From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 1 01:01:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9151Se2029064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9151SRN029063 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9151RMf029059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9151Rx1007053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:27 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k91514Le012610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:05 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50868 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GTtRn-0003j2-Vq for slug@nks.net; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:01:04 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6FA1456BEA; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net From: paulf@quillandmouse.com Subject: [SLUG] Mailing List Policies Message-Id: <20061001050101.6FA1456BEA@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.152, required 6, AWL -3.43, BAYES_95 3.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96, SARE_UNSUB31 0.46) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net MAILING LIST POLICIES ===================== Revised 2006-02-01 R3.0 ----------------------------------------------------- CONTENT WE ACCEPT (IN ORDER OF DECREASING BANDWIDTH): ----------------------------------------------------- 1) Technical (Linux or computer-related) questions and answers. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 1 02:12:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916CpqX029710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:12:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k916CoNq029709 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:12:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916Cov5029705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:12:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916Co2Q011314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:12:50 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916CewW026396 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:12:41 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061001061240.ZKSQ24246.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:12:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id UuCF1V00A4g4wUs0000000 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:12:15 -0400 Message-ID: <451EF9F3.50501@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:12:51 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] {SPAM?} Rumors of demise References: <20060913152010.GA30143@hardison.net> <45174BF3.2060604@washpat.com> In-Reply-To: <45174BF3.2060604@washpat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.701, required 6, AWL -1.74, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >> >> > My for my tardiness on this topic I was on my honeymoon. > Congrats on that! Marriage has been kind to my wife and me. I've been out for the week with a battle of temptation with Windon't Vista. Yes. I have met the demon known as M$ eye-to-eye, and have come out of it fine. More of that to follow. As I was saying, I pray that married life is as good to you as it has been to me (actually, I want that for everyone) and I hope (if only as much in vain) that you drank mead on your honeymoon from which its namesake is derived. More of that later as well, I'm sure... --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 1 02:20:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916KLKW029844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:20:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k916KLh4029843 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:20:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916KKeP029839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:20:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916KKEZ011772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:20:20 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k916JwDo017959 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:19:58 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061001061958.VWAT10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:19:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id UuKZ1V0054g4wUs0000000 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:19:33 -0400 Message-ID: <451EFBA8.8070505@cox.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:20:08 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] USB Keyboard References: <0J6500L3RJXCL0W8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <0J6500L3RJXCL0W8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.668, required 6, AWL -1.77, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Glidden wrote: > > I’m working on a POS > Point Of Service, or Piece Of S#*&? Well, my retail experience has taught me that the two are synonymous, but that not withstanding, the POS acronym has always raised the question in my mind... > > application, and I am trying to use a credit card reader that emulates > a USB keyboard. > > I know that the particular device works, because I can hook it up to a > windows machine and it’s fine. > > USB keyboard support is enabled in the system BIOS. > > When I boot Debian, I see that the device is recognized as a USB > keyboard from the following message: > > “input: USB HID v1.0 Keyboard [POSIFLEX INC. …..] on usb2:6.0”. > > I login to Debian, and issue the command “cat >/dev/null”. However, > when I swipe a credit card I get nothing. > > I expected to see the credit card data echoed on the terminal as if it > were typed. > > Do I need to do something with the kernel to enable the use of a USB > keyboard? > > Thanks, > > Bill Glidden > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 1 17:39:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k91LdFP4005034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:39:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k91LdFpS005033 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:39:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k91LdFmQ005029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:39:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k91LdFdQ013610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:39:15 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k91Lcp8g015092 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:38:51 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061001213850.HYVH10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:38:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id V9ei1V00S4g4wUs0000000 Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:38:42 -0400 Message-ID: <451FD306.6070800@cox.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:39:02 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Avasys Download Service for Linux References: <200609271922.38432.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200609271922.38432.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.22, required 6, AWL -1.22, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Smoot wrote: > http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_scan.html > > This site has official Epson Linux drivers for most Epson > products. On my R200 printer in SUSE 9.3 pro I can do > head cleans and nozzle checks in the KDE GUI. It is supposed to > do ink levels, but that isn't working right. > > Richard Smoot > > can you use Epson drivers to print on cds that way too? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 1 22:31:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k922Vwno007449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:31:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k922Vwrs007448 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:31:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k922VvGU007444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:31:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k922Vvgn001789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:31:57 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k922VfjA011446 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:31:42 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k922Vdt9017198 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:31:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Avasys Download Service for Linux Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:40:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200609271922.38432.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <451FD306.6070800@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <451FD306.6070800@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610012240.12755.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.616, required 6, AWL -1.98, BAYES_40 -0.18, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 01 October 2006 10:39, michael hast wrote: > Richard Smoot wrote: > > http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_scan.html > > > > This site has official Epson Linux drivers for most Epson > > products. On my R200 printer in SUSE 9.3 pro I can do > > head cleans and nozzle checks in the KDE GUI. It is supposed to > > do ink levels, but that isn't working right. > > > > Richard Smoot > > can you use Epson drivers to print on cds that way too? >I havn't tried to do that yet. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 1 23:04:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9234MWo007739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:04:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9234Mbj007738 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:04:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9234KX8007729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:04:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9234JhI003402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:04:20 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92343Fg027127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50595 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GUE67-0002hW-EW; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:04:03 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9670956BE8; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:04:00 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20061002030400.9670956BE8@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:04:00 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.865, required 6, AWL -1.29, BAYES_60 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 5 October 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 00:47:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k924lHxe008586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:47:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k924lHR7008585 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:47:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k924lG8w008581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:47:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k924lG4D012138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:47:16 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k924l0Yx010797 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:47:00 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6H008GLRXMKVW9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:46:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] New item for sale X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 01:31:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925Vudo008996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:31:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k925VuQe008995 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:31:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925Vu0Q008991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:31:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925Vt1c014740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:31:55 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925Vfeq014494 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:31:41 -0400 Received: from 182.sub-70-210-21.myvzw.com ([70.210.21.182]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6H0056CU0NTYV9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:31:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:32:31 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi Everybody! If I know how to drive a Chevy I may be able to drive a Ford. That said, highlighting a column of numbers and clicking the sigma does not add the column in OOcalc. I have spent an hour in the help and on the web. It seems no one calls this addition or no one cares to write about it or maybe it is a secret. What do I have to do, go to a Windows computer and use Excel? Does anyone know how to do this short of just using a calculator and typing the numbers in? Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 01:49:04 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925n3NC009129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:49:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k925n303009128 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:49:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925n3ED009124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:49:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925n2mB015393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:49:02 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k925mtNW006410 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 01:48:55 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6H00ANEUTE53K8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:48:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:48:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc In-reply-to: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.34, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Pete Theisen wrote: > Does anyone know how to do this short of just using a calculator and typing > the numbers in? =sum(A1:A5) doesn't do it for you? I never use the toolbar buttons... =sum(A:A) won't work though. Dunno how to do it for an indefinite range, except by adding cells inside the range to expand it. Not as easy as just typing or pasting, however. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 02:25:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k926PFN5009472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:25:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k926PF1R009471 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:25:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k926PFWk009467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:25:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k926PFc9017278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:25:15 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k926Ox2q025760 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:24:59 -0400 Received: from 182.sub-70-210-21.myvzw.com ([70.210.21.182]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6H00A6ZWHK50W8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:24:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:25:54 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610020225.55015.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.617, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.62, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 02 October 2006 01:48, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Pete Theisen wrote: > > Does anyone know how to do this short of just using a calculator and > > typing the numbers in? > > =sum(A1:A5) doesn't do it for you? I never use the toolbar buttons... Hi Eben! Well, yes, but on a big job that is a lot of typing. Using a computer is supposed to make it easy and fast, particularly on something people do all the time. I am looking for the thing to click that sums the highlighted column. If I highlight and click in OO it changes the highlighted values to 0s, not what I am looking for at all. What were they thinking? Were they thinking? This is version 2.0, by the way. Regards, Pete > > =sum(A:A) won't work though. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 03:08:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92783M7009828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:08:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k92782u1009827 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:08:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9278277009823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:08:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92782Iq019807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:08:02 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9277Nhm023542 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 03:07:23 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6H008PXYF3KJ1B@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:06:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc In-reply-to: <200610020225.55015.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200610020225.55015.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.402, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.40, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Monday 02 October 2006 01:48, Eben King wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Pete Theisen wrote: >>> Does anyone know how to do this short of just using a calculator and >>> typing the numbers in? >> >> =sum(A1:A5) doesn't do it for you? I never use the toolbar buttons... > > Well, yes, but on a big job that is a lot of typing. Using a computer is > supposed to make it easy and fast, particularly on something people do all > the time. > > I am looking for the thing to click that sums the highlighted column. Don't see that. How about hitting the button to insert "=SUM(xxx)" (not a literal "xxx", but some range of cells), then replacing "xxx" with the range you want? > If I highlight and click in OO it changes the highlighted values to 0s, I don't see that. Here, it replaces the active cell with "=SUM(A1)" with A1 highlighted. What I've done is, don't select a range, have the active cell be where you want the sum to go. Hit the button, it inserts the formula, then tweak the formula. > not what I am looking for at all. What were they thinking? Were they > thinking? This is version 2.0, by the way. It calls itself "OpenOffice.org 2.0", but then goes on to say its version is 1.9.129. Rounding up, I suppose. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 09:29:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92DT6P6013189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:29:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k92DT671013188 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:29:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92DT6oK013184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:29:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92DT5oF012830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:29:06 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92DSohk002595 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:28:51 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:28:45 -0600 Message-Id: <4520DBC4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:28:36 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: "SLUG Mailing List" Subject: Re: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc References: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.414, required 6, AWL -0.19, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2006 at 1:32 AM, in message <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net>, Pete Theisen wrote: > Hi Everybody! > > If I know how to drive a Chevy I may be able to drive a Ford. That said, > highlighting a column of numbers and clicking the sigma does not add the > column in OOcalc. > > I have spent an hour in the help and on the web. It seems no one calls this > addition or no one cares to write about it or maybe it is a secret. What do > I > have to do, go to a Windows computer and use Excel? > > Does anyone know how to do this short of just using a calculator and typing > the numbers in? > > Regards, > > Pete First...what version? In OO.o 2.02, just highlighting will show you the sum in the bottom right corner. No clicks necessary. If you want to put that sum in a cell, then highlight the cell, click on the "=" sign and highlight what you want to summate and press enter and you will have that sum in that cell. It's the same thing as with MS Excel. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 10:43:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92Ehlto013771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:43:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k92EhlKw013770 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:43:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92EhkeO013766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:43:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92EhkCk016372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:43:46 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k92EhZJ7001573 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:43:36 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so502646ugc for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dL3Q1o2mH8IxasIjdKO7EYA98oDfNyW7rxxwu3jfKZksXQnunlAic5ifdo+el7s3/nY8yJ0qeUBAUdm4Uhybk1UEDZ5vfe5io8KP6JJsE7sw9a2qc18QMd+ptOI5fJYF39Alm+TLDc6pF9/mjWh+rlwRQP5hBwLmtc7fMARUUbI= Received: by 10.78.150.7 with SMTP id x7mr1402598hud; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.180.5 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1d7397410610020743i599aee90u6d7b68104d0a232b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:43:33 -0400 From: "Danny Williams" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc In-Reply-To: <200610020225.55015.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> <200610020225.55015.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I am looking for the thing to click that sums the highlighted column. If I > highlight and click in OO it changes the highlighted values to 0s, not what I > am looking for at all. What were they thinking? Were they thinking? This is > version 2.0, by the way. Don't preselect anything, just put the cursor where you want the sum to appear. Hit Sigma button. It will guess what you want summed and show that with a blue box. You can adjust the box if it did not guess right. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 20:52:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930qffN018768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:52:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k930qf4f018767 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:52:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930qeB6018763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:52:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930qe0U018030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:52:40 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930qLAn014788 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:52:22 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.214.39]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6J00C2ABQZXZF1@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:52:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:53:11 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc In-reply-to: <1d7397410610020743i599aee90u6d7b68104d0a232b@mail.gmail.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610022053.11537.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> <200610020225.55015.petetheisen@verizon.net> <1d7397410610020743i599aee90u6d7b68104d0a232b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.649, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.65, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 02 October 2006 10:43, Danny Williams wrote: > > I am looking for the thing to click that sums the highlighted column. If > > I highlight and click in OO it changes the highlighted values to 0s, not > > what I am looking for at all. What were they thinking? Were they > > thinking? This is version 2.0, by the way. > > Don't preselect anything, just put the cursor where you want the sum > to appear. Hit Sigma button. It will guess what you want summed and > show that with a blue box. You can adjust the box if it did not guess > right. Hi Danny! Whoa! So it does. In Excel, you highlight, in OO you let it guess. Thanks. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 2 20:56:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930ubgI018801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:56:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k930ubJ8018800 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:56:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930uaIv018796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:56:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930uaoR018233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:56:36 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k930uFZm020794 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:56:15 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.214.39]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6J007MVBX1GMF1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:55:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:56:49 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] simple addition in OOcalc In-reply-to: <4520DBC4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610022056.49640.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net> <4520DBC4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.349, required 6, AWL -0.95, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 02 October 2006 09:28, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2006 at 1:32 AM, in message > > <200610020132.32761.petetheisen@verizon.net>, Pete Theisen > > wrote: > > Hi Everybody! > > > > If I know how to drive a Chevy I may be able to drive a Ford. That said, > > highlighting a column of numbers and clicking the sigma does not add the > > column in OOcalc. > > > > I have spent an hour in the help and on the web. It seems no one calls > > this addition or no one cares to write about it or maybe it is a secret. > > What do I > > have to do, go to a Windows computer and use Excel? > > > > Does anyone know how to do this short of just using a calculator and > > typing the numbers in? > > > > Regards, > > > > Pete > > First...what version? > In OO.o 2.02, just highlighting will show you the sum in the bottom right > corner. No clicks necessary. If you want to put that sum in a cell, then > highlight the cell, click on the "=" sign and highlight what you want to > summate and press enter and you will have that sum in that cell. It's the > same thing as with MS Excel. > > JP Hi John! Well, I have version 2.0 so mine works like Danny said. I will keep this note for when my techie guy upgrades me to 2.02. Thanks. 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We are pleased to inform= you of the result of Euro Millions, which was held on the 28th, August 200= 6.  Your e-mail address attached to e-ticket number: 05-32-44-45-50 (0= 1-07), with Prize Number (match 3): 106000007 drew a prize of 1,000,000.00 = (One Million Euros). This lucky draw came first in the 2nd Category of the = Sweepstake.

You will receive the sum of 1,000,000.00 (One Million Euros) from our au= thorized bank. Because of some mix-up with sweepstake prizes, including the= time limited placed on the payment of your prize: 1,000,000.00 Euros, we a= dvice that you keep all information about this prize confidential until you= r funds: 1,000,000.00 Euros have been transferred to you by our bank. = You must adhere to this instruction, strictly, to avoid any delay with the= release of your funds to your person.

This program has been abused severally in past, so we are doing our best= to forestall further occurrence of false claims.  This sweepstake was= conducted under the watchful eyes of 8,000 spectators. Your e-mail address= attached to e-ticket number 05-32-44-45-50 (01-07), was selected and; it c= ame out first by an e-ballot draw from over 250,000 e-mail addresses (perso= nal and corporate e-mail addresses).
 
This program is sponsored= by CFI to compensate faithful internet suffers around the globe. Congratul= ations for becoming one of the few lucky winners. With your permission, you= r e-mail will also be included in the next sweepstake of 5Million Euros.&nb= sp; You must claim y our prize: 1,000,000.00 Euros not later than 7 days fr= om the moment you receive this e-mail. In order to avoid unnecessary delays= with your claim from the bank; please contact them immediately, and quote = your winning and personal information now, and in all your correspondence w= ith the bank.
Here is the contact information:

Bank: Laagste Heypotheekofferte Bank. N.L.
Attention: Michael Garvin= .
Karspeldreef 6A, 1101 CJ, Amsterdam, Netherlands.
E-mail: laagstbank2006nl@aim.com
Teleph= one:  +31616 729 084.   
Fax    = ;       : (+3184) 735-9610.
 
Furn= ish them with the following:
(i). your name(s),
(ii) Your telephone a= nd fax numbers
(iii) Your contact address
(iv) Your winning informati= on (including amount won).
 Congratulations. Yours Faithfully
&n= bsp;Vjertis Von Adrian (Ms.) CPA.
Coordinator: Euro Millions.

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Euro Millions Lottery.
Hoge Wei 28, 2011 Zaventem,
Belgium.
Eur= o Millions are Affiliate of Belgium National (BNL).

Sir/Madam,

CONGRATULATIONS: YOU WON 1,000,000.00 EUROS.
We are pleased to inform= you of the result of Euro Millions, which was held on the 28th, August 200= 6.  Your e-mail address attached to e-ticket number: 05-32-44-45-50 (0= 1-07), with Prize Number (match 3): 106000007 drew a prize of 1,000,000.00 = (One Million Euros). This lucky draw came first in the 2nd Category of the = Sweepstake.

You will receive the sum of 1,000,000.00 (One Million Euros) from our au= thorized bank. Because of some mix-up with sweepstake prizes, including the= time limited placed on the payment of your prize: 1,000,000.00 Euros, we a= dvice that you keep all information about this prize confidential until you= r funds: 1,000,000.00 Euros have been transferred to you by our bank. = You must adhere to this instruction, strictly, to avoid any delay with the= release of your funds to your person.

This program has been abused severally in past, so we are doing our best= to forestall further occurrence of false claims.  This sweepstake was= conducted under the watchful eyes of 8,000 spectators. Your e-mail address= attached to e-ticket number 05-32-44-45-50 (01-07), was selected and; it c= ame out first by an e-ballot draw from over 250,000 e-mail addresses (perso= nal and corporate e-mail addresses).
 
This program is sponsored= by CFI to compensate faithful internet suffers around the globe. Congratul= ations for becoming one of the few lucky winners. With your permission, you= r e-mail will also be included in the next sweepstake of 5Million Euros.&nb= sp; You must claim y our prize: 1,000,000.00 Euros not later than 7 days fr= om the moment you receive this e-mail. In order to avoid unnecessary delays= with your claim from the bank; please contact them immediately, and quote = your winning and personal information now, and in all your correspondence w= ith the bank.
Here is the contact information:

Bank: Laagste Heypotheekofferte Bank. N.L.
Attention: Michael Garvin= .
Karspeldreef 6A, 1101 CJ, Amsterdam, Netherlands.
E-mail: laagstbank2006nl@aim.com
Teleph= one:  +31616 729 084.   
Fax    = ;       : (+3184) 735-9610.
 
Furn= ish them with the following:
(i). your name(s),
(ii) Your telephone a= nd fax numbers
(iii) Your contact address
(iv) Your winning informati= on (including amount won).
 Congratulations. Yours Faithfully
&n= bsp;Vjertis Von Adrian (Ms.) CPA.
Coordinator: Euro Millions.

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To: FL Lug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.799, required 6, AWL -1.80, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am looking into buying a hard drive enclosure that is firewire. Has anyone used or know anyone has used this enclosure before? What about this firewire card as well? I have SUSE 10.1 and 9.3 running. Am I going to run into problems? I may have asked this question before but this is some new stuff and I need to buy this stuff today, if I can. AMC HD6-U2FW Aluminum 3.5" USB2.0 + IEEE1394A External Enclosure - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817601004 SABRENT Firewire PCI Host Controller Card with 6pin to 4pin Cable Model SBT-VT6306 - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815123012 William __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 3 11:22:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93FMK2h026298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:22:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k93FMKKn026297 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:22:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93FMKvM026293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:22:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93FMJvN013186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:22:19 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93FM2N9018163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:22:02 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93FM2PJ012270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <45228019.6030004@nks.net> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:22:01 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] hard drive enclosures and firewire? References: <20061003123637.94854.qmail@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061003123637.94854.qmail@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.355, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.17, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: >I am looking into buying a hard drive enclosure that is firewire. Has anyone used or know anyone >has used this enclosure before? What about this firewire card as well? > > All firewire 400 cards I've ever used are OHCI devices. Just load the "ohci1394" kernel driver. All harddrive enclosures use the SBP2 protocol. Just load the "sbp2" kernel driver (this is like "usb_storage" for USB enclosures), and the scsi driver "scsi_mod", and the scsi disk "sd_mod" driver. >I have SUSE 10.1 and 9.3 running. Am I going to run into problems? I may have asked this >question before but this is some new stuff and I need to buy this stuff today, if I can. > > You really shouldn't have a problem. If you're trying to do something crazy like share one Firewire enclosure between 4 systems with a filesystem like GFS or OCFS2, you'll want an enclosure that supports "logins", like the Oxford 911 chipset. But that's something well beyond what you're probably looking for. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 3 13:45:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93Hjq8Y027467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:45:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k93HjqSU027466 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:45:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93Hjqeu027462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:45:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93Hjqct021230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:45:52 -0400 Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k93HjXkm010068 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:45:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 12438 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2006 17:45:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wDDY9NE30//u5QKsD6pekgvrfkkWK3jyk7L/vzDjsHebm/9SzfSqewrOZm5tmmXY5KnRiGZ8GXJbAp4tH2e0duFMXckyhsmnMahjPEUrAk6KVm5nmxSg4FgU6fWFGKVtTLMKEcA5Q2MbpfsXqTWn4ksDRiDxuAhNYG+yBNHnsrU= ; Message-ID: <20061003174532.12436.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:45:32 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] hard drive enclosures and firewire? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <45228019.6030004@nks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.667, required 6, AWL -0.33, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the info. I will get to it later today. William --- "Ian C. Blenke" wrote: > William Coulter wrote: > > >I am looking into buying a hard drive enclosure that is firewire. Has anyone used or know > anyone > >has used this enclosure before? What about this firewire card as well? > > > > > > All firewire 400 cards I've ever used are OHCI devices. Just load the > "ohci1394" kernel driver. > > All harddrive enclosures use the SBP2 protocol. Just load the "sbp2" > kernel driver (this is like "usb_storage" for USB enclosures), and the > scsi driver "scsi_mod", and the scsi disk "sd_mod" driver. > > >I have SUSE 10.1 and 9.3 running. Am I going to run into problems? I may have asked this > >question before but this is some new stuff and I need to buy this stuff today, if I can. > > > > > > You really shouldn't have a problem. > > If you're trying to do something crazy like share one Firewire enclosure > between 4 systems with a filesystem like GFS or OCFS2, you'll want an > enclosure that supports "logins", like the Oxford 911 chipset. But > that's something well beyond what you're probably looking for. > > - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 3 16:41:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93KfAa5028964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k93KfAdf028963 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93Kf9Ce028959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93Kf9qL031865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:09 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93Kenmo026560 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:40:50 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A4ACE1E for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4522CACF.4000300@mathey.org> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:40:47 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] hard drive enclosures and firewire? References: <20061003174532.12436.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061003174532.12436.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.638, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.45, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net FWIW, I run Suse 10.1 and when I plugged in a USB 2.0 external enclosure it auto mounted it under /media. I thought that was a nice feature. -Chris William Coulter wrote: > Thanks for the info. I will get to it later today. > > William > > --- "Ian C. Blenke" wrote: > > >>William Coulter wrote: >> >> >>>I am looking into buying a hard drive enclosure that is firewire. Has anyone used or know >> >>anyone >> >>>has used this enclosure before? What about this firewire card as well? >>> >>> >> >>All firewire 400 cards I've ever used are OHCI devices. Just load the >>"ohci1394" kernel driver. >> >>All harddrive enclosures use the SBP2 protocol. Just load the "sbp2" >>kernel driver (this is like "usb_storage" for USB enclosures), and the >>scsi driver "scsi_mod", and the scsi disk "sd_mod" driver. >> >> >>>I have SUSE 10.1 and 9.3 running. Am I going to run into problems? I may have asked this >>>question before but this is some new stuff and I need to buy this stuff today, if I can. >>> >>> >> >>You really shouldn't have a problem. >> >>If you're trying to do something crazy like share one Firewire enclosure >>between 4 systems with a filesystem like GFS or OCFS2, you'll want an >>enclosure that supports "logins", like the Oxford 911 chipset. But >>that's something well beyond what you're probably looking for. >> >>- Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 3 17:04:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93L4ZYT029185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:04:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k93L4Zrn029184 for slug-track29; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:04:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93L4Z85029180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:04:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93L4ZOY000908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:04:35 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k93L4Jrh002931 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 17:04:19 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6K006T7VV04WC5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:04:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] hard drive enclosures and firewire? In-reply-to: <4522CACF.4000300@mathey.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <4522CACF.4000300@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.055, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.24, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Chris Mathey wrote: > William Coulter wrote: >> >> --- "Ian C. Blenke" wrote: >> >>> William Coulter wrote: >>> >>>> I am looking into buying a hard drive enclosure that is firewire. Has >>>> anyone used or know anyone has used this enclosure before? What about >>>> this firewire card as well? >>> >>> You really shouldn't have a problem. >>> >>> If you're trying to do something crazy like share one Firewire enclosure >>> between 4 systems with a filesystem like GFS or OCFS2, you'll want an >>> enclosure that supports "logins", like the Oxford 911 chipset. But that's >>> something well beyond what you're probably looking for. >> Thanks for the info. I will get to it later today. > FWIW, I run Suse 10.1 and when I plugged in a USB 2.0 external enclosure it > auto mounted it under /media. I thought that was a nice feature. I have a usb drive, and it might appear as hda or hde or hdf, depending on whether it was on when the computer was booted, or whether I've power-cycled it in that boot. Can an automounter recognize the _type_ of drive, independent of its device? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. 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References: <20061003174532.12436.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4522CACF.4000300@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.98, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.62, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > I have a usb drive, and it might appear as hda or hde or hdf, > depending on whether it was on when the computer was booted, or > whether I've power-cycled it in that boot. Can an automounter > recognize the _type_ of drive, independent of its device? Yes. You can do all kinds of crazy things with udev (though I personally disagree with that approach). This means you could have /dev/devicetype/firstdrive as an actual device filename, for example. Also, once you have /dev/sda for example, you would need to walk through /proc (/proc/scsi/scsi and /proc/bus/...) to figure out what controller is presenting the device (or dmesg/kern.log, etc etc). You can't tell just by looking at the /dev/sda device filename, as those are assigned on a first come first served basis. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 5 18:25:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k95MP2Pv021362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:25:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k95MP2nc021361 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:25:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k95MP2Y7021357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:25:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k95MP2DG025910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:25:02 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k95MOiKw006221 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:24:44 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so697261wxc for ; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:24:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=APpqm1JT7QxhiGUg4xAWOVb7a0Ch0RZsbc0yl4JikxaN4Gs7Ul0SDmnob580J/0q99siTOSOcnI4Cv44YyvAiBkl4SDHpManxVAnFeO5e+NIQq/qkNB+KmonX1Ws+ydaMToEvYztNQ9tDXGL3gfcvp3k7WytiseeGc1vplOFe54= Received: by 10.90.54.4 with SMTP id c4mr1391012aga; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.83.17 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:24:43 -0400 From: "Dylan William Hardison" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise In-Reply-To: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.225, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k95MP2Y6021358 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net 2006/9/14, John Brown : > Hello Sluggers, > > I hope this is on topic. > > Yesterday, I got a note from Matt Basham, Program Director-Business > Technologies/Computer Science, St. Petersburg College > > He wrote: > "I haven't heard back from the Linux group… I am anxious to get > all of you out here meeting. We are switching over another room > to dual boot in Linux in case we need two rooms." > > St. Pete College has built a technology center that features Cisco > Networking, Cisco VoIP, Unix and Linux labs. They have projectors for > demos and presentations and rooms full of new Dell servers with > removable HDs and even Sun Blades just sitting waiting for students and > community events. They are also interested in using Cisco streaming > video for including remote locations. > > I met the Matt at the "EPI Center" in the ICOT center and immediately > got the grand tour. He is very enthusiastic about showing off his > facility and hosting events for local Linux, Unix and Cisco user groups. > He says both Cisco the college are pushing for hosting community events > at the new facility. > > The location off Ulmerton in Largo might not be so good for regular > meetings but for something special? Perhaps a non-regular "special > event?" > > > Whatchathink? There is a Holly Hoopes at SPC, that wants to talk to us as well. I found this out at the last St. Pete meeting, by another John, John Adams. I'm emailing Ms. Hoopes right now... I'm surprised none of the officers of SLUG have responded to this... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp2.knology.net with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2006 01:11:21 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Message-Id: <1160097080.5639.21.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:11:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.63, required 6, AWL -1.37, BAYES_80 2.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey Dylan! On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 18:24, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > 2006/9/14, John Brown : > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > I hope this is on topic. > > > > Yesterday, I got a note from Matt Basham, Program Director-Business > > Technologies/Computer Science, St. Petersburg College > > > > He wrote: > > "I haven't heard back from the Linux group… I am anxious to get > > all of you out here meeting. We are switching over another room > > to dual boot in Linux in case we need two rooms." > > > > St. Pete College has built a technology center that features Cisco > > Networking, Cisco VoIP, Unix and Linux labs. They have projectors for > > demos and presentations and rooms full of new Dell servers with > > removable HDs and even Sun Blades just sitting waiting for students and > > community events. They are also interested in using Cisco streaming > > video for including remote locations. > > > > I met the Matt at the "EPI Center" in the ICOT center and immediately > > got the grand tour. He is very enthusiastic about showing off his > > facility and hosting events for local Linux, Unix and Cisco user groups. > > He says both Cisco the college are pushing for hosting community events > > at the new facility. > > > > The location off Ulmerton in Largo might not be so good for regular > > meetings but for something special? Perhaps a non-regular "special > > event?" > > > > > > Whatchathink? > > There is a Holly Hoopes at SPC, that wants to talk to us as well. > I found this out at the last St. Pete meeting, by another John, John Adams. > > I'm emailing Ms. Hoopes right now... I'm surprised none of the > officers of SLUG have responded to this... I met her at EPI Center. Matt showed me the Linux class, in progress, that she was teaching. Next thing I know, she invited me up front and I'm doing an impromptu promotion of SLUG to about 15 Linux students. They were enthusiastic about getting on the mail-list and wanted to know about SLUG meetings. Dylan, why not just show up on a Tue or Thur after 6pm and get the royal tour like I did? Mail me off list if ya want a ride. I think you're not far from me. -- JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 5 22:21:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k962LTCJ023320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:21:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k962LTro023319 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:21:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k962LSYn023315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:21:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k962LSgd009734 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:21:28 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k962LA2F002908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:21:10 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50749 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVfKn-0003Z6-Sr for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:21:10 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9A956BE7 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4525BD92.1020609@quillandmouse.com> Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:21:06 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.043, required 6, AWL -0.37, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k962LTYm023316 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan William Hardison wrote: > 2006/9/14, John Brown : >> Hello Sluggers, >> >> I hope this is on topic. >> >> Yesterday, I got a note from Matt Basham, Program Director-Business >> Technologies/Computer Science, St. Petersburg College >> >> He wrote: >> "I haven't heard back from the Linux group… I am anxious to get >> all of you out here meeting. We are switching over another room >> to dual boot in Linux in case we need two rooms." >> >> St. Pete College has built a technology center that features Cisco >> Networking, Cisco VoIP, Unix and Linux labs. They have projectors for >> demos and presentations and rooms full of new Dell servers with >> removable HDs and even Sun Blades just sitting waiting for students and >> community events. They are also interested in using Cisco streaming >> video for including remote locations. >> >> I met the Matt at the "EPI Center" in the ICOT center and immediately >> got the grand tour. He is very enthusiastic about showing off his >> facility and hosting events for local Linux, Unix and Cisco user groups. >> He says both Cisco the college are pushing for hosting community events >> at the new facility. >> >> The location off Ulmerton in Largo might not be so good for regular >> meetings but for something special? Perhaps a non-regular "special >> event?" >> >> >> Whatchathink? > > There is a Holly Hoopes at SPC, that wants to talk to us as well. > I found this out at the last St. Pete meeting, by another John, John Adams. > > I'm emailing Ms. Hoopes right now... I'm surprised none of the > officers of SLUG have responded to this... > Here's why I never responded to this: 1) According to the above, the location would be in Largo, not St Pete. We're not sanctioning *new* meetings, so St Pete would have to meet in Largo to take advantage of this. 2) This is really a matter for the St Pete meeting coordinator, not the officers or the group at large. Really the same thing with a SPC location. If Aaron (or whoever) wants to arrange something like that, they're welcome to. I would think just about anything would be better than a coffee shop, but maybe it's just me. ;-} Paul -- Paul M. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp8.knology.net with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2006 03:31:06 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <4525BD92.1020609@quillandmouse.com> References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> <4525BD92.1020609@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1160105463.5639.28.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:31:03 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.305, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.31, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 22:21, Paul M Foster wrote: > > Here's why I never responded to this: 1) According to the above, the > location would be in Largo, not St Pete. We're not sanctioning *new* > meetings, so St Pete would have to meet in Largo to take advantage of > this. 2) This is really a matter for the St Pete meeting coordinator, > not the officers or the group at large. > > Really the same thing with a SPC location. If Aaron (or whoever) wants > to arrange something like that, they're welcome to. I would think just > about anything would be better than a coffee shop, but maybe it's just > me. ;-} > > Paul Event! Event, not routine monthly meeting. The location might not be appropriate for monthly but ... we could do something worth driving a bit once or twice a year. "There be Linux hungry souls in them there halls who would like to meet US." (yoops, sounding like an evangelist) Any ideas? -- JB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 00:54:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k964sASQ024524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:54:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k964sAYe024523 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:54:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k964sAcL024519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:54:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k964s9D5019691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:54:10 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k964rnt5015900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:53:49 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50590 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GVhiX-00062I-7L for slug@nks.net; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:53:49 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDB156BE7 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4525E15A.8000008@quillandmouse.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:53:46 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> <4525BD92.1020609@quillandmouse.com> <1160105463.5639.28.camel@biostar.com> In-Reply-To: <1160105463.5639.28.camel@biostar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.574, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Brown wrote: > On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 22:21, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> Here's why I never responded to this: 1) According to the above, the >> location would be in Largo, not St Pete. We're not sanctioning *new* >> meetings, so St Pete would have to meet in Largo to take advantage of >> this. 2) This is really a matter for the St Pete meeting coordinator, >> not the officers or the group at large. >> >> Really the same thing with a SPC location. If Aaron (or whoever) wants >> to arrange something like that, they're welcome to. I would think just >> about anything would be better than a coffee shop, but maybe it's just >> me. ;-} >> >> Paul > > Event! > Event, not routine monthly meeting. The location might not be > appropriate for monthly but ... we could do something worth driving a > bit once or twice a year. "There be Linux hungry souls in them there > halls who would like to meet US." (yoops, sounding like an evangelist) > > Any ideas? > Okay. Who wants to plan, schedule, organize and administer such an event? We could do massive outreach events all the time, so long as we answer the question above. Paul -- Paul M. 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(photo.man@216.186.187.63) by smtp1.knology.net with ESMTPA; 6 Oct 2006 11:58:16 -0000 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise From: John Brown To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <4525E15A.8000008@quillandmouse.com> References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> <4525BD92.1020609@quillandmouse.com> <1160105463.5639.28.camel@biostar.com> <4525E15A.8000008@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1160135895.5639.30.camel@biostar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:58:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.231, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.23, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thinking... On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 00:53, Paul M Foster wrote: > John Brown wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 22:21, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > >> Here's why I never responded to this: 1) According to the above, the > >> location would be in Largo, not St Pete. We're not sanctioning *new* > >> meetings, so St Pete would have to meet in Largo to take advantage of > >> this. 2) This is really a matter for the St Pete meeting coordinator, > >> not the officers or the group at large. > >> > >> Really the same thing with a SPC location. If Aaron (or whoever) wants > >> to arrange something like that, they're welcome to. I would think just > >> about anything would be better than a coffee shop, but maybe it's just > >> me. ;-} > >> > >> Paul > > > > Event! > > Event, not routine monthly meeting. The location might not be > > appropriate for monthly but ... we could do something worth driving a > > bit once or twice a year. "There be Linux hungry souls in them there > > halls who would like to meet US." (yoops, sounding like an evangelist) > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Okay. Who wants to plan, schedule, organize and administer such an > event? We could do massive outreach events all the time, so long as we > answer the question above. > > Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 08:39:54 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96CdsNR028568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:39:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96CdsFf028567 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:39:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96CdsnY028563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:39:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96CdrRW021456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:39:53 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-119.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96CdX2w011313 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:39:37 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A15EE97D for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:39:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <4525E15A.8000008@quillandmouse.com> <1160135895.5639.30.camel@biostar.com> In-Reply-To: <1160135895.5639.30.camel@biostar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610060839.28951.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.236, required 6, AWL -0.84, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_84 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 06 October 2006 07:58, John Brown wrote: > Thinking... > > > >> Here's why I never responded to this: 1) According to the above, the > > >> location would be in Largo, not St Pete. Of course living in Clw makes Largo a good choice. Having machines on location to play with and do demos is not without value. Not being one of the top attendants to meetings my desires does not make my view the most valuable.ones, but I for one like the idea of Largo a lot. Maybe Duneden moving down to Largo is another possibility. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 11:45:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96Fj2Gr030086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:45:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96Fj2bq030085 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:45:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96Fj2Kw030081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:45:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96Fj1dO030417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:45:02 -0400 Received: from webmail2.sd.dreamhost.com (webmail2.sd.dreamhost.com [66.33.201.157]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96Fimvm030403 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:44:49 -0400 Received: from webmail.hardison.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail2.sd.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F032DC7B1 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 66.240.100.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dylan@hardison.net) by webmail.hardison.net with HTTP; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34457.66.240.100.18.1160149488.squirrel@webmail.hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <1160097080.5639.21.camel@biostar.com> References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> <1160097080.5639.21.camel@biostar.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise From: dylan@hardison.net To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.962, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Dylan, why not just show up on a Tue or Thur after 6pm and get the royal > tour like I did? Mail me off list if ya want a ride. I think you're not > far from me. > -- JB Hmm, I'll consider doing that this Tuesday. I got a go-ahead from Aaron and I've emailed Ms. Hoopes about this stuff. I'll report what's going on as soon as I know. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 11:53:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96FrDAj030140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:53:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96FrDtJ030139 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:53:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96FrCvJ030135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:53:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96FrCqQ030755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:53:12 -0400 Received: from webmail1.sd.dreamhost.com (webmail1.sd.dreamhost.com [66.33.201.159]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96Fr08S031292 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:53:00 -0400 Received: from webmail.hardison.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.sd.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F582C23D for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 66.240.100.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dylan@hardison.net) by webmail.hardison.net with HTTP; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <34787.66.240.100.18.1160149979.squirrel@webmail.hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <200610060839.28951.steve@szmidt.org> References: <4525E15A.8000008@quillandmouse.com> <1160135895.5639.30.camel@biostar.com> <200610060839.28951.steve@szmidt.org> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise From: dylan@hardison.net To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.962, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Friday 06 October 2006 07:58, John Brown wrote: >> Thinking... >> > >> > >> Here's why I never responded to this: 1) According to the above, >> the >> > >> location would be in Largo, not St Pete. > > Of course living in Clw makes Largo a good choice. Having machines on > location > to play with and do demos is not without value. > Largo is really easy to get to from St. Pete. Another possible meeting location for "St. Pete" is at the Part Station in Pinellas Park. A semi-freqent member of SLUG is on the Pinellas Park Chamber of Commerce and could let us meet there reguarly. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 12:34:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96GYo3d030531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:34:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96GYo5U030530 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:34:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96GYk2B030526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:34:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96GYkk5000798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:34:46 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-81.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96GYMHN030500 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:34:26 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B3417587A for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:34:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610060839.28951.steve@szmidt.org> <34787.66.240.100.18.1160149979.squirrel@webmail.hardison.net> In-Reply-To: <34787.66.240.100.18.1160149979.squirrel@webmail.hardison.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610061234.20240.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.5, required 6, AWL -2.27, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 06 October 2006 11:52, dylan@hardison.net wrote: > > Of course living in Clw makes Largo a good choice. Having machines on > > location > > to play with and do demos is not without value. > > Largo is really easy to get to from St. Pete. True, but I would say that having a number of computers there that they clearly offered for use must be pretty ideal. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 15:27:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96JRpMG031945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:27:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96JRpP7031944 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:27:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96JRp0H031940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:27:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96JRpeR008516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:27:51 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a1.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96JRUVL007154 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:27:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (27-82.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.125.82.27]) by postalmail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EFBE9806 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:27:21 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise Message-ID: <20061006192721.GA2311@frey> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200610060839.28951.steve@szmidt.org> <34787.66.240.100.18.1160149979.squirrel@webmail.hardison.net> <200610061234.20240.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200610061234.20240.steve@szmidt.org> Reply-By: Tue Oct 3 15:23:30 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 15:23:30 up 47 min, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.09 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.601, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake steve szmidt on Friday, October 06, 2006 at 12:34PM -0400: > On Friday 06 October 2006 11:52, dylan@hardison.net wrote: > > > > Of course living in Clw makes Largo a good choice. Having machines on > > > location > > > to play with and do demos is not without value. > > > > Largo is really easy to get to from St. Pete. > > True, but I would say that having a number of computers there that they > clearly offered for use must be pretty ideal. > Err, did you misread me or did I just misread you? I think Largo's a fine place to have the meeting. Also, of the 10+ people at the last St. Pete meeting, all but one said it wasn't too far a place. Actually, Downtown St. Pete is farther away from a lot of regulars than Largo. -- Bad men live that they may eat and drink, whereas good men eat and drink that they may live. -- Socrates - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 17:36:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96LaNMY000550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:36:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96LaNrg000549 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:36:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96LaMmT000545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:36:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96LaMDg013907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:36:22 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96LaEmM010423 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:36:14 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1033477wxc for ; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:36:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KyLunlaS7wuzx60nETRAv6C8jAtXY4zz6hH5humQ+u5VioR35ty1i43/SwYhpR7SzSuYRzw+0VO5DHqURtClpceM5jEiDrubHjO6rvttUbbxaEs6HPiIOiESbseSthbzfvmNvcHd1/gQTc4SblnoajfuUW2t1/uaRkMuDhAsHxE= Received: by 10.70.131.20 with SMTP id e20mr6141111wxd; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.16.20 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d803c910610061436t16cf20e1j136d4b9a00ae9dd2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:36:14 -0400 From: "Jim Lange" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] free stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_130581_375857.1160170574294" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.498, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_130581_375857.1160170574294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have some stuff in need of good homes. Namely: 3 SGI O2's Only one would boot up, but I swapped drives around and they seem ok. Two of them have NTSC video cards, one has a SDI 601(digital video). I believe they are running Irix 6.3.5. I have some software and some manuals. 1 HP Colorado 8 gig tape drive without tapes 24 laptop cards: 3com Lan+56K Modem (model 3CCFEM556B) with dongles for about 4 1/2 of them 3com 10 Mbps (model 3CCE589ET) some Xircom, Practical Peripherals, viking 2 17" CRT monitors I live in the SPC area of St. Pete (4th Ave N & 66th St) email me if your interested botbot@gmail.com later Jim ------=_Part_130581_375857.1160170574294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have some stuff in need of good homes.  Namely:

3  SGI O2's  Only one would boot up, but I swapped drives around and they seem ok.
                   Two of them have NTSC video cards, one has a SDI 601(digital video).
                   I believe they are running Irix 6.3.5.  I have some software and some manuals.

