G38/xjXt7me+nT+70UnD3fVVtxMC05ZZ50iKPjSEvkplJsgz+pgqd/zQ+WAxI8fsJ3kwemaj4ygm6Ez6sF1TkRVUF+udti5t3JRpbxbjvV07E0mbQr74VkIUq3hbqzca+M= Received: by 10.65.218.14 with SMTP id v14mr388678qbq; Sat, 06 May 2006 17:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.11 with HTTP; Sat, 6 May 2006 17:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90605061756p7ad339d9l73388fc001b9dfba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 20:56:18 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash In-Reply-To: <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <1a3a3e310605050547o4f5f0bccnfa62e85a627fc8fe@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 86ba3c63684a5af4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k470uk8X019943 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/6/06, Possum wrote: > I hope this isn't off-topic, but... > > Does anyone know any accounting-style programs for Linux that are > compatable with Quickbooks files and suitable for small businesses > (even if it costs money)? This is the only thing holding my parents > back from switching to Linux. > It'd probably be possible to hack up some scripts to convert QB files to/from SQL-Ledger. Other than that my only suggestion would be VMWare. Gnucash might be able to do it, but personally I haven't even managed to get gnucash installed, so I wouldn't know. (If anyone knows of a VMWare Player virtual machine with gnucash preinstalled please send a link!) Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 00:02:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4742mVr021443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 00:02:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4742mWH021442 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 00:02:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4742lDt021438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 00:02:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4742lMq019530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 00:02:47 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4742WGs008730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 00:02:33 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k473s3TZ010619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 20:57:09 -0700 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FcaQY-00009W-1Q for slug@nks.net; Sat, 06 May 2006 23:59:26 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 23:59:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90605061756p7ad339d9l73388fc001b9dfba@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90605061756p7ad339d9l73388fc001b9dfba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605062359.25513.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sat, 06 May 2006 20:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.565, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 06 May 2006 20:56, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > Gnucash might be able to do it, but personally I haven't even managed > to get gnucash installed, so I wouldn't know. (If anyone knows of a > VMWare Player virtual machine with gnucash preinstalled please send a > link!) Why not? I've been running GnuCash on Debian GNU/Linux for over a year now. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 02:16:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476GCQO022526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:16:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k476GCcT022525 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:16:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476G65r022484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:16:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476G3S1031082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:16:06 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476FnUT019553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:15:49 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FccYW-00041C-M5 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 07 May 2006 02:15:48 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323DB56D9E for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <445D9092.2010302@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 02:15:46 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <1a3a3e310605050547o4f5f0bccnfa62e85a627fc8fe@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.625, required 6, AWL -1.32, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Possum wrote: > I hope this isn't off-topic, but... > > Does anyone know any accounting-style programs for Linux that are > compatable with Quickbooks files and suitable for small businesses > (even if it costs money)? This is the only thing holding my parents > back from switching to Linux. > Having dealt with accounting programs one way or another for many years, I don't personally know of a single accounting program that will use another accounting program's files directly. Imported records in QIF format or something like it, maybe. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 02:27:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476RvsA022607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:27:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k476RveG022606 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:27:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476RvrM022602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:27:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476Ru1r031664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:27:56 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k476Rax3022707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 02:27:37 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k476MCNx019039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 23:22:13 -0700 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Fccjv-0003UK-4W for slug@nks.net; Sun, 07 May 2006 02:27:35 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 02:27:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> <445D9092.2010302@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <445D9092.2010302@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605070227.34744.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Sat, 06 May 2006 23:22:13 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.572, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 07 May 2006 02:15, Paul M Foster wrote: > Possum wrote: > > I hope this isn't off-topic, but... > > > > Does anyone know any accounting-style programs for Linux that are > > compatable with Quickbooks files and suitable for small businesses > > (even if it costs money)? This is the only thing holding my parents > > back from switching to Linux. > > Having dealt with accounting programs one way or another for many years, > I don't personally know of a single accounting program that will use > another accounting program's files directly. Imported records in QIF > format or something like it, maybe. Accounting is a complicated thing for a business, anyway, so I'd advocate retaining Intuit, as much as I dislike their business practices, and run it off a VMWare instance of Windows. Or Crossover Office might work, if it supports recent version of Quicken or Quick Books Pro. For something as important as accounting I wouldn't screw around. GnuCash isn't quite, and probably won't ever be, there. (It doesn't support features like 'year end' and reports must be authored by hand in scheme.) There isn't enough incentive to produce a free software suite to handle the complexity of business accounting. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 07:32:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47BWcLp025162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:32:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k47BWcUG025161 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:32:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47BWcLO025157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:32:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47BWb90023891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:32:38 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47BWNe7007403 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:32:23 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k47BWMZB002732 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200605071132.k47BWMZB002732@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] gnucash Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 07:37:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcZxbpP/mhA0FYTFSUe657xDLW3fPwAWurTQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.093, required 6, AWL -1.82, BAYES_40 -0.18, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Does anyone know any accounting-style programs for Linux... TurboCash can import QuickBooks files http://www.turbocash-usa.com/ It is GPL, but runs under Windows. You might consider downloading it and trying it in Wine. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Possum Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 8:36 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash I hope this isn't off-topic, but... Does anyone know any accounting-style programs for Linux that are compatable with Quickbooks files and suitable for small businesses (even if it costs money)? This is the only thing holding my parents back from switching to Linux. On 5/5/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > Do any of you guys have any experience with gnucash or any other > > accounting-type free and free software? Also, does any of you know > > what the hardware requirements are to run gnucash? I've just > > installed it on Debian 3.1, Kernel 2.6 with KDE on a 350MH PII with > > 192MB ram. When I go to start gnucash, it makes the icon bounce, > > brings up the little window that indicates that it is loading, and > > then farts. The app stops as if I had never tried to start it. I > > let the computer sit there for a long time thinking that it would > > just load slow on hardware that aged, but it would not come up at all. Any insight? Thanks. > > I used to run it on a ppro/200 with 32M. Of course, that was several > years ago, and the gnucash installation process was what originally > drove me away from slackware (7.something). > > I agree with the recommendation to run it in a terminal and look for > suspicious output. > > -- > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > - This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 09:55:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47DtlWR026200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:55:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k47Dtl4F026199 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:55:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47Dtkuq026195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:55:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47Dtkrs031491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:55:46 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47DtPFK018598 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 09:55:25 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1006560nzn for ; Sun, 07 May 2006 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kHhfyvkQh9WJ8O9zO4y8+sQd7R5ehi/RowgySbyBt0VkK8LIQqdbKLC3FYmZuaYLofzXHtKII7YzCOhUwIV0zS1ZqejKx1tSvwfmYyueN9zX9ME2cMAxX0Y7EHDBPRqBcwISLmrl8iVcxFZGVEXItA5L7Rpa6eOEZuR+kqTc+xI= Received: by 10.65.214.3 with SMTP id r3mr565612qbq; Sun, 07 May 2006 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.11 with HTTP; Sun, 7 May 2006 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90605070655u4a402b5epf33e9afe30cf6b25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 09:55:24 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash In-Reply-To: <200605062359.25513.jasonb@edseek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <255f52a0605061736u3dc45e73u7f8caa66d5382673@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90605061756p7ad339d9l73388fc001b9dfba@mail.gmail.com> <200605062359.25513.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 730854e97fa2d6f3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k47Dtlup026196 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/6/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > On Saturday 06 May 2006 20:56, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > > > Gnucash might be able to do it, but personally I haven't even managed > > to get gnucash installed, so I wouldn't know. (If anyone knows of a > > VMWare Player virtual machine with gnucash preinstalled please send a > > link!) > > Why not? I've been running GnuCash on Debian GNU/Linux for over a year now. > IIRC, I usually ran into some dependency problem and gave up. I'm sure once I'd gotten it installed it would have continued running fine, and if I happened to have Debian installed (and the gnucash.org website wasn't down like it is right now) it'd probably be a breeze. Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 10:48:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47EmUg4026627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 10:48:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k47EmU49026626 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 10:48:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47EmU2T026622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 10:48:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47EmTtM001599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 10:48:30 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47EmDSX006710 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 10:48:13 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296A6EEAE8 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 07:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 10:48:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605071048.05195.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.364, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.36, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 04 May 2006 20:53, michael hast wrote: > Hey, all! > > Do any of you guys have any experience with gnucash or any other > accounting-type free and free software? Also, does any of you know what > the hardware requirements are to run gnucash? I've just installed it on > Debian 3.1, Kernel 2.6 with KDE on a 350MH PII with 192MB ram. When I > go to start gnucash, it makes the icon bounce, brings up the little > window that indicates that it is loading, and then farts. The app stops > as if I had never tried to start it. I let the computer sit there for a > long time thinking that it would just load slow on hardware that aged, > but it would not come up at all. Any insight? Thanks. > > --Michael A few years ago I saw a list of commercial Linux accounting programs. There were a number of them. Use google. Then of course Quickbooks was one of the very first ones to run under Wine. The Crossover version of Wine does a good job running QB too. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 11:25:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47FPkcR026966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:25:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k47FPkCF026965 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:25:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47FPks3026961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:25:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47FPjji003512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:25:46 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47FPSlV015047 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:25:28 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1018279nzn for ; Sun, 07 May 2006 08:25:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PTz3B1uH5J2xu7ccz64f/sbQqxsyymUATbB6DFiSujW7JuK0Fph1QzUfGVb4RjBh2uzgmqe6P4I2WWIJCYsjjMkQ1xSHMima0TuJqq9zIqK6CtGqbTM+E0nqP6sM7o3fKlXB8Uj+JndtArgX/aDYfdDLYwo+VAGPuHYEptR9D8o= Received: by 10.65.234.18 with SMTP id l18mr585223qbr; Sun, 07 May 2006 08:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.210.9 with HTTP; Sun, 7 May 2006 08:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0605070825j4cc5f86en21f5857c9541a0dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:25:28 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash In-Reply-To: <200605071048.05195.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <200605071048.05195.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.221, required 6, AWL -0.38, BAYES_00 -2.60, FB_CASH_CAPS 0.76) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k47FPks2026962 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I gave QB 2005 a try in wine and it wouldn't install, let alone run...perhaps it's too late of a version to be supported. I might give a demo of XOver Office a try, but as a few of you have mentioned... it IS mission-critical software... This TurboCASH intrigues me however... I'm currently viewing their site/FAQ and see nothing about it running in Linux, however, if it can be used to successfully convert QB files into, say, gnucash-readable files, it might be worth it. Thanks :) On 5/7/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 04 May 2006 20:53, michael hast wrote: > > Hey, all! > > > > Do any of you guys have any experience with gnucash or any other > > accounting-type free and free software? Also, does any of you know what > > the hardware requirements are to run gnucash? I've just installed it on > > Debian 3.1, Kernel 2.6 with KDE on a 350MH PII with 192MB ram. When I > > go to start gnucash, it makes the icon bounce, brings up the little > > window that indicates that it is loading, and then farts. The app stops > > as if I had never tried to start it. I let the computer sit there for a > > long time thinking that it would just load slow on hardware that aged, > > but it would not come up at all. Any insight? Thanks. > > > > --Michael > > A few years ago I saw a list of commercial Linux accounting programs. There > were a number of them. Use google. > > Then of course Quickbooks was one of the very first ones to run under Wine. > The Crossover version of Wine does a good job running QB too. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be > capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. > A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. > From the Declaration Principles > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 11:47:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47FlAOr027102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:47:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k47FlA61027101 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:47:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47FlAk8027097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:47:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47FlA9I004256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:47:10 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47Fkwfu014554 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 11:46:58 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-133-223.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.133.223]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E3718D30C for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 08:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 11:46:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <200605071048.05195.steve@szmidt.org> <255f52a0605070825j4cc5f86en21f5857c9541a0dd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0605070825j4cc5f86en21f5857c9541a0dd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605071146.55701.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.749, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.75, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 07 May 2006 11:25, Possum wrote: > I gave QB 2005 a try in wine and it wouldn't install, let alone > run...perhaps it's too late of a version to be supported. I might > give a demo of XOver Office a try, but as > a few of you have mentioned... it IS mission-critical software... I've not used that combination for years so who knows what changes they have made. Then buy a commercial program. I bought and installed Accpac Corporate version on a Linux server and it ran just fine. Verify if the Linux front end is available. It does not depend on SQL as it says. I spent over $250,000 to customize it a couple of years ago. They claim using a SQL backend and so on which is totally false. It is otherwise one of the friendliest accounting programs I've seen in a long time. Uses BTREE backend from (I cannot recall their name, but starts with a P) which is a very service minded company. BTREE is also very fast. If you are not looking into customizing it then I can really recommend it. They have many modules and it scales very well. I had no problems installing and running it. Low CPU load on a RH server. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 16:17:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47KHGIh029204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:17:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k47KHGLQ029203 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:17:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47KHGsk029199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:17:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47KHGq4017371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:17:16 -0400 Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.73]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k47KGpwY024981 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:16:51 -0400 Received: from ibm69aec.bellsouth.net ([70.152.215.168]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060507201650.YTXN17968.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm69aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:16:50 -0400 Received: from fedora3.mflang.not ([70.152.215.168]) by ibm69aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060507201650.RZMI21011.ibm69aec.bellsouth.net@fedora3.mflang.not> for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 16:16:50 -0400 From: Max F Lang To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] discount on books Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 16:16:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <4459021D.3090008@washpat.com> <200605031713.38449.mario@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <200605031713.38449.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605071616.48952.mflang@bellsouth.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.863, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 03 May 2006 17:13, Mario Lombardo wrote: > On Wednesday 03 May 2006 15:18, aaron steimle wrote: > > from O'Reilly: > > Get 30% off a single book or 35% off two or more books from > > O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, PC Publishing, Pragmatic One thing to this program's regard: if you buy with the DSUG discount, OReilly will only send you the latest printing of the book. If you buy from a brick/mortar or online bookstore, you likely will get an older printing. And that may have odd mistakes corrected in newer printings. Of course, the newer printing may introduce new mistakes... ;) It shocked me going through the errata of Learning Perl, 3rd edition, that some mistakes were not corrected through several printings of the book, white some mistakes were corrected, and even a couple were introduced. Always check OReilly's online catalog for errata after buying an OReilly book. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 7 20:07:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4807GwY030940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:07:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4807Gbf030939 for slug-track29; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:07:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4807F5K030935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:07:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4807FU7028302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:07:15 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48070jJ027329 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:07:00 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4806xQn002533 for ; Sun, 7 May 2006 20:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 May 2006 20:07:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] DVD authoring Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: dvd/VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO I don't have tocgen. Where do I get it, or a functional equivalent? In short, what I have is this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1G May 7 16:35 Math-FAQ-Marathon.mpg It's 1:39 as is, and if I get hold of an appropriate editor I can trim at least 10 minutes from that. I want something I can play on a standard DVD player. I looked at creating a VCD, but apparently it's too long. :-( Anyhow, is there a better guide than what I'm trying to use? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 09:13:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48DDgsc004561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 09:13:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48DDfxf004560 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 09:13:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48DDeRb004551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 May 2006 09:13:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48DDdtx013701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 May 2006 09:13:39 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48DDIb6027975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 8 May 2006 09:13:18 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fd5Y4-000269-Jh; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:13:16 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E4AC56D9F; Mon, 8 May 2006 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:13:14 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.605, required 6, AWL -0.28, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** ********************* * *** CANCELLED *** * ********************* 9 May 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 10:27:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48ERkun005189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:27:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48ERkMr005188 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:27:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48ERkg3005184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:27:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48ERjTN017860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:27:45 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48ERMHK013771 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:27:22 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so966732wri for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:27:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RQ2uqFLXVxZ8J+IQubHWhkFT3pj8Fs3GL1ygoWaiL3x2fqrVpHd9/0QsAkzqdVpP/DZBLBRvsKAiXn2uPgILNTCHE97IyBeMZy5WrXZunB6GVcxRlDpsUz8iFFpj1ng49u5Zz6IeW9DiP7/ElQpc0eHFYWC2lbz22jpRZETge+U= Received: by 10.54.106.10 with SMTP id e10mr2299122wrc; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 07:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605080727w40ae287t24d378f90213e047@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:27:20 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 Final will be released on thursday, 11th of May. In-Reply-To: <200605061237.09741.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605061125.03655.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <200605061237.09741.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.101, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.50, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k48ERkg2005185 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Somehow my gut tells me that SuSE 10.1 is going be released on Thursday the > 11th... My magic 8ball says prospects look cloudy... -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 10:35:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EZPgP005239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:35:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48EZPrm005238 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:35:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EZOsD005234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:35:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EZOCK018224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:35:24 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EZ6PW001131 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:35:07 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so968333wri for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:35:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zpc2Ia3NnGL3X9rhsATzeO4JLb65cenhF7hzhyhy+Mf67fyr4qGXgPoopLE8kMlPHKf6fJ1/F7JnThL4JT+qJAI1DpLKQCSySRyAONAP8rN54o+OyhxP9wOi1SFQNYPP5z4ErMvrDU/YdjBGVlaCvLygD/QCpEJ+pcxVVpD4d1Q= Received: by 10.54.101.13 with SMTP id y13mr2289834wrb; Mon, 08 May 2006 07:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 07:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:35:06 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.054, required 6, AWL 0.34, BAYES_00 -2.60, FU_WITH_ID 0.20) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k48EZPsC005235 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > So I skipped down a ways, and the next real command is > > tocgen > dvd/VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO > > I don't have tocgen. Where do I get it, or a functional equivalent? > > In short, what I have is this: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1G May 7 16:35 Math-FAQ-Marathon.mpg > > It's 1:39 as is, and if I get hold of an appropriate editor I can trim at > least 10 minutes from that. > > I want something I can play on a standard DVD player. I looked at creating > a VCD, but apparently it's too long. :-( Anyhow, is there a better guide > than what I'm trying to use? Fairly easy from this point if you use dvdauthor - either make an xml file for menu/chapter layout, or: `dvdauthor -o dvdfs Math-FAQ-Marathon.mpg` `dvdauthor -o dvdfs -T` Then you can burn the dvd with: `growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/` http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/2058219 is decent. Also you may want to hit google's cache of http://bard.sytes.net/quickdvdhowto (which I wrote, but is slightly outdated; for example, you no longer have to encode the audio and video separately with mencoder). -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 10:51:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EpkOK005344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:51:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48EpkSd005343 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:51:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EpjMt005339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:51:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EpjYU019236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:51:45 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48EpVJJ023968 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:51:32 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48EpU5Y013431 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 10:52:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > So I skipped down a ways, and the next real command is >> >> tocgen > dvd/VIDEO_TS/VIDEO_TS.IFO >> >> I don't have tocgen. Where do I get it, or a functional equivalent? >> >> In short, what I have is this: >> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.1G May 7 16:35 Math-FAQ-Marathon.mpg >> >> It's 1:39 as is, and if I get hold of an appropriate editor I can trim at >> least 10 minutes from that. >> >> I want something I can play on a standard DVD player. I looked at creating >> a VCD, but apparently it's too long. :-( Anyhow, is there a better guide >> than what I'm trying to use? > > Fairly easy from this point if you use dvdauthor - either make an xml > file for menu/chapter layout, or: > `dvdauthor -o dvdfs Math-FAQ-Marathon.mpg` > `dvdauthor -o dvdfs -T` > > Then you can burn the dvd with: > `growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/` Thanks. I found out the file is 352 x 480; is that going to be a problem, or will dvdauthor recode it to a standard DVD resolution? Do you know an editor that'll read an MPEG2 file? kino wouldn't. I'd love to trim out the intro, outro and ads, unless dvdauthor's chapter structure can be rigged so they're not shown. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Derived from Robert Heinlein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 12:43:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48GhGkZ006234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:43:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48GhG7j006233 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:43:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48GhFfv006229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:43:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48GhCZ5026322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:43:15 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Ggu57012558 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:42:56 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so997068wri for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hdn6Ih4Lz2MkANqLMCbl2uUTLKO7LbI4YuwrvOrnK2L1DXmaoDAoha4zS9TRCCQdi9EOw+XajO2BCXzLlX2qV79019O7ngM1bb2jW+F85pNK5k9z23VMIpru0IfY87kjv+SbMxFzwFB029wgUp+/cbFA/RdfDugsBlKU+VvjQlk= Received: by 10.54.71.4 with SMTP id t4mr2452217wra; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 09:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 11:42:55 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.452, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k48GhFfu006230 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Thanks. I found out the file is 352 x 480; is that going to be a problem, > or will dvdauthor recode it to a standard DVD resolution? Eek. No, dvdauthor won't do it. However, you can reencode the file with mencoder or ffmpeg. ffmpeg is probably easiest: `ffmpeg -i input.mpg -target ntsc-dvd -r 29.970 output.mpg` > Do you know an editor that'll read an MPEG2 file? kino wouldn't. I'd love > to trim out the intro, outro and ads, unless dvdauthor's chapter structure > can be rigged so they're not shown. I don't know of a good GUI editor to do these things. If you don't mind CLIness, they can be done pretty easily with mencoder, using EDLs, which let you specify time ranges to be chopped out. You can probably also do it with chapters using dvdauthor; it's very flexible in that respect. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 13:18:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48HISBf006545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:18:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48HISIH006544 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:18:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48HISHB006540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:18:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48HIROW028551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:18:28 -0400 Received: from web52606.mail.yahoo.com (web52606.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.209]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k48HID7e030478 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:18:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 8392 invoked by uid 60001); 8 May 2006 16:55:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uhk/toibv/Lw+Gd+lBwPaoaY53NbYR8+iykOn1/pQgfrJjx8Klc0a+ApWxwdIAmK5fqRVwkTYKaFIm4jbuXDe96ryYqXbw60er45nZNojU4KxpasyEwK3fn1yzvVWhwd+4Vp3EVPD8qniYoc3g1BdD+XcsTUGJEAZ+FUtP3kq5Y= ; Message-ID: <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.40.173.160] by web52606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 May 2006 09:55:40 PDT Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:55:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Banschbach, SFO" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.511, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) Subject: [SLUG] Mail Servers X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK Guys.. Without attempting to start a free for all.. I need some suggestions for email servers that are fairly easy to configure.. AND.. wont have issues with the Management sorts who want to use Outlook ( some people never learn).. Thanks for the help in advance. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 13:39:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Hdv81006670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:39:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48HdvBM006669 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:39:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48HdvXf006665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:39:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48HdteA029543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:39:57 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48HdkRJ019590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:39:47 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k48HhLoo011273 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:43:21 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k48HhLu5011272; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:43:21 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.202 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26966.12.43.115.202.1147110201.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail Servers From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > OK Guys.. > > Without attempting to start a free for all.. > I need some suggestions for email servers that are > fairly easy to configure.. AND.. wont have issues with > the Management sorts who want to use Outlook ( some > people never learn).. > > Thanks for the help in advance. For the email server it doesn't matter too much if you use sendmail, postfix or whatever. I use cyrus-imapd which works well with Outlook and Thunderbird. If you want all the calendaring functionality, try Bynari (commercial). -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 14:20:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48IK9Tx007056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:20:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48IK9GX007055 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:20:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48IK9PL007051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:20:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48IK8CW032213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:20:09 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48IJrtZ001585 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:19:53 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so1017566wri for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qxx+dcKsuzHe+u92mFz7BgxBQVpY4JvBDM9SSaq09FeQSx0zmZQ1epxLjQwjK57SfW/m3ZED+Mzl1WWWcRwrRXTCAUPocZirS63+j7/hZTYDcbA3qHVFxT2aA44c1r3FmIzvuLVhvvBa+ITn1vqzr3EHA3xar+hB6DhaL5v/z/g= Received: by 10.54.101.13 with SMTP id y13mr2547723wrb; Mon, 08 May 2006 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 11:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605081119m3aa06051v6d1f4a677284c418@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 13:19:52 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail Servers In-Reply-To: <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.142, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k48IK9PK007052 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I recommend postfix for ease of configuration. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 14:41:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48IfKo8007180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:41:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48IfK00007179 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:41:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48IfKl9007175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:41:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48IfJ5x000717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:41:19 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48If5eY026316 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:41:06 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D293B3A5F5 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <445F90C5.9010702@mathey.org> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 14:41:09 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail Servers References: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310605081119m3aa06051v6d1f4a677284c418@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605081119m3aa06051v6d1f4a677284c418@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.532, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > I recommend postfix for ease of configuration. > > -- > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > x2 I have been using postfix for many years. It is arguably the easiest to configure as well as a great performer. It is also easy to integrate spam filtering\anti-virus\content filtering. Documentation and howto's have been easy to me to find. -Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 15:15:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JFF60007421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:15:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48JFF8P007420 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:15:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JFExL007416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:15:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JFDZC002533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:15:14 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JEO6H004957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:14:35 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k48J8jmv026120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:08:49 -0700 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FdBBJ-0001jE-CK for slug@nks.net; Mon, 08 May 2006 15:14:09 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail Servers Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 15:14:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605081514.09100.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Mon, 08 May 2006 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.353, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 08 May 2006 12:55, Mark Banschbach, SFO wrote: > OK Guys.. > > Without attempting to start a free for all.. > I need some suggestions for email servers that are > fairly easy to configure.. AND.. wont have issues with > the Management sorts who want to use Outlook ( some > people never learn).. I like Exim[1]. [1] http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/exim4_courier/ I'm adding something on TLS and authentication tokens presently. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 15:38:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JcrhM007633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:38:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48JcrP5007632 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:38:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Jcr2F007628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:38:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JcqXl003789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:38:52 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JciKK029643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:38:45 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FdBZ6-0000KA-6b for slug@nks.net; Mon, 08 May 2006 15:38:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EE656D9E for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <445F9E41.5040707@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:38:41 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail Servers References: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310605081119m3aa06051v6d1f4a677284c418@mail.gmail.com> <445F90C5.9010702@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <445F90C5.9010702@mathey.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.351, required 6, AWL -0.99, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chris Mathey wrote: > Levi Bard wrote: >> I recommend postfix for ease of configuration. >> >> > > x2 > x3 > I have been using postfix for many years. It is arguably the easiest to > configure as well as a great performer. It is also easy to integrate > spam filtering\anti-virus\content filtering. Documentation and howto's > have been easy to me to find. What he said. ;-} -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 15:39:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JdXW8007649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:39:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48JdX03007648 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:39:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JdXnq007644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:39:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JdWxU003808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:39:32 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JdH2k029673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:39:17 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JdHSS011152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:39:17 -0400 Message-ID: <445F9E64.3020406@nks.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:39:16 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail Servers References: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310605081119m3aa06051v6d1f4a677284c418@mail.gmail.com> <445F90C5.9010702@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <445F90C5.9010702@mathey.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.345, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chris Mathey wrote: > Levi Bard wrote: > >> I recommend postfix for ease of configuration. >> For SMTP: Sendmail Postfix Exim Qmail {insert your SMTP MTA of choice here} Pick one you like that can deliver mail locally to a mail folder structure that your IMAP/POP3 daemon can grok. For IMAP/POP3: Dovecot 1. Uses mbox/maildirs 2. Caches. 3. Has bug workarounds for numerous broken MUAs. Cygnus 1. Users its own storage (not mbox/maildirs) 2. Is very fast. 3. Can be tricky to build and install from the ground up for a novice. Wuimap sucks. Avoid it if you can. Seriously. Use Dovecot instead. There are dozens of others. I'm partial to Dovecot myself. We use Sendmail out of habit. Postfix + Dovecot is a good pairing. If you want calendaring, there are various Outlook plugins out there that can publish to a WebDAV or FTP sharepoint. If you need more integration than this, and want a bit more handholding, SuSE Linux Openexchange (SLOX) is what I would recommend you look into. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 15:41:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Jf6dP007687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:41:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48Jf6wd007686 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:41:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Jf5K3007682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:41:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Jf2k9003940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:41:05 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JenOO028429 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:40:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.122] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48Jelsp008245 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Need some laptop parts/advice From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 15:40:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1147117247.2243.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.022, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, HOT_NASTY 0.16) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello All As some of you may or may not know, I work with at risk teens and young adults at my church. One of them came to me knowing that I was a geek and showed me his laptop. Seems a sibling stepped on it and broke/cracked the lcd screen. The laptop is an IBM Thinkpad 390E. So, do any of you have an lcd screen that would work or have a reliable place that can sell me one VERY cheap? This kid does not have the money to pay and I have very little money to help. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 15:45:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JjlIJ007742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:45:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48JjlZm007741 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:45:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Jjl1e007737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:45:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Jjkmc004173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:45:47 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48JjaLS010215 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:45:37 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so1034518wri for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uF0d6i9Y2SoMvqcQZTWxgvT4gXj9vhCnT/eeaNyP2PnHn8oEfYg1eYqoL+E7krOIVrLWWqAKLGk4JqQhvWHGY9uEV3GXy4sUPt2YIHqqEOG18/UAOFoEiAXr88aDBn4LdpY/iP6WcfF/JbjIgZqF3flYUAKGu+4L5NgGuhzvOPw= Received: by 10.54.115.12 with SMTP id n12mr2656610wrc; Mon, 08 May 2006 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 12:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605081245r76acbb60sb7bf522cf3c501ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 14:45:36 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need some laptop parts/advice In-Reply-To: <1147117247.2243.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1147117247.2243.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.617, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.78, BAYES_50 0.00, HOT_NASTY 0.16) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k48Jjl1d007738 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > As some of you may or may not know, I work with at risk teens and young > adults at my church. One of them came to me knowing that I was a geek > and showed me his laptop. Seems a sibling stepped on it and > broke/cracked the lcd screen. > > The laptop is an IBM Thinkpad 390E. > > So, do any of you have an lcd screen that would work or have a reliable > place that can sell me one VERY cheap? This kid does not have the money > to pay and I have very little money to help. We got a good, inexpensive replacement panel for our laptop on ebay. F.ex. http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-THINKPAD-390-390E-390X-12-1-LCD-DISPLAY-PANEL_W0QQitemZ6854252190QQcategoryZ14298QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 16:45:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Kj4kK008204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:45:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48Kj4Am008203 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:45:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Kj30u008199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:45:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Kj3RF007398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:45:03 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Kiq56028113 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:44:52 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZUWBAtqSi7YgSycqFLhY2vRoJmKd/uWltR9ELSF2zDtMyUxG60BUjDJal4/hkcMp; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FdCb6-0005Xw-Nc for slug@nks.net; Mon, 08 May 2006 16:44:52 -0400 From: S0TL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 Final will be released on Thursday, 11th of May. Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:44:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200605061125.03655.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <200605061237.09741.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310605080727w40ae287t24d378f90213e047@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605080727w40ae287t24d378f90213e047@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605081644.54707.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c260984ca2d1480a0ee146569c7fde3f0f5c9548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.392, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.21, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 08 May 2006 10:27 am, Levi Bard wrote: > > Somehow my gut tells me that SuSE 10.1 is going be released on Thursday > > the 11th... > > My magic 8ball says prospects look cloudy... > > -- > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > I got the following from SuSE today which of course does not say OpenSuSE will be released on the 11 th but then OpenSuSE has never missed a 10.1 release date by more than 1 or 2 days before so I would start looking for it around 5:00 PM European Standard Time which is 1600 GMT. I will leave it to you to figure out the exact time EST but I generally have found that the net has quited down around 5:00 PM EST on a Friday night to start downloading. As for myself I am going to wait and see what happens with the box set below before I do anything as I have to have a box set to install SuSE or for that matter any Linux distribution into the old laptop. Why a box set? It seems that with out the preparatory winmodem and a few other preparatory files the old laptop just does not work all that well. Cheerio and all. Frank > Hello, > > SUSE Linux 10.1 is now finished, and we would like to thank our beta > testers by offering a free box of the final SUSE Linux 10.1 product to > our most active testers. If you would like to get this free (as in > "beer" ;-) box, please send the following information back to me by > wednesday, may 10, 8:00 UTC: > > Name : > Address 1 : > Address 2 : > Address 3 : > Address 4 : > City : > State : > Zip : > Country Name : > Country Code : > > > Regards, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 16:50:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48KoIJ6008239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:50:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48KoIuU008238 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:50:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48KoHjo008234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:50:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48KoHDc007601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:50:17 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.200]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Ko1Gs014215 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 16:50:01 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1296952nzn for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 13:50:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c+BGNG2paLiad6V3SRtGbEDIs34KWrYwGXfa6tUvKdqS3+4PQGkpVuZkcVeRBAcA27Qb7ue5lSj3HCghuNcg3QWkA8RssehIQhbSrxQYBeGcuV6lHR2W2SiXRyHPYLUDrN5znY/c2yP6OmsC8NHr1J50TUsafPW7OsWHcs1TExQ= Received: by 10.64.10.13 with SMTP id 13mr1243557qbj; Mon, 08 May 2006 13:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.210.9 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 13:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0605081350k5a20b138x4f0b0c5facf2c2b8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 16:50:00 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash In-Reply-To: <200605071146.55701.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <200605071048.05195.steve@szmidt.org> <255f52a0605070825j4cc5f86en21f5857c9541a0dd@mail.gmail.com> <200605071146.55701.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k48KoHjn008235 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Err...I was skimming through Accpac's site...and just...wow! It's a bit much for small business accounting (ala Quickbooks), but it looks like an awesome program nonetheless. The front-end you speak of is not listed on the site, and it lists WINE as a system requirement. If I can't find a viable alternative to QB for small business accounting, I will be sure to give this a second thought, but I'd like to try to turn my dad onto GNUCash or something similar first. Thanks :) On 5/7/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Sunday 07 May 2006 11:25, Possum wrote: > > I gave QB 2005 a try in wine and it wouldn't install, let alone > > run...perhaps it's too late of a version to be supported. I might > > give a demo of XOver Office a try, but as > > a few of you have mentioned... it IS mission-critical software... > > I've not used that combination for years so who knows what changes they have > made. Then buy a commercial program. > > I bought and installed Accpac Corporate version on a Linux server and it ran > just fine. Verify if the Linux front end is available. It does not depend on > SQL as it says. I spent over $250,000 to customize it a couple of years ago. > They claim using a SQL backend and so on which is totally false. > > It is otherwise one of the friendliest accounting programs I've seen in a long > time. Uses BTREE backend from (I cannot recall their name, but starts with a > P) which is a very service minded company. BTREE is also very fast. > > If you are not looking into customizing it then I can really recommend it. > They have many modules and it scales very well. I had no problems installing > and running it. Low CPU load on a RH server. > > > -- > > Steve Szmidt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 17:31:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LVVJw008587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:31:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48LVVZA008586 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:31:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LVUuW008582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:31:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LVTER009753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:31:30 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LVEde017486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:31:14 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k48LPgdE002777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:25:46 -0700 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FdDJq-0004on-0P for slug@nks.net; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:31:06 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:31:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <200605071146.55701.steve@szmidt.org> <255f52a0605081350k5a20b138x4f0b0c5facf2c2b8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0605081350k5a20b138x4f0b0c5facf2c2b8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605081731.05706.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Mon, 08 May 2006 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.82, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.82, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 08 May 2006 16:50, Possum wrote: > Err...I was skimming through Accpac's site...and just...wow! > > It's a bit much for small business accounting (ala Quickbooks), but it > looks like an awesome program nonetheless. The front-end you speak of > is not listed on the site, and it lists WINE as a system requirement. > > If I can't find a viable alternative to QB for small business > accounting, I will be sure to give this a second thought, but I'd like > to try to turn my dad onto GNUCash or something similar first. Don't force it. That spells disaster. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 17:40:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Lelrd008662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:40:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48Lel0C008661 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:40:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LelmV008657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:40:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Lek1D010084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:40:46 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LeV29032448 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:40:31 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so1307130nzn for ; Mon, 08 May 2006 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eS+KBbjkO0UoDwPab8FfoXfkj4MLovwhNeNKRpf0DYtp8hN6EH+sd55aoR1O+M+QrQx0KIIEzUwjAEvBdLjszYHCHA07ntLRDAD6i6oQ95SZCktie99QtnwAuv+egAslnhjfK4cm3yiGtHkJOoBwl0uc70MoqUlZ2UfdSPSMrZI= Received: by 10.64.180.14 with SMTP id c14mr1271701qbf; Mon, 08 May 2006 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.210.9 with HTTP; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0605081440w732ff8bai9bada36bdb1be117@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:40:30 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Re: gnucash In-Reply-To: <200605081731.05706.jasonb@edseek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <200605071146.55701.steve@szmidt.org> <255f52a0605081350k5a20b138x4f0b0c5facf2c2b8@mail.gmail.com> <200605081731.05706.jasonb@edseek.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.369, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.37, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k48LelmU008658 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Haha, that's a given! I didn't force them on Linux, in fact, I asked permission to install it (Ubuntu)... They like it because it runs MUCH faster than winXP, but don't use it as primary OS simply because they can't do their business... That said, I would never dream of FORCING any kind of software onto anybody....Offer someone an alternative (the way I got turned onto Linux is because my legally bought M$ Office was giving me crap after a reinstallation of Windoze and I found OpenOffice.org to replace it on an anti-M$ website), they will decide which they prefer and whether they want to try the alternative at all. Thanks On 5/8/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > On Monday 08 May 2006 16:50, Possum wrote: > > Err...I was skimming through Accpac's site...and just...wow! > > > > It's a bit much for small business accounting (ala Quickbooks), but it > > looks like an awesome program nonetheless. The front-end you speak of > > is not listed on the site, and it lists WINE as a system requirement. > > > > If I can't find a viable alternative to QB for small business > > accounting, I will be sure to give this a second thought, but I'd like > > to try to turn my dad onto GNUCash or something similar first. > > Don't force it. That spells disaster. > > -- > > Jason Boxman > http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 17:56:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LulpY008758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:56:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48Lul99008757 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:56:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LukMC008753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:56:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LukUb010681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:56:46 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Luao1023323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:56:36 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k48Lp9nH004483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 14:51:10 -0700 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FdDiT-0005ND-92 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 08 May 2006 17:56:33 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: gnucash Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:56:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <200605081731.05706.jasonb@edseek.com> <255f52a0605081440w732ff8bai9bada36bdb1be117@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0605081440w732ff8bai9bada36bdb1be117@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605081756.32938.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Mon, 08 May 2006 14:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.313, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.31, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 08 May 2006 17:40, Possum wrote: > Haha, that's a given! > > I didn't force them on Linux, in fact, I asked permission to install > it (Ubuntu)... They like it because it runs MUCH faster than winXP, > but don't use it as primary OS simply because they can't do their > business... > > That said, I would never dream of FORCING any kind of software onto > anybody....Offer someone an alternative (the way I got turned onto > Linux is because my legally bought M$ Office was giving me crap after > a reinstallation of Windoze and I found OpenOffice.org to replace it > on an anti-M$ website), they will decide which they prefer and whether > they want to try the alternative at all. Absolutely. I just don't want you to have unrealistic expectations about how effective GnuCash will be for a small business and to recognize that you can still make a move to Linux without compromising Quicken/Quick Books if it's still a requirement. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 17:57:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LvkIx008774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:57:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48LvjpK008773 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Lvjtt008769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LvjmA010712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:57:45 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48LvTPP020563 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:57:30 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532233hfc181.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.233.181]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k48LvSwq029463 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 17:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Tampa meeting cancelled Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 17:57:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605081757.24678.mario@alienscience.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.063, required 6, AWL -0.25, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, I was working hard at the thin-client demonstration; SGI, SPARC, PC, Mac, etc.. HCC is closed, so since we don't have the A/V stuff I was looking for, the meeting is cancelled. Paul has already issued the post, so this is just more of the same with a reason. The notice came late, so sorry to burst your bubbles. I was looking forward to it. Perhaps I could do one at St. Pete and then Tampa next month? /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 18:01:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48M1qnl008885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:01:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48M1q4C008884 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:01:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48M1pLW008880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:01:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48M1poc011179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:01:51 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48M1h62008833 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:01:43 -0400 Received: from athlon2400 (242818hfc166.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.28.18.166]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k48M1gL5016229 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c672ea$fe2ccb20$0300a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <1147117247.2243.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need some laptop parts/advice Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:01:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.312, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, HOT_NASTY 0.16) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Wright" To: Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: [SLUG] Need some laptop parts/advice > Hello All > > As some of you may or may not know, I work with at risk teens and young > adults at my church. One of them came to me knowing that I was a geek > and showed me his laptop. Seems a sibling stepped on it and > broke/cracked the lcd screen. > > The laptop is an IBM Thinkpad 390E. > > So, do any of you have an lcd screen that would work or have a reliable > place that can sell me one VERY cheap? This kid does not have the money > to pay and I have very little money to help. > > Regards > Russ > I have a few 13" LCD's laying around not doing much. You can have one if you want to come get it. They are dell and toshiba screens. I do not have any 12 " screens. JamesS penroses@tampabay.rr.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 18:55:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Mt08A009241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:55:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k48Mt0hD009240 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:55:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48Mt02h009236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:55:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48MsxUu013418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:55:00 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k48MsgJp001301 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 18:54:46 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-141-43.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.141.43]) by randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78832B6DEE for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 15:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 Final will be released on Thursday, 11th of May. Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 18:54:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605061125.03655.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <1a3a3e310605080727w40ae287t24d378f90213e047@mail.gmail.com> <200605081644.54707.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200605081644.54707.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605081854.39911.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.818, required 6, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 08 May 2006 16:44, S0TL wrote: > ... but then OpenSuSE has never missed a 10.1 release date by more than 1 > or 2 days before ... Yes, I thought I'd seen a few of these 10.1 releases... : ) -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 20:05:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4905Af3009815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:05:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4905AEM009814 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:05:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49059lM009810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:05:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4905916016785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:05:09 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k490517p018893 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:05:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060509000459.XEML14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 20:04:59 -0400 Message-ID: <445FEB99.8010008@cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 20:08:41 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] gnucash References: <445AA226.1040202@cox.net> <200605071048.05195.steve@szmidt.org> <255f52a0605070825j4cc5f86en21f5857c9541a0dd@mail.gmail.com> <200605071146.55701.steve@szmidt.org> <255f52a0605081350k5a20b138x4f0b0c5facf2c2b8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0605081350k5a20b138x4f0b0c5facf2c2b8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.593, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.59, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Possum wrote: > Err...I was skimming through Accpac's site...and just...wow! > > It's a bit much for small business accounting (ala Quickbooks), but it > looks like an awesome program nonetheless. The front-end you speak of > is not listed on the site, and it lists WINE as a system requirement. > > If I can't find a viable alternative to QB for small business > accounting, I will be sure to give this a second thought, but I'd like > to try to turn my dad onto GNUCash or something similar first. > > Thanks :) > Speaking of GNUCash, since that was the original subject of this thread, I thought you might like to hear the resolution that I ultimately came to. I'm not sure what I had jacked up that was keeping the thing from working, but apparently that was the issue. Since it was a new install, I tried the old tried-and-true nuke and reinstall. Now, it works fine. I can't believe how fast an application of that size runs on this PII! I would like to get to the level that I can get in there and figure out WHAT is wrong and FIX it, but in the meantime, I'm afraid that a fresh install is sometimes the best solution. Thanks, everyone! --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 8 21:14:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k491Eb5A010311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k491Eb5s010310 for slug-track29; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k491EaBW010306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k491EaCP019959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:36 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k491ENdg032234 for ; Mon, 8 May 2006 21:14:23 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 May 2006 19:14:22 -0600 Message-Id: <445FB4A1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Mon, 08 May 2006 19:14:09 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mail Servers References: <20060508131314.7E4AC56D9F@sherman.mars.lan> <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Mon, May 8, 2006 at 12:55 PM, in message <20060508165540.8390.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com>, "Mark Banschbach, SFO" wrote: > OK Guys.. > > Without attempting to start a free for all.. > I need some suggestions for email servers that are > fairly easy to configure.. AND.. wont have issues with > the Management sorts who want to use Outlook ( some > people never learn).. > > Thanks for the help in advance. > > Mark > Not giving any specific requirements I would choose Novell's Netmail, but then again I'm biased. The easiest to configure compared to anything mentioned and has a web client, spam filtering, antivirus, standards based calendaring (ical) and a host of other features ready to go with a simple installation and it works with outlook. SUSE Linux OpenXchange is no longer available. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 9 08:29:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49CTvNS015583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:29:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k49CTvub015582 for slug-track29; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:29:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49CTuOF015578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:29:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49CTuEi029887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:29:56 -0400 Received: from smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49CTgg5022416 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 08:29:42 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RCAACfIYGpS9IVDqw0pZ3yK/pJ6g60oYJWN5OPV0ZyZ1wR3lqnRwiT6+FRWxKPBH; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FdRLS-0007tz-Cp for slug@nks.net; Tue, 09 May 2006 08:29:42 -0400 From: S0TL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE Linux 10.1 Final will be released on Thursday, 11th of May. Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 08:29:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200605061125.03655.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <200605081644.54707.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <200605081854.39911.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605081854.39911.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605090829.47034.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c2609003fbcbb57a224fc08e5e06934205e6f387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.699, required 6, AWL 1.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 08 May 2006 06:54 pm, steve szmidt wrote: > On Monday 08 May 2006 16:44, S0TL wrote: > > ... but then OpenSuSE has never missed a 10.1 release date by more than > > 1 or 2 days before ... > > Yes, I thought I'd seen a few of these 10.1 releases... : ) Sorrry this should have been: but then OpenSuSE has never missed a 10.1 ALPHA or BETA or RC release date by more than ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 9 09:30:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DUcEB016103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:30:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k49DUcJZ016102 for slug-track29; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:30:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DUbGY016098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:30:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DUbv8000982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:30:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DUIl3017770 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:30:18 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.122] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DUH7L008342 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need some laptop parts/advice From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <001101c672ea$fe2ccb20$0300a8c0@athlon2400> References: <1147117247.2243.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <001101c672ea$fe2ccb20$0300a8c0@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:30:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1147181417.2267.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.735, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 18:01 -0400, James wrote: > > > I have a few 13" LCD's laying around not doing much. You can have one if you > want to come get it. They are dell and toshiba screens. I do not have any 12 > " screens. > > JamesS > penroses@tampabay.rr.com > James that is very generous. Thanks. Do you happen to know of a cross reference chart that will tell me if the LCD screen you have will work? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 9 09:31:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DVLem016119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:31:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k49DVL2k016118 for slug-track29; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:31:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DVKIN016114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:31:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DVK2t001018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:31:20 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k49DVARV027385 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:31:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.122] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k49DV9iA006162 for ; Tue, 9 May 2006 09:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need some laptop parts/advice From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605081245r76acbb60sb7bf522cf3c501ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <1147117247.2243.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1a3a3e310605081245r76acbb60sb7bf522cf3c501ed@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 09:31:08 -0400 Message-Id: <1147181469.2267.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 (2.6.1-1.fc5.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.135, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2006-05-08 at 14:45 -0500, Levi Bard wrote: > We got a good, inexpensive replacement panel for our laptop on ebay. > > F.ex. Levi Looks like a good solution. Appreciate the help. