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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 09:36:30 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31DaUDg005460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:36:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31DaUmG005459 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:36:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31DaTMp005455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:36:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31DaSAm018751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:36:29 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31DZxx8007314 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:35:59 -0400 Received: from [24.144.76.58] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HY0Dv-0001zF-J2 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:35:59 -0400 Message-ID: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:35:56 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c26096efa240650e17c266f6d749d58c0907c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.58 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.651, required 6, AWL -1.35, BAYES_95 3.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to run for very light usage? Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use a lot of power staying warm? Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 09:43:09 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Dh8gp005525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:43:08 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31Dh8KA005524 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:43:08 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Dh8pi005520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:43:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Dh77o019410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:43:08 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Dggb3008896 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:42:43 -0400 Received: from rufus (24.171.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.171.24]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l31DgfVI016563 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200704011342.l31DgfVI016563@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:43:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: Acd0YvIOgElrhCbFQD2WWca0WSEWMQACJbCg In-Reply-To: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.023, required 6, AWL -0.09, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.72) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to run for very light usage? You can't beat a laser printer for low cost and speed. No ink to dry up, but there is a delay when you first turn it on (heater). I'd suggest getting a laser that uses the HP PCL language (low cost) or any PostScript language printer. You can get a used printer pretty cheap. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Mark Polhamus Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:36 AM To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to run for very light usage? Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use a lot of power staying warm? Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. -- Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 09:46:05 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Dk5rs005558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:46:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31Dk5Ho005557 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:46:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Dk40R005553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:46:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Dk4KT019561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:46:04 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31Djj0Q003833 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:45:46 -0400 Received: from [192.168.5.21] (69-32.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.32.69]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l31Djjss017887 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 09:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <460FB78A.2080409@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:45:46 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? References: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have two of the cheap HP LaserJets (5L and 6L). They produce excellent output, take very little time to warm-up, automatically put themselves into powersave mode, and their consumables cost is very low. However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical loading slot), and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of paper. So I have to put one sheet of blank paper at a time into the hopper. So I would recommend a laser, even an HP, but make sure that it has a traditional paper tray (perhaps a 4L, or something much newer?) --ronan > I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it > goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is > minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every > time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the > time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. > > Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to > run for very light usage? > > Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print > photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use > a lot of power staying warm? > > Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. > > > -- Mark > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 10:36:13 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31EaCma006023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:36:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31EaCN5006022 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:36:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31EaCvN006018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:36:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31EaC1C022758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:36:12 -0400 Received: from randymail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-207.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.207]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31EZion011765 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:35:44 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-150-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.150.23]) by randymail-a2.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755B3EEB87 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:35:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704011035.41679.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=2.149, required 6, AWL -1.91, BAYES_95 3.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 01 April 2007 09:35, Mark Polhamus wrote: > I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it > goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is > minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every > time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the > time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. > > Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to > run for very light usage? > > Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print > photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use > a lot of power staying warm? > > Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. > I got a Laser from Dell (P1500) for something like $200. (You get the best price when you can bundle it with a computer.) Toner from eBay at a silly amount. Good amount of RAM and fast. USB and parallel ports. There's something to be aware of when using ink. It reports empty when in fact there's up to 30% still in it. You can buy a battery driven 'key' which let's you reset the cartridge to get the last drop out of it. A couple of dollars on eBay. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 13:17:12 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HHCXV007434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:17:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31HHCvN007433 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:17:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HHCFn007429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:17:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HHBFh031767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:17:11 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.76]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HGsNH015341 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:16:54 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.49.116]) by bay0-omc1-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:16:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.49.123 by by138fd.bay138.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:16:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <460FB78A.2080409@tampabay.rr.com> From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:16:48 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Apr 2007 17:16:53.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B26AF80:01C77481] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.041, required 6, AWL -0.59, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: ronan >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? >Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 09:45:46 -0400 > > >very low. However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical >loading slot), and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of >paper. So I have to put one sheet of blank paper at a time into the >hopper. So I would recommend a laser, even an HP, but make sure I work at a computer/printer repair shop. Although I am not the printer repair guru, I'm pretty sure that problem could be fixed with a new separator pad. My company has shops in Tampa and Sarasota. Let me know off-list if you're interested in having us do it for you. Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 13:49:23 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HnNjI007672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:49:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31HnNHW007671 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:49:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HnM4I007667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:49:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HnMON000985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:49:22 -0400 Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HmwFl025010 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:48:58 -0400 Received: from [24.144.76.58] (helo=[192.168.1.101]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HY4Aj-0000hy-SX for slug@nks.net; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:48:57 -0400 Message-ID: <460FF087.8090206@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 13:48:55 -0400 From: Mark Polhamus User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20060911) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? References: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> <200704011035.41679.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200704011035.41679.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 0e139422fd754d0d65826a2e99dff454239a348a220c260911c90392ffffb18b9defe327b7614508350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.144.76.58 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.37, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.37) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net That's the infuriating part. You can't have any empty cartridges or it refuses to print. For example, if the yellow cartridge is empty it refuses to print in grayscale until you replace the yellow cartridge. Thanks for the tip about the reset device, but I think I've given up on Epson. -- Mark steve szmidt wrote: > On Sunday 01 April 2007 09:35, Mark Polhamus wrote: >> I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it >> goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is >> minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every >> time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the >> time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. >> >> Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to >> run for very light usage? >> >> Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print >> photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use >> a lot of power staying warm? >> >> Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. >> > > I got a Laser from Dell (P1500) for something like $200. (You get the best > price when you can bundle it with a computer.) Toner from eBay at a silly > amount. Good amount of RAM and fast. USB and parallel ports. > > There's something to be aware of when using ink. It reports empty when in fact > there's up to 30% still in it. You can buy a battery driven 'key' which let's > you reset the cartridge to get the last drop out of it. A couple of dollars > on eBay. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <102380.29806.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.199, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.20, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you want a good low cost printer buy a Brother laser printer. They have linux drivers for them. Take a look at the link below. It is even networkable. William http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113165 --- Mark Polhamus wrote: > I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it > goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is > minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every > time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the > time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. > > Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to > run for very light usage? > > Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print > photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use > a lot of power staying warm? > > Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. > > > -- Mark > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 13:58:32 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HwWOs007745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:58:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31HwWGo007744 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:58:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HwV5a007740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:58:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HwVco001398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:58:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31HwF4l003630 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:58:15 -0400 Received: from rufus (24.171.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.171.24]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l31HwEQZ002913 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200704011758.l31HwEQZ002913@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:58:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: Acd0ZEsqeQW8bou6SDGF4VD8SZtr5AAKx9RA In-Reply-To: <460FB78A.2080409@tampabay.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.972, required 6, AWL -0.14, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.72) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical loading slot), and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of paper. So I have to put one sheet of blank paper at a time I've seen certain types of paper exhibit this behavior. Since it happens to both of your printers, you might want to check the type of paper you use. Smooth inkjet-specific paper might feed better. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of ronan Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:46 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? I have two of the cheap HP LaserJets (5L and 6L). They produce excellent output, take very little time to warm-up, automatically put themselves into powersave mode, and their consumables cost is very low. However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical loading slot), and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of paper. So I have to put one sheet of blank paper at a time into the hopper. So I would recommend a laser, even an HP, but make sure that it has a traditional paper tray (perhaps a 4L, or something much newer?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 14:44:22 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31IiMeX008162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:44:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31IiMg8008161 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:44:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31IiMdm008157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:44:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31IiL2r003365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:44:21 -0400 Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l31HpdRE001929 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:51:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 8642 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2007 17:51:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1gICxs7+1pyjMMMi60cnrGnJxiKVn7F4s7zHgjGNpXXFFDWPc4Vp4Bw0Y5IMHL7JWVskfaV4TUmNnKjGmqNiE4jRSJSyLu+dB1W1XOaaBiVojNpOCYkw4+1CRdd6/lxYqxIROmz7qf4AUpLJfwpGX4H+y76nGGvrZ728pQtpC7c=; X-YMail-OSG: AJMJUQ8VM1lU5j2wIndnn50DvnrQvtYIwF9ESszZtzLh9V5gnPgdknWgOcW5zRCPxg-- Received: from [24.196.165.69] by web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 10:51:29 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <638509.8352.qm@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.478, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.48) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you want a good low cost printer buy a Brother laser printer. They have linux drivers for them. Take a look at the link below. It is even networkable. William http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828113165 --- Mark Polhamus wrote: > I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it > goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is > minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every > time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the > time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. > > Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to > run for very light usage? > > Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print > photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use > a lot of power staying warm? > > Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. > > > -- Mark > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 15:11:28 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31JBSjU008406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:11:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31JBSYm008405 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:11:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31JBStQ008401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:11:28 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31JBLg6004739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:11:27 -0400 Received: from randymail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31IFemD005408 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:15:40 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-150-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.150.23]) by randymail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB4FA7B59 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 11:15:33 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:15:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> <200704011035.41679.steve@szmidt.org> <460FF087.8090206@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <460FF087.8090206@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704011415.32150.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.248, required 6, AWL -0.81, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 01 April 2007 13:48, Mark Polhamus wrote: > That's the infuriating part. You can't have any empty cartridges or it > refuses to print. For example, if the yellow cartridge is empty it > refuses to print in grayscale until you replace the yellow cartridge. > > Thanks for the tip about the reset device, but I think I've given up on > Epson. > When it comes to Linux support Epson is one of the best. Otherwise they all pretty much do the same thing. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 16:18:14 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31KIDjo009082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:18:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31KIDEP009081 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:18:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31KICTZ009072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:18:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31KIBWs009038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:18:12 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31KHmuH024602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:17:48 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50816 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HY6Ul-0001AN-TR; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:17:48 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5962056AAA; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20070401201745.5962056AAA@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.827, required 6, AWL 0.38, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* BRANDON ************************************************** 5 April 20:00-22:00 Brandon (first Thursday of each month) Brandon Barnes & Noble Brandon Town Center Brandon, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#Brandon for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 17:02:49 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31L2n1r009483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:02:49 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31L2nhC009482 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:02:49 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31L2mtU009478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:02:48 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31L2kAu011168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:02:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31JskkA013912 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:54:46 -0400 Received: from smtp-a.omnis.com (smtp-a.omnis.com [216.239.128.237]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671AE1B1AA for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.200] (222-10.201-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.201.10.222]) (Authenticated sender: pete@myraandpete.net) by smtp-a.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C263A400041 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46101C26.50003@myraandpete.net> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 16:55:02 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? References: <200704011758.l31HwEQZ002913@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200704011758.l31HwEQZ002913@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: >>> However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical loading slot), >>> >>> >and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of paper. So I have to >put one sheet of blank paper at a time > >I've seen certain types of paper exhibit this behavior. Since it happens to >both of your printers, you might want to check the type of paper you use. >Smooth inkjet-specific paper might feed better. > > >Ken Elliott > >===================== >-----Original Message----- >From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of ronan >Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:46 AM >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? > >I have two of the cheap HP LaserJets (5L and 6L). They produce excellent >output, take very little time to warm-up, automatically put themselves into >powersave mode, and their consumables cost is very low. >However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical loading slot), and >both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of paper. So I have to put >one sheet of blank paper at a time into the hopper. So I would recommend a >laser, even an HP, but make sure that it has a traditional paper tray >(perhaps a 4L, or something much newer?) > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > Personally, have had good success with Samsung ML-1710. Cheap laser printer with cheap supplies, that runs well. One problem I ran into was that it would jam frequently. I switched from the 20lbs paper to the 24lbs paper, which resolved the problem. Pete S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 17:20:19 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31LKJOb009683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:20:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31LKI0u009681 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:20:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31LKIDc009676 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:20:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31LKIhB012158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:20:18 -0400 Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31LJvrc017104 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:19:57 -0400 Received: from ibm66aec.bellsouth.net ([68.159.181.168]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070401211956.FRY6375.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm66aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:19:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.95] (really [68.159.181.168]) by ibm66aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070401211955.RAJL1538.ibm66aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.95]> for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:19:55 -0400 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:16:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704011616.56433.sotl155360@bellsouth.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.306, required 6, AWL -0.31, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I f your paper is wet, most, orr damp you may get the same effect. Keeping spare paper in a wooden or metal box with a light bulb like one does electric welding electrodes may help. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: RE: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? Date: Sunday 01 April 2007 13:58 From: "Ken Elliott" To: slug@nks.net >> However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical loading slot), and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of paper. So I have to put one sheet of blank paper at a time I've seen certain types of paper exhibit this behavior. Since it happens to both of your printers, you might want to check the type of paper you use. Smooth inkjet-specific paper might feed better. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of ronan Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:46 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? I have two of the cheap HP LaserJets (5L and 6L). They produce excellent output, take very little time to warm-up, automatically put themselves into powersave mode, and their consumables cost is very low. However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical loading slot), and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of paper. So I have to put one sheet of blank paper at a time into the hopper. So I would recommend a laser, even an HP, but make sure that it has a traditional paper tray (perhaps a 4L, or something much newer?) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an underrated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 18:03:01 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31M31uQ010023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:03:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l31M31to010022 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:03:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31M30nL010018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:03:00 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31M30Ww014164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:03:00 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l31M2ej7028314 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:02:40 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so1218457wri for ; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=OvwQ2mpUjVqV3wZfmiEgr1Cz7DFX9SLsiO/k8IqfIXPpxptOvyQV2l2eI4FIVhZZP0FXc7esjsOk8fkuPtBo/7YpGnhORmTfTAGe4bE3vunORcRykRJ/yS4u5k5VbdUMMaObxIzom6WfrRkvRqKfLy5mUQtGx43ot42v6g+tu+U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FS2TQFiiZtZy8/GcE/IruQ9Mu4V4DgBz3JEG7ukR3o2a7TwNed58IQsTmWr+FdUBBmlB8FmNtRN0nTbceilqiiZhOX0WvLM8L5RREeLJogq9xW2u+4EjnIHhZxhMFrVh3jABRC4iPRquD6giSfisng0BtEZJ2UHwlQyMp9SalXA= Received: by 10.114.208.8 with SMTP id f8mr1566157wag.1175464959363; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.76.6 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:02:39 -0800 From: "Paderick Lundy" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? In-Reply-To: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_106493_29564145.1175464959141" References: <460FB53C.3000505@earthlink.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.002, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_106493_29564145.1175464959141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Try this URL. The secret to using cheap Epson printers is to find cheap ink cartridges. This outfit has different options from $1.49 each. Good luck with cheap ink, I use it all of the time with my C86, works real ggod. http://www.abcink.com/epson-stylus-c86.html Paddy PS BTW, I'm back in Fairbanks, Alaska and I still enjoy SLUG. I miss the meeting in Dunedin with Paul. Sometimes I actually learned something between all of jokes. On 4/1/07, Mark Polhamus wrote: > > I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it > goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is > minimal. I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every > time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the > time I use it). So it is inconvenient as well as expensive. > > Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to > run for very light usage? > > Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print > photos often. Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use > a lot of power staying warm? > > Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also. > > > -- Mark > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_106493_29564145.1175464959141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Try this URL.  The secret to using cheap Epson printers is to find cheap ink cartridges.  This outfit has different options from $1.49 each.  Good luck with cheap ink, I use it all of the time with my C86, works real ggod.

http://www.abcink.com/epson-stylus-c86.html

Paddy

PS BTW, I'm back in Fairbanks, Alaska and I still enjoy SLUG.  I miss the meeting in Dunedin with Paul.  Sometimes I actually learned something between all of jokes.

On 4/1/07, Mark Polhamus <meplists@earthlink.net> wrote:
I was given an Epson C86 printer which turns out to be no bargain as it
goes through a lot of expensive ink cartridges even though my usage is
minimal.  I also find I have to run through 1 or 2 cleaning cycles every
time I use it after I haven't used it for a while (which is most of the
time I use it).  So it is inconvenient as well as expensive.

Anyone own a printer which works well with Linux and is fairly cheap to
run for very light usage?

Maybe a laser type printer (toner) would work best for me, I don't print
photos often.  Maybe not though: would it take too long to warmup or use
a lot of power staying warm?

Pointers to good info on the web appreciated also.


-- Mark
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 21:38:28 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l321cRZx011819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:38:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l321cRTG011818 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:38:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l321cRnR011814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:38:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l321cRIM026810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:38:27 -0400 Received: from web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.167]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l321c4Pe028390 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:38:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 14573 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Apr 2007 01:38:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BYq/7n0QZuXiMZorgJ8CnlgpT/Is3247AKeoJgYZ4b7W+CabIgd1/0opjsd2AnWarRTbzKGIXLXLMTENEy2g+l2Ije5napjkXZiBv4OeDvJJuY08f+4hy5RDjR7VinEtxjj16OSoghifVCrVRc51NVN8+jF/Bee54Qg0/xMT8jM=; X-YMail-OSG: YL1CZFsVM1mEH5vVb.48pXBeI5OMQvmqT8CWlNUbfnQJHafpIboJt16h_UFmOAb1wgWrrFccvYzh7AYT7_VFxRygCCXwPrVYMHw8Hkr54vTbeFkZ8EwlCQchuib15Q-- Received: from [24.196.165.69] by web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:38:03 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: [SLUG] OT: cheap server To: FL Lug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <617856.14300.qm@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.9, required 6, AWL -0.90, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I have a chance to buy a cheap server from Ebay. I don't do this often. I have a choice of a poweredge 1650 p3 1.4, a poweredge 1550 p3 1.3, and a poweredge 2450 p3 933. What do you think? I like the 1650 because it is the faster one but does it make a difference with the model type? I am studding for CNA and I don't have anything to use. Thanks, William ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 21:46:38 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l321kbQe011895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:46:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l321kbC6011894 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:46:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l321kbKZ011890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:46:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l321kb17027184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:46:37 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l321k9TU027428 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:46:09 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so1132022and for ; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:46:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kJ0ehusthRikkPZTbdnHRTMCEVtfbXxz3gOYVk4QWni5jW4QCQxbcs0oayO57Zn2+rZb2oJYXgGjQiwdso+uk7ry4v4UqA54xEnOsyY5dwKMQEH6E2fBCA2W9P9UVTq3GdPOcIUmaE4dLDmnNYBzz2rXIAEHAGibHCB9VEMQBsY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rMr8n5LeWiGfwjFpLA5gHVZlxkbGaFzxlZIVarOWQWQX56n2zgh9uR2I5dkVF+PchrsHNLxiXnvov32PBiPxwM6vP/WwqCdW7ye2tgHPliiK7tM9abBOQ3eIDYJ/rHhncVdhcguw3HYaWl9O0PZur4pEZDHEkpDGysSsfOiBalU= Received: by 10.100.164.14 with SMTP id m14mr3141512ane.1175478368641; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.34.5 with HTTP; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860704011846s34b87bb5ie4099b453dcfb50c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:46:08 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: cheap server In-Reply-To: <617856.14300.qm@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70334_10641410.1175478368595" References: <617856.14300.qm@web31004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.64, required 6, AWL -1.54, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_70334_10641410.1175478368595 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/1/07, William Coulter wrote: > > I have a chance to buy a cheap server from Ebay. I don't do this > often. I have a choice of a > poweredge 1650 p3 1.4, a poweredge 1550 p3 1.3, and a poweredge 2450 p3 > 933. What do you think? > I like the 1650 because it is the faster one but does it make a difference > with the model type? You have a 50/50 chance fo them lasting. I have gotten some great deals on rack mount servers, 2 SGI intel based servers that were really made by VALinux and a some dells and 2 X-Series IBM 1u racks. I have had some issues with some after about of year of heavy usage but others no problems at all. If the price is right and as long as you go in not expecting them to last longer than what it takes for you to get yoru cna you should be fine. I am studding for CNA and I don't have anything to use. > > Thanks, > William > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! 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On 4/1/07, William Coulter <wrcoulter30@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have a chance to buy a cheap server from Ebay.  I don't do this often.  I have a choice of a
poweredge 1650 p3 1.4, a poweredge 1550 p3 1.3, and a poweredge 2450 p3 933.  What do you think?
I like the 1650 because it is the faster one but does it make a difference with the model type?
 
 
You have a 50/50 chance fo them lasting.  I have gotten some great deals on rack mount servers,  2 SGI intel based servers that were really made by VALinux and a some dells and 2 X-Series IBM 1u racks. 
 
I have had some issues with some after about of year of heavy usage but others no problems at all.  If the price is right and as long as you go in not expecting them to last longer than what it takes for you to get yoru cna you should be fine.

I am studding for CNA and I don't have anything to use.