1 HP Colorado 8 gig tape drive without tapes

24  laptop cards:

     3com Lan+56K Modem (model 3CCFEM556B) with dongles for about 4 1/2 of them

     3com 10 Mbps (model 3CCE589ET)

     some Xircom, Practical Peripherals, viking

2   17" CRT monitors


I live in the SPC area of St. Pete (4th Ave N & 66th St)
email me if your interested    botbot@gmail.com
later Jim




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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 19:18:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NIVT4001418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:18:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96NIV5J001417 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:18:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NIV2x001413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:18:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NIRII017889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:18:31 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NI7jU014442 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:18:08 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (unknown [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5AB195515 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:18:05 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:17:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610061234.20240.steve@szmidt.org> <20061006192721.GA2311@frey> In-Reply-To: <20061006192721.GA2311@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610061917.42349.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.247, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 06 October 2006 15:27, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake steve szmidt on Friday, October 06, 2006 at 12:34PM -0400: > > On Friday 06 October 2006 11:52, dylan@hardison.net wrote: > > > > Of course living in Clw makes Largo a good choice. Having machines on > > > > location > > > > to play with and do demos is not without value. > > > > > > Largo is really easy to get to from St. Pete. > > > > True, but I would say that having a number of computers there that they > > clearly offered for use must be pretty ideal. > > Err, did you misread me or did I just misread you? Nah, I was just responding to Pinellas Park option... :) -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 6 19:22:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NMgFh001468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:22:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k96NMgDK001467 for slug-track29; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:22:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NMgI3001463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:22:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NMgek018056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:22:42 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k96NMQSP010976 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:22:26 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.253.217]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6Q00FJ3M9633Z6@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:22:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:23:19 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Rumors of demise In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610061923.19462.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-disposition: inline References: <1158245722.4838.557.camel@biostar.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k96NMgI2001464 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 05 October 2006 18:24, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > 2006/9/14, John Brown : > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > I hope this is on topic. > > > > Yesterday, I got a note from Matt Basham, Program Director-Business > > Technologies/Computer Science, St. Petersburg College > > > > He wrote: > > "I haven't heard back from the Linux group… I am anxious to get > > all of you out here meeting. We are switching over another room > > to dual boot in Linux in case we need two rooms." > > > > St. Pete College has built a technology center that features Cisco > > Networking, Cisco VoIP, Unix and Linux labs. They have projectors for > > demos and presentations and rooms full of new Dell servers with > > removable HDs and even Sun Blades just sitting waiting for students and > > community events. They are also interested in using Cisco streaming > > video for including remote locations. > > > > I met the Matt at the "EPI Center" in the ICOT center and immediately > > got the grand tour. He is very enthusiastic about showing off his > > facility and hosting events for local Linux, Unix and Cisco user groups. > > He says both Cisco the college are pushing for hosting community events > > at the new facility. > > > > The location off Ulmerton in Largo might not be so good for regular > > meetings but for something special? Perhaps a non-regular "special > > event?" > > > > > > Whatchathink? Hi Dylan! How hospitable! Makes me want to make the drive from Sarasota, if I can afford the gas. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 7 03:09:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9779ABl005198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:09:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9779AtV005197 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:09:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9779A7q005193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:09:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9779AwH007770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:09:10 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-207.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.207]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9778pEF011945 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:08:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (27-82.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.125.82.27]) by postalmail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CE14BCBE for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:08:49 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] [PIG] Sharing screen's paste buffer with X11's selection buffer Message-ID: <20061007070849.GA6002@frey> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Tue Oct 3 20:40:16 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 20:40:16 up 6:04, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.401, required 6, AWL -1.91, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net (If you don't know what gnu screen [1] is, this post will not make much sense. Even so, if you use the terminal at all, screen is quite useful!) One very nifty feature of screen is being able to copy and paste without a mouse. One not so nifty feature is that this doesn't integrate with X11's own selection mechanism. Of course, if you have X11, you can just use the mouse to copy and paste, right? Right. But what if you don't want to use the mouse? Well, then, tough monkeys. I've been using a mouseless desktop lately (thanks to ion3 [2], conkeror [3], and my usual (large) collection of ncurses applications. In conkeror, I can press 'c' to get the content of the address bar in X's clipboard. I can paste this into irssi (or any other terminal program) with shift-insert. But, if I want to follow a link in my irssi session, I cannot copy this without using the mouse, unless I use screen. And even if I use screen, I can't paste this into conkeror at all, because it's private to screen's own buffer. So, the problem is: How to get screen to share its paste buffer with X? The answer is a very interesting hack. Step 1) Screen has two commands of interest: readbuf and writebuf. readbuf reads in the content of a file to the screen paste buffer, and writebuf writes the contents of that buffer to a file. Step 2) There is a program called xclip (with a debian package of the same name). 'xclip -i' takes standard in, and puts it in the X selection buffer. 'xclip -o' writes the contents of the X selection buffer to standard out. Step 3) the command 'screen -X' allows one to run screen commands from a script. The result is a shell script called 'sclip' [4] and the following three lines to ~/.screenrc: bind < exec sclip load bind > exec sclip dump bind v exec sclip paste And now I have one less reason to use the mouse. [1] http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ [2] http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ [3] http://conkeror.mozdev.org/ [4] http://hardison.net/sclip (or see below) #!/bin/sh FILE=$TEMPDIR/sclip ACTION=${1:-"blaa"} if [ $TERM != 'screen' ]; then exit 1 fi case $ACTION in paste) screen -X eval "readbuf $FILE" 'paste .' ;; load) xclip -o > $FILE screen -X readbuf $FILE ;; dump) screen -X writebuf $FILE xclip -i < $FILE ;; esac -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming" - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 7 21:17:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k981HbiB014305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:17:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k981Hbjv014304 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:17:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k981Hbwp014300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:17:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k981Hah8008509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:17:37 -0400 Received: from hapkido.dreamhost.com (hapkido.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.122]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k981HBBB006659 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:17:12 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a5.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F59617B297 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (27-82.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.125.82.27]) by postalmail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539CE131983 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:16:07 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] [PIG] Sharing screen's paste buffer with X11's selection buffer Message-ID: <20061008011607.GA2110@frey> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG References: <20061007070849.GA6002@frey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061007070849.GA6002@frey> Reply-By: Wed Oct 4 21:05:11 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 21:05:11 up 18 min, 7 users, load average: 0.18, 0.07, 0.05 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.601, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually, sclip only works half of the time due to a race condition. Le sigh. :( -- "What terrible way to die." "There are no good ways." -- Sulu and Kirk, "That Which Survives", stardate unknown - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 9 01:22:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k995McDb028403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:22:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k995McPF028402 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:22:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k995MbbU028392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:22:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k995Mb7f019300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:22:37 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k995MFsJ012205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:22:15 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50022 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GWnac-00008V-Sq; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 01:22:13 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1543756BE8; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:22:08 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20061009052208.1543756BE8@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:22:08 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.129, required 6, AWL -2.02, BAYES_80 2.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 10 October 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 409 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 October 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) New College Math Reading Room, HNS 106 5700 N. Tamiami Trail Sarasota, FL 34243 See http://www.ncf.edu/about/directions.html and http://www.ncf.edu/about/pdf/map.pdf for maps DUNEDIN ************************************************** 28 October 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** ********************** * TEMPORARY LOCATION * ********************** 30 October 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) Globe Coffee Lounge 532 1st Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 BRANDON ************************************************** 2 November 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 4 November 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 9 22:54:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9A2s9Ig006705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:54:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9A2s9S9006704 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:54:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9A2s8BF006700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:54:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9A2s47t007022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:54:08 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9A2rgPX008837 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:53:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (27-82.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.125.82.27]) by postalmail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF85417DB2 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 19:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 22:53:35 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Improvements to SLUG RSS Message-ID: <20061010025335.GA2680@frey> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Fri Oct 6 21:36:27 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 21:36:27 up 1:06, 7 users, load average: 0.12, 0.10, 0.04 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.601, required 6, AWL 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've made a few improvements to the RSS feed (available at http://hardison.net/slug/slug.rss or http://hardison.net/slug/rss/slug.rss). Mostly the provements are in the handling of fields. It seems that the RSS feed is very popular. Kudos to Nick Velez for requesting it. :) -- Entropy requires no maintenance. -- Markoff Chaney - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 10 15:38:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9AJctve015269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9AJctTM015268 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9AJcsCG015259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9AJcrkU014207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:54 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9AJcR52008234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:28 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50098 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GXNQo-0000ei-Pw; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:27 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DA356BE7; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <452BF6B0.4060108@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:38:24 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] TBCS Event Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.617, required 6, AWL -0.54, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: This is a relay of a message I just received. It may be of interest to some of you.... This message is going out to people who are allied with local computer user groups. Hello, The Tampa Bay Computer Society (TBCS) is holding a Security Faire at the Largo Cultural Center next Wednesday. We'll have speakers, movies, and our TBCS computer techs will be giving FREE Security Check-Ups to anyone who brings in their computers and routers. The security check-ups are available all day long. No registration is required for this event. Note: This event is NOT the same as one of our Random Acts of Kindness Computer Clinics. We are not going to provide comprehensive repair services at this event. Over 15,000 people have been invited - our goal is to get each computer in & out within 15 to 30 minutes. Dave Gussow will be our keynote speaker that day. His speech, "From Prank to Profit" will take place at 11am. Jim Coffman will speak on computer security at 1pm, and Kevin Klim, Special Agent of the FBI, will speak on "Identity Theft, Spyware, & Viruses" at 2pm. We will also screen movies dealing with a variety of security issues throughout the day. You will find schedules and details at: http://tampa-bay.org/security/ I want to extend a special invitation to those affiliated with computer user groups. There are two reasons that you might want to join us: 1. We will have a registration area for user groups to recruit members. Since we expect to have several hundred computer enthusiasts attending during the course of the day, we know that some will be eager to join groups where they can get some ongoing computer support. As much as we would like to sign them to OUR group, often there's a better "fit" for them elsewhere. We would like your group to have an opportunity to get new members. 2. The security checkup that we are going to do at this event is capable of being taught to others to take back to your groups and offer to your members. Please come and let us share some of our methods with you. We would like to give you a tool that we think is capable of attracting new members to your club. That's it. We'd love for you to come on out and join us. Everyone is invited. Bring your friends and neighbors and join the fun sometime during the day. When: Wednesday, October 18th Where: Largo Cultural Center: 105 Central Park Dr., Largo, 33771 (map: http://tampa-bay.org/maps.htm - ignore 1st map; look at 2nd map) When: 10 AM 'til 8 PM Info: http://tampa-bay.org/security/ Sincerely, Doc (Dave Dockery) President, Tampa Bay Computer Society (www.tampa-bay.org) President, Florida Association of Computer User Groups (www.facug.org) -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 12 05:29:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9C9T6nc002254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:29:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9C9T64O002253 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:29:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9C9T63o002249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:29:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9C9T5DX016152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:29:06 -0400 Received: from randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9C9SoQP027185 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:28:50 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a10.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7662910E417 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Challenge Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:28:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610120528.45564.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.617, required 6, AWL -1.38, BAYES_80 2.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi all, Here's an interesting mystery for those of you with too much time on your hands: We all know that capacity on computers is measured in bytes, where 1KB is 1024bytes. It arrives of course at 1024 since we deal with a binary system which grows like this. 2 4 6 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 Pretty straight forward. Now some of you have 1GB RAM. When you run a check on that the number that shows up is 1,048,048. How do they arrive at 1,048,048? You are allowed to google for the answer. Those with the answer should hold back for those who still wish to solve it. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 12 12:49:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CGnqds005905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:49:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9CGnqwG005904 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:49:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CGnqpF005900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:49:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CGnqla012362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:49:52 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CGnKw6007412 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:49:20 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7100IHM7QCIRN5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:42:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge In-reply-to: <200610120528.45564.steve@szmidt.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.882, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.14, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's an interesting mystery for those of you with too much time on your > hands: > > We all know that capacity on computers is measured in bytes, where 1KB is > 1024bytes. It arrives of course at 1024 since we deal with a binary system > which grows like this. > > 2 4 6 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 > > Pretty straight forward. > > Now some of you have 1GB RAM. When you run a check on that the number that > shows up is 1,048,048. Actually Linux says: eben@pc:~$ free total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 1036908 1018880 18028 0 142216 478264 -/+ buffers/cache: 398400 638508 Swap: 3212988 2740 3210248 but I forget how much RAM is in this box really. XP says: C:\>mem 655360 bytes total conventional memory 655360 bytes available to MS-DOS 598304 largest executable program size 1048576 bytes total contiguous extended memory 0 bytes available contiguous extended memory 941056 bytes available XMS memory MS-DOS resident in High Memory Area > How do they arrive at 1,048,048? Arithmetic tells me that 2^20 - 1048048 = 512 + 16 = 2^9 + 2^4, so I'm going to guess a half-K paging scheme plus 16 bytes bootstrap code for the CPU. Close? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 A. A Top Poster \ http://www.fscked.co.uk/ B. Who's there? \ writing/ A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com \ top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 12 14:25:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIPlDt006752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:25:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9CIPkOF006751 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:25:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIPk43006747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:25:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIPkdB017993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:25:46 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIPAH2002141 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:25:10 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BCD18D5ED for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:25:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610120528.45564.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610120528.45564.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610121425.07528.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.556, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Actually I saw it on someones windows server last night. I did not even check my own Linux boxes as a comparison. A GB here shows as 1,036,584. Which adds another question. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 12 14:43:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIhoAA006875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9CIho04006874 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIhosC006870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIhnoa018953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CIhXu2024039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:34 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9CIhWL3012997 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:32 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4/Submit) id k9CIhWXv012994; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:32 -0400 From: rmorgan@heavysystems.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge To: slug@nks.net Cc: X-Originating-IP: 192.168.1.74 X-Mailer: Webmin 1.300 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1160678612.12992@eagle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bound1160678612" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.2, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_40 -0.18, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --bound1160678612 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mine shows a GB is 1037788... i feel cheated out of a couple Kb. :-p --bound1160678612-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 12 15:33:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CJXnH7007302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:33:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9CJXnew007301 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:33:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CJXmgM007297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:33:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CJXlRc023079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:33:48 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CJXHpj012517 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:33:18 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so347344ugc for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:33:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ugpVA4jLmRgDDAwhPHTH08AKvBN2JtFiW6mqUUNBcCT4JXlgWhFxspBZV7361i+c9N1pR49LekWhCUsvlmvu6Avg86HOZtRgoU4vMBRXg59S9QmFPVCtp9h9zRHunHhTA1TPURM+feKbmZxZfl8dUek2fhQtvJLN96nHGgP8PvA= Received: by 10.78.201.8 with SMTP id y8mr2683004huf; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610121233h286153d4p642d140540c7833e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:33:16 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge In-Reply-To: <1160678612.12992@eagle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1160678612.12992@eagle> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.427, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.43) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Mine shows a GB is 1037788... i feel cheated out of a couple Kb. :-p I only have 1027832! It's a travesty! -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 12 16:26:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CKQrGo007765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:26:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9CKQroF007764 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:26:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CKQqx4007760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:26:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CKQqBg000793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:26:52 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CKQZQr008370 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:26:35 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J71002B3I246IU5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 15:25:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:25:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310610121233h286153d4p642d140540c7833e@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310610121233h286153d4p642d140540c7833e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.427, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.24, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Mine shows a GB is 1037788... i feel cheated out of a couple Kb. :-p > > I only have 1027832! It's a travesty! Might that depend on the motherboard, so if you take your HD to a different machine it'll show a different value? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 A. A Top Poster \ http://www.fscked.co.uk/ B. Who's there? \ writing/ A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com \ top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 12 17:27:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CLRS1L008264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9CLRSMg008263 for slug-track29; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CLRR28008259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CLRRfB003694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:27 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9CLR6Hs028911 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:27:06 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so801160pyf for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:26:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=q2OZ+4vdL6ppYOAQE77Xu2PGnOWk4bCmfWJ7vy6X6bxYd/N5bN0QeiidDAz3lh1b3hGtk2cq61ln+q39oma7kittzucH0e+2RPMVoYIFNnzXqPXu2nhH9dRxWOXFHTrSbqbe+9RK6Zii1ULem0kc0CpmdFNOqVS/vbnQLOaZYts= Received: by 10.35.77.1 with SMTP id e1mr4078493pyl; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.129.10 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860610121426i66f9a796w5e1fb353127499bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:26:32 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22885_971322.1160688392782" References: <1160678612.12992@eagle> <1a3a3e310610121233h286153d4p642d140540c7833e@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.182, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_40 -0.18, HTML_00_10 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_22885_971322.1160688392782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline your total ram size can be motherboard specific. Why well because of bios settings some you can change while others you can not. Example on my asus board I have the option ( a common one at that) to enable the shadowing of my video and motherboard bios. Which dumps segments of both into ram. There are some motherboards that if you have your ECSD to reset on every boot that instead of writing irq vaules to nvram it is stored in ram. You would be amazed on what is in there just dump and decompile your motheroard bios you be amazed how many little bits are taken here and there to make your machine work. ------=_Part_22885_971322.1160688392782 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
your total ram size can be motherboard specific.  Why well because of bios settings some you can change while others you can not. 
 
Example on my asus board I have the option ( a common one at that) to enable the shadowing of my video and motherboard bios.  Which dumps segments of both into ram. There are some motherboards that if you have your ECSD to reset on every boot that instead of writing irq vaules to nvram it is stored in ram.  You would be amazed on what is in there just dump and decompile your motheroard bios you be amazed how many little bits are taken here and there to make your machine work.
------=_Part_22885_971322.1160688392782-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 01:25:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5PPTf012840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:25:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9D5PP07012839 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:25:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5POC9012831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:25:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5PO09003880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:25:24 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5P4g8017148 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:25:05 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so1491544nfe for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:25:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TGZ51rkzVETwQUUp/raNOjtTuRxdH42izFgbk+P2v6iOJlLv6pH6crKwJrKlt0DUj5n6pkEJ/JQvEzWwNztdkYx8iJsNvABS5HaA2f+opKDCPt0hNEzKAM2tPZve3PsJc5vHunMGJEyFNrjBzibcIjMR3qf7feaxQSsCjMb+gjo= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr3218822hue; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.116.1 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <703ba7320610122225g14b017bay5af1bfb0c1a09bcf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:25:03 -0700 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] md5 sum check MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32099_31471093.1160717103903" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.353, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_32099_31471093.1160717103903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was downloading Fedora Core 4 64bit and attempted to do a md5 check but came up with wildly different values. Is there a different process for checking 64bit files? I should have gotten e77898791cf3bc37b9267321b89d51a147fea649 but instead I received 1AD70214FAAFBC17941F81EEA32F06EB. I have never had a problem with this process before. Bob Waldo -- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. ------=_Part_32099_31471093.1160717103903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I was downloading Fedora Core 4 64bit and attempted to do a md5 check but came up with wildly different values.  Is there a different process for checking 64bit files?
I should have gotten e77898791cf3bc37b9267321b89d51a147fea649  but instead I received 1AD70214FAAFBC17941F81EEA32F06EB.  I have never had a problem with this process before.
 
Bob Waldo

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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 01:53:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5rXNY013414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:53:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9D5rXKL013413 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:53:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5rWjm013409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:53:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5rWk4005394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:53:32 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9D5rEJY021437 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:53:14 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J72006IX8CCAA62@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:53:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5 sum check In-reply-to: <703ba7320610122225g14b017bay5af1bfb0c1a09bcf@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.119, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.12, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 12 Oct 2006, Robert Waldo wrote: > I was downloading Fedora Core 4 64bit and attempted to do a md5 check but > came up with wildly different values. Is there a different process for > checking 64bit files? Check the sizes first with e.g. "ls". If they're the same, run "od -t x1z $file | less" on each one and see if they look the same by eye. Actually, hmm, does md5sum _do_ big files? I guess you could run something like "strace md5sum $file 2>&1 | grep open" and see whether they're "open64"s. But that might not be the right call to check, and there are probably easier methods anyhow. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 A. A Top Poster \ http://www.fscked.co.uk/ B. Who's there? \ writing/ A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com \ top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 06:09:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DA9CLk017069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:09:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DA9CKU017068 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:09:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DA9Blh017064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:09:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DA9B4B026598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:09:11 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DA8pW5015907 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:08:51 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so885557wxc for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:08:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MmwFW6Xg5I+zgsWgIb/yWrjQRjqe2on/7Y4O1GxDVlLmhZXrmYnM8rQtQfkQzeCRu9jx7o4uNTzuMBOjJM7dpYOG1OsL+fR6iN59qhPIWW4TDQWiMuYqaaK+mHChmrjEjtLo5rhSebUWMJVUK02tCk8u3eEEmuFcKRoUoaE4TLo= Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr1975803agc; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 03:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610130308k20130151s2fabfa9ce2264bb5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:08:50 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5 sum check In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610122225g14b017bay5af1bfb0c1a09bcf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_163192_1042822.1160734130748" References: <703ba7320610122225g14b017bay5af1bfb0c1a09bcf@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.381, required 6, AWL -1.18, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_00_10 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_163192_1042822.1160734130748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 1 byte different difference can and often will change the whole hash dramatically. By 64-bit files, I assume you mean files that are intended to be installed on 64-bit architectures... there is nothing unusual about these files. Most likely one of two things happened... (1) the file is incomplete or corrupted in some way, or (2) the published md5sum is for a different file than you are downloading (or possibly just wrong, but distributors are usually more careful than that). Well, there is also (3), I suppose... the file has been compromised/modified by a third party. ~ Daniel ------=_Part_163192_1042822.1160734130748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 1 byte different difference can and often will change the whole hash dramatically.  By 64-bit files, I assume you mean files that are intended to be installed on 64-bit architectures... there is nothing unusual about these files.  Most likely one of two things happened... (1) the file is incomplete or corrupted in some way, or (2) the published md5sum is for a different file than you are downloading (or possibly just wrong, but distributors are usually more careful than that).  Well, there is also (3), I suppose... the file has been compromised/modified by a third party.

~ Daniel
------=_Part_163192_1042822.1160734130748-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 10:35:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEZWS3020939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:35:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DEZWKU020938 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:35:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEZVu7020934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:35:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEZVWZ013475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:35:31 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEZG1q007082 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:35:16 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so449348ugc for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:35:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EnWbCQv9ESznKlVpjK35afXXA0qNFi49+hrKByLQ0ipLWTOFbqZGxWTqX1YqrBXEKFOMDBq4FAGDJyEbxkSGyD//k9UTJnqyxhshak1olwBQU07Zqh6VMdiDdX4qBEI8kidmg0JZofPWDL+2h3OD5yhl6EDpK6xcqpER07gk8us= Received: by 10.78.151.15 with SMTP id y15mr3765523hud; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.116.1 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <703ba7320610130735l79aa1760w2bed79d01bb501ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:35:14 -0700 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5 sum check In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0610130308k20130151s2fabfa9ce2264bb5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35909_6885863.1160750114509" References: <703ba7320610122225g14b017bay5af1bfb0c1a09bcf@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd0610130308k20130151s2fabfa9ce2264bb5@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.612, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_SINGLE_1WORD 1.01, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_35909_6885863.1160750114509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I downloaded the files from FTP directory /pub/fedora/linux/core/4/x86_64/iso/ at ftp.linux.ncsu.edu as I have done many times before and performed the check #md5sum -b FC4-x86_64-disc1.iso . I downloaded a 32 bit file to verify that I was doing it correctly and it worked perfectly. I used the sha1sum file as I normally do. I'll have to do more research..... On 10/13/06, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > > 1 byte different difference can and often will change the whole hash > dramatically. By 64-bit files, I assume you mean files that are intended to > be installed on 64-bit architectures... there is nothing unusual about these > files. Most likely one of two things happened... (1) the file is incomplete > or corrupted in some way, or (2) the published md5sum is for a different > file than you are downloading (or possibly just wrong, but distributors are > usually more careful than that). Well, there is also (3), I suppose... the > file has been compromised/modified by a third party. > > ~ Daniel > -- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. ------=_Part_35909_6885863.1160750114509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I downloaded the files from FTP directory /pub/fedora/linux/core/4/x86_64/iso/ at ftp.linux.ncsu.edu as I have done many times before and performed the check #md5sum -b FC4-x86_64-disc1.iso  .  I downloaded a 32 bit file to verify that I was doing it correctly and it worked perfectly.  I used the sha1sum file as I normally do.   I'll have to do more research.....

On 10/13/06, Daniel Jarboe <daniel.jarboe@gmail.com> wrote:
1 byte different difference can and often will change the whole hash dramatically.  By 64-bit files, I assume you mean files that are intended to be installed on 64-bit architectures... there is nothing unusual about these files.  Most likely one of two things happened... (1) the file is incomplete or corrupted in some way, or (2) the published md5sum is for a different file than you are downloading (or possibly just wrong, but distributors are usually more careful than that).  Well, there is also (3), I suppose... the file has been compromised/modified by a third party.

~ Daniel



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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 10:44:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEiN4O021012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:44:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DEiNnV021011 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:44:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEiMil021007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:44:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEiMIU014010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:44:22 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DEhnSv008154 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:43:50 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:43:45 -0600 Message-Id: <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:43:32 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: [SLUG] Interesting topic - Reiser and EXT3 References: <452F5C36020000C70000E359@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4020000C70000E386@sinclair.provo.novell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.18, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.18, BAYES_60 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There are a number of threads surrounding this topic, but one in particular that is stating that OpenSUSE 10.2, currently in Alpha 5 will be released with EXT3 as the default filesystem. Primarily the reasoning is that EXT3 has now caught up with Reiser from a scalability, functionality, and maturity perspective (h-trees and online expansion) that Reiser has enjoyed for many years. This does not imply in any way that we are dropping support for Reiser - filesystems live very long lives and Reiser will continue to be supported into the indefinite future. While this hasn't been announced officially, it is an interesting change of default that will appear in the SLE11 release and in OpenSUSE 10.2 that I figured you all would be interested in knowing. Expect to see an announcement on the SLE site shortly. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 11:23:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DFNwMT021581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:23:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DFNwIS021580 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:23:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DFNvLf021576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:23:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DFNusW016571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:23:57 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DFNgWT009372 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:23:42 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J72001OKYNPPCS2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:21:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:21:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting topic - Reiser and EXT3 In-reply-to: <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <452F6DD4020000C70000E386@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.203, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.02, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: > There are a number of threads surrounding this topic, but one in > particular that is stating that OpenSUSE 10.2, currently in Alpha 5 will > be released with EXT3 as the default filesystem. Primarily the reasoning > is that EXT3 has now caught up with Reiser from a scalability, > functionality, and maturity perspective (h-trees and online expansion) > that Reiser has enjoyed for many years. This does not imply in any way > that we are dropping support for Reiser - filesystems live very long lives > and Reiser will continue to be supported into the indefinite future. Line breaks! (I added them.) Anyhow, is this true with modern reiserfs? http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html I would not use it if it were. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -- Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 13:19:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHJUIh023304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DHJU2n023303 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHJU9I023299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHJTge023317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:30 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHJEId011683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:14 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50867 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GYQgj-0008Qs-G4 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:13 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5771756BE7 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <452FCA8F.5020101@quillandmouse.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:19:11 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting topic - Reiser and EXT3 References: <452F5C36020000C70000E359@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4020000C70000E386@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.832, required 6, AWL -0.32, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pugh wrote: > There are a number of threads surrounding this topic, but one in particular that is stating that OpenSUSE 10.2, currently in Alpha 5 will be released with EXT3 as the default filesystem. Primarily the reasoning is that EXT3 has now caught up with Reiser from a scalability, functionality, and maturity perspective (h-trees and online expansion) that Reiser has enjoyed for many years. This does not imply in any way that we are dropping support for Reiser - filesystems live very long lives and Reiser will continue to be supported into the indefinite future. > > While this hasn't been announced officially, it is an interesting change of default that will appear in the SLE11 release and in OpenSUSE 10.2 that I figured you all would be interested in knowing. Expect to see an announcement on the SLE site shortly. > Hmm. This was mentioned last week in LWN. It came from an email from Jeff Mahoney (jeffm at suse.com) (SuSE Labs) to opensuse-factory at opensuse.org. Promoted as though it was "official". Paul -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 13:35:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHZmMY023507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:35:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DHZmru023506 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:35:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHZmHE023502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:35:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHZiqJ024093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:35:48 -0400 Received: from mx-2.vasoftware.com (mx-2.vasoftware.com [12.152.184.162]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DHZF8i003076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:35:16 -0400 Received: from pool-71-100-224-194.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.100.224.194] helo=[192.168.1.103]) by mx-2.vasoftware.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60) id 1GYQwF-0006cY-0e by VAAuthID rmiller with plain for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:35:15 -0700 Message-ID: <452FCE4D.6040601@roblimo.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:35:09 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting topic - Reiser and EXT3 References: <452F5C36020000C70000E359@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4020000C70000E386@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <452FCA8F.5020101@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <452FCA8F.5020101@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.201, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FU_WITH_ID 0.20) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >> While this hasn't been announced officially, it is an interesting >> change of default that will appear in the SLE11 release and in >> OpenSUSE 10.2 that I figured you all would be interested in knowing. >> Expect to see an announcement on the SLE site shortly. >> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/12/2120204 I've been so close to Hans for so many years that I've to recuse myself from writing about him and his file system (especially now), but I use ext3 on my own desktops/laptops. - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 14:12:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DIC5WX024071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:12:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DIC5XM024070 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DIC4lS024066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:12:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DIC3JS026292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:12:04 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DIBehB018305 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:11:40 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=EFupLMFqSwi9ga2ochci8FIAKy3yANrGKjcZXYr8VzK/11pARDZq4uLWi7lQKsAi; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.29] (helo=mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GYRVU-00044N-Ge for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:11:40 -0400 Received: from 24.144.115.226 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: <7405445.1160763100536.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:11:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: xcalibre To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Need Help Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4ddf21464984adc90846f67e78720081d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_60 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I need to know if anyone has a Athlon XP CPU 2400 - 3200 that they would want to sell at a reasonable price. Diane's CPU bit the big one last night and she needs one.. Most places on line are a Rip Off and no one local has them any more... If anyone has one please let me know you can contact me at xcalibre@mindspring.com or bpreece1@gmail.com Need one A.S.A.P. Thanks.. Bill Preece ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 14:55:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DItbYp024428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:55:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DItbx2024427 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:55:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DItbGS024423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:55:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DItbqh028587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:55:37 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DItAZb023875 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:55:10 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7300M6P8JNGSI4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:54:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:55:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help In-reply-to: <7405445.1160763100536.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.589, required 6, AWL -0.07, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_CONST_9 0.20, TW_FX 0.08, TW_KN 0.08, TW_MX 0.08, TW_NF 0.08, TW_SN 0.08, TW_XS 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, xcalibre wrote: > I need to know if anyone has a Athlon XP CPU 2400 - 3200 that they would > want to sell at a reasonable price. I have this: eben@pc:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 8 model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2400+ stepping : 1 cpu MHz : 2002.752 cache size : 256 KB fdiv_bug : no hlt_bug : no f00f_bug : no coma_bug : no fpu : yes fpu_exception : yes cpuid level : 1 wp : yes flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow bogomips : 4011.95 which I might be persuaded to upgrade, if the incremental price isn't too big. We may be able to arrange some sort of barter deal. Mail me... -- A well-lovd and corrctly traind domstc cnine is gnrlly slobbry, excitbl, noisy, scatologically obsessed, xenophobic, pathetically unjudgmental, embrrssngly uninhbtd, unreasnngly dvtd, hrtbrkngly dpndnt and wretchedly craven. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 16:10:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DKAjWm025560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:10:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DKAitl025559 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:10:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DKAiS0025555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:10:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DKAiSQ000322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:10:44 -0400 Received: from web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.167]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k9DKAScn023651 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:10:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 57979 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2006 20:10:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K0ogLQQzl+ssYv5rGb4r2+KMoxhyScFGvr+apCgch7K4v6Q0lktwp+VINVFdPIgtUQgi4ial80Jrcgh62hNkT48TkDPCldNvXlBOaBO5kkz8UPV2y27wXpcjx5AYvtil/rBl4egjorpDYPxdOQZVn5MMof2ma1RyU1Aa+AEosjQ= ; Message-ID: <20061013201028.57977.qmail@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:10:28 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:10:28 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site To: FL Lug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.667, required 6, AWL -0.33, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anybody know of a web site that lists boot cds or rescue cds. Something like distro watch but with windows tools. I have system rescue cd and it is great for linux but I have found out that it does not have as many windows tools as I like or know how to use. I would like to get some updated cds and not have to look all over the web. Thanks, William __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 16:44:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DKid06026122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DKidSc026121 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DKidJw026117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DKicX6002859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:38 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DKiLWG003488 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:44:22 -0400 Received: from rmailcenter03.comcast.net ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061013204352m1100rsgnve>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:43:52 +0000 Received: from [68.56.180.39] by rmailcenter03.comcast.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:43:50 +0000 From: maury0324@comcast.net (Maurice Wilson) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:43:50 +0000 Message-Id: <101320062043.566.452FFA8600077E79000002362200745672CBCDCCCF979D9A0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWF1cnkwMzI0QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You might find something here, http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/software_tools.htm http://www.thefreecountry.com/index.shtml http://www.pchell.com/ http://www.inside-security.de/INSERT_en.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 17:25:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DLPI3o027069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DLPIKB027068 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DLPHLp027064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DLPHFa005440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:17 -0400 Received: from web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.73]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k9DLOoSk006528 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:24:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 92249 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Oct 2006 21:24:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Hra6edkizovod7/uZv73DQramh7/BazlLBVQFcbhfY2b2oUZNdzfxFceHENNXvRrBYjiWfOSrzIBm6UXNKFw5gsxNZYc3ijec7Z/c/XNxmg/zehK16cqFeOOrxRTaf6ghQr3lcPMIc2F7wGoszW7zndCSuSxeyyOx1tahRaz/fg= ; Message-ID: <20061013212450.92247.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.44] by web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:24:50 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <101320062043.566.452FFA8600077E79000002362200745672CBCDCCCF979D9A0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.799, required 6, AWL -1.80, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the links but I was looking for something more like distro watch for linux. Is there something like that for windows? William --- Maurice Wilson wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 17:51:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DLplqR027709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:51:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DLpltf027708 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:51:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DLplIL027704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:51:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DLpk2c006815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:51:46 -0400 Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DLpN5a007065 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:51:23 -0400 Received: from rmailcenter03.comcast.net ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061013215121m15009dul0e>; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:51:22 +0000 Received: from [68.56.180.39] by rmailcenter03.comcast.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:51:20 +0000 From: maury0324@comcast.net (Maurice Wilson) To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:51:20 +0000 Message-Id: <101320062151.23757.45300A580000932200005CCD2200745672CBCDCCCF979D9A0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWF1cnkwMzI0QGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sorry I don't know of anything like that. I always have an eye out for free tools for fixing problems as I do a bit of that but don't use windows as my primary system. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: William Coulter > Thanks for the links but I was looking for something more like distro watch for > linux. Is there > something like that for windows? > > William > > --- Maurice Wilson wrote: > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 18:17:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DMHg9i028489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DMHgOL028488 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DMHfUE028484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DMHfQL008566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:41 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DMHTKk012129 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:29 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DMHKtp007008 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610132217.k9DMHKtp007008@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:18:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <7405445.1160763100536.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: Acbu9A+7JpTBn2naQ9qnmNRtrhk1uAAIVMHw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.736, required 6, AWL -0.91, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net How's $18 for a new (but slower) Duron 1.8mhz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104159 Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of xcalibre Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:12 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Need Help I need to know if anyone has a Athlon XP CPU 2400 - 3200 that they would want to sell at a reasonable price. Diane's CPU bit the big one last night and she needs one.. Most places on line are a Rip Off and no one local has them any more... If anyone has one please let me know you can contact me at xcalibre@mindspring.com or bpreece1@gmail.com Need one A.S.A.P. Thanks.. Bill Preece ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 19:00:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DN0Cuk030741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:00:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DN0BNr030737 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:00:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DN06nf030691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:00:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DN04Vf011150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:00:06 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DMxmmj018367 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:59:48 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DMxka9028938 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610132259.k9DMxka9028938@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:01:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <20061013212450.92247.qmail@web31015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcbvEyPCt5qcUOV4SImZVghg3HlvUwACAoIw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.647, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I was looking for something more like distro watch for linux. Is there something like that for windows? Not exactly what you asked for, but here's two good utility sites: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ http://www.sysinternals.com/ Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:25 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site Thanks for the links but I was looking for something more like distro watch for linux. Is there something like that for windows? William --- Maurice Wilson wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 19:59:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DNxSxM002458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9DNxSgb002457 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DNxS1f002453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DNxM5B015580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:28 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9DNx5ap012883 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:05 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=nbV7SUUBNl1oCrFL5mtAzRLu7XbF7YmWnM00EB7wKSF8hvAd/Wy4+yStILqYiV1S; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.51] (helo=mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GYWvg-0001XX-T6 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:04 -0400 Received: from 24.144.115.226 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:04 -0400 Message-ID: <9261983.1160783944936.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:59:04 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: xcalibre To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d2aefbbf03fb32b93619f60c72e4f8f5f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.51 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, MANGLED_ONLINE 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That a bit weak also she uses Photoshop and a Duron is a bit weak... Bill.. -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Elliott >Sent: Oct 13, 2006 6:18 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help > >How's $18 for a new (but slower) Duron 1.8mhz. > >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104159 > > > >Ken Elliott > >===================== >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of xcalibre >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:12 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Need Help > >I need to know if anyone has a Athlon XP CPU 2400 - 3200 that they would >want to sell at a reasonable price. >Diane's CPU bit the big one last night and she needs one.. Most places on >line are a Rip Off and no one local has them any more... > >If anyone has one please let me know you can contact me at >xcalibre@mindspring.com or bpreece1@gmail.com > >Need one A.S.A.P. > >Thanks.. > >Bill Preece > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted >are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy >or position of NKS or any of its employees. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 20:03:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0337J002732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:03:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E033CE002731 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:03:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0326d002727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:03:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E032DW015947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:03:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E02d2G019698 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:02:44 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E02b3M004982 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610140002.k9E02b3M004982@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:03:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <9261983.1160783944936.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcbvI7g002Ni68jHQdSn4dpPlIG3sgAADyPw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.647, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> That a bit weak also she uses Photoshop and a Duron is a bit weak... Photoshop? That's pretty heavy on floating point math operations. You might want to consider a new Athlon 64 and a new motherboard. Photoshop blazes on the A64. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of xcalibre Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 7:59 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help That a bit weak also she uses Photoshop and a Duron is a bit weak... Bill.. -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Elliott >Sent: Oct 13, 2006 6:18 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help > >How's $18 for a new (but slower) Duron 1.8mhz. > >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104159 > > > >Ken Elliott > >===================== >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of xcalibre >Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:12 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Need Help > >I need to know if anyone has a Athlon XP CPU 2400 - 3200 that they >would want to sell at a reasonable price. >Diane's CPU bit the big one last night and she needs one.. Most places >on line are a Rip Off and no one local has them any more... > >If anyone has one please let me know you can contact me at >xcalibre@mindspring.com or bpreece1@gmail.com > >Need one A.S.A.P. > >Thanks.. > >Bill Preece > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 20:19:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0JoeD003806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E0Jor7003805 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0JoVJ003801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0JnPr017279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:50 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0JVeI024191 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:32 -0400 Received: from athlon2400 (cpe-72-184-134-197.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.184.134.197]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9E0JUK4023791 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002801c6ef26$683d4780$0300a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <20061013201028.57977.qmail@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:19:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.344, required 6, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_CPE 0.98, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net While Bart Pe is pretty good you still have to use a windows cd to make the bootable ISO. What i have found that is better for diagonistics and repairs is this website. http://www.ubcd4win.com/ JamesS ----- Original Message ----- > Does anybody know of a web site that lists boot cds or rescue cds. > Something like distro watch > but with windows tools. > William ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 20:25:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0PwK7004378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:25:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E0Pw48004377 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:25:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0PwHm004373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:25:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0Pwqj017741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:25:58 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0PeTh003301 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:25:40 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E0Pco2016210 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610140025.k9E0Pco2016210@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:26:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <002801c6ef26$683d4780$0300a8c0@athlon2400> Thread-Index: AcbvJolsuVwUO597TX6DZuFK5ochdgAAMTyQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.53, required 6, AWL -1.12, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> While Bart Pe is pretty good you still have to use a windows cd to make the bootable ISO. Both Do. No difference in that regard. But since both are used to repair a Windows machine, that should not be a limitation. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of James Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:19 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site While Bart Pe is pretty good you still have to use a windows cd to make the bootable ISO. What i have found that is better for diagonistics and repairs is this website. http://www.ubcd4win.com/ JamesS ----- Original Message ----- > Does anybody know of a web site that lists boot cds or rescue cds. > Something like distro watch > but with windows tools. > William ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 20:30:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0U7MW004764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:30:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E0U752004763 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:30:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0U6lV004759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:30:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0TwpI018039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:30:06 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0TlZw030998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:29:48 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GYXPL-0008Lh-9O for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:29:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <9261983.1160783944936.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <9261983.1160783944936.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-F/BSbQjFYs6h0vrFS4fj" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:29:07 -0400 Message-Id: <1160785747.23691.13.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.442, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.26, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-F/BSbQjFYs6h0vrFS4fj Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 19:59 -0400, xcalibre Egregiously top posted: > That a bit weak also she uses Photoshop and a Duron is a bit weak... >=20 Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? The Logan --=20 Nutters with cream filled confection weaponry are to be feared, not questio= ned. -- Ian C. Blenke, SLUG List Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-F/BSbQjFYs6h0vrFS4fj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFMC9T3OecGqSbkyMRAim8AKCq/4/Bk7roFIHstEWIrGpqY8ibpgCgm6WM 21SLIc0HTGeEsoOIQUPxqIE= =DAss -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-F/BSbQjFYs6h0vrFS4fj-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 20:34:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0YiDf005123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E0YiOY005122 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0YhMp005118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0Yhtr018378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E0YLO6015164 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:21 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E0YKdN003842 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610140034.k9E0YKdN003842@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:35:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <1160785747.23691.13.camel@cthulhu> Thread-Index: AcbvKBleE5NahcZORIKwlpiLvUyCQgAAIJzA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.824, required 6, AWL -1.82, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? Sure... http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Logan Tygart Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:29 PM To: SLUG Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 19:59 -0400, xcalibre Egregiously top posted: > That a bit weak also she uses Photoshop and a Duron is a bit weak... > Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? The Logan -- Nutters with cream filled confection weaponry are to be feared, not questioned. -- Ian C. Blenke, SLUG List Registered Linux User: 277727 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 22:36:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E2anhr014263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:36:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E2amel014262 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:36:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E2amXj014258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:36:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E2amFZ032510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:36:48 -0400 Received: from web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.164]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k9E2aQeo011137 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:36:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 98627 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2006 02:36:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DgLVQZM8004NRLKZC6ylrfHfMLCx9YCTawOXxnv2kywwwZG3vLN8uqeXx8veniUmTa+OrfFIqRlVGYYaPm8HJ0Y1KrWP2tMRrDzttDsh7FPdx/OKx0+L2E72ANYdzB44C57jZH6YYRCjXvTOg1vQSBpYcq7uTUviCWzhfxoxkhc= ; Message-ID: <20061014023625.98625.qmail@web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.44] by web31001.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:36:25 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: RE: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200610132259.k9DMxka9028938@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.408, required 6, AWL -0.59, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks, I already have them and have been there but I don't want to build it myself, I want it already made. My skill at building this kind of stuff sucks. I have tried and failed, so I need something pre-made. William --- Ken Elliott wrote: > >> I was looking for something more like distro watch for linux. Is there > something like that for windows? > > Not exactly what you asked for, but here's two good utility sites: > > http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ > > http://www.sysinternals.com/ > > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 5:25 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site > > Thanks for the links but I was looking for something more like distro watch > for linux. Is there something like that for windows? > > William > > --- Maurice Wilson wrote: > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 22:40:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E2eG1C014312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:40:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E2eGZu014311 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:40:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E2eFe8014307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:40:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E2eFkt032653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:40:15 -0400 Received: from web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.173]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k9E2dxXl025448 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:40:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 29532 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Oct 2006 02:39:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cNbnw23hbp2V04oCHWhKP0XqbLDkJhefYRzgfqf22L44ASFsJFDWvEZr7DiI5nI4coXoqwjvYeducll8FS0DDqZKhZIPYMymRgrSJXFCqFi3WmDAj1pf3wAK7OP3jdESLsGvrXDyzwhOYi3k3275BcFHQZW4wmo5IuHEtUjn7lc= ; Message-ID: <20061014023959.29530.qmail@web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.160.44] by web31010.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:39:59 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: ISO web site To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <002801c6ef26$683d4780$0300a8c0@athlon2400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.11, required 6, BAYES_05 -1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have seen this one before and I perfer to work in command line mode. It runs better on older equipment and it reminds me of linux. William --- James wrote: > While Bart Pe is pretty good you still have to use a windows cd to make the > bootable ISO. What i have found that is better for diagonistics and repairs > is this website. > > http://www.ubcd4win.com/ > > JamesS > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Does anybody know of a web site that lists boot cds or rescue cds. > > Something like distro watch > > but with windows tools. > > William > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 23:18:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3I1W0015943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:18:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E3I10d015942 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:18:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3I0aB015934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:18:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3I0AC002647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:18:00 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3HbH6015910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:17:38 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GYa1k-0004Ad-JF for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:17:32 -0400 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200610140034.k9E0YKdN003842@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200610140034.k9E0YKdN003842@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-tJA7LSi/coR3rcgmCEg8" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:16:57 -0400 Message-Id: <1160795817.23691.16.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.183, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-tJA7LSi/coR3rcgmCEg8 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:35 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? >=20 > Sure... >=20 > http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html=20 >=20 Oh, it's that crossover crap. Doesn't run natively. Bummer. I'll stick with the GIMP. The Logan --=20 I installed a skylight in my apartment...The people who live above me are f= urious. -- Steven Wright Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-tJA7LSi/coR3rcgmCEg8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFMFao3OecGqSbkyMRAu3JAKCEplI/abGVgSyzqqZ5CMikQHD1pQCeMkR4 VSDfHg2piRZw+G9YC9XlT5A= =CRqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-tJA7LSi/coR3rcgmCEg8-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 13 23:47:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3lMlr017947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:47:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E3lMFx017946 for slug-track29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:47:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3lLmu017936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:47:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3lLPW004477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:47:21 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E3l7m9011505 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:47:08 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so1760151nfc for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KwiTzayeNZ0CjA2AvmCa5E8AdK5X8d+kE0YfYIUvpvXz5p7MPZL2Ladl8xkZU4CgwXl6hO86P5jHqObNQKZ9B+nMG5wzt4RRzLKNUxb2q3KcRRchqAdGZYzYOjZZ1PTUKRIZEBV/sHvvVcZMCrRZe4LdLCerv4P49tff/BJl1sM= Received: by 10.78.151.15 with SMTP id y15mr4666863hud; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.116.1 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:47:06 -0700 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] What do you all think? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40913_21140987.1160797626904" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.376, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_40913_21140987.1160797626904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I came across this article on Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? -- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. ------=_Part_40913_21140987.1160797626904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I came across this article on Forbes:  http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss
Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant?