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 02:19:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4A6J3ix023745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:19:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4A6J3Tk023744 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4A6J3TT023740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4A6J3rp019337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:19:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4A6IkDM007550 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:18:46 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4A6Ijdn006011 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 02:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:19:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > Thanks. I found out the file is 352 x 480; is that going to be a problem, >> or will dvdauthor recode it to a standard DVD resolution? > > Eek. No, dvdauthor won't do it. However, you can reencode the file > with mencoder or ffmpeg. ffmpeg is probably easiest: `ffmpeg -i > input.mpg -target ntsc-dvd -r 29.970 output.mpg` Found allowed resolutions for DVD: ,-- | Note that the DVD format only specifically supports 720x480, | 704x480, 352x480, and 352x240 resolutions for NTSC '-- and it goes on and lists other for PAL. So, assuming I can get the video recorded in one of those (which I can), do you know a way to skip the recoding step? It seems like the video goes through a lot of transformations; that can't be good for it. Also, the sound from this DVR comes out really quiet. PITA; I have the stereo cranked up to compensate. A bit jarring when I switch inputs. But that's not what I wanted to talk about. As I can't find a way to get ffmpeg to amplify the sound during conversion, I instead do it externally. I separate the audio: ffmpeg -i movie.mpg -f wav temp-sound.wav check its level: sox temp-sound.wav junk.nul stat -v (returns "5.245") amplify it: sox -v 5.2 temp-sound.wav sound.wav (brings the loudest peaks to 99.14% of maximum amplitude; sox reports "1.009", which is consistent) and merge that with the video during conversion: ffmpeg -i movie.mpg -i sound.wav -target dvd -b 4000 -ss 0:08:12 -t 1:55:59 -s 352x240 -map 0:1 -map 1:0 movie-352x240.vob (the original is 352x240) But, when I re-extract the sound from the vob and check its level, it's around half as loud as when it went in (not exactly half; then I'd be REALLY suspicious). Is this an artifact of the conversion to ac3, or is there some option that I don't notice that controls this? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb watermelon in your colon. Trade toothbrushes with an albino dwarf, then give a hickey to Meryl Streep. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 09:49:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ADnUbY027275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:49:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ADnUlo027274 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:49:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ADnTu8027270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:49:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ADnTmi014804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:49:29 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ADnBdx016005 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:49:11 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so151707wra for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:49:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C16QhgJBueZKpbpiJSfLvbxp9YYr85Bdz6pqvdFqBQFxfL7GnvcOZigp1XG/Jl8dCW4+5KIICE5aKgo70hCRac+U4G2VvKK28x4m6f8SfEPBkdW1S9dwT0WEeUFmEcO1FenR1MN30vMNfJvmTu3+82XjB8PoTsnchmg9M+8/vqE= Received: by 10.54.126.4 with SMTP id y4mr944136wrc; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 06:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605100649o7e7046ebva9ab5ec5bb053bbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 08:49:10 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.492, required 6, AWL -1.32, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, TW_GT 0.08, TW_MJ 0.08, TW_PG 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4ADnTu7027271 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Found allowed resolutions for DVD: > > ,-- > | Note that the DVD format only specifically supports 720x480, > | 704x480, 352x480, and 352x240 resolutions for NTSC > '-- > So, assuming I can get the video recorded in one of those (which I can), do > you know a way to skip the recoding step? It seems like the video goes > through a lot of transformations; that can't be good for it. The only one I've actually recorded video with (on dvd) is 720x480, so I can't give a definitive answer about the other resolutions. > As I can't find a way to get ffmpeg to amplify the sound during > conversion, I instead do it externally. I separate the audio: > > ffmpeg -i movie.mpg -f wav temp-sound.wav > > check its level: > > sox temp-sound.wav junk.nul stat -v > > (returns "5.245") > > amplify it: > > sox -v 5.2 temp-sound.wav sound.wav > > (brings the loudest peaks to 99.14% of maximum amplitude; sox reports > "1.009", which is consistent) > > and merge that with the video during conversion: > > ffmpeg -i movie.mpg -i sound.wav -target dvd -b 4000 -ss 0:08:12 -t 1:55:59 > -s 352x240 -map 0:1 -map 1:0 movie-352x240.vob > > (the original is 352x240) > > But, when I re-extract the sound from the vob and check its level, it's > around half as loud as when it went in (not exactly half; then I'd be REALLY > suspicious). Is this an artifact of the conversion to ac3, or is there some > option that I don't notice that controls this? When you recombine the files with ffmpeg, does it show two audio tracks? (The original one in movie.mpg, then the one you normalized?) If so, you may need to select the second audio track when playing back to get the louder one. If not, I might try doing the mapping to the new resolution with ffmpeg first, then demuxing the video and audio using mpgdemux (part of the mpgtx package), then normalizing the audio as you've done, converting to ac3 or mp2, then remuxing with mplex (part of the mjpegtools package). Kind of a PITA, I know - such is the joy of video authoring. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 12:15:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGFQbj028412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4AGFQ1l028411 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGFQV8028407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGFP5E022639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:25 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGF8EP019337 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:09 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AGF6Im016007 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605100649o7e7046ebva9ab5ec5bb053bbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605100649o7e7046ebva9ab5ec5bb053bbc@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > Found allowed resolutions for DVD: >> >> ,-- >> | Note that the DVD format only specifically supports 720x480, >> | 704x480, 352x480, and 352x240 resolutions for NTSC >> '-- >> So, assuming I can get the video recorded in one of those (which I can), do >> you know a way to skip the recoding step? It seems like the video goes >> through a lot of transformations; that can't be good for it. > > The only one I've actually recorded video with (on dvd) is 720x480, so > I can't give a definitive answer about the other resolutions. It's from dvdauthor(1). I'll treal that as gospel. >> But, when I re-extract the sound from the vob and check its level, it's >> around half as loud as when it went in (not exactly half; then I'd be >> REALLY suspicious). Is this an artifact of the conversion to ac3, or is >> there some option that I don't notice that controls this? > > When you recombine the files with ffmpeg, does it show two audio > tracks? No: Input #0, mpeg, from 'movie.mpg': Duration: 02:09:52.1, start: 0.155878, bitrate: 2281 kb/s Stream #0.0[0x1c0]: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 224 kb/s Stream #0.1[0x1e0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 352x240, 29.97 fps, 2000 kb/s Input #1, wav, from 'sound.wav': Duration: 02:09:52.8, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 1536 kb/s Stream #1.0: Audio: pcm_s16le, 48000 Hz, stereo, 1536 kb/s Assuming NTSC for target. Output #0, dvd, to 'movie-352x240.vob': Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 352x240, 29.97 fps, q=2-31, 4000 kb/s Stream #0.1: Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, stereo, 448 kb/s Stream mapping: Stream #0.1 -> #0.0 Stream #1.0 -> #0.1 That's what the "-map" options control. It took a bit of fiddling to get them right. > If not, I might try doing the mapping to the new resolution with > ffmpeg first, then demuxing the video and audio using mpgdemux (part > of the mpgtx package), then normalizing the audio as you've done, > converting to ac3 or mp2, then remuxing with mplex (part of the > mjpegtools package). > > Kind of a PITA, I know - such is the joy of video authoring. Yeah. Rule #1: Keep your source & destination files on IDE, not USB, drives. Rule #2: If one of them _is_ on USB, don't have _both_ of them on USB. Seems rather hard on the quality, going through all those recompressions. Unless mpgdemux/mplex can be convinced not to recompress, just leave the format alone? The sox step doesn't involve any extra recompression steps, as it's already going from mp2 -> linear -> ac3, I just change that to mp2 -> linear -> louder linear -> ac3. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar And we never failed to fail / It was the easiest thing to do -- CSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 12:26:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGQHnT028550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:26:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4AGQHrH028549 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:26:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGQGlg028545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:26:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGQGIl023179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:26:16 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AGQ6px020159 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 12:26:07 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so708704wra for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RtEzl0/CrO7HnNF7qdm9HLXqaN2eIvF0rZ7B5Dyw8i7dh6swkc6LSjt5UeIIw4nSUttMRDztZ0p82jDGmjOQ6wi6FgPU0UQ2PFMpQlL5j5xxq08h35mRHcSIc7WqKW730sMOUlTajMOVJTYmdFDeqlJJLmdBrfFyZaoYy5aKxKo= Received: by 10.54.82.15 with SMTP id f15mr5376992wrb; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 09:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605100926p34cf9d6bg783ec2877aee1923@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:26:05 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605100649o7e7046ebva9ab5ec5bb053bbc@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.005, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_05 -1.11, TW_PG 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4AGQHlf028546 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Seems rather hard on the quality, going through all those recompressions. > Unless mpgdemux/mplex can be convinced not to recompress, just leave the > format alone? > > The sox step doesn't involve any extra recompression steps, as it's already > going from mp2 -> linear -> ac3, I just change that to mp2 -> linear -> > louder linear -> ac3. Actually mpgdemux just splits the file into separate (still encoded) audio and video streams, and mplex takes separate (encoded) audio and video streams and multiplexes them into a complete mpeg stream. So no loss of quality there -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 13:28:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHSrVk029021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4AHSq9f029020 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHSqlx029016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHSqoL026101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:52 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHSbSc003881 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:37 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AHSahM018230 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:29:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605100926p34cf9d6bg783ec2877aee1923@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605100649o7e7046ebva9ab5ec5bb053bbc@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605100926p34cf9d6bg783ec2877aee1923@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > Seems rather hard on the quality, going through all those recompressions. >> Unless mpgdemux/mplex can be convinced not to recompress, just leave the >> format alone? >> >> The sox step doesn't involve any extra recompression steps, as it's already >> going from mp2 -> linear -> ac3, I just change that to mp2 -> linear -> >> louder linear -> ac3. > > Actually mpgdemux just splits the file into separate (still encoded) > audio and video streams, and mplex takes separate (encoded) audio and > video streams and multiplexes them into a complete mpeg stream. So no > loss of quality there Cool. Umm, I don't have mpgdemux. These files are in the "mjpegtools" package (only the ones in *bin* shown). Will one of them do? (Probably not the *yuv* or *.flt or *p[np]m* ones...) /usr/bin/mpeg2enc /usr/bin/mjpeg_simd_helper /usr/bin/lav2wav /usr/bin/lav2yuv /usr/bin/yuvmedianfilter /usr/bin/lavaddwav /usr/bin/lavtrans /usr/bin/ypipe /usr/bin/yuv2lav /usr/bin/transist.flt /usr/bin/matteblend.flt /usr/bin/multiblend.flt /usr/bin/lavpipe /usr/bin/yuvscaler /usr/bin/yuvcorrect /usr/bin/yuvcorrect_tune /usr/bin/jpeg2yuv /usr/bin/ppmtoy4m /usr/bin/pnmtoy4m /usr/bin/y4mtoppm /usr/bin/y4mtopnm /usr/bin/pgmtoy4m /usr/bin/y4mcolorbars /usr/bin/lavinfo /usr/bin/y4mshift /usr/bin/y4mspatialfilter /usr/bin/y4mstabilizer /usr/bin/yuvfps /usr/bin/y4mhist /usr/bin/y4mblack /usr/bin/y4mtoyuv /usr/bin/y4minterlace /usr/bin/yuv4mpeg /usr/bin/yuyvtoy4m /usr/bin/yuvinactive /usr/bin/yuvplay /usr/bin/lavrec /usr/bin/testrec /usr/bin/lavvideo /usr/bin/lavplay /usr/bin/png2yuv /usr/bin/mp2enc /usr/bin/mplex /usr/bin/anytovcd.sh /usr/bin/lav2avi.sh /usr/bin/lav2mpeg /usr/bin/mpegtranscode /usr/bin/yuvdenoise /usr/bin/yuvycsnoise /usr/bin/yuvkineco /usr/bin/yuvdeinterlace /usr/bin/y4mdenoise /usr/bin/y4munsharp -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 13:50:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHoaNw029160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:50:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4AHoa4P029159 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:50:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHoZgd029155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:50:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHoXcu026922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:50:34 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AHoAKM026809 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 13:50:10 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so204824wra for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ip9Yx8pjpjwmsmwSUCzbY7qe98kGB/kJQAA9IxzlQSuYzzWE3WVpBaiQtgDNyACC1mhZ62efcp6UvjskFGWXYwui7Pj3qBhQrppyE2WMF2Cru1ueuDkthqy2iWhqZ49VbLvVedJm3TlNaE73xQX5KsUoCjlsaOszuzbL/Onye/Q= Received: by 10.54.121.18 with SMTP id t18mr24098wrc; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605101050m64b89f85iac371a4d5c163bf8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:50:09 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD authoring In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310605080735s631aa787k64d2f7f498147d1c@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605080942m1400a4cet19c973895e30fc19@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605100649o7e7046ebva9ab5ec5bb053bbc@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310605100926p34cf9d6bg783ec2877aee1923@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.066, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_00 -2.60, TW_GT 0.08, TW_MJ 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4AHoZgc029156 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Cool. Umm, I don't have mpgdemux. These files are in the "mjpegtools" > package (only the ones in *bin* shown). Will one of them do? (Probably not > the *yuv* or *.flt or *p[np]m* ones...) mpgdemux is part of the mpgtx package. For some reason, the mjpegtools package doesn't include a demuxer. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 15:02:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AJ2wfI029737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:02:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4AJ2w10029736 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:02:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AJ2wNF029732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:02:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AJ2vjM030214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:02:57 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AJ2Zn2017568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:02:42 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4AJ606f023013 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:06:01 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4AJ60n5023012; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:06:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.202 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 May 2006 15:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35506.12.43.115.202.1147287960.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 15:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Xen From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.046, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.04, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello all: I recently did a talk for my local lug and covered Xen virtualization. I've put my really proteal notes on my website. It's somewhat Fedora-centric, but some is applicable to other distros. Hope someone will find it useful: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/xen -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 18:12:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AMCZNb031157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4AMCZPN031156 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AMCYmj031152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AMCY0q006035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:35 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4AMCLww017440 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:21 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4AMCJow021916 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] Firefox Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:25:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ANPOgT031748 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:25:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANPNWF031744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:25:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANPN06009203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:25:23 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANPA4u020290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:25:10 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.69] (pool-71-251-87-40.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.251.87.40]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANP9nf022993 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:25:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44627650.5060607@blenke.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:25:04 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox References: In-Reply-To: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060209060804010502070709" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060209060804010502070709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eben King wrote: > Theses are more FF questions than Linux ones (unless the behaviors are > Linux-specific), but here goes: > > How do I stop the temporary popup images (such as on > http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_schedule/index.jhtml)? Gotta have JS > for that page's functionality. :-( Looks like I screwed up testing it, > though -- I removed some ad-related cookies but not other, and now the > script is wedged. Lousy error handling. But I digress. I get no popups with 32bit firefox 1.5.0.3 with flash enabled going to http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_schedule/index.jhtml I also get no popups with 64bit firefox 1.0.8 without flash going to the same page. I've tried with the adblock plugin enabled and disabled under 32bit, same effect. > Also, exiting from X doesn't seem to trigger FF's "only keep cookies > during this session" semi-automatic cookie removal. Is there a way to > remove cookies older than X days that I can run as desired? > > Also, http://dsc.discovery.com/schedule/schedule.jsp?channel=DSC > spawns a popup (when I forget and have JS on, and yes, I have [X] > Block Popup Windows, and no no variant of that site is listed in > "Allowed Sites", and no, I don't have Flash. What's the deal? Trying that same link here: no popups. Same as above. > Since my computer runs Ubuntu, this is version 1.0. (Is there an > upgrade that doesn't involve too much mucking about in the OS innards?) I'm running Ubuntu breezy on an amd64 box. Most of my browsing now is using a 32bit Firefox 1.5.0.3 (for flash, etc). What version of Firefox are you running? Does upgrading help? - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ --------------060209060804010502070709 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ian.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ian.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian C. Blenke n:Blenke;Ian email;internet:ian.blenke.com tel;home:813.784.6020 version:2.1 end:vcard --------------060209060804010502070709-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 19:36:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANaFpl031816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ANaFVY031815 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANaFSO031811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANaE5J009543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:15 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ANa1mk017416 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:01 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ANa0gq024249 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 19:36:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox In-Reply-To: <44627650.5060607@blenke.com> Message-ID: References: <44627650.5060607@blenke.com> X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King wrote: > >> Since my computer runs Ubuntu, this is version 1.0. (Is there an >> upgrade that doesn't involve too much mucking about in the OS innards?) > > I'm running Ubuntu breezy on an amd64 box. > > Most of my browsing now is using a 32bit Firefox 1.5.0.3 (for flash, etc). > > What version of Firefox are you running? 1.0.7 > Does upgrading help? I see only an upgrade to 1.0.8 available. Where do you get the more recent one? -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make ... a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator[.] -- GHWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 20:02:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B02OCJ032041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4B02OmU032040 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B02OoS032036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B02O8j010713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:24 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B028VR023863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:08 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.69] (pool-71-251-87-40.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.251.87.40]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B028oA024559 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:08 -0400 Message-ID: <44627EFF.6000309@nks.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 20:02:07 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox References: <44627650.5060607@blenke.com> In-Reply-To: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020909000201020404010102" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020909000201020404010102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2006, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > >> Eben King wrote: >> >>> Since my computer runs Ubuntu, this is version 1.0. (Is there an >>> upgrade that doesn't involve too much mucking about in the OS innards?) >> >> I'm running Ubuntu breezy on an amd64 box. >> >> Most of my browsing now is using a 32bit Firefox 1.5.0.3 (for flash, >> etc). >> >> What version of Firefox are you running? > > 1.0.7 > >> Does upgrading help? > > I see only an upgrade to 1.0.8 available. Where do you get the more > recent one? Manually, following the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava I also suggest easybreezy/easyubuntu for simple java/flash plugin installation (and various other painless desktop enhancements): http://easybreezy.robotgeek.org/ http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org I have the following firefox plugins installed: - Java 1.5.0_06 - Flash 7.0r63 - VLC 0.8.4-test1 Janus I have numerous firefox extensions installed: - DOM Inspector 1.8.0.3 - Mozilla Calendar 0.2.0.20060116 - Live HTTP Headers 0.12 - Editcss 0.35 - del.icio.us 1.1 - Performancing 1.2 - Adblock v5 d3 * nightly 42 - Adblock Filterset.G Updater - FlashGot 0.5.9.995 - SwitchProxy Tool 1.4 - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ --------------020909000201020404010102 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="icblenke.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="icblenke.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 20:55:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B0tBf7032393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:55:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4B0tBSm032392 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:55:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B0tAnk032388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:55:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B0tAdZ012771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:55:10 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f17.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.27]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B0subb004849 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:54:57 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 May 2006 17:54:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 00:54:52 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.178.24.130] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:54:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 00:54:56.0210 (UTC) FILETIME=[854E7B20:01C67495] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You can go to this page http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/firefox download and use the script to download the newest Firefox for Ubuntu Breezy. I used it and it works quite well. It will install the new version for you without a bunch of hassles. It basically just does all the steps listed in the Wiki. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Theses are more FF questions than Linux ones (unless the behaviors are Linux-specific), but here goes: How do I stop the temporary popup images (such as on http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_schedule/index.jhtml)? Gotta have JS for that page's functionality. :-( Looks like I screwed up testing it, though -- I removed some ad-related cookies but not other, and now the script is wedged. Lousy error handling. But I digress. Also, exiting from X doesn't seem to trigger FF's "only keep cookies during this session" semi-automatic cookie removal. Is there a way to remove cookies older than X days that I can run as desired? Also, http://dsc.discovery.com/schedule/schedule.jsp?channel=DSC spawns a popup (when I forget and have JS on, and yes, I have [X] Block Popup Windows, and no no variant of that site is listed in "Allowed Sites", and no, I don't have Flash. What's the deal? Since my computer runs Ubuntu, this is version 1.0. (Is there an upgrade that doesn't involve too much mucking about in the OS innards?) -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar SCORPIO: Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window. Work a little harder on improving your low self esteem, you stupid freak. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 21:49:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B1n7YH000363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:49:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4B1n7iE000362 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:49:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B1n772000358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:49:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B1n6fH014891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:49:06 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B1mo37028589 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:48:50 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B1mmjv017871 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 21:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: You can go to this page http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/firefox download > and use the script to download the newest Firefox for Ubuntu Breezy. Sweet! Thanks! Where does it put the firefox/ dir, wherever you happen to be at the time? Is its location temporary or permanent? I didn't see a compilation step, so what's downloaded must already be compiled. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 23:10:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3Auq3000985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:10:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4B3Aupa000984 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:10:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3Athg000980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:10:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3Atxj018337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:10:55 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f23.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.33]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3AdiA005667 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:10:39 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 May 2006 20:10:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 03:10:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.178.24.130] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 03:10:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 03:10:38.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AB75200:01C674A8] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes, it's a binary. It installs to /opt and is as permanent as any other app. It updates the symlinks so that your menu and icon are automatically redirected to the new version and even copies over your bookmarks and preferences. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:48:49 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 11 May 2006, Mason Mullins wrote: >You can go to this page http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/firefox download >and use the script to download the newest Firefox for Ubuntu Breezy. Sweet! Thanks! Where does it put the firefox/ dir, wherever you happen to be at the time? Is its location temporary or permanent? I didn't see a compilation step, so what's downloaded must already be compiled. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 10 23:25:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3P3EK001147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:25:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4B3P3u5001146 for slug-track29; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:25:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3P2PW001142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:25:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3P2Di018879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:25:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4B3OgvS029040 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:24:42 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4B3OfCD014889 for ; Wed, 10 May 2006 23:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:24:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: Yes, it's a binary. It installs to /opt and is as permanent as any other app. > It updates the symlinks so that your menu and icon are automatically > redirected to the new version and even copies over your bookmarks and > preferences. So do I need to be in /opt (or wherever I want it to live, which is definitely NOT under /home) when I run it, or will it copy things to the right places? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 07:37:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBbLVY005045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:37:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BBbLC6005044 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:37:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBbKeP005040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:37:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBbKwt020208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:37:20 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f15.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.25]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBb6fn022315 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:37:06 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 May 2006 04:37:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:37:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.178.24.130] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:37:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 11:37:06.0227 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AFC8030:01C674EF] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just download the script to you home directory and run it from there, it'll put everything in it's proper place. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:24:42 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 11 May 2006, Mason Mullins wrote: >Yes, it's a binary. It installs to /opt and is as permanent as any other >app. It updates the symlinks so that your menu and icon are automatically >redirected to the new version and even copies over your bookmarks and >preferences. So do I need to be in /opt (or wherever I want it to live, which is definitely NOT under /home) when I run it, or will it copy things to the right places? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 07:38:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBcpRp005063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:38:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BBcpFP005062 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:38:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBcovf005058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:38:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBcodo020261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:38:50 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f4.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.14]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BBcZO0022395 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 07:38:35 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 May 2006 04:38:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.178.24.130] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 11:38:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 11:38:35.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FFD12E0:01C674EF] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.449, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.15, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Oh, you'll have to make the script executable. "sudo chmod +x " then run as root "sudo ./ Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:24:42 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 11 May 2006, Mason Mullins wrote: >Yes, it's a binary. It installs to /opt and is as permanent as any other >app. It updates the symlinks so that your menu and icon are automatically >redirected to the new version and even copies over your bookmarks and >preferences. So do I need to be in /opt (or wherever I want it to live, which is definitely NOT under /home) when I run it, or will it copy things to the right places? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 09:41:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BDfOER006015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BDfO91006014 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BDfOb0006010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BDfNwv026871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:24 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BDfFWY030159 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:15 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=FGpdLiwkIuGCl/wDt36PiHWlZCJdetekgiKYiaPFWWUzoiG2opcFkwYvq5ZlGjRg; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FeBPn-0000hQ-HT for slug@nks.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:15 -0400 From: S0TL To: SLUG Linux Subject: [SLUG] Web Page Storage Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 09:41:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c2609f6f54e67eb8f216bcb532c7f047ac5d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All Small website issue retention issue. Story In our business we visit a lot of random websites from which we grater information. Currently we print the relevant information and place it into a file. A pen and ink system that is fastly exceeding our ability to manage. I would like to move much of this to a computer but have no idea of how. If I take a screen shot of the relevant websites I am limited in size as to what appears on the screen which does not even began to cover the length of some of the documents. If I save the information in HTML I then have a dozen or so folders and sub folders for the various pictures that are included with the central data. In MS Windows I can print a file to a file by one of the printer functions. Not sure if this can be done in Linux but the results in Windows is that you have a print file which if memory serves me correctly is not searchable. If I high-light, copy, and past into OpenOffice or any other word processor what I get may be usable then again it may not be usable which does mitigate the fact that for a large number of web pages, thousands, this is really inconvenient. So my question is how can one save what is open on a website say as a MS Office .doc or OpenOffice OO file which is searchable, has the same information, and does not take 10 minutes or so per page to do? [I am assume of course that the website is something like HTML not something like Adobe Acrobat.] Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 11:58:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BFwQD7007043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:58:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BFwQSo007042 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:58:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BFwPaZ007038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:58:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BFwP31000937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:58:25 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BFwAP8006105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:58:11 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4BG1cBx027587 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:01:38 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4BG1cAC027585; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:01:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.202 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <28248.12.43.115.202.1147363297.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.821, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.71, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > So my question is how can one save what is open on a website say as a MS > Office .doc or OpenOffice OO file which is searchable, has the same > information, and does not take 10 minutes or so per page to do? [I am assume > of course that the website is something like HTML not something like Adobe > Acrobat.] If you're mainly concerned about the text of the document I'd suggest using wget or curl to pull the web page, then process the html to create a text document using links. I.e., wget URL; links -dump file.html > file.txt -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 12:48:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BGmJW9007494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BGmJFn007493 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BGmJqs007489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BGmIkR003726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BGm1dI030163 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:01 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BGlxxb029986 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: Oh, you'll have to make the script executable. "sudo chmod +x " > then run as root "sudo ./ I opened a root window and ran "sh /tmp/". No need to make it executable. Have to be root because it fiddles with stuff in /usr/bin. Worked. Did it clean up after itself, or are the packages hanging around somewhere? Is there anything similar for Thunderbird? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 13:00:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BH0C4V007649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BH0CGk007648 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BH0BOW007644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BH0Aw0004203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:00:10 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BGxoKL024143 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:59:51 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4BGxnPh001754 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage In-Reply-To: <28248.12.43.115.202.1147363297.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <28248.12.43.115.202.1147363297.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > So my question is how can one save what is open on a website say as a MS >> Office .doc or OpenOffice OO file which is searchable, has the same >> information, and does not take 10 minutes or so per page to do? [I am assume >> of course that the website is something like HTML not something like Adobe >> Acrobat.] > > If you're mainly concerned about the text of the document I'd suggest > using wget or curl to pull the web page, then process the html to create a > text document using links. I.e., wget URL; links -dump file.html > > file.txt Sometimes things in columns will get saved where Col 1 line 1 Col 2 line 1 Col 1 line 2 Col 2 line 2 Col 1 line 3 Col 2 line 3 Col 1 line 4 Col 2 line 4 gets saved as Col 1 line 1Col 2 line 1 Col 1 line 2Col 2 line 2 Col 1 line 3Col 2 line 3 Col 1 line 4Col 2 line 4 or worse as Col 1 line 1 Col 2 line 1 Col 1 line 2 Col 2 line 2 Col 1 line 3 Col 2 line 3 Col 1 line 4 Col 2 line 4 when logically it should be Col 1 line 1 Col 1 line 2 Col 1 line 3 Col 1 line 4 Col 2 line 1 Col 2 line 2 Col 2 line 3 Col 2 line 4 Insets are the same way. Frames you have to be careful on -- be sure you have the URL of the frame you want, not the URL of the document containing the frame. In Opera forcing the appearance of the URL on e.g. shy popups is easy -- ^F8 -- but I haven't found a way in FF. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 14:42:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BIg6sV008479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:42:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BIg6RY008478 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:42:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BIg5LO008474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BIg58p010147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:42:05 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f3.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.13]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BIfe6s013683 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:41:40 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 May 2006 11:41:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 18:41:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.19.19.66] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:41:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 May 2006 18:41:39.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[8A5B3FF0:01C6752A] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.846, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.75, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Cool, that works :) Was laying out the "easy" way. Glad it worked for you. Yes, it cleans up after itself. I have read that there is a script for Thunderbird as well, but haven't tried it so can't vouch for it. I found this script and a lot of other good tips on linuxquestions.org which is a great Linux resource. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Firefox Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 12:48:00 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 11 May 2006, Mason Mullins wrote: >Oh, you'll have to make the script executable. "sudo chmod +x " >then run as root "sudo ./ I opened a root window and ran "sh /tmp/". No need to make it executable. Have to be root because it fiddles with stuff in /usr/bin. Worked. Did it clean up after itself, or are the packages hanging around somewhere? Is there anything similar for Thunderbird? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar >A: It's annoying as hell >Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 15:51:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJpCvW009006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BJpCBe009005 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJpBaV009001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJpBJ3013920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:11 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJowgH027282 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:50:58 -0400 Received: from jupiter ([71.251.101.170]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZ4000M79QKHZR0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:49:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:50:05 -0400 From: Tom Suzda Subject: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4BJpBaU009002 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, at least to me. The wife comes home last weekend with a bag full of work. Her boss told her she could work OT over the weekend. They gave her the web site address of the Citrix server, and she told them I would be able to take care of anything else she needed at home. Since I don't have a windows box here, except for a second boot option on a new laptop that I just purchased, I downloaded a Citrix client for linux. No problem with the install, and she was able to work fine. The problem came up when she needed to print locally. We logged a service ticket with her IT group, who responded to her fairly quickly, with the answer, "We don't support linux." I responded back to them, that I didn't want them to support linux, I'd take care of that, just tell me what they were doing about printing. It turns out that her company decided against the Citrix printing environment, and went with triCerat Simplify Printing package called Screwdrivers. Unfortunately, right now, it's only for windows. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get around this issue without loading windows, or doing what she has been doing, which is mailing each of the documents back to herself at home, and then opening them here under linux and printing them? Thanks, Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 15:51:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJpadd009019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BJpaJd009018 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJpZoW009014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJpZnD013933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:35 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BJpJnW027662 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:19 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tW+U9Dsd1UAuIX9TNIJ24obp/e+wEShEZQvz8bJVfsqBLLmt7M7MRqoMbDWsH1NE; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FeHBv-0007WJ-Gk for slug@nks.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:19 -0400 From: S0TL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:51:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <28248.12.43.115.202.1147363297.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <28248.12.43.115.202.1147363297.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605111551.21204.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c26090a43c3a410e1fd9ee2e6faf3d60c5894666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 12:01 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > So my question is how can one save what is open on a website say as a MS > > Office .doc or OpenOffice OO file which is searchable, has the same > > information, and does not take 10 minutes or so per page to do? [I am > > assume of course that the website is something like HTML not something > > like Adobe Acrobat.] > > If you're mainly concerned about the text of the document I'd suggest using > wget or curl to pull the web page, then process the html to create a text > document using links. I.e., wget URL; links -dump file.html > file.txt Is there a printer in Linux like ther is in Windows that will print to file? Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 16:07:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK7VxA009183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:07:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BK7VrV009182 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:07:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK7VgT009178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:07:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK7UAa014871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:07:30 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK7BRK028995 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:07:11 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so105811wra for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c9D4ihj/s1m/IaAbMLofl7RVUBz9moO/egRKqREA/mGTQLHz8HJcKS4k7iIe71azslhaktOxJ99f9asiJR3wzr47fYLcD/j6INIrSYql0fxTVIzDrlDmXpiSMLWdv5ZMMRk+FFr/FYyeIXij5s7LR0KU0Vc4ZnHswJ7iZ+MSiG4= Received: by 10.54.148.2 with SMTP id v2mr201983wrd; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605111307q55240e60j3e44d139006b00d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 15:07:10 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage In-Reply-To: <200605111551.21204.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <28248.12.43.115.202.1147363297.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <200605111551.21204.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.074, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.53, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4BK7VgS009179 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Is there a printer in Linux like ther is in Windows that will print to file? Yes, you go to File->Print, and choose "Print to File" and enter a filename, and it'll print you a postscript doc. You can also install cups-pdf and print to pdf from any app, whether it supports printing to file or not. http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vrbehr/cups-pdf/ -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 16:08:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK8f29009201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BK8faa009200 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK8fgA009196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK8ecG014937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:41 -0400 Received: from randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK8Vqr029094 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:31 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC9BAF10C for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:08:29 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605111608.28054.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 15:50, Tom Suzda wrote: > The problem came up when she needed to print locally. We logged a > service ticket with her IT group, who responded to her fairly quickly, > with the answer, "We don't support linux." I responded back to them, > that I didn't want them to support linux, I'd take care of that, just > tell me what they were doing about printing. It turns out that her > company decided against the Citrix printing environment, and went with > triCerat Simplify Printing package called Screwdrivers. Unfortunately, > right now, it's only for windows. Not knowing anything about screwdriver, but off the cuff you might be able to have her office printer being a windows share as well, which you should be able to access. Actually if she makes her office computer, which must be connected to the "screw" she can create a remote "printer" on her computer which points to the screw printer. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 16:09:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK9KeE009217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BK9Kka009216 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK9J17009212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK9JQQ014963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:19 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK926x001907 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:02 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CD6175600 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 13:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:08:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <28248.12.43.115.202.1147363297.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <200605111551.21204.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200605111551.21204.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605111608.59622.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 15:51, S0TL wrote: > On Thursday 11 May 2006 12:01 pm, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > So my question is how can one save what is open on a website say as a > > > MS Office .doc or OpenOffice OO file which is searchable, has the same > > > information, and does not take 10 minutes or so per page to do? [I am > > > assume of course that the website is something like HTML not something > > > like Adobe Acrobat.] > > > > If you're mainly concerned about the text of the document I'd suggest > > using wget or curl to pull the web page, then process the html to create > > a text document using links. I.e., wget URL; links -dump file.html > > > file.txt > > Is there a printer in Linux like ther is in Windows that will print to > file? > CUPS does that standardly. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 16:09:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK9VeN009229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BK9VVu009228 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK9VbN009224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK9UFt014969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:31 -0400 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BK98TN016212 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB2275CC73 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446399E0.8080407@ctrust.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:09:04 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.268, required 6, AWL -0.53, BAYES_50 0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tom Suzda wrote: > Well, at least to me. > > The wife comes home last weekend with a bag full of work. Her boss told > her she could work OT over the weekend. They gave her the web site > address of the Citrix server, and she told them I would be able to take > care of anything else she needed at home. > > Since I don't have a windows box here, except for a second boot option > on a new laptop that I just purchased, I downloaded a Citrix client for > linux. No problem with the install, and she was able to work fine. > > The problem came up when she needed to print locally. We logged a > service ticket with her IT group, who responded to her fairly quickly, > with the answer, "We don't support linux." I responded back to them, > that I didn't want them to support linux, I'd take care of that, just > tell me what they were doing about printing. It turns out that her > company decided against the Citrix printing environment, and went with > triCerat Simplify Printing package called Screwdrivers. Unfortunately, > right now, it's only for windows. > > Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get around this issue > without loading windows, or doing what she has been doing, which is > mailing each of the documents back to herself at home, and then opening > them here under linux and printing them? > > Thanks, > > Tom > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > The first question is what version of Citrix? I use Presentation Server 3.0 here, and printing works just fine to Linux. it uses the Citrix GPD (Generic Print Driver). I'm also using the Citrix client for Linux and it works very well... Also, the drive mapping works if you set it up properly. -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 16:34:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKYOOi009449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:34:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BKYOP7009448 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:34:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKYOcb009444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:34:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKYOAB016457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:34:24 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKYCNO007415 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:34:12 -0400 Received: from jupiter ([71.251.101.170]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZ4002GBBSZR0Y3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:34:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:34:44 -0400 From: Tom Suzda Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem In-reply-to: <200605111608.28054.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605111634.44011.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605111608.28054.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4BKYOca009445 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 4:08 pm, you wrote: > On Thursday 11 May 2006 15:50, Tom Suzda wrote: > > The problem came up when she needed to print locally. We logged a > > service ticket with her IT group, who responded to her fairly > > quickly, with the answer, "We don't support linux." I responded > > back to them, that I didn't want them to support linux, I'd take > > care of that, just tell me what they were doing about printing. It > > turns out that her company decided against the Citrix printing > > environment, and went with triCerat Simplify Printing package > > called Screwdrivers. Unfortunately, right now, it's only for > > windows. > > Not knowing anything about screwdriver, but off the cuff you might be > able to have her office printer being a windows share as well, which > you should be able to access. > > Actually if she makes her office computer, which must be connected to > the "screw" she can create a remote "printer" on her computer which > points to the screw printer. I'm not sure I'm following you. I know she can share her printer at her 'real' office, but she wants to print locally, on our LaserJet 4/4M PS, here at home, when she is working from home. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 16:41:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKfWHG009512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:41:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BKfWWj009511 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:41:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKfVPu009507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:41:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKfV7H016882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:41:31 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BKfDhK004366 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:41:13 -0400 Received: from jupiter ([71.251.101.170]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZ4000BQC4PHYZ0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 15:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:41:45 -0400 From: Tom Suzda Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem In-reply-to: <446399E0.8080407@ctrust.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605111641.45823.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <446399E0.8080407@ctrust.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.801, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4BKfVPt009508 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 4:09 pm, you wrote: > Tom Suzda wrote: > > Well, at least to me. > > > > The wife comes home last weekend with a bag full of work. Her boss > > told her she could work OT over the weekend. They gave her the web > > site address of the Citrix server, and she told them I would be > > able to take care of anything else she needed at home. > > > > Since I don't have a windows box here, except for a second boot > > option on a new laptop that I just purchased, I downloaded a Citrix > > client for linux. No problem with the install, and she was able to > > work fine. > > > > The problem came up when she needed to print locally. We logged a > > service ticket with her IT group, who responded to her fairly > > quickly, with the answer, "We don't support linux." I responded > > back to them, that I didn't want them to support linux, I'd take > > care of that, just tell me what they were doing about printing. It > > turns out that her company decided against the Citrix printing > > environment, and went with triCerat Simplify Printing package > > called Screwdrivers. Unfortunately, right now, it's only for > > windows. > > > > Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get around this issue > > without loading windows, or doing what she has been doing, which is > > mailing each of the documents back to herself at home, and then > > opening them here under linux and printing them? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily > > reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its > > employees. > > The first question is what version of Citrix? I use Presentation > Server 3.0 here, and printing works just fine to Linux. it uses the > Citrix GPD (Generic Print Driver). I'm also using the Citrix client > for Linux and it works very well... Also, the drive mapping works if > you set it up properly. Not really sure what version they're using. The screen says to login to the Citrix Metaframe XP server, enter your......... I've googled, read a number of white papers from Citrix, and I know that you can print from linux, just enter the printer driver name in the ini file. Unfortunately, I tried the HP LaserJet 4/4M, just plain 4, and almost every other variation I can think of. I also read about the Universal Print Driver, but what's it called so I can enter it in the ini file? My LaserJet is an old 4 that I juiced up with 24 Megs ram and postscript, so it prints postscript natively under linux. Like I mentioned, the linux client works fine, it's just a printing issue based on the server end. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 17:04:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BL4PJO009718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:04:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BL4PTL009717 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:04:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BL4JBO009713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:04:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BL4ElK018105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:04:19 -0400 Received: from charlotte.ctrust.com (gatorvet.com [207.59.126.37]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BL2iDf012103 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:03:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by charlotte.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C7B75CC73 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4463A662.1060804@ctrust.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:02:26 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <446399E0.8080407@ctrust.com> <200605111641.45823.tsuzda@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200605111641.45823.tsuzda@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.8, required 6, BAYES_60 1.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tom Suzda wrote: > On Thursday 11 May 2006 4:09 pm, you wrote: > >> Tom Suzda wrote: >> >>> Well, at least to me. >>> >>> The wife comes home last weekend with a bag full of work. Her boss >>> told her she could work OT over the weekend. They gave her the web >>> site address of the Citrix server, and she told them I would be >>> able to take care of anything else she needed at home. >>> >>> Since I don't have a windows box here, except for a second boot >>> option on a new laptop that I just purchased, I downloaded a Citrix >>> client for linux. No problem with the install, and she was able to >>> work fine. >>> >>> The problem came up when she needed to print locally. We logged a >>> service ticket with her IT group, who responded to her fairly >>> quickly, with the answer, "We don't support linux." I responded >>> back to them, that I didn't want them to support linux, I'd take >>> care of that, just tell me what they were doing about printing. It >>> turns out that her company decided against the Citrix printing >>> environment, and went with triCerat Simplify Printing package >>> called Screwdrivers. Unfortunately, right now, it's only for >>> windows. >>> >>> Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get around this issue >>> without loading windows, or doing what she has been doing, which is >>> mailing each of the documents back to herself at home, and then >>> opening them here under linux and printing them? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by >>> Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in >>> messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily >>> reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its >>> employees. >>> >> The first question is what version of Citrix? I use Presentation >> Server 3.0 here, and printing works just fine to Linux. it uses the >> Citrix GPD (Generic Print Driver). I'm also using the Citrix client >> for Linux and it works very well... Also, the drive mapping works if >> you set it up properly. >> > > Not really sure what version they're using. The screen says to login to > the Citrix Metaframe XP server, enter your......... > > I've googled, read a number of white papers from Citrix, and I know that > you can print from linux, just enter the printer driver name in the ini > file. Unfortunately, I tried the HP LaserJet 4/4M, just plain 4, and > almost every other variation I can think of. I also read about the > Universal Print Driver, but what's it called so I can enter it in the > ini file? My LaserJet is an old 4 that I juiced up with 24 Megs ram and > postscript, so it prints postscript natively under linux. > > Like I mentioned, the linux client works fine, it's just a printing > issue based on the server end. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > I misspoke. The driver is the Universal Print Driver, and something they need to have on the other end. I'm not sure how advanced it was in MetaFrame XP, but if its there, the printer should map properly. If it does not print under the print menu they may not have it configured properly. I would say ask their admin if they have the Universal Print Driver installed. -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 17:23:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLNYZQ009907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BLNY5Z009906 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLNY0E009902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLNXXM019090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:34 -0400 Received: from smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLNQw9007944 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:26 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cr1on4Up7PmoTjI8DHsRmOY1JP76wbsMAaUHZNAktRK3FuPb5tvym4Cf+YNoB2oH; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FeId3-0008J9-PQ for slug@nks.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:25 -0400 From: S0TL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:23:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <200605111551.21204.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <1a3a3e310605111307q55240e60j3e44d139006b00d8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605111307q55240e60j3e44d139006b00d8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605111723.28049.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c26095173b0fdd3e1a044fbcc75e3818e15d4387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 04:07 pm, Levi Bard wrote: > > Is there a printer in Linux like ther is in Windows that will print to > > file? > > Yes, you go to File->Print, and choose "Print to File" and enter a > filename, and it'll print you a postscript doc. > > You can also install cups-pdf and print to pdf from any app, whether > it supports printing to file or not. > http://www.physik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vrbehr/cups-pdf/ Thanks Dumb on my part. I had seen that a number of times and since I never used it simply forgotten its existance. Now if I print the page to file as a postscript file then is there some was to convert the postscript to test without OCR it. Thanks Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 17:28:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLSIWZ009943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BLSIgF009942 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLSIu2009938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLSIPO019274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:28:18 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLRx2X002891 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:27:59 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i34so228598wra for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=r9NblUnfuXGbRY0g7IbHXi39t9BYkoeIRPY/W7eZLeEs9iX5/Er+qE4MlFddmVzmAg/HY8u32UhU+M5zL07EGfOjxec2hGHfhAfa7mg9wjEPHLBSflyaA/QlBzbTyt1Hb4G0W/Rx9bn2nujjlI4fi08nmL6n/01yirriT3C8wmw= Received: by 10.54.93.4 with SMTP id q4mr1404883wrb; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.101.15 with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2006 14:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605111427m75bee3e3l6846703490e7a868@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:27:58 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage In-Reply-To: <200605111723.28049.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <200605111551.21204.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> <1a3a3e310605111307q55240e60j3e44d139006b00d8@mail.gmail.com> <200605111723.28049.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.472, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.13, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4BLSIu1009939 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Now if I print the page to file as a postscript file then is there some was to > convert the postscript to test without OCR it. Google is fun: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/pstotext.htm -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 17:39:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLdR59010011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:39:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BLdR9J010010 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:39:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLdQtP010006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:39:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLdQZc019816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:39:26 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BLdGZo015543 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:39:16 -0400 Received: from jupiter ([71.251.101.170]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZ4009TBETFGXB5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:39:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:39:48 -0400 From: Tom Suzda Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem In-reply-to: <4463A662.1060804@ctrust.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605111739.48173.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605111641.45823.tsuzda@verizon.net> <4463A662.1060804@ctrust.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.801, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4BLdQtO010007 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 5:02 pm, you wrote: > Tom Suzda wrote: > > On Thursday 11 May 2006 4:09 pm, you wrote: > >> Tom Suzda wrote: > >>> Well, at least to me. > >>> > >>> The wife comes home last weekend with a bag full of work. Her > >>> boss told her she could work OT over the weekend. They gave her > >>> the web site address of the Citrix server, and she told them I > >>> would be able to take care of anything else she needed at home. > >>> > >>> Since I don't have a windows box here, except for a second boot > >>> option on a new laptop that I just purchased, I downloaded a > >>> Citrix client for linux. No problem with the install, and she was > >>> able to work fine. > >>> > >>> The problem came up when she needed to print locally. We logged a > >>> service ticket with her IT group, who responded to her fairly > >>> quickly, with the answer, "We don't support linux." I responded > >>> back to them, that I didn't want them to support linux, I'd take > >>> care of that, just tell me what they were doing about printing. > >>> It turns out that her company decided against the Citrix printing > >>> environment, and went with triCerat Simplify Printing package > >>> called Screwdrivers. Unfortunately, right now, it's only for > >>> windows. > >>> > >>> Does anybody have any suggestions on how to get around this issue > >>> without loading windows, or doing what she has been doing, which > >>> is mailing each of the documents back to herself at home, and > >>> then opening them here under linux and printing them? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> Tom > >>> > >>> > >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>-- ---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service > >>> by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > >>> expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not > >>> necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any > >>> of its employees. > >> > >> The first question is what version of Citrix? I use Presentation > >> Server 3.0 here, and printing works just fine to Linux. it uses > >> the Citrix GPD (Generic Print Driver). I'm also using the Citrix > >> client for Linux and it works very well... Also, the drive mapping > >> works if you set it up properly. > > > > Not really sure what version they're using. The screen says to > > login to the Citrix Metaframe XP server, enter your......... > > > > I've googled, read a number of white papers from Citrix, and I know > > that you can print from linux, just enter the printer driver name > > in the ini file. Unfortunately, I tried the HP LaserJet 4/4M, just > > plain 4, and almost every other variation I can think of. I also > > read about the Universal Print Driver, but what's it called so I > > can enter it in the ini file? My LaserJet is an old 4 that I juiced > > up with 24 Megs ram and postscript, so it prints postscript > > natively under linux. > > > > Like I mentioned, the linux client works fine, it's just a printing > > issue based on the server end. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >---- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by > > Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in > > messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily > > reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its > > employees. > > I misspoke. The driver is the Universal Print Driver, and something > they need to have on the other end. I'm not sure how advanced it was > in MetaFrame XP, but if its there, the printer should map properly. > If it does not print under the print menu they may not have it > configured properly. I would say ask their admin if they have the > Universal Print Driver installed. That's pretty much what I asked them. Whether they had printer autocreation turned on, and what printer drivers they were using. The answer I got back was they were using Simplify Printing from triCerat for the printing functions. The other option that one of their guys mentioned was VMware or some other Windows emulation. I am working on WINE, and I can get the ICA client for Win32 installed with no problem as well as the Simplify Printing client. I can log into the Citrix server, but as soon as I try to launch and application, I get an encryption error. "You must have 128-bit SSL support installed....." I'm still trying to work that part out, and if I can, it should solve the issue. I can log into my bank with the same browser, so I know I have 128-bit support. Well, it gives me something to do in my spare time... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 19:07:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BN7egQ010729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BN7eRm010728 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BN7dTf010724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BN7dmf024656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:39 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BN7MEd016132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:23 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 11 May 2006 17:07:13 -0600 Message-Id: <4463837A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 16:33:30 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: "SLUG Linux" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Web Page Storage References: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.999, required 6, AWL -1.60, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 9:41 AM, in message <200605110941.16499.s0tl155360@earthlink.net>, S0TL wrote: > Hi All > > Small website issue retention issue. > > Story > In our business we visit a lot of random websites from which we grater > information. Currently we print the relevant information and place it into a > > file. A pen and ink system that is fastly exceeding our ability to manage. > > I would like to move much of this to a computer but have no idea of how. > > If I take a screen shot of the relevant websites I am limited in size as to > what appears on the screen which does not even began to cover the length of > some of the documents. > > If I save the information in HTML I then have a dozen or so folders and sub > folders for the various pictures that are included with the central data. > > In MS Windows I can print a file to a file by one of the printer functions. > > Not sure if this can be done in Linux but the results in Windows is that you > > have a print file which if memory serves me correctly is not searchable. > > If I high- light, copy, and past into OpenOffice or any other word processor > what I get may be usable then again it may not be usable which does mitigate > > the fact that for a large number of web pages, thousands, this is really > inconvenient. > > So my question is how can one save what is open on a website say as a MS > Office .doc or OpenOffice OO file which is searchable, has the same > information, and does not take 10 minutes or so per page to do? [I am assume > > of course that the website is something like HTML not something like Adobe > Acrobat.] > > Thanks > Frank > You can always use SUSE Linux 10.1, max out the cache size in FF and then use beagle to index it all...a quick search will search the index and away you go...searchable files stored locally. You can also use Beagle to put the page in it's search index and leave it where it resides on the 'net and still search it. There are many ways of skinning the proverbial cat. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 11 19:52:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BNqZ26011060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4BNqZW7011059 for slug-track29; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BNqYSM011055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BNqYQq026694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:34 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4BNqQpD014528 for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:26 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC58310F58B for ; Thu, 11 May 2006 16:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:52:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605111608.28054.steve@szmidt.org> <200605111634.44011.tsuzda@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200605111634.44011.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605111952.19421.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.243, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.24, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 16:34, Tom Suzda wrote: > > Actually if she makes her office computer, which must be connected to > > the "screw" she can create a remote "printer" on her computer which > > points to the screw printer. > > I'm not sure I'm following you. I know she can share her printer at her > 'real' office, but she wants to print locally, on our LaserJet 4/4M PS, > here at home, when she is working from home. Yes, but if she can create a shareable printer on her office computer you can select that new printer and redirect it to your home... You had Citrix running yes? With Citrix I think you can tell it to print locally. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 00:27:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4C4Rm78013295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4C4RmDU013294 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4C4RmZE013290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4C4RlZR010835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:47 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4C4RYAM006352 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4C4RWE7029847 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SUSE 10.1 Release Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.735, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone been able to download the 10.1 full release CD's? I have tried several times thru the day and have never gotten much past 107mb without the dl stalling. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 07:42:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBg6vk016898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:42:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CBg6bu016897 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:42:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBg6eb016893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:42:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBg5OY009324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:42:05 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f23.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.33]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBfpRm013176 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:41:52 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 12 May 2006 04:41:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 11:41:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [12.147.57.194] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] SUSE 10.1 Release Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:41:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2006 11:41:51.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F3503D0:01C675B9] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just a guess but I'd say the servers are probably swamped with downloads as it's just been released. I'd give it a few days for the initial rush to die down and try then. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Richard Smoot Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SUSE 10.1 Release Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 00:27:39 -0400 Has anyone been able to download the 10.1 full release CD's? I have tried several times thru the day and have never gotten much past 107mb without the dl stalling. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 07:59:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBxHEN017004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:59:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CBxHS6017003 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:59:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBxH67016999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:59:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBxGGH010081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:59:16 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CBx2t9014132 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:59:02 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I9RvnUsE8CRTwGvJPwCwDfpr3YB/fLmp8EHn0fu3X7oFTC8mpaIPOkR080vI0tZX; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FeWIQ-0006H8-AI for slug@nks.net; Fri, 12 May 2006 07:59:02 -0400 From: S0TL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE 10.1 Release Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:59:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605120759.04949.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c26094d925f6c59e18952993ec8ea080a377a3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.452, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 12 May 2006 12:27 am, Richard Smoot wrote: > Has anyone been able to download the 10.1 full release CD's? > > I have tried several times thru the day and have never gotten much > past 107mb without the dl stalling. > > Richard Smoot There is a notice on their website, I forget the exact wording, which translates into they have been SlashDoted. Experience has shown that best time for download will be after 5:00 PST [8:00PM or 20:00 EST] on a Friday Night. Next best time is Saturday night starting around the same time and continuing through Sunday morning until about 10:00 EST. Next best time is Sunday night. The following Monday usually starting around 7:00 AM until 8:00 PM and continuing through Wednesday or Thursday is usually goes from impossible to bad with weekday nights speeds acceptable on the sending end but cloggage on the local scene unless you are located in a commercial area. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 08:12:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CCCqo7017149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:12:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CCCqer017148 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:12:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CCCp45017144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:12:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CCCnVX011380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:12:50 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CCCJvI027903 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:12:19 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oMKNY1JMjyiP9nrHX1qGeh9AY3/G+IzdQa7uaiVBuKbI+3PctX+JgGjkCzQLLeRm; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.98.213.185] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FeWVH-0007rB-8A for slug@nks.net; Fri, 12 May 2006 08:12:19 -0400 From: S0TL To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE 10.1 Release Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 08:12:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605120812.22210.s0tl155360@earthlink.net> X-ELNK-Trace: a85bb8b315d7b67a7154633101454da3239a348a220c26094d925f6c59e189522aa30ef41bce315da7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.98.213.185 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 12 May 2006 12:27 am, Richard Smote wrote: > Has anyone been able to download the 10.1 full release CD's? > > I have tried several times thru the day and have never gotten much > past 107mb without the dl stalling. > > Richard Smoot Sorry forgot one other item about downloading OpenSuSE. My observations are that if download speed on our T1 line fall below dial-up speed that when I burn the CDs I have trash. If I connect to the OpenSuSE download site there are several mirrors I appear to be shifted to. One of these which appears to be in Germany always gives me low speeds and especially low speeds in prime download times. If I continue that down load it normally takes 6 to 10 hours to complete and is trash when it finishes. Best thing to do if you get on that site is to cancel and try again. Eventually you will be switched to the high speed access and it only takes 2 hours per disk. I have been able to download 2 disk at the same time with only a 20 to 30 % increase in total time for the download over what I get when I only do 1 disk at a time. Doing more than 2 disk at time does work fine but only after a few days of having the posting up for downloading. I suspect that this few days will be longer this time with next Saturday night looking good for my own personal downloads. Before then I think it will be more effort than it is worth considering that I mostlikely will have to repeat the downloads if I do them before next Saturday night at least once and I may have to repeat the download more than once. OpenSuSE is not very congenital with the SlashDot effect. Frank ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 16:19:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKJoK9024023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:19:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CKJoLb024022 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:19:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKJnuX024018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:19:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKJnUo007930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:19:49 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKJXhM004004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:19:34 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 May 2006 14:19:32 -0600 Message-Id: <44649C44.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:31:33 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SUSE 10.1 Release References: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.586, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.53, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 12:27 AM, in message <200605120027.40258.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com>, rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Has anyone been able to download the 10.1 full release CD's? > > I have tried several times thru the day and have never gotten much > past 107mb without the dl stalling. > > Richard Smoot That server is getting slammed...might want to find a mirror. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 16:53:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKrEHu024399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:53:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CKrEs9024398 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:53:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKrELF024394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:53:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKrAtq009628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:53:14 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CKqqlY006383 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:52:52 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CKqoXo024425 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:52:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] process CPU use Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:44:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CLiWrj025335 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:44:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLiV7u025331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:44:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLiVCA012443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:44:31 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLiDf3009510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:44:13 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.69] (pool-71-251-87-40.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.251.87.40]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLiDom000879 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:44:13 -0400 Message-ID: <446501AC.6050001@blenke.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:44:12 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use References: In-Reply-To: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050605020504000708050208" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050605020504000708050208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eben King wrote: > Is there a way to launch a process (or modify an existing one) to > force it to use no more than X% of the CPU? With continual 100% use > my CPU gets rather warm. Sure, I can "nice" it, but that only makes > it more readily yield the CPU to other processes; if nothing else > demands the CPU it'll still use 100%. Is the only solution in > hardware, something like a Peltier device and a big honkin' heat sink? The most "appropriate" way is to put your machine into a power saving mode. You can use cpufreq to control the power saving of your CPU with something like powernowd to control it via the /sysfs interface While you _could_ change the CPU scheduler to ensure a process only get some % of the CPU's time, it will still likely be running full power the entire time (though with CPU halts between the scheduling bursts). Honesty, fiddling with schedulers for CPU guarantees is something you only do with something like vserver as a service provider to ensure no customer can abuse their fair share of the hardware. Look into ACPI for power saving modes and/or cpufreq for putting your CPU into a lower speed power saving mode when you're not using it. You don't need to have a laptop to use power saving features of modern hardware. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ --------------050605020504000708050208 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ian.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ian.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian C. Blenke n:Blenke;Ian email;internet:ian.blenke.com tel;home:813.784.6020 version:2.1 end:vcard --------------050605020504000708050208-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 17:47:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLllQt025366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:47:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CLll3s025365 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:47:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLllHX025361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:47:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLlkF0012623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:47:47 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CLlTqv020123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:47:31 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4CLonK9002011 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:50:49 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4CLon2C002010; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:50:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by www.digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 17:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.035, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Is there a way to launch a process (or modify an existing one) to force it > to use no more than X% of the CPU? With continual 100% use my CPU gets > rather warm. Sure, I can "nice" it, but that only makes it more readily > yield the CPU to other processes; if nothing else demands the CPU it'll > still use 100%. Is the only solution in hardware, something like a Peltier > device and a big honkin' heat sink? You can try using the cpuspeed command to throttle the hardware. I use it to switch my laptop to a 600MhZ mode to conserve battery when just browsing the web. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 18:04:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CM4EoU025654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:04:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CM4Ej6025653 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:04:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CM4DJj025649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:04:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CM4DRi013733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:04:13 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CM3wP9002289 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:03:59 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so144140uge for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:03:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=afubeafaZobWvrS/Tga5p48dCqNlkpaiHIaQ+OI7ZkWXTHmvsUAazNx7DC5FIaPmc9SvGVYNYUwgmNwfd/K24/fOuf7LltK5GKbTMWud7dytJqECO087Dx/YCO00nNN3uEig+HB1O7tGCD88B4p94660ZPHBRa0Oqg4kOCWbWnY= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr55416hum; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:03:57 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.925, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4CM4EJi025650 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net depending on the board and CPU you could underclock it, its a bit involved but if you email me the specs i might be able to walk you through it. On 5/12/06, Kwan Lowe wrote: > > > Is there a way to launch a process (or modify an existing one) to force it > > to use no more than X% of the CPU? With continual 100% use my CPU gets > > rather warm. Sure, I can "nice" it, but that only makes it more readily > > yield the CPU to other processes; if nothing else demands the CPU it'll > > still use 100%. Is the only solution in hardware, something like a Peltier > > device and a big honkin' heat sink? > > You can try using the cpuspeed command to throttle the hardware. I use it to switch > my laptop to a 600MhZ mode to conserve battery when just browsing the web. > > > -- > * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com > * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 18:56:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMuLbj026563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:56:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CMuLnT026562 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:56:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMuKWh026558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:56:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMuKZB016559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:56:20 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMu15T005660 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:56:01 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d4so378074nfe for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:56:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ijoI292TIuLU/jLFIFgNzKxJavxMneZ2kFmId3ZUwtPx62rC0TWrcs9Mq+qRyqwI27QCKi6TgLW38Ul4QO3eJq3E0yUQREL6VxqK9IfVr9cu8pQl7dbGAZ7QJ1BOdF0ckvUkI4Z1r2IWoT2SweXbXqaxMwBfaxdNQ3wg+Xx9otc= Received: by 10.48.225.3 with SMTP id x3mr179268nfg; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.42.5 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 15:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605121555u72fc878bu6a2f5216b1a85011@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:55:57 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.396, required 6, AWL 1.60, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4CMuKWg026559 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Running SuSE 10.0 tried both the cpuspeed and cpufreq commands but get nothing, any idea of what is used under SuSE? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 18:58:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMwqZc026650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CMwpQM026649 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMwpS2026645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMwpoU016695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:51 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CMwTo2025323 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:30 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CMwRiK023621 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > On 5/12/06, Kwan Lowe wrote: >> >> > Is there a way to launch a process (or modify an existing one) to force >> > it to use no more than X% of the CPU? With continual 100% use my CPU >> > gets rather warm. Sure, I can "nice" it, but that only makes it more >> > readily yield the CPU to other processes; if nothing else demands the >> > CPU it'll still use 100%. Is the only solution in hardware, something >> > like a Peltier device and a big honkin' heat sink? >> >> You can try using the cpuspeed command to throttle the hardware. I use it >> to switch my laptop to a 600MhZ mode to conserve battery when just >> browsing the web. > depending on the board and CPU you could underclock it, its a bit > involved but if you email me the specs i might be able to walk you > through it. Oh, I don't want to slow _all_ processes down, just some long-running, CPU-bound conversions. Anyhow, I know the multiplier is locked on most Athlons. Couldn't I just change the bus speed in the BIOS from 133 MHz to say 100 MHz? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 19:03:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN3fX5026758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:03:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CN3fpJ026757 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:03:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN3f7O026753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:03:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN3ewG017185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:03:40 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN3UmG006553 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:03:31 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so150731uge for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:03:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KPhSc2BFDsl5ANfiSu/QwflINVpi0/tjmM4Aols+2XLHZ/oYT4xHxNbW/fTOiHi0ZWrbT5CN56evdNXJfuQ1adaMnY6kBp8Y+ACTC0KaWcjRkZ1OOZtT2ezkaExNL9LvmdCWVgq9fh3rVdQqkMXTQhJKEQ6/0Jfx7C5fd0TT6+g= Received: by 10.78.51.16 with SMTP id y16mr66891huy; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:03:30 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4CN3f7N026754 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net that would work if your bios allows it. im lucky enough that the multiplier on my CPU is 28x, i was able to bump the bus up to 149 and get an extra 1.372ghz out of it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 19:08:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN8WQn026794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:08:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CN8W9X026793 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:08:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN8WQK026789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:08:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN8VRA017502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:08:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CN8FQ7026480 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:08:16 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CN8ECe002199 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:08:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: <620c90570605121555u72fc878bu6a2f5216b1a85011@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> <620c90570605121555u72fc878bu6a2f5216b1a85011@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: Running SuSE 10.0 tried both the cpuspeed and cpufreq commands but > get nothing, any idea of what is used under SuSE? Maybe your CPU doesn't do >1 frequencies, as I suspect is the case with mine: eben@pc:~$ /usr/bin/cpufreq-info cpufrequtils 0.3: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004 Report errors and bugs to linux@brodo.de, please. analyzing CPU 0: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hi! I'm a .sig virus! Copy me to your .sig! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 19:14:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNEWiT026899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:14:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CNEWxb026898 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:14:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNEVZk026894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:14:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNEVC6017901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:14:31 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNECmu007331 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:14:13 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d4so379691nfe for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:14:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mnp2cU5Vc0NdjOb970gzdVWcfxBw4y3J62JBMN4xcdglYwjaG4sW3H+LU1eiD82apVS3wTycsgQ9osMpS1ZFDG6IwuFCuqw3SxoWDfXisbe6LnAtN/i5SPHtbyGWzZcf4mLG5/wYTiX+YPL/ayCP3XPqAF4FPTrvqdRSYkqC8e8= Received: by 10.49.40.6 with SMTP id s6mr1517135nfj; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.42.5 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 16:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605121614u3191a398q6358f8d2e0ea8fce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:14:12 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> <620c90570605121555u72fc878bu6a2f5216b1a85011@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.93, required 6, AWL 1.07, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4CNEVZj026895 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/12/06, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Running SuSE 10.0 tried both the cpuspeed and cpufreq commands but > > get nothing, any idea of what is used under SuSE? > > Maybe your CPU doesn't do >1 frequencies, as I suspect is the case with > mine: > > eben@pc:~$ /usr/bin/cpufreq-info > cpufrequtils 0.3: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004 > Report errors and bugs to linux@brodo.de, please. > analyzing CPU 0: > no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU Well, it is a laptop, and I see the OS change speed when I run it on battery. I know that there is some sort of GUI control but have not really looked for it, figure a cli would be a lot faster.. Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 19:17:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNHw15027103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:17:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CNHwiC027102 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:17:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNHvBk027098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:17:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNHvRi018187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:17:57 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNHcrr016807 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:17:38 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CNHbkb001832 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:17:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> X-GetARealMailreader: that would work if your bios allows it. > > im lucky enough that the multiplier on my CPU is 28x, i was able to > bump the bus up to 149 and get an extra 1.372ghz out of it. I've always shied away from OCing by raising the bus speed for fear that it might bring about early failure of the CPU, or RAM, or chipsed, or SOMETHING. Maybe not a big worry... -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 19:38:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNciGg027457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4CNciVg027456 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNciPV027452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNchcJ019064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4CNcXvp028523 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:34 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4CNcX1n014157 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use In-Reply-To: <620c90570605121614u3191a398q6358f8d2e0ea8fce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1997.192.168.8.8.1147470649.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> <620c90570605121555u72fc878bu6a2f5216b1a85011@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605121614u3191a398q6358f8d2e0ea8fce@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On 5/12/06, Eben King wrote: >> On Fri, 12 May 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >> > Running SuSE 10.0 tried both the cpuspeed and cpufreq commands but >> > get nothing, any idea of what is used under SuSE? >> >> Maybe your CPU doesn't do >1 frequencies, as I suspect is the case with >> mine: >> >> eben@pc:~$ /usr/bin/cpufreq-info >> cpufrequtils 0.3: cpufreq-info (C) Dominik Brodowski 2004 >> Report errors and bugs to linux@brodo.de, please. >> analyzing CPU 0: >> no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU > > Well, it is a laptop, and I see the OS change speed when I run it on > battery. I know that there is some sort of GUI control but have not really > looked for it, figure a cli would be a lot faster.. Maybe you need to compile support for it into your kernel? And are you sure the OS actually changes speeds, and doesn't just insert wait states (which I've heard doesn't do that much for power consumption)? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 12 21:16:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D1GUb8029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:16:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4D1GUIT029412 for slug-track29; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:16:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D1GTk7029408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:16:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D1GTou024567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:16:29 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D1GBpT017927 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 21:16:15 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A4FEE71C for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 18:16:10 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] process CPU use Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 21:16:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605122116.04623.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 12 May 2006 19:17, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2006, chris lee wrote: > > that would work if your bios allows it. > > > > im lucky enough that the multiplier on my CPU is 28x, i was able to > > bump the bus up to 149 and get an extra 1.372ghz out of it. > > I've always shied away from OCing by raising the bus speed for fear that it > might bring about early failure of the CPU, or RAM, or chipsed, or > SOMETHING. Maybe not a big worry... Make sure that your RAM & CPU is built for the speed, CPU cooled properly and since the M/B has the o/c it can handle it. There are charts online which can tell you what kind of clocking you can do w a CPU. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 00:27:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4RDl2000899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4D4RDQU000898 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4RCeO000894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4RCI4005226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:12 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4R2Id011249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:03 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FeliY-0007ky-EO for slug@nks.net; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:02 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0371B56D9E for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:26:59 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.446, required 6, AWL -0.90, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anyone know how to pull off just the closing credit theme from a movie on DVD. I own the DVD, and I just want to turn the closing credits theme into an mp3 or ogg or something. I don't know anything about how DVDs are structured, or what's in the files. The following are the contents of the disk: dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 2004-10-15 19:21 jacket_p dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 2004-12-08 20:18 video_ts ./jacket_p: total 112 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 88064 2004-10-15 19:21 j00___5l.mp2 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 18432 2004-10-15 19:21 j00___5m.mp2 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 8192 2004-10-15 19:21 j00___5s.mp2 ./video_ts: total 4108096 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 10240 2004-12-08 20:18 video_ts.bup -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 10240 2004-12-08 20:18 video_ts.ifo -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 75776 2004-12-08 20:09 vts_01_0.bup -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 75776 2004-12-08 20:09 vts_01_0.ifo -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 3328000 2004-12-08 20:09 vts_01_0.vob -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1073739776 2004-12-08 20:10 vts_01_1.vob -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1073739776 2004-12-08 20:11 vts_01_2.vob -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1073739776 2004-12-08 20:13 vts_01_3.vob -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 981970944 2004-12-08 20:14 vts_01_4.vob -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 00:36:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4abU0001000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:36:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4D4abea000999 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:36:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4abQT000995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:36:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4ab9V006152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:36:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D4aHTd012349 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:36:18 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4D4aGaM020800 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 00:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:36:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> X-GetARealMailreader: Anyone know how to pull off just the closing credit theme from a movie on > DVD. I own the DVD, and I just want to turn the closing credits theme into an > mp3 or ogg or something. Play the relevant section with e.g. mplayer -dumpaudio? The resulting file might need conversion; ffmpeg and lame should be able to handle that. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. -Sir William Drummond ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 01:01:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D519sf001443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:01:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4D519tM001442 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:01:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D519nW001438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:01:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D516xu008516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:01:07 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D50uS2005671 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:00:56 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so173637uge for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:00:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kzbcPnSCWtRAbea7zrFFvYdQ55cnkNIVi6NdCYGGNw9DZnrBQfi15IGvAwneUTgPBZA/5f7YvZZay3i5i+YLwSKLyG76Re9fGqTtd25hRAvFUFcHr0q4kTUwkTon5KSSaXwiicJ1Wjs3MnV28ZxaueuLzXgKDs9HcziO5WghaeI= Received: by 10.78.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr674308huu; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:00:54 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4D519nV001439 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net might be easier to find the soundtrack, what movie was it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 01:05:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D55SWH001628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4D55S9U001627 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D55SKM001623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D55R6E009042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:28 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D55Blx007192 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:12 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE84175616 for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:05:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605130105.05300.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.002, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.00, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 13 May 2006 00:26, Paul M Foster wrote: > Anyone know how to pull off just the closing credit theme from a movie > on DVD. I own the DVD, and I just want to turn the closing credits theme > into an mp3 or ogg or something. I don't know anything about how DVDs > are structured, or what's in the files. The following are the contents > of the disk: What I do is play the DVD and connect the audio output from the DVD to the line in on my soundcard. I got a number of those done that way. There are several tools to record with though krec works fine. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 01:25:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5PwIj002233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4D5PwYs002232 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5Pwwc002228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5PvOb010887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:58 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5PkDg012955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:47 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FemdN-0002X6-Tj for slug@nks.net; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:46 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E27556D9E for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:25:43 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.23, required 6, AWL -1.60, BAYES_05 -1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > might be easier to find the soundtrack, what movie was it? > There are only 3 or 4 songs in the film, plus the theme. No sound track. Movie in question is "Quick Change", with Bill Murray. Great R&B/Jazz theme by Randy Edelman. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 01:40:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5eCYW002352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:40:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4D5eC7O002351 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:40:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5eBYW002347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:40:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5eBSE011584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:40:11 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4D5e46v018735 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 01:40:04 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so175812uge for ; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KJub1uPFHAdKGpb7s+MZGfkn4js3+zxCcdwQifuX6NsGsiAbnYc3K1bPxb2kJcLGCsQ+tKF1T2caYZtC75I9wvwrOsiMmpn83IlW5tKvDqsSxxKsYlx+VOwGZnB6MWTueAkbGH3mdwLX3TtPTyXFm4WUX20GQA+DWPIeuCb6KA4= Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr102387hun; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Fri, 12 May 2006 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:40:03 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.244, required 6, AWL -1.23, BAYES_40 -0.18, SARE_MLB_Stock6 1.66) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4D5eCYV002348 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i got some of his stuff but not that one. suggest you dump the audio via a stereo patch cord from the headphone jack to the mic jack and run it into audacity. you can then split the audio out from there. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/linux ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 07:17:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DBHwAm008918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 07:17:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4DBHwmU008917 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 07:17:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DBHvC1008913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 07:17:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DBHvC8005574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 07:17:57 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DBHiZx017756 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 07:17:44 -0400 Received: from jupiter ([71.251.101.170]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZ7000ALBDJDE34@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 13 May 2006 06:17:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:18:16 -0400 From: Tom Suzda Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem In-reply-to: <200605111952.19421.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605130718.16750.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605111634.44011.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605111952.19421.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4DBHwC0008914 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 11 May 2006 7:52 pm, you wrote: > On Thursday 11 May 2006 16:34, Tom Suzda wrote: > > > Actually if she makes her office computer, which must be > > > connected to the "screw" she can create a remote "printer" on her > > > computer which points to the screw printer. > > > > I'm not sure I'm following you. I know she can share her printer at > > her 'real' office, but she wants to print locally, on our LaserJet > > 4/4M PS, here at home, when she is working from home. > > Yes, but if she can create a shareable printer on her office computer > you can select that new printer and redirect it to your home... You > had Citrix running yes? > > With Citrix I think you can tell it to print locally. After playing with it a little, and talking with her at her office, she already shares her printer, but I don't see it at home on Citrix. She actually doesn't see her desktop, only the published apps that are available to her. The rest of Citrix is running perfectly from home. She can run any of the published apps with no problem. Just when she tells it to print, she has 2 options in the printer selection drop downs, Print_To_Fax, or Print_To_PDF. No other printers are listed. At her office at work, she sees about 10 different printers she has access to. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 11:08:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DF8cFF013077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:08:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4DF8ca8013076 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:08:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DF8cCa013072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:08:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DF8bMJ019952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:08:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DF8Scl032318 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:08:28 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4DF8RSK023993 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 11:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 11:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] OpenOffice chart series Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 13 May 2006 16:25:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4DKPVDq019190 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 16:25:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DKPUCD019186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 16:25:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DKPUrb006104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 16:25:30 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DKPLdZ028015 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 16:25:21 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A531755FF for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 13:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 16:25:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605111952.19421.steve@szmidt.org> <200605130718.16750.tsuzda@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200605130718.16750.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605131625.18278.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.342, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.52, BAYES_50 0.00, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.17) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 13 May 2006 07:18, Tom Suzda wrote: > > With Citrix I think you can tell it to print locally. > > After playing with it a little, and talking with her at her office, she > already shares her printer, but I don't see it at home on Citrix. > Are you using the Citrix web interface? Yep I now see the problem: Printing usually requires that the printer drivers on users' computers are known to all the Citrix Servers. I did however found these which might apply: http://www.resortdata.com/customers/Knowledge/KB-DOS/K000179.htm http://portal.srz.com/Printing.htm http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:OdFFrEs8YMwJ:www.tricerat.com/pdf/screwdriversVSthinprint.pdf+remote+printing+with+citrix+screwdriver+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&lr=lang_en http://www.tricerat.com/support/docs/sdv3help/v3contents.html -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 13 18:26:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DMQini021413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:26:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4DMQiB4021412 for slug-track29; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:26:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DMQhah021408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:26:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DMQhqL012854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:26:43 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4DMQSpY031545 for ; Sat, 13 May 2006 18:26:28 -0400 Received: from jupiter ([71.251.101.170]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZ800DJ26C4PWP3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 13 May 2006 17:26:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:27:01 -0400 From: Tom Suzda Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting Citrix problem In-reply-to: <200605131625.18278.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605131827.01101.tsuzda@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <200605111550.05018.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605130718.16750.tsuzda@verizon.net> <200605131625.18278.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.4.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.216, required 6, AWL 0.58, BAYES_50 0.00, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.17, URI_END_IS_SHORT 0.46) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4DMQiag021409 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 13 May 2006 4:25 pm, you wrote: > On Saturday 13 May 2006 07:18, Tom Suzda wrote: > > > With Citrix I think you can tell it to print locally. > > > > After playing with it a little, and talking with her at her office, > > she already shares her printer, but I don't see it at home on > > Citrix. > > Are you using the Citrix web interface? > > Yep I now see the problem: > > Printing usually requires that the printer drivers on users' > computers are known to all the Citrix Servers. > > I did however found these which might apply: > > http://www.resortdata.com/customers/Knowledge/KB-DOS/K000179.htm > http://portal.srz.com/Printing.htm > http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:OdFFrEs8YMwJ:www.tricerat.com/pdf/ >screwdriversVSthinprint.pdf+remote+printing+with+citrix+screwdriver+&h >l=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&lr=lang_en > http://www.tricerat.com/support/docs/sdv3help/v3contents.html Yep, using the web interface. Thanks for the info. the last two links, I have already reviewed. Of course, to throw a monkey wrench into this, my HP Laserjet is networked on the network at home. I know printing works under windows, because I installed the Simply Printing client on my laptop to see if there was anything I was missing or could use, and it finds the printer in it's installation. My main goal now is pursuing running it all under WINE. I'm still having a problem launching the apps with a 128-bit SSL not detected. I'll work on that tomorrow. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 12:35:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EGZxNn009249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EGZx6r009248 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EGZwGQ009244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EGZwMq024793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:58 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EGZeOv018663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:40 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfJZD-0001Z4-Om for slug@nks.net; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:39 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518B756C19 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 12:35:37 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.424, required 6, AWL -1.52, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > i got some of his stuff but not that one. > > suggest you dump the audio via a stereo patch cord from the headphone > jack to the mic jack and run it into audacity. > > you can then split the audio out from there. > > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/linux Well I didn't do quite that-- I unplugged the speakers and used that jack instead of the headphone jack. But audacity appeared to work okay. Only one problem. With one of the things I recorded, we resultant wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. The original piece was very snappy, but the wav is maybe paced 80% slower. Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 13:30:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHU5WM010228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:30:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EHU5XB010227 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:30:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHU5Zh010223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:30:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHU1xF027585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:30:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHTp69026756 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:29:52 -0400 Received: from athlon2400 (242818hfc166.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.28.18.166]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4EHTo1u027965 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c6777c$0204b1f0$0300a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:29:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.155, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Well I didn't do quite that-- I unplugged the speakers and used that jack > instead of the headphone jack. But audacity appeared to work okay. Only > one problem. With one of the things I recorded, we resultant wav file > plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. The original > piece was very snappy, but the wav is maybe paced 80% slower. Is this a > known problem? Is there a solution? > > Paul > I can use my cool edit 2000 to speed up the wav file if you want to send it to me. JamesS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 13:35:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHZoJp010273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:35:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EHZoq9010272 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:35:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHZoIq010268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:35:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHZoZ3027885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:35:50 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EHZgHn009058 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 13:35:43 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so351441uge for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 10:35:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oEpaoMYlFWQumAWmm038eP3wSXAvGs+AvGBIpXt3MTSgez6ggkk2QgDjCxs9PrSHd4qQBBtEzSsQ+f9W2TK8G7C4axOzBFJyaOnCOGkn8FAd3uCTg2rvzM4C/8U3OLbf0Aqtm7Z+O1k9kTatGVqxkQLalt3q8o5XVa35INTK8lg= Received: by 10.78.43.1 with SMTP id q1mr393054huq; Sun, 14 May 2006 10:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2006 10:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:35:41 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.669, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.93, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4EHZoIp010269 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net what are you playing it with? also, try to record it in a different format, mp3 or ogg vorbis. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 14:03:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI391m010620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:03:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EI392c010619 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:03:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI39WZ010615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:03:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI39Uh029294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:03:09 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI2sDR018305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:02:54 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfKvd-0004ao-GP for slug@nks.net; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:02:53 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E88156C19 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446770CA.1060108@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:02:50 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.791, required 6, AWL -0.55, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > what are you playing it with? > > > also, try to record it in a different format, mp3 or ogg vorbis. > XMMS. Also, another question. Do wav files have metadata? If so, what tool is appropriate for editing the metadata? I'd like to note the name of the composition or at least the artist inside the file. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 14:05:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI5ts3010643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EI5ts3010642 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI5tQp010638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI5tJE029411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:55 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EI5eUb019376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:41 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FfKyK-0004hO-KD for slug@nks.net; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:40 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C5456C19 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44677172.5030304@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:05:38 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.074, required 6, AWL -1.13, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > chris lee wrote: >> i got some of his stuff but not that one. >> >> suggest you dump the audio via a stereo patch cord from the headphone >> jack to the mic jack and run it into audacity. >> >> you can then split the audio out from there. >> >> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/linux > > Well I didn't do quite that-- I unplugged the speakers and used that > jack instead of the headphone jack. But audacity appeared to work okay. > Only one problem. With one of the things I recorded, we resultant wav > file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. The > original piece was very snappy, but the wav is maybe paced 80% slower. > Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? > Actually, I misspoke here. Both recordings appear slower, but it's only important on one of them. For that one, it's not 80% slower. Its tempo is about 80% of the original. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 14:39:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIdaru011303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EIdacA011302 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIdaqJ011298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIdX9P031106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:36 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIdGkp022805 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:17 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EIdGLg018646 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:39:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <446770CA.1060108@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <44656DD7.6040301@quillandmouse.com> <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> <446770CA.1060108@quillandmouse.com> X-GetARealMailreader: chris lee wrote: >> what are you playing it with? >> >> also, try to record it in a different format, mp3 or ogg vorbis. > > XMMS. > > Also, another question. Do wav files have metadata? If so, what tool is > appropriate for editing the metadata? I'd like to note the name of the > composition or at least the artist inside the file. Not that much, I don't think. There's 40 bytes of header, and I know 4 of them are "RIFF". Also the rate, length, and number of channels are in there. Sox can adjust the speed for you. If you adjust the rate appropriately (and simultaneously), it ought to happen losslessly (like changing the "display size" or "image resolution" in a graphics program), but I don't think it does. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 14:46:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIk4Kx011491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:46:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EIk4GZ011490 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:46:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIk3rM011486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:46:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIk2Bc031555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:46:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EIjerv030138 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:45:45 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EIjdD9004822 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:50:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Thread-index: AcZ3dKcZq4vKyf4LSP61yQorcFi7MAAEnW/Q In-reply-to: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.073, required 6, AWL -0.92, BAYES_05 -1.11, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. >> Is this a known problem? It's not a known-to-me problem. I've _never_ seen Audacity do this. You might want to see why it's doing this, and re-record the music. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:36 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie chris lee wrote: > i got some of his stuff but not that one. > > suggest you dump the audio via a stereo patch cord from the headphone > jack to the mic jack and run it into audacity. > > you can then split the audio out from there. > > http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/linux Well I didn't do quite that-- I unplugged the speakers and used that jack instead of the headphone jack. But audacity appeared to work okay. Only one problem. With one of the things I recorded, we resultant wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. The original piece was very snappy, but the wav is maybe paced 80% slower. Is this a known problem? Is there a solution? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 14:55:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EItYi1011549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EItYci011548 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EItY6d011544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EItXVo031973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:33 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EItP4v028622 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:26 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so361933uge for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=j60eKyd4fr7LW/o7E3wocq0np60aFJBHD1hFSUE6d5Y5fmM9FwLv5xl0mpYeexv4CyndfplMSld3riDT/AWwOuYspFWIHYZ9CUnllbz1054Bwqy0HGydv4qBa/mU8s5HMKoM7NLKVeNAqJ6oY62cAAg0SCyE0ZP4WldrZe1UjnM= Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr416107hue; Sun, 14 May 2006 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2006 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:55:24 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.575, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.76, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4EItY6c011545 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net might be the playback hardware or something in the OS. how large is the wav? over 30meg? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 15:03:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ3cx7011671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:03:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EJ3cHQ011670 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:03:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ3bFK011666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:03:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ3b0l032521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:03:37 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ3OS1000764 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:03:24 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657B1B6DD9 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:03:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605141503.18365.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.276, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.28, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 14 May 2006 14:50, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. > >> Is this a known problem? > > It's not a known-to-me problem. I've _never_ seen Audacity do this. You > might want to see why it's doing this, and re-record the music. Yeah, I was going to say this sounds like too much of unusual solutions. I run the music into Line-In and record it fine with Krec. I also record fine with audacity. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 15:06:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ6Znx011698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:06:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EJ6Zgk011697 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:06:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ6Zh1011693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:06:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ6Ymr032664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:06:35 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJ6Kek025386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:06:21 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4EJ9eoj000529 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:09:40 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4EJ9eZe000528; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:09:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3803.192.168.8.8.1147633780.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> References: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.45, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.71, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. >>> Is this a known problem? > > It's not a known-to-me problem. I've _never_ seen Audacity do this. You > might want to see why it's doing this, and re-record the music. I've seen this happen often.. It occurs when the recording is done at a faster Hz than the playback. WAV is apparently a fixed speed, so the recording speed in Audacity needs to match. I *think* it's 44KhZ. BTW, just caught up on the original thread. The program VideoLan client can rip a portion of a stream to a file. Use the Wizard under the file menu, select the source, transcode audio then specify the start and stop times, choose a format and output file, then run. It will create an MP3 audio file. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 15:55:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJtbAe012593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:55:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EJtbO8012592 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:55:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJtb49012588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:55:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJtbZF003390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:55:37 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EJtNK1028385 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 15:55:24 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so369593uge for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R926eYg9S+JZdvipdEtrkUYkGJPvinwbQLJIy5XffJNYSFU+e6YBlBCku5QwVvKQC0E0aCtakS6G8XTzoly62243S8NTrNOvHP06R5DZDbqIvVlOaDo+MttNJ7Q2BctMOIsXLMu9a3DT5FGN+KGAiXTf7vMsaDApDKEyOMI8g9Y= Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr427357hun; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2006 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:55:23 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <3803.192.168.8.8.1147633780.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <3803.192.168.8.8.1147633780.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.996, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.60, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4EJtb48012589 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 44.1Khz ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 16:33:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EKXTWF013354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:33:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EKXSvh013353 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:33:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EKXSeU013349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:33:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EKXSTp005288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:33:28 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EKX7ia031551 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:33:08 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EKX6l7020622 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 16:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:33:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <3803.192.168.8.8.1147633780.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: References: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <3803.192.168.8.8.1147633780.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-GetARealMailreader: >>>> wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. >>>> Is this a known problem? >> >> It's not a known-to-me problem. I've _never_ seen Audacity do this. You >> might want to see why it's doing this, and re-record the music. > > I've seen this happen often.. It occurs when the recording is done at a > faster Hz than the playback. WAV is apparently a fixed speed, I don't think so. I've recorded 22.05 kHz and 44.1 kHz WAVs, and converted between them. The file sizes attest that it's not merely a faked sample rate. WAVs may have a limited set of valid rates, though. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hi! I'm a .sig virus! Copy me to your .sig! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 17:09:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EL9Jun013738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:09:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EL9JlD013737 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:09:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EL9J5V013733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:09:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EL9JBL007066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:09:19 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EL8x0f021060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:09:00 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4ELCKcN001030 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:12:20 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4ELCJQm001029; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:12:19 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 May 2006 17:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3935.192.168.8.8.1147641139.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <3803.192.168.8.8.1147633780.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 17:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.028, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>>>> wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. >>>>> Is this a known problem? >>> >>> It's not a known-to-me problem. I've _never_ seen Audacity do this. You >>> might want to see why it's doing this, and re-record the music. >> >> I've seen this happen often.. It occurs when the recording is done at a >> faster Hz than the playback. WAV is apparently a fixed speed, > > I don't think so. I've recorded 22.05 kHz and 44.1 kHz WAVs, and converted > between them. The file sizes attest that it's not merely a faked sample > rate. WAVs may have a limited set of valid rates, though. > Yes -- I think we're talking about the same thing. A 22.06 KhZ wav file is exactly half of a 44.1KhZ wav. How I understand it is that the WAV format is just a series of measurements taken at x number of intervals per second. It's fixed to what it was recorded at because each data point is directly equivalent to a sample point unlike some other formats that encode time and other information in the data/stream. So to change the sample rate of a WAV you'd need to change the header and downsample or upsample the data. I.e., if you convert a 22 KhZ to a 44 KhZ you double the number of samples programmatically or vice versa. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 14 18:32:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EMWKL9015387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:32:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4EMWK0e015386 for slug-track29; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:32:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EMWKZe015382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:32:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EMWJm6011343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:32:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4EMW774013797 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:32:07 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4EMW6p4026418 for ; Sun, 14 May 2006 18:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:32:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <3935.192.168.8.8.1147641139.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: References: <44675C59.9090309@quillandmouse.com> <200605141845.k4EIjdD9004822@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <3803.192.168.8.8.1147633780.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <3935.192.168.8.8.1147641139.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-GetARealMailreader: >>>>> wav file plays at a significantly slower pace than what was recorded. >>>>>> Is this a known problem? >>>> >>>> It's not a known-to-me problem. I've _never_ seen Audacity do this. You >>>> might want to see why it's doing this, and re-record the music. >>> >>> I've seen this happen often.. It occurs when the recording is done at a >>> faster Hz than the playback. WAV is apparently a fixed speed, >> >> I don't think so. I've recorded 22.05 kHz and 44.1 kHz WAVs, and converted >> between them. The file sizes attest that it's not merely a faked sample >> rate. WAVs may have a limited set of valid rates, though. >> > Yes -- I think we're talking about the same thing. A 22.06 KhZ wav file is > exactly half of a 44.1KhZ wav. How I understand it is that the WAV format > is just a series of measurements taken at x number of intervals per > second. It's fixed to what it was recorded at because each data point is > directly equivalent to a sample point unlike some other formats that > encode time and other information in the data/stream. > > So to change the sample rate of a WAV you'd need to change the header and > downsample or upsample the data. I.e., if you convert a 22 KhZ to a 44 KhZ > you double the number of samples programmatically or vice versa. Or you can change it from 22 to 44 by doubling the speed, like playing a 33 rpm record at 45, which is what I did and what he wants (well, not double, but same idea). That just changes the "play at this many samples per second" number in the header. I don't know if that can be any random number. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb watermelon in your colon. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 15 22:32:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4G2Ws1Z011715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4G2WsYs011714 for slug-track29; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4G2WrhW011710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4G2Wrix014516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:53 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4G2WdsI026013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:40 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FfpMV-0001d6-CQ for slug@nks.net; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:39 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FfpME-00075o-NI for slug@nks.net; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:37 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 61D93EA8; Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:32:48 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] All that's old is new again Message-ID: <20060516023247.GA16508@frey> Mail-Followup-To: Slug List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Fri May 12 22:32:03 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 22:32:03 up 1 day, 25 min, 6 users, load average: 0.11, 0.39, 0.33 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "titania.hardison.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: So, after using gmail for quite a while, with some (infrequent, but public) complaints, I have returned to using my own mail server, which is now able to bypass spam filters via the magic of an SPF record and an IP address not listed as "dynamic". [...] Content analysis details: (-1.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scan-Signature: 6d2bf3d400e930529a3bd984753f16e4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.415, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So, after using gmail for quite a while, with some (infrequent, but public) complaints, I have returned to using my own mail server, which is now able to bypass spam filters via the magic of an SPF record and an IP address not listed as "dynamic". I am also using Mutt, just as God and Nature and Michael Elkins intended. (Although, I had been using mutt with gmail, there was no further benefit to using gmail). Sense I no longer have the leave the bowels of my terminal emulator, it should be a lot easier keeping up and contributing to this list. -- Master Sozan was asked by a student: "What is the most valuable thing in the world?" The master replied: "The head of a dead cat." "Why is the head of a dead cat the most valuable thing in the world?" inquired the student. Sozan replied: "Because no one can name its price." - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 11:32:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GFWXKV024686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:32:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GFWXKR024685 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:32:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GFWWqo024681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:32:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GFWWAq003911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:32:32 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GFWF3F009458 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:32:15 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so306766nzi for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:32:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EQ/AHtaZwfsUzHJvQM0l00CNnBHj5vGTAGyEAihYfOHzAcnkDIGaGB+I4TG2nG9JxssG+0PnkGLvUh1UU5nC42aeRzSQ+CM2Em6pFUCwVS4KgJxaJgBe8XPozF9YMPXuEdBiD/O+Ss4AMAimDeMq6BfTLlLb2eTO6e9QtYBi6u8= Received: by 10.37.18.17 with SMTP id v17mr3026429nzi; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.119.18 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860605160832t53c4618cv8522bfc183a67144@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:32:15 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] All that's old is new again In-Reply-To: <20060516023247.GA16508@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_505_26601772.1147793535196" References: <20060516023247.GA16508@frey> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.744, required 6, AWL 0.33, BAYES_40 -0.18, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_505_26601772.1147793535196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Maybe it just a matter of personal preference. I think that Gmail has made it easier for me to contribute to the list. On 5/15/06, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > > So, after using gmail for quite a while, > with some (infrequent, but public) complaints, I have returned to using > my own mail server, which is now able to bypass spam filters via the > magic of an SPF record and an IP address not listed as "dynamic". > > I am also using Mutt, just as God and Nature and Michael Elkins intended. > (Although, I had been using mutt with gmail, there was no further > benefit to using gmail). > > Sense I no longer have the leave the bowels of my terminal emulator, > it should be a lot easier keeping up and contributing to this list. > > -- > Master Sozan was asked by a student: "What is the most valuable thing in > the world?" > The master replied: "The head of a dead cat." > "Why is the head of a dead cat the most valuable thing in the world?" > inquired the student. > Sozan replied: "Because no one can name its price." > - > GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_505_26601772.1147793535196 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Maybe it just a matter of personal preference.  I think that Gmail has= made it easier for me to contribute to the list. 