Thanks,
William



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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 1 22:37:59 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l322bxt8012337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:37:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l322bxZ1012336 for slug-track29; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:37:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l322bx17012332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:37:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l322bw00030064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:37:58 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l322bbDw019140 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:37:37 -0400 Received: from [192.168.5.21] (69-32.73-24.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.73.32.69]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l322baNr019056 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 22:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46106C71.3010808@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:37:37 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Printer recommendations? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.264, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.26, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> >> >> very low. However, these models have no paper tray (just a vertical >> loading slot), and both of them will screw-up and feed many sheets of >> paper. So I have to put one sheet of blank paper at a time into the >> hopper. So I would recommend a laser, even an HP, but make sure > > I work at a computer/printer repair shop. Although I am not the > printer repair guru, I'm pretty sure that problem could be fixed with > a new separator pad. My company has shops in Tampa and Sarasota. Let > me know off-list if you're interested in having us do it for you. Thanks for the heads-up. I've read the same thing about HP having this problem with the separator pads in these printers. If I printed more than 5 pages per month, I'd probably bring it in to be fixed. --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 2 00:18:28 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l324IRBH013228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:18:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l324IRnP013227 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:18:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l324IR03013223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:18:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l324IQj4005287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:18:26 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.89]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l324I7ho019633 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:18:07 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.105]) by bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:18:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 04:18:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070401201745.5962056AAA@sherman.mars.lan> From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net, paulf@quillandmouse.com Subject: RE: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:18:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 04:18:06.0336 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9DA9800:01C774DD] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.283, required 6, AWL -0.27, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com >Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) > > > >TAMPA **************************************************** > > 11 April 19:00-21:00 Tampa > (second Tuesday of each month) > > Hillsborough Community College > Dale Mabry Campus > Technology Bldg, Rm 409 > 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd > Tampa, FL > > Just to make a minor clarification, that should read Tuesday, 10 April. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 2 02:24:09 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l326O9J4014310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:24:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l326O9D9014309 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:24:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l326O85R014305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:24:08 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l326O8Vn014194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 02:24:08 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l324odji001967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:50:40 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50026 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HYEUq-00070w-In for slug@nks.net; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:50:24 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E4456A91 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 00:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46108B8D.8070905@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:50:21 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.144, required 6, AWL 0.70, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jonathon Conte wrote: >> From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com >> Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings >> Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:17:45 -0400 (EDT) >> >> >> >> TAMPA **************************************************** >> >> 11 April 19:00-21:00 Tampa >> (second Tuesday of each month) >> >> Hillsborough Community College >> Dale Mabry Campus >> Technology Bldg, Rm 409 >> 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd >> Tampa, FL >> >> > > Just to make a minor clarification, that should read Tuesday, 10 April. > You're right. I don't know why this happens. It clearly says 10th on the SLUG meeting calendar, but between that calendar and the meeting announcements, I keep adding a day. It's some sort of conspiracy, I'm sure of it. ;-} Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 2 11:08:53 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l32F8rme019024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:08:53 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l32F8rEt019023 for slug-track29; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:08:53 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l32F8qvt019019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:08:53 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l32F8qLv022922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:08:52 -0400 Received: from mx.ics.com (mx.ics.com [209.59.5.4]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l32F8O2J020185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:08:24 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.210] (host209.209.113.152.conversent.net [209.113.152.209]) by mx.ics.com (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l32F8MBt009739 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:08:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from amartin@ics.com) Message-ID: <46111C65.9050901@ics.com> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:08:21 -0400 From: Andrew Martin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] (Free) Qt Training Seminars [Quasi-Spam] References: <460DE523.7070906@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <460DE523.7070906@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.811, required 6, BAYES_99 3.50, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Everyone! My name is Andrew, and my company, ICS, and Trolltech are co-hosting some free Qt training in the Orlando area. I don't mean to spam the list, and my apologies if I have. I thought there might be some developers interested in learning a bit more about Qt. If anyone has any questions about the seminars, please feel free to contact me. Thanks, Andrew Martin ICS (www.ics.com) 617.621.0060 x161 =============================================================================== Info on Qt: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt ================================================================================ Info on our training seminars: We are pleased to announce that ICS and Trolltech are hosting a series of free Qt QuickStart seminars in the US - and we will be stopping in Orlando on April 18th! Qt QuickStart is a great opportunity to spend some time with experts in Qt from Trolltech and ICS, learn how to use Qt 4 to its full potential, and network with other Qt developers in your area. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 4 18:17:40 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34MHdbF015493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:17:39 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l34MHdkm015492 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:17:39 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34MHdlw015488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:17:39 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34MHdBk011132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:17:39 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34MHGYx024122 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:17:16 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JFZ00INRUXVPT50@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:10:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] new motherboard X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:55:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l34MtS7C015771 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:55:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34MtRcv015767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:55:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34MtRBB013105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:55:27 -0400 Received: from mx.mathey.org (mx.mathey.org [207.210.112.213]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34Mt3jr012478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:55:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAA3A40F2 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from mx.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a40N48-Qqx5k for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from droid.mathey.org (208-216.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.187.216.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8399BA40F1 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDE8277102 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:54:34 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.747, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > Well, I did it. Took apart the DVR (which is really a bog-standard > computer with a COTS OS and a fancy video card) to replace some > parts, and when I reassembled it, no blinkenlights. No POST. Not > even a BIOS beep when I removed all the RAM. Just to make sure I wasn't > asserting mobo failure unnecessarily, I disconnected all drives, > unplugged all cards, removed all headers except for fans, and swapped > the video card with a known good one, and got the same behavior. So I'm > pretty sure it's a dead motherboard, brought on be inadequate antistatic > procedures. > > This is really a crisis+opportunity. The DVR was needing to be upgraded > anyhow. My main machine (this one) is largely the same (2 GHz Athlon, > ASUS A7V333 [here] / A7V266 [there], Nvidia GeForce 4). So what I plan > to do is move this one to there and replace this one, not necessarily in > that order. It won't be much of an upgrade for the DVR (133 MHz memory > bus vs 100 MHz), but hey. > > So what should I look for for this one? I'm thinking: > > 1. dual-core AMD something > 2. HSF to go with #1 > 3. maybe PS if mine won't handle it > 4. PATA card (if the motherboard doesn't do PATA) (until my old drives > get upgraded) > 5. sound card (onboard sound is usually crappy) (ALSA needs to like > it.) > > Maybes: > 6. RAM (if it's changed) > 7. video card (DVI out) > > Help me shop please. I haven't looked it hardware in a couple years, so > I'm a bit out of touch. > I would go for...(within budget of course) Socket AM2 Athlon X2 (w\ 1mb L2)or Opteron DC. NForce 5xx or 6xx north bridge Most descent boards come with a pATA controller. DDR2 (get 2 x 1GB vs 4x 512, etc.) Creative X-Fi If you have the cheese go for GForce8800 as they are DX10 compatible (unless you don't game or plan to use vista. Otherwise get the best 7xxx series Gforce you can afford. The above will build you a screamer. newegg.com is your friend :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 4 19:39:22 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34NdL4R016182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:39:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l34NdLZ8016181 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:39:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34NdLXl016177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:39:21 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34NdLAg015988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:39:21 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l34Nd2DN006093 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:39:02 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JFZ006B6Z0XME26@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:30:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-reply-to: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.159, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.16) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Chris Mathey wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> >> So what should I look for for this one? I'm thinking: >> >> 1. dual-core AMD something >> 2. HSF to go with #1 >> 3. maybe PS if mine won't handle it >> 4. PATA card (if the motherboard doesn't do PATA) (until my old drives >> get upgraded) >> 5. sound card (onboard sound is usually crappy) (ALSA needs to like >> it.) >> >> Maybes: >> 6. RAM (if it's changed) >> 7. video card (DVI out) >> >> Help me shop please. I haven't looked it hardware in a couple years, so >> I'm a bit out of touch. >> > I would go for...(within budget of course) > Socket AM2 Athlon X2 (w\ 1mb L2)or Opteron DC. > NForce 5xx or 6xx north bridge > Most descent boards come with a pATA controller. Is there a minimum kernel revision for support for these? I've heard 2.6.19 for the common PATA implementation. > DDR2 (get 2 x 1GB vs 4x 512, etc.) Memory, I don't think there's a problem with. > Creative X-Fi > > If you have the cheese go for GForce8800 as they are DX10 compatible (unless > you don't game or plan to use vista. > Otherwise get the best 7xxx series Gforce you can afford. > The above will build you a screamer. > > newegg.com is your friend :) Yup, they've been good to me. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 4 21:56:42 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l351ugsf017384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:56:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l351ugho017383 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:56:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l351ufnX017379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:56:42 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l351ufnZ026286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:56:41 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l351uQ4i023749 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:56:27 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JG000BY15DQ8M23@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:56:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:47:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-reply-to: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.168, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.17) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Chris Mathey wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> >> So what should I look for for this one? I'm thinking: >> >> 1. dual-core AMD something >> 2. HSF to go with #1 >> 3. maybe PS if mine won't handle it >> 4. PATA card (if the motherboard doesn't do PATA) (until my old drives >> get upgraded) >> 5. sound card (onboard sound is usually crappy) (ALSA needs to like >> it.) >> >> Maybes: >> 6. RAM (if it's changed) >> 7. video card (DVI out) >> >> Help me shop please. I haven't looked it hardware in a couple years, so >> I'm a bit out of touch. >> > I would go for...(within budget of course) > Socket AM2 Athlon X2 (w\ 1mb L2)or Opteron DC. OK, Opteron is by Intel, and AthX2 is dual-core, yes? AMD says socket AM2 is meant to replace socket 939, apparently because of a keying restriction they like. Is this happennwg? > NForce 5xx or 6xx north bridge > Most descent boards come with a pATA controller. > DDR2 (get 2 x 1GB vs 4x 512, etc.) > Creative X-Fi > > If you have the cheese go for GForce8800 as they are DX10 compatible (unless > you don't game or plan to use vista. > Otherwise get the best 7xxx series Gforce you can afford. > The above will build you a screamer. SLi is a method of ganging two PCI-E slots together for faster video performance, and you can still use a plain PCI-E non-SLi video card though, right? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 4 23:15:24 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l353FOTq018077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:15:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l353FOVq018076 for slug-track29; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:15:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l353FOi7018072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:15:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l353FNHv031713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:15:23 -0400 Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3533gdT019879 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:03:43 -0400 Received: from smtp-a.omnis.com (smtp-a.omnis.com [216.239.128.237]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030C41BAA7 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.200] (222-10.201-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.201.10.222]) (Authenticated sender: pete@myraandpete.net) by smtp-a.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A46E40004D for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <46146727.3060108@myraandpete.net> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:04:07 -0400 From: "Pete S." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1, required 6, AWL -1.00, BAYES_80 2.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > Well, I did it. Took apart the DVR (which is really a bog-standard > computer with a COTS OS and a fancy video card) to replace some > parts, and when I reassembled it, no blinkenlights. No POST. Not > even a BIOS beep when I removed all the RAM. Just to make sure I wasn't > asserting mobo failure unnecessarily, I disconnected all drives, > unplugged all cards, removed all headers except for fans, and swapped > the video card with a known good one, and got the same behavior. So I'm > pretty sure it's a dead motherboard, brought on be inadequate antistatic > procedures. > > This is really a crisis+opportunity. The DVR was needing to be upgraded > anyhow. My main machine (this one) is largely the same (2 GHz Athlon, > ASUS A7V333 [here] / A7V266 [there], Nvidia GeForce 4). So what I plan > to do is move this one to there and replace this one, not necessarily in > that order. It won't be much of an upgrade for the DVR (133 MHz memory > bus vs 100 MHz), but hey. > > So what should I look for for this one? I'm thinking: > > 1. dual-core AMD something > 2. HSF to go with #1 > 3. maybe PS if mine won't handle it > 4. PATA card (if the motherboard doesn't do PATA) (until my old drives > get upgraded) > 5. sound card (onboard sound is usually crappy) (ALSA needs to like > it.) > > Maybes: > 6. RAM (if it's changed) > 7. video card (DVI out) > > Help me shop please. I haven't looked it hardware in a couple years, > so I'm a bit out of touch. > Decent page that will give insite http://www.tomshardware.com/find_by_topic/reviews.html Purchased this recently from pcinfinity.com Code Product Quantity Price/Ea. Total JAN380025640 Computer sys - athlon 64 3800 am2 256MB 40GB 52X CDROM & more (3 year warranty Brand New) 1 $213.91 $213.91 WARRANTY: 3 YEAR monitors: not selected speakers.: not selected mouse.: Mouse (black) keyboard.: Keyboard (black) firewire card.: not selected wireless card.: not selected media reader: not selected modem.: not selected sound card.: sound onboard video card.: fx6200 256MB $49.99 $49.99 floppy drive.: not selected 2nd optical drive.: not selected optical drive.: 52X CDROM hard drive cooler.: not selected 2nd hard dirve.: not selected hard drive.: 160GB SATA $33.99 $33.99 install memory as...: no preference memory heatspreader: not selected memory.: 1GB DDR2-533 $79.99 $79.99 power supply: 550 WATT $14.99 $14.99 case: Mid Black cpu: AMD AM2 3800 OPERATING SYSTEM: none motherboard.: Asus M2N-MX $39.99 $39.99 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 02:40:59 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356exPJ019848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:40:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l356exmS019847 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:40:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356ew7f019843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:40:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356ewP8017819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:40:58 -0400 Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp02.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.165]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356eNX0022133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:40:24 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net [74.245.140.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/2.5.9) with ESMTP id l356eAN83989578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:40:19 -0400 Message-ID: <461499C8.8030305@ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:40:08 -0400 From: Eldo Varghese User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20070404) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] Florida ODF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (smtp.ufl.edu [128.227.74.56]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:40:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests=, No X-UFL-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests= X-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-UFL-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.545, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.55, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello All A great deal of legislative sleuthing has uncovered this story from our state legislative session: A Florida legislator proposed language that would have mandated the use of open file formats, but the proposal was defeated in committee (with a little help from our friends in MS). Moreover, the official analysis of the proposal is utterly confused, mistaking open standards for FOSS (or as the analysis calls it, "open software"). All of this has happened quietly, with no public advocacy or news coverage whatsoever. The full story is here: http://uf.freeculture.org/2007/04/01/legislature-2007-state-of-florida-it/ Don't be confused by the timestamp on the post: it's no April Fool's joke, as you'll find if you check the references throughout the post. Be sure to look for the ESR reference in the official analysis. Florida Freeculture is currently working on bringing something like this back for the state university system. We would appreciate any help we can get, especially from Roblimo ;) - Eldo Varghese P.S please pass this on to other florida LUGs ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 02:57:05 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356v4eV019954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:57:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l356v43s019953 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:57:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356v3f4019949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:57:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356v25E019124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:57:03 -0400 Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp02.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.165]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l356udxT011445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:56:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net [74.245.140.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/2.5.9) with ESMTP id l356uYSs3125490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:56:35 -0400 Message-ID: <46149DA1.7040208@ufl.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:56:33 -0400 From: Eldo Varghese User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20070404) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Platform Independent Linux List!" , SLUG Mailing List CC: ubuntu-us-fl@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [SLUG] Presenting Ubuntu-us-fl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (smtp.ufl.edu [128.227.74.56]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:56:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests=, No X-UFL-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests= X-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-UFL-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.184, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.18, BAYES_50 0.00) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello all This email is simply to let you guys all know that the ubuntu florida locoteam has been established. 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Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:57:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:57:45 -0400 From: "Jan Mason" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-Reply-To: <46146727.3060108@myraandpete.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46146727.3060108@myraandpete.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.551, required 6, AWL -1.85, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_13 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_31 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_32 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_52 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Some notes for a couple different PCs: ======================================== Budget PC ======================================== mother board - Supermicro X7DAE $610 CDW Intel Xeon Dual Core 5150 2.66 Ghz Socket LGA771 $1157 CDW 2 sticks 2GB x 2 = 4GB 677MHz $836 Crucial power supply - PC Power and Cooling 1KW $500 PC Power and Cooling ViewSonic Pro Series VP2030b Black 20.1" 8ms DVI LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 $435 NewEgg ViewSonic Pro Series VP2030b Black 20.1" 8ms DVI LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 $435 NewEgg Seagate 500GB $250 Dirt Cheap Drives Seagate 500GB $250 Dirt Cheap Drives floppy drive 1.44 $35 NewEgg PLEXTOR Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 6X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 4X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 8M Cache IDE Slot Load DVD Burner $150 NewEgg EVGA 768-P2-N835-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SUPERCLOCKED HDCP Video Card $650 NewEgg Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card $183 NewEgg Total: $5,491 ===================================== Full PC ===================================== Intel Xeon Quad Core 5355 2.66 GHz Socket LGA771 $1950 CDW Intel Xeon Quad Core 5355 2.66 GHz Socket LGA771 $1950 CDW mother board - Supermicro X7DAE $610 CDW 8 sticks 4GB x 8 = 32GB 677MHz $11200 Crucial power supply - PC Power and Cooling 1KW $500 PC Power and Cooling ViewSonic Pro Series VP2030b Black 20.1" 8ms DVI LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 $435 NewEgg ViewSonic Pro Series VP2030b Black 20.1" 8ms DVI LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 $435 NewEgg Seagate 500GB $250 Dirt Cheap Drives Seagate 500GB $250 Dirt Cheap Drives Seagate 500GB $250 Dirt Cheap Drives Seagate 500GB $250 Dirt Cheap Drives floppy drive 1.44 $35 NewEgg PLEXTOR Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 6X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 4X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 8M Cache IDE Slot Load DVD Burner $150 NewEgg PLEXTOR Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 6X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 4X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 8M Cache IDE Slot Load DVD Burner $150 NewEgg EVGA 768-P2-N835-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SUPERCLOCKED HDCP Video Card $650 NewEgg EVGA 768-P2-N835-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SUPERCLOCKED HDCP Video Card $650 NewEgg Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card $183 NewEgg Total: $19,898 On 4/4/07, Pete S. wrote: > Eben King wrote: > > > Well, I did it. Took apart the DVR (which is really a bog-standard > > computer with a COTS OS and a fancy video card) to replace some > > parts, and when I reassembled it, no blinkenlights. No POST. Not > > even a BIOS beep when I removed all the RAM. Just to make sure I wasn't > > asserting mobo failure unnecessarily, I disconnected all drives, > > unplugged all cards, removed all headers except for fans, and swapped > > the video card with a known good one, and got the same behavior. So I'm > > pretty sure it's a dead motherboard, brought on be inadequate antistatic > > procedures. > > > > This is really a crisis+opportunity. The DVR was needing to be upgraded > > anyhow. My main machine (this one) is largely the same (2 GHz Athlon, > > ASUS A7V333 [here] / A7V266 [there], Nvidia GeForce 4). So what I plan > > to do is move this one to there and replace this one, not necessarily in > > that order. It won't be much of an upgrade for the DVR (133 MHz memory > > bus vs 100 MHz), but hey. > > > > So what should I look for for this one? I'm thinking: > > > > 1. dual-core AMD something > > 2. HSF to go with #1 > > 3. maybe PS if mine won't handle it > > 4. PATA card (if the motherboard doesn't do PATA) (until my old drives > > get upgraded) > > 5. sound card (onboard sound is usually crappy) (ALSA needs to like > > it.) > > > > Maybes: > > 6. RAM (if it's changed) > > 7. video card (DVI out) > > > > Help me shop please. I haven't looked it hardware in a couple years, > > so I'm a bit out of touch. > > > Decent page that will give insite > http://www.tomshardware.com/find_by_topic/reviews.html > > Purchased this recently from pcinfinity.com > Code Product Quantity Price/Ea. Total > JAN380025640 Computer sys - athlon 64 3800 am2 256MB 40GB 52X CDROM > & more (3 year warranty Brand New) 1 $213.91 $213.91 > WARRANTY: 3 YEAR > monitors: not selected > speakers.: not selected > mouse.: Mouse (black) > keyboard.: Keyboard (black) > firewire card.: not selected > wireless card.: not selected > media reader: not selected > modem.: not selected > sound card.: sound onboard > video card.: fx6200 256MB $49.99 $49.99 > floppy drive.: not selected > 2nd optical drive.: not selected > optical drive.: 52X CDROM > hard drive cooler.: not selected > 2nd hard dirve.: not selected > hard drive.: 160GB SATA $33.99 $33.99 > install memory as...: no preference > memory heatspreader: not selected > memory.: 1GB DDR2-533 $79.99 $79.99 > power supply: 550 WATT $14.99 $14.99 > case: Mid Black > cpu: AMD AM2 3800 > OPERATING SYSTEM: none > motherboard.: Asus M2N-MX $39.99 $39.99 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 06:23:55 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35ANt2s022080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:23:55 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35ANtoC022079 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:23:55 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35ANtBX022075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:23:55 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35ANsZ1004949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:23:55 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35ANT86006973 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:23:30 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so629956and for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:23:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=drYJnVGATPzZ50SCGB/zp6RMTh/Bem83lx0ALa6OlcYjuFJVEFxzozRA40La3eIlYTKNb99bn3a2qSkRzGG90Wc9McvShr/tVvm1g8yqZmj2yhwfPnI0NupJzEpb3qs4RDLZ618fokC0mz9ZCN5AdSqx64WllIhWDTxQLD7Z7Ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a3eBEUvRlaJAMlRMIMI973dzq+esZF+hqNebc6DyvvO7iv8yi8dcyYZ1vEfO3tQwHrDbCGmp0qV5Ps+NwNdnohgssKPTyyFWqpBI/MCilm8RwT2s2tEk8Dx4ZbXB7stvBpYE4oEvIO8RUpoOOe8Weihokj9xHAhZjJph5UCogRs= Received: by 10.100.124.5 with SMTP id w5mr1167023anc.1175768609558; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.34.5 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 03:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 06:23:29 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42731_13081715.1175768609517" References: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.376, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_42731_13081715.1175768609517 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/4/07, Eben King wrote: > > On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Chris Mathey wrote: > > > OK, Opteron is by Intel, and AthX2 is dual-core, yes? AMD says socket AM2 > is meant to replace socket 939, apparently because of a keying restriction > they like. Is this happennwg? Ok you just insulted me. Did you just call an Opteron an intel chip. OMGWTFBBQ(j/k) No Opterons are the server grade form of the Athlon 64. Opterons are the competition to Intel Xeon processors. They came in a couple different pin layouts Oringal 940, AM2, Socket T > NForce 5xx or 6xx north bridge > > Most descent boards come with a pATA controller. > > DDR2 (get 2 x 1GB vs 4x 512, etc.) > > Creative X-Fi > > > > If you have the cheese go for GForce8800 as they are DX10 compatible > (unless > > you don't game or plan to use vista. > > Otherwise get the best 7xxx series Gforce you can afford. > > The above will build you a screamer. > > SLi is a method of ganging two PCI-E slots together for faster video > performance, and you can still use a plain PCI-E non-SLi video card > though, > right? > > -- > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 > > Drive nail here > < for new monitor. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 4/4/07, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Chris Mathey wrote:


OK, Opteron is by Intel, and AthX2 is dual-core, yes?  AMD says socket AM2
is meant to replace socket 939, apparently because of a keying restriction
they like.  Is this happennwg?
 
Ok you just insulted me.   Did you just call an Opteron an intel chip.  OMGWTFBBQ(j/k)
No Opterons are the server grade form of the Athlon 64. Opterons are the competition to Intel Xeon processors.
They came in a couple different pin layouts
 
Oringal 940, AM2, Socket T

> NForce 5xx or 6xx north bridge
> Most descent boards come with a pATA controller.
> DDR2 (get 2 x 1GB vs 4x 512, etc.)
> Creative X-Fi
>
> If you have the cheese go for GForce8800 as they are DX10 compatible (unless
> you don't game or plan to use vista.
> Otherwise get the best 7xxx series Gforce you can afford.
> The above will build you a screamer.

SLi is a method of ganging two PCI-E slots together for faster video
performance, and you can still use a plain PCI-E non-SLi video card though,
right?

