From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 1 01:01:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7151XC3010344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:01:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7151Xlq010343 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:01:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7151WtN010339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:01:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7151WV3005052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:01:32 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71515TO016250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:01:05 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G7mNL-0004iW-Vt for slug@nks.net; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:01:04 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 98AC556EC5; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net From: paulf@quillandmouse.com Subject: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies Message-Id: <20060801050101.98AC556EC5@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.936, required 6, AWL -2.98, BAYES_60 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96, SARE_UNSUB31 0.46, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net MAILING LIST POLICIES ===================== Revised 2006-02-01 R3.0 ----------------------------------------------------- CONTENT WE ACCEPT (IN ORDER OF DECREASING BANDWIDTH): ----------------------------------------------------- 1) Technical (Linux or computer-related) questions and answers. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 1 10:38:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71EcuAw015328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:38:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k71Ecufe015327 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:38:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71Ectr3015323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:38:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71Ectpa009861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:38:55 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (enterprise.washpat.com [71.122.228.131]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71EchV3015378 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:38:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.69] ([192.168.10.69]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Build 103 8.9.3p2/NT-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10307 for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:38:12 -0400 Message-ID: <44CF676E.7070500@washpat.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2006 10:38:38 -0400 From: aaron steimle User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Congratulations on wedding! References: <44CE4FC1.2050008@washpat.com> <200607311622.22525.steve@szmidt.org> <05a601c6b4e2$4e663ed0$0f49490a@fifteen> In-Reply-To: <05a601c6b4e2$4e663ed0$0f49490a@fifteen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.799, required 6, AWL -1.80, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks everyone and congrads Bob. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 1 18:55:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71MtukY019431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:55:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k71MtuoL019430 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:55:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71MttBa019425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:55:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71Mttc8008632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:55:55 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.195]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k71MthN0008925 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:55:44 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so1539806hub for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WHBBjyeXgUHEfBE64C3IwjKD2y444gl+00Df/OL4wPipg/x6+ftcZyBHMj5oPFs8eMqTubpiy2Mjq7DacmiKdgYhIV410yfN/eRxlvW3FqiJK2Z07OBgus/ucxjb9EvSlC6HkTiZPAVcLpgOkB1oNDi8/koCLaXu1Ca6Ch7fMZc= Received: by 10.78.128.15 with SMTP id a15mr63050hud; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608011555v5ffae2b9se76675c9e0be7010@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 18:55:42 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Files fofr compile under SuSE 10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.27, required 6, AWL -0.33, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am trying to compile a program (QtDSO-0.2) so I can do some testing of a noise issue. The program will allow me to use a Velleman oscilloscope box with my laptop. This is a new one for me, I wonder if any of you have per chance tried this program, I am wondering if I am going to need to change things about in order to get it to compile. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 1 21:52:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k721qg0l020919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:52:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k721qg6D020918 for slug-track29; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:52:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k721qf6U020914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:52:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k721qelu019463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:52:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k721qMBG001413 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:52:22 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k721qLvc022613 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1G85uG-0003KN-O3 for slug@nks.net; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 21:52:20 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 21:52:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20060731023318.704EB56EC4@sherman.mars.lan> In-Reply-To: <20060731023318.704EB56EC4@sherman.mars.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608012152.19929.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.133, required 6, AWL -1.67, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:33, Paul M Foster wrote: > BRANDON ************************************************** > > 3 August 20:00-22:00 Brandon > (first Thursday of each month) > > Brandon Barnes & Noble > Brandon Town Center > Brandon, FL > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. Was this happening this month? -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 00:07:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7247SmX022075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:07:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7247SVA022074 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:07:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7247SNs022070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:07:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7247RVK027658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:07:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7246omo029029 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:06:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7246mjk013614 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 00:06:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 01:26:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <20060731023318.704EB56EC4@sherman.mars.lan> <200608012152.19929.jasonb@edseek.com> In-Reply-To: <200608012152.19929.jasonb@edseek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608020126.02788.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.155, required 6, AWL -1.40, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 01 August 2006 21:52, Jason Boxman wrote: > On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:33, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > BRANDON ************************************************** > > > > 3 August 20:00-22:00 Brandon > > (first Thursday of each month) > > > > Brandon Barnes & Noble > > Brandon Town Center > > Brandon, FL > > > > See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. > > Was this happening this month? Yes, this Thursday night. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 07:03:33 2006 Received: from casinomail82.com (26.Red-83-43-5.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [83.43.5.26]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k72B3Uxv025637 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 07:03:32 -0400 Message-Id: <200608021103.k72B3Uxv025637@slug-list-00.nks.net> From: "EUROPEAN LOTTERY INTERNATIONAL." 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Yours faithfully, MRS Lisa Sanchez http://lottostrategies.com./ http://www.lottonet.com --87ab410a-0d75-4bcb-b586-ffff1f5e92bb-- From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 10:08:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72E8AnK027231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:08:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72E8AoE027230 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:08:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72E89tR027226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:08:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72E89FP030717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:08:09 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72E7mje011384 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:07:49 -0400 Received: from billspc ([24.73.66.178]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3D0020AJ8CCJHB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:07:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:07:31 -0400 From: "Bill Glidden" Subject: [SLUG] CUPS / filter question To: Message-id: <0J3D0020DJ8CCJHB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C6B61B.7821EFA0" Thread-index: Aca2PP4erNodvgoUQyu0FrKf8cKVXw== X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.502, required 6, AWL -0.50, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C6B61B.7821EFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good morning, I have a receipt printer that I have installed on my Linux server, and configured as a RAW printer via CUPS. I can print to it just fine. What I would like to do is have a single escape sequence sent to the printer at the end of the print job. I am assuming that a CUPS filter can do this job. Where I am slightly confused is in how to tell CUPS to use this filter for this printer. I know that a PPD file can specify the filter, but this isn't a post-script printer so I don't need a PPD file. Can I have a PPD file that just specifies a filter to use? Is there a simpler way? Thanks for any advice. Bill Glidden ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C6B61B.7821EFA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good morning,

 

I have a receipt printer that I have installed on my = Linux server, and configured as a RAW printer via CUPS. I can print to it just = fine. What I would like to do is have a single escape sequence sent to the = printer at the end of the print job. I am assuming that a CUPS filter can do this = job. Where I am slightly confused is in how to tell CUPS to use this filter for = this printer. I know that a PPD file can specify the filter, but this = isn’t a post-script printer so I don’t need a PPD file. Can I have a PPD = file that just specifies a filter to use? Is there a simpler = way?

 

Thanks for any advice.

 

Bill Glidden

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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 13:43:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HhUl2029002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:43:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72HhUYH029001 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:43:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HhTSE028997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:43:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HhTGV010765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:43:29 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-60.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.60]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Hh4gD030730 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:43:09 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73DE195432 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:43:03 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping. Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:43:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200607230947.57011.steve@szmidt.org> <200607231400.03005.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200607231400.03005.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.768, required 6, AWL -0.23, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 23 July 2006 14:00, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > > At this point I'm running SLED 10.1 on one of my computers until I find > > it not worth while. (And I'm putting SuSE 10?) on another to compare the > > two. > > That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing. > > Don Any feedback yet? I'm getting annoyed over what seems like muddled yum support. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 13:47:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HlCDi029049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:47:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72HlCAJ029048 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:47:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HlCF3029044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:47:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HlBB3010977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:47:12 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-98.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.98]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Hku5w004820 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:46:56 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80AD1855A7 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:46:55 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:47:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.793, required 6, AWL -0.68, BAYES_05 -1.11, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Question for those running one of the above. Does the user run as a user with root privileges, or is there a password involved when needing root privileges? Looks like it might be bypassing the security of running as a normal user, but I'm not sure if I got it right. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 13:54:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HsjOg029102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:54:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72HsjQ1029101 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:54:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Hsj1M029097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:54:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Hsibt011328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:54:45 -0400 Received: from navgwout.symantec.com (navgwout.symantec.com [198.6.49.12]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72HsW3c001426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:54:33 -0400 Received: from cup2opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com (cup2opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com [155.64.1.114]) by navgwout.symantec.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k72HsQYM002386 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 10:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.82.152.191] (helo=ROSXCHCON3.enterprise.veritas.com) by cup2opsmtapin01.ges.symantec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G8KvK-00065z-Jd for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 10:54:26 -0700 Received: from ROSXCHCLN7.enterprise.veritas.com ([10.82.152.178]) by ROSXCHCON3.enterprise.veritas.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:54:25 -0500 Received: rosxchcln7.enterprise.veritas.com 10.82.152.178 from 10.70.86.37 10.70.86.37 via HTTP with MS-WebStorage 6.0.6249 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051115 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:54:03 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu From: Brian Radwanski To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu Thread-Index: Aca2XKPr4me9DiJPEdui7AAWy9Bkrw== In-Reply-To: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2006 17:54:26.0077 (UTC) FILETIME=[B1ACB4D0:01C6B65C] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.002, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pretty sure it uses sudo, or sudo related functionality. On 8/2/06 1:47 PM, "steve szmidt" wrote: > Question for those running one of the above. > > Does the user run as a user with root privileges, or is there a password > involved when needing root privileges? > > Looks like it might be bypassing the security of running as a normal user, but > I'm not sure if I got it right. Sent using the Microsoft Entourage 2004 for Mac Test Drive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 14:10:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IAaAX029278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:10:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72IAarT029277 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:10:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IAZQr029273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:10:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IAZtO012599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:10:35 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IAC82004118 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:10:13 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so754948nfc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:10:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qJUGjY+qf5NzdHFkaOH+C0srHJCvrXLuWlFRHZcMuKw6blD1VkZ6B7Fu1biM52YAMnphzJ3cLZh9WS31ViRo6aPSrMDOpzHqBo4mZ6VRaAkou3h2y0WZ7LilqYO8pGEj4Zy9lyFbBhJuZT5lz+53WkzEow4kKvIu8HRgv+nX7Yw= Received: by 10.82.103.11 with SMTP id a11mr326772buc; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608021110w4d1846aerd4728bd006587166@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:10:11 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22279_30962799.1154542211258" References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.376, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_22279_30962799.1154542211258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/2/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > Question for those running one of the above. > > Does the user run as a user with root privileges, or is there a password > involved when needing root privileges? > > Looks like it might be bypassing the security of running as a normal user, > but > I'm not sure if I got it right. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt Assuming things have not changed from Hoary, default installation had the user running non-privileged, with sudoers entry to enable user to sudo all commands (after prompting for user 's password). No root password by default, so can't log in to root by password. sudo -s -H (followed by user's password) for shell as root. visudo or otherwise update /etc/sudoers to customize to taste. ~ Daniel ------=_Part_22279_30962799.1154542211258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/2/06, steve szmidt <steve@szmidt.org> wrote:
Question for those running one of the above.

Does the user run as a user with root privileges, or is there a password
involved when needing root privileges?

Looks like it might be bypassing the security of running as a normal user, but
I'm not sure if I got it right.

--

Steve Szmidt


Assuming things have not changed from Hoary, default installation had the user running non-privileged, with sudoers entry to enable user to sudo all commands (after prompting for user 's password).  No root password by default, so can't log in to root by password.

sudo -s -H (followed by user's password) for shell as root.  visudo or otherwise update /etc/sudoers to customize to taste.

~ Daniel
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 14:23:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72INMqd029444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:23:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72INMDq029443 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:23:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72INMrX029439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:23:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72INLMt013753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:23:21 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IN1hW003951 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:23:02 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3D008XCV1UOKTC@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:22:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-reply-to: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.518, required 6, AWL -0.48, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > Question for those running one of the above. > > Does the user run as a user with root privileges, or is there a password > involved when needing root privileges? > > Looks like it might be bypassing the security of running as a normal user, > but I'm not sure if I got it right. I set root up as usual, su/sudo to do whatever, but others say root shouldn't have a password. I have yet to see how you could have root with no password, and at the same time avoid a security hole you could drive a truck through. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 Are you confident that you appear to be professional in your electronic communication? Consider this: A: No Q: Can I top post? from nick@xx.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 14:40:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IeB5J029573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:40:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72IeBBY029572 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:40:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IeATZ029568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:40:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IeAEl015026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:40:10 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IdsYZ028888 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:39:54 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id t32so1831108pyc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GuyOc+wUtby0loX/RbkeAkJs/vs+oZBWO7rXDrSoCQVpZ3oEs6fi8yh8aAaA7uuyaa10AAjODVlKDGtLd6Iw4d5E5Afq9DZiesWOH26m942DRyZ91R2EdhgGKsNRq6saUZG5X55+6c4tB5jVWXcoP6iKRAFwVpnFYGx9GVZBQIY= Received: by 10.35.99.5 with SMTP id b5mr1890021pym; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608021139l83383del658d812c4e9e083e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:39:53 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.495, required 6, AWL -1.31, BAYES_40 -0.18, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I set root up as usual, su/sudo to do whatever, but others say root > shouldn't have a password. I have yet to see how you could have root with > no password, and at the same time avoid a security hole you could drive a > truck through. Root with no password meaning that root can't log in, not that everybody can log in as root. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 14:53:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IrwDS029667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:53:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72Irwp3029666 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:53:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IrwVQ029662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:53:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IrwZe015754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:53:58 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IrbS7008899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:53:37 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Irbbi001902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:53:37 -0400 Message-ID: <44D0F4B0.2030508@blenke.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:53:36 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.149, required 6, AWL -1.15, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: >> Does the user run as a user with root privileges, or is there a password >> involved when needing root privileges? >> >> Looks like it might be bypassing the security of running as a normal >> user, but I'm not sure if I got it right. > > > I set root up as usual, su/sudo to do whatever, but others say root > shouldn't have a password. I have yet to see how you could have root > with no password, and at the same time avoid a security hole you could > drive a truck through. Mac OS/X uses this same technique. The password on the root account is just there for humans to obtain a shell as root directly via login or ssh without ssh key trust. It really isn't necessary to have a root password at all. When a system boots, the init scripts are spawned as root and fork daemons running as real users giving up their rights as root in the process. No need for a password. Some binaries are setuid root, and are paranoid as to limit their actions as root as much as possible. Sudo is one of these binaries. It is careful to follow the configuration in /etc/sudoers to only allow certain users to run certain commands. By default, an "administrative user" is trusted implicitly to do whatever they want to after authenticating themselves (thus sudo's challenge to enter your password when you try and run a command as root). Sudo also logs what commands were run, and by whom, for a basic (though alterable) audit log of sorts. If you need root at a console, you have multiple ways of obtaining it: 1. Login as a normal user and: - sudo to root - setup root key trust with a user account with a passphrase protected key, then ssh to localhost with the passphrase. 2. Boot any linux kernel with "rw init=/bin/bash" and take it from there. Another method of running things as root is to setup ssh key trust for administrators to ssh in as root and run whatever they must. There is much risk in this, but security is all about mitigating acceptable risks. If you need to restrict what a user can run, there are always shells like "rssh" (restricted shell, not the bsd remote shell). Seriously, I rarely su anymore, and only then to parade around as a non-root user. When we must become root on a box, we have key trust to "become root". We have two senior administrators in charge of changing and maintaining root passwords, which seems a rather waste of time to me. I've long ago forgotten our root password scheme at NKS, and really don't care. I have never needed a root password to do my job. I've long argued for disabling the root password altogether. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 14:58:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwT3E029704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72IwSik029703 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwSxd029699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwSho015979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:28 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwB3h009417 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:11 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3D004D2WODUW9J@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:57:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608021139l83383del658d812c4e9e083e@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310608021139l83383del658d812c4e9e083e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.133, required 6, AWL -1.13, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> I set root up as usual, su/sudo to do whatever, but others say root >> shouldn't have a password. I have yet to see how you could have root with >> no password, and at the same time avoid a security hole you could drive a >> truck through. > > Root with no password meaning that root can't log in, not that > everybody can log in as root. If user X can do things as root without supplying the root password (because there is none) but rather his own (which he can set to whatever), then the root account is no more secure than X's account. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 14:58:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwYKR029716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72IwYwZ029715 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwYAf029711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwX41015988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:34 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72IwHcP008073 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:18 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so770748nfc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:58:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Xhd3D0uBYvHpzR5dyodlqX/51j5axzw1gUxr5eO2e//HKo/z82oFcuAF90DDK11qOb6j9iQSyJwaZtxHQZQn44Sdsd1dMhFm5uuhqH7Zr/CvU2kG8DoKoH7CCETaijM3Nm5frQT6uQPZqkQpbz9fg7A4DGGFBujwQy5YsYgLRDs= Received: by 10.82.109.19 with SMTP id h19mr341530buc; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608021158q13833c50o8c43511b12b17cbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:58:16 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CUPS / filter question In-Reply-To: <0J3D0020DJ8CCJHB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23054_16137548.1154545096431" References: <0J3D0020DJ8CCJHB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.493, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_00_10 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_23054_16137548.1154545096431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hrm, I haven't created PPDs just for a filter, so YMMV on this, but I don't see any reason why you couldn't have your filter just cat the input to stdout, followed by your escape sequence. Raw is by definition unfiltered (null filter - in mime.convs), so you wouldn't be raw anymore, but your filter would in effect cat the input without modifications, followed by your control character. So your idea should work. As far as an easier way than the PPD cupsFilter route goes, what protocol/backend do you use to send data to your printer? Depending on what you are relying on cups to do, a solution that would not rely on a PPD of your creation to specify a filter of your creation, is to create a backend instead of a filter. Cups backends are almost identical to filters, same arguments, just a different stage in the process. You would print to your backend raw... and the main difference is your backend would be responsible for sending the input data (either stdin or as a file, depending on how the print was submitted) to the printer. So if all you need is a cat to a locally attached lp0 or similar, then the backend way may be easier for you (though likely less reliable) than the filter and letting cups backends do the hairier printer communication. ~ Daniel ------=_Part_23054_16137548.1154545096431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hrm, I haven't created PPDs just for a filter, so YMMV on this, but I don't see any reason why you couldn't have your filter just cat the input to stdout, followed by your escape sequence.  Raw is by definition unfiltered (null filter - in mime.convs), so you wouldn't be raw anymore, but your filter would in effect cat the input without modifications, followed by your control character.  So your idea should work.

As far as an easier way than the PPD cupsFilter route goes, what protocol/backend do you use to send data to your printer?  Depending on what you are relying on cups to do, a solution that would not rely on a PPD of your creation to specify a filter of your creation, is to create a backend instead of a filter.  Cups backends are almost identical to filters, same arguments, just a different stage in the process.  You would print to your backend raw... and the main difference is your backend would be responsible for sending the input data (either stdin or as a file, depending on how the print was submitted) to the printer.  So if all you need is a cat to a locally attached lp0 or similar, then the backend way may be easier for you (though likely less reliable) than the filter and letting cups backends do the hairier printer communication.

~ Daniel
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 15:05:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72J56oO029842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:05:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72J566w029841 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:05:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72J56dw029837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:05:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72J564t016491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:05:06 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72J4qOh011564 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:04:52 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id t32so1839355pyc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:04:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cfG4swNSWRr9CfTaiqU8cDJLQ31PZyUJ8YozuBWNEnKSUDW3oNIhiWwbZ/uCbIdL68zbtX1tW/JxDPRBfcvRl06cpRSYiTbFjJwoQFKpI5WwsqaTpzM76VDZrhxqAj20U1eMUFTgEbVjME1CWsbYh3Bs48onIxYHXl6XaNuvkHg= Received: by 10.35.78.9 with SMTP id f9mr1867536pyl; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608021204l4d5e4799u8458358bd79b8a1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:04:51 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310608021139l83383del658d812c4e9e083e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.064, required 6, AWL -0.32, BAYES_20 -0.74, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > If user X can do things as root without supplying the root password (because > there is none) but rather his own (which he can set to whatever), then the > root account is no more secure than X's account. The thing is, sudo is configurable to allow users to only do certain things as root. For example, you can allow a user to only have root privileges to run apt-get. This is much more secure than giving that user the root password (on a system that has one). -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CUPS / filter question References: <0J3D0020DJ8CCJHB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <125d27dd0608021158q13833c50o8c43511b12b17cbd@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0608021158q13833c50o8c43511b12b17cbd@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.356, required 6, AWL -1.36, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daniel Jarboe wrote: > Hrm, I haven't created PPDs just for a filter, so YMMV on this, but I > don't see any reason why you couldn't have your filter just cat the > input to stdout, followed by your escape sequence. Raw is by > definition unfiltered (null filter - in mime.convs), so you wouldn't > be raw anymore, but your filter would in effect cat the input without > modifications, followed by your control character. So your idea > should work. > > As far as an easier way than the PPD cupsFilter route goes, what > protocol/backend do you use to send data to your printer? Depending > on what you are relying on cups to do, a solution that would not rely > on a PPD of your creation to specify a filter of your creation, is to > create a backend instead of a filter. Cups backends are almost > identical to filters, same arguments, just a different stage in the > process. You would print to your backend raw... and the main > difference is your backend would be responsible for sending the input > data (either stdin or as a file, depending on how the print was > submitted) to the printer. So if all you need is a cat to a locally > attached lp0 or similar, then the backend way may be easier for you > (though likely less reliable) than the filter and letting cups > backends do the hairier printer communication. Looking into Daniel's suggestion a bit, it looks like this is relatively simple. Follow something like the universal "beh" script: http://linuxprinting.org/beh.html It's a simple perl script that you put into the backend directory, and it intercepts backend errors. $ cd /usr/lib/cups/backend/ $ wget 'http://linuxprinting.org/download.cgi?filename=beh&show=0' $ chmod 755 beh Taking beh as a template, you can easily modify it to append your escape sequence to the end of the printFile before handing it off to the original backend. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 15:41:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72JfF0x030154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:41:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72JfF5p030153 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:41:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72JfFbJ030149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:41:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72JfFN8018814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:41:15 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.202]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Jf20D010859 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:41:02 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.32]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:41:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:41:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:40:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:40:36 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2006 19:41:01.0366 (UTC) FILETIME=[95905D60:01C6B66B] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.353, required 6, AWL -2.40, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ubuntu is set up to use sudo for most things. There is no root password set by default but it's easy enough to set one up using "sudo passwd root". I run Slackware but I do play around with others. Ubuntu isn't bad but I found the sudo thing annoying and set up a regular root account so as to be able to "su" when needed. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: steve szmidt Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:47:46 -0400 Question for those running one of the above. Does the user run as a user with root privileges, or is there a password involved when needing root privileges? Looks like it might be bypassing the security of running as a normal user, but I'm not sure if I got it right. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 15:44:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72JiRo5030182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:44:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72JiRwO030181 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:44:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72JiRLi030177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:44:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72JiQxo019071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:44:26 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72JhsUQ014058 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:43:55 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so785494nfc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:43:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CxeXfwnhH9AqTaNSbVNlalxdKPY8IxV6gKqdgGRUDBPLW8vERvozFaFsJ5xFZl3cyCYerh7WDdeluleXFz+vwybPjVr1z8uViZTkqLCNuHPetoF9WOvpmMqGPi71WKkUEZKJuXcDdJfZUy8LOG57Hb8bQAJrf1sGezQUb41fbj0= Received: by 10.82.101.3 with SMTP id y3mr357455bub; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608021243o6e1c589cue79287aea1f3b43e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:43:53 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608021204l4d5e4799u8458358bd79b8a1e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23604_12471436.1154547833203" References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310608021139l83383del658d812c4e9e083e@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608021204l4d5e4799u8458358bd79b8a1e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.923, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_23604_12471436.1154547833203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/2/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > > If user X can do things as root without supplying the root password > (because > > there is none) but rather his own (which he can set to whatever), then > the > > root account is no more secure than X's account. > > The thing is, sudo is configurable to allow users to only do certain > things as root. For example, you can allow a user to only have root > privileges to run apt-get. This is much more secure than giving that > user the root password (on a system that has one). > Two things... in the Ubuntu setup, if you update sudoers to allow sudo only for apt-get to run as root, you've completely locked yourself out of root otherwise to maintain your system... without booting into single user mode or apt-get installing a package with an installation script to give you additional access, or taking advantage of some other exposure. So it's not exactly that cut and dry in real-world use (though otherwise a perfectly true statement!). Eben's first statement about root account is no more secure than X's account is not entirely true either. If the user is running as root and executes a trojan/worm or similar, then *Boom* sayonara sweetheart. However, if the trojan is required to prompt the user for a password (root or user) to escalate privileges before doing damage, then that is an additional layer of protection over running as root. It's only as strong as the user's suspicion "why does this task require access that only system configuration tasks require" registering before he/she finishes answering the prompt... but "no more secure" is far too generalized a statement. Not trying to be overly pedantic, but it seemed worth mentioning. ~ Daniel ------=_Part_23604_12471436.1154547833203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/2/06, Levi Bard <taktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktak@gmail.com> wrote:
> If user X can do things as root without supplying the root password (because
> there is none) but rather his own (which he can set to whatever), then the
> root account is no more secure than X's account.

The thing is, sudo is configurable to allow users to only do certain
things as root.  For example, you can allow a user to only have root
privileges to run apt-get.  This is much more secure than giving that
user the root password (on a system that has one).


Two things... in the Ubuntu setup, if you update sudoers to allow sudo only for apt-get to run as root, you've completely locked yourself out of root otherwise to maintain your system... without booting into single user mode or apt-get installing a package with an installation script to give you additional access, or taking advantage of some other exposure.  So it's not exactly that cut and dry in real-world use (though otherwise a perfectly true statement!).

Eben's first statement about root account is no more secure than X's account is not entirely true either.  If the user is running as root and executes a trojan/worm or similar, then *Boom* sayonara sweetheart.  However, if the trojan is required to prompt the user for a password (root or user) to escalate privileges before doing damage, then that is an additional layer of protection over running as root.  It's only as strong as the user's suspicion "why does this task require access that only system configuration tasks require" registering before he/she finishes answering the prompt... but "no more secure" is far too generalized a statement.

Not trying to be overly pedantic, but it seemed worth mentioning.
~ Daniel
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 16:11:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72KB2g2030428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:11:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72KB25l030427 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72KB11x030419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72KB13V021034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:11:01 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72KAhNo005451 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:10:43 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id t32so1860525pyc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Kq7Tkl2g5lLRunSJeXiBt0sieUd8sEPbiwQvZ1T5t0lSKv3f6ALYF+ISsExKfmbFXd8vxS9h2IZ6fesRNvMPtL0LxwINXekvwYRfSYlRA62VL/f+rgHy4jMsjzYpLyWqlj2+DBIgR3DtsCCurFzFBWEb9x31woO1rtCNNycXFZQ= Received: by 10.35.51.13 with SMTP id d13mr1996100pyk; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608021310w35fa014awe782a5b217190857@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 15:10:42 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0608021243o6e1c589cue79287aea1f3b43e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310608021139l83383del658d812c4e9e083e@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608021204l4d5e4799u8458358bd79b8a1e@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd0608021243o6e1c589cue79287aea1f3b43e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.571, required 6, AWL -1.57, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Two things... in the Ubuntu setup, if you update sudoers to allow sudo only > for apt-get to run as root, you've completely locked yourself out of root > otherwise to maintain your system... without booting into single user mode > or apt-get installing a package with an installation script to give you > additional access, or taking advantage of some other exposure. So it's not > exactly that cut and dry in real-world use (though otherwise a perfectly > true statement!). Yeah, I wasn't suggesting doing that for all users. You can manage sudo permissions on a per-user and/or per-group basis. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 17:07:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72L7kx8030913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:07:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72L7jlY030912 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72L7jgk030908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72L7jRC024140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:07:45 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72L7S85012268 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:07:29 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3E001192O79GM5@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:07:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:07:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.095, required 6, AWL -0.91, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Mason Mullins wrote: > Ubuntu is set up to use sudo for most things. There is no root password set > by default but it's easy enough to set one up using "sudo passwd root". > > I run Slackware but I do play around with others. Ubuntu isn't bad but I > found the sudo thing annoying and set up a regular root account so as to be > able to "su" when needed. You mean, you set root's shell to something "real", not /bin/false or similar? I pretty much have a normal account for root, except it's in a lot of groups, and important files are owned by it, and it can't log in by ssh. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 SCORPIO: Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window. Work a little harder on improving your low self esteem, you stupid freak. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 17:25:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LPs4v031104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:25:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72LPsRg031103 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:25:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LPsln031099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:25:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LPstx025641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:25:54 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LPgo6028640 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:25:42 -0400 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.100.92.142]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3E00KYY3IH93E8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 16:25:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:25:27 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping. In-reply-to: <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608021725.27537.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200607231400.03005.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.8 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.946, required 6, AWL -0.05, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 02 August 2006 13:43, steve szmidt wrote: > On Sunday 23 July 2006 14:00, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > > > At this point I'm running SLED 10.1 on one of my computers until I find > > > it not worth while. (And I'm putting SuSE 10?) on another to compare > > > the two. > > > > That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing. > > > > Don > > Any feedback yet? > > I'm getting annoyed over what seems like muddled yum support. No, not much I can say. I've got Suse 9.3, the current bread-and-butter installation, switched over to a RAID-1 (that went rather smoothly), SLED 10.1 on a partition on one drive, and on another machine the open source 10.1. As yet, I haven't done much running of the SLED 10.1 installation. One of the things that gave me fits in setting all of this up was getting grub setup. I suspect that there are some things going behind-the-scenes that are either not covered in the grub documentation, or if it is, it is pretty obscure. I could get any of the installations started by typing the stuff into a grub command line, but all the installation procedures seemed to do nothing, as if there was some hidden, magic file being used. In desperation I switched to LILO (which also didn't work) and switched back and suddenly the genie that was performing perverse magic was back in the bottle and everything worked logically. Actually those problems came before the Suse 10 installations. With the Suse10 installations the boot got magnificently screwed up again. However, by using YAST with Suse 10, it was straightforward, fixable without hours and hours of cursing, reading docs, and questioning one's sanity. Part of the grub problem most likely has to do with all the installations it was finding. On the machine that has the open source Suse 10.1 there is a drive with WN98SE so it is the usual Windows/Linux type of setup. The Suse install went perfectly including the grub setup. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 17:43:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LheFx031236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72LheYT031235 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Lhds4031231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LhdVM026716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:39 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.147]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LhMqK011168 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:23 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.31]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:43:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:43:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:43:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:43:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2006 21:43:22.0376 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD259880:01C6B67C] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.077, required 6, AWL -3.68, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:07:28 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Mason Mullins wrote: >Ubuntu is set up to use sudo for most things. There is no root password set >by default but it's easy enough to set one up using "sudo passwd root". > >I run Slackware but I do play around with others. Ubuntu isn't bad but I >found the sudo thing annoying and set up a regular root account so as to be >able to "su" when needed. You mean, you set root's shell to something "real", not /bin/false or similar? I pretty much have a normal account for root, except it's in a lot of groups, and important files are owned by it, and it can't log in by ssh. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 SCORPIO: Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window. Work a little harder on improving your low self esteem, you stupid freak. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 17:43:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LhcaD031229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72LhcKR031228 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Lhbj4031224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LhbQv026712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:37 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LhJtp016692 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:20 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so820409nfc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:43:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=S2rIfMAUzu9LOVXQk2N5QScKQXvfXVypOCEa/54ZTYEc3Mui2bLImi3cvKr4myAptOz2fKleB8bLRKg/+v5RCYgcHpDdxbngJmweKxL0uMJIg7jp3+MaMsO1wMKIfP9aL4IK48zotCtffKkbJz9wT/UKKhqfbnURONvrFP1BxQg= Received: by 10.82.98.13 with SMTP id v13mr366415bub; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608021443q67b8c109lf511af3e112bfcab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:43:18 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CUPS / filter question In-Reply-To: <44D0FD8A.8070307@blenke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1967_2332535.1154554998818" References: <0J3D0020DJ8CCJHB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <125d27dd0608021158q13833c50o8c43511b12b17cbd@mail.gmail.com> <44D0FD8A.8070307@blenke.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.644, required 6, AWL -1.96, BAYES_40 -0.18, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1967_2332535.1154554998818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/2/06, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > > Taking beh as a template, you can easily modify it to append your escape > sequence to the end of the printFile before handing it off to the > original backend. > That's slick. I like how easy cups makes this stuff. Very unixy, passing output from backend to backend like this. ~ Daniel ------=_Part_1967_2332535.1154554998818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 8/2/06, Ian C. Blenke <ian@blenke.com> wrote:
Taking beh as a template, you can easily modify it to append your escape
sequence to the end of the printFile before handing it off to the
original backend.

That's slick.  I like how easy cups makes this stuff.  Very unixy, passing output from backend to backend like this.

~ Daniel
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 17:50:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LoH7M031299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:50:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72LoHc8031298 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:50:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LoHDi031294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:50:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LoGLd027074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:50:16 -0400 Received: from randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-62.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.62]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Lns2Y006829 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:49:55 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0742C8F26D for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping. Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:50:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> <200608021725.27537.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200608021725.27537.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608021750.45801.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.408, required 6, AWL -0.59, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 02 August 2006 17:25, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > Part of the grub problem most likely has to do with all the installations > it was finding. On the machine that has the open source Suse 10.1 there is > a drive with WN98SE so it is the usual Windows/Linux type of setup. The > Suse install went perfectly including the grub setup. Yes, there's a particular feature of naming partitions which easily becomes a bother. Once you have made your first installation go into fstab and replace the first column of harddisk partition names with the dev reference instead. list all mounts with df or mount, make a note of the details remove each LABEL=SWAP=hda1 and replace it with /dev/hda1 or whatever each line says. Then when you make a new install it won't be confused as to which of the partitions is the one to load. At one point I had nine O/S's installed managed with grub. Remember, grub is located on the first install and then could be replaced by each subsequent install. Easiest is if you have your permanent O/S installed first. Then don't add grub on each install. Manually go in and add the four lines for each new one. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 17:59:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LxcGL031362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k72LxcJA031361 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72Lxb44031357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LxbTE027405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:37 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k72LxMw5004533 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:59:22 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41896195432 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:59:22 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:00:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608021800.14207.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.22, required 6, AWL -1.22, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So in the end it sounds like you either configure sudo as needed or add a root account? I never warmed up to using sudo. But I did run ubuntu when it came out and was annoyed by someones idea of keeping the user out of trouble kind of limitations. Ubuntu probably did not survive 24 hours with me. However I got a machine which is mainly for multimedia type of stuff so I don't need all the dev tools, servers and so on. But if I can have something which is flawless (or close to) with ogg, mp3, dvd's etc I'm willing to try it again. Ubuntu has been gathering steam since the beginning so there is no doubt lots of improvements. Thanks for the feedback! -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 21:35:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731ZADS000708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:35:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k731ZANi000707 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:35:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731ZAmS000703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:35:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731Z9ml006550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:35:09 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.100]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731Yqp2010636 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:34:52 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.99]) by bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:34:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:34:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:34:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net, william@yetrs.ath.cx, vamlight@hotmail.com, mario.lombardo@gmail.com Subject: [SLUG] [SFD] Tampa SFD events in the works Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:34:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Aug 2006 01:34:51.0007 (UTC) FILETIME=[036A80F0:01C6B69D] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.896, required 6, AWL -2.86, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello fellow Sluggers. As I mentioned a few weeks ago, Software Freedom Day will take place on Saturday, September 16. This year I have made arrangements with two locations in Tampa to host SFD events: The Museum of Science and Industry will once again allow us to present a Free Software exhibit in their lobby from 10 a.m. until 4 p.m. on SFD. Additionally, Mirta's Gallery and Coffee House (1/2 block from the University of Tampa) will allow us to give a similiar presentation during the evening from 7 p.m. until 11 p.m. on the same day. Volunteers will be needed at both events to explain what Free Software is all about and to distribute CD's so please consider doing this if you would like to help out. If you are unable to attend either event there are still other ways that you could contribute such as helping to promote our events with friends, family and _especially_ the local media. Event details as well as promotional materials are available on the Software Freedom Day wiki: http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa I would like to have a planning and brainstorming session in the near future for those interested in helping out with SFD but I would like input on a good way to go about this. Does an evening meeting in irc://freenode.net/slug.fl sound like a good idea? Should it be a topic of discussion at the next Tampa SLUG meeting? -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 21:45:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731jEaC000796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:45:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k731jErn000795 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:45:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731jEwa000791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:45:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731jDxr007276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:45:14 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k731iwSe024774 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:44:59 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so882374nfc for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:44:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tuOAc24cYWs0AB75f3jnoah56wyotJXArsJr3HVA1eOwNnrRaLz93rfSl0rpHmIlf8ZKN92IL2Qtl96lrrAjYYu7aRdkDZL4yzCqgTZmeZ/A+I0g3X/p12DKznadhBXEICDsxbhXb7XXdvo6uXwBaEESXfF6EGhd6cj2FdcI2Rs= Received: by 10.82.102.5 with SMTP id z5mr379903bub; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 18:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608021844k52ad2a33h72f70b67f94fb514@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:44:57 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Ubuntu/kubuntu In-Reply-To: <200608021800.14207.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3742_29964981.1154569497655" References: <200608021347.46829.steve@szmidt.org> <200608021800.14207.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.324, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, SARE_UNSUB22 0.95, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_3742_29964981.1154569497655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > So in the end it sounds like you either configure sudo as needed or add a > root > account? The root account is always there; nothing to add. There's no reason you can't use whatever mechanism you are accustomed to to become root... setting a root password for example. So you can su - (root password) instead of sudo -s -H (your password) and be happy. I never warmed up to using sudo. But I did run ubuntu when it came out and > was > annoyed by someones idea of keeping the user out of trouble kind of > limitations. Ubuntu probably did not survive 24 hours with me. Then it sounds like the distro is not for you. > However I got a machine which is mainly for multimedia type of stuff so I > don't need all the dev tools, servers and so on. But if I can have > something > which is flawless (or close to) with ogg, mp3, dvd's etc I'm willing to > try > it again. Ubuntu has been gathering steam since the beginning so there is > no > doubt lots of improvements. > good luck ------=_Part_3742_29964981.1154569497655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
So in the end it sounds like you either configure sudo as needed or add a root
account?

The root account is always there; nothing to add.  There's no reason you can't use whatever mechanism you are accustomed to to become root... setting a root password for example.  So you can su - (root password) instead of sudo -s -H (your password) and be  happy.

I never warmed up to using sudo. But I did run ubuntu when it came out and was
annoyed by someones idea of keeping the user out of trouble kind of
limitations. Ubuntu probably did not survive 24 hours with me.

Then it sounds like the distro is not for you.
 
However I got a machine which is mainly for multimedia type of stuff so I
don't need all the dev tools, servers and so on. But if I can have something
which is flawless (or close to) with ogg, mp3, dvd's etc I'm willing to try
it again. Ubuntu has been gathering steam since the beginning so there is no
doubt lots of improvements.

good luck
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 23:12:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733C6pl001598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:12:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k733C6wS001597 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:12:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733C6Vx001593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:12:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733C6lu012446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:12:06 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733Bp6g011459 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:11:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060803031150.EGGW8328.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:15:04 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] dark line on monitors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.144, required 6, AWL -1.15, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, all! I have a weird one for you here! When I first got my 21" monitor, I noticed a couple of dark lines that ran across it, East to West, in one row of pixels each. At the time, I was running an ATI card and had assumed that it was some kind of flaw with either the card or the monitor. I felt like I could live with it given the price of the components. Since then, I've been using that same monitor, joined with another 21" monitor and a new NVidia card. Just now, I happened to notice that those two lines that I had long since tuned out, are spanning both monitors. That kind of blows out the idea of the card since I'm using a different video card now, and that eliminates the idea of the monitor since it's on two now. I am at a loss as to what it could possibly be. Any ideas? Thanks! --Michael -- "You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements." ~ Norman Douglas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 23:26:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733QitW001766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k733Qinp001765 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733Qh0H001761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733QhE3013502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:43 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733QNX5025722 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:26:23 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3E00GEZK7S1GMC@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 22:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors In-reply-to: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.518, required 6, AWL -1.52, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, michael hast wrote: > Hey, all! > > I have a weird one for you here! When I first got my 21" monitor, I > noticed a couple of dark lines that ran across it, East to West, in one row > of pixels each. At the time, I was running an ATI card and had assumed that > it was some kind of flaw with either the card or the monitor. I felt like I > could live with it given the price of the components. Since then, I've been > using that same monitor, joined with another 21" monitor and a new NVidia > card. Just now, I happened to notice that those two lines that I had long > since tuned out, are spanning both monitors. That kind of blows out the idea > of the card since I'm using a different video card now, and that eliminates > the idea of the monitor since it's on two now. I am at a loss as to what it > could possibly be. Any ideas? Thanks! I think that's a stabilizing wire for the up-and-down shadowing wires. Are there two of them, at about 1/3 and 2/3 its height? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 23:30:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733Uvun001806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:30:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k733Uv9w001805 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:30:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733UvFr001801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:30:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733UugJ013799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:30:56 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733UjUG023545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:30:45 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.126] (pool-71-251-87-21.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.251.87.21]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733Ujrn002623 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <44D16DE4.8080005@blenke.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 23:30:44 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020402080407050001020800" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.15, required 6, AWL -1.15, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020402080407050001020800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael hast wrote: > I have a weird one for you here! When I first got my 21" monitor, > I noticed a couple of dark lines that ran across it, East to West, in > one row of pixels each. At the time, I was running an ATI card and > had assumed that it was some kind of flaw with either the card or the > monitor. I felt like I could live with it given the price of the > components. Since then, I've been using that same monitor, joined > with another 21" monitor and a new NVidia card. Just now, I happened > to notice that those two lines that I had long since tuned out, are > spanning both monitors. That kind of blows out the idea of the card > since I'm using a different video card now, and that eliminates the > idea of the monitor since it's on two now. I am at a loss as to what > it could possibly be. Any ideas? Thanks! I've seen this before with two monitors right next to one another. If you separate them, do the scanlines go away? Same make and model of monitor? A completely different video card? Are you specifying a modeline, or are you letting the monitors present their own EDID information to set the resolution/refresh rates? If you're using the auto-probed EDID settings, I can't suggest a freaky modeline... It almost sounds like a visible vertical retrace scanline of some kind. There aren't many things remaining. - Some kind of lossy cabling issue (how long are you running the video, and are you using extender cables?) - Ground fault (somehow)? - Some freakish external EMF interference? Otherwise, I'm at a loss too. Do you have a third monitor and video card handy to swap in and out of this equation? I've generally found that the magic number 3 makes for a good troubleshooting base (tie breaker). If you have a commonality across all 3 monitors and video cards, I'm totally at a loss on this one. --------------020402080407050001020800 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ian.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ian.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian C. Blenke n:Blenke;Ian email;internet:ian.blenke.com tel;home:813.784.6020 version:2.1 end:vcard --------------020402080407050001020800-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 23:42:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733gFwK001906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k733gFMZ001905 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733gEpo001901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733gEqe014475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:14 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733fqDk030721 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:41:53 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2300459uge for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:41:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o5OrtxCheQHLyktcJnSysAIONafHnN4ITColeg7mDG4u8wwoxgXwFPBuiq9xqq9mcGyQymBZVorVdvPRDXh099k8+2hPertVbeokIUEGM9u/rYndST5fets3KRjCaP4bkbgeHBn3Lnz9lV2t/iZ2qO5QaSeMrOhC6iTP/d013RI= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr595129hue; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 20:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:41:51 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors In-Reply-To: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.735, required 6, AWL -0.99, BAYES_20 -0.74, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net motherboard northbridge is the only thing you havent ruled out. swap the board and see if it still does it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 2 23:42:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733gjjU001919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k733gjGx001918 for slug-track29; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733giog001914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733giOY014494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:44 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (dsl-6-225.cofs.net [68.142.6.225]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k733gVXw030805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:32 -0400 Received: from www.digitalhermit.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k733gVdC009310 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:31 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by www.digitalhermit.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k733gVoT009309; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: www.digitalhermit.com: apache set sender to kwan@digitalhermit.com using -f Received: from 192.168.8.26 (SquirrelMail authenticated user kwan) by digitalhermit.com with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3951.192.168.8.26.1154576551.squirrel@digitalhermit.com> In-Reply-To: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 23:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors From: "Kwan Lowe" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6-4.fc3.1.legacy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.013, required 6, AWL -1.01, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I have a weird one for you here! When I first got my 21" monitor, I > noticed a couple of dark lines that ran across it, East to West, in one > row of pixels each. http://www.monitorworld.com/faq_pages/q28_page.html -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan@digitalhermit.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 08:53:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73CrZj1006613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73CrZCp006612 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73CrYVK006608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73CrYcV023941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:34 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73CrCR0029509 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:12 -0400 Received: from fifteen (rrcs-24-227-47-2.se.biz.rr.com [24.227.47.2]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k73CrAmM001795 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> From: "Bob Foxworth" To: References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:53:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.933, required 6, AWL -2.93, BAYES_99 3.50, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > I have a weird one for you here! When I first got my 21" monitor, I > noticed a couple of dark lines that ran across it, East to West, in one > row of pixels each. At the time, I was running an ATI card and had > assumed that it was some kind of flaw with either the card or the > monitor. I felt like I could live with it given the price of the > components. Since then, I've been using that same monitor, joined with > another 21" monitor and a new NVidia card. Just now, I happened to > notice that those two lines that I had long since tuned out, are > spanning both monitors. That kind of blows out the idea of the card > since I'm using a different video card now, and that eliminates the idea > of the monitor since it's on two now. I am at a loss as to what it > could possibly be. Any ideas? Thanks! > > --Michael I am assuming that the line appears only with a raster on the screen (i.e. powered on) and is not visible when the monitor is off. Then, when you say the line is "one pixel (wide)", does that mean that the edge of the line is sharply defined, or does it have some shadowing around the edge? A comment, later (Eben?) thought it was due to a stabilizing wire. This would imply that the line is mechanically produced and is some sort of shadowing artifact. If so it would have an edge that may not align exactly to the phosphor dots. If it is electronically produced, then I would think the edge of the line would align closely with the phosphor dots (assuming the scan lines are correct). This is an interesting forensic type question. You might want to use a jeweler's loupe to study the exact nature of the line. So far it seems it could be due to either cause. You could try one of those diag programs that make the screen show solid colors and see if the appearance of the line is color-dependent. I'd love to hear whatever you discover. - Bob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 09:04:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D412U006745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:04:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73D41og006744 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:04:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D40sa006740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:04:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D40YG024508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:04:00 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D3hpv008571 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:03:44 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so1067434nfc for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cXc8n1WeA7Vy7ZxbzoOtdpud3PqcLQyhOpvQujXTCs+DZ2WGHqGARd/W9cQ/pgFao1AcTIwOoQTGtQrkUSnFpufi9pBhOZzNpa4H3Fc4jOw7DGljnYU0wCxibs5iQIHx9pmZ/bdN9bclu/BKvAAjUURtAi01lmpO4eeSTZxFU8U= Received: by 10.82.116.15 with SMTP id o15mr399252buc; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.129.14 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:03:42 -0400 From: "Steven Buehler" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors In-Reply-To: <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.553, required 6, AWL -0.67, BAYES_50 0.00, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k73D40sZ006741 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I had the issue with a Sony Trinitron monitor; it's a special antiresonance wire that is placed by the manufacturer just behind the screen. It's intended to be thin enough that most folks won't notice it unless they're eagle eyed like you. :-) SWB On 8/3/06, Bob Foxworth wrote: > > > > I have a weird one for you here! When I first got my 21" monitor, > I > > noticed a couple of dark lines that ran across it, East to West, in > one > > row of pixels each. At the time, I was running an ATI card and had > > assumed that it was some kind of flaw with either the card or the > > monitor. I felt like I could live with it given the price of the > > components. Since then, I've been using that same monitor, joined > with > > another 21" monitor and a new NVidia card. Just now, I happened to > > notice that those two lines that I had long since tuned out, are > > spanning both monitors. That kind of blows out the idea of the card > > since I'm using a different video card now, and that eliminates the > idea > > of the monitor since it's on two now. I am at a loss as to what it > > could possibly be. Any ideas? Thanks! > > > > --Michael > > > I am assuming that the line appears only with a raster on the > screen (i.e. powered on) and is not visible when the monitor > is off. Then, when you say the line is "one pixel (wide)", does > that mean that the edge of the line is sharply defined, or does > it have some shadowing around the edge? A comment, later > (Eben?) thought it was due to a stabilizing wire. This would > imply that the line is mechanically produced and is some sort of > shadowing artifact. If so it would have an edge that may not > align exactly to the phosphor dots. If it is electronically > produced, then I would think the edge of the line would > align closely with the phosphor dots (assuming the scan lines > are correct). > > This is an interesting forensic type question. You might > want to use a jeweler's loupe to study the exact nature > of the line. So far it seems it could be due to either cause. > > You could try one of those diag programs that make the > screen show solid colors and see if the appearance of the > line is color-dependent. > > I'd love to hear whatever you discover. > > - Bob > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 09:06:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D6p2R006774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:06:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73D6pIw006773 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:06:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D6pIv006769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:06:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D6plD024655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:06:51 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73D6cJ2023211 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:06:38 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:06:38 -0600 Message-Id: <44D1BC95.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 07:06:29 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping. References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200607230947.57011.steve@szmidt.org> <200607231400.03005.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.015, required 6, AWL -0.28, BAYES_20 -0.74, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Wed, Aug 2, 2006 at 1:43 PM, in message <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Sunday 23 July 2006 14:00, Donald E Haselwood wrote: >> > At this point I'm running SLED 10.1 on one of my computers until I find >> > it not worth while. (And I'm putting SuSE 10?) on another to compare the >> > two. >> >> That's exactly what I'm in the process of doing. >> >> Don > > Any feedback yet? > > I'm getting annoyed over what seems like muddled yum support. > -- > > Steve Szmidt Care to elaborate? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 09:31:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DVBcJ007014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73DVBLf007013 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DVBfH007009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DVANB025722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:11 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-176.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.176]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DUq1j006932 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:30:52 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429411953FB for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:30:51 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping. Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:31:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1BC95.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D1BC95.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608030931.45685.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.044, required 6, AWL -0.96, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 03 August 2006 09:06, John Pugh wrote: > > > > I'm getting annoyed over what seems like muddled yum support. > > Care to elaborate? I could not get it to make a correct query as insited on giving NULL as the SuSE version number. Then I tried to add a repository to ZMD and followed these notes: http://jamesots.blogspot.com/2006/05/working-zmdruglibzyppzenworks-setup.html ZMD wakes up and then complains: Failed to parse XML metadata: Unsigned file '/repodata/repomd.xml A typical example: rug sa --type zypp ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/10.1/ Packman This is the first time I've try to add or modify any packet management stuff under SuSE so I don't know what I'm missing. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 09:34:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DYJ1O007041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:34:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73DYJP3007040 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:34:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DYJQ6007036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:34:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DYJsa025850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:34:19 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-98.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.98]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DY7DB030162 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:34:07 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FE6EE8A4 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:35:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608030935.04128.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.2, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 03 August 2006 09:03, Steven Buehler wrote: > I had the issue with a Sony Trinitron monitor; it's a special > antiresonance wire that is placed by the manufacturer just behind the > screen. It's intended to be thin enough that most folks won't notice > it unless they're eagle eyed like you. :-) Hmm, yeah. I got the same thing on a monitor using Trinitron. In the end I just tried to ignore it. Fortunately it does not "show up" all the time. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 09:43:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DhgvV007121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:43:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73DhgYK007120 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:43:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DhfT3007116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:43:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DhfLT026310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:43:41 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-60.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.60]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73DhSfE006934 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:43:29 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A3FEEC0D for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1BC95.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D1BC95.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 09:44:24 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200608030944.24979.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.067, required 6, AWL -0.93, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 03 August 2006 09:06, John Pugh wrote: > > > > I'm getting annoyed over what seems like muddled yum support. > > Care to elaborate? I could not get it to make a correct query as insisted on giving SL-NULL as the SuSE version number. It fails to go to the correct dir and tries another repo. Over and over.... -- AHA, it was apparently a problem with repo's updating to SuSE's new naming scheme. I would abort after so many failed attempts. To find the problem I was having I just let it run. After so many failed repo's it found one that had been updated and it worked. Then I tried to add a repository to ZMD and followed these notes: http://jamesots.blogspot.com/2006/05/working-zmdruglibzyppzenworks-setup.html ZMD wakes up and then complains: Failed to parse XML metadata: Unsigned file '/repodata/repomd.xml A typical example: rug sa --type zypp ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/10.1/ Packman This is the first time I've try to add or modify any packet management stuff under SuSE so I don't know what I'm missing. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 10:13:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73ED9OH007366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:13:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73ED8Dk007365 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:13:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73ED8ib007361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:13:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73ED7Ym027654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:13:08 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73ECp01018444 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:12:51 -0400 Received: from billspc ([24.73.66.178]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3F00KYXE4YNS95@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:12:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:12:43 -0400 From: "Bill Glidden" Subject: RE: [SLUG] CUPS / filter question In-reply-to: <44D0FD8A.8070307@blenke.com> To: Message-id: <0J3F00KZ0E4ZNS95@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-index: Aca2a1KW5lYfWJ9ZRQW7ZyDze5ndyAAm2Tdw X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Ian C. Blenke > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:31 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] CUPS / filter question > > Daniel Jarboe wrote: > > Looking into Daniel's suggestion a bit, it looks like this is relatively > simple. > > Follow something like the universal "beh" script: > > http://linuxprinting.org/beh.html > > It's a simple perl script that you put into the backend directory, and > it intercepts backend errors. > > $ cd /usr/lib/cups/backend/ > $ wget 'http://linuxprinting.org/download.cgi?filename=beh&show=0' > $ chmod 755 beh > > Taking beh as a template, you can easily modify it to append your escape > sequence to the end of the printFile before handing it off to the > original backend. > Ian, Your suggestion worked like magic! I owe you another dinner at you-know-where! Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 10:45:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Ejdw0007653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:45:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73Ejd8G007652 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:45:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73EjdUb007648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:45:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73EjcSb029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:45:39 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73EjEW3012649 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:45:14 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:45:12 -0600 Message-Id: <44D1D3B1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:45:05 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608021343.54707.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1BC95.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608030944.24979.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608030944.24979.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.509, required 6, AWL -0.57, TW_ZM 0.08, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2006 at 9:44 AM, in message <200608030944.24979.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 03 August 2006 09:06, John Pugh wrote: >> > >> > I'm getting annoyed over what seems like muddled yum support. >> >> Care to elaborate? > > I could not get it to make a correct query as insisted on giving SL- NULL as > the SuSE version number. It fails to go to the correct dir and tries another > > repo. Over and over.... > > -- AHA, it was apparently a problem with repo's updating to SuSE's new naming > scheme. I would abort after so many failed attempts. To find the problem I > was having I just let it run. After so many failed repo's it found one that > had been updated and it worked. > > Then I tried to add a repository to ZMD and followed these notes: > http://jamesots.blogspot.com/2006/05/working- zmdruglibzyppzenworks- setup.html > > ZMD wakes up and then complains: > Failed to parse XML metadata: Unsigned file '/repodata/repomd.xml > > A typical example: > rug sa -- type zypp ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/misc/packman/suse/10.1/ Packman > > This is the first time I've try to add or modify any packet management stuff > > under SuSE so I don't know what I'm missing. First...need to update the zmd packages if you are running openSUSE 10.1 (there are other updates coming that incorporate the working as designed parts of SLED10 into openSUSE 10.1 - it's currently in QA). SLED 10 will work, however ZMD does not like/allow unsigned repositories. Add unsupported repositories via software management if you are running SLED10. Not sure if this will be "fixed" or if there is a workaround at present...I'll keep digging. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 10:58:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73EwpSt007749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:58:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73EwpUY007748 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:58:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Ewpa6007744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:58:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Ewpux030211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:58:51 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73EwWaL023610 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:58:32 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3F009OJG9EU3UB@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:58:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.567, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Steven Buehler wrote: > On 8/3/06, Bob Foxworth wrote: >> > >> > I noticed a couple of dark lines that ran across it, East to West, in >> > one row of pixels each. >> >> You might want to use a jeweler's loupe to study the exact nature of the >> line. So far it seems it could be due to either cause. >> >> You could try one of those diag programs that make the >> screen show solid colors and see if the appearance of the >> line is color-dependent. > I had the issue with a Sony Trinitron monitor; it's a special > antiresonance wire that is placed by the manufacturer just behind the > screen. It's intended to be thin enough that most folks won't notice > it unless they're eagle eyed like you. :-) Try changing resolutions. If it still shows up at the same place, with the same width (inches not pixels), it's in the tube. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 11:13:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FDV9o007915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:13:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73FDVJ5007914 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:13:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FDV7T007910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:13:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FDU10031190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:13:30 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-176.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.176]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FD7I6016186 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:13:08 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F917EE8BA for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:13:07 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:14:04 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608030944.24979.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1D3B1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D1D3B1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608031114.04099.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.534, required 6, AWL -0.47, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm also running RC3. Can I do an update from it to 10, or should I do a new install? I did get a few updates a short while ago, not sure what was in it though. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 11:21:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FLNnf008048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:21:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73FLNmE008047 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:21:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FLMBk008043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:21:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FLMeL031742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:21:22 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73FL2tq004319 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:21:04 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1DC195440 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 08:21:01 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:21:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <44D1D3B1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031114.04099.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608031114.04099.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.19, required 6, AWL -1.19, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 03 August 2006 11:14, steve szmidt wrote: > I'm also running RC3. Can I do an update from it to 10, or should I do a > new install? > > I did get a few updates a short while ago, not sure what was in it though. Looks like SMART is an even better way to go. Any notes on that? -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 12:01:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73G1mSe008395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:01:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73G1ms7008394 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:01:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73G1mZq008390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:01:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73G1lKA001642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:01:48 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73G1VeP029370 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:01:32 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:01:27 -0600 Message-Id: <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 10:01:22 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <44D1D3B1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031114.04099.steve@szmidt.org> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.815, required 6, AWL -2.19, BAYES_95 3.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2006 at 11:21 AM, in message <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 03 August 2006 11:14, steve szmidt wrote: >> I'm also running RC3. Can I do an update from it to 10, or should I do a >> new install? >> >> I did get a few updates a short while ago, not sure what was in it though. > > Looks like SMART is an even better way to go. Any notes on that? Haven't looked into SMART, although I've read that it works, but that was from the author. I have heard/read of conflicting success/failure with updating from a RC. I would start from scratch if you want a real world "test". My fresh install of SLED10 on a T41p went w/o any issues whatsoever. I have had issues with trying to add "unsupported" repositories into the Software Updater tool and currently use both the software updater for supported repositories and YaST's installation sources to add packages thru the YaST Software Management tool for unsupported repositories such as packman. I have entered several bugs on the software updater that are in various states of work in progress. Please feel free to file bug reports on items that you feel are not adequate and let me know what the numbers are so I can move them along, if need be, internally. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 13:17:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73HHLnN009024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:17:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73HHLqM009023 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:17:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73HHLqX009019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:17:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73HHKU1006107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:17:21 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73HH8iT015111 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:17:09 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:17:06 -0400 Message-ID: <44D22F91.402@acpdata.com> Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:17:05 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <44D1D3B1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031114.04099.steve@szmidt.org> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2, required 6, AWL -0.00, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pugh wrote: >>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2006 at 11:21 AM, in message >>>> > <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt > wrote: > > >> On Thursday 03 August 2006 11:14, steve szmidt wrote: >> >>> I'm also running RC3. Can I do an update from it to 10, or should I >>> > do a > >>> new install? >>> >>> I did get a few updates a short while ago, not sure what was in it >>> > though. > >> Looks like SMART is an even better way to go. Any notes on that? >> > > Haven't looked into SMART, although I've read that it works, but that > was from the author. > > I have heard/read of conflicting success/failure with updating from a > RC. I would start from scratch if you want a real world "test". My fresh > install of SLED10 on a T41p went w/o any issues whatsoever. I have had > issues with trying to add "unsupported" repositories into the Software > Updater tool and currently use both the software updater for supported > repositories and YaST's installation sources to add packages thru the > YaST Software Management tool for unsupported repositories such as > packman. > ^^^^^^^^ I have the same issues with SuSE 10.1 and "unsupported" repos. JFYI..^^^^^^^^^ ../Todd --------------------------------------------- Questions regarding you computer - Todd at acpdata dot com Questions regarding home financing or HELOCS - JoAnne at PFGlends dot com. --------------------------------------------- > I have entered several bugs on the software updater that are in various > states of work in progress. Please feel free to file bug reports on > items that you feel are not adequate and let me know what the numbers > are so I can move them along, if need be, internally. > > JP > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 14:39:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IdL0S009655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73IdLIk009654 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IdLix009650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IdL5R011177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:21 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-118.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.118]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IdAHK009088 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:39:11 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0587A10F736 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:39:08 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:40:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.028, required 6, AWL -2.57, BAYES_80 2.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 03 August 2006 12:01, John Pugh wrote: > > Looks like SMART is an even better way to go. Any notes on that? > > Haven't looked into SMART, although I've read that it works, but that > was from the author. > > I have heard/read of conflicting success/failure with updating from a > RC. I would start from scratch if you want a real world "test". My fresh > install of SLED10 on a T41p went w/o any issues whatsoever. I have had > issues with trying to add "unsupported" repositories into the Software > Updater tool and currently use both the software updater for supported > repositories and YaST's installation sources to add packages thru the > YaST Software Management tool for unsupported repositories such as > packman. > > I have entered several bugs on the software updater that are in various > states of work in progress. Please feel free to file bug reports on > items that you feel are not adequate and let me know what the numbers > are so I can move them along, if need be, internally. Gee, that's nice of you! Yes, this is the part that gets annoying regardless of distro. You need/want certain things not included. Not only do you need to watch out for conflicting repo's but anything not standard with that particular repo. Which cripples its usability. F.ex. I only use Amarok because I need things like playing random albums, not just random songs, plugin that sets level volume, ability to play online radio's, and so on. But 10 has this poorly featured Banshee instead. Ditto with kdetv. Not at all as workable as tvtime. Now I got it working almost all formats I use. I got mp3, ogg and a few albums with wma. But wma is not supported. Unless I use mplayer or xine. But then I have to go through and figure out what changes to make to use xine (which is installed). However it does not have a stable mplayer available. All of which I got running under FC5. So it's borderline as to which way to go. I really don't want to spend all the time to debug everything I need. I don't even care about what is available and not vs windows as I never use it and subsequently don't miss it, if that would be the case even. Windows and company can jump in the river if they want. Not my problem anymore. I feel things are more reliable in the long run regardless of application issues, as my O/S is so much more stable. My time investment vs productivity is way good and has only been getting better and better over the last 10 years. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 14:46:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Ike4S009740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:46:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73Ikes6009739 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:46:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IkdHD009735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:46:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IkdLs011591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:46:39 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IkCrb026566 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:46:13 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id t32so2360724pyc for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:46:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BiXDxdbzB+LjOzuy48dRtkPEFbBHdpp7HfiglN1aKAN7GencMrsG0E9hK3g/QydrhJBotR33gVuq74cwyal6jIPX6HVxcM6PZXGXuYTFNdwV6EJJ+spvqgxIg9k77qXWtc5nizTzhF+eRRtLYIAAqNv7MS+NgPa0Bo4+5zBbE/0= Received: by 10.35.39.2 with SMTP id r2mr3753418pyj; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608031146t5b8b31ge89e1bf4adff8f65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:46:12 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated In-Reply-To: <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.118, required 6, AWL -0.48, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > F.ex. I only use Amarok because I need things like > playing random albums, not just random songs, plugin that sets level volume, > ability to play online radio's, and so on. But 10 has this poorly featured > Banshee instead. Probably has something to do with: 1) Gnome is now the default desktop, and amaroK is a Kdelibs app, whereas Banshee is Gtk#. 2) Novell's promoting Mono everywhere it can, and Banshee is Gtk#. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 14:50:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IoXt4009773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73IoX2O009772 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IoXQ3009768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IoWjY011788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:33 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IoCRo019685 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:12 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k73IoB5S018416 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1G8iGo-0003S5-6K for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:50:10 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51214.216.134.200.78.1154631010.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <200607291739.16595.jasonb@edseek.com> References: <200607291739.16595.jasonb@edseek.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] VMWare hates me -- guest processes hang - SOLVED From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.875, required 6, AWL -0.74, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jason Boxman wrote: > So, seriously, what the freak? This is seriously annoying me. It happens > under both the X and text installs, so it isn't a framebuffer thing. The processes weren't hanging, but taking an insane amount of time to run. The culprit is, surprisingly, DMA. It was enabled on the host. I used VMWare's default of a SCSI block device for the guest and wrongly assumed DMA was being handled properly in the guest. Wrong. I switched to using an ATA block device for the guest. DMA was disabled by default, for whatever reason. Enabling it resulted in the performance I'd come to expect from a typical VMWare install from ages past. It seems the standing recommendation from VMWare to use a SCSI block device for a guest, at least for my Linux guests, is quite wrong. My 2.4GHz P4-based Celeron wasn't _that_ slow afterall. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 14:59:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Ix4xs009836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:59:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73Ix4lv009835 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:59:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Ix3xu009831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:59:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Ix3Yh012289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:59:03 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-62.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.62]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73IwghW020566 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:58:42 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A66B6F8D for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 11:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:59:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310608031146t5b8b31ge89e1bf4adff8f65@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608031146t5b8b31ge89e1bf4adff8f65@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608031459.40346.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.787, required 6, AWL -0.81, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 03 August 2006 14:46, Levi Bard wrote: > > F.ex. I only use Amarok because I need things like > > playing random albums, not just random songs, plugin that sets level > > volume, ability to play online radio's, and so on. But 10 has this poorly > > featured Banshee instead. > > Probably has something to do with: > 1) Gnome is now the default desktop, and amaroK is a Kdelibs app, > whereas Banshee is Gtk#. > 2) Novell's promoting Mono everywhere it can, and Banshee is Gtk#. Oh, no doubt. Which is why I try to stay away such distro's. But then you give it a try every now and then... Often I install both so I can pick what I like. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 15:03:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73J33wt009938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:03:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73J33CR009937 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:03:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73J32a5009933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:03:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73J32es012741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:03:02 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73J2jer007151 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:02:45 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C01175795 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 12:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:03:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608031503.38316.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.257, required 6, AWL -0.74, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Another little thing. Amarok under FC5 keeps the current song centered in the disply, while it does not do that in 10. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 15:46:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73JkLQe010276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:46:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73JkLTv010275 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:46:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73JkKG4010271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:46:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73JkK8Z015031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:46:20 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Jk0PT020482 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:46:00 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k73JjxrS028251 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1G8j8p-0004aQ-1A for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:45:59 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55119.216.134.200.78.1154634359.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608031146t5b8b31ge89e1bf4adff8f65@mail.gmail.com> References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310608031146t5b8b31ge89e1bf4adff8f65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.184, required 6, AWL -1.22, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >> F.ex. I only use Amarok because I need things like >> playing random albums, not just random songs, plugin that sets level >> volume, >> ability to play online radio's, and so on. But 10 has this poorly featured >> Banshee instead. > > Probably has something to do with: > 1) Gnome is now the default desktop, and amaroK is a Kdelibs app, > whereas Banshee is Gtk#. > 2) Novell's promoting Mono everywhere it can, and Banshee is Gtk#. So Novell ships with a crippled application? Nice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 15:48:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Jm0KC010292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:48:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73Jm0LV010291 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:48:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73JlxCM010287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:47:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73Jlxh4015111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:47:59 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73JlbUJ032056 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:47:37 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k73Jlaes029641 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1G8jAO-0004aj-FN for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:47:36 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55121.216.134.200.78.1154634456.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <200608031503.38316.steve@szmidt.org> References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031503.38316.steve@szmidt.org> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.027, required 6, AWL -0.77, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > Another little thing. Amarok under FC5 keeps the current song centered in > the > disply, while it does not do that in 10. Could that possibly be an Amarok version feature and not a distribution specific problem? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 16:48:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73KmJwA010813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:48:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k73KmJwc010812 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:48:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73KmJ7o010808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:48:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73KmJcG018060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:48:19 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-118.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.118]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k73KmBLO024319 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:48:11 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C861FEEC11 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 13:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:49:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031503.38316.steve@szmidt.org> <55121.216.134.200.78.1154634456.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <55121.216.134.200.78.1154634456.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608031649.06007.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.174, required 6, AWL -1.18, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 03 August 2006 15:47, Jason Boxman wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > Another little thing. Amarok under FC5 keeps the current song centered in > > the > > disply, while it does not do that in 10. > > Could that possibly be an Amarok version feature and not a distribution > specific problem? SuSE's version is 1.3.8 and looks very similar to what I had under FC5 but it's possible. The thing that is odd is that I've had it back as far as I can recall under FC5. Not something you take out exactly. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 22:10:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742AO6j013430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:10:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k742AO0T013429 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:10:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742ANQs013425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:10:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742ANt2001365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:10:23 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742A9US009568 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:10:09 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3G003R5BCW91I2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:10:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:10:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] RPM on APT X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:20:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k742Ks4x013577 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:20:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742KrMk013573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:20:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742KdWh001843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:20:53 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742KOCY022415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:20:25 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G8pIR-0002eJ-VH for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:20:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] RPM on APT From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-/ArP+pJJgJkus815MC7G" Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:19:56 -0400 Message-Id: <1154657996.31558.3.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.064, required 6, AWL -0.94, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-/ArP+pJJgJkus815MC7G Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 22:10 -0400, Eben King wrote: > So I've got some software I want to install. But, it's RPM and Ubrntu=20 > speaks APT. I thought I could use mc to extract the guts of the RPM and=20 > deal with it that way, but either it really is corrupt or mc uses other=20 > stuff that I don't have. >=20 > Anyhow, how do I install this? Use apt-cache search packageyouarelookingfor Then apt-get install packageyouarelookingfor And avoid rpms at all costs. If you must dive into that circle of Dante's Hell, apt-get install alien. Then enjoy rpms. The Logan --=20 Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning? -- George W. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 22:30:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742UWbQ013651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:30:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k742UWgj013650 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:30:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742UWNR013646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:30:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742UVcf002284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:30:31 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742UKWU005289 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:30:20 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3G000EHC9W6VYN@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:29:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] RPM on APT In-reply-to: <1154657996.31558.3.camel@cthulhu> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1154657996.31558.3.camel@cthulhu> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.29, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.29) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 22:10 -0400, Eben King wrote: >> So I've got some software I want to install. But, it's RPM and Ubrntu >> speaks APT. I thought I could use mc to extract the guts of the RPM and >> deal with it that way, but either it really is corrupt or mc uses other >> stuff that I don't have. >> >> Anyhow, how do I install this? > > Use apt-cache search packageyouarelookingfor > > Then apt-get install packageyouarelookingfor It's commercial software. If it's there, it's pirated. > And avoid rpms at all costs. Noted. > If you must dive into that circle of Dante's Hell, apt-get install > alien. Then enjoy rpms. Thanks. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 22:47:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742lnCi013780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:47:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k742ln3F013779 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:47:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742lnlG013775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:47:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742lnDI003007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:47:49 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k742lgn7006323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 22:47:43 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G8pis-0003IN-BI for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:47:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] RPM on APT From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: <1154657996.31558.3.camel@cthulhu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-3iqO6xkbZH48v9kTtZdU" Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:47:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1154659634.31558.4.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.274, required 6, AWL -0.16, BAYES_05 -1.11, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-3iqO6xkbZH48v9kTtZdU Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 22:29 -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Logan Tygart wrote: > Thanks. >=20 De Nalgas. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 23:01:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7431wJ2013939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:01:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7431w1E013938 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:01:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7431wnv013934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:01:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7431v52003741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:01:58 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7431iHA015188 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:01:45 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.212.7] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.42c1) id 1RBF400 for ; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:01:37 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:13:14 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.229, required 6, AWL 0.23, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k7431wnu013935 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers I have a file "mymovie.vob" that is 4.2 GB in size.  K3b won't burn it, saying it has a 4GB limitation. So, I try the CLI with this command: "growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder  -dvd-video mymovie.vob" growisofs also complains that the file is too large.    ????? What is this??? A writeable dvd will hold 4.377 GB. Why won't growisofs burn this file? Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 3 23:20:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k743Kj3A014131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:20:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k743KjAv014130 for slug-track29; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:20:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k743KjOG014126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:20:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k743KiNU004687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:20:45 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k743KZYK010159 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2006 23:20:36 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3G00KX7ELP8YWH@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:20:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 23:20:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? In-reply-to: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_5xl3cTDnXo9ckjVe5IeAsQ)" X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.261, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.26) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --Boundary_(ID_5xl3cTDnXo9ckjVe5IeAsQ) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers > > I have a file "mymovie.vob" that is 4.2 GB in size.  K3b won't burn it, > saying it has a 4GB limitation. So, I try the CLI with this command: > "growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder  -dvd-video mymovie.vob" > > growisofs also complains that the file is too large.    ????? What is > this??? A writeable dvd will hold 4.377 GB. Why won't growisofs burn this > file? growisofs may be a front-end for {dv,c}drecord. Try "-ignsize". -- A well-loved and correctly trained domestic canine is generally slobbery, excitable, noisy, scatalogically obsessed, xenophobic, pathetically unjudgmental, embarrassingly uninhibited, unreasoningly devoted, heartbreakingly dependent and wretchedly craven. - PB, AFCA --Boundary_(ID_5xl3cTDnXo9ckjVe5IeAsQ)-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 08:16:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74CGFA6018712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:16:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74CGFkJ018711 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:16:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74CGEi8018707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:16:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74C6Nkr006091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:07:33 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net (centrmmtao02.cox.net [70.168.83.82]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74C1t5q019504 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:01:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060804120155.UVOQ22014.centrmmtao02.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: <44D3460D.3070307@cox.net> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:05:17 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dark line on monitors References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> <200608030935.04128.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608030935.04128.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.146, required 6, AWL -1.15, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 03 August 2006 09:03, Steven Buehler wrote: > >> I had the issue with a Sony Trinitron monitor; it's a special >> antiresonance wire that is placed by the manufacturer just behind the >> screen. It's intended to be thin enough that most folks won't notice >> it unless they're eagle eyed like you. :-) >> > > Hmm, yeah. I got the same thing on a monitor using Trinitron. In the end I > just tried to ignore it. Fortunately it does not "show up" all the time. > > That's it. Both monitors are Trinitron-based. That's got to be what it is. I'm just glad I'm not going nuts! -- "You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements." ~ Norman Douglas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 08:59:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74Cxj4Y019020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:59:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74Cxjal019019 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:59:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74CxjhT019015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:59:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74Cxiig011747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:59:45 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74CxKui017134 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:59:21 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Fri, 4 Aug 2006 08:59:19 -0400 Message-ID: <44D344A7.4020809@acpdata.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:59:19 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Which group References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> <200608030935.04128.steve@szmidt.org> <44D3460D.3070307@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <44D3460D.3070307@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.211, required 6, AWL -0.79, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net brain fart - what's the easiest way to find all the groups a user is a member of? 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 09:07:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74D7knM019145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:07:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74D7kHQ019144 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:07:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74D7jsn019140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74D7jdc012925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:07:45 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74D7Q7q001646 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:07:27 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so53815nfa for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:07:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z7k5/l7ryWcjP1ACkt25G/S5RrxQCQGprV4Pbf9AQmkpFOoES/I/0/ecEqQW9LKLfNO+SFxfCfuAfP1r58Y2HI4QQPDecunttlhsFAFTKxgHauESxwQuIw4tMlw8zCr8cvaLSqf52KNDfQ0JGScimU4ul5Lu5lpkNZuBTKFh6iI= Received: by 10.82.114.3 with SMTP id m3mr651354buc; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 06:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608040607h4297a917gec29692856e8f9db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:07:25 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which group In-Reply-To: <44D344A7.4020809@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1318_14723096.1154696845833" References: <44D17848.4070702@cox.net> <026b01c6b6fb$c6c20b50$0f49490a@fifteen> <200608030935.04128.steve@szmidt.org> <44D3460D.3070307@cox.net> <44D344A7.4020809@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.982, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.24, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1318_14723096.1154696845833 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/4/06, Todd wrote: > > brain fart - what's the easiest way to find all the groups a user is a > member of? > groups [username] ------=_Part_1318_14723096.1154696845833 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/4/06, Todd <dumb-ass@acpdata.com> wrote:
brain fart - what's the easiest way to find all the groups a user is a
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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 09:22:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74DMRTO019320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:22:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74DMQJM019319 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:22:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74DMQVo019315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:22:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74DMQRJ014529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:22:26 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74DMB9F003778 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:22:11 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3H00D4X6GE9TC0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 08:21:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] (syn)apt(ic) errors X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:42:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74HgSbh021377 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:42:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74HgS3Q021373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:42:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74HgS29002641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:42:28 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74HgAAl028893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:42:10 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74HgArv008846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:42:09 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? References: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.839, required 6, AWL -0.84, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, TW_VM 0.08, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > >> Hello Sluggers >> >> I have a file "mymovie.vob" that is 4.2 GB in size. K3b won't burn >> it, saying it has a 4GB limitation. So, I try the CLI with this >> command: "growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder -dvd-video mymovie.vob" >> >> growisofs also complains that the file is too large. ????? What is >> this??? A writeable dvd will hold 4.377 GB. Why won't growisofs burn >> this file? > > > growisofs may be a front-end for {dv,c}drecord. Try "-ignsize". Growisofs will pass through arguments to mkisofs, but isn't really related to {dv,c}drecord. I've been unable to burn CDs or DVDs with {dv,c}drecord on my laptop, but growisofs works just fine. In fact, it's the _only_ thing I've managed to get working with my DVD burner under Linux. You can specify an "-overburn" option to growisofs. I just found that in the man pages ("man growisofs"). Also, I hope your file is misnamed. A .vob file is usually the encapsulated menu or mpeg2 video on a UDF filesystem. If you have a 4.2G image, I'll wager it is either a 4.2G mpeg2 file or a 4.2G UDF filesystem. If you have a 4.2G mpeg2 video file, you need to greate a UDF filesystem (with mkisofs or growisofs) that contains the .vob/.ifo files in a VIDEO_TS directory. To do that, you'll want to use something like dvdauthor. $ mv mymovie.vob mydvd.mpg $ mkdir DVD $ cat < mydvd.xml EOF $ dvdauthor -x mydvd.xml $ growisofs -dvd-compat -overburn -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video DVD/ Then you should have an "overburned" DVD, assuming it fit. Remember to remove that DVD/ directory when you're done. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 15:39:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74JdCB2022340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:39:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74JdCg3022339 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:39:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74JdBdU022335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:39:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74JdBar012563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:39:11 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-176.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.176]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74Jcw1r012518 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:38:58 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04DD10E342 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: SLUG List Subject: [SLUG] DVD ripping at Circuit City Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:40:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608041540.02354.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, AWL -2.00, BAYES_80 2.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As I'm sure a few of you have seen, Circuit City is offering a new service copying DVD's. We are not talking about home made DVDs either, but full commercial DVDs. This definitely will be interesting to follow. They must have decided they are willing to spend some money if MPAA comes after them. They call DMCA draconian digital rights management philosophies and anti-consumer technology. How long before other chains follow suit... Very interesting as tehy could in fact end the abuse of DMCA as this progresses. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 15:54:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74JsM3f022471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:54:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74JsMH5022470 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:54:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74JsMcV022466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:54:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74JsLFF013615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:54:21 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74JsAmx003313 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:54:10 -0400 Received: from ms-mss-05 (ms-mss-05-smtp-bk [10.10.4.15]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k74Js8TP009159 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tampabay.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-05.tampabay.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J3H004Y4OM8Y2@ms-mss-05.tampabay.rr.com> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.6.27] (Forwarded-For: [70.126.167.82]) by ms-mss-05.tampabay.rr.com (mshttpd); Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:54:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:54:08 -0400 From: rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com Subject: [SLUG] boot problem To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.341, required 6, AWL -0.62, BAYES_50 0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello All I have a problem and I'm sure someone out there can help me. My PC was hit by lighting and I had to replace the motherboard. The SATA chip set is not the same. So when I boot my system I get a message: unable to find "VolGroup00" As far as I can tell this means that the kernel is not loading the right kernel module driver for the sata hard drive. I googled around and discovered that I might need to modify the initrd.img file and add the proper sata_via module. I'm not sure if this is what I need to do so correct me if I'm wrong. I am running Fedora Core 5. How do I modify this file? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 16:10:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74KA79r022638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:10:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74KA78B022637 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:10:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74KA7oQ022633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:10:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74KA6h1014608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:10:07 -0400 Received: from serv01.clev10.com (ns1.clev10.com [66.98.140.64]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74K9ocq003008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:09:51 -0400 Received: from pool-71-122-164-179.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.164.179]:43185 helo=[192.168.1.104]) by serv01.clev10.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G95zP-0002Qo-Vs for slug@nks.net; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:09:48 -0500 Message-ID: <44D3A985.5060504@roblimo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:09:41 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD ripping at Circuit City References: <200608041540.02354.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608041540.02354.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - serv01.clev10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.8, required 6, AWL -1.80, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > As I'm sure a few of you have seen, Circuit City is offering a new service > copying DVD's. > > How long before other chains follow suit... Very interesting as tehy could in > fact end the abuse of DMCA as this progresses. > The music/video store of the future will have listening/viewing "sample" stations and buttons to burn your CD on the spot. The bookstore of the future will have sample copies of many titles, "sample" stations where you can read through just about any book on the market, and a PoD (Print on Demand) system in the back room that will print your books for you while you suck down drinks and eat pastry. Only a matter of time, chilluns. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 16:24:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74KOiuL022804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:24:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74KOiO3022803 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:24:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74KOi9N022799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:24:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74KOhMk015448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:24:43 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74KORwg018392 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:24:28 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so51042wri for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KCtVYw9g46KNHUzJa8JwKx66KZz5d7bYSKclvmyDtBFsM1sreG8xk9Ogu6j/HcghbhjAkV2eAv6s2zMeY103jT9MKirWxHaQjDRzQjEIPH/kz0ROcLz9SkBWjwwuQ1BhNUw+vDjIEf3UlSWNapdjmKKXNsjp5nobnrGSyfXSXDY= Received: by 10.78.177.3 with SMTP id z3mr1690700hue; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 16:24:26 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD ripping at Circuit City In-Reply-To: <44D3A985.5060504@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608041540.02354.steve@szmidt.org> <44D3A985.5060504@roblimo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net sounds nice. On 8/4/06, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: > > As I'm sure a few of you have seen, Circuit City is offering a new service > > copying DVD's. > > > > > How long before other chains follow suit... Very interesting as tehy could in > > fact end the abuse of DMCA as this progresses. > > > > The music/video store of the future will have listening/viewing "sample" > stations and buttons to burn your CD on the spot. The bookstore of the > future will have sample copies of many titles, "sample" stations where > you can read through just about any book on the market, and a PoD (Print > on Demand) system in the back room that will print your books for you > while you suck down drinks and eat pastry. > > Only a matter of time, chilluns. > > - Robin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 17:22:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LM8NW023301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:22:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74LM8X5023300 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:22:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LM8Cc023296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:22:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LM80u018097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:22:08 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LLu6o029479 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:21:56 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3H0033FSO51874@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 16:21:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:21:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] DVD ripping at Circuit City In-reply-to: <44D3A985.5060504@roblimo.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <44D3A985.5060504@roblimo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.33, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.33, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: >> As I'm sure a few of you have seen, Circuit City is offering a new service >> copying DVD's. >> > >> How long before other chains follow suit... Very interesting as tehy could >> in fact end the abuse of DMCA as this progresses. > > The music/video store of the future will have listening/viewing "sample" > stations and buttons to burn your CD on the spot. The bookstore of the future > will have sample copies of many titles, "sample" stations where you can read > through just about any book on the market, and a PoD (Print on Demand) system > in the back room that will print your books for you while you suck down > drinks and eat pastry. > > Only a matter of time, chilluns. That'll be an extra-cost option. Default action will be to put a link on your smart card to download it or to email the link to you. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 17:43:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LhrXM023441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:43:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74LhrKs023440 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:43:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74Lhrln023436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:43:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74Lhr5N019241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:43:53 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LhQA8018102 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:43:26 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so194379nfa for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:43:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Npc9zNMWQwn/8zfMjRlkca1ZyvZT3//KS5w5xcJj8IMS9VW4hsh6a1Wd3uDl+XuXcoz/S/qokA8/E9D7+D3fBhyMNTcddHQe0ix7Ig30Fpq+RSgjAL5ZiPw5NpNAOtiqSJIJfsWPh/OH5+e8QJ4ZBNAUyFzsH+qZHSs0o347N60= Received: by 10.82.120.16 with SMTP id s16mr978171buc; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 14:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608041443y2b04d0a1xe9d0d728a1f196aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:43:24 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] boot problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7809_8200653.1154727804866" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.891, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.89, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_7809_8200653.1154727804866 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > As far as I can tell this means that the kernel is not loading the right > kernel module driver for the sata hard drive. I googled around and > discovered that I might need to modify the initrd.img file and add the > proper sata_via module. I'm not sure if this is what I need to do so > correct me if I'm wrong. > > I am running Fedora Core 5. > > How do I modify this file? It might be. initrd is gzipped file, usually either of ext2 filesystem data (that can be mounted using a loop device), or a cpio archive. Best thing to do is probably to copy it (keep the original for a backup until you are set) to a name you choose ending in .gz, gunzip it, then run file on it. It will tell you if it's cpio archive or ext2 filesystem data. If it's cpio, then run cpio -divu on it (at least -di), or if it's a loop filesystem, mount it somewhere (specify -o loop). When you are done copying the required kernel module into your initrd tree, cpio to a new archive (or umount the filesystem), gzip the file, and clean up the name to match your boot loader. Or see if you have a mkinitrd script installed on your system which will do it for you (including copying loaded kernel module object files and sizing the initrd appropriately). Good luck! ~ Daniel ------=_Part_7809_8200653.1154727804866 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
As far as I can tell this means that the kernel is not loading the right
kernel module driver for the sata hard drive.  I googled around and
discovered that I might need to modify the initrd.img file and add the
proper sata_via module.  I'm not sure if this is what I need to do so
correct me if I'm wrong.