On 5/15/06, = Dylan William Hardison <dylan@= hardison.net> wrote:
So, after using gmail for quite = a while,
with some (infrequent, but public) complaints, I have returned = to using
my own mail server, which is now able to bypass spam filters via themagic of an SPF record and an IP address not listed as "dynamic"= .

I am also using Mutt, just as God and Nature and Michael Elkins in= tended.
(Although, I had been using mutt with gmail, there was no further
be= nefit to using gmail).

Sense I no longer have the leave the bowels o= f my terminal emulator,
it should be a lot easier keeping up and contrib= uting to this list.

--
Master Sozan was asked by a student: "What is the most v= aluable thing in the world?"
The master replied: "The head of = a dead cat."
"Why is the head of a dead cat the most valuable = thing in the world?" inquired the student.
Sozan replied: "Because no one can name its price."
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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 13:42:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GHgNqT027018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GHgN2c027017 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GHgNXN027013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GHgJpc011727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:23 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GHg5YW019955 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:05 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GHg4O6017899 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] screen savers Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: = 2.3.6-6); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.5-1ubuntu12. xscreensaver depends on libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2); however: Version of libcairo2 on system is 1.0.2-0ubuntu1. xscreensaver depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0); however: Version of libglib2.0-0 on system is 2.8.3-0ubuntu1. xscreensaver depends on libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1); however: Version of libpango1.0-0 on system is 1.10.1-0ubuntu1. xscreensaver depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.24); however: Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.21-0ubuntu1. dpkg: error processing xscreensaver (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: xscreensaver Most of those "errors" aren't errors at all, but are name mismatches. Some are version errors, indeed. But anyhow, I get the same "not installed" shtick. (Yes, I went back to the Ubuntu version afterward.) What's the deal with that? What do I need to install? Back to the source, I saw something like a spiral, drawn from one end, and distorting from the other (several turns behind). I only saw it briefly. Anybody know what it was, and if it's available separately? -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make ... a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator[.] -- GHWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 14:02:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GI2QEG027305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:02:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GI2Q2C027304 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:02:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GI2QQ9027300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:02:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GI2QLG013071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:02:26 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f1.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.90]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GI2CtE021325 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:02:12 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 May 2006 11:02:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 18:02:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] screen savers Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:02:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2006 18:02:12.0209 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB4A4E10:01C67912] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, AWL -0.23, BAYES_50 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, TW_BX 0.08, TW_GL 0.08, TW_IB 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: SLUG Mailing List >Subject: [SLUG] screen savers >Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:12 -0400 (EDT) > >I uninstalled xlock and installed xscreensaver (GL ones too), hoping to >find some modules I saw on a guy's laptop, which had Gentoo (I think) with >KDE. Didn't find it, but now I have a question. > >As I was scrolling through the list of available modules and verifying >their operation, I ran across some that were greyed out, and showed "Not >Installed" where the demo would be. If you went ahead and clicked on the >"Preview" button, you got a black screen. > >I uninstalled xscreensaver*, and got the straight (precompiled) Debian >version. It complained a bit on installation: > >Selecting previously deselected package xscreensaver. >(Reading database ... 61574 files and directories currently installed.) >Unpacking xscreensaver (from .../xscreensaver_4.24-4_i386.deb) ... >dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xscreensaver: > xscreensaver depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6); however: > Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.5-1ubuntu12. > xscreensaver depends on libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2); however: > Version of libcairo2 on system is 1.0.2-0ubuntu1. > xscreensaver depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0); however: > Version of libglib2.0-0 on system is 2.8.3-0ubuntu1. > xscreensaver depends on libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1); however: > Version of libpango1.0-0 on system is 1.10.1-0ubuntu1. > xscreensaver depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.24); however: > Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.21-0ubuntu1. >dpkg: error processing xscreensaver (--install): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured >Errors were encountered while processing: > xscreensaver > >Most of those "errors" aren't errors at all, but are name mismatches. Some >are version errors, indeed. > >But anyhow, I get the same "not installed" shtick. (Yes, I went back to >the Ubuntu version afterward.) What's the deal with that? What do I need >to install? > >Back to the source, I saw something like a spiral, drawn from one end, and >distorting from the other (several turns behind). I only saw it briefly. >Anybody know what it was, and if it's available separately? I am not certain which screensaver you are seeking but there are several packages in the Ubuntu repositories containing screesavers: xscreensaver-data xscreensaver-data-extra (universe repository) xscreensaver-gl xscreensaver-gl-extra (universe repository) rss-glx The last three rely on 3D support so skip them if you are not using adequate hardware and/or drivers. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 14:40:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GIeJAa028003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:40:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GIeJjP028002 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:40:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GIeJPV027998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:40:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GIeIjf015387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:40:18 -0400 Received: from ij.net (mail.ij.net [207.22.166.253]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GIe1qh024334 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:40:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unverified [209.216.68.135]) by ij.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 198151716 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:43:19 -0400 Message-ID: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:39:57 -0400 From: Paddy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux User Group Subject: [SLUG] Free (almost) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=329229864 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.092, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.09) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am moving back to my home in Alaska. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 15:13:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJDGxi028372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GJDGZ5028371 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJDFck028365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJDFmM017440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:15 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJD7AT027851 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:08 -0400 Received: from billspc ([24.73.66.178]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZD000UKHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 14:13:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:13:13 -0400 From: "Bill Glidden" Subject: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power To: Message-id: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C678FB.40BEAC40" Thread-index: AcZ5HMdilsIkITviR9qYnupGqa2VDA== X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.002, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C678FB.40BEAC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. Despite my repeated admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine without doing a proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for them. Is there any way to "harden" Linux against this sort of behavior? Something that will prevent loss of data? Anything? Thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C678FB.40BEAC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. = Despite my repeated admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine = without doing a proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for = them. Is there any way to “harden” Linux against this sort of = behavior? Something that will prevent loss of data? Anything? = Thanks.