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It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy.
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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 00:10:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4A8Ct020205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:10:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E4A8J1020204 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:10:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4A7fi020200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:10:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4A7Qw007330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:10:07 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.88]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E49Tsn014017 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:09:30 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.174.24]) by bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:09:29 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:09:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.174.200 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:09:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.101.144.224] X-Originating-Email: [mason_mullins@hotmail.com] X-Sender: mason_mullins@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> From: "Mason Mullins" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] What do you all think? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:09:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2006 04:09:29.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B8A8CA0:01C6EF46] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.563, required 6, AWL -2.79, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, J_CHICKENPOX_71 0.60, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looks like just another FUD site to me, this time from a turncoat. Amazinf=g what money can do huh? Mason Linux: because a PC is a terrible thing to waste. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Robert Waldo" Reply-To: slug@nks.net To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] What do you all think? Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:47:06 -0700 I came across this article on Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? -- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 00:15:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4FTLM020288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:15:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E4FTv5020287 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:15:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4FSku020283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:15:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4FS0U008363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:15:28 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4FDC2012031 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:15:13 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7300BHYYGHZK70@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:14:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:14:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? In-reply-to: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.778, required 6, AWL -1.22, BAYES_80 2.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, Robert Waldo wrote: > I came across this article on Forbes: > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss > Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux > or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? Unfortunately: ,-- | Please log in to access this article: | | Toppling Linux | by Daniel Lyons | Software radical Richard Stallman helped build the Linux revolution. Now | he threatens to tear it apart. '-- Got a synopsis? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 00:21:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4LegW020908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E4LeC3020905 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4Ldn1020897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4Lc20009566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:38 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E4LABD001759 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:10 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1363704pyf for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=VUM9Bv/r+BLGYxIouccXddWKKJ3PCIGq9qGqojkWXkwbPyPAWqmsi98Z6FDKxWimUUDaFRjOODifY+UCx0HWi3Vu4ZfE+NJsN887fOA8IdCNV7DOP9Lwe8s7pB9lwB4KBLCJxdx18QycKnhLnVGrvvO/F+FOr5EqXSJwEWHGwUY= Received: by 10.35.72.1 with SMTP id z1mr7199133pyk; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.129.10 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860610132121v34bca4f9oada05f8faa3708de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:21:09 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Print to local printer from Terminal Services on Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45070_11922480.1160799669644" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.221, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.22, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_45070_11922480.1160799669644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a windows2000 termina server and I now have 3 people who use linux who have to connect to this server. MS Automatic printer redicrection service works well almost never on windows so it sure does not support linux. Does anyone know of a piece of softwar that is a third party software that acts as a go between for terminal server and linux. I found others for windows like ScrewDrivers v4 UniPrint Print-IT But nothing for linux ? Any help would be grateful not this is not a Critix terminal but the standard MS Terminal services running RDP ------=_Part_45070_11922480.1160799669644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I have a windows2000 termina server and I now have 3 people who use linux  who have to connect to this server.  MS Automatic printer redicrection service works well almost never on windows so it sure does not support linux.  Does anyone know of a piece of softwar that is a third party software that acts as a go between for terminal server and linux.  I found others for windows like
 
ScrewDrivers v4
UniPrint
Print-IT
 
But nothing for linux ?
 
Any help would be grateful not this is not a Critix terminal but the standard MS Terminal services running RDP
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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 01:27:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E5RURV025025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:27:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9E5RUwH025024 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:27:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E5RTXC025020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:27:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E5RSJb019567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:27:29 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9E5R5LP000987 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:27:06 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1378163pyf for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:26:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=X9GLzChj1J6ALtKWW+NuDg3qZ8y1JkQWWsFBRz6lrqNkh14yIirtoCdKmrnhdyiB+yVObGm0NbMbMAJthVDFxLi0l0Mk0A/N8q4aaq6lyTG76QLE2g32jzbH/BTNtyyhULU4GGFnFUoBAfs7BjcVadlFkfpK+lY85yfXqxR6Xu4= Received: by 10.65.212.19 with SMTP id o19mr6268121qbq; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.233.15 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:26:31 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.727, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.73) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/14/06, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, Robert Waldo wrote: > > > I came across this article on Forbes: > > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss > > Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux > > or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? > > Unfortunately: > > ,-- > | Please log in to access this article: > | > | Toppling Linux > | by Daniel Lyons > | Software radical Richard Stallman helped build the Linux revolution. Now > | he threatens to tear it apart. > '-- > > Got a synopsis? > > -- > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > > A: It's annoying as hell > > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger > http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Quote: Software radical Richard Stallman helped build the Linux revolution. Now he threatens to tear it apart. The free Linux operating system set off one of the biggest revolutions in the history of computing when it leapt from the fingertips of a Finnish college kid named Linus Torvalds 15 years ago. Linux now drives $15 billion in annual sales of hardware, software and services, and this wondrous bit of code has been tweaked by thousands of independent programmers to run the world's most powerful supercomputers, the latest cell phones and TiVo (nasdaq: TIVO - news - people ) video recorders and other gadgets. But while Torvalds has been enshrined as the Linux movement's creator, a lesser-known programmer--infamously more obstinate and far more eccentric than Torvalds--wields a startling amount of control as this revolution's resident enforcer. Richard M. Stallman is a 53-year-old anticorporate crusader who has argued for 20 years that most software should be free of charge. He and a band of anarchist acolytes long have waged war on the commercial software industry, dubbing tech giants "evil" and "enemies of freedom" because they rake in sales and enforce patents and copyrights--when he argues they should be giving it all away. Reader Forum: Discuss This Article Despite that utopian anticapitalist bent, Linux and the "open-source" software movement have lured billions of dollars of investment from IBM, Hewlett-Packard (nyse: HPQ - news - people ), Red Hat (nasdaq: RHAT - news - people ) and other tech vendors, plus corporate customers such as Wall Street banks, Google (nasdaq: GOOG - news - people ) and Amazon (nasdaq: AMZN - news - people ) and Hollywood special-effects shops. IBM has spent a billion dollars embracing Linux, using it as a counterweight to the Microsoft (nasdaq: MSFT - news - people ) Windows monopoly and to Sun Microsystems (nasdaq: SUNW - news - people )' Unix-based business. Now Stallman is waging a new crusade that could end up toppling the revolution he helped create. He aims to impose new restrictions on IBM and any other tech firm that distributes software using even a single line of Linux code. They would be forbidden from using Linux software to block users from infringing on copyright and intellectual-property rights ("digital rights management"); and they would be barred from suing over alleged patent infringements related to Linux. Stallman's hold on the Linux movement stems from the radical group he formed in 1985: the Free Software Foundation. The Boston outfit, which he still runs, is guided by a "manifesto" he published that year, urging programmers (hackers) to join his socialist crusade. The group made Stallman a cult hero among hackers--and ended up holding licensing rights to crucial software components that make up the Linux system. Stallman hopes to use that licensing power to slap the new restraints on the big tech vendors he so reviles. At worst it could split the Linux movement in two--one set of suppliers and customers deploying an older Linux version under the easier rules and a second world using a newer version governed by the new restrictions. That would threaten billions of dollars in Linux investment by customers and vendors alike. Click here to see which tech companies Stallman's attack could hurt. A cantankerous and finger-wagging freewheeler, Stallman won't comment on any of this because he was upset by a previous story written by this writer. But his brazen gambit already is roiling the hacker world. His putsch "has the potential to inflict massive collateral damage upon our entire ecosystem and jeopardize the very utility and survival of open source," says a paper published in September by key Linux developers, who "implore" Stallman to back down. "This is not an exaggeration," says James Bottomley, the paper's chief author. "There is significant danger to going down this path." (Stallman's camp claims Bottomley's paper contains "inaccurate information.") Simon Lok, chief of Lok Technology in San Jose, Calif., a maker of cheap wireless-networking gear, dumped Linux a few years ago in fear of the Stallman bunch. "I said, 'One day these jackasses will do something extreme, and it's going to kill us.' Now it's coming to fruition," Lok says. "Some of this stuff is just madness. These guys are fanatics." He adds: "Who do these people think they are?" Even the Linux program's progenitor and namesake, Linus Torvalds, rejects Stallman's new push to force tech companies to design their software his way and to abandon patent rights. Torvalds vows to stick with the old license terms, thereby threatening the split that tech vendors so fear. The new license terms Stallman proposes "are trying to move back into a more 'radical' and 'activist' direction," Torvalds says via e-mail. "I think it's great when people have ideals--but ideals (like religion) are a hell of a lot better when they are private. I'm more pragmatic." But then, Richard Stallman rarely is pragmatic--and in some ways he is downright bizarre. He is corpulent and slovenly, with long, scraggly hair, strands of which he has been known to pluck out and toss into a bowl of soup he is eating. His own Web site (www.stallman.org) says Stallman engages in what he calls "rhinophytophilia"--"nasal sex" (also his term) with flowers; he brags of offending a bunch of techies from Texas Instruments (nyse: TXN - news - people ) by plunging his schnoz into a bouquet at dinner and inviting them to do the same. His site also boasts a recording of him singing--a capella and badly--his own anthem to free software. ("Hoarders can get piles of money / that is true, hackers, that is true. / But they cannot help their neighbors, that's not good, hackers, that's not gooood," he warbles, which culminates in polite applause from his followers.) He hasn't hacked much new code in a decade or more. Instead he travels the world to give speeches and pull publicity stunts, donning robes and a halo to appear as a character he calls "St. IGNUcius" and offer blessings to his followers. (GNU, coined in his first manifesto, is pronounced "Ga-NEW" and stands for "Gnu's Not Unix"; the central Linux license is known as the GNU license.) And though he styles himself as a crusader for tech "freedom," Stallman labors mightily to control how others think, speak and act, arguing, in Orwellian doublespeak, that his rules are necessary for people to be "free." He won't speak to reporters unless they agree to call the operating system "GNU/Linux," not Linux. He urges his adherents to avoid such terms as "intellectual property" and touts "four freedoms" he has sworn to defend, numbering them 0, 1, 2 and 3. In June Stallman attempted to barge into the residence of the French prime minister to protest a copyright bill, then unrolled a petition in a Paris street while his adoring fans snapped photos. Long ago Stallman was a gifted programmer. A 1974 graduate of Harvard with a degree in physics, he began graduate school at Massachusetts Institute of Technology but dropped out and took a job in an MIT lab. There he grew furious that companies wouldn't let him tinker with the code in their products. A Xerox (nyse: XRX - news - people ) laser printer was a key culprit. In the early 1980s he called on hackers to fight their oppressors by helping him create a free clone of Unix, naming it GNU. Stallman and his allies hacked away for nearly a decade but couldn't get GNU to work. In 1991 Torvalds, then an unknown college kid in Finland, produced in six months what Stallman's team had failed to build in years--a working "kernel" for an operating system. Torvalds posted this tiny 230-kilobyte file containing 10,000 lines of code to a public server, dubbing it "Linux" and inviting anyone to use it. Soon people were combining Torvalds' Linux kernel with Stallman's GNU components to make a complete operating system. The program was a hit. But to Stallman's dismay people referred to it as Linux, not GNU. Torvalds became famous. Stallman got pushed aside. The ultimate insult came in 1999 when his Free Software Foundation was given a "Linus Torvalds Award." Stallman accepted but said it was "like giving the Han Solo award to the Rebel Alliance." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 07:40:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EBePE2017414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:40:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EBePPD017413 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:40:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EBeOj9017409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:40:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EBeOQ4018617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:40:24 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EBe5vp026365 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:40:10 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED1FEE98F for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:40:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610140034.k9E0YKdN003842@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <1160795817.23691.16.camel@cthulhu> In-Reply-To: <1160795817.23691.16.camel@cthulhu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610140740.02199.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.011, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 13 October 2006 23:16, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:35 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > > >> Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? > > > > Sure... > > > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html > > Oh, it's that crossover crap. Doesn't run natively. Eh, correction. That crossover crap is having it run natively. > Bummer. > > I'll stick with the GIMP. > > The Logan -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 08:07:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EC7cv0018017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:07:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EC7cTK018016 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:07:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EC7b9s018012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:07:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EC72cl021010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:07:35 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EC6F81024492 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:06:16 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so1467989pyf for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 05:05:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cVaSxvAqf4nMSCDCemRkdvc471r8b6Z95yDxfnZOaqJGIBeb3PNl4xNUsN7WcPI8wk4+d4x/Np2el1e7FEunInb6oKnpc9YuLcEDYALtpeVvUz1UDoxoEkyBgBY6/BvkzEvyJzL/jL8MwWFCqLicj1jBfPsUUr+1AANrNmpK9VU= Received: by 10.35.98.6 with SMTP id a6mr7961589pym; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 05:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.129.10 with HTTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 05:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860610140505r2d5897a9u7dd60c96e172b60f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:05:42 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help In-Reply-To: <200610140740.02199.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_47335_23715034.1160827542120" References: <200610140034.k9E0YKdN003842@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <1160795817.23691.16.camel@cthulhu> <200610140740.02199.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.221, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.02, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_47335_23715034.1160827542120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/14/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Friday 13 October 2006 23:16, Logan Tygart wrote: > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:35 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > > > >> Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? > > > > > > Sure... > > > > > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html > > > > Oh, it's that crossover crap. Doesn't run natively. > > Eh, correction. That crossover crap is having it run natively. No it running through an emulation layer. Logan ment natively as in writen to run on linux, not written for windows and tricked into runing on linux. > Bummer. > > > > I'll stick with the GIMP. > > > > The Logan > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be > capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. > A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. > From the Declaration Principles > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 10/14/06, steve szmidt <steve@szmidt.org> wrote:
On Friday 13 October 2006 23:16, Logan Tygart wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:35 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote:
> > >>  Photoshop runs on top of Linux now?
> >
> > Sure...
> >
> > http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html
>
> Oh, it's that crossover crap. Doesn't run natively.

Eh, correction. That crossover crap is having it run natively.
 
No it running through an emulation layer.  Logan ment natively as in writen to run on linux, not written for windows and tricked into runing on linux.

> Bummer.
>
> I'll stick with the GIMP.
>
> The Logan

--

Steve Szmidt

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capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control.
A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty.
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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 09:25:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EDP2KP021525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:25:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EDP2YG021524 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:25:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EDP1W1021516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:25:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EDP1Sl027066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:25:01 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.220]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EDOfqJ011308 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:24:42 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.108]) by bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:24:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 06:24:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 13:24:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 09:24:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2006 13:24:41.0291 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AF219B0:01C6EF94] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.275, required 6, AWL -1.48, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "chris lee" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? >Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:26:31 -0400 > >Quote: > >Software radical Richard Stallman helped build the Linux revolution. >Now he threatens to tear it apart. >The free Linux operating system set off one of the biggest . . . > What a bunch of nonsense. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 10:04:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EE41tR024080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:04:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EE40xS024079 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:04:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EE40If024075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:04:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EE40Db029767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:04:00 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EE3dIW009526 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:03:39 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061014140340.PTXH10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:03:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id aE3M1V00S4g4wUs0000000 Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:03:21 -0400 Message-ID: <45308BED.2000305@cox.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:04:13 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help References: <200610140034.k9E0YKdN003842@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <1160795817.23691.16.camel@cthulhu> In-Reply-To: <1160795817.23691.16.camel@cthulhu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.779, required 6, AWL -1.66, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Logan Tygart wrote: > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:35 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > >>>> Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? >>>> >> Sure... >> >> http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html >> >> > > Oh, it's that crossover crap. Doesn't run natively. > > Bummer. > > I'll stick with the GIMP. > > The Logan > I prefer the GIMP anyway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.876, required 6, AWL -1.56, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in > Linux or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? > I defy you to diagram that sentence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 10:22:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEMbUe024544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:22:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EEMb1j024543 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:22:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEMaCX024539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:22:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEMagN030869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:22:36 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEM9qG016429 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:22:09 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A358D17588F for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:21:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610140034.k9E0YKdN003842@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> <200610140740.02199.steve@szmidt.org> <31f129860610140505r2d5897a9u7dd60c96e172b60f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f129860610140505r2d5897a9u7dd60c96e172b60f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610141022.00324.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.329, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.27, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 14 October 2006 08:05, Robert Snyder wrote: > On 10/14/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Friday 13 October 2006 23:16, Logan Tygart wrote: > > > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:35 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > > > > >> Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? > > > > > > > > Sure... > > > > > > > > http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html > > > > > > Oh, it's that crossover crap. Doesn't run natively. > > > > Eh, correction. That crossover crap is having it run natively. > > No it running through an emulation layer. Logan ment natively as in writen > to run on linux, not written for windows and tricked into runing on linux. No I understand, the point being it's not running through any emulation at all. This is a library written for Linux which allows for win32 code to run natively under Linux. Not an emulator at all, as an emulator translates code. Here we have a library which win32 code can run without any translation. Now I prefer to run under Linux too, even though Gimp is missing the color capabilities of Photoshop. > > Bummer. > > > > > I'll stick with the GIMP. > > > > > > The Logan > > > > -- > > > > Steve Szmidt > > > > "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be > > capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. > > A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. > > From the Declaration Principles > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 10:25:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEPhRW024715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EEPh0H024714 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEPg8R024710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:25:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEPgRo031108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:25:42 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEP90g019612 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:25:09 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C1F195530 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:25:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610141025.07242.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.011, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 13 October 2006 23:47, Robert Waldo wrote: > I came across this article on Forbes: > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss > Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux > or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? No he's not. Even if he wanted to he could not. This is one of the advantages of Linux, no one man can ruin it for the rest of us. If Linus got on some psych drug and went nuts and proclaimed that Linux is evil and must not be used anymore, it would only cause noise as the rest of us could happily continue without him. True, he might slow down certain development by not contributing anymore, but that's about it. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 10:37:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEbK2i025628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:37:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EEbKcu025627 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:37:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEbKah025623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:37:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEbJpc031993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:37:19 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EEaxSq006254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:37:00 -0400 Received: from www.heavysystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9EEawqb027037 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:36:59 -0400 Received: from 192.168.1.74 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmorgan) by www.heavysystems.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39575.192.168.1.74.1160836619.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? From: "Rich Morgan" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.481, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.48, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On 10/14/06, Eben King wrote: > Quote: > > Software radical Richard Stallman helped build the Linux revolution. > Now he threatens to tear it apart. > The free Linux operating system set off one of the biggest revolutions > in the history of computing when it leapt from the fingertips of a > Finnish college kid named Linus Torvalds 15 years ago. Linux now > drives $15 billion in annual sales of hardware, software and services, > and this wondrous bit of code has been tweaked by thousands of > independent programmers to run the world's most powerful > supercomputers, the latest cell phones and TiVo (nasdaq: TIVO - news - > people ) video recorders and other gadgets. Hmm, it looks like a propoganda piece. RMS is a radical person and there are differences between him and Linus over the new GPL but this article is over the top. While RMS has done a great deal for the free software movement, it doesn't belong to any *one* person. This movement is now bigger than you, me, Alan Cox, RMS, Linus even IBM who has donated so much to the cause. I believe that's why IBM and other rational companies support OSS - nobody can hijack the code. It can always be forked, modified or rewritten. As a side note, I wonder how hard (or not) it was for the author to track down a technology company who dropped Linux purely because of Richard Stallman's antics. Lok Technology?? Come on... -Rich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 12:17:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EGHK6e028853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:17:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9EGHKLd028852 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:17:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EGHJPl028848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:17:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EGHJTL005933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:17:19 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9EGGvXd003872 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:58 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EGGu4e001834 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610141616.k9EGGu4e001834@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Need Help Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:18:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <45308BED.2000305@cox.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-Index: AcbvmnOYJnp/kFEKRSyC42O5O7gz5AAEUZ5g X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.598, required 6, AWL -1.05, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I prefer the GIMP anyway. Not me. GIMP is a great program, but simply doesn't compare to Photoshop. I use both, but for heavy lifting (16-bit Nikon NEF RAW files and HDR), Photoshop is without equal in the world. Wish it wasn't that way, since there is a lot to dislike about Adobe. That being said, I prefer the GIMPshop hack of GIMP. It's interface is a bit more friendly to Photoshop users. If you have to use both, or come from a Photoshop background, GIMPshop is much easier to use. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of michael hast Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 3:04 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help Logan Tygart wrote: > On Fri, 2006-10-13 at 20:35 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > >>>> Photoshop runs on top of Linux now? >>>> >> Sure... >> >> http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT7770280571.html >> >> > > Oh, it's that crossover crap. Doesn't run natively. > > Bummer. > > I'll stick with the GIMP. > > The Logan > I prefer the GIMP anyway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 20:09:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F09EQW026130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:09:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9F09Ef4026129 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:09:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F09DhH026125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:09:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F09DZQ009789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:09:13 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F091be028327 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:09:01 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061015000901.SQIH16408.centrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:09:01 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id aQ8i1V00c4g4wUs0000000 Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: <453119D0.8070903@cox.net> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:09:36 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need Help References: <200610141616.k9EGGu4e001834@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200610141616.k9EGGu4e001834@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.905, required 6, AWL -1.53, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: >>> I prefer the GIMP anyway. >>> > > Not me. GIMP is a great program, but simply doesn't compare to Photoshop. I > use both, but for heavy lifting (16-bit Nikon NEF RAW files and HDR), > Photoshop is without equal in the world. Wish it wasn't that way, since > there is a lot to dislike about Adobe. > > That being said, I prefer the GIMPshop hack of GIMP. It's interface is a > bit more friendly to Photoshop users. If you have to use both, or come from > a Photoshop background, GIMPshop is much easier to use. > > Ken Elliott > > Now that I can believe. Of all the image editing I've done, I've never gotten into the whole heavy-line stuff like RAW and that sort of thing. I've pretty much stuck to the amateur copy, crop, cut & paste stuff. For that, the GIMP reigns supreme in my book. (especially for the price!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 14 21:54:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F1sE4W001120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:54:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9F1sE7n001119 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:54:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F1sEIv001115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:54:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F1sDaI017415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:54:14 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9F1rpqx023043 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:53:54 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J750054LML9L9A3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:53:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 21:53:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] IR transciever X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: IrDA (infrared) subsystem support --->". That's cool; I'd like the ability to print from Linux even if I forget my USB cable, as I can do in XP. In that section, I see protocols (IrLAN, IrCOMM, and Ultra (connectionless) ), and low-level drivers, of which there are too many to transcribe. From the blurbs, it seems IrCOMM is what I want (is that correct?), but how do I figure out the correct driver? lspci shows nothing about IR. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 15:07:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJ75ku022890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:07:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9FJ75i6022889 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:07:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJ74sI022885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:07:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJ74tL015624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:07:04 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJ6bZm019894 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:06:41 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J76008I3YE8W7Z3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:06:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:06:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] Linux on a flash drive X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:16:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9FJG5TQ022959 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:16:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJG0HI022943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:16:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJG0TH016325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:16:00 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJFN05024047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:24 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9FJFLPn014565 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:21 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4/Submit) id k9FJFL52014562; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:21 -0400 From: rmorgan@heavysystems.com Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on a flash drive To: slug@nks.net Cc: X-Originating-IP: 192.168.1.74 X-Mailer: Webmin 1.300 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1160939721.14560@eagle> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bound1160939721" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.363, required 6, AWL -1.14, BAYES_40 -0.18, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --bound1160939721 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eben King wrote .. > So, flash drives have a limited number of writes before they die, so what > can I do? What writes they do have are very slow. Why don't you set up ramdisks for the temp filesystems you need to write to? -Rich --bound1160939721-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 15:27:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJRfns023294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:27:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9FJRf5R023293 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:27:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJRfbU023289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:27:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJRedo017457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:27:40 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FJRLCK023212 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:27:21 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7600ALXZDG8UF0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:27:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 15:27:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux on a flash drive In-reply-to: <1160939721.14560@eagle> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.544, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.05, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, rmorgan@heavysystems.com wrote: > Eben King wrote .. >> So, flash drives have a limited number of writes before they die, so what >> can I do? What writes they do have are very slow. > > Why don't you set up ramdisks for the temp filesystems you need to write to? I think tmpfs does a similar thing. Dunno which is better yet. I'm also wondering about things like /var/run and /var/lock, that aren't needed over reboot. Maybe those should be on a RAMdisk too. 1GB RAM ought to be enough... -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 19:11:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNBEFO006826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:11:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9FNBEHH006825 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:11:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNBEeZ006821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:11:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNBDlj001906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:11:13 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNAkj5010800 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:10:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (27-82.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.125.82.27]) by postalmail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9B04B7C1 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 16:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:11:03 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? Message-ID: <20061015231103.GA4169@frey.asgard> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Thu Oct 12 19:06:37 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 19:06:37 up 8 min, 7 users, load average: 0.03, 0.06, 0.02 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.23, required 6, AWL -0.37, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Robert Waldo on Friday, October 13, 2006 at 08:47PM -0700: > I came across this article on Forbes: > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss > Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux > or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? > Dan Lyons has been a FUD troll for years... I don't think anyone takes him seriously. -- Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect. -- Linus Torvalds - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 19:32:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNWQHD008450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9FNWQEk008449 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNWQ3T008445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNWPwj003351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:25 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9FNWAtX022209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:10 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50220 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZFSp-0008DJ-1b for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866BE56BE7 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:32:07 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Javascript Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.787, required 6, AWL -0.37, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: I'd like to have a form where the user enters a number, generates an onChange() event, and the form beneath creates a set of text input blanks corresponding to the number the user entered. All dynamically, not generated by pushing a button first. I've been checking my texts and googling, and I must be missing something. -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 20:34:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G0YcQp012238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:34:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G0Ycid012237 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:34:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G0YcWA012233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:34:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G0YbXM007564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:34:38 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G0YE3A003762 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:34:14 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1484504wxc for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:34:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N5gC4Wz9EhTPiDZAnphCECD5TkMlguQymYjfo5xJEwVmKDa0lAmDNjtTSEje/SRu6/cHiEQQE5eI5k7nwcic7h3UPz0g4IVNo9XWmLYQ1/FmFMYSgppDucq5Z2jVtbGRxTJLrLgSDRQnpGqVwYDhMmD33G7dQ2S6F0jsrsLs82Q= Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr3170135agb; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610151734k2d214295jb4d2e871173fd633@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:34:14 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem In-Reply-To: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_203920_4518870.1160958854259" References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.601, required 6, AWL -0.29, BAYES_05 -1.11, HTML_00_10 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_203920_4518870.1160958854259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul, Where are you having the problem? Converting the text to an integer, constructing the string, using the onchange event, updating the value in the form field below to contain the string of spaces, or what? Hard to know what you are missing when you don't say what you have. Writing a complete answer for you without more information would probably be doing you a disservice (this sounds like it might be homework related?). ~ Daniel ------=_Part_203920_4518870.1160958854259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul,

Where are you having the problem?  Converting the text to an integer, constructing the string, using the onchange event, updating the value in the form field below to contain the string of spaces, or what?  Hard to know what you are missing when you don't say what you have.  Writing a complete answer for you without more information would probably be doing you a disservice (this sounds like it might be homework related?).

~ Daniel


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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 21:31:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1VjJR015261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G1VjnG015260 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1Vjvt015256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1Vi3N011244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:44 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1VcAO003594 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:38 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G1VamN023627 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GZHKK-00054A-8X for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:36 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:31:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0610151734k2d214295jb4d2e871173fd633@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0610151734k2d214295jb4d2e871173fd633@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610152131.35733.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.703, required 6, AWL -0.10, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 October 2006 20:34, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > Paul, > > Where are you having the problem? Converting the text to an integer, > constructing the string, using the onchange event, updating the value in > the form field below to contain the string of spaces, or what? Hard to > know what you are missing when you don't say what you have. Writing a > complete answer for you without more information would probably be doing > you a disservice (this sounds like it might be homework related?). That would be some practical homework the likes of which University education has never heard of. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 21:34:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1YnIu015496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G1Ynug015495 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1YmPW015491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1YmdZ011425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:48 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G1YaFM003624 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:36 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G1YZMl005116 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GZHNC-00054J-Pb for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:34 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:34:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.549, required 6, AWL -0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 October 2006 19:32, Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > I'd like to have a form where the user enters a number, generates an > onChange() event, and the form beneath creates a set of text input > blanks corresponding to the number the user entered. All dynamically, > not generated by pushing a button first. I've been checking my texts and > googling, and I must be missing something. That sounds nontrivial. I'd suggest reading up on the Prototype JavaScript framework popular with and distributed with Rails, but fully functional in its own right. It ought to ease the development effort when implementing the required functionality to perform your desired actions. It's possible I can be more vague with less information, perhaps by removing the word 'javascript' from the original post. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 22:03:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G23dZg017784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:03:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G23dMq017783 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:03:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G23cVA017777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:03:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G23Yd8013670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:03:36 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G23DOD009052 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:03:13 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1500862wxc for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:03:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZJk5WdHkk5hWq7pxyKMeb5Ytwc/a12Fkg9zdJ65NIjPTq/lDK70kFNq2IBR1MbevZQpoNfTSANWVWsq4w6g6Kw5hbAQDcxlT7wkU1acWlGa48c68w5nB6f0ldBHOytZL5T0q464TOsdu104NKGPpBJo71G159WwEoDVmJSK4/hg= Received: by 10.90.54.20 with SMTP id c20mr3194481aga; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:03:12 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem In-Reply-To: <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_205452_29686951.1160964192579" References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.75, required 6, AWL -1.35, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_16 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_205452_29686951.1160964192579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ruby on Rails is way overkill for this... this is pretty basic client-side javascript functionality quick and dirty version below, season to taste
How many?
------=_Part_205452_29686951.1160964192579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ruby on Rails is way overkill for this... this is pretty basic client-side javascript functionality

quick and dirty version below, season to taste

<script type="text/javascript">
function update(source)
{ var i,number,temp=""
       // valid number, no-decimal
  if ( !isNaN(source.value) && (source.value.indexOf(".")==-1) &&
       // assign value to number and test greater than 0
       (number=parseInt(source.value,10))>0 )
  { for (i=0;i<number;i++)
      temp+="<input type='text' name='value"+i+"'><br>"
    document.getElementById("updateMe").innerHTML=temp
  }
  else
    alert("Error: Positive integer required")
}
</script>
<form>
How many? <input type=text onchange="update(this)">
<div id="updateMe">

</div>
</form>


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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 22:10:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2AbHF018130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G2Abho018129 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2Abog018124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2AaSs015602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:36 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2AAIA032314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:11 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50432 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZHvj-0003jG-Dx for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:15 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1E856BE8 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4532E9FF.3050004@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:10:07 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0610151734k2d214295jb4d2e871173fd633@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0610151734k2d214295jb4d2e871173fd633@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.634, required 6, AWL -0.52, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daniel Jarboe wrote: > Paul, > > Where are you having the problem? Converting the text to an integer, > constructing the string, using the onchange event, updating the value in > the form field below to contain the string of spaces, or what? Hard to > know what you are missing when you don't say what you have. Writing a > complete answer for you without more information would probably be doing > you a disservice (this sounds like it might be homework related?). > ??? 1) AFAIK, Javascript will blithely convert text entered into a text field into a numeric without any prompting, given the proper context. Example: the user enters '7' in a text field and Javascript will interpret it as 7. 2) Using the onChange event? Maybe. Though it's pretty straightforward-- The javascript is contained earlier in the file, between a matched pair of tags. Here's the original post: I'd like to have a form where the user enters a number, generates an onChange() event, and the form beneath creates a set of text input blanks corresponding to the number the user entered. All dynamically, not generated by pushing a button first. I've been checking my texts and googling, and I must be missing something. Further explained: Originally, the form has some fields on it, one of which is a field asking for a number. When the user enters a number in that field and then moves off of it (generating an onChange event), a space opens up somewhere else on the form with a number of text fields. If the user enters the number '3' in the blank, the onChange()/Javascript/etc. creates 3 text fields named, for example, 'field_1', 'field_2' and 'field_3'. Some hints: If you onChange() javascript generates calls to document.write(), it will force a new form to appear, not the modified original form. This is due to the way intrinsic event handlers work. So that way won't work. Apparently part of the solution to this may lie in having a span or other tag with an id that is known to the javascript, which it then can modify by creating the new fields within it. Honestly, I didn't think the original post was that vague, nor did I think this was non-trivial (for someone very familiar with DOM, Javascript, and maybe AJAX). I just don't happen to be fully familiar with all that stuff Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 22:21:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2LFDB018854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:21:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G2LFZk018853 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:21:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2LFSE018849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:21:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2LEWF018142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:21:14 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2L0OZ018475 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:21:00 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G2KtOJ001849 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GZI60-0006A6-3Z for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:20:52 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:20:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610152220.51718.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.846, required 6, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_16 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 October 2006 22:03, Daniel Jarboe wrote: > Ruby on Rails is way overkill for this... this is pretty basic client-side > javascript functionality I wasn't suggesting Rails, but rather Prototype. > quick and dirty version below, season to taste > > >
> How many? >
>
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 22:23:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2Nl4w019037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G2Nl1C019036 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2Nksb019032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2NkuM019033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:46 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2NSUG011042 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:28 -0400 Received: from nebula.internal.foo (rrcs-24-129-185-170.se.biz.rr.com [24.129.185.170]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G2NRXU002180 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from faith.internal.foo ([192.168.0.12]) by nebula.internal.foo with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GZI8V-0006Ae-D8 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:27 -0400 From: Jason Boxman Organization: The Vortex To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:23:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0610151734k2d214295jb4d2e871173fd633@mail.gmail.com> <4532E9FF.3050004@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <4532E9FF.3050004@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610152223.27036.jasonb@edseek.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.592, required 6, AWL 1.21, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 October 2006 22:10, Paul M Foster wrote: > Honestly, I didn't think the original post was that vague, nor did I > think this was non-trivial (for someone very familiar with DOM, > Javascript, and maybe AJAX). I just don't happen to be fully familiar > with all that stuff I found it hopelessly vague. -- Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 22:51:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2pePR020989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G2peOo020988 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2pdwY020984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2pd8G021647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:39 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G2pNgR014717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:23 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50469 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZIZc-0007FI-23 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:28 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD7B56BE7 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4532F3A8.4090603@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:51:20 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.196, required 6, AWL -0.82, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_16 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daniel Jarboe wrote: > Ruby on Rails is way overkill for this... this is pretty basic > client-side javascript functionality > > quick and dirty version below, season to taste > > >
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> > Thanks. This works as advertised, though minor changes break it. Hmm. It's all part of a large project to transfer our invoicing and such from FoxPro to PHP/PostgreSQL. Under the circumstances, AJAX and Javascript appear to be the ideal solutions to certain problems. I'm just not conversant enough with those technologies. So I'm trying to get a leg up (or two). -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 23:10:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3ABum022252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G3ABIl022251 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3AAsf022242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3A979023299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:09 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G39UpR019435 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:09:35 -0400 Received: from 132.sub-70-219-57.myvzw.com ([70.219.57.132]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J77005NUKR97HK0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:11 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem In-reply-to: <4532F3A8.4090603@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610152310.11869.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> <4532F3A8.4090603@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.07, required 6, AWL -0.67, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_16 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 October 2006 22:51, Paul M Foster wrote: > Daniel Jarboe wrote: > > Ruby on Rails is way overkill for this... this is pretty basic > > client-side javascript functionality > > > > quick and dirty version below, season to taste > > > > > >
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> > Thanks. This works as advertised, though minor changes break it. Hmm. > > It's all part of a large project to transfer our invoicing and such from > FoxPro to PHP/PostgreSQL. Under the circumstances, AJAX and Javascript > appear to be the ideal solutions to certain problems. I'm just not > conversant enough with those technologies. So I'm trying to get a leg up > (or two). Hi Paul! If it is in FoxPro now, pose the question on and see what answers you get there. Free to subscribe to ProFox. If you hate off-topic subscribe to the tech version, off-topic posts are filtered out. Regards, Pete ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 23:10:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3ApZI022306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G3Aptl022305 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3Aoio022295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3AnGL023363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:49 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.225]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3AWV9019649 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:32 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1513359wxc for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:10:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TcR1aP6SUFMJcOzKrzDSZdpVoJnPLxKF+V67synlP6W/ptWEz36LaVi/ziYn/n0wi24J3mCSFB0AQ7Hfn1AxgGHuZp/QNwUVolzAusLyUu3TyPjMubT7kLu1bADMMCPkWt9Rfva9kNfOyI5f2lnDK2jMHy3hZjqvAmhAEpHXFAE= Received: by 10.90.49.19 with SMTP id w19mr3175138agw; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610152010u6325a788r15f90e0d2ed54f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:10:31 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem In-Reply-To: <4532F3A8.4090603@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> <4532F3A8.4090603@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.69, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.69, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Thanks. This works as advertised, though minor changes break it. Hmm. You're welcome. Minor changes like what? If you modify code so it is no longer valid, then yes, it will stop working. That's what happens for any solution in any language. > It's all part of a large project to transfer our invoicing and such from > FoxPro to PHP/PostgreSQL. Under the circumstances, AJAX and Javascript > appear to be the ideal solutions to certain problems. I'm just not > conversant enough with those technologies. So I'm trying to get a leg up > (or two). It sounds like you've already decided on your tools. Fortunately, PHP/Javascript/DOM are popular and well-documented, good luck. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 15 23:32:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3WCoV023895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:32:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G3WCPP023894 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:32:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3WCBj023890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:32:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3WCk5025134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:32:12 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G3VrRH011699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:31:54 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50510 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZJCj-0001YE-Kb for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:31:53 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1243C56BE7 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4532FD21.2090001@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:31:45 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> <4532F3A8.4090603@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0610152010u6325a788r15f90e0d2ed54f7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <125d27dd0610152010u6325a788r15f90e0d2ed54f7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.653, required 6, AWL -0.50, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Daniel Jarboe wrote: >> Thanks. This works as advertised, though minor changes break it. Hmm. > > You're welcome. Minor changes like what? If you modify code so it is > no longer valid, then yes, it will stop working. That's what happens > for any solution in any language. For example, it you take out the if test and just convert the input to a number directly. Yeah, that makes it no longer valid somehow, but I'm not familiar enough with Javascript to understand why. > >> It's all part of a large project to transfer our invoicing and such from >> FoxPro to PHP/PostgreSQL. Under the circumstances, AJAX and Javascript >> appear to be the ideal solutions to certain problems. I'm just not >> conversant enough with those technologies. So I'm trying to get a leg up >> (or two). > > It sounds like you've already decided on your tools. Fortunately, > PHP/Javascript/DOM are popular and well-documented, good luck. Mainly PHP and PostgreSQL. PHP is *very* much like C, and I've programmed in C for years, so it's an easy transition. I just had to get used to the fact that the HTTP protocol does not store state information, so you have to carry it with you from page to page. With invoicing, the problem was that the user had to go to a screen an enter the number of line items he wanted on the invoice, then another screen that then showed the blanks for the line items. The javascript problem I originally posed was supposed to eliminate one more screen. The next issue is to fill in invoice defaults based on the user-selected customer record. The idea is to eliminate yet another screen. But that will require full on AJAX, and I'm still researching how to do AJAX with databases. Anyway, thanks again. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 00:23:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4N66d027487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:23:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G4N5s9027484 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:23:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4N4X4027474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:23:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4N4bt031500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:23:04 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4MkW3029982 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:22:47 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1525895wxc for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A29wbe3g+1aOczCrHYBmuAQCCvloA/FUyvNyCXUz2jHigNW40J+FXdlRXoXadnHEy9k8FwRxrwHniTm1V62BOHGl96tCy6vXx4VYt77zJ38ztS3byOIDlm5LHDbiuKkki2vJcuih5dTMjuL3EMUmP0XM0shzUcYVGeenkkXvfuA= Received: by 10.90.105.20 with SMTP id d20mr3184681agc; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610152122u54900570g3e0815172b9ccceb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:22:46 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Javascript Problem In-Reply-To: <4532FD21.2090001@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4532C4F7.7060900@quillandmouse.com> <200610152134.34426.jasonb@edseek.com> <125d27dd0610151903y151961aam174ea66970aaaa3d@mail.gmail.com> <4532F3A8.4090603@quillandmouse.com> <125d27dd0610152010u6325a788r15f90e0d2ed54f7@mail.gmail.com> <4532FD21.2090001@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.922, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > For example, it you take out the if test and just convert the input to a > number directly. If you eliminate all the input validation, you are left with number=parseInt(source.value,10) To give you some understanding of the road you are choosing: Client event triggers javascript which will initiate a XMLHttpRequest to your server (asynchronously, so the UI doesn't get hung up while the request makes its way back to the server and your server-side figures out how to respond). The server will process the request (perform your DB work and what have you), and return a response, the arrival of which will trigger whatever you specified for your javascript XMLHttpRequest callback function, which will take action to update the UI appropriately. During all that you will need to take care in dealing with things like: what the user is doing while you are waiting for the server response (and perhaps sending additional requests for your server?), what happens if you don't get a server response, etc. Javascript is a big part in your charted path, so I highly recommend getting a better understanding of the language before you start writing too much. Good luck, ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 00:34:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4Y02W028320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:34:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9G4Y0cC028319 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:34:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4XxFS028315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:34:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4Xx3l000395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:33:59 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9G4XmV8029845 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:33:48 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s8so1377939wxc for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:33:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=WN7rUKZKNd4jjtCIdKvTWGA/N8wcnmIaOuWgN3xLL99lqsuCjO4xcDOrpyVI69EED6K98iqIHgIm5LbqKNY8xuADDwDGF35W1V3QzGazwoXXdVlVRBFd/NHLXedhAOf2XAHE1PYGTXkJEEZQSTPVZrXtZ4T4Gd/crlVXt4PTyQI= Received: by 10.70.19.20 with SMTP id 20mr10623303wxs; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.117.9 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4cfc16ef0610152133k6679a8f3t219133efe517669b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:33:47 -0400 From: "Mario Lombardo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Advocacy brings tears to my eyes. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_59204_19586216.1160973227184" X-Google-Sender-Auth: a8cd63a6742383a2 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.553, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FU_TLD_US 0.20, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_59204_19586216.1160973227184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Don't you just love what we do? [sob sob sob] TBIC is the Tampa Bay Inventors Council (http://www.tbic.us). I gave a presentation there on GNU/Linux and open software a while back. From time to time, members ask me for CDs and more info. /mario ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Oct 15, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Thanks for your help To: mario@alienscience.com Hey Mario, You might remember me, we met at a TBIC meeting a few weeks ago. Well you handed me a flyer to the software freedom day at MOSI. I went and picked up a copy of some of the stuff they were giving out. So today I was planning on formatting my machine and putting a fresh XP install on it, but could not help but wonder "what the heck was Ubuntu?" So i timidly popped it in and let it run. It worked imediately! No issues. No hassles. Full functionality with no work. I literally almost jumped out of my chair in joy. So i just wanted to personally thank you for pointing me in the right direction. i have been looking to separate my self from MS for some time now, and this amazing software fulfills that desire. I do have on prob though that i am not sure how to go about resolving, maybe u have an idea. I use this Olympus digital voice recorder and the software for it only installs under windows. where would i go to find a solution? Thanks again for your help. I am planning on attending the next TBIC meeting, so I hope to see u there. Just curious, what type of invention are you working on? (generally speaking of course) Have a happy and productive week! Regards, ------=_Part_59204_19586216.1160973227184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Don't you just love what we do?  [sob sob sob]

TBIC is the Tampa Bay Inventors Council (http://www.tbic.us).  I gave a presentation there on GNU/Linux and open software a while back.  From time to time, members ask me for CDs and more info.

/mario

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Oct 15, 2006 10:01 PM
Subject: Thanks for your help
To: mario@alienscience.com

Hey Mario,

You might remember me, we met at a TBIC meeting a few weeks ago.
Well you handed me a flyer to the software freedom day at MOSI.
I went and picked up a copy of some of the stuff they were giving out.