I am running Fedora Core 5.

How do I modify this file?

It might be.

initrd is gzipped file, usually either of ext2 filesystem data (that can be mounted using a loop device), or a cpio archive.

Best thing to do is probably to copy it (keep the original for a backup until you are set) to a name you choose ending in .gz, gunzip it, then run file on it.  It will tell you if it's cpio archive or ext2 filesystem data.  If it's cpio, then run cpio -divu on it (at least -di), or if it's a loop filesystem, mount it somewhere (specify -o loop).

When you are done copying the required kernel module into your initrd tree, cpio to a new archive (or umount the filesystem), gzip the file, and clean up the name to match your boot loader.  Or see if you have a mkinitrd script installed on your system which will do it for you (including copying loaded kernel module object files and sizing the initrd appropriately).

Good luck!
~ Daniel

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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 17:52:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LqHgh023508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:52:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74LqHAD023507 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:52:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LqGvg023503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:52:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LqG8p019935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:52:16 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-176.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.176]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74LpxOn005856 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:51:59 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB5D10E22A for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 14:51:57 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] boot problem Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 17:52:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608041752.54308.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.488, required 6, AWL -0.51, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 04 August 2006 15:54, rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Hello All > > I have a problem and I'm sure someone out there can help me. My PC was > hit by lighting and I had to replace the motherboard. The SATA chip set > is not the same. So when I boot my system I get a message: unable to > find "VolGroup00" It seems more like it has found a reference to it but don't see it. It does not give an error just because there is no logical volume. > As far as I can tell this means that the kernel is not loading the right > kernel module driver for the sata hard drive. I googled around and > discovered that I might need to modify the initrd.img file and add the > proper sata_via module. I'm not sure if this is what I need to do so > correct me if I'm wrong. I've never seen it but it does not sound like it to me. When you boot how far does it get? Are you using the same old drive or is this a rebuilt drive or what? Hit e to edit grub when it boots, then see what it is trying to load. If you are using the same drive I'd figure it to be damaged to some extent. > I am running Fedora Core 5. > > How do I modify this file? You usually generate one when you compile the kernel, never heard of editing it. Again, I don't think you are on the right track. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 18:36:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MatR2023918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:36:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74MatiE023917 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:36:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MatWb023913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:36:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MasQ9022953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:36:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MaYCS000317 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:36:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.123] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k74MaXV6000660 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] boot problem SOLVED From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:35:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1154730940.3094.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.577, required 6, AWL -1.58, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 15:54 -0400, rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > Hello All > > I have a problem and I'm sure someone out there can help me. My PC was > hit by lighting and I had to replace the motherboard. The SATA chip set > is not the same. So when I boot my system I get a message: unable to > find "VolGroup00" > > As far as I can tell this means that the kernel is not loading the right > kernel module driver for the sata hard drive. I googled around and > discovered that I might need to modify the initrd.img file and add the > proper sata_via module. I'm not sure if this is what I need to do so > correct me if I'm wrong. > > I am running Fedora Core 5. > > How do I modify this file? > > Regards > Russ This is how I did it I followed the instructions at http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=114819 I stuck the suse 10.1 disk 1 in the drive and chose to do an upgrade. the setup program loaded the local hard drive and I just changed to the console and went to /mnt/boot And copied the initrd for my kernel to my home directory then worked from in there. mkdir ~/tmp cd ~/tmp cp /boot/initrd.img ./initrd.gz gunzip initrd.gz mkdir tmp2 cd tmp2 cpio -id < ../initrd.img now you should have a lot of files in ~/tmp/tmp2 directories, including a lot of subdirectories like sbin,lib I changed init by adding the following lines: echo "Loading sata_via.ko module" insmod /lib/sata_via.ko and removing echo "Loading sata_nv.ko module" insmod /lib/sata_nv.ko I then copied the files from the kernel modules into the lib directory cp /lib/modules/2.6.17-1.2157_FC5/kernel/drivers/scsi/sata_via.ko /mnt/home/rwright/init/tmp2/lib then pack the files back into the archive using the following command cd ~/tmp/tmp2 find . | cpio --create --format='newc' > ~/tmp/newinitrd cd ~/tmp gzip newinitrd now you would have a newinitrd.gz rename this now - mv newinitrd.gz as newinitrd.img this is the new boot image now !! I then copied it over to the boot directory, renamed it the same as the kernel and rebooted! HUAAAH!! Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 4 18:41:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MfUIQ023973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:41:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k74MfUZc023972 for slug-track29; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:41:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MfThA023968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:41:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MfTiX023194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:41:29 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k74MfGQ1027787 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:41:17 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so208102nfa for ; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:41:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jvtR/LjrHiC9xr/niWzSJyPy5iMIonUVAS7UxNZ1Um/V07Vl39qbhSY8Mlow/8UjCzsHQfT0tLFuDjOKHNXlJq2Ebgmc1dKOb/nxqp+YjQh0zUoNoodoVxcHi+N/9XAvIy+Yp7hxeD7SGkD0Z3DoOkxvOl9B8d9MjaSq3846i6E= Received: by 10.82.123.10 with SMTP id v10mr982475buc; Fri, 04 Aug 2006 15:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Aug 2006 15:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608041541oaf8b587rb407dcc9a4fd08dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:41:15 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] boot problem In-Reply-To: <200608041752.54308.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8111_29801684.1154731275737" References: <200608041752.54308.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.142, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.23, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_8111_29801684.1154731275737 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/4/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Friday 04 August 2006 15:54, rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > Hello All > > > > I have a problem and I'm sure someone out there can help me. My PC was > > hit by lighting and I had to replace the motherboard. The SATA chip set > > is not the same. So when I boot my system I get a message: unable to > > find "VolGroup00" > > It seems more like it has found a reference to it but don't see it. It > does > not give an error just because there is no logical volume. Steve, Russ didn't say, but given his situation it's seems a good chance that he not only had the logical volume defined, but he was using it as his root device (and would have had a kernel parm root=/dev/VolGroup00/.... in his grub configuration). Another possibility is that his machine boots into linux, mounts root successfully, then chokes on the LV when it tries to mount other filesystems specified in fstab... but that seems considerably less likely given the possible causes for that and the information he does provide. > > As far as I can tell this means that the kernel is not loading the right > > kernel module driver for the sata hard drive. I googled around and > > discovered that I might need to modify the initrd.img file and add the > > proper sata_via module. I'm not sure if this is what I need to do so > > correct me if I'm wrong. > > I've never seen it but it does not sound like it to me. New SATA chipset = new drive controller; possible that the controller support wasn't compiled into his kernel, and that the new module isn't in his initrd because he didn't require it before. Until installed, he can't exactly read it from /lib/modules/ (the main reason why initrd's were created in the first place). When you boot how far does it get? Again, not specifically mentioned, but pretty good bet until the kernel panic because it couldn't switch to the root filesystem on the LV. Are you using the same old drive or is this a rebuilt drive or what? > > Hit e to edit grub when it boots, then see what it is trying to load. If > you > are using the same drive I'd figure it to be damaged to some extent. And I may be completely off here, but take another look at the limited information Russ did provide in the first paragraph before writing it off. > I am running Fedora Core 5. > > > > How do I modify this file? > > You usually generate one when you compile the kernel, never heard of > editing > it. Again, I don't think you are on the right track. this email is not meant to be construed as criticism or taken personally or anything ~ Daniel ------=_Part_8111_29801684.1154731275737 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/4/06, steve szmidt <steve@szmidt.org> wrote:
On Friday 04 August 2006 15:54, rwrigh10@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
> Hello All
>
> I have a problem and I'm sure someone out there can help me.  My PC was
> hit by lighting and I had to replace the motherboard.  The SATA chip set
> is not the same.  So when I boot my system I get a message: unable to
> find "VolGroup00"

It seems more like it has found a reference to it but don't see it. It does
not give an error just because there is no logical volume.


Steve, Russ didn't say, but given his situation it's seems a good chance that he not only had the logical volume defined, but he was using it as his root device (and would have had a kernel parm root=/dev/VolGroup00/.... in his grub configuration).  Another possibility is that his machine boots into linux, mounts root successfully, then chokes on the LV when it tries to mount other filesystems specified in fstab... but that seems considerably less likely given the possible causes for that and the information he does provide.

 
> As far as I can tell this means that the kernel is not loading the right
> kernel module driver for the sata hard drive.  I googled around and
> discovered that I might need to modify the initrd.img file and add the
> proper sata_via module.  I'm not sure if this is what I need to do so
> correct me if I'm wrong.

I've never seen it but it does not sound like it to me.


New SATA chipset = new drive controller; possible that the controller support wasn't compiled into his kernel, and that the new module isn't in his initrd because he didn't require it before.  Until installed, he can't exactly read it from /lib/modules/ (the main reason why initrd's were created in the first place).


When you boot how far does it get?


Again, not specifically mentioned, but pretty good bet until the kernel panic because it couldn't switch to the root filesystem on the LV.


Are you using the same old drive or is this a rebuilt drive or what?

Hit e to edit grub when it boots, then see what it is trying to load. If you
are using the same drive I'd figure it to be damaged to some extent.


And I may be completely off here, but take another look at the limited information Russ did provide in the first paragraph before writing it off.
 

> I am running Fedora Core 5.
>
> How do I modify this file?

You usually generate one when you compile the kernel, never heard of editing
it. Again, I don't think you are on the right track.


this email is not meant to be construed as criticism or taken personally or anything
~ Daniel
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now you would have a newinitrd.gz
rename this now -
mv newinitrd.gz as newinitrd.img
this is the new boot image now !!

I then copied it over to the boot directory, renamed it the same as the
kernel and rebooted!
 

Glad you are up and running!  But couldn't you have waited until a minute AFTER I had hit send on my last one :)?