--
-eben   QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP   royalty.mine.nu:81

            Drive nail here > < for new monitor.
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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 07:32:22 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35BWM3U022668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:32:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35BWMKp022667 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:32:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35BWM7V022663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:32:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35BWLNk011073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:32:21 -0400 Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35BVm0S012623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:31:49 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [71.100.44.200]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C465193D; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4614DE23.2040302@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:31:47 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net, poningru@ufl.edu Subject: Re: [SLUG] Florida ODF References: <461499C8.8030305@ufl.edu> In-Reply-To: <461499C8.8030305@ufl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > ...A Florida legislator proposed language that would have mandated the > use > of open file formats, but the proposal was defeated in committee (with > a little help from our friends in MS). > ...All of this has happened quietly, with no public advocacy or news > coverage whatsoever. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 08:28:47 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35CSlvC023168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:28:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35CSlpr023167 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:28:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35CSkNX023163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:28:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35CSkS0018137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:28:46 -0400 Received: from mx.mathey.org (mx.mathey.org [207.210.112.213]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35CRxqg015671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB29A40F2 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:27:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from mx.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HBFIX+eLpZEc for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from droid.mathey.org (208-216.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.187.216.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C7CA40F1 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADF72770FE for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4614EB32.2000002@mathey.org> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:27:30 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard References: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.747, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Robert Snyder wrote: > > > Ok you just insulted me. Did you just call an Opteron an intel chip. > OMGWTFBBQ(j/k) > No Opterons are the server grade form of the Athlon 64. Opterons are the > competition to Intel Xeon processors. > They came in a couple different pin layouts > Opterons are popular gaming processors due to the 1mb L2. There have been a couple freak Opterons. Like the I have. I have an Opteron 165 (good stepping) 1.8Ghz. I have overclocked this to 2.7 with air cooling and no stability issues. This nets me FX-57 + performance. > > SLi is a method of ganging two PCI-E slots together for faster video > performance, and you can still use a plain PCI-E non-SLi video card > though, > right? > Don't bother with SLI if you don't have a ginormous monitor or aren't into high end gaming. It only really shines with very high resolutions. Yes you can use a single PCI-E in a SLI board. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 12:35:02 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35GZ1rq025316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:35:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35GZ1Jo025315 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:35:01 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35GZ1QI025307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:35:01 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35GZ04Z005896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:35:00 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35GYLLP025740 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JG100D3HA0VLHB4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:25:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-reply-to: <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.096, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.10, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Robert Snyder wrote: > On 4/4/07, Eben King wrote: >> >> OK, Opteron is by Intel, and AthX2 is dual-core, yes? > > Ok you just insulted me. Did you just call an Opteron an intel chip. > OMGWTFBBQ(j/k) > No Opterons are the server grade form of the Athlon 64. Opterons are the > competition to Intel Xeon processors. > They came in a couple different pin layouts > > Oringal 940, AM2, Socket T Sorry, sorry. :-) Another question: In shopping for CPUs, I see some where the model name includes "(65W)" and other, seemingly identical ones, where it doesn't. Case in point: Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (65W) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103749 Athlon 64 X2 4600+ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103751 You pay $4 extra for the "(65W)" variant. They have the same cache sizes (L1=128K+128K, L2=2*512K). I see on other sites that the non-65W version has a power consumption of 89W, so my WAG is that the 65W version is lower power and therefore slower? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 13:19:09 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35HJ9X1025729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:19:09 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35HJ9uS025728 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:19:09 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35HJ8Wp025724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:19:09 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35HJ8de009350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:19:08 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35HIHf8032271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:18:17 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35HIHmq022859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:18:17 -0400 Message-ID: <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:18:16 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard References: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.511, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.51, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > Sorry, sorry. :-) Another question: In shopping for CPUs, I see > some where the model name includes "(65W)" and other, seemingly > identical ones, where it doesn't. Case in point: > > Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (65W) > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103749 > > Athlon 64 X2 4600+ > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103751 > > You pay $4 extra for the "(65W)" variant. They have the same cache > sizes (L1=128K+128K, L2=2*512K). I see on other sites that the > non-65W version has a power consumption of 89W, so my WAG is that the > 65W version is lower power and therefore slower? When the dies are cut out of the wafer and tested, each is rated on its heat dissipation, power use, any failed area of the chip that can be routed around or disabled altogether and sold as a lower end unit (think Sempron), etc. To this end, the chips that are rated lower power are really just the higher quality chips. As such, you don't need to run them at a higher power level to get the electrons to flow through malformed/inadequate pathways, or whatever other defects may have appeared during manufacture. Is it worth the $4 extra? If you want to overclock, hells yes. If you want a lower power more efficient machine like a laptop or some idle-most-of-the-time home server, then sure. Heck, for $4, the piece of mind knowing that chip passed more strenuous tests than the chip that was $4 cheaper is well worth it to me. That's my take on it anyway. - Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 14:09:32 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35I9WsD026167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:09:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35I9WgB026166 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:09:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35I9WC1026162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:09:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35I9WKP013215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:09:32 -0400 Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35I8w1N010146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:08:58 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [71.100.44.200]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F385191F for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46153B33.2040709@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:08:51 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Please help advocate open standards in Florida state IT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Okay, you've probably seen this link by now: http://uf.freeculture.org/2007/04/01/legislature-2007-state-of-florida-it/ Bottom line: Rep. Ed Homan (R-Tampa) tried to get a small paragraph added to a general IT bill in the State Senate that mildly favored open standards (i.e. ODF etc.) in state IT operations. It was a quiet effort, he told me, but still, within 24 hours all the State Senators on the appropriate committee had been contacted by lobbyists representing Microsoft, who also paid him a visit. "It was like 'Men in Black," Ed told me. Three men, all wearing black suits." Ed had a lot more to say. And so did others close to the matter. I'll have a story up on Linux.com Monday. **BUT** you can help make this a better story and a STRONGER LOBBYING EFFORT, too, by making a couple of calls. These are the members of the Governmental Operations Committee: Al Lawson (Chair) - (850) 487-5004 - lawson.alfred.web@flsenate.gov Bill Posey (Vice Chair) - (850) 487-5053 - posey.bill.web@flsenate.gov Nancy Argenziano - (850) 487-5017 - argenziano.nancy.web@flsenate.gov Jim King - (850) 487-5030 - king.james.web@flsenate.gov Steve Oelrich - (850) 487-5020 - oelrich.steve.web@flsenate.gov Frederica Wilson - (850) 487-5116 - wilson.frederica.web@flsenate.gov Please call these people's offices and ask them why they rejected the open standards addition to SB 1974. Don't email. Call. AND take notes on what they say, and please email those responses to me, robin@roblimo.com If any of these Senators deny any lobbying influence, here are the lobbyists' names and affiliations: Will McKinley of Dutko Poole McKinley, Jim Daughton, Jr. and Geoffrey Becker both of Metz, Hauser, Husband & Daughton, PA. Ed said that as far as he knew, this was the *only* input the Senators got about his little attempt to bring at least a tiny ray of open source goodness (starting with open standards) to Florida state government. No legislators regularly hear from citizens interested in either open standards or open source software. Ed and his son, Doug, have both told me they think (like, this is a surprise?) that most FL lawmakers know -zero- about this stuff; that it's too late to educate them for the current leg. session, but that we really need to start working on them for next year. Ed gave me info for IBM's lobbyist, who may be willing to help on the open source side. I'll call her shortly. Meanwhile, if you could call the Senators noted above -- and possibly your own legislators -- and let me know what they (or at least their office people) have to say, I would appreciate it as a LUG member, as a journalist, and as a Florida taxpayer. 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 14:20:25 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IKP52026318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35IKPvA026317 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IKOgD026313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IKORZ013891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:24 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IJehb032173 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:19:40 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so814100and for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:19:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tapXCxwUqzbjE5mpI3r5Ftrocv5Vz5PwNbr9t7AvGhypn9SiREUbztbKnNfSwIv3z00ujEiyVPKtFKZ0N+3g85NNnkHoss8L3ki+154ZwXPMcuXFlq8o0fHSlUzIDLAp69kO+oOe+AK5dhRWVj4Yw5H1PY/kmnTfvEeoRPXL2kg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gPVY9Fzvw7PrLVcA/70/gHtrXGQm2QR6ulfT3FgVfnaR0zVCUy6SpiP2zC7g02UgLyHoAIDq6jgEQ2ro7bdzIZT0VGqlblBbMCGJIUW9fzFF9iu1BxT9ZJmc6oBM6VA7DOom+VzSL2s0fkY/3sNyYHS6ELElBozxk5NOqivjPCc= Received: by 10.100.152.9 with SMTP id z9mr1536220and.1175797178781; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.34.5 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860704051119j20bdadd3wef4513c9c7d16ea2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:19:38 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_48113_10263057.1175797178729" References: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.475, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.10, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_DV 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_48113_10263057.1175797178729 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/5/07, Eben King wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Robert Snyder wrote: > > > On 4/4/07, Eben King wrote: > >> > >> OK, Opteron is by Intel, and AthX2 is dual-core, yes? > > > > Ok you just insulted me. Did you just call an Opteron an intel chip. > > OMGWTFBBQ(j/k) > > No Opterons are the server grade form of the Athlon 64. Opterons are the > > competition to Intel Xeon processors. > > They came in a couple different pin layouts > > > > Oringal 940, AM2, Socket T > > Sorry, sorry. :-) Another question: In shopping for CPUs, I see some > where the model name includes "(65W)" and other, seemingly identical ones, > where it doesn't. Case in point: > > Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (65W) > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103749 > > Athlon 64 X2 4600+ > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103751 > > You pay $4 extra for the "(65W)" variant. They have the same cache sizes > (L1=128K+128K, L2=2*512K). I see on other sites that the non-65W version > has a power consumption of 89W, so my WAG is that the 65W version is lower > power and therefore slower? The lower wattage does not equal slower preformance. Actually it is the other way around. a. less power consumption = cooler processor b. Less heat while on load c. longer processor life. the extra 4 dollars is well worth it. granted it would be better if they offered 45 watt rohs complaint chips but that is life. But a dvr would benefit the lower power consumption and heat. As some one who had to deal with heat issues with commerical dvr products. -- > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 > Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who > would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. > -- Oliver Cromwell > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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On 4/5/07, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Robert Snyder wrote:

> On 4/4/07, Eben King < eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> OK, Opteron is by Intel, and AthX2 is dual-core, yes?
>
> Ok you just insulted me.   Did you just call an Opteron an intel chip.
> OMGWTFBBQ(j/k)
> No Opterons are the server grade form of the Athlon 64. Opterons are the
> competition to Intel Xeon processors.
> They came in a couple different pin layouts
>
> Oringal 940, AM2, Socket T

Sorry, sorry.  :-)  Another question:  In shopping for CPUs, I see some
where the model name includes "(65W)" and other, seemingly identical ones,
where it doesn't.  Case in point:

Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (65W)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103749

Athlon 64 X2 4600+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103751

You pay $4 extra for the "(65W)" variant.  They have the same cache sizes
(L1=128K+128K, L2=2*512K).  I see on other sites that the non-65W version
has a power consumption of 89W, so my WAG is that the 65W version is lower
power and therefore slower?
 
The lower wattage does not equal slower preformance.  Actually it is the other way around. 
 
a. less power consumption = cooler processor
b. Less heat while on load
c. longer processor life.
 
the extra 4 dollars is well worth it.  granted it would be better if they offered 45 watt rohs complaint chips but that is life.   But a dvr would benefit the lower power consumption and heat.  As some one who had to deal with heat issues with commerical dvr products.

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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 14:20:38 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IKcGN026330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35IKc8d026329 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IKcHm026325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IKcQS013905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:38 -0400 Received: from mx.mathey.org (mx.mathey.org [207.210.112.213]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IKCeF028138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84DEFA40F5 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from mx.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I59JxHNFo8EZ for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from droid.mathey.org (208-216.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.187.216.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145CFA40F4 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974AA2770F0 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46153DC5.2000403@mathey.org> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:19:49 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard References: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> In-Reply-To: <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.556, required 6, AWL 1.30, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ian C. Blenke wrote: > Is it worth the $4 extra? If you want to overclock, hells yes. If you > want a lower power more efficient machine like a laptop or some > idle-most-of-the-time home server, then sure. Heck, for $4, the piece of > mind knowing that chip passed more strenuous tests than the chip that > was $4 cheaper is well worth it to me. > > That's my take on it anyway. > > - Ian > > x2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 14:41:35 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IfY1L026485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:41:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35IfY4E026484 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:41:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IfYi7026480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:41:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35IfXGO015295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:41:34 -0400 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35If8aT012157 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:41:08 -0400 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 71so433155wri for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:41:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m/U2bZa+Ul8sgSeOV13Kr2KYuflbG0wnH3DQwm6BDb5fX7dU3UUOh/3oEiQCORUk+kz+T3r6HUCi4mZWGCDI1s4mBcFAI8+gxHKkShOfJWcBaA9qfz6k2neSnpWL5bsMsYov54aW8QR1UvMyqyncmRhiyX0Doi0hxrUOz9NSG3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Svodp2NlEcgbu43eEP3aHOCMVv3p8PuMTK+Xgs5Wno7M0TZKsum5VoaVSV/59PQMrk+jq7cY6Xgt5/1oFhzUuEvQcWFuUuUui1mPbuQiYobIp+xEm546Q9q0f1nC8I2ckHVm/5bvC/69THHWLEoJo9Ny8ktt+xZrlDWJUWcDliE= Received: by 10.115.76.1 with SMTP id d1mr865625wal.1175798466052; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.171.10 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <61575c810704051141q5fe3e9bm383a3059ac8af33f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:41:06 -0400 From: "Matt Florell" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Please help advocate open standards in Florida state IT In-Reply-To: <46153B33.2040709@roblimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46153B33.2040709@roblimo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.448, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.45) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello, I called the offices of my State senator(Charlie Justice) and Representative(Bill Heller) about this and of course neither knew anything about this issue, but they thanked me for my input and would call me back if they get a chance. I have not had the time to call anyone else in the committees, but I will try later. Thanks for the great background information! MATT--- On 4/5/07, Robin 'Roblimo' Miller wrote: > Okay, you've probably seen this link by now: > http://uf.freeculture.org/2007/04/01/legislature-2007-state-of-florida-it/ > > Bottom line: Rep. Ed Homan (R-Tampa) tried to get a small paragraph > added to a general IT bill in the State Senate that mildly favored open > standards (i.e. ODF etc.) in state IT operations. It was a quiet effort, > he told me, but still, within 24 hours all the State Senators on the > appropriate committee had been contacted by lobbyists representing > Microsoft, who also paid him a visit. > > "It was like 'Men in Black," Ed told me. Three men, all wearing black > suits." > > Ed had a lot more to say. And so did others close to the matter. I'll > have a story up on Linux.com Monday. > > **BUT** you can help make this a better story and a STRONGER LOBBYING > EFFORT, too, by making a couple of calls. > > These are the members of the Governmental Operations Committee: > > Al Lawson (Chair) - (850) 487-5004 - lawson.alfred.web@flsenate.gov Bill > Posey (Vice Chair) - (850) 487-5053 - posey.bill.web@flsenate.gov Nancy > Argenziano - (850) 487-5017 - argenziano.nancy.web@flsenate.gov Jim King - > (850) 487-5030 - king.james.web@flsenate.gov Steve Oelrich - (850) 487-5020 > - oelrich.steve.web@flsenate.gov Frederica Wilson - (850) 487-5116 - > wilson.frederica.web@flsenate.gov > > Please call these people's offices and ask them why they rejected the open standards addition to SB 1974. > > Don't email. Call. > > AND take notes on what they say, and please email those responses to me, robin@roblimo.com > > If any of these Senators deny any lobbying influence, here are the lobbyists' names and affiliations: > > Will McKinley of Dutko Poole McKinley, Jim Daughton, Jr. and Geoffrey Becker both of Metz, Hauser, > Husband & Daughton, PA. > > Ed said that as far as he knew, this was the *only* input the Senators got about his little attempt to bring at least a tiny ray of open source goodness (starting with open standards) to Florida state government. No legislators regularly hear from citizens interested in either open standards or open source software. > > Ed and his son, Doug, have both told me they think (like, this is a surprise?) that most FL lawmakers know -zero- about this stuff; that it's too late to educate them for the current leg. session, but that we really need to start working on them for next year. > > Ed gave me info for IBM's lobbyist, who may be willing to help on the open source side. I'll call her shortly. > > Meanwhile, if you could call the Senators noted above -- and possibly your own legislators -- and let me know what they (or at least their office people) have to say, I would appreciate it as a LUG member, as a journalist, and as a Florida taxpayer. > > Thank you, > Robin 'Roblimo' Miller > Editor in Chief, OSTG > Bradenton, Florida > > PS - please forward this email to as many other LUGs, computer user/developer groups, and interested individuals as you can. We need all the help we can get! :) > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 15:06:47 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35J6lD6026712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:06:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35J6lTx026711 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:06:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35J6kZs026707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:06:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35J6kij017286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:06:46 -0400 Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35J6XnF021310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:06:34 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [71.100.44.200]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469F15193F for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 15:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <461548B8.2070800@roblimo.com> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:06:32 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Please help advocate open standards in Florida state IT References: <46153B33.2040709@roblimo.com> <61575c810704051141q5fe3e9bm383a3059ac8af33f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <61575c810704051141q5fe3e9bm383a3059ac8af33f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.092, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.09, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Matt Florell wrote: > Hello, > > I called the offices of my State senator(Charlie Justice) and > Representative(Bill Heller) about this and of course neither knew > anything about this issue, but they thanked me for my input and would > call me back if they get a chance. I have not had the time to call > anyone else in the committees, but I will try later. Great! Thanks! Meanwhile, I'm calling registered FL lobbyists. Novell has one, IBM has one, Microsoft has eight. Linux, Canonical, Ubuntu, Debian and Red Hat have a collective total of.... zero... registered lobbyists in FL. Sun Microsystems has a registered lobbying firm here, but I'm on the phone with them now and no one there seems to know who handles Sun.... they'll have to call me back.... - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 16:07:46 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35K7jY3027241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:07:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35K7j5j027240 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35K7jPV027236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:07:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35K7j3m021084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:07:45 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35K7Aid015622 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:07:10 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JG100IH0JVMPHC3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:06:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-reply-to: <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.06, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.06, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Ian C. Blenke wrote: > Eben King wrote: > >> You pay $4 extra for the "(65W)" variant. They have the same cache sizes >> (L1=128K+128K, L2=2*512K). I see on other sites that the non-65W version >> has a power consumption of 89W, so my WAG is that the 65W version is lower >> power and therefore slower? > > When the dies are cut out of the wafer and tested, each is rated on its heat > dissipation, power use, any failed area of the chip that can be routed around > or disabled altogether and sold as a lower end unit (think Sempron), etc. > > To this end, the chips that are rated lower power are really just the higher > quality chips. As such, you don't need to run them at a higher power level to > get the electrons to flow through malformed/inadequate pathways, or whatever > other defects may have appeared during manufacture. > > Is it worth the $4 extra? If you want to overclock, hells yes. If you want a > lower power more efficient machine like a laptop or some > idle-most-of-the-time home server, then sure. Heck, for $4, the piece of mind > knowing that chip passed more strenuous tests than the chip that was $4 > cheaper is well worth it to me. > > That's my take on it anyway. OK, cool. Yes, this machine is on all the time and mostly idle (the room only has got 1 AC vent). What I've chosen so far are: motherboard: ASUS M2N-E http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131096 mem voltage max=1.95v, socket=AM2 $101 CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (65W) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103749 socket=AM2 $124 RAM: Mushkin 996529 (2 1GB sticks) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146599 voltage=1.8v $185 ($20 rebate) HSF: Zalman CNPS 9700 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118019 $64 video card: ASUS EN7600GS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121008 $103 total: $577 with a $20 rebate How do I tell if my power supply will suffice? Not sure of the wattage ("300" springs to mind, but so does "350"). It's got one of those square plugs, 2*black + 2*yellow, but none of those ~6-pin linear jobbies, and the mobo connector is 20 but the new one takes 24. I have an adapter that came with another PS I could press into service... The board has two IDE connectors, which I'll use for my HDs and optical drives. They'll be replaced with SATA drives by attrition. The board also has two PCI slots, which I'll use for the SCSI card (to drive the scanner) and the sound card (SB Live!). Sound OK? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 16:29:37 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35KTbcS027463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35KTbAq027462 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35KTaUu027458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:36 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35KTaGu022489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:36 -0400 Received: from mx.mathey.org (mx.mathey.org [207.210.112.213]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35KT2iY019282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FCCA4112 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from mx.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKaxSO+w4rAa for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from droid.mathey.org (208-216.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.187.216.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE77A410C for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB622770FE for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 16:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46155C02.3030808@mathey.org> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:28:50 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard References: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.219, required 6, AWL -0.34, BAYES_40 -0.18, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > > How do I tell if my power supply will suffice? Not sure of the wattage > ("300" springs to mind, but so does "350"). It's got one of those > square plugs, 2*black + 2*yellow, but none of those ~6-pin linear > jobbies, and the mobo connector is 20 but the new one takes 24. I have > an adapter that came with another PS I could press into service... > All looks good but at the bare minimum 400watts on the PS. Even @ 400watts if you get el cheapo you might suffer from spontaneous reboots. Make sure you have the correct cables on the PS. PCI-E, SATA,4pin molex,24 pin main ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 19:52:13 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35NqDmS029135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:52:13 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l35NqDLd029134 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:52:13 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35NqC3v029130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:52:12 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35NqCf4003541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:52:12 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35NpaqU006396 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:51:36 -0400 Received: from athlon2400 (dt0b1n13.tampabay.res.rr.com [24.92.27.19]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l35NpZEh023541 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003101c777dd$522bd2f0$0200a8c0@athlon2400> From: "James" To: References: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> <46155C02.3030808@mathey.org> Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:51:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.3, required 6, AWL -0.70, BAYES_80 2.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mathey" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard > Eben King wrote: > >> >> How do I tell if my power supply will suffice? Not sure of the wattage >> ("300" springs to mind, but so does "350"). It's got one of those square >> plugs, 2*black + 2*yellow, but none of those ~6-pin linear jobbies, and >> the mobo connector is 20 but the new one takes 24. I have an adapter >> that came with another PS I could press into service... >> > All looks good but at the bare minimum 400watts on the PS. Even @ > 400watts if you get el cheapo you might suffer from spontaneous reboots. > Make sure you have the correct cables on the PS. PCI-E, SATA,4pin molex,24 > pin main I have been doing quite a few computer builds lately and find the Quiet power supplys are much nicer on my hearing than just having a good 400 watt PS. The ones i find are the quietest are these. enermax noisetaker II 420W http://www.directron.com/eg425pvesfma.html zalman ZM460-B 460W http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817379004 and a costly fanless supply ePower Lion EP-450P5-L1 http://www.aicmicro.com/productdetail.asp?id=27550 I have tried the rosewell, ultra, Thermotake, cooler master, antec, and others but none match these for quiet. I personally want a dead silent computer or entertainment center, if possible. Nothing like a fine PS whine to ruin the listening of my music collection. JamesS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 5 20:12:46 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l360Ck0a029328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:12:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l360CkL5029327 for slug-track29; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:12:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l360CjGC029323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:12:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l360CjEG005165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:12:45 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l35Mkt4L000895 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:46:55 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JG1006PLRA6MF49@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:46:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] new motherboard In-reply-to: <46155C02.3030808@mathey.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <46142CAA.8030107@mathey.org> <31f129860704050323s4501b2b1g1567d36ce9573cc0@mail.gmail.com> <46152F58.2050004@blenke.com> <46155C02.3030808@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.048, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.05) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Chris Mathey wrote: > Eben King wrote: > >> How do I tell if my power supply will suffice? Not sure of the wattage >> ("300" springs to mind, but so does "350"). It's got one of those square >> plugs, 2*black + 2*yellow, but none of those ~6-pin linear jobbies, and the >> mobo connector is 20 but the new one takes 24. I have an adapter that came >> with another PS I could press into service... >> > All looks good but at the bare minimum 400watts on the PS. Even @ 400watts > if you get el cheapo you might suffer from spontaneous reboots. Gotcha. Amended list: motherboard: ASUS M2N-E http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131096 mem voltage max=1.95v, socket=AM2 $101 CPU: Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (65W) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103749 socket=AM2 $124 RAM: Mushkin 996529 (2 1GB sticks) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146599 voltage=1.8v $185 ($20 rebate) HSF: Zalman CNPS 9700 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118019 $64 video card: ASUS EN7600GS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121008 $103 power supply: RAIDmax Hybrid 2 RX-530SS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152028 $68 (10 rebate) total: $645 with a $30 in rebates In the past, a friend of mine has bought a rebate from me at ~70% of face value. As I hate rebates, and he makes money that way, it's an acceptable solution. I'll see if he'll do it again. > Make sure you have the correct cables on the PS. PCI-E, SATA,4pin molex,24 > pin main PCI-E: 2x SATA: I have no SATA drives, but just in case there are 4 of them 4-pin molex: 1x 24-pin mobo: implemented as 20 + 4 So I think I'm set. What does this mean: SLI Support Yes I don't see any connectors logically connected to SLi. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 07:51:38 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37BpcSC015851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37BpceX015850 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37BpcTT015846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37BpbWa010809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:37 -0400 Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l37BpIsC029068 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 84520 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2007 11:51:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WWhn8s1sb/nUmaDxN1TtLyI1wVJPwh4OhkQFGNQOXTvMLf/qvB5TaDQlPWVWBMJ2oACn7khDyVOQ590jGkLo7KecIwHJ2hZyyQUoAH6uTKFKFVKjVQapo5BcwwVOZ3QseCMz1JWAaS6UbtHqrFEjQNLovxMai23DWCxLshngzKM=; X-YMail-OSG: VSytFrUVM1m2myNMvHdqplE_LJ01u4qekJLx2mJxzMbRc2Ke.I4EQhbYYT25u4NvP24STnjn_PVykvkSEAswHWD6zfBKX63wJahW21iiO7uztL_hCTeX.vBexxbL4g-- Received: from [70.156.25.137] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:51:18 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: cheap server To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <31f129860704011846s34b87bb5ie4099b453dcfb50c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <318350.84351.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.8, required 6, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the info. In the end it was not cheap enough but I did buy it. I paid $370 for it and $64 for shipping. I did get the 1650 p3 1.4. I am going to do a full round of tests when I get it tuesday. William --- Robert Snyder wrote: > On 4/1/07, William Coulter wrote: > > > > I have a chance to buy a cheap server from Ebay. I don't do this > > often. I have a choice of a > > poweredge 1650 p3 1.4, a poweredge 1550 p3 1.3, and a poweredge 2450 p3 > > 933. What do you think? > > I like the 1650 because it is the faster one but does it make a difference > > with the model type? > > > > You have a 50/50 chance fo them lasting. I have gotten some great deals on > rack mount servers, 2 SGI intel based servers that were really made by > VALinux and a some dells and 2 X-Series IBM 1u racks. > > I have had some issues with some after about of year of heavy usage but > others no problems at all. If the price is right and as long as you go in > not expecting them to last longer than what it takes for you to get yoru cna > you should be fine. > > I am studding for CNA and I don't have anything to use. > > > > Thanks, > > William > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > > hotel bargains. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 07:52:33 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37BqWpM015872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:52:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37BqWe6015871 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:52:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37BqWJN015867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:52:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37BqVoH010884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:52:32 -0400 Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l37Bpgsa023255 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 12367 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2007 11:51:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F88re4nkjaWDxgdUCHuKyIVl56pGIoXH0kv82OLe073xloB6rNdJ8oHvEOs0Swd9/aCvijOBhSOn2LOe4eKMYqDuSYyxsIgkiMYXTGGAySQJI8YHcg3fJr/4BN1ikJNag6x/Cpy5JLuCczg71Kjn7DPmWyLgnBlEy8NIYK73APg=; X-YMail-OSG: dSNZAEoVM1nc8aVYBpydzOFGoUc9wijcePFO4.sNGOtyB20QOkPjyDU.2gDBMmiACHJ6PfTkj2ywE7_KnTj7eVL8SVtfjES.Qf.bn9REF6xp4Bd2WZckE3poPBdv5g-- Received: from [70.156.25.137] by web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:51:42 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: cheap server To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <31f129860704011846s34b87bb5ie4099b453dcfb50c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <284836.12333.qm@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.801, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks for the info. In the end it was not cheap enough but I did buy it. I paid $370 for it and $64 for shipping. I did get the 1650 p3 1.4. I am going to do a full round of tests when I get it tuesday. William --- Robert Snyder wrote: > On 4/1/07, William Coulter wrote: > > > > I have a chance to buy a cheap server from Ebay. I don't do this > > often. I have a choice of a > > poweredge 1650 p3 1.4, a poweredge 1550 p3 1.3, and a poweredge 2450 p3 > > 933. What do you think? > > I like the 1650 because it is the faster one but does it make a difference > > with the model type? > > > > You have a 50/50 chance fo them lasting. I have gotten some great deals on > rack mount servers, 2 SGI intel based servers that were really made by > VALinux and a some dells and 2 X-Series IBM 1u racks. > > I have had some issues with some after about of year of heavy usage but > others no problems at all. If the price is right and as long as you go in > not expecting them to last longer than what it takes for you to get yoru cna > you should be fine. > > I am studding for CNA and I don't have anything to use. > > > > Thanks, > > William > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > > hotel bargains. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 08:12:19 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37CCJ8Y016061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:12:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37CCJJF016060 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:12:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37CCIrb016056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:12:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37CCHKZ014163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:12:18 -0400 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37CBt9I013945 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:11:55 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d30so1292616and for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:11:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Qu1f0mY1exF3YmxS5OEIDF5E7HYe5kHtxQrd/7sLW2+Np1ItEJYg94pZCLrJxN3KDT2UoP2MMop6EsI2Gf1ep2kp5TrBEjWoC5X+w2CdwLSE/YYii+KykpRzVjayRUqQan1a7n/fL6jcix4uenbLvLpR/a8J+P8S9jPKx0P034A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DEuOrXbH2nwB2c6s6roE73HnMJUWDJS2sQUEsJmYTWsmAS3Up2zoaBwLCdgfGiv2C4+QL1usHFmUZ0h9fwkOw7fyoSc/5uHWKOeScUIpIx1HJhbzyA9CQN9GZIfIJqWh5S3Zt0yniidQgIOZWMv6+//bO4ngJs76xYfpGxU2zuM= Received: by 10.100.107.2 with SMTP id f2mr2763120anc.1175947914815; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 05:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.34.5 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <31f129860704070511s32fc54b4na2d77bac9c00be66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:11:54 -0400 From: "Robert Snyder" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: cheap server In-Reply-To: <284836.12333.qm@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14866_23027403.1175947914756" References: <31f129860704011846s34b87bb5ie4099b453dcfb50c@mail.gmail.com> <284836.12333.qm@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.308, required 6, AWL -0.87, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, LOCAL_OBFU_GENERIC 1.80) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_14866_23027403.1175947914756 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 4/7/07, William Coulter wrote: > > Thanks for the info. In the end it was not cheap enough but I did buy > it. I paid $370 for it and > $64 for shipping. I did get the 1650 p3 1.4. I am going to do a full > round of tests when I get > it tuesday. Little pricey I have a1.4 server IBM, I ended up paying 230 after shipping but atleast it has 2 gigs of RD-RAM 800mhz ECC. 4x512 that is worth its weight in gold since high quality rambus ram is so hard to fine these days. With out getting gouged. William > > > --- Robert Snyder wrote: > > > On 4/1/07, William Coulter wrote: > > > > > > I have a chance to buy a cheap server from Ebay. I don't do this > > > often. I have a choice of a > > > poweredge 1650 p3 1.4, a poweredge 1550 p3 1.3, and a poweredge 2450 > p3 > > > 933. What do you think? > > > I like the 1650 because it is the faster one but does it make a > difference > > > with the model type? > > > > > > > > You have a 50/50 chance fo them lasting. I have gotten some great deals > on > > rack mount servers, 2 SGI intel based servers that were really made by > > VALinux and a some dells and 2 X-Series IBM 1u racks. > > > > I have had some issues with some after about of year of heavy usage but > > others no problems at all. If the price is right and as long as you go > in > > not expecting them to last longer than what it takes for you to get yoru > cna > > you should be fine. > > > > I am studding for CNA and I don't have anything to use. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > William > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > > > Let Yahoo! 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On 4/7/07, William Coulter <wrcoulter30@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks for the info.  In the end it was not cheap enough but I did buy it.  I paid $370 for it and
$64 for shipping.  I did get the 1650 p3 1.4.  I am going to do a full round of tests when I get
it tuesday.
 