So today I was planning on formatting my machine and putting a fresh
XP install on it, but could not help but wonder "what the heck was Ubuntu?"
So i timidly popped it in and let it run.

It worked imediately! No issues. No hassles. Full functionality with no
work.
I literally almost jumped out of my chair in joy.

So i just wanted to personally thank you for pointing me in the right
direction.
i have been looking to separate my self from MS for some time now,
and this amazing software fulfills that desire.

I do have on prob though that i am not sure how to go about resolving,
maybe u have an idea. I use this Olympus digital voice recorder and the
software
for it only installs under windows. where would i go to find a solution?

Thanks again for your help.

I am planning on attending the next TBIC meeting, so I hope to see u there.
Just curious, what type of invention are you working on?
(generally speaking of course)

Have a happy and productive week!

Regards,




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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 08:16:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GCGVEB023163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:16:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GCGVOW023162 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:16:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GCGV7b023158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:16:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GCGUlE013899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:16:30 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.205]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GCFvSK004804 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:15:57 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.101]) by bay0-omc3-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:15:56 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 05:15:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:15:53 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4cfc16ef0610152133k6679a8f3t219133efe517669b@mail.gmail.com> From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Advocacy brings tears to my eyes. Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:15:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2006 12:15:56.0216 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5091B80:01C6F11C] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.498, required 6, AWL -1.46, BAYES_50 0.00, FAKE_HELO_HOTMAIL 2.20, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, FU_TLD_US 0.20, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Mario Lombardo" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Advocacy brings tears to my eyes. >Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 00:33:47 -0400 > >Don't you just love what we do? [sob sob sob] > >TBIC is the Tampa Bay Inventors Council (http://www.tbic.us). I gave a >presentation there on GNU/Linux and open software a while back. From time >to time, members ask me for CDs and more info. > >/mario Thanks for that. It made my morning :) We really should put together another public, Linux demonstration soon. Does anyone know of any computer shows or special occasions in the near future around which we could plan? It's probably a little late to do anything with the TBCS Security Faire this Wednesday. Jonathon ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 09:11:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDBUEN027718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:11:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GDBUkq027717 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:11:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDBTSN027713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:11:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDBT2t018794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:11:29 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDAuRg009206 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:10:56 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so745525ugc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kAhR8ETtFptJltzFDF3CpQfUDfhFSMDi+Pr19rIVfKm1aSXkwkdaF1BIyDEuKd7hiyoitk+LDa7lfmmpjR66HgeWEboHyNspL7IQbdCdW7Mk5CTeshPy8vrCiOXOnESSOmMHRbL5OOg2nYmi3DGFLdWqy5WI58zFwUOsEYz68xA= Received: by 10.78.182.20 with SMTP id e20mr7539306huf; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610160610y61eed2a5t6f278093548bd0f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:10:53 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5 sum check In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610130735l79aa1760w2bed79d01bb501ca@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610122225g14b017bay5af1bfb0c1a09bcf@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd0610130308k20130151s2fabfa9ce2264bb5@mail.gmail.com> <703ba7320610130735l79aa1760w2bed79d01bb501ca@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.494, required 6, AWL -2.10, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_SINGLE_1WORD 1.01, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > #md5sum -b FC4-x86_64-disc1.iso . > I downloaded a 32 bit file to verify that I was > doing it correctly and it worked perfectly. I used the sha1sum file as I > normally do. I'll have to do more research..... I'm confused. Did you do an md5sum or a sha1sum? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 09:18:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDIFhx028254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:18:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GDIFQW028253 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:18:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDIEUj028249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:18:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDIEK0019403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:18:14 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDHhWf008407 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:17:44 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so747107ugc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:17:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pfBYGDuiAEMYS2Kg9hF+jAQM74XiHeEWXomZxL0GtZlXURbDU6YbfY9vNOxJXlFwix8n2nuuQZ58Xb+E01uyHoCV47QrF4M3Xh/dLsur168AM95vcQuMSW2biXo8RzMemU1x3COz68KvvXupwHDyZ0mp1XrBRYmVSoLSvUSbx64= Received: by 10.78.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr7600171huf; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610160617l11986773j87fbeb6b20baacdf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:17:42 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Interesting topic - Reiser and EXT3 In-Reply-To: <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <452F5C36020000C70000E359@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4020000C70000E386@sinclair.provo.novell.com> <452F6DD4.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.446, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.45) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Primarily the reasoning is that EXT3 has now caught up with Reiser from a scalability, > functionality, and maturity perspective (h-trees and online expansion) that Reiser has enjoyed > for many years. I'm glad to know that ext3 will now begin eating my data, and that fsck.ext3 will now begin eating my filesystems. It's about time; the poor things must have been hungry. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 09:20:32 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDKWJC028495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:20:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GDKW0N028494 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:20:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDKV0B028490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:20:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDKVeL019592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:20:31 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDKIud018909 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:20:18 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so747712ugc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:20:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=J3MYpvXckq84HucIAbYkGXWGr7qDA6ShIM69w6aSULMuiKJQZauiBJ1D9KZF7Dpwd0ktXCBTuEOav2sRzn6oAod9WTSWaP0+UV4l7v9CiG4yqN0sDWKnOPOuGYDsa2KjWDSjBevnQhYmOTgSRhdwKI9Tz+f+RddwmkysvIWD2L8= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr7614137hue; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610160620y539a50dfqead0c49b2345cdbc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:20:10 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Print to local printer from Terminal Services on Linux In-Reply-To: <31f129860610132121v34bca4f9oada05f8faa3708de@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <31f129860610132121v34bca4f9oada05f8faa3708de@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.63, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.63) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Does anyone know of a piece of softwar that is a third party > software that acts as a go between for terminal server and linux. I found > others for windows like Windows will use CUPS directly if you choose the "MS Publisher" driver and give it the CUPS printer URI. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 09:27:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDRqah029086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:27:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GDRq2a029085 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:27:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDRqqO029081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:27:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDRpm9020190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:27:52 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GDRVO7020202 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:27:32 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so749556ugc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:27:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NnbZ3yxYJhOThPVZmP0puhVzgCQt65XDeTxC7xVRJeSFcJ9Al/Wo5fYkd9RktcwCesgHZNgliRyMJHYrMzDzZK/i+NP9Dk2pMwOXlxywcr03u1k/VfZ3X/s5DAA3FT7rMMC+csht/Upcyd3xXGeS2KaKf+Wthh9ov79gxWh0XY0= Received: by 10.78.139.1 with SMTP id m1mr7601936hud; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610160627q70470e95mea294e86fd0edb7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:27:30 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss > Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in Linux > or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? Wow. That is some of the most flametastic anti-Stallman FUD I've seen for a long time. Without Stallman, Linux would be a toy kernel you load by hand on an embedded microcontroller. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 10:17:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GEH57B031908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:17:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GEH5RL031907 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:17:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GEH50h031903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:17:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GEH1Jn023993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:17:05 -0400 Received: from randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-207.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.207]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GEGcIE017263 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:16:38 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EDA109EB1 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:16:37 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:16:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610160627q70470e95mea294e86fd0edb7a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610160627q70470e95mea294e86fd0edb7a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.092, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.09) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 16 October 2006 09:27, Levi Bard wrote: > > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/1030/104.html?partner=rss > > Is this guying going to ruin is for us who want to pursue a career in > > Linux or will there be a work around that makes him irrelevant? > > Wow. That is some of the most flametastic anti-Stallman FUD I've seen > for a long time. Without Stallman, Linux would be a toy kernel you > load by hand on an embedded microcontroller. I think a more interesting view is that Stallman and all his antics, does seem to believe in some utopian society. He is waay out there, and though we should be grateful that his ideas coincided with Linus, does not mean we are forever doing what he says. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 10:24:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GEO2ml032101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:24:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GEO1XZ032096 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:24:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GEO13R032092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:24:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GEO04E024364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:24:01 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GENV69023291 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:23:31 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so764563ugc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:23:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qdv//SDhKoYkyJTPl4QidEWzQ98/r6fIm43NLes+O2hAfBbBFkZi9fI/gtvc1enTZQX1fNHQ4xf4IapWr6LRo533s0BVw53WFsr2yVpYp1+JvWMNRAfMobGm60noR+RCvODroCebgKh7sPYXnx2rUkNPIKi7/CdMuZnYdoPoXVw= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr7707830hue; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:23:30 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? In-Reply-To: <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610160627q70470e95mea294e86fd0edb7a@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.246, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.25, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I think a more interesting view is that Stallman and all his antics, does seem > to believe in some utopian society. He is waay out there, and though we > should be grateful that his ideas coincided with Linus, does not mean we are > forever doing what he says. Sure, every idealist believes in some kind of utopia. What RMS has shown is that it's possible for one to be an idealist, yet succeed in the real world without compromising one's ideals. I find this refreshing in the face of all the, "Let's face it: in the real world blah blah blah..." crap I see spouted all over the place wrt Free Software. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 12:23:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GGNexI003279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GGNe9n003278 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GGNen0003274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GGNeBS000831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:40 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GGNNsI025825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:24 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50848 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZVFL-0008Hj-Ag for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:23 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id B314556BE7 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4533B1F8.9090603@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:23:20 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: "Postings" has been removed from the St. Pete Times] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.17, required 6, AWL -0.98, BAYES_60 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: This is from our friends at TBCS, but may apply to us as well. I don't take the Times, so I don't know. Paul -------- Original Message -------- Subject: "Postings" has been removed from the St. Pete Times Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:56:58 -0400 From: Dave Dockery To: Dave Dockery References: <000601c6f11f$eae90de0$b403c844@Roblyn> The St. Petersburg Times made major changes to their format today. Unfortunately, one of the victims of the change was the "Postings" listing. Postings has been a free public service to area computer users. It was weekly advertising that the local computer clubs could use to reach the community about their upcoming activities. Many of our members found our club through this free advertising. We are sorry to see it go. It IS still available online, but don't expect many of the people who need us the most, novice computer users, to find the feature online. It's a catch 22 situation for them. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 13:13:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GHDEke005199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:13:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GHDEFA005198 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:13:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GHDDrq005194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:13:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GHDDEU004241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:13:13 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GHCub5025526 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:12:56 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F89EE98F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:12:52 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.73, required 6, AWL -1.85, BAYES_99 3.50, TW_KT 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 16 October 2006 10:23, Levi Bard wrote: > > I think a more interesting view is that Stallman and all his antics, does > > seem to believe in some utopian society. He is waay out there, and though > > we should be grateful that his ideas coincided with Linus, does not mean > > we are forever doing what he says. > > Sure, every idealist believes in some kind of utopia. What RMS has > shown is that it's possible for one to be an idealist, yet succeed in > the real world without compromising one's ideals. I find this > refreshing in the face of all the, "Let's face it: in the real world > blah blah blah..." crap I see spouted all over the place wrt Free > Software. Yeah, can't fault that. I live with my ideals which I find not being very mainstream. The big thing that I agree about it is that in order to get anywhere you have to shoot for the stars, then you might get to the top of the trees. I just don't really agree with his totalitarian approach. If some want to and can sell their software then they should. Let the market decide. I used to sell my code and now I'm trying to sell services with my code. Idealistically I don't think there's anything in there worth any beans. Same with money, guns etc. They never did anything, there's always some person doing what should not be done, one cannot blame objects. I feel the same about any product or service you may offer. Anyway this is quickly going in a political direction. Just stricktly software wise -- all models should be allowed to exists. Selling, renting, leasing or giving away on any type of license must be allowed. When one approaches extremes, things tend to start to go wrong really fast. I find wars and abuse non productive and should be avoided. Does not mean I would not kill if I had no other choice. Of course it's best never to get into a position where you need to in the first place. RS is too totalitarian in my eyes and would cause more damage than good if implemented without care. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 16 17:45:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GLjmUg012463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:45:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9GLjms5012462 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:45:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GLjlrP012451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:45:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GLjkMV020175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:45:47 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9GLjKBD026863 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:45:20 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7900C7W03PK979@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:38:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:38:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] software suspend X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: /dev/null" says 80-something percent. (Is that typical? Does swsusp use significantly worse compression than "gzip -9"?) So a 0.25 GB partition ought to hold 1 GB of RAM after compression. Now, it also says "The partition ... should be a valid swap partition (at least for now)". This is a flash drive, no swap. Can I still use this? Or can I just "mkswap /dev/sda4" but not "swapon /dev/sda4" and not enter it into /etc/fstab with type "swap"? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 01:30:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9H5UvVL000968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:30:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9H5UvYm000967 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:30:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9H5UuUI000963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:30:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9H5UuHq024664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:30:56 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9H5UYXa011902 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:30:35 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so172442nfc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nfDwAmAJTkDstnF9J60zenIixms0D1LwDlhe+NCGNkrfCRVlVKKx+OYMvkiziHx/cD32VGD+E03ulCi3jrwEhE4dLvRu9mSBm7EhPS+EODNjFrBGimwXmCNEGTcL2Yi3tVXSlqZpnGpf29x5s+AQJkPm5WN1ZmUtK+0YNy+t/c0= Received: by 10.78.136.9 with SMTP id j9mr8844456hud; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.116.1 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <703ba7320610162230t1b2a140dl105e58042716ed26@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 01:30:33 -0400 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? In-Reply-To: <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61897_29647070.1161063033002" References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.43, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_KT 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_61897_29647070.1161063033002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Personally I think the guy is an anachronism who doesn't have a firm grasp of reality. I have read other items about him and it seems his ego is getting in the way of progress. If Linus Torvalds is the anti-Bill Gates, RMS is the socialist Bill Gates. On 10/16/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Monday 16 October 2006 10:23, Levi Bard wrote: > > > I think a more interesting view is that Stallman and all his antics, > does > > > seem to believe in some utopian society. He is waay out there, and > though > > > we should be grateful that his ideas coincided with Linus, does not > mean > > > we are forever doing what he says. > > > > Sure, every idealist believes in some kind of utopia. What RMS has > > shown is that it's possible for one to be an idealist, yet succeed in > > the real world without compromising one's ideals. I find this > > refreshing in the face of all the, "Let's face it: in the real world > > blah blah blah..." crap I see spouted all over the place wrt Free > > Software. > > Yeah, can't fault that. I live with my ideals which I find not being very > mainstream. The big thing that I agree about it is that in order to get > anywhere you have to shoot for the stars, then you might get to the top of > the trees. > > I just don't really agree with his totalitarian approach. If some want to > and > can sell their software then they should. > > Let the market decide. > > I used to sell my code and now I'm trying to sell services with my code. > Idealistically I don't think there's anything in there worth any beans. > > Same with money, guns etc. They never did anything, there's always some > person > doing what should not be done, one cannot blame objects. I feel the same > about any product or service you may offer. > > Anyway this is quickly going in a political direction. > > Just stricktly software wise -- all models should be allowed to exists. > Selling, renting, leasing or giving away on any type of license must be > allowed. > > When one approaches extremes, things tend to start to go wrong really > fast. > > I find wars and abuse non productive and should be avoided. Does not mean > I > would not kill if I had no other choice. Of course it's best never to get > into a position where you need to in the first place. > > RS is too totalitarian in my eyes and would cause more damage than good if > implemented without care. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be > capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. > A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. > From the Declaration Principles > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. ------=_Part_61897_29647070.1161063033002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Personally I think the guy is an anachronism who doesn't have a firm grasp of reality.  I have read other items about him and it seems his ego is getting in the way of progress.
If Linus Torvalds is the anti-Bill Gates, RMS is the socialist Bill Gates.

On 10/16/06, steve szmidt <steve@szmidt.org > wrote:
On Monday 16 October 2006 10:23, Levi Bard wrote:
> > I think a more interesting view is that Stallman and all his antics, does
> > seem to believe in some utopian society. He is waay out there, and though
> > we should be grateful that his ideas coincided with Linus, does not mean
> > we are forever doing what he says.
>
> Sure, every idealist believes in some kind of utopia.  What RMS has
> shown is that it's possible for one to be an idealist, yet succeed in
> the real world without compromising one's ideals.  I find this
> refreshing in the face of all the, "Let's face it: in the real world
> blah blah blah..." crap I see spouted all over the place wrt Free
> Software.

Yeah, can't fault that. I live with my ideals which I find not being very
mainstream. The big thing that I agree about it is that in order to get
anywhere you have to shoot for the stars, then you might get to the top of
the trees.

I just don't really agree with his totalitarian approach. If some want to and
can sell their software then they should.

Let the market decide.

I used to sell my code and now I'm trying to sell services with my code.
Idealistically I don't think there's anything in there worth any beans.

Same with money, guns etc. They never did anything, there's always some person
doing what should not be done, one cannot blame objects. I feel the same
about any product or service you may offer.

Anyway this is quickly going in a political direction.

Just stricktly software wise -- all models should be allowed to exists.
Selling, renting, leasing or giving away on any type of license must be
allowed.

When one approaches extremes, things tend to start to go wrong really fast.

I find wars and abuse non productive and should be avoided. Does not mean I
would not kill if I had no other choice. Of course it's best never to get
into a position where you need to in the first place.

RS is too totalitarian in my eyes and would cause more damage than good if
implemented without care.

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capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control.
A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty.
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On 10/16/06, Levi Bard <taktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktaktak@gmail.com > wrote:
> #md5sum -b FC4-x86_64-disc1.iso  .
> I downloaded a 32 bit file to verify that I was
> doing it correctly and it worked perfectly.  I used the sha1sum file as I
> normally do.   I'll have to do more research.....

I'm confused.  Did you do an md5sum or a sha1sum?