j/k, glad you got it
~ Daniel

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 02:01:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7561hfM027557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:01:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7561hhR027556 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:01:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7561gEL027552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:01:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7561gJ4013347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:01:42 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7561PI1027546 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:01:25 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.207.197] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.42c2) id 8JQGN00 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 02:01:21 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:13:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> In-Reply-To: <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608050213.06500.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.139, required 6, AWL -1.82, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, TW_VM 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 04 August 2006 13:42, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > >> Hello Sluggers > >> > >> I have a file "mymovie.vob" that is 4.2 GB in size. K3b won't burn > >> it, saying it has a 4GB limitation. So, I try the CLI with this > >> command: "growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder -dvd-video mymovie.vob" > >> ........................... Hello Ian, Thanks for replying. > > You can specify an "-overburn" option to growisofs. I just found that in > the man pages ("man growisofs"). Yes, I knew of that, but it also failed with the same 4GB message. > > Also, I hope your file is misnamed. > > A .vob file is usually the encapsulated menu or mpeg2 video on a UDF > filesystem. > If you have a 4.2G image, I'll wager it is either a 4.2G mpeg2 file or a > 4.2G UDF filesystem. Your wager would be correct as the properties show it to be an mpeg2 file. > > If you have a 4.2G mpeg2 video file, you need to greate a UDF filesystem > (with mkisofs or growisofs) that contains the .vob/.ifo files in a > VIDEO_TS directory. > To do that, you'll want to use something like dvdauthor. > OK, normally do use dvdauthor. > $ mv mymovie.vob mydvd.mpg OK renamed the vob to mpg. > $ mkdir DVD OK, made the directory > $ cat < mydvd.xml Don't understand this instruction. What is this doing, calling up the script? Don't have a mydvd.xml script yet. Ummm...Am I just dumb or ignorant? Soooo, blundering onward, I took your following sample script... > > > > > > > > EOF And, I made a new dvd.xml script reflecting the above and named it mydvd.xml > $ dvdauthor -x mydvd.xml OK, This is where it fails. I just get a huge long list of repeated WARN: Skipping sector, Waiting for first VOBU.....until it times out 10 minutes later. It does populate the DVD directory though, with the Audio & Video_TS files with nothing in them. This is where I was when I tried to do this previously, and before I attempted to burn the iso directly, which then prompted me to post my question about growisofs. > $ growisofs -dvd-compat -overburn -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video DVD/ Hopefully I will eventually be able to use this command. > > Then you should have an "overburned" DVD, assuming it fit. > > Remember to remove that DVD/ directory when you're done. > > - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ Thanks Ian, Appreciate your help. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 02:12:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k756C4sE027627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:12:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k756C4a6027626 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:12:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k756C4I4027622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:12:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k756C3D7013713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:12:04 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k756BrpK002916 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:11:53 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.207.197] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.42c2) id 8JQHC00 for ; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 02:11:52 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Hey Roblimo Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:23:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608050223.38110.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.474, required 6, AWL 0.12, BAYES_00 -2.60, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Roblimo, Is that you/your video on the savetheinternet.com? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 08:06:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75C6HWs030637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:06:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75C6H5W030636 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:06:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75C6GYC030632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:06:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75C6GIw010505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:06:16 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75C4Zhs015566 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:04:35 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:04:30 -0600 Message-Id: <44D45103.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:04:19 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031121.58780.steve@szmidt.org> <44D1E591.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.308, required 6, AWL -0.29, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k75C6HYB030633 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2006 at 2:40 PM, in message <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 03 August 2006 12:01, John Pugh wrote: > >> > Looks like SMART is an even better way to go. Any notes on that? >> >> Haven't looked into SMART, although I've read that it works, but that >> was from the author. >> >> I have heard/read of conflicting success/failure with updating from a >> RC. I would start from scratch if you want a real world "test". My fresh >> install of SLED10 on a T41p went w/o any issues whatsoever. I have had >> issues with trying to add "unsupported" repositories into the Software >> Updater tool and currently use both the software updater for supported >> repositories and YaST's installation sources to add packages thru the >> YaST Software Management tool for unsupported repositories such as >> packman. >> >> I have entered several bugs on the software updater that are in various >> states of work in progress. Please feel free to file bug reports on >> items that you feel are not adequate and let me know what the numbers >> are so I can move them along, if need be, internally. > > Gee, that's nice of you! Dont' get used to it. > > Yes, this is the part that gets annoying regardless of distro. You need/want > certain things not included. Not only do you need to watch out for > conflicting repo's but anything not standard with that particular repo. > Which cripples its usability. F.ex. I only use Amarok because I need things like > playing random albums, not just random songs, plugin that sets level volume, > ability to play online radio's, and so on. But 10 has this poorly featured > Banshee instead. Ditto with kdetv. Not at all as workable as tvtime. > > Now I got it working almost all formats I use. I got mp3, ogg and a few > albums with wma. But wma is not supported. Unless I use mplayer or xine. But then I > have to go through and figure out what changes to make to use xine (which is > installed). However it does not have a stable mplayer available. This is a result of Novell's anal retentive stance on licensed/free software. Expect to see fully supported versions of a popular player that supports all of the flavors coming in SLED10 SP1 (so I'm told). I, too, have all the formats running on my SLED10 instance via mplayer, however, Novell will not support that at present due to legal concerns. > > All of which I got running under FC5. So it's borderline as to which way to > go. I really don't want to spend all the time to debug everything I need. > > I don't even care about what is available and not vs windows as I never use > it and subsequently don't miss it, if that would be the case even. Windows and > company can jump in the river if they want. Not my problem anymore. I feel > things are more reliable in the long run regardless of application issues, > as my O/S is so much more stable. > > My time investment vs productivity is way good and has only been getting > better and better over the last 10 years. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 08:13:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75CDdGm030689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:13:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75CDdiE030688 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:13:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75CDcHf030684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:13:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75CDHTO011507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:13:36 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75C7n2u008253 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:07:49 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:07:45 -0600 Message-Id: <44D451C6.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 06:07:35 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031503.38316.steve@szmidt.org> <55121.216.134.200.78.1154634456.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <200608031649.06007.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200608031649.06007.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.41, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.19, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k75CDcHe030685 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2006 at 4:49 PM, in message <200608031649.06007.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 03 August 2006 15:47, Jason Boxman wrote: >> steve szmidt wrote: >> > Another little thing. Amarok under FC5 keeps the current song centered in >> > the disply, while it does not do that in 10. >> >> Could that possibly be an Amarok version feature and not a distribution >> specific problem? > > SuSE's version is 1.3.8 and looks very similar to what I had under FC5 but > it's possible. The thing that is odd is that I've had it back as far as I > can recall under FC5. Not something you take out exactly. Novell doesn't change the package, it simply picks which one it will work with and regresses that package. I'll enter a bug, but on what distro are you seeing it? SLED10 or openSUSE 10.1? I also recall seeing an update to Amarok...not sure where it applied. Did you see that update? If so, does that update fix the problem? JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 08:45:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75CjQHu030966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:45:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75CjQ39030965 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:45:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75CjP0e030961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:45:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75CjPrg015996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:45:25 -0400 Received: from serv01.clev10.com (ns1.clev10.com [66.98.140.64]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Cj89n007669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:45:08 -0400 Received: from pool-71-122-164-179.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.164.179]:44239 helo=[192.168.1.104]) by serv01.clev10.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G9LWc-00057E-Sj for slug@nks.net; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 07:45:07 -0500 Message-ID: <44D492CB.4060801@roblimo.com> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:44:59 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hey Roblimo References: <200608050223.38110.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200608050223.38110.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - serv01.clev10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.605, required 6, AWL -1.99, BAYES_50 0.00, SARE_LWOILCO 0.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > Hey Roblimo, > > Is that you/your video on the savetheinternet.com? > Can't get that site to load so can't say for sure, but it probably is. I've been making little video commentaries lately and sticking them on YouTube both for fun and as video production/editing self-training exercises. The "Net Neutrality" one seems to have spread all over the place. My latest one is about Tux being (mis)used and Ewing not getting credit in an oil company-sponsored "global warming is fake" astroturf video. See it here: http://www.roblimo.com/node/144 - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 09:35:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DZhCH031422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:35:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75DZhWM031421 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:35:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DZhSd031417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:35:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DZh8h018415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:35:43 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.89]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DZEgj030367 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:35:14 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.42]) by bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:35:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:35:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:35:10 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200608050213.06500.rnr@sanctum.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:35:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2006 13:35:13.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[FAECBD00:01C6B893] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.209, required 6, AWL -2.22, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00, TW_VM 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bob Stia Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 02:13:05 -0400 On Friday 04 August 2006 13:42, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > >> Hello Sluggers > >> > >> I have a file "mymovie.vob" that is 4.2 GB in size. K3b won't burn > >> it, saying it has a 4GB limitation. So, I try the CLI with this > >> command: "growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder -dvd-video mymovie.vob" > >> ........................... Hello Ian, Thanks for replying. > > You can specify an "-overburn" option to growisofs. I just found that in > the man pages ("man growisofs"). Yes, I knew of that, but it also failed with the same 4GB message. > > Also, I hope your file is misnamed. > > A .vob file is usually the encapsulated menu or mpeg2 video on a UDF > filesystem. > If you have a 4.2G image, I'll wager it is either a 4.2G mpeg2 file or a > 4.2G UDF filesystem. Your wager would be correct as the properties show it to be an mpeg2 file. > > If you have a 4.2G mpeg2 video file, you need to greate a UDF filesystem > (with mkisofs or growisofs) that contains the .vob/.ifo files in a > VIDEO_TS directory. > To do that, you'll want to use something like dvdauthor. > OK, normally do use dvdauthor. > $ mv mymovie.vob mydvd.mpg OK renamed the vob to mpg. > $ mkdir DVD OK, made the directory > $ cat < mydvd.xml Don't understand this instruction. What is this doing, calling up the script? Don't have a mydvd.xml script yet. Ummm...Am I just dumb or ignorant? Soooo, blundering onward, I took your following sample script... > > > > > > > > EOF And, I made a new dvd.xml script reflecting the above and named it mydvd.xml > $ dvdauthor -x mydvd.xml OK, This is where it fails. I just get a huge long list of repeated WARN: Skipping sector, Waiting for first VOBU.....until it times out 10 minutes later. It does populate the DVD directory though, with the Audio & Video_TS files with nothing in them. This is where I was when I tried to do this previously, and before I attempted to burn the iso directly, which then prompted me to post my question about growisofs. > $ growisofs -dvd-compat -overburn -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video DVD/ Hopefully I will eventually be able to use this command. > > Then you should have an "overburned" DVD, assuming it fit. > > Remember to remove that DVD/ directory when you're done. > > - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ Thanks Ian, Appreciate your help. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. Just a suggestion here, but what about using the dd command to create an iso and then burning that iso to the DVD? I know this works for data, but not so sure about a movie. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 09:37:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DbmgW031445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:37:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75DbmN0031444 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:37:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DblXX031440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:37:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Dblcs018472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:37:47 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Daxij010544 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:36:59 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3J00DDT1T19NDB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:36:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:36:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? In-reply-to: <200608050213.06500.rnr@sanctum.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> <200608050213.06500.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.393, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.39, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 5 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > On Friday 04 August 2006 13:42, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > >> $ cat < mydvd.xml > > Don't understand this instruction. What is this doing, calling up the script? It copies whatever you type (until you type "EOF" on a line by itself) into "mydvd.xml". It's known as a "here-document". If you type the command as "<<-" not "<<", it'll ignore leading white space (through the entire thing? only when recognizing the terminator?). >> $ dvdauthor -x mydvd.xml > > OK, This is where it fails. I just get a huge long list of repeated WARN: > Skipping sector, Waiting for first VOBU.....until it times out 10 minutes > later. > It does populate the DVD directory though, with the Audio & Video_TS files > with nothing in them. "cat mydvd.xml" to make sure what's in there is what should be in there. If you're really paranoid, "cat -er mydvd.xml". -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII chrcter. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." - Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 09:40:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75De5o2031487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:40:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75De5F2031486 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:40:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75De320031470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:40:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75De2Tc018593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:40:02 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Ddm4R005212 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:39:48 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.30]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:39:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:39:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:39:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44D492CB.4060801@roblimo.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hey Roblimo Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:39:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2006 13:39:47.0800 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E59E580:01C6B894] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.273, required 6, AWL -2.87, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SARE_LWOILCO 0.39, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Maybe just me, but there doesn't seem to be any audio. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hey Roblimo Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:44:59 -0400 Bob Stia wrote: >Hey Roblimo, > >Is that you/your video on the savetheinternet.com? > Can't get that site to load so can't say for sure, but it probably is. I've been making little video commentaries lately and sticking them on YouTube both for fun and as video production/editing self-training exercises. The "Net Neutrality" one seems to have spread all over the place. My latest one is about Tux being (mis)used and Ewing not getting credit in an oil company-sponsored "global warming is fake" astroturf video. See it here: http://www.roblimo.com/node/144 - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 09:48:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Dmruc031555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:48:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75Dmr6u031554 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:48:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Dmrox031550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:48:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DmqPl019049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:48:53 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.230]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75DmaaE029549 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 09:48:37 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.29]) by bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:48:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 06:48:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:48:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44D492CB.4060801@roblimo.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hey Roblimo Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:48:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Aug 2006 13:48:35.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[D929F000:01C6B895] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.875, required 6, AWL -2.27, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SARE_LWOILCO 0.39, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Never mind. Looks like the Firefox upgrade borked my flash somehow. Not getting audio on anything from YouTube all of a sudden. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Hey Roblimo Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 08:44:59 -0400 Bob Stia wrote: >Hey Roblimo, > >Is that you/your video on the savetheinternet.com? > Can't get that site to load so can't say for sure, but it probably is. I've been making little video commentaries lately and sticking them on YouTube both for fun and as video production/editing self-training exercises. The "Net Neutrality" one seems to have spread all over the place. My latest one is about Tux being (mis)used and Ewing not getting credit in an oil company-sponsored "global warming is fake" astroturf video. See it here: http://www.roblimo.com/node/144 - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 10:50:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75EoVco032092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:50:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75EoVPM032091 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:50:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75EoUQ9032087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:50:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75EoU7a024338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:50:30 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-118.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.118]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75EoEH1019740 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:50:14 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524A3EEBFF for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 07:50:13 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping.- corrected insited and updated Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 10:51:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031440.06562.steve@szmidt.org> <44D45103.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D45103.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608051051.19608.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.64, required 6, AWL -0.36, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 05 August 2006 08:04, John Pugh wrote: > > Now I got it working almost all formats I use. I got mp3, ogg and a few > > albums with wma. But wma is not supported. Unless I use mplayer or xine. > > But then I have to go through and figure out what changes to make to use > > xine (which is installed). However it does not have a stable mplayer > > available. > > This is a result of Novell's anal retentive stance on licensed/free > software. Expect to see fully supported versions of a popular player that > supports all of the flavors coming in SLED10 SP1 (so I'm told). I, too, > have all the formats running on my SLED10 instance via mplayer, however, > Novell will not support that at present due to legal concerns. Which is OK. When one can get the s/w (like Amarok) and access to the various writeups that is showing how to do it. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 11:20:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75FKOEv032406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:20:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75FKO8T032405 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:20:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75FKODg032401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:20:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75FKOmt026277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:20:24 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-98.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.98]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75FKFmQ025793 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:20:15 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB99EE8BA for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 08:20:12 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SLE 10 is now shipping Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:21:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44BB5AA1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200608031649.06007.steve@szmidt.org> <44D451C6.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <44D451C6.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608051121.10197.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.01, required 6, AWL -0.82, BAYES_40 -0.18, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 05 August 2006 08:07, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2006 at 4:49 PM, in message > > <200608031649.06007.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Thursday 03 August 2006 15:47, Jason Boxman wrote: > >> steve szmidt wrote: > >> > Another little thing. Amarok under FC5 keeps the current song centered > >> > in the disply, while it does not do that in 10. > >> > >> Could that possibly be an Amarok version feature and not a distribution > >> specific problem? > > > > SuSE's version is 1.3.8 and looks very similar to what I had under FC5 > > but it's possible. The thing that is odd is that I've had it back as far > > as I can recall under FC5. Not something you take out exactly. > > Novell doesn't change the package, it simply picks which one it will work > with and regresses that package. I'll enter a bug, but on what distro are > you seeing it? SLED10 or openSUSE 10.1? SLED > I also recall seeing an update to Amarok...not sure where it applied. Did > you see that update? If so, does that update fix the problem? No update available. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.387, required 6, AWL -0.50, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 12:49:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75GnZXm000645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:49:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75GnZw9000644 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:49:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75GnYuC000640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:49:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75GnY3h030314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:49:34 -0400 Received: from smtpout12-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout12-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [68.178.232.4]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k75GnFj6020471 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 12:49:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 30678 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2006 16:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gem-wbe15.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.223) by smtpout12-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2006 16:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 28233 invoked by uid 99); 5 Aug 2006 16:49:14 -0000 Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 09:49:14 -0700 From: "David R. Meyer" Subject: RE: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. To: slug@nks.net Message-ID: <20060805094914.521b7059f1e09bbdacd7e3b34a5d9af3.7018089e81.wbe@email.secureserver.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII User-Agent: Web-Based Email 4.4.12 X-Originating-IP: 71.98.137.171 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.545, required 6, AWL 3.53, BAYES_00 -2.60, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I love this! I think I can find a use for it! > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. > From: "Pete S." > Date: Sat, August 05, 2006 12:30 pm > To: slug@nks.net > > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 5 17:53:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75LrqMH003091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:53:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k75Lrqca003090 for slug-track29; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:53:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Lrpbj003086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:53:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75Lrp06011037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:53:51 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k75LreGW013806 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:53:40 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D31F3862 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2006 17:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Samba SID in Explorer Owner Field From: Mike Branda To: SLUG Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:53:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1154814819.28893.24.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.26, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, J_CHICKENPOX_22 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_29 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_35 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey all, Don't know if there's any Samba guru's here but I figured it's worth posting to see as I'm stumped. I have 4 servers running Samba. The First is Acting as a PDC with roaming profile logons as well as an LDAP server. I am using the smbldap-tools to administer the two. That works great. I also have 3 other network file servers that are mapped to use LDAP from the PDC for posix account info. I set the smb.conf on each of them to use LDAP for sambaSamAccount info also via below: # Specifying ldapsam backend database #################################################### passdb backend = ldapsam:ldaps://my.pdc.servername.com username map = /etc/samba/smbusers # OpenLDAP stuff is defined here ################################################### ldap suffix = dc=my,dc=pdc,dc=servername,dc=com ldap machine suffix = ou=Computers ldap user suffix = ou=Users ldap group suffix = ou=Groups ldap idmap suffix = ou=Users ldap admin dn = uid=Admin,ou=Users,dc=my,dc=pdc,dc=servername,dc=com ldap ssl = On ldap passwd sync = Yes idmap uid = 150000-550000 idmap gid = 150000-550000 Now the accounts can log in fine with single point LDAP user management from all the systems posix, samba or otherwise. The problem I am having is the SID from the PDC box is what is used to generate the data in the users sambaSID LDAP entry. As a result, The "Owner" field in the Windows file Explorer is correct for the homes share from the PDC in that it displays the "workgroup\joeuser" posix name. Shares mapped from the file servers show the long S-1-5-21-1234567890-1234567890-1234567890-2308 (with the last four being the rid?) where the first part is the SID from the PDC as the "Owner". Is there a way to make these display the right posix name also instead of the long non-useful sambaSID? Thanks!! Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp6.knology.net with ESMTPA; 6 Aug 2006 17:12:57 -0000 Subject: [SLUG] Firefox - Evolution From: John Brown To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1154884473.4850.10.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:14:33 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_60 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all, Odd problem just cropped up. I run FC1 with Evolution 1.4.5 and Firefox 1.5.0.6. After the last upgrade of Firefox, clicking on weblinks in Evolution no longer opens a new window or tab in Firefox. I can't seem to google the right phrase to find a resolution other than the problem on MS Windows and guides through Windows wizard dialogs. Got any ideas of where I go to fix this? -- JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 6 13:45:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76HjekC012984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:45:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k76Hje8L012983 for slug-track29; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:45:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76HjdKq012979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:45:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76HjdEr010175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:45:39 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76HjKep027223 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 13:45:20 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1G9mgh-0002v3-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:45:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox - Evolution From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1154884473.4850.10.camel@biostar.com> References: <1154884473.4850.10.camel@biostar.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 13:43:36 -0400 Message-Id: <1154886216.7265.42.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.289, required 6, AWL -0.75, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you're running Gnome, then from the Desktop menu, choose preferences and then preferred applications. That's one place I can think of, but I know there's another that I can't... On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 13:14 -0400, John Brown wrote: > Hi all, > > Odd problem just cropped up. I run FC1 with Evolution 1.4.5 and Firefox > 1.5.0.6. After the last upgrade of Firefox, clicking on weblinks in > Evolution no longer opens a new window or tab in Firefox. > > I can't seem to google the right phrase to find a resolution other than > the problem on MS Windows and guides through Windows wizard dialogs. > > Got any ideas of where I go to fix this? > > -- JB > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp3.knology.net with ESMTPA; 6 Aug 2006 17:55:07 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox - Evolution From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1154886216.7265.42.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> References: <1154884473.4850.10.camel@biostar.com> <1154886216.7265.42.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1154887291.4850.14.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:01:31 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Humm... that was it. Somehow the preferred app got changed. Firefox wasn't even on the list of options. Placing the command I use to start Firefox in "custom" did it. Thanks! --JB On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 13:43, Russell Hires wrote: > If you're running Gnome, then from the Desktop menu, choose preferences > and then preferred applications. That's one place I can think of, but I > know there's another that I can't... > > On Sun, 2006-08-06 at 13:14 -0400, John Brown wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Odd problem just cropped up. I run FC1 with Evolution 1.4.5 and Firefox > > 1.5.0.6. After the last upgrade of Firefox, clicking on weblinks in > > Evolution no longer opens a new window or tab in Firefox. > > > > I can't seem to google the right phrase to find a resolution other than > > the problem on MS Windows and guides through Windows wizard dialogs. > > > > Got any ideas of where I go to fix this? > > > > -- JB > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 6 14:06:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76I6kN5013202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:06:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k76I6kdv013201 for slug-track29; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:06:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76I6jk6013192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:06:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76I6iEe011136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:06:44 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76I6SFu009064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:06:29 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G9n1A-00078r-8p; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 14:06:28 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8D04656BDB; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:06:25 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060806180625.8D04656BDB@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 14:06:25 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.752, required 6, AWL -1.74, BAYES_60 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.33, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 8 August 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 426 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 6 15:15:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JFeLR013752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:15:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k76JFer8013751 for slug-track29; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:15:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JFehi013747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:15:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JFebT013839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:15:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JFKTu003275 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:15:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k76JFJ7C022183 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:15:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] KMAIL Behavior Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:35:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608061635.44931.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.962, required 6, AWL -0.59, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I use a touch pad. I was reading KMAIL and had just deleted something. As I dragged my pointer, I accidentally clicked something and got a message that I had successfully moved my remaining mail. It did not ask me where I wanted it to go. I do not show any unread mail in any of my mail folders. Where would KMAIL move mail without me telling it to put it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 6 15:25:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JPsEb013893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:25:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k76JPs7h013892 for slug-track29; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:25:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JPr0Z013888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:25:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JPrvN014238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:25:53 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76JPc0Y029567 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:25:39 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.27]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:25:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:25:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:25:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200608061635.44931.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] KMAIL Behavior Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 19:25:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Aug 2006 19:25:38.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[19015490:01C6B98E] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.476, required 6, AWL -2.28, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----Original Message Follows---- From: Richard Smoot Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] KMAIL Behavior Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 16:35:44 -0400 I use a touch pad. I was reading KMAIL and had just deleted something. As I dragged my pointer, I accidentally clicked something and got a message that I had successfully moved my remaining mail. It did not ask me where I wanted it to go. I do not show any unread mail in any of my mail folders. Where would KMAIL move mail without me telling it to put it? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. That's a tough one. Did you look behind the couch? Seriously, you may just have to look through your various mail directories and check the dates on the messages. A glitch like that could have put them just about anywhere. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 6 17:19:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LJIZs014826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:19:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k76LJI9v014825 for slug-track29; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:19:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LJIq9014821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:19:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LJ3Ee019801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:19:18 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LIhlE012853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:18:44 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G9q11-0004n8-SC for slug@nks.net; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:18:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-AmB2rUkuChWRCueHvCXS" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:17:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1154899079.31558.9.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.571, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-AmB2rUkuChWRCueHvCXS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 12:30 -0400, Pete S. wrote: > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html Heh, now that the cat is out of the bag, WeeRobby and Teckles the Clown, this his how I kept you out of my network. I 'splained it to you both, over a year ago, in #sslug in irc.shadowworld.net, but this is precisely how I did it. No backwards interweb just denial. TheLogan --=20 I think i will just look out side and star at the ran -- The Book of Weenes= e Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-AmB2rUkuChWRCueHvCXS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE1lyH3OecGqSbkyMRAssLAJsG3kjNsnR5CTG+5qFxv6+PPbihsgCgi22y JM9KcoA98oXQUhh/WOkyiSg= =f6wm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-AmB2rUkuChWRCueHvCXS-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 6 17:32:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LWm7V014936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:32:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k76LWmo0014935 for slug-track29; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:32:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LWl9w014931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:32:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LWlgI020306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:32:47 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k76LWU3x032071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 6 Aug 2006 17:32:30 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1G9qEV-000520-0p for slug@nks.net; Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:32:27 -0400 Subject: Now: If you truly enjoy mischief! Was Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uan8T7Zn2sG9ZsfoCtYj" Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2006 17:31:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1154899915.31558.14.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.028, required 6, AWL -0.97, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-uan8T7Zn2sG9ZsfoCtYj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2006-08-05 at 12:30 -0400, Pete S. wrote: > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html Now if you truly enjoy mischief, check out my favorite new toy brought to my attention by an Alt.2006 associate. Poit! Off with the bar TV! Another local author enjoys one here: http://www.sarasotaspeaks.com/node/1955 TheLogan --=20 It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this= whenever it's told. -- Buffalo Bill Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-uan8T7Zn2sG9ZsfoCtYj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE1l/L3OecGqSbkyMRAnq0AJ0WwS8PqLKH20N/5qOFnef3QtxkbwCg0qcv PPwGAYaNOnax0whpEQbTBaY= =RiGu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uan8T7Zn2sG9ZsfoCtYj-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 07:54:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77BsLmV022113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:54:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77BsLt6022112 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:54:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77BsKPA022108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:54:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77BsJ8e004654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:54:19 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Bs4DJ019611 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:54:05 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so879110nfa for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:54:03 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=dtHYsPDLA/XHG1FpdzfeUJMkoLXrny5YP0LhBq1zml2OsoLYdlHPx3FL+Rt67AqJoIOwIbR45Z8kA3NLXqHsqg9piTvrtR9iYD+Wq/IU4L1DS96Tot7NSnspmPg3G1oTLJ/Ivk/+El6coSctQg0JGfrU/PkonV73FCOIbvdoT4Y= Received: by 10.78.193.19 with SMTP id q19mr2346788huf; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.117.16 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 04:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:54:03 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5c5d32c86fed1dc1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/5/06, Pete S. wrote: > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html Cute, but it doesn't seem to address any of the problems of having a wide open wifi router. Wouldn't it be better to limit the bandwidth and route the unauthorized users through the Tor network? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 08:24:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77COrvo022445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:24:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77COr7P022444 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:24:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77COq9m022440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:24:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77COj4E007282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:24:49 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77CMhPN023589 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:22:44 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:22:41 -0400 Message-ID: <44D7308D.4010900@acpdata.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:22:37 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Are martians attacking my kernel? References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1154899915.31558.14.camel@cthulhu> In-Reply-To: <1154899915.31558.14.camel@cthulhu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.433, required 6, AWL -0.75, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, FS_START_ARE 0.18, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone know what this log entry is saying in English? Do I need to alert the D.O.D.? Aug 3 16:52:16 apollo12 kernel: martian source 255.255.255.255 from 255.255.255.255, on dev eth0 Aug 3 16:52:16 apollo12 kernel: ll header: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0b:b4:11:0d:59:08:00 Aug 3 16:52:17 apollo12 kernel: martian source 255.255.255.255 from 255.255.255.255, on dev eth0 Aug 3 16:52:17 apollo12 kernel: ll header: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0b:b4:11:0d:59:08:00 If I had to guess I would guess a couple of mal-informed broadcast packets? Thanks to all - ../Todd --------------------------------------------- Questions regarding computers - Todd at acpdata dot com Questions regarding home financing or HELOCS - JoAnne at PFGlends dot com. --------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 09:14:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DE9w6022844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:14:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77DE9EJ022843 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:14:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DE9Q2022839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:14:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DE907011655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:14:09 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.199]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DDnH0009773 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:13:49 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 23so720059huc for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:13:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rIXtKueVlQkdSsBI+bNqiZrxAIbXHG1kLrFx5e1ZYX39eq+RXrpS0wY7y6FgcWh0+F5OsPN1NwU3ur5RL3KPrW1CKSakNPhqcJN21d1Isyr6NXmQckvx6P6t9pJiuPZjD9NOOHeWVKdQ6ao3Skzaoc2h4wzhqT79K25c1FcxiJ8= Received: by 10.78.180.18 with SMTP id c18mr2390921huf; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:13:47 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.978, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > On 8/5/06, Pete S. wrote: > > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html > > Cute, but it doesn't seem to address any of the problems of having a > wide open wifi router. Wouldn't it be better to limit the bandwidth > and route the unauthorized users through the Tor network? > How long do you think they will continue to try to use it if the only place they can get to is kittenwar.com? And if you add the inverted web pages and blurry pages, they will get the message real fast. Besides messing with people's minds is a lot more fun than just blocking the access, sure would like to have a video/audio feed from the neighbor's computer to where I could watch and hear the responses.... B-d. I bet more than one has called some help desk.... B=] -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 09:17:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DHdL0022936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77DHdXq022935 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DHcXQ022931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DHctC012073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:38 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.198]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DHOpv023238 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:24 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so593491hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=amMsxaEdOgnE356FcUHoM/oVZVFHKGEN5/n+NidZ6HqWgVx9kWHaKldYO+uKDUrH6ld9vzsDO+ThQhcUMHAetPNCLbaHqUMoa+tEJ/pH0b+KilJHBdauE6bkN3o8sY2bDmHgYPDTjUjGiw9rHniSoUajFjX85hkeRgokIf40/Eo= Received: by 10.78.147.3 with SMTP id u3mr2371437hud; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:23 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.807, required 6, AWL 0.21, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic card is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the wireless stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless params for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, but it was like that with 10.0 too. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 09:57:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DvXah023203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:57:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77DvXvJ023202 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:57:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DvWxk023198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:57:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DvVJi015559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:57:32 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77DvEsB013555 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:57:14 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3M009VCS2WXJW5@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:56:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:56:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.862, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.14, BAYES_60 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/7/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: >> On 8/5/06, Pete S. wrote: >> > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html >> >> Cute, but it doesn't seem to address any of the problems of having a >> wide open wifi router. Wouldn't it be better to limit the bandwidth >> and route the unauthorized users through the Tor network? >> > How long do you think they will continue to try to use it if the only place > they > can get to is kittenwar.com? And if you add the inverted web pages and > blurry pages, they will get the message real fast. Besides messing with > people's minds is a lot more fun than just blocking the access, sure would > like to have a video/audio feed from the neighbor's computer to where I could > watch and hear the responses.... B-d. I bet more than one has called some > help desk.... B=] More fun than those blatant actions would be to slowly degrade performance, by inserting a delay on every GET, or limiting the bandwidth, or randomly 404ing requests (or 404ing all requests of a given type), or doing non-obvious things like refusing all cookies, or stripping all JS, or removing the referer, or changing the client software. You could make it worse over a period of days. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:12:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ECikc023362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:12:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77ECiu8023361 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:12:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ECiAn023357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:12:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ECijE016967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:12:44 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ECWqP031088 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:12:32 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GA5qJ-0004OL-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:12:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Are martians attacking my kernel? From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <44D7308D.4010900@acpdata.com> References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1154899915.31558.14.camel@cthulhu> <44D7308D.4010900@acpdata.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:10:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1154959846.7291.49.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.511, required 6, AWL -1.34, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm guessing, but I think that the ff:ff:... is IPv6 internet addresses. Not sure about the rest. Russell On Mon, 2006-08-07 at 08:22 -0400, Todd wrote: > Does anyone know what this log entry is saying in English? Do I need to alert the D.O.D.? > > Aug 3 16:52:16 apollo12 kernel: martian source 255.255.255.255 from 255.255.255.255, on dev eth0 > Aug 3 16:52:16 apollo12 kernel: ll header: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0b:b4:11:0d:59:08:00 > Aug 3 16:52:17 apollo12 kernel: martian source 255.255.255.255 from 255.255.255.255, on dev eth0 > Aug 3 16:52:17 apollo12 kernel: ll header: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:0b:b4:11:0d:59:08:00 > > If I had to guess I would guess a couple of mal-informed broadcast packets? > > Thanks to all - > > ../Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > Questions regarding computers > - Todd at acpdata dot com > > Questions regarding home financing or HELOCS > - JoAnne at PFGlends dot com. > --------------------------------------------- > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:25:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EPh6q023522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77EPhj3023521 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EPhAN023517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EPgSj017938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EPWIs017721 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:25:33 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3M009DWTE4XGP3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:25:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-reply-to: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.501, required 6, AWL 0.18, BAYES_50 0.00, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was > assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic card > is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > wireless > stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > params > for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is > more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > but it was like that with 10.0 too. Is the "wlan" one running an older kernel? I looked in the source for 2.6.1[35].1 and found no uses of the string "wlan" but found 7 references to the string "eth" each. I think that sort of thing is controlled by the kernel. If you're running one specific to your distribution, who knows how they've modified it. What I did was eben@pc:~$ uname -r 2.6.13.1 eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c:__setup("eth", eth_setup); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c: .name = "eth", /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/xtensa/platform-iss/network.c:__setup("eth", iss_net_setup); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/Space.c: unsigned long base_addr = netdev_boot_base("eth", unit); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/sunhme.c: if (!strncmp(dev->name, "eth", 3)) { /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.c: if (!(q = strstr(p+strlen(dev->name), "eth"))) q = p + strlen(p); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/net/irda/irlan/irlan_common.c:static int eth; /* Use "eth" or "irlan" name for devices */ If you see anything additional (except maybe "rcX") in the "uname"'s output, you have a modified kernel. Your kernel source (if installed) may be elsewhere. -- "The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'" -- Rich Jeni ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:29:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ETEvt023554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:29:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77ETEwG023553 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:29:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ETDsr023549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:29:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ETDuF018137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:29:13 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ESuCr019854 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:28:57 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1198815pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=s6WEG10TWPlmjG7ia7gUuOmkR0Lq8VmN+o7aSYhsZI6G0befi6QxGN7GoGVjQ6gmNKimEesUvX8p3Y55Neq/ydadiKacwi8w+1EEKfXUF4hZ8dyAunQ/80F0XKu9TFxjk15qQ0wjOhZlVED5DCp8GUhK65nFZjkeCHqpHNO5iRo= Received: by 10.35.49.4 with SMTP id b4mr12325976pyk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608070728j5c72085crba2ad773374cd0ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:28:46 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? In-Reply-To: <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.726, required 6, AWL -1.33, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually, if you already have the vob, you shouldn't need to rerun dvdauthor (completely). Try: mkdir -p dvdfs/VIDEO_TS dvdfs/AUDIO_TS mv mymovie.vob dvdfs/VIDEO_TS dvdauthor -T -o dvdfs (should be near-instant) growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/ I'm not sure why growisofs would complain - I've burned images larger than 4.2G with it before... -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:35:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EZQZB023601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:35:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77EZPkD023600 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:35:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EZPsg023596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:35:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EZP2i018647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:35:25 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.209]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EZ65H001428 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:35:06 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.49]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:35:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:35:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:35:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:35:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 14:35:05.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACB087B0:01C6BA2E] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.842, required 6, AWL -2.23, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----Original Message Follows---- From: Eben King Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:25:17 -0400 (EDT) On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic >card >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the >wireless >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless >params >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, >but it was like that with 10.0 too. Is the "wlan" one running an older kernel? I looked in the source for 2.6.1[35].1 and found no uses of the string "wlan" but found 7 references to the string "eth" each. I think that sort of thing is controlled by the kernel. If you're running one specific to your distribution, who knows how they've modified it. What I did was eben@pc:~$ uname -r 2.6.13.1 eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c:__setup("eth", eth_setup); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c: .name = "eth", /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/xtensa/platform-iss/network.c:__setup("eth", iss_net_setup); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/Space.c: unsigned long base_addr = netdev_boot_base("eth", unit); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/sunhme.c: if (!strncmp(dev->name, "eth", 3)) { /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.c: if (!(q = strstr(p+strlen(dev->name), "eth"))) q = p + strlen(p); /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/net/irda/irlan/irlan_common.c:static int eth; /* Use "eth" or "irlan" name for devices */ If you see anything additional (except maybe "rcX") in the "uname"'s output, you have a modified kernel. Your kernel source (if installed) may be elsewhere. -- "The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'" -- Rich Jeni I am running a 2.6.16.20 kernel and my wireless NIC is designated as wlan0. I have seen some systems where it misdesignates it as an eth. It's usually solved by recompiling the kernel with the proper wireless support and making certain that you have the proper wireless tools installed. Beyond that, I'm not 100% sure what else could cause it. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:38:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EcqrW023638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:38:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Ecqft023637 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ecqj9023633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ecpi5018931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ecb83027980 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:38:37 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so154846nzi for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lD5fewWDYJp9UopaHkCIOIm3806rH8DC4fB4yavLsbeGnT1kr+Th3I+DYB2gWaQVOryHzNS/hwR+/Q+JLIlGSB+XxstCKVEmoJY4j7E63HbDUo26lJ7Ygn1CI1Pp7pqcgevrlw9vyJCcJxoT70RyHRo1GYvlUTWfsGyGRZFzmz4= Received: by 10.35.114.16 with SMTP id r16mr12326420pym; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:38:34 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.596, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.60, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Why not just lower the priority for unauthorized requests? Is it really killing you to share your extra bandwidth? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:57:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ev3b0023773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Ev3Cb023772 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ev3qB023768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ev2ff020386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:03 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.193]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Euakx030418 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:56:37 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so610864hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GecGzDRwqFwvQ96vAt6gOuY0xugIg9o8u4VT9wmGa8N6TqHug/dTv+RNZWsCHEhj7xejd2nozvP4XBBSSH8GFRBkbbkeFfVmg69bn9UqBzTbn1iTWnARyJsHAaZChgvUJ+9PAvbd2AroyWpccLO/kFc2T0NI4O/SD43+FnUfxTk= Received: by 10.78.147.3 with SMTP id u3mr2418318hud; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:56:35 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.545, required 6, AWL -0.06, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was > > assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > > a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic card > > is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > > device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > > ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > > wireless > > stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > > params > > for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is > > more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > > why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > > but it was like that with 10.0 too. > > Is the "wlan" one running an older kernel? I looked in the source for > 2.6.1[35].1 and found no uses of the string "wlan" but found 7 references to > the string "eth" each. I think that sort of thing is controlled by the > kernel. If you're running one specific to your distribution, who knows how > they've modified it. What I did was > > eben@pc:~$ uname -r > 2.6.13.1 > eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' > eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c:__setup("eth", eth_setup); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c: .name = "eth", > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/xtensa/platform-iss/network.c:__setup("eth", iss_net_setup); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/Space.c: unsigned long base_addr = netdev_boot_base("eth", unit); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/sunhme.c: if (!strncmp(dev->name, "eth", 3)) { > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.c: if (!(q = strstr(p+strlen(dev->name), "eth"))) q = p + strlen(p); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/net/irda/irlan/irlan_common.c:static int eth; /* Use "eth" or "irlan" name for devices */ > > If you see anything additional (except maybe "rcX") in the "uname"'s output, > you have a modified kernel. > > Your kernel source (if installed) may be elsewhere. > I am running SuSE 10.1 but it was 10.0 prior to the upgrade, and it was using eth1 for the wlan port under 10.0, so I am not sure if it just inherirted the nomeclature when I did the upgrade or what. The 10.0 was I think a 2.6.13 kernel, the 10.1. is a 2.6.16 kernel. Here is what I got when I did your instructions... I think that the source if installed is elsewhere. I will look but here is what I got RF-mobile:/ # uname -r 2.6.16.13-4-default RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory RF-mobile:/ # -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:57:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EvHtX023786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77EvHh3023785 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EvGh9023781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EvGJV020425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:16 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ev44S004443 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:57:04 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3M00MI7UUR07Q6@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:56:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:56:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.583, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.16, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: > Why not just lower the priority for unauthorized requests? Is it > really killing you to share your extra bandwidth? The problem with unauthorized access isn't the bandwidth use, it's what might be done with the bandwidth -- spamming or worse. In any case, the owner is in violation of his TOS for subletting (if that's the right word) the connection, and the ISP would be completely justified in cutting him off. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Two atoms are walking along. Suddenly, one stops. The other says, "What's wrong?" "I've lost an electron." "Are you sure?" "I'm positive!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:58:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EwXbo023802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:58:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77EwX53023801 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:58:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EwXWb023797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:58:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EwXeN020524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:58:33 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.197]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77EwBfK030659 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:58:11 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so611128hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:58:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NfOQYsG1atFCdtsoaPiEuhHoS4/xEo+MSxXWfTqu8of+VyyKNrrTm9u3so6WHnQMZ8wg4kl+eafQDpY4Z3Gb+vmRywA1/NxY5GQ9z+HMq5hFH1BUJgT4R7bEz7TvTn1qdbAGztTfDRoJWVBku3Lkn45io1PTzmZdim5VWfhjfKQ= Received: by 10.78.157.8 with SMTP id f8mr2425779hue; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608070758o1b95c67dj6d22bb40d55b0618@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:58:09 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.712, required 6, AWL -0.20, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Mason Mullins wrote: > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Eben King > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 > Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:25:17 -0400 (EDT) > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was > >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic > >card > >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > >wireless > >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > >params > >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is > >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > >but it was like that with 10.0 too. > > Is the "wlan" one running an older kernel? I looked in the source for > 2.6.1[35].1 and found no uses of the string "wlan" but found 7 references to > the string "eth" each. I think that sort of thing is controlled by the > kernel. If you're running one specific to your distribution, who knows how > they've modified it. What I did was > > eben@pc:~$ uname -r > 2.6.13.1 > eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep > '"wlan"' > eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c:__setup("eth", > eth_setup); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c: .name = > "eth", > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/xtensa/platform-iss/network.c:__setup("eth", > iss_net_setup); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/Space.c: unsigned long base_addr = > netdev_boot_base("eth", unit); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/sunhme.c: if > (!strncmp(dev->name, "eth", 3)) { > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.c: if (!(q = > strstr(p+strlen(dev->name), "eth"))) q = p + strlen(p); > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/net/irda/irlan/irlan_common.c:static int eth; /* > Use "eth" or "irlan" name for devices */ > > If you see anything additional (except maybe "rcX") in the "uname"'s output, > you have a modified kernel. > > Your kernel source (if installed) may be elsewhere. > > -- > "The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted > sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. > Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the > computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'" -- Rich Jeni > > > I am running a 2.6.16.20 kernel and my wireless NIC is designated as wlan0. > I have seen some systems where it misdesignates it as an eth. It's usually > solved by recompiling the kernel with the proper wireless support and making > certain that you have the proper wireless tools installed. > > Beyond that, I'm not 100% sure what else could cause it. This is what I get when I do a uname: RF-mobile:/ # uname -r 2.6.16.13-4-default -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 10:59:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ExHnT023826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:59:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77ExHHO023825 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:59:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ExGA2023821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:59:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ExGf9020574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:59:16 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.203]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ex0eq004644 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:59:00 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so611252hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VX+OE5tHxYw9cGQIWqb1pD7Xy+0beNPjSltfxxNLZK4eMg2QZohDHTAdJFcFkcLKKE+nvma/GBdSKz9+SYqeQTMC1nz8qPwK7xejryv5K6aT6BLZSN5ga7aoqNKS/BLDu6et0xQMSaqM5ouGqWHOA7iym5QVcoc1s+eGdLxydHQ= Received: by 10.78.164.13 with SMTP id m13mr2412515hue; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608070758l65a3ac2eof70e2f9fb93d05f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:58:58 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <620c90570608070758o1b95c67dj6d22bb40d55b0618@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070758o1b95c67dj6d22bb40d55b0618@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.158, required 6, AWL 0.24, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/7/06, Mason Mullins wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Eben King > > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > To: slug@nks.net > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 > > Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:25:17 -0400 (EDT) > > > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was > > >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > > >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic > > >card > > >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > > >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > > >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > > >wireless > > >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > > >params > > >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is > > >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > > >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > > >but it was like that with 10.0 too. > > > > Is the "wlan" one running an older kernel? I looked in the source for > > 2.6.1[35].1 and found no uses of the string "wlan" but found 7 references to > > the string "eth" each. I think that sort of thing is controlled by the > > kernel. If you're running one specific to your distribution, who knows how > > they've modified it. What I did was > > > > eben@pc:~$ uname -r > > 2.6.13.1 > > eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep > > '"wlan"' > > eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' > > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c:__setup("eth", > > eth_setup); > > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c: .name = > > "eth", > > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/xtensa/platform-iss/network.c:__setup("eth", > > iss_net_setup); > > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/Space.c: unsigned long base_addr = > > netdev_boot_base("eth", unit); > > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/sunhme.c: if > > (!strncmp(dev->name, "eth", 3)) { > > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.c: if (!(q = > > strstr(p+strlen(dev->name), "eth"))) q = p + strlen(p); > > /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/net/irda/irlan/irlan_common.c:static int eth; /* > > Use "eth" or "irlan" name for devices */ > > > > If you see anything additional (except maybe "rcX") in the "uname"'s output, > > you have a modified kernel. > > > > Your kernel source (if installed) may be elsewhere. > > > > -- > > "The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted > > sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. > > Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the > > computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'" -- Rich Jeni > > > > > > I am running a 2.6.16.20 kernel and my wireless NIC is designated as wlan0. > > I have seen some systems where it misdesignates it as an eth. It's usually > > solved by recompiling the kernel with the proper wireless support and making > > certain that you have the proper wireless tools installed. > > > > Beyond that, I'm not 100% sure what else could cause it. > > This is what I get when I do a uname: > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r > 2.6.16.13-4-default What is interesting is the same OS on a desktop DID id the wlan nic as wlan0... Wonder where it messed up? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:01:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F1RYb023919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:01:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77F1RDi023918 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:01:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F1REI023914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:01:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F1RKQ020898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:01:27 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.199]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F1EGp009590 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:01:14 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so611680hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gRWXl4Z+20VZDVZTsq/4rRPgb3u4fKyD0GxBxrhRORmwERExwm9oDPGR4YidCzT+hIzQc6MVN3wKbsCYksSlhBh6zMxrI2325Sj0/ZSdlfiElg2O/g7fQeVzfGzVpQPIn+SioQOY6fHR9QY30qtsyE+FQMOM/DbPRNjkWeADyZU= Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr2427756huc; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608070801u668ef7ccqdd9dc964761bbe65@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:01:12 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.601, required 6, AWL -5.07, BAD_WORD_p0rn 1.00, BAYES_50 0.00, DISGUISE_PORN_MUNDANE 2.30, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, MANGLED_PORN 1.00, SARE_ADLTOBFU 1.67, SARE_OBFUPORNO 2.50) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Levi Bard wrote: > Why not just lower the priority for unauthorized requests? Is it > really killing you to share your extra bandwidth? > Depends on what your neighbor is doing, if you are using VoIP and he/she is pulling down a heavy p0rn video causing your VoIP connection to get high delays, then that sharing could be a issue. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:04:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F42vq023945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:04:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77F42Kg023944 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:04:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F41nC023937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:04:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F40Tk021062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:04:01 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77F3RDL029924 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:27 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k77F3PgE027406 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GA6dZ-0003sy-9M for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:03:25 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <58768.216.134.200.78.1154963005.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.135, required 6, AWL -0.67, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was > assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic card > is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > wireless > stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > params > for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is > more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > but it was like that with 10.0 too. Last I looked it depended entirely on the driver being used. hostap liked to use wlanX whereas ndiswrapper prefers ethX for example. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:16:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FGKWZ024102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:16:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77FGKOf024101 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:16:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FGKlt024097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:16:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FGJU1021976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:16:20 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FFxLU015704 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:15:59 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1213720pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:15:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bUDe4a/jeQuXI/0zNQUfjjQ3qxrOHF3PgESZ6fl++A+VkaUYFu5xL068/r91eA0BK91uLXh3mK47QUDGj7d9v8FInkep+kf1RiUqzSjFKo7HHSHJWAxsNALRkUanY/SRjE9NDVLEKbjQjk3uUa43Ea68HyM+ncdDGGqovViqtrM= Received: by 10.35.97.17 with SMTP id z17mr12360746pyl; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608070815v13827adajf91c10f80acf0fe6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:15:58 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <620c90570608070801u668ef7ccqdd9dc964761bbe65@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070801u668ef7ccqdd9dc964761bbe65@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.986, required 6, AWL -5.68, BAD_WORD_p0rn 1.00, BAYES_50 0.00, DISGUISE_PORN_MUNDANE 2.30, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60, MANGLED_PORN 1.00, SARE_ADLTOBFU 1.67, SARE_OBFUPORNO 2.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Why not just lower the priority for unauthorized requests? Is it > > really killing you to share your extra bandwidth? > > Depends on what your neighbor is doing, if you are using VoIP and he/she > is pulling down a heavy p0rn video causing your VoIP connection to get > high delays, then that sharing could be a issue. That's the point of deprioritizing. Your VoIP connection gets full priority; the pr0n download gets minimal priority, thus not interrupting your session. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:18:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FI8gk024133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:18:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77FI8oQ024132 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:18:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FI8Di024128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:18:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FI89v022100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:18:08 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.174]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FHnOE011923 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:17:49 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.31]) by bay0-omc2-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:17:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:17:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:17:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <58768.216.134.200.78.1154963005.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:17:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 15:17:48.0377 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4463C90:01C6BA34] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.802, required 6, AWL -1.95, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jason Boxman" Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Chuck Hast wrote: > I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was > assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic card > is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > wireless > stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > params > for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is > more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > but it was like that with 10.0 too. Last I looked it depended entirely on the driver being used. hostap liked to use wlanX whereas ndiswrapper prefers ethX for example. I don't think ndiswrapper is the problem. I use it and mine is wlan0 and has been on every NIC I've used, both internal and pcmcia. That brings up a point. Is this a pcmcia card? If so, I'd take a look at the pcmcia config file to ensure it's properly defined as I have seen that cause some weird problems like that. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:22:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMlIN024182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77FMl32024181 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMkSL024177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMkfg022422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:46 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMTSQ025945 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:30 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3M00G7PW0DHZM3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:21:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-reply-to: <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.192, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.19, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: >> >> eben@pc:~$ uname -r >> 2.6.13.1 >> eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' >> eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c:__setup("eth", eth_setup); >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c: .name = "eth", >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/xtensa/platform-iss/network.c:__setup("eth", iss_net_setup); >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/Space.c: unsigned long base_addr = netdev_boot_base("eth", unit); >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/sunhme.c: if (!strncmp(dev->name, "eth", 3)) { >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.c: if (!(q = strstr(p+strlen(dev->name), "eth"))) q = p + strlen(p); >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/net/irda/irlan/irlan_common.c:static int eth; /* Use "eth" or "irlan" name for devices */ >> >> If you see anything additional (except maybe "rcX") in the "uname"'s >> output, you have a modified kernel. >> >> Your kernel source (if installed) may be elsewhere. > > I am running SuSE 10.1 but it was 10.0 prior to the upgrade, and it was > using eth1 for the wlan port under 10.0, so I am not sure if it just > inherirted the nomeclature when I did the upgrade or what. The 10.0 was I > think a 2.6.13 kernel, the 10.1. is a 2.6.16 kernel. > > Here is what I got when I did your instructions... I think that the source > if installed is elsewhere. I will look but here is what I got > > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r > 2.6.16.13-4-default OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel. If you didn't configure and compile your kernel, someone else did. The only other person (presumably) is your distro maintainer. > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default , so find can't look there. What type of NICs are they? Are they using the kernel drivers, or something like ndiswrapper? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Two atoms are walking along. Suddenly, one stops. The other says, "What's wrong?" "I've lost an electron." "Are you sure?" "I'm positive!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:22:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMv9v024194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77FMvdd024193 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMvOE024189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMucJ022431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:57 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FMZBC016824 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:22:35 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1215897pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:22:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VQCTTnEdij6lW6E/5BFLOQZZEHhhRHcJQ0g3r2YJkzEZ6r3Qjz+zDNAykJpShlywwAH5op5bix7jW2fHE4yd/T3JkGVaivzQpyig8qD0MGPF6DxjgAWAjFm7osecfHQRzGxelbMCTdlUR0pMmHNvU1qnX3DMyxFAALCFvJM1DZg= Received: by 10.35.51.19 with SMTP id d19mr12424014pyk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608070822j341bcbbawd12f689350feedf7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:22:33 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.118, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.12) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > The problem with unauthorized access isn't the bandwidth use, it's what > might be done with the bandwidth -- spamming or worse. In any case, the > owner is in violation of his TOS for subletting (if that's the right word) > the connection, and the ISP would be completely justified in cutting him > off. Well, it depends on your TOS, although most of the ones I've seen end with, "We reserve the right to change these TOS at will and without prior notification." Either way, a lot of TOS call it a violation to run more than one 1 machine on a connection, period (e.g. home LANs). (Not to mention running a web or mail server...) If an ISP was going to cut off service for this, they'd also have to cut off service to everybody's clueless uncle who doesn't know how to secure an AP, or cut off service to all the customers their own technicians have set up with unsecured APs. Besides, the previously mentioned hacks (redirecting to kittenwar.com, inverting and/or blurring content) are still "subletting" the connection. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:38:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Fcd8L024311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:38:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77FcdQM024310 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:38:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FcdLP024305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:38:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Fcd0i023661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:38:39 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FcKcK010912 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:38:21 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3M009XYWRWU19M@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:38:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608070822j341bcbbawd12f689350feedf7@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070822j341bcbbawd12f689350feedf7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.235, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.24, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> The problem with unauthorized access isn't the bandwidth use, it's what >> might be done with the bandwidth -- spamming or worse. In any case, the >> owner is in violation of his TOS for subletting (if that's the right >> word) the connection, and the ISP would be completely justified in >> cutting him off. > > Well, it depends on your TOS, although most of the ones I've seen end > with, "We reserve the right to change these TOS at will and without > prior notification." Either way, a lot of TOS call it a violation to > run more than one 1 machine on a connection, period (e.g. home LANs). The rr and verizon techs I met didn't have a problem with it. OTOH, many ISPs distribute wireless routers configured wide open, so... > (Not to mention running a web or mail server...) If an ISP was going > to cut off service for this, they'd also have to cut off service to > everybody's clueless uncle who doesn't know how to secure an AP, or > cut off service to all the customers their own technicians have set up > with unsecured APs. Yes, and I fully support such action, with appropriate warning. > Besides, the previously mentioned hacks > (redirecting to kittenwar.com, inverting and/or blurring content) are > still "subletting" the connection. Yes. Which is why all connections I have any sort of control over use at least rudimentary encryption, to keep out electronic joyriders. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? A: A purple Hayes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 11:45:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FjwLQ024385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:45:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77FjwQB024384 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Fjwr0024380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FjwBi024333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FjW0c020303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:45:33 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77FjWnN010489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:45:32 -0400 Message-ID: <44D7601C.9080209@blenke.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:45:32 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070822j341bcbbawd12f689350feedf7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608070822j341bcbbawd12f689350feedf7@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.528, required 6, AWL 0.07, BAYES_00 -2.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > Well, it depends on your TOS, although most of the ones I've seen end > with, "We reserve the right to change these TOS at will and without > prior notification." Either way, a lot of TOS call it a violation to > run more than one 1 machine on a connection, period (e.g. home LANs). > (Not to mention running a web or mail server...) If an ISP was going > to cut off service for this, they'd also have to cut off service to > everybody's clueless uncle who doesn't know how to secure an AP, or > cut off service to all the customers their own technicians have set up > with unsecured APs. Besides, the previously mentioned hacks > (redirecting to kittenwar.com, inverting and/or blurring content) are > still "subletting" the connection. Anyone familiar with USC 2252C ? IANAL, but various bloggers appear to be playing them regarding this latest crap out of congress. As such, it is apparently illegal now to redirect people to obscene content they didn't intend on receiving: http://shii.wordpress.com/2006/07/26/goatse-now-illegal-in-the-united-states/ I don't think kittenwar.com would qualify as obscene, but redirecting folks to "questionable" content appears to be illegal now. Add to that net neutrality... http://wearetheweb.org/ Goodbye Goatse.cx. Goodbye tubgirl. Goodbye Internets. The pipes, we barely knew ye. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 12:02:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77G2i5A024564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:02:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77G2ic1024563 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:02:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77G2iMG024559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:02:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77G2hMZ026287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:02:44 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-176.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.176]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77G2QsQ026632 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:02:26 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AF018D4FC for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:02:19 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:16:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070801u668ef7ccqdd9dc964761bbe65@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608070801u668ef7ccqdd9dc964761bbe65@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608071116.51046.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=5.043, required 6, AWL -5.02, BAD_WORD_p0rn 1.00, DISGUISE_PORN_MUNDANE 2.30, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, MANGLED_PORN 1.00, SARE_ADLTOBFU 1.67, SARE_OBFUPORNO 2.50, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 07 August 2006 11:01, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/7/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > Why not just lower the priority for unauthorized requests? Is it > > really killing you to share your extra bandwidth? > > Depends on what your neighbor is doing, if you are using VoIP and he/she > is pulling down a heavy p0rn video causing your VoIP connection to get > high delays, then that sharing could be a issue. Oh, it opens more issues than just being a nice guy. With someone on the inside of your firewall everything the neighbor does is a potential security liability. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 12:21:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GLtvq024753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:21:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77GLtWL024752 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:21:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GLs1J024748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:21:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GLspS027811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:21:54 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GLTsP028906 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:21:29 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1234925pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:21:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HZQD2gzcRNPJZKuGaMG9dVX6YxBnw4/TvHVXLpP60vCm1tue36xjxc1nHAGZf3ZCrdmKAlKko48QOQCfrxaZvgPXTCHuSeCyIOhlhbpX3TLT9gLqs07nzoRX+zmNbdLCqumd2YdoEXRmfAn8Nidd6tQDFk/jn739agOEkrNTmm0= Received: by 10.35.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr12547204pyj; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608070921p3c989218gd02cd5002f25b082@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:21:21 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <44D7601C.9080209@blenke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070822j341bcbbawd12f689350feedf7@mail.gmail.com> <44D7601C.9080209@blenke.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.158, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.16) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Anyone familiar with USC 2252C ? > > As such, it is apparently illegal now to redirect people to obscene > content they didn't intend on receiving: > > http://shii.wordpress.com/2006/07/26/goatse-now-illegal-in-the-united-states/ Yes! I still need to find some suitably obscene content to put into my email sig by way of protest. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 12:23:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GNM2J024774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:23:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77GNMeS024773 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:23:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GNLh5024769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:23:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GNL3O027882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:23:21 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.206]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GN92d017353 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:23:09 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so173611nzi for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:23:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eYLy1uAtV5Ay8GZAzlIUpQUqgrWfgPUXAtMc/UUscc+egJu+Y2SLD1gjZbz/aKIUxIyKERaqE9ci9DG6sL7aU3oYS4WS+u4LzlCenM75NCOIMbs4ae0YUbzKok12d2IDCRAeKN7yy5W0FfEpxQy5Gl0t1W2oz5VxX3mXYEi8VFs= Received: by 10.35.87.8 with SMTP id p8mr12559540pyl; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608070923w34b04879h29f2921d88596152@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:23:05 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <200608071116.51046.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070801u668ef7ccqdd9dc964761bbe65@mail.gmail.com> <200608071116.51046.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.189, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.08, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Oh, it opens more issues than just being a nice guy. With someone on the > inside of your firewall everything the neighbor does is a potential security > liability. Good point; I was assuming the AP was outside the firewall. OTOH, who the hell would have a firewall, but then have an unsecured AP inside it?! -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 12:39:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GdtRc024874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:39:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Gdta6024873 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:39:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GdtMG024869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:39:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GdtRT028808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:39:55 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77GdWXb027242 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:39:32 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3M00AYJZLQ98ZG@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:39:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:39:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608070923w34b04879h29f2921d88596152@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070801u668ef7ccqdd9dc964761bbe65@mail.gmail.com> <200608071116.51046.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310608070923w34b04879h29f2921d88596152@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.603, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.60, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Oh, it opens more issues than just being a nice guy. With someone on the >> inside of your firewall everything the neighbor does is a potential >> security >> liability. > > Good point; I was assuming the AP was outside the firewall. OTOH, who > the hell would have a firewall, but then have an unsecured AP inside > it?! Someone who's gotten the "firewall == GOOD" message, but has not yet learned to think, I guess. Heck, I don't see how it's any better without a firewall, except for the (demonstrably false) sense of security that a firewall engenders. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 If you need someone to blame Throw a rock in the air You'll hit someone guilty -- U2, _Zooropa_, "Dirty Day" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 13:05:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H5H6x025113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:05:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77H5Hhp025112 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:05:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H5G1P025108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:05:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H5Gc2030534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:05:16 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H4uNs030659 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:04:56 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so352502wxc for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:04:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PgHZYgBKO5gkYo6X3R2Xu1Sw10MbvmkDIdWplSZOxOsq1EIUG9HrTN1fcC0iOzfakLRmBu4vX+fjDyL552RSaPfmktyrLk7m2jZuCbR3LoH3U/6k1XIxIVdiyc9cpCAcxO4w4LTbDQxO8Fdj+9YduERaoQgbXHUaZmMgPK0GgMY= Received: by 10.78.133.10 with SMTP id g10mr2457331hud; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.117.16 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90608071004v27702b76t440b454970037fdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:04:55 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: da29e409ae1e76f2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/7/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > > On 8/5/06, Pete S. wrote: > > > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html > > > > Cute, but it doesn't seem to address any of the problems of having a > > wide open wifi router. Wouldn't it be better to limit the bandwidth > > and route the unauthorized users through the Tor network? > > > How long do you think they will continue to try to use it if the only place they > can get to is kittenwar.com? And if you add the inverted web pages and > blurry pages, they will get the message real fast. Besides messing with > people's minds is a lot more fun than just blocking the access, sure would > like to have a video/audio feed from the neighbor's computer to where I could > watch and hear the responses.... B-d. I bet more than one has called some > help desk.... B=] If all they can get to is kittenwar.com they might not continue to use it. I was more referring to the inverted webpages or blurry webpages hack. You can still do a lot of illegal things on someone else's system with inverted images, and you can still use a whole lot of bandwidth doing so. Besides, why not be friendly to your neighbors? If you have some extra bandwidth, and you're running an unencrypted wireless network anyway, why not share it? Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 13:09:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H9WrO025145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:09:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77H9WKM025144 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:09:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H9Wai025140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:09:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H9WAt030765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:09:32 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77H9IuL001427 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:09:18 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N009OB0ZAUHIF@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:09:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608070921p3c989218gd02cd5002f25b082@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070822j341bcbbawd12f689350feedf7@mail.gmail.com> <44D7601C.9080209@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608070921p3c989218gd02cd5002f25b082@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.541, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.36, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Anyone familiar with USC 2252C ? >> >> As such, it is apparently illegal now to redirect people to obscene >> content they didn't intend on receiving: >> >> http://shii.wordpress.com/2006/07/26/goatse-now-illegal-in-the-united-states/ > > Yes! I still need to find some suitably obscene content to put into > my email sig by way of protest. Well, the strangest things are considered "obscene" in some jurisdictions but not in others. Your best bet is to go for something religous, if that's your aim. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 13:17:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HHOVD025266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77HHOFb025265 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:17:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HHNc4025261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HHNdY031389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:17:23 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.239]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HHEZj023699 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:17:14 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so80944wri for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:17:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ISnRblOQxo/OkKVS2gS2gRX9ESrqEANJT5eHC+1XmOpOefjQu/gTaSVaS6ysKeIqJbYGGYew1E3Kh6RCO0XymhWl7q1O8FhRI8nArfJ5MQHXreJmhupoAVnoPtDXkPGk1RFaC+s2rBihwXnJuLzShRcH6DW+USJL1EgI6whiyO8= Received: by 10.78.134.12 with SMTP id h12mr2453637hud; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.117.16 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:17:12 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 65d6b68b3166adde X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.092, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.09, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: > > > Why not just lower the priority for unauthorized requests? Is it > > really killing you to share your extra bandwidth? > > The problem with unauthorized access isn't the bandwidth use, it's what > might be done with the bandwidth -- spamming or worse. Which is why I mentioned routing the traffic through the Tor network. > In any case, the > owner is in violation of his TOS for subletting (if that's the right word) > the connection, and the ISP would be completely justified in cutting him > off. It's only subletting if you charge for the access. Otherwise you'd be just as much in violation for letting your girlfriend or cousin use your connection as you would be for letting your neighbor use it. Besides, most TOS agreements are pretty much meant to be broken. The verizon wireless one, for instance, prohibits downloading music! Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 13:38:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hc555025431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Hc5do025430 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hc40N025423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hc4KH032581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:04 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hbvoc011635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:37:57 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HbvEv020116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:37:57 -0400 Message-ID: <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:37:56 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.181, required 6, AWL -0.82, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anthony DiPierro wrote: > It's only subletting if you charge for the access. Otherwise you'd be > just as much in violation for letting your girlfriend or cousin use > your connection as you would be for letting your neighbor use it. > > Besides, most TOS agreements are pretty much meant to be broken. The > verizon wireless one, for instance, prohibits downloading music! And if your neighbor is downloading inappropriate content, are you at fault or are you a common carrier? I doubt common carrier status would apply to supplying your neighbors with your residential broadband service. It's a very slippery slope. The true paranoid among us would probably use WPA2 and disable SSID broadcasts... ;) - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 13:38:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hc5qq025432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Hc4Oh025426 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hc4IG025421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hc4jH032578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:38:04 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Hbv1d004946 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:37:57 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N00MZ72AQ0138@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 12:37:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:37:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.412, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.41, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: >> >> In any case, the owner is in violation of his TOS for subletting (if >> that's the right word) the connection, and the ISP would be completely >> justified in cutting him off. > > It's only subletting if you charge for the access. Otherwise you'd be > just as much in violation for letting your girlfriend or cousin use > your connection as you would be for letting your neighbor use it. Regardless of its name, I'm sure any half-decent lawyer would have a field day with someone opening up a connection that he rents to whoever, for any unregulated use. > Besides, most TOS agreements are pretty much meant to be broken. The > verizon wireless one, for instance, prohibits downloading music! That too. -- A well-loved and correctly trained domestic canine is generally slobbery, excitable, noisy, scatalogically obsessed, xenophobic, pathetically unjudgmental, embarrassingly uninhibited, unreasoningly devoted, heartbreakingly dependent and wretchedly craven. - PB, AFCA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 13:51:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HptgZ025548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77HptNv025547 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HptRF025543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HptIK000917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77HpdZY006526 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:51:39 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1262040pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:51:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZLPPCOIDSFhW9+B8+mgxA1kN8e1yZBeQFU0SpSFm9nEME2Riq/Vwu//ORMDqmvXi/uiIv70eYELDbW2yrxxMwWrb1/yj9ZyTA+HqVHUdPK1WXGaPlSuvOn2Zblh4uCRXId+VLYw8nU/WiVzdAx8W5bTLLAYKNenfBnMk+AGXdOM= Received: by 10.35.38.17 with SMTP id q17mr12713848pyj; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 10:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 10:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:51:36 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.933, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.75, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > And if your neighbor is downloading inappropriate content, are you at > fault or are you a common carrier? > > I doubt common carrier status would apply to supplying your neighbors > with your residential broadband service. > > It's a very slippery slope. The true paranoid among us would probably > use WPA2 and disable SSID broadcasts... How do places like coffee shops deal with this issue? I'd rather be neighbor-friendly and risk having to defend myself in case of an extremely unlikely occurrence than to maximally lock everything down and monitor everything in a paranoid fashion. Come on, people, Free Software is all about sharing with your neighbor! -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 14:12:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77IClZW025743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:12:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77IClaA025742 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:12:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ICkxs025738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:12:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77ICklj002105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:12:46 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77IBv09030780 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:12:01 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N0073K3VSH7AN@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:11:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:11:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.4, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.40, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> And if your neighbor is downloading inappropriate content, are you at >> fault or are you a common carrier? >> >> I doubt common carrier status would apply to supplying your neighbors >> with your residential broadband service. >> >> It's a very slippery slope. The true paranoid among us would probably >> use WPA2 and disable SSID broadcasts... > > How do places like coffee shops deal with this issue? > > I'd rather be neighbor-friendly and risk having to defend myself in > case of an extremely unlikely occurrence than to maximally lock > everything down and monitor everything in a paranoid fashion. Those are the extreme positions, sure. But you don't have to be paranoid to protect yourself; AFAIK if you take "reasonable" precautions (and "reasonable" may be defined by the DA), you're clear. Just like if someone commits a crime with your handgun, but first he had to sneak into your closet to get it, undo the trigger lock, and load it, that's a lot better than if it were on your sofa, unlocked, and loaded. > Come on, people, Free Software is all about sharing with your neighbor! Yeah, "Free" as in speech, not "Free" as in beer. Get to it, but not through the connection I pay for. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 14:25:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77IPH9H025915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:25:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77IPHu4025914 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:25:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77IPHO9025910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:25:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77IPGxG002897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:25:17 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77IOtsV017863 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:24:56 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1271946pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X6iMm/lj+qBFZLUPjChjUWefNeAyiZUANxexFCANikefa18f8Z7RnSr3DrVziqFe7LNHfKLQmEAHZ3OTLEUYOywZ9z4TUOVtnNPLNUwF9PWT8G7F7YWD4GzlbECYvZ7HFd1DkxZjFPoXiChi7olK8h3fjXGBdaa9BqryzVwxmTQ= Received: by 10.35.51.13 with SMTP id d13mr12772678pyk; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:24:47 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.002, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Those are the extreme positions, sure. But you don't have to be paranoid to > protect yourself; AFAIK if you take "reasonable" precautions (and > "reasonable" may be defined by the DA), you're clear. Just like if someone > commits a crime with your handgun, but first he had to sneak into your > closet to get it, undo the trigger lock, and load it, that's a lot better > than if it were on your sofa, unlocked, and loaded. You're equating internet access to a loaded handgun? > > Come on, people, Free Software is all about sharing with your neighbor! > > Yeah, "Free" as in speech, not "Free" as in beer. Get to it, but not > through the connection I pay for. Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? Do you put heavy curtains over your windows so that passersby can't get the benefit of the light you paid for? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 14:44:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ii8Af026047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:44:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Ii8wO026046 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:44:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ii8NM026042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:44:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ii7IU004549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77IhpOT020255 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:43:51 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N00A6F5CQ974H@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:43:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.329, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Those are the extreme positions, sure. But you don't have to be paranoid >> to protect yourself; AFAIK if you take "reasonable" precautions (and >> "reasonable" may be defined by the DA), you're clear. Just like if >> someone commits a crime with your handgun, but first he had to sneak into >> your closet to get it, undo the trigger lock, and load it, that's a lot >> better than if it were on your sofa, unlocked, and loaded. > > You're equating internet access to a loaded handgun? Well, they're not nearly the same thing, but it's the only analog I could come up with on short notice, where you could take Reasonable and Prudent(tm) precautions to prevent use of your stuff, while not stopping a determined miscreant. An "attractive nuisance" might work too, but that usually results in an injury. >> > Come on, people, Free Software is all about sharing with your neighbor! >> >> Yeah, "Free" as in speech, not "Free" as in beer. Get to it, but not >> through the connection I pay for. > > Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? Somebody would have to come to my house to steal the water, and I'd see that. I'd also see a hose running from here, and hear running water. Not so with wireless access. > Do you put heavy curtains over your windows so that passersby can't get > the benefit of the light you paid for? That would also deny me the benefit of the sunlight. And it would play merry hell with allergies. And, locking down an AP is free; curtains and curtainrods aren't. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 SCORPIO: Get ready for an unexpected trip when you fall screaming from an open window. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 15:56:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ju8d2026612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:56:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Ju8sp026611 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:56:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ju36x026607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:56:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ju3N5009488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:56:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77JtnD4023293 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:55:49 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k77Jtl6E025915 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GABCV-0001Zd-Er for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:55:47 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.034, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? If someone were abusing yours such that you couldn't use your own water legitimately, would you not consider such action? I think the light's a better example. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 16:11:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBX4a026790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77KBX9O026789 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBXnq026785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBWC8010272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:32 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-176.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.176]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBNmK032118 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:23 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58AF10F64A for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 12:55:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <200608071116.51046.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310608070923w34b04879h29f2921d88596152@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608070923w34b04879h29f2921d88596152@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608071255.40461.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.891, required 6, AWL -0.59, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 07 August 2006 12:23, Levi Bard wrote: > > Oh, it opens more issues than just being a nice guy. With someone on the > > inside of your firewall everything the neighbor does is a potential > > security liability. > > Good point; I was assuming the AP was outside the firewall. OTOH, who > the hell would have a firewall, but then have an unsecured AP inside > it?! (Hehe, that is funny!) I must admit I've not followed wifi security lately. Too many versions with not a single safe method has kept me from leaving copper. These days I'm not up to date as I cannot put the time in the way I had to before. But there was not a single version which had not been hacked, or proved hard enough, for me to earnestly recommend, or use. No doubt all but a few installations even use security in any real way. All but 99.8% are ignorant and could not tell a hole or closed door apart. What's of course not helping is the very technical nature of how hacking is actually done. Not to get too deep, but only a few handfulls of people have had any appreciation of the unconventional methods used by crackers. A perfect example is stateful inspection. No manufacturers, which has to count on the educated side, expected the onslaught of "non standard" communication methods used in breaking through the IP filtering firewall. So in the end I just smile when I see abused wifi. It's no surprise to me. I must say it must been priceless to sit with the neighboors as they were getting the upside down graphics etc. Just watching them must have been out of this world! -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 16:11:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBlwK026803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77KBlwq026802 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBkHK026798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBk1g010281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:46 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-118.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.118]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KBWuO018423 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:32 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-157-185.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.157.185]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72E810F70F for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:11:22 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:00:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <44D7601C.9080209@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608070921p3c989218gd02cd5002f25b082@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608070921p3c989218gd02cd5002f25b082@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608071300.00983.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.092, required 6, AWL -1.39, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 07 August 2006 12:21, Levi Bard wrote: > > Anyone familiar with USC 2252C ? > > > > As such, it is apparently illegal now to redirect people to obscene > > content they didn't intend on receiving: > > > > http://shii.wordpress.com/2006/07/26/goatse-now-illegal-in-the-united-sta > >tes/ > > Yes! I still need to find some suitably obscene content to put into > my email sig by way of protest. Only that their intended "audience" are to stop porn and the like from being presented as anything but what it is. It's like your surprise when you go to whitehouse.com instead of .gov. That one I blame on whoever that did not redirect .com and .net to .gov as the real culprit. (But that was back in the days when people respected the intended use of those top level domains.) -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 16:29:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KTS3f026991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77KTSpO026990 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KTRce026986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KTRj6011183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:27 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KTGuF020191 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:29:16 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1308007pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lubsoXr9ykBlTUsAh13/Biu3inZ9TzK/wKMvbzVoEvGMw+YS0FCqtMH2rBoBzDCdiufUVaYVo6y2vNyXA5ivvsSd1DFdDzmEy1tW93jkP3RYNvaNMr2xtYfelVWgTYGKnGuXUzz40d9uH61gQK10zJ5GSaAbmhhyb2vQu/e4Xwg= Received: by 10.35.9.15 with SMTP id m15mr12983676pyi; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:29:11 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.762, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.76, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > > Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? > > > If someone were abusing yours such that you couldn't use your own water > legitimately, would you not consider such action? > > I think the light's a better example. Sure, if somebody was abusing my water supply, I'd get onto them and/or take action. But if I paid a flat rate for water every month, I wouldn't really care if the neighborhood kids used it to fill water balloons or whatever. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 16:44:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KiZYg027099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:44:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77KiZH3027098 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:44:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KiYKB027094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:44:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KiYNb011887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:44:34 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KiLCM003264 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:44:21 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N00C9XAXWPY26@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:44:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:44:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.305, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.30) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> >> > Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? >> >> >> If someone were abusing yours such that you couldn't use your own water >> legitimately, would you not consider such action? >> >> I think the light's a better example. > > Sure, if somebody was abusing my water supply, I'd get onto them > and/or take action. But if I paid a flat rate for water every month, > I wouldn't really care if the neighborhood kids used it to fill water > balloons or whatever. But if those water balloons were being used to bombard someone and you'd be liable for it, you might take more of an interest in where your water goes. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 16:50:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ko5UC027159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:50:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Ko5d3027158 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:50:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ko5DJ027154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:50:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ko4fd012097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:50:05 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.83]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77KnkD0003791 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:49:46 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.21]) by bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:49:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:49:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:49:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.154.232] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:49:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2006 20:49:45.0292 (UTC) FILETIME=[03AE48C0:01C6BA63] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.752, required 6, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Levi Bard" Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:29:11 -0500 > > > Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? > > >If someone were abusing yours such that you couldn't use your own water >legitimately, would you not consider such action? > >I think the light's a better example. Sure, if somebody was abusing my water supply, I'd get onto them and/or take action. But if I paid a flat rate for water every month, I wouldn't really care if the neighborhood kids used it to fill water balloons or whatever. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html Well, I have to admit that when I'm on the road (trucker) and I'm not at a hotspot (many truckstops have them now), I have been known to use whatever unsecured wireless router I can connect with. It's usually a nearby hotel, but sometimes it's a home router. I don't abuse it and do huge downloads or anything, just get online to check my email. It's not like I'm seriously hogging their bandwidth or running up a big bill for them or anything. No harm no foul. Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 17:03:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77L3mW4027311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:03:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77L3mt4027310 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:03:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77L3m3r027306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:03:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77L3m0k012730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:03:48 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77L3SIR020384 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:03:28 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1318164pyb for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k7t/FNXeA5t0tNwuyBk7OrqS+Def3o44HHddaoSehTEEa//CI6i9k1SvNn7tFrmBJKnzRnOH6KW8kKawl0hAZYOiSOe8/RNjTWZzm43c9D6u06WQbdFxmLoN8ecuxYAN7mj2AGW8wkf9nF0K6YHFcvV43BPbrScJDugTQviJmNM= Received: by 10.35.100.6 with SMTP id c6mr13034251pym; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:03:23 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.631, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.63, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > But if those water balloons were being used to bombard someone and you'd be > liable for it, you might take more of an interest in where your water goes. Or I might refuse to be intimidated by this culture of fear we have going. If I saw that the kids were using the balloons to do something unequivocally bad, I'd do something about it, just like I'd do something if I happened to notice someone using my connection to try to brute-force a server. But these are, and should be treated as, exceptions instead of the rule. I hate how people have become so afraid of personal consequences that they're afraid of helping or being nice to anybody else. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 17:10:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77LA4pL027356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:10:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77LA4EQ027355 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:10:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77LA3Wk027351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:10:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77LA3Yo012918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:10:03 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77L9lxH013002 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:09:47 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N0084CC461XS1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:09:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.328, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.33, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Mason Mullins wrote: >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Levi Bard" >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: slug@nks.net >> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. >> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:29:11 -0500 >> >>> >>> > Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? >>> >>> >>> If someone were abusing yours such that you couldn't use your own water >>> legitimately, would you not consider such action? >>> >>> I think the light's a better example. >> >> Sure, if somebody was abusing my water supply, I'd get onto them >> and/or take action. But if I paid a flat rate for water every month, >> I wouldn't really care if the neighborhood kids used it to fill water >> balloons or whatever. > > Well, I have to admit that when I'm on the road (trucker) and I'm not at a > hotspot (many truckstops have them now), I have been known to use whatever > unsecured wireless router I can connect with. It's usually a nearby > hotel, but sometimes it's a home router. > > I don't abuse it and do huge downloads or anything, just get online to > check my email. It's not like I'm seriously hogging their bandwidth or > running up a big bill for them or anything. No harm no foul. Not everybody's as benevolent as you. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 If you need someone to blame Throw a rock in the air You'll hit someone guilty -- U2, _Zooropa_, "Dirty Day" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 17:46:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77LkQ7o027665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77LkQUh027664 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77LkQu1027660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77LkP5Q014915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:25 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.197]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77LkBAZ016621 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:11 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so677785hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WQD3Bg755XnihcBbR/ApXWN2B/ZbhJwR/fv7t+M5q/6m3DEDNMFZAErgjbUbGFvUJhijXNNGOGNfZCSz2TK4Wp1DZBo12YEbFUhGHhubipLvFMT7H345hMPdwAXIOiW8guQ+mO2Xv1UDuNWq1QyEQbsspKxE2sNXFfiaRrycA4o= Received: by 10.78.134.12 with SMTP id h12mr2536603hud; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 14:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 14:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:46:10 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.983, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > >> > >> eben@pc:~$ uname -r > >> 2.6.13.1 > >> eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' > >> eben@pc:~$ find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"eth"' > >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c:__setup("eth", eth_setup); > >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/um/drivers/net_kern.c: .name = "eth", > >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/arch/xtensa/platform-iss/network.c:__setup("eth", iss_net_setup); > >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/Space.c: unsigned long base_addr = netdev_boot_base("eth", unit); > >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/sunhme.c: if (!strncmp(dev->name, "eth", 3)) { > >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.c: if (!(q = strstr(p+strlen(dev->name), "eth"))) q = p + strlen(p); > >> /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/net/irda/irlan/irlan_common.c:static int eth; /* Use "eth" or "irlan" name for devices */ > >> > >> If you see anything additional (except maybe "rcX") in the "uname"'s > >> output, you have a modified kernel. > >> > >> Your kernel source (if installed) may be elsewhere. > > > > I am running SuSE 10.1 but it was 10.0 prior to the upgrade, and it was > > using eth1 for the wlan port under 10.0, so I am not sure if it just > > inherirted the nomeclature when I did the upgrade or what. The 10.0 was I > > think a 2.6.13 kernel, the 10.1. is a 2.6.16 kernel. > > > > Here is what I got when I did your instructions... I think that the source > > if installed is elsewhere. I will look but here is what I got > > > > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r > > 2.6.16.13-4-default > > OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel. If you didn't configure and > compile your kernel, someone else did. The only other person (presumably) > is your distro maintainer. > > > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' > > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory > > The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default , > so find can't look there. > > What type of NICs are they? Are they using the kernel drivers, or something > like ndiswrapper? This is the funny part, the laptop (ibm T42) has drivers for the internal wifi card, and they load up just fine, it is the one that calls the wifi nic eth1 vice wlan something. My desktop which uses a PCI wireless card with the broad- com chips uses ndiswrapper, that one comes up as wlan0... The ibm uses a intel chipset. I guess I could install the kernel source, I am sure it is on the DVD somewhere. Just seems strange that on one machine the wireless piece is a eth device and on another one using the same OS it is a wlan device... Perhaps I am just picking nits here but it just does not look right... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 18:59:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77MxN9n028234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:59:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77MxNIh028233 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:59:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77MxNZu028229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:59:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77MxMSt019469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:59:23 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.195]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77MxC0C017857 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:59:12 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so685948hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:59:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Uj6ViBylJQG4FOypJBUip15JX756u/7lYIvLk8SS8du8nZ56HTb7Panlu2UBvv3hnrANEBKFazOGj7aMu+EzZzPas8pL4uovodvNSE2M0minnGHaL1dhu7higDcXdQAjuqdfcgEkFthPnrHvn3GFuoDKOJG3XI/9onBKJfiRonY= Received: by 10.78.118.19 with SMTP id q19mr2552743huc; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608071559q736fbafxd2217ee53295bd13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:59:10 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90608071004v27702b76t440b454970037fdb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071004v27702b76t440b454970037fdb@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.313, required 6, AWL 0.71, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > On 8/7/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/7/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > > > On 8/5/06, Pete S. wrote: > > > > http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html > > > > > > Cute, but it doesn't seem to address any of the problems of having a > > > wide open wifi router. Wouldn't it be better to limit the bandwidth > > > and route the unauthorized users through the Tor network? > > > > > How long do you think they will continue to try to use it if the only place they > > can get to is kittenwar.com? And if you add the inverted web pages and > > blurry pages, they will get the message real fast. Besides messing with > > people's minds is a lot more fun than just blocking the access, sure would > > like to have a video/audio feed from the neighbor's computer to where I could > > watch and hear the responses.... B-d. I bet more than one has called some > > help desk.... B=] > > If all they can get to is kittenwar.com they might not continue to use > it. I was more referring to the inverted webpages or blurry webpages > hack. You can still do a lot of illegal things on someone else's > system with inverted images, and you can still use a whole lot of > bandwidth doing so. > > Besides, why not be friendly to your neighbors? If you have some > extra bandwidth, and you're running an unencrypted wireless network > anyway, why not share it? > I have, indeed I have very good neighbors and would have no problem with it, but if I had a turkey for a neighbor and he just dived in with no questions asked, I would give him/her at least a "fun" place to go. Indeed one of my neighbors still uses dialup (we still have paper in the cable here so cheap dsl is not even available yet) and he is using satellite for his tv so he does not have a good path for data. I offered the use of my wifi but he declined. Radio does not respect boundaries, that is why I do not believe that reception limitations ever work, just like the ban on receiving cellular, (all they did was make it "more tempting" ) if you do not want your system and data intercepted lock it down, but don't ask some silly pol to make a law prohibiting it. By the same token, if someone uses my bandwidth and does not even ask to do so, then I will take the freedom to "allow them routing" that takes them where I want them to go, it is my router after all. As far as keeping the bad guys out, that is what firewalls are for but between the computer and the AP not between the AP and the ISP, except of course to do the funnies for the interlopers... Gotta have fun... If a neighbor needs BW, I am most glad to let him/her use it if they just ask and indeed, I have offered, so I am not in any way against sharing, just abusive people. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 19:12:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77NCBrn028392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:12:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77NCBlu028391 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:12:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77NCATN028387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:12:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77NCAgP020167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:12:10 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.194]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77NBsR7013915 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:11:55 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so687228hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SzWwqddCx72wMCKF72//q1teXdkAAT3aGg8wJFc8KzU05ncEznrSXmayDcH/UC6/JTDcoMrjvFS2Bh6ZvEHQgZQBaPrqdm1tpB2CMb5wvev17v9ZTJ51AxXJHtv5inI/tLuTkrpuhGWtn0ueKtijRZhdjsqEzdiXNaAnwOKYyOw= Received: by 10.78.107.8 with SMTP id f8mr2554602huc; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608071611q394e02b1mebeb2c34b3803fb2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:11:53 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.399, required 6, AWL 0.80, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Mason Mullins wrote: > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Levi Bard" > Reply-To: slug@nks.net > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. > Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 15:29:11 -0500 > > > > > > Do you also disable the water spigot on the outside of your house? > > > > > >If someone were abusing yours such that you couldn't use your own water > >legitimately, would you not consider such action? > > > >I think the light's a better example. > > Sure, if somebody was abusing my water supply, I'd get onto them > and/or take action. But if I paid a flat rate for water every month, > I wouldn't really care if the neighborhood kids used it to fill water > balloons or whatever. > > -- > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > > > Well, I have to admit that when I'm on the road (trucker) and I'm not at a > hotspot (many truckstops have them now), I have been known to use whatever > unsecured wireless router I can connect with. It's usually a nearby hotel, > but sometimes it's a home router. > > I don't abuse it and do huge downloads or anything, just get online to check > my email. It's not like I'm seriously hogging their bandwidth or running up > a big bill for them or anything. No harm no foul. > With this I have no problem, if you are in the area a for a bit and need the access, I am not going to stop you, what I am targeting is the abusive neighbor who has a noisy dog, roosters, and other irritants and also has no question of jumping on the neighbor AP time and again without even saying a word. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 19:39:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ndk2Q028627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:39:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k77Ndkn2028626 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:39:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77Ndklv028622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:39:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77NdjPB021424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:39:45 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k77NdUrU031037 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 19:39:30 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N009QGJ1GU1FO@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:39:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:39:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-reply-to: <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.302, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r >> > 2.6.16.13-4-default >> >> OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel. If you didn't configure and >> compile your kernel, someone else did. The only other person (presumably) >> is your distro maintainer. >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' >> > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory >> >> The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default , >> so find can't look there. >> >> What type of NICs are they? Are they using the kernel drivers, or >> something like ndiswrapper? > > This is the funny part, the laptop (ibm T42) has drivers for the internal > wifi card, and they load up just fine, it is the one that calls the wifi > nic eth1 vice wlan something. My desktop which uses a PCI wireless card > with the broad- com chips uses ndiswrapper, that one comes up as wlan0... > The ibm uses a intel chipset. Hypothesis: wireless cards which get their drivers from ndiswrapper will get the device "wlanX" Supporting evidence: your two machines, and my laptop > I guess I could install the kernel source, I am sure it is on the DVD > somewhere. Just seems strange that on one machine the wireless piece is a > eth device and on another one using the same OS it is a wlan device... > Perhaps I am just picking nits here but it just does not look right... Probably easier would be to make the appropriate links and edits, without recompiling squat. Actually easiest would be "deal with it", but that's not going to happen. I swear modules.conf used to have an "alias eth0 foo" statement, but I can't find it now. -- A well-loved and correctly trained domestic canine is generally slobbery, excitable, noisy, scatalogically obsessed, xenophobic, pathetically unjudgmental, embarrassingly uninhibited, unreasoningly devoted, heartbreakingly dependent and wretchedly craven. - PB, AFCA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 20:15:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780F7PT028921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:15:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k780F7s8028920 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:15:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780F7OW028916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:15:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780F6Wj023176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:15:06 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.199]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780Eoau026282 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:14:50 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 23so871009huc for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:14:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q3JL2GjsK6Fhy35pOVppBQPThU7SYcX9Lal7LoTvqNOrP95ZAR/RkU/MxbCQx8DrxHk2NpCVx6hSldNEsCj4e6RSdX5WXYmTWUH8Nv5dlrV2oWTMGLoVjzMLwtxkurGe0lvlV98DUgHK17lCLBruuTF7d3rCo3Y5t7fWP7w4BAg= Received: by 10.78.157.8 with SMTP id f8mr2575621hue; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 17:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:14:49 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.767, required 6, AWL 0.17, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> > >> > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r > >> > 2.6.16.13-4-default > >> > >> OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel. If you didn't configure and > >> compile your kernel, someone else did. The only other person (presumably) > >> is your distro maintainer. > >> > >> > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' > >> > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory > >> > >> The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default , > >> so find can't look there. > >> > >> What type of NICs are they? Are they using the kernel drivers, or > >> something like ndiswrapper? > > > > This is the funny part, the laptop (ibm T42) has drivers for the internal > > wifi card, and they load up just fine, it is the one that calls the wifi > > nic eth1 vice wlan something. My desktop which uses a PCI wireless card > > with the broad- com chips uses ndiswrapper, that one comes up as wlan0... > > The ibm uses a intel chipset. > > Hypothesis: wireless cards which get their drivers from ndiswrapper will get > the device "wlanX" > > Supporting evidence: your two machines, and my laptop > > > I guess I could install the kernel source, I am sure it is on the DVD > > somewhere. Just seems strange that on one machine the wireless piece is a > > eth device and on another one using the same OS it is a wlan device... > > Perhaps I am just picking nits here but it just does not look right... > > Probably easier would be to make the appropriate links and edits, without > recompiling squat. Actually easiest would be "deal with it", but that's not > going to happen. > > I swear modules.conf used to have an "alias eth0 foo" statement, but I can't > find it now. > OK, you are seeing the same thing, sounds like it is a habit then. Just looks messy, I guess that is the price we pay for not having to deal with some of the stuff that you get with windows, like viruses, worms and other stupidity. At least it is more cosmetic. I guess the fix is a re-compile, I was thinking that modules used to have the alias thing too. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 20:39:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780dqgX029143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:39:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k780dqAh029142 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:39:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780dpdE029138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:39:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780dppc024676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:39:51 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k780dZkp018508 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:39:35 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3N00LTDLTKE7C2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:39:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:39:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-reply-to: <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.629, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.11, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >> > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: >> >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >> >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r >> >> > 2.6.16.13-4-default >> >> >> >> OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel. If you didn't configure >> >> and compile your kernel, someone else did. The only other person >> >> (presumably) is your distro maintainer. >> >> >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' >> >> > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory >> >> >> >> The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default >> , >> >> so find can't look there. >> >> >> >> What type of NICs are they? Are they using the kernel drivers, or >> >> something like ndiswrapper? >> > >> > This is the funny part, the laptop (ibm T42) has drivers for the internal >> > wifi card, and they load up just fine, it is the one that calls the wifi >> > nic eth1 vice wlan something. My desktop which uses a PCI wireless card >> > with the broad- com chips uses ndiswrapper, that one comes up as wlan0... >> > The ibm uses a intel chipset. >> >> Hypothesis: wireless cards which get their drivers from ndiswrapper will get >> the device "wlanX" >> >> Supporting evidence: your two machines, and my laptop >> >> > I guess I could install the kernel source, I am sure it is on the DVD >> > somewhere. Just seems strange that on one machine the wireless piece is >> > a eth device and on another one using the same OS it is a wlan >> > device... Perhaps I am just picking nits here but it just does not look >> > right... >> >> Probably easier would be to make the appropriate links and edits, without >> recompiling squat. Actually easiest would be "deal with it", but that's >> not going to happen. >> >> I swear modules.conf used to have an "alias eth0 foo" statement, but I >> can't find it now. >> > OK, you are seeing the same thing, Actually I'm not, but then I'm not using ndiswrapper either. It's just that those three machines fit the pattern of "ndiswrapper -> wlan, kernel -> eth". If someone comes up with a machine which *doesn't* fit that pattern, then that hypothesis is out the window. > sounds like it is a habit then. Just looks messy, I guess that is the > price we pay for not having to deal with some of the stuff that you get > with windows, like viruses, worms and other stupidity. At least it is more > cosmetic. Well, if it is ndiswrapper that chooses the interface to be "wlanX", you could edit the source and change it to whatever you want. > I guess the fix is a re-compile, Maybe of ndiswrapper only. > I was thinking that modules used to have the alias thing too. Maybe that was under 2.4. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII chrcter. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." - Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 7 21:38:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k781cKvS029632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:38:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k781cK1r029631 for slug-track29; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:38:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k781cKGm029627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:38:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k781cKtb028085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:38:20 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.199]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k781c4Nm009524 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:38:05 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so703134hub for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:38:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dLwC4FU/x/f3Y/cBgdSfeVuEJ+WgwtSVauXZDjcRp2uunQ+uDRQh7dQce3voSGjd8Y8g6qp4TD1IsYsmfmSZxvvfz+id8QiQYOBJjITuWfLOxs4YpqB4FZr5gI994D1W7hm8Lvs7Pw9VRTihBhhJbNTyaLUC7gsgf7T6q7Tabm8= Received: by 10.78.136.7 with SMTP id j7mr2568647hud; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608071838p4d26350er502bdf2eb7a9de60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:38:03 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.958, required 6, AWL 0.36, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> > >> > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r > >> >> > 2.6.16.13-4-default > >> >> > >> >> OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel. If you didn't configure > >> >> and compile your kernel, someone else did. The only other person > >> >> (presumably) is your distro maintainer. > >> >> > >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"' > >> >> > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory > >> >> > >> >> The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default > >> , > >> >> so find can't look there. > >> >> > >> >> What type of NICs are they? Are they using the kernel drivers, or > >> >> something like ndiswrapper? > >> > > >> > This is the funny part, the laptop (ibm T42) has drivers for the internal > >> > wifi card, and they load up just fine, it is the one that calls the wifi > >> > nic eth1 vice wlan something. My desktop which uses a PCI wireless card > >> > with the broad- com chips uses ndiswrapper, that one comes up as wlan0... > >> > The ibm uses a intel chipset. > >> > >> Hypothesis: wireless cards which get their drivers from ndiswrapper will get > >> the device "wlanX" > >> > >> Supporting evidence: your two machines, and my laptop > >> > >> > I guess I could install the kernel source, I am sure it is on the DVD > >> > somewhere. Just seems strange that on one machine the wireless piece is > >> > a eth device and on another one using the same OS it is a wlan > >> > device... Perhaps I am just picking nits here but it just does not look > >> > right... > >> > >> Probably easier would be to make the appropriate links and edits, without > >> recompiling squat. Actually easiest would be "deal with it", but that's > >> not going to happen. > >> > >> I swear modules.conf used to have an "alias eth0 foo" statement, but I > >> can't find it now. > >> > > OK, you are seeing the same thing, > > Actually I'm not, but then I'm not using ndiswrapper either. It's just that > those three machines fit the pattern of "ndiswrapper -> wlan, kernel -> > eth". If someone comes up with a machine which *doesn't* fit that pattern, > then that hypothesis is out the window. > > > sounds like it is a habit then. Just looks messy, I guess that is the > > price we pay for not having to deal with some of the stuff that you get > > with windows, like viruses, worms and other stupidity. At least it is more > > cosmetic. > > Well, if it is ndiswrapper that chooses the interface to be "wlanX", you > could edit the source and change it to whatever you want. > > > I guess the fix is a re-compile, > > Maybe of ndiswrapper only. > > > I was thinking that modules used to have the alias thing too. > > Maybe that was under 2.4. > I think I set a table of aliases up for a 2.4 machine. Have to look into it. maybe we will get some more info on it. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 00:44:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784iu8R031155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:44:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k784iuU3031154 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:44:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784itj5031150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:44:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784isxl006986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:44:54 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784iWGt031294 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:44:33 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so92245nfa for ; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:44:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=C/5HM2kPPiIDGal5xeS06hIO55ia8B2QnP/V5YRP6TjsbUX3zimuqAn57SaPUNt8KHWeWCBsdRZ8Xb1hbInP/r7C/2V5HZI4J2dsTd74+xXIMYauyhcG6pm0qxv+I+3r0RK9lPgXzrQ/8fTQIFXUtRdiP03gtd9b956pY5COnmE= Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr271643nff; Mon, 07 Aug 2006 21:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Aug 2006 21:44:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608072144i3c38761av79d814d7b6cd373@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:44:31 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <620c90570608071838p4d26350er502bdf2eb7a9de60@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_87702_33136834.1155012271769" References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071838p4d26350er502bdf2eb7a9de60@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.224, required 6, AWL 0.77, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_87702_33136834.1155012271769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think Eben's right. I'm running no ndiswrapper and I have eth1 not wlan0 On 8/7/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > > >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > >> > > >> > On 8/7/06, Eben King wrote: > > >> >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r > > >> >> > 2.6.16.13-4-default > > >> >> > > >> >> OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel. If you didn't > configure > > >> >> and compile your kernel, someone else did. The only other person > > >> >> (presumably) is your distro maintainer. > > >> >> > > >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | > xargs grep '"wlan"' > > >> >> > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or > directory > > >> >> > > >> >> The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux- > 2.6.16.13-4-default > > >> , > > >> >> so find can't look there. > > >> >> > > >> >> What type of NICs are they? Are they using the kernel drivers, or > > >> >> something like ndiswrapper? > > >> > > > >> > This is the funny part, the laptop (ibm T42) has drivers for the > internal > > >> > wifi card, and they load up just fine, it is the one that calls the > wifi > > >> > nic eth1 vice wlan something. My desktop which uses a PCI wireless > card > > >> > with the broad- com chips uses ndiswrapper, that one comes up as > wlan0... > > >> > The ibm uses a intel chipset. > > >> > > >> Hypothesis: wireless cards which get their drivers from ndiswrapper > will get > > >> the device "wlanX" > > >> > > >> Supporting evidence: your two machines, and my laptop > > >> > > >> > I guess I could install the kernel source, I am sure it is on the > DVD > > >> > somewhere. Just seems strange that on one machine the wireless > piece is > > >> > a eth device and on another one using the same OS it is a wlan > > >> > device... Perhaps I am just picking nits here but it just does not > look > > >> > right... > > >> > > >> Probably easier would be to make the appropriate links and edits, > without > > >> recompiling squat. Actually easiest would be "deal with it", but > that's > > >> not going to happen. > > >> > > >> I swear modules.conf used to have an "alias eth0 foo" statement, but > I > > >> can't find it now. > > >> > > > OK, you are seeing the same thing, > > > > Actually I'm not, but then I'm not using ndiswrapper either. It's just > that > > those three machines fit the pattern of "ndiswrapper -> wlan, kernel -> > > eth". If someone comes up with a machine which *doesn't* fit that > pattern, > > then that hypothesis is out the window. > > > > > sounds like it is a habit then. Just looks messy, I guess that is the > > > price we pay for not having to deal with some of the stuff that you > get > > > with windows, like viruses, worms and other stupidity. At least it is > more > > > cosmetic. > > > > Well, if it is ndiswrapper that chooses the interface to be "wlanX", you > > could edit the source and change it to whatever you want. > > > > > I guess the fix is a re-compile, > > > > Maybe of ndiswrapper only. > > > > > I was thinking that modules used to have the alias thing too. > > > > Maybe that was under 2.4. > > > I think I set a table of aliases up for a 2.4 machine. Have to look into > it. > maybe we will get some more info on it. > > -- > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_87702_33136834.1155012271769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think Eben's right.  I'm running no ndiswrapper and I have eth1 not wlan0

On 8/7/06, Chuck Hast <wchast@gmail.com > wrote:
On 8/7/06, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > On 8/7/06, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 8/7/06, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # uname -r
> >> >> > 2.6.16.13-4-default
> >> >>
> >> >> OK, you have a modified-by-your-distro kernel.  If you didn't configure
> >> >> and compile your kernel, someone else did.  The only other person
> >> >> (presumably) is your distro maintainer.
> >> >>
> >> >> > RF-mobile:/ # find /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` -name \*.[ch] | xargs grep '"wlan"'
> >> >> > find: /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default: No such file or directory
> >> >>
> >> >> The kernel source isn't installed to /usr/src/linux-2.6.16.13-4-default
> >> ,
> >> >> so find can't look there.
> >> >>
> >> >> What type of NICs are they?  Are they using the kernel drivers, or
> >> >> something like ndiswrapper?
> >> >
> >> > This is the funny part, the laptop (ibm T42) has drivers for the internal
> >> > wifi card, and they load up just fine, it is the one that calls the wifi
> >> > nic eth1 vice wlan something. My desktop which uses a PCI wireless card
> >> > with the broad- com chips uses ndiswrapper, that one comes up as wlan0...
> >> > The ibm uses a intel chipset.
> >>
> >> Hypothesis: wireless cards which get their drivers from ndiswrapper will get
> >> the device "wlanX"
> >>
> >> Supporting evidence: your two machines, and my laptop
> >>
> >> > I guess I could install the kernel source, I am sure it is on the DVD
> >> > somewhere. Just seems strange that on one machine the wireless piece is
> >> > a eth device and on another one using the same OS it is a wlan
> >> > device... Perhaps I am just picking nits here but it just does not look
> >> > right...
> >>
> >> Probably easier would be to make the appropriate links and edits, without
> >> recompiling squat.  Actually easiest would be "deal with it", but that's
> >> not going to happen.
> >>
> >> I swear modules.conf used to have an "alias eth0 foo" statement, but I
> >> can't find it now.
> >>
> > OK, you are seeing the same thing,
>
> Actually I'm not, but then I'm not using ndiswrapper either.  It's just that
> those three machines fit the pattern of "ndiswrapper -> wlan, kernel ->
> eth".  If someone comes up with a machine which *doesn't* fit that pattern,
> then that hypothesis is out the window.
>
> > sounds like it is a habit then. Just looks messy, I guess that is the
> > price we pay for not having to deal with some of the stuff that you get
> > with windows, like viruses, worms and other stupidity. At least it is more
> > cosmetic.
>
> Well, if it is ndiswrapper that chooses the interface to be "wlanX", you
> could edit the source and change it to whatever you want.
>
> > I guess the fix is a re-compile,
>
> Maybe of ndiswrapper only.
>
> > I was thinking that modules used to have the alias thing too.
>
> Maybe that was under 2.4 .
>
I think I set a table of aliases up for a 2.4 machine. Have to look into it.
maybe we will get some more info on it.

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 00:51:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784p1xO031206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:51:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k784p1ox031205 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:51:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784p0xK031201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:51:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784p00w007270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:51:00 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k784opZm014521 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:50:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060808045051.FYRJ8328.centrmmtao05.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 00:50:51 -0400 Message-ID: <44D8270C.7070508@cox.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 00:54:20 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071838p4d26350er502bdf2eb7a9de60@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608072144i3c38761av79d814d7b6cd373@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0608072144i3c38761av79d814d7b6cd373@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.292, required 6, AWL -1.29, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Possum wrote: > I think Eben's right. I'm running no ndiswrapper and I have eth1 not > wlan0 > It's not often that we hear from you, Possom. -- "You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements." ~ Norman Douglas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 01:12:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k785C5Vl031400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:12:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k785C5ib031399 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k785C4Og031395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:12:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k785C412008529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:12:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k785BrUq011002 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:11:53 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k785BpU1002460 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GAJsd-0004Yy-Fz for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:11:51 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 01:11:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071838p4d26350er502bdf2eb7a9de60@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608072144i3c38761av79d814d7b6cd373@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0608072144i3c38761av79d814d7b6cd373@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608080111.51082.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.924, required 6, AWL -0.88, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 08 August 2006 00:44, Possum wrote: > I think Eben's right. I'm running no ndiswrapper and I have eth1 not wlan0 $ grep 'if_name' /usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.5/driver/wrapper.c static char *if_name = "wlan%d"; Just rename 'wlan' to 'boogiewoogie' and you're done. It's all in the source guys. Or pass if_name= off to `modprobe ndiswrapper` -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 02:26:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k786QJf1032045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 02:26:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k786QJLs032044 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 02:26:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k786QIgj032040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 02:26:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k786QIN5012451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 02:26:18 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k786Q7si001996 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 02:26:07 -0400 Received: from [70.219.30.219] by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3O00A1V1VC98XK@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:26:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:28:25 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: [SLUG] Linux to verizon national access To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44D82F09.4040404@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Everybody! Albert #3487 says that Verizon really doesn't support Linux. He can write a trouble ticket but no one will do anything about it. The issue is that after days of OK performance the cellphone network will all of a sudden get flaky for several hours, generally at the same time, about 1:30 AM Eastern. He can help but I have to go on in Windows and that isn't an option. If I could go on in Windows he could run a program called VZ Access Manager which would update a list of towers. Does anyone know how to do this in Linux, it works in Mac? If this can be done it should be done every month. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 07:14:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BEr1i002066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:14:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78BErGv002065 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:14:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BEq9E002061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:14:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BEq77030260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:14:53 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BEcEY016101 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:14:39 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so194030nfa for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:14:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JFOn5iXEL6Tm+xHk+LWAjTLkmOK6G6l3KuAxizqG8Cx4Rzw8xGQyTnW1zx5xkvYcr+UnQ3b2mk8nvRe/MThKAq4kU9O+mOfJoZNZJG21mC9KIdlDXT3kqYJdGvg1zrWhxXSwO71aAlo6b9XxfFsDzV+4IUo+h6isfqMSpZN9TyQ= Received: by 10.49.8.4 with SMTP id l4mr269640nfi; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608080414x4afd3538gfa32fcb63050daf9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:14:37 -0500 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <44D8270C.7070508@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_91989_31652721.1155035677761" References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071838p4d26350er502bdf2eb7a9de60@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608072144i3c38761av79d814d7b6cd373@mail.gmail.com> <44D8270C.7070508@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.91, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.67, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_91989_31652721.1155035677761 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/8/06, michael hast wrote: > > Possum wrote: > > I think Eben's right. I'm running no ndiswrapper and I have eth1 not > > wlan0 > > > > > It's not often that we hear from you, Possom. Yea, I only post when I've been drinking.... :) -- > "You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements." ~ Norman > Douglas > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_91989_31652721.1155035677761 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 8/8/06, michael hast <evylrobot19@cox.net> wrote:
Possum wrote:
> I think Eben's right.  I'm running no ndiswrapper and I have eth1 not
> wlan0
>
<snip & OSOT>

It's not often that we hear from you, Possom.