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 15:28:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJSvsU028941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:28:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GJSuIY028940 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:28:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJSufI028936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:28:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJStHn018641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:28:56 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJSlqn019789 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:28:48 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:28:42 -0600 Message-Id: <4469EFA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:28:33 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power References: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.463, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.46, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 3:13 PM, in message <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net>, bill@thegliddenfamily.com wrote: > I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. Despite my repeated > admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine without doing a > proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for them. Is there > any way to "harden" Linux against this sort of behavior? Something that will > prevent loss of data? Anything? Thanks. If the box is new enough to support ACPI, then you can verify/configure your distribution to shut down "normally" when the power button is pressed among other things. When I was doing consulting work, this was a huge problem in a number of customers (prior to ACPI). What I routinely did is disable the power button in some cases and I would show them that they can press the monitor's power button to turn off their computer. Worked like a charm. No more corruption, no more problems...all were happy campers and they were shocked at how fast their computer started up in the mornings! 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 15:51:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJpI3S029184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:51:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GJpIfW029183 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:51:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJpHBa029179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:51:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJpHF9019947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:51:17 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GJouHh027331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:50:57 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4GJt2UW007640 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:55:02 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4GJt1hT007639; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:55:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.201 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 15:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4627.12.43.115.201.1147809301.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. Despite my repeated > admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine without doing a > proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for them. Is there > any way to "harden" Linux against this sort of behavior? Something that will > prevent loss of data? Anything? Thanks. Besides JPs suggestion of ACPI (the best solution), you might also want to mount a lot of stuff read-only and put /tmp and logs on a ramdisk. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 16:16:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKGRea029632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GKGRYx029631 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKGQOp029627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKGQ19021695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:26 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKGBIA011032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:15 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg5xd-0003If-7K for slug@nks.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:16:05 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB13B56C19 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446A32FE.60303@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:15:58 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] screen savers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.219, required 6, AWL -0.28, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46, TW_BX 0.08, TW_IB 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > I uninstalled xlock and installed xscreensaver (GL ones too), hoping to > find some modules I saw on a guy's laptop, which had Gentoo (I think) > with KDE. Didn't find it, but now I have a question. > > As I was scrolling through the list of available modules and verifying > their operation, I ran across some that were greyed out, and showed "Not > Installed" where the demo would be. If you went ahead and clicked on > the "Preview" button, you got a black screen. Some screensavers won't work if you don't have the proper software support (like OpenGL). They may install, but not be allowed to run, but you get a "not installed" message. That's my guess. > > I uninstalled xscreensaver*, and got the straight (precompiled) Debian > version. It complained a bit on installation: > > Selecting previously deselected package xscreensaver. > (Reading database ... 61574 files and directories currently installed.) > Unpacking xscreensaver (from .../xscreensaver_4.24-4_i386.deb) ... > dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of xscreensaver: > xscreensaver depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6); however: > Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.5-1ubuntu12. > xscreensaver depends on libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2); however: > Version of libcairo2 on system is 1.0.2-0ubuntu1. > xscreensaver depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0); however: > Version of libglib2.0-0 on system is 2.8.3-0ubuntu1. > xscreensaver depends on libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1); however: > Version of libpango1.0-0 on system is 1.10.1-0ubuntu1. > xscreensaver depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.24); however: > Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.21-0ubuntu1. > dpkg: error processing xscreensaver (--install): > dependency problems - leaving unconfigured > Errors were encountered while processing: > xscreensaver > > Most of those "errors" aren't errors at all, but are name mismatches. > Some are version errors, indeed. *Most* are version errors. Most of the Ubuntu versions of the libraries look to be older than those needed by the xscreensaver package you're trying to install. In fact, I'm surprised that the xscreensaver version you're attempting to install would even install. > > But anyhow, I get the same "not installed" shtick. (Yes, I went back to > the Ubuntu version afterward.) What's the deal with that? What do I > need to install? > Just what it asks for-- the libraries on which it depends. Though that seems moot at this point, since you reinstalled the ubuntu version. > Back to the source, I saw something like a spiral, drawn from one end, > and distorting from the other (several turns behind). I only saw it > briefly. Anybody know what it was, and if it's available separately? > I just looked at what I have installed. Nothing matches your description. (Of course, that doesn't really mean much; I could be looking at what you want, and might not recognize it from your description.) From what I've seen over the years, xscreensaver comes with a fixed set of screensavers, depending on the version. More get added over time. In addition to the regular xscreensaver package, there is an xscreensaver-gl package with additional (GL only) screen hacks. As a side note, there's a really kewl fish tank screensaver I see in stores on Windows machines that I'd love to have under Linux. But I've never seen anything like it for Linux, and I suspect it's not actually part of Windows, but a separate product. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 16:25:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKPbY4029927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GKPb1Z029926 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKPbE7029922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKPas1022248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:36 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKPKkK011756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:21 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fg66a-00042m-E0 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:20 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD2F56C19 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446A352E.7030600@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:25:18 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power References: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.156, required 6, AWL -0.19, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4GKPbE6029923 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Glidden wrote: > I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. Despite my repeated > admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine without doing a > proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for them. Is > there any way to “harden” Linux against this sort of behavior? Something > that will prevent loss of data? Anything? Thanks. > Aside from whacking the customer up side the head (my personal favorite), and the other suggestions, you can ensure that they're using a journaling filesystem like ext3. No guarantees, but it can't hurt. Did these guys ever consider that Windows doesn't like to be treated this way either? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 16:28:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKSRqs029952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:28:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GKSRi7029951 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:28:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKSRNA029947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:28:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKSQqP022347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:28:27 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GKSEEg011942 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 16:28:15 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so52938nfc for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:28:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zkl2h+VHKEG9QghYZEtdmNTEeWMQ6JLUYHPcu4V0BLE4/PEdw+7ksTha+JDLk91WWZ1h3zhshG+p9j9lVb8mmBIcjqlBc14HmZEfdy681+97hiPLsYdl7TNAM+zPU80FpPmufXEtcZ3PCnZj6evbywTJTuAp3P8YmcfsspVhKDU= Received: by 10.48.237.18 with SMTP id k18mr151483nfh; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.246.11 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:28:13 -0400 From: "Steven Buehler" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power In-Reply-To: <446A352E.7030600@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <446A352E.7030600@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.782, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.59, BAYES_00 -2.60, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4GKSRN9029948 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pray to God they don't try doing that to OS X. On 5/16/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > Bill Glidden wrote: > > I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. Despite my repeated > > admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine without doing a > > proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for them. Is > > there any way to "harden" Linux against this sort of behavior? Something > > that will prevent loss of data? Anything? Thanks. > > > > Aside from whacking the customer up side the head (my personal > favorite), and the other suggestions, you can ensure that they're using > a journaling filesystem like ext3. No guarantees, but it can't hurt. > > Did these guys ever consider that Windows doesn't like to be treated > this way either? > > Paul > > -- > Paul M. Foster > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 17:15:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLFhvJ030540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GLFhe0030539 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLFgEj030535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLFgiQ025011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:42 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLFVtt006147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:31 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLFV93019211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <446A40F3.3010400@blenke.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:15:31 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power References: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> <446A352E.7030600@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.962, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_47 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Most journalling filesystems only journal the metadata changes (filesystem information about the file), not the actual file data as it is written. In the old days, you could try mounting ext2 with sync mount. I suggest disabling drive caching and giving ext3 data journalling a try. Disabling drive caching _may_ be as simple as "hdparm -W 0 /dev/hda" You can see the current state of WriteCache with "hdparm -i -v /dev/hda" It depends on your manufacturer/model, among other things. I have little experience with this. To "fix" ext3 to do data journalling, add "data=journal" to your ext3 mount options in /etc/fstab The default ext3 mode of operation is "data=writeback". The following is from /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/ext3.txt: data=journal All data are committed into the journal prior to being written into the main file system. data=ordered (*) All data are forced directly out to the main file system prior to its metadata being committed to the journal. data=writeback Data ordering is not preserved, data may be written into the main file system after its metadata has been committed to the journal. * writeback mode In data=writeback mode, ext3 does not journal data at all. This mode provides a similar level of journaling as XFS, JFS, and ReiserFS in its default mode - metadata journaling. A crash+recovery can cause incorrect data to appear in files which were written shortly before the crash. This mode will typically provide the best ext3 performance. * ordered mode In data=ordered mode, ext3 only officially journals metadata, but it logically groups metadata and data blocks into a single unit called a transaction. When it's time to write the new metadata out to disk, the associated data blocks are written first. In general, this mode perform slightly slower than writeback but significantly faster than journal mode. * journal mode data=journal mode provides full data and metadata journaling. All new data is written to the journal first, and then to its final location. In the event of a crash, the journal can be replayed, bringing both data and metadata into a consistent state. This mode is the slowest except when data needs to be read from and written to disk at the same time where it outperform all others mode. Hope this helps. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 17:45:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLjpW6031139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:45:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4GLjpDG031138 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:45:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLjoUK031134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:45:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLjoLx026646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:45:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4GLjYLd028885 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:45:34 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4GLjXQV018647 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:45:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] screen savers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: > From: Eben King >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: SLUG Mailing List >> Subject: [SLUG] screen savers >> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:42:12 -0400 (EDT) >> >> As I was scrolling through the list of available modules and verifying >> their operation, I ran across some that were greyed out, and showed "Not >> Installed" where the demo would be. If you went ahead and clicked on the >> "Preview" button, you got a black screen. ... >> But anyhow, I get the same "not installed" shtick. (Yes, I went back to >> the Ubuntu version afterward.) What's the deal with that? What do I need >> to install? >> >> Back to the source, I saw something like a spiral, drawn from one end, and >> distorting from the other (several turns behind). I only saw it briefly. >> Anybody know what it was, and if it's available separately? > > I am not certain which screensaver you are seeking I found some of them (x{earth,fishtank,snow}, etc.) as standalone programs that can be installed separately. Presumably the ones I didn't find are done similarly, only either the Ubuntu packages don't exist or I don't know where to find them. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 20:54:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0saVD001666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H0sawg001665 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0sZJ5001661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0sZkO004231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:35 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.206]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0sOHk012722 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:25 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 8so123623nzo for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:54:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Vo/RctDoYui9djQs3ygQxM0GaQ+S6Ja+ki7AWKID5RKYZwzvUfh++2ubCWeB0TYLPCxw2spk8zMgDabDE5Uh/zTKurdpWipAwzapAzEPcSGmhSXjYzVGOJfdS/fQyS98+qSFInrAJ+LJ4xZY8sXUQ8RqJIOg7GGmbwG8E0mYzyk= Received: by 10.64.88.11 with SMTP id l11mr426013qbb; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.11 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90605161754w729568ied77e986dbdb216a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:24 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free (almost) In-Reply-To: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 109c65c74b6726fe X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4H0saJ4001662 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You don't happen to have a house for sale, do you? On 5/16/06, Paddy wrote: > I am moving back to my home in Alaska. Five years in paradise is > enough. Nobody ever told me about people and government pollution > before I moved here. > > Anyway, I have a 4 port KVM, numerous nics, cables, switches, SCSI > cards, etc that I'll be happy to give away. > > I also have a 1 U rackmount case for $20. > > If your interested, call me @ 727-445-1929. > > Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 20:55:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0tBZk001682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:55:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H0tBwn001681 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:55:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0tBZ5001677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:55:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0tBwf004241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:55:11 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H0suhK024497 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:56 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 8so123692nzo for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LKKMGRSTg7fYLdQvH3XAE3X2/1/mEZJMiToM0yHQ6GedWQljHH3Hq1cRpyQA5roYPVL3ZDBkD17xNIBlrauI4zkoeEdPKOKRWEI37fyv97yqtQvB8j6sNVS9UqnUizdkWayGxx9V9EWwX7qTUQoYzwbuOvKiWaAQyg2QXK+Tl7E= Received: by 10.64.184.15 with SMTP id h15mr524567qbf; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.183.11 with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 17:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90605161754w50c9690bn9f8c8abd4c47336@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:54:55 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free (almost) In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90605161754w729568ied77e986dbdb216a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> <71cd4dd90605161754w729568ied77e986dbdb216a@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b45ec77e798d46ea X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4H0tBZ4001678 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net My apologies, I didn't mean for that to go to the list. On 5/16/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > You don't happen to have a house for sale, do you? > > On 5/16/06, Paddy wrote: > > I am moving back to my home in Alaska. Five years in paradise is > > enough. Nobody ever told me about people and government pollution > > before I moved here. > > > > Anyway, I have a 4 port KVM, numerous nics, cables, switches, SCSI > > cards, etc that I'll be happy to give away. > > > > I also have a 1 U rackmount case for $20. > > > > If your interested, call me @ 727-445-1929. > > > > Paddy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 21:54:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1sKbx002659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:54:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H1sKts002658 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:54:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1sJQm002654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:54:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1sJEM007515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:54:19 -0400 Received: from ij.net (mail.ij.net [207.22.166.253]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1rxcG024198 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:53:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unverified [209.216.68.135]) by ij.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 198557805 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: <446A8235.5030100@ij.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:53:57 -0400 From: Paddy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free (almost) References: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> <71cd4dd90605161754w729568ied77e986dbdb216a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90605161754w729568ied77e986dbdb216a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=329229864 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anthony DiPierro wrote: > You don't happen to have a house for sale, do you? > > On 5/16/06, Paddy wrote: >> I am moving back to my home in Alaska. Five years in paradise is >> enough. Nobody ever told me about people and government pollution >> before I moved here. >> >> Anyway, I have a 4 port KVM, numerous nics, cables, switches, SCSI >> cards, etc that I'll be happy to give away. >> >> I also have a 1 U rackmount case for $20. >> >> If your interested, call me @ 727-445-1929. >> >> Paddy > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > No. We have leased this house for the past five years. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 21:56:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1upNw002680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:56:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H1uofJ002679 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:56:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1uorK002675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:56:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1uoEV007618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:56:50 -0400 Received: from ij.net (mail.ij.net [207.22.166.253]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H1uXgM020173 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:56:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.18] (unverified [209.216.68.135]) by ij.net (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 198561627 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 21:59:52 -0400 Message-ID: <446A82CF.6070703@ij.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:56:31 -0400 From: Paddy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free (almost) References: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> <71cd4dd90605161754w729568ied77e986dbdb216a@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90605161754w50c9690bn9f8c8abd4c47336@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90605161754w50c9690bn9f8c8abd4c47336@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=329229864 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1, required 6, AWL -1.00, BAYES_80 2.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anthony DiPierro wrote: > My apologies, I didn't mean for that to go to the list. > > On 5/16/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: >> You don't happen to have a house for sale, do you? >> >> On 5/16/06, Paddy wrote: >> > I am moving back to my home in Alaska. Five years in paradise is >> > enough. Nobody ever told me about people and government pollution >> > before I moved here. >> > >> > Anyway, I have a 4 port KVM, numerous nics, cables, switches, SCSI >> > cards, etc that I'll be happy to give away. >> > >> > I also have a 1 U rackmount case for $20. >> > >> > If your interested, call me @ 727-445-1929. >> > >> > Paddy >> That's alright. We almost bought a house in Safety Harbor, two years ago until I found out about all of the permits you have to have from government around here. That's when I decided to go home to Alaska. Paddy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 22:13:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2DpVm002873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:13:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H2DpLq002872 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:13:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2DoWJ002868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:13:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2DoFn008637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:13:50 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2DP9O019308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:13:25 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgBXQ-0001zc-DO for slug@nks.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:13:24 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fg3ej-0008HE-P7 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:48:39 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9DFC5F2C; Tue, 16 May 2006 13:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:48:52 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] All that's old is new again Message-ID: <20060516174852.GA23807@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20060516023247.GA16508@frey> <31f129860605160832t53c4618cv8522bfc183a67144@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <31f129860605160832t53c4618cv8522bfc183a67144@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Sat May 13 13:48:06 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 13:48:06 up 1 day, 15:41, 7 users, load average: 0.09, 0.02, 0.01 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Scan-Signature: 886d3cfb3f2e8b407eca33ae0a22f2ac X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.715, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thus spoke Robert Snyder on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 11:32AM -0400: > Maybe it just a matter of personal preference. I think that Gmail has made > it easier for me to contribute to the list. Everybody puts their pants on a different way. > On 5/15/06, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > > > >So, after using gmail for quite a while, > >with some (infrequent, but public) complaints, I have returned to using > >my own mail server, which is now able to bypass spam filters via the > >magic of an SPF record and an IP address not listed as "dynamic". > > > >I am also using Mutt, just as God and Nature and Michael Elkins intended. > >(Although, I had been using mutt with gmail, there was no further > >benefit to using gmail). > > > >Sense I no longer have the leave the bowels of my terminal emulator, > >it should be a lot easier keeping up and contributing to this list. > > > >-- > >Master Sozan was asked by a student: "What is the most valuable thing in > >the world?" > >The master replied: "The head of a dead cat." > >"Why is the head of a dead cat the most valuable thing in the world?" > >inquired the student. > >Sozan replied: "Because no one can name its price." > >- > >GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 22:56:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2uhx2003658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H2uhrk003657 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2uhw6003653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2ug88011113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:43 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H2uP68029307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:25 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgCD3-0000oz-0a for slug@nks.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:25 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8121E56C19 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446A90D6.4010505@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 22:56:22 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] All that's old is new again References: <20060516023247.GA16508@frey> <31f129860605160832t53c4618cv8522bfc183a67144@mail.gmail.com> <20060516174852.GA23807@frey> In-Reply-To: <20060516174852.GA23807@frey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.817, required 6, AWL -0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Thus spoke Robert Snyder on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 11:32AM -0400: >> Maybe it just a matter of personal preference. I think that Gmail has made >> it easier for me to contribute to the list. > > Everybody puts their pants on a different way. > You mean not everyone lies on the bed with their legs in the air and pulls their pant legs down over their legs?! Wow! ;-} -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 16 23:07:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H37k6i003792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:07:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H37kbY003791 for slug-track29; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:07:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H37kqA003787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:07:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H37kom011851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:07:46 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H37QRP006599 for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:07:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060517030725.PJBA14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 16 May 2006 23:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <446AA269.10500@cox.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:11:21 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] All that's old is new again References: <20060516023247.GA16508@frey> <31f129860605160832t53c4618cv8522bfc183a67144@mail.gmail.com> <20060516174852.GA23807@frey> <446A90D6.4010505@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <446A90D6.4010505@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.55, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.45, BAYES_60 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Dylan William Hardison wrote: >> Thus spoke Robert Snyder on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 at 11:32AM -0400: >>> Maybe it just a matter of personal preference. I think that Gmail >>> has made >>> it easier for me to contribute to the list. >> >> Everybody puts their pants on a different way. >> > > You mean not everyone lies on the bed with their legs in the air and > pulls their pant legs down over their legs?! Wow! > > ;-} > I usually jump in with both feet at the same time. Never one leg at a time! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 17 01:35:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H5ZLYn006658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:35:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4H5ZLA3006657 for slug-track29; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:35:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H5ZLkU006653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:35:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H5ZKJV024305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:35:21 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4H5Z9EG025282 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 01:35:09 -0400 Received: from [70.210.244.96] by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZE00MLXA69G5H2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 17 May 2006 00:35:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 01:36:27 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free (almost) In-reply-to: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <446AB65B.30603@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paddy wrote: > I am moving back to my home in Alaska. Five years in paradise is > enough. Nobody ever told me about people and government pollution > before I moved here. Hi Paddy! You never asked about people and government pollution! Of course, there are no polluted people in Alaska, and no polluted government either, of course. :-) God bless you and please stay in touch. Try not to freeze to death or get eaten by a bear. Maybe even stay on the list? The list should work anywhere, I think? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 17 06:45:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HAjp6G012800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:45:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4HAjpoI012799 for slug-track29; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:45:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HAjom2012795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:45:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HAjl9K016284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:45:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HAjaLm014643 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:45:36 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4HAjZFD025644 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 06:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200605171045.k4HAjZFD025644@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 06:50:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Thread-Index: AcZ5HMdilsIkITviR9qYnupGqa2VDAAgjPgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.287, required 6, AWL -1.81, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> they just turn off the machine without doing a proper shutdown. >> Something that will prevent loss of data? Anything? Education. I had clients that did that, so I described it as being the same thing as their husband/wife putting the car in park, while driving at 60. You might not break the transmission the first time, but you _will_ destroy it sooner or later. Would you be frustrated that you couldn't convince him/her that it was a destructive action? That usually did the trick. Ken Elliott ===================== ________________________________ From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bill Glidden Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:13 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. Despite my repeated admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine without doing a proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for them. Is there any way to "harden" Linux against this sort of behavior? Something that will prevent loss of data? Anything? 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 17 19:25:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNPDcd025090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:25:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4HNPDri025089 for slug-track29; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:25:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNPCNa025085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:25:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNPCi0029204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:25:12 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net (centrmmtao02.cox.net [70.168.83.82]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNOpAo019850 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:24:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060517232449.EGEO12772.centrmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:24:49 -0400 Message-ID: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:28:46 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Apple + Linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.913, required 6, AWL -1.59, BAYES_99 3.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, everybody! Well, my wife has been wanting a Mac for some time now. Good grief, those things are expensive! Well, I didn't want to spring for a new one and have her not like it or even be ho-hum about it, so I found her a nice, used G4 to play with. Of course, in this household, there will be some Linux time on that machine. It comes pre-loaded with OS 10.4 and a bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any of that. I have an extra little hard drive that would work just fine for a Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can set up a dual-boot on it between the two hard drives without screwing anything up. Do any of you have experience in this area? What I have learned from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes to be on the first partition on the first drive. I wonder if I could put the existing drive on the other connector on the ribbon cable, re-jumper it as slave, slap the other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it a day. That sounds like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth of software to me! Anyway, any insight would be welcomed and cherished. Thanks. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 17 19:44:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNiqHj025310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:44:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4HNiq0n025309 for slug-track29; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:44:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNiqvi025305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:44:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNip4m029996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:44:52 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNifXI008016 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:44:42 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48ADB6E11 for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 16:44:40 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apple + Linux Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:44:39 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605171944.39195.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.111, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 17 May 2006 20:28, michael hast wrote: > Hey, everybody! > > Well, my wife has been wanting a Mac for some time now. Good grief, > those things are expensive! Well, I didn't want to spring for a new one > and have her not like it or even be ho-hum about it, so I found her a > nice, used G4 to play with. Of course, in this household, there will be > some Linux time on that machine. It comes pre-loaded with OS 10.4 and a > bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any of that. I > have an extra little hard drive that would work just fine for a > Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can set up a dual-boot on it > between the two hard drives without screwing anything up. > Do any of you have experience in this area? What I have learned > from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes to be on the first partition > on the first drive. I wonder if I could put the existing drive on the > other connector on the ribbon cable, re-jumper it as slave, slap the > other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it a day. That sounds > like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth of > software to me! Anyway, any insight would be welcomed and cherished. > Thanks. Grub handles that easily. (Read the doc, it's pretty easy.) What you do is make the Linux box the first drive so that it can load grub and give you the dual boot choice. Then use the grub command to fool OSX to think it is the first drive. Just like you would with windows. This way you are not at all altering OSX and can dump linux later. This is one way of doing it: title Old2000Kernel rootnoverify (hd1,0) chainloader +1 When you install Linux you don't even need to have the OSX drive connected. Though some installers are good with recognizing aother OS's and automatically add them to grub. If I'm not sure I just disable the other OS and do my Linux install. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 17 19:45:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNjW01025331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4HNjW2g025330 for slug-track29; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNjVcR025326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNjVtr030044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:31 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4HNjNpY005632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:23 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgVhi-0000bq-LM for slug@nks.net; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:23 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgVhS-00017L-AI for slug@nks.net; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:21 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 00FCECFD; Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 19:45:36 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apple + Linux Message-ID: <20060517234536.GA12344@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> Reply-By: Sun May 14 19:42:23 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 19:42:23 up 20:12, 6 users, load average: 0.05, 0.03, 0.00 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "titania.hardison.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thus spoke michael hast on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 07:28PM -0500: > Hey, everybody! > > Well, my wife has been wanting a Mac for some time now. Good grief, > those things are expensive! Well, I didn't want to spring for a new one > and have her not like it or even be ho-hum about it, so I found her a > nice, used G4 to play with. Of course, in this household, there will be > some Linux time on that machine. It comes pre-loaded with OS 10.4 and a > bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any of that. I > have an extra little hard drive that would work just fine for a > Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can set up a dual-boot on it > between the two hard drives without screwing anything up. > Do any of you have experience in this area? What I have learned > from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes to be on the first partition > on the first drive. I wonder if I could put the existing drive on the > other connector on the ribbon cable, re-jumper it as slave, slap the > other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it a day. That sounds > like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth of > software to me! Anyway, any insight would be welcomed and cherished. > Thanks. [...] Content analysis details: (-1.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scan-Signature: 0eb44133e615ddfba5817b3c5cb6a8ef X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.51, required 6, BAYES_05 -1.11, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thus spoke michael hast on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 07:28PM -0500: > Hey, everybody! > > Well, my wife has been wanting a Mac for some time now. Good grief, > those things are expensive! Well, I didn't want to spring for a new one > and have her not like it or even be ho-hum about it, so I found her a > nice, used G4 to play with. Of course, in this household, there will be > some Linux time on that machine. It comes pre-loaded with OS 10.4 and a > bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any of that. I > have an extra little hard drive that would work just fine for a > Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can set up a dual-boot on it > between the two hard drives without screwing anything up. > Do any of you have experience in this area? What I have learned > from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes to be on the first partition > on the first drive. I wonder if I could put the existing drive on the > other connector on the ribbon cable, re-jumper it as slave, slap the > other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it a day. That sounds > like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth of > software to me! Anyway, any insight would be welcomed and cherished. > Thanks. These days, I hear Debian is the best choice for Linux on the PPC. Any particular reason you're going to try YellowDog? -- "Be true to your work, your word, and your friend." -- Henry David Thoreau - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 00:26:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4Q8Tj029902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:26:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4I4Q8rP029901 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:26:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4Q70R029897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:26:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4Q7Eb013405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:26:07 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.193]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4Po2X028709 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:25:51 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so122497hug for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=n5Z9ungM8dHSNdirQAkghd2KJuhtHbXM1YBlWzrnThxfUxATg8hauUZe0LAoR1UQzXEvA/Zjr/pKNCEmM3quwhR9N4YgGn0aaZUoRcCknY4VYTnHPVofws/+8WfKikNEOSCcL3uVHM2Y7Onq0kndvqxjm2WaZ1RcIFBjqZbxyTQ= Received: by 10.49.10.13 with SMTP id n13mr119030nfi; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.9 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:25:49 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.6, required 6, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4I4Q80Q029898 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, I guess I screwed up, I was trying to find a old movie for my wife to download I found it on Kazaa, and of course when I investigated the web site told me I needed to pay in order to download the movie, so I paid for a subscription, I never in all of the process found a indication that I was going to need special software in order to do this, once they got my payment I was presented with a screen that showed two options, a download for Windows platforms and another for Mac OS X. So I guess I will have to call the bank tomorrow and question the purchase. Had Kazaa have indicated that I was going to need to download special software prior to giving them a purchase I would have not done so, but they indicated nothing. Prior to my halting the transaction, is there a Linux solution in order to be able to use the service or do I try to stop it? All my wife wanted was a old Sinbad movie (she loves those things and so I thought I would get the whole load of them for her to watch) looks like I shall have to look elsewhere or purchase it on DVD, I would rather just have the thing on a file on the computer) -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 00:31:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4VlQ1029941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:31:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4I4VlnP029940 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:31:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4VlTL029936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:31:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4VksM013877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:31:47 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4VU92000308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:31:31 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4I4PuHK006811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:25:57 -0700 Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FgaAb-0004fy-3c for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:31:29 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:31:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Wed, 17 May 2006 21:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.548, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 18 May 2006 00:25, Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > I guess I screwed up, I was trying to find a old movie for my wife to > download I found it on Kazaa, and of course when I investigated the web > site told me I needed to pay... You need to pay to download stuff from the FastTrack p2p network? That's news to me. What Web site told you to pay? -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 00:39:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4dd1L029992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:39:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4I4ddU3029991 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:39:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4dcVh029987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:39:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4dchq014649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:39:38 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.201]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4dRa5029776 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:39:27 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so124110hug for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:39:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lBCuA5jMOR9V1CzrsN5LwHO9XQXAlSwDDU8les9xW0qwbITYboSoQWIGDthp9eUvI/r9TVO3ltA0nNCE+FfDH5KaTPSbWBh+YatMhL8+a6cZmOh8IDhzkSu/9WiN2TsgYIuMUC6E/iiZrU3KpBxmEOgZc4C07wHjmJTHIiPtJFA= Received: by 10.48.241.4 with SMTP id o4mr139020nfh; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.9 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:39:25 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.6, required 6, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4I4dcVg029988 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/18/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > On Thursday 18 May 2006 00:25, Chuck Hast wrote: > > Folks, > > I guess I screwed up, I was trying to find a old movie for my wife to > > download I found it on Kazaa, and of course when I investigated the web > > site told me I needed to pay... > > You need to pay to download stuff from the FastTrack p2p network? > > That's news to me. > > What Web site told you to pay? > I did a google on sinbad movies, most of the sites sold or rented DVD's I was looking for a site to download the things, I do not mind paying a reasonble price and do not want to take something that should be paid for anyhow, so I stumbled on the following site: http://www.kazaagold-movies.com/movies/indexPPC.php As you can see on the page they talk a bit about the different service offerings, when I klicked on the movie of interest I was taken to a page that told me that I needed to join, it gave a 2 year sub or a one time payment sub, I figured that I would take the 1 time payment and not worry about it again. So I gave them the pertinent info and stepped through until I got to where it said I was a Kazaa Gold member and could now download the software (that is where it first said something about software) and it showed only two offerings, as pointed oout in my previous message. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 00:47:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4lFjB030144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:47:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4I4lFCH030143 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:47:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4lFor030139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:47:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4lElE015276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:47:14 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4kugJ022402 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:46:57 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so390194uge for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:46:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CpdptKuASyyVTAfnk6oBsz59JadrpO2Lrv7aS9SK4gKsTfPBpWmmIQiTo5QrQZiLFo7/kODf5msDMCI2vFF1RlxBH+qdhvmd94/KF3hikIuzuf+U3NeEXupPZAtqGUshbjN1gTJOxDz83D/MCtIWdX1PejizXcq8IIaG8Eocf/w= Received: by 10.78.43.1 with SMTP id q1mr164464huq; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:46:55 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.367, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.23, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4I4lFoq030140 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net halt the transaction. link 1: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/howto_linux.php Link 2: http://www.mininova.org/ you tell me the exact movie title and maybe i can find it for you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 00:55:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4t44Y030210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:55:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4I4t4x0030209 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:55:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4t30L030205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:55:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4t3Q7015880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:55:03 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.193]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4I4sjaQ009198 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 00:54:46 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so126342hug for ; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:54:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MWWkdv63Qd9InnjIkm/NczGjRvXkt9lND1ZnmP+0cTRAkOLko/BDq0fSUp1yWAdXH1jcF5P5QKY4IR/3Kj3NSfbt6tIZZrLQk/PuYoRRjWTr1CYQc4UmxbGqGei09vy+OfbeMWgAokaHaPtBVvhVNWGhO6Mbm0Xp6J3ikS6+JVs= Received: by 10.48.233.19 with SMTP id f19mr152843nfh; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.9 with HTTP; Wed, 17 May 2006 21:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 00:54:44 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.6, required 6, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4I4t30K030206 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/18/06, chris lee wrote: > halt the transaction. > > link 1: http://azureus.sourceforge.net/howto_linux.php > > Link 2: http://www.mininova.org/ > > you tell me the exact movie title and maybe i can find it for you. Thank you, this is the one I was trying to get: The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad (1958) I will dispute the thing tomorrow and stop it. I just found a site that does support Linux, but first I am going to stop payment on the first one before trying to sign up for the second. Also thank you for the other links. I have bittorent on this machine and indeed have used it to download other things (linux images) so I know that works. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 11:04:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IF4lrv008592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4IF4l71008591 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IF4lGF008587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IF4lMd026406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:47 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IF4XZj027066 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:33 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4IF4V0G011725 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 11:04:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] system fonts Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:29:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4IKTCUB014929 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:29:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IKTB5D014925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:29:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IKT9DD013355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:29:12 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IKSiZG012043 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 16:28:50 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so586509uge for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nq9D4miIFJUbuNtDrHdyps5Br/2+3IWLV6kp4AjraQhtOj7vCX7sefU3jojyc8hXlnRGMokeYnzCUfaw9WE0y99BJzi88NzulilX8/AC/TVjx2eZAaN9J80mka3ihbzRopepmrxGkpeySOtHw+79G+fS1X2BO897teE0YEqJYd4= Received: by 10.78.52.17 with SMTP id z17mr434807huz; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:28:37 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.197, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.40, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net unless your buying from a reputable company, amazon or ebay for instance you shouldnt have to pay to download. you can find 7th voyage of sinbad at the following link, it is a torrent so download azureus then this. http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3476219 <-- PAL DVD, playable on a computer or a DVD player that can handle PAL. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 17:27:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ILRpPb016215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:27:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ILRpF7016214 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:27:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ILRoUO016210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:27:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ILRooo017142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:27:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ILRUld018303 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:27:30 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ILRTrs025830 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] man pages Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:39:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ILd2Ag016286 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:39:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ILd1tj016281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:39:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ILd1oh017737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:39:01 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ILcjiJ019136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:38:46 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FgqCi-0003cC-Lh for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:38:44 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id C640256C19 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446CE962.30307@quillandmouse.com> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:38:42 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.64, required 6, AWL -0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > unless your buying from a reputable company, amazon or ebay for > instance you shouldnt have to pay to download. > Please tell me you're not encouraging piracy on this list. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 18:01:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM16fZ016603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:01:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4IM16ht016602 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:01:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM15LD016598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:01:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM15wF019062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:01:05 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM0sHH020307 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:00:55 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so604391uge for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:00:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uMP+v/YHM/U61efyHSeePvM0HbJDn0w3v1cgCVWSAGbGaezO8LLY0vEHCwS0pv8foNa1HG062+yeQBu/1SQgYcJQx5Hrr5UYLupOYvU8G1NTQgXSXWmobzYlzW4+pwZQTRvpFlD5rarsxC8daDrsdZkAHZRIA8/my/XiT5skuBo= Received: by 10.78.51.16 with SMTP id y16mr455604huy; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:00:53 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <446CE962.30307@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <446CE962.30307@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.297, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net not in the slightest, in trying to keep him from getting caught in a scam. he give them his credit card info and now hes open to anything they wish to do with it. including running it up with whatever they wish to charge on it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 18:08:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM8ZgK016648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4IM8ZE7016647 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM8Y60016643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM8YGM019412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:34 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4IM8Fei032217 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:16 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4IM8EIw016124 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:08:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] man pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: In which Ubuntu package do I find man pages for the common C functions -- > str*, *scan*, etc? I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=47509 , which contains this gem: ,-- | The packages that you need are | manpages-posix and | manpages-posix-dev '-- Woohoo! -- A well-loved and correctly trained domestic canine is generally slobbery, excitable, noisy, scatalogically obsessed, xenophobic, pathetically unjudgmental, embarrassingly uninhibited, unreasoningly devoted, heartbreakingly dependent and wretchedly craven. - P.B. / AFCA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 19:17:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INHKF5017939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:17:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4INHKDV017938 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:17:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INHK7F017934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:17:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INHKIX023195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:17:20 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INH8XL030677 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:17:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060518231707.CZOJ23821.centrmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:17:07 -0400 Message-ID: <446D0F71.4020002@cox.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:21:05 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apple + Linux References: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> <20060517234536.GA12344@frey> In-Reply-To: <20060517234536.GA12344@frey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.112, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.37, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Thus spoke michael hast on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 at 07:28PM -0500: > >> Hey, everybody! >> >> Well, my wife has been wanting a Mac for some time now. Good grief, >> those things are expensive! Well, I didn't want to spring for a new one >> and have her not like it or even be ho-hum about it, so I found her a >> nice, used G4 to play with. Of course, in this household, there will be >> some Linux time on that machine. It comes pre-loaded with OS 10.4 and a >> bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any of that. I >> have an extra little hard drive that would work just fine for a >> Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can set up a dual-boot on it >> between the two hard drives without screwing anything up. >> Do any of you have experience in this area? What I have learned >> from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes to be on the first partition >> on the first drive. I wonder if I could put the existing drive on the >> other connector on the ribbon cable, re-jumper it as slave, slap the >> other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it a day. That sounds >> like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth of >> software to me! Anyway, any insight would be welcomed and cherished. >> Thanks. >> > > These days, I hear Debian is the best choice for Linux on the PPC. > Any particular reason you're going to try YellowDog? > > Yellodog was specifically written to run on a PPC, and I was under the impression that Apple would actually support the installation of said on one of their precious Mac's. I may have to do some more googling about it, because we are Debain heads over here. If Debian really will do that well, then we will probably do that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 19:37:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INbelp018264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:37:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4INbeVY018263 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:37:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INbeme018259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:37:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INbdQ9024266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:37:39 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4INbSpp006969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:37:28 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4INfSfd020325 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:41:28 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4INfSZO020324; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:41:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2800.192.168.8.8.1147995688.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] man pages From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.232, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.23) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > In which Ubuntu package do I find man pages for the common C functions -- > str*, *scan*, etc? > Section 3 of the man pages will have that info. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 22:58:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2wN61021309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J2wNka021308 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2wMoo021304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2wMUv001852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:22 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2w9Lx010216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:09 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgvBj-0000wS-ME for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:03 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgrUV-0001gQ-T3 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:01:26 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 040731902; Thu, 18 May 2006 19:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 19:01:45 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Slug List Subject: [SLUG] Testing threading Message-ID: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> Mail-Followup-To: Slug List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Mon May 15 19:00:47 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? 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Could someone randomly respond to this? -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming" - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 22:58:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2wLmK021302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J2wLML021301 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2wKUO021297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2wKNg001849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:20 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J2w5Yv010832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:05 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgvBk-0000wS-GY for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:58:04 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgqVN-0001c5-99 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:58:16 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 554771902; Thu, 18 May 2006 17:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 17:58:35 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] man pages Message-ID: <20060518215834.GA4465@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Mon May 15 17:55:31 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 17:55:31 up 4:46, 7 users, load average: 0.11, 0.05, 0.02 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "titania.hardison.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Thus spoke Eben King on Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 05:27PM -0400: > In which Ubuntu package do I find man pages for the common C functions -- > str*, *scan*, etc? manpages-dev (at least, en Debian. I assume ubuntu is the same). [...] Content analysis details: (-1.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scan-Signature: 69abfad2df1a73fa8d6e3641dfa9d8cc X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.932, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thus spoke Eben King on Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 05:27PM -0400: > In which Ubuntu package do I find man pages for the common C functions -- > str*, *scan*, etc? manpages-dev (at least, en Debian. I assume ubuntu is the same). -- "Saturday in the morning, and the rain keep falling. Brother didn't get no sleep, now he's really feeling beat. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 23:01:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J31TGH021415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:01:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J31T5u021414 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:01:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J31Snn021410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:01:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J31TGr002187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:01:29 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J31E4v029178 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:01:15 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so643708uge for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p8x6tAPjhqUE4E/9OYtap2X5FE9tzGCwPdHZVwA1Rxw4WHNo9/BdfYoBQxg+b4XOfuL4fz8u9tsooZW+Kjb+08jGkTAG1fqeM8wW/1b5PY07aRxmCPenN5Amcmc1RDujigXB7a5gqzduwVVlD91ayzwkkZOb/Qx6zGBLXjKrtEU= Received: by 10.78.51.16 with SMTP id y16mr493149huy; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Thu, 18 May 2006 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 23:01:14 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading In-Reply-To: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.989, required 6, AWL 0.01, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net replied. On 5/18/06, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Testing threading. Could someone randomly respond to this? > -- > Thus spake the master programmer: > "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." > -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming" > - > GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=aW5keV9tdWFkZGli ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 18 23:25:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J3P6Xq022041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:25:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J3P6Cj022040 for slug-track29; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:25:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J3P5oo022036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:25:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J3P5GR003496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:25:05 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J3OjEc017301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:24:45 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgvbZ-0000wy-0U for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:24:45 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FgvbJ-0001ot-SM for slug@nks.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:24:44 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 594E91C04; Thu, 18 May 2006 23:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 23:25:04 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading Message-ID: <20060519032504.GA8762@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Mon May 15 23:23:08 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 23:23:08 up 10:13, 7 users, load average: 0.22, 0.05, 0.02 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: f3fbf48503f80e0fc3d8172feeb3323a X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake chris lee on Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 11:01PM -0400: > replied. > Cool. Yay mutt! -- Do, or do not; there is no try. - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 00:31:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J4VJZS023054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:31:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J4VJHa023053 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:31:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J4VIHf023049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:31:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J4VI1V009020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:31:18 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J4V8pF018780 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:31:08 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060519043107.RWLX23821.centrmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 00:31:07 -0400 Message-ID: <446D5909.7090705@cox.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 00:35:05 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading References: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> In-Reply-To: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.963, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.64, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Testing threading. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 01:30:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5UQdO024049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:30:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J5UQ0e024048 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:30:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5UQiF024044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:30:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5UPQn013930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:30:26 -0400 Received: from randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5UE4x024197 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:30:14 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC013AF12E for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:30:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605190130.07668.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.193, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.41, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Out of thread reply (only same subject). -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 01:36:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5avFQ024090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:36:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J5av2i024089 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:36:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5auWj024085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:36:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5aupv014197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:36:56 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5ahel007433 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:36:43 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79739B6917 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:36:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605190136.40992.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.156, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.15, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Haha! Of course I pressed reply! -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 01:43:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5hjxg024177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:43:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J5hjPD024176 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:43:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5hiLv024172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:43:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5hiTq014636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:43:44 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J5hV2u026570 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 01:43:31 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37227EEB07 for ; Thu, 18 May 2006 22:43:27 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading. Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 01:43:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605190136.40992.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605190136.40992.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605190143.25739.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.073, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 19 May 2006 01:36, steve szmidt wrote: > Haha! Of course I pressed reply! Nope. I got Kmail to thread on subject as well. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 02:02:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J62QEu024437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4J62QIL024436 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J62PoR024432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J62Pip015665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:25 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4J62AJg031241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:11 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fgy3t-00088k-Us for slug@nks.net; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:10 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id D237956C19 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <446D5F5B.4070204@quillandmouse.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 02:02:03 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading References: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> <20060519032504.GA8762@frey> In-Reply-To: <20060519032504.GA8762@frey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.548, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake chris lee on Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 11:01PM -0400: >> replied. >> > > Cool. Yay mutt! > You doubted the Most Holy And Venerable Mutt? Shame! ;-} -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 10:29:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JEThRd000321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:29:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JEThqn000320 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:29:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JETgaj000316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:29:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JETgjK013978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:29:42 -0400 Received: from mail.cigflorida.com (rrcs-24-73-76-68.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.76.68]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JETV8i000775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:29:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 17240 invoked by uid 508); 19 May 2006 10:29:30 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.20.101?) (garik@cigflorida.com@192.168.20.101) by mail.cigflorida.com with SMTP; 19 May 2006 10:29:30 -0400 Message-ID: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:29:00 -0400 From: baris nema User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core 4), and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 pages) to the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my print server (I'm using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause for a minute, print another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going in that manner till the print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 11:01:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JF1tnH000660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:01:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JF1t9e000659 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:01:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JF1t17000655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:01:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JF1tJW015484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:01:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JF1bk8012594 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:01:37 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JF1ZDU002075 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs In-Reply-To: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> Message-ID: References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> X-GetARealMailreader: I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core 4), > and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 pages) to > the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my print server (I'm > using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause for a minute, print > another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going in that manner till the > print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? Instead of printing direcly to cups, I guess you could write a script (that you print to instead) that sends the job as-is with the additional instruction to print pages 1-3, sleep 60, sends it with the instruction to print pages 4-6, sleep 60, etc. I guess the script should get cups' status and wait until it's idle before it sends the next batch. (Can cups handle multiple printers? Do you _have_ multiple printers?) -- "Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century, which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as Poland." - from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 11:25:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFPoir001284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:25:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JFPoa4001283 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:25:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFPn43001279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:25:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFPnfd016687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:25:49 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFPY68016244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:25:35 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4JFTXjc024463 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:29:33 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4JFTXeO024462; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:29:33 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.202 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42923.12.43.115.202.1148052573.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.093, required 6, AWL 0.91, BAYES_00 -2.60, FB_WORD_01DOLLAR1 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core > 4), and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 > pages) to the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my > print server (I'm using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause > for a minute, print another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going in > that manner till the print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? If you can get the jobs in Postscript format (should be pretty simple), then you can use the psselect command to specify which pages to print. You can grab the number of pages by looking for "%%Pages: " in the Postscript file. Create a script does something like this: for ( $i=1; $i <= $numpages; $i+=4 ) { startp = $i; endp = $i + 3; psselect -p$startp,$endp $postscript_filename $tempfile; lpr $tempfile; sleep 60; } -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 11:53:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFr7Lf001510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:53:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JFr7Pp001509 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:53:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFr7sd001505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:53:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFr7US017979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:53:07 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JFqtp6013284 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:52:55 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JFqswu009848 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 11:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 11:53:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs In-Reply-To: <42923.12.43.115.202.1148052573.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> <42923.12.43.115.202.1148052573.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-GetARealMailreader: >> I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core >> 4), and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 >> pages) to the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my >> print server (I'm using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause >> for a minute, print another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going in >> that manner till the print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? > > If you can get the jobs in Postscript format (should be pretty simple), > then you can use the psselect command to specify which pages to print. > You can grab the number of pages by looking for "%%Pages: " in the > Postscript file. Create a script does something like this: > > for ( $i=1; $i <= $numpages; $i+=4 ) { > startp = $i; > endp = $i + 3; > psselect -p$startp,$endp $postscript_filename $tempfile; > lpr $tempfile; > sleep 60; > } What happens when numpages=5, on the second pass (pages 5-8)? Is pselect smart enough to tolerate nonexistent pages? Don't forget to rm $postscript_filename $tempfile when you're done. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar My parents went to a planet where the inhabitants have no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this lousy F-shirt. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 13:59:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JHxD0G003538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:59:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JHxDVc003537 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:59:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JHxCl2003533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:59:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JHxC3r024899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:59:12 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JHwthU003918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:58:56 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fh9FW-0000T7-TE for slug@nks.net; Fri, 19 May 2006 13:58:55 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fh5rg-00029q-Ur for slug@nks.net; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:22:19 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4A7B71C00; Fri, 19 May 2006 10:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 10:22:40 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Testing threading Message-ID: <20060519142239.GA12337@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20060518230145.GA4776@frey> <20060519032504.GA8762@frey> <446D5F5B.4070204@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <446D5F5B.4070204@quillandmouse.com> Reply-By: Tue May 16 10:19:31 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 10:19:31 up 21:10, 7 users, load average: 0.23, 0.05, 0.02 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: 762f49ae031766c142b493512f46a79c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.106, required 6, AWL 0.40, BAYES_05 -1.11, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Paul M Foster on Friday, May 19, 2006 at 02:02AM -0400: > Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >Spake chris lee on Thursday, May 18, 2006 at 11:01PM -0400: > >>replied. > >> > > > >Cool. Yay mutt! > > > > You doubted the Most Holy And Venerable Mutt? Shame! Well, I'm playing with the mailing list settings mutt has. I also didn't use it for SLUG mail for a year (or sending most mail in general) because of accursed spam filters blocking me. -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming" - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 14:23:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JINSYM004244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:23:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JINSBT004243 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:23:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JINRQB004239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:23:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JINRW8026442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:23:27 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JINFS9028623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:23:16 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4JIRExb025270 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:27:14 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4JIRE8E025269; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:27:14 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 14:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2789.192.168.8.8.1148063234.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> <42923.12.43.115.202.1148052573.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, AWL -0.79, BAYES_05 -1.11, FB_WORD_01DOLLAR1 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> If you can get the jobs in Postscript format (should be pretty simple), >> then you can use the psselect command to specify which pages to print. >> You can grab the number of pages by looking for "%%Pages: " in the >> Postscript file. Create a script does something like this: >> >> for ( $i=1; $i <= $numpages; $i+=4 ) { >> startp = $i; >> endp = $i + 3; >> psselect -p$startp,$endp $postscript_filename $tempfile; >> lpr $tempfile; >> sleep 60; >> } > > What happens when numpages=5, on the second pass (pages 5-8)? Is pselect > smart enough to tolerate nonexistent pages? > > Don't forget to rm $postscript_filename $tempfile when you're done. The script will no doubt need to be modified. Not sure if psselect can appect the range or you may need to specify the individual pages (e.g., 9,10,11,12 instead of 9,12). -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 19:32:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JNWDjg009082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:32:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4JNWDKH009081 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:32:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JNWCPt009077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:32:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JNWC2L007676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:32:12 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4JNVxon019906 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:32:00 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4JNVwYR011741 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200605192331.k4JNVwYR011741@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 19:37:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> Thread-Index: AcZ7UMIOjukLpzVYQy2JTmpqV4JBAQATB2Gw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.761, required 6, AWL -1.15, BAYES_40 -0.18, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 >> pages) to the printer it jams up. Is it physically jamming? Or is it messing up the output because it's getting too much data at once? If it's getting too much data, you have a communications issue. How is the printer connected? What kind of printer (HP LJ4000, etc...)? Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of baris nema Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 10:29 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core 4), and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 pages) to the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my print server (I'm using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause for a minute, print another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going in that manner till the print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 21:20:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1KTOi010896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:20:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4K1KTNW010895 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:20:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1KShb010891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:20:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1KStN012677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:20:28 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1KFrh029274 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:20:16 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.10] (45-104.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.104.45]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92DE1407C2F for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <446E6ED8.1050000@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:20:24 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> In-Reply-To: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.199, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net baris nema wrote: > I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core > 4), and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 > pages) to the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my > print server (I'm using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause > for a minute, print another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going > in that manner till the print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Try 24# paper. My Samsung laser jet jams after 2-3 pages with 20# paper. Switching to 24# paper resolved the issue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 21:24:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1Ob2p010926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:24:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4K1Ob6w010925 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:24:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1OarM010921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:24:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1Oanw012870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:24:36 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1OKwT008291 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:24:21 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so874982uge for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:24:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=if3dD+QrkGcitZLxw1OXVd5M2HgjdMCMRmvC5HWkmrr9e6OPHkZ4rt6jkFqdiz2NIq3cMcogm5ZUrj52aTD9DtJx8/pEzcQ3vbyN1qF/hDMW9s7ju/1+1zHKp+NyDWLuwB6ckUkO7drZv3cp055dYw1XxkkDsEO6IrlZjrbYj9A= Received: by 10.78.42.7 with SMTP id p7mr712461hup; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.32.11 with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 18:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0605191824q4889a470ydddf8f9f6825f916@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:24:19 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.02, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/19/06, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 19 May 2006, baris nema wrote: > > > I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core 4), > > and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 pages) to > > the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my print server (I'm > > using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause for a minute, print > > another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going in that manner till the > > print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? > > Instead of printing direcly to cups, I guess you could write a script (that > you print to instead) that sends the job as-is with the additional > instruction to print pages 1-3, sleep 60, sends it with the instruction to > print pages 4-6, sleep 60, etc. I guess the script should get cups' status > and wait until it's idle before it sends the next batch. (Can cups handle > multiple printers? Do you _have_ multiple printers?) Script is right track, but likely best to have the script act as a new cups backend. That way he doesn't have to jump through hoops to print from various applications. Just print to printer named LaserSplit (for example) configured to use the split script backend, which in turn sends the output to printer named Laser using whatever backend he had originally configured. ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 21:51:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1paCM011149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4K1pauC011148 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1pZor011144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1pZhh013811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:35 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K1pMaV030032 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:22 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4K1pLJC014641 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 21:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0605191824q4889a470ydddf8f9f6825f916@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> <125d27dd0605191824q4889a470ydddf8f9f6825f916@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On 5/19/06, Eben King wrote: >> On Fri, 19 May 2006, baris nema wrote: >> >> > I have a laser printer hooked up to my Linux print server (fedora core >> > 4), and unfortunately whenever I send a large print job (more then 4 >> > pages) to the printer it jams up. I am looking for a way to have my >> > print server (I'm using cups), to automatically print 3-4 pages, pause >> > for a minute, print another 3-4 pages, pause a minute, and keep going >> > in that manner till the print job is over. Anybody have any ideas? >> >> Instead of printing direcly to cups, I guess you could write a script >> (that you print to instead) that sends the job as-is with the additional >> instruction to print pages 1-3, sleep 60, sends it with the instruction >> to print pages 4-6, sleep 60, etc. I guess the script should get cups' >> status and wait until it's idle before it sends the next batch. (Can >> cups handle multiple printers? Do you _have_ multiple printers?) > > Script is right track, but likely best to have the script act as a new > cups backend. That way he doesn't have to jump through hoops to print > from various applications. Just print to printer named LaserSplit (for > example) configured to use the split script backend, which in turn sends > the output to printer named Laser using whatever backend he had originally > configured. Yes, fair enough. That would be tougher for me to do (since I don't know the interfaces involved), but if Mr. Nema does, go for it. -- A well-loved and correctly trained domestic canine is generally slobbery, excitable, noisy, scatalogically obsessed, xenophobic, pathetically unjudgmental, embarrassingly uninhibited, unreasoningly devoted, heartbreakingly dependent and wretchedly craven. - P.B. / AFCA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 19 22:45:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K2jxbo012056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 22:45:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4K2jxqp012055 for slug-track29; Fri, 19 May 2006 22:45:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K2jwHx012051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 22:45:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K2jwYC015988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 22:45:58 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K2jjet028702 for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 22:45:46 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so881850uge for ; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:45:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KrcM9h4IcEBPXTElspE2gxUj7hum45RtnDAA5Rgdw7BxwQfxLDIi/nytUhIG65Eo2AQKNyggxP+0aepjVGeFneP1/gmCTHTPBitjVJ+CsySb3LCqWcqo6rvLrV5CA3fWf9NyTr1yXMez5/5HHAFrNXn+9VC+VGHH92Qnn7TRsOw= Received: by 10.78.58.11 with SMTP id g11mr717345hua; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.32.11 with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2006 19:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0605191945r1cac6037l75cc643728dd5e75@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 22:45:44 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] automatically breaking up large print jobs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <446DD62C.2040206@cigflorida.com> <125d27dd0605191824q4889a470ydddf8f9f6825f916@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.373, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.19, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It's nice when software (like CUPS) makes these kinds of things easy. See sample pdf backend script: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/printing/pdfdistiller ... different purpose of course, but a good demonstration of how little is required of a backend. Additional environment variables are documented in man 1 backend, depending on how robust/complicated you want to get. Good luck, ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 20 04:28:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K8SP1i017798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 04:28:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4K8SP45017797 for slug-track29; Sat, 20 May 2006 04:28:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K8SOhp017793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 04:28:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K8SOOQ007456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 04:28:24 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4K8SBgX031956 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 04:28:11 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4K8SAXV006550 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 04:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 04:28:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] xscreensaver and a lockfile Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: /dev/null 2>&1 /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command -watch "$@" 2>&1 \ | while read line ; do case $line in RUN*) echo "Last xscreensaver mode: `echo "$line" | awk '{print $2}'`" ;; UNBLANK*) /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command -exit rm "$lockfile" fetchmail | grep -v 'No mail' exit esac | tail -1 >> "$xerrorfile" done The script never exits when I wake up xscreensaver. Here's the end of "set -x"'s output: + case $line in + /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command -exit + rm /home/eben/.locked + fetchmail + grep -v 'No mail' + tail -1 + exit + read line Hmm? I though "exit" exited unconditionally. What I really want is for xscreensaver-command to be killed whenever it outputs a line beginning with "UNBLANK", and I'll move the stuff in that part of the case outside the case. I tried using "grep -q", but couldn't make it work. Any clues? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 20 14:57:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KIvZsA028716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4KIvZSv028715 for slug-track29; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KIvYQ4028711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KIvYZL005143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:34 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KIvD6f030797 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:13 -0400 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.100.238.69]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZK00A10VBC3UMI@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 20 May 2006 13:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:57:11 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] {Filename?} Web form To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605201457.12097.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_Ia2bEJATk3QC7Vf" User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be infected X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.155, required 6, AWL -0.00, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --Boundary-00=_Ia2bEJATk3QC7Vf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (wforms_hint.js, wforms_core.js, wforms_repeat.js, wforms_validation.js, wforms_switch.js, wForms_2_0.zip, wforms_paging.js). Warning: Please read the "VirusWarning.txt" attachment(s) for more information. Fellow Geeks, I have modified a script that I found online. (it is gpl) It is a contact form for a website. It is designed to send the responses to the writer who forwards (for a fee) to whoever. I did manage to figure out how to e-mail it to my friend (he talked me into designing and hosting his website http://www.absconnections.com). The output e-mail is one long text string. How do I make it human friendly? How do I also dump it into a database (on web server box)? Begin script quote

Please fill in as much information as possible.







Press repeat to add additional numbers.

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 20 15:27:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KJRSr3029430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:27:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4KJRS06029429 for slug-track29; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:27:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KJRRMO029425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:27:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KJRRJW006667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:27:27 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4KJREGV021547 for ; Sat, 20 May 2006 15:27:14 -0400 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.100.238.69]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZK00HF9WPCX5TB@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 20 May 2006 14:27:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 15:27:12 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] {Filename?} Web form In-reply-to: <200605201457.12097.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605201527.12514.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200605201457.12097.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.444, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Oops never considered attachments snagged by virus program. Haven't thought about viruses in a long time. Upon more research, I added a print button. If there is a way to modify the submit to "Print" the output to the body of an e-mail. will post those java scripts to http://www.absconnections.com/java.html Page with form is http://www.absconnections.com/pricequote.html Joe ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 21 23:50:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4M3oYrQ028433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4M3oYNY028432 for slug-track29; Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4M3oWMQ028423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4M3oVT4015977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:32 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4M3oNOO000516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:23 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fi1R0-0007th-EO; Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:22 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 72ACA56C1A; Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:20 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060522035020.72ACA56C1A@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:50:20 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.873, required 6, AWL -0.96, BAYES_05 -1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* DUNEDIN ************************************************** 27 May 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 11:43:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MFhxtk008659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MFhx6a008658 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MFhwaT008654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MFhw89000930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:58 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.198]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MFhiGw018790 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:44 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id x7so845557nzc for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ss/o68lUcb8IpmeVtGo5GUCNAsBSqSZ0Vu8RE/OtPoRdQvCmqhJh8T77Gycy9ocJoi20N6BuAHoTjViiTlag7wz1dDxEXGyIeZ7wTGcU3U6KHmrf6VIVymZzbG8V1ru6h5IojBsnFzj/O/NppBgg3NV8JOtZx5Pd8eICHCetrv0= Received: by 10.64.152.19 with SMTP id z19mr881829qbd; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.112.10 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 08:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4ce3ca360605220843k282ebbdbyb3e7446b9d2cc841@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:43:43 -0400 From: "Everett Attebury" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apple + Linux In-Reply-To: <200605171944.39195.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_138451_9688782.1148312623561" References: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> <200605171944.39195.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_138451_9688782.1148312623561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/17/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Wednesday 17 May 2006 20:28, michael hast wrote: > > Hey, everybody! > > > > Well, my wife has been wanting a Mac for some time now. Good grief= , > > those things are expensive! Well, I didn't want to spring for a new on= e > > and have her not like it or even be ho-hum about it, so I found her a > > nice, used G4 to play with. Of course, in this household, there will b= e > > some Linux time on that machine. It comes pre-loaded with OS 10.4 and = a > > bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any of that. I > > have an extra little hard drive that would work just fine for a > > Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can set up a dual-boot on it > > between the two hard drives without screwing anything up. > > Do any of you have experience in this area? What I have learned > > from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes to be on the first partitio= n > > on the first drive. I wonder if I could put the existing drive on the > > other connector on the ribbon cable, re-jumper it as slave, slap the > > other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it a day. That sounds > > like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth of > > software to me! Anyway, any insight would be welcomed and cherished. > > Thanks. > > Grub handles that easily. (Read the doc, it's pretty easy.) > > What you do is make the Linux box the first drive so that it can load gru= b > and > give you the dual boot choice. > > Then use the grub command to fool OSX to think it is the first drive. Jus= t > like you would with windows. > > This way you are not at all altering OSX and can dump linux later. > > This is one way of doing it: > > title Old2000Kernel > rootnoverify (hd1,0) > chainloader +1 > > When you install Linux you don't even need to have the OSX drive > connected. > Though some installers are good with recognizing aother OS's and > automatically add them to grub. > > If I'm not sure I just disable the other OS and do my Linux install. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > No, Michael said he bought a G4 Mac, and that would use yaboot as the bootloader, not grub. OS X can boot from firewire, so one solution would be to use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the OS X disk to a firewire disk, and then use the internal drive for Linux. OS X and Linux can live on the same hard drive. I've got an old G3 iMac that I've installed Ubuntu and Debian on. I bought an external firewire hard drive and used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the OS X drive, then re-formatted and partitioned the internal drive, then copied the OS X back. I remember it was all a bit of a pain, but I learned a lot about partitioning in the process. The Ubuntu install went smooth except for the X configuration, which took a bit of research to figure out. Later, I did a netinstall and replaced the Ubuntu with Debian so I could use some newer versions of a few apps. The newly released Suse 10.1 has install disks for PPC, and I think I will try that on the iMac next. I put it on my Compaq and it was the easiest install I've ever done, very slick. One thing to keep in mind is that Flash, RealPlayer, and Java aren't available for Linux on PPC. ------=_Part_138451_9688782.1148312623561 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 5/17/06, steve szmidt <steve@szmi= dt.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 17 May 2006 20:28, michael hast wrote:
> Hey, everybody!=
>
>     Well, my wife has been wanting a M= ac for some time now.  Good grief,
> those things are expen= sive!  Well, I didn't want to spring for a new one
> and have her not like it or even be ho-hum about it, so I found he= r a
> nice, used G4 to play with.  Of course, in this house= hold, there will be
> some Linux time on that machine.  It = comes pre-loaded with OS=20 10.4 and a
> bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any= of that.  I
> have an extra little hard drive that would w= ork just fine for a
> Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can s= et up a dual-boot on it
> between the two hard drives without screwing anything up.
>&= nbsp;    Do any of you have experience in this area? &n= bsp;What I have learned
> from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes= to be on the first partition
> on the first drive.  I wonder if I could put the existin= g drive on the
> other connector on the ribbon cable, re-jumper it as= slave, slap the
> other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it= a day.  That sounds
> like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth o= f
> software to me!  Anyway, any insight would be welcomed = and cherished.
> Thanks.