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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 08:16:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HCGiO5007156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:16:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HCGiR2007155 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:16:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HCGh9a007151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:16:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HC6XvG029770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:07:27 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HC2Fk2006753 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:02:15 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7A00G1E42SIOD1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:01:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:01:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5 sum check In-reply-to: <703ba7320610162237n63398a5ftcd1ed9d4edab29b7@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <125d27dd0610130308k20130151s2fabfa9ce2264bb5@mail.gmail.com> <703ba7320610130735l79aa1760w2bed79d01bb501ca@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610160610y61eed2a5t6f278093548bd0f9@mail.gmail.com> <703ba7320610162237n63398a5ftcd1ed9d4edab29b7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.25, required 6, AWL -0.75, BAYES_05 -1.11, FB_SINGLE_1WORD 1.01, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Robert Waldo wrote: > On 10/16/06, Levi Bard wrote: >> >> > #md5sum -b FC4-x86_64-disc1.iso . >> > I downloaded a 32 bit file to verify that I was >> > doing it correctly and it worked perfectly. I used the sha1sum file as >> > I normally do. I'll have to do more research..... >> >> I'm confused. Did you do an md5sum or a sha1sum? > I used the contents of the sha1sum file to do an md5sum, as in : #md5sum -b > FC4-x86_64-disc1.iso which I compare the value to the contents of the > Sha1sum file on the repository. My research indicates they don't match: eben@pc:~$ md5sum Samba24Hc13.pdf e38cbc44956dc7984e657d05b3ebabb2 Samba24Hc13.pdf eben@pc:~$ sha1sum Samba24Hc13.pdf 6d2bc1783c3530b5358a8e78b51cdd6fc555ceaa Samba24Hc13.pdf This is to be expected, since they are different programs and all. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 And we never failed to fail / It was the easiest thing to do -- CSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 10:25:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HEPiXZ008226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:25:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HEPiCL008225 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:25:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HEPhSL008221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HEPhM9005607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:25:43 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HEPIL5022501 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:25:18 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7A00ALKAO58Y27@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:24:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:24:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] find block number? 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In-Reply-To: <703ba7320610162230t1b2a140dl105e58042716ed26@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> <703ba7320610162230t1b2a140dl105e58042716ed26@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 2.00, BAYES_50 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Personally I think the guy is an anachronism who doesn't have a firm grasp > of reality. I have read other items about him and it seems his ego is > getting in the way of progress. > If Linus Torvalds is the anti-Bill Gates, RMS is the socialist Bill Gates. Lots of people like to say and/or write things like that, particularly tech writers who, as most tech writers do (list members excluded ;), have little grasp of the technology and processes involved, but at the end of the day, if it wasn't for the FSF, GNU, and the GPL, most Free software would have been corporatized, commoditized, and obsoleted long ago. Linus Torvalds isn't the anti-Gates. He and Gates are much the same; they're nice, easygoing guys who do what they feel is best for their products to succeed, even at the expense of users and/or customers. If anyone's the anti-Gates, it's RMS: he pushes for the continued freedom of his software even if it means that there will be a few fewer people who choose to make use of it. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 10:28:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HESwfV008265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:28:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HESw2e008264 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:28:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HESwGI008260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:28:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HESwb2005777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:28:58 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.224]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HESj5L025764 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:28:46 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i32so267867wra for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mAh5r53PlMl86kVi5Z6tltfTPrDtT1zICmkAl+pB4AwbS1M6kybCSzTtQwjwGvCNSxgjt1kbpBn7dEQFq5WBJ4zAdNK7ajbsiuDzl2+WUo8X/Lp4S3F8KaV4YKsPBMRBxmuiM8kPnfS1oI1eQqelEod29NXZFbOs3DzES9hlQ8M= Received: by 10.78.157.8 with SMTP id f8mr9376620hue; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610170728r7e9aae1cl1b7758e011de3d8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:28:43 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] md5 sum check In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610122225g14b017bay5af1bfb0c1a09bcf@mail.gmail.com> <125d27dd0610130308k20130151s2fabfa9ce2264bb5@mail.gmail.com> <703ba7320610130735l79aa1760w2bed79d01bb501ca@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610160610y61eed2a5t6f278093548bd0f9@mail.gmail.com> <703ba7320610162237n63398a5ftcd1ed9d4edab29b7@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.949, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.65, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > This is to be expected, since they are different programs and all. Yeah - SHA1 is the "new" MD5, since MD5 was broken recentlyish. Of course, it would still be pretty nontrivial to create a malicious iso that had a matching md5sum with a good iso, but we may as well use SHA1 since we have it... -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 11:06:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HF6L5R008588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:06:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HF6LmM008587 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:06:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HF6K7j008583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:06:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HF6KNI008162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:06:20 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HF61BB004052 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:06:02 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1017925ugc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T0jy9ayIMeKt0rz9ah1QjuRPdJ992M+79LK6H6QuvIjO6Ut1Rea357YsW8cfB7GjdPjc8kUtc8ZBbwAmzYRwvKLrcgeThDJpIyfD/BpZYKf8jIFovFKsqp5OJHahGTv5SaZDK77DMnyXyfFDVVBpzdALKa40pm9weCrUlhCmC9E= Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr9477635hue; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610170805p362ac16ehb5f010ce25dc5185@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:05:59 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] find block number? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.378, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.38, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > If I have a long-running process, say "dd", is there any way to find out > which block of stdin it's reading? >From dd(1): Sending a USR1 signal to a running `dd' process makes it print I/O statistics to standard error and then resume copying. $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$! $ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid 18335302+0 records in 18335302+0 records out 9387674624 bytes (9.4 GB) copied, 34.6279 seconds, 271 MB/s -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 11:11:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFBugW008623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HFBu2e008622 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFBtmS008618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFBtTb008415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:55 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFBZCP010433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:35 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132]:50702 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GZqbO-00081P-TD for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:35 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4070756BE7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4534F2A4.3010204@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:11:32 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> <703ba7320610162230t1b2a140dl105e58042716ed26@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610170726u5b96d659ge9985cc5b1f26112@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610170726u5b96d659ge9985cc5b1f26112@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.583, required 6, AWL -0.57, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Levi Bard wrote: > Linus Torvalds isn't the anti-Gates. He and Gates are much the same; > they're nice, easygoing guys who do what they feel is best for their > products to succeed, even at the expense of users and/or customers. From what I've read, Gates is anything but easygoing. He is apparently quite hard to work with, particularly for subordinates. If Gates could be characterized as "easygoing", it would only be because he's the richest man in the world, so he could chuck it all if he wanted to. > If anyone's the anti-Gates, it's RMS: he pushes for the continued > freedom of his software even if it means that there will be a few > fewer people who choose to make use of it. I think you're right about that. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 11:43:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFhdUp008904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:43:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HFhdFC008903 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:43:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFhcRb008899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:43:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFhcPA010331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:43:38 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFhDS6016076 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:43:14 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1029164ugc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:43:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BU4t3ueJUbXex0tVbsxjA9wpAu7cj8O3WwqnKstt/5Fifq2Tr4LMSUKM/j0Yu5m/xH9Y2aGy5A3ySrzWgfg50C02C43sS+zgLLr17WE4zoGAc522tDLqrtI7XMLwCsnCBiAxLWNkjxt9clWALKISJNQRXIKB5I7iPuhgP/tbqlE= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr9534477hue; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610170843m2623223p4ce8e5046d657c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:43:12 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? In-Reply-To: <4534F2A4.3010204@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> <703ba7320610162230t1b2a140dl105e58042716ed26@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610170726u5b96d659ge9985cc5b1f26112@mail.gmail.com> <4534F2A4.3010204@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.204, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.09, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Linus Torvalds isn't the anti-Gates. He and Gates are much the same; > > they're nice, easygoing guys who do what they feel is best for their > > products to succeed, even at the expense of users and/or customers. > > From what I've read, Gates is anything but easygoing. He is apparently > quite hard to work with, particularly for subordinates. If Gates could > be characterized as "easygoing", it would only be because he's the > richest man in the world, so he could chuck it all if he wanted to. You could be right; I've never met him. I'm only going by what I've read and heard from people who have met him (although I don't think any of those worked for him - that may have made a critical difference). -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 11:46:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFk96m008936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:46:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HFk9xC008935 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:46:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFk8JH008931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:46:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFk8xV010522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:46:08 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFja5j000444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:45:41 -0400 Received: from www.heavysystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9HFjUHU000377 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:45:30 -0400 Received: from 208.205.82.65 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmorgan) by www.heavysystems.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4334.208.205.82.65.1161099930.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610170726u5b96d659ge9985cc5b1f26112@mail.gmail.com> References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> <703ba7320610162230t1b2a140dl105e58042716ed26@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610170726u5b96d659ge9985cc5b1f26112@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? From: "Rich Morgan" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Lots of people like to say and/or write things like that, particularly > tech writers who, as most tech writers do (list members excluded ;), > have little grasp of the technology and processes involved, but at the > end of the day, if it wasn't for the FSF, GNU, and the GPL, most Free > software would have been corporatized, commoditized, and obsoleted > long ago. I don't think that's the case. You have other successful open source projects that aren't GNU or GPL like *BSD and Minix. Open source began in academic circles as a way to share good code both as a learning tool and as a useful product for colleges that didn't want to pay AT&T for commercial Unix. So if there wasn't a GNU/Linux, we would probably all use a BSD for our free Unix alternative. -Rich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 11:50:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFo7Hs008971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:50:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HFo7lL008970 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:50:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFo7Ci008966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:50:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFo6WZ010786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:50:07 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HFni7e019924 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:49:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([72.91.79.26]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7A00G8TE24T9N0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:37:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:37:13 -0400 From: Bill Glidden Subject: [SLUG] pread64() To: "slug@nks.net" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thread-topic: pread64() Thread-index: AcbyAh3FXDpZqF31EduIxQARJM7jCA== User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Why would pread64() fail with EINVAL (errno 22) when I pass it an offset of 2332893184? Do I have to enable something in the kernel to allow this to work? I can create files > 2GB, so I figured pread64 would work. off64_t rOffset = 2332893184; NumBytes = pread64(fd, buf, bufSize, rOffset); Thanks. Bill Glidden ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 12:17:20 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGHKn5009253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:17:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HGHKQf009252 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:17:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGHJfi009248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:17:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGHIAB012928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:17:19 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-119.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGGs7h024056 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:16:54 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7351817589F for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:16:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610170726u5b96d659ge9985cc5b1f26112@mail.gmail.com> <4334.208.205.82.65.1161099930.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: <4334.208.205.82.65.1161099930.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610171216.51862.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.461, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.46, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 17 October 2006 11:45, Rich Morgan wrote: > I don't think that's the case. You have other successful open source > projects that aren't GNU or GPL like *BSD and Minix. Open source began in > academic circles as a way to share good code both as a learning tool and > as a useful product for colleges that didn't want to pay AT&T for > commercial Unix. So if there wasn't a GNU/Linux, we would probably all > use a BSD for our free Unix alternative. My take is somewhere in the middle. Without Linux and GPL we would might have moved a bit closer towards what we have, as people were having enough of the MS/windows type of problems. My guess is that we would not have been too far though, since it had been there for many years without much growth. GPL without Linux was not moving very fast. Linus willingness to leave his creation open is a common urge with at least programmers who code for the pleasure of it. It is a possibility that Linus would have stuck with some open dissem method, as evident of how it got spread to give him new ideas of wht to incorporate into hi skernel. Linux could have taken off without the GPL, though there is no arguing that the two were a golden match. My guess is that the law would have been a problem or a barrier for the acceptance of Linux. If I recall correctly it was the combination that made people continue to invest in it as a contender for the future because of the two. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 12:34:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGYqXt009370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HGYqQr009369 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGYqB4009365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGYq8e013984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGYT5r023229 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:34:30 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1044310ugc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:34:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kuwaMaeE1tDSL9xTI4vj9DP5ACt0AfFXfimKEZMss+viYal7HyKpYfRJTSlNO7bpoW/kz93C9mXBbtIBhw/wvrKrttorsNl/4n0KRA92qpA3uFiEcZfPiOvdG/TpXQGrzIhMyrzq2tHS5oZZjfvQ5YXsP0vb4CD6vk/BMMiiWMo= Received: by 10.78.201.15 with SMTP id y15mr9621874huf; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610170934k7bd528c0m301cd13983b7e078@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:34:28 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pread64() In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.873, required 6, AWL -0.36, BAYES_05 -1.11, J_CHICKENPOX_22 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Why would pread64() fail with EINVAL (errno 22) when I pass it an offset of > 2332893184? Do I have to enable something in the kernel to allow this to > work? I can create files > 2GB, so I figured pread64 would work. > > off64_t rOffset = 2332893184; > NumBytes = pread64(fd, buf, bufSize, rOffset); The following code works for me on a 32bit system: #define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500 //for pread #include #include #include #include #include int main(){ int fd = open64("/some/hugefile",O_RDONLY); size_t NumBytes=0; off_t rOffset = 2332893184LL; unsigned char buf[BUFSIZ]; if(fd > 0){ NumBytes = pread64(fd, buf, BUFSIZ, rOffset); printf("Got %d bytes\n",(int)NumBytes); }//if else{ perror("Can't open /some/hugefile"); }//can't open file return 0; }//main -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 12:39:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGdkmD009406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:39:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HGdk0f009405 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:39:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGdkhv009401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:39:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGdjFL014281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:39:45 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGdIxI016698 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:39:18 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7A00L3TG9JBE60@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:25:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:25:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] find block number? In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310610170805p362ac16ehb5f010ce25dc5185@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310610170805p362ac16ehb5f010ce25dc5185@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.101, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.10) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> If I have a long-running process, say "dd", is there any way to find out >> which block of stdin it's reading? > > From dd(1): > Sending a USR1 signal to a running `dd' process makes it print I/O > statistics to standard error and then resume copying. > > $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$! > $ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid > > 18335302+0 records in 18335302+0 records out 9387674624 bytes > (9.4 GB) copied, 34.6279 seconds, 271 MB/s Duh, thanks. Shoulda checked the man page first. Should be a SMOP to change a series of measurements evenly spaced in time into data evenly spread throughout the disk. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 12:45:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGjkLu009469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:45:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HGjkrn009468 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:45:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGjkAg009464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:45:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGjkSl014740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:45:46 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGjS4e017774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:45:28 -0400 Received: from [172.17.224.127] (pool-71-251-87-44.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.251.87.44]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGjRM9023143 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: <453508A6.7060900@nks.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:45:26 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pread64() References: In-Reply-To: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080106020600040905080301" X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.578, required 6, AWL -0.02, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080106020600040905080301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill Glidden wrote: > Why would pread64() fail with EINVAL (errno 22) when I pass it an offset of > 2332893184? Do I have to enable something in the kernel to allow this to > work? I can create files > 2GB, so I figured pread64 would work. > > off64_t rOffset = 2332893184; > NumBytes = pread64(fd, buf, bufSize, rOffset); > Did you open the file with open64(), or with open() using the O_LARGEFILE flag? - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com --------------080106020600040905080301 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="icblenke.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="icblenke.vcf" begin:vcard fn:Ian C. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 12:51:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGppQK009515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:51:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HGppfV009514 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:51:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGpoXh009510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:51:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGpoKu015079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:51:50 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HGpLHA011460 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:51:21 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i32so296282wra for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pMtOT3l+bblihNIJmY18H9wHbaxEcOs5K+ADL4UGGcrAZDPIo+SIQ+2XkyCJ0ixkjKT25hojbPAPjGU+u1v67mrF5/fGMlf8rRS41l3Aq4fKaZfNoQ9K+tVlDpUDCm9J7/LBF7yninJwkMUisQ1doJQrtCxLBtRL71D4zOibefM= Received: by 10.90.72.10 with SMTP id u10mr5129125aga; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610170951u1635ef6dnd16e5cfb0598d6af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:51:21 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] pread64() In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.15, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.45, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/17/06, Bill Glidden wrote: > Why would pread64() fail with EINVAL (errno 22) when I pass it an offset of > 2332893184? Do I have to enable something in the kernel to allow this to > work? I can create files > 2GB, so I figured pread64 would work. > > off64_t rOffset = 2332893184; > NumBytes = pread64(fd, buf, bufSize, rOffset); Did you call open with O_LARGEFILE flag or use open64? ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 13:02:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HH2gbx009671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HH2gY1009670 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HH2gkT009666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HH2fjP015919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:42 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HH2NgB030308 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:02:24 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i32so297759wra for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:02:23 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i4IHPIJ75O8KTjx5Pl3a/HDPjTu2Vs6x6PixHPvT8lE4yIKPiBbQP1FhO141gHuobSBpMYc9KP8j5rHwI+xKzE8d7GW59iPN3eYVGuYSVA2OYNRoy34GQH28DrX8QTNVZ79S4zb8DGGPKC38jyjh8CL3hEdH5HlAn7/xsMu3lV4= Received: by 10.78.148.8 with SMTP id v8mr9675584hud; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610171002q12ae3783kd9ab138867507673@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:02:22 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] find block number? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310610170805p362ac16ehb5f010ce25dc5185@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.445, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.15, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Should be a SMOP ... Silent Massacre Of Ponies? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 13:13:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHDmUP009737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HHDmBO009736 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHDmcF009732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHDmm5016669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHDTpW016159 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:13:29 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i32so299060wra for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:13:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iTJzxHmlJNiSVm5weBHksud6+3KjFgzrK7BDa5VWjrQugoXFp3ttMwqBeWbGwJStjczquE4K9cQ2CEI7IGGuoLb9L7JkBv0JWXFLrHSUE4r1MjYxvw/Y6+7SVKqAI4NzSnt2GRpgOZx4pMY0qALymqlyNW1722g7FipreqFPMJ4= Received: by 10.90.100.2 with SMTP id x2mr5135104agb; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:13:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610171013h40c29d5dl36d841fc8c9fa2f8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:13:28 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] find block number? In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610171002q12ae3783kd9ab138867507673@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1a3a3e310610170805p362ac16ehb5f010ce25dc5185@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610171002q12ae3783kd9ab138867507673@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.073, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.53, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Silent Massacre Of Ponies? As fun as that sounds, usually it's a "Small Matter Of Programming" ~ Daniel ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 13:45:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHjUFk010019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:45:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HHjUCk010018 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:45:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHjTNi010014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:45:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHjTBZ018419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:45:29 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HHj97q020025 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:45:09 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7A009ARJ6UB9B7@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:28:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] find block number? In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310610171002q12ae3783kd9ab138867507673@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310610170805p362ac16ehb5f010ce25dc5185@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610171002q12ae3783kd9ab138867507673@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.405, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.22, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Should be a SMOP ... > > Silent Massacre Of Ponies? Simple Matter Of Programming. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 CANCER: The position of Jupiter says that you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud. Try not to shove a roll of duct tape up your nose when taking your driver's test. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 15:44:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HJiov7011037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HJiobp011036 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HJinJR011032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HJinEw024996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:49 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HJiS9R019238 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:44:28 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so24909ugc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:44:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BXq+jf62cgzTFw4a2WuCIJ6KsqREfTXBi6e5aNa08FEIkZWj8slERiJlUDiO+OnvWj4jyQwYPQCwcP/RjXQKY6pYgsLAKVCf7R+dKqO3hQH6yd0/REKTpHyMMkp90x6CLVArsxJyRh4QtCxREsHBzagyAhzKWa/bYY884JNdrwA= Received: by 10.78.160.2 with SMTP id i2mr9887603hue; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610171244r6ed6348dkc6d0440a05d930d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:44:26 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What do you all think? In-Reply-To: <4334.208.205.82.65.1161099930.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <703ba7320610132047s23af65efqda0f836bc70e3b16@mail.gmail.com> <200610161016.34273.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610160723g7319080g8817b095bf3cddef@mail.gmail.com> <200610161312.52484.steve@szmidt.org> <703ba7320610162230t1b2a140dl105e58042716ed26@mail.gmail.com> <1a3a3e310610170726u5b96d659ge9985cc5b1f26112@mail.gmail.com> <4334.208.205.82.65.1161099930.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.139, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I don't think that's the case. You have other successful open source > projects that aren't GNU or GPL like *BSD and Minix. Open source began in > academic circles as a way to share good code both as a learning tool and > as a useful product for colleges that didn't want to pay AT&T for > commercial Unix. So if there wasn't a GNU/Linux, we would probably all > use a BSD for our free Unix alternative. I suspect that, if all Free OSs were BSDL or similar, a company like Apple or IBM (or Sun!) would have created a proprietary version that became popular to the near-exclusion of all others. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 17:50:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HLoUQ7012049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:50:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HLoU5e012048 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:50:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HLoTQ6012044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:50:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HLoT9L032340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:50:29 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HLo83J002402 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:50:09 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BF819555D for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Suggested spam detection project Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:50:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610171750.06320.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.981, required 6, AWL -2.02, BAYES_95 3.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net One thing which can be an effective tool in recognizing spam is the email name used. Usually it cannot even be pronounced. A script which counts the number of colliding consonants, or percentage of consonants in the name, can probably detect a high percentage. For those using kmail there is already a built-in ability to do this kind of script processing, if I read it right. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 18:11:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HMBaeg012254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:11:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HMBacT012253 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:11:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HMBZel012249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:11:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HMBVq5003099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:11:32 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HMBDWb020384 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:11:13 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so59992ugc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:11:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AVzKSeLUzvDanWYSihNswuI+D1ZRynL21Qz6VdkMlhsRNA/Xi5FOBHN0jYUoaRngS5k9XDJFZMgS9KsEHGGuBFtk+HmvC4S7xH0Iq+9DH7mGrCH3EfTaEfr+4YsWcCFNjDA0lH+LN6ryfrLNRGTfWXeFafZVI196CvZHcGuDb6w= Received: by 10.78.204.7 with SMTP id b7mr10108332hug; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610171511i3959fd22y707a08bae70aea09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:11:11 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suggested spam detection project In-Reply-To: <200610171750.06320.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610171750.06320.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.481, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.26, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > One thing which can be an effective tool in recognizing spam is the email name > used. Usually it cannot even be pronounced. > > A script which counts the number of colliding consonants, or percentage of > consonants in the name, can probably detect a high percentage. > > For those using kmail there is already a built-in ability to do this kind of > script processing, if I read it right. Domain basename 'szmidt' - 85% consonant - flagged as spam. ;-) -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 19:09:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HN9PBK012736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HN9PBr012735 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HN9Oes012731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HN9OWv009088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:24 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HN95Be012350 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:06 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so68275ugc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:09:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DFce4plTbVpbIjsPMoXBoxDUsl0Kd9cE80B2buRUA4A7B7c2Q2AmmFWFdKjeJ0KGvNmu85rgn3fMD2jGH9rlh/TAmpBm1NvVh6T8g9NVIFF9FqZL/5HdBlIGWWf+08FgrazfadUNAIpFELubFbXKFxVCD+MufmLOAN0Hke4uSCo= Received: by 10.78.117.10 with SMTP id p10mr2683899huc; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.3 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:09:04 -0400 From: "Dave Lowe" To: "SLUG Listserve" Subject: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I downloaded a tarball of Firefox and installed it. It works great, except it is branded as from the University of Arizona, Tuscon. It comes up as the home page all the time, despite any settings I change in the program. While I am sure this is a wonderful school, it's becoming annoying. Any idea how to change this? -- Regards, Dave Lowe [davedorm@gmail.com] Starship MacArthur http://issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 19:17:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNHc77012854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HNHcgl012853 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNHbmX012849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNHXPr009577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:37 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a1.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-98.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.98]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNH9Sd023684 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (27-82.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.125.82.27]) by postalmail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68CD90F7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:17:31 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page Message-ID: <20061017231731.GA4830@frey.asgard> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Sat Oct 14 19:15:33 EDT 2006 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Host: frey X-Uptime: 19:15:33 up 5:58, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.578, required 6, AWL -0.02, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Dave Lowe on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 at 07:09PM -0400: > I downloaded a tarball of Firefox and installed it. It works great, > except it is branded as from the University of Arizona, Tuscon. It > comes up as the home page all the time, despite any settings I change > in the program. > Did you download it from http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/? -- Whatever it is, I fear Greeks even when they bring gifts. -- Publius Vergilius Maro (Virgil) - GPG Fingerprint: E3CD FDAB 82C4 14FD 7B57 430B 770E 0EAF FB53 12C2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 19:31:29 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNVT8m012969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HNVTsS012968 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNVScg012964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNVSQ6010364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:28 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNVAL1013166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:11 -0400 Received: from www.heavysystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9HNV2KJ017744 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:02 -0400 Received: from 192.168.1.74 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmorgan) by www.heavysystems.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page From: "Rich Morgan" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.549, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.55, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I downloaded a tarball of Firefox and installed it. It works great, > except it is branded as from the University of Arizona, Tuscon. It > comes up as the home page all the time, despite any settings I change > in the program. > > While I am sure this is a wonderful school, it's becoming annoying. > Any idea how to change this? Open firefox and type "about:config" in the address bar. In the filter box, type "browser.startup.homepage". Double click that key to change it. Close your browser, restart. That should work. -Rich P.S. While you're there, if you don't need IPv6 support, you can disable it from this configuration screen for a slight Firefox performance increase. Type "IPv6" in the filter, double-click the key and change to "true". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 19:32:50 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNWoeL012995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:32:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HNWonQ012994 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:32:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNWnVK012990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:32:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNWnG2010417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:32:49 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNWSE4004647 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:32:28 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C471856C3 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suggested spam detection project Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:32:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610171750.06320.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610171511i3959fd22y707a08bae70aea09@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610171511i3959fd22y707a08bae70aea09@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610171932.25862.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.112, required 6, AWL -1.65, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 17 October 2006 18:11, Levi Bard wrote: > > One thing which can be an effective tool in recognizing spam is the email > > name used. Usually it cannot even be pronounced. > > > > A script which counts the number of colliding consonants, or percentage > > of consonants in the name, can probably detect a high percentage. > > > > For those using kmail there is already a built-in ability to do this kind > > of script processing, if I read it right. > > Domain basename 'szmidt' - 85% consonant - flagged as spam. ;-) No, on the name - not the domain... :) -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 19:46:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNkLrB013098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:46:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HNkLxB013097 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:46:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNkK6B013093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:46:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNkKHW011299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:46:20 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNk1sM001559 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:46:01 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE241856D0 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:46:00 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:45:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610171945.59205.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.766, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.03, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 17 October 2006 19:09, Dave Lowe wrote: > I downloaded a tarball of Firefox and installed it. It works great, > except it is branded as from the University of Arizona, Tuscon. It > comes up as the home page all the time, despite any settings I change > in the program. > > While I am sure this is a wonderful school, it's becoming annoying. > Any idea how to change this? Edit - Preferences - General -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 19:55:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNt2Gj013156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:55:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HNt2Tc013155 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:55:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNt143013151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:55:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNt1pu011729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:55:01 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNsbp4001213 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:54:37 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so480376nfc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IohnFGqeiX17WiEQpJ8hSqdNc75V8GN26ZiTeBOMRU5rjsXlHb4U770D4skP5zKn0pzlMFPKckHqpkJXpVwzeI5vGslvM3ptiPIEF1fAv+VGMIVqmnEzMtOOk5/RMyBMVeTOWD6NPshsbybNALiDwPTTGjDIVwFklfSifLdcO1s= Received: by 10.78.188.19 with SMTP id l19mr10174212huf; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.3 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:54:36 -0400 From: "Dave Lowe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page In-Reply-To: <200610171945.59205.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610171945.59205.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/17/06, steve szmidt wrote: > Edit - Preferences - General Did you not read my post? On Tuesday 17 October 2006 19:09, Dave Lowe wrote: > comes up as the home page all the time, despite any settings I change > in the program. I tried Edit - Preferences - General. I am not that stupid. Next time, a robust "RTFM" may be more helpful. -- Regards, Dave Lowe [davedorm@gmail.com] Starship MacArthur http://issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 19:56:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNu0Kp013169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:56:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9HNu0lk013168 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:56:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNu0tM013164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:56:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNu0Wp011774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:56:00 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9HNtfDI015736 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:55:41 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so480672nfc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:55:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FTitn6U5/Oc9NNKqo9PNpo2WahvxVkEkyE3rukI/1hpuFK89EdX6sWqult2kg1/PlsPccUisDw+isq/iytyKy9YbfztBYY4Fqb9KwVjgWXqCTO0aN+qQja82wZ9I/OdDfhDGy62XGTPbI47hRxDDhn5qLmTXfzqScD4SpcZDZh4= Received: by 10.78.127.2 with SMTP id z2mr10233000huc; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.3 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:55:39 -0400 From: "Dave Lowe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page In-Reply-To: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.185, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/17/06, Rich Morgan wrote: > Open firefox and type "about:config" in the address bar. In the filter > box, type "browser.startup.homepage". Double click that key to change it. > Close your browser, restart. No. it's set to my desired homepage. And if I click HOME I get my desired home page. It just won't come up on startup. -- Regards, Dave Lowe [davedorm@gmail.com] Starship MacArthur http://issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 20:14:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0Erbg013349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:14:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9I0ErKh013348 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:14:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0ErTq013344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:14:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0Ecfm012770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:14:53 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0ETTD015020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:14:30 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GZz4p-000080-9v for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:14:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suggested spam detection project From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200610171932.25862.steve@szmidt.org> References: <200610171750.06320.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610171511i3959fd22y707a08bae70aea09@mail.gmail.com> <200610171932.25862.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-oemrqEx//CgnFbzYxXUI" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:13:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1161130419.23691.20.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.207, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.47, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-oemrqEx//CgnFbzYxXUI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 19:32 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 17 October 2006 18:11, Levi Bard wrote: > > > One thing which can be an effective tool in recognizing spam is the e= mail > > > name used. Usually it cannot even be pronounced. > > > > > > A script which counts the number of colliding consonants, or percenta= ge > > > of consonants in the name, can probably detect a high percentage. > > > > > > For those using kmail there is already a built-in ability to do this = kind > > > of script processing, if I read it right. > > > > Domain basename 'szmidt' - 85% consonant - flagged as spam. ;-) >=20 > No, on the name - not the domain... :) Sounds like a recipe for false positives. Logan --=20 When you're a *nix admin surrounded by Windoze "Admins", no one can hear yo= u scream. -- Matt Moen Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-oemrqEx//CgnFbzYxXUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFNXGy3OecGqSbkyMRAsNdAKDDtWOHTYdbZeNIrBXwC3hb42vl+wCgv1ky 6Urcg4xsIGheWVcpsW8bTiE= =bcTD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-oemrqEx//CgnFbzYxXUI-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 20:17:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0HA8s013439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9I0HAZx013438 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0H9UD013434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0H9As013004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:17:09 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0Goqq019330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:16:51 -0400 Received: from www.heavysystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9I0GgcF018811 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:16:42 -0400 Received: from 192.168.1.74 (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmorgan) by www.heavysystems.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34091.192.168.1.74.1161130602.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: References: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page From: "Rich Morgan" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.069, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.07, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On 10/17/06, Rich Morgan wrote: > > No. it's set to my desired homepage. And if I click HOME I get my > desired home page. It just won't come up on startup. Then check for the existance of a userprefs.js file. It can also contain custom configuration information. -Rich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 20:20:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0KrTZ013487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9I0KqKk013486 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0Kq6h013482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0KqPN013223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:52 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I0Kbgm010277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:38 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GZzAa-0000GL-1K for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:20:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suggested spam detection project From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <200610171932.25862.steve@szmidt.org> References: <200610171750.06320.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610171511i3959fd22y707a08bae70aea09@mail.gmail.com> <200610171932.25862.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-8ax1czoEefQlrv+KC3Uo" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:19:35 -0400 Message-Id: <1161130775.23691.24.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.5, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.50) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-8ax1czoEefQlrv+KC3Uo Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2006-10-17 at 19:32 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 17 October 2006 18:11, Levi Bard wrote: > > > One thing which can be an effective tool in recognizing spam is the e= mail > > > name used. Usually it cannot even be pronounced. > > > > > > A script which counts the number of colliding consonants, or percenta= ge > > > of consonants in the name, can probably detect a high percentage. > > > > > > For those using kmail there is already a built-in ability to do this = kind > > > of script processing, if I read it right. > > > > Domain basename 'szmidt' - 85% consonant - flagged as spam. ;-) >=20 > No, on the name - not the domain... :) An exim server (or other daemons), set up to verify sender will drop 99% percent of those creatures. In combination with with spamhaus and spamcop, you can keep your inbox empty. Logan --=20 Nothing screams poor workmanship more than wrinkles in the duct tape. Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-8ax1czoEefQlrv+KC3Uo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFNXMX3OecGqSbkyMRAgwYAJ456BKMX6JEyV6D8EvdRL2zLMe6rgCg22Ds 793TjJm5uKiT0I2ifSStmOY= =VyFQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-8ax1czoEefQlrv+KC3Uo-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 22:04:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I24GZ7014304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:04:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9I24GNe014303 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:04:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I24GYV014299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:04:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I24FWk019580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:04:16 -0400 Received: from randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I23rjm030279 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:03:54 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08872A84F5 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suggested spam detection project Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:03:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610171750.06320.steve@szmidt.org> <200610171932.25862.steve@szmidt.org> <1161130775.23691.24.camel@cthulhu> In-Reply-To: <1161130775.23691.24.camel@cthulhu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610172203.51180.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.565, required 6, AWL -0.60, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 17 October 2006 20:19, Logan Tygart wrote: > An exim server (or other daemons), set up to verify sender will drop 99% > percent of those creatures. In combination with with spamhaus and > spamcop, you can keep your inbox empty. If they did catch all that would be good. As is they don't, thus... What most have in common that do get through is long stringed consonant names. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 22:25:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I2P8Wk014508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:25:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9I2P8bm014507 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:25:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I2P83q014503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:25:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I2P7Xo020857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:25:08 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I2OnhB002566 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:24:50 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so521769nfc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kyQgurL1OJpl5XvBLMjSNrTwh2FiAuUkEWxnD2ooVpXN+H20qUoiN6EzpfGMec1oN8m71lstgP7bkKaPK9B379Tz4py8eHIIPC5GTXPQloEc3J2e3z1oCjO+4Cm+He9zDF5FVxeUnqEG64pA8eN+mqD0bf7amP5Css47RgI+SrQ= Received: by 10.78.170.17 with SMTP id s17mr10344493hue; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.3 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:24:48 -0400 From: "Dave Lowe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page In-Reply-To: <34091.192.168.1.74.1161130602.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> <34091.192.168.1.74.1161130602.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.11, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/17/06, Rich Morgan wrote: > Then check for the existance of a userprefs.js file. It can also contain > custom configuration information. No file of that name on the system. This is a real stumper. I would hate to have to uninstall and reinstall Firefox. -- Regards, Dave Lowe [davedorm@gmail.com] Starship MacArthur http://issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 17 23:58:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I3w2m8015206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:58:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9I3w2Fi015205 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:58:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I3w1ZY015197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:58:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I3w1vi026203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:58:01 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I3vl2I024401 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:57:48 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so547372nfc for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:57:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=kYRMtzFrAnxAnjhCYTClrSWpMS/C/gH07gtHeGv6Q1hH8Acu50aBmqavIz6DJKnYN8WsaGhdBuSIy9X9rottubEW734ILsSvvaq32+MYKvzvpoMhQBmZkxnQM4WUfN7Mh39o81iX7OX9wR7p+pnfhZTfOqwRQtOgEGBkZ0KgeL8= Received: by 10.49.29.3 with SMTP id g3mr2819093nfj; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:57:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.87.9 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 23:57:45 -0400 From: "Jan Mason" To: "SLUG Mail List" Subject: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full performance for a fast Ethernet network? Thanks for your support. -- Jan Mason Registered Linux User #156002 jan.mason@gmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 01:18:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I5Iv4P015998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:18:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9I5IvuZ015997 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:18:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I5IvGN015993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:18:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I5Iulu005042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:18:56 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9I5ITjK010111 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:18:29 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.251.119.22]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7B00F4AG24KWD2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:18:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 01:18:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mail List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.519, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.52, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Jan Mason wrote: > I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot > cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. > I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two > pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. > > Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one > cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full > performance for a fast Ethernet network? > > Thanks for your support. I'm going to guess "if the connections try to transmit or listen at the same time there will be increased interference". Some Ethernet cables only have two pairs in them, so you obviously couldn't use those. Also, since this cable will otherwise be identical to any other cable, make sure you mark it somehow so it's clear it's different. If you can hijack some ancient computers, you might run some sort of router software to do that safely. Why can't you run two parallel cables in the conduit? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 08:46:13 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ICkCEJ019926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:46:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9ICkCwB019925 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:46:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ICkCvS019921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:46:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ICkB5L009272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:46:12 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ICjmKh002090 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:45:48 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE10C17B73 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453621F4.1070205@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:45:40 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.897, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.90, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yuck, don't to that, it's an ugly hack. Especially if it's not your home network. Just go buy a switch. I got a netgear 5 port gig on sale for $20. Jan Mason wrote: > I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot > cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. > I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two > pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. > > Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one > cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full > performance for a fast Ethernet network? > > Thanks for your support. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 09:51:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IDpMAB020466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9IDpMkp020465 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IDpMXR020461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IDpLPG012553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:22 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IDp6Ek025804 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:51:07 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so719214nfc for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:51:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m86bK4DsLheB5MRrMjpmHHso1oUvaWvunHGPcuucaIFSQxW/jJgX+4KAEv6Kv1Aj9AtaRa9OGmjUoxFQ9HXWQWmSRSnLeQ6KsP/GIDr8rXFzwpPSh9qmLDXIGEbXpU+Yc3+p9PgvZzzG5zwkrc/8sALwA88SQhKm+SQyrIwYxpw= Received: by 10.48.48.13 with SMTP id v13mr3778433nfv; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.87.9 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:50:53 -0400 From: "Jan Mason" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net The cable is a Mohawk M56889 Cat 6, 4 pair, 24awg solid utp cable. "Why can't you run two parallel cables in the conduit?" Its an external cable run in the condo and I agreed with the one cable argument. When complete, my preferred configuration would look as follows: cable modem <-> 100 foot cable <-> dedicated router/firewall OpenBSD 4.0 laptop <-> switch <-> fedora core 5 laptop <-> hp lj 4000 printer <-> 100 foot cable <-> hub <-> win xp desktop <-> vonage router <-> phones Backup plan: cable modem <-> dedicated router/firewall OpenBSD 4.0 laptop <-> switch <-> win xp desktop <-> vonage router <-> phones <-> 100 foot cable <-> hub <-> fedora core 5 laptop <-> hp lj 4000 printer It sounds like I might need to go with my backup plan. Lan Shack sells a Cat 5E network splitter: http://www.lanshack.com/Network-Splitter-Pair-P47C56.aspx Splits one 4 pair category 5 (or 5E) cable into two Network connections. Works with 100Base-T Ethernet, 10Base-T, or any connection that utilizes pins 1, 2, 3 & 6. On 10/18/06, Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Jan Mason wrote: > > > I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot > > cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. > > I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two > > pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. > > > > Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one > > cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full > > performance for a fast Ethernet network? > > > > Thanks for your support. > > I'm going to guess "if the connections try to transmit or listen at the same > time there will be increased interference". Some Ethernet cables only have > two pairs in them, so you obviously couldn't use those. Also, since this > cable will otherwise be identical to any other cable, make sure you mark it > somehow so it's clear it's different. If you can hijack some ancient > computers, you might run some sort of router software to do that safely. > Why can't you run two parallel cables in the conduit? > > -- > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna > do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, > do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Jan Mason Registered Linux User #156002 jan.mason@gmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 11:16:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IFGEqp021239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:16:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9IFGEwn021238 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:16:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IFGDS5021234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IFGDd8017170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:16:13 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IFFwY8012154 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:15:59 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so200510ugc for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:15:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QGbkHMQc3Jh3u+tRfC683bSCdcPM0AozVnup88N2AnkSk4e4QRhgMtpIKOkN/9AoiydQxLPa38Hf/gw+ISj/xaT5qtx4Gxowe6QWntjtIrKKrnT3T9h050UKOjNaNfcwS1CL2Dt1C8BDseUDY9I3+Lv/QaFAoairI6jTEU/U+AM= Received: by 10.82.126.19 with SMTP id y19mr2213372buc; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.3 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:15:57 -0400 From: "Dave Lowe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> <34091.192.168.1.74.1161130602.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.415, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Here's what I have done so far: 1) Edit - Preferences - General 2) Edited about:config 3) searched for user.js file in my profile No joy, I still have the University of Arizona Tuscon as my home page DESPITE the setting in the browser clearly has my homepage listed as the default page. Why will this "branding" not be defeated? I do not recall where I got the download, but this is getting ridiculous. The only reason I did this was because I could not get a clean install of the latest Firefox through apt-get, for some reason the latest was not available. This one works great, even auto-updates itself when a new version is available from Mozilla. I am absolutely stumped. Any ideas? -- Regards, Dave Lowe [davedorm@gmail.com] Starship MacArthur http://issmacarthur.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 12:06:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IG6AQW021655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9IG6ARZ021654 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IG6AUl021650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IG6AKq020708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:10 -0400 Received: from randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IG5pQv002145 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:05:51 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B092A819E for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:05:49 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:05:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610181205.46966.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.395, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.40, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 17 October 2006 23:57, Jan Mason wrote: > I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot > cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. > I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two > pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. > > Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one > cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full > performance for a fast Ethernet network? > > Thanks for your support. You will break the standard. It's built to use four twisted pairs. The moment you run any other AC through any pairs you'll break the standard. There is a magnetic field which you will mess up. What happens varies with the conditions, but you will for sure not help. The standard thing to do is to pull another pair. Or put a switch at the other end. Ethernet is built to be very resilient, but we are talking about high frequency signals running through the cable. We are not talking about some 9V DC running through it. For example if you are running Gigabit then just running a tight 90 degree turn will be outside the spec. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 16:48:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IKmoGt023973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:48:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9IKmoSv023972 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:48:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IKmo7t023968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:48:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IKmn9p004313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:48:50 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IKmYes001698 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:48:34 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:48:28 -0600 Message-Id: <45365AD0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:48:17 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page References: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> <34091.192.168.1.74.1161130602.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.519, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.52, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 10:24 PM, in message , "Dave Lowe" wrote: > On 10/17/06, Rich Morgan wrote: > >> Then check for the existance of a userprefs.js file. It can also contain >> custom configuration information. > > No file of that name on the system. This is a real stumper. I would > hate to have to uninstall and reinstall Firefox. Most likely they changed the css to alter how it looks and acts. http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html has all the details. You can also start ff in safe mode ./firefox-bin --safe-mode and that will bypass all of those mods. And finally there is a config for browser.startup.homepage that loads an alternative startup page (NOT the homepage) - but I think you discounted that already. You've spent enough time on it now. Remove and install it from the official ff site. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 17:29:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ILT31m024339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:29:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9ILT30X024338 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:29:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ILT3K5024334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:29:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ILT2xA006190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:29:02 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9ILSjEe019691 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:28:45 -0400 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.100.92.142]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7C00EQWNJYQ3Y0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:57:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:57:33 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-reply-to: <200610181205.46966.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610181657.33551.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610181205.46966.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.8 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.301, required 6, AWL -0.30, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_33 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > On Tuesday 17 October 2006 23:57, Jan Mason wrote: > > I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot > > cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. > > I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two > > pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. > > > > Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one > > cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full > > performance for a fast Ethernet network? > > > > Thanks for your support. It might just work. The issue is crosstalk which is specified in the standards. What is missing is the tolerance of the hardware to crosstalk and that might vary greatly between mfg'ers. The receiving end, if too sensitive, could respond to the signal in the other circuit. The quality of line termination will also affect the crosstalk, i.e. if the characterstic impedance of line is not well matched the crosstalk will be greater than if it was on-spec. A quick search turned up the following that refers to using Cat 5 for two ethernet circuits. It does not mention speed/performance, however. http://www.sunion.warwick.ac.uk/portal/advice/accommodation/movingin/broadband/ Myself, I would give it a try. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 18:16:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IMGiS9024769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9IMGiwK024768 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IMGhqI024764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IMGhgS008862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:43 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9IMGMf2019602 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:23 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IMGL1A013985 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610182216.k9IMGL1A013985@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:17:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: Acbyva/e7Je8f7PfSv6I7GkzSU7y6wAROVkg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.647, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If I understand, you have the cable modem, hub, XP desktop, Vonage router and phones at one end of the 100' cable. At the other end, you have the BSD laptop, switch and a printer. The only reason you need two circuits is you want to use the BSD laptop as the router. Sound like you could: 1 - Move the BSD box to the other end (next to the cable modem) 2 = Get a hardware router, and install it next to the cable modem. Either of these sound like they might be a better solution. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Jan Mason Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:51 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable The cable is a Mohawk M56889 Cat 6, 4 pair, 24awg solid utp cable. "Why can't you run two parallel cables in the conduit?" Its an external cable run in the condo and I agreed with the one cable argument. When complete, my preferred configuration would look as follows: cable modem <-> 100 foot cable <-> dedicated router/firewall OpenBSD 4.0 laptop <-> switch <-> fedora core 5 laptop <-> hp lj 4000 printer <-> 100 foot cable <-> hub <-> win xp desktop <-> vonage router <-> phones Backup plan: cable modem <-> dedicated router/firewall OpenBSD 4.0 laptop <-> switch <-> win xp desktop <-> vonage router <-> phones <-> 100 foot cable <-> hub <-> fedora core 5 laptop <-> hp lj 4000 printer It sounds like I might need to go with my backup plan. Lan Shack sells a Cat 5E network splitter: http://www.lanshack.com/Network-Splitter-Pair-P47C56.aspx Splits one 4 pair category 5 (or 5E) cable into two Network connections. Works with 100Base-T Ethernet, 10Base-T, or any connection that utilizes pins 1, 2, 3 & 6. On 10/18/06, Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Jan Mason wrote: > > > I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot > > cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. > > I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two > > pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. > > > > Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one > > cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full > > performance for a fast Ethernet network? > > > > Thanks for your support. > > I'm going to guess "if the connections try to transmit or listen at the same > time there will be increased interference". Some Ethernet cables only have > two pairs in them, so you obviously couldn't use those. Also, since this > cable will otherwise be identical to any other cable, make sure you mark it > somehow so it's clear it's different. If you can hijack some ancient > computers, you might run some sort of router software to do that safely. > Why can't you run two parallel cables in the conduit? > > -- > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna > do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, > do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. -- Jan Mason Registered Linux User #156002 jan.mason@gmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 19:42:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9INgblc025455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9INgbt0025454 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9INgaCa025450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9INgahe012903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:36 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9INfrL2018444 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:23 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7C0027GV5HQ3P4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:41:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> <34091.192.168.1.74.1161130602.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Dave Lowe wrote: > Here's what I have done so far: > > 1) Edit - Preferences - General > 2) Edited about:config > 3) searched for user.js file in my profile find ~ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -F 'current_start_page' -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 18 20:01:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J01AEO025641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:01:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9J01A7x025640 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:01:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J019XJ025636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:01:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J019OV014007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:01:09 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J00hCX032694 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:00:43 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7C00LU1W05ZF05@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:00:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <54670.192.168.1.74.1161127862.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> <34091.192.168.1.74.1161130602.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_56 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Dave Lowe wrote: > >> Here's what I have done so far: >> >> 1) Edit - Preferences - General >> 2) Edited about:config >> 3) searched for user.js file in my profile > > find ~ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -F 'current_start_page' Or if that doesn't find it, look in: /etc/mozilla-firefox /opt/firefox /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox /usr/share/bug/mozilla-firefox /var/lib/mozilla-firefox (in no particular order) -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 04:45:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8jpjY030134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:45:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9J8jpgX030133 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:45:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8jp2E030129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:45:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8jojx021833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:45:50 -0400 Received: from randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8jYEd016596 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:45:34 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66062AF2EF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Firefox Home Page Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:45:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610171945.59205.