 
Little pricey  I have a1.4 server IBM, I ended up paying 230 after shipping but atleast it has 2 gigs of RD-RAM 800mhz ECC. 4x512 that is worth its weight in gold since high quality rambus ram is so hard to fine these days.  With out getting gouged.

William


--- Robert Snyder <robertsnyder@gmail.com > wrote:

> On 4/1/07, William Coulter <wrcoulter30@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a chance to buy a cheap server from Ebay.  I don't do this
> > often.  I have a choice of a
> > poweredge 1650 p3 1.4, a poweredge 1550 p3 1.3, and a poweredge 2450 p3
> > 933.  What do you think?
> > I like the 1650 because it is the faster one but does it make a difference
> > with the model type?
>
>
>
> You have a 50/50 chance fo them lasting.  I have gotten some great deals on
> rack mount servers,  2 SGI intel based servers that were really made by
> VALinux and a some dells and 2 X-Series IBM 1u racks.
>
> I have had some issues with some after about of year of heavy usage but
> others no problems at all.  If the price is right and as long as you go in
> not expecting them to last longer than what it takes for you to get yoru cna
> you should be fine.
>
> I am studding for CNA and I don't have anything to use.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > William
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________________________________
> > Finding fabulous fares is fun.
> > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and
> > hotel bargains.
> > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked
> > Knowledge Systems (NKS).  Views and opinions expressed in messages
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> > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.
> >
>