Grub handles that easily. (Read the d= oc, it's pretty easy.)

What you do is make the Linux box the first drive so that it can lo= ad grub and
give you the dual boot choice.

Then use the grub comm= and to fool OSX to think it is the first drive. Just
like you would with= windows.

This way you are not at all altering OSX and can dump linux later.<= br>
This is one way of doing it:

title Old2000Kernel
 &nb= sp;      rootnoverify (hd1,0)
  =       chainloader +1

When you install = Linux you don't even need to have the OSX drive connected.
Though some installers are good with recognizing aother OS's and
aut= omatically add them to grub.

If I'm not sure I just disable the othe= r OS and do my Linux install.

--

Steve Szmidt



No, Michael said he bought a G4 Mac, and that would use y= aboot as the bootloader, not grub. 


OS X can boot from fir= ewire, so one solution would be to use Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the OS X disk to a firewire disk, and then use the internal drive for Linux.

OS X and Linux can live on the same hard drive.  I'= ve got an old G3 iMac that I've installed Ubuntu and Debian on.  I bou= ght an external firewire hard drive and used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the= OS X drive, then re-formatted and partitioned the internal drive, then cop= ied the OS X back.  I remember it was all a bit of a pain, but I learn= ed a lot about partitioning in the process. =20

The Ubuntu install went smooth except for the X configuration, whic= h took a bit of research to figure out.  Later, I did a netinstall and= replaced the Ubuntu with Debian so I could use some newer versions of a fe= w apps.

The newly released Suse 10.1 has install disks for PPC, and I think= I will try that on the iMac next.  I put it on my Compaq and it was t= he easiest install I've ever done, very slick.

One thing to keep in = mind is that Flash, RealPlayer, and Java aren't available for Linux on PPC.
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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 12:09:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MG9Jb9008982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:09:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MG9JwW008981 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:09:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MG9Ihx008977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:09:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MG9IYJ003317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:09:18 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MG8uDI022511 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:08:57 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so1218762wra for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rxtTH8sxaFcTLIhwbA5zH8FYpxr9n8dIIE2d6UMkHC4w7qxn8nL5UlThXeTKZZenSBvuUUGKCOU/OmrRixPy1j4+ICnOL0XJA4726j+C8dRuf/JABOydFkOPvL5FayIqGY1cW+1KgcXG8wPLQ6IyVs+v6zOggk4LAZHeFhiok3E= Received: by 10.54.128.11 with SMTP id a11mr4050469wrd; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605220908l5d216308ya228a5f4935e53ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:08:56 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.919, required 6, AWL 0.08, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MG9Ihw008978 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Anyone know how to pull off just the closing credit theme from a movie > on DVD. I own the DVD, and I just want to turn the closing credits theme > into an mp3 or ogg or something. I don't know anything about how DVDs > are structured, or what's in the files. The following are the contents > of the disk: Looks like I caught up to this one a little late. If you know what chapter or time position this starts, you can do it easily with mplayer: (chapter) `mplayer -vo null -vc null -ao pcm:file=credits.wav -chapter 33 dvd://1` (position) `mplayer -vo null -vc null -ao pcm:file=credits.wav -ss 5400 dvd://1` ...which gives you credits.wav. You can then convert this to your favorite format using your favorite format converter (sox, oggenc, lame, ...) F.ex. `sox credits.wav credits.ogg` -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 12:14:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGEHnQ009035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:14:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MGEHTi009034 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:14:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGEGG7009030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:14:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGEGeo003527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:14:16 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.233]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGDtxa026793 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:13:55 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so1135674wra for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:13:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YZEq7RyUldOMkbZYkVjuHUtfOR8cLCsi65XTDYh0Iz8OUUb6A+aWSBDFvZfmlGtUNzD5miMFWJfoOt9fXnHK8tvRTYnMkqv/31QlQ4vU+1E+/1671N2216wzDtXS0UMhCWQCStN1vw5BuG45KqCE1XZPkvficPOecDIHVVLPNK8= Received: by 10.54.97.15 with SMTP id u15mr3551221wrb; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605220913w18976997g128aca5538d882e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:13:54 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] All that's old is new again In-Reply-To: <446AA269.10500@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060516023247.GA16508@frey> <31f129860605160832t53c4618cv8522bfc183a67144@mail.gmail.com> <20060516174852.GA23807@frey> <446A90D6.4010505@quillandmouse.com> <446AA269.10500@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.193, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.45, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MGEGG6009031 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I usually jump in with both feet at the same time. Never one leg at a time! I prop mine up at the base of a tree and jump into them from the branches. ;-) -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 12:18:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGIUEl009369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:18:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MGIUvf009368 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:18:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGITAt009364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:18:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGITjB003947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:18:29 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGILKS003219 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:18:21 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so1188846wri for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:18:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h9P0fVPz9Dn8KdOCiHGjopxDqWeYwt4cYsuM8GLoB+K6za/81HKFGAdsWexZ8dCGT0eQyj+0r6xDpgCh3QVoOqr7ZUs9Q35quQ2wK1ogBivXtv1jBrwfljeI1znG/jlJFYI93v0/eW44MDwYmuu/7or9lE5nqdlqi0yER7VjL10= Received: by 10.54.160.15 with SMTP id i15mr2063655wre; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605220918h25bf045id759f80e9c0f6244@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:18:21 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Free (almost) In-Reply-To: <446AB65B.30603@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <446A1C7D.4080609@ij.net> <446AB65B.30603@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.702, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.52, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MGITAs009365 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > God bless you and please stay in touch. Try not to freeze to death or > get eaten by a bear. Maybe even stay on the list? The list should work > anywhere, I think? It seems to be working in Texas. :-) -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 12:21:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGL2tj009534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:21:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MGL2uG009533 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:21:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGL2PV009529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:21:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGL1ue004288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:21:01 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGKlDR025345 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:20:48 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so1137095wra for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:20:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lwH6xzJoVZMyLVwtS9RgU9xPv+Bs9NoR/3bMpz4Gi1nwMXVUjZLpps5yYY83dXws5AP3lJmLRzYUCaRMm9bm+vSLIoqlfzg9dfHXvjmoXyeId87mOOPMjOaAaBRJdQbnqTVia5v77HanVFDo2MfYVtYadXW9ysU1fchfHvc0lxM= Received: by 10.54.105.17 with SMTP id d17mr4011656wrc; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605220920j649375bfsea1fac4b9a5cde43@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:20:46 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Protecting linux against loss of power In-Reply-To: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <0IZD000UMHDSRDH2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.43, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.17, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MGL2PU009530 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have a customer who runs an application on Linux. Despite my repeated > admonitions not to do so, they just turn off the machine without doing a > proper shutdown. This has caused some issues for me and for them. Is there > any way to "harden" Linux against this sort of behavior? Something that will > prevent loss of data? Anything? Thanks. Make sure they're not using reiserfs or xfs. I recommend ext3. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 12:30:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGUdZW009637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:30:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MGUdcI009636 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:30:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGUdmU009632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:30:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGUca7004940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:30:39 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGUJ7q023904 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:30:19 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i23so1138874wra for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:30:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OvQUN1cSjvXoCuUO05P7N5sytqysMz/u0Q8zQSm9ivTGMiSoioWtIzzT+Km5dbvRzTVggZAFk3l7QAMgjkbkQPvZ4AyYiTRAOR18qCh2239+T3GY04ZyNI+OYM0Qi4j43fx7qs7+R+0Hfv2wcGKGMcreJKSWkzRtxF+zEkGDa2E= Received: by 10.54.97.5 with SMTP id u5mr4023054wrb; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605220930t2373e528o6b918d2391e5dd13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:30:14 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <446CE962.30307@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <446CE962.30307@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.291, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.31, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MGUdmT009633 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Please tell me you're not encouraging piracy on this list. Whatever you think of it, p2p can often be the only way to acquire rare content in an acceptable format. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 12:41:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGfmve009718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:41:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MGfmI7009717 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:41:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGfmNH009713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:41:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGflC4005783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:41:48 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MGfTxG029540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 12:41:30 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 22 May 2006 10:41:28 -0600 Message-Id: <4471B16B.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Beta Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:41:15 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apple + Linux References: <446BBFBE.1060704@cox.net> <200605171944.39195.steve@szmidt.org> <4ce3ca360605220843k282ebbdbyb3e7446b9d2cc841@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ce3ca360605220843k282ebbdbyb3e7446b9d2cc841@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.347, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.35, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 11:43 AM, in message <4ce3ca360605220843k282ebbdbyb3e7446b9d2cc841@mail.gmail.com>, "Everett Attebury" wrote: > On 5/17/06, steve szmidt wrote: >> >> On Wednesday 17 May 2006 20:28, michael hast wrote: >> > Hey, everybody! >> > >> > Well, my wife has been wanting a Mac for some time now. Good grief, >> > those things are expensive! Well, I didn't want to spring for a new one >> > and have her not like it or even be ho- hum about it, so I found her a >> > nice, used G4 to play with. Of course, in this household, there will be >> > some Linux time on that machine. It comes pre- loaded with OS 10.4 and a >> > bunch of Adobe software, but there are no disks with any of that. I >> > have an extra little hard drive that would work just fine for a >> > Yellowdog install, but I'm wondering if I can set up a dual- boot on it >> > between the two hard drives without screwing anything up. >> > Do any of you have experience in this area? What I have learned >> > from in my Googling is that Yellowdog likes to be on the first partition >> > on the first drive. I wonder if I could put the existing drive on the >> > other connector on the ribbon cable, re- jumper it as slave, slap the >> > other hard drive in, install YDL to it and call it a day. That sounds >> > like a really good way to wipe out several hundred dollars worth of >> > software to me! Anyway, any insight would be welcomed and cherished. >> > Thanks. >> >> Grub handles that easily. (Read the doc, it's pretty easy.) >> >> What you do is make the Linux box the first drive so that it can load grub >> and >> give you the dual boot choice. >> >> Then use the grub command to fool OSX to think it is the first drive. Just >> like you would with windows. >> >> This way you are not at all altering OSX and can dump linux later. >> >> This is one way of doing it: >> >> title Old2000Kernel >> rootnoverify (hd1,0) >> chainloader +1 >> >> When you install Linux you don't even need to have the OSX drive >> connected. >> Though some installers are good with recognizing aother OS's and >> automatically add them to grub. >> >> If I'm not sure I just disable the other OS and do my Linux install. >> >> -- >> >> Steve Szmidt >> > > > > No, Michael said he bought a G4 Mac, and that would use yaboot as the > bootloader, not grub. > > > OS X can boot from firewire, so one solution would be to use Carbon Copy > Cloner to copy the OS X disk to a firewire disk, and then use the internal > drive for Linux. > > OS X and Linux can live on the same hard drive. I've got an old G3 iMac > that I've installed Ubuntu and Debian on. I bought an external firewire > hard drive and used Carbon Copy Cloner to copy the OS X drive, then > re- formatted and partitioned the internal drive, then copied the OS X back. > I remember it was all a bit of a pain, but I learned a lot about > partitioning in the process. > > The Ubuntu install went smooth except for the X configuration, which took a > bit of research to figure out. Later, I did a netinstall and replaced the > Ubuntu with Debian so I could use some newer versions of a few apps. > > The newly released Suse 10.1 has install disks for PPC, and I think I will > try that on the iMac next. I put it on my Compaq and it was the easiest > install I've ever done, very slick. > > One thing to keep in mind is that Flash, RealPlayer, and Java aren't > available for Linux on PPC. Java by Blackdown (http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/) is available for PPC as is IBM's java. Not sure about running on the Apple specific PPC...I'll claim ignorance there. Can't speak for Flash or Real. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 13:55:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MHtwb6011165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MHtwZu011164 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MHtvJL011160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MHtuSA010920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:57 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MHteUo000524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:41 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiEcw-0001N8-VY for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:35 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiEce-0005GW-SK for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:33 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 277641DBD; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:55:21 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Message-ID: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Fri May 19 13:36:31 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 13:36:31 up 1 day, 3:47, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.12, 0.09 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: 47a65f1bcf33aecc530dd35d871363bb X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.293, required 6, AWL -0.89, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This has been floating around today, so I figured I'd post it here too... It's some more details on AT&T and the NSA's hanky-panky. http://jaduncan.net/mark-kleins-att-statement-in-the-eff-case -- Yubimusubi's Zen Koan: 23:52 Alright, so ... if you're riding down the street on a jetski, when the wheel pops off and the door flies open, and all the water comes out, then how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse? 23:52 How many? 23:52 Purple, because ice cream has no bones. - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 14:00:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MI0LHq011277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:00:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MI0KnX011276 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:00:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MI0K9w011272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:00:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MI0C8M011145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:00:20 -0400 Received: from TMPMX1.timeinc.com (tmpmx1.timeinc.com [64.236.226.17]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MHxwLV005331 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:59:58 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:59:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Thread-Index: AcZ9yRyrtmJfwg7PQNCMXvjIBqcc9AAACs1Q From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2006 17:59:57.0580 (UTC) FILETIME=[89860CC0:01C67DC9] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.562, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MI0K9v011273 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Dylan, The RED hurts my eyes. bc -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Dylan William Hardison Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:55 PM To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case This has been floating around today, so I figured I'd post it here too... It's some more details on AT&T and the NSA's hanky-panky. http://jaduncan.net/mark-kleins-att-statement-in-the-eff-case -- Yubimusubi's Zen Koan: 23:52 Alright, so ... if you're riding down the street on a jetski, when the wheel pops off and the door flies open, and all the water comes out, then how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse? 23:52 How many? 23:52 Purple, because ice cream has no bones. - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 14:04:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MI4w7e011310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MI4wUi011309 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MI4vZU011305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MI4vR6011512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:57 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MI4jD7001515 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:46 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so1425861uge for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:04:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZYehYxWERsa7jaHsqQW+7GBxyiUQXjc/VLjIikrCIkc/lrxc7ADENiKGHrQ14pJa9TnF6dpw/2fIGjJnN63S1ApRaUDtYXQUNgDgsqhEeBga+qd+7OfuPIeLdmSzhTYgnl0ARZ/8xXM5tVxTewVN2i7KhLtdlzhFF82YU4puqMM= Received: by 10.78.31.18 with SMTP id e18mr1175550hue; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:04:44 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.428, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.69, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Yubimusubi's Zen Koan: > 23:52 Alright, so ... if you're riding down the street on a jetski, when th wheel pops off and the door flies open, and all the water comes out, then how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse? > 23:52 How many? > 23:52 Purple, because ice cream has no bones. may i be the first to ask waht the hell does that mean? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 14:15:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIFQKg011452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MIFQO7011451 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIFPs5011447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIFPL7012362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:15:25 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIEwFa002011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:14:58 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiEvd-0001NT-87 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:14:53 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiEvN-0005Hs-9P for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:14:51 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9724B1DBD; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:14:41 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Message-ID: <20060522181441.GA9309@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Fri May 19 14:13:30 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 14:13:30 up 1 day, 4:24, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.07 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: e9d641d9948f671d57e3975170a5d67f X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.965, required 6, AWL 0.03, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake bill.crupi@custserv.com on Monday, May 22, 2006 at 01:59PM -0400: > Hey Dylan, > The RED hurts my eyes. > bc What red? -- "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." -- Confucius - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 14:24:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIOlDn011920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MIOli9011919 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIOlFX011915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIOk66013204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:47 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIOb1D030628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:38 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiF52-0001Nc-UR for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:37 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiF4e-0005IM-8N for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:26 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 937861DBD; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:24:16 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Message-ID: <20060522182416.GB9309@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Fri May 19 14:13:30 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 14:13:30 up 1 day, 4:24, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.07 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: 762f49ae031766c142b493512f46a79c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.631, required 6, AWL -1.23, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake chris lee on Monday, May 22, 2006 at 02:04PM -0400: > >Yubimusubi's Zen Koan: > > 23:52 Alright, so ... if you're riding down the street on a > > jetski, when th wheel pops off and the door flies open, and all the > > water comes out, then how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse? > > 23:52 How many? > > 23:52 Purple, because ice cream has no bones. None of us are enlightened enough to understand the true meaning, or the meaning of this: 13:01 gah... gethostbyname("127.0.0.1") returns 127.0.0.124 13:03 thats ok so long as you can still add 2 and 2 to get 5 13:07 then my program will only work on wednesdays! -- "I remember when, granpaw use to say, 'Grandson, these be the good old days." -- David "Ziggy" Marley, "Good Old Days" (song) - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 14:36:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIajTx011991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:36:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MIajC8011990 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:36:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIajfc011986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:36:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIaj4G013945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:36:45 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIaS9r009307 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:36:29 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so1435856uge for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SgUH4aGUaEkFzG04EKtg1MstUe+FA2jxy82jZllcjGbbiRhvlrMGL3vLKAEmU0MmguspVmQeR3A3lDUTXnsoTbJmPuE7Ce/TtLZB8w6yTL0f2DwDllqTDwAIFcCKSunvaZy5+JDf//mxw+rSpW+HYgkX4TDaRhQzgoUFWclxI/g= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr1190324hum; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:36:27 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case In-Reply-To: <20060522182416.GB9309@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060522182416.GB9309@frey> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.081, required 6, AWL -0.68, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net the aristocrats. or is this a shaggy dog story? On 5/22/06, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake chris lee on Monday, May 22, 2006 at 02:04PM -0400: > > >Yubimusubi's Zen Koan: > > > 23:52 Alright, so ... if you're riding down the street on a > > > jetski, when th wheel pops off and the door flies open, and all the > > > water comes out, then how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse? > > > 23:52 How many? > > > 23:52 Purple, because ice cream has no bones. > > None of us are enlightened enough to understand the true meaning, or the > meaning of this: > > 13:01 gah... gethostbyname("127.0.0.1") returns 127.0.0.124 > 13:03 thats ok so long as you can still add 2 and 2 to get 5 > 13:07 then my program will only work on wednesdays! > > -- > "I remember when, granpaw use to say, 'Grandson, these be the good > old days." > -- David "Ziggy" Marley, "Good Old Days" (song) > - > GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 14:41:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIf2rn012042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MIf2Ev012037 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIf0eG012033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIf0FA014184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:00 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIef9v011785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:42 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiFKa-0001O4-M7 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:41 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiFKL-0005JN-0n for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:39 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E66E1DBD; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:29 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Message-ID: <20060522184028.GA9432@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20060522182416.GB9309@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Fri May 19 14:30:38 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 14:30:38 up 1 day, 4:42, 2 users, load average: 0.05, 0.05, 0.04 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: e9d641d9948f671d57e3975170a5d67f X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake chris lee on Monday, May 22, 2006 at 02:36PM -0400: > the aristocrats. Apricots and peaces. > or is this a shaggy dog story? It's a quote from #slug.fl. Perhaps yubi stole it from something. -- A formal parsing algorithm should not always be used. -- D. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 14:58:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIwV8n012308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:58:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MIwVLQ012307 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:58:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIwUaX012303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:58:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIwU1P015315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:58:30 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MIwEne008375 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:58:15 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MIwDqm019414 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: X-GetARealMailreader: > Yubimusubi's Zen Koan: >> 23:52 Alright, so ... if you're riding down the street on a >> jetski, when th wheel pops off and the door flies open, and all the water >> comes out, then how many pancakes does it take to cover a doghouse? >> 23:52 How many? >> 23:52 Purple, because ice cream has no bones. > > > may i be the first to ask > > waht the hell does that mean? "Non sequiturs ya us" or "your surreality for the day". -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 15:01:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MJ13wh012405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:01:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MJ13nx012404 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:01:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MJ12nU012400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:01:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MJ1253015648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:01:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MJ0Q7Q013563 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:26 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MJ0P4L008343 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605220908l5d216308ya228a5f4935e53ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <1a3a3e310605220908l5d216308ya228a5f4935e53ad@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > Anyone know how to pull off just the closing credit theme from a movie >> on DVD. I own the DVD, and I just want to turn the closing credits theme >> into an mp3 or ogg or something. I don't know anything about how DVDs >> are structured, or what's in the files. The following are the contents >> of the disk: > > Looks like I caught up to this one a little late. > > If you know what chapter or time position this starts, you can do it > easily with mplayer: > (chapter) `mplayer -vo null -vc null -ao pcm:file=credits.wav -chapter > 33 dvd://1` > (position) `mplayer -vo null -vc null -ao pcm:file=credits.wav -ss 5400 > dvd://1` > > ...which gives you credits.wav. You can then convert this to your > favorite format using your favorite format converter (sox, oggenc, > lame, ...) > F.ex. `sox credits.wav credits.ogg` Yeah. No need for additional D->A->D steps, and associated losses and distortions. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar CANCER: The position of Jupiter says that you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 16:42:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKglOu014103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MKglaF014102 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKgk0w014098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKgkUb022183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:46 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKgSLr018810 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:42:29 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so1243966wri for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:42:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FWvPFR2ZWOeW6KInFl5GLiBBkheR9VNrtAfYhfh3nenA1Ml0VqRabqzPMWTsQSv/KOv1FqRMDYYqHA6fQidwi83/vdvC61dkHWKZoW1fWt2m1jqpPMNZE6FjNLLfpNeh/x1whmLpSQPkBpcpGTFJreS9juGWLtOP5iqCthsgKl0= Received: by 10.54.93.16 with SMTP id q16mr1514563wrb; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 13:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605221342o3f02bb48n262534a7d789a2ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:42:27 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case In-Reply-To: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.443, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.16, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MKgl0v014099 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > http://jaduncan.net/mark-kleins-att-statement-in-the-eff-case "As the director of the effort, Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter, ..." I refuse to believe that there is an actual person named John M. Poindexter in the bowels of our government. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 16:53:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKrwQM014251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MKrvOR014250 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKrvn6014246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKrvuj022888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:57 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MKrhPf019743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:44 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-166-169.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.166.169] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FiHPL-0001oS-6R for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:43 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2DA56C19 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447224D4.3020005@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:53:40 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Another Stupid Permissions Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.483, required 6, AWL -0.86, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB 1.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Scenario: a directory on the server has ownership as: paulf:www-data. Directory permissions have been changed to g+w. (Don't recall, but I think they were 755 to begin with. A couple of questions: 1) Is there any way to force the files in that directory to have group ownership of www-data, so www-data can write to them, etc.? 2) File created in this directory have permissions of 644. Is there any way to get them to be created with group write permissions, without altering the mask for all the files on the drive? (I'm trying to do all this without setting permissions on everything to 777.) -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 17:08:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ML8fcE014430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ML8fma014429 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ML8ebI014425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ML8eGQ023937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:40 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ML8QGl019786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:27 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4ML2mtd030575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:02:49 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FiHdY-0006FP-Ea for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:24 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55686.216.134.200.78.1148332104.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <447224D4.3020005@quillandmouse.com> References: <447224D4.3020005@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Another Stupid Permissions Question From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Mon, 22 May 2006 14:02:49 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.235, required 6, AWL -0.24, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Scenario: a directory on the server has ownership as: paulf:www-data. > Directory permissions have been changed to g+w. (Don't recall, but I > think they were 755 to begin with. A couple of questions: > > 1) Is there any way to force the files in that directory to have group > ownership of www-data, so www-data can write to them, etc.? Sure, chmod g+sw /path/to/base/dir setgid will ensure any directories or files created have the GID of the parent. > 2) File created in this directory have permissions of 644. Is there any > way to get them to be created with group write permissions, without > altering the mask for all the files on the drive? I'd be curious about this myself. Short of ACLs I don't know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 17:41:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MLfrca015105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:41:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MLfrT5015104 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:41:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MLfrc1015100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:41:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MLfqqV026041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:41:52 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.196]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MLfaa7004635 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 17:41:36 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so833447hug for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bvP0E5dWzcEkVd3/QdgXg6B2jEYT4LVNnxn0KIPl+uptsqEbrHpDYCS2WBSF9YQm+uhJmi3z/dc8jmFpHE/k3K0xj7fu6Mq9kYHh1S7zGLnG2Pse1zGcldHoYKaFVHzm/kPQ6UGbu5r0dNrW9qzmr8Dq+wxIeg5QgCOi2/M38Bk= Received: by 10.49.87.3 with SMTP id p3mr4164187nfl; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.199.17 with HTTP; Mon, 22 May 2006 14:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605221441j40b23e42g71f7e35c70f9d76a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:41:34 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310605221342o3f02bb48n262534a7d789a2ba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> <1a3a3e310605221342o3f02bb48n262534a7d789a2ba@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.601, required 6, AWL 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MLfrc0015101 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/22/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > http://jaduncan.net/mark-kleins-att-statement-in-the-eff-case > > "As the director of the effort, Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter, ..." > > I refuse to believe that there is an actual person named John M. > Poindexter in the bowels of our government. > Do a google on him and you will see what he does (same line of work looks like) I still do not understand what all of the bruhaha is, Echellon was even more instrusive along with the FBI's carnivor and no one made any real noise about it, I understand privacy but I also understand that the people we are trying to beat will use every method available to them to defeat us, and if you think that they will not try it you are off in the ozone. I at times find my self at odds with all of this but then all I have to remember is the sight of those poor people jumping out of the towers and that most of them were fellow citizens of this country and because we had got lax we got caught with our pants down, and they died for it. I still do not think many people in this country understand the real concept of these people, indeed that is what the whole issue of Russia vs Chechnia is, they only understand one thing, kill or be killed that is the bottom line. Until you have had to look that reality in the face (it ain't pretty I can tell you for sure) you will not under- stand it. I do not want to go into this anymore but I sort of get tired of 5th column activities, I am no happier about this than anyone else, I think that if they were going into Iraq they should have done it with real power but they woosed out and tried to go in politically correct, there is no such thing as politically correct war, if you declare it you go in and finish it or they finish you. Sadly to say we are remote to it, but they day the set of a nasty device in one of our harbours or large cities, the buzzards will come home to roost and they will then be asking why we did not do more. Just remember a small nuclear device in manhatten will make it inhospitable for quite some time. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 19:01:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MN1TQB016345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4MN1TGw016344 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MN1TE7016340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MN1SFt031627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:29 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4MN1BJR031079 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (6532233hfc181.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.233.181]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MN19bZ025111 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mario Lombardo To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:01:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605221901.08333.mario@alienscience.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.143, required 6, AWL -1.46, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4MN1TE6016341 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 13 May 2006 00:26, Paul M Foster wrote: > Anyone know how to pull off just the closing credit theme from a movie > on DVD. I own the DVD, and I just want to turn the closing credits theme > into an mp3 or ogg or something. I don't know anything about how DVDs > are structured, or what's in the files. The following are the contents > of the disk: > > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 2004-10-15 19:21 jacket_p > dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 2048 2004-12-08 20:18 video_ts > > ./jacket_p: > total 112 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 88064 2004-10-15 19:21 j00___5l.mp2 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 18432 2004-10-15 19:21 j00___5m.mp2 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 8192 2004-10-15 19:21 j00___5s.mp2 > > ./video_ts: > total 4108096 > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 10240 2004-12-08 20:18 video_ts.bup > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 10240 2004-12-08 20:18 video_ts.ifo > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 75776 2004-12-08 20:09 vts_01_0.bup > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 75776 2004-12-08 20:09 vts_01_0.ifo > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 3328000 2004-12-08 20:09 vts_01_0.vob > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1073739776 2004-12-08 20:10 vts_01_1.vob > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1073739776 2004-12-08 20:11 vts_01_2.vob > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 1073739776 2004-12-08 20:13 vts_01_3.vob > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root root 981970944 2004-12-08 20:14 vts_01_4.vob I haven't been able to pull POP3 mail lately (popfile is broken). I think this thread might be dead, but I found this and thought it was neat. I hope this gives you the most direct digital method of extraction and best quality. >From http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/dvd-extracting.php example mplayer -vo xv -aid 128 -ao pcm -alang en -aofile desperado.wav -dvd 1 -chapter 2 bladeenc -128 -quit desperado.wav desperado.mp3 /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 21:28:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N1SV1g017513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:28:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4N1SV53017512 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:28:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N1SVEb017508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:28:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N1SVwb008779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:28:31 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao03.cox.net (centrmmtao03.cox.net [70.168.83.81]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N1SLlL009461 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:28:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060523012819.BAFC27431.centrmmtao03.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:28:19 -0400 Message-ID: <44727439.40005@cox.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:32:25 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case References: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> In-Reply-To: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > This has been floating around today, so I figured I'd post it here > too... It's some more details on AT&T and the NSA's hanky-panky. > > http://jaduncan.net/mark-kleins-att-statement-in-the-eff-case > > I think that we can all agree that there is some screwy stuff going on in our government and indeed, the other powers that be here. However, I think we can also agree that this is the best government that the world currently has to offer. I don't like the idea of anyone poking into my privacy, but the fact of the matter is, I have nothing to hide. If there is a terrorist on my block, blogging about it, I hope they get him. If this expedites apprehension of truly evil people, I might be able to compramise. The fact of the matter is, this does not necessarily mean anything. If you are taking a stroll in a park, and start talking a drug deal with someone, and an off-duty cop overhears, he will call backup. Moral of the story: Know where your privacy exists or keep your nose clean. It's that simple. For fear of getting too political, this is where I terminate my post this time around. I have lots to say, as always, but I won't disturb you with it. (they might be listening! Ooooooo!) --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 22:09:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N29owX017813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4N29o0L017812 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N29n1Q017808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N29nQ4011409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:49 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N29QLQ028942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:26 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiMKr-0001UC-6d for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:25 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FiMKY-0005bi-29 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:23 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 96A831DF1; Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:09:11 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Message-ID: <20060523020911.GA5669@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> <44727439.40005@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44727439.40005@cox.net> Reply-By: Fri May 19 22:02:21 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 22:02:21 up 3:08, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: 44151f7e6acfd35c30a135e45fa171b2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.256, required 6, AWL -0.34, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake michael hast on Monday, May 22, 2006 at 09:32PM -0500: > Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >This has been floating around today, so I figured I'd post it here > >too... It's some more details on AT&T and the NSA's hanky-panky. > > > >http://jaduncan.net/mark-kleins-att-statement-in-the-eff-case > > > > > I think that we can all agree that there is some screwy stuff going > on in our government and indeed, the other powers that be here. > However, I think we can also agree that this is the best government that > the world currently has to offer. I don't like the idea of anyone > poking into my privacy, but the fact of the matter is, I have nothing to > hide. If there is a terrorist on my block, blogging about it, I hope > they get him. If this expedites apprehension of truly evil people, I > might be able to compramise. -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) hQEMA+la03e84/P1AQf+OuZ+ekb3x7rmkOfyZhreMX9ovE57KYhpzKef7SpCmAJr Ts5QtD/2OTWqlDMe+unk7mwBHizuBqoHCE7N2PpDEFmK1yoH5yPG/3mS2NBLhOa5 3OAfwvNL1iwvdSfuBWk8h/CEk+4ui7034A+XWh2g0H7zyajsc/9/OSUKfX/EvWjp 9BjVOlN9mZmDQEZ5u3SzbYarQNkikRqREp0sYlDoKkVnH0LBVKdCmOPnpuDZfNu1 RbfzA4b7HoGeHPswA7to5n4nnrkJvcP5iyFBBgiTLC/aWt+DIQVP0vi965nEZUI1 0svjRIn+yUOclwYe/wi6LqzQYsPDi5JlyquP3x0+gtJwAeOfBZtv+nUsuMMEal+A 3poAHS+yjktNhFFyCeLgy1gVluHElWEOjRwzfiXRfABHH2lqzfZQTRInkStL1FyE yEe/lOdXGPGwoNL3luEoMMfq4ygqoTQ1+uie7W4qpqpIFBL23Jh43TfWOrrwjGtG fw== =gUFP -----END PGP MESSAGE----- -- "Saturday in the morning, and the rain keep falling. Brother didn't get no sleep, now he's really feeling beat. But there is no time to waste, as the devil test his faith. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 22 23:39:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N3d4mO018518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:39:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4N3d4vB018517 for slug-track29; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:39:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N3d3JX018513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:39:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N3d38v016938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:39:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4N3coDd029745 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:38:50 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k4N3cn7S000598 for ; Mon, 22 May 2006 23:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <063b01c67e1a$67508ee0$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Bob Foxworth" To: References: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> <1a3a3e310605221342o3f02bb48n262534a7d789a2ba@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605221441j40b23e42g71f7e35c70f9d76a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 23:38:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.117, required 6, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.84, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > "As the director of the effort, Vice Adm. John M. Poindexter, ..." > > > > I refuse to believe that there is an actual person named John M. > > Poindexter in the bowels of our government. Poindexter has been around for a while. He is the type of fellow whose name typically pops up around page 17 of the New York Times. Since most people today think they are fully educated by listening to CNN for 12 minutes/day, they are unlikely to recognize names of this category. Poindexter tried to get Total Information Awareness off the ground, but in a relatively public setting. Does anyone here remember that? It was only a few years ago. They'll probably have more luck keeping it quiet. Ideas such as TIA rarely disappear, they are just reincarnated in some other manner. > I still do not understand what all of the bruhaha is, Echellon was even > more instrusive along with the FBI's carnivor and no one made any > real noise about it, I understand privacy but I also understand that > the people we are trying to beat will use every method available to > them to defeat us, and if you think that they will not try it you are off Echelon variants have been around for decades. Carnivore, since renamed DCS1000 is somewhat newer. These things actually DO all the things that the NSA "wiretaps" are accused of, and have been doing it for some time now. The press won't even mention Echelon. I can't understand why. (actually, I _do_) Echelon is a joint enterprise between NSA, GCHQ in England and the Aust/NZ agencies for info gathering and sharing. The sites at Sugar Grove (WV) and Menwith Hill (UK) are supposed to have dishes to download all sorts of signals intel relayed from orbiting satellites. These sites have been around for a long time. I think Pine Gap is the name of the site in Northern Territory, Aus. which participates. I first heard of this site around 1970, from a MIT student I knew who had access to all the FBIS radio logs. and kept asking me what _I_ knew about it (which of course was nil). Get hold of the James Bamford books on NSA. There was no brouhaha about these earlier projects because the Clinton administration heavily promoted them* and of course in the eyes of the press, Clinton could do little wrong. Today Bush can do no right. *who knew? If you think about it, the idea of massive wiretapping (listening to call content in real-time) is ludicrous. There are not nearly enough people, let alone those with TS clearance, to do this type of work. Think of "grep" and "string search" (imagine a typical newspaper reporter trying to understand those concepts) on digitized content. The actual wiretapping is response to previously uncovered intel, and is a minute proportion of all pstn call content. That's my take on it. Feel free to disagree. Perhaps Amy Goodman has some different answers, as well. > in the ozone. I at times find my self at odds with all of this but then > all I have to remember is the sight of those poor people jumping out > of the towers and that most of them were fellow citizens of this country > and because we had got lax we got caught with our pants down, > and they died for it. We _will_ forget history, and are thus doomed to repeat it (or have it repeated for us) > I still do not think many people in this country understand the real > concept of these people, indeed that is what the whole issue of > Russia vs Chechnia is, they only understand one thing, kill or be > killed that is the bottom line. Until you have had to look that reality > in the face (it ain't pretty I can tell you for sure) you will not under- > stand it. Islam has two world views, dar al-Harb* (world of warfare) and dar al-islam (world of islam. the believers) and it is the duty of the believers to either assimilate or overcome the unbeliever. Even today, few in the west understand the passion and conviction that drives this view, nor of the concept of patience and of waiting for opportunities to bring this about.. *(Harb is capitalized solely to differentiate the soft and emphatic "H" form, and not of any sign of respect or importance) They have interesting concepts that are foreign to us as well, such as "taqiyya" (religious deception) (it is okay to lie about a context in order to promote your own view) and this began with the Treaty of Hudaibiyah, which was an awfully long time ago. > Sadly to say we are remote to it, but they day the set of a nasty device > in one of our harbours or large cities, the buzzards will come home to > roost and they will then be asking why we did not do more. Just remember > a small nuclear device in manhatten will make it inhospitable for quite > some time. > > -- > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- We see that now. We can't now listen to inbound calls from suspected cells overseas, yet we are accused of "not connecting the dots" a few years ago. Okay, back to linux. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 08:54:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NCsVT9022950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:54:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NCsV1h022949 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:54:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NCsUR6022945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:54:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NCsUCC000303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:54:30 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NCsIFk028337 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:54:18 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 23 May 2006 06:54:13 -0600 Message-Id: <4472CCDB.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 06:50:35 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case References: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> <44727439.40005@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <44727439.40005@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 10:32 PM, in message <44727439.40005@cox.net>, michael hast wrote: > Dylan William Hardison wrote: >> This has been floating around today, so I figured I'd post it here >> too... It's some more details on AT&T and the NSA's hanky- panky. >> >> http://jaduncan.net/mark- kleins- att- statement- in- the- eff- case >> >> > I think that we can all agree that there is some screwy stuff going > on in our government and indeed, the other powers that be here. > However, I think we can also agree that this is the best government that > the world currently has to offer. I don't like the idea of anyone > poking into my privacy, but the fact of the matter is, I have nothing to > hide. If there is a terrorist on my block, blogging about it, I hope > they get him. If this expedites apprehension of truly evil people, I > might be able to compramise. The fact of the matter is, this does not > necessarily mean anything. If you are taking a stroll in a park, and > start talking a drug deal with someone, and an off- duty cop overhears, > he will call backup. Moral of the story: Know where your privacy > exists or keep your nose clean. It's that simple. > For fear of getting too political, this is where I terminate my post > this time around. I have lots to say, as always, but I won't disturb > you with it. (they might be listening! Ooooooo!) > Privacy is a misunderstood word. Intelligence gathering is a big business. Every company that wants to sell you something has a "intelligence" program...they call it loyalty programs or discount cards, but in reality they are gathering intelligence on you. There is no way around it and it has nothing to do with terrorism. It has everything to do with greed. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 11:11:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFBvq5024025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NFBvPm024024 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFBu8n024020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFBuBc010392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11:56 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFBb3N028283 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11:37 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFBawZ006588 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:11:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] DMA off? Message-ID: X-GetARealMailreader: /dev/hdb . Lately I've been finding DMA off at the conclusion of this copy. From last night (this morning) in /var/log/messages: May 23 06:08:20 pc kernel: hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA timeout error May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hda: DMA disabled May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA disabled May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide0: reset: success Is it time to replace that drive? -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 11:22:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFMBrn024177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:22:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NFMBGf024176 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:22:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFMBEh024172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:22:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFMBQu010988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:22:11 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFLlJj014670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:21:48 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4NFG8PD030077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:16:09 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FiYhd-0004ON-I5 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:21:45 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.408, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.19, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > I have two (identical) hard drives. Every night, I have a cron job that > cats /dev/hda > /dev/hdb . Lately I've been finding DMA off at the > conclusion of this copy. From last night (this morning) in > /var/log/messages: > > May 23 06:08:20 pc kernel: hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA timeout error > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hda: DMA disabled > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA disabled > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide0: reset: success > > Is it time to replace that drive? No. If its regular ATA, then they're on the same ATA ribbon and I'd try them on separate channels. I suspect a master/slave issue of sorts. Do both drives support and run at the same Ultra DMA mode? `hdparm -i /dev/hda` `hdparm -i /dev/hdc` ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 11:48:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFmJG3024341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:48:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NFmJeX024340 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:48:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFmI5T024336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:48:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFmI2q012498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:48:18 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NFm48C031963 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:48:05 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NFm3fw007783 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:48:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? In-Reply-To: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Message-ID: References: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King wrote: >> I have two (identical) hard drives. Every night, I have a cron job that >> cats /dev/hda > /dev/hdb . Lately I've been finding DMA off at the >> conclusion of this copy. From last night (this morning) in >> /var/log/messages: >> >> May 23 06:08:20 pc kernel: hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA timeout error >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hda: DMA disabled >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA disabled >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide0: reset: success >> >> Is it time to replace that drive? > > No. > > If its regular ATA, then they're on the same ATA ribbon and I'd try them on > separate channels. This is a new problem. They worked correctly for months. Originally, I had them on separate channels (hda and hdc), but then I changed cases (from mini-tower to tower) and the cable would not reach[1]. Are there longer ATA cables available? If not, I'll try to make the cabling reach in a sub-optimal arrangement. > I suspect a master/slave issue of sorts. Do both drives support and run > at the same Ultra DMA mode? They're identical. If I took them out, I'd have to check the master/slave jumpers to tell which is which. root@pc:/usr/share/xscreensaver/dvd2b/stage/vcr# hdparm -i /dev/hda /dev/hdb /dev/hda: Model=IC35L120AVV207-0, FwRev=V24OA63A, SerialNo=VNVD00G4CD51GX Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs } RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=52 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=1821kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=241254720 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 3a: * signifies the current active mode /dev/hdb: Model=IC35L120AVV207-0, FwRev=V24OA66A, SerialNo=VNVD06G4CYA17L Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs } RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=52 BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=1821kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=241254720 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120} PIO modes: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 DMA modes: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5 AdvancedPM=yes: disabled (255) WriteCache=enabled Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 3a: * signifies the current active mode It appears so. [1] There are two DVD drives and two hard drives; HDs=hda & hdb, DVDs=hdc & hdd is the only way I could make the cables reach. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 12:05:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NG534X024519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:05:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NG52kM024518 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:05:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NG52j6024514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:05:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NG52sx014069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:05:02 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NG4hqO022665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:04:43 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4NFx43P032735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 08:59:05 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FiZNB-0005Fh-NM for slug@nks.net; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:04:41 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53262.216.134.200.78.1148400281.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 23 May 2006 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.149, required 6, AWL -1.16, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > This is a new problem. They worked correctly for months. Originally, I had > them on separate channels (hda and hdc), but then I changed cases (from > mini-tower to tower) and the cable would not reach[1]. Are there longer > ATA cables available? If not, I'll try to make the cabling reach in a > sub-optimal arrangement. Yes, I love it when stuff stops working after seeming fine for months. >> I suspect a master/slave issue of sorts. Do both drives support and run >> at the same Ultra DMA mode? > > They're identical. If I took them out, I'd have to check the master/slave > jumpers to tell which is which. Strange. > > [1] There are two DVD drives and two hard drives; HDs=hda & hdb, DVDs=hdc & > hdd is the only way I could make the cables reach. That's a better configuration than having an ATAPI device on a bus with an ATA device. You could try using a different ATA cable, just in case, to see if it's a bad cable. It could also be a chipset issue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 12:32:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGW37P024739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:32:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NGW3JR024738 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:32:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGW2Js024734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:32:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGW22M015752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:32:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGVjmN028062 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:31:45 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NGVign003499 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:32:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? In-Reply-To: <53262.216.134.200.78.1148400281.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Message-ID: References: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <53262.216.134.200.78.1148400281.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King wrote: > > >> [1] There are two DVD drives and two hard drives; HDs=hda & hdb, DVDs=hdc & >> hdd is the only way I could make the cables reach. > > That's a better configuration than having an ATAPI device on a bus with an > ATA device. I had been under the misimpression that UDMA bandwidth would be the bottleneck for hda -> hdb copies. It's not, so this is no worse than having each HD on a separate bus. If the entire bus slows down to the slowest device, it's better than having DVDs on those busses too. > You could try using a different ATA cable, just in case, to see if it's a > bad cable. It could also be a chipset issue. I'll give that a try, and see how tonight's backup goes. Hm, I have one spare 80-conductor conductor cable and several spare 40 conductor ones. Oh well, one's all I need. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 12:51:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGpYQ7024864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NGpYA3024863 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGpYq9024859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGpX3r016931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:33 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NGpCFj024139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:12 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4NGjTR6003488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 09:45:30 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Fia67-0006Kb-2W for slug@nks.net; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:07 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52483.216.134.200.78.1148403067.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <53262.216.134.200.78.1148400281.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 23 May 2006 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.326, required 6, AWL -0.88, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jason Boxman wrote: > >> Eben King wrote: >> >> >>> [1] There are two DVD drives and two hard drives; HDs=hda & hdb, DVDs=hdc >>> & >>> hdd is the only way I could make the cables reach. >> >> That's a better configuration than having an ATAPI device on a bus with an >> ATA device. > > I had been under the misimpression that UDMA bandwidth would be the > bottleneck for hda -> hdb copies. It's not, so this is no worse than having > each HD on a separate bus. If the entire bus slows down to the slowest > device, it's better than having DVDs on those busses too. It's slightly worse. Having two devices on a bus isn't free. Certainly I wouldn't put an ATAPI device on the bus with an ATA device, though. >> You could try using a different ATA cable, just in case, to see if it's a >> bad cable. It could also be a chipset issue. > > I'll give that a try, and see how tonight's backup goes. Hm, I have one > spare 80-conductor conductor cable and several spare 40 conductor ones. Oh > well, one's all I need. You'll need the 80-pin to reliably do UDMA 66+. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 13:42:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NHg8AM025378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:42:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NHg89J025377 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:42:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NHg2Wq025373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:42:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NHg2jA020763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:42:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NHfdXq004031 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:41:40 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NHfc8N028468 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:41:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? In-Reply-To: <52483.216.134.200.78.1148403067.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Message-ID: References: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <53262.216.134.200.78.1148400281.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <52483.216.134.200.78.1148403067.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-GetARealMailreader: Eben King wrote: >> On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jason Boxman wrote: >> >>> You could try using a different ATA cable, just in case, to see if it's a >>> bad cable. It could also be a chipset issue. >> >> I'll give that a try, and see how tonight's backup goes. Hm, I have one >> spare 80-conductor conductor cable and several spare 40 conductor ones. Oh >> well, one's all I need. > > You'll need the 80-pin to reliably do UDMA 66+. Yes, I chose that one. It's replaced (and there was a bit of excitement due to the motherboard power connector coming off, and there being crud in the IDE connector which kept the cable from seating, but I got those worked out), so I'll see how it goes tonight. It doesn't fail in normal operation, only under heavy data transfer. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please. Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad) http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 14:26:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NIQ26l025815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:26:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NIQ2Wi025814 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:26:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NIQ1kH025806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:26:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NIQ1QF023583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:26:01 -0400 Received: from trekweb.com (207-36-208-156.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.208.156]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NIPofU030731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:50 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (pool-71-122-106-36.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.122.106.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by trekweb.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4NIK47r009549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 11:20:08 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FibZd-0008PD-TU for slug@nks.net; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:42 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42823.216.134.200.78.1148408741.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 14:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Using pbuilder to backport Debian packages From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Greylist: Sender succeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.5.3 (trekweb.com [207.36.208.156]); Tue, 23 May 2006 11:20:08 -0700 (PDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.73, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.55, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 'domo keeps eating this (revision four) -- pbuilder guide: http://edseek.com/~jasonb/articles/pbuilder_backports/ If there's anything glaringly stupid or unclear, let me know so I can correct it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 15:26:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NJQkMR026301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:26:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NJQkP4026300 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:26:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NJQkGX026296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:26:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NJQjBm027719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:26:45 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NJQSBc015250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:26:29 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NJUGxP003240 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:30:16 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4NJUGfd003239; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:30:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 15:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1812.192.168.8.8.1148412616.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.974, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.62, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have two (identical) hard drives. Every night, I have a cron job that > cats /dev/hda > /dev/hdb . Lately I've been finding DMA off at the > conclusion of this copy. From last night (this morning) in > /var/log/messages: > > May 23 06:08:20 pc kernel: hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA timeout error > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hda: DMA disabled > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA disabled > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide0: reset: success > > Is it time to replace that drive? I have about twenty drives running throughout the house and whenever I see that message it's always been a matter of time (usually days) before the drive fails. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 17:58:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NLwcqR027421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NLwchg027420 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NLwWFQ027416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NLwWNW007930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:32 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NLwHXt009966 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:17 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4NLwGfY010567 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? In-Reply-To: <1812.192.168.8.8.1148412616.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: References: <1812.192.168.8.8.1148412616.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > I have two (identical) hard drives. Every night, I have a cron job that >> cats /dev/hda > /dev/hdb . Lately I've been finding DMA off at the >> conclusion of this copy. From last night (this morning) in >> /var/log/messages: >> >> May 23 06:08:20 pc kernel: hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA timeout error >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hda: DMA disabled >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: DMA disabled >> May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: ide0: reset: success >> >> Is it time to replace that drive? > > I have about twenty drives running throughout the house and whenever I see > that message it's always been a matter of time (usually days) before the > drive fails. Which drive, then, hdb? Or do I need to put them on separate busses and see where the error goes? Could it be the motherboard controller? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 23 18:46:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NMkLU7027840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:46:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4NMkL4l027839 for slug-track29; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:46:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NMkLw1027835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:46:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NMkLRp012183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:46:21 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4NMkBvB031931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:46:12 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4NMo0Ln004147 for ; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:50:00 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4NMo0Ra004146; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:50:00 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.28 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 23 May 2006 18:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52707.192.168.8.28.1148424600.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1812.192.168.8.8.1148412616.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.172, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.43, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >> I have about twenty drives running throughout the house and whenever I see >> that message it's always been a matter of time (usually days) before the >> drive fails. > > Which drive, then, hdb? Or do I need to put them on separate busses and see > where the error goes? Could it be the motherboard controller? It looks like the errors are occurring on HDB causing the controller to turn off DMA in an attempt to get valid data. Since both drives are on the same controller, the first drive also gets DMA turned off. I've only had one controller fail in years, but have had lots and lots of drives fail with that DMA error. On average I send back a drive every 10 weeks (about 5 a year). Here's my latest (very similar to yours) May 15 17:01:01 helios crond(pam_unix)[3460]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) May 15 17:01:01 helios crond(pam_unix)[3460]: session closed for user root May 15 17:13:12 helios kernel: hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 May 15 17:13:30 helios kernel: hda: DMA timeout error May 15 17:13:30 helios kernel: hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } In this case hda turned out to be bad. To make sure I enabled smartd for the disks. Once it was reporting errors, I ran the maxtor disk utilities (downloadable from Maxtor/Seagate). It failed the disk on that machine. I popped the drive into another machine and it also failed there (BTW, this deletes all info on the disk). I figure the drive will last another week or so before dying since the first smartd reports were on may 12. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 24 09:17:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ODHRlJ002304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:17:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ODHRAW002303 for slug-track29; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:17:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ODHQ64002299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:17:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ODHQb1013283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:17:26 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ODH1Vi000807 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:17:05 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4ODGu3u000292 for ; Wed, 24 May 2006 09:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:16:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <53262.216.134.200.78.1148400281.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <52483.216.134.200.78.1148403067.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-GetARealMailreader: so I'll see how it goes tonight. It didn't get an error last night, and I did "cat /dev/hda > /dev/null", "cat /dev/hdb > /dev/null", and "cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb" twice. Well, I used dd instead of cat, but same idea. I don't know whether it was the power cycle or the cable change that did it. Anyhow, I'll see if it acts up again later. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 10:49:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PEncfJ014402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PEnc8F014401 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PEncWE014397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PEnbLc016160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:38 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PEnRRw010300 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:49:27 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so140718wri for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:49:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o1cfeyUnK0i5/dZ/kLFQ9Dboij8CQLdgT8BIZkR4junvzCVt0nTFK/47PX9wvFLfZN1ZD/9rWOKO7z2Vf1OiZ4+kH5thi+/cHfUkOIJbfwg4SCPKB9IuxG3+k4tUZP+pZavvzK7EA4MPd07wbEP+RCvEcCCXYh0j8dDsfE7kflE= Received: by 10.54.83.10 with SMTP id g10mr5562043wrb; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 07:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605250749v49a94abau5edf0708d25b8b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:49:27 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Theme From A Movie In-Reply-To: <200605221901.08333.mario@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44656013.3090105@quillandmouse.com> <200605221901.08333.mario@alienscience.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.917, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.73, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4PEncWD014398 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > From http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/dvd-extracting.php example > mplayer -vo xv -aid 128 -ao pcm -alang en -aofile desperado.wav -dvd 1 > -chapter 2 This is actually obsolete for currentish versions of mplayer. The new syntax is -ao pcm:file=desperado.wav -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 12:40:18 2006 Received: from vsmtp2.tin.it (vsmtp2.tin.it [212.216.176.222]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PGeHWu015340 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 12:40:18 -0400 Received: from pswm17.cp.tin.it (192.168.70.65) by vsmtp2.tin.it (7.2.072.1) id 447454800016DD84; Thu, 25 May 2006 18:32:30 +0200 Message-ID: <10b6c6251b3.fenosa6@virgilio.it> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:30:50 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: Reply-To: Subject: FENOSA AWARD!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 84.77.36.23 To: undisclosed-recipients:; 24TH MAY 2006 Dear Winner, . We are pleased to announce you as third category winner of this years annual FENOSA Award. All winning addresses were randomly selected from a batch of 50,000,000 international emails. Consequently,you have therefore been approved for a total pay out of 250,000.00euros (Twohundred and fifty thousand euros)only. The following particulars were attached to your lotto payment order (i)Lucky numbers: 7-87- 34-1514-13 (ii) Ticket number: 788384534-3333 (iii) Batch Number: JVHN/78/435/VHIT(iv) Lottery Ref Number: TSR5678- BGR1034/06and (v) Serial Number: ES- 441-3333-16 Your security file number is ES- 689415341P. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 13:11:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHBrmk015610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:11:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PHBrcc015609 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:11:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHBrJX015605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:11:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHBqIG025864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:11:53 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHBb05020288 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:11:38 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so182111wra for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:11:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PdEq3MEjlagVZjg/R75x6Q/IHT2qV+pZjrUi1foFgpQIQa93/JFSKuapSXd68zCAPvPuT5YvobO2P1ffdl3yZQL6DiHbGRftGL2I3LK9IZr846o55kB7dzG+LgKJaK0P1lfF19/TPFR/Rc9whdaDfXymG/r6KJKbwJnojppWJBY= Received: by 10.54.139.3 with SMTP id m3mr854474wrd; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605251011s7ef85015ga69673f44de430c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:11:36 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Mark Klein's AT&T statement in the EFF case In-Reply-To: <44727439.40005@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060522175517.GA9082@frey> <44727439.40005@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.344, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4PHBrJW015606 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I think that we can all agree that there is some screwy stuff going > on in our government and indeed, the other powers that be here. > However, I think we can also agree that this is the best government that > the world currently has to offer. I don't like the idea of anyone > poking into my privacy, but the fact of the matter is, I have nothing to > hide. If there is a terrorist on my block, blogging about it, I hope > they get him. If this expedites apprehension of truly evil people, I > might be able to compramise. The fact of the matter is, this does not > necessarily mean anything. If you are taking a stroll in a park, and > start talking a drug deal with someone, and an off-duty cop overhears, > he will call backup. Moral of the story: Know where your privacy > exists or keep your nose clean. It's that simple. > For fear of getting too political, this is where I terminate my post > this time around. I have lots to say, as always, but I won't disturb > you with it. (they might be listening! Ooooooo!) Replied on slug-pol. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 13:20:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHKcbH015746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:20:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PHKcAH015745 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:20:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHKbHQ015741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:20:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHKbAF026471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:20:37 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHKGre024684 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:20:16 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so184146wra for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t3KnQ7pMFP0CEaR0JTlIpujvTESZjMUNFENH73XXim7YirXap4mBPg3j7FtoVb5fZufoOFtDN1U/VpPeCizjeGg0hAP6+aQpPgFjQRLTaGENcHyViOn9hEiaz5IS1yi+CxIqpmtM6kmez4mcMvlBLx+EIkQjm4pTLIICnctohAY= Received: by 10.54.141.18 with SMTP id o18mr863296wrd; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.96.20 with HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605251020t668ac8fdnbeaa19fab8802faf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:20:16 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? In-Reply-To: <52707.192.168.8.28.1148424600.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1812.192.168.8.8.1148412616.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <52707.192.168.8.28.1148424600.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.276, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.17, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4PHKbHP015742 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I think there's an important difference here: Eben's: > May 23 06:08:21 pc kernel: hdb: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } Kwan's: > May 15 17:13:30 helios kernel: hda: dma timeout error: status=0x58 { DriveReady > SeekComplete DataRequest } I agree that on drives where I start to see the errors with "DriveReady SeekComplete" , failure is imminent. However, I don't think that "Busy" is necessarily an indicator of the same, particularly when doing a huge data dump, as Eben seems to be. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 13:46:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHkTgC015909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:46:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PHkTJp015908 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:46:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHkSHT015904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:46:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHkPZ5027888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:46:28 -0400 Received: from web52609.mail.yahoo.com (web52609.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.212]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k4PHk5Da017879 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:46:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 6815 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2006 17:46:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pQ6iwv7k0qTppIPndRWoulazKt/ExFO/c9E5PEgJpDlwnimG+9SaGMEpmL1itLp+vmwGHJe8qxf+fSPN9Y/rUyzhvvemQUUm20fZTxqb2/SUDNafsHUDXeSgz00W7jzCZRJKXC/+NkfYX3eboaaTWo6Qrwp7m6GtaC5ni043kYM= ; Message-ID: <20060525174604.6810.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.40.173.160] by web52609.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 10:46:04 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Banschbach, SFO" To: Slug List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.851, required 6, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25, J_CHICKENPOX_62 0.60) Subject: [SLUG] Firefox and email links X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Greetings all.. yes.. it is true .. the rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.. :) Seriously ... I have been using firefox for a browser at home.. but I have one gripe about it.. small though it is here is the issue.. The "mailto:blah@blah.com" links do not work due to a lack of a local mail client.or setting an internet preference. So.. I wondered if anyone out there has found a work around to this issue.. ? Thanks in advance.. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 13:58:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHwtMh015979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:58:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PHwtr6015978 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:58:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHwtZD015974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:58:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHwskP028451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:58:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PHwaQw000688 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:58:36 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PHwUsI001412 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 13:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: Slug List Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox and email links In-Reply-To: <20060525174604.6810.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060525174604.6810.qmail@web52609.mail.yahoo.com> X-GetARealMailreader: Seriously ... I have been using firefox for a > browser at home.. but I have one gripe about it.. > small though it is here is the issue.. > > The "mailto:blah@blah.com" links do not work due to > a lack of a local mail client.or setting an internet > preference. So.. I wondered if anyone out there has > found a work around to this issue.. ? Does http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/02/msg00111.html help? -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar SAGITTARIUS: All your friends are laughing behind your back... kill them. Take down all those naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine you've got hanging in your den. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 14:51:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PIpxhr016451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:51:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PIpxmS016450 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:51:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PIpw7p016446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:51:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PIpwxf001579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:51:58 -0400 Received: from web52606.mail.yahoo.com (web52606.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.209]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k4PIpi9g023852 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:51:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 57648 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2006 18:51:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z0YWeavJ/Q4Ga24kkK3LhiYeFN6azZcwSrzT/6tClUSyMdE5WPbcG3iDcUzegITaeWEzkxnx66nUc2DfzEGOkJopOAsKyLEmRjmB+FutFhH5cqgZpAFjJ04Bst4KDuWXIZ+QlphTxsAxHnatX7tTJS+gbW+U8m7COnazWxSo/Gc= ; Message-ID: <20060525185143.57646.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.40.173.160] by web52606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 May 2006 11:51:43 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Banschbach, SFO" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox and email links To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.148, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_62 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Eben.. I will go home and try this out tonight. I forgot all about the about:config page.. DOH.. Open Mouth -> Insert foot -> chew vigorously Peace, Mark --- Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Mark Banschbach, SFO wrote: > > > Seriously ... I have been using firefox for a > > browser at home.. but I have one gripe about it.. > > small though it is here is the issue.. > > > > The "mailto:blah@blah.com" links do not work due > to > > a lack of a local mail client.or setting an > internet > > preference. So.. I wondered if anyone out there > has > > found a work around to this issue.. ? > > Does > http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2005/02/msg00111.html > help? > > -- > -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm > home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar > SAGITTARIUS: All your friends are laughing behind > your back... kill > them. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 15:09:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PJ9KCA016625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:09:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PJ9KQC016624 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:09:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PJ9Jms016620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:09:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PJ9Jhn002640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:09:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PJ8uuJ008139 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:08:56 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4PJ8thD021755 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 15:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox and email (and movie) links In-Reply-To: <20060525185143.57646.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20060525185143.57646.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> X-GetARealMailreader: Thanks Eben.. > > I will go home and try this out tonight. I forgot > all about the about:config page.. DOH.. No sweat. FWIW, I searched on "mailto firefox". I'd like to make it pass off the URLs for movie or media files to mplayer or xmms, not go ahead and download the file and then tell mplayer (etc) where the file is. I'm sure it's in there somewhere, but I don't know where. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu May 25 17:57:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PLvvZS017951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 17:57:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4PLvvjW017950 for slug-track29; Thu, 25 May 2006 17:57:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PLvvhH017946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 17:57:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PLvuY8011276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 17:57:57 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4PLvdeV011847 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 17:57:40 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6189618D353 for ; Thu, 25 May 2006 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox and email links Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:57:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060525185143.57646.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060525185143.57646.qmail@web52606.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605251757.36662.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.079, required 6, AWL -0.08, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 25 May 2006 14:51, Mark Banschbach, SFO wrote: > Thanks Eben.. > > I will go home and try this out tonight. I forgot > all about the about:config page.. DOH.. > > Open Mouth -> Insert foot -> chew vigorously > > Peace, I think many wars are started because if feets being chewed on. I would not speak loudly about it in public... (I liked the 'chew vigorously' part! :) -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 01:07:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q57gA7021378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4Q57gD3021377 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q57fn5021373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q57fEL008972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:41 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q57U43021341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:30 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjUXp-0005qN-N8 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C156C19 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:07:26 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Slicing a file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.591, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here's what I need to do (sometimes): Take a text file and split it into pieces. The split command won't work for this, because the pieces may not be equal. For example, I may want to split an 8000 line file into pieces 2000, 3000 and 3000 lines each. I'm willing to run the same command multiple times with different parameters, but whatever I use needs to be some common command expected to be there on any system. I've looked at split, head and tail. I suspect I can do this with sed or awk, but I'm not very familiar with those two, beyond rudimentary use. Can anyone suggest a solution? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 01:38:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q5cUWt021637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:38:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4Q5cUsa021636 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:38:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q5cT4I021632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:38:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q5cTJp010905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:38:29 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q5cF6W023017 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:38:15 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4Q5cDUM027480 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 01:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file In-Reply-To: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> Message-ID: References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> X-GetARealMailreader: Here's what I need to do (sometimes): Take a text file and split it into > pieces. The split command won't work for this, because the pieces may not be > equal. For example, I may want to split an 8000 line file into pieces 2000, > 3000 and 3000 lines each. I'm willing to run the same command multiple times > with different parameters, but whatever I use needs to be some common command > expected to be there on any system. I've looked at split, head and tail. I > suspect I can do this with sed or awk, but I'm not very familiar with those > two, beyond rudimentary use. Can anyone suggest a solution? Find out what line is the first that should be in the second file (call it L). head -n L-1 filename > file1 tail +L filename > file2andLater You could also do that as sed Lq filename > file1 sed 1,Ld filename > file2andLater if you really like sed. Repeat for additional divisions, leapfrogging your way through the file. I'm sure someone will come up with a method where you get a list of split points from the original file and use that. That method lends itself more readily to automation. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Hi! I'm a .sig virus! Copy me to your .sig! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 02:18:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q6ICkB021999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 02:18:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4Q6ICAP021998 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 02:18:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q6ICq8021994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 02:18:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q6IBtM014842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 02:18:11 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4Q6Ht7o027070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 02:17:55 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FjVdz-0003BQ-0I for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 02:17:55 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5D556C19 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 02:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 02:17:52 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.488, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 26 May 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> Here's what I need to do (sometimes): Take a text file and split it >> into pieces. The split command won't work for this, because the pieces >> may not be equal. For example, I may want to split an 8000 line file >> into pieces 2000, 3000 and 3000 lines each. I'm willing to run the >> same command multiple times with different parameters, but whatever I >> use needs to be some common command expected to be there on any >> system. I've looked at split, head and tail. I suspect I can do this >> with sed or awk, but I'm not very familiar with those two, beyond >> rudimentary use. Can anyone suggest a solution? > > Find out what line is the first that should be in the second file (call > it L). > > head -n L-1 filename > file1 > tail +L filename > file2andLater > (Note: I'm not using a second file to tell me where the splits should be.) A (real) example of the above would be (assuming original file contains 10000 lines, and needs splits of 2000, 3000, 3000 and 2000): head -n 2000 original > result1 tail -n 8000 original > temp1 head -n 3000 temp1 > result2 tail -n 5000 temp1 > temp2 head -n 3000 temp2 > result3 tail -n 2000 temp2 > result4 The above will work, but leaves temp files potentially all over the place (temp1 and temp2). If necessary, I can do that. But it would be better to create the exact "chunks" from a file without any extra files lying around. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 07:23:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBN8Eu024564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:23:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QBN8Gf024563 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:23:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBN7B9024559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:23:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBN7nY006358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:23:07 -0400 Received: from web52612.mail.yahoo.com (web52612.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.215]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k4QBMmog022056 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:22:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 76393 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2006 11:22:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D8tKntMa13E6QmkigEh7VkJfOCCoB61B2VGiL6fjHYPJjAu7saT+W1WCVViingLcmZ415/C2TyHUFd+vwiHbwXd14WC37eBrjf0NbRxE1HmHux2nYS+6WQaTeBwh9U12KAhwTLBFYlBL3BcvVXQSD4v3YjCfuf1+oxiyLXHYg+s= ; Message-ID: <20060526112247.76391.qmail@web52612.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.40.173.160] by web52612.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:22:47 PDT Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 04:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Banschbach, SFO" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox and email links To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200605251757.36662.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.252, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ... well I wasnt expecting this sort of Spanish Inquisition !... 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 07:45:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBjOe5024736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:45:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QBjOCD024735 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:45:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBjNBm024731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:45:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBjN4i007581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:45:23 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBj9LI025588 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:45:09 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so117457uge for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:45:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CgirK3OGbfCptiNd1+q057WA8ykaVxE+qK3fFToRW0e/hhXzydOM3bfXlSXG2e+SmGkieOk4l3iN0cpVfqU7aI0hkNIhUvJnwI9+7iNYMTdHwGhVt6IkxHbca+LUELZ02NC1AGmx2EuEt6TWHJ0NWY1LlNY0i5jP+QDOW2nLUX0= Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr71142hua; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.5 with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0605260444y15c37188o13b8b85dcc300047@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:44:36 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file In-Reply-To: <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > A (real) example of the above would be (assuming original file contains > 10000 lines, and needs splits of 2000, 3000, 3000 and 2000): > > > head -n 2000 original > result1 > tail -n 8000 original > temp1 > head -n 3000 temp1 > result2 > tail -n 5000 temp1 > temp2 > head -n 3000 temp2 > result3 > tail -n 2000 temp2 > result4 > > The above will work, but leaves temp files potentially all over the > place (temp1 and temp2). If necessary, I can do that. But it would be > better to create the exact "chunks" from a file without any extra files > lying around. If you wanted to avoid files you could do some head/tail pipery, but sed can accomplish the same thing: sed '1,2000!d' original > result1 sed '2001,5000!d' original > result2 sed '5001,8000!d' original > result3 sed '8001,10000!d' original > result4 in a nutshell, delete (d) every line that is not (!) in the line range specified. The opposite works too... like sed -n '2001,5000p' original ... disable autoprint (-n), print (p) the line range specified. ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 07:50:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBoH50024772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:50:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QBoHBM024771 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:50:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBoHM2024767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:50:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBoGuO007777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:50:17 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f10.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.99]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QBo1ft016475 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 07:50:01 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 May 2006 04:50:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:49:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:49:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 11:50:00.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[84E43AE0:01C680BA] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.835, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_40 -0.18, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Paul M Foster >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file >Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 02:17:52 -0400 > >(Note: I'm not using a second file to tell me where the splits should be.) > >A (real) example of the above would be (assuming original file contains >10000 lines, and needs splits of 2000, 3000, 3000 and 2000): > > >head -n 2000 original > result1 >tail -n 8000 original > temp1 >head -n 3000 temp1 > result2 >tail -n 5000 temp1 > temp2 >head -n 3000 temp2 > result3 >tail -n 2000 temp2 > result4 > >The above will work, but leaves temp files potentially all over the place >(temp1 and temp2). If necessary, I can do that. But it would be better to >create the exact "chunks" from a file without any extra files lying around. > >-- >Paul M. Foster Hope the following little hack does what you need: -Jonathon #!/bin/bash # slice splits one file into files of various lengths #Copyright (C) 2006 Jonathon Conte # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify # it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by # the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or # (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301 USA PREFIX="part" # prefix to use for new files PROG="${0##*/}" # name of program err() { echo "$PROG: $*" >&2; } usage() { echo "Usage: $PROG N[...] FILE" >&2 echo "Split FILE into files of N lines." >&2 echo "A new file will be created for each value of N passed to" >&2 echo "${PROG} regardless of the number of lines in FILE. Each" >&2 echo "value of N must be an integer greater than 0." >&2 } # check for parameters if [ $# -lt 2 ]; then usage exit 1 fi # make sure last parameter is an existant file with read permission eval FILE="$"$#"" if [ ! -r "$FILE" ]; then if [ -e "$FILE" ]; then err "you do not have permission to read \"$FILE\"" exit 1 fi err "the file \"$FILE\" does not exist" exit 1 fi # make sure all other parameters are valid integers ARG=1 while [ $ARG -lt $# ]; do eval ARGV="$"$ARG"" if [ "$ARGV" -lt 1 ]; then usage exit 1 fi ARG=$(($ARG+1)) done # split the file START=1 ARG=1 while [ $ARG -lt $# ]; do eval ARGV="$"$ARG"" tail -n +$START "$FILE" | head -$ARGV > "${PREFIX}${ARG}" START=$(($START+$ARGV)) ARG=$(($ARG+1)) done exit 0 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 11:21:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFLGbY026512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QFLGlJ026511 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFLFKi026507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFLFGv021634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:15 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFL08j028805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:00 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.193] (hq-fw-01.nks.net [216.134.200.5]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFL0Jb029049 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <44771CDC.9010201@blenke.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:21:00 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0605260444y15c37188o13b8b85dcc300047@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0605260444y15c37188o13b8b85dcc300047@mail.gmail.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010806000904060306090802" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.445, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.15, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010806000904060306090802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Jarboe wrote: >> A (real) example of the above would be (assuming original file contains >> 10000 lines, and needs splits of 2000, 3000, 3000 and 2000): >> >> head -n 2000 original > result1 >> tail -n 8000 original > temp1 >> head -n 3000 temp1 > result2 >> tail -n 5000 temp1 > temp2 >> head -n 3000 temp2 > result3 >> tail -n 2000 temp2 > result4 >> >> The above will work, but leaves temp files potentially all over the >> place (temp1 and temp2). If necessary, I can do that. But it would be >> better to create the exact "chunks" from a file without any extra files >> lying around. > > If you wanted to avoid files you could do some head/tail pipery, but > sed can accomplish the same thing: > > sed '1,2000!d' original > result1 > sed '2001,5000!d' original > result2 > sed '5001,8000!d' original > result3 > sed '8001,10000!d' original > result4 > > in a nutshell, delete (d) every line that is not (!) in the line range > specified. > > The opposite works too... like sed -n '2001,5000p' original ... > disable autoprint (-n), print (p) the line range specified. I like your sed solution. The head tail pipery is just as fun, and no temporary files. head -2000 origional > result1 head -5000 origional | tail +2000 > result2 head -8000 origional | tail +5000 > result3 head -10000 origional | tail +8000 > result4 Using tail with a plus ("+") count is quite useful for this. --------------010806000904060306090802 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ian.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ian.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian C. Blenke n:Blenke;Ian email;internet:ian.blenke.com tel;home:813.784.6020 version:2.1 end:vcard --------------010806000904060306090802-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 11:29:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFToEo026561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QFTocq026560 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFTnt1026556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFTnMV022012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:49 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFTbJt016418 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:37 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QFTaJ6002528 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:29:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0605260444y15c37188o13b8b85dcc300047@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0605260444y15c37188o13b8b85dcc300047@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: > A (real) example of the above would be (assuming original file contains >> 10000 lines, and needs splits of 2000, 3000, 3000 and 2000): >> >> >> head -n 2000 original > result1 >> tail -n 8000 original > temp1 >> head -n 3000 temp1 > result2 >> tail -n 5000 temp1 > temp2 >> head -n 3000 temp2 > result3 >> tail -n 2000 temp2 > result4 >> >> The above will work, but leaves temp files potentially all over the >> place (temp1 and temp2). If necessary, I can do that. But it would be >> better to create the exact "chunks" from a file without any extra files >> lying around. > > If you wanted to avoid files you could do some head/tail pipery, but > sed can accomplish the same thing: > > sed '1,2000!d' original > result1 > sed '2001,5000!d' original > result2 > sed '5001,8000!d' original > result3 > sed '8001,10000!d' original > result4 If line 2000 et al should be the first line of the next segment (not the last line of the previous one), you need sed '1,1999!d' original > result1 sed '2000,4999!d' original > result2 sed '5000,7999!d' original > result3 sed '8000,10000!d' original > result4 And if the file's really big, you might want to have sed exit after it prints the last line: sed -e '1,1999!d' -e 2000q original > result1 sed -e '2000,4999!d' -e 5000q original > result2 sed -e '5000,7999!d' -8 8000q original > result3 sed '8000,10000!d' original > result4 -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make ... a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator[.] -- GHWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 11:58:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwOlZ026779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QFwO8W026778 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwNTT026774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwMOU023673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:23 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFw808026710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:09 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FjehC-0002zm-TN for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:06 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FjdY1-0001AK-6V for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:44:34 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 91C341B41; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:44:30 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file Message-ID: <20060526144430.GB3108@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> Reply-By: Tue May 23 10:16:34 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 10:16:34 up 3:10, 1 user, load average: 0.24, 0.08, 0.04 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: 757b83ca3315bf64e0d1c75b929807b6 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.056, required 6, AWL 0.08, BAYES_20 -0.74, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Paul M Foster on Friday, May 26, 2006 at 02:17AM -0400: > Eben King wrote: > >On Fri, 26 May 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > >>Here's what I need to do (sometimes): Take a text file and split it > >>into pieces. The split command won't work for this, because the pieces > >>may not be equal. For example, I may want to split an 8000 line file > >>into pieces 2000, 3000 and 3000 lines each. I'm willing to run the > >>same command multiple times with different parameters, but whatever I > >>use needs to be some common command expected to be there on any > >>system. I've looked at split, head and tail. I suspect I can do this > >>with sed or awk, but I'm not very familiar with those two, beyond > >>rudimentary use. Can anyone suggest a solution? > > > >Find out what line is the first that should be in the second file (call > >it L). > > > >head -n L-1 filename > file1 > >tail +L filename > file2andLater > > > > (Note: I'm not using a second file to tell me where the splits should be.) > > A (real) example of the above would be (assuming original file contains > 10000 lines, and needs splits of 2000, 3000, 3000 and 2000): with the ginsu.pl in another reply of mine, you'd: perl ginsu.pl bigfile 2000 3000 3000 2000 -- ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... -- Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 11:58:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwJTJ026772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QFwJrC026771 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwIXk026767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwH9p023637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:18 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFvraR014695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:57:54 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fjeh5-0002zm-2r for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FjdTX-0001A2-4N for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:39:56 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 811481B41; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:39:52 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file Message-ID: <20060526143952.GA3108@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> Reply-By: Tue May 23 10:16:34 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 10:16:34 up 3:10, 1 user, load average: 0.24, 0.08, 0.04 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: 92bd11aebd26a07a45daa6abddf89593 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.113, required 6, AWL -0.49, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Paul M Foster on Friday, May 26, 2006 at 01:07AM -0400: > Here's what I need to do (sometimes): Take a text file and split it into > pieces. The split command won't work for this, because the pieces may > not be equal. For example, I may want to split an 8000 line file into > pieces 2000, 3000 and 3000 lines each. I'm willing to run the same > command multiple times with different parameters, but whatever I use > needs to be some common command expected to be there on any system. I've > looked at split, head and tail. I suspect I can do this with sed or awk, > but I'm not very familiar with those two, beyond rudimentary use. Can > anyone suggest a solution? > #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use IO::File; die "usage: ginsu.pl file lines..." if @ARGV < 2; my ($file, @chunks) = @ARGV; my $fh = new IO::File($file, 'r') or die "Can't open $file for reading: $!"; my $namer = gen_namer("sliced-"); foreach my $n (@chunks) { my $outname = $namer->(); my $out = new IO::File($outname, 'w') or die "Can't open $outname: $!"; putlines($out, getlines($fh, $n)); } sub gen_namer { my ($prefix, $i) = @_; $prefix ||= ""; $i ||= 0; return sub { sprintf "$prefix%.3d", $i++ }; } sub getlines { my ($fh, $n) = @_; my @lines; for (1 .. $n) { my $line = $fh->getline; return \@lines if not defined $line; push @lines, $line; } return \@lines; } sub putlines { my ($fh, $lines) = @_; foreach my $line (@$lines) { $fh->print($line); } } -- ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... -- Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 11:58:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwoR3026796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QFwoKU026795 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwnUQ026791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwnAZ023739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:49 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QFwaVx008858 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:37 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF60C18D345 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 08:58:35 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox and email links Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:58:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <20060526112247.76391.qmail@web52612.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060526112247.76391.qmail@web52612.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605261158.28593.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.058, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.06) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 26 May 2006 07:22, Mark Banschbach, SFO wrote: > ... well I wasnt expecting this sort of Spanish > Inquisition !... > > > Nee ! > > Sincerely.. > > Cardinal Fang :) Just wait until the Spaniards come for your feet. Not a pretty sight! -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 12:47:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QGlqcM027241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:47:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QGlq6D027240 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:47:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QGlq0W027236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:47:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QGlppI026579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:47:51 -0400 Received: from randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QGlYZe021016 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 12:47:34 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5EC90546 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 09:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DRM free music Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:47:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605261247.32132.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.232, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.23, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k4QGlq0V027237 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From Jon Lech Johansen's BLOG (of libcss fame) re: where do you get DRM free music: "Audiobubble Music Store http://www.theaudiobubble.com/ February 16th, 2006 at 2:05 am I received an email from the Audiobubble team about their online music store. "Audiobubble isn’t your average online music store. It began in early 2005, when two musicians, Shaun Russell and Tom Chambers, decided to create a music service that was fair to artists and fair to customers. Tired of puny 30 second previews, lack of customer trust and lack of freedom for the artist, they created the Audiobubble concept. We don’t use DRM because we know it isn’t consumer friendly. Shame that Napster, iTunes and other online music giants can’t wake up to this fact. Audiobubble is about freedom. Join the revolution! "I signed up for an account and was listening to previews in no time under Ubuntu Linux. The only information asked for during signup was email, username and password. "Payment is handled through PayPal, so if you don’t have a PayPal account and refuse to sign up for one you’re out of luck. "Other online stores that sell music files without DRM: Magnatune, Bleep, Mindawn, Audio Lunchbox. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 13:17:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHHNjG027547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QHHNeN027546 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHHMaJ027542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHHMNN028176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:17:22 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHH1YW021601 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:17:02 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so235856uge for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:17:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h8dPwl8euHDzd9ACgecBi946iLaCtiflEfuPlJa/SHxDT7Ss8wDmGbqrwGslUQXpPolF5akQzCiigOdMm+rz1p/bhuXFYCPyKBNQzO7vRSHgmuMBaHt3W3BKEJhIJ9cvctVE6XP4jbjU3gSk4oLEU1s0b/gH54JnAWPCGv3fcyc= Received: by 10.78.51.16 with SMTP id y16mr146687huy; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.31.5 with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0605261016m46a711acx30d9deb9ffd0482e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:16:59 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0605260444y15c37188o13b8b85dcc300047@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/26/06, Eben King wrote: > If line 2000 et al should be the first line of the next segment (not the > last line of the previous one), you need > > sed '1,1999!d' original > result1 > sed '2000,4999!d' original > result2 > sed '5000,7999!d' original > result3 > sed '8000,10000!d' original > result4 Eben, you might be confusing the issue here. Paul's example was 2000,3000,3000,2000, not 1999,3000,3000,2001 ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 13:39:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHd1v5027688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QHd1T5027687 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHd0f2027679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHcvUk029184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:00 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHcZGT027722 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:38:35 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QHcYOk010878 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:38:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0605261016m46a711acx30d9deb9ffd0482e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> <44769D90.5070704@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0605260444y15c37188o13b8b85dcc300047@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd0605261016m46a711acx30d9deb9ffd0482e@mail.gmail.com> X-GetARealMailreader: On 5/26/06, Eben King wrote: >> If line 2000 et al should be the first line of the next segment (not the >> last line of the previous one), you need >> >> sed '1,1999!d' original > result1 >> sed '2000,4999!d' original > result2 >> sed '5000,7999!d' original > result3 >> sed '8000,10000!d' original > result4 > > Eben, you might be confusing the issue here. Paul's example was > 2000,3000,3000,2000, not 1999,3000,3000,2001 Right, the proposition was N lines in seg [1-3], not that the Nth line starts seg [2-4]. Never mind. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 13:39:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHdnA1027700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QHdnIj027699 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHdmgb027695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHdmVB029206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:48 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f12.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.101]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QHdXia021975 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:33 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 May 2006 10:39:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 17:39:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200605261247.32132.steve@szmidt.org> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] DRM free music Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:39:29 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 May 2006 17:39:32.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[58FE79A0:01C680EB] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.4, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.40, BAYES_50 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: steve szmidt >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] DRM free music >Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:47:32 -0400 > >From Jon Lech Johansen's BLOG (of libcss fame) re: where do you get DRM >free >music: > >"Audiobubble Music Store http://www.theaudiobubble.com/ >February 16th, 2006 at 2:05 am >I received an email from the Audiobubble team about their online music >store. > >"Audiobubble isn’t your average online music store. >It began in early 2005, when two musicians, Shaun Russell and Tom Chambers, >decided to create a music service that was fair to artists and fair to >customers. Tired of puny 30 second previews, lack of customer trust and >lack >of freedom for the artist, they created the Audiobubble concept. >We don’t use DRM because we know it isn’t consumer friendly. Shame that >Napster, iTunes and other online music giants can’t wake up to this fact. >Audiobubble is about freedom. Join the revolution! > >"I signed up for an account and was listening to previews in no time under >Ubuntu Linux. The only information asked for during signup was email, >username and password. > >"Payment is handled through PayPal, so if you don’t have a PayPal account >and >refuse to sign up for one you’re out of luck. > >"Other online stores that sell music files without DRM: Magnatune, Bleep, >Mindawn, Audio Lunchbox. > >-- > >Steve Szmidt It's too bad that Audiobubble does not provide music in patent-free audio formats like Ogg Vorbis or FLAC. Besides the additional freedom that these other formats provide, there is a technical advantage as well. MP3 cannot handle gapless tracks and its method for storing metadata (ID v2/3) is not as flexible (e.g. there can only be 1 artist field). -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 14:18:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QIIa4Q028075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:18:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4QIIaGP028074 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:18:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QIIaei028070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:18:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QIIajA031526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:18:36 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4QIIJcS027133 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:18:19 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4QIIIgo002324 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 14:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slicing a file In-Reply-To: <20060526143952.GA3108@frey> Message-ID: References: <44768D0E.9040304@quillandmouse.com> <20060526143952.GA3108@frey> X-GetARealMailreader: Spake Paul M Foster on Friday, May 26, 2006 at 01:07AM -0400: >> Here's what I need to do (sometimes): Take a text file and split it into >> pieces. The split command won't work for this, because the pieces may >> not be equal. For example, I may want to split an 8000 line file into >> pieces 2000, 3000 and 3000 lines each. I'm willing to run the same >> command multiple times with different parameters, but whatever I use >> needs to be some common command expected to be there on any system. I've >> looked at split, head and tail. I suspect I can do this with sed or awk, >> but I'm not very familiar with those two, beyond rudimentary use. Can >> anyone suggest a solution? >> > > #!/usr/bin/perl > use strict; > use warnings; > use IO::File; > > die "usage: ginsu.pl file lines..." if @ARGV < 2; See, some people denigrate perl as a "write-only language", but I find this quite understandable. I couldn't write or debug it, but I can see about how it works. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII chrcter. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." - Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 22:02:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R22kVc031692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4R22kJw031691 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R22kU9031687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R22jwB026797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:45 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R22Sgg031126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:29 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fjo8E-00036b-RL for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:25 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fjo7v-0001NV-OA for slug@nks.net; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:20 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8B43C1E28; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:02:18 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] The Musical Fruit Message-ID: <20060527020218.GA2769@frey> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Tue May 23 22:00:33 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri May 26 22:59:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R2x0rp032070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:59:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4R2x0pd032069 for slug-track29; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:59:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R2wxbZ032065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:58:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R2wxwQ030897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:58:59 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.199]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R2whvr025523 for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 22:58:44 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id f1so187829nzc for ; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:58:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KGZlPagGJrS2sZpTK386gbm3SJKzcFWFyfM+20VYzkmx6LpehkPF3Uxi5VX9Yfwlye4sWvRbPr6W1XasNhjZF3PEmWTuTyAxD6HdEsStmOz7exUAsAnl1cT9PRvMeR+2T4HL1yqBZySkWoXfchDPMfvs+ghfg7esibpuB2zsFFs= Received: by 10.36.147.8 with SMTP id u8mr83537nzd; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.120.2 with HTTP; Fri, 26 May 2006 19:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860605261958u756b25b9n7e37b4db8d9226aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 22:58:42 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Musical Fruit In-Reply-To: <20060527020218.GA2769@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8890_27557475.1148698722351" References: <20060527020218.GA2769@frey> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.683, required 6, AWL -1.04, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_8890_27557475.1148698722351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 5/26/06, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > > We've recently had a thought-provoking discussion in #slug.fl, which is > very > relevant to the open source community: > > http://hardison.net/perlhaq-beans I want my 5 secs back! 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On 5/26/06, = Dylan William Hardison <dylan@= hardison.net> wrote:
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http://hardison.net/p= erlhaq-beans
 