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610190445.31382.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.266, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.27, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 17 October 2006 19:54, Dave Lowe wrote: > On 10/17/06, steve szmidt wrote: > > Edit - Preferences - General > > Did you not read my post? Sounds indeed like I missed something... I saw the request for help and did not even think of who you were (and I profess I don't know your competence level). > On Tuesday 17 October 2006 19:09, Dave Lowe wrote: > > comes up as the home page all the time, despite any settings I change > > in the program. > > I tried Edit - Preferences - General. I am not that stupid. Next time, > a robust "RTFM" may be more helpful. I'll keep that in mind. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 04:54:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8siSU030200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:54:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9J8siLd030199 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:54:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8siW8030195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:54:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8si9N022584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:54:44 -0400 Received: from randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-83.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9J8sZqg001167 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:54:35 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E914DA84FC for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 01:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:54:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.089, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.09) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 18 October 2006 21:30, John Pugh wrote: > Is available in beta form from here > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a version number 7. That's the old version. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 07:21:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JBLcbF031526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:21:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JBLcZS031525 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:21:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JBLc6q031521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:21:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JBLbNg030922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:21:37 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JBLJ82002582 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:21:20 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:21:15 -0600 Message-Id: <45372763.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:21:07 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.404, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.41, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 4:54 AM, in message <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 18 October 2006 21:30, John Pugh wrote: >> Is available in beta form from here >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a > version > number 7. That's the old version. I must be blind. It takes me to the Flash Player 9 update page and a link to download the latest update for all supported platforms. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 09:08:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JD8rsF032362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:08:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JD8rxs032361 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:08:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JD8qSg032356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:08:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JD8qA6005806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:08:52 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JD8X9i018775 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:08:34 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so1112746nfc for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:08:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S8a0U7L8wgKJ9Mgxy5WnFbzMyoHY1nzRb26rIBYDnCIX/iXRZUQtH2huPf3DMjw0C7lKriRg5QqgyVpvN+d9XcN312e0Q/ZjSAd6Zz0ylRVOdKd6zHeDGgcBD5J6SJzq13VXXJTMxsTlmjkzmgzB3WzoVTQiZisjAC6PXRDNthM= Received: by 10.49.80.12 with SMTP id h12mr5800249nfl; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.87.9 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 06:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:08:31 -0400 From: "Jan Mason" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-Reply-To: <200610182216.k9IMGL1A013985@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610182216.k9IMGL1A013985@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.251, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm going to try running two circuits down my long cable. If it doesn't work I can always replace the dual jacks with single ones and use another equipment configuration. I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks again for the good info. On 10/18/06, Ken Elliott wrote: > If I understand, you have the cable modem, hub, XP desktop, Vonage router > and phones at one end of the 100' cable. At the other end, you have the BSD > laptop, switch and a printer. The only reason you need two circuits is you > want to use the BSD laptop as the router. Sound like you could: > 1 - Move the BSD box to the other end (next to the cable modem) > 2 = Get a hardware router, and install it next to the cable modem. > > Either of these sound like they might be a better solution. > > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Jan Mason > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:51 AM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable > > The cable is a Mohawk M56889 Cat 6, 4 pair, 24awg solid utp cable. > > "Why can't you run two parallel cables in the conduit?" > Its an external cable run in the condo and I agreed with the one cable > argument. > > When complete, my preferred configuration would look as follows: > cable modem <-> 100 foot cable <-> > dedicated router/firewall OpenBSD 4.0 laptop <-> > switch <-> fedora core 5 laptop > <-> hp lj 4000 printer > <-> 100 foot cable <-> hub <-> win xp desktop > <-> vonage router <-> > phones > Backup plan: > cable modem <-> dedicated router/firewall OpenBSD 4.0 laptop <-> > switch <-> win xp desktop > <-> vonage router <-> phones > <-> 100 foot cable <-> hub <-> fedora core 5 laptop > <-> hp lj 4000 printer > > It sounds like I might need to go with my backup plan. > > Lan Shack sells a Cat 5E network splitter: > http://www.lanshack.com/Network-Splitter-Pair-P47C56.aspx > Splits one 4 pair category 5 (or 5E) cable into two Network > connections. Works with 100Base-T Ethernet, 10Base-T, or any > connection that utilizes pins 1, 2, 3 & 6. > > On 10/18/06, Eben King wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Jan Mason wrote: > > > > > I am setting up a new fast Ethernet network that has one 100 foot > > > cable in it. I went with Cat 6 cables, Cat 6 plugs, and Cat 6 jacks. > > > I want to connect two jacks at either end of the 100 foot cable. Two > > > pairs to each jack. The jacks are going into surface mount boxes. > > > > > > Will there be a performance hit running two data circuits through one > > > cable? If there is a hit, do you think that I will still have full > > > performance for a fast Ethernet network? > > > > > > Thanks for your support. > > > > I'm going to guess "if the connections try to transmit or listen at the > same > > time there will be increased interference". Some Ethernet cables only > have > > two pairs in them, so you obviously couldn't use those. Also, since this > > cable will otherwise be identical to any other cable, make sure you mark > it > > somehow so it's clear it's different. If you can hijack some ancient > > computers, you might run some sort of router software to do that safely. > > Why can't you run two parallel cables in the conduit? > > > > -- > > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > > TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna > > do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, > > do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > -- > Jan Mason > Registered Linux User #156002 > jan.mason@gmail.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 10:14:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEEdSr000416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JEEdar000415 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEEc8D000411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEEcVD009394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:38 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEEAIg007469 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:11 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so453265ugc for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:14:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bGXAvctlVwYH592EVQEMsBmpME6elvXdJp+iJsT344zh2P86sTxPtewcV7EuiPvNXrmbrUnyn3Z1QOjCo2a+v+BQy3SBJJvJza13xKTJ/JSfPlXygrxgyxcAm9ncm5vao4f2oVt6Xn7NMO1OV1ooP2m0QFIPZKb3sYTzh9gEh5g= Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr11811447huf; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.120.10 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610190714i9e82397w52f55a693bb936e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 09:14:09 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta In-Reply-To: <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.818, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.08, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Is available in beta form from here > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a version > number 7. That's the old version. Took me to the v9b1 page. Direct link: http://www.adobe.com/go/fp9_update_b1_installer_linuxplugin -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 10:15:58 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEFv5E000445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:15:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JEFv2E000444 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:15:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEFv3K000440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:15:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEFvTd009481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:15:57 -0400 Received: from randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEF2IG019843 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:15:02 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a12.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC96A8503 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:14:57 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> <45372763.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <45372763.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610191014.58132.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.251, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.44, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 October 2006 07:21, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 4:54 AM, in message > > <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 October 2006 21:30, John Pugh wrote: > >> Is available in beta form from here > >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > > > It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a > > version > > number 7. That's the old version. > > I must be blind. It takes me to the Flash Player 9 update page and a link > to download the latest update for all supported platforms. (Not that we don't all make a mistake in missing something.) Follow THAT link, which is where (using Either Konqueror or Mozilla under SuSE) I see a page with two links leading to Player 9. If I click on "Get release versions of Flash Player 9*" which takes me to a page where step number 3 says: 3. Unpackage the file. A directory called install_flash_player_7_linux will be created. Ditto if I click on "Flash Player Download Center" further down the page the same page comes up with install_flash_player_7_linux. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 10:33:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEX5xM000633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JEX5XW000632 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEX59P000628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEX4sU010514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:05 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEWetZ016768 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:32:41 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:32:40 -0600 Message-Id: <4537543B.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:32:27 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> <45372763.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610191014.58132.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610191014.58132.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.007, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.01) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:14 AM, in message <200610191014.58132.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 19 October 2006 07:21, John Pugh wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 4:54 AM, in message >> >> <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt > wrote: >> > On Wednesday 18 October 2006 21:30, John Pugh wrote: >> >> Is available in beta form from here >> >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >> > >> > It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a >> > version >> > number 7. That's the old version. >> >> I must be blind. It takes me to the Flash Player 9 update page and a link >> to download the latest update for all supported platforms. > > (Not that we don't all make a mistake in missing something.) > > Follow THAT link, which is where (using Either Konqueror or Mozilla under > SuSE) I see a page with two links leading to Player 9. > > If I click on "Get release versions of Flash Player 9*" which takes me to a > page where step number 3 says: > > 3. Unpackage the file. A directory called install_flash_player_7_linux will > be > created. > > Ditto if I click on "Flash Player Download Center" further down the page the > > same page comes up with install_flash_player_7_linux. Hah - I'm a mistake waiting to happen. I simply haven't gotten that far...yet. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 10:33:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEXxRN000645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JEXxtI000644 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEXwMV000640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEXw8u010569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:58 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEXJKx010258 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:19 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id t32so775895pyc for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:33:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DPoSlglpL7iZ6KYPpCrHy2y65pVH7lLzuQKtbv2qLPnCj0sEiIAf2yW7bg6XY2w1fTswtfcAhGeP6/1zjA5Hov/cwlg2fnvOsx37pq7ZfM8Pf73UOu1K5O22s3K77wA1CiayOI9aFTNNKwvAo7aYWwheL7QCBDc4V1BT1j9/cJ8= Received: by 10.35.102.18 with SMTP id e18mr11053pym; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.129.10 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860610190733x17782147s7c6e7e50444b7713@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:33:09 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2750_7855847.1161268389732" References: <200610182216.k9IMGL1A013985@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.138, required 6, AWL -0.66, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_00_10 0.80, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2750_7855847.1161268389732 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I would just like to say there is a simplier way of doing this. If the Condo Assoc is going to be aholes, like most of them are and they are saying only 1 cable can be seen well give them only one cable. Instead of soing spliting or any wierd nonstandard hack. Simple take 2 cat 6 cable take some zipties to hold them together and then put Heat Shrink casing over them. Now you only one one visable cable. and they dont have to be any the wiser that there is really two cables there. But at the same token it might just be easier to drop a cheap namebrand 4/5 port switch at the end of the run instead of trying to run two cables or split them out. ------=_Part_2750_7855847.1161268389732 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I would just like to say there is a simplier way of doing this.  If the Condo Assoc is going to be aholes, like most of them are and they are saying only 1 cable can be seen well give them only one cable.  Instead of soing spliting or any wierd nonstandard hack.  Simple take 2 cat 6 cable take some zipties to hold them together and then put Heat Shrink casing over them.  Now you only one one visable cable.  and they dont have to be any the wiser that there is really two cables there. 
But at the same token it might just be easier to drop a cheap namebrand 4/5 port switch at the end of the run instead of trying to run two cables or split them out.
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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 10:41:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEf2qE000714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:41:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JEf2s3000713 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:41:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEf1mx000705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:41:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEf1GC010857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:41:01 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEecJp022418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:40:39 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:40:38 -0600 Message-Id: <4537561F.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:40:32 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610190714i9e82397w52f55a693bb936e7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610190714i9e82397w52f55a693bb936e7@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.778, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.82, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 10:14 AM, in message <1a3a3e310610190714i9e82397w52f55a693bb936e7@mail.gmail.com>, "Levi Bard" wrote: >> > Is available in beta form from here >> > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ >> >> It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a > version >> number 7. That's the old version. > > Took me to the v9b1 page. Direct link: > http://www.adobe.com/go/fp9_update_b1_installer_linuxplugin I had the same experience as Levi, used the gzip file extracted the .so into my ~/.mozilla/plugins directory and voila, I have FP9 support in FF now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 10:46:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEkknS000756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JEkkat000755 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEkk8v000751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEkjFK011161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:46:45 -0400 Received: from randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JEjkQc018608 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:45:46 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a8.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA99AF2EF for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:45:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610190714i9e82397w52f55a693bb936e7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610190714i9e82397w52f55a693bb936e7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610191045.44504.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.088, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.09, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 October 2006 10:14, Levi Bard wrote: > > > Is available in beta form from here > > > http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > > > It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a > > version number 7. That's the old version. > > Took me to the v9b1 page. Direct link: > http://www.adobe.com/go/fp9_update_b1_installer_linuxplugin Ah, there's another link higher up which does lead to http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 12:34:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JGYiI6001651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:34:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JGYiNI001650 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:34:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JGYiCg001646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:34:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JGYho9017301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:34:44 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JGYFZS027835 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:34:15 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7E00LT25X4ZHL7@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:31:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:32:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-reply-to: <31f129860610190733x17782147s7c6e7e50444b7713@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200610182216.k9IMGL1A013985@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <31f129860610190733x17782147s7c6e7e50444b7713@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Robert Snyder wrote: > I would just like to say there is a simplier way of doing this. If the > Condo Assoc is going to be aholes, like most of them are and they are saying > only 1 cable can be seen well give them only one cable. Instead of soing > spliting or any wierd nonstandard hack. Simple take 2 cat 6 cable take some > zipties to hold them together and then put Heat Shrink casing over them. > Now you only one one visable cable. and they dont have to be any the wiser > that there is really two cables there. I don't know what 100 feet of shrink-wrap tube costs, but I suspect it's "more than a couple of routers/486s-with-NICs". And depending on whether they can see the ends, that might be a giveaway. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 13:07:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JH7XLY001934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JH7X3L001933 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JH7Wu4001928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JH7WmI018886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:32 -0400 Received: from randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-81.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JH7DVS022112 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:13 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19986109E8B for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:07:08 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:07 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <31f129860610190733x17782147s7c6e7e50444b7713@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f129860610190733x17782147s7c6e7e50444b7713@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.477, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.48, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 October 2006 10:33, Robert Snyder wrote: >Simple take 2 cat 6 cable > take some zipties to hold them together and then put Heat Shrink casing > over them. Indeed you don't even need to ziptie them if you use heatshrink, which will make it look nicer. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 15:11:27 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JJBRlW002973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JJBRth002972 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JJBQeB002968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JJBQuJ024778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:26 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.225]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JJB8RR025934 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:09 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so86340hui for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:11:07 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YXfKYQlz43vQzaYuFDnL/JT4MIQS9JjdX2aD/udPDzKN+fE8J8Mvb8DI/DGUnDXXyHrMabjPHo0poN6bLtd5peyuoJyQOBMiAeDXLJ2gXVmRBvKmVGNDPfW4VsYKxZli6ru5hHpboGai4zDf9cAofsTOfl4HL7mkuPGM4ywMiIY= Received: by 10.48.48.13 with SMTP id v13mr6499458nfv; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:11:07 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-Reply-To: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <31f129860610190733x17782147s7c6e7e50444b7713@mail.gmail.com> <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.888, required 6, AWL 0.29, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/19/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 19 October 2006 10:33, Robert Snyder wrote: > > >Simple take 2 cat 6 cable > > take some zipties to hold them together and then put Heat Shrink casing > > over them. > > Indeed you don't even need to ziptie them if you use heatshrink, which will > make it look nicer. > > > -- Shucks, Why wast money on heat shrink buy some hose not only that, you can get it in more colours, pull a pull twine through it (use a vacuum and suck it through) and pull the two cables through the hose, get a size that is not too big and has a nice color.... I do not know how much 100ft of heat shrink will cost but it also gets pretty stiff as it cools down and contracts. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 16:03:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JK3u9G003437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:03:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JK3ulc003436 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:03:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JK3u44003432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:03:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JK3txS027373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:03:56 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JK3cgH012812 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:03:38 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB9218D605 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:03:32 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:03:27 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.03, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.03, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 October 2006 15:11, Chuck Hast wrote: > Shucks, > Why wast money on heat shrink buy some hose not only that, you can get > it in more colours, pull a pull twine through it (use a vacuum and suck > it through) and pull the two cables through the hose, get a size that is > not too big and has a nice color.... I do not know how much 100ft of heat > shrink will cost but it also gets pretty stiff as it cools down and > contracts. Heck, Why spend money on this low tech junk? Pull a fiber through it, now you have unlimited bandwidth. (Well, up to the recv/trsmit nodes.) It will be worth it though! :) Plus it will not be susceptible to any interference. Now you can have as many connections as you want. (Once you buy the fiber optics nodes, which you should be able to do for a few hundred each. Then the switch to allow multiple connections. Plus the fiber tool which is only a few hundred. Of course the cable which is not too bad when you get a volume break.) But then you'll be sitting pretty! Imagine! One of the few who already have fiber to the home! -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 19:43:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JNhAIj005200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:43:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9JNhAki005199 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:43:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JNh932005195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:43:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JNh4ns007598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:43:04 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.234]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9JNgfbd016979 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:42:42 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 22so122815hug for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BbRt95FIPyHT4x1SdeCZPeH5cN4OSykcRORFtxOSECs/Jr7ygU93KrWEXl1b4/CqPffNd1TyMswBTWQMzNfZ32OJuz0SAGgXXxUkFz6egWQRvyPWh2YZnD01qN1fAcqVci/XA9pBFPBH/nLpd5TJYwxTOO0Lgs7DmMxJmSa4AOI= Received: by 10.49.10.3 with SMTP id n3mr6900124nfi; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610191642j7fb8b0f5p769810b5a7119600@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:42:40 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-Reply-To: <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.62, required 6, AWL 0.02, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/19/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 19 October 2006 15:11, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > Shucks, > > Why wast money on heat shrink buy some hose not only that, you can get > > it in more colours, pull a pull twine through it (use a vacuum and suck > > it through) and pull the two cables through the hose, get a size that is > > not too big and has a nice color.... I do not know how much 100ft of heat > > shrink will cost but it also gets pretty stiff as it cools down and > > contracts. > > Heck, > Why spend money on this low tech junk? Pull a fiber through it, now you have > unlimited bandwidth. (Well, up to the recv/trsmit nodes.) It will be worth it > though! :) > > Plus it will not be susceptible to any interference. Now you can have as many > connections as you want. (Once you buy the fiber optics nodes, which you > should be able to do for a few hundred each. Then the switch to allow > multiple connections. Plus the fiber tool which is only a few hundred. Of > course the cable which is not too bad when you get a volume break.) > > But then you'll be sitting pretty! Imagine! One of the few who already have > fiber to the home! > That is exactly what I was going to really say but it looked like everyone was fixated on the cat 6 thing. I am doing something simlar but for a different reason in part. I have my home on one end of my property and my workshop/offfice/junk place on the other end with about 300 ft between them. I have buried 1.5 inch pipe and run cat 5 through it, but of course a lighting storm took out the hub on one end (spared the other though) I had a protocol converter, I just needed another one. I found a 5 port switch with a fiber connection on it, and put it in. Right now I just have a short piece of fibre to keep the lightning out of the rest of it, but I have been looking around for some fibre to pull through that pipe, I found a 100M piece with the right connectors on each for I think it was $75, I just have to order it and pull it through the pipe. Once you go glass you will never look back. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 20:14:23 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0ENvw005467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:14:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K0ENer005466 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:14:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0ENfq005462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:14:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0EM0K010410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:14:22 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.227]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0EBRK004182 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:14:11 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so157861hui for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:14:10 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aor8Z5DiF60YiTwuxL2rtThMdCnlzA0l2413UJbWmGmUvtoYrSPh3eJXlxD50Fd5NzBVMkEeb/mspyC64CeHMBNWF02NbwcBBmsa/fl37IID+om2oFUd4SgxGktXvACJv3bxZX+ulPCY4hzO7GKmcE4RVQOLRUme9P788bge2Tg= Received: by 10.48.210.16 with SMTP id i16mr6923822nfg; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:14:10 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.282, required 6, AWL 0.68, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting this message when I try to get into my systems at home. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 20:26:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0Qvdg005628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:26:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K0Qvw3005627 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:26:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0QvQQ005623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:26:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0QuXh011038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:26:56 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K0Qd51017887 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:26:39 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7E009XNRVYUSV7@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:26:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:26:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-reply-to: <620c90570610191642j7fb8b0f5p769810b5a7119600@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191642j7fb8b0f5p769810b5a7119600@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 10/19/06, steve szmidt wrote: >> >> Plus it will not be susceptible to any interference. Now you can have as >> many connections as you want. (Once you buy the fiber optics nodes, which >> you should be able to do for a few hundred each. Then the switch to allow >> multiple connections. Plus the fiber tool which is only a few hundred. Of >> course the cable which is not too bad when you get a volume break.) >> >> But then you'll be sitting pretty! Imagine! One of the few who already have >> fiber to the home! [...] > I have my home on one end of my property and > my workshop/offfice/junk place on the other end with about 300 ft between > them. I have buried 1.5 inch pipe and run cat 5 through it, but of course > a lighting storm took out the hub on one end (spared the other though) Yeah, outdoor conductive LANs in Florida are contraindicated for just that reason. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 LEO: Now is not a good time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss' face, oh no. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 21:47:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K1lesJ006247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:47:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K1letq006246 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:47:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K1ldwc006242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:47:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K1ldC9014492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:47:39 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K1lLn6020406 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:47:22 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [72.64.171.222] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 4UNU200 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:47:14 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:54:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <45372763.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610191014.58132.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610191014.58132.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610192154.50210.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.892, required 6, AWL -1.71, BAYES_40 -0.18, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 October 2006 10:14, steve szmidt wrote: > On Thursday 19 October 2006 07:21, John Pugh wrote: > > >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 4:54 AM, in message > > > > <200610190454.31872.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt > > wrote: > > > On Wednesday 18 October 2006 21:30, John Pugh wrote: > > >> Is available in beta form from here > > >> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/ > > > > > > It seems odd that the link leads to a page that says it will create a > > > version > > > number 7. That's the old version. > > > > I must be blind. It takes me to the Flash Player 9 update page and a link > > to download the latest update for all supported platforms. > > (Not that we don't all make a mistake in missing something.) > > Follow THAT link, which is where (using Either Konqueror or Mozilla under > SuSE) I see a page with two links leading to Player 9. > > If I click on "Get release versions of Flash Player 9*" which takes me to a > page where step number 3 says: > > 3. Unpackage the file. A directory called install_flash_player_7_linux will > be created. > > Ditto if I click on "Flash Player Download Center" further down the page > the same page comes up with install_flash_player_7_linux. You guys are confusing the old guy. Does version 9 get installed even though it installs the above noted directory? Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:09:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K29GOe006438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K29GLN006437 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K29G3n006433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K29Fh5015537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:16 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K294FO030188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:05 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gajol-0001Ij-GR for slug@nks.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:03 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B2B56BE7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45382FBD.8020104@quillandmouse.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:01 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.326, required 6, AWL -0.83, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chuck Hast wrote: > I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, > seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but > this > time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting > this > message when I try to get into my systems at home. > > Obviously, your identification information is getting translated into Spanish, and your home machine doesn't understand it. ;-} -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:09:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K29aKu006450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K29ama006449 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K29Z9U006445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K29LPs015543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:35 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K297Q2014162 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:08 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a3.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B612B1856D4 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flash 9 for Linux beta Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:09:03 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45369D0A.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <200610191014.58132.steve@szmidt.org> <200610192154.50210.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200610192154.50210.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610192209.03511.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.482, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.30, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 October 2006 21:54, Bob Stia wrote: > You guys are confusing the old guy. Does version 9 get installed even > though it installs the above noted directory? Nah, there are at least two links that are wrong on that page. I found those, and describe them above. What you want is the first link. This is the correct one. (It says version 9 and is not to be confused with the two I ran into.) Here is another copy of the correct link. Bare in mind this is beta code so it may not work properly. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:13:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2DOpb006482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:13:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K2DOoF006481 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:13:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2DO8B006477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:13:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2DN29015719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:13:23 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2D3mt001930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:13:03 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gajsb-0001cV-V4 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:13:02 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3651656BE7 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453830AB.4030706@quillandmouse.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:12:59 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable References: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191642j7fb8b0f5p769810b5a7119600@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.081, required 6, AWL -1.07, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> On 10/19/06, steve szmidt wrote: >>> >>> Plus it will not be susceptible to any interference. Now you can have >>> as many connections as you want. (Once you buy the fiber optics >>> nodes, which you should be able to do for a few hundred each. Then >>> the switch to allow multiple connections. Plus the fiber tool which >>> is only a few hundred. Of course the cable which is not too bad when >>> you get a volume break.) >>> >>> But then you'll be sitting pretty! Imagine! One of the few who >>> already have >>> fiber to the home! > > [...] > >> I have my home on one end of my property and >> my workshop/offfice/junk place on the other end with about 300 ft between >> them. I have buried 1.5 inch pipe and run cat 5 through it, but of course >> a lighting storm took out the hub on one end (spared the other though) > > > Yeah, outdoor conductive LANs in Florida are contraindicated for just > that reason. > You'd think that galvanized pipe would "solve" the problem by minimizing the voltage difference between the two points. Of course, if you run PVC, you'd have to run a ground wire through it and ground it thoroughly at each end. (Yes, I know that lightning can still strike and be transmitted regardless. I'm just sayin'...) Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:27:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2RpGP006643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K2RpIO006642 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2RoMP006638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2Roc8016413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:50 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2RUPH018513 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:31 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061020022732.IDIE10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id cST81V00M4g4wUs0000000 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:27:08 -0400 Message-ID: <4537D1CC.2000403@cox.net> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:28:12 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45382FBD.8020104@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <45382FBD.8020104@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.468, required 6, AWL -1.97, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Chuck Hast wrote: >> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex >> City, >> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem >> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, >> but this >> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am >> getting this >> message when I try to get into my systems at home. >> >> > > > Obviously, your identification information is getting translated into > Spanish, and your home machine doesn't understand it. > > ;-} > No, that can't be it. I happen to know that his household is fluent in Spanish. Slightly different dialects than Mexico, but still.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:29:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2TNF9006665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:29:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K2TN6n006664 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:29:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2TNsO006660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:29:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2TNMq016511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:29:23 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2TAbo024972 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:29:10 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7E0052NXKLJQW6@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:29:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:29:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-reply-to: <453830AB.4030706@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191642j7fb8b0f5p769810b5a7119600@mail.gmail.com> <453830AB.4030706@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.999, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.00, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: >> >>> On 10/19/06, steve szmidt wrote: >>>> >>>> Plus it will not be susceptible to any interference. Now you can have as >>>> many connections as you want. (Once you buy the fiber optics nodes, which >>>> you should be able to do for a few hundred each. Then the switch to allow >>>> multiple connections. Plus the fiber tool which is only a few hundred. Of >>>> course the cable which is not too bad when you get a volume break.) >>>> >>>> But then you'll be sitting pretty! Imagine! One of the few who already >>>> have >>>> fiber to the home! >> >> [...] >> >>> I have my home on one end of my property and >>> my workshop/offfice/junk place on the other end with about 300 ft between >>> them. I have buried 1.5 inch pipe and run cat 5 through it, but of course >>> a lighting storm took out the hub on one end (spared the other though) >> >> Yeah, outdoor conductive LANs in Florida are contraindicated for just that >> reason. > > You'd think that galvanized pipe would "solve" the problem by minimizing the > voltage difference between the two points. Of course, if you run PVC, you'd > have to run a ground wire through it and ground it thoroughly at each end. > > (Yes, I know that lightning can still strike and be transmitted regardless. > I'm just sayin'...) Well, even if the strike-to-ground resistance through the pipe is pretty low (like 1 milliohm or whatever), if you pass a million amperes through it courtesy of Mother Nature, that's likely to do some damage. Now, superconducting pipe, OTOH... -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:34:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2Ycvw006713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:34:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K2YcX6006712 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:34:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2YbVo006708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:34:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2YbaR016832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:34:37 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2YOgC000328 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:34:24 -0400 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.100.92.142]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7E00ERKXSPDUN6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:34:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:34:00 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-reply-to: <453830AB.4030706@quillandmouse.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610192234.00942.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <453830AB.4030706@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.8 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.126, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.12, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 October 2006 22:12, Paul M Foster wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> On 10/19/06, steve szmidt wrote: > >>> Plus it will not be susceptible to any interference. Now you can have > >>> as many connections as you want. (Once you buy the fiber optics > >>> nodes, which you should be able to do for a few hundred each. Then > >>> the switch to allow multiple connections. Plus the fiber tool which > >>> is only a few hundred. Of course the cable which is not too bad when > >>> you get a volume break.) > >>> > >>> But then you'll be sitting pretty! Imagine! One of the few who > >>> already have > >>> fiber to the home! > > > > [...] > > > >> I have my home on one end of my property and > >> my workshop/offfice/junk place on the other end with about 300 ft > >> between them. I have buried 1.5 inch pipe and run cat 5 through it, but > >> of course a lighting storm took out the hub on one end (spared the other > >> though) > > > > Yeah, outdoor conductive LANs in Florida are contraindicated for just > > that reason. > > You'd think that galvanized pipe would "solve" the problem by minimizing > the voltage difference between the two points. Of course, if you run > PVC, you'd have to run a ground wire through it and ground it thoroughly > at each end. > > (Yes, I know that lightning can still strike and be transmitted > regardless. I'm just sayin'...) > > Paul The pipe with the cable inside forms a transmission line and the transient induced from a lightning strike will be very large even though the cables and pipe are grounded at both ends. The pipe helps a lot, but surge protection is still needed (and at both ends). It is the transient that wrecks things. The IEEE standard for the *average* lightning strike (10% of the strikes will be ten times as large) has a rise time of the current of roughly 2E9 amps/sec, which when multiplied by the (small) inductance of a 100 feet of pipe puts one up in the tens of thousands of volts. So far (knock-on-wood, etc.) I have eliminated nearby lightning taking out my switches/hubs/router/nics by putting an ethernet surge suppressor on each nic and each of the router ports. They cost about $20-25 each, so I skip the switches/hubs figuring they are cheap to replace. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:35:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2ZcfJ006729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:35:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K2Zc6r006728 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:35:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2ZbgF006724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:35:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2ZbAb016857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:35:37 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.233]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2Z6wk000467 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:35:07 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so185167hui for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DJeI2B42H08/VeTgpDkYQLRiT3N+6bhZclAwnhJ+2PPHEQtNG5WwzHRtdvJqmfU+lKq+2lCocFNRsTgznja66t83q1iQCwcaXKdXqi6UAoyUlkW/MP5F449X/7IXf0KdD/KT5sW4adO153AvXiYnQNW8rya+GIOb0sxZwe0SutU= Received: by 10.49.91.6 with SMTP id t6mr7120976nfl; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610191935y151f7804h6dec718274ca1b05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:35:05 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host In-Reply-To: <4537D1CC.2000403@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45382FBD.8020104@quillandmouse.com> <4537D1CC.2000403@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.292, required 6, AWL 0.69, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/19/06, michael hast wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > Chuck Hast wrote: > >> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex > >> City, > >> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > >> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, > >> but this > >> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am > >> getting this > >> message when I try to get into my systems at home. > >> > >> > > > > > > Obviously, your identification information is getting translated into > > Spanish, and your home machine doesn't understand it. > > > > ;-} > > > No, that can't be it. I happen to know that his household is fluent in > Spanish. Slightly different dialects than Mexico, but still.... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Yea that machine speaks all kinds of stuff, I have to take a bar of soap after it every once in a while.... When that fails there is always the 2x4 and the 2 lb sledge... -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 19 22:40:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2ecXk006784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:40:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9K2ecqq006783 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:40:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2ece9006779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:40:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2ebm0017117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:40:38 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.237]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9K2eJjG001168 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so186042hui for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:40:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QJjuqMizN88BjrkrYWo5AftHUAjQ9n2B8WIJ6rPhUN79PVumx9jxXA/4FLWai7UBqRGq0TZdv0kLsN3PbmNy2T/WxbIXofDfZiTbw2i4BCFhfaN5onec/Zu3IpN2yfGEQJq3Wn0YJ+5nTMMWqK2GjUaNHcVQ02LxR/qvaqrPGrQ= Received: by 10.49.20.15 with SMTP id x15mr3986366nfi; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:40:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610191940t32817327i15b22ead27df7627@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:40:18 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191642j7fb8b0f5p769810b5a7119600@mail.gmail.com> <453830AB.4030706@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.311, required 6, AWL 0.71, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/19/06, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > Eben King wrote: > >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Chuck Hast wrote: > >> > >>> On 10/19/06, steve szmidt wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Plus it will not be susceptible to any interference. Now you can have as > >>>> many connections as you want. (Once you buy the fiber optics nodes, which > >>>> you should be able to do for a few hundred each. Then the switch to allow > >>>> multiple connections. Plus the fiber tool which is only a few hundred. Of > >>>> course the cable which is not too bad when you get a volume break.) > >>>> > >>>> But then you'll be sitting pretty! Imagine! One of the few who already > >>>> have > >>>> fiber to the home! > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> I have my home on one end of my property and > >>> my workshop/offfice/junk place on the other end with about 300 ft between > >>> them. I have buried 1.5 inch pipe and run cat 5 through it, but of course > >>> a lighting storm took out the hub on one end (spared the other though) > >> > >> Yeah, outdoor conductive LANs in Florida are contraindicated for just that > >> reason. > > > > You'd think that galvanized pipe would "solve" the problem by minimizing the > > voltage difference between the two points. Of course, if you run PVC, you'd > > have to run a ground wire through it and ground it thoroughly at each end. > > > > (Yes, I know that lightning can still strike and be transmitted regardless. > > I'm just sayin'...) > > Well, even if the strike-to-ground resistance through the pipe is pretty low > (like 1 milliohm or whatever), if you pass a million amperes through it > courtesy of Mother Nature, that's likely to do some damage. Now, > superconducting pipe, OTOH... > The problem with these devices is they are tied to something that goes into the ground, and the insulation is no competition for a ESD of that magnitude, and the other end of that device is tied to a psu that is then connected to mains power, which in the USA for the most part is elevated so it becomes the other half of a big ESD capturing device.... Fibre is the best solution as far as I can see, I just have to get my 100m of fibre run so I will have the end solution to my problem. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 08:26:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCQF3L011861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:26:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KCQFDE011860 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:26:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCQEkR011856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:26:14 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCQE7l032487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:26:14 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCPuGS013313 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:25:56 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:25:51 -0600 Message-Id: <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:25:44 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.079, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.11, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" wrote: > I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, > seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this > time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting > this > message when I try to get into my systems at home. > You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you are in? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 08:53:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCr8ss012042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:53:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KCr8ac012041 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:53:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCr7MX012037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:53:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCr7j6001339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:53:07 -0400 Received: from eagle.heavysystems.com (rrcs-67-78-206-58.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.206.58]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KCqiHS001858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:52:44 -0400 Received: from www.heavysystems.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eagle.heavysystems.com (8.13.7/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9KCqUiO003895 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:52:30 -0400 Received: from 208.205.82.65 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user rmorgan) by www.heavysystems.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3866.208.205.82.65.1161348750.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570610191940t32817327i15b22ead27df7627@mail.gmail.com> References: <200610191307.07174.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191211o37c7eea6y71a1a7dc830df736@mail.gmail.com> <200610191603.28188.steve@szmidt.org> <620c90570610191642j7fb8b0f5p769810b5a7119600@mail.gmail.com> <453830AB.4030706@quillandmouse.com> <620c90570610191940t32817327i15b22ead27df7627@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable From: "Rich Morgan" To: slug@nks.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.062, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.06, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > The problem with these devices is they are tied to something that goes > into > the ground, and the insulation is no competition for a ESD of that > magnitude, > and the other end of that device is tied to a psu that is then connected > to > mains power, which in the USA for the most part is elevated so it becomes > the other half of a big ESD capturing device.... > > Fibre is the best solution as far as I can see, I just have to get my 100m > of fibre run so I will have the end solution to my problem. I know I'm jumping into this conversation a little late seeing all of these replies, but this thread is pretty interesting and I have to ask: What about wireless? Directional antennas at both ends to maximize the range? No digging, no cable pulls. For your workshop that's only a couple hundred feet away, that should work, I believe. It's not the speed of fiber, but I would think it's easier to set up. -Rich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 09:45:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDjBe3012563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:45:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KDjB3w012562 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:45:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDjAFQ012558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:45:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDjAS1004925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:45:10 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.228]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDiqvJ009211 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:44:52 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so333896hui for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:44:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d+lrf3k7balfQ7rIzTC+xwfAF37QprHZ6hTk9LDnfsvgKwFjWdUS2SbZpEuVLKB1qdp+FovsyHMc438sevTwkSpncWBuYQ1AvsaziR9F0X5W6rQ67AIYtbB3RZ6uu9G3XvDsAZQpJWTV8Xu03WWwTto8qAsSzN+nAUZWNKqAd8o= Received: by 10.48.220.15 with SMTP id s15mr8046476nfg; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610200644s54853adagf04da297d630d1c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:44:51 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host In-Reply-To: <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.259, required 6, AWL 0.66, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/20/06, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message > <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" > wrote: > > I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, > > seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > > with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this > > time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting > > this > > message when I try to get into my systems at home. > > > You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you are in? No, I even have the strong security turned off. It almost appears that there is something being changed in the ssh negociations that the far end does not like. My last contact with them was from TPA, (long live free WiFi) where I had no problem whatsoever, got on the airplane and arrived here and have not been able to access them sence. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 09:59:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDxpHC012672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:59:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KDxpgE012671 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:59:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDxpoD012667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:59:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDxpS9005820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:59:51 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KDxNSu006140 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:59:23 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7F005XXTIOJY89@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:59:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host In-reply-to: <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: >>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message > <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" > wrote: >> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, >> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem >> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this >> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting >> this >> message when I try to get into my systems at home. >> > You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you are in? Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII chrcter. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." - Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 10:38:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEcAsD013051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:38:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KEcANR013050 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:38:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEc96X013046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:38:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEc9UG008232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:38:09 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEblsY004193 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:37:47 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:37:42 -0600 Message-Id: <4538A6F0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:37:36 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.70, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 9:59 AM, in message , Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message >> <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" >> wrote: >>> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, >>> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem >>> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this >>> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting >>> this >>> message when I try to get into my systems at home. >>> >> You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you > are in? > > Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? Too bad you can't see your server logs to see if it's being intercepted prior to reaching the server. A server is refusing it, we know that much. Can you ping or traceroute on port 22 to see where it's going? The logs will tell. You are welcome to hit my server - I know it's open and functional. banaltech.net. I'll even create an id for you if you wish. You can verify if it's an interception problem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 10:39:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEdYBG013073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:39:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KEdY68013072 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:39:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEdXng013068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:39:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEdXaR008297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:39:33 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KEd3Il017000 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:39:03 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:39:02 -0600 Message-Id: <4538A73B.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:38:51 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.333, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.41, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 9:59 AM, in message , Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message >> <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" >> wrote: >>> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, >>> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem >>> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this >>> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting >>> this >>> message when I try to get into my systems at home. >>> >> You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you > are in? > > Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? And one more, use -vv and send the detail to the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 11:02:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF2Gcb013310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:02:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KF2G1m013309 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF2GMM013305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:02:16 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF2F2f009762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:02:16 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.224]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF1r0N013126 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:01:54 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id e11so160232qbe for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:01:53 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o82b0LitR0/wggBv146tm/RZ+ejLiA3q2HmEHWGS3PETeUKhSRnjQuDD6iMiuYk5eIjcg65sJjp99vk4cuI4UnSracXXHxilhR1RNhNGRAsyqYP9JhumsFduRphTuGhwy7Yh7BxKys3NjYIznTCKMY+erfF1yH1AbFIHshDal/c= Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr8160526nfk; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610200801y2b7df5e7s32d25d70e176a267@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:01:48 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.802, required 6, AWL 0.39, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/20/06, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: > > >>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message > > <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" > > wrote: > >> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, > >> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > >> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this > >> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting > >> this > >> message when I try to get into my systems at home. > >> > > You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you are in? > > Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? > > - One of them uses a port way up above 30k (that was how I stopped the script kiddies from bombarding the thing) and it will not work. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 11:05:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF5Pus013337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:05:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KF5P7N013336 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:05:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF5OSX013332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:05:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF5OfM009943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:05:24 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.228]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KF529s003436 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:05:03 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so351627hui for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:05:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V+msq7RJQCzKJ3S3Jo8lsKLutDE54JiG7PamBDXob1iS3HRIm9x7cTKNW48ZK96VI7STj0YcKvCUK6kIaTOQoZ02rqBz6XYpF1WWFrSf3IDTef8p9gy0bzbnK+I3q2OPtKzXuI2Db80vG2oQ8tKTrRj8WVO1b91SVARojy9yIrM= Received: by 10.82.139.17 with SMTP id m17mr556553bud; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610200805i4705d980x554612e57efa4a02@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:05:01 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host In-Reply-To: <4538A6F0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4538A6F0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.163, required 6, AWL 0.75, BAYES_40 -0.18, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/20/06, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 9:59 AM, in message > , Eben King > wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: > > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message > >> <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" > >> wrote: > >>> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, > >>> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > >>> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this > >>> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting > >>> this > >>> message when I try to get into my systems at home. > >>> > >> You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you > > are in? > > > > Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? > > Too bad you can't see your server logs to see if it's being intercepted prior to reaching the server. A server is refusing it, we know that much. Can you ping or traceroute on port 22 to see where it's going? The logs will tell. > You are welcome to hit my server - I know it's open and functional. banaltech.net. I'll even create an id for you if you wish. You can verify if it's an interception problem. Thank you, indeed I would to. I am going to do the traceroute and see what it shows. If I do a ssh -v I get the following: kp4djt@RF-mobile:~/bin> ssh -v -l root 24.129.134.206 -p 3nnnn OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Applying options for * debug1: Connecting to 24.129.134.206 [24.129.134.206] port 3nnnn debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/kp4djt/.ssh/identity type -1 debug1: identity file /home/kp4djt/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/kp4djt/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 11:13:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFD0Jn013383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:13:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KFD0M0013382 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:13:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFD0TS013378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:13:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFD0ui010346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:13:00 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.236]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFCj24008595 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:12:46 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so353269hui for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:12:44 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A+9AJOKdUddKq3oggwHQyWibAPB3W3qBR2Rm7Lu0B1jabCiAWEbWw/+cxEAmYJvJUbZ6epIBfUaDrOHz/I+w69PPK6d88HAUhtEUpbulIXEO6LxCuHqcmgaVnJv5tWAD//gLLgng0U5RdqguuHaQIaU30ckqf0T4hvWV5ROht7o= Received: by 10.49.36.6 with SMTP id o6mr483109nfj; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610200812n1043d240tb34ef3182414d360@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:12:39 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host In-Reply-To: <4538A73B.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4538A73B.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.937, required 6, AWL 0.34, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/20/06, John Pugh wrote: > >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 9:59 AM, in message > , Eben King > wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: > > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message > >> <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" > >> wrote: > >>> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, > >>> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > >>> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this > >>> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting > >>> this > >>> message when I try to get into my systems at home. > >>> > >> You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you > > are in? > > > > Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? > > And one more, use -vv and send the detail to the list. Did it. I also made sure the StrictKey checking is set to 'ask' and I still get the same thing. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 11:33:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFXiPj013583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:33:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KFXiYD013582 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:33:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFXit8013578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:33:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFXi4e011437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:33:44 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFXN8D017392 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:33:23 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:33:22 -0600 Message-Id: <4538B3FD.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:33:17 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4538A73B.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570610200812n1043d240tb34ef3182414d360@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570610200812n1043d240tb34ef3182414d360@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.128, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.13, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 11:12 AM, in message <620c90570610200812n1043d240tb34ef3182414d360@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" wrote: > On 10/20/06, John Pugh wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 9:59 AM, in message >> , Eben King >> wrote: >> > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: >> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message >> >> <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" >> >> wrote: >> >>> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, >> >>> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem >> >>> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but > this >> >>> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting >> >>> this >> >>> message when I try to get into my systems at home. >> >>> >> >> You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that > you >> > are in? >> > >> > Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? >> >> And one more, use - vv and send the detail to the list. > > Did it. I also made sure the StrictKey checking is set to 'ask' > and I still get the same thing. > only other thing is that the entropy table could be "out of randomness"? vv tells us nothing special other than a high port - try my server with the std port and see that does it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 11:38:41 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFcfL8013619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:38:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KFcfaq013618 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:38:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFcfmG013614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:38:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFceVl011726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:38:41 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFcJ5L008896 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:38:19 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id f25so68144pyf for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:38:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mXgaZnUbXOpcG78OlteiNJzieejBFnbjswOZMkjg8AFMw+65v9Bw48vgQkHkRxrCtLCaSfcvJwvVaupQC/A1UZVAmLQ7x29nPiE9jZENUbJGfEFahQxTUs+w+HvtXJkhOLBcARaut6IwHFgdkmzN0gB7pvClQNC7fvbuXveyCCk= Received: by 10.35.19.6 with SMTP id w6mr813202pyi; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.129.10 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 08:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860610200836u21fc61f8q775d2d4cd76e040d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:36:41 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22318_5121378.1161358601237" References: <200610182216.k9IMGL1A013985@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> <31f129860610190733x17782147s7c6e7e50444b7713@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.032, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.23, BAYES_40 -0.18, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_SX 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_22318_5121378.1161358601237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 10/19/06, Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Robert Snyder wrote: > > > I would just like to say there is a simplier way of doing this. If the > > Condo Assoc is going to be aholes, like most of them are and they are > saying > > only 1 cable can be seen well give them only one cable. Instead of > soing > > spliting or any wierd nonstandard hack. Simple take 2 cat 6 cable take > some > > zipties to hold them together and then put Heat Shrink casing over them. > > Now you only one one visable cable. and they dont have to be any the > wiser > > that there is really two cables there. > > I don't know what 100 feet of shrink-wrap tube costs, but I suspect it's > "more than a couple of routers/486s-with-NICs". And depending on whether > they can see the ends, that might be a giveaway. Standard PVC based heat shrink tubing cost only 19.00 for a 100 foot lenght. It is cheaper than the solid cat 6 which I cant seem to fine cheaper than 21 dollars per 100 that is just raw un crimped cat 6 solid PVC. Not even plenium coated . Though I did point that in my post that I felt he was beter off just buying a good cheap 5 port switch from a major brand name as they are cheap and would slove such issues. But only if he on splitting or haing tow lines he could hide both lines with heatshrink tubing. P.S. A good hair dryer does jusxt as good a s a heat gun if you let it warm up. -- > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > > A: It's annoying as hell > > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger > http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 10/19/06, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Robert Snyder wrote:

> I would just like to say there is a simplier way of doing this.  If the
> Condo Assoc is going to be aholes, like most of them are and they are saying
> only 1 cable can be seen well give them only one cable.  Instead of soing
> spliting or any wierd nonstandard hack.  Simple take 2 cat 6 cable take some
> zipties to hold them together and then put Heat Shrink casing over them.
> Now you only one one visable cable.  and they dont have to be any the wiser
> that there is really two cables there.

I don't know what 100 feet of shrink-wrap tube costs, but I suspect it's
"more than a couple of routers/486s-with-NICs".  And depending on whether
they can see the ends, that might be a giveaway.
 
Standard PVC based heat shrink tubing cost only 19.00 for a 100 foot lenght. It is cheaper than the solid cat 6 which I cant seem to fine cheaper than 21 dollars per 100 that is just raw un crimped cat 6 solid PVC.  Not even plenium coated .  Though I did point that in my post that I felt he was beter off just buying a good cheap 5 port switch from a major brand name as they are cheap and would slove such issues.  But only if he on splitting or haing tow lines he could hide both lines with heatshrink tubing. 
 
P.S.  A good hair dryer does jusxt as good a s a heat gun   if you let it warm up.
 

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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 11:45:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFjOqO013687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:45:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KFjOMV013686 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:45:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFjN4Z013682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:45:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFjNj6012073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:45:23 -0400 Received: from cognac (rrcs-24-73-223-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.223.62]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KFiwTw010158 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:45:01 -0400 Received: from [24.73.122.186] by cognac with SMTP (EHLO florezlaptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.8.8)); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:44:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host From: Todd Patton To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <620c90570610200805i4705d980x554612e57efa4a02@mail.gmail.com> References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <4538A6F0.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570610200805i4705d980x554612e57efa4a02@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:48:07 -0400 Message-Id: <1161359287.4431.15.camel@jupiter.acpdata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.125, required 6, AWL -0.69, BAYES_40 -0.18, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2006-10-20 at 11:05 -0400, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 10/20/06, John Pugh wrote: > > >>> On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 9:59 AM, in message > > , Eben King > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, John Pugh wrote: > > > > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message > > >> <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck Hast" > > >> wrote: > > >>> I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex City, > > >>> seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a problem > > >>> with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host file, but this > > >>> time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am here I am getting > > >>> this > > >>> message when I try to get into my systems at home. > > >>> > > >> You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that you > > > are in? > > > > > > Or maybe that ISP blocks 22 outgoing for some reason? > > > > Too bad you can't see your server logs to see if it's being intercepted prior to reaching the server. A server is refusing it, we know that much. Can you ping or traceroute on port 22 to see where it's going? The logs will tell. > > You are welcome to hit my server - I know it's open and functional. banaltech.net. I'll even create an id for you if you wish. You can verify if it's an interception problem. > > Thank you, indeed I would to. I am going to do the traceroute and see what > it shows. If I do a ssh -v I get the following: > kp4djt@RF-mobile:~/bin> ssh -v -l root 24.129.134.206 -p 3nnnn > OpenSSH_4.2p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug1: Applying options for * > debug1: Connecting to 24.129.134.206 [24.129.134.206] port 3nnnn > debug1: Connection established. > debug1: identity file /home/kp4djt/.ssh/identity type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/kp4djt/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/kp4djt/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > Are you using pgp keys for identification? and also I might mention try using port 22 instead of "3nnnn", Todd D. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 14:27:37 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KIRbgV015028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:27:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KIRbSC015027 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:27:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KIRa3T015023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:27:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KIRaWc022764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:27:36 -0400 Received: from randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KIRN38012898 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:27:23 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a4.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C533195561 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:27:22 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:27:20 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <620c90570610191940t32817327i15b22ead27df7627@mail.gmail.com> <3866.208.205.82.65.1161348750.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: <3866.208.205.82.65.1161348750.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610201427.20185.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.26, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.26) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 20 October 2006 08:52, Rich Morgan wrote: > > The problem with these devices is they are tied to something that goes > > into > > the ground, and the insulation is no competition for a ESD of that > > magnitude, > > and the other end of that device is tied to a psu that is then connected > > to > > mains power, which in the USA for the most part is elevated so it becomes > > the other half of a big ESD capturing device.... > > > > Fibre is the best solution as far as I can see, I just have to get my > > 100m of fibre run so I will have the end solution to my problem. > > I know I'm jumping into this conversation a little late seeing all of > these replies, but this thread is pretty interesting and I have to ask: > What about wireless? Directional antennas at both ends to maximize the > range? No digging, no cable pulls. For your workshop that's only a > couple hundred feet away, that should work, I believe. It's not the speed > of fiber, but I would think it's easier to set up. One thing one has to consider is that wireless is still only up to being almost "secure". Adding the extra work that it takes to lock it down further is seldom done. One problem is where do you find them? How much extra money and so on? I still prefer fiber as it's actually such a sweet setup and does not carry the high tag it once did. All you need is someone who has the tools to make the ends. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 14:28:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KISmAJ015044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:28:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KISmrZ015043 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:28:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KISlma015039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:28:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KISlIU022832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:28:47 -0400 Received: from randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-81.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KISLOq032455 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:28:21 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a5.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484288F6E0 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:28:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com> <45388808.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <620c90570610200644s54853adagf04da297d630d1c3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570610200644s54853adagf04da297d630d1c3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610201428.18657.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.149, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 20 October 2006 09:44, Chuck Hast wrote: > On 10/20/06, John Pugh wrote: > > >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM, in message > > > > <620c90570610191714t2765d23eo97bbaa34d64f0142@mail.gmail.com>, "Chuck > > Hast" > > > > wrote: > > > I have been trying to get into my machines at home. I am down in Mex > > > City, seems that every where I got I am getting this message. I had a > > > problem with it a while back and the fix was to remove the known_host > > > file, but this time it does not fix it. It does not matter where I am > > > here I am getting this > > > message when I try to get into my systems at home. > > > > You aren't blocking anything on those servers? Like a range of IP's that > > you are in? > > No, I even have the strong security turned off. It almost appears that > there is something being changed in the ssh negociations that the far end > does not like. My last contact with them was from TPA, (long live free > WiFi) where I had no problem whatsoever, got on the airplane and arrived > here and have not been able to access them sence. Turn on -vvv and see if one is locked down on protocol version 1 and the other on 2. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 17:19:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KLJj8H016533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:19:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KLJjHs016532 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:19:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KLJiN0016528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:19:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KLJihK002189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:19:44 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KLJMLT022775 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:19:22 -0400 Received: from merlin ([71.101.98.158]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7G00KDMDW9Z4J4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:19:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:19:26 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Splitting Cat 6 cable In-reply-to: <200610201427.20185.steve@szmidt.org> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610201719.26601.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <3866.208.205.82.65.1161348750.squirrel@www.heavysystems.com> <200610201427.20185.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.756, required 6, AWL 0.60, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > One thing one has to consider is that wireless is still only up to being > almost "secure". Adding the extra work that it takes to lock it down > further is seldom done. One problem is where do you find them? How much > extra money and so on? > > I still prefer fiber as it's actually such a sweet setup and does not carry > the high tag it once did. All you need is someone who has the tools to make > the ends. You make them out of cereal box and cardboard. They work pretty good. Plans on the net. Joe Brandt 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 18:46:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KMk7eB017229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:46:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9KMk7kS017228 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:46:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KMk6TB017224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:46:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KMjqvu006986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:46:06 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-24-173-136-82.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.136.82]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9KMjfH7028569 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:45:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F921170538 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:45:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sigtom.com Received: from tec.sigtom.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tec.sigtom.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RvwIMfujgJR0 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718341170EB5 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (hammer.sigtom.com [192.168.1.6]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7701170538 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45395194.2040502@sigtom.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:45:40 -0400 From: Tom Craddock Jr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) Subject: [SLUG] Which do I install first? (Quardrupale Boot) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey all, Got a new AMD dual core mobot and it has 6 SATA (looka to be Linux supported in FC5 and Suse) The mobo is the Asus M2N32-DL Deluxe, looks like only lm sensors and wifi wont work, I an deal. I plan on mirroring these drives, but it 6 SATA x 500GB and 1 x 500 GB HDD. Ive never set up a RAID before, but the info in the mobo manual has shown me what to expect. Is this how you set one up, use the BIOS tools? If not, how? I want FC5_x64 , Suse 10.?_x64, Windows XP Pro 32 and 64 bit, so 4 OS, which I think it can take, I hope at least, largest undertaking of the sort Ive made. If I want the boot loader ,lilo I think it is, in FC5-X64 to be the one that lets me choose from the other 3, in what order should I install OS'? Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Oct 20 20:28:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9L0SCsY018130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:28:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9L0SCUI018129 for slug-track29; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:28:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9L0SCfm018125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:28:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9L0SCMx012345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:28:12 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9L0RqOm019572 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:27:52 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7G00KH9MLZYRZ5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:27:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:27:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] date conversion X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:11:41 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LFBfXG025451 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:11:41 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LFBfYa025447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:11:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LFBeUD004988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:11:41 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LFBLiT023716 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:11:21 -0400 Received: from merlin ([71.101.98.158]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7H005C5RIVJY9D@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:11:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:11:26 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: [SLUG] Wierd spam To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610211111.26126.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.858, required 6, AWL -0.56, BAYES_20 -0.74, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have been getting (for a while now) e-mails with complete gibberish in the body or no body at all. What is the reason some spammer would send this? They are not selling anything and are no attachments. It does not make sense to me. -- Joe Brandt 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 11:26:02 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LFQ2Ne025640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:26:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LFQ2NS025639 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:26:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LFQ2kT025631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:26:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LFQ1cO005802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:26:01 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LFPfHH010305 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:25:41 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7H00CR7S6GCTO4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:25:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam In-reply-to: <200610211111.26126.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.334, required 6, AWL 0.27, BAYES_00 -2.60, SARE_BAYES_5x7 0.60, SARE_BAYES_6x7 0.60, SARE_BAYES_7x7 0.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Joe Brandt wrote: > I have been getting (for a while now) e-mails with complete gibberish in > the body or no body at all. What is the reason some spammer would send > this? They are not selling anything and are no attachments. It does not > make sense to me. As a means of verifying delivery for his "$BIGNUM CONFIRMED addresses!" CD? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP 1101000 1110100 1110100 1110000 0111010 0101111 0101111 1110010 1101111 1111001 1100001 1101100 1110100 1111001 0101110 1101110 1101111 0101101 1101001 1110000 0101110 1101111 1110010 1100111 0111010 0111000 0110001 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 13:08:45 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LH8jHN026466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:08:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LH8jkf026465 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:08:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LH8jVd026461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:08:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LH8j5H010988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:08:45 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LH8Pji013971 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:08:25 -0400 Received: from merlin ([71.101.98.158]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7H002EIWXHQQCG@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:08:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:07:57 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610211307.57682.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610211111.26126.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.155, required 6, AWL -0.00, BAYES_50 0.00, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 21 October 2006 11:25, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Joe Brandt wrote: > > I have been getting (for a while now) e-mails with complete gibberish in > > the body or no body at all. What is the reason some spammer would send > > this? They are not selling anything and are no attachments. It does not > > make sense to me. > > As a means of verifying delivery for his "$BIGNUM CONFIRMED addresses!" CD? So kontact automatically opens it and sends back "We have a live one and I get included in yet another spam list? -- Joe Brandt 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 13:13:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHDGc5026503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:13:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LHDGxr026502 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:13:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHDFGI026498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:13:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHDFax011190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:13:15 -0400 Received: from randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-211.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.211]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHCnv9000610 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:12:50 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D990109E8B for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which do I install first? (Quardrupale Boot) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:12:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <45395194.2040502@sigtom.com> In-Reply-To: <45395194.2040502@sigtom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610211312.45441.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.84, required 6, AWL -1.93, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Friday 20 October 2006 18:45, Tom Craddock Jr wrote: > Hey all, > > Got a new AMD dual core mobot and it has 6 SATA (looka to be Linux > supported in FC5 and Suse) The mobo is the Asus M2N32-DL Deluxe, looks > like only lm sensors and wifi wont work, I an deal. I plan on > mirroring these drives, but it 6 SATA x 500GB and 1 x 500 GB HDD. Ive > never set up a RAID before, but the info in the mobo manual has shown me > what to expect. Is this how you set one up, use the BIOS tools? If > not, how? I want FC5_x64 , Suse 10.?_x64, Windows XP Pro 32 and 64 bit, > so 4 OS, which I think it can take, I hope at least, largest undertaking > of the sort Ive made. If I want the boot loader ,lilo I think it is, in > FC5-X64 to be the one that lets me choose from the other 3, in what > order should I install OS'? It might be a good idea if you reread your email and fix the typo's as there are some things you say which is very hard to understand. Like 'I an deal'. Regarding RAID, in your case that can be done from the BIOS when it supports it. Of course Linux does support software RAID too, but usually hardware RAID is faster and invisible to the OS when done on hardware. About the boot order, usually you want to install windows first. It wants to be on the first partition on the first drive. With Grub boot loader you can make it look like the first partition on the first drive even if it's not. (Not sure if Lilo supports that.) To have multiple Linux installs on the same drive you need to make a change to /etc/fstab. Once you have installed windows and are configuring the partitions for the first Linux install, make notes of how you configure them. In other words you want to know the /dev and mount point. Then when done with the install, edit /etc/fstab and replace all the LABEL references with the actual /dev location. The reason for this is when you boot up with two installs you can confuse the bootup routine as to which partitions it should use. (I prefer grub over lilo as it's far more flexible and only needs to find its config file to work. Easy to change on the fly if you need to and so on.) -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 13:14:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHEAk0026519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:14:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LHEAAc026518 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:14:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHE97F026514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:14:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHE9O3011231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:14:09 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHDtwV008797 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:13:56 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9LHDs67025076 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Wierd spam Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:15:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <200610211307.57682.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> Thread-Index: Acb1M7XdKiHBh6jjSXilHAavElaJtAAAHIdg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.736, required 6, AWL -0.91, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >> As a means of verifying delivery for his "$BIGNUM CONFIRMED addresses!" CD? >> So kontact automatically opens it and sends back "We have a live one and I get included in yet another spam list? No. He's checking to see if it bounces. So what we need in this case, is a program that sends a fake non-delivery message. It needs to look different than a reply that you would send. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brandt Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:08 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam On Saturday 21 October 2006 11:25, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Joe Brandt wrote: > > I have been getting (for a while now) e-mails with complete > > gibberish in the body or no body at all. What is the reason some > > spammer would send this? They are not selling anything and are no > > attachments. It does not make sense to me. > > As a means of verifying delivery for his "$BIGNUM CONFIRMED addresses!" CD? So kontact automatically opens it and sends back "We have a live one and I get included in yet another spam list? -- Joe Brandt 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 13:15:06 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHF6DF026540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:15:06 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LHF6C3026539 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:15:06 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHF5vS026535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:15:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHF5tE011282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:15:05 -0400 Received: from randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-83.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LHEsdS014878 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:14:55 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD9918D605 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:14:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610211111.26126.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200610211111.26126.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610211314.51704.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.294, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.29) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 21 October 2006 11:11, Joe Brandt wrote: > I have been getting (for a while now) e-mails with complete gibberish in > the body or no body at all. What is the reason some spammer would send > this? They are not selling anything and are no attachments. It does not > make sense to me. Usually to verify your address as a working one. Sometimes they hope that you will go to some page which has viruses, or as another less advanced method of verifying your address. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 14:16:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIFx0N027052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:15:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LIFxO2027051 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:15:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIFx6b027047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:15:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIFw7v016124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:15:59 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIFXoV023987 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:15:34 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so1914471nfc for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:15:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B/cZ9+HYKYPm3p94Yw7RAhdhlC9eiIl2CfsScTspjdOP13oQh2pAqknUEIXoON+2Vokv8/RaSja/BciRvzTFugMbDPbdHtBeaM66Z6osMiMdnrYK1k1xLuVRI05m5K+r90/9ExRZHraxqXNR5B/Ezm6Yi13L3SUlJuLcjnoglM8= Received: by 10.78.128.11 with SMTP id a11mr4226207hud; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610211115vdba82a1k17cb7025003eb3a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:15:32 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam In-Reply-To: <200610211314.51704.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610211111.26126.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <200610211314.51704.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.01, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.01, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Usually to verify your address as a working one. Sometimes they hope that you > will go to some page which has viruses, or as another less advanced method of > verifying your address. Some of the older ones used to be html emails that contained a reference to a transparent gif or similar on the spammer's site, so when/if you opened it, if your client was set to render html email, it would attempt to load the image from the site, and the spammer would simply reap the http server log. -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 14:27:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIRX7C027209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:27:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LIRXaJ027208 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:27:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIRWkm027204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:27:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIRWZT019170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:27:32 -0400 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIQnKb013482 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:26:50 -0400 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n15so1917263nfc for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:26:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K5vncFJiJpnIoC+vHJYarsquQTc0b7wrf3x2awvs5uB8yFxBwXglL8pkaNm+4JZn1EwjcnNfZo3DBhQurDd2RJpdNLvsH7te/a/uXFpJgJnEhSfGU5Kno/K2MPF8+ZF3+bcqANeMIXt8cUCqQQ1L/HgfB/jZwySwnenwjQsXeKU= Received: by 10.78.200.20 with SMTP id x20mr4305411huf; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610211126sf645d8ah444de012c282401c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:26:47 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] date conversion In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.666, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.67, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Getting the start time is straightforward -- use "ps -o lstart $dd_pid". > Fine, convert it to seconds with "date -d blahblah +%s", add it to the > offset, but then what? How do I convert it back? Something like: -- #!/bin/sh HOURS=`expr $1 / 3600` MINUTES=`echo "($1 % 3600) / 60" | bc` SECONDS=`echo "($1 % 60)" | bc` printf "%02d:%02d:%02d" $HOURS $MINUTES $SECONDS -- -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 14:37:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIb7Uh027280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:37:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LIb7Z2027279 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:37:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIb6fN027275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:37:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIb5Dl021382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:37:05 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LIakVE022416 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:46 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7I0093F10QXNC8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:36:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310610211115vdba82a1k17cb7025003eb3a0@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200610211314.51704.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610211115vdba82a1k17cb7025003eb3a0@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.30, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Usually to verify your address as a working one. Sometimes they hope that >> you will go to some page which has viruses, or as another less advanced >> method of verifying your address. > > Some of the older ones used to be html emails that contained a > reference to a transparent gif or similar on the spammer's site, so > when/if you opened it, if your client was set to render html email, it > would attempt to load the image from the site, and the spammer would > simply reap the http server log. There you have it. Non-HTML-capable MUAs reduce spam. (Yes, I know that's a gross simplification...) -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 15:09:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJ92tG027564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:09:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LJ92V5027563 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:09:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJ92bK027559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:09:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJ91TX025057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:09:02 -0400 Received: from randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-211.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.211]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJ8hei021443 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:08:43 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a11.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39547109EB0 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 12:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:08:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610211111.26126.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> <200610211314.51704.steve@szmidt.org> <1a3a3e310610211115vdba82a1k17cb7025003eb3a0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a3a3e310610211115vdba82a1k17cb7025003eb3a0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610211508.40684.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.331, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.33, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 21 October 2006 14:15, Levi Bard wrote: > > Usually to verify your address as a working one. Sometimes they hope that > > you will go to some page which has viruses, or as another less advanced > > method of verifying your address. > > Some of the older ones used to be html emails that contained a > reference to a transparent gif or similar on the spammer's site, so > when/if you opened it, if your client was set to render html email, it > would attempt to load the image from the site, and the spammer would > simply reap the http server log. Yes, though this way requires less as they don't get a bounced notice you do if it cannot be delivered. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 15:14:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJErux027600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:14:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LJErtA027599 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:14:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJEqk9027595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:14:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJEqj2025286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:14:52 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LJETRM022151 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:14:29 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7I00C352RZCME5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:14:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] date conversion In-reply-to: <1a3a3e310610211126sf645d8ah444de012c282401c@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1a3a3e310610211126sf645d8ah444de012c282401c@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Levi Bard wrote: >> Getting the start time is straightforward -- use "ps -o lstart $dd_pid". >> Fine, convert it to seconds with "date -d blahblah +%s", add it to the >> offset, but then what? How do I convert it back? > > Something like: > -- > #!/bin/sh > HOURS=`expr $1 / 3600` > MINUTES=`echo "($1 % 3600) / 60" | bc` > SECONDS=`echo "($1 % 60)" | bc` > > printf "%02d:%02d:%02d" $HOURS $MINUTES $SECONDS Ah, brute force then? I was hoping there was a simpler way. How about this? #include "date_abuse.h" eben@pc:~$ DS=1234567890 # date in seconds-since-1/1/1970-midnight eben@pc:~$ date -d "1/1/1970 0:0:$DS" Fri Feb 13 23:31:30 EST 2009 I suppose I could skip DS altogether... -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 17:12:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LLC5wH028613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:12:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LLC5hu028612 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LLC5mn028608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:12:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LLC4xS031747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:12:05 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LLBnHX014863 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:11:49 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [72.64.179.253] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 4V0HQ00 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:11:47 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Backlit keyboard OT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:19:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610211719.43063.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.169, required 6, AWL -1.43, BAYES_20 -0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, The old guy is vision impaired and is beginning to have a lot of trouble seeing the keys on the keyboard. Decided to get a backlit keyboard. Googling around amd looking at hardware vendors I find that there are quite a few offered from $15 to $400. Now I know I don't want the cheapo and can't afford the other end, and besides that I have no idea how effective or readable they are. So the OT question is: Do any of you have experience with them or can make a reccomendation?? Prefer PS2 Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 18:13:05 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMD4CD029118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:13:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LMD4mc029117 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:13:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMD4G5029113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:13:04 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMD4nT002781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:13:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMCimP010833 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:12:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.2] (117-151.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.151.117]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9LMCgsY024651; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453A9BA5.2030900@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:13:57 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060730 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Backlit keyboard OT References: <200610211719.43063.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200610211719.43063.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.186, required 6, AWL -0.97, BAYES_60 1.00, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > The old guy is vision impaired and is beginning to have a lot of trouble > seeing the keys on the keyboard. Decided to get a backlit keyboard. > Googling around amd looking at hardware vendors I find that there are quite a > few offered from $15 to $400. Now I know I don't want the cheapo and can't > afford the other end, and besides that I have no idea how effective or > readable they are. > So the OT question is: Do any of you have experience with them or can make a > reccomendation?? Prefer PS2 He should learn to touch type, everything else is a temporary measure. -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 18:18:24 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMIN8W029221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:18:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LMINrN029220 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:18:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMINAv029216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:18:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMINLp003140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:18:23 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMIEuN023663 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:18:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.15.2] (117-151.124-70.tampabay.res.rr.com [70.124.151.117]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9LMICQW001986; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453A9CEF.8050309@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:19:27 -0400 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.6) Gecko/20060730 SeaMonkey/1.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge References: <200610120528.45564.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610120528.45564.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.396, required 6, AWL -0.76, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Here's an interesting mystery for those of you with too much time on your > hands: > We all know that capacity on computers is measured in bytes, where 1KB is > 1024bytes. It arrives of course at 1024 since we deal with a binary system > which grows like this. > 2 4 6 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 > Pretty straight forward. > Now some of you have 1GB RAM. When you run a check on that the number that > shows up is 1,048,048. > How do they arrive at 1,048,048? What is 1024 X 1024 ? (1048576) minus some kind of over head. (like the directory structure ???) -- Ron KA4INM ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 18:44:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMiZAZ029413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LMiZmM029412 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMiZFe029408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMiZuu004409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:35 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LMiDlV026457 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:14 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061021224415.ESRW23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:44:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id dAjq1V00B4g4wUs0000000 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:44:10 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.602, required 6, AWL -1.01, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey, all! The Wife, the Kiddo and I went on our traditional garage sale excursions today and found one heckuva deal! I picked up an HP Color Laserjet 4550N for $100.00! The guy said that it works perfectly, and if I find that to be wrong, he'll give me a full refund. The printer has the optional internal print server and the extra paper tray. I wondered if any of you fine ladies and/or gentlemen have any experience using this particular bad-boy under Linux. I have not yet cleared a place to put it, so it is still sitting out in the car. I'm not terribly worried about getting this thing to print under Win or Mac, but then there's our beloved Linux. What I've read on linuxprinting.org is that it works really well under Postscript, and I have not yet tried it (at all since it's still in the car), but I wanted to check and see if any of you could share your experience to let me know what I'm getting myself into. Thanks in advance! --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 19:00:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LN0wEl029583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:00:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LN0waT029582 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:00:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LN0wtW029578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:00:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LN0wMS005424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:00:58 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LN0UmQ012172 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:00:30 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061021230031.WYGC7951.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:00:31 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id dB061V00J4g4wUs0000000 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:00:06 -0400 Message-ID: <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 18:00:26 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.728, required 6, AWL -1.88, BAYES_60 1.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > Hey, all! > > The Wife, the Kiddo and I went on our traditional garage sale > excursions today and found one heckuva deal! I picked up an HP Color > Laserjet 4550N for $100.00! The guy said that it works perfectly, and > if I find that to be wrong, he'll give me a full refund. The printer > has the optional internal print server and the extra paper tray. I > wondered if any of you fine ladies and/or gentlemen have any > experience using this particular bad-boy under Linux. I have not yet > cleared a place to put it, so it is still sitting out in the car. I'm > not terribly worried about getting this thing to print under Win or > Mac, but then there's our beloved Linux. What I've read on > linuxprinting.org is that it works really well under Postscript, and I > have not yet tried it (at all since it's still in the car), but I > wanted to check and see if any of you could share your experience to > let me know what I'm getting myself into. Thanks in advance! > > --Michael You know, I think I may have already found my answer. HP actually has a Linux driver for this printer listed on their web site. Go fig! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 19:17:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNHvR4029742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LNHvwd029741 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNHuN8029737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNHuKY006299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:56 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNHg7S030361 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:42 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GbQ61-00035E-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:41 -0400 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Wierd spam From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:17:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1161472660.1492.2.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.299, required 6, AWL 0.26, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:15 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > >> >> As a means of verifying delivery for his "$BIGNUM CONFIRMED > addresses!" CD? > > >> So kontact automatically opens it and sends back "We have a live one and > I get included in yet another spam list? > > No. He's checking to see if it bounces. So what we need in this case, is a > program that sends a fake non-delivery message. It needs to look different > than a reply that you would send. kmail can do this, but not Evolution, which kills me. Why not Evolution? Russell > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > -----Original Message----- > From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brandt > Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 1:08 PM > To: slug@nks.net > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam > > On Saturday 21 October 2006 11:25, Eben King wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, Joe Brandt wrote: > > > I have been getting (for a while now) e-mails with complete > > > gibberish in the body or no body at all. What is the reason some > > > spammer would send this? They are not selling anything and are no > > > attachments. It does not make sense to me. > > > > As a means of verifying delivery for his "$BIGNUM CONFIRMED addresses!" > CD? > > So kontact automatically opens it and sends back "We have a live one and I > get included in yet another spam list? > > -- > Joe Brandt > 100% Microsoft Free and Loving it!! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted > are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy > or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 19:40:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNeXxB029903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:40:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LNeXow029902 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:40:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNeWhV029898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:40:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNeIpt007375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:40:32 -0400 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNe2sE032765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:40:03 -0400 Received: from pool-71-101-185-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.101.185.96] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GbQRZ-0007Fv-IY for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:57 -0400 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Wierd spam From: Logan Tygart To: SLUG In-Reply-To: <1161472660.1492.2.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <1161472660.1492.2.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-4WrnYIehb7YjnLp0UPqT" Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:39:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.45, required 6, AWL -1.19, FB_LOADING 1.64) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-4WrnYIehb7YjnLp0UPqT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 19:17 -0400, Russell Hires wrote: > On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:15 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > kmail can do this, but not Evolution, which kills me. Why not Evolution? It can if you tell Evolution only to load images from the folks in your address book. Tools =3D> Settings =3D> Mail Preferences =3D> Loading images Logan --=20 ...let's face it, people are better at whining than they are at being happy= ;) -- Linus Torvalds Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-4WrnYIehb7YjnLp0UPqT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFOq+V3OecGqSbkyMRAh0ZAJwJRMpC8s8FFPos/rSeEyNj4eedbwCfXnu1 uIAxP85bDOjdxHZC+U3KzJ0= =HJJl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-4WrnYIehb7YjnLp0UPqT-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 19:50:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNogbL029972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LNogmB029971 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNofPf029967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNof9k007897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:41 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNoNIh014439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:23 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbQbe-0003pE-AY for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:22 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6177056BE7 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453AB23C.40801@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:50:20 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Backlit keyboard OT References: <200610211719.43063.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200610211719.43063.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.221, required 6, AWL -0.93, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > The old guy is vision impaired and is beginning to have a lot of trouble > seeing the keys on the keyboard. Decided to get a backlit keyboard. > > Googling around amd looking at hardware vendors I find that there are quite a > few offered from $15 to $400. Now I know I don't want the cheapo and can't > afford the other end, and besides that I have no idea how effective or > readable they are. > > So the OT question is: Do any of you have experience with them or can make a > reccomendation?? Prefer PS2 As previously mentioned, touch typing is the real answer. However: Large keyboard legends (yellow keys with black legends), USB keyboard with a PS/2 adapter. Only problem is that the keyboard layout is the new "Microsoft" layout for the edit keys. But if you're not a touch typist, it may not matter. $34.95. http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=10391 Or: Same as above but with black keys and white legends: http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11270 Or: As above, but keyboard and keys are white with black legends: http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11271 Or: Backlit, but with the standard layout ($44.97): http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11141 I'm guessing that the "large legend" keyboard is more what you want, rather than a backlit one, unless you insist in working in low light conditions. I can't vouch for the quality of these products, but for weird hard-to-find stuff, I love Cyberguys. You can get on their mailing list, and they'll send you a paper catalog once in a while, with everything you could ever want to build PCs, repair PCs, etc. Paul -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 19:57:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNvuWC030027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9LNvubn030026 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNvt2s030022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNvtNB008315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:55 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9LNvhl0003939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:44 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbQik-0004Pt-NU for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:42 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id C123356BE7 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453AB3F4.2040600@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:57:40 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.911, required 6, AWL -1.24, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > Hey, all! > > The Wife, the Kiddo and I went on our traditional garage sale > excursions today and found one heckuva deal! I picked up an HP Color > Laserjet 4550N for $100.00! The guy said that it works perfectly, and > if I find that to be wrong, he'll give me a full refund. The printer > has the optional internal print server and the extra paper tray. I > wondered if any of you fine ladies and/or gentlemen have any experience > using this particular bad-boy under Linux. I have not yet cleared a > place to put it, so it is still sitting out in the car. I'm not > terribly worried about getting this thing to print under Win or Mac, but > then there's our beloved Linux. What I've read on linuxprinting.org is > that it works really well under Postscript, and I have not yet tried it > (at all since it's still in the car), but I wanted to check and see if > any of you could share your experience to let me know what I'm getting > myself into. Thanks in advance! > Good for you on checking http://www.linuxprinting.org (the definitive resource) first. According to these guys, it works "perfectly" under Linux. No personal experience, but these guys tell you which drivers are the best for a given printer, how to set it up, etc. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 20:19:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0JgEd030283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:19:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9M0JgTH030282 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:19:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0JfU9030278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:19:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0JfvN012865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:19:41 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0JLeU028148 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:19:21 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061022001922.XWJM29614.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:19:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id dCJv1V00c4g4wUs0000000 Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:18:57 -0400 Message-ID: <453AB903.3070205@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 19:19:15 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AB3F4.2040600@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <453AB3F4.2040600@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.705, required 6, AWL -1.91, BAYES_95 3.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > michael hast wrote: >> Hey, all! >> >> The Wife, the Kiddo and I went on our traditional garage sale >> excursions today and found one heckuva deal! I picked up an HP Color >> Laserjet 4550N for $100.00! The guy said that it works perfectly, >> and if I find that to be wrong, he'll give me a full refund. The >> printer has the optional internal print server and the extra paper >> tray. I wondered if any of you fine ladies and/or gentlemen have any >> experience using this particular bad-boy under Linux. I have not yet >> cleared a place to put it, so it is still sitting out in the car. >> I'm not terribly worried about getting this thing to print under Win >> or Mac, but then there's our beloved Linux. What I've read on >> linuxprinting.org is that it works really well under Postscript, and >> I have not yet tried it (at all since it's still in the car), but I >> wanted to check and see if any of you could share your experience to >> let me know what I'm getting myself into. Thanks in advance! >> > > Good for you on checking http://www.linuxprinting.org (the definitive > resource) first. According to these guys, it works "perfectly" under > Linux. No personal experience, but these guys tell you which drivers > are the best for a given printer, how to set it up, etc. > > Paul > Cool, thanks! As soon as I figure out where to put this thing, I'm sure I'll have fun printing on the network. I was going to set up an actual print server, but I suppose I don't really need to now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 20:25:49 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0PnK3030343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:25:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9M0Pn5X030342 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:25:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0PnlG030338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:25:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0PlTc014530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:25:47 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M0PRHk024232 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:25:27 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GbR9b-0000GN-00 for slug@nks.net; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:25:27 -0400 Subject: RE: [SLUG] Wierd spam From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <1161472660.1492.2.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:25:25 -0400 Message-Id: <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.607, required 6, AWL -4.07, BAYES_50 0.00, FB_LOADING 1.64, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 19:39 -0400, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 19:17 -0400, Russell Hires wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-10-21 at 13:15 -0400, Ken Elliott wrote: > > > kmail can do this, but not Evolution, which kills me. Why not Evolution? > > It can if you tell Evolution only to load images from the folks in your > address book. > > Tools => Settings => Mail Preferences => Loading images > Logan Ok, so it was a whine. :-) But really, overall I like Evolution better, though kmail does a few things better, and bouncing spam is one of them. The other is the loading images thing. I can keep them from coming in, but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I accept Evolution, warts and all. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 21:17:53 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M1HroO030780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9M1HrTt030779 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M1HqNe030775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M1Hq7V017414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:52 -0400 Received: from tec.sigtom.com (rrcs-24-173-136-82.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.136.82]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M1HVxA002497 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA57E11708BC for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sigtom.com Received: from tec.sigtom.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tec.sigtom.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZpbZXDR6349m for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7A71170EB2 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (thor.sigtom.com [192.168.1.2]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E964C11708BC for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453AC6A7.7040000@sigtom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:17:27 -0400 From: Tom Craddock Jr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Which do I install first? (Quardrupale Boot) References: <45395194.2040502@sigtom.com> <200610211312.45441.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610211312.45441.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.232, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.23, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Friday 20 October 2006 18:45, Tom Craddock Jr wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> Got a new AMD dual core mobot and it has 6 SATA (looka to be Linux >> supported in FC5 and Suse) The mobo is the Asus M2N32-DL Deluxe, looks >> like only lm sensors and wifi wont work, I an deal. >> > > It might be a good idea if you reread your email and fix the typo's as there > are some things you say which is very hard to understand. Like 'I an deal'. > > Regarding RAID, in your case that can be done from the BIOS when it supports > it. Of course Linux does support software RAID too, but usually hardware RAID > is faster and invisible to the OS when done on hardware. > > About the boot order, usually you want to install windows first. It wants to > be on the first partition on the first drive. With Grub boot loader you can > make it look like the first partition on the first drive even if it's not. > (Not sure if Lilo supports that.) > > To have multiple Linux installs on the same drive you need to make a change > to /etc/fstab. Once you have installed windows and are configuring the > partitions for the first Linux install, make notes of how you configure them. > In other words you want to know the /dev and mount point. > > Then when done with the install, edit /etc/fstab and replace all the LABEL > references with the actual /dev location. > > The reason for this is when you boot up with two installs you can confuse the > bootup routine as to which partitions it should use. > > (I prefer grub over lilo as it's far more flexible and only needs to find its > config file to work. Easy to change on the fly if you need to and so on.) > Steve, Thanks, Ive been holding off on installing any OS yet, been getting the machine put together. I'll take your advice and install the Wins' OS' first, then install my 'nix flavors. And sorry about the typos, the one that was pointed out, it was meant to mean, 'I Can deal'. Other typos were just from my own laziness and not checking out my email, I can see there were quite a few in there, damn my English teachers. Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 22:11:38 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2Bc32031195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:11:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9M2BcIc031194 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:11:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2BcLi031190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:11:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2BbNw019943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:11:38 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2BGXw020187 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:11:16 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [72.64.179.253] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 4V1J100 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:11:15 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Backlit keyboard OT Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:19:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200610211719.43063.rnr@sanctum.com> <453AB23C.40801@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <453AB23C.40801@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610212219.11602.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.276, required 6, AWL -0.72, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 21 October 2006 19:50, Paul M Foster wrote: > Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > The old guy is vision impaired and is beginning to have a lot of trouble > > seeing the keys on the keyboard. Decided to get a backlit keyboard. > > > > Googling around amd looking at hardware vendors I find that there are > > quite a few offered from $15 to $400. Now I know I don't want the cheapo > > and can't afford the other end, and besides that I have no idea how > > effective or readable they are. > > > > So the OT question is: Do any of you have experience with them or can > > make a reccomendation?? Prefer PS2 > > As previously mentioned, touch typing is the real answer. However: > > Large keyboard legends (yellow keys with black legends), USB keyboard > with a PS/2 adapter. Only problem is that the keyboard layout is the new > "Microsoft" layout for the edit keys. But if you're not a touch typist, > it may not matter. $34.95. > > http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=10391 > > Or: > > Same as above but with black keys and white legends: > > http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11270 > > Or: > > As above, but keyboard and keys are white with black legends: > > http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11271 > > Or: > > Backlit, but with the standard layout ($44.97): > > http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?productID=11141 > > I'm guessing that the "large legend" keyboard is more what you want, > rather than a backlit one, unless you insist in working in low light > conditions. > > I can't vouch for the quality of these products, but for weird > hard-to-find stuff, I love Cyberguys. You can get on their mailing list, > and they'll send you a paper catalog once in a while, with everything > you could ever want to build PCs, repair PCs, etc. > > Paul Thanks Paul. Wi;; check them out, and Yes both you and Ron are correct abput touch typing. I am kind of a half-touch type user. Bob s. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 21 22:48:21 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2mKmc031508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:48:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9M2mKvl031507 for slug-track29; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:48:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2mKxt031503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:48:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2mKbM021722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:48:20 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M2m2p0024041 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:48:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (118-176.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.35.176.118]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9M2m0T1025293 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:03:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> In-Reply-To: <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610212303.03703.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.135, required 6, AWL -2.06, FB_LOADING 1.64, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > Ok, so it was a whine. :-) But really, overall I like Evolution better, > though kmail does a few things better, and bouncing spam is one of them. > The other is the loading images thing. I can keep them from coming in, > but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I > accept Evolution, warts and all. > I am running Kmail in SUSE 9.3 Pro. I have it set not to open HTML automatically. When I click on an HTML mail, I am asked if I want to view it the normal way or just as text. If I say yes it will then ask if I will let it connect to the WEB. I only say yes to senders that I know. I have Spamassasin running. I feel very secure with Kmail. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 22 00:31:08 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4V8Qt032392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:31:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9M4V8Yu032391 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:31:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4V7pO032387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:31:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4V7dr030059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:31:07 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4Ut3B024524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:30:55 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GbUz8-0006Ou-4p for slug@nks.net; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:30:54 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF6756BE7 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453AF3FC.6000404@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:30:52 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <200610212303.03703.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200610212303.03703.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=3.231, required 6, AWL -1.38, BAYES_40 -0.18, FB_LOADING 1.64, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Richard Smoot wrote: >> Ok, so it was a whine. :-) But really, overall I like Evolution better, >> though kmail does a few things better, and bouncing spam is one of them. >> The other is the loading images thing. I can keep them from coming in, >> but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I >> accept Evolution, warts and all. >> > I am running Kmail in SUSE 9.3 Pro. > I have it set not to open HTML automatically. > When I click on an HTML mail, I am asked if I want to view it the normal > way or just as text. If I say yes it will then ask if I will let it connect to > the WEB. I only say yes to senders that I know. I have Spamassasin running. > I feel very secure with Kmail. > Anyone heard of Thunderbird? There are settings for all that stuff in it. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 22 00:37:19 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4bJlg032453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:37:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9M4bJkn032452 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:37:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4bIfY032448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:37:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4bHAh030577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:37:18 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9M4asds025130 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:36:54 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061022043656.YWMS10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:36:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id dGcF1V00N4g4wUs0000000 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: <453AF563.5030901@cox.net> Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 23:36:51 -0500 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <200610212303.03703.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> <453AF3FC.6000404@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <453AF3FC.6000404@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.78, required 6, AWL -1.73, BAYES_20 -0.74, FB_LOADING 1.64, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Richard Smoot wrote: >>> Ok, so it was a whine. :-) But really, overall I like Evolution better, >>> though kmail does a few things better, and bouncing spam is one of >>> them. >>> The other is the loading images thing. I can keep them from coming in, >>> but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I >>> accept Evolution, warts and all. >>> >> I am running Kmail in SUSE 9.3 Pro. >> I have it set not to open HTML automatically. >> When I click on an HTML mail, I am asked if I want to view it the >> normal >> way or just as text. If I say yes it will then ask if I will let it >> connect to the WEB. I only say yes to senders that I know. I have >> Spamassasin running. >> I feel very secure with Kmail. >> > > Anyone heard of Thunderbird? There are settings for all that stuff in it. > > Paul > I'm glad you said that, 'cause I was thinking it. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 22 12:58:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MGwtx8006228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9MGwtpY006227 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MGwrfX006218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MGwrIT021982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:53 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MGwaMO027658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:37 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gbgec-00056f-Du; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:30 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C5D856BE8; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:28 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20061022165828.7C5D856BE8@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.315, required 6, AWL -0.84, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* DUNEDIN ************************************************** 28 October 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** ********************** * TEMPORARY LOCATION * ********************** 30 October 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) Globe Coffee Lounge 532 1st Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 BRANDON ************************************************** 2 November 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. NEW PORT RICHEY ****************************************** 4 November 13:00-15:00 New Port Richey (first Saturday of each month) New Port Richey Public Library (second level meeting rooms) 5939 Main St. New Port Richey, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#npr for directions. TAMPA **************************************************** 14 November 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second TUESDAY of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 409 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 21 November 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) New College Math Reading Room, HNS 106 5700 N. Tamiami Trail Sarasota, FL 34243 See http://www.ncf.edu/about/directions.html and http://www.ncf.edu/about/pdf/map.pdf for maps *********************************************************** ACTIVITIES: Meetings include: 1) Presentation: As indicated. 2) Question & Answer Session. 3) Raffle and free stuff! Bring your boxes, questions, problems, and plenty of good cheer! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 22 14:27:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MIRCSJ007039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:27:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9MIRCSI007038 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:27:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MIRCDh007034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:27:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MIRB9m026853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:27:12 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MIQn21021093 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:26:54 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97893EECF9 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:26:48 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:26:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610120528.45564.steve@szmidt.org> <453A9CEF.8050309@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <453A9CEF.8050309@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610221426.46613.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.283, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.28) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 21 October 2006 18:19, Ron Youvan wrote: > > Here's an interesting mystery for those of you with too much time on your > > hands: > > > > We all know that capacity on computers is measured in bytes, where 1KB is > > 1024bytes. It arrives of course at 1024 since we deal with a binary > > system which grows like this. > > > > 2 4 6 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 > > > > Pretty straight forward. > > > > Now some of you have 1GB RAM. When you run a check on that the number > > that shows up is 1,048,048. > > > > How do they arrive at 1,048,048? > > What is 1024 X 1024 ? (1048576) minus some kind of over head. > (like the directory structure ???) Yes that's the simple and somehow too obvious answer. We know to 1024 on the one side of the equation, and a thousand of those we still want to think is 1,000. Quite right! -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 22 14:29:56 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MITuDh007060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:29:56 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9MITu9b007059 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:29:56 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MITtcS007055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:29:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MITt2U026955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:29:55 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MITdaE008278 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:29:39 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a2.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4036EE98F for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 11:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:29:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> In-Reply-To: <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610221429.37402.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.193, required 6, AWL -1.83, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 21 October 2006 20:25, Russell Hires wrote: > but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I > accept Evolution, warts and all. Huh!? Of course Kmail can render html. It's not just one click to turn it on as a default, and for good reasons, but it can. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 22 16:35:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MKZep2008075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:35:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9MKZerN008074 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:35:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MKZdbJ008070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:35:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MKZd6l000407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:35:39 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9MKZKJe004664 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:35:20 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7K00MB716FZWM3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:35:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Challenge In-reply-to: <200610221426.46613.steve@szmidt.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <453A9CEF.8050309@tampabay.rr.com> <200610221426.46613.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.00, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, steve szmidt wrote: > On Saturday 21 October 2006 18:19, Ron Youvan wrote: >>> >>> Now some of you have 1GB RAM. When you run a check on that the number >>> that shows up is 1,048,048. >>> >>> How do they arrive at 1,048,048? >> >> What is 1024 X 1024 ? (1048576) minus some kind of over head. >> (like the directory structure ???) > > Yes that's the simple and somehow too obvious answer. We know to 1024 on the > one side of the equation, and a thousand of those we still want to think is > 1,000. Quite right! Wait, I concur with the "some kind of overhead" statement, but why would there be a directory structure in RAM? What can you fit in 2^20 - 1048048 = 528 bytes anyway? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 Answer: two spoonfuls in my cup, please. Question: how much should I use? (why top-posting is bad) http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 22 23:55:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N3tA2M011599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:55:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9N3tAJL011598 for slug-track29; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:55:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N3tAnx011594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:55:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N3tA6C025742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:55:10 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N3sl5F012592 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:54:47 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061023035446.CVRC10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:54:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id dfu41V00c4g4wUs0000000 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:54:05 -0400 Message-ID: <453BF6B2.4060603@cox.net> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 22:54:42 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.763, required 6, AWL -1.33, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net michael hast wrote: > michael hast wrote: >> Hey, all! >> >> The Wife, the Kiddo and I went on our traditional garage sale >> excursions today and found one heckuva deal! I picked up an HP Color >> Laserjet 4550N for $100.00! The guy said that it works perfectly, >> and if I find that to be wrong, he'll give me a full refund. The >> printer has the optional internal print server and the extra paper >> tray. I wondered if any of you fine ladies and/or gentlemen have any >> experience using this particular bad-boy under Linux. I have not yet >> cleared a place to put it, so it is still sitting out in the car. >> I'm not terribly worried about getting this thing to print under Win >> or Mac, but then there's our beloved Linux. What I've read on >> linuxprinting.org is that it works really well under Postscript, and >> I have not yet tried it (at all since it's still in the car), but I >> wanted to check and see if any of you could share your experience to >> let me know what I'm getting myself into. Thanks in advance! >> >> --Michael > > You know, I think I may have already found my answer. HP actually has > a Linux driver for this printer listed on their web site. Go fig! Well, I can print from my XP Pro partition, we have gotten my wife's setup to print from OS-X, XP Home and Debian, but my Debian partition does not want to play nice. I'm still working on it. Once it's perfected, I'll give another update. Incidentally, the three color cartridges in this thing are like new, and the black is about worn out. It looks like I can get a refurb from a reputable seller on ebay for less than $30.00. Still doing pretty well on this particular deal... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 00:28:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4SlYN011944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:28:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9N4Sl4f011943 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:28:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4SkK0011939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:28:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4SkHi030687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:28:46 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4SRTZ017332 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:28:27 -0400 Received: from 77.sub-75-203-65.myvzw.com ([75.203.65.77]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7K00CJZN37CS3A@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:28:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:29:23 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N In-reply-to: <453BF6B2.4060603@cox.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610230029.23499.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> <453BF6B2.4060603@cox.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 22 October 2006 18:54, michael hast wrote: > Well, I can print from my XP Pro partition, we have gotten my wife's > setup to print from OS-X, XP Home and Debian, but my Debian partition > does not want to play Hi Michael! You see what you are doing? You installed Debian on your wife's *and* your own computer from the same CD. Didn't you learn not to do that from M$? Go download and burn your own CD and try it again. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 00:33:28 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4XSxe011983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9N4XSvj011982 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4XR3l011978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4XRvQ031011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:27 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9N4XA5J017914 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:10 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=k2AGPyGdSDL6BAQxhkioryxfQZgUuGgxsz2V4+oYdRW9pyUuBhsZTM0LYUJm1fXW; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.28] (helo=mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GbrUs-0005TY-8B for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:10 -0400 Received: from 24.144.115.226 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:10 -0400 Message-ID: <2307259.1161577990177.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:33:10 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: xcalibre To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d3faa777f09c2da16eb7bb7bd270dc8dd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.28 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.017, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.02, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I need something like that for my Photoshop Work... Let me know if you see something like this again.. Bill.. -----Original Message----- >From: michael hast >Sent: Oct 22, 2006 6:54 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N > >michael hast wrote: >> michael hast wrote: >>> Hey, all! >>> >>> The Wife, the Kiddo and I went on our traditional garage sale >>> excursions today and found one heckuva deal! I picked up an HP Color >>> Laserjet 4550N for $100.00! The guy said that it works perfectly, >>> and if I find that to be wrong, he'll give me a full refund. The >>> printer has the optional internal print server and the extra paper >>> tray. I wondered if any of you fine ladies and/or gentlemen have any >>> experience using this particular bad-boy under Linux. I have not yet >>> cleared a place to put it, so it is still sitting out in the car. >>> I'm not terribly worried about getting this thing to print under Win >>> or Mac, but then there's our beloved Linux. What I've read on >>> linuxprinting.org is that it works really well under Postscript, and >>> I have not yet tried it (at all since it's still in the car), but I >>> wanted to check and see if any of you could share your experience to >>> let me know what I'm getting myself into. Thanks in advance! >>> >>> --Michael >> >> You know, I think I may have already found my answer. HP actually has >> a Linux driver for this printer listed on their web site. Go fig! > >Well, I can print from my XP Pro partition, we have gotten my wife's >setup to print from OS-X, XP Home and Debian, but my Debian partition >does not want to play nice. I'm still working on it. Once it's >perfected, I'll give another update. Incidentally, the three color >cartridges in this thing are like new, and the black is about worn out. >It looks like I can get a refurb from a reputable seller on ebay for >less than $30.00. Still doing pretty well on this particular deal... >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 06:36:30 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NAaUMX015180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9NAaUwd015179 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NAaTbD015175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NAaT2v027067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:29 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NAa6we003846 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:06 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NAa5IL020478 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610231036.k9NAa5IL020478@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:37:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <2307259.1161577990177.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Thread-index: Acb2XH9PfS/+c9wYSiqsXekiAXCESQAMiaFw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.823, required 6, AWL -1.82, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I need something like that for my Photoshop Work... I find the color quality of Lasers to be poor for Photoshop work. Ink jets are much better. I'd look for a used Canon i9900. The Epson's have a bad habit of clogging the nozzles, and use a huge amount of ink to clean them. Actually, nearly any 4-color ink jet will whip the laser. But a 7+ color ink jet is the way to go. If you do any b+w work, you'll want a printer with shades of gray ink, or a dedicated printer with third-party gray inks. Printers with just one black cart stink at B+W prints. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of xcalibre Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:33 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N I need something like that for my Photoshop Work... Let me know if you see something like this again.. Bill.. -----Original Message----- >From: michael hast >Sent: Oct 22, 2006 6:54 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N > >michael hast wrote: >> michael hast wrote: >>> Hey, all! >>> >>> The Wife, the Kiddo and I went on our traditional garage sale >>> excursions today and found one heckuva deal! I picked up an HP >>> Color Laserjet 4550N for $100.00! The guy said that it works >>> perfectly, and if I find that to be wrong, he'll give me a full >>> refund. The printer has the optional internal print server and the >>> extra paper tray. I wondered if any of you fine ladies and/or >>> gentlemen have any experience using this particular bad-boy under >>> Linux. I have not yet cleared a place to put it, so it is still sitting out in the car. >>> I'm not terribly worried about getting this thing to print under Win >>> or Mac, but then there's our beloved Linux. What I've read on >>> linuxprinting.org is that it works really well under Postscript, and >>> I have not yet tried it (at all since it's still in the car), but I >>> wanted to check and see if any of you could share your experience to >>> let me know what I'm getting myself into. Thanks in advance! >>> >>> --Michael >> >> You know, I think I may have already found my answer. HP actually >> has a Linux driver for this printer listed on their web site. Go fig! > >Well, I can print from my XP Pro partition, we have gotten my wife's >setup to print from OS-X, XP Home and Debian, but my Debian partition >does not want to play nice. I'm still working on it. Once it's >perfected, I'll give another update. Incidentally, the three color >cartridges in this thing are like new, and the black is about worn out. >It looks like I can get a refurb from a reputable seller on ebay for >less than $30.00. Still doing pretty well on this particular deal... >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 08:19:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NCJ3gZ016099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:19:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9NCJ3Vb016098 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NCJ2nI016094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NCIF9M001991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:19:00 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao02.cox.net (eastrmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NCCvf1020906 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:12:58 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061023121259.ITPW10599.eastrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:12:59 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id doCJ1V0064g4wUs0000000 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:12:18 -0400 Message-ID: <453C6B78.8060601@cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:12:56 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> <453BF6B2.4060603@cox.net> <200610230029.23499.petetheisen@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200610230029.23499.petetheisen@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.917, required 6, AWL -1.17, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete Theisen wrote: > On Sunday 22 October 2006 18:54, michael hast wrote: > > >> Well, I can print from my XP Pro partition, we have gotten my wife's >> setup to print from OS-X, XP Home and Debian, but my Debian partition >> does not want to play >> > > Hi Michael! > > You see what you are doing? You installed Debian on your wife's *and* your own > computer from the same CD. Didn't you learn not to do that from M$? Go > download and burn your own CD and try it again. > That's a joke, right? Anyway, it was an ftp-install. I don't believe in burning Debian cd's when I can do it on the fly to get the latest updates and save myself the use of about six cd's. But, seriously, would that make a difference? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 09:47:12 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NDlCLA016809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9NDlC7p016808 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NDlBnG016804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NDlBxi007705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:11 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NDkpEd001922 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:46:51 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:46:41 -0600 Message-Id: <453C7B39.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 06:20:09 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.004, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 7:00 PM, in message <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net>, michael hast wrote: > > You know, I think I may have already found my answer. HP actually has a > Linux driver for this printer listed on their web site. Go fig! We have tons of these in our offices all over the world and they work great under linux and the driver is included in SLE 10 JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 14:29:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NITVu8019200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:29:31 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9NITUaG019199 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NITUd9019195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NITUkY028932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NITD3X018675 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:29:13 -0400 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.241.171]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7L009HIPYUUUG3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:28:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:29:12 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N In-reply-to: <453C6B78.8060601@cox.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610231429.13022.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <200610230029.23499.petetheisen@verizon.net> <453C6B78.8060601@cox.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.834, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.77, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 23 October 2006 03:12, michael hast wrote: > Pete Theisen wrote: > > On Sunday 22 October 2006 18:54, michael hast wrote: > > > > > >> Well, I can print from my XP Pro partition, we have gotten my wife's > >> setup to print from OS-X, XP Home and Debian, but my Debian partition > >> does not want to play > > > > Hi Michael! > > > > You see what you are doing? You installed Debian on your wife's *and* > > your own computer from the same CD. Didn't you learn not to do that from > > M$? Go download and burn your own CD and try it again. > > That's a joke, right? Hi Michael! Yes, of course, a bad joke at that. It might make a difference with M$, though. Nothing would surprise me from them. Now if you ftp, you could have a file corrupted or missing. Maybe check that out, or just reformat and do it over like you would in Winders. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 16:58:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NKwqrq020370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:58:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9NKwqtl020369 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:58:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NKwqeF020365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:58:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NKwqkv005730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:58:52 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NKwc3W022634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:58:39 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:58:38 -0600 Message-Id: <453CF4AB.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:58:20 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: [SLUG] IBM Speaks regarding SCO Case Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.58, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.02, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Interesting developments.... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061021132243916 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 19:57:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNvHBH021837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:57:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9NNvHEA021836 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNvHGc021832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNvHEV016951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNuq7Z000449 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:56:52 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061023235653.BMOC23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:56:53 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id dzwS1V00h4g4wUs0000000 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:56:27 -0400 Message-ID: <453D1072.9030203@cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:56:50 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> <453C7B39.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <453C7B39.