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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 08:54:18 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37CsIRo016422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:54:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37CsIdA016421 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:54:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37CsIoF016417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:54:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37CsHpK017616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:54:18 -0400 Received: from mx.mathey.org (mx.mathey.org [207.210.112.213]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37Cs4VP022514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:54:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA72A40F2 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:53:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from mx.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lt2wHGNChIbL for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from droid.mathey.org (208-216.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.187.216.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A973EA40F1 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D260B276FFE for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46179456.5020401@mathey.org> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:53:42 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: cheap server References: <284836.12333.qm@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <284836.12333.qm@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.479, required 6, AWL -0.27, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: > Thanks for the info. In the end it was not cheap enough but I did buy it. I paid $370 for it and > $64 for shipping. I did get the 1650 p3 1.4. I am going to do a full round of tests when I get > it tuesday. > > William > I'm probably being mean but.. Dell Poweredge Pentium®D 2.8GHz dual core 2x2mb cache, 1GB DDR2, TWO 80GB Hard Drives, 48x CD-ROM $468.99 Shipped http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=bsded1i&cs=04&dgvcode=ss&c=US&l=EN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 09:04:32 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37D4W5h016557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37D4WxL016556 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:32 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37D4VAo016552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37D4V3H018619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:31 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.136]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37D45Nd024237 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:05 -0400 Received: from rufus (24.171.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.171.24]) by ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l37D44cW006047 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200704071304.l37D44cW006047@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:04:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Thread-Index: Acd5Ha8DhWFnKhNiQIiQ0g1rrs6rxw== X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.723, required 6, AWL -0.39, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.72) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I needed to put a new video card in a HP ML350 G4 server. But the server only has a PCIe x8 slot and all the cards are PCIe x16. I found I could cut part of the connector off the card. Here's pictures. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1004&thread=22765607 Yes it worked. Runs SuSe 64-bit and XP 64 well. Ken Elliott ===================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 09:16:19 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DGJuZ016696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:16:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37DGJAL016695 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:16:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DGJtD016691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:16:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DGICV019703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:16:19 -0400 Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l37DG3KJ027929 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:16:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 10841 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2007 13:16:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xpXirMZXn4ythBZTP6GK0KX9Y1uANmmWO4cP5LsBhkzoxJHtfUGRYGarZQ+Qzv9+nRyoV1juoCVPblhmLy7ieXP1su1BZPr+YqpW025SCDSavqx9K3m28kP+PJVoBLMotGmLDITGKR9mMz4XxK7QUj2n1eCMbyrdEm0vToYuGUE=; X-YMail-OSG: WB9.BPIVM1lAkx7A95O1sh5TxWXIvvxzOK9hVpLGGzE8tAhyF_AdPVH_tKwkypQboivrqm3zEduxdgOPzcS11_tsT4sh0ywWGCPL4FPOC4GjJMWoyimdJKMbXMCvxQ-- Received: from [70.156.25.137] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:16:02 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:16:02 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: cheap server To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <46179456.5020401@mathey.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <704691.8291.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.901, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.90, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yes you are but mine is rack mount. I have the space for it. William --- Chris Mathey wrote: > I'm probably being mean but.. > Dell Poweredge Pentium®D 2.8GHz dual core 2x2mb cache, 1GB DDR2, TWO > 80GB Hard Drives, 48x CD-ROM > $468.99 Shipped > http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=bsded1i&cs=04&dgvcode=ss&c=US&l=EN ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 09:35:15 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DZFHq016826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:35:15 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37DZFjV016825 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:35:15 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DZEcl016821 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:35:15 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DZ62B021223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:35:14 -0400 Received: from web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.170]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l37DCjBL006978 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:12:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 37295 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2007 13:12:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FUHXBnvgqIMZqfkI/vTPPTVDu6jDbAuRgTdjnMH2hnfkQBMd2u91HsLU4W4At+hlFyeHENs/rXU3VcG+t33c9AdOBwZmmQYhqbC47Ek+Tn3ORvNzoLf0ibD3gKxKFGXVUXbW3mt0KozCEkTRFb+ajh906zePiYyvj9PmzmkkZiY=; X-YMail-OSG: uDKz9sEVM1n1e_sA3wcRYuUgW5XNY0ikxOutBNdQYG7wSVWN.e3Ede556VB3nWZ8Dq1f9pnB7jLaxDlSBllV4Qa9bdf6R2iSWNNUvhMvrMT0h6RyQZtZ_usXqBAfHQ-- Received: from [70.156.25.137] by web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:12:45 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] OT: cheap server To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <31f129860704070511s32fc54b4na2d77bac9c00be66@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <177474.37166.qm@web31007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Yeah, I am still thinking the same thing as well. I should have stopped at $250 but I got cought up in the frenzy to just buy it. It does have 1gig of ram and 73gigs of hard drive space. I hope that this justifies the higher cost. William --- Robert Snyder wrote: > On 4/7/07, William Coulter wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info. In the end it was not cheap enough but I did buy > > it. I paid $370 for it and > > $64 for shipping. I did get the 1650 p3 1.4. I am going to do a full > > round of tests when I get > > it tuesday. > > > > Little pricey I have a1.4 server IBM, I ended up paying 230 after shipping > but atleast it has 2 gigs of RD-RAM 800mhz ECC. 4x512 that is worth its > weight in gold since high quality rambus ram is so hard to fine these days. > With out getting gouged. > > William ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 09:46:26 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DkQSs016919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:46:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37DkQQZ016918 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:46:26 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DkPKp016913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:46:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DkPSB022097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:46:25 -0400 Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l37Djgk5020433 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:45:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 20231 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2007 13:45:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ylEDn4y3XBVi88y1D4aBbK2oB5P9Y7KCFIga4AhjP6ldWEAxPVdC3v4U7MhCfD6EcJjFeNJzc599y6UH84TMchR3883uEsfmvI1nNlNNNSHtcnV5un+Eua9mUlAmVG/tGyvCFbxs4EBAsRG15JPyXwSanad+0Bn2h/aYXv13LA8=; X-YMail-OSG: NyuIQncVM1nJ4uGFKp_oLKsRr3mzAyBBPNYGVxhQ5vcOVw3rcfcqn8ZUgxFUMBgLVaCYvUawgqrI8K0d3rFf.Kh8obxDvG2SR_jBLOnwt.YpyGu9Sqn7oSKmLbt4Cg-- Received: from [70.156.25.137] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:45:42 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <200704071304.l37D44cW006047@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <464086.19894.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.9, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.90) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Now that was cool. I would have returned it and bought somthing else. William --- Ken Elliott wrote: > I needed to put a new video card in a HP ML350 G4 server. But the server > only has a PCIe x8 slot and all the cards are PCIe x16. I found I could cut > part of the connector off the card. Here's pictures. > > http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1004&thread=22765607 > > Yes it worked. Runs SuSe 64-bit and XP 64 well. > > Ken Elliott > > ===================== > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 10:22:03 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37EM3N7017277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:22:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37EM3gL017276 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:22:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37EM2Xm017272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:22:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37EM1Bu025284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:22:02 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.134]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37DpNx1010119 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:51:23 -0400 Received: from rufus (24.171.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.171.24]) by ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l37DpLoC029544 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200704071351.l37DpLoC029544@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:51:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-reply-to: <464086.19894.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acd5G0h0N2LRaYVQR3if2Pym2oQIXQACJVfg X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.428, required 6, AWL -0.69, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.72) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> I would have returned it and bought somthing else. A client gave me the server in exchange for some consulting. I was thinking about selling it, since it's pretty loaded. OTOH, I got a powerful machine for $150 (video card). Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:46 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server Now that was cool. I would have returned it and bought somthing else. William ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 17:24:34 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37LOYpL020997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:24:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37LOY14020996 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:24:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37LOYrj020992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:24:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37LOXX7023317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:24:33 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37LNK2L027724 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:23:20 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070407212320.FTLL13459.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:23:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id kMPK1W0034g4wUs0000000; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 17:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4617A963.30906@cox.net> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:23:31 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server References: <200704071351.l37DpLoC029544@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200704071351.l37DpLoC029544@ms-smtp-04.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.309, required 6, AWL -0.13, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: >>> I would have returned it and bought somthing else. >>> > > A client gave me the server in exchange for some consulting. I was thinking > about selling it, since it's pretty loaded. > > OTOH, I got a powerful machine for $150 (video card). > > Ken Elliott > > > Now that was cool. I would have returned it and bought somthing else. > > William > > > I would have thought that was a hoax without the testimonial! Who would have thought that you could just go hacking away at complicated circuitry with a cutoff wheel and it would actually work?!?!? I mean, the concept makes sense, but wha?... --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 17:37:35 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37LbZjg021081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:35 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37LbZol021080 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:35 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37LbYN7021076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37LbXDF023813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:34 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.133]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37Lb4ti029833 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:05 -0400 Received: from rufus (24.171.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.171.24]) by ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l37Lb3qV010800 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200704072137.l37Lb3qV010800@ms-smtp-03.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:37:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-reply-to: <4617A963.30906@cox.net> Thread-Index: Acd5W1NO9xTSYhMqRrOTb2y6tn7SQwACSHkA X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.05, required 6, AWL -0.06, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.72) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>I would have thought that was a hoax without the testimonial! Who would have thought that you could just go hacking away at complicated circuitry with a cutoff wheel and it would actually work?!?!? I mean, the concept makes sense, but wha?... .... Well, PCIe is a serial bus. PCIe X16 is sixteen of those channels grouped together. So I figured I could cut off 8 of them and it might work. I know some of the early SLI motherboards would operate in 16-channel mode with one card, or split the channels with two cards. That suggests that the cards will operate in a 8 channel slot - if it would fit. So I ordered a card and took a chance. I would have preferred to get a 8 channel card, but I could only find 16 channel or single channel cards. 8 channel is slightly faster than AGP8x, so it was worth a shot. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of michael hast Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:24 AM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server Ken Elliott wrote: >>> I would have returned it and bought somthing else. >>> > > A client gave me the server in exchange for some consulting. I was > thinking about selling it, since it's pretty loaded. > > OTOH, I got a powerful machine for $150 (video card). > > Ken Elliott > > > Now that was cool. I would have returned it and bought somthing else. > > William > > > I would have thought that was a hoax without the testimonial! Who would have thought that you could just go hacking away at complicated circuitry with a cutoff wheel and it would actually work?!?!? I mean, the concept makes sense, but wha?... --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 18:44:24 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37MiNMW021664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:44:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37MiNjt021663 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:44:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37MiNcI021659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:44:23 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37MiJMQ027372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:44:23 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37MhvqQ001446 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:44:02 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-150-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.150.23]) by randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DE1EF024 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:43:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200704071304.l37D44cW006047@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200704071304.l37D44cW006047@ms-smtp-06.tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704071843.55672.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.278, required 6, AWL -0.04, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Saturday 07 April 2007 10:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > I needed to put a new video card in a HP ML350 G4 server. But the server > only has a PCIe x8 slot and all the cards are PCIe x16. I found I could > cut part of the connector off the card. Here's pictures. > How much research did you do before going ahead? -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 7 19:02:23 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37N2NUJ021869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:02:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l37N2Nia021868 for slug-track29; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:02:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37N2M98021864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:02:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37N2Mx8028686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:02:22 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l37N25L5030769 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:02:05 -0400 Received: from rufus (24.171.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.171.24]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l37N23cZ022468 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200704072302.l37N23cZ022468@ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:02:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-reply-to: <200704071843.55672.steve@szmidt.org> Thread-Index: Acd5Zn8jNIGFeqiPTACaYEMAgFqqaAAChrqw X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.957, required 6, AWL -0.16, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.72) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> How much research did you do before going ahead? Enough... I studied the PCI Express docs, and mother board specs, and it looked like it was likely. I discussed this with an nVidia graphics board engineer and he admitted that the graphics chip had the ability to run in 8 channel mode. He didn't like the idea of me cutting up the board, but said it was possible. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of steve szmidt Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 5:44 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Chopping Video card to fit server On Saturday 07 April 2007 10:04, Ken Elliott wrote: > I needed to put a new video card in a HP ML350 G4 server. But the > server only has a PCIe x8 slot and all the cards are PCIe x16. I > found I could cut part of the connector off the card. Here's pictures. > How much research did you do before going ahead? -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 8 11:18:47 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l38FIlhl030530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:18:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l38FIl6N030529 for slug-track29; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:18:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l38FIk9u030525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:18:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l38FIisx007608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:18:46 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.137]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l38FIPsg003271 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:18:25 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.96]) by bay0-omc2-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:18:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:18:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:18:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Debian Etch released today Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:18:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Apr 2007 15:18:24.0675 (UTC) FILETIME=[26B3DF30:01C779F1] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.854, required 6, AWL 0.30, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As of today there is a new stable version of Debian, Etch, which has been under development for almost two years. The press announcement: http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070408 CD/DVD images: http://www.debian.org/CD/ Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 9 00:56:46 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l394ukab005013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:56:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l394uk4B005012 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:56:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l394ujg3005003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:56:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l394uign009284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:56:44 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l394uRhp006139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:56:28 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50000 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HalvX-0004uU-71; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:56:27 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4296B56AAA; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:56:24 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20070409045624.4296B56AAA@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.684, required 6, AWL 0.24, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 10 April 19:00-21:00 Tampa (second Tuesday of each month) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 409 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 9 11:55:19 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39FtJdg011128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:55:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l39FtJA6011127 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:55:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39FtIvu011123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:55:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39FtA1g000922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:55:18 -0400 Received: from thalia.pomobuli.net (thalia.pomobuli.net [71.122.253.9]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39Fso3e017942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:54:51 -0400 Received: from corvus.pomobuli.net ([192.168.0.14] ident=don) by thalia.pomobuli.net with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HawCf-00026B-8n for slug@nks.net; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:54:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:54:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Hayward To: Suncoast Linux Users Group Subject: [SLUG] CRTs to take...... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Two CRTs free. The first might actually be of interest. Viewsonic P815 21" MultiSync. Large footprint, but a crisp image. The Second -- Zenith 14" flat screen vga (640x480). I'm in North Sarasota. Please respond off list if you're interested. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 9 12:08:20 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39G8Ke7011281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:08:20 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l39G8KVD011280 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:08:20 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39G8Jf6011276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:08:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39G8Iur002556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:08:19 -0400 Received: from enterprise.washpat.com (radicaledward.washpat.com [71.122.228.130]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39G7Pjx021269 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:07:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639AF22E34A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.10.69] (unknown [192.168.10.69]) by enterprise.washpat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2408522E1F4 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <461A64B8.8080604@washpat.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:07:20 -0400 From: Aaron Steimle User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Please help advocate open standards in Florida state IT References: <46153B33.2040709@roblimo.com> In-Reply-To: <46153B33.2040709@roblimo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.251, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I called Al Lawson, left a message. I called Bill Posey and talked with a staff member ( sorry didn't write down his name). First, the staff member I talked with was extremely nice and helpful. I didn't know anything about that particular bill but looked it up and explained to be about how things are added and removed. He also gave me the number of the "Senate Operations Governing committee"(SOGC) ( I am pretty sure that's what it was) he said this is where I would find out why the amendment was taken out. I call the SOGC and talked with Ray Wilson, another very helpful human. Wilson explained that the committee doesn't need a reason to reject any portion of a bill, which, I thought was a great democratic procedure for our constitutional representative democratic republic. So as we have it, our elected representatives do not have to explain to there constituents why they remove sections of bills that greatly effect us. But in this case, they did give an explanation. The clear and precise explanation for removing a " ..plan and a business case analysis for creation,exchange, and maintenance of documents by state agencies in an open format " in a bill "..which include defining architecture standards for information technology & developing strategic information technology plan..." was that it was outside the direction of the bill. This is a situation that validates the failure in our constitution and the degradation of political system. Lobbyist should not be allowed in government for a company that has a monopoly on a market. If Microsoft wants to have the governments use Microsoft products they should donate them to the government and get a tax write off for it. I should not have to pay taxes so government employees can use sub standard expensive software. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 9 13:39:38 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39HdcDm012121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:39:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l39Hdcon012120 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:39:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39Hdc1c012116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:39:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39HdbO6012539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:39:38 -0400 Received: from ns35.webmasters.com (ns35.webmasters.com [208.64.137.91]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l39HceOR006791 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:38:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 24325 invoked by uid 2527); 9 Apr 2007 17:37:44 -0000 Date: 9 Apr 2007 17:37:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20070409173744.24323.qmail@ns35.webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Please help advocate open standards in Florida state IT From: suncoastlug.mailbox@gibp.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=M_90825e890a0ffd8f430b15901aa5a3f9" X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM (suncoastlug.mailbox@gibp.com@71.101.158.247) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.361, required 6, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_21 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_51 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_53 0.60, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----=M_90825e890a0ffd8f430b15901aa5a3f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbyists Lobbyists are often powered by $. A resource that Microsoft has in abundance. Each county gov (and schoolboard) in Florida has a IT head honcho. I would think those honchos get their budgets squeezed on a regular basis. They should be recruited as lobbyists for open standards. Micro$oft's mo$t powerful weapon u$ed again$t Micro$oft? Imagine that! /robin (not Roblimo) ----=M_90825e890a0ffd8f430b15901aa5a3f9-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 9 18:08:25 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39M8OK0014551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:08:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l39M8OMI014550 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:08:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39M8Onk014546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:08:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39M8Ncx000964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:08:24 -0400 Received: from mail.tblc.org (exchange.tblc.org [64.128.136.84]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39M83Ps005896 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:08:03 -0400 X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: [SLUG] Does anyone recognize this file format and how to extract data from it? Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E2358529404275085@EXCHANGE.tblc.local> Thread-Topic: Does anyone recognize this file format and how to extract data from it? Thread-Index: Acd684cUaC35xidRR+6r/azWakDDqA== From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.077, required 6, autolearn=not spam, TW_XD 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id l39M8Onj014547 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've got data in a Sybase transaction-dump file and I'm not sure how to read it. I think the real data begins at 00003000, with "USTH". >From what I was able to Google, mt might have something to do with it, but when I try to use mt -f txn_sunline_MonApr0917.txn , I get "Inappropriate ioctl for device". So -- any ideas about how I can get the data out? Ben > hexdump -C txn_sunline_MonApr0917.txn | more 00000000 56 4f 4c 31 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 |VOL1 | 00000010 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 | | 00000020 20 20 20 20 30 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 | 0 | 00000030 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 | | 00000040 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 37 | 7| 00000050 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| * 00000800 48 44 52 31 73 75 6e 6c 69 6e 65 30 37 30 39 39 |HDR1sunline07099| 00000810 30 45 46 31 33 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 |0EF13...........| 00000820 01 00 00 00 00 30 30 30 31 30 30 20 30 37 30 39 |.....000100 0709| 00000830 39 20 30 37 30 39 39 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |9 07099 ........| 00000840 53 79 62 61 73 65 20 20 30 45 46 31 33 20 20 20 |Sybase 0EF13 | 00000850 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| * 00001000 48 44 52 32 46 00 01 00 00 20 30 32 30 34 38 30 |HDR2F.... 020480| 00001010 33 20 20 20 73 75 6e 6c 69 6e 65 20 20 20 20 20 |3 sunline | 00001020 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 | | 00001030 20 20 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 31 30 30 30 | 00000000001000| 00001040 30 32 35 36 30 33 20 20 20 30 30 30 30 30 30 32 |025603 0000002| 00001050 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| * 00001800 45 4f 46 31 73 75 6e 6c 69 6e 65 30 37 30 39 39 |EOF1sunline07099| 00001810 30 45 46 31 33 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 |0EF13...........| 00001820 01 00 00 00 00 30 30 30 31 30 30 20 30 37 30 39 |.....000100 0709| 00001830 39 20 30 37 30 39 39 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 0e 36 |9 07099 .......6| 00001840 53 79 62 61 73 65 20 20 30 45 46 31 33 20 20 20 |Sybase 0EF13 | 00001850 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| * 00002000 45 4f 46 32 46 00 01 00 00 20 30 32 30 34 38 30 |EOF2F.... 020480| 00002010 33 20 20 20 73 75 6e 6c 69 6e 65 20 20 20 20 20 |3 sunline | 00002020 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 | | 00002030 20 20 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 31 30 30 30 | 00000000001000| 00002040 30 32 35 36 30 33 20 20 20 30 30 30 30 30 30 32 |025603 0000002| 00002050 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| * 00002800 45 4f 46 33 56 4f 4c 31 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 |EOF3VOL1 | 00002810 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 37 20 20 20 20 20 20 | 7 | 00002820 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 6c 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 |.......l | 00002830 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 | | * 00002850 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| * 00003000 55 53 54 48 00 00 08 00 00 00 00 90 00 00 00 03 |USTH............| 00003010 00 00 00 64 00 af 00 05 00 00 00 2c 00 00 99 0b |...d.......,....| 00003020 01 18 2c 6b 00 1c ce ef 00 1c dd 2e 00 06 00 00 |..,k............| 00003030 00 00 99 0b 01 07 ae 37 00 00 99 0b 01 18 2b 58 |.......7......+X| 00003040 00 1c ce ef 00 11 00 00 00 1c dd 2e 00 00 14 9f |................| 00003050 00 00 00 66 00 00 00 08 00 00 00 03 00 00 00 00 |...f............| 00003060 14 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 04 00 0f a0 00 |................| 00003070 1c 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 03 00 1f 40 00 |..............@.| 00003080 15 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 03 00 2e e0 00 |................| 00003090 16 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 03 00 3e 80 00 |.............>..| 000030a0 17 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 03 00 4e 20 00 |.............N .| 000030b0 18 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 03 00 5d c0 00 |.............]..| 000030c0 19 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 03 00 6d 60 00 |.............m`.| 000030d0 1a 00 00 00 00 0f a0 00 00 00 00 00 00 0f 82 2f |.............../| ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 9 19:54:32 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39NsVc9015398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:54:32 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l39NsVid015397 for slug-track29; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:54:31 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39NsV7d015393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:54:31 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39NsVmC006814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:54:31 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39NsGJg028424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:54:16 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l39NsFcl023832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:54:16 -0400 Message-ID: <461AD227.4060407@blenke.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:54:15 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Does anyone recognize this file format and how to extract data from it? References: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E2358529404275085@EXCHANGE.tblc.local> In-Reply-To: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E2358529404275085@EXCHANGE.tblc.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.093, required 6, AWL -0.96, BAYES_50 0.00, SUBJ_HAS_SPACES 0.87) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ben Ostrowsky wrote: >I've got data in a Sybase transaction-dump file and I'm not sure how to >read it. I think the real data begins at 00003000, with "USTH". > >>From what I was able to Google, mt might have something to do with it, >but when I try to use mt -f txn_sunline_MonApr0917.txn , I >get "Inappropriate ioctl for device". > >So -- any ideas about how I can get the data out? > > The "right" way is to restore to a previous full Sybase backup and then restore the transaction dumps from that point on through to whatever time you want to have your data restored within Sybase. If you just happen to have one transaction dump file, that probably isn't going to do you a great deal of good. At best, you'll recover some data during the time window during which that transaction dump represents database updates. At worst, you'll get nothing but a bunch of temporary database changes that don't do you any good at all. You might try "strings" to pull out the ascii bits and see what exactly you have there (but you've already done a bit of this with your hexdumping). Any file formatting for that file is going to be Sybase proprietary. Good luck. - Ian C. Blenke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 10 09:54:19 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ADsJKN022954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:54:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ADsJsj022953 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:54:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ADsJbD022949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:54:19 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ADsIWi005792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:54:19 -0400 Received: from mail.tblc.org (exchange.tblc.org [64.128.136.84]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ADrvob003040 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:53:57 -0400 X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: [SLUG] =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_=5BSLUG=5D_Does_anyone_recognize_this_file_format_a?= =?us-ascii?Q?nd_how_to_extract_data_from_=09it=3F?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:53:51 -0400 Message-ID: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E23585294042750A0@EXCHANGE.tblc.local> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 In-Reply-To: <461AD227.4060407@blenke.com> Thread-Topic: [SLUG] Does anyone recognize this file format and how to extract data from it? Thread-Index: Acd7BBfERpPGY+egQkK7LUf3Auyv7gAcottQ References: <69FDF3BECCCBAB41ABBCD23E2358529404275085@EXCHANGE.tblc.local> <461AD227.4060407@blenke.com> From: Ben Ostrowsky To: slug@nks.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.78, required 6, AWL -1.81, BAYES_50 0.00, SUBJECT_ENCODED_TWICE 1.72, SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP 0.00, SUBJ_HAS_SPACES 0.87) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id l3ADsJbC022950 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > At worst, you'll get nothing but a bunch of > temporary database changes that don't do you any good at all. Actually, that's exactly what I want. *really big grin* See, I'm trying to develop loads of RSS feeds for the libraries who use our system. I want you to be able to get an RSS feed of "books about Free software", "things with Fergie as a contributor/author/performer", or even "movies on DVD recently added to the --- Public Library". So what I'd really like is to either queue all the incoming transaction statements or parse through a log file at regular intervals. Some things (like "items recently added") will be expired out of the list fairly often, but other things (like "books by Donald Knuth") will grow so slowly as to never trigger an expiration. If this explanation yields any additional thoughts from y'all, so much the better. :) Ben ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 10 14:14:14 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3AIEEoC025237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:14:14 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3AIEEAB025236 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:14:14 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3AIEDlL025232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:14:13 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3AIECwf024216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:14:13 -0400 Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3AICxbj016761 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:12:59 -0400 Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1571030ika for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=s8l84b/Smh9Wi/EtHjnbSZVuT2KlO+7/fW1qfU718bdoJfONtSChIj1EUfiyGQDfnAMF6ZxA27zWJnIbt8+nxa8Ci0kr+ISRfTD1nk9bSb506IPPJU929C+6Cbaz+vfxBdThYubOXbj6RbOC56q9jc5+5QVT2W/GlzHe1ILuiDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=UsEg++AL4ieLN9+fxkrVQUe0U6EvRfK4ZD8LRCsg/lqLY/FhVecIHwrWOEWZuAcJEqEb7w4d9oAeTzMLSFKY3ZR/6cXatIjQeP8MF5PxqkMphkWDRsgzTpr+vFz+xdY5vwk58DroQCXmdsX4cYxm6pD4Feb3xs+6ymXvuDsoZy4= Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr1127962hue.1176228777759; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.33.7 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4cfc16ef0704101112w66489e67r4923e986dfe94c20@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:12:57 -0400 From: "Mario Lombardo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Tampa Meeting in May MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2f4117ca3f4c0578 X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.006, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.01, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Thanks Wayne. We'll discuss this tonight... see what our options are. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wayne Pollock Date: Apr 10, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: [Fwd: SLUG Meeting in May] To: Paul M Foster Cc: Mario Lombardo , William Overstreet FYI -Wayne -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SLUG Meeting in May Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:58:26 -0400 From: Perry, Eve To: Pollock, Wayne Since classes end Monday 05/07/07, and don't start again until 05/09/07, we will be closed in the evening on 05/08/07 which I believe would be the next meeting for SLUG. Would you please pass on the campus is closed in the evening on that day. /Eve Perry/ /Supervisor, Computer Science Lab/ /Hillsborough Community College/ /813-253-7330/ // ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 10 20:20:52 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3B0KqIL028477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:20:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3B0Kqko028476 for slug-track29; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:20:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3B0KpuS028472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:20:51 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3B0KpRq014407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:20:51 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.201]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3B0KUKs021265 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:20:30 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.49.97]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:20:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:20:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.49.123 by by138fd.bay138.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:20:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [169.139.222.5] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4cfc16ef0704101112w66489e67r4923e986dfe94c20@mail.gmail.com> From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] Tampa Meeting in May Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:20:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 00:20:30.0118 (UTC) FILETIME=[36341C60:01C77BCF] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.449, required 6, AWL -1.00, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SARE_DIPLOMA2 0.90, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Mario Lombardo" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] Tampa Meeting in May >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:12:57 -0400 > >Thanks Wayne. We'll discuss this tonight... see what our options are. > It was decided tonight that the May 8 Tampa SLUG meeting will be held at Panera Bread, 112 Westshore Blvd at the usual time, 7 PM. Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ Can’t afford to quit your job? – Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in 1 year. http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866145&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866143 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 14 02:09:54 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3E69s2T004404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:09:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3E69sfj004403 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:09:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3E69r5j004399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:09:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3E69re8005589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:09:53 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3E69cGL026797 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 02:09:38 -0400 Received: from vms170.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.1.2]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGH006GH542TOCD@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:09:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 72.91.128.101 ([72.91.128.101]) by vms170.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:09:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:09:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] boot problems X-Originating-IP: [72.91.128.101] To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <25597749.7395961176530978144.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.028, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.03, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hi, I got a new motherboard (etc), so naturally I'm having teething problems. There was an IDE error for hdc (my DVD-R drive), which I got around by unpowering the optical drives. (Funny, System Rescue CD didn't have a problem booting from that drive. Now it hangs (or waits a VERY long time) in the boot sequence after it goes through /etc/init.d and prints the line: process `syslogd' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT Anybody have a clue what's in Ubuntu's boot sequence there, or know how to make everything verbose? One file I can do easily enough with "set -x". Even if I could pick and choose things to run, I could work it out by process of elimination. Once that's fixed, I'll work on eth0, X, ALSA, lm_sensors... -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 14 08:48:58 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ECmwu5007952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:48:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ECmw4h007951 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:48:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ECmw89007947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:48:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ECmvB0029849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:48:58 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.237]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ECdRHp001075 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:39:27 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.103]) by bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:39:26 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:39:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:39:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <25597749.7395961176530978144.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] boot problems Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 08:39:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2007 12:39:26.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[F00C8AE0:01C77E91] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.426, required 6, AWL -0.13, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: [SLUG] boot problems >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:09:38 -0500 (CDT) > >Hi, I got a new motherboard (etc), so naturally I'm >having teething problems. There was an IDE error for >hdc (my DVD-R drive), which I got around by unpowering >the optical drives. (Funny, System Rescue CD didn't >have a problem booting from that drive. > >Now it hangs (or waits a VERY long time) in the boot >sequence after it goes through /etc/init.d and prints >the line: > >process `syslogd' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT > >Anybody have a clue what's in Ubuntu's boot sequence >there, or know how to make everything verbose? One >file I can do easily enough with "set -x". Even if I >could pick and choose things to run, I could work it >out by process of elimination. > >Once that's fixed, I'll work on eth0, X, ALSA, >lm_sensors... Remove "quiet" and "splash" from the list of kernel options. You can do that temporarily at startup from the grub boot menu or permanently from /boot/grub/menu.lst. Also, I'm not sure what version of Ubuntu you are running but Feisty Fawn, the next version of Ubuntu, will be released in less than a week. It contains the latest kernel, Xorg, etc. and would probably work much better with brand new hardware. You could try it out with a live CD to check for compatibility if you're nervous about just upgrading the system. Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John.  Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 14 11:32:18 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3EFWH3h009377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:17 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3EFWHJ8009376 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3EFWHMb009372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3EFWGgB005613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:17 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3EFW0pZ001001 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:00 -0400 Received: from vms075.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.1.2]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGH00CHOV57A6A4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:31:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 72.91.128.101 ([72.91.128.101]) by vms075.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:31:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:31:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] boot problems X-Originating-IP: [72.91.128.101] To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <21186529.563291176564715359.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.092, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.09) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Jonathon Conte >Date: 2007/04/14 Sat AM 07:39:25 CDT >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: RE: [SLUG] boot problems >>From: Eben King >>Reply-To: slug@nks.net >>To: slug@nks.net >>Subject: [SLUG] boot problems >>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:09:38 -0500 (CDT) >> >>Now it hangs (or waits a VERY long time) in the boot >>sequence after it goes through /etc/init.d and prints >>the line: >> >>process `syslogd' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT >> >>Anybody have a clue what's in Ubuntu's boot sequence >>there, or know how to make everything verbose? One >>file I can do easily enough with "set -x". Even if I >>could pick and choose things to run, I could work it >>out by process of elimination. >Remove "quiet" and "splash" from the list of kernel options. You can do that >temporarily at startup from the grub boot menu or permanently from >/boot/grub/menu.lst. I use lilo, but same idea. I booted with the option "single", I think that replaces all the kernel options, not appends to them, right? If so, there would be no "quiet". There's definitely no "splash". >>Once that's fixed, I'll work on eth0, X, ALSA, >>lm_sensors... > >Also, I'm not sure what version of Ubuntu you are running but Feisty Fawn, >the next version of Ubuntu, will be released in less than a week. It >contains the latest kernel, Xorg, etc. and would probably work much better >with brand new hardware. You could try it out with a live CD to check for >compatibility if you're nervous about just upgrading the system. Yeah, I normally just fix problems as they occur (rolling my own kernel as required) and upgrade distros if the computer's irrevocably hosed, but I'll check that out. That is, once I have a computer with a net connection and a CD burner... I booted with "init=/bin/sh" and added "set -x" as the first non-comment line in /etc/profile, but saw nothing. Apparently it's before that, maybe somewhere in /etc/inittab. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.no-ip.org:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 14 17:59:23 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ELxNLf012558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ELxNgu012557 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:23 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ELxMus012553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ELxM3i029787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:22 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ELx4Xu023436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:04 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50230 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcqGt-0004ol-AH for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:03 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB19E56A91 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46214EA4.8050408@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:59:00 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] [Fwd: Help Linux Flourish] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.877, required 6, AWL 0.43, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: I'm forwarding this to you, as it was sent to me. I do *not* know if this is a legitimate effort. I leave that to you to decide. I'm just passing on the information. Paul -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Help Linux Flourish Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:14:18 -0400 From: Abe Osman Organization: Home To: (various, elided) Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their Linux Linux has been making tremendous progress and has become superior to Windows. Although it is steadily flourishing, it is still not wide spread like it should have and deserves. A group of guys have started organizing a marketing project to help Linux proliferate. You can find more information at the following site. http://tux500.com/ http://www.tux500.com/goal.php http://lobby4linux.com/ http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/198-Indy-500-and-Linux-Not-Newsworthy.html http://LXer.com This is the same approach that Mozilla Foundation used to publicize and advance FireFox and has proven to be effective and worth the effort in increasing its rate of adoption. If you fell this is not what you agree with, please do contribute whatever you can and make your suggestion how the fund to be used. There will be other programs that were (Linux bumper-sticker) or can be suggested to be initiated in the future. It is very important to grab this opportunity to participate to advance Linux usage. I apologize for having to send this message in mass e-mail, but we just wanted to make sure that all the LUGs are aware of this project and we really need the help of everyone. It is also important not to procrastinate since this is very novel effort and keep in mind that only Dollars will make a big difference. Please, feel free to pass this information on and forward this message to all your LUG members so everyone could participate and help make this project very successful. Sincerely, -Abe Osman -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Apr 14 20:24:50 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3F0OoTC013894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:24:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3F0OoVa013893 for slug-track29; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:24:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3F0OnS4013889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:24:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3F0OncG004770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:24:49 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3F0OQlJ018883 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:24:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.50] ([72.91.128.101]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGI006ZLJSA9062@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:24:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:24:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: RE: [SLUG] boot problems In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.101, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.10) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Jonathon Conte wrote: >> From: Eben King >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: slug@nks.net >> Subject: [SLUG] boot problems >> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:09:38 -0500 (CDT) >> >> Now it hangs (or waits a VERY long time) in the boot >> sequence after it goes through /etc/init.d and prints >> the line: >> >> process `syslogd' is using obsolete setsockopt SO_BSDCOMPAT >> >> Anybody have a clue what's in Ubuntu's boot sequence >> there, or know how to make everything verbose? One >> file I can do easily enough with "set -x". Even if I >> could pick and choose things to run, I could work it >> out by process of elimination. >> >> Once that's fixed, I'll work on eth0, X, ALSA, >> lm_sensors... > > Remove "quiet" and "splash" from the list of kernel options. You can do that > temporarily at startup from the grub boot menu or permanently from > /boot/grub/menu.lst. What I ended up doing was copying the kernel from "System Rescue CD 0.3.5 beta" and using that. It even supports the NIC, so that's good. Now I'm in the process of elimination of unneeded drivers, and modularization of everything I can. I hope I can get X up. Maybe use "nv" instead of "nvidia"... -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 15 17:16:43 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FLGhPL024861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:16:43 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3FLGhvv024860 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:16:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FLGhhw024856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:16:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FLGgLF013915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:16:43 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FLG5tu003980 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:16:05 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGK00ELH5Q8IHUD@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:15:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:15:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] kernel source X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: " : () Local version - append to kernel release [ ] Automatically append version information to the version string What else do I need to do? In the meantime, are there any other X drivers I could use until that's up, down to and including plain VGA? Framebufffer? 800x600 SVGAP? I tried "nv", but apparently the version I have doesn't support this GPU (Geforce 7600GS). How do I get a more recent one? I went to (a mirror of) x.org, but they don't have binaries and the source is in some system called "git". What do I do with that? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 15 18:43:46 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FMhkYh025566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:43:46 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3FMhkT0025565 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:43:46 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FMhjwP025561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:43:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FMhjX4018261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:43:45 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.80]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3FMhNZT029008 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:43:23 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.91]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:43:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:43:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:43:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: RE: [SLUG] kernel source Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:43:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 22:43:22.0869 (UTC) FILETIME=[78F53A50:01C77FAF] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.836, required 6, AWL 0.28, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: SLUG Mailing List >Subject: [SLUG] kernel source >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:15:41 -0400 (EDT) > > >In the meantime, are there any other X drivers I could use until that's up, >down to and including plain VGA? Framebufffer? 800x600 SVGAP? > >I tried "nv", but apparently the version I have doesn't support this GPU >(Geforce 7600GS). How do I get a more recent one? I went to (a mirror of) >x.org, but they don't have binaries and the source is in some system called >"git". What do I do with that? > Try using the "vesa" driver in Xorg.conf. Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i’m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 15 20:34:44 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0Yhah026551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3G0Yhod026550 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:43 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0YhQI026546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:43 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0Yhqd025505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:43 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0YGnO019433 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:16 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGK001HFEWTOG52@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:34:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: RE: [SLUG] kernel source In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.191, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.01, BAYES_40 -0.18) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Jonathon Conte wrote: >> From: Eben King >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: SLUG Mailing List >> Subject: [SLUG] kernel source >> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:15:41 -0400 (EDT) >> >> >> In the meantime, are there any other X drivers I could use until that's up, >> down to and including plain VGA? Framebufffer? 800x600 SVGAP? >> >> I tried "nv", but apparently the version I have doesn't support this GPU >> (Geforce 7600GS). How do I get a more recent one? I went to (a mirror of) >> x.org, but they don't have binaries and the source is in some system called >> "git". What do I do with that? >> > > Try using the "vesa" driver in Xorg.conf. Houston, we have X. Yay, TY. It's at 800x600. Is that as big as it goes? -- "Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century, which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as Poland." - from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 15 20:56:29 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0uTxS026706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:56:29 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3G0uTgB026705 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:56:29 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0uTTr026701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:56:29 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0uSSO027243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:56:28 -0400 Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.237]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G0u7rR015337 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:56:08 -0400 Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 38so3066567huc for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:56:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=k0sdjINXBpvkvwr2Ruj0DtAmcNFQ3YZJ1OS1UHbNveoRCj1bbBQ6XEpbQXpgUcME6cqrUuuJgWJqGu/E/kogXtGsf6ZAZKBtuvG4tlnwGLfAwIDoQTo9teihySlzV5lIZhSNQRza5bPgviwWTE8x6mNrKMJOdWHDlG3mQtCyl38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PdewgyluIEj751oSPOGQX9ED6Zj3FMaowyRsQTzvNcdjFfALLH5c/MHuX4FfLaU4dNUMCsI/m8LwpQISSf0TsyIOaGDwVeW+i2n6C6IiR5EdNVju/qL7wZjBEYsNSR4vPWIVcEIt7By8cjuVEfDh8O9+aU5eCttPueDsOkLFk4M= Received: by 10.114.46.1 with SMTP id t1mr8030wat.1176684964990; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.174.18 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570704151756n6027d983j17c8f77a48f1c994@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:56:04 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] SSH Hell.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.637, required 6, AWL 0.04, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am running into a problem that is getting more and more common, when I try to SSH into my equipment at home, I get failures, but the problem hap- pens only when I am at some hotel locations. I get the following message: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host I know that the far end is working just fine. I am wondering if the router at the hotel is messing with my SSH session? -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 15 21:21:18 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G1LIV4027007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:21:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3G1LIEj027006 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:21:18 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G1LIhi027002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:21:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G1LH9K028769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:21:17 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G1KtgL012545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:20:56 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50194 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdFtm-00088u-QB for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:20:54 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E5B56A91 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4622CF74.3040902@quillandmouse.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:20:52 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.77, required 6, AWL 0.32, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > I get a fatal error when I try to install the Nvidia driver. It says: > > ERROR: Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in > '/lib/modules/2.6.20.6/source'. > > I got the source from kernel.org and used it to compile the running > kernel. /lib/modules/2.6.20.6/source points to /usr/src/linux-2.6.20.6 > which contains: > > total 9.5M > 4.0K arch/ 8.0K fs/ 88K MAINTAINERS 4.0K scripts/ > 4.0K block/ 4.0K include/ 56K Makefile 4.0K security/ > 20K COPYING 4.0K init/ 4.0K mm/ 4.0K sound/ > 96K CREDITS 4.0K ipc/ 176K Module.symvers 1.1M System.map > 4.0K crypto/ 4.0K Kbuild 4.0K net/ 4.0K usr/ > 4.0K Documentation/ 4.0K kernel/ 20K README 7.9M vmlinux* > 4.0K drivers/ 8.0K lib/ 4.0K REPORTING-BUGS > > "make menuconfig" shows, in "General setup -->" : > () Local version - append to kernel release > [ ] Automatically append version information to the version string > > What else do I need to do? > > In the meantime, are there any other X drivers I could use until that's > up, down to and including plain VGA? Framebufffer? 800x600 SVGAP? > > I tried "nv", but apparently the version I have doesn't support this GPU > (Geforce 7600GS). How do I get a more recent one? I went to (a mirror > of) x.org, but they don't have binaries and the source is in some system > called "git". What do I do with that? > You go to the nvidia site (don't know the URL, off the top of my head). They have a page with Linux drivers (actually a single current driver for most all of their products). You download it and run it. It checks to see if you've got source for the kernel, etc. and offers to rebuild itself for your machine. Usually it's pretty smooth, but I've had problems recently with it. That's why I'm running the nv driver myself. My GPU is not one of the more exotic NVidia cards. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 15 23:38:42 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3cgwH028123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:38:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3G3cgC9028122 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:38:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3cfH9028118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:38:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3ca6Y003221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:38:41 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3cE6F025886 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:38:14 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-150-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.150.23]) by randymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE391859AD for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSH Hell.. Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:38:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <620c90570704151756n6027d983j17c8f77a48f1c994@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620c90570704151756n6027d983j17c8f77a48f1c994@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704152338.12025.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.487, required 6, AWL -0.57, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 15 April 2007 20:56, Chuck Hast wrote: > I am running into a problem that is getting more and more common, when I > try to SSH into my equipment at home, I get failures, but the problem hap- > pens only when I am at some hotel locations. I get the following message: > > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > I know that the far end is working just fine. I am wondering if the router > at the hotel is messing with my SSH session? You can turn on with -v or -vv to turn on debug. They may very well block all lower ports except 80, 25, 110 as some sort of unusual solution. Call someone who can sit on the other end and see your request arrive, or not. Then you'll see how it breaks. You can always specify a different port with -p (like 81, 2222 or whatever) for your remote access. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Apr 15 23:54:21 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3sLEY028248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3G3sLZL028247 for slug-track29; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3sK9r028243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3sKFv004018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:20 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G3ru3g027540 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:53:56 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGK00MWBO57L0K0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:53:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source In-reply-to: <4622CF74.3040902@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <4622CF74.3040902@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.134, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.13, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Paul M Foster wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> I get a fatal error when I try to install the Nvidia driver. It says: >> >> ERROR: Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in >> '/lib/modules/2.6.20.6/source'. >> >> I got the source from kernel.org and used it to compile the running kernel. >> /lib/modules/2.6.20.6/source points to /usr/src/linux-2.6.20.6 which >> contains: >> >> total 9.5M >> 4.0K arch/ 8.0K fs/ 88K MAINTAINERS 4.0K scripts/ >> 4.0K block/ 4.0K include/ 56K Makefile 4.0K security/ >> 20K COPYING 4.0K init/ 4.0K mm/ 4.0K sound/ >> 96K CREDITS 4.0K ipc/ 176K Module.symvers 1.1M System.map >> 4.0K crypto/ 4.0K Kbuild 4.0K net/ 4.0K usr/ >> 4.0K Documentation/ 4.0K kernel/ 20K README 7.9M vmlinux* >> 4.0K drivers/ 8.0K lib/ 4.0K REPORTING-BUGS >> >> "make menuconfig" shows, in "General setup -->" : >> () Local version - append to kernel release >> [ ] Automatically append version information to the version string >> >> What else do I need to do? >> >> In the meantime, are there any other X drivers I could use until that's up, >> down to and including plain VGA? Framebufffer? 800x600 SVGAP? >> >> I tried "nv", but apparently the version I have doesn't support this GPU >> (Geforce 7600GS). How do I get a more recent one? I went to (a mirror of) >> x.org, but they don't have binaries and the source is in some system called >> "git". What do I do with that? >> > > You go to the nvidia site (don't know the URL, off the top of my head). They > have a page with Linux drivers (actually a single current driver for most all > of their products). You download it and run it. And that brings me to paragraph 1. > That's why I'm running the nv driver myself. My GPU is not one of the more > exotic NVidia cards. That's great, but I don't see my GPU listed in nv's blurb in /var/log/Xorg.0.log when I use it. Where do I get a more recent version, or the source code thereto? Alternatively, maybe I missed it. Is "Geforce 7600GS" in yours, and what version of xorg do you have? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 SAGITTARIUS: All your friends are laughing behind your back... kill them. Take down all those naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine you've got hanging in your den. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 16 00:59:26 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G4xQnH028794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:59:26 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3G4xPZU028793 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:59:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G4xPcF028789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:59:25 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G4xPIw010783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:59:25 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G4x3bH022563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:59:03 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50694 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdJIs-00031x-38 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:59:02 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8D656A91 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46230293.5010800@quillandmouse.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:58:59 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source References: <4622CF74.3040902@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.73, required 6, AWL 1.42, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> Eben King wrote: >>> I get a fatal error when I try to install the Nvidia driver. It says: >>> >>> ERROR: Unable to determine the version of the kernel sources located in >>> '/lib/modules/2.6.20.6/source'. >>> >>> I got the source from kernel.org and used it to compile the running >>> kernel. /lib/modules/2.6.20.6/source points to >>> /usr/src/linux-2.6.20.6 which contains: >>> >>> total 9.5M >>> 4.0K arch/ 8.0K fs/ 88K MAINTAINERS 4.0K scripts/ >>> 4.0K block/ 4.0K include/ 56K Makefile 4.0K security/ >>> 20K COPYING 4.0K init/ 4.0K mm/ 4.0K sound/ >>> 96K CREDITS 4.0K ipc/ 176K Module.symvers 1.1M System.map >>> 4.0K crypto/ 4.0K Kbuild 4.0K net/ 4.0K usr/ >>> 4.0K Documentation/ 4.0K kernel/ 20K README 7.9M vmlinux* >>> 4.0K drivers/ 8.0K lib/ 4.0K REPORTING-BUGS >>> >>> "make menuconfig" shows, in "General setup -->" : >>> () Local version - append to kernel release >>> [ ] Automatically append version information to the version string >>> >>> What else do I need to do? >>> >>> In the meantime, are there any other X drivers I could use until >>> that's up, down to and including plain VGA? Framebufffer? 800x600 >>> SVGAP? >>> >>> I tried "nv", but apparently the version I have doesn't support this >>> GPU (Geforce 7600GS). How do I get a more recent one? I went to (a >>> mirror of) x.org, but they don't have binaries and the source is in >>> some system called "git". What do I do with that? >>> >> >> You go to the nvidia site (don't know the URL, off the top of my >> head). They have a page with Linux drivers (actually a single current >> driver for most all of their products). You download it and run it. > > And that brings me to paragraph 1. > >> That's why I'm running the nv driver myself. My GPU is not one of the >> more exotic NVidia cards. > > That's great, but I don't see my GPU listed in nv's blurb in > /var/log/Xorg.0.log when I use it. Where do I get a more recent > version, or the source code thereto? Alternatively, maybe I missed it. > Is "Geforce 7600GS" in yours, and what version of xorg do you have? > Oh I see, you want a newer version of the *nv* driver. Mine includes "GeForce 7600 GS" in my Xorg log file. According to the log, I'm running X 7.1.1, released 12 May 2006. I installed stock X and nv driver from Debian Sid some months ago. It looks (from aptitude) like I have installed the following relevant packages: xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:1.2.0-3 xserver-xorg 1:7.1.0-7 Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 16 01:04:37 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G54aMw028907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:04:36 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3G54auS028906 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:04:36 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G54Zno028897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:04:35 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G54Y2V011296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:04:34 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3G53tIb019069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:03:56 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50707 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdJNa-0003Me-RZ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:03:54 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C798156AAA; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:03:52 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20070416050352.C798156AAA@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.015, required 6, AWL 0.57, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* SARASOTA/BRADENTON *************************************** 17 April 18:00-21:00 Sarasota (third Tuesday of each month) New College Math Reading Room, HNS 106 5700 N. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 16 07:19:04 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3GBJ3Qk032395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:19:03 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3GBJ3Nw032394 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3GBJ31R032390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:19:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3GBJ2il003879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:19:03 -0400 Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.232]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3GBIhHN006453 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:18:43 -0400 Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b14so2078519qbc for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:18:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PLieH8+nljn1U8mzFFNsXTmInATbVuNiEddzeu8Z+Yvaz1CYJJoCYQFCsq/SgcUda40+bGfPxv3f3ItGDqVtBAB5wSumjPglQTAl4gbrmp+/Vy9A8rxYqu7qQ35TAbE1AUbZLBwtyNVDX2oBuQCnocGSA/kFxWC5tor84bi2rfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aijk4vyIVlCeWCOhHHv4unFDB2xiZG0V/61lV52C6LlUZbNQ7g9km2QY6uj0cKb9DjkjJnu6J25/QAauGtOKFyz9rLH+PftsNNeuW6Fi9wadBxXuW3Q6cyqs2xVzWdRsWCDLKLDw+qR6EfK+J9ZzHTimn5cw5N74q0x79HW6Bg0= Received: by 10.114.112.1 with SMTP id k1mr1855586wac.1176722322061; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.174.18 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <620c90570704160418se67055dq6ea383c2a1621c77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:18:36 -0400 From: "Chuck Hast" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] SSH Hell.. In-Reply-To: <200704152338.12025.steve@szmidt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <620c90570704151756n6027d983j17c8f77a48f1c994@mail.gmail.com> <200704152338.12025.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.951, required 6, AWL 0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On 4/15/07, steve szmidt wrote: > On Sunday 15 April 2007 20:56, Chuck Hast wrote: > > I am running into a problem that is getting more and more common, when I > > try to SSH into my equipment at home, I get failures, but the problem hap- > > pens only when I am at some hotel locations. I get the following message: > > > > ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host > > > > I know that the far end is working just fine. I am wondering if the router > > at the hotel is messing with my SSH session? > > You can turn on with -v or -vv to turn on debug. > > They may very well block all lower ports except 80, 25, 110 as some sort of > unusual solution. > > Call someone who can sit on the other end and see your request arrive, or not. > Then you'll see how it breaks. You can always specify a different port > with -p (like 81, 2222 or whatever) for your remote access. > I do, they are up at 32225, 32226 etc. -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 16 20:19:22 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H0JMew006692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:19:22 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3H0JM4O006691 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:19:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H0JMD1006687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:19:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H0JLJU019627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:19:21 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H0IeC5028030 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:18:40 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGM006908UUEWC2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:18:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:18:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source In-reply-to: <46230293.5010800@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <4622CF74.3040902@quillandmouse.com> <46230293.5010800@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.06, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.06, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Paul M Foster wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> >> That's great, but I don't see my GPU listed in nv's blurb in >> /var/log/Xorg.0.log when I use it. Where do I get a more recent version, >> or the source code thereto? Alternatively, maybe I missed it. Is "Geforce >> 7600GS" in yours, and what version of xorg do you have? > > Oh I see, you want a newer version of the *nv* driver. > > Mine includes "GeForce 7600 GS" in my Xorg log file. According to the log, > I'm running X 7.1.1, released 12 May 2006. I installed stock X and nv driver > from Debian Sid some months ago. > > It looks (from aptitude) like I have installed the following relevant > packages: > > xserver-xorg-video-nv 1:1.2.0-3 > xserver-xorg 1:7.1.0-7 That's a solution. Since I can't get "nvidia" to install, I'll go for "nv", which means I need to upgrade "nv". 1. Is a newer version available apart from X? if not, 2. How does one upgrade X? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Q: What kind of modem did Jimi Hendrix use? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 16 21:50:52 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H1oqB9007457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:50:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3H1oq5b007456 for slug-track29; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:50:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H1oqJ8007452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:50:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H1opH7025592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:50:52 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.233]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H1oNWD024788 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:50:24 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.105]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:50:23 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:50:23 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:50:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:50:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2007 01:50:23.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[C35D4A40:01C78092] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.201, required 6, AWL -0.35, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:18:30 -0400 (EDT) > >That's a solution. Since I can't get "nvidia" to install, I'll go for >"nv", which means I need to upgrade "nv". > >1. Is a newer version available apart from X? > >if not, 2. How does one upgrade X? > This is not to discourage you and I do _not_ speak from experience here but from what I've read X (especially since it has been modularized) is one of the toughest things, if not the hardest, to build. Apparently there is no clear documentation describing what versions of the different parts of X play nicely with each other. Check out the Xorg list archives for more info. Many X developers do not advise non-distro-packagers to attempt it. Just a heads up before you spend ages working on this. Feisty (which includes Xorg 7.2) is only an $(apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade) away. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 00:22:00 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4M0j7008810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:22:00 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3H4LxOB008809 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4LxeY008805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4LwQU002604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:58 -0400 Received: from smtp.ufl.edu (smtp01.osg.ufl.edu [128.227.74.149]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4LVln008522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.232] (adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net [74.245.140.197]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.ufl.edu (8.13.7/8.13.7/2.5.9) with ESMTP id l3H4LIMr827638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:30 -0400 Message-ID: <46244B3B.1080400@ufl.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:15 -0400 From: Eldo Varghese User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/20070415) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (smtp.ufl.edu [128.227.74.56]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:21:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests=, No X-UFL-Spam-Status: hits=0, required=5, tests= X-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-UFL-Scanned-By: CNS Open Systems Group (http://open-systems.ufl.edu/services/smtp-relay/) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.019, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_20 -0.74) Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > Feisty (which includes Xorg 7.2) is only an $(apt-get update && apt-get > dist-upgrade) away. guys for ubuntu please use the upgrade methods recommended here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - Eldo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 00:42:30 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4gURP008968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:42:30 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3H4gUBq008967 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:42:30 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4gUHD008963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:42:30 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4gTQ1004377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:42:30 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H4gBAT028894 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:42:11 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGM0096EL1RGKV2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:41:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.096, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.10) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Jonathon Conte wrote: >> From: Eben King >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: slug@nks.net >> Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source >> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:18:30 -0400 (EDT) >> >> That's a solution. Since I can't get "nvidia" to install, I'll go for >> "nv", which means I need to upgrade "nv". >> >> 1. Is a newer version available apart from X? >> >> if not, 2. How does one upgrade X? > > This is not to discourage you and I do _not_ speak from experience here but > from what I've read X (especially since it has been modularized) is one of > the toughest things, if not the hardest, to build. Sure. I tried (in vain) to do that once. It's a major PITA. I was hoping to do it via apt-get. > Feisty (which includes Xorg 7.2) is only an $(apt-get update && apt-get > dist-upgrade) away. Isn't there a way to upgrade _just_ xorg, so I can use its "nv" driver? What I really want is Nvidia's "nvidia" module, but "make ..." in the kernel source (from kernel.org, and the I made the running kernel from that sourca) doesn't create the magic file. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. Mencken ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 03:36:58 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H7awpQ010455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:36:58 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3H7awIj010454 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:36:58 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H7avGY010450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:36:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H7au0T014739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:36:56 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H7aavD007423 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:36:36 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.54.97]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:36:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:36:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.40.109.121 by by20fd.bay20.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:36:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:36:31 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2007 07:36:36.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[20DC6040:01C780C3] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.068, required 6, AWL -0.62, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: Eben King >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:41:51 -0400 (EDT) > >. . . >Isn't there a way to upgrade _just_ xorg, so I can use its "nv" driver? >What I really want is Nvidia's "nvidia" module, but "make ..." in the >kernel source (from kernel.org, and the I made the running kernel from that >sourca) doesn't create the magic file. >. . . The idea behind releases is that a given group of specific versions of packages are tested and (in theory) work together without problems. If you start backporting pieces of a release, especially major packages such as the kernel, X, or important libraries, you indirectly forfeit that assurance of stability and may inadvertently introduce incompatibilities. Many key system components tie in with X (every toolkit, the kernel, DRI, etc.) While it may be possible to upgrade just X, I really wouldn't recommend it. Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 04:21:12 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H8LClE011073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:21:12 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3H8LCRo011072 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:21:12 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H8LBma011068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:21:11 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H8LAJw017993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:21:11 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3H8JWTP025615 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:19:32 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGM000ZRV4CW401@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:19:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.137, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.14, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Jonathon Conte wrote: >> From: Eben King >> Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> To: slug@nks.net >> Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source >> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:41:51 -0400 (EDT) >> >> . . . >> Isn't there a way to upgrade _just_ xorg, so I can use its "nv" driver? >> What I really want is Nvidia's "nvidia" module, but "make ..." in the >> kernel source (from kernel.org, and the I made the running kernel from that >> sourca) doesn't create the magic file. >> . . . > > The idea behind releases is that a given group of specific versions of > packages are tested and (in theory) work together without problems. If you > start backporting pieces of a release, especially major packages such as the > kernel, X, or important libraries, you indirectly forfeit that assurance of > stability and may inadvertently introduce incompatibilities. Many key system > components tie in with X (every toolkit, the kernel, DRI, etc.) While it may > be possible to upgrade just X, I really wouldn't recommend it. NFW I'm going to upgrade everything because a video driver acts up. There must be a magic incantation to say to make "nvidia" install. I mean, AFAiK I'm doing everything right for it. I had it before I upgraded the kernel... -- The powers in charge keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not furnish the sums demanded. Yet these disasters seem never to have been quite real. -- D. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 06:11:57 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HABvhh012005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:11:57 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3HABvTG012004 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HABus2012000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:11:57 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HABuVK024901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:11:56 -0400 Received: from randymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-177.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HAAlDn000874 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:10:47 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-150-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.150.23]) by randymail-a7.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECED5B728A for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:10:45 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 06:10:44 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704170610.44190.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.495, required 6, AWL -0.56, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 17 April 2007 04:19, Eben King wrote: > NFW I'm going to upgrade everything because a video driver acts up. There > must be a magic incantation to say to make "nvidia" install. I mean, AFAiK > I'm doing everything right for it. I had it before I upgraded the > kernel... I've never upgraded everything to update the nvidia driver. The only problems has been to ensure kernel source existed for the driver recompile. With the latest generation of driver it is even easier to upgrade than ever. Try contacting nVidia and see what they say. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 07:52:24 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HBqOPH012918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:52:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3HBqOWN012917 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:52:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HBqNqK012913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:52:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HBqNVq030452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:52:23 -0400 Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HBpn2a031929 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:51:49 -0400 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070417115150.PEFJ16554.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:51:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([68.97.91.216]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id oBro1W00N4g4wUs0000000; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:51:48 -0400 Message-ID: <46245280.2000108@cox.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:52:16 +0000 From: michael hast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source References: <200704170610.44190.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200704170610.44190.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.984, required 6, AWL -0.46, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 0.83, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 04:19, Eben King wrote: > > >> NFW I'm going to upgrade everything because a video driver acts up. There >> must be a magic incantation to say to make "nvidia" install. I mean, AFAiK >> I'm doing everything right for it. I had it before I upgraded the >> kernel... >> > > I've never upgraded everything to update the nvidia driver. The only problems > has been to ensure kernel source existed for the driver recompile. > > With the latest generation of driver it is even easier to upgrade than ever. > Try contacting nVidia and see what they say. > > Tell you the truth, I haven't been paying very close attention to this thread, so I feel like I'm coming in half way through it. Are you using the binary driver? If so, nvidia warns that you may have to tweak your installation of the drivers on a kernel upgrade. I forget what they call it, but the module or whatever it is that links the driver to the kernel headers or whatever needs to match the version of the kernel and the version of the driver. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the binary package? As long as you have the correct kernel headers and source installed, the nvidia driver installer should be able to find what it needs to compile everything else. That's the only way I've been able to get mine to install anyway. If this doesn't apply to your problem, please disregard. --Michael ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 12:34:40 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGYeHB015372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:34:40 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3HGYeKB015371 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:34:40 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGYdK6015367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:34:40 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGYdQ5015255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:34:39 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGXAtK023460 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:33:10 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGN009WAHZ6EOB8@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:33:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:33:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source In-reply-to: <46245280.2000108@cox.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200704170610.44190.steve@szmidt.org> <46245280.2000108@cox.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.162, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.16, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, michael hast wrote: > steve szmidt wrote: >> On Tuesday 17 April 2007 04:19, Eben King wrote: >> >>> NFW I'm going to upgrade everything because a video driver acts up. >>> There must be a magic incantation to say to make "nvidia" install. I >>> mean, AFAiK I'm doing everything right for it. I had it before I >>> upgraded the kernel... >> >> I've never upgraded everything to update the nvidia driver. The only >> problems has been to ensure kernel source existed for the driver recompile. >> >> With the latest generation of driver it is even easier to upgrade than >> ever. Try contacting nVidia and see what they say. I guess I'll have to do that. > Tell you the truth, I haven't been paying very close attention to this > thread, so I feel like I'm coming in half way through it. Are you using the > binary driver? Yes. > If so, nvidia warns that you may have to tweak your installation of the > drivers on a kernel upgrade. I read about a change that had to be made for 2.6.19 -- NVIDIA*.run --extract-only, change the name of a .h file in the source then install. Thinking it was the same for 2.6.20, I tried it but it didn't work either. Maybe they changed it again. Cryin' shame they haven't eliminated manual tweaking necessity. > I forget what they call it, but the module or whatever it is that links > the driver to the kernel headers or whatever needs to match the version of > the kernel and the version of the driver. Yeah. In the past the .run file has had to compile one just for me. > Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling the binary package? What do you mean "uninstall"? I just downloaded it from nvidia.com . > As long as you have the correct kernel headers and source installed, Source is from kernel.org, kernel's from that source. > the nvidia driver installer should be able to find what it needs to > compile everything else. I thought so too. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 12:39:28 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGdSCV015416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:39:28 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3HGdSva015415 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:39:28 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGdRsa015411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:39:27 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGdRxf015468 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:39:27 -0400 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HGcZ8s003329 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:38:35 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGN00BWNI6P8474@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:37:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:37:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] kernel source In-reply-to: <200704170610.44190.steve@szmidt.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200704170610.44190.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.965, required 6, AWL 0.63, BAYES_00 -2.60, MANGLED_SIDE 1.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, steve szmidt wrote: > On Tuesday 17 April 2007 04:19, Eben King wrote: > >> NFW I'm going to upgrade everything because a video driver acts up. There >> must be a magic incantation to say to make "nvidia" install. I mean, AFAiK >> I'm doing everything right for it. I had it before I upgraded the >> kernel... > > I've never upgraded everything to update the nvidia driver. Didn't upgrade for that. Upgraded to get support for the motherboard's IDE controllers in the kernel. > The only problems has been to ensure kernel source existed for the driver > recompile. Before, there was no precompiled modules (duh, I rolled my own), so it compiled from source. > With the latest generation of driver it is even easier to upgrade than > ever. Try contacting nVidia and see what they say. I guess I'll do that. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 14:58:50 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HIwotx016597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:58:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3HIwoIF016596 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:58:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HIwnAA016592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:58:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HIwnRh023646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:58:49 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-81.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HIwHZb003290 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:58:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (653291hfc245.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.91.245]) by postalmail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650EE4BF9E for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:59:08 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: SLUG Subject: [SLUG] Installing nvidia drivers the debian/ubuntu way Message-ID: <20070417185908.GA8370@saga.asgard> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-By: Sat Apr 14 14:52:44 EDT 2007 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 14:52:44 up 25 min, 1 user, load average: 0.59, 0.32, 0.26 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.535, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, TW_KP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net aptitude install $DEBIAN_KERNEL # or build a kernel using make-kpkg aptitude install build-essential module-assistant module-assistant auto-install nvidia # This usually only fails when module assistant cannot determine your # kernel version. Provided you install a debian kernel, this should not # happen. If you use make-kpkg, it is possible. # if you install a kernel without debianizing it, then apt/etc will not # know about it. # This should apply to ubuntu as well. -- Hearts will never be practical until they can be made unbreakable. -- The Wizard of Oz - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 17 15:45:05 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HJj5I0017037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:45:05 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3HJj5nP017036 for slug-track29; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:45:05 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HJj5uP017032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:45:05 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HJj5Om026220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:45:05 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3HJihfh023988 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:44:43 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGN00ANCQU6EID0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:44:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:44:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Installing nvidia drivers the debian/ubuntu way In-reply-to: <20070417185908.GA8370@saga.asgard> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.014, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.06, BAYES_50 0.00, TW_KP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > aptitude install $DEBIAN_KERNEL > # or build a kernel using make-kpkg > aptitude install build-essential module-assistant > module-assistant auto-install nvidia > > # This usually only fails when module assistant cannot determine your > # kernel version. Provided you install a debian kernel, this should not > # happen. If you use make-kpkg, it is possible. > # if you install a kernel without debianizing it, then apt/etc will not > # know about it. > # This should apply to ubuntu as well. Fine. Thousands of people _don't_ do it that way and it works. Heck, I used to do it the standard Nvidia way, and the only thing different between then and now is the GPU (still supported) and the kernel version (up 0.0.5). It's even the same version of the driver. My kernel is down to 1.1M, simply by taking out unneeded drivers in which one day a bug may have been tickled. So what does the Nvidia driver actually require? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 18 14:01:51 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3II1oPZ028774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3II1o16028773 for slug-track29; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3II1oYC028768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:50 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3II1nOZ005503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:49 -0400 Received: from postalmail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-119.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3II12dD027663 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (653291hfc245.tampabay.res.rr.com [65.32.91.245]) by postalmail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9472B4C022; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:01:05 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: Eben King Cc: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Installing nvidia drivers the debian/ubuntu way Message-ID: <20070418180105.GA13667@njord> Mail-Followup-To: Eben King , SLUG References: <20070417185908.GA8370@saga.asgard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Reply-By: Sun Apr 15 13:26:27 EDT 2007 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Uptime: 13:26:27 up 16:13, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 X-Relgion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.267, required 6, AWL -0.27, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, TW_KP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Eben King on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 at 03:44PM -0400: > Fine. Thousands of people _don't_ do it that way and it works. Heck, I > used to do it the standard Nvidia way, and the only thing different between > then and now is the GPU (still supported) and the kernel version (up > 0.0.5). It's even the same version of the driver. My kernel is down to > 1.1M, simply by taking out unneeded drivers in which one day a bug may have > been tickled. So what does the Nvidia driver actually require? > To use a custom compiled kernel, you just have to run 'make-kpkg kernel_image' instead of 'make' in the kernel source dir. This should be enough for module-assistant to tell the nvidia driver where the kernel headers are. I don't know what modules nvidia needs, but module-assistant auto-install will complain when they're not there. It is perilous to go outside of one's package management system. On another note: I used to remove all "unneeded" drivers from my kernels (and I still used module-assistant for nvidia and ndiswrapper). Eventually, I got tired of getting new hardware devices and having them not work. It's also very nice to buy an entirely new computer, swap harddrives, and have everything just boot and work. (Except for perhaps modprobing an ethernet driver.) I've never successfully installed nvidia drivers using the non-package-managed way. I've tried dozens of times, but it always breaks... 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 19 00:10:42 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4Ag2P001545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:42 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3J4AgSu001544 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:42 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4AfWp001540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:41 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4AenT003247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:41 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4A48x021413 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:05 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (6-194.186-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.186.194.6]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3J4A37i005519 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:10:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Flightgear for Linux Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:13:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704190013.11655.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.722, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28, BAYES_60 1.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Has anybody used the Flightgear flight sim in Linux? It is available in the synaptic package manager for Simply Mepis 6.5.00. In Linux or Unix it is possible to slave two computers to a master to generate the side cockpit window views. Has anybody done this? They are trying to get this working at the Sun N Fun workshops this week. Alex at Sun N Fun did have some old Unix experience but didn't know about current Linux. I did burn a copy of Simply Mepis 6.5.00 which got him started. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 19 00:55:59 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4txMb001907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3J4txVV001906 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4twYq001902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4twHu007207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:58 -0400 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J4tELo007753 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:14 -0400 Received: from pc ([72.91.128.101]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGQ00J7RAZTS716@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:55:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flightgear for Linux In-reply-to: <200704190013.11655.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.13, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.13, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Richard Smoot wrote: > Has anybody used the Flightgear flight sim in Linux? Yes, but not very much, since I don't have a decent joystick and playing with the keyboard sucks rocks. > It is available in the synaptic package manager for Simply Mepis 6.5.00. > In Linux or Unix it is possible to slave two computers to a master to generate > the side cockpit window views. Has anybody done this? No. Nifty. Can you use one fast one with a multi-headed video card? > They are trying to get this working at the Sun N Fun workshops this week. > Alex at Sun N Fun did have some old Unix experience but didn't know about > current Linux. I did burn a copy of Simply Mepis 6.5.00 which got him started. Hard to say how difficult it is since I don't have (a) FG installed any more (though that can be fixed), (b) a decent joystick (though that's not important for testing), or (c) another computer to act as the slave. Wish I could be more help. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 This message was created using recycled electrons. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 19 02:00:19 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J60Ju0002521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:00:19 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3J60JVL002520 for slug-track29; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:00:19 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J60IrE002516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:00:18 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J60Hnv010560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:00:18 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.135]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3J5xiwE005720 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:59:44 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (6-194.186-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.186.194.6]) by ms-smtp-05.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3J5xgfR027284 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Smoot To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Flightgear for Linux Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:02:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200704190013.11655.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704190202.52570.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.315, required 6, AWL -0.69, BAYES_80 2.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thursday 19 April 2007 00:55, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Richard Smoot wrote: > > Has anybody used the Flightgear flight sim in Linux? > > Yes, but not very much, since I don't have a decent joystick and playing > with the keyboard sucks rocks. > > > It is available in the synaptic package manager for Simply Mepis 6.5.00. > > In Linux or Unix it is possible to slave two computers to a master to > > generate the side cockpit window views. Has anybody done this? > > No. Nifty. Can you use one fast one with a multi-headed video card? They want to have 3 display windows for a full cockpit view. Richard Smoot > > > They are trying to get this working at the Sun N Fun workshops this week. > > Alex at Sun N Fun did have some old Unix experience but didn't know about > > current Linux. I did burn a copy of Simply Mepis 6.5.00 which got him > > started. > > Hard to say how difficult it is since I don't have (a) FG installed any > more (though that can be fixed), (b) a decent joystick (though that's not > important for testing), or (c) another computer to act as the slave. Wish > I could be more help. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 23 01:21:01 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3N5L06W019738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:21:01 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3N5L0sr019737 for slug-track29; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:21:00 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3N5KxZV019728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:20:59 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3N5Kvdc026500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:20:57 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3N5KQTC031470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:20:26 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50043 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HfqyN-0001HA-Py; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 01:20:24 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 66AB656AAA; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:25:37 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20070423042537.66AB656AAA@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 00:25:37 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.997, required 6, AWL 0.55, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* DUNEDIN ************************************************** 28 April 10:00-12:00 Dunedin (usually fourth Saturday of each month) Dunedin Public Library Community Room A or B (see notice on site) Dunedin, FL See http://www.suncoastlug.org/meetings.html#dunedin for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 08:59:04 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OCx4CF003922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:59:04 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3OCx4qo003921 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:59:04 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OCx3jU003917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:59:03 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OCwqCq009009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:59:03 -0400 Received: from web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.69]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l3OC1RR6029330 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:01:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 54371 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 12:01:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F2lE5MCptY4dvmdtJxN4ELkXZFZLHGBLFgxA4Pa2RZ7srWquCZnvNYGxPqQQ68jXPVi0q+DXxwfHh78GSrHzcUjJQNjqKUWFc8x9lGy6vDoQmXnjLtdPtk6r1zq0/53TMlEaNZ+S0QCMLz8s/rxtlZzw7KxwMBrQ2vkWUus4EAs=; X-YMail-OSG: I2l_mIcVM1l5uwrQvaqsOozserF01QrgZJPTis.q01HIwmjdC4X20RzEKFLJYjFcEad4uRiuhOfYNUWmrzpaJD.U_FpsW0KoqDnmImvil_XB1WPxdfQimoV4cMhOWg-- Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:01:26 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:01:26 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: [SLUG] checking in To: FL Lug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <125431.53765.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.034, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.03, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I haven't seen a new posting since wednesday of last week. I was checking to see if everyone is all right. William __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 09:44:21 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ODiLgi004365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:44:21 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ODiLM3004364 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:44:21 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ODiK8E004360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:44:20 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ODiJCf013231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:44:20 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ODhlma021766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:43:47 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50547 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgLJ4-0001OV-Sz for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:43:46 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7912056A91 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462E0990.8050806@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:43:44 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] checking in References: <125431.53765.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <125431.53765.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.159, required 6, AWL 0.71, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: > I haven't seen a new posting since wednesday of last week. I was checking to see if everyone is > all right. > I think they all left. ;-} Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 10:01:47 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OE1lpO004571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:47 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3OE1lPK004570 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:47 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OE1kQm004566 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:46 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OE1j7Y014902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:45 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.227]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OE1APb020010 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:10 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z6so1774973nzd for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:01:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D6Evo3I1EGkkZASUi5jJ84LM+T+61waUQ6PzBHI9FnUjNFTkJm0psn1aHXJNelRxCGkiJLbGfKd0tEvETz1xqOopmm9v02UxURIhdxtJXSwcQ/plczrn4MwvvM71bWFKfou9gbdEe5f29LesNXWDHjPFOcTflgqLGOA9CHenoH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kXY+Svj5/fED1e5oyWCsWxG4VM0lKMTgJLUs9SAlf4JyflFQs+4thO3/Wtfb7BtqKKvpUib6RJ0o7ipQi65U4nRtjk12sl99Hhj+TjB96NHNEFP15NVMMSiIvgsPiD5Brdq4ob17kLGUSaqhlwmRiN+l7cDVrMP2NkpGeR5vasY= Received: by 10.114.94.1 with SMTP id r1mr197158wab.1177423269765; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.95.5 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:09 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] checking in In-Reply-To: <462E0990.8050806@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <125431.53765.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <462E0990.8050806@quillandmouse.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.898, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.70, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net were here On 4/24/07, Paul M Foster wrote: > William Coulter wrote: > > > I haven't seen a new posting since wednesday of last week. I was checking to see if everyone is > > all right. > > > > I think they all left. ;-} > > Paul > > -- > Paul M. Foster > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 12:34:23 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OGYNqa005889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:34:23 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3OGYMjr005888 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OGYMTQ005884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OGYKBE027213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:34:21 -0400 Received: from web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.165]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id l3OGXk12016875 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:33:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 66275 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 16:33:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ApjsnVx32XFJx404SmemAgp+SuoMmZu/h65j6l/VB5+QyUwjTFuOQm0xnt6FaWUOhQ7cuL99kcvL6kSawlHICEl2TsXcvj1VEkbqzGzQOcY0diD3U3Pv6WjYhzj626PgjStT9pp28GzjsCferPJ687F9tcAJ/o+0QkXDWmCL0uA=; X-YMail-OSG: Te2KdjAVM1km1tPsPxCrFLxXmTyB3wlP60r2OWXbk1OOsFPl3qJJfsKdQwYKaiIO.y9utJ1.oAVc0ivraKRqOJ8KI6h.4vtmXN4Oy5.HCH4Qg0lHd4Rc2kDUN_hY6g-- Received: from [66.21.90.195] by web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:33:41 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:33:41 -0700 (PDT) From: William Coulter Subject: Re: [SLUG] checking in To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <988181.65477.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.555, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.18, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I am glad that to see that yall are still alive. --- chris lee wrote: > were here > > On 4/24/07, Paul M Foster wrote: > > William Coulter wrote: > > > > > I haven't seen a new posting since wednesday of last week. I was checking to see if > everyone is > > > all right. > > > > > > > I think they all left. ;-} > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Paul M. Foster __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 17:14:25 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OLEOMi008307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:14:24 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3OLEOn4008306 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:14:24 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OLEOWU008302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:14:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OLEMP4013958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:14:23 -0400 Received: from randymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-119.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OLE8vg009100 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:14:08 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-150-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.150.23]) by randymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BD21859E7 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] checking in Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:13:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <125431.53765.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <125431.53765.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704241713.56990.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.451, required 6, AWL -0.61, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 24 April 2007 08:01, William Coulter wrote: > I haven't seen a new posting since wednesday of last week. I was checking > to see if everyone is all right. > > William I thought this was the SLUG holiday! -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 17:23:27 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OLNRW6008447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:27 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3OLNRmx008446 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:27 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OLNQ6J008442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:26 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OLNMMf014583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:23:26 -0400 Received: from mx.mathey.org (mx.mathey.org [207.210.112.213]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OK5mb3032153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:05:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C7EA42FF for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from mx.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z+VNiHShqwnm for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from droid.mathey.org (208-216.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.187.216.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EAAA42FB for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1AA2770DB for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462E6300.7020904@mathey.org> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:05:20 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] checking in References: <988181.65477.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <988181.65477.