Yea, I only post when I've been drinking.... :)

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 07:26:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BQuAX002224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:26:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78BQufL002223 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:26:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BQu1S002219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:26:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BQuvI030966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:26:56 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78BQetV027444 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:26:41 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so563290wxc for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dI0bZd34rLc/PePURvVzMlgA/VbGKbfpQGUkI7jl4xF/aPSOwicwozpmcKGEkdjRKmZKHnwqlaDmocfuILxJ+O9z8aLot9z4BSdYr3kO/pmRWxGV+f9QgBAwlIoqqzf16nFvc98oBmG4WCVaZQYvbUyeUHiPwNOm5XRx06Cc07s= Received: by 10.70.52.5 with SMTP id z5mr658806wxz; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 04:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.66.19 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 04:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8e6702750608080426w7792c5b4mb9b90bb99bb895da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:26:37 -0400 From: "Tina Gasperson" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux to verizon national access In-Reply-To: <44D82F09.4040404@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D82F09.4040404@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Have you tried running VZ Access in Wine? You should have received a CD with the card. (I haven't tried this, just a suggestion.) On 8/8/06, petetheisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > Albert #3487 says that Verizon really doesn't support Linux. He can > write a trouble ticket but no one will do anything about it. > > The issue is that after days of OK performance the cellphone network > will all of a sudden get flaky for several hours, generally at the same > time, about 1:30 AM Eastern. He can help but I have to go on in Windows > and that isn't an option. > > If I could go on in Windows he could run a program called VZ Access > Manager which would update a list of towers. Does anyone know how to do > this in Linux, it works in Mac? If this can be done it should be done > every month. > > > > Regards, > > Pete > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 08:00:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78C0xeN002526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:00:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78C0xGN002525 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:00:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78C0wNk002521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:00:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78C0tQf000447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:00:55 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78C03IG021348 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:00:03 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (really [68.97.91.216]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060808115959.JPVC17338.centrmmtao06.cox.net@[192.168.0.4]> for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:59:59 -0400 Message-ID: <44D88BA1.4030609@cox.net> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:03:29 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070756r54ca8b4ej311673b2a93e2f9e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071446s7ac7aca2o33f98512aaa98c00@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071714ic5fcdbak2b06eff7ab462c9@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608071838p4d26350er502bdf2eb7a9de60@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608072144i3c38761av79d814d7b6cd373@mail.gmail.com> <44D8270C.7070508@cox.net> <255f52a0608080414x4afd3538gfa32fcb63050daf9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <255f52a0608080414x4afd3538gfa32fcb63050daf9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.33, required 6, AWL -1.15, BAYES_40 -0.18, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Possum wrote: > > > On 8/8/06, *michael hast* > wrote: > > Possum wrote: > > I think Eben's right. I'm running no ndiswrapper and I have > eth1 not > > wlan0 > > > > > It's not often that we hear from you, Possom. > > > Yea, I only post when I've been drinking.... :) > > Hey, me too! :-P Well, I suppose it's off to work for me... -- "You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements." ~ Norman Douglas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 08:31:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78CVBDC002777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:31:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78CVB0E002776 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:31:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78CVAbk002772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:31:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78CVAWg003095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:31:10 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78CUrHl011661 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:30:53 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so575800wxc for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:30:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kpXGCfAfpItxL1olL4ImdxYQI+eWqwgcLvorRxHu/hlwBvWI4eOUlLKjKSrGmpBZRUEBFtzWgztB8X7iCckryRgIlyculVPJ9cRrI5EjI4AnFDKIUO0NdwibzCqDoOXTFB5ZaBwhUy/y2ArjZEnc8UjCI7doJh3w8xoZVykHihI= Received: by 10.78.147.3 with SMTP id u3mr2738084hud; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 05:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.117.16 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 05:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <71cd4dd90608080530j7c0ac7d6lb5580baf313523f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:30:50 -0400 From: "Anthony DiPierro" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux to verizon national access In-Reply-To: <44D82F09.4040404@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D82F09.4040404@verizon.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c9088798ebb98601 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/8/06, petetheisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > Albert #3487 says that Verizon really doesn't support Linux. He can > write a trouble ticket but no one will do anything about it. > > The issue is that after days of OK performance the cellphone network > will all of a sudden get flaky for several hours, generally at the same > time, about 1:30 AM Eastern. He can help but I have to go on in Windows > and that isn't an option. > > If I could go on in Windows he could run a program called VZ Access > Manager which would update a list of towers. Does anyone know how to do > this in Linux, it works in Mac? If this can be done it should be done > every month. > To update the PRL (basically the list of towers) on a standard verizon cell phone you dial *228. Looking on Google apparently the number for EVDO is *22899. http://kenkinder.com/evdo-pc5740/ http://www.evdoinfo.com/Tips/PC_5220/Current_PRL_Version_for_EVDO_Access_2005051056/ Just a warning that I haven't actually tried this. I'm not responsible if you screw everything up :). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 09:39:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78DdL7e003312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:39:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78DdLro003311 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:39:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78DdKhh003307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:39:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78DdK6A007303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:39:20 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.194]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78DdCW0032090 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:39:13 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so789343hub for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ueln9jGC2NdTB8T8ZPqDtyw29S7O1EOHyURXohwYStImqTNyEzsT7rqP4jRSxsRscPy8OiQjdEJoPSCJvRep2oIemN11qeFr/nzhpPS8YeQ+O5+ZN7Eyfn4sTkO8ccnbzjfU7j74qi8VjHWb8w4jUiB8seU49N/2pSYl33N2+sk= Received: by 10.78.132.12 with SMTP id f12mr2761204hud; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 06:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608080639j7f0adefckb09ed147a59e7d04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:39:10 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux to verizon national access In-Reply-To: <71cd4dd90608080530j7c0ac7d6lb5580baf313523f5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D82F09.4040404@verizon.net> <71cd4dd90608080530j7c0ac7d6lb5580baf313523f5@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.827, required 6, AWL 0.23, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/8/06, Anthony DiPierro wrote: > On 8/8/06, petetheisen wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > > > > Albert #3487 says that Verizon really doesn't support Linux. He can > > write a trouble ticket but no one will do anything about it. > > > > The issue is that after days of OK performance the cellphone network > > will all of a sudden get flaky for several hours, generally at the same > > time, about 1:30 AM Eastern. He can help but I have to go on in Windows > > and that isn't an option. > > > > If I could go on in Windows he could run a program called VZ Access > > Manager which would update a list of towers. Does anyone know how to do > > this in Linux, it works in Mac? If this can be done it should be done > > every month. > > > To update the PRL (basically the list of towers) on a standard verizon > cell phone you dial *228. Looking on Google apparently the number for > EVDO is *22899. > > http://kenkinder.com/evdo-pc5740/ > http://www.evdoinfo.com/Tips/PC_5220/Current_PRL_Version_for_EVDO_Access_2005051056/ > > Just a warning that I haven't actually tried this. I'm not > responsible if you screw everything up :). > This is one I have not figured out, CDMA (the protocol VZN uses) has one of the cleanest handoffs around, but I can not figure out for the life of me why that can not have the base station id info on the control stream so that it is updated automaticly, that has been a basic function of the control channel or stream for ever and ever. I did a converage study for ConEd on Verizon, and we had to do that as we moved from area to area to make sure that we were checking all of the base stations that were fielded. Same went for the Hillsborough Co. Sheriff, we had to always start the day making sure the PRL was up to date, did not have to worry about that sort of thing for GSM (different protocol big time but still has the base station data in the control stream). Usually that is a command internal to the modem, or a text file you upload to the modem. Has been a year and a half since I did that stuff so things may have changed but sounds like they have gone backwards... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 11:13:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FDfUx004070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78FDfU6004069 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FDe3h004065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FDetv012549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:40 -0400 Received: from www.ctrust.com (70-88-58-202-western-fl.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.88.58.202] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FDFoV028981 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by www.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EA475C001 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44D8AA1E.2020306@ctrust.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:13:34 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608070454g61328815m4a3deb25601af941@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608070613m7d9cd1a1iba42f10a2e322963@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608070738u19af1a47jb3f2210948de4288@mail.gmail.com> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: > >>> And if your neighbor is downloading inappropriate content, are you at >>> fault or are you a common carrier? >>> >>> I doubt common carrier status would apply to supplying your neighbors >>> with your residential broadband service. >>> >>> It's a very slippery slope. The true paranoid among us would probably >>> use WPA2 and disable SSID broadcasts... >> >> How do places like coffee shops deal with this issue? >> >> I'd rather be neighbor-friendly and risk having to defend myself in >> case of an extremely unlikely occurrence than to maximally lock >> everything down and monitor everything in a paranoid fashion. > > Those are the extreme positions, sure. But you don't have to be > paranoid to protect yourself; AFAIK if you take "reasonable" > precautions (and "reasonable" may be defined by the DA), you're > clear. Just like if someone commits a crime with your handgun, but > first he had to sneak into your closet to get it, undo the trigger > lock, and load it, that's a lot better than if it were on your sofa, > unlocked, and loaded. What good is a handgun for protection if its not loaded, unlocked and within easy reach? > >> Come on, people, Free Software is all about sharing with your neighbor! > > Yeah, "Free" as in speech, not "Free" as in beer. Get to it, but not > through the connection I pay for. > -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 11:20:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FKABL004200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:20:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78FKAoa004199 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:20:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FKAwt004195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:20:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FKAvK013061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:20:10 -0400 Received: from www.ctrust.com (70-88-58-202-western-fl.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.88.58.202] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FJpmU019089 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:19:51 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.50] (unknown [192.168.100.50]) by www.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E7575C001 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:20:11 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >> But if those water balloons were being used to bombard someone and >> you'd be >> liable for it, you might take more of an interest in where your water >> goes. > > Or I might refuse to be intimidated by this culture of fear we have > going. If I saw that the kids were using the balloons to do something > unequivocally bad, I'd do something about it, just like I'd do > something if I happened to notice someone using my connection to try > to brute-force a server. But these are, and should be treated as, > exceptions instead of the rule. > > I hate how people have become so afraid of personal consequences that > they're afraid of helping or being nice to anybody else. > Justice should be swift and brutal. If you see those runts doing something you deem bad with water balloons filled with 'your' water, it is your obligation to pick up your unsecured handgun and fire blindly into the crowd (using paint caps of course). that'll solve the whole problem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 11:28:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FS2Ca004252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:28:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78FS25t004251 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:28:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FS2CF004247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:28:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FS1Lq013488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:28:01 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FRijw024580 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:27:45 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k78FRhoD001380 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GATUc-0000Kq-Ej for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:27:42 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55167.216.134.200.78.1155050862.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <71cd4dd90608071017l9099b19lcedda73277ba6cf2@mail.gmail.com> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.357, required 6, AWL -0.44, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Craig Zeigler wrote: > Justice should be swift and brutal. If you see those runts doing > something you deem bad with water balloons filled with 'your' water, it > is your obligation to pick up your unsecured handgun and fire blindly > into the crowd (using paint caps of course). that'll solve the whole > problem. But think of the kittens! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 11:36:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FaCZd004308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:36:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78FaC2k004307 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:36:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FaBAS004303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:36:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FaBU8013891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:36:11 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FZrJQ025428 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:35:53 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so106161wri for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:35:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cJZ3G8pO7Z6va0INqqbmFlTU00sz37MHRd5j9clCo6/hlvww1k02y15YbnVYHeJlYaYcfp7uQWXr7JHEs1rQ2DMq1TRFBP5C8/ak7HeGugqVTQZ4JyhiqUNMjdDD5TH1yAQzu9JZv8Fn5yCBxAXNIu/x+djACHg7XRZP2ol2oRg= Received: by 10.78.185.7 with SMTP id i7mr2816938huf; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 08:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:35:52 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 11:43:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FhPG9004375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78FhPfp004374 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FhPCs004370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78FhPbF014232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78Fh9rO014666 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:10 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k78Fh8qW010310 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GATjY-0000g6-3v for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:43:08 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47974.216.134.200.78.1155051788.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.641, required 6, AWL -1.16, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > im sure you wouldnt want to explain to your wife a subscription to > penthouse with your name on it [...] I find that scenario very agreeable, thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 12:01:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G1O0u004570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:01:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78G1OwL004569 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:01:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G1OT4004565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:01:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G1N49015476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:01:24 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G0dXa009104 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:00:39 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so109204wri for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aEMOYqtKFRbKybXoWiH6M4J+ng1lrG7bNUUl0wl5u8R7MJfQ+MEXOKPwXmfVVekKT3JY97hlQyDCYAjGsQr2Y9b4biiPxtmEW8HiX2lJE9fVjbyomeJScUzAyWhObNTcjg/1Uu2cYS2ZzvW87fZh3G3XbyfSwAdVSFCQaQgJQzI= Received: by 10.78.122.11 with SMTP id u11mr2127950huc; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:00:38 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. 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On 8/8/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > chris lee wrote: > > > im sure you wouldnt want to explain to your wife a subscription to > > penthouse with your name on it [...] > > I find that scenario very agreeable, thanks. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 12:07:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G7srI004612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:07:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78G7sce004611 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:07:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G7rnA004607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:07:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G7rhN015684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:07:53 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78G7UBC029125 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:07:30 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1674202pyb for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:07:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kf+eZyPHRwdjEaJULfB+p8M83yW2Zgh/zUiWswPS/4XEbfnpiC+rHnREuvBqcU2z3MM69bQ7D05I3EsehRo1mbu3SiHRVcTtYi7a+UyI0np3gWSuMlPe5IqNqo63OqvZMbg0jCKezbk3BssllK8zxMW7HULBhYszYb3Hqgib000= Received: by 10.35.87.8 with SMTP id p8mr14903834pyl; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608080907g126aa036l7b314a589520646a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:07:21 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> <47974.216.134.200.78.1155051788.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.15, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.15, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net (reordered for correct bottom-post mode) > > > im sure you wouldnt want to explain to your wife a subscription to > > > penthouse with your name on it [...] > > its got your name on it but im picking it up out of the mailbox and > your paying for it. I fail to see how allowing someone to share my bandwidth is analogous to buying them a subscription to an antiquated pornographic magazine and explaining it to my significant other. Is there a sitcom involved? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 12:13:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GDUjs004661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:13:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78GDUDm004660 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:13:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GDTDp004656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:13:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GDTTu016026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:13:29 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GDEcZ017068 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:13:15 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so275179nfa for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:13:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R4MOThTeZRKz3iLjqIyE8ToolfR5kOrvTV6puRUJnbGvaFHeSs5wyjsV+22GxUTZ1YNlCQUMvZs/Kqmx5hqd7R9uzkO7mH61QQa7ieKuDBzEsJhFT6UEDwS5gzS6xxUNWkygZePgzgbXQYNNX5Jwo6y9pQsWVWkzwT9rzEnzonc= Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr2833732hue; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:13:13 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 12:30:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GU8cU004858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:30:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78GU83W004857 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:30:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GU8GX004853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:30:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GU4ON016968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:30:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GThsY005647 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:29:44 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k78GTgGI014080 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GAUSc-0001ba-3D for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:29:42 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44392.216.134.200.78.1155054582.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> <47974.216.134.200.78.1155051788.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.028, required 6, AWL -0.77, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > its got your name on it but im picking it up out of the mailbox and > your paying for it. Felony? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 12:35:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GZrCu004894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78GZr5X004893 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GZqdT004889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GZq4s017241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:52 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GZXT4005406 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:33 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 58so112920wri for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:35:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VDIyQpsO226h38d/FhV3g3pCF5CR//ZrqjUirareIVhMQvZXbBzsH7AsjbHPAHC11IJVY3SXy92OJbPS6H4v//K3Z73nhlnPFMFVDrJVdUxMRXsKe1oIR1ocsrCoCXG5g2grBbGY6py2rCc0Knb5TaifO1zey21FtZYiLha4lIk= Received: by 10.78.183.15 with SMTP id g15mr2826561huf; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.37.12 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:31 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: <44392.216.134.200.78.1155054582.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> <47974.216.134.200.78.1155051788.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <44392.216.134.200.78.1155054582.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.139, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net same as stealing wireless luckly enough http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre On 8/8/06, Jason Boxman wrote: > chris lee wrote: > > its got your name on it but im picking it up out of the mailbox and > > your paying for it. > > Felony? > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 12:36:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GaDuk004910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:36:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78GaDmV004909 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:36:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GaDaU004905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:36:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GaCIF017256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:36:13 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GZpk1023572 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:35:51 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so1682670pyb for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:35:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SctDblaIYXzosAMJsWwrnx+eFhMo0bNRe1qC6wU/1PUA8VyMqOSX5sXLvXcSUtYGAjsUpu4UcGInxITQLW00PbNTeGONlKtcoEq/CTxVQiOtocU0/6LS36BZaz04I+JqK4HGcmr2iXE4wwreXmFww7DrxdOmghKgM4v1ybEihC8= Received: by 10.35.26.14 with SMTP id d14mr14936007pyj; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608080935u6c848351h980f6e148b239373@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:35:50 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> <47974.216.134.200.78.1155051788.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608080907g126aa036l7b314a589520646a@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.286, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > im sure you wouldnt want to explain to your wife a subscription to > penthouse with your name on it any more than i would like to explain > to the feds my connection being used to break in to their servers. > > read it fully, not just the edit I read it the first time; it was just nonsensical enough that I didn't reply. TBH, my fiancee would probably be confused as to why I didn't just download something instead. And she would also wonder how this relates to wifi. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 12:47:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78Glglo005011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78GlgDM005010 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GlfLM005006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78Glfmn017808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:41 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78GlKkN029683 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:47:21 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.113]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:47:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 09:47:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:47:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 12:47:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2006 16:47:20.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[506F8230:01C6BB0A] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.048, required 6, AWL -0.10, BAYES_00 -2.60, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Chuck Hast" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:23 -0400 > >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic >card >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the >wireless >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless >params >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, >but it was like that with 10.0 too. I'm not sure if SuSE uses this method but my Ubuntu box uses /etc/iftab to allow the user to define interface names. Check out man iftab. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 14:05:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78I5s3w005690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:05:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78I5rP7005689 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:05:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78I5rWY005685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:05:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78I5rgD021403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:05:53 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0102.google.com [72.14.214.203]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78I5Wk0000767 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:05:33 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so830504hub for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:05:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TJ/2HkZ2PbHaobjw5S4fB9lhylzIx4gJ/fNMcJqCHXbIWYuMpeXskcICdYRH0Qf47w/tMRcNaxosrYpv09F5cAl6K7E9fdNUEYuj3Qlum/SDn86EJZulkYqZCr9lWIcv06G49X4ahvQb10Hz/1w2z5pdXmvrUhYQqWyvMk6OxLE= Received: by 10.78.156.6 with SMTP id d6mr2860181hue; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:05:30 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.276, required 6, AWL 0.68, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/8/06, Sick Twist wrote: > >From: "Chuck Hast" > >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 > >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:23 -0400 > > > >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic it was > >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic > >card > >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > >wireless > >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > >params > >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that it is > >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > >but it was like that with 10.0 too. > > I'm not sure if SuSE uses this method but my Ubuntu box uses /etc/iftab to > allow the user to define interface names. Check out man iftab. > It is not there. I looked for it but can not find it. There is a man page for it but no file. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 16:28:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KS0G2006881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:28:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78KS0il006880 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:28:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KRxdS006876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:27:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KRxgc027806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:27:59 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KRlB0025696 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:27:49 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:27:42 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.658, required 6, AWL -0.66, BAYES_40 -0.18, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/8/06, Sick Twist wrote: >> >From: "Chuck Hast" >> >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >To: slug@nks.net >> >Subject: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 >> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:23 -0400 >> > >> >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic >> it was >> >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have >> >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic >> >card >> >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan >> >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the >> >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the >> >wireless >> >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless >> >params >> >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that >> it is >> >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure >> >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, >> >but it was like that with 10.0 too. >> >> I'm not sure if SuSE uses this method but my Ubuntu box uses >> /etc/iftab to >> allow the user to define interface names. Check out man iftab. >> > > It is not there. I looked for it but can not find it. There is a man > page for it > but no file. > Have you seen this article from SuSE? It explains how and why network devices are named. http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/index.html?page=/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/sec_basicnet_manconf.html ../Todd --------------------------------------------- Questions regarding computers - Todd at acpdata dot com Questions regarding home financing or HELOCS - JoAnne at PFGlends dot com. --------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 16:34:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KY1iR006926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:34:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78KY1uu006925 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:34:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KY02U006921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:34:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KY0W6028023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:34:00 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78KXi1Z026107 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:33:44 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so3104pyb for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mrJwcUY2U/HzNbo0WU6tS60DQY5RqlXpzV3jOiTY0v2k6CD/ld5GIEQ8FUuqr6VNKbADBH8KZ2wC9KJHPwthFfGOVYlhrnRNGFNa4J9n9EO3Sy8+khYSU/F8X+H9H4pSkKknYvVrTyU1POuFCOJaqwcOaVpPGuqtPyBO4UyK+/Y= Received: by 10.35.49.4 with SMTP id b4mr50695pyk; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608081333v20048d08vad6ab0966d13cab9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 15:33:44 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.443, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.16, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/index.html?page=/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/sec_basicnet_manconf.html That link drives my copy of firefox (1.5.0.6) insane. The sidebar on the left just keeps reloading over and over and over and over and over and over... -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 16:38:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78Kc7Ci006964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:38:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78Kc70E006963 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:38:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78Kc76n006959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:38:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78Kc6T4028247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:38:06 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78Kbphl000434 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:37:52 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Tue, 8 Aug 2006 16:37:49 -0400 Message-ID: <44D8F61A.4090904@acpdata.com> Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:37:46 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> <1a3a3e310608081333v20048d08vad6ab0966d13cab9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608081333v20048d08vad6ab0966d13cab9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.822, required 6, AWL -0.94, BAYES_20 -0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/index.html?page=/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/sec_basicnet_manconf.html > > > That link drives my copy of firefox (1.5.0.6) insane. The sidebar on > the left just keeps reloading over and over and over and over and over > and over... > > It does it to mine twice and then mellows out. You'd think that Novell would be more friendly. SUSE/1.5.0.4-1.3 Firefox/1.5.0.4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 17:57:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78LvtpI007584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:57:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78Lvtfv007583 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78LvtT7007579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78LvsMf031675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:57:54 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78LvXF3001351 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:57:33 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3P001JU8ZM1C79@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 16:57:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 17:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608081333v20048d08vad6ab0966d13cab9@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> <1a3a3e310608081333v20048d08vad6ab0966d13cab9@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.537, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.06, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 8 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: > http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/index.html?page=/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/sec_basicnet_manconf.html > > That link drives my copy of firefox (1.5.0.6) insane. The sidebar on > the left just keeps reloading over and over and over and over and over > and over... Try this one then: http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/bookinfo_book_adminguide.html Might have to turn off Javascript, but I hope not. That'd be rude, to force JS users to view a non-working page. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 A. A Top Poster \ http://www.fscked.co.uk/ B. Who's there? \ writing/ A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com \ top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 18:07:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78M75jQ007725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:07:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k78M75Wt007724 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:07:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78M75lr007720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:07:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78M6pHL032187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:07:05 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k78M6Xaa030269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:06:34 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GAZiR-00037Q-AT for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:06:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> <47974.216.134.200.78.1155051788.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <44392.216.134.200.78.1155054582.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-P0Ghagb/nQ9ZAVtJ2biL" Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 18:05:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1155074747.8470.1.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.1, required 6, AWL -1.40, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-P0Ghagb/nQ9ZAVtJ2biL Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-08-08 at 12:35 -0400, chris lee egregiously top posted: > same as stealing wireless luckly enough >=20 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre >=20 And is only six steps away from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribou The Logan --=20 May nothing huge ever fall on your head. -- Chicken Little Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-P0Ghagb/nQ9ZAVtJ2biL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE2Qq63OecGqSbkyMRAmTWAJ4zwMFlVL0v5INEWjN3kddFmQD44QCgwbyh lMSG8lztaF/dhPnmqUAbFiU= =LEcj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-P0Ghagb/nQ9ZAVtJ2biL-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 21:42:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791gaAt009499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:42:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k791gaw9009498 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:42:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791ga3N009494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:42:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791gZwI009049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:42:36 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791gHtw003479 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:42:17 -0400 Received: from [70.210.149.55] by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3P00JZAJE9MSJ9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:42:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:44:28 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux to verizon national access In-reply-to: <8e6702750608080426w7792c5b4mb9b90bb99bb895da@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44D93DFC.7000704@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <44D82F09.4040404@verizon.net> <8e6702750608080426w7792c5b4mb9b90bb99bb895da@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tina Gasperson wrote: > Have you tried running VZ Access in Wine? You should have received a > CD with the card. (I haven't tried this, just a suggestion.) Hi Tina! Haven't had any luck with Wine running anything. Wine and the program will start, run for a minute and then lock the machine requiring a reboot. Oh, Wine *is* like, Windows! I have one Windows database program I would *like* to run, but I have given up on it and I am having a friend write a new front end for it in something that will work cross-platform. Then we can use it on Mac, too! Regards, Pete > > On 8/8/06, petetheisen wrote: > >> Hi Everybody! >> >> Albert #3487 says that Verizon really doesn't support Linux. He can >> write a trouble ticket but no one will do anything about it. >> >> The issue is that after days of OK performance the cellphone >> network will all of a sudden get flaky for several hours, generally >> at the same time, about 1:30 AM Eastern. He can help but I have to >> go on in Windows and that isn't an option. >> >> If I could go on in Windows he could run a program called VZ Access >> Manager which would update a list of towers. Does anyone know how >> to do this in Linux, it works in Mac? If this can be done it should >> be done every month. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 21:47:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791lPtO009539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:47:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k791lPcM009538 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:47:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791lOOe009534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:47:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791lOZn009215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:47:24 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791l9W0017669 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:47:09 -0400 Received: from [70.210.149.55] by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3P008H0JM1ZX93@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:46:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:49:08 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44D93F14.6070503@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <44D77A74.1030505@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608071051s4e4bc0cbma4b3ffe857f5faa7@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > had to chime in on this. > > its clearly a mine vs yours issue. > > you using my internet connection (or water in the previous example) is > as bad as me using your mailbox to receive mail i dont want going > directly to my home. > > im sure you wouldnt want to explain to your wife a subscription to > penthouse with your name on it Hi Chris! I'm not married and I don't get penthouse, but I have a feeling that if she didn't understand I couldn't explain it. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 21:48:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791mawo009558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:48:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k791maEe009557 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:48:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791mZlB009553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:48:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791mZle009265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:48:35 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k791mK4D011985 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:48:21 -0400 Received: from [70.210.149.55] by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3P00839JO3PGL8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:48:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:50:25 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wifi security fun with your neighbors. In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608080907g126aa036l7b314a589520646a@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44D93F61.4080905@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <44D4C7B1.20607@myraandpete.net> <1a3a3e310608071124i49dc8cft7c436834173c2662@mail.gmail.com> <60684.216.134.200.78.1154980547.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608071329m197cdd78v711c69d6e9a71f78@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608071403v14e85747j40d72054a37e147c@mail.gmail.com> <44D8ABAB.6010502@ctrust.com> <47974.216.134.200.78.1155051788.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1a3a3e310608080907g126aa036l7b314a589520646a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > (reordered for correct bottom-post mode) > >> > > im sure you wouldnt want to explain to your wife a subscription to >> > > penthouse with your name on it [...] >> >> its got your name on it but im picking it up out of the mailbox and >> your paying for it. > > > I fail to see how allowing someone to share my bandwidth is analogous > to buying them a subscription to an antiquated pornographic magazine > and explaining it to my significant other. Is there a sitcom > involved? > Hi Levi! Only if the centerfold page is stuck together. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 23:13:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793Doui010248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:13:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k793DotR010247 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:13:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793Dorp010243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:13:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793Dnnv012809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:13:50 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.232]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793DYPK025343 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:13:34 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so335943qbe for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:13:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BUcH+iDjXy+jERRAnobyxZ947PZjVcxbBy+3hggMmbeVgbRyO5I+TCm6zmcsRX1rzW9+itoaSkSTGu8z1NAc5sLZfLSf+Wr43t0Z9fKiFqTBc5k4ZG6xRjBUtBtPpAH6QKs2vuPvYHJTRX2HVDnf6zfcdxA+sdy5ri9cSHdgF1A= Received: by 10.78.127.2 with SMTP id z2mr112657huc; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:13:31 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.428, required 6, AWL 1.57, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/8/06, Todd wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/8/06, Sick Twist wrote: > >> >From: "Chuck Hast" > >> >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >> >To: slug@nks.net > >> >Subject: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 > >> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:23 -0400 > >> > > >> >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic > >> it was > >> >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have > >> >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic > >> >card > >> >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan > >> >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the > >> >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the > >> >wireless > >> >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless > >> >params > >> >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that > >> it is > >> >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure > >> >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > >> >but it was like that with 10.0 too. > >> > >> I'm not sure if SuSE uses this method but my Ubuntu box uses > >> /etc/iftab to > >> allow the user to define interface names. Check out man iftab. > >> > > > > It is not there. I looked for it but can not find it. There is a man > > page for it > > but no file. > > > Have you seen this article from SuSE? It explains how and why network > devices are named. > > http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/index.html?page=/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/sec_basicnet_manconf.html > OK, I read it. Still not sure where to poke, it sort of looks like that is the way it is. It all appears to work ok, it just does not look right having a wireless nic card assigned eth1.... Will continue to poke at it and try to see how to make it assign the wifi as wlan0. Tnx again... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 23:18:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793ILG5010350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:18:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k793ILMB010349 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:18:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793IK9B010345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:18:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793IK4p013118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:18:20 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793I4g8026597 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:18:05 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so336494qbe for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:18:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Eer/44/NXnG2GRym6poeiA/NlrhmqD2RX2/Qkb3zc3ZM7UeW6EdukUkAfnbZrPM+xJewtqukS+NhMCn1ob094VcpjoCu3/zuZk8B+fpR9BVmdQiWRE1GKKeQNkXEyRSzhs5gKrwXXsd9Guc4wmsGjym5nKsfjBk5HklWxvZwxcY= Received: by 10.78.175.8 with SMTP id x8mr121999hue; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608082018s5e2b6b02j85ddf291f31cee6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:18:03 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.927, required 6, AWL 0.33, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks, A friend of mine sent me a DWG file, I have been looking for a linux DWG viewer, but so far have only found one, Lx-Viewer, when you go to pull it down they tell you that you have to go and get some libraries from another location, you go there and that place tells you that you have to fill out a form and MAIL or FAX it to them so they can CONSIDER it for recommendation. WHAT a crock.... There are a bazillion viewers for winders but so far seem to be pissing in the wind as to Linux. Sure seems that they make it hard to just look at some files. Any other recommendations? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 8 23:44:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793iBSV010529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:44:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k793iBO9010528 for slug-track29; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:44:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793iAAE010524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:44:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793iAS5014213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:44:10 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.239]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k793hpCi032735 for ; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:43:51 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so339723qbe for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:43:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JW2mxpvB3seb2An1z9R375tzWs2lOjw3BKUBEPpI8rSXZartxRRdi7HAiB/G2mcWz6rUFh89CvONq2FjpjemyU8s92N7NYT7QBmlDZpLPuVXF3pdVtzKHWKMQMrSdHUYzwkMmDFDPZPATHhzwgpMQG0bEDvodnX5/lY5nTp+yGk= Received: by 10.78.175.8 with SMTP id x8mr128126hue; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608082043m32ee93f6gb28ba060ca1990f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:43:49 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.802, required 6, AWL -0.03, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, TW_CF 0.08, TW_HW 0.08, TW_WC 0.08, UPPERCASE_25_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/8/06, Chuck Hast wrote: Clean up all of the quoting... Here is what I have for the /etc/sysconfig/network ifcfg-wlan-id-00:0e:35:99:d1:09 = wifi nic ifcfg-wlan-id-00:11:25:2f:5c:1e = wired nic Here is the ifconfig listing RF-mobile:/etc/sysconfig/network # ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:25:2F:5C:1E UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Base address:0x8000 Memory:c0220000-c0240000 This one is the wifi nic: eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:35:99:D1:09 inet addr:192.168.1.200 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:648 errors:0 dropped:26 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:363 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:304114 (296.9 Kb) TX bytes:75990 (74.2 Kb) Interrupt:11 Base address:0x4000 Memory:c0214000-c0214fff Here is the content of ifcfg-wlan-id-00:11:25:2f:5c:1e As you can see it thinks that the wired card is a wifi nic. The whole thing works, but I think that it makes for delays and other weirdness. RF-mobile:/etc/sysconfig/network # cat ifcfg-wlan-id-00\:11\:25\:2f\:5c\:1e BOOTPROTO='dhcp' BROADCAST='' IPADDR='' MTU='' NAME='IBM PRO/1000 MT Mobile Connection' NETMASK='' NETWORK='' REMOTE_IPADDR='' STARTMODE='ifplugd' UNIQUE='rBUF.tqwo9I3YIvF' USERCONTROL='no' WIRELESS_AP='' WIRELESS_AUTH_MODE='open' WIRELESS_BITRATE='auto' WIRELESS_CA_CERT='' WIRELESS_CHANNEL='' WIRELESS_CLIENT_CERT='' WIRELESS_DEFAULT_KEY='0' WIRELESS_ESSID='any' WIRELESS_FREQUENCY='' WIRELESS_KEY='' WIRELESS_KEY_0='' WIRELESS_KEY_1='' WIRELESS_KEY_2='' WIRELESS_KEY_3='' WIRELESS_KEY_LENGTH='128' WIRELESS_MODE='Managed' WIRELESS_NICK='' WIRELESS_NWID='' WIRELESS_POWER='yes' WIRELESS_WPA_IDENTITY='' WIRELESS_WPA_PASSWORD='' WIRELESS_WPA_PSK='' _nm_name='bus-pci-0000:02:01.0' IFPLUGD_PRIORITY='10' RF-mobile:/etc/sysconfig/network # I did find these two in the /etc/sysconfig/hardware directory, the first one is the wifi nic. RF-mobile:/etc/sysconfig/hardware # cat hwcfg-bus-pci-0000\:02\:02.0 MODULE='ipw2200' MODULE_OPTIONS='' STARTMODE='auto' RF-mobile:/etc/sysconfig/hardware # cat hwcfg-bus-pci-0000\:02\:01.0 MODULE='e1000' MODULE_OPTIONS='' STARTMODE='auto' RF-mobile:/etc/sysconfig/hardware # -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 00:20:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794KsQu010887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:20:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k794Kspv010886 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:20:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794Kr3W010882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:20:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794Kr4C018042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:20:53 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.233]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794KhOK010990 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:20:43 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so344787qbe for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:20:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S233isHS2LzzPqEUrbzh6RjU+TCRdFoKnBtxad2jj0PXGSV9SLsdNo2EQTCQ2oLECv/zzAjyoUc2YQhjrbZ5rFdBdmYHdTjPPMHExe7vnz195y6StOKmveMUsg4Z2BJZ3VxtNFHjCyXzPTKWWHNaXfOnmm8zf/hviLnkYCqATP4= Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr136816hue; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608082120v6109c650qc81b367480f33d33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:20:41 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <620c90570608082043m32ee93f6gb28ba060ca1990f3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608082043m32ee93f6gb28ba060ca1990f3@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.896, required 6, AWL 0.29, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Found it!! it was under: /etc/udev/rules.d/30-net_persistent_names.rules Boy what a mess, but the wifi nic now is marked correctly now to figure out how to get all of the wireless stuff out of the wired nic... Another project... By way, now the wireless nic comes on line a LOT faster.... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 00:24:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794OrQN010918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:24:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k794OrQb010917 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:24:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794OrS8010913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:24:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794Oq3H018467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:24:52 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794OVpa029001 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:24:32 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l35so16859nfa for ; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:24:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=geTuP+yFB5Cvka2gsmRIAGd7x0hazp60ThPFnwm5nSuqz/6ICbzMrIJaCLer/IMwHxPeVQLQdIxZRhXD3V+SNVSpvkRlsR6S+XFe44AbX0o1MBA78nPhK2OrBdnU1T2AMQZgLFJRDTmrfdMcCUJVT3JQs3BEHkmfVhBMmvuWeSg= Received: by 10.49.29.2 with SMTP id g2mr1119705nfj; Tue, 08 Aug 2006 21:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Aug 2006 21:24:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608082124u42394696tf9e3ca24f1237fd6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 23:24:30 -0500 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2609_29976745.1155097470455" References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.298, required 6, AWL -1.09, BAYES_40 -0.18, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2609_29976745.1155097470455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/8/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/8/06, Todd wrote: > > Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/8/06, Sick Twist wrote: > > >> >From: "Chuck Hast" > > >> >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > >> >To: slug@nks.net > > >> >Subject: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 > > >> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:23 -0400 > > >> > > > >> >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic > > >> it was > > >> >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I > have > > >> >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired > nic > > >> >card > > >> >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the > wlan > > >> >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle > the > > >> >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard > the > > >> >wireless > > >> >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of > wireless > > >> >params > > >> >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that > > >> it is > > >> >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not > sure > > >> >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1, > > >> >but it was like that with 10.0 too. > > >> > > >> I'm not sure if SuSE uses this method but my Ubuntu box uses > > >> /etc/iftab to > > >> allow the user to define interface names. Check out man iftab. > > >> > > > > > > It is not there. I looked for it but can not find it. There is a man > > > page for it > > > but no file. > > > > > Have you seen this article from SuSE? It explains how and why network > > devices are named. > > > > > http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/index.html?page=/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/sec_basicnet_manconf.html > > > OK, I read it. Still not sure where to poke, it sort of looks like > that is the way > it is. It all appears to work ok, it just does not look right having a > wireless > nic card assigned eth1.... > > Will continue to poke at it and try to see how to make it assign the wifi > as > wlan0. > Tnx again... I'm not sure if I understand the problem.... What does it matter whether it's eth1 or wlan0? My eth1 has been running fine... Care to enlighten me on why this is an issue? -- > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > To paraphrase my flight instructor; > "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going > out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn > and twisted metal." > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_2609_29976745.1155097470455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 8/8/06, Chuck Hast <wchast@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/8/06, Todd <dumb-ass@acpdata.com> wrote:
> Chuck Hast wrote:
> > On 8/8/06, Sick Twist <thesicktwist@hotmail.com > wrote:
> >> >From: "Chuck Hast" <wchast@gmail.com>
> >> >Reply-To: slug@nks.net
> >> >To: slug@nks.net
> >> >Subject: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1
> >> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 09:17:23 -0400
> >> >
> >> >I was under the impression that when you set up a wireless lan nic
> >> it was
> >> >assigned a device name of wlan something. Indeed on my desktop I have
> >> >a wireless lan card and the wireless lan device is wlan0, the wired nic
> >> >card
> >> >is eth0. But on my laptop eth0 is the wired device and eth1 is the wlan
> >> >device, It appears that the nic management tool is trying to handle the
> >> >ethernet device as though it was a wireless nic. I just disregard the
> >> >wireless
> >> >stuff for it, but it is not logical to step through a bunch of wireless
> >> >params
> >> >for a wired nic. What is involved in changing eth1 to wlan0? so that
> >> it is
> >> >more like what I am used to with other wireless card installs? Not sure
> >> >why the system has set it's self up this way. I am using SuSE 10.1,
> >> >but it was like that with 10.0 too.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure if SuSE uses this method but my Ubuntu box uses
> >> /etc/iftab to
> >> allow the user to define interface names. Check out man iftab.
> >>
> >
> > It is not there. I looked for it but can not find it. There is a man
> > page for it
> > but no file.
> >
> Have you seen this article from SuSE? It explains how and why network
> devices are named.
>
> http://www.novell.com/documentation/suse10/index.html?page=/documentation/suse10/adminguide/data/sec_basicnet_manconf.html
>
OK, I read it. Still not sure where to poke, it sort of looks like
that is the way
it is. It all appears to work ok, it just does not look right having a wireless
nic card assigned eth1....

Will continue to poke at it and try to see how to make it assign the wifi as
wlan0.
Tnx again...


I'm not sure if I understand the problem.... What does it matter whether it's eth1 or wlan0?  My eth1 has been running fine... Care to enlighten me on why this is an issue?