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.605, required 6, AWL -0.74, BAYES_20 -0.74, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net John Pugh wrote: >>>> On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 7:00 PM, in message <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net>, >>>> > michael hast wrote: > >> You know, I think I may have already found my answer. HP actually has a >> Linux driver for this printer listed on their web site. Go fig! >> > > We have tons of these in our offices all over the world and they work great under linux and the driver is included in SLE 10 > > JP > > Of course! Any chance to plug Suse, right? ;-P I'm joking. I think Suse is cool. If I were to run a business, it would have SLED machines for all of the desktops. At home for play, I like Debian. The HP driver is available via APT even in the stable version. I got it, but it's still not cooperating. I'll probably uninstall and reinstall it. Sometimes that works under Windon't. I really don't know what else to do right at this moment. Keep you posted, of course. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 19:59:35 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNxZ3v021858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:59:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9NNxZ7T021857 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:59:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNxYZ0021853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:59:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNxYgV017085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:59:34 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao03.cox.net (centrmmtao03.cox.net [70.168.83.81]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9NNxEIi005798 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:59:14 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061023235915.WWSD3784.centrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:59:15 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id dzyo1V01a4g4wUs0000000 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:58:49 -0400 Message-ID: <453D1101.4020203@cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:59:13 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <200610230029.23499.petetheisen@verizon.net> <453C6B78.8060601@cox.net> <200610231429.13022.petetheisen@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200610231429.13022.petetheisen@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.802, required 6, AWL -1.29, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete Theisen wrote: > On Monday 23 October 2006 03:12, michael hast wrote: > >> Pete Theisen wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 22 October 2006 18:54, michael hast wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Well, I can print from my XP Pro partition, we have gotten my wife's >>>> setup to print from OS-X, XP Home and Debian, but my Debian partition >>>> does not want to play >>>> >>> Hi Michael! >>> >>> You see what you are doing? You installed Debian on your wife's *and* >>> your own computer from the same CD. Didn't you learn not to do that from >>> M$? Go download and burn your own CD and try it again. >>> >> That's a joke, right? >> > > Hi Michael! > > Yes, of course, a bad joke at that. It might make a difference with M$, > though. Nothing would surprise me from them. > > Now if you ftp, you could have a file corrupted or missing. Maybe check that > out, or just reformat and do it over like you would in Winders. > > Oh, thank God! I'm way too trusting to hear the sarchasm in an email, and I'm way too random-creative for Linux to come too easily. So, yeah. I think that file corruption may be my problem. Let's see what happens here, shall we? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 20:06:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O06hwU021989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:06:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9O06h6t021988 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O06gtS021983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O06ge1017606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:06:42 -0400 Received: from centrmmtao04.cox.net (centrmmtao04.cox.net [70.168.83.80]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O06ODK030661 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:06:25 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061024000625.EKFO16408.centrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:06:25 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id e05y1V00s4g4wUs0000000 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:05:59 -0400 Message-ID: <453D12AF.6080204@cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:06:23 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <200610231036.k9NAa5IL020478@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200610231036.k9NAa5IL020478@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.916, required 6, AWL -3.17, BAYES_95 3.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: >>> I need something like that for my Photoshop Work... >>> > > I find the color quality of Lasers to be poor for Photoshop work. Ink jets > are much better. I'd look for a used Canon i9900. The Epson's have a bad > habit of clogging the nozzles, and use a huge amount of ink to clean them. > Actually, nearly any 4-color ink jet will whip the laser. But a 7+ color > ink jet is the way to go. If you do any b+w work, you'll want a printer > with shades of gray ink, or a dedicated printer with third-party gray inks. > Printers with just one black cart stink at B+W prints. > > > Yeah. I would tend to agree with this. My little Epson will spank this HP for photo/art printing. This sucker is going to be great for bulk stuff. For color diagrams/charts/etc., this thing is about the only way to roll. If you are trying to get beautiful image prints, get an Epson Stylus or a Cannon or something. Have you seen any of the wide ones? Ooohh. Those are bad, phat, dope, fly, and stupid. (sorry. Slipped into ghetto there.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 20:12:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0Cnto022030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:12:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9O0Cnd5022029 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:12:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0CePv022025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:12:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-200-a.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-200-a.nks.net [205.139.192.124]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0Cdd3017873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:12:40 -0400 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by nks-ma-200-a.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0CK0s007207 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:12:20 -0400 Received: from user-12hclcd.cable.mindspring.com ([69.22.85.141] helo=poet.village-smurf.com) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gc9qN-0004E4-00 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:08:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam From: Russell Hires To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200610221429.37402.steve@szmidt.org> References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <1161473941.23691.29.camel@cthulhu> <1161476725.1492.5.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <200610221429.37402.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:08:33 -0400 Message-Id: <1161648513.1492.61.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=4.038, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_MINDSPRING 2.20, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE 1.37, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 14:29 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > On Saturday 21 October 2006 20:25, Russell Hires wrote: > > > but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I > > accept Evolution, warts and all. > > Huh!? Of course Kmail can render html. It's not just one click to turn it on > as a default, and for good reasons, but it can. But you can turn it off! With Evolution, you can't turn off html rendering. You can stop the images from getting loaded from wherever, but if they are sent with the email, then you're screwed, and see them anyway. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 20:28:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0SFBp022201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9O0SFkS022200 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0SF2Y022196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0SFNJ018864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:15 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0S3De015217 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:03 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O0S2qo004626 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610240028.k9O0S2qo004626@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:29:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <453D12AF.6080204@cox.net> Thread-Index: Acb3ATkA4qMMI3cSRTWDuiYveYoozgAAf/zA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.823, required 6, AWL -1.82, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Have you seen any of the wide ones? Have owned several, Starting with the HP DesignJet 650, and NovaJets. Rignt now, I have a Canon. Currently feeding it with a Nikon D200. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of michael hast Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:06 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Ken Elliott wrote: >>> I need something like that for my Photoshop Work... >>> > > I find the color quality of Lasers to be poor for Photoshop work. Ink > jets are much better. I'd look for a used Canon i9900. The Epson's > have a bad habit of clogging the nozzles, and use a huge amount of ink to clean them. > Actually, nearly any 4-color ink jet will whip the laser. But a 7+ > color ink jet is the way to go. If you do any b+w work, you'll want a > printer with shades of gray ink, or a dedicated printer with third-party gray inks. > Printers with just one black cart stink at B+W prints. > > > Yeah. I would tend to agree with this. My little Epson will spank this HP for photo/art printing. This sucker is going to be great for bulk stuff. For color diagrams/charts/etc., this thing is about the only way to roll. If you are trying to get beautiful image prints, get an Epson Stylus or a Cannon or something. Have you seen any of the wide ones? Ooohh. Those are bad, phat, dope, fly, and stupid. (sorry. Slipped into ghetto there.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 20:59:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0xPKT022392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:59:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9O0xPCk022391 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:59:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0xPeQ022387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:59:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0xPC3020499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:59:25 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O0xAUb015718 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:59:10 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061024005911.EVSH23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:59:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id e0yk1V00i4g4wUs0000000 Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:58:44 -0400 Message-ID: <453D1F0E.8020501@cox.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:59:10 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> <453C7B39.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <453D1072.9030203@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <453D1072.9030203@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.672, required 6, AWL -1.42, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >> We have tons of these in our offices all over the world and they work >> great under linux and the driver is included in SLE 10 >> >> JP >> >> Okay. Here's where I'm at currently. I can apt-get hplip (albeit through Kpackage) and the installation returns a result=0. When we did this on my wife's machine, we went into the printer configuration under the Control Center, and "added a new printer" through the little GUI "wizard" type thing. It actually listed the brand, "HP" and model, "Color Laserjet 4550." Once all that was hooked up, it works great. On mine, when I go to the same place, "add a new printer," it shows the brand "ESP." Under model, one of the choices is "HP Laserjet." When I pick that and send a test print, it never makes it to the printer, although my machine says that it was sent correctly. I have uninstalled and reinstalled hplip to see if that would do it, and it did not. John, since you have clearly worked with this printer under 'nix, have you ever run into a problem like this? Is there an easy way to diagnose my problem or configure the printer on the command line? Thx. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 21:32:01 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1W17O022727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:32:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9O1W19m022722 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:32:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1W0sK022718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:32:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1W0aU022460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:32:00 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-211.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.211]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1VORY019552 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:31:24 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635F8EED03 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:31:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <200610221429.37402.steve@szmidt.org> <1161648513.1492.61.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> In-Reply-To: <1161648513.1492.61.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610232131.16752.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.327, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.33, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 23 October 2006 20:08, Russell Hires wrote: > On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 14:29 -0400, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Saturday 21 October 2006 20:25, Russell Hires wrote: > > > but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I > > > accept Evolution, warts and all. > > > > Huh!? Of course Kmail can render html. It's not just one click to turn it > > on as a default, and for good reasons, but it can. > > But you can turn it off! With Evolution, you can't turn off html > rendering. You can stop the images from getting loaded from wherever, > but if they are sent with the email, then you're screwed, and see them > anyway. Yes, I always turn it off. Or it ships that way I don't even recall. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 21:33:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1X7IP022744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:33:07 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9O1X73I022743 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:33:07 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1X6uJ022739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:33:06 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1X5on022522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:33:06 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O1Wh8s011540 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:32:43 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1806628wxc for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:32:42 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SamcPz6kalxKY2tGo8ZykgUYeowI7rOoLrZBCNNIl9Q1E4FzGIdlCl0x3DSR4nyOoO5WCe0IKshe1hq/6qL3XzBk/CMib9114xJqsI0LIhCvOz4K7XZb6Zehey8+Q0Qd7SXd64okIjLqnWFYQitV+V/pKJEBvVNOx6Vh/HajQRs= Received: by 10.70.33.10 with SMTP id g10mr1910278wxg; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.117.9 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4cfc16ef0610231832t743822a3u257f56adb57726f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:32:42 -0400 From: "Mario Lombardo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: Tampa Area VMware User Group meeting In-Reply-To: <453D5536.000004F4@om-vmware.rsc02.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <453D5536.000004F4@om-vmware.rsc02.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d5126d730f46009c X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.777, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.78, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net FYI... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: The VMware Team Date: Oct 23, 2006 7:50 PM Subject: Tampa Area VMware User Group meeting To: mario@transparenttechnology.net Tampa Area VMware User Group Meeting Invitation Join us for the upcoming Tampa Area VMware User Group meeting Date: Thursday, November 16, 2006 Time: 4:30 pm - 7:00 pm Location: Southwest Florida Water Management District 7601 U.S. Highway 301 - Building One Tampa, FL 33637 Snacks will be available REGISTER NOW! 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Oct 23 23:45:47 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O3jlhW023870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:45:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9O3jla5023869 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:45:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O3jlcj023865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:45:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O3jkip030479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:45:46 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9O3jX1r022991 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:45:34 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1845644wxc for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:45:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S87zxgaruq6VQlVVYF3hxqCHtsCz2rCr7/dadjzj9hVeFWvI5akJ2dWzqlAwZVy1HFHvByFaNpHY26glzXaBeZ0ZG4sZO0AHo1gZgKSYjcuQj2BH6ftLA1KoA4EB7GS4pLCEzTrQcEj6roctTBMvo8/sDM/FA3aNwy1E12mp4D0= Received: by 10.78.97.7 with SMTP id u7mr8442208hub; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610232045h52d446b4tc91ea4947021389c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:45:30 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N In-Reply-To: <453D1F0E.8020501@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> <453C7B39.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <453D1072.9030203@cox.net> <453D1F0E.8020501@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.01, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.27, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Okay. Here's where I'm at currently. I can apt-get hplip (albeit > through Kpackage) How about hpijs as well? -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 24 06:31:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OAV8Q2027564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:31:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9OAV8LX027563 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:31:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OAV8Xk027559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:31:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OAV78k008266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:31:07 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OAUcAY030373 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:30:38 -0400 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t4so1910968wxc for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:30:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sgkkUL8igRqqwTmzTRYQ4YLcfPUZOS8hvHBk72iGpzyj047gMr5Gg9M9gQNFyOns+7HMcu8iNE4h2xGkd5erdg2YznWOsVp/pYlpdgdP+jpwUsOKFxjdmIB9V7m+F2hZsyAAAh1xER0SnPymun6tmYVkFEODbW+4Fml7qy7T8fM= Received: by 10.90.103.2 with SMTP id a2mr2907991agc; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.65.18 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 03:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <125d27dd0610240330of95ba2at244c7cc82a0abc1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:30:37 -0400 From: "Daniel Jarboe" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: Tampa Area VMware User Group meeting In-Reply-To: <4cfc16ef0610231832t743822a3u257f56adb57726f5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <453D5536.000004F4@om-vmware.rsc02.com> <4cfc16ef0610231832t743822a3u257f56adb57726f5@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > REGISTER NOW! Yet no links/information on how to register? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 24 10:18:14 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OEIE4t029501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:18:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9OEIEHo029500 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:18:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OEIDWN029496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:18:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OEIDts027207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:18:13 -0400 Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OEHui1015853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:17:57 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV3-MTA by victor.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:17:52 -0600 Message-Id: <453DE83E.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:17:34 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> <453C7B39.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <453D1072.9030203@cox.net> <453D1F0E.8020501@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <453D1F0E.8020501@cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.086, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.09, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 3:59 PM, in message <453D1F0E.8020501@cox.net>, michael hast wrote: >>> >>> We have tons of these in our offices all over the world and they work >>> great under linux and the driver is included in SLE 10 >>> >>> JP >>> >>> > > Okay. Here's where I'm at currently. I can apt- get hplip (albeit > through Kpackage) and the installation returns a result=0. When we did > this on my wife's machine, we went into the printer configuration under > the Control Center, and "added a new printer" through the little GUI > "wizard" type thing. It actually listed the brand, "HP" and model, > "Color Laserjet 4550." Once all that was hooked up, it works great. On > mine, when I go to the same place, "add a new printer," it shows the > brand "ESP." Under model, one of the choices is "HP Laserjet." When I > pick that and send a test print, it never makes it to the printer, > although my machine says that it was sent correctly. I have uninstalled > and reinstalled hplip to see if that would do it, and it did not. > John, since you have clearly worked with this printer under 'nix, > have you ever run into a problem like this? Is there an easy way to > diagnose my problem or configure the printer on the command line? Thx. > > -- Michael have not run into it...the drivers just worked on the SUSE desktop distros since the ~9.1 days. If you only have a HP Laserjet option...I would look for a LJ3 or 4 option since that seems to be fairly universal for pcl printing. If the job is getting to the queue...I'd look at the job to see how it's formatted - if it's going into the bit bucket - you may need to find the broken "link". If garbage is coming out on the printer - doesn't sound like the case- then wrong driver or setttings. Jp ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Fire fox 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.473, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.47, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Official release on friday. ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/linux-i686/en-US/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 24 12:39:00 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OGcxZS030663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9OGcxED030662 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OGcxi9030658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OGcwKM003209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:59 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9OGcZXO006285 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:35 -0400 Received: from smtp-b.omnis.com (smtp-b.omnis.com [216.239.128.238]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923781B701 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (82-109.8-67.tampabay.res.rr.com [67.8.109.82]) (Authenticated sender: pete@myraandpete.net) by smtp-b.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFFD1C00870 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <453E418B.90600@myraandpete.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:38:35 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fire fox 2.0 References: <453E3543.30500@myraandpete.net> In-Reply-To: <453E3543.30500@myraandpete.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.425, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.32, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Pete S. wrote: > Official release on friday. > ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/linux-i686/en-US/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 24 20:20:25 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0KPrW002057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:20:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9P0KPDB002056 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:20:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0KOw4002052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:20:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0KOxN005022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:20:24 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao05.cox.net (eastrmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.240.34]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0K7qR000430 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:20:08 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061025002009.UPJI7951.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:20:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id eQKT1V0014g4wUs0000000 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:19:27 -0400 Message-ID: <453E676A.60008@cox.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:20:10 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <453AA2BA.7090206@cox.net> <453AA68A.4090300@cox.net> <453C7B39.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> <453D1072.9030203@cox.net> <453D1F0E.8020501@cox.net> <453DE83E.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> In-Reply-To: <453DE83E.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.595, required 6, AWL -0.75, BAYES_20 -0.74, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > have not run into it...the drivers just worked on the SUSE desktop distros since the ~9.1 days. If you only have a HP Laserjet option...I would look for a LJ3 or 4 option since that seems to be fairly universal for pcl printing. > If the job is getting to the queue...I'd look at the job to see how it's formatted - if it's going into the bit bucket - you may need to find the broken "link". If garbage is coming out on the printer - doesn't sound like the case- then wrong driver or setttings. > > Jp > Okay. I got it. Apparently, I needed my sleep because this time around, I was able to try some different things. When I had tried it before, I had switched the printer section of the control center to super-mode. This time, I did it in user mode until it asked for root password. This way, it went ahead and showed the full gambit of makes and models. Strange... At any rate, it looks like we have the thing running on five partitions and three distinct OS's in my living room. Who needs a coffee table anyway? Thanks for the brain-picking availability. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 24 20:21:26 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0LQXV002077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:21:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9P0LQfp002076 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:21:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0LPCg002072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:21:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0LP7g005085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:21:25 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P0L75M032199 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:21:08 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061025002109.TTK23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:21:09 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id eQLT1V0054g4wUs0000000 Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:20:27 -0400 Message-ID: <453E67A6.5050108@cox.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:21:10 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N References: <200610240028.k9O0S2qo004626@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200610240028.k9O0S2qo004626@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.655, required 6, AWL -0.43, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: >>> Have you seen any of the wide ones? >>> > > Have owned several, Starting with the HP DesignJet 650, and NovaJets. Rignt > now, I have a Canon. Currently feeding it with a Nikon D200. > > Ken Elliott > > Hey, Ken! What do you do? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 24 21:02:40 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P12dav002421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:02:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9P12dJB002420 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:02:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P12VJT002416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:02:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P12ULm008149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:02:30 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.132]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9P128hF023229 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:02:08 -0400 Received: from rufus (113.200.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com [70.118.200.113]) by ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P127bL011958 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200610250102.k9P127bL011958@ms-smtp-02.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:03:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <453E67A6.5050108@cox.net> Thread-Index: Acb3zQ+tYC7E3xPKTmKuE+ehrPlRQQAAo0tA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.069, required 6, AWL -0.58, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_NO_DOT 0.70, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB 0.89, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Hey, Ken! What do you do? I design and develop products. I use to be a pro photographer, but gave it up for several years after going into product design, programming, and later CAD networks, 3D modeling/rendering/animation. I moved to Clearwater to work for a company who made crankshafts for all the top motorcycle factory teams. Moved to Daytona for a better paying job developing products for electric utilities. Anyway, that 3D rendering and the photography stuff gave me lots of experience with digital imaging. I used to write about this stuff for CADalyst and Cadence magazines, so I got to review a lot of hardware and become friends with the guys that wrote AutoCAD, Solidworks, 3DS Max, Rhino, etc... Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of michael hast Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:21 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Ken Elliott wrote: >>> Have you seen any of the wide ones? >>> > > Have owned several, Starting with the HP DesignJet 650, and NovaJets. > Rignt now, I have a Canon. Currently feeding it with a Nikon D200. > > Ken Elliott > > Hey, Ken! What do you do? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 08:45:34 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PCjX8I008570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:45:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PCjX14008569 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:45:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PCjX6V008565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:45:33 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PCjX8x013395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:45:33 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PCip0j017807 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:44:51 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:44:46 -0600 Message-Id: <453F23EE.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:44:30 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Wierd spam References: <200610211713.k9LHDs67025076@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> <200610221429.37402.steve@szmidt.org> <1161648513.1492.61.camel@poet.village-smurf.com> <200610232131.16752.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610232131.16752.steve@szmidt.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.383, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.38, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 9:31 PM, in message <200610232131.16752.steve@szmidt.org>, steve szmidt wrote: > On Monday 23 October 2006 20:08, Russell Hires wrote: >> On Sun, 2006- 10- 22 at 14:29 - 0400, steve szmidt wrote: >> > On Saturday 21 October 2006 20:25, Russell Hires wrote: >> > > but kmail can just not render the html at all...oh well, I just guess I >> > > accept Evolution, warts and all. >> > >> > Huh!? Of course Kmail can render html. It's not just one click to turn it >> > on as a default, and for good reasons, but it can. >> >> But you can turn it off! With Evolution, you can't turn off html >> rendering. You can stop the images from getting loaded from wherever, >> but if they are sent with the email, then you're screwed, and see them >> anyway. > > Yes, I always turn it off. Or it ships that way I don't even recall. Images in evolution are turned off by default - html rendering needs the plain-text plugin which was missing at some point and not included in SLED10. There is an open bug and it is in the builds now. Working on getting it put back into the next update for evo. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 08:46:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PCkmvn008587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:46:48 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PCkm6o008586 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:46:48 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PCklkr008582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:46:47 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PCklRa013483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:46:47 -0400 Received: from web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.129]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k9PCkYBh028611 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:46:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 64441 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2006 12:46:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20061025124634.64439.qmail@web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.44.210.19] by web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:46:34 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:46:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Backus Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.001, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k9PCkmkq008583 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ah, does that bring back memories. I used to run a Novajet III with a bulk ink system, back in the day. I worked in the IS department for a small reprographics company and we had one for printing posters and murals.. I did a 20'x30' mural once... That thing was pretty cool.. Thanks for the trip down amnesia lane... ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Elliott To: slug@nks.net Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:03:28 PM Subject: RE: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N >> Hey, Ken! What do you do? I design and develop products. I use to be a pro photographer, but gave it up for several years after going into product design, programming, and later CAD networks, 3D modeling/rendering/animation. I moved to Clearwater to work for a company who made crankshafts for all the top motorcycle factory teams. Moved to Daytona for a better paying job developing products for electric utilities. Anyway, that 3D rendering and the photography stuff gave me lots of experience with digital imaging. I used to write about this stuff for CADalyst and Cadence magazines, so I got to review a lot of hardware and become friends with the guys that wrote AutoCAD, Solidworks, 3DS Max, Rhino, etc... Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of michael hast Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 3:21 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] HP Color Laserjet 4550N Ken Elliott wrote: >>> Have you seen any of the wide ones? >>> > > Have owned several, Starting with the HP DesignJet 650, and NovaJets. > Rignt now, I have a Canon. Currently feeding it with a Nikon D200. > > Ken Elliott > > Hey, Ken! What do you do? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 09:34:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PDYaWc009016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:34:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PDYalr009015 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:34:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PDYa49009011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:34:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PDYZdQ016502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:34:35 -0400 Received: from web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.121]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id k9PDYKgk001220 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:34:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 39212 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Oct 2006 13:34:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20061025133420.39210.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.44.210.19] by web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:34:20 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 06:34:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Troy Backus Subject: [SLUG] Linksys WRTSL54GS Wireless-G Media Storage Link Router with Speedbooster To: Suncoast Linux Users Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.408, required 6, AWL -0.41, BAYES_40 -0.18, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id k9PDYa48009012 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Anyone out there use one of these with OpenWRT??? It's time to get a new router at home, and thought this might be fun.. Thoughts, impressions, etc?? Thanks Troy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 09:57:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PDvAxo009191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PDvAS3009190 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PDvAIG009186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PDv9s8017892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:57:09 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PDukkW017969 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 09:56:46 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:56:40 -0600 Message-Id: <453F34CC.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 07:56:28 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: "Suncoast Linux Users Group" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linksys WRTSL54GS Wireless-G Media Storage Link Router with Speedbooster References: <20061025133420.39210.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061025133420.39210.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.451, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.45, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 9:34 AM, in message <20061025133420.39210.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Troy Backus wrote: > Anyone out there use one of these with OpenWRT??? It's time to get a new > router at home, and thought this might be fun.. > > Thoughts, impressions, etc?? > > Thanks > Troy Sort of....I've used a WRT54G v2 with EWRT v0.4.3 just for testing for a few weeks this summer and it worked very well. I use nocat auth at home to check ppl that want to ride on my network for free and the linksys just wasn't powerful enough for me. Other than power, the setup worked great. I use a TENX setup...far more flexible for my needs. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 10:40:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PEeh98009624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:40:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PEehYc009623 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:40:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PEeg56009619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:40:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PEeclS021205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:40:42 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PEeD0d026733 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:40:18 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CA417B6E for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453F774C.7080604@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:40:12 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linksys WRTSL54GS Wireless-G Media Storage Link Router with Speedbooster References: <20061025133420.39210.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061025133420.39210.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.183, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.44, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have been using DD-wrt for awhile and am very happy with it. I would never built a off the shelf router unless I could run DD-wrt on it. :) Troy Backus wrote: > Anyone out there use one of these with OpenWRT??? It's time to get a new router at home, and thought this might be fun.. > > Thoughts, impressions, etc?? > > Thanks > Troy > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 12:43:55 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PGhtrC010683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PGhtXh010682 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PGhs7J010678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PGhsKC031286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:54 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PGhcYb031622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:38 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gclqr-0002qd-7F for slug@nks.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:37 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BE056BE7 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:43:35 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] The Bat! and spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.771, required 6, AWL -0.27, BAYES_05 -1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: I've seen a lot of spam come through which uses an MUA call "The Bat!". I've never known a person who uses this MUA. Who would use such an MUA? Is this MUA exclusively used for spam? Anyone know? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 13:07:46 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PH7jQn010901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:07:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PH7jBg010900 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PH7jjT010896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PH7jJo032641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PH7PbC004391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:07:25 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PH7PKn006708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:07:25 -0400 Message-ID: <453F99CC.90005@nks.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:07:24 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Bat! and spam References: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.808, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.30, BAYES_05 -1.11) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > I've seen a lot of spam come through which uses an MUA call "The > Bat!". I've never known a person who uses this MUA. Who would use such > an MUA? Is this MUA exclusively used for spam? Anyone know? > > Paul Google for: "The Bat!" mail And you get this URL: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/ Looks to be another Windows based MUA. Something in the back of my mind says I've run across this MUA before, but nothing particularly memorable. - Ian C. Blenke http://ian.blenke.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 13:16:43 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHGhU2011020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:16:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PHGhAV011019 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:16:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHGgQQ011015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:16:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHGgMo000634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:16:42 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHGOfZ025293 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:16:25 -0400 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so161294ugc for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YyV6zKnvM7BWOwlj2q1/g05CwPfXvVyYd6CSVCgMqfTd/+t94maPjsMKv0giFGtAaOivOMWG1FnTOIpxCJmpN8RWrH/X0toSY6+Q8e9VOYXof6I4nTo9szPUbXjo764AFGvN313MuAS8+TYrMJkkX8K4p4pkecNDs6wJ2Sv9emU= Received: by 10.78.185.16 with SMTP id i16mr1192124huf; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.97.18 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a3a3e310610251016k5240a3cerec8c2975db5d7dad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:16:24 -0500 From: "Levi Bard" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Bat! and spam In-Reply-To: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.154, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I've seen a lot of spam come through which uses an MUA call "The Bat!". > I've never known a person who uses this MUA. Who would use such an MUA? > Is this MUA exclusively used for spam? Anyone know? I've heard of it. It's a commercial MUA for win32, I guess similar to Eudora, and with a similar target audience. I'm not sure how/why it would be exclusively associated with spam... http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/ -- Tcsh: Now with higher FPS! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 13:24:44 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHOiMS011088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:24:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PHOi1U011087 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:24:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHOhxl011083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:24:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHOhgq000989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:24:43 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PHOHYM026416 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:24:17 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7P003QYCAQRVW4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:23:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Bat! and spam In-reply-to: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.349, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.61, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: > I've seen a lot of spam come through which uses an MUA call "The Bat!". I've > never known a person who uses this MUA. Who would use such an MUA? Is this > MUA exclusively used for spam? Anyone know? I thought it was a keyboard (one-handed?). -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 14:39:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PIdZrf011700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:39:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PIdZlI011699 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:39:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PIdZsx011695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:39:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PIdVkX005154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:39:35 -0400 Received: from randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PIdAjo012106 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:39:10 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a6.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3B11758B5 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Bat! and spam Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:39:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610251439.06518.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.966, required 6, AWL -1.80, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wednesday 25 October 2006 13:23, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: > > I've seen a lot of spam come through which uses an MUA call "The Bat!". > > I've never known a person who uses this MUA. Who would use such an MUA? > > Is this MUA exclusively used for spam? Anyone know? > > I thought it was a keyboard (one-handed?). I thought it was controlled with sound. High pitch cries. Yeah, poor joke... -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Oct 25 19:08:42 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PN8g6v013944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:08:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9PN8gcF013943 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:08:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PN8gJU013939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:08:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PN8fYt022043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:08:41 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao04.cox.net (eastrmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9PN8R5x022134 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:08:27 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061025230829.OJDB25210.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:08:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.5] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id en7m1V00x4g4wUs0000000 Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:07:47 -0400 Message-ID: <453FA81F.2090305@cox.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:08:31 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Bat! and spam References: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> <200610251439.06518.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200610251439.06518.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.603, required 6, AWL -1.49, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 0.48, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Wednesday 25 October 2006 13:23, Eben King wrote: > >> On Wed, 25 Oct 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: >> >>> I've seen a lot of spam come through which uses an MUA call "The Bat!". >>> I've never known a person who uses this MUA. Who would use such an MUA? >>> Is this MUA exclusively used for spam? Anyone know? >>> >> I thought it was a keyboard (one-handed?). >> > > I thought it was controlled with sound. High pitch cries. > > Yeah, poor joke... > No, it's the last-resort-IT-solution. You swing it at the offending machine until it is reduced to shattered circuits and twisted metal. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 26 07:45:52 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QBjp68020649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9QBjpKt020648 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QBjps7020644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QBjjFd022847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:50 -0400 Received: from droid.mathey.org (rrcs-24-173-155-114.se.biz.rr.com [24.173.155.114]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QBjMnX023490 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:23 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9FD17B70 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45409FD1.9040108@mathey.org> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:21 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] The Bat! and spam References: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <453F9437.9020009@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.275, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was baiting a russian scammer once and noticed from headers he used "The Bat!" bat==seedyunderbelly :p Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > I've seen a lot of spam come through which uses an MUA call "The Bat!". > I've never known a person who uses this MUA. Who would use such an MUA? > Is this MUA exclusively used for spam? Anyone know? > > Paul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Oct 26 08:13:09 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QCD8bd020897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:13:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9QCD82p020896 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:13:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QCD8w0020892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:13:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QCD3nx026898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:13:08 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (bay107-f32.bay107.hotmail.com [64.4.51.42]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9QCBUgW012608 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:11:30 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 05:11:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.51.220 by by107fd.bay107.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:11:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Ubuntu Edgy Eft is out Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:11:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2006 12:11:29.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE03A830:01C6F8F7] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.332, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.33, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ubuntu 6.10 (The Edgy Eft) was released this morning. Get it while it's hot: http://www.ubuntu.com/download Here are diirect links to the Desktop CD torrent files: http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu-6.10-desktop-powerpc.iso.torrent Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 00:03:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4393W008721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:03:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9S439fI008720 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:03:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S438ew008716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:03:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S437Jc013251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:03:08 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S42epc014534 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:02:40 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.218.231] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 4WEPB00 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:02:38 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:11:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.186, required 6, AWL -1.81, BAYES_60 1.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello sluggers, I know you are all a pretty good bunch of people and won't mind this OT question. I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a computer with internet access. I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. I know absolutely nothing about this and/or how it works, costs, etc. A couple of you out there must know all about this. Can you help me out and fill me in? Bob S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 00:21:36 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4LacF008915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:21:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9S4LagX008914 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:21:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4LZkX008910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:21:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4LZco016690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:21:35 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4LL5A027048 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:21:21 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7T0078ZW33XURA@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:21:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-reply-to: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.149, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.15, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello sluggers, > > I know you are all a pretty good bunch of people and won't mind this OT > question. > > I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious > condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a > computer with internet access. > > I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not > have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. > > I know absolutely nothing about this and/or how it works, costs, etc. > A couple of you out there must know all about this. Can you help me out > and fill me in? I have not used such a thing either, but make sure ... the hospital allows (patient) cell phone use. ... there's cell phone coverage in her room. ... IP-over-cell-phone is available in the hospital's area. ... you can get drivers for MacOS for the chosen device. Sorry about her situation. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 00:28:18 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4SICw008967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9S4SItK008966 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4SHl9008962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4SHTs017695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:28:17 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4RhwX032223 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:27:43 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-138-249.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.138.249]) by randymail-a9.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2EBEED17 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:27:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:27:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610280027.40419.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.758, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.24, BAYES_60 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:11, Bob Stia wrote: > I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not > have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. > The cost using a cell phone can be pretty high, unless you have free phone to phone calls. Plus the speed is pretty slow. Seems more likely to have a better success with a modem. I had a laptop and a cell phone that connected to a pcmcia card. But I was not very excited about the cost/performance. This was some 6 years ago so it may have changed. Now if you bring it in and set it up the hospital may be willing to order the broadband connection. Have a talk with the administrator showing how it will improve patients experience at their hospital. You'll need to get a firewall solution so they don't get hacked while there. It should not offer any inbound connections, only outbound. I'd block all in and outbound except for web and email. Chat's use a very insecure protocol and I'm wary when allowing it. Otherwise it could be an easy implementation, I don't use WiFi so I don't know ranges and so on, but get like I said I'd be surprised if the administrator would not be interested in something that makes patients stay more pleasant. -- Steve Szmidt "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. From the Declaration Principles ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 00:32:16 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4WGmT009002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:32:16 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9S4WGZJ009001 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:32:16 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4WFrt008997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:32:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4WFpr018092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:32:15 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.199]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4W4QV021258 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:32:04 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id 13so737224nzn for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:32:04 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RhyrSwc4mkRSWUJAB+I4iQsLRL5IdD/yz98Ox5uAxtl7kMP48I0uSjoOIyZGJsw6yPTQBFymD7DOvNUAhx5NNyYNJEyQyocpj6P5YFEXkjp3A8JDfnjtu5gkjBmRtNsY5yhQZc85xfxG+WaY+q+ufHcZ6d9wEbqUFX5iNetwY98= Received: by 10.65.219.4 with SMTP id w4mr608474qbq; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.183.15 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:32:03 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-Reply-To: <200610280027.40419.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> <200610280027.40419.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.277, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/28/06, steve szmidt wrote: > On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:11, Bob Stia wrote: > > > I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not > > have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. > > > > The cost using a cell phone can be pretty high, unless you have free phone to > phone calls. Plus the speed is pretty slow. Seems more likely to have a > better success with a modem. > > I had a laptop and a cell phone that connected to a pcmcia card. But I was not > very excited about the cost/performance. This was some 6 years ago so it may > have changed. > > Now if you bring it in and set it up the hospital may be willing to order the > broadband connection. Have a talk with the administrator showing how it will > improve patients experience at their hospital. > > You'll need to get a firewall solution so they don't get hacked while there. > It should not offer any inbound connections, only outbound. I'd block all in > and outbound except for web and email. Chat's use a very insecure protocol > and I'm wary when allowing it. Otherwise it could be an easy implementation, > I don't use WiFi so I don't know ranges and so on, but get like I said I'd be > surprised if the administrator would not be interested in something that > makes patients stay more pleasant. > > -- > > Steve Szmidt > > "To enjoy the right of political self-government, men must be > capable of personal self-government - the virtue of self-control. > A people without decency cannot be secure in its liberty. > From the Declaration Principles > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > does the hospital have wi-fi coverage, but not in patient rooms or no coverage at all? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 00:41:17 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4fHSQ009075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:41:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9S4fHub009074 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:41:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4fHEl009070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:41:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4fGmZ018863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:41:16 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4etbs029619 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:40:57 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (*authenticated* [71.98.218.231] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.5) id 4WEUR00 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:40:40 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:49:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610280049.26990.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.277, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:21, Eben King wrote: > On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello sluggers, > > > > I know you are all a pretty good bunch of people and won't mind this > > OT question. > > > > I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious > > condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a > > computer with internet access. > > > > I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does > > not have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone > > modem. > > > > I know absolutely nothing about this and/or how it works, costs, > > etc. A couple of you out there must know all about this. Can you > > help me out and fill me in? > Thanks for replying Eben, > I have not used such a thing either, but make sure > > ... the hospital allows (patient) cell phone use. > ... there's cell phone coverage in her room. Don't know if they specifically allow it but her mother talks to her twice a day on the cell phone inside her room. > ... IP-over-cell-phone is available in the hospital's area. Don't know what you mean about the IP-over-cell-phone thing. but this is Central Manhattan in NYC. Anything should be available there. Told he sister to bring in her own Notebook and see if she could pick up a wi-fi from somewhere. > ... you can get drivers for MacOS for the chosen device. OK, maybe someone else can lead me to the chosen device. I'm thinking it will be some kind of pcmcia card. > > Sorry about her situation. Yeah, me too. Thanks for the kind thought. Bob S. PS - as an aside, is anyone else having trouble getting Internet access. Some kond of widespread DNS issue? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 00:58:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4wpCh009177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:51 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9S4wpNc009176 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:51 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4wpA1009172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4wo2K019913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:51 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9S4wOqu006379 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:24 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7T00EEMXSRE796@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:58:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:58:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-reply-to: <200610280049.26990.rnr@sanctum.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200610280049.26990.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.273, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.27, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Bob Stia wrote: > On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:21, Eben King wrote: > >> I have not used such a thing either, but make sure ... >> ... IP-over-cell-phone is available in the hospital's area. > > Don't know what you mean about the IP-over-cell-phone thing. but this is > Central Manhattan in NYC. Anything should be available there. Told he > sister to bring in her own Notebook and see if she could pick up a wi-fi > from somewhere. On a cell phone connection, you can have several types of data. Conversation and TCP/IP are two of them. Given the location, TCP/IP is a safe bet, but I'd ask before spending a lot of money or entering into a contract. >> ... you can get drivers for MacOS for the chosen device. > > OK, maybe someone else can lead me to the chosen device. I'm thinking it > will be some kind of pcmcia card. Probably, if this is a laptop. > PS - as an aside, is anyone else having trouble getting Internet access. > Some kond of widespread DNS issue? I haven't had trouble. Which ISP are you with? I'm with Verizon. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 GEMINI: Your birthday party will be ruined once again by your explosive flatulence. Your love life will run into trouble when your fiancee hurls a javelin through your chest. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 08:24:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCOAqS013094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9SCOA81013093 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:10 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCOA1W013089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCO98S019681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:10 -0400 Received: from sinclair.provo.novell.com (sinclair.provo.novell.com [137.65.248.137]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCJdX7013039 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:19:40 -0400 Received: from INET-PRV-MTA by sinclair.provo.novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:19:35 -0600 Message-Id: <4543128C.F7AB.00C7.0@novell.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:19:24 -0600 From: "John Pugh" To: Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.015, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.01, BAYES_60 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 12:11 AM, in message <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com>, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello sluggers, > > I know you are all a pretty good bunch of people and won't mind this OT > question. > > I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious > condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a > computer with internet access. > > I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not > have wi- fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. > > I know absolutely nothing about this and/or how it works, costs, etc. > A couple of you out there must know all about this. Can you help me out > and fill me in? > Hey Bob - sorry to hear about your daughter. I think you'll find it'll be pretty simple to set something like this up, provided cellular usage is ok in the hospital - sounds like it is. Verizon and Sprint advertise a broadband modem that you can pick up in most cases for free with a unlimited data plan - those plans are getting cheaper and most are sub $60/mo. They will only support the cards on windows, but I have set it up on most all of the Novell SE field sales force machines and it works perfectly under SLED10. The speed isn't great - I think it's 115k, but they serve the purpose. Most likely that's what you want - being in central manhattan, I can't imagine no piggy backable wi-fi. JP ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 08:24:33 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCOWt9013106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9SCOWPM013105 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCOWl0013101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCOTR8019770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:24:31 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.233]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SCKosv020934 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:20:50 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so177123qbd for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:20:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GcBG92TDs3rekQLHdUN5TOfo5V+yXdD9jhdXWM7idE9Uq9VB/Z08JD5n6AE/CwFFGY1VtFj4M6qQlOYKvow+04mGP+eXgx9QZRMzV7Ji/fxl80t56Lue+tNiliIBFhFeFYW5ND38+HleSDqSHq9ehKsh9O++2h1SfeFNzWBQfnA= Received: by 10.49.8.1 with SMTP id l1mr1369629nfi; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570610280520x1b63cc57gc4310818d50eb789@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:20:48 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> <200610280049.26990.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.167, required 6, AWL 0.57, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I did a converage study for ConEd 3 years ago on the Verizon network, ConEd was moving off of CDPD, in the City Verizon offered very good coverage and it was all at that time CDMA2000 1xRT which had a max speed of 144kb. I believe they are now offering CMDA200 1xRT EV-DO in Manhattan, EV-DO does up to 2.4mb. You could also look at Cingular they are offering GPRS and EDGE, it is not quite so fast (they wil leapfrog one another) at this time but as they move to W-CDMA they will also offer the higher speeds. I think that most of them offer 24x7 all you can push down the pipe for about $75-100/mo. GPRS is about 30-60kb and EDGE brings it up to 384kb. As the GSM providers move to to W-CDMA or UMTS they will provide speeds similar or higher than EV-DO. Check with the cellular providers to see what their package cost are. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Oct 28 15:07:11 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SJ7BBh016428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:07:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9SJ7BaQ016427 for slug-track29; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:07:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SJ7AiP016423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:07:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SJ79Nw015798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:07:10 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9SJ0DY9016423 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:00:13 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7V00CJO0RZN5Y3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:00:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 15:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] success: /etc/fstab vs nonexistent filesystems X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 29 00:35:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T4ZvdM021156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:35:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9T4ZvhD021155 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:35:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T4ZuJt021151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:35:56 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T4ZuOh018390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:35:56 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T4ZU7D019790 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:35:31 -0400 Received: from 192.sub-75-203-142.myvzw.com ([75.203.142.192]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7V003EFREMS1JI@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:35:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:36:18 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-reply-to: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610290036.18542.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.554, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.56, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:11, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello sluggers, > > I know you are all a pretty good bunch of people and won't mind this OT > question. > > I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious > condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a > computer with internet access. > > I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not > have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. Hi Bob! I am using the verizon service with a pcmcia. It runs at about 128 but it costs $60 per month so it is not a lot of speed for the money. It is *supposed* to be always on but they will cut you off after while if you aren't actively using it. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 29 01:16:10 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5G9FB021566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:16:10 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9T5G8Sr021565 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:16:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5G7YQ021557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:16:07 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5G4cv020914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:16:06 -0400 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.sanctum.com [64.58.216.10]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5Fgcd016344 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:15:42 -0400 Received: from private.ip-address.localhost (*authenticated* [71.98.223.23] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.50a) id 8A0SY00 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:15:32 -0400 From: Bob Stia Organization: EasyStreet To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:24:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> <200610290036.18542.petetheisen@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200610290036.18542.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610290124.26050.rnr@sanctum.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.454, required 6, AWL -0.55, BAYES_50 0.00, FH_RELAY_NODNS 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 29 October 2006 00:36, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:11, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello sluggers, > > > > I know you are all a pretty good bunch of people and won't mind this > > OT question. > > > > I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious > > condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a > > computer with internet access. > > > > I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does > > not have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone > > modem. > > Hi Bob! > > I am using the verizon service with a pcmcia. It runs at about 128 but > it costs $60 per month so it is not a lot of speed for the money. It > is *supposed* to be always on but they will cut you off after while if > you aren't actively using it. Hey Sluggers, Coming through as usual. A great bunch. Have received a lot of great advice and info from you all. Time for me to digest and investigate. At least I have a starting point and some knowledge of how the "system" works. Pretty far away, off in central Manhattan in NYC. Will let you know in the near future what and how the situation is resolved. Thanks again, for your info and your concern. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 29 01:19:03 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5J3aQ021622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:19:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9T5J3tG021621 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5J3OH021617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5J2Dl021151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:19:02 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T5Icic022095 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:18:38 -0400 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7V00J39TE85M3A@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:18:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-reply-to: <200610290036.18542.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200610290036.18542.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:11, Bob Stia wrote: >> >> I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious >> condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a >> computer with internet access. >> >> I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not >> have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. > > I am using the verizon service with a pcmcia. It runs at about 128 but it > costs $60 per month so it is not a lot of speed for the money. It is > *supposed* to be always on but they will cut you off after while if you > aren't actively using it. How much of an inconvenience is it to reconnect; i.e., is it manual or automatic, and how much time does it take? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.no-ip.org:81 CANCER: The position of Jupiter says that you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud. Try not to shove a roll of duct tape up your nose when taking your driver's test. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 29 01:27:51 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T6RpIN022240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:27:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9T6Rp32022239 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:27:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T6RoBa022235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:27:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T6Ro8H028971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:27:50 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9T6ROMI024787 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:27:24 -0500 Received: from 192.sub-75-203-142.myvzw.com ([75.203.142.192]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J7V00EY1WLNDY6A@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:28:30 -0400 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200610290128.30827.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> <200610290036.18542.petetheisen@verizon.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.299, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 29 October 2006 01:18, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Pete Theisen wrote: > > On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:11, Bob Stia wrote: > >> I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious > >> condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a > >> computer with internet access. > >> > >> I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not > >> have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. > > > > I am using the verizon service with a pcmcia. It runs at about 128 but it > > costs $60 per month so it is not a lot of speed for the money. It is > > *supposed* to be always on but they will cut you off after while if you > > aren't actively using it. > > How much of an inconvenience is it to reconnect; i.e., is it manual or > automatic, and how much time does it take? Hi Eben! To begin with, it is not always obvious you have dropped. Then you have to take out the modem, reinsert it, let it be recognized and then get back on. Or, sometimes, you just click connect. Usually the easy one is when you disconnected rather than were dropped. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 29 07:19:39 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TCJc06025376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:19:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9TCJcdc025375 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:19:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TCJcaJ025371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:19:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TCJcm8000688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:19:38 -0500 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.227]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TCJGAF008393 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:19:17 -0500 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 34so629873hui for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:19:16 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=itdA53gG9Y1A/4OwDuNct+c99oaByYWaVwX27wlIM7hzreiq1Z7Wy3Kq3cDxus1NC1u9uCAE3SqhbVwyey9FYxQqSV6GzBYLqgeM6vYszxJXDiuDAePYPQFwmtPC903eP5QkTj1+rA0P19Wtkx66SfmUHhAW/vKz/OkK1c8o/zM= Received: by 10.49.90.18 with SMTP id s18mr3325860nfl; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.28.3 with HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:19:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <620c90570610290419m142968e2l59adc1d80ca7cbc9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:19:15 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Need advice here -OT In-Reply-To: <200610290128.30827.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200610280011.25026.rnr@sanctum.com> <200610290036.18542.petetheisen@verizon.net> <200610290128.30827.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.181, required 6, AWL 0.58, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 10/29/06, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Sunday 29 October 2006 01:18, Eben King wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > On Saturday 28 October 2006 00:11, Bob Stia wrote: > > >> I have a daughter (adult) who is confined to a hopital for a serious > > >> condition and will be for the next few months. I want to give her a > > >> computer with internet access. > > >> > > >> I have available a late model Mac to let her use. The hospital does not > > >> have wi-fi in the patients rooms so I am thinking cell phone modem. > > > > > > I am using the verizon service with a pcmcia. It runs at about 128 but it > > > costs $60 per month so it is not a lot of speed for the money. It is > > > *supposed* to be always on but they will cut you off after while if you > > > aren't actively using it. > > > > How much of an inconvenience is it to reconnect; i.e., is it manual or > > automatic, and how much time does it take? > > Hi Eben! > > To begin with, it is not always obvious you have dropped. Then you have to > take out the modem, reinsert it, let it be recognized and then get back on. > > Or, sometimes, you just click connect. Usually the easy one is when you > disconnected rather than were dropped. > What they are dropping is the link between your equipment and the base station you are linking through, your software is supposed to detect activity and go bring the link back up, part of the testing of CDMA2000 1xRT data was how long it took to recover from the dropped link (if it is not recovered in 45 seconds it is a failure and you initiiat a new call and start over again. The software handling the interface should bring up the link again in the background, you should only notice a small delay and then off it should go. I did all of my testing using the driver supplied by the manufacturer (on a windows machine) have never used the Linux software so not sure how it works. CDMA (Verizon, Sprint and I think Altel) need two computers to test data, one which actually pings a remote device and gathers RTT, and RF environmental data and a second one which test the recovery from a dropped link. In windows the piece that dropped the link was the DUN piece. It appears that they have kept a virtual circuit type operation rather than move to a connectionless mode. The DUN times out and drops the link, a request to send data in the background should cause the DUN to make the call again. GPRS/EDGE is treated like a NIC card, there is not really a circuit to drop, if it misses a packet it retries. So in that sense the GSM providers have a more natural environment, it is just not as fast as the CDMA world quite yet. The driver acts like a NIC driver rather than a DUN driver, it just registers with the network and that is it, no VC set up nothing to time out, of course if it can not hear the control channel it will no longer be able to communicate. Pray that your daughters recovery will be speedy, the computer I am sure will help that much more. I was just up there last week in Manhattan, there is also WiFi all over the place, as someone pointed out. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Oct 29 09:21:07 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TEL7pc026385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:21:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9TEL7Db026384 for slug-track29; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:21:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TEL6hZ026375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:21:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TEL5tc008678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:21:05 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9TEKjIX026999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:20:45 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GeBWl-0004Lz-T2; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:20:44 -0500 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D51D956BE8; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:20:41 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20061029142041.D51D956BE8@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:20:41 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.338, required 6, AWL -0.82, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** ********************** * TEMPORARY LOCATION * ********************** 30 October 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) Globe Coffee Lounge 532 1st Ave North St Petersburg, FL 33701 BRANDON ************************************************** 2 November 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 31 13:31:57 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VIVveh020311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9VIVvqp020310 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VIVur1020306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VIVulq003122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:56 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VIVWiR023800 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:32 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=LKSm8GGIpBaQ+u+DuudGrVscmpCEW0ydHm+l6Sj1u2cc8yzDGuAGyUeEBq1SE+yK; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.29] (helo=mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GeyOa-0004Dp-Ck for slug@nks.net; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:32 -0500 Received: from 24.144.115.226 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:32 -0500 Message-ID: <32899782.1162319492189.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:31:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: xcalibre To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Happy Halloween Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d2435507c94272a0ce1f6e55339eb3cfb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.29 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.75, required 6, AWL -1.75, BAYES_99 3.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Wanting to wish each and everyone a Happy Halloween. Also if anyone gets on myspace I have 4 series of Halloween Art Images I created. You can see them at http://blog.myspace.com/sava_tage Take Care everyone see you Thrusday for the last S.L.U.G. meeting in Brandon for 2006. Bill Preece P.s. If anyone has an extra Amd Athlon Processor or Duron please bring it with you Thursday and I'll make a offer as Diane's Laptop Hard Drive has went so now she is using mine. I have to get her Desktop back up and running. Bill.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 31 14:42:48 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VJgmjf020890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9VJgm7i020889 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VJglF7020885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VJgl2C007933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:47 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VJgOAr006112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:24 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-180-132.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.180.132] helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GezV9-0007C7-8j for slug@nks.net; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:23 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C0356BE7 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4547A71C.9000907@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:42:20 -0500 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Halloween References: <32899782.1162319492189.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <32899782.1162319492189.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.395, required 6, AWL -0.57, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_EQ_DSL 0.49, HOST_EQ_DSL_DDDD 0.55, HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D 0.67, HOST_EQ_VERIZON_POOL 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net xcalibre wrote: > > Take Care everyone see you Thrusday for the last S.L.U.G. meeting in Brandon for 2006. > > Bill Preece > So am I correct in assuming the December 6th meeting in Brandon is cancelled? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 31 15:04:31 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VK4VU8021089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:04:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9VK4VW1021088 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:04:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VK4U9X021084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:04:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VK4TP1009189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:04:30 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VK4EvT013221 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:04:14 -0500 Received: from pc ([71.243.246.183]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J80003P0NQ9A8W6@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:03:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:04:13 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Halloween In-reply-to: <4547A71C.9000907@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <4547A71C.9000907@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.541, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.20, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Paul M Foster wrote: > xcalibre wrote: > >> Take Care everyone see you Thrusday for the last S.L.U.G. meeting in >> Brandon for 2006. > > So am I correct in assuming the December 6th meeting in Brandon is cancelled? There usually aren't December meetings there (last year was odd). My guess is that B&N wants to use the space for seasonal books, or a display, or more customers, or something like that. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 A. A Top Poster \ http://www.fscked.co.uk/ B. Who's there? \ writing/ A. Knock-knock -- from bobward@xxx.com \ top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 31 18:44:59 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNiwQK022874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9VNiwCb022873 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNiwJ3022869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:58 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNivxI024623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:58 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNid7Q026401 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:39 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=QJvmCYT8ktsaaiPRbCCh0pDADniCf4ovcE4ivGFt4a1216iqTyIm3NiouIlXeuqS; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gf3Ha-0006nI-QM for slug@nks.net; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:38 -0500 Received: from 24.144.115.226 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:38 -0500 Message-ID: <26170194.1162338278787.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:44:38 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: savatage@mindspring.com To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Halloween Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 44b05ea7a2d5b6629c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d7616b9f054024a38a05a4c6d0c67acfb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.139, required 6, AWL 0.18, BAYES_50 0.00, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes Barnes and Nobles does not allow a Dec Meeting as they do not allow meetings during the Holiday Season. They made exceptions for us the past 2 years but we don't have anything special going on so no Dec Meetings.. Bill.. -----Original Message----- >From: Paul M Foster >Sent: Oct 31, 2006 2:42 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Halloween > >xcalibre wrote: > >> >> Take Care everyone see you Thrusday for the last S.L.U.G. meeting in Brandon for 2006. >> >> Bill Preece >> > >So am I correct in assuming the December 6th meeting in Brandon is >cancelled? > >Paul > >-- >Paul M. Foster >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 31 18:54:22 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNsMb4022948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:54:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id k9VNsMMd022947 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:54:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNsLoL022943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:54:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNsLfI025197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:54:21 -0500 Received: from mx-2.vasoftware.com (mx-2.vasoftware.com [12.152.184.162]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id k9VNrvbS006624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:53:57 -0500 Received: from pool-71-100-224-194.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.100.224.194] helo=[192.168.1.105]) by mx-2.vasoftware.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60) id 1Gf3QW-0000Aw-0v by VAAuthID rmiller with plain for slug@nks.net; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:53:52 -0800 Message-ID: <4547E209.50408@roblimo.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:53:45 -0500 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Halloween References: <26170194.1162338278787.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <26170194.1162338278787.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.008, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net savatage@mindspring.com wrote: > Yes Barnes and Nobles does not allow a Dec Meeting as they do not allow meetings during the Holiday Season. > > They made exceptions for us the past 2 years but we don't have anything special going on so no Dec Meetings.. My fault. This year, instead of writing a book, I've worked on video production. :( - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Oct 31 20:28:15 2006 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id kA11SFwm023774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:15 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id kA11SF1K023773 for slug-track29; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:15 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id kA11SEVc023769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id kA11SEGV030231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:28:14 -0500 Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id kA11RuWC008019 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:27:57 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=MtaijMsy0huhGJS7fv6RILm52A1j5W6K/9F4N0svNBlk/ljE5jY6GG+2INpM2Rhf; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Gf4tY-0007n6-RJ for slug@nks.net; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:27:56 -0500 Received: from 24.144.115.226 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:27:56 -0500 Message-ID: <8111898.1162344476637.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:27:56 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: xcalibre To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Halloween Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 16b8c79b0b06377a9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4dd74b4461bd9a7606a425c7ff47d73cdd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Nope not your fault at all. BTW hope to hear from you soon.. In the mean time I will be working on more Art Work and some Holiday Art Work.. Bill.. -----Original Message----- >From: Robin 'Roblimo' Miller >Sent: Oct 31, 2006 6:53 PM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Happy Halloween > >savatage@mindspring.com wrote: >> Yes Barnes and Nobles does not allow a Dec Meeting as they do not allow meetings during the Holiday Season. >> >> They made exceptions for us the past 2 years but we don't have anything special going on so no Dec Meetings.. > >My fault. This year, instead of writing a book, I've worked on video >production. :( > >- Robin >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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