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.982, required 6, AWL 0.87, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net William Coulter wrote: > I am glad that to see that yall are still alive. > > > --- chris lee wrote: > >> were here >> >> On 4/24/07, Paul M Foster wrote: >>> William Coulter wrote: >>> >>>> I haven't seen a new posting since wednesday of last week. I was checking to see if >> everyone is >>>> all right. >>>> >>> I think they all left. ;-} Yup, Linux is so incredible everyone has had 0 issues all week. ;) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 18:35:38 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OMZcNh009064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:35:38 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3OMZctj009063 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:35:38 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OMZcFU009059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:35:38 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OMZa3o019343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:35:36 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.228]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3OMZHRw002753 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:35:18 -0400 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id z6so5840nzd for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:35:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T7cwjEikWcxSNsCjUOrixH78ilXLg0XY/cjARk2FsOl7VCjKz2mF2HoG7+Yc9J6yU/1laKIt/KuyJNaHq3ynE/MCFqibFFrMgdRTDTlPhyKA/WzEdtPkI4BXxOl5snNMcnxY0uT0tFHYv0IMZ8IzVieyn6iLVXew/Ke144FITmM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A8GzMa2vI9zL71DJ812DAT0dAzs7FxyxbkdYLou56gnOi8fEEqeqHtKLnufqc22yeMm0mjP0IhCvamnbQtmQ6ULSkvlALdqh7pEyrYdNaZeDoJWSjdYA3tiULOWhYHfxCtjHoLfVk9VrWU7yXEnqkxmZ+hd7UZgkcjGgA5CfC/s= Received: by 10.115.49.16 with SMTP id b16mr3474527wak.1177454116570; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.95.5 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:35:16 -0400 From: "chris lee" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] checking in In-Reply-To: <462E6300.7020904@mathey.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <988181.65477.qm@web31002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <462E6300.7020904@mathey.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.26, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net im dealing with some flak from the v-tech shooting at the moment, ill more than likely be absent for some time. On 4/24/07, Chris Mathey wrote: > William Coulter wrote: > > I am glad that to see that yall are still alive. > > > > > > --- chris lee wrote: > > > >> were here > >> > >> On 4/24/07, Paul M Foster wrote: > >>> William Coulter wrote: > >>> > >>>> I haven't seen a new posting since wednesday of last week. I was checking to see if > >> everyone is > >>>> all right. > >>>> > >>> I think they all left. ;-} > > Yup, Linux is so incredible everyone has had 0 issues all week. ;) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 19:02:18 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ON2HVI009318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:18 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ON2Hl9009317 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:17 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ON2HIN009313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:17 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ON2Ggj021246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:17 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ON26PJ022972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:07 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50677 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgU1O-00036E-LI for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:06 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA7556A91 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:02:03 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Monitor issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.928, required 6, AWL 0.48, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Folks: This is a shot in the dark, but I'll try anyway. My wife's ViewSonic VP series (professional, flat panel) monitor died over the weekend, so we went and picked up a ViewSonic VX922 monitor (also flat panel) so she could continue working. Since we do print work, the trueness of monitor color is important. The VP monitor was expensive and featured its own color calibration built in. For the VX922, we had to buy color calibration software. (All this is while we await the old monitor's repair by ViewSonic.) Both monitors feature a DVI interface. The problem is this: either when the monitor was hooked up, or after it was calibrated (we don't recall), on certain solid backgrounds, it has "scintillations"-- little flashing pixels in random patterns over a small area. Almost like TV static, but not quite so extensive. The color of the background on which this will appear is not consistent (not always blue or black or white or whatever). It's more annoying than anything else, but it still shouldn't be happening. Does anyone know enough about color calibration software or video hardware to say whether this is a hardware or software issue? And if so, what's the cause? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 19:24:54 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONOsNc009532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:54 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ONOs6s009531 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:54 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONOsWX009527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:54 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONOleK022767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:47 -0400 Received: from mx.mathey.org (mx.mathey.org [207.210.112.213]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONOT5e021091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D2FA42E8 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from mx.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4MuvjUTqRprx for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from droid.mathey.org (208-216.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com [72.187.216.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F81A42D3 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.1.1.50] (hashistation.mathey.org [10.1.1.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by droid.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655F22770F0 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462E91A4.5080306@mathey.org> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:24:20 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monitor issue References: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.594, required 6, AWL -0.15, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul M Foster wrote: > Folks: > > This is a shot in the dark, but I'll try anyway. > > My wife's ViewSonic VP series (professional, flat panel) monitor died > over the weekend, so we went and picked up a ViewSonic VX922 monitor > (also flat panel) so she could continue working. Since we do print work, > the trueness of monitor color is important. The VP monitor was expensive > and featured its own color calibration built in. For the VX922, we had > to buy color calibration software. (All this is while we await the old > monitor's repair by ViewSonic.) Both monitors feature a DVI interface. > > The problem is this: either when the monitor was hooked up, or after it > was calibrated (we don't recall), on certain solid backgrounds, it has > "scintillations"-- little flashing pixels in random patterns over a > small area. Almost like TV static, but not quite so extensive. The color > of the background on which this will appear is not consistent (not > always blue or black or white or whatever). It's more annoying than > anything else, but it still shouldn't be happening. > > Does anyone know enough about color calibration software or video > hardware to say whether this is a hardware or software issue? And if so, > what's the cause? > > Paul > Shot in the dark here as well... 1. Are your "scintillations" isolated to a specific area on the monitor? 2. Do they disappear in different applications? (I have seen similar problems with video ram corruption playing games, mostly due to overclocking) 3. Can you isolate by trying to replicate the problem on another computer? 4. I'm sure the monitor has dual inputs, can you try the other? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 19:33:02 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONX2Xi009594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:33:02 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ONX2QR009593 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:33:02 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONX1GE009589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:33:02 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONX11K023170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:33:01 -0400 Received: from ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com [65.32.5.131]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONWjW9015233 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:32:45 -0400 Received: from rufusxp (24.171.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com [68.204.171.24]) by ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3ONWhFh014248 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200704242332.l3ONWhFh014248@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] Monitor issue Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:32:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-index: AceGxM1VJF9M3mOSSKCBfuN97o82IwAA6jgg In-reply-to: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.73, required 6, AWL -1.38, BAYES_80 2.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.39, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY 0.72) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paul, Try: Another computer Another cable Another port on the graphics card If it's bad on another computer and another computer, return it. >> The VP monitor was expensive and featured its own color calibration built in. Really? I have to uses an external device to calibrate my PCs and Macs. It's not clear to me how this could work. Ken Elliott -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:02 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Monitor issue Folks: This is a shot in the dark, but I'll try anyway. My wife's ViewSonic VP series (professional, flat panel) monitor died over the weekend, so we went and picked up a ViewSonic VX922 monitor (also flat panel) so she could continue working. Since we do print work, the trueness of monitor color is important. The VP monitor was expensive and featured its own color calibration built in. For the VX922, we had to buy color calibration software. (All this is while we await the old monitor's repair by ViewSonic.) Both monitors feature a DVI interface. The problem is this: either when the monitor was hooked up, or after it was calibrated (we don't recall), on certain solid backgrounds, it has "scintillations"-- little flashing pixels in random patterns over a small area. Almost like TV static, but not quite so extensive. The color of the background on which this will appear is not consistent (not always blue or black or white or whatever). It's more annoying than anything else, but it still shouldn't be happening. Does anyone know enough about color calibration software or video hardware to say whether this is a hardware or software issue? And if so, what's the cause? Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Apr 24 19:57:45 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONvjIX009756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:57:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3ONvj8a009755 for slug-track29; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:57:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONvjUE009751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:57:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONvh55024517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:57:44 -0400 Received: from randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3ONvEE6030155 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:57:14 -0400 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (pool-71-98-150-23.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.98.150.23]) by randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9D9EF03B for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:57:13 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monitor issue Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:57:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704241957.12141.steve@szmidt.org> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=1.172, required 6, AWL -0.89, BAYES_60 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 24 April 2007 19:02, Paul M Foster wrote: > The problem is this: either when the monitor was hooked up, or after it > was calibrated (we don't recall), on certain solid backgrounds, it has > "scintillations"-- little flashing pixels in random patterns over a > small area. Almost like TV static, but not quite so extensive. The color > of the background on which this will appear is not consistent (not > always blue or black or white or whatever). It's more annoying than > anything else, but it still shouldn't be happening. > > Does anyone know enough about color calibration software or video > hardware to say whether this is a hardware or software issue? And if so, > what's the cause? Ah that's definitely the random pixel bug! It can be found on certain combinations of users. Or, was it hardware? Same difference.. Besides from what Chris said try hooking it up to a different computer. Oh, that's what Chris said. Ah, same difference! :) -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 25 04:15:45 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8FjV4014133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:15:45 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3P8FjOw014132 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:15:45 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8FiRo014128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:15:45 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8DYY4009858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:15:41 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P2DKVw007280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:13:21 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50972 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgX0T-0008Bl-6F for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:13:21 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDC656A91 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462EB93E.10405@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:13:18 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monitor issue References: <200704242332.l3ONWhFh014248@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200704242332.l3ONWhFh014248@ms-smtp-01.tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.535, required 6, AWL 0.09, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ken Elliott wrote: > >>> The VP monitor was expensive and featured its own color calibration built > in. > > Really? I have to uses an external device to calibrate my PCs and Macs. > It's not clear to me how this could work. > You got me. However, if the software is provided by the manufacturer of the monitor, and the manufacturing specs are tight enough, I suppose I could see it. But I had the same question when we bought it. Fortunately, my wife does scrupulous research before she buys *anything*, and this was monitor *she* chose. Me? I could care less if the color's weird. As long as I can see the little letters on the screen, I'm okay. ;-} But you're right on the current software. It comes with a little gizmo that hangs in front of the monitor to read the screen. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 25 04:22:38 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8MbsW014280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:37 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3P8MbAl014279 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:37 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8MbXe014275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:37 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8E7RH010103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:36 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P2IUjB003252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:18:30 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50019 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgX5S-0000MK-LR for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:18:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED67F56A91 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462EBA73.8070705@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:18:27 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monitor issue References: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> <200704241957.12141.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: <200704241957.12141.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.427, required 6, AWL 0.72, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net steve szmidt wrote: > Ah that's definitely the random pixel bug! It can be found on certain > combinations of users. Or, was it hardware? Same difference.. Ah, the random pixel bug! Paul Braman had that problem on a big CRT he bought one time. Drove him nuts. We used to tease him about it. ;-} The folks at the company which makes the color calibration software were less than helpful. This is an edge case, and you could just hear the "wheel of tech support" spinning in the background. (That's the one with random things like "Reboot" on it. The tech spins the wheel to figure out what to tell you.) Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Apr 25 04:22:50 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8MoNN014292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:50 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3P8Mo0u014291 for slug-track29; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:50 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8MnGD014287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:49 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P8E7Rl010103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:22:49 -0400 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3P27TRl001768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:07:29 -0400 Received: from pool-71-98-162-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.162.61]:50916 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HgWun-0007tQ-7T for slug@nks.net; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:07:29 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776F856A91 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462EB7DE.4010301@quillandmouse.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:07:26 -0400 From: Paul M Foster User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monitor issue References: <462E8C6B.7090104@quillandmouse.com> <462E91A4.5080306@mathey.org> In-Reply-To: <462E91A4.5080306@mathey.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=0.804, required 6, AWL 0.36, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Chris Mathey wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: >> Folks: >> >> This is a shot in the dark, but I'll try anyway. >> >> My wife's ViewSonic VP series (professional, flat panel) monitor died >> over the weekend, so we went and picked up a ViewSonic VX922 monitor >> (also flat panel) so she could continue working. Since we do print >> work, the trueness of monitor color is important. The VP monitor was >> expensive and featured its own color calibration built in. For the >> VX922, we had to buy color calibration software. (All this is while we >> await the old monitor's repair by ViewSonic.) Both monitors feature a >> DVI interface. >> >> The problem is this: either when the monitor was hooked up, or after >> it was calibrated (we don't recall), on certain solid backgrounds, it >> has "scintillations"-- little flashing pixels in random patterns over >> a small area. Almost like TV static, but not quite so extensive. The >> color of the background on which this will appear is not consistent >> (not always blue or black or white or whatever). It's more annoying >> than anything else, but it still shouldn't be happening. >> >> Does anyone know enough about color calibration software or video >> hardware to say whether this is a hardware or software issue? And if >> so, what's the cause? >> >> Paul >> > Shot in the dark here as well... > 1. Are your "scintillations" isolated to a specific area on the monitor? No. Can be any place. In fact, they may be happening more than we realize, but they're only visible against certain solid color backgrounds. > 2. Do they disappear in different applications? (I have seen similar > problems with video ram corruption playing games, mostly due to > overclocking) All applications. > 3. Can you isolate by trying to replicate the problem on another computer? Not feasible. Besides, the only change to that machine is the monitor. All cabling the same, everything. > 4. I'm sure the monitor has dual inputs, can you try the other? > Only one input on this one. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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Can you isolate by trying to replicate the problem on another computer? Paul -> Not feasible. Besides, the only change to that machine is the monitor. All cabling the same, everything. Perhaps that is the clue. If the previous monitor failed due to a line spike, it's possible the cable has some damage as well. Ditto for the video card. Highly suggest you test vs. another computer and/or monitor. Ken Elliott -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Paul M Foster Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:07 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Monitor issue Chris Mathey wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: >> Folks: >> >> This is a shot in the dark, but I'll try anyway. >> >> My wife's ViewSonic VP series (professional, flat panel) monitor died >> over the weekend, so we went and picked up a ViewSonic VX922 monitor >> (also flat panel) so she could continue working. Since we do print >> work, the trueness of monitor color is important. The VP monitor was >> expensive and featured its own color calibration built in. For the >> VX922, we had to buy color calibration software. (All this is while >> we await the old monitor's repair by ViewSonic.) Both monitors >> feature a DVI interface. >> >> The problem is this: either when the monitor was hooked up, or after >> it was calibrated (we don't recall), on certain solid backgrounds, it >> has "scintillations"-- little flashing pixels in random patterns over >> a small area. Almost like TV static, but not quite so extensive. The >> color of the background on which this will appear is not consistent >> (not always blue or black or white or whatever). It's more annoying >> than anything else, but it still shouldn't be happening. >> >> Does anyone know enough about color calibration software or video >> hardware to say whether this is a hardware or software issue? And if >> so, what's the cause? >> >> Paul >> > Shot in the dark here as well... > 1. Are your "scintillations" isolated to a specific area on the monitor? No. Can be any place. In fact, they may be happening more than we realize, but they're only visible against certain solid color backgrounds. > 2. Do they disappear in different applications? (I have seen similar > problems with video ram corruption playing games, mostly due to > overclocking) All applications. > 3. Can you isolate by trying to replicate the problem on another computer? Not feasible. Besides, the only change to that machine is the monitor. All cabling the same, everything. > 4. I'm sure the monitor has dual inputs, can you try the other? > Only one input on this one. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Apr 26 20:27:52 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3R0RqaD003037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:27:52 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3R0RqPd003036 for slug-track29; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:27:52 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3R0Rqq6003032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:27:52 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3R0RpSp013814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:27:52 -0400 Received: from imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.68]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3R0RP5J024656 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:27:25 -0400 Received: from ibm64aec.bellsouth.net ([68.17.173.168]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070427002722.JPNA26124.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm64aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:27:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.95] (really [68.17.173.168]) by ibm64aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070427002722.GNLH17809.ibm64aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.95]> for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:27:22 -0400 From: SOTL To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] IBM Select Copywrite Principles Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:24:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704261924.31381.sotl155360@bellsouth.net> X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.214, required 6, AWL -0.40, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_NET 0.61) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Every now and then something is posted that is a must read for ALL computer programmers. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 30 13:07:33 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UH7XWP015870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:07:33 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3UH7XXl015869 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:07:33 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UH7WGt015865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:07:32 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UH7W83006581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:07:32 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.240]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UH7EFZ016008 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:07:14 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.49.107]) by bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:07:14 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:07:14 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.49.123 by by138fd.bay138.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:07:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.78.130.226] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:07:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2007 17:07:14.0194 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFAFE720:01C78B49] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.11, required 6, AWL -0.44, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I want to write a script that uses ls and grep to send a filtered list of files to tar to create an archive. I'm getting hung up on filenames that contain spaces. What looks wrong below? jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls filename with spaces jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls -Q "filename with spaces" jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ tar -cf ../test.tar $(ls -Q) tar: "filename: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: with: Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: spaces": Cannot stat: No such file or directory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors Thanks for any suggestions. Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 30 14:19:44 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UIJiI8016532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:19:44 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3UIJiZ8016531 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:19:44 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UIJiPC016527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:19:44 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UIJhfw011362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:19:44 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UIJHGn019685 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:19:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([71.98.128.211]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JHB00BDJPK10IP4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:19:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:18:34 -0400 From: John Kinary Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <463632FA.2050706@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20060911) X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jonathon Conte wrote: > I want to write a script that uses ls and grep to send a filtered list > of files to tar to create an archive. I'm getting hung up on filenames > that contain spaces. What looks wrong below? > > jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls > filename with spaces > jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls -Q > "filename with spaces" > jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ tar -cf ../test.tar $(ls -Q) > tar: "filename: Cannot stat: No such file or directory > tar: with: Cannot stat: No such file or directory > tar: spaces": Cannot stat: No such file or directory > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors > > Thanks for any suggestions. > Jonathon > > _________________________________________________________________ > Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - > Calculate new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > Jonathon, Write a script or add to your script something that will get rid of the spaces in the filename, replace them with a dash or underscore. Spaces in file names usually are used on Window platforms. Something like this: for file do # Change spaces to dashes lfile=`echo $file | tr ' ' '\-'` # Get rid of multiple dashes or dashes in beginning or end lfile=`echo $lfile | sed -e 's/[_][_][_]*/_/g' -e 's/_\././g' -e 's/^_//g'` if [ "$file" != "$lfile" ]; then if [ ! -f "$lfile" ]; then mv "./$file" $lfile echo "$lfile" fixed else echo "$lfile" exists fi fi done (script thanks to my friend Barry Fishman) John ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.478, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.48) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Jonathon Conte wrote: > I want to write a script that uses ls and grep to send a filtered list > of files to tar to create an archive. I'm getting hung up on filenames > that contain spaces. What looks wrong below? > > jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls > filename with spaces > jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls -Q > "filename with spaces" > jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ tar -cf ../test.tar $(ls -Q) You want something like find and xargs' null terminated delimiters: find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 tar cf ../test.tar That'll do what you want to do. Simply put, find can output null terminated entries that can be fed to xargs as null terminated input entries which xargs then passes to the command in question. You could also just tar up the entire directory: tar cf ../test.tar . Another option is to temporarily redefine IFS. Quoting and dequoting is such a pain. - Ian C. Blenke ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 30 16:50:25 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UKoPG6017828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:50:25 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3UKoPOr017827 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:50:25 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UKoOcF017823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:50:24 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UKoOeZ021124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:50:24 -0400 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UKo8gL028456 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:50:08 -0400 Received: from vms068.mailsrvcs.net ([172.18.12.131]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JHB00BKGWJ4WCHC@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:49:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 72.91.128.101 ([72.91.128.101]) by vms068.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:49:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:49:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces X-Originating-IP: [72.91.128.101] To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <31041951.1015201177966192501.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.18, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.18, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Ian C. Blenke" >Date: 2007/04/30 Mon PM 01:19:42 CDT >Jonathon Conte wrote: > >> I want to write a script that uses ls and grep to >> send a filtered list of files to tar to create an >> archive. I'm getting hung up on filenames that >> contain spaces. What looks wrong below? >> >> jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls >> filename with spaces >> jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ ls -Q >> "filename with spaces" >> jconte@peregrine:~/Desktop/spaces$ tar -cf ../test.tar $(ls -Q) > > >You want something like find and xargs' null >terminated delimiters: > > find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 tar cf ../test.tar > >That'll do what you want to do. > >Simply put, find can output null terminated entries >that can be fed to xargs as null terminated input >entries which xargs then passes to the command in >question. I hope "find" doesn't spit out more filenames than can go in "tar"'s argument list, because then xargs will run tar again and it'll overwrite the existing archive with the next batch. IIRC tar has an option like "take names from filename" (-T?). Might "find ... | tar ... -T -" do what you want? Sorry if I'm off base; my Linux box is down for a few days. >You could also just tar up the entire directory: > > tar cf ../test.tar . > >Another option is to temporarily redefine IFS. "/" can't occur in filenames. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 30 18:31:59 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UMVxYO018781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:59 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l3UMVxo9018780 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:59 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UMVwu2018776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:58 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UMVwcv027259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:58 -0400 Received: from icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (icb-mail-01.nks.net [216.134.200.84]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UMVfba012800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:41 -0400 Received: from [172.20.150.20] (icb-ws-02.nks.net [209.34.226.20]) by icb-mail-01.fw.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l3UMVecA013712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:41 -0400 Message-ID: <46366E4C.4000103@blenke.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:40 -0400 From: "Ian C. Blenke" User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050914) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces References: <31041951.1015201177966192501.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <31041951.1015201177966192501.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEUDAgIgFRBmRi6aclS9 j2rqtI7epoCLXUBILSC3fV3Sl3SpZ0sI6/mLAAACaUlEQVQ4y2WUv2/TQBTHQxkoYkmZGGk6GNSl rS05FRNwCvXN2ENXnDfcVNWDVXmBMCSlYyxVd7eBOeTXjQwl8T/Hs+tL3fRJdqL3ue/7cXfPvZ61 V5PB+ZvZTr+3YTtbaeK6/u4jMHMSlzHmftvwbw9S8hdQ+BuSaXLMRwYAiuED/1Z6zACiMAzh19cu cDJWLx+TxYcPBN5IkBvC8Tj61MniJHkjoFBhFL/uZuCFuMsRhvHRGjxLvKYiaADcx5q6XhwTakKF IVvH2ktycptWMY7P1sDP4xiMGLdgXbDje6PRCFtFBGswoVBo0Ob4fNBJzgs0xiqG9zvoYW2m6Q9g 2Nbbn2RezJHrhfcbmJszC3qTVCGWUupFjnPJ2VF/fXoMuSSrcnO90HK4axUDybm8HaSZguuZc/Fv dicZTJx6tXM+fxeUOpPLYXvwzvk+56irBWFFb3Zowd+MauVKotQ8oL8nLbjUF5yqIo9cGupT/Gmr +nErqVxUKOQKhUH80oKrrF6tSomVMlGJULTgMms2pMTygp6bFYgWvLiRaAQhPa20RiUINOh5vZ6A 0lVVKaB8VtGAspR6KRVAyS3YWgkUAqk72kmEErndxLdNJCz3K13J5QoDCy6bqhQulVJoTsE22Lui A6dWDBCG6BR+WjBF3mgAhBlDZE7smb/krKibN6K+QRAfWsX2quCK1Qq6QZEo7kfnO+MllW/qmx2J 7oAkDIOS1X0CsPcdMPA4Y5IR5Cw46w7hHmN5QAdfHcv5g4He9liQy7mb+u6HjUGnUB/nvu+6Bxvf hqc5XRI3eeQnc8nSx/4nNmfz2/8PU65IALpwV2IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.28, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.28) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: >I hope "find" doesn't spit out more filenames than >can go in "tar"'s argument list, because then xargs >will run tar again and it'll overwrite the existing >archive with the next batch. IIRC tar has an option >like "take names from filename" (-T?). Might "find >... | tar ... -T -" do what you want? Sorry if I'm >off base; my Linux box is down for a few days. > > Very true. You can also use "--null" to accept null terminated names, ie: find . -print0 | tar cf ../test.tar -T - --null Which, like find -print0 and xargs -0, allows tar to accept a null terminated list of filenames. Not that I think you need --null there, as each filename is already on a separate line, right? Then again, you can theoretically have newlines in a filename... (hooray sentinel values!) >>You could also just tar up the entire directory: >> >> tar cf ../test.tar . >> >>Another option is to temporarily redefine IFS. >> >> > >"/" can't occur in filenames. > > Er? You referring to "../test.tar"? That means "test.tar in the parent directory" If you're referring to absolute vs relative filenames inside a tar file, that's a different issue. - Ian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 30 20:01:35 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l4101YCa019556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:01:34 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l4101YWl019555 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:01:34 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l4101YV4019551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:01:34 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l4101YPv031937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:01:34 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l41019Vw030913 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:01:09 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.49.98]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:01:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:01:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.49.123 by by138fd.bay138.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 May 2007 00:01:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [72.40.109.121] X-Originating-Email: [thesicktwist@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thesicktwist@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <46366E4C.4000103@blenke.com> From: "Jonathon Conte" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:01:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2007 00:01:08.0701 (UTC) FILETIME=[D234F0D0:01C78B83] X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.363, required 6, AWL -0.19, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER 0.00, SPF_HELO_PASS -0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Ian C. Blenke" >Reply-To: slug@nks.net >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:31:40 -0400 > >Eben King wrote: > >>I hope "find" doesn't spit out more filenames than >>can go in "tar"'s argument list, because then xargs >>will run tar again and it'll overwrite the existing >>archive with the next batch. IIRC tar has an option >>like "take names from filename" (-T?). Might "find >>... | tar ... -T -" do what you want? Sorry if I'm >>off base; my Linux box is down for a few days. >> >> > >Very true. You can also use "--null" to accept null terminated names, ie: > > find . -print0 | tar cf ../test.tar -T - --null > >Which, like find -print0 and xargs -0, allows tar to accept a null >terminated list of filenames. > >Not that I think you need --null there, as each filename is already on a >separate line, right? > >Then again, you can theoretically have newlines in a filename... (hooray >sentinel values!) > >>>You could also just tar up the entire directory: >>> >>> tar cf ../test.tar . >>> >>>Another option is to temporarily redefine IFS. >>> >>> >> >>"/" can't occur in filenames. >> >> > >Er? You referring to "../test.tar"? That means "test.tar in the parent >directory" > >If you're referring to absolute vs relative filenames inside a tar file, >that's a different issue. > >- Ian > Thanks for the tips guys! I appreciate your ideas and will probably make it work using find. However, I'm still curious to know if I made wrong assumptions about bash with the first method that I tried. Why does the following syntax fail to correctly handle filenames containing spaces? tar -cf ../archive.tar $(ls -Q *) Jonathon _________________________________________________________________ Don’t quit your job – Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Apr 30 20:30:11 2007 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l410UBHq019817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:30:11 -0400 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id l410UBet019816 for slug-track29; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:30:11 -0400 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l410UAO9019812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:30:10 -0400 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l410U9fA001063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:30:10 -0400 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id l410QvB8026844 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:26:57 -0400 Received: from vms169.mailsrvcs.net ([172.18.12.131]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JHC00AIE6KQ7GA2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:26:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 72.91.128.101 ([72.91.128.101]) by vms169.mailsrvcs.net (Verizon Webmail) with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:26:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:26:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces X-Originating-IP: [72.91.128.101] To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <15356600.94411177979210313.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.043, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.04) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >From: "Ian C. Blenke" >Date: 2007/04/30 Mon PM 05:31:40 CDT >To: slug@nks.net >Subject: Re: [SLUG] creating tar archive of filenames containing spaces >Very true. You can also use "--null" to accept null >terminated names, ie: > > find . -print0 | tar cf ../test.tar -T - --null > >Which, like find -print0 and xargs -0, allows tar to >accept a null terminated list of filenames. Nifty. >Not that I think you need --null there, as each >filename is already on a separate line, right? If you have mostly sane filenames, right, you don't need them separated by \0. NL should do it. >Then again, you can theoretically have newlines in a >filename... (hooray sentinel values!) >>>Another option is to temporarily redefine IFS. >> >>"/" can't occur in filenames. > >Er? You referring to "../test.tar"? That means >"test.tar in the parent directory" You can't have files named "foo\0bar" or "foo/bar". Having a _path_ foo/bar is just fine. >If you're referring to absolute vs relative filenames >inside a tar file, that's a different issue. Oh, I don't know about tar's rules. Presumably they're similar to Linux's. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff and then go back to sleep. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.