I want my 5 secs back! With interest too

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 27 00:19:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R4JZNN000347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:19:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4R4JZYf000346 for slug-track29; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:19:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R4JYpg000342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:19:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R4JX8b004014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:19:34 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f11.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.21]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4R4JHgb011689 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 00:19:18 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 May 2006 21:19:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 May 2006 04:19:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.59.15.34] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20060527020218.GA2769@frey> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] The Musical Fruit Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 04:19:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2006 04:19:17.0273 (UTC) FILETIME=[B8143890:01C68144] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.299, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net We've recently had a thought-provoking discussion in #slug.fl, which is very relevant to the open source community: http://hardison.net/perlhaq-beans -- "I remember when, granpaw use to say, 'Grandson, these be the good old days." -- David "Ziggy" Marley, "Good Old Days" (song) - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 27 09:39:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4RDdoSv004919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:39:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4RDdoGq004918 for slug-track29; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:39:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4RDdoaG004914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:39:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4RDdlbJ012612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:39:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4RDdUQ0016646 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:39:30 -0400 Received: from pc (65-123.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.94.123.65]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4RDdTve018930 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 09:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] DMA off? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <33614.216.134.200.78.1148397705.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <53262.216.134.200.78.1148400281.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <52483.216.134.200.78.1148403067.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-GetARealMailreader: On Tue, 23 May 2006, Eben King wrote: > >> so I'll see how it goes tonight. > > It didn't get an error last night, and I did "cat /dev/hda > /dev/null", "cat > /dev/hdb > /dev/null", and "cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb" twice. Well, I used dd > instead of cat, but same idea. I don't know whether it was the power cycle > or the cable change that did it. Anyhow, I'll see if it acts up again later. OK, it did this, and that's with the replacement (flat) cable: May 27 06:12:10 pc kernel: hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61 May 27 06:12:10 pc kernel: hdb: DMA timeout error May 27 06:12:10 pc kernel: hdb: dma timeout error: status=0xd0 { Busy } May 27 06:12:10 pc kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown May 27 06:12:10 pc kernel: hda: DMA disabled May 27 06:12:10 pc kernel: hdb: DMA disabled May 27 06:12:10 pc kernel: ide0: reset: success I'll rewire the devices to separate cables to make sure it's hdb alone, but it looks like it is. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar Two atoms are walking along. Suddenly, one stops. The other says, "What's wrong?" "I've lost an electron." "Are you sure?" "I'm positive!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 27 22:56:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S2ucJ3011247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:56:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4S2uckb011246 for slug-track29; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:56:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S2ubhC011242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:56:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S2ubq0028702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:56:37 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S2uJvp009550 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:56:19 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.64.16]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZY0045AG5P45B4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 22:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders vs verizon.net In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 27 May 2006, Steven Buehler wrote: > On 5/27/06, Eben King wrote: >> >> I just switched over to FiOS (from verizon.net). Their NNTP, POP and >> SMTP servers require authentication. OK, how do I enable those? At >> least pine asks me for username/password for the SMTP server (that's how >> I'm able to send this). There was always a password on the POP server, >> so no change for fetchmail. But trn barfs on their news server, > Pine also access NNTP. Why therefore use trn? Because I like using a powerful, terse, newsreader. Yes, power * friendliness is often a constant. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat May 27 23:52:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S3qGJ8011695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:52:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4S3qGlk011694 for slug-track29; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:52:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S3qAAc011689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:52:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S3qAd9031265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:52:10 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S3puMt014062 for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 23:51:56 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.64.16]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZY004ZGIQI4DE4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:51:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 23:51:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders vs verizon.net In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 27 May 2006, Eben King wrote: > I just switched over to FiOS (from verizon.net). Their NNTP, POP and SMTP > servers require authentication. OK, how do I enable those? At least pine > asks me for username/password for the SMTP server (that's how I'm able to > send this). There was always a password on the POP server, so no change for > fetchmail. But trn barfs on their news server, saying > > Connecting to news...Done. > Failed to open news server news: > 480 Authentication Required Figured it out. I make/modify .trn/access so it has: [default] NNTP Server = news.verizon.net Auth User = myUsername Auth Password = myPassword make sure NNTPSERVER is not set (I'm not sure that it is right now), remove the list of "read" articles in ~/.newsrc and start again (or don't remove them and start with everything marked "read"), and Robert's your mother's brother. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 00:20:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S4Kqf4011999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 00:20:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4S4Kqxi011998 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 00:20:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S4KpwP011994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 00:20:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S4KpXp002181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 00:20:51 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.196]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S4Kd6F012627 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 00:20:40 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so273640hug for ; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ju13O1HLa/nbcxAKwGiYl8d1hHSpAg1NQXK1jFRHLEywP/cmhakFknIBwbxsrOnSpzV1jPsYMZehEvOJxmmxYjo4JjRWk9BLl5iXMGVV4xwP7VTB/sue6Cy5D0RA/I9VOJ7OPNL7YHtvhT6Uw9q5gigvnEJJHRJDX+hnxp5TxL0= Received: by 10.48.213.8 with SMTP id l8mr747654nfg; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Sat, 27 May 2006 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605272120w124e6327j3b896000a410212e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 00:20:38 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Google's Picasa, web server data MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.349, required 6, AWL 1.65, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anyone tried the "Picasa for Linux" on Google? Thought I would give it a try and see how it works, it is a version that runs under modified wine. Also what is the command that returns the data on a web server, i.e. server type, address etc. ? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 01:40:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S5dxgm012609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 01:40:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4S5dxZS012608 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 01:39:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S5dxPx012604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 01:39:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S5dwGl008299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 01:39:58 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f9.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.98]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S5dkwG025526 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 01:39:46 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 May 2006 22:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 05:39:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 01:39:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2006 05:39:45.0652 (UTC) FILETIME=[206E2340:01C68219] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.7, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.70, BAYES_50 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm writing a little project in C and have hit a wall. Let's say I have Functions A, B, C, & D. How can I make A dynamically call B, C or D based on a keyword in a text file *without* A knowing the exact names of functions B, C or D beforehand? Is there some trick I can do with #define, enum and function pointers? Or perhaps some other way to go about it? The goal is to make it easy to add new functions to the program without having to continually modify all the functions that might call them. Perhaps I am overly complicating things with abstraction but I am still curious to see if it can be done. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 02:23:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S6NJ0W013002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:23:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4S6NJ38013001 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:23:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S6NIh4012997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:23:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S6NI3k012259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:23:18 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S6N2qN021957 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 02:23:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([71.251.64.16]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IZY00I62PQ81G34@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 28 May 2006 01:22:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 02:22:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 28 May 2006, Sick Twist wrote: > I'm writing a little project in C and have hit a wall. Let's say I have > Functions A, B, C, & D. How can I make A dynamically call B, C or D based on > a keyword in a text file *without* A knowing the exact names of functions B, > C or D beforehand? > > Is there some trick I can do with #define, enum and function pointers? Or > perhaps some other way to go about it? The goal is to make it easy to add new > functions to the program without having to continually modify all the > functions that might call them. > > Perhaps I am overly complicating things with abstraction but I am still > curious to see if it can be done. In some course I took in the last year or two, the professor briefly covered functions as arguments to a function. That sounds like it'll do what you want. But darned if I can find the notes. And I'll try to be more vague in the future. :-) But maybe that gives you a pointer. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 03:43:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S7h4pS013612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:43:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4S7h4Xk013611 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:43:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S7h3HW013607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:43:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S7h3N0019460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:43:03 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4S7gdMd030800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:42:40 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FkFv4-0002rX-JK for slug@nks.net; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:42:38 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5B056C19 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 03:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4479546C.8010003@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:42:36 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.409, required 6, AWL 0.52, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sick Twist wrote: > I'm writing a little project in C and have hit a wall. Let's say I have > Functions A, B, C, & D. How can I make A dynamically call B, C or D > based on a keyword in a text file *without* A knowing the exact names of > functions B, C or D beforehand? > > Is there some trick I can do with #define, enum and function pointers? > Or perhaps some other way to go about it? The goal is to make it easy to > add new functions to the program without having to continually modify > all the functions that might call them. > > Perhaps I am overly complicating things with abstraction but I am still > curious to see if it can be done. > If I understand you correctly (and that's a 50/50 proposition), it seems like you could set up an array of function pointers, and then pass the array to function A. So that if function A sees keyword 'alfa', it calls the first member of the array. If it sees 'bravo', it calls the second member of the function pointer array. Etc. From the problem statement, it really only sounds like you need one level of indirection for the function calls. Does that help? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 10:32:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SEWt9L016926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:32:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4SEWtXb016925 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:32:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SEWtUZ016921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:32:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SEWtX7020168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:32:55 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f21.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.31]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SEWWJP001913 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:32:32 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 28 May 2006 07:32:31 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 14:32:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4479546C.8010003@quillandmouse.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:32:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 May 2006 14:32:31.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DD88BB0:01C68263] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Paul M Foster >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C >Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:42:36 -0400 > >If I understand you correctly (and that's a 50/50 proposition), it seems >like you could set up an array of function pointers, and then pass the >array to function A. So that if function A sees keyword 'alfa', it calls >the first member of the array. If it sees 'bravo', it calls the second >member of the function pointer array. Etc. From the problem statement, it >really only sounds like you need one level of indirection for the function >calls. > >Does that help? > >-- >Paul M. Foster That certainly sounds very close to what I would like but I still need to figure out a way to convert the keyword read from the file to the appropriate index number for the array of function pointers while only needing to keep one list of keywords in the program: /* ideally keep keywords in one place */ #DEFINE ANIMALS LION, TIGER, BEAR enum { ANIMALS, TOTAL } /* set up array of function pointers */ void (*func_ptr_array[TOTAL]) (void); void func1 () { ... /* call me for LION */ func_ptr_array[LION] = &func1; ... } void func2 () { ... /* call me for TIGER */ func_ptr_array[TIGER] = &func2; ... } void func3 () { ... /* call me for BEAR */ func_ptr_array[BEAR] = &func3; ... } void main () { ... /* This is where I am stuck. How do I use ANIMALS and TOTAL somehow for main to call the appriate function based on what it finds in a file. I know I need some sort of string->integer lookup but I just can't seem to figure it out: animal_string = file_file_contents (); ??? func_ptr_array[animal_integer]; ... } I thought about changing the #DEFINE to something like this #DEFINE ANIMALS (ARG) LION ARG TIGER ARG BEAR so that it could be passed a , from enum and "," from main. That way main could use ANIMALS to initialize an array of strings for the lookup. Is there a more simple way to achieve the same thing? -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 11:39:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SFdXFM017435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4SFdXDZ017434 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SFdWPK017430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SFdWFW024514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:32 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SFd80q017245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:08 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FkNMA-0000oM-71 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:06 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6235E56C19 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4479C418.1020106@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:04 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.668, required 6, AWL 0.18, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_64 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sick Twist wrote: >> From: Paul M Foster >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: slug@nks.net >> Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C >> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 03:42:36 -0400 >> >> If I understand you correctly (and that's a 50/50 proposition), it >> seems like you could set up an array of function pointers, and then >> pass the array to function A. So that if function A sees keyword >> 'alfa', it calls the first member of the array. If it sees 'bravo', it >> calls the second member of the function pointer array. Etc. From the >> problem statement, it really only sounds like you need one level of >> indirection for the function calls. >> >> Does that help? >> >> -- >> Paul M. Foster > > That certainly sounds very close to what I would like but I still need > to figure out a way to convert the keyword read from the file to the > appropriate index number for the array of function pointers while only > needing to keep one list of keywords in the program: > > /* ideally keep keywords in one place */ > #DEFINE ANIMALS LION, TIGER, BEAR > > enum { > ANIMALS, > TOTAL } > > /* set up array of function pointers */ > void (*func_ptr_array[TOTAL]) (void); > > void func1 () { > ... > /* call me for LION */ > func_ptr_array[LION] = &func1; > ... > } > > void func2 () { > ... > /* call me for TIGER */ > func_ptr_array[TIGER] = &func2; > ... > } > > void func3 () { > ... > /* call me for BEAR */ > func_ptr_array[BEAR] = &func3; > ... > } > > void main () { > ... > /* This is where I am stuck. How do I use ANIMALS and TOTAL > somehow for main to call the appriate function based on what it finds > in a file. I know I need some sort of string->integer lookup but I > just can't seem to figure it out: > > animal_string = file_file_contents (); > ??? > func_ptr_array[animal_integer]; > ... > } > > I thought about changing the #DEFINE to something like this > > #DEFINE ANIMALS (ARG) LION ARG TIGER ARG BEAR > > so that it could be passed a , from enum and "," from main. That way > main could use ANIMALS to initialize an array of strings for the lookup. > Is there a more simple way to achieve the same thing? > I've seen something like this done before, but it was done by keeping an array of words and a separate enum that had to stay in sync. typedef enum indexes { ALFA, BRAVO, CHARLIE, DELTA, ECHO, FOXTROT }; const char words { "alfa", "bravo", "charlie", "delta", "echo", "foxtrot", NULL }; Ultimately, the programmer wrote an external program to generate header files based on a single input file. That is, the user would create a text file with what he needed in it, and the program would generate these header files based on it, which you'd reference in your program on a recompile. The reference is "C Database Development" by Al Stevens. He also wrote "C++ Database Development", but I don't recall the C++ using the same technique. Anyway, the purpose of the external program was (among other things) to keep these two arrays in sync. You could probably eliminate the enum and change it to an array of function pointers. Personally, I've never had to do this kind of thing, and run in roiling terror at the idea of function pointers, so I can't provide a real example of doing this. I'd probably have to study for half an hour just to remember the syntax for function pointers (shiver). In any case, you could iterate over the array of "words" until you find a match. Something like: /* word on text file is the variable "srch" */ i = 0; found = 0; while (words[i] != NULL) { if (0 == strstr(srch, words[i])) { found = 1; break; } i++; } /* i = index of the word found (or not ;-) * fp is an array of function pointers */ if (found) { fp[i]; } Something like that. Sorry, I've been writing PHP for months and I tend to forget precise C syntax after a while if I haven't coded in it. (BTW, change your call to void main() to int main(). The standard says it has to return an int, and people bitch if you don't.) -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 17:26:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SLQsBS020098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:26:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4SLQsni020097 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:26:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SLQrsh020093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:26:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SLQrjg010567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:26:53 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (beginyourfear.com [207.210.106.197] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SLQVaf016140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:26:32 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FkSmM-0003ul-61 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=hardison.net) by titania.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FkMeP-0002Xk-Pj for slug@nks.net; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:54:10 -0400 Received: by hardison.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DCDF01E33; Sun, 28 May 2006 10:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:54:13 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C Message-ID: <20060528145413.GA2691@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Thu May 25 10:20:05 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 10:20:05 up 15 min, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.07, 0.08 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 X-Scan-Signature: 62d3f5a7d5ea523a75a671b7e9bb5bb4 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.254, required 6, AWL -0.46, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_54 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Jonathon Conte on Sunday, May 28, 2006 at 01:39AM -0400: > I'm writing a little project in C and have hit a wall. Let's say I have > Functions A, B, C, & D. How can I make A dynamically call B, C or D based > on a keyword in a text file *without* A knowing the exact names of > functions B, C or D beforehand? > > Is there some trick I can do with #define, enum and function pointers? Or > perhaps some other way to go about it? The goal is to make it easy to add > new functions to the program without having to continually modify all the > functions that might call them. > > Perhaps I am overly complicating things with abstraction but I am still > curious to see if it can be done. > If you need this level of expressivity, C is not the ideal language. The best you can get in C would be a hashtable of function pointers, and this is not very pretty. Nevertheless... A hashtable of function pointers will work. I would recommend using the "glib" (Note: Note glibc). http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/index.html Specifically, we can use its GHashTable data structure and functions. http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/glib-Hash-Tables.html Here's an example program that you should be able to modify to your liking: --- funhash.c --- #include #include /* compile with something like: * gcc -o funhash `pkg-config glib-2.0 --libs --cflags` funhash.c */ /* * gboolean is the same as bool, except it exists on all platforms glib support. * gpointer is the same as void * */ typedef gboolean (*Callback)(gpointer); void defun(GHashTable *hash, char *name, Callback callback) { g_assert(hash != NULL); g_assert(name != NULL); g_assert(callback != NULL); g_hash_table_insert(hash, (gpointer) name, (gpointer) callback); } gboolean apply(GHashTable *hash, char *name, char *arg) { Callback callback; g_assert(hash != NULL); g_assert(name != NULL); callback = (Callback) g_hash_table_lookup(hash, (gpointer) name); return callback(arg); } gboolean fun_a(char *msg) { printf("A: %s\n", msg); } gboolean fun_b(char *msg) { printf("B: %s\n", msg); } gboolean fun_c(char *msg) { printf("C: %s\n", msg); } int main(char *argv, int argc) { GHashTable *funs = g_hash_table_new(g_str_hash, g_str_equal); defun(funs, "A", (Callback) fun_a); defun(funs, "B", (Callback) fun_b); defun(funs, "C", (Callback) fun_c); apply(funs, "C", "foo"); apply(funs, "B", "bar"); apply(funs, "A", "baz"); return 0; } /* EOF */ -- Entropy requires no maintenance. -- Markoff Chaney - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 19:48:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SNmGFY021171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:48:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4SNmGfV021170 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:48:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SNmFeY021166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:48:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SNmFwe019538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:48:15 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.206]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4SNlx0H023874 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:48:00 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so378588hug for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:47:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cJPiiqYAv8M3byBqEnwAqHZcUc/0yjg2AelFezVRjqCrVZU7/PCtM5aTYdvlVXR5PzoZHHQWJp0v/ZH2ZGVvccF4jL56ktNtQqtC7Kps8V8QTktl3z/4xWW3jpbKDEiBIpKuCJxT61SoUdBKNv93SSazD4aGZZe3IgffrLsd9sc= Received: by 10.48.225.3 with SMTP id x3mr889331nfg; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 16:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 19:47:57 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.301, required 6, AWL 0.70, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/18/06, chris lee wrote: > unless your buying from a reputable company, amazon or ebay for > instance you shouldnt have to pay to download. > > you can find 7th voyage of sinbad at the following link, it is a > torrent so download azureus then this. > > http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3476219 <-- PAL DVD, playable > on a computer or a DVD player that can handle PAL. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- How long should this thing take to download? I am running on a roadrunner soho service so it should not take too many days to pull it down B-] I was trying to use ktorrent, but the app just went blank on me and does not look like it pulled much down. Any pointers to this. The video is 4.3G in size which is about the size of a linux DVD if I recall correctly. It sure did not take any time to pull that down. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 20:08:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T08lOe021350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:08:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T08lS5021349 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:08:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T08lk3021345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:08:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T08kBZ020559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:08:46 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T08YT5001919 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:08:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([72.64.213.246]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0000KW031P6H10@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:08:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:08:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-reply-to: <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 28 May 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/18/06, chris lee wrote: >> unless your buying from a reputable company, amazon or ebay for >> instance you shouldnt have to pay to download. >> >> you can find 7th voyage of sinbad at the following link, it is a >> torrent so download azureus then this. >> >> http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3476219 <-- PAL DVD, playable >> on a computer or a DVD player that can handle PAL. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > How long should this thing take to download? I am running on a roadrunner > soho service so it should not take too many days to pull it down B-] > > I was trying to use ktorrent, but the app just went blank on me and does > not look like it pulled much down. Any pointers to this. The video is 4.3G > in size which is about the size of a linux DVD if I recall correctly. It > sure did not take any time to pull that down. Rate depends on the connection between you and the other party, how heavily loaded the site is, as well as other factors. Roughly, on BT downloads, expect 10-100 KB/s. Don't you get an ETA, or at least a throughput rate so you can calculate it? If all else fails, get something like gkrellm and eyeball it. Heck, even "ifconfig eth0" gives you numbers you can work with: RX bytes:151637132 (144.6 MiB) TX bytes:11124063 (10.6 MiB) Run it twice, some (known) number of seconds apart, subtract, divide by the number, presto -- throughput. -- The powers in charge keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not furnish the sums demanded. Yet these disasters seem never to have been quite real. -- D. MacArthur ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 20:50:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T0oYYk021671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:50:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T0oY6h021670 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:50:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T0oYAu021666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:50:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T0oXt0022329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:50:33 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.200]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T0oI7m013602 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 20:50:19 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so382750hug for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:50:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nCVttHfYZuk7Y3kWnPku2e/rf5k0BlAXyjD81Y+0h9grzIDeMepQfNxZehMQF7AcvVzLknztvs5fFd/3dQFvUj5wxESO++Sl2ckrY4ONfC2hHGgqBLbpIauV2lqDGPOAF0NKJWRPs7cPSPnRt6MguKR+lIubkff+YxoPsxGDDt0= Received: by 10.49.33.13 with SMTP id l13mr1372395nfj; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 20:50:17 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.507, required 6, AWL 0.09, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/28/06, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 28 May 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 5/18/06, chris lee wrote: > >> unless your buying from a reputable company, amazon or ebay for > >> instance you shouldnt have to pay to download. > >> > >> you can find 7th voyage of sinbad at the following link, it is a > >> torrent so download azureus then this. > >> > >> http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3476219 <-- PAL DVD, playable > >> on a computer or a DVD player that can handle PAL. > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > How long should this thing take to download? I am running on a roadrunner > > soho service so it should not take too many days to pull it down B-] > > > > I was trying to use ktorrent, but the app just went blank on me and does > > not look like it pulled much down. Any pointers to this. The video is 4.3G > > in size which is about the size of a linux DVD if I recall correctly. It > > sure did not take any time to pull that down. > > Rate depends on the connection between you and the other party, how heavily > loaded the site is, as well as other factors. Roughly, on BT downloads, > expect 10-100 KB/s. Don't you get an ETA, or at least a throughput rate so > you can calculate it? If all else fails, get something like gkrellm and > eyeball it. Heck, even "ifconfig eth0" gives you numbers you can work with: > > RX bytes:151637132 (144.6 MiB) TX bytes:11124063 (10.6 MiB) > > Run it twice, some (known) number of seconds apart, subtract, divide by the > number, presto -- throughput. > I have gkrellm running and it also shows the speed for each server it is downloading from but it ran all night and only pulled down 67m.... I think I pulled down a SuSE 10 DVD iso in a couple of hours and that was a 4 G file. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 21:36:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1avHe022044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:36:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T1av5O022043 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:36:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1avAr022039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:36:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1au5J024428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:36:57 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1ai0b027686 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:36:45 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so69804uge for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:36:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=guIw33eJQdSWXd4cDjcGvEiggm9FxBytCZpJhymvwtlpKn0Xh3+pGcjAspdVnvn4YtSSjfpYOa43yFWSGCVhzU8LUz2zRAHul+FbMD7raP2ccNoOWpBofxOhz4PGxXeH76EnNmwySoVMhy21VR2FFG1s/PVZJF0kqBm28QDg3yk= Received: by 10.78.47.15 with SMTP id u15mr296695huu; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 21:36:43 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.292, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.31, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net it depends on the seeders and the peers. sometimes i download at .1kB/s like on that fritz the cat, sometimes i download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. id all depends on where your getting it from. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 21:42:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1gv3h022100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:42:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T1gvuX022099 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:42:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1gvOh022095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:42:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1gvZ0024742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:42:57 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.201]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1geKG028092 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:42:41 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so386729hug for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:42:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DNJwQI+96qMig8J54dsnL/v8RozMt0hfZb+jnhV8OdBdD5VttalYgURbme1cMqgQcQbl1FuF8WpveaHXMfVUc4SGvNEz8w3QemOtiGRD7WvqHmSeqq90xZtpp2HPVYjXKHwxLJQJI2dRfg1wErCnZYfFJulA3Mlwe+ir1RyqW5s= Received: by 10.48.217.15 with SMTP id p15mr1352328nfg; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 18:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 21:42:39 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/28/06, chris lee wrote: > it depends on the seeders and the peers. > > sometimes i download at .1kB/s like on that fritz the cat, sometimes i > download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. > > > id all depends on where your getting it from. I guess that it is the nature of the beast, I had to start over and it is giving me the same speeds. I am trying to figure out if I have to do anything else here to tweek things but guess not. I will just keep at it and try to get all of the bits and pieces downloaded. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 21:55:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1tJ6i022175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:55:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T1tJxe022174 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:55:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1tIbX022170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:55:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1tIXo025184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:55:18 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T1t7pY002270 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:55:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060529015506.FBLR8328.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: <447A633A.3020604@cox.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 21:58:02 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.051, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.55, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> sometimes i >> download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. >> > > I guess that it is the nature of the beast, ... 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 22:06:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T26Kwa022309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:06:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T26K5h022308 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:06:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T26JjE022304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:06:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T26I3L026182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:06:18 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T262nd030091 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:06:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([72.64.213.246]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0000LL28I1PLP1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 28 May 2006 21:06:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:06:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-reply-to: <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200605180031.28576.jasonb@edseek.com> <620c90570605172139x6ce2c3eak4bc540d8bcf879e4@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 28 May 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/28/06, chris lee wrote: >> it depends on the seeders and the peers. >> >> sometimes i download at .1kB/s like on that fritz the cat, sometimes i >> download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. >> >> >> id all depends on where your getting it from. > > I guess that it is the nature of the beast, I had to start over and it is > giving me the same speeds. > > I am trying to figure out if I have to do anything else here to tweek things > but guess not. > > I will just keep at it and try to get all of the bits and pieces downloaded. As long as it's still coming in, no matter at what rate, don't worry. If it stops for a long time, THEN worry. -- -eben ebQenW1@EtaRmpTabYayU.rIr.OcoPm home.tampabay.rr.com/hactar LEO: Now is not a good time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss' face, oh no. Eat a bucket of tuna-flavored pudding and wash it down with a gallon of strawberry Quik. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 22:16:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2Gsqk022445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T2Gsmg022444 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2Grgq022440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2Gr8o027828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:53 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.200]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2GfB9003204 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:42 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so389353hug for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nPRyefD+nY5OfAEBynFQ8hYBrhbLv4zz9d9zjIvfp7tptbPxShmBAHHMjjG+1aqAi+MPs5lAaLsX0BG6BMYcf33zP/sCc1oxUzu4Rt7piSQ8LkEPKHioriys5PN8b8xfGN55BNC6Hj/NPPGLca87uVka1lw2oi08aZtRwgUtKrc= Received: by 10.48.3.20 with SMTP id 20mr1363023nfc; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605281916i37e1bf4fsfc46af119aef127@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:16:40 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <447A633A.3020604@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <447A633A.3020604@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.858, required 6, AWL 0.44, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/28/06, michael hast wrote: > > >> sometimes i > >> download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. > >> > > > > I guess that it is the nature of the beast, ... > > > (no pun intended, I'm sure...) Not really but it sure fell that way didn't it? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 22:18:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2Ietg022465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:18:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T2IdmO022464 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:18:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2Id7f022460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:18:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2Idx7027917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:18:39 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.201]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2IKUX020958 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:18:21 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so389476hug for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:18:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LnRyB6xW4B+26ylFnrVR3N255Hmg3PNJawAhLpZR2ReqYsE8Hg4R9X6i5ezyiF9ybgdYYnCp+f73aMwwmx5vKqHqrI1za+xqS5jLbHWJueUD0rIPDPksi0B4pCHUeJpI95Boxef49IPnBoMjAcKnZ8/2fUNYodKmRvhiCTDDkDI= Received: by 10.49.33.13 with SMTP id l13mr1403278nfj; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:18:19 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.522, required 6, AWL 1.03, BAYES_05 -1.11, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/28/06, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 28 May 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 5/28/06, chris lee wrote: > >> it depends on the seeders and the peers. > >> > >> sometimes i download at .1kB/s like on that fritz the cat, sometimes i > >> download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. > >> > >> > >> id all depends on where your getting it from. > > > > I guess that it is the nature of the beast, I had to start over and it is > > giving me the same speeds. > > > > I am trying to figure out if I have to do anything else here to tweek things > > but guess not. > > > > I will just keep at it and try to get all of the bits and pieces downloaded. > > As long as it's still coming in, no matter at what rate, don't worry. If it > stops for a long time, THEN worry. > Well, I got up this morning and found that the ktorrent window was just blank, something had died in the app gui, I am trying it again and also trying to see if I can tweek things somewhat, but it appears that the speed is the server side. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun May 28 22:24:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2OGiT022531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:24:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4T2OGUv022530 for slug-track29; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:24:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2OGmQ022526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:24:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2OGnx028432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:24:16 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4T2NsDU008849 for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 22:23:55 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so78335uge for ; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bq0itOV2ZJTpkT2fViljB98b3yj0BD5bpE269jslW1JkVcwvCI4YQzMLhPjajSO7zzGzE5E8V/VUAjdK2/EM7ssEciwFCZf2/XK3+IfAqQbesHdXwOd3QfAisiQ0Zf6KeOUBRjtVu2TXwIz5Q11pfu1VuMiuQaTqrWk5KJBLGt0= Received: by 10.78.29.13 with SMTP id c13mr298130huc; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Sun, 28 May 2006 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 22:23:54 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605172154x2fc7307dv7ff8a29fbb705b19@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.611, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.50, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net there is no server. bittorrent works like a map showing you where a file is, you download it from other users. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 08:18:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TCIujX027258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:18:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TCIu9c027257 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:18:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TCItsh027253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:18:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TCItKX004873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:18:55 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TCIFBU029464 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:18:15 -0400 Received: from arthur ([71.100.238.69]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0100DK20U5TIX4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:18:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 08:19:08 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200605290819.08353.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.444, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 28 May 2006 21:36, you wrote: > it depends on the seeders and the peers. > > sometimes i download at .1kB/s like on that fritz the cat, sometimes i > download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. > will you post the torrent link? -- 100% Microsoft free and loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 10:15:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEFkAq028125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:15:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TEFjTS028124 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:15:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEFjhw028120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:15:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEFju9010960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:15:45 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEFOfj008818 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:15:25 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so103208uge for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:15:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tuDjuA3b1ajXCf6DgmtjE6wmdsT/r1qNTf1MIlK+FMTpK0HYjE2W2H38Njn6fvBL53VA1TEXxjiTMmd3zlp5Y6onVontouTKrw3SYQB1EP5+jwRfwjISyf4MVIRpPxYtKem/lgZVSVXlRZrd9X5RzQY8BgtEfKUe7vssJG/rxrg= Received: by 10.78.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr378837huu; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:15:24 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <200605290819.08353.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <200605290819.08353.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.102, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.10, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net its on a private site, invite only. ill send you a link and code off list. sign up and use the search. On 5/29/06, Joe Brandt wrote: > On Sunday 28 May 2006 21:36, you wrote: > > it depends on the seeders and the peers. > > > > sometimes i download at .1kB/s like on that fritz the cat, sometimes i > > download at 1920kB/s like on X-Men 3 earlier this evening. > > > will you post the torrent link? > -- > 100% Microsoft free and loving it!! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=aW5keV9tdWFkZGli ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 10:49:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEnGcC028391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:49:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TEnGNt028390 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:49:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEnFu5028386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:49:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEnFeL012505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:49:15 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.196]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TEn6R7017702 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:49:07 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so478496hug for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kGvBTdrotjMuHvDq2ol31IqNUQ0EwdHi99dT8xDTlXqQjniEWJHtpSWiSxMQoqdIUn23pZ+/REznAIl3E0XaeV2XW9fzhvsxeSXwv9MNuuNTXVJouOgZHRmhchv40y9upIW0mEHsshaYigczZ01SyGiNY92Db8mTTz8VT5PJmTA= Received: by 10.48.246.5 with SMTP id t5mr1799083nfh; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 10:49:01 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/28/06, chris lee wrote: > there is no server. > > bittorrent works like a map showing you where a file is, you download > it from other users. Yes, bad choice of words. This morning the whole thing shows stalled and I am not getting a thing. It looks like there are up to about 9 sources that it is pulling the files from, but right now for some reason I am not getting a thing. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 11:26:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFQ2Sj028732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:26:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TFQ29e028731 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:26:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFQ1j8028723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:26:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFQ1Zl014484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:26:01 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFPjod003156 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:25:46 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so126417uge for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:25:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qmAHaKVl1OC6zgX+NX/Khmptpj6f8uWAzjo6gE2P4pdalLP1maHW0ubU1Xgmt1D9JqWz8FRnVO70z480yZ1h6eUeR6XvA2VcWN40HQSbTG3++jDiv9fuW2206uEwwnviUjr3EHY2Shise2rTU9D72tN0YiedOxjugn9S5B1+GjE= Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr402590hun; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:25:44 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281647h23400b60sb6bed77809a47884@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1, required 6, AWL -1.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net your download speed is dependent on yoru uplaod speed, its the way the protocol works. if you upload at 5kB/s youll get slow or no speeds, if you upload faster then the seeeders will prefer to send to you. my upload is set at 200kB/s and never goes below that. On 5/29/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/28/06, chris lee wrote: > > there is no server. > > > > bittorrent works like a map showing you where a file is, you download > > it from other users. > > Yes, bad choice of words. This morning the whole thing shows stalled and > I am not getting a thing. It looks like there are up to about 9 sources that it > is pulling the files from, but right now for some reason I am not getting a > thing. > > -- > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 11:39:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFdAgU028828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:39:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TFdAPS028827 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:39:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFdAf1028823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:39:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFd9N6015092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:39:09 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f10.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.20]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFcqWh010247 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:38:52 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 May 2006 08:38:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 15:38:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [SFD] Software Freedom Day 2006 Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:38:46 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 May 2006 15:38:51.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC737C10:01C68335] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Fellow Free software enthusiasts, Software Freedom Day[1] will take place this year on Saturday, September 16th. Some of you may recall the fabulous SFD events that members of SLUG organized and participated in last year. In 2005, both the Tampa[2] and Sarasota-Bradenton[3] SFD teams were very successful in educating the public about the existence of and benefits of using Free software. However, if there was one thing that we learned last year from the process, it is that SFD planning should begin well in advance in order to secure a location at which to hold the event, gather SFD materials, and invite the press and public to visit us on SFD. This year, I plan on working to organize a Tampa-based event for SFD and I welcome the help of any who would like to join me. However, if you are unable to be involved with the Tampa team, please take a look at the SFD Start Guide[4] and consider forming your own local team in order to spread awareness of Free software. The official SFD wiki* is a great way to collaborate SFD plans with other members of your team. Also, I suggest prefixing the subject of SFD-related e-mail with [SFD] on the SLUG list in order to ease filtering. Looking forward to September 16th, Jonathon Conte *There is a new, official wiki[5] for SFD this year. Those who registered last year will need to do so again this year in order to edit its pages. Our content on the old wiki is in the process of being moved to the new wiki. [1] http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ [2] http://softwarefreedomday.org/gallery/2005/Tampa [3] http://softwarefreedomday.org/gallery/2005/Sarasota-Bradenton [4] http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/StartGuide [5] http://softwarefreedomday.org/wiki ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 11:41:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFfFak028885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TFfFDB028884 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:41:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFfDUa028875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:41:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFf8EX015214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:41:08 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TFeWFS022529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 29 May 2006 11:40:33 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fkjr5-0004t5-Rc; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:40:31 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DA23756C1A; Mon, 29 May 2006 11:40:29 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060529154029.DA23756C1A@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 11:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.488, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** ********************* ***** CANCELLED ***** ********************* 29 May 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) J. J. Rohrer Sterling Square 600 First Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://maps.google.com/maps?q=600+First+Ave+N,+Saint+Petersburg,+FL&spn=0.017456,0.027210&hl=en for map. BRANDON ************************************************** 1 June 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 3 June 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 13 June 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 12:22:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGMIIr029270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TGMIe7029269 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGMItl029265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGMHYq017724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:18 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.207]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGM1tq023496 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:02 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so491259hug for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:22:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rei/Qx5ujqsR2cKU+mmp0VhFvehCUOAundEgt0Z3lV7L/9AL2DkfQXME6srGnV0P0c/d48T8uYPOBNb2YYzKon2bRLFuXrQg1ZZarlrKTBAJGAAoP1J5vRfmA7sbo98JutBLBrclhvD2aZsQ90fKtoZ6ReJsaxF9e2Cg85RIDNk= Received: by 10.48.206.12 with SMTP id d12mr1849495nfg; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605290922y4bff4dd3sf045916ab6fca00f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:22:00 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.601, required 6, AWL 2.00, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/06, chris lee wrote: > your download speed is dependent on yoru uplaod speed, its the way the > protocol works. > > if you upload at 5kB/s youll get slow or no speeds, if you upload > faster then the seeeders will prefer to send to you. > > my upload is set at 200kB/s and never goes below that. OK, I will go in and check it and set it wide open. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 12:23:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGNKUI029286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TGNKbH029285 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGNKVF029281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGNKsr017743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:20 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.205]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TGN8fB000929 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:09 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so491410hug for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:23:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p85V8p+OpiS5eEMspAC1igaz+CtVggFL2G5/teVXz5nh9IjaObg660zmk2yeH8TBHO3W6oWV2wrRvQrS1jLChqW4aW7DE0ojdLuTqPWbEWf9+CzlhZzzYkINXGqKXs0KTcgpbeUzTHd5BWNU4q2aSsY0z2IPwIH0bJ7/FbU53wA= Received: by 10.49.57.12 with SMTP id j12mr1428695nfk; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 09:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605290923i44e7937cs52c4cee20fb1bd07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 12:23:07 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605290922y4bff4dd3sf045916ab6fca00f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281750y3526ec31xd8fa98226f54ee7c@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290922y4bff4dd3sf045916ab6fca00f@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.415, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/29/06, chris lee wrote: > > your download speed is dependent on yoru uplaod speed, its the way the > > protocol works. > > > > if you upload at 5kB/s youll get slow or no speeds, if you upload > > faster then the seeeders will prefer to send to you. > > > > my upload is set at 200kB/s and never goes below that. > > > OK, I will go in and check it and set it wide open. Just as I sent this I got a error message saying that the tracker was down... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 13:07:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TH7OI7029625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:07:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TH7O6r029624 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:07:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TH7NR6029620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:07:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TH7N2Z020092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:07:23 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TH7AMD007873 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:07:11 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so165953uge for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:07:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kj22tO0lO4mo54fY1PvtTHpluwK06D5U0HyBh5vDWUKn36rGnjg7F9p/cG6V7izvW+Bl13KtslMh/rDdHdvW3p0LLgJBjfDKyFwkb6ukjqX/I37iWumjl+TooO8wbUkfqdTlxloDaGxuWRrF/f+fb3uQsE/qUBQS7AMrMXRKk+w= Received: by 10.78.67.20 with SMTP id p20mr439590hua; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 10:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:07:07 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605290923i44e7937cs52c4cee20fb1bd07@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290922y4bff4dd3sf045916ab6fca00f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290923i44e7937cs52c4cee20fb1bd07@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.759, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.84, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net happens every once in awhile. the site i work for goes down every few days because of mysql errors or ultra high loads. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 14:22:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TIMCrS030250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TIMCkv030249 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TIMCAE030245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TIMCTs023975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:12 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TIM0aO026019 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 14:22:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([72.64.213.246]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0100FS9HO4V0C2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:21:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] LAN config X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TK9x9g031048 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TK9xtw031044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TK9weW029747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:58 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.205]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TK9ok9029553 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:51 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so523176hug for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:09:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HgX6i/ULs0QNFiqbwG/p3D/tRa0gUn7BA69ZNOHVtPcGKzf2vEN27XJtQ6r93xF/pd/jHfTSdemGgD5GaTz4MnMeLCUEeQ8M1HKp+O0ohXXjK0k4gsFf9s9NDyB/pwCT5mfFpeWAdxuNQxb9dWI7S+fEB/m0o3yY7Zaeqgys4q4= Received: by 10.49.5.1 with SMTP id h1mr2005502nfi; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605291309y3708eec9t2f6168cd1438075b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:09:49 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281842m5f5df277hf053c68dcd41943@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290922y4bff4dd3sf045916ab6fca00f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290923i44e7937cs52c4cee20fb1bd07@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.461, required 6, AWL 0.86, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/06, chris lee wrote: > happens every once in awhile. > > the site i work for goes down every few days because of mysql errors > or ultra high loads. > ------------------------------------------- Just tried to download another file and got the same error, so the whole thing must be broke. Hope that they get it up and running soon. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 16:15:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TKFhVv031093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4TKFho2031092 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TKFg4d031088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TKFgq7029975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:42 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4TKFVUo015131 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:31 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so243631uge for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VAT+B8Hbr6i1hMvOkeV9GCamx8qUYtT6JT7aW42J7+GEDwl33kkBGhXwHH4q3I+Lm+21HU4RWyMzsxFEthOQ3JWWWyrFkd9fV7ocJ3SmfCzcZIvLoPnVLANZntAvOZNaxKEUlQY4pnxXJLYpx2WZacdlGOAL/echrGmjI6x4RRk= Received: by 10.78.39.16 with SMTP id m16mr472812hum; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 13:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 16:15:30 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: <620c90570605291309y3708eec9t2f6168cd1438075b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290922y4bff4dd3sf045916ab6fca00f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290923i44e7937cs52c4cee20fb1bd07@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605291309y3708eec9t2f6168cd1438075b@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.299, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net piratebay uses a cache system, it usually takes a few hours for you to work your way thru the queue and get an announce on a file. On 5/29/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/29/06, chris lee wrote: > > happens every once in awhile. > > > > the site i work for goes down every few days because of mysql errors > > or ultra high loads. > > ------------------------------------------- > > Just tried to download another file and got the same error, so the whole > thing must be broke. Hope that they get it up and running soon. > -- > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- ----- Fight back spam! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 21:44:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U1iwb9001145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4U1iw49001144 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U1ivKP001140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U1ivVn023207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:57 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U1ikPV013390 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:46 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FktHp-0002TC-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:44:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 21:43:49 -0400 Message-Id: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.438, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:21 -0400, Eben King wrote: > OK, all you networking gurus, try this. > > I've got this setup (irrelevant machines not shown): > > ( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address > | > D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID > | : | > | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server > | : > | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". > | > Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID > : > "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" > > So, what I would like is for "thinkpad-w" to access services on "pc" (ssh is > most important, as it can do file transfer). I'd most likely have to do > something to the Netgear router. Why have two routers? You only need one for this set up, right? You have to tell your D-Link router that you don't want everything going out to the internet any more. You want some stuff to stay within your network. Having the two routers, I believe you now have two networks...so you need to be able to have your two networks talk to each other...really I'd detach the netgear router all together, and connect the thinkpad-w to the D-Link router, and everyone should be happy again... Russell > Before we got FiOS, the Netgear router was the only one here, so there were > some incoming "virtual servers" (aka "port forwardings", I think) hanging > around. I deleted the "SSH" one, and made a 138-139 one. No change on > either one. There's no place to specify "TCP or UDP", so I don't know if > those were TCP only, or both, or what. > > Given the relevant ports for Samba, I might be able to beat the router into > shape. I'll have another look-see and see if I can convince it to pass > 80/TCP and 22/TCP. > > Any clues? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 22:07:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U275vm001337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:07:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4U275qh001336 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:07:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U274Nm001332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:07:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U274JI025173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:07:04 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U26oH3016470 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 22:06:50 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.197.17]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0200D56374RXD2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 29 May 2006 21:06:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 29 May 2006, Russell Hires wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 14:21 -0400, Eben King wrote: >> OK, all you networking gurus, try this. >> >> I've got this setup (irrelevant machines not shown): >> >> ( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address >> | >> D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID >> | : | >> | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server >> | : >> | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". >> | >> Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID >> : >> "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" >> >> So, what I would like is for "thinkpad-w" to access services on "pc" (ssh is >> most important, as it can do file transfer). I'd most likely have to do >> something to the Netgear router. > > Why have two routers? I already had one (Netgear). Then the second (D-Link) came "free" with FiOS. Besides, I have a mix of 802.11b and g devices. It is my understanding that yes, they can share the channel, but if they do so, all traffic on it slows down to b speeds (and stays slow for some time after the b device stops talking). With them on two separate routers, they can each run at their full speed. Also, if I were ever to copy between them, it would go twice as fast this way (radio is half-duplex). > You only need one for this set up, right? It's possible, but not optimal. > You have to tell your D-Link router that you don't want everything going > out to the internet any more. Um, why? What about the stuff that _should_ go out? > You want some stuff to stay within your network. Having the two routers, I > believe you now have two networks... I think so too. They're on separate /24s, 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x. > so you need to be able to have your two networks talk to each other... Yeah, I guess I need to tell it not to encapsulate the announce packets. Now if I could only figure out how to do that... > really I'd detach the netgear router all together, and connect the > thinkpad-w to the D-Link router, and everyone should be happy again... Except the 802.11g devices. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon May 29 23:39:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U3dpJK002062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:39:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4U3dpl2002061 for slug-track29; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:39:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U3dpK9002057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:39:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U3doI1032036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:39:51 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.206]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U3dUZ1030742 for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 23:39:30 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so594004hug for ; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:39:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D6DH2tq2dga+exjNS7aKRh1vmMx/veWhnp53BGgUk1aj80mttS2Ze75YYT1vIs/QuASgee7atI5BmE6sLIT9iulWaJKyYl2dIW1vcpWXwxhKxB5mZWnXx3hFqfZ0iB9r+GZhTHfvvRu6TO9QkxgCLQBUswnIMFcVoahxrZj6xvg= Received: by 10.49.33.18 with SMTP id l18mr2216193nfj; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Mon, 29 May 2006 20:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605292039n65f41d09mfed139eeea42cb63@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 23:39:28 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oopps Linux not supported In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570605172125u1ee61940leb46f8d409dce3bb@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605281918w41c6288alf08c1d56709a37b1@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290749s3c0b422bg1d1aa5882984e907@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290922y4bff4dd3sf045916ab6fca00f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605290923i44e7937cs52c4cee20fb1bd07@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605291309y3708eec9t2f6168cd1438075b@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.415, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/06, chris lee wrote: > piratebay uses a cache system, it usually takes a few hours for you to > work your way thru the queue and get an announce on a file. I am trying it again, I am still getting the same error. Indeed I am pulling down the SuSE 10.1 DVD with bittorrent and it is working just fine. I am getting speeds of about 78 kb/s. But when I try to get anything off of the video site, I am still getting nothing, indeed bittorrent reports that there are files which have a "incorrect name" not matching names in list or something like that. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 04:16:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U8GO7P004485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:16:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4U8GODs004484 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:16:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U8GO4M004480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:16:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U8GNnx024304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:16:24 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay20-f15.bay20.hotmail.com [64.4.54.104]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4U8G295019977 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 04:16:02 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 May 2006 01:16:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:16:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] LAN config Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 04:16:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 May 2006 08:16:01.0791 (UTC) FILETIME=[49DEE8F0:01C683C1] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: SLUG Mailing List >Subject: [SLUG] LAN config >Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:21:42 -0400 (EDT) > >OK, all you networking gurus, try this. > >I've got this setup (irrelevant machines not shown): > >( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address > | >D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID > | : | > | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server > | : > | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". > | >Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID > : > "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" > >So, what I would like is for "thinkpad-w" to access services on "pc" (ssh >is most important, as it can do file transfer). I'd most likely have to do >something to the Netgear router. > >Before we got FiOS, the Netgear router was the only one here, so there were >some incoming "virtual servers" (aka "port forwardings", I think) hanging >around. I deleted the "SSH" one, and made a 138-139 one. No change on >either one. There's no place to specify "TCP or UDP", so I don't know if >those were TCP only, or both, or what. > >Given the relevant ports for Samba, I might be able to beat the router into >shape. I'll have another look-see and see if I can convince it to pass >80/TCP and 22/TCP. > >Any clues? > >-- >-eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP I am by no means a networking guru, but it seems to me that the Netgear router needs to be reconfigured to be used as a switch. Connect the Netgear's Uplink port to one of the ports on the D-Link. Do not connect anything to the WAN port on the Netgear. There cannot be two DHCP servers running on the same network so disable the DHCP server on either the Netgear or the D-Link. Check the Netgear documentation to see if any other settings need to be changed in order for it to function as a switch. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 08:12:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCCJQ7006204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:12:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UCCJ7N006203 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:12:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCCJgu006199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:12:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCCJuE008330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:12:19 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCC08d004540 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:12:00 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so704308wra for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:12:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Xh7Jbg5AE8UE2aerlmcrIlPHXHeBjO9nJfGFA05aDZaeS7EC04gWRRaOx2AP1J4iJEH6euilyqrYv9v2yTtyh9lo01PCrKetS3Tv80LHMU4qQwyRr5BS0XLVavL1ENu9qVcTfp3FMMaG9FiUM0nk1PgvQxRxdT/vX/vhdCRnWyo= Received: by 10.65.145.15 with SMTP id x15mr1673532qbn; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.252.11 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 05:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d7397410605300512h52dc8af0ge76da92d2d8f6d8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:12:00 -0400 From: "Danny WIlliams" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/29/06, Eben King wrote: > ( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address > | > D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID > | : | > | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server > | : > | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". > | > Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID > : > "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" Does the D-Link have a static route back to the Netgear? If not, any traffic trying to get from pc to thinkpad will get sent out to the internet instead of over to the thinkpad via Netgear. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 08:27:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCRWDq006365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:27:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UCRWiG006364 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:27:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCRWYQ006360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:27:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCRVra009598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:27:32 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UCRJQx001193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:27:20 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UCUphg023338 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:30:51 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4UCUpJ6023337; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:30:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 08:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.478, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.12, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> OK, all you networking gurus, try this. >> >> I've got this setup (irrelevant machines not shown): >> >> ( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address >> | >> D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID >> | : | >> | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server >> | : >> | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". >> | >> Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID >> : >> "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" >> >> So, what I would like is for "thinkpad-w" to access services on "pc" (ssh is >> most important, as it can do file transfer). I'd most likely have to do >> something to the Netgear router. I have almost the identical configuration. Two approaches you can take: 1) Someone suggested putting the Netgear into a bridge mode. This will work, but you can't set it up with the Windows-loadable software; you need to drop directly into the web configuration page. -or- 2) Configure the netgear as a subnet on your D-Link primary LAN. This is what I'm using. My primary wired LAN is configured with a 192.168.1.x/24 address. I gave the Wireless router a static address on the primary, then configured its internal network as 192.168.8/25. I then set up rules to allow the wireless network to access specific devices on my primary LAN. One machine on my primary can remote manage the Netgear. In other words, my Wireless considers my primary to be the Internet, or WAN. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 12:29:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGTOfM008283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:29:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UGTOnG008282 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:29:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGTOKQ008278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:29:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGTONR025586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:29:24 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGT66N016221 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:29:06 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.197.17]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J03008J074HNUI0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 11:29:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 30 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: >>> OK, all you networking gurus, try this. >>> >>> I've got this setup (irrelevant machines not shown): >>> >>> ( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address >>> | >>> D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID >>> | : | >>> | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server >>> | : >>> | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". >>> | >>> Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID >>> : >>> "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" >>> >>> So, what I would like is for "thinkpad-w" to access services on "pc" >>> (ssh is most important, as it can do file transfer). I'd most likely >>> have to do something to the Netgear router. > > I have almost the identical configuration. Two approaches you can take: > > 1) Someone suggested putting the Netgear into a bridge mode. This will > work, but you can't set it up with the Windows-loadable software; you need > to drop directly into the web configuration page. That's OK, I didn't even know there was software specific for it. I've always used the web page. > -or- > > 2) Configure the netgear as a subnet on your D-Link primary LAN. This is > what I'm using. My primary wired LAN is configured with a 192.168.1.x/24 > address. I gave the Wireless router a static address on the primary, then > configured its internal network as 192.168.8/25. Wait, you have the main network as 192.168.1.x/24 then the 2nd router as 192.168.8.x/25? /25 is smaller than /24, sure, but .8.x/25 isn't a subnet of .1.x/24. Also, can you recommend a method for taking several addresses and finding the smallest common subnet/netmask that covers them? I've been doing it by hand. > I then set up rules to allow the wireless network to access specific > devices on my primary LAN. One machine on my primary can remote manage the > Netgear. In other words, my Wireless considers my primary to be the > Internet, or WAN. Does the 2nd router get an address via DHCP? Its address should be out of its subnet, right? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 And we never failed to fail / It was the easiest thing to do -- CSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 12:53:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGrQtu008448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UGrQAu008447 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGrQOO008443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGrPTA026866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:25 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UGrCZW032717 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 12:53:12 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x4so440205nfb for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:53:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FPRAirAMgoFurRmQrjOkeYO3hi8ImJW7ePeu3IVSb1ep5a19cOZuMgZ1BIvDHL2l0oMqsRVx6GH1rk1LJOtj4tCYUN/dv6frRDLzjUuh7rjtvVaTfaZAp8Y0hrsdbCKESAmg2suTV7J/7r+DkmisnxUfUBQQdRRPJ+teAuuLjVE= Received: by 10.48.225.3 with SMTP id x3mr77825nfg; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.238.2 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 09:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605300953l1c3783bgd5ae19b8de837524@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:53:09 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] call a function without knowing its name in C In-Reply-To: <20060528145413.GA2691@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060528145413.GA2691@frey> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.125, required 6, AWL -0.73, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_24 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, MANGLED_AVOID 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You don't need a hashtable for this: -- #include void a(); void b(); void c(); int main(int argc, char **argv){ void (*functions[3])(void); char funcname='\0'; if(argc != 2){ printf("Usage: %s function\n",argv[0]); return 1; }//if wrong usage funcname=argv[1][0]; if(funcname<'a' || funcname>'c'){ printf("Invalid function: %s\n",argv[1]); return 1; }//if invalid function functions[0]=&a; functions[1]=&b; functions[2]=&c; functions[funcname-'a'](); return 0; }//main void a(){ printf("a\n"); } void b(){ printf("b\n"); } void c(){ printf("c\n"); } -- You can keep track of relationship of the pointers to the array with an enum or a switch or however you like. I really do love glib, though, and tend to use it for any nontrivial C project. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 15:31:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJVOiU009764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:31:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UJVOBm009763 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:31:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJVORv009759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:31:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJVNSl005552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:31:24 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJUDxR022639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:30:14 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UJXivY024831 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:33:44 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4UJXh7D024830; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:33:43 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.17 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.211, required 6, AWL 0.39, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Wait, you have the main network as 192.168.1.x/24 then the 2nd router as > 192.168.8.x/25? /25 is smaller than /24, sure, but .8.x/25 isn't a subnet > of .1.x/24. The netgear has two addresses. On the "WAN" side it's a 192.168.1.x/24 address. On the LAN side it's 192.168.8.1/25. > Also, can you recommend a method for taking several addresses and finding > the smallest common subnet/netmask that covers them? I've been doing it by > hand. I just search on "subnet calculator" on Google and use one of the first couple hits. >> I then set up rules to allow the wireless network to access specific >> devices on my primary LAN. One machine on my primary can remote manage the >> Netgear. In other words, my Wireless considers my primary to be the >> Internet, or WAN. > > Does the 2nd router get an address via DHCP? Its address should be out of > its subnet, right? I've hard coded its WAN side address, but it could do DHCP if you wanted. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 15:48:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJm6p1009876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:48:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UJm69C009875 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:48:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJm6kZ009871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:48:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJm5eI006366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:48:06 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UJloo7015624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:47:51 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FlABy-0005IC-6P for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:47:50 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AF056C19 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 15:47:47 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Warez, Pirates and Bootlegs, Oh My! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.208, required 6, AWL -0.54, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: I have never downloaded movies via the internet. On the very few occasions I've downloaded music from the internet (generally classical), I was very clear about the unencumbered nature of the downloads. Unfortunately, all this makes me supremely unqualified to determine if a given download or download service is illegal or not. As a consequence, when this subject comes up on this list, I cannot tell whether what's being talked about is legal or illegal. My apologies for that. However, for the sake of this group and this list, I would strongly caution people against encouraging warez and pirated downloads. What I'm talking about should be narrowly defined as encouraging people to seek out illegal download services or downloads, and facilitating their use. Obviously, as we've seen with Napster, any service like this can be used for legal and illegal purposes, so services like this are not a forbidden topic. But I'm also sure there are services out there devoted most particularly to illegal downloads. Encouraging the patronage of such services should not be done. And of course, if Joe L. User knows where you can get a *free* copy of MI3 (obviously copyrighted, obviously not allowed out by the studios for free), he should keep this news to himself. I'm not trying to dampen discussion, but I also don't want to get SLUG involved in encouraging or facilitating enterprises which are of obvious or even questionable illegality. Since I'm uniquely unqualified in this area, I'd appreciate it if the members of the list could assist me in policing this type of thing. And let's not get into a discussion about how unfair or criminal record companies and movie studios are. If that's what you think, I agree with you, but the politics list is where that kind of discussion should take place. And whether they are or are not criminal really doesn't justify ripping them off in return, at least not as far as this list is concerned. Paul -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 16:05:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UK5f9o010045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:05:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UK5fdD010044 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:05:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UK5etM010040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:05:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UK5exc007293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:05:40 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UK5SZp026918 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:05:28 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.197.17]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J03003LDH4Y2465@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:05:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.949, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 30 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >> Wait, you have the main network as 192.168.1.x/24 then the 2nd router as >> 192.168.8.x/25? /25 is smaller than /24, sure, but .8.x/25 isn't a subnet >> of .1.x/24. > > The netgear has two addresses. On the "WAN" side it's a 192.168.1.x/24 > address. On the LAN side it's 192.168.8.1/25. Gotcha. How can its clients use router #1's DHCP? Can it pass out addresses regardless of whether they're in its subnet? (Mine can't.) >> Also, can you recommend a method for taking several addresses and finding >> the smallest common subnet/netmask that covers them? I've been doing it by >> hand. > > I just search on "subnet calculator" on Google and use one of the first > couple hits. Noted. Thanks. >>> I then set up rules to allow the wireless network to access specific >>> devices on my primary LAN. One machine on my primary can remote manage the >>> Netgear. In other words, my Wireless considers my primary to be the >>> Internet, or WAN. >> >> Does the 2nd router get an address via DHCP? Its address should be out of >> its subnet, right? > > I've hard coded its WAN side address, but it could do DHCP if you wanted. Cool. So then, what changes do I have to make? Add rules on router #2 to get the services I want on LAN #1. (What ports does Samba use?) What else? Filling in the addresses: ( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address | | 72.64.*.* D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID | : | 192.168.1.38, 192.168.1.0/24 | : | | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server | : 192.168.1.11 | : | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". | 192.168.1.27 | | 192.168.1.31 Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID : 192.168.2.31, 192.168.2.0/24 : : "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" 192.168.2.26 All addresses are assigned by DHCP, and all are static except for router #1's WAN port. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 16:27:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKR0wB010235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:27:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UKR03A010234 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:27:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKQxPi010230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:26:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKQxlZ008557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:26:59 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.195]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKQkCH009256 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:26:47 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so801045hug for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:26:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lr+ijJWykKThat6WrS/OjGUJBoBVqQAfzvs6wbI+RZWJKrdeKBomGoOqv2Unsa5gUehg8Y6LPQj7xD4/WxCu9+9gV5vLO+HXVsxnoi64zFLhhsbspZVvv4rpYRndQkCZu2jQTK2oqZkiZSt4s2WBk58wJPg5GHfuWuddB+BhmV0= Received: by 10.49.59.2 with SMTP id m2mr116737nfk; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:26:44 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Warez, Pirates and Bootlegs, Oh My! In-Reply-To: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.289, required 6, AWL 0.69, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/30/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > I have never downloaded movies via the internet. On the very few > occasions I've downloaded music from the internet (generally classical), > I was very clear about the unencumbered nature of the downloads. > Unfortunately, all this makes me supremely unqualified to determine if a > given download or download service is illegal or not. As a consequence, > when this subject comes up on this list, I cannot tell whether what's > being talked about is legal or illegal. My apologies for that. > > However, for the sake of this group and this list, I would strongly > caution people against encouraging warez and pirated downloads. What I'm > talking about should be narrowly defined as encouraging people to seek > out illegal download services or downloads, and facilitating their use. > Obviously, as we've seen with Napster, any service like this can be used > for legal and illegal purposes, so services like this are not a > forbidden topic. But I'm also sure there are services out there devoted > most particularly to illegal downloads. Encouraging the patronage of > such services should not be done. And of course, if Joe L. User knows > where you can get a *free* copy of MI3 (obviously copyrighted, obviously > not allowed out by the studios for free), he should keep this news to > himself. > > I'm not trying to dampen discussion, but I also don't want to get SLUG > involved in encouraging or facilitating enterprises which are of obvious > or even questionable illegality. Since I'm uniquely unqualified in this > area, I'd appreciate it if the members of the list could assist me in > policing this type of thing. > > And let's not get into a discussion about how unfair or criminal record > companies and movie studios are. If that's what you think, I agree with > you, but the politics list is where that kind of discussion should take > place. And whether they are or are not criminal really doesn't justify > ripping them off in return, at least not as far as this list is concerned. > Paul, I am the cause of this mess, my initial try was to sign up with a site and pay for the product (Kazaa) what they did not inform me was that when I signed up their product was OS (windows) dependent. Once I had given them a CC THEN I found out that I needed to be running that other OS in order to do the downloads. So far my attempt to pull down a par- ticular old movie has been met with frustration, indeed I have tried to go rent the thing and none of the rentals carries it locally. I will have to purchase the DVD and have it shipped to me. I was just hoping that I could pay something, obtain some form of token to download the movie of interest and then let my wife watch it, but all so far met with frustration. I am going to continue to see if I can find a site that will allow me to get what I am looking for with proper payment. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 16:40:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKev8e010334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:40:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UKevWE010333 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:40:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKeuFg010329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:40:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKeuDI009310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:40:56 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKeZdq027169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:40:36 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UKi7MV025190 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:44:07 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4UKi6u3025189; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:44:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.17 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.193, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.41, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > So then, what changes do I have to make? Add rules on router #2 to get the > services I want on LAN #1. (What ports does Samba use?) What else? > Filling in the addresses: > > ( internet ) verizon.net, PPTP, DHCP, dynamic address > | > | 72.64.*.* > D-Link router 802.11g, came with FiOS service, "Soulianis" SSID > | : | 192.168.1.38, 192.168.1.0/24 > | : | > | : "pc" Linux, Samba, thttpd, sshd-server > | : 192.168.1.11 > | : > | "vcr" XP, 802.11g card. Can access services on "pc". > | 192.168.1.27 > | > | 192.168.1.31 > Netgear router 802.11b, "Magrathea" SSID > : 192.168.2.31, 192.168.2.0/24 > : > : > "thinkpad-w" XP/Linux, 802.11b card, can't access services on "pc" > 192.168.2.26 > > All addresses are assigned by DHCP, and all are static except for router > #1's WAN port. Changes you'd need to make: 1) On router 2, allow TCP 137/139. This is often a default entry as "Windows Networking". Allow TCP 22 for SSH. HTTPD is TCP/80 but this is generally on by default. 2) If you're running recent versions of software on "pc", keep in mind that some services won't work unless "pc" can resolve IPs in your /25 subnet. 3) The LAN side address of the Netgear (192.168.2.31) appears to be out of range of the mask, but you'd need to verify. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 16:45:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKj3lf010374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UKj325010373 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKj20I010369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKj2D9009486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:02 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKiqJB022080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:44:53 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4UKmGYN025243 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:48:16 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4UKmFVe025242; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:48:16 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 12.43.115.17 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36956.12.43.115.17.1149022095.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.505, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.51) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > 3) The LAN side address of the Netgear (192.168.2.31) appears to be out of range of > the mask, but you'd need to verify. Doh! Ignore this... Brain fart. I read /25 as the 2^8 (128) bit set. Then my brain crashed and I read that as 128 is half of 256, so the first four bits were set in the mask, which means 2^4 addresses, subtract the broadcast and net... I should stop now. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 16:46:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKk36c010390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:46:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UKk3VE010389 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:46:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKk2x5010385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:46:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKk2iJ009546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:46:02 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UKjs9k022205 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:55 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so646559uge for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hhdqv3/FpsKxI9Vl0qpH0M0Z3eUnvDcwRHd+k/2PIlhzceYDsEi13/YDpdKvIIUH8130lsiwdohPF+JQ6gO4yvWAqpazUP1r5M6geTeCU8YcW4c3LNxcZz1xtJmSyGl8uW+x6eI7fYCbL4R7qea40+zaEg4qXyMgnsNiJiT0KtQ= Received: by 10.78.48.16 with SMTP id v16mr6huv; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 13:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 16:45:53 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Warez, Pirates and Bootlegs, Oh My! In-Reply-To: <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.388, required 6, AWL -0.21, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00001W9GA/qid=1149021847/sr=8-6/ref=pd_bbs_6/002-7588061-3222433?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130 current lowest price is $9.99 have you tried netflix yet? they do have it listed for rent there. On 5/30/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/30/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > > Folks: > > > > I have never downloaded movies via the internet. On the very few > > occasions I've downloaded music from the internet (generally classical), > > I was very clear about the unencumbered nature of the downloads. > > Unfortunately, all this makes me supremely unqualified to determine if a > > given download or download service is illegal or not. As a consequence, > > when this subject comes up on this list, I cannot tell whether what's > > being talked about is legal or illegal. My apologies for that. > > > > However, for the sake of this group and this list, I would strongly > > caution people against encouraging warez and pirated downloads. What I'm > > talking about should be narrowly defined as encouraging people to seek > > out illegal download services or downloads, and facilitating their use. > > Obviously, as we've seen with Napster, any service like this can be used > > for legal and illegal purposes, so services like this are not a > > forbidden topic. But I'm also sure there are services out there devoted > > most particularly to illegal downloads. Encouraging the patronage of > > such services should not be done. And of course, if Joe L. User knows > > where you can get a *free* copy of MI3 (obviously copyrighted, obviously > > not allowed out by the studios for free), he should keep this news to > > himself. > > > > I'm not trying to dampen discussion, but I also don't want to get SLUG > > involved in encouraging or facilitating enterprises which are of obvious > > or even questionable illegality. Since I'm uniquely unqualified in this > > area, I'd appreciate it if the members of the list could assist me in > > policing this type of thing. > > > > And let's not get into a discussion about how unfair or criminal record > > companies and movie studios are. If that's what you think, I agree with > > you, but the politics list is where that kind of discussion should take > > place. And whether they are or are not criminal really doesn't justify > > ripping them off in return, at least not as far as this list is concerned. > > > > Paul, > I am the cause of this mess, my initial try was to sign up with a site and > pay for the product (Kazaa) what they did not inform me was that when > I signed up their product was OS (windows) dependent. Once I had > given them a CC THEN I found out that I needed to be running that other > OS in order to do the downloads. So far my attempt to pull down a par- > ticular old movie has been met with frustration, indeed I have tried to > go rent the thing and none of the rentals carries it locally. I will have to > purchase the DVD and have it shipped to me. I was just hoping that I > could pay something, obtain some form of token to download the movie > of interest and then let my wife watch it, but all so far met with frustration. > > I am going to continue to see if I can find a site that will allow me to > get what I am looking for with proper payment. > > -- > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 17:30:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULUrUW010767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:30:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ULUq5b010766 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:30:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULUqNR010762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:30:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULUqXS012096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:30:52 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.193]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULUeIP024716 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:30:40 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so814464hug for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rPW5xBF+4Ezry4JuKPZBswZEGtYcI7PpUgna6QIcLjjZygURx5HHOcfdp2KXMAylO3bgExHbbZ9rVfMUcVc+Dbe6yJSSjNm5gXMUOIC3TKfblxP2Hzm27eLJs7PggBVyORd9h0jBijBvaI0zxmvOQDj8BnA21DyrIn97ZW1JnD0= Received: by 10.48.210.7 with SMTP id i7mr68174nfg; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605301430k5dda69aai73c5fab313ef472c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:30:35 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Warez, Pirates and Bootlegs, Oh My! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.691, required 6, AWL 1.28, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/30/06, chris lee wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00001W9GA/qid=1149021847/sr=8-6/ref=pd_bbs_6/002-7588061-3222433?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130 > > current lowest price is $9.99 > > have you tried netflix yet? > > they do have it listed for rent there. Yes, I think that is what I am going to do is just have netflix send it to me. Then she can see it and be done with it. That will give me time to get her a copy so she can have her own. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 17:40:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULeU2V010846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:40:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4ULeUPT010845 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:40:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULeUhf010841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:40:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULeTRf012674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:40:30 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4ULeCMD032297 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 17:40:12 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.197.17]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J03003F7LIY2AH5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:40:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:40:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 30 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: >> So then, what changes do I have to make? Add rules on router #2 to get the >> services I want on LAN #1. (What ports does Samba use?) What else? I can't find the "virtual servers" list, even though I swear I've seen it before. I did find "port forwarding", which a net source claims is the same thing. > Changes you'd need to make: > > 1) On router 2, allow TCP 137/139. With or without that, the workgroup appears empty, but I can call up my Samba server by Start -> Run... \\192.168.1.11\ . So the data path is working at least. I added the rule, but it refers specifically to 192.168.2.64 (my laptop). That won't do anything for other machines hanging off router #2. Nothing in the workgroup, but maybe the announcement hasn't been made yet. Allow TCP 22 for SSH. HTTPD is TCP/80 but this is generally on by > default. > > 2) If you're running recent versions of software on "pc", keep in mind > that some services won't work unless "pc" can resolve IPs in your /25 > subnet. Adding them to /etc/hosts should suffice, yes? Actually, the router assigns static addresses for all it gives out by DHCP, and it's in general a caching nameserver, so it _should_ give out those machines' addresses. Dunno what names they'll get though. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 18:02:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM2N6u011049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UM2NEY011048 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM2NNX011044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM2NLv014112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:23 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM28MW012779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:09 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FlCHw-0002Qp-1P for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:08 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1E856C19 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447CC0DD.2080806@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:02:05 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Warez, Pirates and Bootlegs, Oh My! References: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.191, required 6, AWL -1.56, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/30/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > > Paul, > I am the cause of this mess, my initial try was to sign up with a site and > pay for the product (Kazaa) what they did not inform me was that when > I signed up their product was OS (windows) dependent. Once I had > given them a CC THEN I found out that I needed to be running that other > OS in order to do the downloads. So far my attempt to pull down a par- > ticular old movie has been met with frustration, indeed I have tried to > go rent the thing and none of the rentals carries it locally. I will > have to > purchase the DVD and have it shipped to me. I was just hoping that I > could pay something, obtain some form of token to download the movie > of interest and then let my wife watch it, but all so far met with > frustration. > > I am going to continue to see if I can find a site that will allow me to > get what I am looking for with proper payment. > Understand, I'm not particularly pointing fingers at anyone. I've followed your thread, but it means little to me since I've never downloaded stuff like that or that way. I don't know if what's going on is proper or not. I'm just concerned that we don't get out of bounds on it. -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 18:08:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM8It0011088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:08:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UM8IKi011087 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:08:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM8Iml011083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:08:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM8IXG015036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:08:18 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.202]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UM81cl005553 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 18:08:01 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so821786hug for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hnz2/c9rIOJcW9uYQmMK56bXKetPAdTnNlCZ1qTCeLHXjkLnNDJ0pxZYHgPzd58AVkCQo95jNbJjeB5Qlf/bsW946ti12evyyRuXjpnNGMiZd9yAgBLBaIfHi9gMPkqqVCNUEKPkgiNMujtwZ9OF2XLawCVA0P9wBurvg8T5Z/s= Received: by 10.48.225.3 with SMTP id x3mr87474nfg; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.226.13 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 15:07:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570605301507t7dfb28d7pd24f6b8526f9b33d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:07:58 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Warez, Pirates and Bootlegs, Oh My! In-Reply-To: <447CC0DD.2080806@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> <447CC0DD.2080806@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.045, required 6, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 5/30/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 5/30/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > > > Paul, > > I am the cause of this mess, my initial try was to sign up with a site and > > pay for the product (Kazaa) what they did not inform me was that when > > I signed up their product was OS (windows) dependent. Once I had > > given them a CC THEN I found out that I needed to be running that other > > OS in order to do the downloads. So far my attempt to pull down a par- > > ticular old movie has been met with frustration, indeed I have tried to > > go rent the thing and none of the rentals carries it locally. I will > > have to > > purchase the DVD and have it shipped to me. I was just hoping that I > > could pay something, obtain some form of token to download the movie > > of interest and then let my wife watch it, but all so far met with > > frustration. > > > > I am going to continue to see if I can find a site that will allow me to > > get what I am looking for with proper payment. > > > > Understand, I'm not particularly pointing fingers at anyone. I've > followed your thread, but it means little to me since I've never > downloaded stuff like that or that way. I don't know if what's going on > is proper or not. I'm just concerned that we don't get out of bounds on it. > Yes, that is why I am just going to order it from netflix until I can find a good source that is not OS dependent. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 19:11:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNBmq9011603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:11:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UNBmbN011602 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:11:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNBlRl011598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:11:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNBlUO020154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:11:47 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNBTRM018949 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:11:30 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so665965uge for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:11:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=G6A3/+5dlFNbReYFc5fvoKM/28DA2RUdvjMPhomi4Cr2HjQd+mlQvr7+7KeEsjBTZhLM9zm0QRhTfOUSnxHMtzqjGphCoN0Rjikjrr090tZElXeGCha6KE0MEHJhJR2mivbXb8bYjWwcQYpWXMTU4A36shk5G/NNLDYaSB5DrYU= Received: by 10.78.52.17 with SMTP id z17mr14966huz; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 16:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:11:28 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] site problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.996, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.11, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net the site i work for recently underwent a move. the owner got CentOS because it was cheap and the sysadmin knows nothing about linux. anybody up for a little coding help? irc.deltaanime.net #box-staff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 19:22:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNMtov011750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:22:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UNMtLS011749 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:22:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNMsBG011745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:22:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNMeBB020741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:22:54 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNMQPG002130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:22:27 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FlDXJ-0002Vp-Lh for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:22:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] [SFD] Software Freedom Day 2006 From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kLzSjoz0MLwSZPYFzslD" Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:21:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1149031300.7598.4.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.162, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, UNIQUE_WORDS 2.35) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-kLzSjoz0MLwSZPYFzslD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 11:38 -0400, Sick Twist wrote: > Fellow Free software enthusiasts, Even with all the enthusiasm, no one created nor wore Eric's famous penguin suit: http://www.sslug.org/node/15 Which was originally designed for SFD. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 19:27:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNR3c1011792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:27:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4UNR3Jn011791 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:27:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNR39d011787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:27:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNR2xI021015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:27:03 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4UNQlbq012209 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:26:48 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58A954179 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 19:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 19:26:54 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.636, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.90, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >>> So then, what changes do I have to make? Add rules on router #2 to >>> get the >>> services I want on LAN #1. (What ports does Samba use?) What else? > > > I can't find the "virtual servers" list, even though I swear I've seen > it before. I did find "port forwarding", which a net source claims is > the same thing. > >> Changes you'd need to make: >> >> 1) On router 2, allow TCP 137/139. > > > With or without that, the workgroup appears empty, but I can call up my > Samba server by Start -> Run... \\192.168.1.11\ . So the data path is > working at least. > > I added the rule, but it refers specifically to 192.168.2.64 (my > laptop). That won't do anything for other machines hanging off router > #2. Nothing in the workgroup, but maybe the announcement hasn't been > made yet. > > Allow TCP 22 for SSH. HTTPD is TCP/80 but this is generally on by > >> default. >> >> 2) If you're running recent versions of software on "pc", keep in mind >> that some services won't work unless "pc" can resolve IPs in your /25 >> subnet. > > > Adding them to /etc/hosts should suffice, yes? > > Actually, the router assigns static addresses for all it gives out by > DHCP, and it's in general a caching nameserver, so it _should_ give out > those machines' addresses. Dunno what names they'll get though. > It won't work because you are on different broadcast domains. If you ran a WINS server then they should be able to resolve the hostname (provided the clients know about the WINs server. But you still won't be able to browse the workgroup. Honestly I see no valid reason for you to configure your network like that. You are adding complexity and making it un-user friendly. I believe you should: 1. plug one of the netgear's switch port into the DLINK switch ports. You will need a cross-over cable to connect the 2 (however alot of devices these days auto negotiate crossed cable) 2. Use your netgear as a "b" only WAP (all b\g routers I have seen allow this. If you broadcast SID then just name it so you can differentiate. Maybe "Ebin-g" and "Ebin-b" 3. Use the Dlink as your "g" only WAP. Make sure it is at least 3 channels away from your "b" device. 4. Turn DHCP off of the netgear and only run it on the DLINK. Now everything will work perfectly :) Also I should note that I run a mixed 802.11 network at my house and I don't notice any slow down with a G card while B cards are using the network. I just tested it and was able to pull around 20mbps off my webserver with the G card while B cards were active. You should experiment with it because then that would just make thing even more simple only running one WAP. best luck -Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 20:00:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V00jCD012087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:00:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V00jll012086 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:00:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V00ja9012082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:00:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V00igx022596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:00:45 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V00UXL014618 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:00:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060531000025.SDSJ16541.centrmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:00:25 -0400 Message-ID: <447CEB5C.3080204@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:03:24 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Warez, Pirates and Bootlegs, Oh My! References: <447CA163.4010104@quillandmouse.com> <620c90570605301326w43528f02w6a2797a127603b05@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570605301430k5dda69aai73c5fab313ef472c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570605301430k5dda69aai73c5fab313ef472c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.494, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.49, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > On 5/30/06, chris lee wrote: >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00001W9GA/qid=1149021847/sr=8-6/ref=pd_bbs_6/002-7588061-3222433?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130 >> >> >> current lowest price is $9.99 >> >> have you tried netflix yet? >> >> they do have it listed for rent there. > > Yes, I think that is what I am going to do is just have netflix send > it to me. > Then she can see it and be done with it. That will give me time to get > her > a copy so she can have her own. > > And, hey! You could rip the rented copy! (Joking, only joking! I don't condone that behavoir.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 20:16:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V0GRbd012247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:16:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V0GRc6012246 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:16:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V0GR08012242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:16:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V0GQA4023454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:16:27 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V0GFwD002194 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:16:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060531001614.MGHU23821.centrmmtao01.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:16:14 -0400 Message-ID: <447CEF12.20404@cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 20:19:14 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.273, required 6, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60, SARE_ONDEAL 0.22) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > I am by no means a networking guru, but it seems to me that the > Netgear router needs to be reconfigured to be used as a switch. > Connect the Netgear's Uplink port to one of the ports on the D-Link. > Do not connect anything to the WAN port on the Netgear. There cannot > be two DHCP servers running on the same network so disable the DHCP > server on either the Netgear or the D-Link. Check the Netgear > documentation to see if any other settings need to be changed in order > for it to function as a switch. > > -Jonathon > > > You know, most consumer-grade routers with multiple ports function as a hub and not a switch. I just picked up a Nortel Baystack 24-port switch on ebay for $10.00. I searched locally so I wouldn't have to pay for shipping. There are tons of deals like this out there due to corporate lease returns. There are several nice things about one like this. One, you can plug your stuff into it and it works. No crossover cables, no configuring, no nothing. It just works. Another thing I like is the fact that I'm not likely to ever have more than 24 ethernet devices to plug in (including the router). The last thing that is a real kicker about this thing to me is that with one cable going from my Netgear router and then three boxen plugged into the switch, the network tuns startlingly faster than going straight out the ports of the router. If you would prefer to work with what you have, I understand that too. I love configuring some things. Others, it's kind of a lost cause. That's my $.02 on this deal. Thanks. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 21:24:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V1OaBZ012796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:24:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V1OabI012795 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:24:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V1OZux012791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:24:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V1OZv8026961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:24:35 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V1Nhqj012592 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:23:44 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.197.17]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0300JIFVV4X4H4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:23:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:23:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 30 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: >> >>> 2) If you're running recent versions of software on "pc", keep in mind >>> that some services won't work unless "pc" can resolve IPs in your /25 >>> subnet. >> >> Adding them to /etc/hosts should suffice, yes? >> >> Actually, the router assigns static addresses for all it gives out by DHCP, >> and it's in general a caching nameserver, so it _should_ give out those >> machines' addresses. Dunno what names they'll get though. > > It won't work because you are on different broadcast domains. What won't work -- browsing "pc"'s workgroup from "thinkpad-w"? > If you ran a WINS server then they should be able to resolve the hostname > (provided the clients know about the WINs server. But you still won't be > able to browse the workgroup. I'd have to run it on LAN #2 (alongside the Thinkpad), yes? > Honestly I see no valid reason for you to configure your network like that. > You are adding complexity and making it un-user friendly. > > I believe you should: > 1. plug one of the netgear's switch port into the DLINK switch ports. "switch port" is what they call "LAN port"? > You will need a cross-over cable to connect the 2 (however alot of devices > these days auto negotiate crossed cable) > > 2. Use your netgear as a "b" only WAP Don't have any choice. It only speaks b. > If you broadcast SID then just name it so you can differentiate. Yeah, they are different. > 3. Use the Dlink as your "g" only WAP. Make sure it is at least 3 channels > away from your "b" device. 10 (or 11, depending on how you count) now, 1 & 11. > 4. Turn DHCP off of the netgear and only run it on the DLINK. > > Now everything will work perfectly :) In that case, should router #2's devices be within the netmask of router #1? > Also I should note that I run a mixed 802.11 network at my house and I > don't notice any slow down with a G card while B cards are using the > network. I just tested it and was able to pull around 20mbps off my > webserver with the G card while B cards were active. You should experiment > with it because then that would just make thing even more simple only > running one WAP. That'd be loverly, if true... (20 millibits per second? Doesn't sound like much.) -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 22:16:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V2GTXg013215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:16:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V2GTgO013214 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:16:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V2GTYm013210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:16:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V2GSCN030704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:16:29 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V2G2Pm026707 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 22:16:02 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.214.80]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J03008LZYAOKBX2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 21:16:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.367, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.23, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 30 May 2006, Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: > >> Now everything will work perfectly :) Yep, it works. Thanks. But, I can no longer contact the Netgear router (#2) from anywhere. Is this an expected side effect, or have I done something wrong? Actually, now that I look further into it, the laptop is associated (wirelessly) with router #2, but its address and netmask place it outside, in router #1's subnet. So, should I make it like this: A: Router #1's subnet B: Range over which router #1 gives out addresses C: Router #2's subnet 0 64 128 192 255 A +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | B +-------------------------------+ | | | C +-------------------------------+| | | | | || ? (Scale may vary, and numbers are pulled _ex recta_.) That is, assuming I figure out how to contact router #2. Probably just have to get the address/netmask "proper". -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(photo.man@24.96.99.108) by smtp1.knology.net with ESMTPA; 31 May 2006 03:20:56 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] site problems From: John Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1149045203.20980.454.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:13:23 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net CentOS is Redhad Enterprise with the logos, artwork and copyrights removed. Example: CentOS 4 = RHE 4 Where I work it supports an Asterisk server. What is the owner looking for? -- JB On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 19:11, chris lee wrote: > the site i work for recently underwent a move. > > the owner got CentOS because it was cheap and the sysadmin knows > nothing about linux. > > anybody up for a little coding help? > > irc.deltaanime.net #box-staff > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 23:37:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3bYI7013852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V3bYG3013851 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3bXXs013847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3bXCu002971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:33 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3bDkT009645 for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:14 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m3so695219uge for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:37:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FoRCgNHTw8ZgApn/J+y1CkbTvaMjhEmFYBuvV9FGaoMOVxZ9cpNrWeUU8KDbjyGwZAdKcDACaq+nkSDNxEskIlwLoi75zJoG3cCZCLcukxbxzhpynOAhMfisFGYhSerBHbeXDDyMXReuGYPlXGAdCzCiskK5qwEgjbEJt4AbgQo= Received: by 10.78.47.9 with SMTP id u9mr47258huu; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2006 20:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:13 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] site problems In-Reply-To: <1149045203.20980.454.camel@biostar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1149045203.20980.454.camel@biostar.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.6, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net pretty much a clean up and somebody to point out the glaring errors. its taken 4 months just to install postfix and its still not working quite right. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue May 30 23:59:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3xp85013993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:59:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V3xp9G013992 for slug-track29; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:59:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3xo0G013988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:59:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3xoeg004054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:59:50 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V3xPWN022477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:59:25 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k4V42tDf026744 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:02:55 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k4V42tIj026743; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:02:55 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.8 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2516.192.168.8.8.1149048175.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 [CVS]-0.cvs20050812.1.fc3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.493, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.11, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Tue, 30 May 2006, Eben King wrote: > >> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: >> >>> Now everything will work perfectly :) > > Yep, it works. Thanks. But, I can no longer contact the Netgear router > (#2) from anywhere. Is this an expected side effect, or have I done > something wrong? If you mean "contact" for management (i.e., the web page), you need to enable "Remote Management" from an address or address range. You'll need to use the wired LAN port to do this. Pretty much all you need is make sure "Remote Management" is checked then put in the addresses of the PCs that you'll manage it from. Reboot and it should be visible from your primary LAN. -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 00:20:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4KnJL014290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:20:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V4KnPt014289 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:20:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4Knmj014285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:20:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4Km72007614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:20:49 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4K7RP031619 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:20:12 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.26]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J04002QI41DJ5W3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:20:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:20:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <2516.192.168.8.8.1149048175.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> <2516.192.168.8.8.1149048175.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.405, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.40, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 31 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: >> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Eben King wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: >>> >>>> Now everything will work perfectly :) >> >> Yep, it works. Thanks. But, I can no longer contact the Netgear router >> (#2) from anywhere. Is this an expected side effect, or have I done >> something wrong? > > If you mean "contact" for management (i.e., the web page), you need to > enable "Remote Management" from an address or address range. Figured it out. I had given the router a netmask of 255.255.255.15 (last two quads, in binary: 1111 1111.0000 1111). Windows insists that any netmask has a contiguous string of 1s. So I couldn't match the netmask. Oops. So I performed a hard reset, which made everything factory-fresh, then fixed it. Who knows if it honored that bizarre netmask. Now I can contact either router (i.e.: go to their web page) from any computer. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 00:24:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4OJiO014319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:24:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4V4OJQE014318 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:24:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4OI3v014314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:24:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4OHrn008063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:24:18 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4V4O0AX029309 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 00:24:01 -0400 Received: from [70.210.240.246] by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J040027V47WJ6U3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 30 May 2006 23:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 00:25:34 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] [SFD] Software Freedom Day 2006 In-reply-to: <1149031300.7598.4.camel@cthulhu> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <447D1ABE.8050000@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <1149031300.7598.4.camel@cthulhu> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Logan Tygart wrote: > On Mon, 2006-05-29 at 11:38 -0400, Sick Twist wrote: > >>Fellow Free software enthusiasts, > > > Even with all the enthusiasm, no one created nor wore Eric's famous > penguin suit: http://www.sslug.org/node/15 Which was originally designed > for SFD. > > TheLogan Hi TheLogan! As I recall it only one of us was configured to wear it as it was originally conceived, and that one was not interested. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 08:18:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCIrrA018302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:18:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VCIrTM018301 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:18:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCIrBT018297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:18:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCIoDS013041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:18:52 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCEvf6019169 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:14:57 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71ECA39833 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447D88C6.600@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:15:02 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 30 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: > >> Eben King wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: >>> >>>> 2) If you're running recent versions of software on "pc", keep in >>>> mind that some services won't work unless "pc" can resolve IPs in >>>> your /25 subnet. >>> >>> >>> Adding them to /etc/hosts should suffice, yes? >>> >>> Actually, the router assigns static addresses for all it gives out by >>> DHCP, and it's in general a caching nameserver, so it _should_ give >>> out those machines' addresses. Dunno what names they'll get though. >> >> >> It won't work because you are on different broadcast domains. > > > What won't work -- browsing "pc"'s workgroup from "thinkpad-w"? Correct, because they are on different networks and windows broadcasts to find the workgroup. > >> If you ran a WINS server then they should be able to resolve the >> hostname (provided the clients know about the WINs server. But you >> still won't be able to browse the workgroup. > > > I'd have to run it on LAN #2 (alongside the Thinkpad), yes? > >> Honestly I see no valid reason for you to configure your network like >> that. You are adding complexity and making it un-user friendly. >> >> I believe you should: >> 1. plug one of the netgear's switch port into the DLINK switch ports. > > > "switch port" is what they call "LAN port"? Yes, same premise as daisy chaining 2 LAN switches. > >> You will need a cross-over cable to connect the 2 (however alot of >> devices these days auto negotiate crossed cable) >> >> 2. Use your netgear as a "b" only WAP > > > Don't have any choice. It only speaks b. > >> If you broadcast SID then just name it so you can differentiate. > > > Yeah, they are different. > >> 3. Use the Dlink as your "g" only WAP. Make sure it is at least 3 >> channels away from your "b" device. > > > 10 (or 11, depending on how you count) now, 1 & 11. > >> 4. Turn DHCP off of the netgear and only run it on the DLINK. >> >> Now everything will work perfectly :) > > > In that case, should router #2's devices be within the netmask of router > #1? Forgot to mention that. I would suggest using a /24 mask for simplicity. Set the LAN address for the the DLINk and the NETGEAR to 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 and 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 respecitvely or reverse, doesn't matter. This will allow you to manage your devices. > >> Also I should note that I run a mixed 802.11 network at my house and I >> don't notice any slow down with a G card while B cards are using the >> network. I just tested it and was able to pull around 20mbps off my >> webserver with the G card while B cards were active. You should >> experiment with it because then that would just make thing even more >> simple only running one WAP. > > > That'd be loverly, if true... (20 millibits per second? Doesn't sound > like much.) > lol.. you should check out this protocol! RFC1149 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 08:41:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCfqYm018460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:41:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VCfqH7018459 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:41:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCfprp018455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:41:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCfpkr014588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:41:51 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCfXwl021615 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:41:33 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5DF39833 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447D8F05.6010406@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:41:41 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> <2516.192.168.8.8.1149048175.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: > >>> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Eben King wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: >>>> >>>>> Now everything will work perfectly :) >>> >>> >>> Yep, it works. Thanks. But, I can no longer contact the Netgear router >>> (#2) from anywhere. Is this an expected side effect, or have I done >>> something wrong? >> >> >> If you mean "contact" for management (i.e., the web page), you need to >> enable "Remote Management" from an address or address range. > > > Figured it out. I had given the router a netmask of 255.255.255.15 > (last two quads, in binary: 1111 1111.0000 1111). Windows insists that > any netmask has a contiguous string of 1s. So I couldn't match the > netmask. Oops. So I performed a hard reset, which made everything > factory-fresh, then fixed it. Who knows if it honored that bizarre > netmask. > > Now I can contact either router (i.e.: go to their web page) from any > computer. > That makes sense 255.255.255.15 is not a valid mask. here are the valid masks: 255.255.255.255.0 11111111.11111111.11111111.00000000 254 hosts 255.255.255.255.128 11111111.11111111.11111111.10000000 126 hosts 255.255.255.255.192 11111111.11111111.11111111.11000000 62 hosts 255.255.255.255.224 11111111.11111111.11111111.11100000 30 hosts 255.255.255.255.240 11111111.11111111.11111111.11110000 14 hosts 255.255.255.255.248 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111000 6 hosts 255.255.255.255.252 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111100 2 hosts 255.255.255.255.254 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111110 0 hosts ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 08:42:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCglw0018476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:42:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VCgk3t018475 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:42:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCgkDX018471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:42:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCgk7P014688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:42:46 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VCgUAg018070 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:42:30 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7825239833 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447D8F3C.6040201@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 08:42:36 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <447CEF12.20404@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <447CEF12.20404@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.223, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, SARE_ONDEAL 0.22) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > You know, most consumer-grade routers with multiple ports function as a > hub and not a switch. I just picked up a Nortel Baystack 24-port switch > on ebay for $10.00. I searched locally so I wouldn't have to pay for > shipping. There are tons of deals like this out there due to corporate > lease returns. There are several nice things about one like this. One, > you can plug your stuff into it and it works. No crossover cables, no > configuring, no nothing. It just works. Another thing I like is the > fact that I'm not likely to ever have more than 24 ethernet devices to > plug in (including the router). The last thing that is a real kicker > about this thing to me is that with one cable going from my Netgear > router and then three boxen plugged into the switch, the network tuns > startlingly faster than going straight out the ports of the router. If > you would prefer to work with what you have, I understand that too. I > love configuring some things. Others, it's kind of a lost cause. > That's my $.02 on this deal. Thanks. > --Michael > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > That's not exactly true. I have never seen a recent router with "hub" ports. a hub is not full duplex, hubs are just repeaters, every host connected see's every unicast and multicast. A switch know's every mac address that is plugged into itself and only sends unicast frames to the intended MAC address. Broadcast frames hit everything of course. when you say startlingly faster plugged into the baystack I am willing to bet you had a duplex mismatch when you were plugged into the router switch ports. -Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 09:20:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDKePQ018841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:20:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VDKep7018840 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:20:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDKe82018836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:20:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDKd9N017923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:20:39 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDJsoP028942 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:19:54 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.26]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J040070UT15PQF4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 31 May 2006 08:19:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:19:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <447D8F05.6010406@mathey.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> <2516.192.168.8.8.1149048175.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447D8F05.6010406@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, AWL 0.00, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 31 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> On Wed, 31 May 2006, Kwan Lowe wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Eben King wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 30 May 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Now everything will work perfectly :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Yep, it works. Thanks. But, I can no longer contact the Netgear router >>>> (#2) from anywhere. Is this an expected side effect, or have I done >>>> something wrong? >>> >>> >>> If you mean "contact" for management (i.e., the web page), you need to >>> enable "Remote Management" from an address or address range. >> >> >> Figured it out. I had given the router a netmask of 255.255.255.15 (last >> two quads, in binary: 1111 1111.0000 1111). Windows insists that any >> netmask has a contiguous string of 1s. So I couldn't match the netmask. >> Oops. So I performed a hard reset, which made everything factory-fresh, >> then fixed it. Who knows if it honored that bizarre netmask. >> >> Now I can contact either router (i.e.: go to their web page) from any >> computer. > > That makes sense 255.255.255.15 is not a valid mask. The conversation at http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2001-October/027593.html says discontiguous netmasks are accepted by Linux tools, and violate only an IETF ruling. > here are the valid masks: > > > 255.255.255.255.0 11111111.11111111.11111111.00000000 254 hosts > 255.255.255.255.128 11111111.11111111.11111111.10000000 126 hosts > 255.255.255.255.192 11111111.11111111.11111111.11000000 62 hosts > 255.255.255.255.224 11111111.11111111.11111111.11100000 30 hosts > 255.255.255.255.240 11111111.11111111.11111111.11110000 14 hosts > 255.255.255.255.248 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111000 6 hosts > 255.255.255.255.252 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111100 2 hosts > 255.255.255.255.254 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111110 0 hosts Do the {low,high}est address actually _mean_ something special, or are they just typically used that way? What about using x.x.x.x/32 to refer to one host? Is that a pathological case and therefore requires a special case? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 And we never failed to fail / It was the easiest thing to do -- CSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 09:47:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDlQpI019023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:47:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VDlQgQ019022 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:47:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDlQDB019018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:47:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDlPw1019525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:47:25 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VDlCIt029069 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:47:12 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB2539833 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 09:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447D9E60.6090707@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:47:12 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <1148953429.16707.8.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1363.192.168.8.8.1148992251.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <17416.12.43.115.17.1149017623.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <35883.12.43.115.17.1149021846.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447CD4BE.5070905@mathey.org> <2516.192.168.8.8.1149048175.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> <447D8F05.6010406@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.532, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > The conversation at > http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2001-October/027593.html > says discontiguous netmasks are accepted by Linux tools, and violate > only an IETF ruling. > >> here are the valid masks: >> >> >> 255.255.255.255.0 11111111.11111111.11111111.00000000 254 hosts >> 255.255.255.255.128 11111111.11111111.11111111.10000000 126 hosts >> 255.255.255.255.192 11111111.11111111.11111111.11000000 62 hosts >> 255.255.255.255.224 11111111.11111111.11111111.11100000 30 hosts >> 255.255.255.255.240 11111111.11111111.11111111.11110000 14 hosts >> 255.255.255.255.248 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111000 6 hosts >> 255.255.255.255.252 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111100 2 hosts >> 255.255.255.255.254 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111110 0 hosts > > > Do the {low,high}est address actually _mean_ something special, or are > they just typically used that way? What about using x.x.x.x/32 to refer > to one host? Is that a pathological case and therefore requires a > special case? > It's possible that some OSs can recognize discontiguous masks but if you ran into a scenario that you needed one, then (I can't think of one) then it is in best interest to redesign your network as to not incorporate a ugly hack like that :) Sure you can use /32 to represent one host. Sometimes a network engineer will use a /32 mask for a loopback address of a router. There are limited scenarios where you would want to use it but valid non the less. I'm not sure what you mean buy this question "Do the {low,high}est address actually _mean_ something special, or are they just typically used that way?" also I made a mistake with too many 255s lol! 255.255.255.0 11111111.11111111.11111111.00000000 254 hosts 255.255.255.128 11111111.11111111.11111111.10000000 126 hosts 255.255.255.192 11111111.11111111.11111111.11000000 62 hosts 255.255.255.224 11111111.11111111.11111111.11100000 30 hosts 255.255.255.240 11111111.11111111.11111111.11110000 14 hosts 255.255.255.248 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111000 6 hosts 255.255.255.252 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111100 2 hosts 255.255.255.254 11111111.11111111.11111111.11111110 0 hosts remember the only purpose of the subnet mask is to define the sub-network boundaries. They allow the TCP stack to know whether or not to arp for a local IP address or arp for the router interface to send data to a different network. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 13:06:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VH6gVb020595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VH6gEi020594 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VH6fXk020590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VH6e2x000703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:41 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.196]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VH6SAg012166 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:06:28 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 28so1061236hug for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=avyUiJqvpVE4s/XJWUJSIG65dFB9RGXKBTCNwirA8WSYbtAy4SwmYYF77xdmKgz9/+3Hz5dWulfR2ZOO4aiDogsrCfHMLRc3pQxxpdW9465H9WG/ct90WNvGWWFhKoRFOQjqGUVj2FhYSiEGuLt2Bc7UiskKjsNaaN/TsOhsuVc= Received: by 10.48.219.12 with SMTP id r12mr557266nfg; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.238.2 with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310605311006y791206b7ifb75f26d4584c41b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 12:06:26 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Tremulous - GPL Quake3 FPS/RTS Derivative MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.tremulous.net/index.php?section=about This looks *very* cool. I'm looking forward to trying it out. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 13:28:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHSWeh020846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VHSW9C020845 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHSWJF020841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHSSvq001810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:32 -0400 Received: from randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHSJCw016552 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:28:20 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B8FAF156 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:27:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <447D8F05.6010406@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605311327.43105.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.454, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.14, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 31 May 2006 09:19, Eben King wrote: > > Do the {low,high}est address actually _mean_ something special, or are they > just typically used that way? What about using x.x.x.x/32 to refer to one > host? Is that a pathological case and therefore requires a special case? There are really three addresses used. The first one to indicate the network, like 192.168.0.0. The second to be the gateway, 192.168.0.1. The highest is what is known as the broadcast address. 192.168.0.255. It's used to make announcements to all hosts on that network. The gateway does not have to be on that address, but is commonly so. You can use the 1st for a host, though it's not advisable. Using the highest for a host is really not a good idea. As Chris points out the subnet is only there to help the local NIC to identify it's own network. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 13:39:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHd3Pa020919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:39:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VHd3mg020918 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:39:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHd3Cm020914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:39:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHd2SA002317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:39:02 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VHcmd8020435 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:38:48 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A682B10F671 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:38:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <447CEF12.20404@cox.net> <447D8F3C.6040201@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <447D8F3C.6040201@mathey.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605311338.19423.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.363, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.24, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 31 May 2006 08:42, Chris Mathey wrote: > That's not exactly true. I have never seen a recent router with "hub" > ports. a hub is not full duplex, hubs are just repeaters, every host > connected see's every unicast and multicast. A switch know's every mac > address that is plugged into itself and only sends unicast frames to the > intended MAC address. Broadcast frames hit everything of course. Well this is not correct. A hub differs from a switch in that it will route traffic to all ports, much like a broadcast. While a switch will route it only to the correct port, where it's internal notes tracks what port each MAC (NIC) address uses. A hub is not a repeater, it's old technology from before switches were invented. Once switches showed up they solved the problems of collisions that the original hubs had. An Ethernet network was designed to have collisions of packets, and could in real life sustain about 30% of the traffic being collisions. Passing 30% it degraded rapidly. The switch solved the problem neatly and has but all replaced the use of hubs. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 14:26:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VIQHeL021328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VIQHYS021327 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VIQGFq021323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VIQG8k005672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:16 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VIQ7VA025118 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:08 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C834D39833 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447DDFC6.6080502@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 14:26:14 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <447CEF12.20404@cox.net> <447D8F3C.6040201@mathey.org> <200605311338.19423.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605311338.19423.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 31 May 2006 08:42, Chris Mathey wrote: > >>That's not exactly true. I have never seen a recent router with "hub" >>ports. a hub is not full duplex, hubs are just repeaters, every host >>connected see's every unicast and multicast. A switch know's every mac >>address that is plugged into itself and only sends unicast frames to the >>intended MAC address. Broadcast frames hit everything of course. > > > Well this is not correct. A hub differs from a switch in that it will route > traffic to all ports, much like a broadcast. While a switch will route it > only to the correct port, where it's internal notes tracks what port each MAC > (NIC) address uses. > > A hub is not a repeater, it's old technology from before switches were > invented. Once switches showed up they solved the problems of collisions that > the original hubs had. > > An Ethernet network was designed to have collisions of packets, and could in > real life sustain about 30% of the traffic being collisions. Passing 30% it > degraded rapidly. > > The switch solved the problem neatly and has but all replaced the use of hubs. > A hub is in other terms a "repeater" because when an ethernet frame enters one of its ports it "repeats" that frame to all other ports. It also amplifies the signal. In this environment (collision domain) the protocol CSMA/CD to detect collisions. Also a hub can only provide half duplex communication because a hub takes the signal from the active incoming port and immediately pushes the signal out on all outgoing ports at the same time after signal amplification. Because this is going on at the same time, a hub needs to do it in half duplex fashion. Basically my statement was that if you go buy a router from compusa netgear\dlink\linksys\et al they are switches and not hubs. The internal software creates a separate VLAN for the WAN port and routes between them. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 16:22:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKMOKd022271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:22:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VKMOK9022270 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:22:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKMNlp022266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:22:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKMNNt013499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:22:23 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKMD9C025308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:22:13 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKMCvp012116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:22:13 -0400 Message-ID: <447DFAF4.4020304@nks.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:22:12 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <447D8F05.6010406@mathey.org> <200605311327.43105.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605311327.43105.steve@szmidt.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.504, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: >On Wednesday 31 May 2006 09:19, Eben King wrote: > > >>Do the {low,high}est address actually _mean_ something special, or are they >>just typically used that way? What about using x.x.x.x/32 to refer to one >>host? Is that a pathological case and therefore requires a special case? >> >> > >There are really three addresses used. The first one to indicate the network, >like 192.168.0.0. The second to be the gateway, 192.168.0.1. > >The highest is what is known as the broadcast address. 192.168.0.255. >It's used to make announcements to all hosts on that network. > > If memory serves, a long time ago Microsoft at one point liked to use the all-zeros host address for broadcasting to a segment. The "all zeros" (192.168.0.0) address is the "network" address, and the "all ones" (192.168.0.255) is the "broadcast" address. RFC 1812 suggests that IP stacks should silently discard such addresses now. If not silently discarded, such packets MUST be trested as IP broadcasts. At one point I _swear_ *.0 was used as a broadcast, and was common on a number of IP stacks. >The gateway does not have to be on that address, but is commonly so. You can >use the 1st for a host, though it's not advisable. Using the highest for a >host is really not a good idea. > > Meh. It's a convention thing. At NKS, all of our gateways are .254. Nothing wrong with it, but you should keep it the same throughout your network if you can help it for convention's sake. In the old days, I would stumble upon crazy IP networks with weird masks like 255.255.255.1. On it, even numbered hosts were on a different segment than odd numbered hosts. Thankfully CIDR (/24) notation has saved us from that potential nightmare. Some things tend change over time. Usually driven by "Industry Acceptance" and "Best Practices". Thus is the nature of anything designed by Humans. - Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 16:36:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKaYVO022353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:36:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VKaYad022352 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:36:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKaYMG022348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:36:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKaSwu014026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:36:29 -0400 Received: from randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VKaFwH029412 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 16:36:16 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75328905A2 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:36:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605311338.19423.steve@szmidt.org> <447DDFC6.6080502@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <447DDFC6.6080502@mathey.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605311636.09704.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.175, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.17, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 31 May 2006 14:26, Chris Mathey wrote: > > A hub is in other terms a "repeater" because when an ethernet frame A repeater is not used to repeat to a bunch of ports, but to extend a network leg. To extend the length of a network. (Which can be done just as well with a switch.) In using a hub or switch as a 'repeater' you only use two ports to extend the physical reach of the network cable. You can call it whatever you want, but using wrong terms when educating someone is never a good idea. A hub can be used as a repeater. As can a bridge and a router. But you don't go around calling them repeaters. An important distinction. > Basically my statement was that if you go buy a router from compusa > netgear\dlink\linksys\et al they are switches and not hubs. Yes. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 17:48:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLmwIt022912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:48:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VLmwXU022911 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:48:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLmweN022907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:48:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLmrYW018265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:48:57 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLmhBB025964 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:48:43 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6172518D364 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 14:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:48:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605311327.43105.steve@szmidt.org> <447DFAF4.4020304@nks.net> In-Reply-To: <447DFAF4.4020304@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605311748.37318.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.214, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.21) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 31 May 2006 16:22, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > At one point I _swear_ *.0 was used as a broadcast, and was common on a > number of IP stacks. Hmm interesting, I never ran into it. But with MS anything is possible. They tried to take over the Internet with their bogus standards, once the cognited on the Internet that is. Fortunately we did not have a bunch of fools running it and they did not have enough foothold at the time to be able to just make people do it their way by incorporating it into windows. A bunch of saboteurs if you ask me. The drive of these people to undermine the whole computer world just for a buck, well many bucks, but never the less. Adopt and alter. Got some great cross platform tool working? We'll take it and make sure it only work for us! Obviously one could do it any way one felt like, but as you point out, that's what standards are for. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 17:59:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLx5R2022979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:59:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VLx5r4022978 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:59:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLx4RN022974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:59:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLx31E018703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:59:04 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VLwmEX026641 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:58:52 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE7739833 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <447E119B.8050601@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 17:58:51 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <200605311338.19423.steve@szmidt.org> <447DDFC6.6080502@mathey.org> <200605311636.09704.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605311636.09704.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.068, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 31 May 2006 14:26, Chris Mathey wrote: > > >>A hub is in other terms a "repeater" because when an ethernet frame > > > A repeater is not used to repeat to a bunch of ports, but to extend a network > leg. To extend the length of a network. (Which can be done just as well with > a switch.) > > In using a hub or switch as a 'repeater' you only use two ports to extend the > physical reach of the network cable. > > You can call it whatever you want, but using wrong terms when educating > someone is never a good idea. A hub can be used as a repeater. As can a > bridge and a router. But you don't go around calling them repeaters. An > important distinction. > > >>Basically my statement was that if you go buy a router from compusa >>netgear\dlink\linksys\et al they are switches and not hubs. > > > Yes. Documentation I have read a hub is also refered to as a repeater. In fact ask 25 network engineers what a repeater is and they will all probably finger a hub (there are actually purpose built network extenters that could be refered to as a repeater as well). The way I explained I should of made the distinction as you pointed out. Also while we having a light heart discussion on this you wouldn't use a router to extend a network physically as you would be segmenting it. *also of note. I hope we haven't annoyed anyone with our networking topic as in essence it is off topic to this list. Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 18:14:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VMEvcc023144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:14:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k4VMEvZY023143 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:14:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VMEu62023139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:14:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VMEu1g020303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:14:56 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k4VMEdfo013847 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:14:39 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.26]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J05005B2HRZ7WD5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:14:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 18:14:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config In-reply-to: <200605311748.37318.steve@szmidt.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.tampabay.rr.com To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200605311327.43105.steve@szmidt.org> <447DFAF4.4020304@nks.net> <200605311748.37318.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 31 May 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 31 May 2006 16:22, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > >> At one point I _swear_ *.0 was used as a broadcast, and was common on a >> number of IP stacks. > > Hmm interesting, I never ran into it. But with MS anything is possible. > They tried to take over the Internet with their bogus standards, .NET -- The powers in charge keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not furnish the sums demanded. Yet these disasters seem never to have been quite real. -- D. MacArthur ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 20:20:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k510K9R7024267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:20:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k510K99w024266 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:20:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k510K9T4024262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:20:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k510K8Ki028901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:20:09 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k510JliJ023957 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 20:19:48 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB43B185477 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:19:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605311748.37318.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605312019.40824.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.532, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 31 May 2006 18:14, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 31 May 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Wednesday 31 May 2006 16:22, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > >> At one point I _swear_ *.0 was used as a broadcast, and was common on a > >> number of IP stacks. > > > > Hmm interesting, I never ran into it. But with MS anything is possible. > > They tried to take over the Internet with their bogus standards, > > .NET What I'm talking about is their attempt to replace DNS back in the -90's (with WINS, which is a failure even by their standards) once they realized this was something new and popular which they did not control. (And they did take quite a while for them to catch on the idea of the Internet.) They also started to use the word domain to reflect a MS domain, not at all working the same as a domain on the Internet. One of the many 'nice' things they have done is to adopt this really good network authentication protocol for securing a campus type layout, a protocol called Kerberos. It has a few unused bytes at the end of it which is reserved for future use. Only the MS "implementation" uses those bytes in such a way that it's incompatible with standard Kerberos. This means that if you have a Unix box it will not work with the windows version, but it will work the other way around... Swell, is it not?! Somebody got a nice promotion for that one I'm sure. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 21:13:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k511DlWI024683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:13:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k511Dlrm024682 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:13:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k511DlsO024678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:13:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k511DlQ7031396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:13:47 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (ip-208-97-132-53.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.53]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k511DWfA031070 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 21:13:32 -0400 Received: from ws11.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-99-241-66.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.99.241.66]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9349CEEB38 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 18:13:31 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:13:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200605311636.09704.steve@szmidt.org> <447E119B.8050601@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <447E119B.8050601@mathey.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605312113.29996.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.23, required 6, AWL -0.37, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_66 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 31 May 2006 17:58, Chris Mathey wrote: > Documentation I have read a hub is also refered to as a repeater. > In fact ask 25 network engineers what a repeater is and they will all > probably finger a hub (there are actually purpose built network > extenters that could be refered to as a repeater as well). > The way I explained I should of made the distinction as you pointed out. > > Also while we having a light heart discussion on this you wouldn't > use a router to extend a network physically as you would be segmenting it. My point was that it too could be called a repeater if you wanted. Not optimum but it still can extend a network. Incidentally I am a network engineer, since early Novell days. Technology changes are constantly changing the environment we work in and today most people think router=switch due to their integration. Bridges are working on multiple layers. Even filtering traffic. Fiber allows really long segments, etc. If you wanted to extend a network today you'd use a switch, as you would have used a hub in the 'old' days. > *also of note. I hope we haven't annoyed anyone with our networking > topic as in essence it is off topic to this list. Not at all, this is very much on topic. This IS a computer list. We discuss all things computer related - even windows... -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 22:59:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k512x3Fu025456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:59:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k512x3qc025455 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:59:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k512x3FH025451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:59:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k512x3Af006017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:59:03 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k512wp9b006895 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:58:52 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060601025851.LFJU8328.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 22:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <447E66B1.6090801@cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:01:53 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <447CEF12.20404@cox.net> <447D8F3C.6040201@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <447D8F3C.6040201@mathey.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.941, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.76, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chris Mathey wrote: > michael hast wrote: > >> You know, most consumer-grade routers with multiple ports function as >> a hub and not a switch. I just picked up a Nortel Baystack 24-port >> switch on ebay for $10.00. I searched locally so I wouldn't have to >> pay for shipping. There are tons of deals like this out there due to >> corporate lease returns. There are several nice things about one >> like this. One, you can plug your stuff into it and it works. No >> crossover cables, no configuring, no nothing. It just works. >> Another thing I like is the fact that I'm not likely to ever have >> more than 24 ethernet devices to plug in (including the router). The >> last thing that is a real kicker about this thing to me is that with >> one cable going from my Netgear router and then three boxen plugged >> into the switch, the network tuns startlingly faster than going >> straight out the ports of the router. If you would prefer to work >> with what you have, I understand that too. I love configuring some >> things. Others, it's kind of a lost cause. That's my $.02 on this >> deal. Thanks. >> --Michael >> >> > That's not exactly true. I have never seen a recent router with "hub" > ports. a hub is not full duplex, hubs are just repeaters, every host > connected see's every unicast and multicast. A switch know's every mac > address that is plugged into itself and only sends unicast frames to > the intended MAC address. Broadcast frames hit everything of course. > > when you say startlingly faster plugged into the baystack I am willing > to bet you had a duplex mismatch when you were plugged into the router > switch ports. > > -Chris > If by "duplex mismatch" you mean that I had a box running base 10 that was slowing down the entire network, that makes sense, but all the nics I'm using are capable of 100 and the router indeed had the proper LED color to show that it was proportedly running at full duplex. I will concede, however, that my router may be a piece of crap and not capable of switching at full duplex. I don't know. Maybe I'm just blowing bubbles. ;-) --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 23:08:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k5138Je6025581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:08:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k5138JfY025580 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:08:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k5138Jtv025576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:08:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k5138IHg006728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:08:18 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k51389Sw006365 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:08:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060601030807.IVVQ16541.centrmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:08:07 -0400 Message-ID: <447E68DE.6070809@cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:11:10 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <447CEF12.20404@cox.net> <447D8F3C.6040201@mathey.org> <200605311338.19423.steve@szmidt.org> <447DDFC6.6080502@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <447DDFC6.6080502@mathey.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.335, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.22, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chris Mathey wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: >> On Wednesday 31 May 2006 08:42, Chris Mathey wrote: >> >>> That's not exactly true. I have never seen a recent router with "hub" >>> ports. a hub is not full duplex, hubs are just repeaters, every host >>> connected see's every unicast and multicast. A switch know's every mac >>> address that is plugged into itself and only sends unicast frames to >>> the >>> intended MAC address. Broadcast frames hit everything of course. >> >> >> Well this is not correct. A hub differs from a switch in that it will >> route traffic to all ports, much like a broadcast. While a switch >> will route it only to the correct port, where it's internal notes >> tracks what port each MAC (NIC) address uses. >> >> A hub is not a repeater, it's old technology from before switches >> were invented. Once switches showed up they solved the problems of >> collisions that the original hubs had. >> An Ethernet network was designed to have collisions of packets, and >> could in real life sustain about 30% of the traffic being collisions. >> Passing 30% it degraded rapidly. >> >> The switch solved the problem neatly and has but all replaced the use >> of hubs. >> > > > > A hub is in other terms a "repeater" because when an ethernet frame > enters one of its ports it "repeats" that frame to all other ports. It > also amplifies the signal. In this environment (collision domain) the > protocol CSMA/CD to detect collisions. > > Also a hub can only provide half duplex communication because a hub > takes the signal from the active incoming port and immediately pushes > the signal out on all outgoing ports at the same time after signal > amplification. Because this is going on at the same time, a hub needs > to do it in half duplex fashion. > > Basically my statement was that if you go buy a router from compusa > netgear\dlink\linksys\et al they are switches and not hubs. The > internal software creates a separate VLAN for the WAN port and routes > between them. > > Chris > > > I would be interested to see if this is true. Of course, the manufacturer is going to claim whatever is better, but it seems to me that a consumer piece of equipment, like M$ itself, is going to be built for rapid reproduction and profit rather than function. Like I said in another response in this thread, I don't know. But, I'm speaking from personal observation. Whether they claim "switch" or not, I believe that the basic four-port routers that you see on the market are not switches, but hubs. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 23:11:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513B4P6025606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:11:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k513B4K8025605 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:11:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513B3GH025601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:11:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513B3U3006862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:11:03 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513AjFh031284 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:10:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060601031045.MCVB14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:10:45 -0400 Message-ID: <447E697A.1040109@cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:13:46 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <200605311338.19423.steve@szmidt.org> <447DDFC6.6080502@mathey.org> <200605311636.09704.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605311636.09704.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.483, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.37, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >> Basically my statement was that if you go buy a router from compusa >> netgear\dlink\linksys\et al they are switches and not hubs. >> > > Yes. > How do you know? Because they say so? Please! --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 23:21:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513Lf01025747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:21:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k513LfwI025746 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:21:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513LfgU025742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:21:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513LZ08007524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:21:41 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513K5O8000990 for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:20:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060601031949.MMCI14774.centrmmtao04.cox.net@[192.168.0.3]> for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:19:49 -0400 Message-ID: <447E6B9B.7060609@cox.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:22:51 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060420) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] LAN config References: <200605311636.09704.steve@szmidt.org> <447E119B.8050601@mathey.org> <200605312113.29996.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200605312113.29996.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.028, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > >> *also of note. I hope we haven't annoyed anyone with our networking >> topic as in essence it is off topic to this list. >> > > Not at all, this is very much on topic. This IS a computer list. We discuss > all things computer related - even windows... > > ...not to mention that the topic of this particular thread is networking... --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed May 31 23:34:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513Y52D025822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:34:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k513Y5Yh025821 for slug-track29; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:34:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513Y4Aa025817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:34:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513XorJ008091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:34:04 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k513XbN2008493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:33:38 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Fldvd-000839-TI for slug@nks.net; Wed, 31 May 2006 23:32:58 -0400 Subject: [SLUG] Code Poets! 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