--
Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
To paraphrase my flight instructor;
"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."
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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 00:25:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794PX0u010935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:25:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k794PX6J010934 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:25:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794PXS3010930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:25:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794PW82018555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:25:33 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k794PFZT029127 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:25:15 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k794PDD8005599 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GAfd3-0007zH-8K for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:25:13 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 00:25:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608082043m32ee93f6gb28ba060ca1990f3@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608082120v6109c650qc81b367480f33d33@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608082120v6109c650qc81b367480f33d33@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608090025.12513.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.541, required 6, AWL -1.76, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 09 August 2006 00:20, Chuck Hast wrote: > Found it!! it was under: > /etc/udev/rules.d/30-net_persistent_names.rules > Boy what a mess, but the wifi nic now is marked correctly now to figure out > how to get all of the wireless stuff out of the wired nic... Another > project... By way, now the wireless nic comes on line a LOT faster.... Victory! -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 01:38:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795cSDB011523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:38:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k795cS5M011522 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:38:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795cS6Y011518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:38:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795cSLS023002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:38:28 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795cAQH011634 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:38:10 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.197.205] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.42d) id 34LGZ00 for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:38:08 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:50:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608070728j5c72085crba2ad773374cd0ef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608070728j5c72085crba2ad773374cd0ef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608090150.24177.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.351, required 6, AWL 1.15, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 07 August 2006 10:28, Levi Bard wrote: > Actually, if you already have the vob, you shouldn't need to rerun > dvdauthor (completely). > > Try: > mkdir -p dvdfs/VIDEO_TS dvdfs/AUDIO_TS > mv mymovie.vob dvdfs/VIDEO_TS > dvdauthor -T -o dvdfs (should be near-instant) > growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/ > > I'm not sure why growisofs would complain - I've burned images larger > than 4.2G with it before... Hi Levi, Thanks for replying. Yes, I also have burnt images to 4.37GB or whatever the actual limit is. Well, I tried what you said and here is what I got. ---------------------------------------------------------------- bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder -dvd-video dvdfs/ Executing 'mkisofs -dvd-video dvdfs/ | builtin_dd of=/dev/dvdrecorder obs=32k seek=0' INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, use -input-charset to override. mkisofs: Value too large for defined data type. File dvdfs/VIDEO_TS/output.vob is too large :-( write failed: Input/output error bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I tried an "-overburn" also. Same result. Usually an overburn will work, no? Even if it cuts off the end of the image, no? I also checked the properties of the file. It said"Size 4.2GB (4,542,660,724B)" Maybe that is the problem? Thanks for trying to help make this work. Appreciated. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 01:56:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795uSrT011649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:56:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k795uSWk011648 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:56:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795uRQu011644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:56:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795uRfh023678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:56:27 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k795uLfO019813 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 01:56:21 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3P00GCQV5GPT99@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 00:56:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:56:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? In-reply-to: <200608090150.24177.rnr@sanctum.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608070728j5c72085crba2ad773374cd0ef@mail.gmail.com> <200608090150.24177.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.44, required 6, AWL -0.76, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > On Monday 07 August 2006 10:28, Levi Bard wrote: >> Actually, if you already have the vob, you shouldn't need to rerun >> dvdauthor (completely). >> >> Try: >> mkdir -p dvdfs/VIDEO_TS dvdfs/AUDIO_TS >> mv mymovie.vob dvdfs/VIDEO_TS >> dvdauthor -T -o dvdfs (should be near-instant) >> growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/ >> >> I'm not sure why growisofs would complain - I've burned images larger >> than 4.2G with it before... > > Hi Levi, > Thanks for replying. Yes, I also have burnt images to 4.37GB or whatever the > actual limit is. > > Well, I tried what you said and here is what I got. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder -dvd-video dvdfs/ > Executing 'mkisofs -dvd-video dvdfs/ | builtin_dd of=/dev/dvdrecorder obs=32k > seek=0' > INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. > Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, > use -input-charset to override. > mkisofs: Value too large for defined data type. File dvdfs/VIDEO_TS/output.vob > is too large How big is that file? > :-( write failed: Input/output error > bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > I tried an "-overburn" also. Same result. Usually an overburn will work, no? > Even if it cuts off the end of the image, no? > I also checked the properties of the file. It said"Size 4.2GB > (4,542,660,724B)" Maybe that is the problem? > > Thanks for trying to help make this work. Appreciated. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 08:24:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79COU0Z015061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:24:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k79COUcV015060 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:24:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79COUmj015056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:24:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79COUbP013211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:24:30 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79COErm023599 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:24:15 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:24:12 -0400 Message-ID: <44D9D446.7020809@acpdata.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:25:42 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608082043m32ee93f6gb28ba060ca1990f3@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608082120v6109c650qc81b367480f33d33@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608082120v6109c650qc81b367480f33d33@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.677, required 6, AWL -0.82, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Found it!! it was under: > /etc/udev/rules.d/30-net_persistent_names.rules > Boy what a mess, but the wifi nic now is marked correctly now to > figure out > how to get all of the wireless stuff out of the wired nic... Another > project... > By way, now the wireless nic comes on line a LOT faster.... > Would of never thought to look there - - good job! ./Todd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 08:54:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79Cs4VW015263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:54:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k79Cs4RV015262 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:54:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79Cs496015258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:54:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79Cs4nC014892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:54:04 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79Crm5i011969 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:53:49 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:53:47 -0400 Message-ID: <44D9DB35.7060403@acpdata.com> Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:55:17 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux References: <620c90570608082018s5e2b6b02j85ddf291f31cee6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608082018s5e2b6b02j85ddf291f31cee6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.501, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Folks, > A friend of mine sent me a DWG file, I have been looking for a linux DWG > viewer, but so far have only found one, Lx-Viewer, when you go to pull it > down they tell you that you have to go and get some libraries from > another > location, you go there and that place tells you that you have to fill > out a > form and MAIL or FAX it to them so they can CONSIDER it for > recommendation. > WHAT a crock.... There are a bazillion viewers for winders but so far > seem > to be pissing in the wind as to Linux. > > Sure seems that they make it hard to just look at some files. Any other > recommendations? > Safvision.com might help - if your file is under 2 megabytes. << doubtful for a cad file. Possibly something under wine? I do know that it is extremely easy to have the designer save as postscript or pdf instead of the headache dwg file. I can sent you Bentley's Viewer (64 MB) if you want to attempt to wine it. ../Todd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 11:07:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79F7tC3016364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:07:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k79F7ttK016363 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:07:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79F7t5C016359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:07:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79F7spg021096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:07:54 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.201]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79F7etW017792 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 11:07:40 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so59550nzi for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:07:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KsP1Ppq3PQ/hPbABW8CLX8UykJo0ATZFVFCq7btIs2uW3cnfqa+DsSWAFQsy71ctg0MYzJPUcBvUVO0ZdQHb/Utp4d7Pkj1WSHDCCb1tJNs/TPzdbz9qeXlfQorGwn5Fgbvp1b3sfZXNQJjFe0QueWYxsuglUeN2R8/EzVt7ENg= Received: by 10.35.100.6 with SMTP id c6mr1753846pym; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 08:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608090807nb9f8632h4f687ac65390bd61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 10:07:40 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? In-Reply-To: <200608090150.24177.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> <44D386F1.8000507@blenke.com> <1a3a3e310608070728j5c72085crba2ad773374cd0ef@mail.gmail.com> <200608090150.24177.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.56, required 6, AWL -1.31, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, TW_GT 0.08, TW_PG 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I tried an "-overburn" also. Same result. Usually an overburn will work, no? > Even if it cuts off the end of the image, no? > I also checked the properties of the file. It said"Size 4.2GB > (4,542,660,724B)" Maybe that is the problem? > > Thanks for trying to help make this work. Appreciated. OH! (Forehead slap) Even though a DVD can be up to 4.37G, the maximum size for a single VOB is (iirc) 1G. It looks like you had trouble processing the vob directly with dvdauthor before; I've had this sometimes, and demuxing/remuxing the mpeg stream can help. (install mpgtx and mjpegtools) mpgdemux movie.mpg mplex -f 8 chunk* -o movie.mpg rm -rf dvdfs/ dvdauthor -o dvdfs movie.mpg dvdauthor -T -o dvdfs growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/ -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 19:34:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79NYYDZ020493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:34:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k79NYY2L020492 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:34:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79NYYT8020488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:34:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79NYXPG011100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:34:34 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.229]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79NYONr015139 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:34:24 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so33150hub for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:34:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HiX+gMKBrA7WQRm7enMMPCxGkR7bC2uSUMUs6mPc1NiQmpme7En0yw40vSlwlcCoG/HLtoMvuZ4jTWUrbWpmcGgCQWjphEyb3FtBIn8LcFMYptXyYIPaW5Q17lDHVwWM2g0WVhaqT9x1a/iocLHVz0QNr1kJSkUwvrVbtp5AYlw= Received: by 10.78.120.6 with SMTP id s6mr820241huc; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608091634i66091111lecf5cbcb44a0e1d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:34:22 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] eth1 or wlan1 In-Reply-To: <44D9D446.7020809@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608070617xf869e5eu9753b09e57b46d84@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608081105o10f18621pb9bfe106d14e1b2d@mail.gmail.com> <44D8F3BE.8070609@acpdata.com> <620c90570608082013p65698f37md7b3cc809a08d6cc@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608082043m32ee93f6gb28ba060ca1990f3@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608082120v6109c650qc81b367480f33d33@mail.gmail.com> <44D9D446.7020809@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.132, required 6, AWL 0.53, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/9/06, Todd wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > Found it!! it was under: > > /etc/udev/rules.d/30-net_persistent_names.rules > > Boy what a mess, but the wifi nic now is marked correctly now to > > figure out > > how to get all of the wireless stuff out of the wired nic... Another > > project... > > By way, now the wireless nic comes on line a LOT faster.... > > > Would of never thought to look there - - good job! It was in the Novell info, I just started looking at all of the different scripts and seeing what they did and when I got to that one there it was just as plain as day. Changed it and now it appears to be OK, Just have to clean up the configuration for eth0, it thinks that nic is a wifi card too and so it goes through the list of wifi parameters and then will finally get on line after a bit. Got to figure out how to tell it to use just plain old ethernet params. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 19:41:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79Nfa3U020568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:41:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k79NfaTa020567 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:41:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79NfaV8020563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:41:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79NfZL7011373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:41:36 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.235]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k79NfJx8019809 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:41:19 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so34173hub for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:41:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WKVp9siVjxnWCHo7EofOC9xEnOLYCLu48JzLA9vvN9br6nqUDD8QYuDEqVyy+jy6GIAF67UKVGytrIQgkYgV9XVOM0mlhfWPaxvPnzWD41tut7uuqTdXkrjnYiCNQ+f0Zk6Soe9E2IqkBC8Nr/9bPyZCo0qtBznELj23TS9LXoI= Received: by 10.78.116.19 with SMTP id o19mr816500huc; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608091641uf97d146j3519faadb639a4de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:41:18 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux In-Reply-To: <44D9DB35.7060403@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608082018s5e2b6b02j85ddf291f31cee6@mail.gmail.com> <44D9DB35.7060403@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.902, required 6, AWL 0.30, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/9/06, Todd wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > Folks, > > A friend of mine sent me a DWG file, I have been looking for a linux DWG > > viewer, but so far have only found one, Lx-Viewer, when you go to pull it > > down they tell you that you have to go and get some libraries from > > another > > location, you go there and that place tells you that you have to fill > > out a > > form and MAIL or FAX it to them so they can CONSIDER it for > > recommendation. > > WHAT a crock.... There are a bazillion viewers for winders but so far > > seem > > to be pissing in the wind as to Linux. > > > > Sure seems that they make it hard to just look at some files. Any other > > recommendations? > > > Safvision.com might help - if your file is under 2 megabytes. << > doubtful for a cad file. Possibly something under wine? > I do know that it is extremely easy to have the designer save as > postscript or pdf instead of the headache dwg file. I can sent you > Bentley's Viewer (64 MB) if you want to attempt to wine it. Ratz... the file is 3.945M in size so that blows that out of the water... I may have to intall wine and try that. I was hoping for a Linux viewer, Auto- Desk is so anal... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 21:19:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1JM9I021400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A1JM7t021399 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1JMPu021395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1JMi2015793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:22 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1JEMt015530 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:14 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7A1JCBK013549 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608100119.k7A1JCBK013549@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:19:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: Aca8DXKboZXwPcyTSBGJEyyKg5K40AADD7lw In-reply-to: <620c90570608091641uf97d146j3519faadb639a4de@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.508, required 6, AWL -3.24, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I was hoping for a Linux viewer, Auto- Desk is so anal... Try: http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/ AutoCAD was developed on Unix until Release 13. That's when the new CTO Robert Carr started the complete re-write based on Win32. Frankly, he had no choice. Release 12 sucked on Windows, and that's where the action is in CAD. A multi platform option didn't work for them. Microstation seems to have done much better, but there are lots of structural differences between those programs. You might ask the author of the DWG file to provide it in another format. Autodesk keeps changing the DWG format, and the latest versions are said to have encryption. It costs so much to reverse engineer the format, that all their competitors use OpenDWG (OpenDesign.com). It cost money, so you won't see any open source app use it. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:41 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux On 8/9/06, Todd wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > Folks, > > A friend of mine sent me a DWG file, I have been looking for a linux > > DWG viewer, but so far have only found one, Lx-Viewer, when you go > > to pull it down they tell you that you have to go and get some > > libraries from another location, you go there and that place tells > > you that you have to fill out a form and MAIL or FAX it to them so > > they can CONSIDER it for recommendation. > > WHAT a crock.... There are a bazillion viewers for winders but so > > far seem to be pissing in the wind as to Linux. > > > > Sure seems that they make it hard to just look at some files. Any > > other recommendations? > > > Safvision.com might help - if your file is under 2 megabytes. << > doubtful for a cad file. Possibly something under wine? > I do know that it is extremely easy to have the designer save as > postscript or pdf instead of the headache dwg file. I can sent you > Bentley's Viewer (64 MB) if you want to attempt to wine it. Ratz... the file is 3.945M in size so that blows that out of the water... I may have to intall wine and try that. I was hoping for a Linux viewer, Auto- Desk is so anal... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 21:30:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1ULLH021503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:30:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A1UL9G021502 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:30:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1ULSK021498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:30:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1UK0c016189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:30:20 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.225]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1U1B7021356 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:30:01 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so48253hub for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:29:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=L+RECjFl36SJYM5NEYi36eMML2qbDQ5Rkc7xkx4VWGxHKxkR329xv/mcWp5eulndbBRYfU3BWMRabaJA58nvUOKV5i5gSIyLXESgjmemJ/RqTWHwTWcFy7ceumNoDdW1jIoC/PXFIDDZe5oI5C6JIA/SsRrToRxDcb7nzcTudX4= Received: by 10.78.122.11 with SMTP id u11mr915200huc; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608091829r6e9a9144hb8d9a49f654a5c2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:29:54 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux In-Reply-To: <200608100119.k7A1JCBK013549@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608091641uf97d146j3519faadb639a4de@mail.gmail.com> <200608100119.k7A1JCBK013549@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.586, required 6, AWL -0.01, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/9/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> I was hoping for a Linux viewer, Auto- Desk is so anal... > > Try: > http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/ > I looked at that, indeed was going to use it, but it told me I needed libraries from OpenDWG, I went there and you have to fill out a form and send to them in the post (or by fax and they reply snail mail) in order for the to determine if you merit the lib files... Don't have time for such stupidity. > AutoCAD was developed on Unix until Release 13. That's when the new CTO > Robert Carr started the complete re-write based on Win32. Frankly, he had > no choice. Release 12 sucked on Windows, and that's where the action is in > CAD. A multi platform option didn't work for them. Microstation seems to > have done much better, but there are lots of structural differences between > those programs. > > You might ask the author of the DWG file to provide it in another format. > Autodesk keeps changing the DWG format, and the latest versions are said to > have encryption. It costs so much to reverse engineer the format, that all > their competitors use OpenDWG (OpenDesign.com). It cost money, so you won't > see any open source app use it. > I just sent him a note asking him if he could export it to a pdf, then I will be OK. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 21:36:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1abD1021547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:36:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A1abnY021546 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:36:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1aaGo021542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:36:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1aaBU016445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:36:36 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1aGNs008642 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:36:17 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7A1aFH4025399 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608100136.k7A1aFH4025399@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:36:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: Aca8HOfCdWu8+iEmRjeqQPh+ma0VigAADlRQ In-reply-to: <620c90570608091829r6e9a9144hb8d9a49f654a5c2b@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.92, required 6, AWL -1.83, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Don't have time for such stupidity. Considering that the libraries are not free, and they need legal documents, I wouldn't call it stupidity. I know those guys and they are pretty sharp. They walk a fine line, and can't simply give away the software the way you'd like. But they are far more helpful than Autodesk. That's for sure... Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:30 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux On 8/9/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> I was hoping for a Linux viewer, Auto- Desk is so anal... > > Try: > http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/ > I looked at that, indeed was going to use it, but it told me I needed libraries from OpenDWG, I went there and you have to fill out a form and send to them in the post (or by fax and they reply snail mail) in order for the to determine if you merit the lib files... Don't have time for such stupidity. > AutoCAD was developed on Unix until Release 13. That's when the new > CTO Robert Carr started the complete re-write based on Win32. > Frankly, he had no choice. Release 12 sucked on Windows, and that's > where the action is in CAD. A multi platform option didn't work for > them. Microstation seems to have done much better, but there are lots > of structural differences between those programs. > > You might ask the author of the DWG file to provide it in another format. > Autodesk keeps changing the DWG format, and the latest versions are > said to have encryption. It costs so much to reverse engineer the > format, that all their competitors use OpenDWG (OpenDesign.com). It > cost money, so you won't see any open source app use it. > I just sent him a note asking him if he could export it to a pdf, then I will be OK. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 21:51:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1pZFa021657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:51:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A1pZ15021656 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:51:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1pYDa021652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:51:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1pYHM017056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:51:34 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1pKT7018127 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:51:20 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [72.64.165.123] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.42d) id 1W9C800 for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:51:17 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:03:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> <200608090150.24177.rnr@sanctum.com> <1a3a3e310608090807nb9f8632h4f687ac65390bd61@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608090807nb9f8632h4f687ac65390bd61@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608092203.40774.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.109, required 6, AWL -1.86, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, TW_GT 0.08, TW_PG 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 09 August 2006 11:07, Levi Bard wrote: > > I tried an "-overburn" also. Same result. Usually an overburn will work, > > no? Even if it cuts off the end of the image, no? > > I also checked the properties of the file. It said"Size 4.2GB > > (4,542,660,724B)" Maybe that is the problem? > > > > Thanks for trying to help make this work. Appreciated. > > OH! (Forehead slap) Even though a DVD can be up to 4.37G, the > maximum size for a single VOB is (iirc) 1G. It looks like you had > trouble processing the vob directly with dvdauthor before; I've had > this sometimes, and demuxing/remuxing the mpeg stream can help. > > (install mpgtx and mjpegtools) > mpgdemux movie.mpg > mplex -f 8 chunk* -o movie.mpg > rm -rf dvdfs/ > dvdauthor -o dvdfs movie.mpg > dvdauthor -T -o dvdfs > growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/ Thanks Levi, Will give it a try within the next couple of days. Will be busy with children visiting from out of State. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 21:53:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1rEsS021678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:53:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A1rEaM021677 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:53:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1rEvb021673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:53:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1rDal017090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:53:14 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1r1N9023729 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:53:01 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [72.64.165.123] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.42d) id 1W9CO00 for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 21:52:59 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] growisofs limitation?? Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:05:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200608032313.14473.rnr@sanctum.com> <200608090150.24177.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608092205.22605.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.101, required 6, AWL -1.10, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 09 August 2006 01:56, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > > On Monday 07 August 2006 10:28, Levi Bard wrote: > >> Actually, if you already have the vob, you shouldn't need to rerun > >> dvdauthor (completely). > >> > >> Try: > >> mkdir -p dvdfs/VIDEO_TS dvdfs/AUDIO_TS > >> mv mymovie.vob dvdfs/VIDEO_TS > >> dvdauthor -T -o dvdfs (should be near-instant) > >> growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvdfs/ > >> > >> I'm not sure why growisofs would complain - I've burned images larger > >> than 4.2G with it before... > > > > Hi Levi, > > Thanks for replying. Yes, I also have burnt images to 4.37GB or whatever > > the actual limit is. > > > > Well, I tried what you said and here is what I got. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrecorder -dvd-video > > dvdfs/ Executing 'mkisofs -dvd-video dvdfs/ | builtin_dd > > of=/dev/dvdrecorder obs=32k seek=0' > > INFO: UTF-8 character encoding detected by locale settings. > > Assuming UTF-8 encoded filenames on source filesystem, > > use -input-charset to override. > > mkisofs: Value too large for defined data type. File > > dvdfs/VIDEO_TS/output.vob is too large > > How big is that file? Eben, Next paragraph down. Thanks, Bob S. > > > :-( write failed: Input/output error > > > > bob@EasyStreet:/datastorage> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I tried an "-overburn" also. Same result. Usually an overburn will work, > > no? Even if it cuts off the end of the image, no? > > I also checked the properties of the file. It said"Size 4.2GB > > (4,542,660,724B)" Maybe that is the problem? > > > > Thanks for trying to help make this work. Appreciated. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 21:56:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1uTSL021706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A1uTwB021705 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1uSiN021701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1uSuH017190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:28 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.233]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A1uB00005880 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:11 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so52303hub for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f3Weth7O1Ea2BGak6K9Mj5lX0efog18P9tiRGTfCwM6VT/N2vR11lrR79+myENUQ1gvleREfiagQmxt3fVa8ts1OlNmP7rscs53T5bBQu2AzbJMhcBquXHYgZiBBeHGiYF3Sv96HRqmqpKGDssrqc45iQznbrAZQfRDQvCMW8TU= Received: by 10.78.127.6 with SMTP id z6mr946966huc; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608091856r3108d7c1n6c8845fc07f119cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:56:09 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux In-Reply-To: <200608100136.k7A1aFH4025399@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608091829r6e9a9144hb8d9a49f654a5c2b@mail.gmail.com> <200608100136.k7A1aFH4025399@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.369, required 6, AWL 0.77, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/9/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> Don't have time for such stupidity. > > Considering that the libraries are not free, and they need legal documents, > I wouldn't call it stupidity. > > I know those guys and they are pretty sharp. They walk a fine line, and > can't simply give away the software the way you'd like. But they are far > more helpful than Autodesk. That's for sure... > It is not so much a question of money (that is a question, but I do not mind paying reasonable amounts) but to have to wait for a reply in the post, that is the bugger. Why not use some form of e-mail and be done with it? How do they determine who is eligible or not? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 22:02:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A22FQ4021821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:02:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A22FrH021820 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:02:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A22Eoa021816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:02:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A22EIv017555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:02:14 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A21wIP010702 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:01:58 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7A21vkk002156 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608100201.k7A21vkk002156@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:02:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: Aca8IGz6B8iAJZicR9qRT/vAj3Hn3wAAD+Aw In-reply-to: <620c90570608091856r3108d7c1n6c8845fc07f119cb@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=4.179, required 6, AWL -1.57, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Why not use some form of e-mail and be done with it? How do they determine who is eligible or not? I suspect they need paper for legal reasons. It is a product for developers, not end users. That may be part of the problem. I'll ask Evan next time I see him. I agree that it is odd, but Evan would certainly do email unless there is a reason not to. He's one of the sharpest guys I know. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Hast Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 9:56 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux On 8/9/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> Don't have time for such stupidity. > > Considering that the libraries are not free, and they need legal > documents, I wouldn't call it stupidity. > > I know those guys and they are pretty sharp. They walk a fine line, > and can't simply give away the software the way you'd like. But they > are far more helpful than Autodesk. That's for sure... > It is not so much a question of money (that is a question, but I do not mind paying reasonable amounts) but to have to wait for a reply in the post, that is the bugger. Why not use some form of e-mail and be done with it? How do they determine who is eligible or not? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 22:26:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2QJnX022036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:26:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A2QJke022035 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:26:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2QJgB022031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:26:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2QIYC018467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:26:19 -0400 Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2Q7oK013585 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:26:07 -0400 Received: from dialup-4.247.215.217.dial1.tampa1.level3.net ([4.247.215.217]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GB0FK-0002EF-00 for slug@nks.net; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 22:26:06 -0400 From: Tim Wright Organization: home To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 21:30:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <620c90570608082018s5e2b6b02j85ddf291f31cee6@mail.gmail.com> <44D9DB35.7060403@acpdata.com> <620c90570608091641uf97d146j3519faadb639a4de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608091641uf97d146j3519faadb639a4de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608092130.50698.t.wright1@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.477, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.50) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 09 August 2006 7:41 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/9/06, Todd wrote: > > Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Folks, > > > A friend of mine sent me a DWG file, I have been looking for a linux > > > DWG viewer, but so far have only found one, Lx-Viewer, when you go to > > > pull it down they tell you that you have to go and get some libraries > > > from another > > > location, you go there and that place tells you that you have to fill > > > out a > > > form and MAIL or FAX it to them so they can CONSIDER it for > > > recommendation. > > > WHAT a crock.... There are a bazillion viewers for winders but so far > > > seem > > > to be pissing in the wind as to Linux. > > > > > > Sure seems that they make it hard to just look at some files. Any other > > > recommendations? > > > > Safvision.com might help - if your file is under 2 megabytes. << > > doubtful for a cad file. Possibly something under wine? > > I do know that it is extremely easy to have the designer save as > > postscript or pdf instead of the headache dwg file. I can sent you > > Bentley's Viewer (64 MB) if you want to attempt to wine it. > > Ratz... the file is 3.945M in size so that blows that out of the water... > > > I may have to intall wine and try that. I was hoping for a Linux viewer, > Auto- Desk is so anal... If you can get the owner of the DWG file to send you a DXF translation, you can open it with one of several Linux CAD program out there: CadStd, Q-Cad, etc. I've been meaning to see if VoloView works under Wine. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 22:40:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2eKq1022155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:40:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A2eKMH022154 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:40:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2eJT3022150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:40:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2eJTS018944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:40:19 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.235]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2e0mS027082 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:40:00 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so287610qbe for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:39:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O8iPrLvDOQ9MSGQWIrKy1na45P2W+atVAoN3WLdUIPTmnndMq/SsW1OBZrAJN8TVSCHlDxkYhIEyLBVSajMzzPTz9yG2/7pws4pDmjyw5ekDwAcCrNgedVhyTKp85IB8ZJvP8Y4S1hnRh4Cbrmsulnz1PYQ6bnQ1puoIyv9JFxI= Received: by 10.78.124.2 with SMTP id w2mr960521huc; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608091939u62d32022odabb5ebe7cdf02b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:39:58 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux In-Reply-To: <200608100201.k7A21vkk002156@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608091856r3108d7c1n6c8845fc07f119cb@mail.gmail.com> <200608100201.k7A21vkk002156@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.809, required 6, AWL 0.21, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/9/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> Why not use some form of e-mail and be done with it? How do they > determine who is eligible or not? > > I suspect they need paper for legal reasons. It is a product for > developers, not end users. That may be part of the problem. I'll ask Evan > next time I see him. I agree that it is odd, but Evan would certainly do > email unless there is a reason not to. He's one of the sharpest guys I > know. > Must be, I filled out the on line part, and it then passed me to a .pdf down- load which I have to read and initial on each page and send it back snail mail... I just saw a e-mail come in from them and it shows a login and password, so perhaps I can get the files without waiting on the approval. If so then it is not such a problem. The combination of filling the thing out and being told in print that they had to have the document to progress on sure made it look like there was nothing to be done until after the document was received by them. Then the e-mail came in, I shall see. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 9 22:43:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2hPlc022181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:43:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7A2hPsb022180 for slug-track29; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:43:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2hPk8022176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:43:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2hP0N019077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:43:25 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.237]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7A2h8Q2028140 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:43:08 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so288041qbe for ; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:43:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fwUvF4ntafqWmiHdq9qCYykU0lCI0iYU79bh8UzladVc8nNg7qrsjVdmDqnN/ognlQ7lhD3x6VlFLwo91mufNu2tGMGhSjevDbXKPaH95Bqkc9G/6abZicF/JhDEcazLvgYnsUnRiID/YVL4cK1cikJxD7mBedpKnSVhhkPuZ5A= Received: by 10.78.127.6 with SMTP id z6mr980533huc; Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608091943p5f2488b0x11875469efcf42d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:43:06 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] DWG Viewer for linux In-Reply-To: <620c90570608091939u62d32022odabb5ebe7cdf02b7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608091856r3108d7c1n6c8845fc07f119cb@mail.gmail.com> <200608100201.k7A21vkk002156@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608091939u62d32022odabb5ebe7cdf02b7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.588, required 6, AWL -0.01, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/9/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/9/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > > >> Why not use some form of e-mail and be done with it? How do they > > determine who is eligible or not? > > > > I suspect they need paper for legal reasons. It is a product for > > developers, not end users. That may be part of the problem. I'll ask Evan > > next time I see him. I agree that it is odd, but Evan would certainly do > > email unless there is a reason not to. He's one of the sharpest guys I > > know. > > > Must be, I filled out the on line part, and it then passed me to a .pdf down- > load which I have to read and initial on each page and send it back snail > mail... > > I just saw a e-mail come in from them and it shows a login and password, > so perhaps I can get the files without waiting on the approval. If so then it > is not such a problem. The combination of filling the thing out and being > told in print that they had to have the document to progress on sure made it > look like there was nothing to be done until after the document was received > by them. Then the e-mail came in, I shall see. > -- Just tried to log in and it blocked me, said I had to send in the document first... Ohh welll, so much for that I guess. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 10 20:38:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B0c58F000703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:38:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7B0c5da000702 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:38:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B0c4o5000698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:38:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B0c47E019473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:38:04 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.231]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B0biZx012546 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:37:44 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so493623qbe for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:37:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VyNQH8EXcG2TsJTvTU3UTzP7eyfw7sqLU9N3l6DhS0cFq9zo9yI73DDPqzGNnv7/Pg75u4HU0/w3CU5i0DnaJmNLC9rieILF5IjHIW2ANzqKTs42OvsWR6wLRf/c3wlRBRWMMIAzRFD7JEIFt0Cy6u02F9vKBkLlIXFlKRtSg/g= Received: by 10.78.193.19 with SMTP id q19mr1926563huf; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:37:43 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.995, required 6, AWL 0.39, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I upgraded my laptop to SuSE 10.1, all appears well until I go to load a removable memory card from a camera, when I insert it, I get a little window poping up (like on xp... guess that is good for those that like that) asking me if I want to open it as a directory or view the pictures in it, I just want to open it, and when I click on open it, I get permission denied, Same thing goes if I just do as I have always done in the past, , go to /media/usbdisk and poke around in it, getting what I want out or putting a file in there to put on someone's machine. What I finally did to get it to where I could do something with it was do a mount, that took care of it, the thing appears in fstab, but for some reason it looks like it is not being mounted. It worked just fine in 10.0, but when I did the upgrade guess it went too well and JUST had to do SOMETHING to make me gripe... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 10 21:28:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1SMET001157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:28:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7B1SMmC001156 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:28:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1SLJs001152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:28:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1SLFO021427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:28:21 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1S6x2004044 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:28:06 -0400 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.100.238.69]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3T00BJ782C5M35@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:27:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:28:23 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-reply-to: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Organization: Joe-Di Enterprises MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.156, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 10 August 2006 8:37 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > I upgraded my laptop to SuSE 10.1, all appears well until I go to load a > removable memory card from a camera, when I insert it, I get a little > window poping up (like on xp... guess that is good for those that like > that) asking me if I want to open it as a directory or view the pictures in > it, I just want to open it, and when I click on open it, I get permission > denied, Same thing goes if I just do as I have always done in the past, , > go to /media/usbdisk and poke around in it, getting what I want out or > putting a file in there to put on someone's machine. What I finally did to > get it to where I could do something with it was do a mount, that took care > of it, the thing appears in fstab, but for some reason it looks like it is > not being mounted. > > It worked just fine in 10.0, but when I did the upgrade guess it went too > well and JUST had to do SOMETHING to make me gripe... Novell upgraded 10.1 by removing autofs and not replacing it with anything else. And we thought only Microsoft broke things and called it an upgrade. -- 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 10 21:36:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1a3mx001211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:36:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7B1a33a001210 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:36:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1a2ri001206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:36:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1a2le021676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:36:02 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.238]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B1ZoE2008901 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:35:50 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so500904qbe for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:35:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hlRuQjsAe7nW7QAWVzcaU8psESTYANCTP9S5KZ0UAxgXBUoV0Ee7Gbm6p5joioYB0kczVPwnhQL0qGEG05yA3eZ0qMUsy3067uO/m+ZCBV8Wu/Hh1PNBx2kTs27jHqtztvIleueJfmmx8PoRAd+7dS5sNMzpgH0kWDXLiVVncbg= Received: by 10.78.165.13 with SMTP id n13mr116733hue; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 18:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 21:35:48 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.275, required 6, AWL 0.67, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/10/06, Joe Brandt wrote: > On Thursday 10 August 2006 8:37 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > > I upgraded my laptop to SuSE 10.1, all appears well until I go to load a > > removable memory card from a camera, when I insert it, I get a little > > window poping up (like on xp... guess that is good for those that like > > that) asking me if I want to open it as a directory or view the pictures in > > it, I just want to open it, and when I click on open it, I get permission > > denied, Same thing goes if I just do as I have always done in the past, , > > go to /media/usbdisk and poke around in it, getting what I want out or > > putting a file in there to put on someone's machine. What I finally did to > > get it to where I could do something with it was do a mount, that took care > > of it, the thing appears in fstab, but for some reason it looks like it is > > not being mounted. > > > > It worked just fine in 10.0, but when I did the upgrade guess it went too > > well and JUST had to do SOMETHING to make me gripe... > > Novell upgraded 10.1 by removing autofs and not replacing it with anything > else. And we thought only Microsoft broke things and called it an upgrade. Awww ratz... I use that a lot, now I am going to have to figure out something better. I did a google and saw no nice solution to it. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 10 23:47:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B3lGu8002286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:47:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7B3lGJP002285 for slug-track29; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:47:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B3lGHY002281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:47:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B3lFZd027013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:47:16 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7B3l20O019281 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:47:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.100] (57-150.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.150.57]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7B3l0Zb010531; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:47:36 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040805 Netscape/7.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.857, required 6, AWL -2.30, BAYES_60 1.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >I upgraded my laptop to SuSE 10.1, all appears well until I go to >> load a removable memory card from a camera, when I insert it, I get a little >> window poping up (like on xp... guess that is good for those that like >> that) asking me if I want to open it as a directory or view the >> pictures in it, I just want to open it, and when I click on open it, I get >> permission denied, Same thing goes if I just do as I have always done in the >> past, go to /media/usbdisk and poke around in it, getting what I want out or >> putting a file in there to put on someone's machine. What I finally >> did to get it to where I could do something with it was do a mount, that >> took care of it, the thing appears in fstab, but for some reason it looks like >> it is not being mounted. mtab and "mount in a console" should be what shows that which is currently mounted. file system devices can be mounted and not be in fstab. >> > It worked just fine in 10.0, but when I did the upgrade guess it >> went too well and JUST had to do SOMETHING to make me gripe... >> Novell upgraded 10.1 by removing autofs and not replacing it with >> anything else. And we thought only Microsoft broke things and called >> it an upgrade. > Awww ratz... I use that a lot, now I am going to have to figure out > something better. I did a google and saw no nice solution to it. And when you manually try to mount it what happens? Are you trying to mount it with: mount -t vfat ? After you copied it's data off and reformatted it, did it automount? -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 12:55:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BGt0td008887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:55:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BGt0s5008886 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:55:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BGt0qN008882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:55:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BGsxSm005783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:55:00 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.238]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BGsh4U011770 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:54:43 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so631215qbe for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:54:43 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zhd7Gs7ACVWD+dh+kUpMjvSbJz75+z7kly9Z8FZndbxt3suO2qz9yW58uNt5JJZig2g70ka/4AnA8ec+ZiAef8NvTcpS58pyjOjsMq/wkV51lVeE/icjEfQf8wIU6dy9JQYu6E3l3EVtdBXSvKO08br+OQ8WYxOCwvPP6LS8rxM= Received: by 10.78.183.8 with SMTP id g8mr2263101huf; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:54:42 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.318, required 6, AWL -0.11, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60, TW_EV 0.08, TW_GF 0.08, TW_VP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/10/06, Ron Youvan wrote: > mtab and "mount in a console" should be what shows that which is currently mounted. > file system devices can be mounted and not be in fstab. > I looked at the mtab, but "mount in a console" I am not sure how to display it, I tried several mount options and get nothing. If I do mount /dev/sda1 it comes back saying it is mounted in /media/usbdisk. > And when you manually try to mount it what happens? It mounts and I can see it, but I can only copy in or out of it as root, so I have a permissions issue there too. > Are you trying to mount it with: mount -t vfat ? > After you copied it's data off and reformatted it, did it automount? it is a camera CF and the camera has a format it sets up on the thing Prior to upgrading this whole thing worked perfectly, why did they have to screw it up??? Here is mtab and mount prior to inserting a cf device... RF-mobile:/etc # mount /dev/hda6 on / type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5) /dev/hda5 on /boot type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda10 on /home type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda9 on /opt type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda7 on /usr type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda8 on /var type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda1 on /windows/C type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8) /dev/hda2 on /windows/D type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,utf8=true) RF-mobile:/etc # cat mtab /dev/hda6 / reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs rw 0 0 udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/hda5 /boot reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda10 /home reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda9 /opt reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda7 /usr reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda8 /var reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda1 /windows/C ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 /dev/hda2 /windows/D vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 RF-mobile:/etc # Here is the whole thing after the CF is plugged in and I do a mount /dev/sda1 RF-mobile:/etc # mount /dev/sda1 RF-mobile:/etc # mount /dev/hda6 on / type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) debugfs on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw) udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=0620,gid=5) /dev/hda5 on /boot type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda10 on /home type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda9 on /opt type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda7 on /usr type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda8 on /var type reiserfs (rw,acl,user_xattr) /dev/hda1 on /windows/C type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8) /dev/hda2 on /windows/D type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,utf8=true) /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type vfat (rw) RF-mobile:/etc # cat mtab /dev/hda6 / reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs rw 0 0 udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/hda5 /boot reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda10 /home reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda9 /opt reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda7 /usr reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda8 /var reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda1 /windows/C ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 /dev/hda2 /windows/D vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat rw 0 0 RF-mobile:/etc # As I pointed out above, once I do this, I can look in it and read whatever is in there as a user, but only root can modify it. If you will notice, /dev/hda1 has a vfat directory on it, any user can get into it and read or write to it. I need for the removables to have the same thing. Not sure why the upgrade shot the whole thing in the foot, it was working so nicely. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 13:23:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHNu61009196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:23:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BHNuWq009195 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:23:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHNulF009191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:23:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHNuWM007294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:23:56 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHNi4s014393 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:23:44 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3U000GTGB8BMD5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-reply-to: <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.256, required 6, AWL -0.86, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/10/06, Ron Youvan wrote: >> mtab and "mount in a console" should be what shows that which is >> currently mounted. >> file system devices can be mounted and not be in fstab. >> > I looked at the mtab, but "mount in a console" I am not sure how to display > it, I tried several mount options and get nothing. If I do > mount /dev/sda1 > it comes back saying it is mounted in /media/usbdisk. Remember that device/mount point pair. >> And when you manually try to mount it what happens? > > It mounts and I can see it, but I can only copy in or out of it as root, > so I have a permissions issue there too. Yes. And vfat has no native permissions; they're assigned for the whole drive when you mount it. And... > Here is the whole thing after the CF is plugged in and I do a mount /dev/sda1 > RF-mobile:/etc # mount /dev/sda1 The fact that you can do this without an error means sda1 has an entry in /etc/fstab. > RF-mobile:/etc # mount ... > /dev/hda1 /windows/C ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 > /dev/hda2 /windows/D vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat rw 0 0 Note the difference between sda1 and hda2. Does hda2 work? If so, you need to edit /etc/fstab and copy the options from it to sda1. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 13:39:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHdIEL009299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:39:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BHdINl009298 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:39:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHdH43009294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:39:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHdHun007912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:39:17 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BHd7qN005043 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:39:08 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so222719pyb for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BBgEnV2u8W4mBtgmY5VrBVz6K67F5f6k28X654k1/q3Q6We3Fqh5O53ligrih9IRlgBzcjudrv7ZQDKehzjF1cB8rLWsrglmB30DusyU21VKDcYJIvVZFKNpA2Rl0E8q5Af4ypMwxoBWB/0ss0G8d+kR2xiyitN8WwOxkaorCt0= Received: by 10.35.66.12 with SMTP id t12mr6618413pyk; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:39:06 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.402, required 6, AWL -1.00, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_84 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Try putting "user" and "umask=000" in your fstab entries for the camera? Mine looks like: /dev/sda1 /camera vfat defaults,user,umask=000,noauto 0 0 -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 14:17:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIHkXq009660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:17:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BIHj6O009659 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:17:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIHjOS009655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:17:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIHjQ7009652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:17:45 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.233]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIHIEC010259 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:17:23 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so646795qbe for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:17:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gwC8hRkjb11SqdpHWI7FCiXRaBnloo3f1M8kMiQ30WJQ98fX40oO4XyvKFMLqO2UOtR3Mh4sBusmBvnGys4HRlAiJmdY+EZCA7w6Aql070SdTLebY+fd5jYLYs9fbXyqULpQNkPTOatZM4xPmnOGAM5R77f1i49ohmFklxGqUmw= Received: by 10.78.147.19 with SMTP id u19mr2292210hud; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608111117l166048dfq810e500ec49bda2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:17:17 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.541, required 6, AWL 0.34, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/11/06, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/10/06, Ron Youvan wrote: > >> mtab and "mount in a console" should be what shows that which is > >> currently mounted. > >> file system devices can be mounted and not be in fstab. > >> > > I looked at the mtab, but "mount in a console" I am not sure how to display > > it, I tried several mount options and get nothing. If I do > > mount /dev/sda1 > > it comes back saying it is mounted in /media/usbdisk. > > Remember that device/mount point pair. > > >> And when you manually try to mount it what happens? > > > > It mounts and I can see it, but I can only copy in or out of it as root, > > so I have a permissions issue there too. > > Yes. And vfat has no native permissions; they're assigned for the whole > drive when you mount it. And... > > > Here is the whole thing after the CF is plugged in and I do a mount /dev/sda1 > > RF-mobile:/etc # mount /dev/sda1 > > The fact that you can do this without an error means sda1 has an entry in > /etc/fstab. > > > RF-mobile:/etc # mount > ... > > /dev/hda1 /windows/C ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 > > /dev/hda2 /windows/D vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 > > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat rw 0 0 > > Note the difference between sda1 and hda2. Does hda2 work? If so, you need Yes hda2 is like... Well guess I better not go there, it allows anything in... > to edit /etc/fstab and copy the options from it to sda1. > That is the first thing I thought about doing, but I see that the data goes away when the device is removed. > Additional sofware may get in the way of this. I am trying to figure out what it is that stuffs that info in the fstab and mtab files and where it gets it. They are transitory in nature as far as I can see, when the CF card is removed they go away. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 14:19:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIJnKV009682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BIJnmZ009681 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIJn6v009677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIJnBW009716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:49 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.230]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIJcAh029176 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:38 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so647194qbe for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:19:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bVAh+36312HE+9Gyf7DaMMQpE1c/PNvjsJA3dtQuxpGiPUf04u4+DpeHrgqnwt5s+qkn/p6CoyXEyqOoErBuy7Y+mVKOLZ94TFzBDNa9qBbS+7ce3V8UMM7rq/Radd503HUCpWKQcmjgosRyqXW1KucVScHPZhktL1Q8PM2VDK0= Received: by 10.78.127.6 with SMTP id z6mr2299579huc; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:19:36 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.137, required 6, AWL -0.06, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_84 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/11/06, Levi Bard wrote: > Try putting "user" and "umask=000" in your fstab entries for the > camera? Mine looks like: > > /dev/sda1 /camera vfat defaults,user,umask=000,noauto > 0 0 > I used the camera as that is the most common place I pull CF type cards from, I also have a Garmin Nuvi that I use, it has to be viewed the same way, so do not want to specify it as a camera but just as a removable drive. So anytime any CF type device is plugged in it will be available for access from a user screen. Root does get access to it once it is mounted. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 14:47:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIlWOr009888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:47:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BIlVUx009887 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:47:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIlV7p009883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:47:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIlVEq010966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:47:31 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIl7mx012000 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:47:07 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so242341pyb for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n+FhFeURei9IYa3drk3izPhlxp4OYZgpeMdk01Oloq4xi2IOFZmtNU9qh64mlnsYETKnfJfHmlfAOs+KbknZ8yMfADx14sQQ16zCThaKYtsgbpPH0QMLGBng/F09nVm212V02u2OmVfEwtWcy1Bvh2uGxu8Uhuct2COdIeYqHh0= Received: by 10.35.87.8 with SMTP id p8mr6717455pyl; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608111147k1785a282o2dcd5b734a06751b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:47:05 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.339, required 6, AWL -0.94, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_84 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Try putting "user" and "umask=000" in your fstab entries for the > > camera? Mine looks like: > > > > /dev/sda1 /camera vfat defaults,user,umask=000,noauto > > 0 0 > > > I used the camera as that is the most common place I pull CF type cards > from, I also have a Garmin Nuvi that I use, it has to be viewed the same > way, so do not want to specify it as a camera but just as a removable > drive. So anytime any CF type device is plugged in it will be available for > access from a user screen. Root does get access to it once it is mounted. Actually I just meant to add the "user" and "umask=000" options to your existing fstab entry. I only included my own entry for context. By all means, name your mount point what you will. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 14:49:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BInfrQ009910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:49:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BInfkj009909 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:49:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIneAC009904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:49:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIneZY011013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:49:40 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BInDBL031789 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:49:13 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3U00H5HK9KEKS7@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:48:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-reply-to: <620c90570608111117l166048dfq810e500ec49bda2b@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111117l166048dfq810e500ec49bda2b@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.585, required 6, AWL -0.02, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/11/06, Eben King wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >> >> > RF-mobile:/etc # mount >> ... >> > /dev/hda1 /windows/C ntfs ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 >> > /dev/hda2 /windows/D vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,gid=100,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 >> > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat rw 0 0 >> >> Note the difference between sda1 and hda2. Does hda2 work? If so, you >> need > > Yes hda2 is like... Well guess I better not go there, it allows anything > in... Oh. Then since only one user/group applies to the whole thing, set the "uid=xxx" and "gid=xxx" options to the user and group you want, and set umask=007 to deny others any access. Easiest way to allow multiple users full access (but not anyone else) is to put them in a group and put that group in the "gid=xxx" option. >> to edit /etc/fstab and copy the options from it to sda1. >> > That is the first thing I thought about doing, but I see that the data > goes away when the device is removed. mtab or fstab? mtab is dynamic, fstab is static. Usually. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 14:53:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIrjhv009943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:53:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BIriRr009942 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:53:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIrisY009938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:53:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIriQr011157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:53:44 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.238]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BIrSwK015927 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:53:28 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so653544qbe for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GyatTgOrZ8q5wycY9L3oGvNaGEd8DyfdpFJe7rDdyMGiPrLTumowR8YNWAZc294IvBwzn9ot7DXf18aDMrT78L6HWr4N/TsCo9QhdsUXKVNjW4Dk8aWHtPYi3qOSIr78Kq5FqMDtO4w5SaFB2qD8FWts0Qrx9hVUC2c+oaQaqhs= Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr2303084hue; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.148.11 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:53:27 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.889, required 6, AWL -0.31, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_84 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/11/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/11/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > Try putting "user" and "umask=000" in your fstab entries for the > > camera? Mine looks like: > > > > /dev/sda1 /camera vfat defaults,user,umask=000,noauto > > 0 0 > > > I used the camera as that is the most common place I pull CF type cards > from, I also have a Garmin Nuvi that I use, it has to be viewed the same > way, so do not want to specify it as a camera but just as a removable > drive. So anytime any CF type device is plugged in it will be available for > access from a user screen. Root does get access to it once it is mounted. > Here is what it looks like now /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 Now I have to figure out how to automount it, as I sitll have to go in as root and do a: mount /dev/sda1 Then it is actually mounted, so that fixed the non-root access after it was mounted. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 11 15:23:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BJNBvj010266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:23:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7BJNBSm010265 for slug-track29; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:23:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BJNAxc010261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:23:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BJNAfo012725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:23:10 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7BJMpdR022731 for ; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:22:51 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3U00COHLTAF8Q7@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:22:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:22:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-reply-to: <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.313, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_84 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/11/06, Chuck Hast wrote: >> On 8/11/06, Levi Bard wrote: >> > Try putting "user" and "umask=000" in your fstab entries for the >> > camera? Mine looks like: >> > >> > /dev/sda1 /camera vfat defaults,user,umask=000,noauto >> > 0 0 >> > >> I used the camera as that is the most common place I pull CF type cards >> from, I also have a Garmin Nuvi that I use, it has to be viewed the same >> way, so do not want to specify it as a camera but just as a removable >> drive. So anytime any CF type device is plugged in it will be available for >> access from a user screen. Root does get access to it once it is mounted. >> > > Here is what it looks like now > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat > users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 > > Now I have to figure out how to automount it, as I sitll have to go in as > root and do a: > mount /dev/sda1 > Then it is actually mounted, so that fixed the non-root access after it was > mounted. FWIW, I (Ubuntu 5.10) have autofs or whatever it's called -- /etc/auto.* . What I could divine is: /etc/auto.master defines a daemon, which controls a mount tree ], all with a particular set of options (including timeout). Each daemon has a control file /etc/auto.foo, which specify what dirs it should watch. Minus all the comments, my /etc/master is: /mnt/auto /etc/auto.misc --timeout 1500 /mnt/dvd /etc/auto.dvd --timeout 5 /etc/auto.misc is: scratch -rw,fstype=ext3 :/dev/hdc8 media -rw,fstype=ext3 :/dev/hdc6 schedules -rw,fstype=minix,loop :/var/schedules.img /etc/auto.dvd is: dvd1 -fstype=auto,ro,mode=0666 :/dev/cdrom dvd1_exec -fstype=auto,ro :/dev/cdrom eben@pc:~$ grep hda /etc/mtab eben@pc:~$ ls /dvd1/ > /dev/null ; grep hda /etc/mtab /dev/hda /mnt/dvd/dvd1 iso9660 ro,mode=0666 0 0 (wait 5 seconds) eben@pc:~$ grep hda /etc/mtab eben@pc:~$ ls -l /dvd1 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2006-08-06 12:18 /dvd1 -> /mnt/dvd/dvd1 dvd2 is loaned out right now, so I disabled it. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave. -Sir William Drummond ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.825, required 6, AWL -0.92, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_46 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_84 0.60, TW_EV 0.08, TW_GF 0.08, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_VP 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/11/06, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 11 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/11/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> On 8/11/06, Levi Bard wrote: > >> > Try putting "user" and "umask=000" in your fstab entries for the > >> > camera? Mine looks like: > >> > > >> > /dev/sda1 /camera vfat defaults,user,umask=000,noauto > >> > 0 0 > >> > > >> I used the camera as that is the most common place I pull CF type cards > >> from, I also have a Garmin Nuvi that I use, it has to be viewed the same > >> way, so do not want to specify it as a camera but just as a removable > >> drive. So anytime any CF type device is plugged in it will be available for > >> access from a user screen. Root does get access to it once it is mounted. > >> > > > > Here is what it looks like now > > /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk vfat > > users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 > > > > Now I have to figure out how to automount it, as I sitll have to go in as > > root and do a: > > mount /dev/sda1 > > Then it is actually mounted, so that fixed the non-root access after it was > > mounted. > > FWIW, I (Ubuntu 5.10) have autofs or whatever it's called -- /etc/auto.* . > What I could divine is: > > /etc/auto.master defines a daemon, which controls a mount tree ], all with a > particular set of options (including timeout). Each daemon has a control > file /etc/auto.foo, which specify what dirs it should watch. Minus all the > comments, my /etc/master is: > > /mnt/auto /etc/auto.misc --timeout 1500 > /mnt/dvd /etc/auto.dvd --timeout 5 > > /etc/auto.misc is: > > scratch -rw,fstype=ext3 :/dev/hdc8 > media -rw,fstype=ext3 :/dev/hdc6 > schedules -rw,fstype=minix,loop :/var/schedules.img > > /etc/auto.dvd is: > > dvd1 -fstype=auto,ro,mode=0666 :/dev/cdrom > dvd1_exec -fstype=auto,ro :/dev/cdrom > > eben@pc:~$ grep hda /etc/mtab > eben@pc:~$ ls /dvd1/ > /dev/null ; grep hda /etc/mtab > /dev/hda /mnt/dvd/dvd1 iso9660 ro,mode=0666 0 0 > (wait 5 seconds) > eben@pc:~$ grep hda /etc/mtab > eben@pc:~$ ls -l /dvd1 > 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2006-08-06 12:18 /dvd1 -> /mnt/dvd/dvd1 > > dvd2 is loaned out right now, so I disabled it. > Here is the interesting thing, my desktop which I also upgraded works just fine, if I plug a memory card into it, it sees it and allows me to open it and maniuplate the files. SO, I have to figure out what the deltas are and fix it. I just can not understand why the upgrade messed up the removable disk stuff on the laptop and not on the desk top machine.... I looked at the auto files and find that on the desktop machine all of the lines in the auto.master are commented out: # # $Id: auto.master,v 1.4 2005/01/04 14:36:54 raven Exp $ # # Sample auto.master file # This is an automounter map and it has the following format # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location # For details of the format look at autofs(5). #/misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 #/smb /etc/auto.smb #/misc /etc/auto.misc #/net /etc/auto.net Here is the auto.misc file, as you can see the only one that is not commented is the cd entry: # # $Id: auto.misc,v 1.2 2003/09/29 08:22:35 raven Exp $ # # This is an automounter map and it has the following format # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage cd -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom # the following entries are samples to pique your imagination #linux -ro,soft,intr ftp.example.org:/pub/linux #boot -fstype=ext2 :/dev/hda1 #floppy -fstype=auto :/dev/fd0 #floppy -fstype=ext2 :/dev/fd0 #e2floppy -fstype=ext2 :/dev/fd0 #jaz -fstype=ext2 :/dev/sdc1 #removable -fstype=ext2 :/dev/hdd And here is the mtab file withthe cf card inserted /dev/hda5 / reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 proc /proc proc rw 0 0 sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs rw 0 0 udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 /dev/hda1 /boot reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda9 /home reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda7 /opt reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda6 /usr reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/hda8 /var reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 /dev/sdd1 /media/usbdisk vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower 0 0 I have my laptop now allowing me to access the cf cards and r/w them withtout being root, now I just have to figure out what I have to do to make it automount so I do not have to bring up a cli and issue the mount command. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 12 13:41:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CHf96x021264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7CHf9Uo021263 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CHf9t0021259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CHf89M011428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:41:09 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CHerwA015574 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:40:53 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3W00EJABRA5QQ0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:40:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-reply-to: <620c90570608120606l668278c9rb8879bee27e59267@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200608102128.23688.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608120606l668278c9rb8879bee27e59267@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.092, required 6, AWL -1.85, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_46 0.60, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32, TW_EV 0.08, TW_GF 0.08, TW_VP 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > Here is the interesting thing, my desktop which I also upgraded works just > fine, if I plug a memory card into it, it sees it and allows me to open it > and maniuplate the files. SO, I have to figure out what the deltas are and > fix it. I just can not understand why the upgrade messed up the removable > disk stuff on the laptop and not on the desk top machine.... > > I looked at the auto files and find that on the desktop machine all of the > lines in the auto.master are commented out: > > # $Id: auto.master,v 1.4 2005/01/04 14:36:54 raven Exp $ > # > # Sample auto.master file > # This is an automounter map and it has the following format > # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location > # For details of the format look at autofs(5). > #/misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 > #/smb /etc/auto.smb > #/misc /etc/auto.misc > #/net /etc/auto.net > > Here is the auto.misc file, as you can see the only one that is not > commented is the cd entry: > > # $Id: auto.misc,v 1.2 2003/09/29 08:22:35 raven Exp $ > # > # This is an automounter map and it has the following format > # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location > # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage > > cd -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom > > And here is the mtab file withthe cf card inserted > /dev/hda5 / reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > proc /proc proc rw 0 0 > sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 > debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs rw 0 0 > udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 > devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 > /dev/hda1 /boot reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > /dev/hda9 /home reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > /dev/hda7 /opt reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > /dev/hda6 /usr reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > /dev/hda8 /var reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > /dev/sdd1 /media/usbdisk vfat > rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower 0 0 > > I have my laptop now allowing me to access the cf cards and r/w them > withtout being root, now I just have to figure out what I have to do to > make it automount so I do not have to bring up a cli and issue the > mount command. As it is, it's not paying attention to /etc/auto.misc because the line "/misc /etc/auto.misc" in /etc/auto.master is commented out. (I think all mount trees have an implied "/mnt/auto" prepended.) If I were doing it, I would put an entry for the CF card in auto.misc, and uncomment that line in auto.master. -- "The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'" -- Rich Jeni ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 12 16:12:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKC2AV022472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:12:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7CKC2Fe022471 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:12:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKC1CH022467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:12:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKC1JO017189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:12:01 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.237]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKBgjc015037 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:11:42 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so827488qbe for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:11:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oB7XOzgCl9w4Zd1lg7YN4j7HhVxZcNOzR+pM4RZDkku2zM7YU4AIOCe+CyIQnWlU7vZHPMwsHrON/eLC7UhKnIOktU9ZmzbbnJ4UxIa6lhx41VK33o2pv9No3cYIb4H95CO38m3YC95xYTMHUsB5Z0B4CGUqWYNzHiUut04GOT8= Received: by 10.78.165.13 with SMTP id n13mr849330hue; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.149.18 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608121311i27434abaxe5710523a7a0f956@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:11:41 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608120606l668278c9rb8879bee27e59267@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.701, required 6, AWL -0.93, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_26 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_46 0.60, TW_EV 0.08, TW_GF 0.08, TW_VP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/12/06, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Here is the interesting thing, my desktop which I also upgraded works just > > fine, if I plug a memory card into it, it sees it and allows me to open it > > and maniuplate the files. SO, I have to figure out what the deltas are and > > fix it. I just can not understand why the upgrade messed up the removable > > disk stuff on the laptop and not on the desk top machine.... > > > > I looked at the auto files and find that on the desktop machine all of the > > lines in the auto.master are commented out: > > > > # $Id: auto.master,v 1.4 2005/01/04 14:36:54 raven Exp $ > > # > > # Sample auto.master file > > # This is an automounter map and it has the following format > > # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location > > # For details of the format look at autofs(5). > > #/misc /etc/auto.misc --timeout=60 > > #/smb /etc/auto.smb > > #/misc /etc/auto.misc > > #/net /etc/auto.net > > > > Here is the auto.misc file, as you can see the only one that is not > > commented is the cd entry: > > > > # $Id: auto.misc,v 1.2 2003/09/29 08:22:35 raven Exp $ > > # > > # This is an automounter map and it has the following format > > # key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location > > # Details may be found in the autofs(5) manpage > > > > cd -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev :/dev/cdrom > > > > And here is the mtab file withthe cf card inserted > > /dev/hda5 / reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > > proc /proc proc rw 0 0 > > sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 > > debugfs /sys/kernel/debug debugfs rw 0 0 > > udev /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 > > devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 > > /dev/hda1 /boot reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > > /dev/hda9 /home reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > > /dev/hda7 /opt reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > > /dev/hda6 /usr reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > > /dev/hda8 /var reiserfs rw,acl,user_xattr 0 0 > > /dev/sdd1 /media/usbdisk vfat > > rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,flush,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower 0 0 > > > > I have my laptop now allowing me to access the cf cards and r/w them > > withtout being root, now I just have to figure out what I have to do to > > make it automount so I do not have to bring up a cli and issue the > > mount command. > > As it is, it's not paying attention to /etc/auto.misc because the line > "/misc /etc/auto.misc" in /etc/auto.master is commented out. (I think all > mount trees have an implied "/mnt/auto" prepended.) If I were doing it, I > would put an entry for the CF card in auto.misc, and uncomment that line in > auto.master. > That is what I can not figure out, that comes out of the machine that DOES read the CF cards, so my question is what triggers it, if those files are not doing so (as you pointed out the line that it would appear to trigger this function is commented out so unless there is similar file somewhere else that one is not doing it. There must be another mechanisim that is allowing the machine to automount the card and give access to it. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 12 16:52:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKq1Qa022795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:52:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7CKq1PP022794 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:52:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKq00D022790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:52:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKq0so018703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:52:00 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CKphYO002169 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:51:43 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J3W003EAKLUVEV0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:51:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-reply-to: <620c90570608121311i27434abaxe5710523a7a0f956@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <620c90570608101835t1b1f3f59s87507ba6ba898e3@mail.gmail.com> <44DBFDD8.60201@tampabay.rr.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608120606l668278c9rb8879bee27e59267@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608121311i27434abaxe5710523a7a0f956@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.616, required 6, AWL -1.09, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_46 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/12/06, Eben King wrote: >> >> As it is, it's not paying attention to /etc/auto.misc because the line >> "/misc /etc/auto.misc" in /etc/auto.master is commented out. (I think >> all mount trees have an implied "/mnt/auto" prepended.) If I were doing >> it, I would put an entry for the CF card in auto.misc, and uncomment that >> line in auto.master. >> > > That is what I can not figure out, that comes out of the machine that DOES > read the CF cards, so my question is what triggers it, if those files are > not doing so (as you pointed out the line that it would appear to trigger > this function is commented out so unless there is similar file somewhere > else that one is not doing it. There must be another mechanisim that is > allowing the machine to automount the card and give access to it. These daemons: 6145 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/automount --pid-file=/var/run/autofs/_mnt_auto.pid --timeout=1500 /mnt/auto file /etc/auto.misc 6153 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/automount --pid-file=/var/run/autofs/_mnt_dvd.pid --timeout=5 /mnt/dvd file /etc/auto.dvd started from this file: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14026 2005-04-04 01:44 /etc/init.d/autofs control the automounter I have. There is another one I know of called "amd". "ls -ld" the mount point and make sure it's not a link. Trace it back to where it isn't and run "lsof" on its parent directory like so: eben@pc:~$ \ls -ld /scratch lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2006-01-30 17:45 /scratch -> /mnt/auto/scratch (a link) eben@pc:~$ \ls -ld /mnt/auto drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 0 2006-08-12 16:30 /mnt/auto (not a link) root@pc:/etc/init.d# lsof | grep /mnt/auto automount 6145 root 4r DIR 0,15 0 10080 /mnt/auto Therefore, "automount" is the program I have. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 12 18:26:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CMQgku023611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:26:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7CMQgJ6023610 for slug-track29; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:26:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CMQf06023606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:26:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CMQfuG022240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:26:41 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.234]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7CMQIB2011593 for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:26:19 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so838453qbe for ; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:26:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c052nTzkbCgzDW+7i+81N+e0irrvHr64k6FO4jbab1Bqbq28VLc5xFczgoge/bALwwgsmIQNngP9K3jIKdH2zyChDGRnXuBiZogydik5kR8QqpGl3L0S1TjW1Uad2lQnf2IUnHuiw/o1G9kZ2J52mB+3Zzsq+7QGX/JZPptlS3U= Received: by 10.78.116.19 with SMTP id o19mr2719978huc; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.149.18 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608121526g4972c835p6731b425eca1cee3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 18:26:17 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Permission denied to CF card. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608101737qa7d68bg483eb544748a6a25@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608110954m1b0fe1aat1fab94a9357af97@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608111039n5a1b97beke72e069d62e8c50e@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111119u27b9fe46gb1cf4cbd4f3ba354@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608111153ke148f5fw8a8b4d6eba928ff7@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608120606l668278c9rb8879bee27e59267@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608121311i27434abaxe5710523a7a0f956@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.06, required 6, AWL -0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_46 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/12/06, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 12 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/12/06, Eben King wrote: > >> > >> As it is, it's not paying attention to /etc/auto.misc because the line > >> "/misc /etc/auto.misc" in /etc/auto.master is commented out. (I think > >> all mount trees have an implied "/mnt/auto" prepended.) If I were doing > >> it, I would put an entry for the CF card in auto.misc, and uncomment that > >> line in auto.master. > >> > > > > That is what I can not figure out, that comes out of the machine that DOES > > read the CF cards, so my question is what triggers it, if those files are > > not doing so (as you pointed out the line that it would appear to trigger > > this function is commented out so unless there is similar file somewhere > > else that one is not doing it. There must be another mechanisim that is > > allowing the machine to automount the card and give access to it. > > These daemons: > > 6145 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/automount --pid-file=/var/run/autofs/_mnt_auto.pid --timeout=1500 /mnt/auto file /etc/auto.misc > 6153 ? S 0:00 /usr/sbin/automount --pid-file=/var/run/autofs/_mnt_dvd.pid --timeout=5 /mnt/dvd file /etc/auto.dvd > > started from this file: > > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14026 2005-04-04 01:44 /etc/init.d/autofs > > control the automounter I have. There is another one I know of called > "amd". "ls -ld" the mount point and make sure it's not a link. Trace it > back to where it isn't and run "lsof" on its parent directory like so: > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -ld /scratch > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2006-01-30 17:45 /scratch -> /mnt/auto/scratch > > (a link) > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -ld /mnt/auto > drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 0 2006-08-12 16:30 /mnt/auto > > (not a link) > > root@pc:/etc/init.d# lsof | grep /mnt/auto > automount 6145 root 4r DIR 0,15 0 10080 /mnt/auto > > Therefore, "automount" is the program I have. YMMV. They must be using another mechinisim, as I can see nothing of the kind, I did find a 'master' but it was part of postfix.... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 13:51:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EHp3pj012522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EHp3H1012521 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EHp23O012517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EHp3Hj021625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:51:03 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EHojBC005331 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:50:45 -0400 Received: from skooby2.peacenet.us (189-43.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.43.189]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7EHohfv006293 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] port question From: vern To: slug Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:59:50 -0400 Message-Id: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.004, required 6, AWL -0.68, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all, How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't remember how to find that. Reason of curiosity is I was looking at my logs from my home router and noticed alot of "hits" from a 'suspicious' ip address and has hit alot of different ports and I'm just wondering what they belong to. Feeling a little paranoia today i guess :-) Thanks vern ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 14:06:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EI6pNi012696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:06:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EI6pV6012695 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:06:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EI6oTi012691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:06:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EI6ouq022679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:06:50 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EI6W5C000885 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:06:33 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:06:30 -0400 Message-ID: <44E0BB6B.1030807@acpdata.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:05:31 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port question References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> In-Reply-To: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.529, required 6, AWL -0.47, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You can check /etc/services for listed port numbers. vern wrote: > Hi all, > How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't > remember how to find that. > > Reason of curiosity is I was looking at my logs from my home router and > noticed alot of "hits" from a 'suspicious' ip address and has hit alot > of different ports and I'm just wondering what they belong to. Feeling a > little paranoia today i guess :-) > > Thanks > vern > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 14:13:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EID9Vw012741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:13:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EID9vN012740 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:13:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EID9Je012736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:13:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EID98R022890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:13:09 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EICo4E003848 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:12:50 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J40004902LDZCU0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:12:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] port question In-reply-to: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.334, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 14 Aug 2006, vern wrote: > How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't > remember how to find that. as root: netstat -A inet -a -p > Reason of curiosity is I was looking at my logs from my home router and > noticed alot of "hits" from a 'suspicious' ip address and has hit alot > of different ports and I'm just wondering what they belong to. Feeling a > little paranoia today i guess :-) The assignments for ports with nothing running on them can be seen in /etc/services. But really, you should have some sort of hardware NAT box at least between you and the internet, and only allow access to those ports you want the world to see. I only allow external connections to sshd and to thttpd, and thttpd doesn't run on port 80. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 14:17:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIHES7012836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:17:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EIHEF4012835 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:17:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIHDZU012831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:17:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIHDBY023232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:17:13 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIH0bv005556 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:17:01 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so34262nfc for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XVyvkDKEE//8wdZrukpun0H/DvuL69cksBqbvXZpH/11XqN81DmEMku2rVAka6rZVoHwAB1645S0t/vwBhdNk83r6M7KsgMM+GQ+tUVSXOQGoYnS0QiCqiinXzrGIoY72JkHCOOVAw7BcKi058LxElNXnbYPaFFtxlJ+iRGnuwU= Received: by 10.82.107.15 with SMTP id f15mr605414buc; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.108.17 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0608141116m2b175595o2268795cbebf0733@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:16:54 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port question In-Reply-To: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16259_10923935.1155579414314" References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.605, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_50_60 0.13, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_16259_10923935.1155579414314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't > remember how to find that. netstat For example, to list programs listening on tcp ports, "netstat -ltnp" (as root) ~ Daniel ------=_Part_16259_10923935.1155579414314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't
remember how to find that.

netstat

For example, to list programs listening on tcp ports, "netstat -ltnp" (as root)

~ Daniel
 

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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 14:22:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIMOWL012893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:22:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EIMOx8012892 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:22:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIMOhB012888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:22:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIMOtr023490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:22:24 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIM3DG009061 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:22:04 -0400 Received: from skooby2.peacenet.us (189-43.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.43.189]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7EIM2XX021268 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] port question From: vern To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <44E0BB6B.1030807@acpdata.com> References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <44E0BB6B.1030807@acpdata.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:31:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1155580269.4535.0.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.123, required 6, AWL -0.57, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 14:05 -0400, Todd wrote: > You can check /etc/services for listed port numbers. > > vern wrote: > > Hi all, > > How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't > > remember how to find that. > > > > Reason of curiosity is I was looking at my logs from my home router and > > noticed alot of "hits" from a 'suspicious' ip address and has hit alot > > of different ports and I'm just wondering what they belong to. Feeling a > > little paranoia today i guess :-) > > > > Thanks > > vern Thanks appreciate it ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 14:24:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIOMRJ012915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EIOMTj012914 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIOLnI012910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIOMSl023586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:22 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIO8a2005097 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:09 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so436509nzi for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:24:08 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XHclvU1dsiM84Mxmr46hIziqAJ58bUVD+MGlo9HJgeXvdngCinbytS05Vq9GyfIjxv+kMgMxLYGwqhK0FIrmu7oEU1v6DdxKROJuvE4We2kon3Bp+T4FJFJ0yMyfbVvxv4C7NRclinU0tqoC6ASPBqYYHZGE5BcsO6IfOADgRZI= Received: by 10.35.105.18 with SMTP id h18mr13776583pym; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608141124p1e7b99cdr2b80d42ba626ad8c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:24:07 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] port question In-Reply-To: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.121, required 6, AWL -0.29, BAYES_40 -0.18, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.35) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't > remember how to find that. You can display applications that are currently running, with their associated ports, using `netstat -a` ( http://www.ss64.com/nt/netstat.html ) There's also a list of commonly used ports in /etc/services. > Reason of curiosity is I was looking at my logs from my home router and > noticed alot of "hits" from a 'suspicious' ip address and has hit alot > of different ports and I'm just wondering what they belong to. Feeling a > little paranoia today i guess :-) Sounds like you're being portscanned. AOLTWBBHN used to scan me a few times per day. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 14:35:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIZbYL012991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:35:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EIZbCp012990 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:35:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIZasB012986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:35:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIZa3N024221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:35:37 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EIZ8OA001315 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:35:08 -0400 Received: from skooby2.peacenet.us (189-43.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.43.189]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7EIZ6pP000836 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] port question From: vern To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608141124p1e7b99cdr2b80d42ba626ad8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <1a3a3e310608141124p1e7b99cdr2b80d42ba626ad8c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:44:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1155581054.4535.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.213, required 6, AWL -2.25, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, FU_DOM_END_NUM 0.35, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 13:24 -0500, Levi Bard wrote: > > How do you tell which application is running on which port ? i don't > > remember how to find that. > > You can display applications that are currently running, with their > associated ports, using `netstat -a` ( > http://www.ss64.com/nt/netstat.html ) > > There's also a list of commonly used ports in /etc/services. > > > Reason of curiosity is I was looking at my logs from my home router and > > noticed alot of "hits" from a 'suspicious' ip address and has hit alot > > of different ports and I'm just wondering what they belong to. Feeling a > > little paranoia today i guess :-) > > Sounds like you're being portscanned. AOLTWBBHN used to scan me a few > times per day. Thats what i was thinking also. Ive seen alot of attempts to get in but so far they have had no luck :-) I do shut down alot of unneccessary stuff through the firewall, and only allow certain ports through the router as well. Thanks for the info ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 15:30:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EJUtFq013471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:30:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7EJUt9N013470 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:30:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EJUsst013466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:30:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EJUscu027213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:30:54 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EJUgWF030022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:30:43 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7EJUhVl002336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:30:43 -0400 Message-ID: <44E0CF61.10405@nks.net> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:30:41 -0400 From: "Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 17:25:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELPCo0014422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:25:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7ELPCVg014421 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:25:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELPCX1014417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:25:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELPB5M032034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:25:11 -0400 Received: from web52607.mail.yahoo.com (web52607.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.210]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k7ELOw7U015129 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:24:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 18184 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Aug 2006 21:24:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kLWa++9rx332Ml2Gh2fgOxc7jqTNKIkHVSgqwOkzK1J68+Zhz6tT/De2JJsQqsfaJ464MNpcmekYVxCvxyikKeVeYas7m6KwwXfaOkSjQJw5F30ypUzmDOwL4FV5F5JWlVyfMKqVTWdrpSGzxO+6acr0fulUs/dhpoiIo+QINYQ= ; Message-ID: <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.100.136.215] by web52607.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:57 PDT Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Mark Banschbach, SFO" To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3, required 6, BAYES_80 2.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) Subject: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK guys here is the deal.. My Wife.. a long time Micro-shaft devotee finally got around to saying that if we could convert laptop and iPOD without loosing the data (this is an 80 GIG iPOD and of course she has more data on the iPOD than her system will hold. ).... she would be willing to shed the yoke of oppression.. and become a penguin.. I know about nothing about iPODs.. except that I believe she has a mixture of MP3 and WMA files on her iPOD.. So this is the challenge. to convert her laptop AND the iPOD ( if necessary.. ) or at least have Linux software that will transfer data for the iPOD.. OK So who has played with this silly thing ? Thanks ! Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 17:31:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELVwiw014469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:31:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7ELVwrk014468 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:31:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELVw8d014464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:31:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELVvuv032338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:31:57 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELVkgJ024954 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:31:47 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b36so290241pyb for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bDISsVhCOR4rXY9r4DE3cr8FvKLApwjlcF4oqkrNwOtCvXj5hZCRmpERX+uLEasO8OvtKxPUu4cLEzVSzSIH2Xp0DZBb2l+0m4wqA50erSzChfKKZ3/OtAdl3Sims6S/IZl6vrKsKOWdH5Dc0oZPa7kkCJXzo0pB0OS0el+GEdU= Received: by 10.35.106.15 with SMTP id i15mr14111577pym; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 16:31:46 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. In-Reply-To: <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.401, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.29, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 17:52:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELqZ9M014612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:52:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7ELqZix014611 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:52:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELqZ5O014607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:52:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELqYJj000649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:52:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.elevennetworks.com (colo.elevenwireless.com [69.30.42.70]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7ELqB3n024346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 17:52:12 -0400 Received: from [216.4.146.131] (helo=[10.0.234.86]) by smtp.elevennetworks.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GCkLZ-00045X-KJ for slug@nks.net; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:51:37 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.678, required 6, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.20, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html > Old info. GTKPod has gotten way better since then: http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html Or you can go all the way -- with the iPod itself: http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223 - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 14 23:26:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7F3QS0h017390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:26:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7F3QS9Z017389 for slug-track29; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:26:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7F3QRkv017385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:26:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7F3QRcF014087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:26:27 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7F3QDwF031675 for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:26:13 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so191485nfc for ; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=i6L4oIiO1USUxULRxGBq8mYYzk+sghKYHRw7X3juPAOuNLFM7XGxWJdfg6lV/msrLI+y7njpHhm+B0rK8zsSCs/kLITkaFNrJo9VOOHkViEf/FUtbIu8wb50hVQ57/ZD/z9PrKX++93Zh5X52IImaO1M3KstZjD9UXAj8zS4MHE= Received: by 10.49.8.10 with SMTP id l10mr733819nfi; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.115.11 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608142026j7cef8d0bgc7e8f33a9be430f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 23:26:12 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. In-Reply-To: <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_425_6804542.1155612372452" References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.553, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_425_6804542.1155612372452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/14/06, Mark Banschbach, SFO wrote: > > OK guys here is the deal.. > > My Wife.. a long time Micro-shaft devotee finally > got around to saying that if we could convert laptop > and iPOD without loosing the data (this is an 80 GIG > iPOD and of course she has more data on the iPOD than > her system will hold. ).... she would be willing to > shed the yoke of oppression.. and become a penguin.. > > I know about nothing about iPODs.. except that I > believe she has a mixture of MP3 and WMA files on her > iPOD. A. iPods do not play WMA files. if it does then it is not an "iPod" . 2. iPods used in the term of Apple branded mp3 player use a drm version of mpeg4 audio known as AAC. Protected by Apple's Fair Play II DRM. B. I would suggest keeping any drm music off the ipod by use a windows applicatoin call TuneBite that creates a virtual 2nd digital sound card that enables Hi speed dubbing of your legit drm based music in to universally accept mp3 or ogg file formats. Though I would pick mp3 unless you want to flash your wifes ipod with linux. . > > So this is the challenge. to convert her laptop AND > the iPOD ( if necessary.. ) or at least have Linux > software that will transfer data for the iPOD.. > > OK So who has played with this silly thing ? > > Thanks ! > > Mark > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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On 8/14/06, Mark Banschbach, SFO <mrbear37@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK guys here is the deal..

  My Wife.. a long time Micro-shaft devotee finally
got around to saying that if we could convert laptop
and iPOD without loosing the data (this is an 80 GIG
iPOD and of course she has more data on the iPOD than
her system will hold. ).... she would be willing to
shed the  yoke of oppression.. and become a penguin..

I know about nothing about iPODs.. except that I
believe she has a mixture of MP3 and WMA files on her
iPOD.
 
A. iPods do not play WMA files.  if it does then it is not an "iPod" .
2. iPods used in the term of Apple branded mp3 player use a drm version of mpeg4 audio known as AAC. Protected by Apple's Fair Play II  DRM. 
B.  I would suggest keeping any drm music off the ipod by use a windows applicatoin call TuneBite that creates a virtual 2nd digital sound card that enables Hi speed dubbing of your legit drm based music in to universally accept mp3 or ogg file formats.  Though I would pick mp3 unless you want to flash your wifes ipod with linux.
 
 

.

So this is the challenge. to convert her laptop AND
the iPOD ( if necessary.. ) or at least have Linux
software that will transfer data for the iPOD..

OK So who has played with this silly thing ?

Thanks !

Mark

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------=_Part_425_6804542.1155612372452-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 08:00:55 2006 Received: from caffe013 (host81-149-169-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.149.169.94]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FC0rRR021742 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:00:54 -0400 From: "British Heritage" To: slug-track29@slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net Subject: Final notice! Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:54:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Reply-To: britishheri06@myway.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=_NextPart_01059BC2_6288834B_01C9F258.D84EF1C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----=_NextPart_01059BC2_6288834B_01C9F258.D84EF1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit British Heritage Lottery Trust Funds BRITISH-OVERSEAS HERITAGE TRUST FUNDS Sudley House Mossley Hill Road,Aigburth, LiverpoolL18 8BX, England PIN No:627462128TW In view of the yearly promotion of the above named firm held on the 12th of August, 2006.It is my pleasure to inform you that your e-mail address,as attached to the above PIN No:627462128TW, came up in the third dip. You have therefore been picked as the lucky owner of the PIN No,with the designated amount of Eight hundred and fifty thousand, Nine Hundred & Fifty British Pounds Sterlings {GBP£850,950.00} This programme is financed by a group of corporate establishments and non governmental organisation, from major cities worldwide.Based on management regulations,you are to remit 10% of the winnings to a reputable non-governmental organization in your country,after receiving your fund. To process your winnings,contact Immediately the designated consultant,using the following information as detailed below; Mr Maxwell Stein Tel/Fax: +44-700-597-8576 maxstein06@yahoo.com Do note that all overseas winnings are Insured as bonded,thus not subject to any form of alterations,in your favour,hence to safeguard your primary Interest and to avoid the funds being wrongfully diverted to a false person,other than yourself. It is important to bring to your attention that the prize award expires after 21 working days of receiving this notice. Accept my heart felt congratulations. Yours sincerely Shilla Williams(Mrs) NB;Ensure that your PIN No is sent in your response to the above designated office. ----=_NextPart_01059BC2_6288834B_01C9F258.D84EF1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
British Heritage Lottery Trust Funds
BRITISH-OVERSEAS HERITAGE TRUST FUNDS
Sudley House Mossley Hill Road,Aigburth,
LiverpoolL18 8BX,
England

PIN No:627462128TW

In view of the yearly promotion of the above named firm held on the 12th of August, 2006.It is my pleasure to inform you that your e-mail address,as attached to the above PIN No:627462128TW, came up in the third dip.

You have therefore been picked as the lucky owner of the PIN No,with the designated amount of Eight hundred and fifty thousand, Nine Hundred & Fifty British Pounds
Sterlings {GBP£850,950.00}

This programme is financed by a group of corporate establishments and non governmental organisation, from major cities worldwide.Based on management regulations,you are to remit 10% of the winnings to a reputable non-governmental organization in your country,after receiving your fund.

To process your winnings,contact Immediately the designated consultant,using the following information as detailed below;

Mr Maxwell Stein
Tel/Fax: +44-700-597-8576
maxstein06@yahoo.com


Do note that all overseas winnings are Insured as bonded,thus not subject to any form of alterations,in your favour,hence to safeguard your primary Interest and to avoid the funds being wrongfully diverted to a false person,other than yourself.

It is important to bring to your attention that the prize award expires after 21 working days of receiving this notice.

Accept my heart felt congratulations.

Yours sincerely

Shilla Williams(Mrs)

NB;Ensure that your PIN No is sent in your response to the above designated office.

----=_NextPart_01059BC2_6288834B_01C9F258.D84EF1C0-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 09:12:54 2006 Received: from caffe013 (host81-149-169-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.149.169.94]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FDCrOu022299 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:12:53 -0400 From: "British Heritage" To: slug-track29@slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net Subject: Final Notice! Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 14:08:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Reply-To: britishheri06@myway.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=_NextPart_01491917_5F260CCF_01C9F258.D84EF1C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----=_NextPart_01491917_5F260CCF_01C9F258.D84EF1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit British Heritage Lottery Trust Funds BRITISH-OVERSEAS HERITAGE TRUST FUNDS Sudley House Mossley Hill Road,Aigburth, LiverpoolL18 8BX, England PIN No:627462128TW In view of the yearly promotion of the above named firm held on the 12th of August, 2006. It is my pleasure to inform you that your e-mail address,as attached to the above PIN No:627462128TW, came up in the third dip. You have therefore been picked as the lucky owner of the PIN No,with the designated amount of Eight hundred and fifty thousand, Nine Hundred & Fifty British Pounds Sterlings {GBP£850,950.00} This programme is financed by a group of corporate establishments and non governmental organisation, from major cities worldwide.Based on management regulations,you are to remit 10% of the winnings to a reputable non-governmental organization in your country,after receiving your fund. To process your winnings,contact Immediately the designated consultant,using the following information as detailed below; Mr Maxwell Stein Tel/Fax: +44-700-597-8576 maxstein06@yahoo.com Do note that all overseas winnings are Insured as bonded,thus not subject to any form of alterations,in your favour,hence to safeguard your primary Interest and to avoid the funds being wrongfully diverted to a false person,other than yourself. It is important to bring to your attention that the prize award expires after 21 working days of receiving this notice. Accept my heart felt congratulations. Yours sincerely Shilla Williams(Mrs) NB;Ensure that your PIN No is sent in your response to the above designated office. ----=_NextPart_01491917_5F260CCF_01C9F258.D84EF1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
British Heritage Lottery Trust Funds
BRITISH-OVERSEAS HERITAGE TRUST FUNDS
Sudley House Mossley Hill Road,Aigburth,
LiverpoolL18 8BX,
England

PIN No:627462128TW

In view of the yearly promotion of the above named firm held on the 12th of August, 2006. It is my pleasure to inform you that your e-mail address,as attached to the above PIN No:627462128TW, came up in the third dip.

You have therefore been picked as the lucky owner of the PIN No,with the designated amount of Eight hundred and fifty thousand, Nine Hundred & Fifty British Pounds
Sterlings {GBP£850,950.00}

This programme is financed by a group of corporate establishments and non governmental organisation, from major cities worldwide.Based on management regulations,you are to remit 10% of the winnings to a reputable non-governmental organization in your country,after receiving your fund.

To process your winnings,contact Immediately the designated consultant,using the following information as detailed below;

Mr Maxwell Stein
Tel/Fax: +44-700-597-8576
maxstein06@yahoo.com


Do note that all overseas winnings are Insured as bonded,thus not subject to any form of alterations,in your favour,hence to safeguard your primary Interest and to avoid the funds being wrongfully diverted to a false person,other than yourself.

It is important to bring to your attention that the prize award expires after 21 working days of receiving this notice.

Accept my heart felt congratulations.

Yours sincerely

Shilla Williams(Mrs)

NB;Ensure that your PIN No is sent in your response to the above designated office.

----=_NextPart_01491917_5F260CCF_01C9F258.D84EF1C0-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 09:42:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FDgWkH022622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:42:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FDgWAC022621 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:42:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FDgV56022617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FDgVmq018071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FDgD3Y014615 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:42:14 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:42:04 -0600 Message-Id: <44E196E1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:41:54 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com><1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.534, required 6, AWL -0.73, BAYES_50 0.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.20) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 2:51 PM, in message <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com>, "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" wrote: > Levi Bard wrote: >> http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html >> > > Old info. GTKPod has gotten way better since then: > http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html > > Or you can go all the way -- with the iPod itself: > http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223 > > - Robin I just plug mine into SLED10 and have the same features (and more). Banshee now let's me drop my audible files on my ipod, too. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 10:23:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FENbGk022992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:23:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FENbjU022991 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:23:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FENbPD022987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:23:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FENbX3020166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:23:37 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.203]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FENLrJ008390 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:23:21 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so566746nzi for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zr2MyM9y3nSaC4Ccp3Pf83qTAclfHMLIP3jpWEpXAczCRF66M7UmfcLNqU2pH0MLYZeX3m7jtvA0Y1JFnVNcMDuA3m08uS/DX/lNrOtXEyINWd+KFbQ8GTjNmYKAhJZP9JYFNA0zgcy7ncObTVIUYRTNejAH1qgsz0nZmijQXEg= Received: by 10.35.66.12 with SMTP id t12mr15672645pyk; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608150723q53075ed5he031e0f34778c102@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:23:20 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. In-Reply-To: <31f129860608142026j7cef8d0bgc7e8f33a9be430f1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> <31f129860608142026j7cef8d0bgc7e8f33a9be430f1@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.159, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.16, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > B. I would suggest keeping any drm music off the ipod by use a windows > applicatoin call TuneBite that creates a virtual 2nd digital sound card that > enables Hi speed dubbing of your legit drm based music in to universally > accept mp3 or ogg file formats. Though I would pick mp3 unless you want to > flash your wifes ipod with linux. Or a cross-platform application called Hymn. http://hymn-project.org/ -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 11:42:39 2006 Received: from caffe013 (host81-149-169-94.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.149.169.94]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FFgbTK023598 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 11:42:38 -0400 From: "British Heritage" To: slug-track29@slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net Subject: Final Notice! Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 16:38:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Reply-To: britishheri06@myway.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=_NextPart_01D232C5_758A3803_01C9F258.D84EF1C0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----=_NextPart_01D232C5_758A3803_01C9F258.D84EF1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit British Heritage Lottery Trust Funds BRITISH-OVERSEAS HERITAGE TRUST FUNDS Sudley House Mossley Hill Road,Aigburth, LiverpoolL18 8BX, England PIN No:627462128TW In view of the yearly promotion of the above named firm held on the 12th of August, 2006. It is my pleasure to inform you that your e-mail address,as attached to the above PIN No:627462128TW, came up in the third dip. You have therefore been picked as the lucky owner of the PIN No,with the designated amount of Eight hundred and fifty thousand, Nine Hundred & Fifty British Pounds Sterlings {GBP£850,950.00} This programme is financed by a group of corporate establishments and non governmental organisation, from major cities worldwide.Based on management regulations,you are to remit 10% of the winnings to a reputable non-governmental organization in your country,after receiving your fund. To process your winnings,contact Immediately the designated consultant,using the following information as detailed below; Mr Maxwell Stein Tel/Fax: +44-700-597-8576 maxstein06@yahoo.com Do note that all overseas winnings are Insured as bonded,thus not subject to any form of alterations,in your favour,hence to safeguard your primary Interest and to avoid the funds being wrongfully diverted to a false person,other than yourself. It is important to bring to your attention that the prize award expires after 21 working days of receiving this notice. Accept my heart felt congratulations. Yours sincerely Shilla Williams(Mrs) NB;Ensure that your PIN No is sent in your response to the above designated office. ----=_NextPart_01D232C5_758A3803_01C9F258.D84EF1C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
British Heritage Lottery Trust Funds
BRITISH-OVERSEAS HERITAGE TRUST FUNDS
Sudley House Mossley Hill Road,Aigburth,
LiverpoolL18 8BX,
England

PIN No:627462128TW

In view of the yearly promotion of the above named firm held on the 12th of August, 2006. It is my pleasure to inform you that your e-mail address,as attached to the above PIN No:627462128TW, came up in the third dip.

You have therefore been picked as the lucky owner of the PIN No,with the designated amount of Eight hundred and fifty thousand, Nine Hundred & Fifty British Pounds
Sterlings {GBP£850,950.00}

This programme is financed by a group of corporate establishments and non governmental organisation, from major cities worldwide.Based on management regulations,you are to remit 10% of the winnings to a reputable non-governmental organization in your country,after receiving your fund.

To process your winnings,contact Immediately the designated consultant,using the following information as detailed below;

Mr Maxwell Stein
Tel/Fax: +44-700-597-8576
maxstein06@yahoo.com


Do note that all overseas winnings are Insured as bonded,thus not subject to any form of alterations,in your favour,hence to safeguard your primary Interest and to avoid the funds being wrongfully diverted to a false person,other than yourself.

It is important to bring to your attention that the prize award expires after 21 working days of receiving this notice.

Accept my heart felt congratulations.

Yours sincerely

Shilla Williams(Mrs)

NB;Ensure that your PIN No is sent in your response to the above designated office.


----=_NextPart_01D232C5_758A3803_01C9F258.D84EF1C0-- From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 15:05:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FJ58cn025282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:05:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FJ58KO025281 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:05:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FJ57wD025277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:05:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FJ56D7002595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:05:07 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FJ4qQ3000762 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:04:52 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7FJ4oTp029136 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GD4Da-0001Kn-MC for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:04:50 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49657.216.134.200.78.1155668690.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> In-Reply-To: <44E196E1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com><1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com> <44E196E1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 15:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.224, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pugh wrote: > I just plug mine into SLED10 and have the same features (and more). > Banshee now let's me drop my audible files on my ipod, too. Oh, shiny! I guess I better install SLED10 as my next distro! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 17:35:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLZa5S026545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:35:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FLZak6026544 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:35:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLZZJ5026540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:35:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLZZMu010990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:35:35 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLZHC8007240 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:35:18 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85790F3861 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] how to clear out bash array From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:35:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1155677717.9170.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.493, required 6, AWL -1.51, BAYES_60 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net So I've been reading some tutorials on bash arrays and have managed to figure out how to create one and enter lines from a while loop in to it via: dynamicvararr[${#dynamicvararr[@]}]=$formatted_line set inside the loop. I can echo out the values stored in the array with echo ${dynamicvararr[@]} My question is that I can't find out how to reset the array to an "empty" state for the next time the loop is executed with different information being fed in via $formatted_line. It just keeps adding to the end of the array. Does anybody know how to clear it out / reset it after the loop exits? TIA. Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 17:52:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLqR0a026666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:52:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FLqRdS026665 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:52:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLqRJP026661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:52:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLqCgd011720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:52:27 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FLq5af021485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:52:06 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GD6pN-0006tP-Gw for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:52:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to clear out bash array From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1155677717.9170.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> References: <1155677717.9170.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-z2JfD68bt7ShRXez1moX" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:51:06 -0400 Message-Id: <1155678666.10596.14.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.396, required 6, AWL -1.40, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-z2JfD68bt7ShRXez1moX Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 17:35 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > So I've been reading some tutorials on bash arrays and have managed to > figure out how to create one and enter lines from a while loop in to it > via: >=20 > dynamicvararr[${#dynamicvararr[@]}]=3D$formatted_line >=20 > set inside the loop. I can echo out the values stored in the array > with=20 >=20 > echo ${dynamicvararr[@]} >=20 > My question is that I can't find out how to reset the array to an > "empty" state for the next time the loop is executed with different > information being fed in via $formatted_line. It just keeps adding to > the end of the array. Does anybody know how to clear it out / reset it > after the loop exits? unset dynamicvararr Might be getting close to Perl time. The Logan --=20 War is God's way of teaching Americans about geography. -- Ambrose Bierce Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-z2JfD68bt7ShRXez1moX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE4kHK3OecGqSbkyMRAiw5AKDcmDqS+xaAQm9HqqMi47OzgUMAYgCg1DvP gSU/QHRasiTWcrVxjometd0= =4LOO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-z2JfD68bt7ShRXez1moX-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 18:13:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMDj2Y026868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:13:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FMDjpd026867 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:13:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMDjiB026863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:13:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMDiV5012906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:13:45 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMDKlw022049 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:13:21 -0400 Received: from [70.210.6.212] by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J42004JE8DWC0M1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:13:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:15:35 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings In-reply-to: <20060813202210.3A27756BE1@sherman.mars.lan> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44E25597.3000003@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20060813202210.3A27756BE1@sherman.mars.lan> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.555, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.56, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > ************************************* > * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * > * Meeting Schedule * > ************************************* > > SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** > > 15 August 18:00-21:00 Sarasota > (third Tuesday of each month) > > New College > Math Reading Room, HNS 106 > 5700 N. Tamiami Trail > Sarasota, FL 34243 > > See http://www.ncf.edu/about/directions.html and > http://www.ncf.edu/about/pdf/map.pdf for maps Hi Everybody! Here we are Alex, Joe and Pete. Where are the rest of you? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 18:34:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMYkfm027076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FMYkI5027075 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMYj0k027071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMYjiV013896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:45 -0400 Received: from mail.wackyworld.lan (rrcs-67-78-17-114.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.17.114]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMYWk9026210 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:32 -0400 Received: from it001.wackyworld.lan (it001.wackyworld.lan [192.168.1.100]) by mail.wackyworld.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19228F3861 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to clear out bash array From: Mike Branda To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1155678666.10596.14.camel@cthulhu> References: <1155677717.9170.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> <1155678666.10596.14.camel@cthulhu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:34:31 -0400 Message-Id: <1155681271.9170.11.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.198, required 6, AWL -0.80, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 17:51 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > unset dynamicvararr > > Might be getting close to Perl time. > > The Logan THX. That did it. I was actually thinking of converting it to Perl after I finish it. Right now it's just a bash learning spree. The Perl learning spree is next. Any resource suggestions you wanna put forth that were worth your time reading? Mike Branda Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 18:42:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMgb8i027144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:42:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FMgb5Q027143 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:42:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMgaV0027139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:42:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMgaxk014258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:42:36 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMgSqS024730 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:42:28 -0400 Received: from [70.210.6.212] by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4200C589QCX0N6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:42:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 19:44:40 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings In-reply-to: <44E25597.3000003@verizon.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44E25C68.8040103@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20060813202210.3A27756BE1@sherman.mars.lan> <44E25597.3000003@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net petetheisen wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > >> ************************************* >> * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * >> * Meeting Schedule * >> ************************************* >> >> SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** >> >> 15 August 18:00-21:00 Sarasota >> (third Tuesday of each month) >> >> New College >> Math Reading Room, HNS 106 >> 5700 N. Tamiami Trail >> Sarasota, FL 34243 >> >> See http://www.ncf.edu/about/directions.html and >> http://www.ncf.edu/about/pdf/map.pdf for maps > > > Hi Everybody! > > Here we are Alex, Joe and Pete. Where are the rest of you? Hi Everybody! James has joined us, and also Jay. C'mon y'all! Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 18:54:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMsuQu027233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:54:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7FMsuJ5027232 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:54:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMstvM027228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:54:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMstPB014782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:54:56 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7FMshnZ001146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:54:44 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GD7o0-0000NS-Dq for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:54:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to clear out bash array From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1155681271.9170.11.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> References: <1155677717.9170.6.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> <1155678666.10596.14.camel@cthulhu> <1155681271.9170.11.camel@it001.wackyworld.lan> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-TNx5QOieyCkmb3IXZb77" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:53:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1155682425.10596.22.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.149, required 6, AWL -1.15, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-TNx5QOieyCkmb3IXZb77 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 18:34 -0400, Mike Branda wrote: > THX. That did it. I was actually thinking of converting it to Perl > after I finish it. Right now it's just a bash learning spree. The Perl > learning spree is next. Any resource suggestions you wanna put forth > that were worth your time reading? Wow. After gazing upon my bookcase, you are making me feel old. For learning Perl, I used the first edition of the Camel book from O'Reilly. But I found the Perl Cookbook to be the most useful. I have the first edition of it too. I imagine they are both up to 3rd or 4th editions, by now. I'd recommend the Perl Cookbook wholeheartedly though. Lots of useful examples. I'd also recommend browsing and asking questions at http://perlmonks.org/ The Logan --=20 I'm a Marxist of the Groucho variety. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 20:33:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0Xnw2028106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:33:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G0Xn1r028105 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:33:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0Xnqm028101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:33:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0XnAv019108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:33:49 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0XOk7027697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:33:24 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GD9LU-00034y-7e for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:33:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <44E25C68.8040103@verizon.net> References: <20060813202210.3A27756BE1@sherman.mars.lan> <44E25597.3000003@verizon.net> <44E25C68.8040103@verizon.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-WPZkmjOIZkYSgd9v3X6X" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:32:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1155688344.10596.27.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.373, required 6, AWL -1.37, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-WPZkmjOIZkYSgd9v3X6X Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 19:44 -0400, petetheisen wrote: > petetheisen wrote: > > Paul M Foster wrote: > James has joined us, and also Jay. C'mon y'all! So for those of us who could not make it, what was the agenda? What esoteric items of Gnu/Linux [1] did you explore? 1 http://homepage.eircom.net/~wastedyouth/gnu.jpg The Logan --=20 Spare the rod and spoil the rm -r. -- BOFH Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-WPZkmjOIZkYSgd9v3X6X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE4meX3OecGqSbkyMRAo8WAJ9Lv+h7gy7BQ1TtzrZgjPuSPzuacwCgrDfP bouxww+SX+vNz0SpC5lHrrI= =fZ8w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-WPZkmjOIZkYSgd9v3X6X-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 20:39:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0duqV028154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:39:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G0dus2028153 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:39:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0duYB028149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:39:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0dtOP019280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:39:56 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G0dd0I011909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:39:40 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GD9RX-0003Jq-7U for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:39:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <44E196E1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com> <44E196E1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-WRyYSbp8Jzp+KPPFRwhi" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:38:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1155688719.10596.29.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.066, required 6, AWL 0.53, BAYES_00 -2.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-WRyYSbp8Jzp+KPPFRwhi Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 07:41 -0600, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 2:51 PM, in message > <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com>, > "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" wrote:=20 > > Levi Bard wrote: > >> http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html > I just plug mine into SLED10 and have the same features (and more). Keen! What do you mean by "(and more)."? Please expatiate! The Logan --=20 mouse: n., a device used to point at the xterm into which one wants to type= . Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-WRyYSbp8Jzp+KPPFRwhi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE4mkP3OecGqSbkyMRAn23AKCZ8PdxVri0gptVZ7jRpnDSTI/rhgCgpUc/ BzvrJydUhRSqV6lQYlfpZ4I= =3yyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-WRyYSbp8Jzp+KPPFRwhi-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 21:15:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1FBP1028447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:15:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G1FBqX028446 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:15:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1FAv3028442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:15:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1FA9Q020675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:15:10 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1EqHb006400 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:14:52 -0400 Received: from [70.210.131.195] by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J42008J9GSHDWM3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 20:14:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:17:01 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings In-reply-to: <1155688344.10596.27.camel@cthulhu> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44E2801D.2090702@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <20060813202210.3A27756BE1@sherman.mars.lan> <44E25597.3000003@verizon.net> <44E25C68.8040103@verizon.net> <1155688344.10596.27.camel@cthulhu> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Logan Tygart wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 19:44 -0400, petetheisen wrote: > >>petetheisen wrote: >> >>>Paul M Foster wrote: > > > >>James has joined us, and also Jay. C'mon y'all! > > > So for those of us who could not make it, what was the agenda? What > esoteric items of Gnu/Linux [1] did you explore? > > 1 http://homepage.eircom.net/~wastedyouth/gnu.jpg Hi The Logan! Motorcycles, cars, women, money, spam, viruses not to mention the great Satan (M$). Someone said something about dot net, there was a mention of FoxPro. And the usual bewailing that Windows continues to exist. Also speculation that the next version (not the one they aren't introducing now, but the one they won't introduce later) will be based on the BSD kernel because it has to be. Regards, Pete > > The Logan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 21:21:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1LIPJ028566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:21:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G1LI7k028565 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:21:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1LHG8028561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:21:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1LHxo020941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:21:17 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1L8i9011694 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:21:09 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so461646nfe for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:21:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=V6sIMAaT/BWxwHyrRH7vhwxnmQixW8w44P6bOIFZtWIgABh48ciPtd9R1aOB39iuaRYoKtqK+8qi9iQQDyD99U+ocFDWgwmwc7hzxhy9lIVO+u3LKPvEvvbC1uy8YtkUVKY43eyFPNzqOCKfyzECjdOVCxGx9oryOJ0l6eQieeo= Received: by 10.49.41.18 with SMTP id t18mr65356nfj; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.130.8 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <61575c810608151821k196c37b3rd14e51914820a6bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:21:07 -0400 From: "Matt Florell" To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Asterisk users group meeting on Monday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.024, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello, If any of you are interested, we will be having an Asterisk(Linux-based Open-source Phone system) meeting next Monday. We will be discussing Asterisk implementations and have a presentation of an OSS corporate user-interface web-app that is Asterisk-based. More information here: http://asteriskpbx.meetup.com/1/events/5065286/ MATT--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 21:43:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1hM6O028713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:43:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G1hMMY028712 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:43:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1hMQv028708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:43:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1hIPo021822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:43:22 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G1h0Lp008006 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:43:00 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27C257D24 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44E27823.8020201@mathey.org> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:42:59 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Asterisk users group meeting on Monday References: <61575c810608151821k196c37b3rd14e51914820a6bf@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <61575c810608151821k196c37b3rd14e51914820a6bf@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.732, required 6, AWL -1.73, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Matt Florell wrote: > Hello, > > If any of you are interested, we will be having an > Asterisk(Linux-based Open-source Phone system) meeting next Monday. > > We will be discussing Asterisk implementations and have a presentation > of an OSS corporate user-interface web-app that is Asterisk-based. > > More information here: > http://asteriskpbx.meetup.com/1/events/5065286/ > > MATT--- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > Hi Matt, What's the focus of this meeting? I run Asterisk@home figuratively and literally :) with Cisco 7960 + other various SIP phones. I have a working setup but still want to keep learning as well as find new ways to tweak my setup. Would it be beneficial to me? I also manage a very large Cisco VoIP network so maybe I could offer expertise with managing SIP in an enterprise. Regards, Chris ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 15 23:52:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G3qbjC029738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:52:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G3qbrW029737 for slug-track29; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:52:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G3qaSW029733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:52:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G3qZAd027458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:52:36 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G3qBnd021899 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:52:11 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.200.70] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 7389C00 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:52:09 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:05:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.393, required 6, AWL -2.11, BAYES_99 3.50, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net OK Sluggeers, What is your favorite printer, and why. Going to replace mine. Just a desktop. Doesn't get used that much. Some occasional color photos of garden variety stuff. Mostly forms and documents. Prefer parallel to usb. I have used Epson inkjets for several years and was always satisfied with them, until now. The present one is a Stylus C86. It is slow, uses ink in prodigious amounts, the heads always need cleaning, and the price of the ink is out of sight!! Let alone that sneaky microchip thing they put on the ink cartridges. If I cough up the big bucks for a laser will I eventually save it in ink costs? Like to know what you all think. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 00:12:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4CPHj029934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:12:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G4CPPN029933 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:12:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4CPqg029929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:12:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4CO7Q029961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:12:24 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4Bumi002627 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:11:56 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4200BLFOZ1CSQ8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT In-reply-to: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.269, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.27, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > OK Sluggeers, > > What is your favorite printer, and why. Going to replace mine. Just a desktop. > Doesn't get used that much. Some occasional color photos of garden variety > stuff. Mostly forms and documents. Prefer parallel to usb. > > I have used Epson inkjets for several years and was always satisfied with > them, until now. The present one is a Stylus C86. It is slow, uses ink in > prodigious amounts, the heads always need cleaning, and the price of the ink > is out of sight!! Let alone that sneaky microchip thing they put on the ink > cartridges. > > If I cough up the big bucks for a laser will I eventually save it in ink > costs? Yes, The laser per-page cost is around $0.05, versus about $0.25 for an inkjet. And laser prints don't run when they get wet. Toner cartridges last a lot longer than ink cartridges too. Anybody know if color laser printers are quite expensive, like they used to be? No, I don't have a laser printer; my inkjet is one of these: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=118&modelid=6620 = http://wombatlink.com/?588x15oocw Small, to go with my laptop. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 00:31:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4VGcC030124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:31:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G4VGFF030123 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:31:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4VGxO030119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:31:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4VFbB032352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:31:15 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4UoAS015649 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:30:53 -0400 Received: from [70.219.101.43] by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J42001P2PV8L2T3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 23:30:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 01:33:14 -0400 From: petetheisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT In-reply-to: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <44E2AE1A.7090609@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040808 Debian/1.7.2-1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > What is your favorite printer, and why. Going to replace mine. Just a desktop. > Doesn't get used that much. Some occasional color photos of garden variety > stuff. Mostly forms and documents. Prefer parallel to usb. > > I have used Epson inkjets for several years and was always satisfied with > them, until now. The present one is a Stylus C86. It is slow, uses ink in > prodigious amounts, the heads always need cleaning, and the price of the ink > is out of sight!! Let alone that sneaky microchip thing they put on the ink > cartridges. Hi Bob! I like the older HP lasers. They "just work" with CUPS and they last forever. I get them used at this little shop on Mariotti Court, Express Ink and Paper. Ink Jets are initially cheap, but the cartridges are the proprietary cash cow, damned corporate a55holes. Old HP lasers get my vote. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 00:54:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4skCe030264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:54:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7G4skkP030263 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:54:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4sj7w030259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:54:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4sjcx001602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:54:45 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.195]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7G4sVF3023923 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:54:31 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so33954nzi for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:54:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jzoczbjfYDB8KMdFxsdF5jiewsffaSqoS6Gjx0DwlW/tx+ErbiZSJv6Nd8Ih4pFa3yDdoHTbl1TCttG7EhaPE2szmEiw1yUDbf6rn3H9CMqF0+sHLjDv6gAJRFwNeUtHk79ZWZPjPCXYfsOaGLJHMXv8lFcIIMaa70/mnyZgIQE= Received: by 10.65.97.18 with SMTP id z18mr210535qbl; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.15 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:54:30 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT In-Reply-To: <44E2AE1A.7090609@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> <44E2AE1A.7090609@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.649, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i got a Konica Minolta magicolor 2400W laser printer. $180 at tigerdirect right now for refurb. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 06:47:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GAlvXR000999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:47:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7GAlvA4000998 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:47:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GAlvVq000994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:47:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GAlpIa025583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:47:57 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GAlaYp014434 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:47:41 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7GAlZWV014247 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608161047.k7GAlZWV014247@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 06:48:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> Thread-Index: AcbA54GLe1/jmH6NTVq7ZWaKuqyBbgAOBAEA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.21, required 6, AWL -2.44, BAYES_60 1.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> What is your favorite printer, and why. Okidata Dot Matrix!!!! Sorry, I was having a 1980's flashback.. Look at older HP LaserJets. LJ III and up. Fast, cheap (used), ink never dries up, heads never clog, ink never runs. Did I mention fast? Mine has a network card, so I can share it among all five PCs. Works great under Win, All Unix, Mac, etc. Mine has Postscript, and that's a big deal for those of us DTP (Desk Top Publishing) guys. Duplexers are nice as well. >> If I cough up the big bucks for a laser will I eventually save it in ink costs? Yes, there is some point where it gets cheaper. With ink, if you clog the printhead/cartridge (HP/Lexmark style) you have effectively used up all the ink. The longer you go between prints, the more likely you are to get clogs. On an Epson, it uses lots of ink to clean the nozzles. Canon not as bad. The bottom line is the cost per page can be huge if you get a clog. I use Windex (the real stuff) to clean nozzles when all else fails. Dissolves the ink nicely. For the record, I have an HP 8.5 x 11 inkjet, HP 11x17 inkjet, HP Laserjet and a Canon i9900 13x19 photo printer. A Panasonic dot matrix printer waits in the closet, hoping for a new mission. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob Stia Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 12:05 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT OK Sluggeers, What is your favorite printer, and why. Going to replace mine. Just a desktop. Doesn't get used that much. Some occasional color photos of garden variety stuff. Mostly forms and documents. Prefer parallel to usb. I have used Epson inkjets for several years and was always satisfied with them, until now. The present one is a Stylus C86. It is slow, uses ink in prodigious amounts, the heads always need cleaning, and the price of the ink is out of sight!! Let alone that sneaky microchip thing they put on the ink cartridges. If I cough up the big bucks for a laser will I eventually save it in ink costs? Like to know what you all think. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 07:20:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GBKJp8001337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:20:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7GBKJ3b001336 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:20:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GBKIkx001332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:20:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GBKI3g027165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:20:18 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GBJsiY028900 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:19:55 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so717664nfc for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:19:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WzDPx2Ivn6o39WaWB5aH9EJ3Yvh6r2o3lI9uAZymnAeCU97EwpAGvSAkcfCEQdN7RfxYPBK3RG22UxNY5JRLQy+DDeKueZ7yOeVEamc4v9QUKV9khXJqzYffzRQPwupl+qeEQHz7Df7nrUL0SDyaPO87fsfBPo6BwUBzBv/TtBc= Received: by 10.49.91.6 with SMTP id t6mr560809nfl; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.130.8 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 04:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <61575c810608160419t2d1c35a9wb0df0984c04d6069@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 07:19:53 -0400 From: "Matt Florell" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Asterisk users group meeting on Monday In-Reply-To: <44E27823.8020201@mathey.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <61575c810608151821k196c37b3rd14e51914820a6bf@mail.gmail.com> <44E27823.8020201@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.35, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.17, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/15/06, Chris Mathey wrote: > Matt Florell wrote: > > Hello, > > > > If any of you are interested, we will be having an > > Asterisk(Linux-based Open-source Phone system) meeting next Monday. > > > > We will be discussing Asterisk implementations and have a presentation > > of an OSS corporate user-interface web-app that is Asterisk-based. > > > > More information here: > > http://asteriskpbx.meetup.com/1/events/5065286/ > > > > MATT--- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > What's the focus of this meeting? I run Asterisk@home figuratively and > literally :) with Cisco 7960 + other various SIP phones. I have a > working setup but still want to keep learning as well as find new ways > to tweak my setup. Would it be beneficial to me? > > I also manage a very large Cisco VoIP network so maybe I could offer > expertise with managing SIP in an enterprise. > > Regards, > Chris > Hello, This is only our second meeting and we do not have schedules and specific topics of discussion for specific times yet so the meeting is much more free-form. Although we will be touring the facility I work at which is heavily Linux/Asterisk and I will be doing a short presentation on our Asterisk-integrated web-apps. Other than that the content is driven by the participants. There will be two Astricon speakers in attendance(one of them is me) so any new Asterisk users will have some good resources to ask questions to. We are both very familiar with enterprise Asterisk as well so we could have some productive discussions. Hope to see you there, MATT--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 10:04:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GE4wfK002732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:04:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7GE4vuo002731 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:04:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GE4vpB002727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:04:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GE4vYv003946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:04:57 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7GE4ago000780 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:04:36 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:04:30 -0600 Message-Id: <44E2ED9E.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:04:15 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: "SLUG" Subject: Re: [SLUG] iPOD conversion etc. References: <1155578391.4257.4.camel@skooby2.peacenet.us> <20060814212457.18182.qmail@web52607.mail.yahoo.com> <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608141431j250af654ke58d8911e5d390d4@mail.gmail.com> <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com> <44E196E1.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <1155688719.10596.29.camel@cthulhu> In-Reply-To: <1155688719.10596.29.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 8:38 PM, in message <1155688719.10596.29.camel@cthulhu>, Logan Tygart wrote: On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 07:41 -0600, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 2:51 PM, in message > <44E0C639.3030509@roblimo.com>, > "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" wrote: > > Levi Bard wrote: > >> http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html > I just plug mine into SLED10 and have the same features (and more). Keen! What do you mean by "(and more)."? Please expatiate! and more....expatiation below. A disclaimer first - I am not what one would call an audiophile. I listen to radio in the car. I use my ipod for primarily one thing - audible books. What I did do, however, is setup banshee to import all of my MP3s and to setup my wife's ipod phone. One useless feature is that banshee will detect the color and type of my ipod. Once detected, I can rip a new cd to it by simply inserting the cd, burn a cd from it, do all the sort magic and share the music via DAAP. I could also share my listening preferences via audioscrobbler, share recommendations and make my library sortable with beagle. Banshee also supports iTunes Music Store so one can make purchases. I've heard that one can download all the lyrics for any song with the Wikipedia plugin, but I haven't ventured there yet. The last thing that I like is simply the fact that I can drag and drop an audible file on my ipod and it automagically installs it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 21:33:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H1XeOk008325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:33:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7H1XesK008324 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:33:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H1XeNE008320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:33:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H1XeU9005483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:33:40 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H1XNeM001370 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:33:23 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7H1XLwP026441 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:33:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Boot Floppy Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:33:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608162133.25415.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.627, required 6, AWL -1.93, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net How do I make a boot floppy to boot SimplyMepis 6.0 as installed on the hard drive? The cd boots OK. They tell you how to make a boot floppy for that. I don't need it. Somewhere on the Mepis website, I found the instruction as root to run build boot floppy in terminal. That command didn't work. Also, how do you make a boot floppy for XANDROS 3.0? I haven't looked as hard for this one yet. I know floppy's are getting somewhat rare, but being able to boot the os with one is a good backup. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 16 23:39:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H3dkQd009338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:39:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7H3dk1K009337 for slug-track29; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:39:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H3dk30009333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:39:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H3djGV011526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:39:46 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.239]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H3clfc031860 for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:38:47 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so60611qbe for ; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:38:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MUuqTnUp3e2e2oqZYvwRSebQj48PwB1HcR1+opo9Gpg1lockzMDmyV7oCZ+Ry9dFMK3es710JtVBPGOdHqmubIQU9uZDxJ6/YzW30ha6on68jCbX1Ox1DGBLw/4cm8f/5FtB04uR69uZwpJT4PW+xMpbEUF8QTt5YIlnG7ipe2w= Received: by 10.49.8.15 with SMTP id l15mr1594142nfi; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.149.18 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:38:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:38:46 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.217, required 6, AWL 0.62, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Well, I still have not been able to come up with a good fix for the automount of the CF cards and other removable storage devices (CD and DVD's excep- ted), and I have also found that I no longer have audio, all on my laptop. Interesting thing is that the desktop machine I upgraded works great, yes the update part and YaST are as many people seem to point out, 'ssllooww' but beyond that the desktop works just fine, CF disk, SD cards, and other USB storage automounts just fine, audio works just fine. What is even more inter- esting is that during the upgrade process, the machine lost power, I thought it was really going to be a mess (it was during that part where they indicate you should not stop the process) indeed it worked quite well, picked up where the power loss had left it, and finished the job, it even handled the ndiswrapper thing nicely, I can see environmental data that was not being passed from the wifi card to the tools due to ndiswrapper, now it works real nice. So should I continue to battle with the laptop, or should I back my data up again and wipe it and try a new 10.1 install or should I back off to 10.0 which really worked real well on the laptop with a minimum of issues. If I can get 10.1 running there are some nice things that it has that I do not see on 10.0. In general given the response of two different machines I am really sort of let down after doing installs using 10.0 not only in my home but at my work place and at friends homes. I am not sure after these problems that I would recommend 10.1, I sure hope that they clear these issues up prior to 10.2. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 02:33:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6Xpcb010846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:33:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7H6Xpth010845 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:33:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6Xp03010841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:33:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6XpOu023608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:33:51 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6XWTj001545 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:33:33 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.223.35] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 73IDP00 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:33:24 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:46:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200608161047.k7GAlZWV014247@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200608161047.k7GAlZWV014247@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608170246.45868.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.151, required 6, AWL -0.85, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:48, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> What is your favorite printer, and why. > > Okidata Dot Matrix!!!! > > Sorry, I was having a 1980's flashback.. > > Look at older HP LaserJets. LJ III and up. Fast, cheap (used), ink never > dries up, heads never clog, ink never runs. Did I mention fast? Mine has > a network card, so I can share it among all five PCs. Works great under > Win, All Unix, Mac, etc. Mine has Postscript, and that's a big deal for > those of us DTP (Desk Top Publishing) guys. Duplexers are nice as well. > Thanks to all who replied. Seems that some of you think the old HP laserjets are the deal. Went looking. Hard to tell which is which. Do want color for the occasional photo and/or other desired printout. None of these talk about color. One that did look interesting was the Konica Minolta that Chris Lee mentioned. Thanks again. Any other comments welcomed. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 02:43:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6hev3010931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:43:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7H6heFR010930 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:43:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6heJl010926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:43:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6heFi023924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:43:40 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.208]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7H6hMaf029568 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:43:22 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.94]) by bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:43:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:43:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 06:43:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day news Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:43:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2006 06:43:21.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E70BD20:01C6C1C8] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.645, required 6, AWL -4.61, BAYES_99 3.50, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Software Freedom Day 2006 is only a month away. Here are some brief updates for those of you who are interested: SFD Contests IBM and Software Freedom International, the organization behind SFD, are sponsoring several SFD contests this year. Some of the contest categories include best event publicity, best SFD event photo, best media coverage, and best localised SFD logo. Head over to http://softwarefreedomday.org/Competition2006 to find out how you can win a prize and gain some recognition for our team. Official SFD T-Shirts SFD t-shirts may be purchased at http://tinyurl.com/h3kgl. Profits will help to cover t-shirt costs for SFD teams in developing nations. If you are interested in ordering a t-shirt for yourself or for one of our SFD event volunteers, please let me know soon so that it can be shipped with the other SFD materials that are being sent to our team. IRC Meeting for Volunteers Next Tuesday, August 22, at 7 p.m. there will be a planning and brainstorming session on irc://freenode.net/slug.fl for SLUG volunteers. The main topic will be ideas for promoting SFD and how we will carry them through. Please attend if you would like to help spread the word about the great SFD events that members of SLUG are bringing to Tampa this year. SFD Team Wiki As a reminder, details for our SFD events, volunteer information and promotional material are available on the SFD wiki at http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa. I have recently added a press release for our team in case anyone else would like to use it. -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 12:02:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HG25bc015744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:02:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HG25kO015743 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:02:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HG25hY015739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:02:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HG24YE025655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:02:05 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HG1j5m017858 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:01:45 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:01:44 -0600 Message-Id: <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:01:33 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.075, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k7HG25hX015740 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:38 PM, in message <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" wrote: > Well, I still have not been able to come up with a good fix for the automount > of the CF cards and other removable storage devices (CD and DVD's excep- > ted), and I have also found that I no longer have audio, all on my laptop. > > Interesting thing is that the desktop machine I upgraded works great, yes > the > update part and YaST are as many people seem to point out, 'ssllooww' but > beyond that the desktop works just fine, CF disk, SD cards, and other USB > storage automounts just fine, audio works just fine. What is even more inter- > esting is that during the upgrade process, the machine lost power, I thought > it was really going to be a mess (it was during that part where they > indicate > you should not stop the process) indeed it worked quite well, picked up > where > the power loss had left it, and finished the job, it even handled the > ndiswrapper > thing nicely, I can see environmental data that was not being passed from > the wifi card to the tools due to ndiswrapper, now it works real nice. > > So should I continue to battle with the laptop, or should I back my data up > again and wipe it and try a new 10.1 install or should I back off to 10.0 > which really worked real well on the laptop with a minimum of issues. If I > can get 10.1 running there are some nice things that it has that I do not > see on 10.0. > > In general given the response of two different machines I am really sort > of let down after doing installs using 10.0 not only in my home but at my > work place and at friends homes. I am not sure after these problems that > I would recommend 10.1, I sure hope that they clear these issues up prior > to 10.2. Having not followed your issues, I'm unable to say one way or another, however SLED10 does have a lot of the additional fixes that have been put into the openSUSE 10.2 code (as of alpha3). I have not had any removable device issues ( I don't have a CF card, but a SD and smartmedia) so I would be interested to see output from udevmonitor when you plug in the device to see if it's being seen correctly. Personally, I'd take a stab at SLED10 instead since you have a lot more than openSUSE and it's still freely downloadable. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 12:52:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HGqA2x016122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:52:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HGqAnh016121 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:52:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HGqAWL016117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:52:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HGq9fC028239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:52:10 -0400 Received: from www.ctrust.com (70-88-58-202-western-fl.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.88.58.202] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HGpu9L009004 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:51:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.149] (unknown [192.168.100.149]) by www.ctrust.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5477975C001 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44E49EAD.9010500@ctrust.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:51:57 -0400 From: Craig Zeigler User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT References: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.5, required 6, BAYES_99 3.50, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > >> OK Sluggeers, >> >> What is your favorite printer, and why. Going to replace mine. Just a >> desktop. >> Doesn't get used that much. Some occasional color photos of garden >> variety >> stuff. Mostly forms and documents. Prefer parallel to usb. >> >> I have used Epson inkjets for several years and was always satisfied >> with >> them, until now. The present one is a Stylus C86. It is slow, uses >> ink in >> prodigious amounts, the heads always need cleaning, and the price of >> the ink >> is out of sight!! Let alone that sneaky microchip thing they put on >> the ink >> cartridges. >> >> If I cough up the big bucks for a laser will I eventually save it in ink >> costs? > > > Yes, The laser per-page cost is around $0.05, versus about $0.25 for > an inkjet. And laser prints don't run when they get wet. Toner > cartridges last a lot longer than ink cartridges too. Anybody know if > color laser printers are quite expensive, like they used to be? > > No, I don't have a laser printer; my inkjet is one of these: > > http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=118&modelid=6620 > > = http://wombatlink.com/?588x15oocw > > Small, to go with my laptop. > We have a Ricoh DL4000N here, and it has been great. It was about $1500, which was about the cost of the BW HP I was going ot get. the color toner yields about 5-8K prints each and cost about $85 each. The BW yields about 20-22K for us. Well worth the money. -- Craig Zeigler Network Administrator Caldwell Trust Company 201 Center Road Venice, Florida 34292 (941) 493-3600 (941) 496-4660 Fax http://www.ctrust.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 14:41:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HIfS6Y017025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:41:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HIfSmX017024 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:41:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HIfSmR017020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:41:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HIfRfg001567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:41:28 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.234]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HIfEYn014441 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:41:15 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so165668qbe for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:41:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aqYVA4eZwQ6486EgGivO90dF3Zj2N6T1GjYoFiVor0gZICgmbx82eLY8+q3qNZ0sInwvItbcmhMqIWbvPrAJMwhyzlE50DNvZynzm11QQOEBtmQR9m0J27udAMzzzFtgiR/FLCEB0WMc1NcLU7+p1IegJrTw08wNl7PaXrjhOOc= Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr2799030nfk; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:41:12 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.012, required 6, AWL 0.41, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/17/06, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:38 PM, in message > <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" > wrote: > > Well, I still have not been able to come up with a good fix for the automount > > of the CF cards and other removable storage devices (CD and DVD's excep- > > ted), and I have also found that I no longer have audio, all on my laptop. > > > > Interesting thing is that the desktop machine I upgraded works great, yes > > the > > update part and YaST are as many people seem to point out, 'ssllooww' but > > beyond that the desktop works just fine, CF disk, SD cards, and other USB > > storage automounts just fine, audio works just fine. What is even more inter- > > esting is that during the upgrade process, the machine lost power, I thought > > it was really going to be a mess (it was during that part where they > > indicate > > you should not stop the process) indeed it worked quite well, picked up > > where > > the power loss had left it, and finished the job, it even handled the > > ndiswrapper > > thing nicely, I can see environmental data that was not being passed from > > the wifi card to the tools due to ndiswrapper, now it works real nice. > > > > So should I continue to battle with the laptop, or should I back my data up > > again and wipe it and try a new 10.1 install or should I back off to 10.0 > > which really worked real well on the laptop with a minimum of issues. If I > > can get 10.1 running there are some nice things that it has that I do not > > see on 10.0. > > > > In general given the response of two different machines I am really sort > > of let down after doing installs using 10.0 not only in my home but at my > > work place and at friends homes. I am not sure after these problems that > > I would recommend 10.1, I sure hope that they clear these issues up prior > > to 10.2. > > Having not followed your issues, I'm unable to say one way or another, however SLED10 does have a lot of the additional fixes that have been put into the openSUSE 10.2 code (as of alpha3). I have not had any removable device issues ( I don't have a CF card, but a SD and smartmedia) so I would be interested to see output from udevmonitor when you plug in the device to see if it's being seen correctly. > Personally, I'd take a stab at SLED10 instead since you have a lot more than openSUSE and it's still freely downloadable. > Here is the thread; Permission denied to CF card. That will give you a idea of what we were discussing with the removal media. I bought the box (a few weeks ago) and thought that it would be as free of problems as 10.0 was (it did real well, most things that I fixed were just small things as far as I can remember, all installs regardless of the system have to be polished up, but 10.2 sort of went backwards on the laptop (IBM Thinkpad T42) which sort of appeared to just work. Now I find that not only does the removable media (CF and SD type type devices) not work, but my sound does not appear to be working. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 15:21:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HJL1ON017392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:21:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HJL1oD017387 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:21:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HJL0dT017383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:21:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HJL0wc003428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:21:00 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HJKgJ4018951 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:20:42 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:20:37 -0600 Message-Id: <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:20:26 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.201, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.20, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 2:41 PM, in message <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" wrote: > On 8/17/06, John Pugh wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Aug 16, 2006 at 11:38 PM, in message >> <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" >> wrote: >> > Well, I still have not been able to come up with a good fix for the > automount >> > of the CF cards and other removable storage devices (CD and DVD's excep- >> > ted), and I have also found that I no longer have audio, all on my laptop. >> > >> > Interesting thing is that the desktop machine I upgraded works great, yes >> > the >> > update part and YaST are as many people seem to point out, 'ssllooww' but >> > beyond that the desktop works just fine, CF disk, SD cards, and other USB >> > storage automounts just fine, audio works just fine. What is even more > inter- >> > esting is that during the upgrade process, the machine lost power, I > thought >> > it was really going to be a mess (it was during that part where they >> > indicate >> > you should not stop the process) indeed it worked quite well, picked up >> > where >> > the power loss had left it, and finished the job, it even handled the >> > ndiswrapper >> > thing nicely, I can see environmental data that was not being passed from >> > the wifi card to the tools due to ndiswrapper, now it works real nice. >> > >> > So should I continue to battle with the laptop, or should I back my data up >> > again and wipe it and try a new 10.1 install or should I back off to 10.0 >> > which really worked real well on the laptop with a minimum of issues. If I >> > can get 10.1 running there are some nice things that it has that I do not >> > see on 10.0. >> > >> > In general given the response of two different machines I am really sort >> > of let down after doing installs using 10.0 not only in my home but at my >> > work place and at friends homes. I am not sure after these problems that >> > I would recommend 10.1, I sure hope that they clear these issues up prior >> > to 10.2. >> >> Having not followed your issues, I'm unable to say one way or another, > however SLED10 does have a lot of the additional fixes that have been put > into the openSUSE 10.2 code (as of alpha3). I have not had any removable > device issues ( I don't have a CF card, but a SD and smartmedia) so I would > be interested to see output from udevmonitor when you plug in the device to > see if it's being seen correctly. >> Personally, I'd take a stab at SLED10 instead since you have a lot more than > openSUSE and it's still freely downloadable. >> > > Here is the thread; > Permission denied to CF card. > That will give you a idea of what we were discussing with the removal > media. > > I bought the box (a few weeks ago) and thought that it would be as > free of problems as 10.0 was (it did real well, most things that I fixed > were just small things as far as I can remember, all installs regardless > of the system have to be polished up, but 10.2 sort of went backwards > on the laptop (IBM Thinkpad T42) which sort of appeared to just work. > > Now I find that not only does the removable media (CF and SD type > type devices) not work, but my sound does not appear to be working. > > I can understand that with 10.2 since it's only alpha3. Sorry if I'm requesting info that you already provided, but what is the sound card on your machine? Intel has had problems and there is a fix/workaround. The CF card I'll need more detail...permission denied can be a plethora of issues from it being locked to it being mounted RO to there being a udev issue. If you can give me the udevmonitor output when you put it in and the details of what happens afterwards (spare the list if you wish), I'll see if I can help out and if anything search/input a bug on it. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 16:37:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HKb2hQ017961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:37:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HKb2Gg017960 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:37:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HKb2xc017956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:37:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HKb1e4006383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:37:01 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HKagga013134 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:36:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.200] ([71.100.238.69]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4500E3IT8GZ5I6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:36:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:37:12 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-reply-to: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608171637.12838.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Organization: Joe-Di Enterprises MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.758, required 6, AWL -1.40, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 16 August 2006 11:38 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > Well, I still have not been able to come up with a good fix for the > automount of the CF cards and other removable storage devices (CD and DVD's > excep- ted), and I have also found that I no longer have audio, all on my > laptop. > > Interesting thing is that the desktop machine I upgraded works great, yes > the update part and YaST are as many people seem to point out, 'ssllooww' > but beyond that the desktop works just fine, CF disk, SD cards, and other > USB storage automounts just fine, audio works just fine. What is even more > inter- esting is that during the upgrade process, the machine lost power, I > thought it was really going to be a mess (it was during that part where > they indicate you should not stop the process) indeed it worked quite well, > picked up where the power loss had left it, and finished the job, it even > handled the ndiswrapper > thing nicely, I can see environmental data that was not being passed from > the wifi card to the tools due to ndiswrapper, now it works real nice. > > So should I continue to battle with the laptop, or should I back my data up > again and wipe it and try a new 10.1 install or should I back off to 10.0 > which really worked real well on the laptop with a minimum of issues. If I > can get 10.1 running there are some nice things that it has that I do not > see on 10.0. > > In general given the response of two different machines I am really sort > of let down after doing installs using 10.0 not only in my home but at my > work place and at friends homes. I am not sure after these problems that > I would recommend 10.1, I sure hope that they clear these issues up prior > to 10.2. I opted to go back to 10.0 on my laptop. Was going to purchase a boxed Suse version. Now I am not so sure. May try SLED 10.0. But then again "If it ain't fixed, break it" or was that the other way around?? -- 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 17:43:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HLhtUY018513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:43:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HLht9U018512 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:43:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HLhtq8018508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:43:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HLhtUJ009264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:43:55 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HLhaQg020559 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:43:37 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7HLhZ7D008577 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608172143.k7HLhZ7D008577@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:44:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: AcbBx0LM+fMqFEiXTWSmhIVcEps/cwAfsiUA In-reply-to: <200608170246.45868.rnr@sanctum.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.891, required 6, AWL -1.76, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Do want color for the occasional photo and/or other desired printout. None of these talk about color. Avoid color lasers for photos. Inkjets are far better for that. You might consider a laser for most output, plus a low cost inkjet for color. But if you don't print much, an inkjet alone may do the job. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob Stia Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:47 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:48, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> What is your favorite printer, and why. > > Okidata Dot Matrix!!!! > > Sorry, I was having a 1980's flashback.. > > Look at older HP LaserJets. LJ III and up. Fast, cheap (used), ink > never dries up, heads never clog, ink never runs. Did I mention fast? > Mine has a network card, so I can share it among all five PCs. Works > great under Win, All Unix, Mac, etc. Mine has Postscript, and that's > a big deal for those of us DTP (Desk Top Publishing) guys. Duplexers are nice as well. > Thanks to all who replied. Seems that some of you think the old HP laserjets are the deal. Went looking. Hard to tell which is which. Do want color for the occasional photo and/or other desired printout. None of these talk about color. One that did look interesting was the Konica Minolta that Chris Lee mentioned. Thanks again. Any other comments welcomed. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 18:03:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HM3PjW018712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:03:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HM3PX9018711 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:03:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HM3Ob0018707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:03:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HM3AP3010120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:03:24 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HM2udH003710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:02:57 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GDpwy-0000Ne-NC for slug@nks.net; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:02:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <44E49EAD.9010500@ctrust.com> References: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> <44E49EAD.9010500@ctrust.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-oUxnGaH35AbcWiGrd97O" Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:01:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1155852113.2632.1.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.361, required 6, AWL -0.64, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-oUxnGaH35AbcWiGrd97O Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 12:51 -0400, Craig Zeigler wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Bob Stia wrote: My favorite printer, of all time, is the Star NX-10. They are sweet and stay crunchy in milk. The Logan --=20 It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again. It does this= whenever it's told. -- Buffalo Bill Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-oUxnGaH35AbcWiGrd97O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE5OdP3OecGqSbkyMRAsiHAJ43Lrg40Ry9p0EcioVipBBXrBFzjwCgz5T4 SaKb4rKTkROLO0n4oP/sE4g= =aHUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-oUxnGaH35AbcWiGrd97O-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 19:41:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNf4Ac019523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HNf4v4019521 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNf3xd019514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNf33o013948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:04 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNeb0U002616 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:40:44 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so201413qbe for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:40:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qJl7eVuVQfCw+zgHfPjer+4pXQXUz8RRc72zo+L3uKCXVjOk3rFfdZvgaXe1DFDTbgi1lPRvjW/tAa6nztCO0SGMVNHXCElRJQaKrsxM9sTGx3Xsa4DorbPr4gc5cdq7JGQu6Sk+JXVZSBc4SHj0W9ZZtWHaLatGHiVi5OG7r2o= Received: by 10.49.20.5 with SMTP id x5mr3001797nfi; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608171640s73dc8f09u282697b049b55a97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:40:43 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <200608171637.12838.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <200608171637.12838.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.168, required 6, AWL 0.57, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/17/06, Joe Brandt wrote: > On Wednesday 16 August 2006 11:38 pm, Chuck Hast wrote: > > Well, I still have not been able to come up with a good fix for the > > automount of the CF cards and other removable storage devices (CD and DVD's > > excep- ted), and I have also found that I no longer have audio, all on my > > laptop. > > > > Interesting thing is that the desktop machine I upgraded works great, yes > > the update part and YaST are as many people seem to point out, 'ssllooww' > > but beyond that the desktop works just fine, CF disk, SD cards, and other > > USB storage automounts just fine, audio works just fine. What is even more > > inter- esting is that during the upgrade process, the machine lost power, I > > thought it was really going to be a mess (it was during that part where > > they indicate you should not stop the process) indeed it worked quite well, > > picked up where the power loss had left it, and finished the job, it even > > handled the ndiswrapper > > thing nicely, I can see environmental data that was not being passed from > > the wifi card to the tools due to ndiswrapper, now it works real nice. > > > > So should I continue to battle with the laptop, or should I back my data up > > again and wipe it and try a new 10.1 install or should I back off to 10.0 > > which really worked real well on the laptop with a minimum of issues. If I > > can get 10.1 running there are some nice things that it has that I do not > > see on 10.0. > > > > In general given the response of two different machines I am really sort > > of let down after doing installs using 10.0 not only in my home but at my > > work place and at friends homes. I am not sure after these problems that > > I would recommend 10.1, I sure hope that they clear these issues up prior > > to 10.2. > > I opted to go back to 10.0 on my laptop. Was going to purchase a boxed Suse > version. Now I am not so sure. May try SLED 10.0. But then again "If it > ain't fixed, break it" or was that the other way around?? Joe, what is even more frustrating is the fact that it installed on a old HP desktop that was sort of picky on the 10.0 install, but it was easy to fix the problems. The update to 10.1 was so clean that I figured if it was that good on the old machine it surely should have gone very well on the IBM, partic- ularly since the original install of 10.0 went so well on the ibm. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 19:41:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNf5Vh019524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7HNf432019522 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNf39B019513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNf33m013948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:41:03 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7HNeb0T002616 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:40:37 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so201413qbe for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:40:37 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NlwWueeDfxW9JXiFWHSmI8o+AqSYpbN/IcBVU1MfTLVySdhMCwqZZqi60jQN9+zA1xU+3aAVmi+5iUosZd7rgwpTP67tttH0Ktk4VU2qcJA7bwPbyx+z+I/BBt+W1INLJvkGddFkA5oixJJqUorWXxL35WcxSnuCA2L0VI1bDJU= Received: by 10.48.230.18 with SMTP id c18mr3241171nfh; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 16:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608171640g70de77edpfd3bb3265d458e7c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:40:36 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.191, required 6, AWL 0.59, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/17/06, John Pugh wrote: > I can understand that with 10.2 since it's only alpha3. Sorry if I'm > requesting info that you already provided, but what is the sound card on > your machine? Intel has had problems and there is a fix/workaround. The > CF card I'll need more detail...permission denied can be a plethora of > issues from it being locked to it being mounted RO to there being a udev > issue. If you can give me the udevmonitor output when you put it in and > the details of what happens afterwards (spare the list if you wish), > I'll see if I can help out and if anything search/input a bug on it. > Have not tried 10.2, but I am seeing things that sound quite interesting. I wish I had got SLED vs the boxed SuSE 10.1 now and given it a try. I will get the laptop on line and pull the files that you are looking for and see what they show. I assume that I should attempt to mount a CF card so that we have a known mount attempt. I will get the info on the sound device too. It just seems so strange that the laptop which was such a easy install on 10.0 seems to have so many issues. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 21:18:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1IZJo020347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:18:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7I1IZdH020346 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:18:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1IZ3l020342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:18:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1IZ4t017890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:18:35 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1IKFv004145 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:18:21 -0400 Received: from [70.124.150.57] (57-150.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.150.57]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7I1IJuO029162; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44E51583.6060305@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:18:59 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060730 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT References: <200608172143.k7HLhZ7D008577@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200608172143.k7HLhZ7D008577@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.842, required 6, AWL -1.43, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR 1.12, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Avoid color lasers for photos. Inkjets are far better for that. Why? Have you seen the output of a photo quality laser printer? > You might consider a laser for most output, plus a low cost inkjet for > color. But if you don't print much, an inkjet alone may do the job. I would think "thermal dye transfer" would be better than inkjet for color if "you don't print much." (as is the KODAK kiosk at Wally World) -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 21:39:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1dGkK020482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7I1dGPm020481 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1dFvU020477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1dFdW018775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:15 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1d3lX002108 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:03 -0400 Received: from [24.144.76.85] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GDtKB-0001IU-KS for slug@nks.net; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <44E51A37.9000509@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:03 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060411 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT References: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26090e7e4ea9b77ddbb05f1c155fbcb70d7c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.85 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > ... > I have used Epson inkjets for several years and was always satisfied with > them, until now. The present one is a Stylus C86. It is slow, uses ink in > prodigious amounts, the heads always need cleaning, and the price of the ink > is out of sight!! Let alone that sneaky microchip thing they put on the ink > cartridges. I'll second the advice about the Epson C86. I was given a used C86, but spent quite a bit on the large black ink cartidge. I use it infrequently, but every time I use it I need to clean the heads. Today it took 3 or 4 cleanings before it printed decently (that's what I was going when I read Bob's post). Now it tells me it is low on ink -- probably because of all the head cleanings. -- Mark Polhamus ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 17 21:39:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1dl93020496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7I1dln4020495 for slug-track29; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1dkPJ020491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1dkXS018792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:46 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I1dQpm005960 for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:39:27 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a7.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783EAB6FCF for ; Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:39:25 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:41:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200608172143.k7HLhZ7D008577@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <44E51583.6060305@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <44E51583.6060305@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608172141.56980.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.65, required 6, AWL -0.35, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 17 August 2006 21:18, Ron Youvan wrote: > > Avoid color lasers for photos. Inkjets are far better for that. > > Why? Have you seen the output of a photo quality laser printer? > > > You might consider a laser for most output, plus a low cost inkjet for > > color. But if you don't print much, an inkjet alone may do the job. It really is cheaper for low volume. Though I hate using it as it's many times more expensive than toner and the price of high res color toner printers. > I would think "thermal dye transfer" would be better than inkjet for > color if "you don't print much." (as is the KODAK kiosk at Wally World) What kind of pricing and resolution are we looking at now? -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 18 01:34:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I5YpGK022439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:34:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7I5Yppu022438 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:34:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I5YpIT022434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:34:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I5Yoke032761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:34:51 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7I5Ycvt031424 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:34:38 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.200.184] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 73RMF00 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:34:36 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:48:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 References: <200608161047.k7GAlZWV014247@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200608161047.k7GAlZWV014247@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608180148.06981.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.819, required 6, AWL -0.78, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:48, Ken Elliott wrote: > > Yes, there is some point where it gets cheaper. With ink, if you clog the > printhead/cartridge (HP/Lexmark style) you have effectively used up all the > ink. The longer you go between prints, the more likely you are to get > clogs. On an Epson, it uses lots of ink to clean the nozzles. Canon not > as bad. The bottom line is the cost per page can be huge if you get a > clog. I use Windex (the real stuff) to clean nozzles when all else fails. > Dissolves the ink nicely. > Hey Ken, If I try to rescue the Epson C86, I have some questions. Right now the "magenta" is not printing. You stated that you clean the print head with Windex. ( A really messy process I imagine) Worth giving it a shot, I guess. I am a pretty good mechanic and can usually fix just about anything. Can that be done without removing all of the ink cartridges? Reason I ask is that on a previous Epson printer,when I tried to clean it, once the cartridges were removed and put back in again they wouldn't "register" and needed to be replaced even though there was plenty of ink left in them. Hence my comment about the "sneaky" Epson microchip. (BTW there was a class action suit over this "business practice" and they agreed to settle. Sometime in the next year or so I will get a big deal $45 credit from the Epson store) Anyway, would be interested in any comments. Still gonna get me one of those lasers though. Many many years ago (Win 3.1 days) I had an Okidata 400? until it needed a lot of new parts and I gave up on it. Was only B&W but it was fast! Wish I still had it today. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 18 06:07:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IA7SKK024894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:07:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7IA7SBa024893 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:07:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IA7RRW024889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:07:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IA7ReH018935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:07:27 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IA75xm023397 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:07:05 -0400 Received: from postoffice.omnis.com (mail-hub-2.int.omnis.com [10.0.0.37]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EDE1B547 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (82-109.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.109.82]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB23D1880A34 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 03:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44E59152.1060004@myraandpete.net> Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:07:14 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT References: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200608160005.23502.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.888, required 6, AWL -2.00, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: >OK Sluggeers, > >What is your favorite printer, and why. Going to replace mine. Just a desktop. >Doesn't get used that much. Some occasional color photos of garden variety >stuff. Mostly forms and documents. Prefer parallel to usb. > >I have used Epson inkjets for several years and was always satisfied with >them, until now. The present one is a Stylus C86. It is slow, uses ink in >prodigious amounts, the heads always need cleaning, and the price of the ink >is out of sight!! Let alone that sneaky microchip thing they put on the ink >cartridges. > >If I cough up the big bucks for a laser will I eventually save it in ink >costs? > >Like to know what you all think. > >Bob S. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > Been very pleased with the cost and reliablility of Samsung ML-1710 (laser, b&w only). Have had it for ~ 2 years. Picked it up for about $60 (after S&H and $30 rebate at the time). Have gone through the origional toner cart. (believe they are 3,000 page cartridge). Downsides: model I purchased did not have a parallel port, only USB. This requires USB port or one of the USB networking devices (such as an HP deskjet networking device). Also, I have found it to jam frequently with 20# paper. Only using 24# paper has resolved this issue. If I need color, I usually go to Kinko's, Staples, Snapfish (for pictures) or friends house. Otherwise, runs like a champ. Quick search picks it up (refurbished) for $86.72 (including S&H) http://www.a2zcomp.com/buy.asp?REF=12&SKU=789408R toner cartridge for $64 (for the 3,000 page capacity) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817102303&ATT=17-102-303&CMP=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r Pete S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 18 12:46:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGkS3g028141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7IGkSd5028140 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGkR8q028136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGkRpa005673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGkDnb010970 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:14 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7IGkCVR018930 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608181646.k7IGkCVR018930@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:45:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200608180148.06981.rnr@sanctum.com> Thread-Index: AcbCiCKwUIJSq9czTaOgnw3orF7srQAXQYOw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.432, required 6, AWL -1.81, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> You stated that you clean the print head with Windex. >> Can that be done without removing all of the ink cartridges? I've not tried this with Epsons. I suspect you'll need to remove the printhead, and spray Windex into the ink ports. Let it sit for 10-30 minutes. Blow out the Windex and reinstall. On HP printers, remove the print cartridge and place a piece of paper towel on the print head. Soak it with Windex. Let it soak for 10-30 minutes. Reinstall and it will work or not. Repeat a couple of times until it works. After four trys, I give up. If I had an Epson, I'd try this for sure. Your mileage may vary, but I've saved many carts over the last 10 years. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob Stia Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:48 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:48, Ken Elliott wrote: > > Yes, there is some point where it gets cheaper. With ink, if you clog > the printhead/cartridge (HP/Lexmark style) you have effectively used > up all the ink. The longer you go between prints, the more likely you > are to get clogs. On an Epson, it uses lots of ink to clean the > nozzles. Canon not as bad. The bottom line is the cost per page can > be huge if you get a clog. I use Windex (the real stuff) to clean nozzles when all else fails. > Dissolves the ink nicely. > Hey Ken, If I try to rescue the Epson C86, I have some questions. Right now the "magenta" is not printing. You stated that you clean the print head with Windex. ( A really messy process I imagine) Worth giving it a shot, I guess. I am a pretty good mechanic and can usually fix just about anything. Can that be done without removing all of the ink cartridges? Reason I ask is that on a previous Epson printer,when I tried to clean it, once the cartridges were removed and put back in again they wouldn't "register" and needed to be replaced even though there was plenty of ink left in them. Hence my comment about the "sneaky" Epson microchip. (BTW there was a class action suit over this "business practice" and they agreed to settle. Sometime in the next year or so I will get a big deal $45 credit from the Epson store) Anyway, would be interested in any comments. Still gonna get me one of those lasers though. Many many years ago (Win 3.1 days) I had an Okidata 400? until it needed a lot of new parts and I gave up on it. Was only B&W but it was fast! Wish I still had it today. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 18 12:51:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGpnDp028180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7IGpnLs028179 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGpmRG028175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGpmFO005901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:48 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IGpTKd002539 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:29 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7IGpSQO029504 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608181651.k7IGpSQO029504@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:51:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <44E51583.6060305@tampabay.rr.com> Thread-Index: AcbCZFxwYuY6MPKgT5awTuXgXSZl4AAgZmeg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3, required 6, AWL -3.25, BAYES_60 1.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> Avoid color lasers for photos. Inkjets are far better for that. > Why? Have you seen the output of a photo quality laser printer? Yes. We have about 20 units of 5 brands at work. None of the are anywhere close to photo quality. Keep in mind that I'm a photographer, so my standards might be different. >>> You might consider a laser for most output, plus a low cost inkjet for >>> color. But if you don't print much, an inkjet alone may do the job. > I would think "thermal dye transfer" would be better than inkjet for color if "you don't print much." I don't know what printer that is, but some of the dye sub printers are vastly better for photos than ink jet. But they are horrible for text. Not worth considering for a general use printer. Another option - print your photos at Costco, a photo store, etc. They have high end systems that use true photo paper. Quality is much higher than anything we'd have at home. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Ron Youvan Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:19 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT > Avoid color lasers for photos. Inkjets are far better for that. Why? Have you seen the output of a photo quality laser printer? > You might consider a laser for most output, plus a low cost inkjet for > color. But if you don't print much, an inkjet alone may do the job. I would think "thermal dye transfer" would be better than inkjet for color if "you don't print much." (as is the KODAK kiosk at Wally World) -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 18 13:19:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IHJb6c028465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7IHJb5p028464 for slug-track29; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IHJbto028460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7IHJa7g007277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:36 -0400 Received: from web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.123]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k7IHJOSj000953 for ; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 13:19:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 34107 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Aug 2006 17:19:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O33RCdt6a+KVzBcq0HDsB7zYgxyEkPHyUoK9I/RB57C3nT8TCI8rmnu3TEhAvM7lXypN5A+Ns/S+JZ8xbERwMaxqFEy6fj0R26QHzYrS8zGNb421zfGmhv7ozptSZzOsJxtRtPSyJbgz9DUt3pWOJuw1Avlv7XVJywQLkPTSnl8= ; Message-ID: <20060818171923.34105.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.106.124.254] by web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:19:23 PDT Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnDz Subject: [SLUG] Pentaho BI / Suse info To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.174, required 6, AWL -1.18, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I see frequent discussions about Novell/Suse, so some of you might find this interesting. I am just starting to play with pieces of the Pentaho components now. I'm curious to hear if anyone out there in slug land is using pentaho. http://pentaho.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=171&Itemid=238 johndz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 17:44:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JLiaIP009751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:44:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7JLia3t009750 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:44:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JLiMxl009746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:44:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JLiGr9003194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:44:16 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JLi0Nk025668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:44:00 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEYbn-0006YF-3q; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:43:59 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EAD56BE0; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:43:57 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net, "This is the PC Support list." Subject: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.963, required 6, AWL -1.19, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've got a P4 box, my main box, where the frame for the CPU heat sink broke off, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get replacements for that. If you have a P4, you know it's about the size of a 386 CPU, but on top of it sits this massive heatsink/fan block. At least on mine, there are two steel tension clips that clip to a plastic framework and hold the heatsink/fan down onto the CPU. That plastic framework is about an inch to an inch-and-a-half tall, with four plastic "posts" which the spring clips can hook to. Well, the end of one of the posts broke off, and the heatsink/fan came off. Right now, I've got a string of four zip ties holding the fan down on that side. But I'm wondering if anyone's ever heard of this problem, and if a new plastic frame gizmo can be had to replace the old one. Anyone know? -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 18:16:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JMGUxR010095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:16:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7JMGUI4010094 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:16:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JMGUp1010090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:16:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JMGUi1004854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:16:30 -0400 Received: from web52102.mail.yahoo.com (web52102.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.105]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k7JMG8qF014114 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:16:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 62576 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Aug 2006 22:16:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dN3yU8zhAvu4IWEzIaXx/Bs2iQr2/1GO/vH1JR1FRLmskkZcwyFhGCQQ4/cELEnnO0O8kT3Blji5Z7evE89xvce5+KGBMKvv7IgQROPiEtPsq2iuvD3ija5DwFBv7S+Vq0trk/pjebBxYeRlg2TrJX7WuMYSsOY/JwxW7TCPnjU= ; Message-ID: <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.98.172.200] by web52102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:16:06 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 15:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Eanes Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I just repaired one like your talking about, but the break was in a cross member. I don't know if this will work with a broken post, but here's my fix: We have dozens of thick plastic ties sitting around, so I cut a piece of the black plastic to fit the broken cross member. I used super glue and a pair of vice gripps to apply pressure to the plastic. This kind of plastic is not readily glued by the superglue. Instead, it just kind of melts it. So don't put too much on. It does take longer to dry, but when it's dry it will have fused the two pieces of plastic together. It's important to note that the plastic I'm talking about is not the thin floppy plastic like the trash ties are made of, but the thick plastic cable ties you find in Home Depot. I've not had a lot of luck McGivering anything with the thin stuff. Good Luck. Rob --- Paul M Foster wrote: > I've got a P4 box, my main box, where the frame for > the CPU heat sink > broke off, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get > replacements for > that. If you have a P4, you know it's about the size > of a 386 CPU, but > on top of it sits this massive heatsink/fan block. > At least on mine, > there are two steel tension clips that clip to a > plastic framework and > hold the heatsink/fan down onto the CPU. That > plastic framework is about > an inch to an inch-and-a-half tall, with four > plastic "posts" which the > spring clips can hook to. Well, the end of one of > the posts broke off, > and the heatsink/fan came off. > > Right now, I've got a string of four zip ties > holding the fan down on > that side. But I'm wondering if anyone's ever heard > of this problem, and > if a new plastic frame gizmo can be had to replace > the old one. Anyone know? > > -- > Paul M. Foster > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 19:16:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNGtXw010610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:16:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7JNGt0Z010609 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:16:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNGsqC010605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:16:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNGs1s007637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:16:54 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNGZAU013373 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:16:35 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1711666pyf for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:16:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mbq/dEvv1pp7RgTMrgwE6IWPt/oUhgGcy99GiYB07gKTUJdMA5SrDAdZSSIJG1hzZuA9QOj1vo1lNyVVXZA0UWWUZMQXyh0lj60zDcEoTGZ6xqu5rXS6G5R0b0cHDKwxCaDvyWgNE6XSIMsA5TyUXB09ZwTlF5sak7OKUvs2gV4= Received: by 10.65.51.16 with SMTP id d16mr5259457qbk; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.15 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:16:34 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken In-Reply-To: <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.377, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.38, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i got a p4 im just about to get rid off, 2.8ghz, 1gig memory, no HDD anybody want this, it will be available start of next month. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 19:18:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNIlrB010631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:18:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7JNIlfW010630 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:18:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNIkcT010626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:18:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNIkVe007672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:18:46 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNIVwd016172 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:18:31 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1712139pyf for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KhC5S3dHmiLbf35OBVgGS1iudk3irjqNuXRj7GdxJxJdiA1stJ9dUQnkbDHwDuylF7borFUWLqYfi8gwFmMCN3e/NgR5ntJyc3F301ZrXBebr+ld6y5dfTllT+HcAe+dnS9wQf06g+SyI5Nx7X03O1ZNCa7ayrha0x+ibIMuDfc= Received: by 10.64.241.3 with SMTP id o3mr5262600qbh; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.15 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:18:31 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.075, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.11, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net damn google draft auto save. make a offer on it, im not looking for much. On 8/19/06, chris lee wrote: > i got a p4 im just about to get rid off, P4 northwood 2.8ghz, 2x512meg PC2700 memory, no HDD since im keeping mine 52x CD burner. > > anybody want this, it will be available start of next month. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 19:24:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNOi2m010691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7JNOi2h010690 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNOiFk010686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNOivq007899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:44 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNOWgT020505 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:33 -0400 Received: from athlon2400 (242818hfc166.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.28.18.166]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7JNOVg2027127 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c6c3e6$a476c7a0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:24:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.351, required 6, AWL -0.35, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here ya go. http://www.nexfan.com/inp4so478rec.html If you don't want to pay the price you can check the local shops to see if you can get one off a dead motherboard. They are starting to show up in some quantitys. I have 2 of them but do not have the time to deliver them. I am swamped with repair jobs right now. JamesS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul M Foster" To: ; "This is the PC Support list." Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken > I've got a P4 box, my main box, where the frame for the CPU heat sink > broke off, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get replacements for > that. If you have a P4, you know it's about the size of a 386 CPU, but on > top of it sits this massive heatsink/fan block. At least on mine, there > are two steel tension clips that clip to a plastic framework and hold the > heatsink/fan down onto the CPU. That plastic framework is about an inch to > an inch-and-a-half tall, with four plastic "posts" which the spring clips > can hook to. Well, the end of one of the posts broke off, and the > heatsink/fan came off. > > Right now, I've got a string of four zip ties holding the fan down on that > side. But I'm wondering if anyone's ever heard of this problem, and if a > new plastic frame gizmo can be had to replace the old one. Anyone know? > > -- > Paul M. Foster > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 19:26:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNQA6t010713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:26:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7JNQAj9010712 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:26:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNQA5B010708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:26:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNQAjf007956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:26:10 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.227]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNPu9d028276 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:25:56 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so544722qbe for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:25:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FxRqnU7yYZ+ndcIqpCUJMmXz/OyWzLKwhGH57A5kGdOsm+Vxk+xlLrkk9JOMJG0tP42lcVNGNufGc4JU1zQSWi0PTm/phsR99A/FxjGY8YVswUvM00C0cE1rlYaF/uifIjUBWo5aaIExKLQK9uOl97wMSCs7r+dvZ2aJpMWf9nI= Received: by 10.49.29.2 with SMTP id g2mr5832534nfj; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608191625w3d243c39xe03ab40f72a9d70a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:25:55 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.103, required 6, AWL 0.50, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/19/06, chris lee wrote: > i got a p4 im just about to get rid off, 2.8ghz, 1gig memory, no HDD > > anybody want this, it will be available start of next month. What ya want for it? I can use one for a machine I am getting ready to build up. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 19:49:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNnTPT010863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:49:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7JNnTKe010862 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:49:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNnTRF010858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:49:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNnS35008732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:49:29 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7JNnDTO009151 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:49:14 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1719258pyf for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KdItG+iJUbjHjTjqEy11yFMuiL5QS9nrK8aChb9N8wmS+UR8vToL2ggjnMyB/EsknybF8Ow+7bN7e2gjvEEuGa4xhVaVlMuzOmyTrkwmH+jwlOIlxnfJhQQE9VPiKiPWIYKfvduk+Vh8mwSxyJEqiqxU/NYpGFJ4MOrckbKl5Fo= Received: by 10.64.250.3 with SMTP id x3mr2663156qbh; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.15 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 16:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:49:13 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken In-Reply-To: <620c90570608191625w3d243c39xe03ab40f72a9d70a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> <620c90570608191625w3d243c39xe03ab40f72a9d70a@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.561, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i built it for $700 a few years ago, it worth maybe $300 - $350 now ill take whatever you can offer close to that. but im gonna need it til the 3rd when i order my new one. let me give you the full specs. Pentium4 Northwood 2.8ghz (28x100mhz) 2x 512meg PC2700 memory 52xCD burner/ DVD-rom PixelView Play TV Pro PV-BT878P+ Rev 10B TV Tuner with FM 7-n-1 Flash media reader FIC VG33 mainboard BFGTech AGP 8x GeForce4 MX4000 128meg video card (may or may not work) contact off list if interested ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 21:33:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1XuXc011746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:33:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K1Xum4011745 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:33:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1XtWk011741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:33:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1Xtj1012250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:33:55 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1XbeN019485 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:33:37 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1744874pyf for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:33:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AiInjWoREwxivligbumf98AF8vYbXSHTOceWEuFByCEwgyKPy2wUA1NDxN3hggedUSWc3gADvHktVIBKeW5S90B3wVwaW90SZ0HeWl9UKP+rS0xuZlf1oEu1Gfs03qmCH5UZ32XFeGwf5t8tBKhZ80plK22Mic0vCryvygrWHXw= Received: by 10.35.105.18 with SMTP id h18mr9549921pym; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.19 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608191833p688b8ddfid7e6e0e400d691d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:33:36 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken In-Reply-To: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49219_9200448.1156037616622" References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.106, required 6, AWL -0.50, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_81 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_49219_9200448.1156037616622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/19/06, Paul M Foster wrote: > > I've got a P4 box, my main box, where the frame for the CPU heat sink > broke off, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get replacements for > that. If you have a P4, you know it's about the size of a 386 CPU, but > on top of it sits this massive heatsink/fan block. At least on mine, > there are two steel tension clips that clip to a plastic framework and > hold the heatsink/fan down onto the CPU. That plastic framework is about > an inch to an inch-and-a-half tall, with four plastic "posts" which the > spring clips can hook to. Well, the end of one of the posts broke off, > and the heatsink/fan came off. > > Right now, I've got a string of four zip ties holding the fan down on > that side. But I'm wondering if anyone's ever heard of this problem, and > if a new plastic frame gizmo can be had to replace the old one. Anyone > know? Ok here is weerobby;s cheap and simple answer!!!! BUY A THERMALTAKE HSF Or other nice HSF (most of them use differnet bracket and require you to replace the one on the board with one they provide you.. They are better than what every you were using and they come with there own replacement retension bracket as they doe not use the one that is standard place for a intel machine. Anyone using standard HSF are weenies they offer sub par cooling and barely meet the cooling standards of the processor. On average my cpu temp has droped 16c just by switching from OEM (intel/amd supplied HSF) to a thermal take hsf. Now at the same time you can probably ge a free bracket by asking around local repair shops when they get dead boards in. And that's the bottom line cause weerobby said so! -- > Paul M. Foster > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 8/19/06, Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
I've got a P4 box, my main box, where the frame for the CPU heat sink
broke off, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get replacements for
that. If you have a P4, you know it's about the size of a 386 CPU, but
on top of it sits this massive heatsink/fan block. At least on mine,
there are two steel tension clips that clip to a plastic framework and
hold the heatsink/fan down onto the CPU. That plastic framework is about
an inch to an inch-and-a-half tall, with four plastic "posts" which the
spring clips can hook to. Well, the end of one of the posts broke off,
and the heatsink/fan came off.

Right now, I've got a string of four zip ties holding the fan down on
that side. But I'm wondering if anyone's ever heard of this problem, and
if a new plastic frame gizmo can be had to replace the old one. Anyone know?
 
 
Ok here is weerobby;s cheap and simple answer!!!!
 
 
BUY A THERMALTAKE HSF Or other nice HSF (most of them use differnet bracket and require you to replace the one on the board with one they provide you.. They are better than what every you were using and they come with there own replacement retension bracket as they doe not use the one that is standard place for a intel machine.
 
Anyone using standard HSF are weenies they offer sub par cooling and barely meet the cooling standards of the processor. 
 
On average my cpu temp has droped 16c just by switching from OEM (intel/amd supplied HSF) to a thermal take hsf.
 
Now at the same time you can probably ge a free bracket by asking around local repair shops when they get dead boards in. 
 
And that's the bottom line cause weerobby said so!
 
 
 
 
 
 

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 21:41:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1exZ8011813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:41:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K1exnS011812 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:40:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1exql011808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:40:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1exPq012452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:40:59 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1egBL022672 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:40:43 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1746712pyf for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:40:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qACYycwUf4U2F22GoJhrlpXavqrp/8J12ERJ8iR/betKEGUBaNMbM4q2+bnLR4roVD55RnvX8YdoFQPrajVg4vWwZtETiwV8nx2yJgYBYQFoAbuDovRjfs613yc4CNn95XoYkqGFnYAt0NAGXMF4oPJlfVctZE8m9ik/mRKST5k= Received: by 10.35.123.10 with SMTP id a10mr9649711pyn; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.19 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608191840s3a733fd7x3158b457dac6cd86@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:40:42 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT In-Reply-To: <200608181646.k7IGkCVR018930@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49291_12685766.1156038042336" References: <200608180148.06981.rnr@sanctum.com> <200608181646.k7IGkCVR018930@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.512, required 6, AWL -0.09, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_49291_12685766.1156038042336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/18/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > > >> You stated that you clean the print head with Windex. > >> Can that be done without removing all of the ink cartridges? > > I've not tried this with Epsons. I suspect you'll need to remove the > printhead, and spray Windex into the ink ports. Let it sit for 10-30 > minutes. Blow out the Windex and reinstall. Bad Idea. the actually print head on epsons are usaully not easly removed. Epson ink does use natural dyes in it and is consider to be organic based ink. There are speacial carts for clean the print head. Called Dead Heads. A local Sarasota company (ink4art.com) carrys them an ships them out. they flush your print head out with a special solution of alcohol and some other chemicals. All you do is set it up for a print job like normal and let the dead heads do there work. On HP printers, remove the print cartridge and place a piece of paper towel > on the print head. Soak it with Windex. Let it soak for 10-30 minutes. > Reinstall and it will work or not. Repeat a couple of times until it > works. > After four trys, I give up. If I had an Epson, I'd try this for sure. > > Your mileage may vary, but I've saved many carts over the last 10 years. > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob Stia > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:48 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT > > On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:48, Ken Elliott wrote: > > > > Yes, there is some point where it gets cheaper. With ink, if you clog > > the printhead/cartridge (HP/Lexmark style) you have effectively used > > up all the ink. The longer you go between prints, the more likely you > > are to get clogs. On an Epson, it uses lots of ink to clean the > > nozzles. Canon not as bad. The bottom line is the cost per page can > > be huge if you get a clog. I use Windex (the real stuff) to clean > nozzles > when all else fails. > > Dissolves the ink nicely. > > > Hey Ken, > > If I try to rescue the Epson C86, I have some questions. Right now the > "magenta" is not printing. You stated that you clean the print head with > Windex. ( A really messy process I imagine) Worth giving it a shot, I > guess. > I am a pretty good mechanic and can usually fix just about anything. > > Can that be done without removing all of the ink cartridges? Reason I ask > is > that on a previous Epson printer,when I tried to clean it, once the > cartridges were removed and put back in again they wouldn't "register" and > needed to be replaced even though there was plenty of ink left in them. > Hence my comment about the "sneaky" Epson microchip. (BTW there was a > class > action suit over this "business practice" and they agreed to settle. > Sometime in the next year or so I will get a big deal $45 credit from the > Epson store) > > Anyway, would be interested in any comments. > > Still gonna get me one of those lasers though. Many many years ago (Win > 3.1 > days) I had an Okidata 400? until it needed a lot of new parts and I gave > up > on it. Was only B&W but it was fast! Wish I still had it today. > > Bob S. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted > are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy > or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 8/18/06, Ken Elliott <kelliott11@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> You stated that you clean the print head with Windex.
>> Can that be done without removing all of the ink cartridges?

I've not tried this with Epsons.  I suspect you'll need to remove the
printhead, and spray Windex into the ink ports.  Let it sit for 10-30
minutes.  Blow out the Windex and reinstall.
 
Bad Idea.  the actually print head on epsons are usaully not easly removed.  Epson ink does use natural dyes in it and is consider to be organic based ink.  There are speacial carts for clean the print head.  Called Dead Heads.  A local Sarasota company ( ink4art.com) carrys them an ships them out.  they flush your print head out with a special solution of alcohol and some other chemicals.  All you do is set it up for a print job like normal and let the dead heads do there work.

On HP printers, remove the print cartridge and place a piece of paper towel
on the print head.  Soak it with Windex.  Let it soak for 10-30 minutes.
Reinstall and it will work or not.  Repeat a couple of times until it works.
After four trys, I give up.  If I had an Epson, I'd try this for sure.

Your mileage may vary, but I've saved many carts over the last 10 years.

Ken Elliott

=====================
-----Original Message-----
From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Bob Stia
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:48 AM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Favorite Printer OT

On Wednesday 16 August 2006 06:48, Ken Elliott wrote:
>
> Yes, there is some point where it gets cheaper. With ink, if you clog
> the printhead/cartridge (HP/Lexmark style) you have effectively used
> up all the ink.  The longer you go between prints, the more likely you
> are to get clogs.  On an Epson, it uses lots of ink to clean the
> nozzles.  Canon not as bad.  The bottom line is the cost per page can
> be huge if you get a clog.  I use Windex (the real stuff) to clean nozzles
when all else fails.
> Dissolves the ink nicely.
>
Hey Ken,

If I try to rescue the Epson C86, I have some questions.  Right now the
"magenta" is not printing. You stated that you clean the print head with
Windex. ( A really messy process I imagine) Worth giving it a shot, I guess.
I am a pretty good mechanic and can usually fix just about anything.

Can that be done without removing all of the ink cartridges? Reason I ask is
that on a previous Epson printer,when I tried to clean it, once the
cartridges were removed and put back in again they wouldn't "register" and
needed to be replaced even though there was plenty of ink left in them.
Hence my comment about the "sneaky" Epson microchip. (BTW there was a class
action suit over this "business practice" and they agreed to settle.
Sometime in the next year or so I will get a big deal $45 credit from the
Epson store)

Anyway, would be interested in any comments.

Still gonna get me one of those lasers though. Many many years ago (Win 3.1
days) I had an Okidata 400? until it needed a lot of new parts and I gave up
on it. Was only B&W but it was fast! Wish I still had it today.

Bob S.



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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 21:52:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1qb33011889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:52:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K1qbft011888 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:52:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1qbKr011884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:52:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1qaQp012879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:52:37 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K1qDGi025843 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:52:13 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060820015207.QOIJ17338.centrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:52:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id C1rk1V00a4g4wUs0000000 Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:51:45 -0400 Message-ID: <44E7CF1B.2070500@cox.net> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:55:23 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken References: <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.463, required 6, AWL -3.19, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 2.05, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Eanes wrote: > I just repaired one like your talking about, but the > break was in a cross member. I don't know if this > will work with a broken post, but here's my fix: > > We have dozens of thick plastic ties sitting around, > so I cut a piece of the black plastic to fit the > broken cross member. I used super glue and a pair of > vice gripps to apply pressure to the plastic. This > kind of plastic is not readily glued by the superglue. > Instead, it just kind of melts it. So don't put too > much on. It does take longer to dry, but when it's > dry it will have fused the two pieces of plastic > together. It's important to note that the plastic I'm > talking about is not the thin floppy plastic like the > trash ties are made of, but the thick plastic cable > ties you find in Home Depot. I've not had a lot of > luck McGivering anything with the thin stuff. > > Good Luck. > > Rob > > > --- Paul M Foster wrote: > > >> I've got a P4 box, my main box, where the frame for >> the CPU heat sink >> broke off, and I'm wondering if it's possible to get >> replacements for >> that. If you have a P4, you know it's about the size >> of a 386 CPU, but >> on top of it sits this massive heatsink/fan block. >> At least on mine, >> there are two steel tension clips that clip to a >> plastic framework and >> hold the heatsink/fan down onto the CPU. That >> plastic framework is about >> an inch to an inch-and-a-half tall, with four >> plastic "posts" which the >> spring clips can hook to. Well, the end of one of >> the posts broke off, >> and the heatsink/fan came off. >> >> Right now, I've got a string of four zip ties >> holding the fan down on >> that side. But I'm wondering if anyone's ever heard >> of this problem, and >> if a new plastic frame gizmo can be had to replace >> the old one. Anyone know? >> >> -- >> Paul M. Foster >> >> I don't know. I kind of like the way you Southern-engineered it in the first place, Paul! You should see some of the crap computers that I've assembled out of stuff I've had lying around. Zip ties and superglue are one thing. When you use a sawzall to assemble a computer on more than one occasion... ...guys, I may need professional help... -- "You can tell the ideals of a nation by its advertisements." ~ Norman Douglas ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 22:00:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K20r2J012012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:00:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K20rPl012011 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:00:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K20qul012007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:00:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K20q4M013295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:00:52 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K20J4r017780 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:00:25 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1751888pyf for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:00:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fm3j9Ua03MFM6WKrKkO7eshfJ8UzNxDlG+n2/+qQkej0aJkyscki5WNtytWdBhQXMnFno7TyBYOeXHQaOBKEeCMJTDFdp2/L+0IdZOlcXTzhpGkx6w0iutVDVmk8Rys9FEN+R9SSw1G6ZGH/5NGYP8jA6AUPtzYvtfLSENbRkyc= Received: by 10.35.49.1 with SMTP id b1mr9594165pyk; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608191900n3e83c770q4f31a1dbe6b69b05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:00:18 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] MMC 2GB+ ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.178, required 6, AWL -0.99, BAYES_40 -0.18, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anybody know where I can find RS-MMC or MMC-Mobile memory in a capacity larger than 2GB? Or does it not exist yet? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 22:44:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K2ieAa012340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:44:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K2ieEP012339 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:44:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K2iemx012335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:44:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K2idZ2014946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:44:40 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.231]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K2iT5F031506 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:44:29 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so567031qbe for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:44:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FiGO94bUX0B+32uJ/l7VQJKTJXucusDhL1lZ+UrbJ0TLM91tgPjdQTA0RxSbLXlrDWmGxJSIY1qmdEsV8P8xsM9bOxX4ZhbHB19r0WKvdqDMuopuulBgoy1a9qLG2UwQKl0l49Gktxi/nXl9xi8c29GPde5xHwNd40sJYTyxqXY= Received: by 10.48.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr5974116nfi; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608191944x5137b8ffv6031c6fc3bd400d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:44:27 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.873, required 6, AWL 0.27, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/17/06, John Pugh wrote: > I can understand that with 10.2 since it's only alpha3. Sorry if I'm > requesting info that you already provided, but what is the sound card on > your machine? Intel has had problems and there is a fix/workaround. The > CF card I'll need more detail...permission denied can be a plethora of > issues from it being locked to it being mounted RO to there being a udev > issue. If you can give me the udevmonitor output when you put it in and > the details of what happens afterwards (spare the list if you wish), > I'll see if I can help out and if anything search/input a bug on it. > John, Did a re-install of the OS and now I can plug in a CF card or other USB storage (at least CF and SD cards as that is what I have here) and it now opens them up and I can get in and out of them. So there must have been something hosed in the install, or I answered something wrong in the Q&A... I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine as I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or from a sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. The device is a Intel 82801DB-ICH4. Right now that appears to be the only problem that I can see now that I did the re-install. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 23:30:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3UCEH012746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K3UCbJ012745 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3UCL4012741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3UCVD016685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:12 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3TnCg007746 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:29:49 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.122.227.66] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 744MR00 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:29:48 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:43:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608191944x5137b8ffv6031c6fc3bd400d0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608191944x5137b8ffv6031c6fc3bd400d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608192343.34294.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.8, required 6, AWL -0.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 19 August 2006 22:44, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/17/06, John Pugh wrote: > > I can understand that with 10.2 since it's only alpha3. Sorry if I'm > > requesting info that you already provided, but what is the sound card on > > your machine? Intel has had problems and there is a fix/workaround. The > > CF card I'll need more detail...permission denied can be a plethora of > > issues from it being locked to it being mounted RO to there being a udev > > issue. If you can give me the udevmonitor output when you put it in and > > the details of what happens afterwards (spare the list if you wish), > > I'll see if I can help out and if anything search/input a bug on it. > > John, > Did a re-install of the OS and now I can plug in a CF card or other USB > storage (at least CF and SD cards as that is what I have here) and it > now opens them up and I can get in and out of them. So there must have > been something hosed in the install, or I answered something wrong in > the Q&A... > > I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine as > I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or from a > sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. The device is a Intel > 82801DB-ICH4. > > Right now that appears to be the only problem that I can see now that I > did the re-install. Chuck, Just for giggles, do an "alsaconf" as root. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 19 23:38:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3cdTD012797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:38:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K3cdT2012796 for slug-track29; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:38:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3cctH012792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:38:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3cc7p017028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:38:38 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.229]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K3cRLN027873 for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:38:27 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so571850qbe for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:38:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LOcihFH127lEtQ+6Ys3B7EIu5o+MLsPaRubgCcnn48uenFWyHpkS7lpKGvoIdP5GJypCeCXpaVtxqRFO9MrsWr/Bn/J1t1dGB5/g/vXa0W8A10SVRbv+qGlPQ6Egsr6tXBqLVSu62t5AaLBzV3eOWfSvWIEGg7+iLwxu988YxaI= Received: by 10.49.26.18 with SMTP id d18mr5992277nfj; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 20:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608192038u28baeb1y4574fa92634c15dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:38:26 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <200608192343.34294.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608191944x5137b8ffv6031c6fc3bd400d0@mail.gmail.com> <200608192343.34294.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.988, required 6, AWL 0.39, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/19/06, Bob Stia wrote: > On Saturday 19 August 2006 22:44, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/17/06, John Pugh wrote: > > > I can understand that with 10.2 since it's only alpha3. Sorry if I'm > > > requesting info that you already provided, but what is the sound card on > > > your machine? Intel has had problems and there is a fix/workaround. The > > > CF card I'll need more detail...permission denied can be a plethora of > > > issues from it being locked to it being mounted RO to there being a udev > > > issue. If you can give me the udevmonitor output when you put it in and > > > the details of what happens afterwards (spare the list if you wish), > > > I'll see if I can help out and if anything search/input a bug on it. > > > > John, > > Did a re-install of the OS and now I can plug in a CF card or other USB > > storage (at least CF and SD cards as that is what I have here) and it > > now opens them up and I can get in and out of them. So there must have > > been something hosed in the install, or I answered something wrong in > > the Q&A... > > > > I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine as > > I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or from a > > sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. The device is a Intel > > 82801DB-ICH4. > > > > Right now that appears to be the only problem that I can see now that I > > did the re-install. > > Chuck, > > Just for giggles, do an "alsaconf" as root. > Looks like that did it... Wonder what it missed in the setup as it said it was setting up alsa.... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 00:20:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4KKNj013209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:20:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K4KKnX013208 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:20:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4KJUS013204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:20:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4KJfC021239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:20:19 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4JvJC007657 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:19:57 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.122.227.66] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 744RT00 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:19:51 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <200608192343.34294.rnr@sanctum.com> <620c90570608192038u28baeb1y4574fa92634c15dc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608192038u28baeb1y4574fa92634c15dc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608200033.37451.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.63, required 6, AWL -1.63, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 19 August 2006 23:38, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/19/06, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > > > I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine > > > as I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or > > > from a sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. The device is > > > a Intel 82801DB-ICH4. > > > > > > Right now that appears to be the only problem that I can see now that I > > > did the re-install. > > > > Chuck, > > > > Just for giggles, do an "alsaconf" as root. > > Looks like that did it... Wonder what it missed in the setup as it said it > was setting up alsa.... I dunno, but I seem to have to do it with every upgrade. Glad it worked for you. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 00:29:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4TeiE013264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K4TeT8013263 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4TdsE013259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4TdkV022256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:39 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4TOpp009904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:24 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEew7-0001WT-CX for slug@nks.net; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD1456BE0 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44E7E521.30607@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:29:21 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> <20060819221606.62574.qmail@web52102.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.598, required 6, AWL -1.37, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net chris lee wrote: > damn google draft auto save. > > make a offer on it, im not looking for much. > > On 8/19/06, chris lee wrote: >> i got a p4 im just about to get rid off, P4 northwood 2.8ghz, 2x512meg >> PC2700 memory, no HDD since im keeping mine 52x CD burner. >> >> anybody want this, it will be available start of next month. >> Ahem, guys, please take this commerce stuff offlist or put it on the For Sale page on the SLUG site. -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 00:33:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4XlEe013299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K4XlLa013298 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4XkKA013294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4Xk3S022614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:46 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K4XX1O011707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:33 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GEf08-0001lH-Iy for slug@nks.net; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:32 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9781F56BE0 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44E7E61A.8040806@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:33:30 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Heat Sink Framework broken References: <44E7861D.8050309@quillandmouse.com> <000701c6c3e6$a476c7a0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> In-Reply-To: <000701c6c3e6$a476c7a0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.701, required 6, AWL -1.45, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net James wrote: > Here ya go. > > http://www.nexfan.com/inp4so478rec.html > > If you don't want to pay the price you can check the local shops to see > if you can get one off a dead motherboard. They are starting to show up > in some quantitys. I have 2 of them but do not have the time to deliver > them. I am swamped with repair jobs right now. > > JamesS > Outstanding. Of course, it's now more complicated. I'm going on vacation next week, and since I zip tied everything up, I'm getting temperature warnings on my CPU. This machine has got to be up while I'm gone to capture email. I also found out this board has a 3 year warranty on it, and it has 2 years and 4 months left on that warranty. I can't be around to deal with this, so I don't know what I'll do. But thanks for the link. I may go that way. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 01:02:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K524Ls013561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:02:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K524GK013560 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:02:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K5233j013556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:02:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K523ig024473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:02:03 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.238]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K51oVk028544 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:01:50 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so578784qbe for ; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:01:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a16lfZ1JYkhiDG3BUF/lPBvDEOE6nJJuknm54HrxCEgBtd+h86l8VYbpV4heUafgt5kIfBljZ63Td8MQrJ3nAINDUkOOuhu0nKODnD4WXl2j18VqPWNvCBhZrM05XMVyrtpHVEjooUcFsA9oiLvEwiRgbv9FrkE6yJ+3VUYfc+E= Received: by 10.48.163.19 with SMTP id l19mr5743593nfe; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 22:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608192201r546eaad0p8895f29665dd7cfc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 01:01:48 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <200608200033.37451.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <200608192343.34294.rnr@sanctum.com> <620c90570608192038u28baeb1y4574fa92634c15dc@mail.gmail.com> <200608200033.37451.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.724, required 6, AWL 0.12, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/20/06, Bob Stia wrote: > On Saturday 19 August 2006 23:38, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/19/06, Bob Stia wrote: > > > > > > > > I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine > > > > as I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or > > > > from a sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. The device is > > > > a Intel 82801DB-ICH4. > > > > > > > > Right now that appears to be the only problem that I can see now that I > > > > did the re-install. > > > > > > Chuck, > > > > > > Just for giggles, do an "alsaconf" as root. > > > > Looks like that did it... Wonder what it missed in the setup as it said it > > was setting up alsa.... > > I dunno, but I seem to have to do it with every upgrade. Glad it worked for > you. > Someone must have forgot to add something somewhere... Should not be like that but, there you have it. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 02:04:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K64O4i014110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:04:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7K64OoG014109 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:04:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K64NVi014105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:04:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K64Nsr027209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:04:23 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7K64HxS005395 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:04:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7K64Fqo011077 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:04:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608191944x5137b8ffv6031c6fc3bd400d0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608191944x5137b8ffv6031c6fc3bd400d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608200204.34962.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.609, required 6, AWL -1.95, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine as > I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or from a > sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. The device is a Intel > 82801DB-ICH4. > > Right now that appears to be the only problem that I can see now that I > did the re-install. There are multiple Mixers and places that can affect your sound level. Somewhere among those Mixers and control panels you may have the wrong thing muted or turned down. Make sure everything is unmuted and turned up to a moderate level. If you get sound this way, then go back and mute stuff you don't need. I have had SUSE sound problems that I cured this way. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 08:18:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KCIwOl017390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:18:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7KCIwPo017389 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:18:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KCIvWh017385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:18:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KCIgH8019459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:18:57 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KCDIW5032707 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:13:18 -0400 Received: from postoffice.omnis.com (mail-hub-2.int.omnis.com [10.0.0.37]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A4F1B285 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (82-109.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.109.82]) by smtp-relay.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1D01880A21 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <44E851EF.60700@myraandpete.net> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:13:35 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MMC 2GB+ ? References: <1a3a3e310608191900n3e83c770q4f31a1dbe6b69b05@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608191900n3e83c770q4f31a1dbe6b69b05@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.388, required 6, AWL -1.50, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > Anybody know where I can find RS-MMC or MMC-Mobile memory in a > capacity larger than 2GB? Or does it not exist yet? > http://froogle.google.com/froogle?btnG=Search+Froogle&q=4gb+mmc Pete S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 11:32:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KFWj3p018931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:32:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7KFWjcl018930 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:32:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KFWiEB018926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:32:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KFWia1027499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:32:44 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KFWTJw023215 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:32:34 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so629507qbe for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:32:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fHlLzZ51ILbqn/O1f30eKMygItMvCCxLfq2/HwLXtT0dDm2bDoj4GH3aEauYekRpyEWnFJgpdDh9n8/Sb56HNy+dZA+wvJ/VGhx7nwpJG5TnteeJx/qpvO3EhEu3Fkb5MG5fB/xhw5647nk2vSSLiZO5pbyqZz4LM5qfJQ6MBog= Received: by 10.49.41.18 with SMTP id t18mr6637680nfj; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 08:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608200832p67104a3er4d05474c10ed52da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 11:32:28 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <200608200204.34962.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E4893A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608191944x5137b8ffv6031c6fc3bd400d0@mail.gmail.com> <200608200204.34962.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.924, required 6, AWL 0.32, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/20/06, Richard Smoot wrote: > > > > > I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine as > > I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or from a > > sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. The device is a Intel > > 82801DB-ICH4. > > > > Right now that appears to be the only problem that I can see now that I > > did the re-install. > > There are multiple Mixers and places that can affect your sound level. > Somewhere among those Mixers and control panels you may have > the wrong thing muted or turned down. Make sure everything is unmuted > and turned up to a moderate level. If you get sound this way, then go back > and mute stuff you don't need. I have had SUSE sound problems that I > cured this way. > Yes, I had obtained audio just before you sent me the note, I was running something called 'baudline' and I saw a output audio control on it, I knew that it was hearing the audio I had on the machine it was just not getting to the speakers, when I ran the audio out control up on baudline I knew that something was not set correctly elsewhere because I was hearing the audio file I was trying to listen to. The only thing was that as soon as I killed baudline the audio went away, when I did the alsaconf command that appeared to clear it up as I now have audio on everything. Funny the desktop again has had no problem with this one, it plays audio just fine. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 16:18:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KKIwIJ021258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:18:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7KKIwXe021257 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:18:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KKIvPs021253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:18:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KKIvhb008574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:18:57 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KKIoj8003719 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:18:50 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4B00KN9CF6UPT3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:18:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:18:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] Printers redux X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:43:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7KNhDIc022872 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:43:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KNhDdS022868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:43:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KNhCmO017014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:43:13 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7KNgmas001819 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:42:53 -0400 Received: from rufus (55.170.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.170.55]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7KNgkuW020407 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608202342.k7KNgkuW020407@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Printers redux Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:43:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcbElhJu+IQ6G2lTQne9F2qbU8hcCwAG89YQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=4.134, required 6, AWL -2.51, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, SARE_BAYES_5x7 0.60, SARE_BAYES_6x7 0.60, SARE_BAYES_7x7 0.80, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Color is not necessary... >> Cheap renewables (per page at least) is a big bonus. >> Can anybody recommend (or de-recommend) one? Lowest consumables cost would be a laser printer type. HP LaserJet 3050 ($299), if sheet feed is ok. Worthless for copying books, however. http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?storeName=store fronts&landing=printers&category=all_in_ones&orderflow=1&a1=Type&v1=LaserJet &product_code=Q6504A%23ABA&catLevel=2 HP LaserJet 3055 ($399), if you need a flatbed scanner. http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?storeName=store fronts&landing=printers&category=all_in_ones&orderflow=1&a1=Type&v1=LaserJet &product_code=Q6503A%23ABA&catLevel=2 But you might compare this with a real copier, just to be sure. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eben King Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 4:19 PM To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] Printers redux I have been given the job of finding a copier for my mother's classroom. What does this have to do with computers, you might say. Glad you asked. I figure the cheapest device with acceptable quality given the number of expected copies (5-10 per day or so) would be one of those scanner-printer-copier multifunction devices. Naturally, the copying functionality is most important. Color is not necessary, but with modern inkjets is almost a given. Cheap renewables (per page at least) is a big bonus. Can anybody recommend (or de-recommend) one? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP 1101000 1110100 1110100 1110000 0111010 0101111 0101111 1110010 1101111 1111001 1100001 1101100 1110100 1111001 0101110 1101110 1101111 0101101 1101001 1110000 0101110 1101111 1110010 1100111 0111010 0111000 0110001 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 20:06:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0687l023090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:06:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7L068dE023089 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:06:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L068iv023085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:06:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L068cX017964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:06:08 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L05wdv008325 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:05:58 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4B005DXMX8PLQ1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:05:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: RE: [SLUG] Printers redux In-reply-to: <200608202342.k7KNgkuW020407@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.6, required 6, AWL -1.90, BAYES_99 3.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 20 Aug 2006, Ken Elliott wrote: >>> Color is not necessary... >>> Cheap renewables (per page at least) is a big bonus. >>> Can anybody recommend (or de-recommend) one? > > Lowest consumables cost would be a laser printer type. Warmup time's usually a killer for laser printers though. Warmup time for an inkjet is darn near 0. Too, for a couple copies a day, it's not that big a savings. > HP LaserJet 3050 ($299), if sheet feed is ok. Worthless for copying books, > however. Forgot to mention -- it needs to be flatbed. > HP LaserJet 3055 ($399), if you need a flatbed scanner. http://shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=Q6503A%23ABA Um, I see $500 (OK, $0.01 less) for that one. Did they raise the price or was that an oopsie? > But you might compare this with a real copier, just to be sure. -- "Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century, which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as Poland." - from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 20:32:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0WPEO023317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:32:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7L0WPQA023316 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:32:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0WOUt023312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:32:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0WO75019007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:32:24 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0WAWk013155 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:32:10 -0400 Received: from [70.126.154.85] (85-154.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.154.85]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7L0W7sH018297; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44E8FF2D.1070006@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:32:45 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060730 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.273, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR 1.12, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I bought the box (a few weeks ago) and thought that it would be as > free of problems as 10.0 was (it did real well, most things that I fixed > were just small things as far as I can remember, all installs regardless > of the system have to be polished up, but 10.2 sort of went backwards > on the laptop (IBM Thinkpad T42) which sort of appeared to just work. > Now I find that not only does the removable media (CF and SD type > type devices) not work, but my sound does not appear to be working. If you bought the box do you get a few free calls or E-mails answered? -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 20:43:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0hIlW023399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:43:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7L0hIql023398 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:43:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0hHER023394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:43:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0hHmB019501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:43:17 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.229]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L0gvh9015845 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:42:57 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so694610qbe for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:42:57 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ujmTEnkMASIFhFiQ+RRT4OTtuq5Hk91PE7LUN0LiUnv1PrPmPYDON9qoIJMAcTDCn9mE7q4TVuueGSrIJpUVm5uoam1Tyff/zT5K5C/heKiDQEDU/K+ANEjt4gWFGqSEcPrVIKuOlYt5jHVFi7z3VBUxe8EBkHYQBdyrF+upZyY= Received: by 10.48.210.16 with SMTP id i16mr7057644nfg; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608201742p4eafbe0lf64fad72a9f047ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:42:56 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... In-Reply-To: <44E8FF2D.1070006@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <44E45A9D.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570608171141n71875481sb393c977cd8d9cb6@mail.gmail.com> <44E8FF2D.1070006@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.909, required 6, AWL 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/20/06, Ron Youvan wrote: > > I bought the box (a few weeks ago) and thought that it would be as > > free of problems as 10.0 was (it did real well, most things that I fixed > > were just small things as far as I can remember, all installs regardless > > of the system have to be polished up, but 10.2 sort of went backwards > > on the laptop (IBM Thinkpad T42) which sort of appeared to just work. > > > Now I find that not only does the removable media (CF and SD type > > type devices) not work, but my sound does not appear to be working. > > If you bought the box do you get a few free calls or E-mails answered? I think so, but I got all of my solutions here, so our knowledge base is the larger for it. Had I e-mailed or called, all of the problem may not have appeared here. Of course had I not got a solution I would have gone that way, but we have a very good knowledge base here on the list. Now it is all working quite well, I am getting ready to set up a machine and test the ax25 stuff along with the fpac switch. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 21:27:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L1Rdb5023798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:27:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7L1Rd2E023797 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:27:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L1RdBx023793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:27:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L1Rcf8021501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:27:38 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L1RO8D002723 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:27:24 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so2136149pyf for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:27:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DwPy6/I+8LkJFWutgbe3LI/UAsj5mnzJHRv+tyvNRdyWdku4O2JgIrMb4NcWJsoEOiVShv1nqP1K8OmDm5BnW33KYX9HUZGZJSqNYsxm/JwuEPCjCWh6EDQE4Ex1xU2ZOuHOe4AQuGwO7nJxGrH/uQdl1Kp83OlkujS7w/YvmcI= Received: by 10.35.96.11 with SMTP id y11mr12049320pyl; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:27:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.19 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608201827p71d57ddfqa701f0eaa423a78c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:27:23 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printers redux In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59742_22169080.1156123643941" References: <200608202342.k7KNgkuW020407@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.423, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_50_60 0.13, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_59742_22169080.1156123643941 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just got this in email from new egg seems to fit your requirements. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=28-104-393&depa=0&CMP=EMC-neemail082006&ATT=N82E16828104393 ------=_Part_59742_22169080.1156123643941 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Just got this in email from new egg seems to fit your requirements.
 
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 20 23:52:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L3qd2P024934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:52:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7L3qdON024933 for slug-track29; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:52:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L3qc4Z024929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:52:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L3qc3s027807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:52:38 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L3qSel026640 for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:52:28 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so2181259pyf for ; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mU/ifQRnz2BJIA/aVH3dxYIMbcjfmg4dYOPtyB+SF4WuATPWEpY34DCr6OB7NRDFgoyqH/b0fLZTeBE+NeCkEgq5a0hJE3bbZpmFTikhGl6dsNbwk/vFeRXU/sUUwmmfv0idqD8KYPQVHkCzhY0pyOGW5HMM3qWjaS4U2pxh/7Q= Received: by 10.35.51.13 with SMTP id d13mr12321581pyk; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.14 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608202052g93b9218nef2c62381f4c2320@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 22:52:27 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] MMC 2GB+ ? In-Reply-To: <44E851EF.60700@myraandpete.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310608191900n3e83c770q4f31a1dbe6b69b05@mail.gmail.com> <44E851EF.60700@myraandpete.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.529, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.53, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Anybody know where I can find RS-MMC or MMC-Mobile memory in a > > capacity larger than 2GB? Or does it not exist yet? > > > http://froogle.google.com/froogle?btnG=Search+Froogle&q=4gb+mmc Since all the results are for MMC-plus, the given link seems to indicate that the answer is, "Does not exist yet." -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 21 01:41:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L5fQqM025880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7L5fQv7025879 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L5fPZa025870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L5fOMj003986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:24 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L5fASK032205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:10 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GF2X7-00043e-GA; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:09 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E4A9A56BE1; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:06 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060821054106.E4A9A56BE1@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 01:41:06 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.494, required 6, AWL -1.66, BAYES_60 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* DUNEDIN ************************************************** 26 August 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** ************************************************* * CANCELLED UNTIL ANOTHER LOCATION CAN BE FOUND * ************************************************* 28 August 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 2 September 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. BRANDON ************************************************** 7 September 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 21 05:26:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L9QA1v027964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:26:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7L9QAZH027963 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:26:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L9Q9K3027959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:26:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L9Q9kd019827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:26:09 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.81.169]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7L9PsT9009346 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 05:25:55 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:25:49 -0600 Message-Id: <44E943D3.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:25:39 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] SuSE 10.1 Split personality... References: <620c90570608162038y73ca5e53ia23edf7f1d6ecf61@mail.gmail.com> <200608192343.34294.rnr@sanctum.com> <620c90570608192038u28baeb1y4574fa92634c15dc@mail.gmail.com> <200608200033.37451.rnr@sanctum.com> <620c90570608192201r546eaad0p8895f29665dd7cfc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608192201r546eaad0p8895f29665dd7cfc@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.529, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.53, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 1:01 AM, in message <620c90570608192201r546eaad0p8895f29665dd7cfc@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" wrote: > On 8/20/06, Bob Stia wrote: >> On Saturday 19 August 2006 23:38, Chuck Hast wrote: >> > On 8/19/06, Bob Stia wrote: >> > > > >> > > > I still can not get the sound card to put out sound, it hears just fine >> > > > as I can start up a program and see it pick up audio from the mic or >> > > > from a sound source such as a file or CD, but no output. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 21 18:45:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LMje2c001963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:45:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7LMje57001962 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LMje4K001958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LMjerw027999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LMjLdo016087 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:45:22 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4D00K6KDUWZUW1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:44:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] cups is slow (or Samba is) X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7LNjkXt002456 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LNjkkc002452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LNjj2N030563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:46 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LNjRkq023856 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:27 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c63so2405854pyc for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:45:26 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T7W2LluRPJFeuVGhqTydBrBBZ7jkILw0UDYwWgE1NeQ7K91mH3CLi5qvuRh6UY8pbFeqZV7daKXtGVM6gwJa+EeRD9VNgJXrzeyUGatdEvEPdWT2FoaRD+Dm+QOLN62MO7UoyULfn3Fv/JYlLE71SA8xmD2zJ9uEomG+8TAUkxo= Received: by 10.35.111.14 with SMTP id o14mr14275273pym; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:45:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.19 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608211645m29aa422ct985cf7a11269598b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:45:25 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] cups is slow (or Samba is) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_81764_1615846.1156203925322" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.303, required 6, AWL -0.62, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, SARE_MILLIONSOF 0.32) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_81764_1615846.1156203925322 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/21/06, Eben King wrote: > > I share a color inkjet (Canon i560) over Samba, and my printer driver is > CUPS. Lately (say, in the last couple weeks) it's gotten very slow. I'm > watching the network graph in GKrellm, and it reads & writes > simultaneously, > then does nothing for a second, lather, rinse, repeat. This really kills > performance, pushing the per-page time over a couple minutes (if ever). > For 802.11b clients, it might take hours, and still not print. What > should > I look at? A print server is on order, to take these problems away, but > in > the mean time, I'd like to be able to fix it. Since you say it over samba is it safe to assume that it is attached to a windows based machine? I have had this happen to me. Most of the time it is the fault of the windows machine being unresponsive. Where the signal goes out for the page to print to the printerspooler(windows machine attached to printer) and windows has not sent Ack the paged so the client sits and waits for the print spooler to ack the page it had sent before it sends another. I would really look at the network traffic and loads of the computer that is attached to the printer . I belive that is where your bottle neck is. -- > "The Web brings people together because no matter what kind of a twisted > sexual mutant you happen to be, you've got millions of pals out there. > Type in 'Find people that have sex with goats that are on fire' and the > computer will say, 'Specify type of goat.'" -- Rich Jeni > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_81764_1615846.1156203925322 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 8/21/06, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
I share a color inkjet (Canon i560) over Samba, and my printer driver is
CUPS.  Lately (say, in the last couple weeks) it's gotten very slow.  I'm
watching the network graph in GKrellm, and it reads & writes simultaneously,
then does nothing for a second, lather, rinse, repeat.  This really kills
performance, pushing the per-page time over a couple minutes (if ever).
For 802.11b clients, it might take hours, and still not print.  What should
I look at?  A print server is on order, to take these problems away, but in
the mean time, I'd like to be able to fix it.
 
Since you say it over samba is it safe to assume that it is attached to a windows based machine?
 
I have had this happen to me. Most of the time it is the fault of the windows machine being unresponsive. Where the signal goes out for the page to print to the printerspooler(windows machine attached to printer) and windows has not sent Ack the paged so  the client sits and waits for the print spooler to ack the page it had sent before it sends another. 
 
I would really look at the network traffic and loads of the computer that is attached to the printer .  I belive that is where your bottle neck is.
 
 
 

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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 21 19:57:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LNv2qf002529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:57:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7LNv2Bk002528 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:57:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LNv1qP002520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:57:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LNv1Zw030902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:57:01 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7LNuk3T008130 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:56:46 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so2556801pyf for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fHfZtDJvl9TYL+75kIUDhrOn+1JhvGZnkCpItSWoQd5Hq3PHomVXNTmtkXKCddMgylw5CLoi1Y2eWyqQNsiSXCR832HpLEY3YxFE94Bi1KEVgOcGH2WzOKslFTIAeYaJn/Fsp1GnEGzCIUVcIycQwvwZbFC2OCcpn5DUARx0GUo= Received: by 10.35.22.17 with SMTP id z17mr14323657pyi; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.2 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:56:45 -0400 From: "Dylan William Hardison" To: "Slug List" Subject: [SLUG] August St. Petersburg meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.234, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.23) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I do believe Aaron has everything covered for the September meeting, but for August we do not have an 'official' meeting place. However, myself, Eric Jahn, and probably several others will be at the Globe coffee lounge in downtown St. Pete, which is where we've been the last two St. Pete meetings. Date: August 28th. Time: From 7 to whenever. Topic: No set topic, just the usual discussion and jolly fun. Location: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=532+1st+Ave+N,+St+Petersburg,+FL+33701+(Globe+Coffee+Lounge)+%4027.772049,-82.640716&ie=UTF8&ll=27.773292,-82.640705&spn=0.015454,0.042315&om=1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 21 20:54:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M0sOfq003011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:54:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7M0sOIY003010 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:54:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M0sOJN003006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:54:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M0sOkv000836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:54:24 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M0s3Od014251 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:54:03 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4D00GCGJTYYWS2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:53:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:54:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] cups is slow (or Samba is) In-reply-to: <31f129860608211645m29aa422ct985cf7a11269598b@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <31f129860608211645m29aa422ct985cf7a11269598b@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.047, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 21 Aug 2006, Robert Snyder wrote: > On 8/21/06, Eben King wrote: >> >> I share a color inkjet (Canon i560) over Samba, and my printer driver is >> CUPS. Lately (say, in the last couple weeks) it's gotten very slow. >> I'm watching the network graph in GKrellm, and it reads & writes >> simultaneously, then does nothing for a second, lather, rinse, repeat. >> This really kills performance, pushing the per-page time over a couple >> minutes (if ever). For 802.11b clients, it might take hours, and still >> not print. What should I look at? A print server is on order, to take >> these problems away, but in the mean time, I'd like to be able to fix it. > > Since you say it over samba is it safe to assume that it is attached to a > windows based machine? The printer is directly attached to LPT1. I serve it via Samba to remote (well, in this house) XP clients. > I have had this happen to me. Most of the time it is the fault of the > windows machine being unresponsive. Where the signal goes out for the page > to print to the printerspooler(windows machine attached to printer) and > windows has not sent Ack the paged so the client sits and waits for the > print spooler to ack the page it had sent before it sends another. > > I would really look at the network traffic and loads of the computer that is > attached to the printer . I belive that is where your bottle neck is. It _might_ have been due to a spurious line in smb.conf, since removed, which was i and that's it. Probably I messed it up using vi. I'll have to wait and see whether that was it. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please. Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad) http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 21 21:07:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M17Mxj003179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:07:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7M17MP6003178 for slug-track29; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:07:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M17MVM003174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:07:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M17LfY001408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:07:21 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7M17Ad1006708 for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:07:10 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so2240072nfc for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GZv+CbKxpJ+TnPIAIDYdfB9TcbUuQHSGFiSHjbqmecy01AmWSLixsho0DOEzAAS5T4EmV4sNojd4AR4ifIgUmA5k3G8URS7dXtxQ2QksS4sOzCWzQLjVr3ofUfqYp9WftBQcy03GrCuVHc1CA43gbiPbWmZeqeZ8nPkMU+oY4kg= Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr292413nfk; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608211807i138a26g1d6f55e9183f24f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:07:09 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] August St. Petersburg meeting In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_88342_7829320.1156208829002" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.117, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.49, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_88342_7829320.1156208829002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'll be there. On 8/21/06, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > > I do believe Aaron has everything covered for the September meeting, > but for August we do not have an 'official' meeting place. > > However, myself, Eric Jahn, and probably several others will be at the > Globe coffee lounge in downtown St. Pete, which is where we've been > the last two St. Pete meetings. > > Date: August 28th. > Time: From 7 to whenever. > Topic: No set topic, just the usual discussion and jolly fun. > Location: > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=532+1st+Ave+N,+St+Petersburg,+FL+33701+(Globe+Coffee+Lounge)+%4027.772049,-82.640716&ie=UTF8&ll=27.773292,-82.640705&spn=0.015454,0.042315&om=1 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 8/21/06, Dylan William Hardison <dylanwh@gmail.com> wrote:
I do believe Aaron has everything covered for the September meeting,
but for August we do not have an 'official' meeting place.

However, myself, Eric Jahn, and probably several others will be at the
Globe coffee lounge in downtown St. Pete, which is where we've been
the last two St. Pete meetings.

Date: August 28th.
Time: From 7 to whenever.
Topic: No set topic, just the usual discussion and jolly fun.
Location: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=532+1st+Ave+N,+St+Petersburg,+FL+33701+(Globe+Coffee+Lounge)+%4027.772049,-82.640716&ie=UTF8&ll=27.773292,-82.640705&spn=0.015454,0.042315&om=1
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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 22 10:55:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MEtIAY010058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:55:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7MEtIGd010057 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:55:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MEtHfK010053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:55:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MEtHnK016094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:55:17 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MEt2DS027336 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:55:02 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so2834511pyf for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:55:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=swcnTEu89jxdrRZ5N//y0sGCA7eDpL/3Wo0Rd9TloPi2wftXdE2uUk/fSjlttNWoZnKZqoDmyItWba93W5X52+dQq3dUMx/QU4Vqi4akx9hDU74fU89HEa55NF/6zOfyTLqXu4z4mDJ/VgZ2Gxlv1V7hRfl4GTR/daMaPHLKxm0= Received: by 10.35.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr15711911pym; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.13 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 07:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608220755t1c717ecerebe06b23980b6bc2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:55:01 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] cups is slow (or Samba is) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <31f129860608211645m29aa422ct985cf7a11269598b@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.85, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.85, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You can also print directly to a CUPS printer from a windows machine using the "MS Publisher" driver, as described at http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html (If the samba fix doesn't pan out) -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 22 12:11:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MGBvVQ010702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7MGBvfp010701 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MGBvk4010697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MGBuAa020940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:57 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7MGBYge018012 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:35 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.45]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:11:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:11:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:11:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Aug 2006 16:11:33.0979 (UTC) FILETIME=[A3144AB0:01C6C605] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.327, required 6, AWL -4.92, BAYES_99 3.50, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a reminder for those who would like to join the SFD effort: There will be an IRC meeting this evening at 7 p.m. in the #slug.fl channel on irc.freenode.net. Tonight we will discuss plans for promoting our SFD events and divide those tasks between us. For more information visit the SFD wiki: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa -Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 22 21:05:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7N15UWT015049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:05:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7N15Uwg015048 for slug-track29; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:05:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7N15UIH015044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:05:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7N15Tdb013131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:05:29 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7N15966026649 for ; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:05:10 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.111]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:05:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 18:05:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:04:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Notes Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:04:54 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2006 01:05:09.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D991BD0:01C6C650] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.359, required 6, AWL -3.89, BAYES_99 3.50, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tonight at the SFD IRC meeting we talked about what promotional work has been done so far (press releases and a few flyers distributed) and what remains to be done: Posting more flyers around the bay area (libraries, universities, workplaces, etc.), contacting local radio stations that might express interest in covering the story (WUSF, WMNF, etc.) and posting SFD details on websites like Craigslist and person blogs. If you can help with any of these tasks, now is the time to get involved. SFD will only be a sucess if we work together. As previously mentioned, the SFD wiki contains all of the details plus promotional material for you to use: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa The next SFD IRC meeting will be next Tuesday, August 29 at 7 p.m. in #slug.fl on irc.freenode.net. We will discuss plans for our exhibits at MOSI and MIrta's as well as do a follow-up on how promotion is going. Please join us at the meeting if you can. Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 09:32:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NDWgWM021341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:32:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NDWg1k021340 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:32:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NDWfpC021336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:32:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NDWgDu026321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:32:42 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NDWOiK025947 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:32:24 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.91]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:32:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:32:23 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:32:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] FW: [SFD-TC] Get your SFD T-shirts before Friday! Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 09:32:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2006 13:32:23.0608 (UTC) FILETIME=[91071380:01C6C6B8] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.216, required 6, AWL -3.61, BAYES_80 2.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00, TW_MZ 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Robert Schumann >To: SFD Team Contacts >Subject: [SFD-TC] Get your SFD T-shirts before Friday! >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:58:08 +0100 > >Buy your look-at-me-now orange SFD T-shirt now at > http://tinyurl.com/h3kgl >The deadline for buying extra T-shirts for Software Freedom Day is this >*Friday 25 August*, so make sure to get your order in! > >Every team that registered before the 19 July deadline (that's 136 teams) >will be receiving at least two free T-shirts (although final numbers will >only be known this weekend). If you would like more T-shirts you will need >to buy them before THIS FRIDAY - our shipping deadline is this weekend! > >PRICES (including shipping from Australia) are >* AUD$20 or approx. USD$15.27 >* AUD$15 or approx. USD$11.45 if you want your shirt shipped to a >registered team address >* CHEAPER than that for teams in developing countries (simply reply to this >email for further details) >To have your shirt shipped to a registered team address, enter teamzshirtz >into the discount code section of the ordering process. Make sure you >include your team details (city, country and team leader) in the order >comments, so we know where to send it. Our Team: Suncoast Linux Users Group Location: Tampa, FL US Team Leader: Jonathon Conte >Payment can be made by Paypal or credit card. > >Available sizes are: >* Womens M and L >* Mens M, L, XL, XXL and XXXL >Specify chosen sizes in your order comments. > >Go orange on SFD - buy a T-shirt to support the event! > >Robert. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Team-contacts mailing list >Team-contacts@sf-day.org >http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/team-contacts This is a great way to support SFD. Even if you are not able to attend one of the Tampa events, consider purchasing a shirt for one of the volunteers who will be there. Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 17:23:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NLN6ro025184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:23:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NLN6iw025183 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:23:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NLN5HL025179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:23:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NLN51h016362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:23:05 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NLMpWF017961 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:22:51 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so336309pyf for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:22:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ybzn7SPj6vCJwdTyXuM3ddNmt8UnIZPbUzSqIa5rd7SskC/1KfZoeuRnGFXIh/MjYtkrjvp6X/1pn0h+hWhiJhOyT/qeLEiIh7+QLlmYlGwQQwQc4SR/ZwSCTmRG0tMWGg+VSIMu8fImVVO17qSIAbm5K625lxlo+wxU4qoGZ94= Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr1336109pyi; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.19 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:22:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608231422g2272ff9bx9873378a18a6c9f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:22:51 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] FW: [SFD-TC] Get your SFD T-shirts before Friday! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_127924_23115907.1156368171097" References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.252, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.20, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_MZ 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_127924_23115907.1156368171097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/23/06, Sick Twist wrote: > > >From: Robert Schumann > >To: SFD Team Contacts > >Subject: [SFD-TC] Get your SFD T-shirts before Friday! > >Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:58:08 +0100 > > > >Buy your look-at-me-now orange SFD T-shirt now at > > http://tinyurl.com/h3kgl > >The deadline for buying extra T-shirts for Software Freedom Day is this > >*Friday 25 August*, so make sure to get your order in! > > > >Every team that registered before the 19 July deadline (that's 136 teams) > >will be receiving at least two free T-shirts (although final numbers will > >only be known this weekend). If you would like more T-shirts you will > need > >to buy them before THIS FRIDAY - our shipping deadline is this weekend! > > > >PRICES (including shipping from Australia) are > >* AUD$20 or approx. USD$15.27 > >* AUD$15 or approx. USD$11.45 if you want your shirt shipped to a > >registered team address > >* CHEAPER than that for teams in developing countries (simply reply to > this > >email for further details) > >To have your shirt shipped to a registered team address, enter > teamzshirtz > >into the discount code section of the ordering process. Make sure you > >include your team details (city, country and team leader) in the order > >comments, so we know where to send it. > > Our Team: Suncoast Linux Users Group > Location: Tampa, FL US > Team Leader: Jonathon Conte > > >Payment can be made by Paypal or credit card. > > > >Available sizes are: > >* Womens M and L > >* Mens M, L, XL, XXL and XXXL > >Specify chosen sizes in your order comments. They dont even come in WeeRobby size. 3x tummy with 5x shoulders. I should sue!!!! > > >Go orange on SFD - buy a T-shirt to support the event! > > > >Robert. > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Team-contacts mailing list > >Team-contacts@sf-day.org > >http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/team-contacts > > This is a great way to support SFD. Even if you are not able to attend one > of the Tampa events, consider purchasing a shirt for one of the volunteers > who will be there. > > Jonathon > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_127924_23115907.1156368171097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 8/23/06, Sick Twist <thesicktwist@hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: Robert Schumann <robert@softwarefreedomday.org >
>To: SFD Team Contacts <team-contacts@sf-day.org>
>Subject: [SFD-TC] Get your SFD T-shirts before Friday!
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:58:08 +0100
>
>Buy your look-at-me-now orange SFD T-shirt now at
>   http://tinyurl.com/h3kgl
>The deadline for buying extra T-shirts for Software Freedom Day is this
>*Friday 25 August*, so make sure to get your order in!
>
>Every team that registered before the 19 July deadline (that's 136 teams)
>will be receiving at least two free T-shirts (although final numbers will
>only be known this weekend).  If you would like more T-shirts you will need
>to buy them before THIS FRIDAY - our shipping deadline is this weekend!
>
>PRICES (including shipping from Australia) are
>* AUD$20 or approx. USD$15.27
>* AUD$15 or approx. USD$11.45 if you want your shirt shipped to a
>registered team address
>* CHEAPER than that for teams in developing countries (simply reply to this
>email for further details)
>To have your shirt shipped to a registered team address, enter teamzshirtz
>into the discount code section of the ordering process.  Make sure you
>include your team details (city, country and team leader) in the order
>comments, so we know where to send it.

Our Team: Suncoast Linux Users Group
Location: Tampa, FL US
Team Leader: Jonathon Conte

>Payment can be made by Paypal or credit card.
>
>Available sizes are:
>* Womens M and L
>* Mens M, L, XL, XXL and XXXL
>Specify chosen sizes in your order comments.
 
They dont even come in WeeRobby size.  3x tummy with 5x shoulders.   I should sue!!!!
 

>
>Go orange on SFD - buy a T-shirt to support the event!
>
>Robert.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Team-contacts mailing list
>Team-contacts@sf-day.org
> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/team-contacts

This is a great way to support SFD. Even if you are not able to attend one
of the Tampa events, consider purchasing a shirt for one of the volunteers
who will be there.

Jonathon


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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 18:47:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NMlEuq025828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:47:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NMlE1k025827 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:47:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NMlDI1025823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:47:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NMlD9D020176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:47:13 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.236]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NMkxc7028546 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:47:00 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so58177hub for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:46:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LuZup52TeN55O/tyrnyFj0QykblosaFc1z9Z+H7Uflfz8/Rg3Xj0oV9mrx3cKPPVBEqy93Ul4xVwigEDdYky8F70vPE97eh/x6jKZMivusZ0TUxaCjCjkrehFRk2lC5raWEfe2Ih7JKcWB5NaKOhdSZzZKsmK7MmurT2VDxuzSk= Received: by 10.49.91.6 with SMTP id t6mr2711183nfl; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:46:57 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.382, required 6, AWL 0.78, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when I go out to check something out... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:10:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNAZmV026033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:10:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNAZNa026032 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:10:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNAYGj026028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:10:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNAYZt021246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:10:34 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNAP5l028047 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:10:25 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.186.232]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4H00KBG4CWIXR1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:10:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:10:56 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-reply-to: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608231910.56315.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:46, Chuck Hast wrote: > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when > I go out to check something out... Hi Chuck! MySpace requires Flash 9. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:14:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNE93P026063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:14:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNE9nK026062 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:14:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNE9KW026058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:14:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNE9aI021351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:14:09 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNDqmj028476 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:13:52 -0400 Received: from rufus (37.205.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.205.37]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7NNDpKg008812 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608232313.k7NNDpKg008812@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:14:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200608231910.56315.petetheisen@verizon.net> Thread-Index: AcbHCWiXlWGA9JNkQ4aFRBbhhto84wAAFDEg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=4.647, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> my regular site enjoyed a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it from my MySpace page. So you got three visitors? Cool! Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Pete Theisen Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:11 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:46, Chuck Hast wrote: > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens > when I go out to check something out... Hi Chuck! MySpace requires Flash 9. Before everyone laughs, my regular site enjoyed a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it from my MySpace page. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:15:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNFBsw026085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNFBht026084 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNFABx026080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNFA5b021397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:10 -0400 Received: from serv01.clev10.com (ns1.clev10.com [66.98.140.64]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNEtB9014649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:14:56 -0400 Received: from pool-71-122-164-179.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.122.164.179]:39789 helo=[192.168.1.104]) by serv01.clev10.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GG1vx-0007IT-Ja for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:14:53 -0500 Message-ID: <44ECE16E.9080000@roblimo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:14:54 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - serv01.clev10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roblimo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.095, required 6, AWL -0.98, BAYES_05 -1.11, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when > I go out to check something out... Supposedly Flash 9 for Linux will be available shortly.... - R ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:15:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNFtwo026098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNFtBn026097 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNFswt026093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNFsYW021432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:55 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.226]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNFeN4028559 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:40 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so59398hub for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:15:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I5CD05upk+kfHDumz5Yv5iSpY3UYJPdg2+fvMxCzkiEOT1wW1XYyKEZ9TotEhGpxoWElR1W0Cs7jVNn4B2P/Q1SbL0B/9OHzqaFN1FPAISvFS3f7lRMUg5zjgjx0tB7ObQM/GMiELxfgMw2z0YoNo6kUHaqH/G8W7ydOdWo0oTc= Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr2725639nfl; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608231615g21f20ee8l918646cd58ef4f06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:15:38 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-Reply-To: <200608231910.56315.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> <200608231910.56315.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.907, required 6, AWL 0.31, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:46, Chuck Hast wrote: > > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when > > I go out to check something out... > > Hi Chuck! > > MySpace requires Flash 9. Before everyone laughs, my regular site enjoyed a > 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it from my MySpace page. > I am trying to figure out what they are going to do, saw a discussion about them releasing 8.5 or 9 for linux along with the rest of the platforms, but the thing was dated Dec 2005.... Sure is a pain when these sites implement something like this that is not available to us yet. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:19:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNJunN026189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:19:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNJuGt026188 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:19:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNJtXu026184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:19:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNJt9I021662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:19:55 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.82]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNJcnX031979 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:19:38 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.107]) by bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:19:37 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:19:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:19:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:19:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2006 23:19:37.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A175AA0:01C6C70A] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.605, required 6, AWL -2.75, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, J_CHICKENPOX_55 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Chuck Hast" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:46:57 -0400 > >Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than >flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when >I go out to check something out... > Flash 8 is being skipped for Linux. Flash 9 for Linux is in development at the moment. It will use ALSA, GTK+ (I assume version 2) and Video4Linux 1. http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/expertarticles/wpn-62-20060727FlashPlayer9HeadingToLinux.html Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:23:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNNqAn026237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:23:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNNqVG026236 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:23:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNNqwh026232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:23:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNNbkt021819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:23:52 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNNMZO028392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:23:23 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GG246-0008M3-FJ for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:23:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <44ECE16E.9080000@roblimo.com> References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> <44ECE16E.9080000@roblimo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-T3yqGaLHdelnhHKb1+B1" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:22:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1156375323.2632.21.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.149, required 6, AWL -0.85, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-T3yqGaLHdelnhHKb1+B1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 19:14 -0400, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: > > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when > > I go out to check something out... >=20 > Supposedly Flash 9 for Linux will be available shortly.... Shortly on what time scale? The Logan --=20 All your base are belong to us. -- Zero Wing Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-T3yqGaLHdelnhHKb1+B1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE7OMb3OecGqSbkyMRAi/CAJ4pYLVTiaM2Vlcaq0ffrPkpHfuV+wCgwSx7 r06KPY+Z6WuRBG+qw40yXdE= =ZFYq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-T3yqGaLHdelnhHKb1+B1-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:31:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNV43K026293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:31:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNV4SF026292 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:31:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNV3Rr026288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:31:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNV38o022105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:31:03 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.229]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNUrdM032556 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:30:53 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so60050hub for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A0iHDghy3BgPH4tYQeaci7SwjuarRAwJyJ3XDTJLvXGkgMUvvK4Iigz/OMkhtgjEuOqFIM1Nl6IaQRoSPzGX9wS63UxzHbAUSCWgwu3kHPI2e6Z5Orud6A+tpsHmr8xMFjkb4+HY3UV4DFF7CcAgCiYU4OMQkplwU2O7xuH1VDo= Received: by 10.49.91.6 with SMTP id t6mr2753091nfl; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608231630h34f21abbmc79b83bf807dce1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:30:42 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.726, required 6, AWL 0.53, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_55 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/23/06, Sick Twist wrote: > >From: "Chuck Hast" > >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >To: slug@nks.net > >Subject: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? > >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:46:57 -0400 > > > >Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > >flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when > >I go out to check something out... > > > > Flash 8 is being skipped for Linux. Flash 9 for Linux is in development at > the moment. It will use ALSA, GTK+ (I assume version 2) and Video4Linux 1. > > http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/expertarticles/wpn-62-20060727FlashPlayer9HeadingToLinux.html > > Yes I found the developers blog on Flash 9, which is where it is at. I was digging around for 8 and I guess it is dead and done. Looks like from the blog that they have the video running pretty reliably. Hope that they can get something out soon, at least a beta to play with. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:42:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNg61s026375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:42:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNg6PH026374 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:42:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNg64v026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:42:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNg6BG022505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:42:06 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNfhKl031057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:41:44 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GG2Lr-0000oE-2X for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:41:39 -0400 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200608232313.k7NNDpKg008812@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200608232313.k7NNDpKg008812@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-WDkjuD5mKIrsyDpIN7Sj" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:40:24 -0400 Message-Id: <1156376424.2632.23.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.069, required 6, AWL -0.88, BAYES_40 -0.18, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-WDkjuD5mKIrsyDpIN7Sj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 19:14 -0400, Ken Elliott egregiously top posted: > >> my regular site enjoyed a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it > from my MySpace page. >=20 > So you got three visitors? Cool! >=20 Hey, 300% is still 300%! My glass is half full, The Logan --=20 We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur. -- Al Gore Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-WDkjuD5mKIrsyDpIN7Sj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE7Odo3OecGqSbkyMRAgDcAJ9pjiUrK7Wq3zcQrlc/bgC8GJftuwCfV4Nk 19DntVbq1zLuP/2Sc3U8Fi4= =RXC8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-WDkjuD5mKIrsyDpIN7Sj-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:51:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNplFS026439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:51:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNple1026438 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:51:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNplMh026434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:51:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNpk4v023007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:51:47 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNpWBr027712 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:51:33 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.186.232]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4H00H1N69KJLJ1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:51:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:52:07 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-reply-to: <200608232313.k7NNDpKg008812@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608231952.08090.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200608232313.k7NNDpKg008812@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.695, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.70, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:14, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> my regular site enjoyed a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it > > from my MySpace page. > > So you got three visitors? Cool! Hi Ken! Actually about 30 to 40 or so at a time now, when I am doing my admin work I can see how many. They must be from Europe or England at that time in the morning. I don't admin during the day so there is no telling how much local traffic, unless it is buried way in the stats somewhere that I don't know where to look. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 19:53:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNrmic026459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:53:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7NNrmsi026458 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:53:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNrluv026454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:53:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNrlOp023102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:53:47 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7NNrUU7002362 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:53:30 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.186.232]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4H00DQW6CDP6J1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 18:53:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:53:48 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-reply-to: <620c90570608231615g21f20ee8l918646cd58ef4f06@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608231953.49038.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> <200608231910.56315.petetheisen@verizon.net> <620c90570608231615g21f20ee8l918646cd58ef4f06@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:15, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:46, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > > > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when > > > I go out to check something out... > > > > Hi Chuck! > > > > MySpace requires Flash 9. Before everyone laughs, my regular site enjoyed > > a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it from my MySpace page. > > I am trying to figure out what they are going to do, saw a discussion about > them releasing 8.5 or 9 for linux along with the rest of the platforms, but > the thing was dated Dec 2005.... > > Sure is a pain when these sites implement something like this that is not > available to us yet. Hi Chuck! Blame it on winders security issues. MySpace was getting hacked big time. Not my page, I don't allow any html on it. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 20:02:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O02GQi026589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:02:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7O02GBI026588 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O02Flj026584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:02:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O02F2G023549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:02:15 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.226]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0210h003395 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:02:02 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 21so57803hug for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:02:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mfhb2PDWxu6QiSSS0O7XyCIgAAJ4Ver5KXESvy52XZ5wL4qtJaKI6BDhUgJ4QVZJfwJXvJIvGZIXie9MaYpS0v1JllvTn76ONnwK3ju+tdsUeWHqRckpgQR4es2Wu3A+o9o0iPapyntzlwg2X9Z/ZWp62kd/t23lNVSnaJC28Lo= Received: by 10.49.29.2 with SMTP id g2mr2773464nfj; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608231702i681d46e1sa16ae546ea9e18e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:02:00 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-Reply-To: <200608231953.49038.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> <200608231910.56315.petetheisen@verizon.net> <620c90570608231615g21f20ee8l918646cd58ef4f06@mail.gmail.com> <200608231953.49038.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.407, required 6, AWL 0.81, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:15, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:46, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > > > > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens when > > > > I go out to check something out... > > > > > > Hi Chuck! > > > > > > MySpace requires Flash 9. Before everyone laughs, my regular site enjoyed > > > a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it from my MySpace page. > > > > I am trying to figure out what they are going to do, saw a discussion about > > them releasing 8.5 or 9 for linux along with the rest of the platforms, but > > the thing was dated Dec 2005.... > > > > Sure is a pain when these sites implement something like this that is not > > available to us yet. > > Hi Chuck! > > Blame it on winders security issues. MySpace was getting hacked big time. Not > my page, I don't allow any html on it. > Pete, I guess that is one way to fix the cracking... Still a pain, hope that the guys working on flash 9 get it done so we can use some of this stuff. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 20:29:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0T7Dr026813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:29:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7O0T7Sx026812 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:29:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0T7kq026808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:29:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0T7Ku024616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:29:07 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0SjlI006471 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:28:45 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.186.232]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4H00L287ZE4ZB7@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:28:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:29:14 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-reply-to: <620c90570608231702i681d46e1sa16ae546ea9e18e7@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608232029.14442.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> <200608231953.49038.petetheisen@verizon.net> <620c90570608231702i681d46e1sa16ae546ea9e18e7@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.3, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 23 August 2006 20:02, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:15, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:46, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > > > > > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens > > > > > when I go out to check something out... > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck! > > > > > > > > MySpace requires Flash 9. Before everyone laughs, my regular site > > > > enjoyed a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it from my > > > > MySpace page. > > > > > > I am trying to figure out what they are going to do, saw a discussion > > > about them releasing 8.5 or 9 for linux along with the rest of the > > > platforms, but the thing was dated Dec 2005.... > > > > > > Sure is a pain when these sites implement something like this that is > > > not available to us yet. > > > > Hi Chuck! > > > > Blame it on winders security issues. MySpace was getting hacked big time. > > Not my page, I don't allow any html on it. > > Pete, I guess that is one way to fix the cracking... Still a pain, hope > that the guys working on flash 9 get it done so we can use some of this > stuff. Hi Chuck! I don't miss html because I am a text oriented person. It will support links, however. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 23 20:34:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0YSBV026854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:34:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7O0YSQ2026853 for slug-track29; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:34:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0YSBB026849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:34:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0YR36024790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:34:27 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7O0YEQS006962 for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:34:15 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so62824hub for ; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t9JITDW0G1ab2tErzbUGgRJugx/SUkrT9zX/t2X8tet4vfoos4qUCJY4DCIHZV7bP0zfc6gWcLhPpOrJLM+/ewxMaXdj882WkiLPBKh1Gj3Z11vSwEvmr+FR1lW372d1yVDPUkUN+xtzMXnqVoExHWeK0t2nPUsAj2fOz1/gQkY= Received: by 10.49.43.2 with SMTP id v2mr2800704nfj; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Aug 2006 17:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608231734r5e8e5798i1522fe6cf84d2221@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:34:13 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 8 for Linux? In-Reply-To: <200608232029.14442.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608231546k7d5e8e4fw42c8936859b72d8a@mail.gmail.com> <200608231953.49038.petetheisen@verizon.net> <620c90570608231702i681d46e1sa16ae546ea9e18e7@mail.gmail.com> <200608232029.14442.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.379, required 6, AWL 0.78, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 20:02, Chuck Hast wrote: > > On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 19:15, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > On 8/23/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 18:46, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know when they are going to have something better than > > > > > > flash 7 for us? I am seeing more and more flash 8 required screens > > > > > > when I go out to check something out... > > > > > > > > > > Hi Chuck! > > > > > > > > > > MySpace requires Flash 9. Before everyone laughs, my regular site > > > > > enjoyed a 300% increase in traffic when I linked to it from my > > > > > MySpace page. > > > > > > > > I am trying to figure out what they are going to do, saw a discussion > > > > about them releasing 8.5 or 9 for linux along with the rest of the > > > > platforms, but the thing was dated Dec 2005.... > > > > > > > > Sure is a pain when these sites implement something like this that is > > > > not available to us yet. > > > > > > Hi Chuck! > > > > > > Blame it on winders security issues. MySpace was getting hacked big time. > > > Not my page, I don't allow any html on it. > > > > Pete, I guess that is one way to fix the cracking... Still a pain, hope > > that the guys working on flash 9 get it done so we can use some of this > > stuff. > > Hi Chuck! > > I don't miss html because I am a text oriented person. It will support links, > however. > Yes text is clean short light and easy to handle... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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This is the version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. Firefox 1.5.0.3 -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 12:45:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGjcDN014187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:45:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PGjcDR014186 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:45:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGjcVk014182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:45:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGjbEE014681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:45:37 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGjS3U011885 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:45:29 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so931606wxc for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kDpKKaPEsjDnqapdukleJkT+xOCsJY+jUEGxxqmQ1uGwA1mq/7dX2OectrIN7gbhhVxGc3iKJmU8hQiq/f9Hn0LHVVLt16ppKoWdNFGa95ce6il4ejobEy+kAFzr66kgWDB3Fqd2fgmoO7pDUWjsXjgq/1iX2o54FaytCin5wEc= Received: by 10.90.84.17 with SMTP id h17mr705292agb; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:45:27 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.46, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have checked > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr file but > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This is the > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > Firefox 1.5.0.3 Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 12:52:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGqopc014235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:52:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PGqo3w014234 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:52:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGqnsT014230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:52:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGqnOT014924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:52:49 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.235]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PGqTd3009174 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:52:29 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so217585hub for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:52:28 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ndUx4epjj4UWj9DDZhpNqrEUB6YVrPdz5lW7pKrfXASajaLUYzkNUXlacz+ARQ7mLbAC7sF1VEh/RACPIWITHVH95D8ohNpQOd3xmC80ePZrtNv5BPiufA8hF9jPfkFaieOH8LER6pKaCxk+h4p0NEWB0doMofo2IHMZLsZFJ6M= Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr5618695nfg; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:52:27 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.508, required 6, AWL -0.29, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/25/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have checked > > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr file but > > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This is the > > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > > Firefox 1.5.0.3 > > Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 13:32:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PHWLB8014612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:32:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PHWLmO014611 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:32:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PHWKak014607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:32:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PHWKdT016478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:32:20 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PHW4vc016966 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:32:04 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4K0010DE0W5VO4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:31:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-reply-to: <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.515, required 6, AWL -1.19, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/25/06, Levi Bard wrote: >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have >> checked >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr >> file but >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This >> is the >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. >> > Firefox 1.5.0.3 >> >> Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist: eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock lrwxrwxrwx 1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788 If it does and FF isn't running, delete it. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 LIBRA: A big promotion is just around the corner for someone much more talented than you. Laughter is the very best medicine, remember that when your appendix bursts next week. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 16:10:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKAjI0015885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:10:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PKAjq0015884 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:10:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKAjqh015880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:10:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKAjNb022880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:10:45 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.238]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKAVxq006813 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:10:31 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so230254hub for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:10:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jgKNuFmAVxWLf2/C5RdYjoJpt2ByyeJD5sXqAT8JeJXn+QRl2g1v5KC6LlDQGAy+RP89rHBvo8MbaAm2hS9lO62vS4qPRmzIwAgtaaufdL49ASwwOlZwl2+Bx4parowAnMSdXd0d+3PzFKm50nRnOIchfviqL1o2KyIrwV0+yHU= Received: by 10.48.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr5863016nfi; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:10:30 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.615, required 6, AWL -0.69, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/25/06, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > On 8/25/06, Levi Bard wrote: > >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have > >> checked > >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr > >> file but > >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This > >> is the > >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > >> > Firefox 1.5.0.3 > >> > >> Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? > > > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. > > Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist: > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock > lrwxrwxrwx 1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788 > > If it does and FF isn't running, delete it. > > -- The lock file goes away when ff shuts down so it is getting it from else where. I have looked at the prefs.js file and created a little user.js file all to no avail. There is also nothing in the about:config stuff either, it must be something that has been left in there. You can turn it off but as soon as you restart the browser it comes back up offline. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 16:37:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKbRpC016114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:37:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PKbRSA016113 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:37:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKbQeF016109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:37:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKbQTx023980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:37:26 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKb3HG009239 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:37:07 -0400 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.101.98.158]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4K00422MLQJEY3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:37:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:38:17 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-reply-to: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608251638.17813.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Organization: Joe-Di Enterprises MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.356, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 25 August 2006 10:10 am, Chuck Hast wrote: > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have > checked the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the > user.jr file but it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode > Any ideas. This is the version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > Firefox 1.5.0.3 Do you have more than 1 network ie.. wired and wireless? It may be confused. It happens sometimes on my laptop Suse 10.0 -- Joe Brandt 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 16:42:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKghf1016176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:42:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PKghIx016175 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:42:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKghqc016171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:42:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKggHj024177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:42:43 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PKgV5O001337 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:42:31 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1001347wxc for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b+ILcNbMagbNQvdcWD/IphXxKeRVmaYkIutD7TZN3npXDM16JKQaoQmKos8FGTFF/SrMsKOINHZQka/VWYHBQ7jfUMM1pKFBTodDylSuL2GYyuMgiDcMcedbCe26MWgZbgdtnwhvJMeE504chlMpCq79wqD36gsEIAe0YIPHJS0= Received: by 10.90.117.15 with SMTP id p15mr786341agc; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:42:31 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.084, required 6, AWL -0.62, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have > > >> checked > > >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr > > >> file but > > >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This > > >> is the > > >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > > >> > Firefox 1.5.0.3 > > >> > > >> Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? > > > > > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. > > > > Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist: > > > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788 > > > > If it does and FF isn't running, delete it. > > > > -- > > The lock file goes away when ff shuts down so it is getting it from else > where. I have looked at the prefs.js file and created a little user.js file > all to no avail. There is also nothing in the about:config stuff either, it > must be something that has been left in there. You can turn it off but > as soon as you restart the browser it comes back up offline. 1) Mine's in ~/.firefox 2) Try renaming your ~/.firefox (and/or ~/.mozilla) and starting FireFox again. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 18:50:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PMo5FP017230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:50:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PMo5hg017229 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:50:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PMo4To017225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:50:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PMo4EL029692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:50:04 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PMnqNP008055 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:49:52 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so972069nfc for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:49:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YEg8MKJGQl03wRdhuBi+prj6aHq9ns1h5uS7pbak34GASQ18G4Gs/NRSv251C4E3tXqpZzSA5QXgVqxZiwLn+ugu8M2PbPfSS3wWgUsWxKn001ByvyUsHBaZJvXN2htj4XpKYGlpidApWEJPwp1DOUa3EdbdG5dVPbZAprU+o3I= Received: by 10.48.163.19 with SMTP id l19mr5680837nfe; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608251549v11b0b72dtf83fb27236e0ebfc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:49:51 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13799_5065951.1156546191166" References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.888, required 6, AWL -1.97, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_46 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP 0.17, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_13799_5065951.1156546191166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/25/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > > > >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I > have > > > >> checked > > > >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the > user.jr > > > >> file but > > > >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any > ideas. This > > > >> is the > > > >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > > > >> > Firefox 1.5.0.3 > > > >> > > > >> Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? > > > > > > > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. > > > > > > Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist: > > > > > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 > /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788 > > > > > > If it does and FF isn't running, delete it. > > > > > > -- > > > > The lock file goes away when ff shuts down so it is getting it from else > > where. I have looked at the prefs.js file and created a little user.jsfile > > all to no avail. There is also nothing in the about:config stuff either, > it > > must be something that has been left in there. You can turn it off but > > as soon as you restart the browser it comes back up offline. > > 1) Mine's in ~/.firefox > 2) Try renaming your ~/.firefox (and/or ~/.mozilla) and starting FireFox > again. Also, if profiles don't matter to you, try firefox -ProfileManager And create a new profile. All of my problems with firefox have stemmed from some kinda weird problem involving one or more of my profiles. -- > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_13799_5065951.1156546191166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 8/25/06, Levi Bard <taktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktak@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have
> > >> checked
> > >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr
> > >> file but
> > >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This
> > >> is the
> > >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1.
> > >> > Firefox MailAssistant warning: numerical links are often malicious: 1.5.0.3
> > >>
> > >> Can you try upgrading to MailAssistant warning: numerical links are often malicious: 1.5.0.6?
> > >
> > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it.
> >
> > Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist:
> >
> > eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock
> > lrwxrwxrwx  1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788
> >
> > If it does and FF isn't running, delete it.
> >
> > --
>
> The lock file goes away when ff shuts down so it is getting it from else
> where. I have looked at the prefs.js file and created a little user.js file
> all to no avail. There is also nothing in the about:config stuff either, it
> must be something that has been left in there. You can turn it off but
> as soon as you restart the browser it comes back up offline.

1) Mine's in ~/.firefox
2) Try renaming your ~/.firefox (and/or ~/.mozilla) and starting FireFox again.
 
Also, if profiles don't matter to you, try
 
firefox -ProfileManager
 
And create a new profile.  All of my problems with firefox have stemmed from some kinda weird problem involving one or more of my profiles.

--
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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Aug 25 19:15:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PNFQZ8017445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:15:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7PNFQXc017444 for slug-track29; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:15:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PNFP5p017440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:15:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PNFPtL030771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:15:25 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7PNF8SY024469 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:15:08 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so974764nfc for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tk/hZd4YAkgFRMPDg9C3nkabjMzFwBU37yh1eXac91Bh5fdxavWZbDPJPlPHsmHcvfs9nSTr2F0ab0/lKbkyuRFyMkopIKri1v8msYMSizunCgbywCzDDfb2PY44tYADDW+3ch2p4vlkdFZYvlRbGKmFDmXowxaEH2yXuz68dn0= Received: by 10.49.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr5991487nfj; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608251615r6ff1626aga60257e928df870f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:15:07 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: <255f52a0608251549v11b0b72dtf83fb27236e0ebfc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608251549v11b0b72dtf83fb27236e0ebfc@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.955, required 6, AWL -0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Whoops...how about that...Gmail converts Firefox version numbers to links unless you explicitly send as plain text... sorry. On 8/25/06, Possum wrote: > > > > > On 8/25/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > > > >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have > > > > >> checked > > > > >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr > > > > >> file but > > > > >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This > > > > >> is the > > > > >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > > > > >> > Firefox MailAssistant warning: numerical links are often malicious: 1.5.0.3 > > > > >> > > > > >> Can you try upgrading to MailAssistant warning: numerical links are often malicious: 1.5.0.6? > > > > > > > > > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. > > > > > > > > Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist: > > > > > > > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788 > > > > > > > > If it does and FF isn't running, delete it. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The lock file goes away when ff shuts down so it is getting it from else > > > where. I have looked at the prefs.js file and created a little user.js file > > > all to no avail. There is also nothing in the about:config stuff either, it > > > must be something that has been left in there. You can turn it off but > > > as soon as you restart the browser it comes back up offline. > > > > 1) Mine's in ~/.firefox > > 2) Try renaming your ~/.firefox (and/or ~/.mozilla) and starting FireFox again. > > > Also, if profiles don't matter to you, try > > firefox -ProfileManager > > And create a new profile. All of my problems with firefox have stemmed from some kinda weird problem involving one or more of my profiles. > > > -- > > Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 26 22:34:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2YH4g030846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:34:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7R2YHJW030845 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:34:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2YDic030841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:34:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2YDN9010167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:34:13 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2Xo4w025735 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:33:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.1] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:33:49 -0400 Message-ID: <44F1043B.4010302@acpdata.com> Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:32:27 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Fax Recomendations References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.766, required 6, AWL -0.31, BAYES_50 0.00, TW_GT 0.08, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am trying to set up a Fedora machine as a fax server. I just need to receive faxes, leave a copy in the directory, and mail a copy to someone. At present, I thought efax-gtk would do the trick. From what I understand though, it runs within x-windows under the user logged on. I personally just want to to run as another service. Has someone set up a fax server? The other trick I need to figure out is how to answer the distinctive ring of the fax. I use 2 short rings for the incoming fax number as opposed to a voice call. Opened for recommendations -- ../Todd ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 26 22:36:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2aadw030873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:36:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7R2aagF030872 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:36:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2aZ7T030868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:36:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2aZwU010299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:36:35 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2aEdd029545 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:36:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7R2aDhm020242 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:36:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] *.mms Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:38:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.627, required 6, AWL -1.93, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with Firefox most current version knows how to open them. How do you handle the mms protocol? Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 26 22:48:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2mOfw030972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7R2mOFd030971 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2mOXm030967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2mNdH010765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:23 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R2m9VA023717 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:09 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4M00KUIYG4CRO0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:48:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] *.mms In-reply-to: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.286, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.28, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Richard Smoot wrote: > wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems > to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with > Firefox most current version knows how to open them. > How do you handle the mms protocol? What does "file" say they are? How big is one, and about how long (m:s) is it? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 SAGITTARIUS: All your friends are laughing behind your back... kill them. Take down all those naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine you've got hanging in your den. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Aug 26 23:28:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R3SQqn031364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7R3SQRE031363 for slug-track29; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R3SPei031359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R3SPXO012380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:25 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R3S41L001473 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:05 -0400 Received: from rufus (37.205.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.205.37]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7R3S3dC019835 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200608270328.k7R3S3dC019835@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] *.mms Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:28:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Thread-Index: AcbJga0scYo8IEo6TiKCsuGExZf1lQABuQ6Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=4.647, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. Odd. I went there and found the files were .WMV format. That's the Windows Media Video format. If you somehow saw a MMS file, I expect that would be a Windows MultiMedia Server component. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Richard Smoot Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 10:38 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] *.mms wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with Firefox most current version knows how to open them. How do you handle the mms protocol? Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 27 00:03:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R430k9031645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:03:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7R4303e031644 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:03:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R430ib031640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:03:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R42xcH013883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:02:59 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R42cot023953 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:02:38 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GHBr3-0007LL-00 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:02:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] *.mms From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> References: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:02:36 -0400 Message-Id: <1156651356.1462.1.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.391, required 6, AWL -2.65, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Podcast? On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 22:38 -0400, Richard Smoot wrote: > wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems > to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with > Firefox most current version knows how to open them. > How do you handle the mms protocol? > > Richard Smoot > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 27 00:16:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R4GKAC031794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:16:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7R4GKBw031793 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:16:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R4GJ7m031789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:16:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R4GJVV016239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:16:19 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R4FsgC009890 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:15:54 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1688091pyf for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:15:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Uk8qTsjgqfP7ocy/F61JSkciZC7DjE2nXvoe1i4zMzEKtnup5stTcNuBmDf/4n+RqHS/+Q82nbM1mXCUIm9NS0VsQhK2o0oXa8wWUybabkJiW80Ow7k/8zxDJV+OFTaEAlm6en6wFOqT1XKmqihSiyyJjaO15B6A7UWqz2M6Vrg= Received: by 10.35.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr9032757pym; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.19 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608262115t64f3b09bsea66d7f80c97a808@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:15:54 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fax Recomendations In-Reply-To: <44F1043B.4010302@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_188568_33265081.1156652154072" References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <44F1043B.4010302@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.156, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.61, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_GT 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_188568_33265081.1156652154072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/26/06, Todd wrote: > > I am trying to set up a Fedora machine as a fax server. I just need to > receive faxes, leave a copy in the directory, and mail a copy to someone. > At present, I thought efax-gtk would do the trick. From what I > understand though, it runs within x-windows under the user logged on. I > personally just want to to run as another service. > > Has someone set up a fax server? The other trick I need to figure out is > how to answer the distinctive ring of the fax. I use 2 short rings for > the incoming fax number as opposed to a voice call. > > Opened for recommendations -- HylaFax check it out! ../Todd > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 8/26/06, Todd <dumb-ass@acpdata.com> wrote:
I am trying to set up a Fedora machine as a fax server. I just need to
receive faxes, leave a copy in the directory, and mail a copy to someone.
At present, I thought efax-gtk would do the trick. From what I
understand though, it runs within x-windows under the user logged on. I
personally just want to to run as another service.

Has someone set up a fax server? The other trick I need to figure out is
how to answer the distinctive ring of the fax. I use 2 short rings for
the incoming fax number as opposed to a voice call.

Opened for recommendations --
 
HylaFax check it out!

../Todd

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On 8/27/06, Russell Hires <rhires@earthlink.net> wrote:
Podcast?
 
 
NO
 
 
MMS is a merely a pointer file to the actual wmv
 
 
Here is what one looked like back in a couple of years back
 
<cyperkey>
<drm check squence>
MMS://<WindowsMediaServer>/locationoffile:port
<drm permissions>
( some are as simple as Just a line of text liek MMS://   etc.)
.mms file is just a pointer to media server and its content.
 
Like .ram files are supposed to be but people often took realmedia files and labeld them .ram instead of .rm 
 
The .ram file specification by real networks is also very much the same as teh ms media pointer format
 
<server side options /settions>
<location location of file on media sever> (rtp://<server>/file)
 

On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 22:38 -0400, Richard Smoot wrote:
> wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems
> to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with
> Firefox most current version knows how to open them.
> How do you handle the mms protocol?
>
>                              Richard Smoot
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The other trick I need to figure > out is > how to answer the distinctive ring of the fax. I use 2 short rings for > the incoming fax number as opposed to a voice call. > > Opened for recommendations -- > > > HylaFax check it out! HylaFax all the way! We have it running for customers, works pretty darned well. I remember seeing some bits on distinctive ring in the configs. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ --------------000900000004010409000404 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="icblenke.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="icblenke.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 27 03:31:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R7VFOB000954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:31:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7R7VFaq000953 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:31:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R7VF6N000949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:31:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R7VE2o028227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:31:15 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7R7Uvud025312 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:30:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7R7Us76001012 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] *.mms Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:32:54 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608270332.54966.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.222, required 6, AWL -1.33, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 26 August 2006 22:48, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Richard Smoot wrote: > > wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems > > to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with > > Firefox most current version knows how to open them. > > How do you handle the mms protocol? > > What does "file" say they are? How big is one, and about how long (m:s) > is it? I don't get an offer to download, just an error message saying it doesn't know what to do with the mms protocol. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 27 07:55:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RBt8Gb003245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:55:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7RBt8hD003244 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:55:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RBt8ng003240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:55:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RBt7tH015036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:55:07 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RBsvQu019698 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:54:57 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1795658pyf for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jGhBamxBu1bOksa2pCVm+izDdkGmBZl9IUGpCTs+6kUfq4bFNNTU8SvbPzm2BAqxbbIpODySftHpn4asqA2QfycxWAT/uh++cNYr3ONwS5S73HCv1RgF8PvRPvA7iFZF+ejwMBhqHyHmNYWva+HNW8BolO6b6Ji3cZKP2mN3A/A= Received: by 10.35.108.12 with SMTP id k12mr9743966pym; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.19 with HTTP; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 04:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860608270454m67df7631peb5cf1ef1b96b175@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:54:55 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] *.mms In-Reply-To: <200608270332.54966.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_190674_13458448.1156679695482" References: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <200608270332.54966.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.078, required 6, AWL -0.65, BAYES_05 -1.11, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_44 0.60, SARE_OBFU_PART_ORT 1.67, TW_TG 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_190674_13458448.1156679695482 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/27/06, Richard Smoot wrote: > > On Saturday 26 August 2006 22:48, Eben King wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Richard Smoot wrote: > > > wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems > > > to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with > > > Firefox most current version knows how to open them. > > > How do you handle the mms protocol? > > > > What does "file" say they are? How big is one, and about how long (m:s) > > is it? > I don't get an offer to download, just an error message saying it doesn't > know what to do with the mms protocol. I just a look at the site they are directly linking it to the server whic is another way of doing it just not a common way. I thoutgh totem supp0rted MMS:// buit I am not sure anymore Richard Smoot > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 8/27/06, Richard Smoot <rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Saturday 26 August 2006 22:48, Eben King wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Richard Smoot wrote:
> > wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems
> > to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with
> > Firefox most current version knows how to open them.
> > How do you handle the mms protocol?
>
> What does "file" say they are?  How big is one, and about how long (m:s)
> is it?
I don't get an offer to download, just an error message saying it doesn't
know what to do with the mms protocol.
 
I just a look at the site they are directly linking it to the server  whic is another way of doing it just not a common way.   I thoutgh totem supp0rted MMS:// buit I am not sure anymore
 

                             Richard Smoot
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 27 09:38:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDcJpq004119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:38:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7RDcJUL004118 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:38:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDcJN7004114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:38:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDcIjr021232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:38:19 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDbtRZ001073 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:37:55 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4N00FN9SJ2BUD5@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 08:37:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] *.mms In-reply-to: <200608270332.54966.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200608270332.54966.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.259, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.26, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 27 Aug 2006, Richard Smoot wrote: > On Saturday 26 August 2006 22:48, Eben King wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Richard Smoot wrote: >>> wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems >>> to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with >>> Firefox most current version knows how to open them. >>> How do you handle the mms protocol? >> >> What does "file" say they are? How big is one, and about how long (m:s) >> is it? > I don't get an offer to download, just an error message saying it doesn't > know what to do with the mms protocol. Then it's not the files themselves that are of type *.mms, it's that they're offered over the mms protocol (i.e. mms://). Um yeah, the easiest way to get past that I know without installing additional software is to edit the source (^U), copy the URL (mms://whatever) and see if xmms, wget, or mplayer can deal with it. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 27 09:54:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDsltw004234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:54:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7RDslG2004233 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:54:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDslak004229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:54:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDsl5q022003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:54:47 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-24-173-136-82.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.136.82]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RDsKKr007835 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:54:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98047117147B for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:54:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sigtom.com Received: from tec.sigtom.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tec.sigtom.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UixZQMLLIIMD for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858D91171610 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (hammer.sigtom.com [192.168.1.6]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6EFE117147B for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44F1A3E5.7000501@sigtom.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 09:53:41 -0400 From: Tom Craddock Jr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] *.mms References: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <200608270332.54966.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200608270332.54966.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.26, required 6, BAYES_20 -0.74, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Smoot wrote: > On Saturday 26 August 2006 22:48, Eben King wrote: > >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Richard Smoot wrote: >> >>> wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems >>> to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with >>> Firefox most current version knows how to open them. >>> How do you handle the mms protocol? >>> >> What does "file" say they are? How big is one, and about how long (m:s) >> is it? >> > I don't get an offer to download, just an error message saying it doesn't > know what to do with the mms protocol. > > Richard Smoot > > Not sure if you googled it or not, i came across, this, using terms .mms firefox linux http://www.cinlug.org/node/316 HTH. Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Aug 27 11:33:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RFXaB4005108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:33:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7RFXaWg005107 for slug-track29; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:33:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RFXZch005103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:33:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RFXZmP026771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:33:35 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7RFXF94027302 for ; Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:33:16 -0400 Received: from [192.168.100.1] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:33:14 -0400 Message-ID: <44F1BADF.30801@acpdata.com> Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:31:43 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] *.mms References: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200608262238.11168.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.061, required 6, AWL 0.06, BAYES_50 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net .mms is a windows media protocol.I would try using mplayer. I you post a link, we can check our options. ../Todd Richard Smoot wrote: > wusf.org has the gubernatorial debates online as mms files. This seems > to be a cell phone format. Neither SUSE 9.3 Pro or SLED 10.0 with > Firefox most current version knows how to open them. > How do you handle the mms protocol? > > Richard Smoot > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 01:10:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5AUqV011729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7S5AUkb011728 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5ASpI011719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5AOhM002013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:24 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5A904029157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:10 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GHZNw-0006K9-G1; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:08 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4567E56BE3; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:06 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20060828051006.4567E56BE3@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:10:06 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.335, required 6, AWL -3.32, BAYES_99 3.50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SOFTWARE FREEDOM DAY ************************************* 16 September (Saturday) 10:00am - 4:00pm Museum of Science and Industry 4801 E. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 01:14:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5EQIF011778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:14:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7S5EQJn011777 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:14:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5EPt9011773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:14:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5EPLm002178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:14:25 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7S5E4hB007413 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:14:04 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4O00BQXZUFF8T9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:13:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 01:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] Firefox cookies X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:50:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SCohnp015747 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:50:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SCohQ9015743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:50:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SCoh1V029721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:50:43 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SCoPYp023251 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:50:25 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.101]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:50:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:50:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 12:50:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Request for someone attending tonight's St. Pete meeting Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:50:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Aug 2006 12:50:24.0758 (UTC) FILETIME=[87BDD160:01C6CAA0] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.158, required 6, AWL -2.59, BAYES_60 1.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Since I am unable to attend tonight's SLUG meeting at the Globe Coffee Lounge in St. Petersburg, I would be grateful if someone else who will be there could give a brief plug for Software Freedom Day. Just mention the date (Saturday, September 16) the locations (MOSI & MIrta's) and the website (www.softwarefreedomday.org). ...Of course if you would like to be more aggressive and take flyers[1] to give to SLUG members and to leave at the coffee shop ::hint hint:: I won't complain. :) Jonathon [1] http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=promo-flyer-black-scribus-pdf.pdf ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 08:57:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SCvTAS015800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:57:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SCvSBw015799 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:57:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SCvSBF015795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:57:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SCvSeH030019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:57:28 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0102.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.231]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SCvLLZ025433 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:57:21 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 27so422593hub for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:57:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DQ1j223jLWdSd7xB/bUmd8TTfnPEbqQissiEJbzAeXw+Zxa6+xdzHR/HThRiQSy63KJ3Iu64vCbXe/qxcHlTHPn9VpdsgurTsgV1zgGP3iBJBf3PhObkQxVs2ZyCfTYWtYiIK2+sU7XLjjARPA4748xoFe5jn76+6VOG1ErzlEA= Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr8954258nff; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 05:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:57:19 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.042, required 6, AWL -0.27, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/25/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > > >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have > > > >> checked > > > >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr > > > >> file but > > > >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This > > > >> is the > > > >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > > > >> > Firefox 1.5.0.3 > > > >> > > > >> Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? > > > > > > > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. > > > > > > Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist: > > > > > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788 > > > > > > If it does and FF isn't running, delete it. > > > > > > -- > > > > The lock file goes away when ff shuts down so it is getting it from else > > where. I have looked at the prefs.js file and created a little user.js file > > all to no avail. There is also nothing in the about:config stuff either, it > > must be something that has been left in there. You can turn it off but > > as soon as you restart the browser it comes back up offline. > > 1) Mine's in ~/.firefox > 2) Try renaming your ~/.firefox (and/or ~/.mozilla) and starting FireFox again. > Here is where I am with this one, i putz'd around with this thing trying the different things, Saturday I had to use the machine on a wired connection rather than wireless (the norm at home and work) With the ethernet connected Firefox comes up on line, it is only when it is a wireless connection, I have always brought up the connection FIRST, but firefox always comes up off line if the connection is wireless, it appears that it is not getting a signal indicating it is on line that is all I can figure out. I would guess that the mechanisim that detects the physical connection does not work on a wireless connection, this is the case with both the home desktop (it is wireless too) and the laptop. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 11:29:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SFTTZU017127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:29:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SFTTCw017126 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:29:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SFTT0c017122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:29:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SFTSlp005559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:29:28 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SFT9af014863 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:29:10 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so1380502nfc for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pm4oR8rypH90y2UOdTjhp4JFAP5Ohy7ESUvsP3Ay1cskwMcD2V4+Q5Zp6N8UmjNQib29TAuRVRur7x7hOrdUmLLDJFSLTzi8bFFT+/oQArvmH2SueUciZVBWw/SlMYs4juuln8ijCvyp2Vmg/IbsTXSq0E5HTWgLE0cgDey1ItE= Received: by 10.49.29.3 with SMTP id g3mr9087024nfj; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 08:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:29:08 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox work offline will not stay off In-Reply-To: <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.727, required 6, AWL -0.98, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, J_CHICKENPOX_42 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60, TW_LR 0.08, TW_RW 0.08, TW_WX 0.08, TW_XR 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 8/28/06, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 8/25/06, Levi Bard wrote: > > > > >> > When I start firefox it now comes up always in 'work offline' I have > > > > >> checked > > > > >> > the box, I have checked about:config, I have tried to use the user.jr > > > > >> file but > > > > >> > it still insist on starting up in the 'work offline' mode Any ideas. This > > > > >> is the > > > > >> > version that is installed on SuSE 10.1. > > > > >> > Firefox 1.5.0.3 > > > > >> > > > > >> Can you try upgrading to 1.5.0.6? > > > > > > > > > > I will try it and see. Hope that fixes it. > > > > > > > > Before you do that, make sure its lock file doesn't exist: > > > > > > > > eben@pc:~$ \ls -l ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/lock > > > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 eben eben 18 2006-08-22 21:02 /home/eben/.mozilla/firefox/p8hrtmm3.default/lock -> 192.168.1.11:+2788 > > > > > > > > If it does and FF isn't running, delete it. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The lock file goes away when ff shuts down so it is getting it from else > > > where. I have looked at the prefs.js file and created a little user.js file > > > all to no avail. There is also nothing in the about:config stuff either, it > > > must be something that has been left in there. You can turn it off but > > > as soon as you restart the browser it comes back up offline. > > > > 1) Mine's in ~/.firefox > > 2) Try renaming your ~/.firefox (and/or ~/.mozilla) and starting FireFox again. > > > > Here is where I am with this one, i putz'd around with this thing trying the > different things, Saturday I had to use the machine on a wired connection > rather than wireless (the norm at home and work) With the ethernet connected > Firefox comes up on line, it is only when it is a wireless connection, I have > always brought up the connection FIRST, but firefox always comes up off > line if the connection is wireless, it appears that it is not getting a signal > indicating it is on line that is all I can figure out. I would guess that the > mechanisim that detects the physical connection does not work on a wireless > connection, this is the case with both the home desktop (it is wireless too) > and the laptop. Woah, that shouldn't be right! I've always used firefox with wireless. I'm assuming this is something distro specific (are you using SuSE on both comps?), and I'm sure there's a fix. I suggest popping a good livecd such as Knoppix (http://knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html) in and see if that detects your wireless; maybe google (sorry, use the Google(R) search engine) for solutions, or contact SuSE's support. A Google search reveals a conflict with KNetworkManager (never used it myself) at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=472478 ... and that's the only one that shows up on the first page (search terms: SuSE wireless firefox "work offline") Good luck, Possum ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 13:17:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SHH2a3018025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:17:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SHH2wP018024 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:17:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SHH1sK018020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:17:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SHH18P011179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:17:01 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.205]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SHGiUT000935 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:16:44 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i11so1026819nzi for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bl5mZmxCsOb0Uvvrzt36od71cQMabQeD3ke3LXlr8AiWYwo81JIM9jEONFbkbCVaTWYj1ZkfdFCZXi3IA8qKP3CSvuTtTABeXrnyMDdc6SCvP/6ftWd9t76NHkiZXSSIBW0nTY7KadICkOfsrKX8pz95xtdooq4fxOPT+UwrxZw= Received: by 10.35.91.10 with SMTP id t10mr12797059pyl; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.88.2 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:16:43 -0400 From: "Dylan William Hardison" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Request for someone attending tonight's St. Pete meeting In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.208, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.21, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have three flyers from the Tampa meeting, and if someone else could print some more, that'd be cool. Note that we'll be in a coffee shop with lots of other people, so we could do some useful propaganda. :) On 8/28/06, Sick Twist wrote: > Since I am unable to attend tonight's SLUG meeting at the Globe Coffee > Lounge in St. Petersburg, I would be grateful if someone else who will be > there could give a brief plug for Software Freedom Day. Just mention the > date (Saturday, September 16) the locations (MOSI & MIrta's) and the website > (www.softwarefreedomday.org). > > ...Of course if you would like to be more aggressive and take flyers[1] to > give to SLUG members and to leave at the coffee shop ::hint hint:: I won't > complain. :) > > Jonathon > > [1] > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=promo-flyer-black-scribus-pdf.pdf > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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I'm on N. Dale Mabry with a stack in my car if you're in the area. >Note that we'll be in a coffee shop with lots of other people, so we >could do some useful propaganda. :) Lure them with our coffee: http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/archives/2003/09/20/mozilla-coffee/ Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp8.knology.net with ESMTPA; 28 Aug 2006 18:09:59 -0000 Subject: [SLUG] Drive Clone From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:09:56 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi All, Simple problem. Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) It needs to be on larger drive. What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? -- JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 14:47:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SIlZrF018741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:47:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SIlZ53018740 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:47:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SIlYCs018736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:47:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SIlYOm015245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:47:34 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SIlFGg007435 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:47:16 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so354088wra for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SwD5KnrXqXZN9NNNKtWcT9YeyIXFFSACJ1UNhJIH1TIyPGQt2phRCDYLDLTPAL3FV+7G7dun39vBylo0lw/SP01ekf1A3WFy+OZdK6Z5pw5yVqgd1fyz+JrpUnRAVQZX8Nw+Eps8R94GTncaVWlrT5rzeQ+G32gwkzYfk1pwCa8= Received: by 10.90.56.14 with SMTP id e14mr1211694aga; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:47:15 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone In-Reply-To: <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.193, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.19) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. > (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) > > It needs to be on larger drive. > What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive ? Then gparted to expand partition size on newdrive if necessary. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 14:49:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SInTuv018762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:49:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SInTnb018761 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SInT1F018757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SInT13015296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:49:29 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SIn685029490 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:49:06 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4Q00FM31LTNE8H@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:49:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:49:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone In-reply-to: <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.347, required 6, AWL 0.19, BAYES_50 0.00, TW_KF 0.08, TW_MK 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, John Brown wrote: > Simple problem. > Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. > (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) > > It needs to be on larger drive. > What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? _Simplest_ would be: 1. Create partitions on the big drive (call it /dev/hdB) equal in size or slightly larger than the ones on existing drive (call it /dev/hdA). 2. Add more partitions to fill up the drive. 3. Do for each partition /dev/hdAN: dd if=/dev/hdAN of=/dev/hdBN bs=128k 4. Do for each additional partition /dev/hdBM: mkfs -t whatever /dev/hdBM 5. Reinstall the bootloader on /dev/hdB 6. Rewire/rejumper, or arrange to have the BIOS boot from /dev/hdB. Done! Be sure _not_ to copy over /dev/hdA4 (if that's the big one that holds extended partitions). Also, if you have four primaries on /dev/hdA, the last one will have to become a partition-within-a-partition (I think "extended" is the word), if you want to use the additional space on /dev/hdB. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp6.knology.net with ESMTPA; 28 Aug 2006 19:29:14 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1156793351.19495.179.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:29:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.222, required 6, AWL -1.38, BAYES_50 0.00, TW_KF 0.08, TW_MK 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 14:49, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, John Brown wrote: > > > Simple problem. > > Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. > > (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) > > > > It needs to be on larger drive. > > What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? > > _Simplest_ would be: > > 1. Create partitions on the big drive (call it /dev/hdB) equal in size or > slightly larger than the ones on existing drive (call it /dev/hdA). > 2. Add more partitions to fill up the drive. > 3. Do for each partition /dev/hdAN: > dd if=/dev/hdAN of=/dev/hdBN bs=128k > 4. Do for each additional partition /dev/hdBM: > mkfs -t whatever /dev/hdBM > 5. Reinstall the bootloader on /dev/hdB > 6. Rewire/rejumper, or arrange to have the BIOS boot from /dev/hdB. > > Done! > > Be sure _not_ to copy over /dev/hdA4 (if that's the big one that holds > extended partitions). Also, if you have four primaries on /dev/hdA, the > last one will have to become a partition-within-a-partition (I think > "extended" is the word), if you want to use the additional space on > /dev/hdB. I guess it the partitioning thing that's a bother. If I were to do this as Levi suggested, would the partitions come over too or is that a separate operation? dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive Then gparted to expand partition size on newdrive if necessary. (pardon me, its just not something I done before) -- JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 15:32:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SJWD6q019156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:32:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SJWDaG019155 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:32:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SJWDwM019151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:32:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SJWCgI017302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:32:13 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SJVvHW005151 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:31:57 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4Q008UF3IKUZW7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 14:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:30:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.159, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.16, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. >> (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) >> >> It needs to be on larger drive. >> What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? > > dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive ? > Then gparted to expand partition size on newdrive if necessary. I guess that depends on whether you prefer to have them all proportionally expanded, or have them all remain the same size and have some extra partitions. Of course, if you go for "one partition covers the whole disk" you probably would go for proportional expansion. Obviously that's easier, which is what you asked. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 SAGITTARIUS: All your friends are laughing behind your back... kill them. Take down all those naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine you've got hanging in your den. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp8.knology.net with ESMTPA; 28 Aug 2006 20:05:00 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1156795497.19495.185.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:04:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.407, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.41, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 15:30, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: > > >> Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. > >> (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) > >> > >> It needs to be on larger drive. > >> What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? > > > > dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive ? > > Then gparted to expand partition size on newdrive if necessary. > > I guess that depends on whether you prefer to have them all proportionally > expanded, or have them all remain the same size and have some extra > partitions. I think that's what I have. I have never used gparted. > Of course, if you go for "one partition covers the whole disk" > you probably would go for proportional expansion. Obviously that's easier, > which is what you asked. This is what I have is a 1.8 Gig disk. /dev/hda2 1881684 1721340 64760 97% / /dev/hda1 101086 8492 87375 9% /boot none 225388 0 225388 0% /dev/shm Of course I need /dev/hda2 to be most of the disk. (shoulda thought to post this before) -- JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 16:48:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SKmuwE019765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:48:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SKmuQg019764 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:48:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SKmt6L019760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:48:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SKmtCk020801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:48:55 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SKmiBS025191 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:48:44 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4Q00BO473I4GR6@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:47:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone In-reply-to: <1156795497.19495.185.camel@biostar.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> <1156795497.19495.185.camel@biostar.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.436, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.44, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, John Brown wrote: > On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 15:30, Eben King wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> >>>> Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. >>>> (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) >>>> >>>> It needs to be on larger drive. >>>> What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? >>> >>> dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive ? >>> Then gparted to expand partition size on newdrive if necessary. >> >> I guess that depends on whether you prefer to have them all proportionally >> expanded, or have them all remain the same size and have some extra >> partitions. > > I think that's what I have. I have never used gparted. I was referring to which method you use, and what kind of transformation you get. >> Of course, if you go for "one partition covers the whole disk" >> you probably would go for proportional expansion. Obviously that's easier, >> which is what you asked. > > This is what I have is a 1.8 Gig disk. > > /dev/hda2 1881684 1721340 64760 97% / > /dev/hda1 101086 8492 87375 9% /boot > none 225388 0 225388 0% /dev/shm > > Of course I need /dev/hda2 to be most of the disk. > (shoulda thought to post this before) But /dev/hda1 to remain about the same size, yes? What I'd do is partition the new disk with about the same partitions as the old disk, dd the old partitions into their new homes, then use gparted to expand /dev/hda2's new home to fill the disk. If you can dd the whole disk and have it work, all the better, because then you can skip the partitioning step. Anybody done this? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 When we've nuked the world to a cinder, the cockroaches picking over the remains will be crawling over the remaining artifacts and wondering what "PC LOAD LETTER" means. -- PC / ASR ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Aug 28 17:58:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SLwral020328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:58:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7SLwrdb020327 for slug-track29; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:58:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SLwr3O020323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:58:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SLwrOr023563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:58:53 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7SLwWNv014014 for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:58:32 -0400 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.100.92.142]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4Q00KZCADBCR97@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:58:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 17:58:22 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox cookies In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608281758.22372.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: KMail/1.8 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.649, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 28 August 2006 01:13, Eben King wrote: > So I'm trying to log in to eBay using Firefox. It let me buy something, > but on returning from Paypal, it asked for my password again, and wouldi't > accept it. No rejection message, it just loops back to the username / > password screen. It acts like I've set some cookie to "deny" when it > shouldn't be. But how do I find out which one? How do I see what it's > trying to do? I had a similar problem trying to log on to eBay using Konqueror. It kept looping back when it asked for username/password before making a bid. I tried Opera and it worked fine so I didn't look further into the what was going on. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 03:40:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7T7e5S0025138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:40:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7T7e5II025137 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:40:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7T7e3JN025129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:40:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7T7e2tr021748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:40:03 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.97]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7T7dkOQ022519 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:39:46 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.94]) by bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:39:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:39:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net, william@yetrs.ath.cx, jamlight@hotmail.com Subject: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:39:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2006 07:39:45.0834 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C7D78A0:01C6CB3E] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.214, required 6, AWL -1.54, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tonight (Tuesday, 29 August) will be another SFD planning meeting at 7 p.m. in #slug.fl on irc.freenode.net. Help us plan the actual exhibits at MOSI & Mirta's: What will we present? What will be handed out? What materials do we have or need? How will we hold the public's attention? And most importantly, what can you do to help make SFD a success? There will also be a brief follow-up on our promotional efforts. As always, more information is available on the SFD wiki: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 08:06:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TC6t7k027500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:06:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TC6tHf027499 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:06:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TC6t27027495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:06:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TC6Wdu006342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:06:49 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TC4QdR023281 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:04:26 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:04:22 -0600 Message-Id: <44F3F4FF.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:04:16 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.188, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.19, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 3:39 AM, in message , "Sick Twist" wrote: > Tonight (Tuesday, 29 August) will be another SFD planning meeting at 7 p.m. > in #slug.fl on irc.freenode.net. Help us plan the actual exhibits at MOSI & > Mirta's: What will we present? What will be handed out? What materials do we > > have or need? How will we hold the public's attention? And most importantly, > > what can you do to help make SFD a success? There will also be a brief > follow- up on our promotional efforts. As always, more information is > available on the SFD wiki: > > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa > > Jonathon I doubt I can make the IRC meeting, but want to pose the question...With the package that Novell is sending, what else do you need from Novell for the area's participation in this event? JP JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 09:19:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDJMtw028127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:19:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TDJMdQ028126 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:19:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDJLPt028122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:19:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDJLEG010828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:19:21 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDJ5Vu020838 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:19:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.122] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7TDJ3VO003395 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Scripting Question From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:19:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.065, required 6, AWL -0.49, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello fellow sluggers! I have a scripting question. I want to create a script that will create symbolic links to a directory structure in another folder. for example: I have a whole bunch of folders and php files in a directory called /var/codebase I want to create a script the will copy the directory structure to /home/something/public_html/ and create symlinks to the files in the first directory. so my questions: 1. What would be the best language? Perl perhaps? 2. Is this possible? if so how? Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 09:53:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDrdrg028351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:53:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TDrdnh028350 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:53:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDrcOo028346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:53:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDrcu2012382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:53:38 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TDrGPu007467 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:53:17 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.166]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4R00KMFIJYCWR8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:52:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:52:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Scripting Question In-reply-to: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.458, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.46, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Russ Wright wrote: > Hello fellow sluggers! > > I have a scripting question. I want to create a script that will create > symbolic links to a directory structure in another folder. for example: > I have a whole bunch of folders and php files in a directory > called /var/codebase I want to create a script the will copy the > directory structure to /home/something/public_html/ and create symlinks > to the files in the first directory. > > so my questions: > > 1. What would be the best language? Perl perhaps? > > 2. Is this possible? if so how? Can you assume that the files in /home/something/public_html/ have no spaces or other nasty characters? Probably not, but if so it's easy: for file in `find /home/something/public_html/` ; do ln -s $file /var/codebase/$file done If you want to trim off stuff from the beginning of $file bash's ${foo#bar} construct comes in handy. If $file might contain special chars, it gets more complicated. find /home/something/public_html/ | while read file ; do ln -s "$file" "/var/codebase/$file" done maybe? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 10:02:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TE2pDD028480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:02:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TE2pR7028479 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:02:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TE2pAL028475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:02:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TE2oDi013038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:02:50 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TE2WXg023555 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:02:33 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so615543wra for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:02:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=C9n6Jy2Q9srYjZspmrMT1wkhwyyl/hYTwui2QOWFdWgV/t6ZLoPoPYFDV05tpxwNkTtKvwLH+Wo5rxXhSu4/LnhoBn1gcv1LNktOUOBa98Syj7oxifAF1u/Ncr6F4WY2bmXUnRzw6X2XQVIYBygch6kQaVoLpSOpTMX8rDnmfRI= Received: by 10.90.78.16 with SMTP id a16mr1519958agb; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608290702l70fc0e4jfd0ece670115a8d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:02:29 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Freenigma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.827, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.83, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There's an interesting little firefox extension that provides GPG encryption (but apparently not yet signing) of messages in common webmail clients such as gmail, yahoo mail, and hotmail. Ironically, it's made by a german company. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 10:27:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TERGux028709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:27:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TERG1G028708 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:27:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TERFJJ028704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:27:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TERF3x014204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:27:15 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TEQqxe028306 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:26:52 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so482325wra for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SbeWJK1U81Vw46ABBx1u9rokYlxFKLWyKf6fYhNwkpngQhKgfGzZ4QBTR0NiVA1LsCvtkuS0iTY4iThbWl48aleirmxhob/hKBc4Y0ZdaDLHAae7c+C1ZFNjzLoOOFbcWqZve5arDSrB4RuBQPsfoT6Zd33r9PBtDgIcVPfpOB0= Received: by 10.90.117.15 with SMTP id p15mr1563272agc; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608290726i6abcb2ccp32166f42419d6e78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:26:44 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Scripting Question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.012, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.01) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Wouldn't the same end be accomplished by `ln -s /var/codebase /home/whatever/public_html` ? Or why not just put the contents of /var/codebase under version control (cvs, svn, ...) and check out a copy at /home/whatever/public_html ? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 11:38:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TFcTNo029258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:38:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TFcTXg029257 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:38:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TFcT67029253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:38:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TFcSMg017278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:38:28 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.101]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TFY2Vn002547 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:34:03 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.107]) by bay0-omc1-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:34:02 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 08:33:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.7 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:33:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <44F3F4FF.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:33:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Aug 2006 15:33:59.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C604690:01C6CB80] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.45, required 6, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "John Pugh" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:04:16 -0600 > >I doubt I can make the IRC meeting, but want to pose the >question...With the package that Novell is sending, what else do you >need from Novell for the area's participation in this event? > >JP I can't think of anything more. However, I will bring your question up at the meeting tonight and let you know if any requests arise. For those who are not aware, Novell has agreed to send 140 CDs, 10 T-shirts and some other goodies our way. Kudos to Novell! Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 12:42:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGgqmL029794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TGgqhR029793 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGgpQV029789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGgp8X021253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:51 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGgiiY011499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:45 -0400 Received: from pool-71-99-144-34.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.99.144.34] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GI6fj-0000ZM-7u for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:43 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4381256BE0 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44F46E80.8050806@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:42:40 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.743, required 6, AWL -1.41, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sick Twist wrote: > For those who are not aware, Novell has agreed to send 140 CDs, 10 > T-shirts and some other goodies our way. Kudos to Novell! > > Jonathon > Seconded. Novell is one of the few vendors at this point willing to do this type of thing, and their help is deeply appreciated. (Thanks, John.) -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 12:54:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGsCHs029879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:54:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TGsCOT029878 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:54:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGsCUH029874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:54:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGsCUi021847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:54:12 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TGs1v6012759 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:54:02 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so543774wra for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:54:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EXCN9HTRp2dZ4R0mSIFHd5KqSyWYYulQO0nyNM1qZXpGTK6UzyHYv7xIq3G6bbXLJeHctdh8EUAdtgx//FMhUB54EnCuNa6ihAo4xxEVSE3cvArUojOLnkAGaKyQtzJU17a8Pegbhf+GNjBCLhrgWe1U5TcmLmFQfsWDuBl1Utc= Received: by 10.90.120.13 with SMTP id s13mr1792234agc; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608290954x555d5f37q1e9f6a87ca60cd5a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:54:00 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <44F46E80.8050806@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <44F46E80.8050806@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.805, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.81, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > For those who are not aware, Novell has agreed to send 140 CDs, 10 > > T-shirts and some other goodies our way. Kudos to Novell! > > Seconded. Novell is one of the few vendors at this point willing to do > this type of thing, and their help is deeply appreciated. (Thanks, John.) Thirded! -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 17:13:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TLDKqW032051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:13:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TLDKst032050 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:13:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TLDKFO032046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:13:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TLDK2b004121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:13:20 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TLCimw019572 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:12:45 -0400 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([71.101.98.158]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4S00DLW2X4BVR8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:12:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:12:38 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200608291712.39015.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Organization: Joe-Di Enterprises MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.156, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 29 August 2006 11:33 am, Sick Twist wrote: > >From: "John Pugh" > >Reply-To: slug@nks.net > >To: > >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC Meeting Tonight > >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:04:16 -0600 > > > >I doubt I can make the IRC meeting, but want to pose the > >question...With the package that Novell is sending, what else do you > >need from Novell for the area's participation in this event? > > > >JP > > I can't think of anything more. However, I will bring your question up at > the meeting tonight and let you know if any requests arise. > > For those who are not aware, Novell has agreed to send 140 CDs, 10 T-shirts > and some other goodies our way. Kudos to Novell! > The package arrived today Thank You Novell!! (Fedora sent 20) -- Joe Brandt 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 18:10:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TMAqhI032550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TMAqnx032549 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TMApe4032545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TMApkG007185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:51 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TMAam4032767 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:41 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7TMAZcp005900 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=jasonbox.dyndns.org) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GIBn1-0006dl-6t for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:35 -0400 Received: from 216.134.200.78 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jasonb) by nebula.internal.foo with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57918.216.134.200.78.1156889435.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Ruby / Rails Meetup, Mon Sept 11 From: "Jason Boxman" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.123, required 6, AWL -0.68, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ordinarily, I don't care for Web programming. But I like Ruby and I like Rails. Those of us that enjoy Ruby and Rails have been present at Tampa Ruby Meetup. You may find you like Ruby, too. http://ruby.meetup.com/73/?gj=sj5 If you see a pony, tell it I said 'hi'. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 19:07:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TN78tF000577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:07:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7TN78pT000576 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:07:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TN78ON000572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:07:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TN6rXT010200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:07:08 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7TN6kH1007988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:06:47 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GICfK-0005o8-LQ for slug@nks.net; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:06:42 -0400 Subject: [OT] Re: [SLUG] Ruby / Rails Meetup, Mon Sept 11 From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <57918.216.134.200.78.1156889435.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> References: <57918.216.134.200.78.1156889435.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-D2GHwUZx92MBlRQL+S+A" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:05:12 -0400 Message-Id: <1156892712.27432.10.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.289, required 6, AWL -0.53, BAYES_40 -0.18, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-D2GHwUZx92MBlRQL+S+A Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 18:10 -0400, Jason Boxman wrote: >=20 > If you see a pony, tell it I said 'hi'. >=20 I'm sorry Jason, but your girlfriend Leeta told me to remind you of this: http://tinyurl.com/ms4yy Logan --=20 Mynd you, mse bites Kan be pretty nasti. -- Monty Python Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-D2GHwUZx92MBlRQL+S+A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBE9Mgo3OecGqSbkyMRAk39AJsF/WNIIL1zLkauPx60v3natVXrVQCgod2m witfMRDmBMGE+XbODfIT+yo= =U2X0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-D2GHwUZx92MBlRQL+S+A-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Aug 29 21:41:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U1f9b4001822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7U1f9w2001821 for slug-track29; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U1f9Uq001817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U1f9Bd017187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:09 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.222]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U1erLi013995 for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:40:53 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.51.34]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:40:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:40:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:40:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.7] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Sick Twist" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC meeting notes Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:40:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Aug 2006 01:40:52.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[53E2E890:01C6CBD5] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.337, required 6, AWL -3.42, BAYES_60 1.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Tonight's SFD IRC meeting began with a few updates about promotional work accomplished during the past week: 5 Hillsborough County libraries (West Gate, Jimmie B. Keel, Temple Terrace, John F. Germany & Seminole Heights) have been supplied with flyers, Craigslist now has our events listed, and at least one local reporter (Suzanne Schmidt of The Loop, Temple Terrace community news) is doing a story on our plans for SFD. Additional help with promotion is always welcome so if you can assist in spreading the word about our plans for SFD please do. After that, the meeting discussion shifted to plans for the SFD exhibits at MOSI and Mirta's. Our focus will be promoting Free Software, (not necessarily Linux), by showcasing its advantages, availability, and ease of use. We will do this by presenting a slide show that illustrates the many ways Free Software liberates PC users, handing out CDs, and allowing event attendees to get first hand experience with some powerful and polished pieces of Free Software (Firefox, OpenOffice.org, a Linux Desktop with Xgl, etc). We plan on having Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu, and TheOpenCD available for event attendees. There are 140 Suse CDs, 12 Fedora and about 250 of TheOpenCD. Not sure about Ubuntu yet. Any donations of additional Free Software would be appreciated. There will be PCs at both MOSI and Mirta's to demonstrate some of the Free Software that is being distributed. This will keep visitors interested (much more exciting to see Firefox ad-blocking in action than just to hear someone talk about it). At this point, we have a small number of demo machines available so if you have any working desktops/laptops/mice/monitors/keyboards/powerstrips that you can lend to either exhibit please let me know. Both exhibit locations have wireless Internet access available so we will need a wireless bridge or a Linux box running as a wireless bridge in order to get the demo PCs with wired NICs on the Internet. If you have access to a wireless bridge or have the knowledge to set up a Linux box to do this please get in touch. The next SFD IRC meeting will be next Tuesday, September 5 at 7 p.m. in #slug.fl on irc.freenode.net and will be for all the volunteers who plan on running the exhibits at MOSI and Mirta's. We will discuss what is to be expected on SFD and try to determine how many volunteers will be at each location. And of course, I have to mention the wiki: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 00:41:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U4fSh7003309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7U4fSSP003308 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U4fRJi003304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U4fRR8028047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:27 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7U4fDAr021668 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:13 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id p77so56608nfc for ; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qk5YLtYLaO3kwqMGS2NyWzZdrMbQyyULhf9N4w89cEWbj5G8ytK8TAkd/3Wv+Uo5yb807wbBAnMurrVz008pdIzkoJHs4rubOVsqBSQ8DoQIld8MfqfW4H640+7QGXhdOsJEulJU34BldIA91tEqIeZAFotp/yZ9yzu1QzA1N4s= Received: by 10.49.41.18 with SMTP id t18mr2171508nfj; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.13 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:41:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <255f52a0608292141o246250b9t6c6cf370110429f4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 00:41:12 -0400 From: Possum To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Software Freedom Day IRC meeting notes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.548, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.19, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net For those of you interested, there is a 462 line full log of the meeting at http://possum.kicks-ass.org/SFDLog On 8/29/06, Sick Twist wrote: > Tonight's SFD IRC meeting began with a few updates about promotional work > accomplished during the past week: 5 Hillsborough County libraries (West > Gate, Jimmie B. Keel, Temple Terrace, John F. Germany & Seminole Heights) > have been supplied with flyers, Craigslist now has our events listed, and at > least one local reporter (Suzanne Schmidt of The Loop, Temple Terrace > community news) is doing a story on our plans for SFD. Additional help with > promotion is always welcome so if you can assist in spreading the word about > our plans for SFD please do. > > After that, the meeting discussion shifted to plans for the SFD exhibits at > MOSI and Mirta's. Our focus will be promoting Free Software, (not > necessarily Linux), by showcasing its advantages, availability, and ease of > use. We will do this by presenting a slide show that illustrates the many > ways Free Software liberates PC users, handing out CDs, and allowing event > attendees to get first hand experience with some powerful and polished > pieces of Free Software (Firefox, OpenOffice.org, a Linux Desktop with Xgl, > etc). > > We plan on having Fedora, Suse, Ubuntu, and TheOpenCD available for event > attendees. There are 140 Suse CDs, 12 Fedora and about 250 of TheOpenCD. Not > sure about Ubuntu yet. Any donations of additional Free Software would be > appreciated. > > There will be PCs at both MOSI and Mirta's to demonstrate some of the Free > Software that is being distributed. This will keep visitors interested (much > more exciting to see Firefox ad-blocking in action than just to hear someone > talk about it). At this point, we have a small number of demo machines > available so if you have any working > desktops/laptops/mice/monitors/keyboards/powerstrips that you can lend to > either exhibit please let me know. > > Both exhibit locations have wireless Internet access available so we will > need a wireless bridge or a Linux box running as a wireless bridge in order > to get the demo PCs with wired NICs on the Internet. If you have access to a > wireless bridge or have the knowledge to set up a Linux box to do this > please get in touch. > > The next SFD IRC meeting will be next Tuesday, September 5 at 7 p.m. in > #slug.fl on irc.freenode.net and will be for all the volunteers who plan on > running the exhibits at MOSI and Mirta's. We will discuss what is to be > expected on SFD and try to determine how many volunteers will be at each > location. And of course, I have to mention the wiki: > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/teams/america/USA/FL/Tampa > > Jonathon > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 07:40:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UBeVKB006957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UBeVcA006956 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UBeU4F006952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UBeUL4020425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:30 -0400 Received: from swampfox.owlriver.com (swampfox.owlriver.com [66.195.224.113]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UBe6Mm017027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swampfox.owlriver.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k7UBe6Rp016655 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: R P Herrold To: SLUG Subject: But I NEED a pony -- was: Re: [SLUG] Ruby / Rails Meetup, Mon Sept 11 In-Reply-To: <1156892712.27432.10.camel@cthulhu> Message-ID: References: <57918.216.134.200.78.1156889435.squirrel@nebula.internal.foo> <1156892712.27432.10.camel@cthulhu> X-M: Go Blue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (swampfox.owlriver.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:40:06 -0400 (EDT) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 18:10 -0400, Jason Boxman wrote: >> If you see a pony, tell it I said 'hi'. > > I'm sorry Jason, but your girlfriend Leeta told me to remind you of > this: > http://tinyurl.com/ms4yy (chuckle) -- that reply line comes (along with from other places) from a running joke thread in the #centos IRC channel on irc.freenode.net -- then the channel op 'orc_orc' asks for a pony, a 'bot' written by one of the other channel op's replies with that URL some of the time. The bot is getting better over time, and is really a lead in to a channel specific bot to offer FAQ replies -- Russ Herrold ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 08:29:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UCT20D007378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:29:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UCT2GB007377 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:29:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UCT2Od007373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:29:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UCT1lC023632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:29:02 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UCSjh2007789 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:28:45 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF0C352A5 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44F58477.7000501@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:28:39 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.682, required 6, AWL -0.32, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: >> Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. >> (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) >> >> It needs to be on larger drive. >> What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? > > > dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive ? > Then gparted to expand partition size on newdrive if necessary. > Why not use partimage (ghost\drive image clone)? DD copies free blocks and is not very user friendly. download a copy of SystemRescueCD @ http://www.sysresccd.org/ there is a nice bootable ISO that has tons of tools like Qparted (http://www.sysresccd.org/System-tools) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp3.knology.net with ESMTPA; 30 Aug 2006 13:03:21 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Drive Clone From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <44F58477.7000501@mathey.org> References: <620c90570608250710n2825bbagff4c41b84d2861df@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608250945j3e2be408ub0416973570bc5f@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608250952k15791a09peabb433bd2a7bc85@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608251310q7fd7f949j30509edbafac716a@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310608251342p4af33f9boeb23f01a3e3a2656@mail.gmail.com> <620c90570608280557h21690e5ak346399f6f6fff34f@mail.gmail.com> <255f52a0608280829l4956281fpea7c9407bce9c76c@mail.gmail.com> <1156788595.19495.172.camel@biostar.com> <1a3a3e310608281147h1ea3fa4cp272c0f80b3821ad2@mail.gmail.com> <44F58477.7000501@mathey.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1156942999.25894.236.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:03:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 08:28, Chris Mathey wrote: > Levi Bard wrote: > >> Got a 1.8 Gig drive with CentOS and Asterisk installed. > >> (accidentally grabbed the wrong drive) > >> > >> It needs to be on larger drive. > >> What's the SIMPLEST way to do that? > > > > > > dd if=/dev/olddrive of=/dev/newdrive ? > > Then gparted to expand partition size on newdrive if necessary. > > > Why not use partimage (ghost\drive image clone)? DD copies free blocks > and is not very user friendly. > download a copy of SystemRescueCD @ http://www.sysresccd.org/ > there is a nice bootable ISO that has tons of tools like Qparted > (http://www.sysresccd.org/System-tools) I had a system-rescue CD but an older version that isn't as robust and didn't have the ghost clone. Good Find. I eventually just installed fresh to the new HD but restored Trixbox/Asterisk settings by backing up MySQL. Then after the install was complete, I wiped out the databases and restored with the backup SQL file. Worked fine. Probably a slower method than copy over the HD data but the customer seems happier that he has a fresh install and everything works. Now to write him a manual for the next time... ;) Thanks sluggers -- JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 11:12:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UFCxmJ008722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:12:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UFCxnM008721 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:12:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UFCw0M008717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:12:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UFCwsL031037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:12:58 -0400 Received: from saga.hardison.net (saga.hardison.net [207.210.106.197]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UFCnkr018344 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:12:49 -0400 Received: from dt0b1n40.tampabay.res.rr.com ([24.92.27.64] helo=titania.hardison.net) by saga.hardison.net with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1GIRUg-00024K-Pa for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:56:43 -0400 Received: from dylan by titania.hardison.net with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GIRUf-0005qD-TL for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:56:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:56:41 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Scripting Question Message-ID: <20060830145641.GA22394@hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Reply-By: Sun Aug 27 10:53:22 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: titania X-Uptime: 10:53:22 up 73 days, 4:45, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.878, required 6, AWL -1.36, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, SPF_HELO_SOFTFAIL 2.43, SPF_SOFTFAIL 1.38, TW_MK 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Spake Russ Wright on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 at 09:19AM -0400: > Hello fellow sluggers! > > I have a scripting question. I want to create a script that will create > symbolic links to a directory structure in another folder. for example: > I have a whole bunch of folders and php files in a directory > called /var/codebase I want to create a script the will copy the > directory structure to /home/something/public_html/ and create symlinks > to the files in the first directory. > > so my questions: > > 1. What would be the best language? Perl perhaps? > > 2. Is this possible? if so how? > > Regards > Russ > I already have such a script, attached. usage: linkdir from to e.g. linkdir /var/codebase /home/something/public_html Oh, and I am currently rewriting this script, as it's a hack, and very ugly. But this version works. :-) -- "Rise up this morning, smile with the rising sun. Three little birds, sits by my doorstep. Singing sweet songs, of melodies pure and true." -- Bob Marley, "Three Little Birds" (song) - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=linkdir #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use File::Find; use File::Spec; use Getopt::Long qw(:config gnu_getopt); my %Option = ( 'exclude' => [], 'symlink' => 1, dot => 0, here => '', 'exclude-not-here' => 0, ); GetOptions(\%Option, 'exclude|X=s@', 'symlink|s!', 'dot|d', 'here|H=s', 'exclude-not-here', ); if (@ARGV != 2) { print "Usage: [options] fromdir todir\n"; exit 1; } my ($From, $To) = @ARGV; my $AbsFrom = File::Spec->rel2abs($From); my $FromPattern = quotemeta($From); my @Exclude = map(qr/$_/, @{ $Option{exclude} }); $To =~ s/\/?$//; find({ follow => 0, no_chdir => 1, wanted => \&wanted, }, $From); sub wanted { return if /\.svn/; return if $_ eq $AbsFrom; for my $x (@Exclude) { if ($_ =~ $x) { return; } } s/^$FromPattern\/*//; my $from = $_; my $to = $from; if ($Option{dot}) { $to = ".$to"; } if (my $here = $Option{here}) { $here = quotemeta($here); unless ($to =~ s/\@$here$//) { if ($Option{'exclude-not-here'} and $to =~ /\@\w+$/) { print "Excluding-not-here: $to\n"; return; } } } if (-d "$From/$from") { unless (-d "$To/$to") { print "mkdir($To/$to)\n"; mkdir("$To/$to") or die "mkdir($To/$to): $!"; } } elsif (not -e "$To/$to") { if (-l "$To/$to") { if (readlink("$To/$to") ne "$AbsFrom/$from") { warn "Removing stale $to\n"; unlink("$To/$to"); } else { print "nada\n"; return; } } mklink("$AbsFrom/$from", "$To/$to"); } } sub mklink { my ($from, $to) = @_; my $phrom = File::Spec->abs2rel($from); print "$phrom -> $to\n"; if ($Option{symlink}) { symlink($from, $to) or die "symlink($from, $to): $!"; } else { link($from, $to) or die "link($from, $to): $!"; } } --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 14:38:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UIc6t0010433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:38:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UIc6ac010432 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:38:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UIc69p010428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:38:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UIc5rU009234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:38:05 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UIbp9u014023 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:37:51 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB0E185614 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:37:50 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Flash V9 for Linux Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:41:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608301441.45460.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.585, required 6, AWL -1.42, BAYES_60 1.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As some of you must have already noted Adobe is working on getting the Linux version of Flash available. Basically they decided to skip V8 for Linux as they felt it was too close to the next version (V9). But there has been ongoing work for some time now. They estimate it will be done by early 2007... At least it will become available. You can see the article here: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Stewart/?p=96 -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 15:10:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJASP8010706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UJASdu010705 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJASR4010701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJARC4010810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:27 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJA9Ug017672 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.122] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7UJA8sD004032 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Scripting Question From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20060830145641.GA22394@hardison.net> References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060830145641.GA22394@hardison.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:08 -0400 Message-Id: <1156965008.2260.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.165, required 6, AWL -0.20, BAYES_40 -0.18, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 2006-08-30 at 10:56 -0400, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > I already have such a script, attached. > usage: linkdir from to > > e.g. linkdir /var/codebase /home/something/public_html > > Oh, and I am currently rewriting this script, as it's a hack, and very > ugly. But this version works. :-) > Dylan Thanks for the script I'll try it out and see if it works. Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 15:11:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJB9Mk010722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:11:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UJB9xi010721 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:11:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJB8DK010717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:11:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJB80m010868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:11:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJAn6V002857 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.122] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7UJAlLa028519 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Scripting Question From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:10:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1156965047.2260.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.842, required 6, AWL -1.71, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 09:52 -0400, Eben King wrote: > Can you assume that the files in /home/something/public_html/ have no spaces > or other nasty characters? Probably not, but if so it's easy: > > for file in `find /home/something/public_html/` ; do > ln -s $file /var/codebase/$file > done > > If you want to trim off stuff from the beginning of $file bash's ${foo#bar} > construct comes in handy. > > If $file might contain special chars, it gets more complicated. > > find /home/something/public_html/ | while read file ; do > ln -s "$file" "/var/codebase/$file" > done > > maybe? > Eben I'll give this a try and let you know. Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 15:13:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJDIHw010744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UJDIq6010743 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJDHt9010739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJDHjg010948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:17 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJD9dP018016 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.122] (82-167.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.126.167.82]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7UJD8lW000618 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Scripting Question From: Russ Wright To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:13:08 -0400 Message-Id: <1156965188.2260.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 (2.6.2-1.fc5.5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.359, required 6, AWL -0.19, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, nks_dynamic_recv 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 09:19 -0400, Russ Wright wrote: > Hello fellow sluggers! > > I have a scripting question. I want to create a script that will create > symbolic links to a directory structure in another folder. for example: > I have a whole bunch of folders and php files in a directory > called /var/codebase I want to create a script the will copy the > directory structure to /home/something/public_html/ and create symlinks > to the files in the first directory. > > so my questions: > > 1. What would be the best language? Perl perhaps? > > 2. Is this possible? if so how? > > Regards > Russ Just some more information. I was trying not to muddy the water so here is some more facts. My idea here is to take a copy of the joomla cms code base that I have modified and use it as a single source for several websites. So one copy of the code that I can change/update instead of 20 copies of the code all different. I'm trying to prevent a maintenance nightmare. Regards Russ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Aug 30 15:30:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJUoOq010929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:30:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7UJUop9010928 for slug-track29; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:30:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJUnaI010924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:30:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJUn3X011764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:30:49 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7UJURp5004745 for ; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:30:27 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.197.197]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4T00C7YSTSM786@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:29:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:30:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Scripting Question In-reply-to: <1156965047.2260.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1156965047.2260.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.127, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.13, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Russ Wright wrote: > On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 09:52 -0400, Eben King wrote: > >> Can you assume that the files in /home/something/public_html/ have no spaces >> or other nasty characters? Probably not, but if so it's easy: >> >> for file in `find /home/something/public_html/` ; do >> ln -s $file /var/codebase/$file >> done >> >> If you want to trim off stuff from the beginning of $file bash's ${foo#bar} >> construct comes in handy. >> >> If $file might contain special chars, it gets more complicated. >> >> find /home/something/public_html/ | while read file ; do >> ln -s "$file" "/var/codebase/$file" >> done >> >> maybe? > > I'll give this a try and let you know. It might have "unexpected characteristics" with your data. I'd replace the "ln" with an "echo ln" until you're sure it does what you want. Maybe pipe the whole thing throgh "less" so you have time to read it too. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 When we've nuked the world to a cinder, the cockroaches picking over the remains will be crawling over the remaining artifacts and wondering what "PC LOAD LETTER" means. -- PC / ASR ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 31 08:50:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VCoJ4F019581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:50:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7VCoJN5019580 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:50:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VCoJuj019576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:50:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VCoImV005147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:50:18 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VCo8F1020862 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:50:10 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac via SMTP (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.7.6)); Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:50:07 -0400 Message-ID: <44F6DA7E.6050007@acpdata.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:47:58 -0400 From: Todd User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (X11/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Partition Space References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1156965047.2260.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: Todd@acpdata.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Unfortunally, in a hast to install Linux, I used an extended partition instead of LVM to do an install. After a couple of months my / partition is filling up. I have added extra space but is there a good way to convert the extended partition to LVM or increase the partition size of the / partition with out losing everything? Thanks to all, ../Todd --------------------------------------------- Direct - Todd at acpdata dot com Questions regarding home financing, mortgages, or HELOCS - JoAnne at PFGlends dot com. --------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 31 09:47:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VDlfOD020052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:47:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7VDlfUb020051 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:47:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VDleOc020047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:47:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VDleCD007916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:47:40 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VDlAAo023358 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:47:11 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.64.197.197]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J4V00M227LX2FH0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:46:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:46:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition Space In-reply-to: <44F6DA7E.6050007@acpdata.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1156965047.2260.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44F6DA7E.6050007@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.676, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.43, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Todd wrote: > Unfortunally, in a hast to install Linux, I used an extended partition > instead of LVM to do an install. After a couple of months my / partition is > filling up. I have added extra space but is there a good way to convert the > extended partition to LVM or increase the partition size of the / partition > with out losing everything? You can sorta-kinda do it by having your other partition mounted automatically, say as /usr, whatever would be about the right size. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 31 10:14:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VEEiEq020294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:14:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7VEEi0d020293 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:14:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VEEiHu020289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:14:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VEEhC9009306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:14:44 -0400 Received: from randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-61.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.61]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VEEVre030730 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:14:32 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F5EAF26D for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition Space Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:18:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44F6DA7E.6050007@acpdata.com> In-Reply-To: <44F6DA7E.6050007@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200608311018.30851.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.068, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 2.07, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 31 August 2006 08:47, Todd wrote: > Unfortunally, in a hast to install Linux, I used an extended partition > instead of LVM to do an install. After a couple of months my / partition > is filling up. I have added extra space but is there a good way to > convert the extended partition to LVM or increase the partition size of > the / partition with out losing everything? > > Thanks to all, > > ../Todd Starting a new thread would be a start.:) Otherwise, you create a new partition and mount it as the directory which takes the most space. /usr is usually the biggest space eater. Mount the new partition as /usr and move all the files into it. Obviously you mount the new partition somewhere else, like under /mnt to move the data over, or you won't be able to recover the space. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 31 10:24:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VEO5WI020437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:24:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7VEO5I5020436 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:24:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VEO4uT020432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:24:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VEO4LH009822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:24:04 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.233]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VENlbc011086 for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:23:47 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i21so217892wra for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GkkG0xHaPObkefIFo9DWdc0PlIAbYC8j3iWX8rQs0vn0UA/wkUi+duKTLjs7hpdBq3CNcZQGG8jU14JTtrQkVfjlIevORrgEuT3oc5XnfI2IBdLaiyXs8S2uNxK3YovCJ76It2EuqudVHF98QC6ZW/siYipaov2jCUzwdWhDzoU= Received: by 10.90.55.19 with SMTP id d19mr149084aga; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310608310723t16ffd5adw5e6c03fe9b20ef29@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:23:46 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Partition Space In-Reply-To: <44F6DA7E.6050007@acpdata.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1156857543.2483.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1156965047.2260.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44F6DA7E.6050007@acpdata.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.925, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.93, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Unfortunally, in a hast to install Linux, I used an extended partition > instead of LVM to do an install. After a couple of months my / partition > is filling up. I have added extra space but is there a good way to > convert the extended partition to LVM or increase the partition size of > the / partition with out losing everything? Actually gparted will non-destructively resize partitions, provided you have the space to do so. http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/resize/resizing.htm -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Aug 31 14:07:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VI7U1C022197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:07:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k7VI7U05022196 for slug-track29; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:07:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VI7T5X022192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:07:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VI7TNM022159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:07:29 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k7VI7D51027164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:07:14 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:07:12 -0600 Message-Id: <44F6ED05.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:07:01 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: [SLUG] Miami Install fest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.649, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry to spam the list, but I wanted to bring this to your attention. Novell is sponsoring a Linux tour that is going to be in Miami on Thursday 14 September at the Hilton Miami Airport. After the "event", the Novell Southeast team is sponsoring a Install Fest from 1p-4p in the same location. We're providing some "starter kits" and will have help on site to get it installed. If you or anyone you know in the area are interested, please feel free to register here http://register.novell.com/simple/?event_id=18655&lcode=enu&CFID=1644426&CFTOKEN=93331866 We are also hosting events in Bethesda, MD, Charlotte, NC, Atlanta, GA, and Memphis, TN. I'd be happy to send out the details and/or ask Paul to post it to the website if you are interested. JP PS - if there is an interest in knowing what is going on in the Novell Southeast area, please let me know. We are involved in a number of events in the Orlando, Miami, and Tallahassee areas (Teradata Users Conf, FEADS, FGTC, Gartner ITXPO, etc). 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