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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 08:31:35 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21DVZbq013427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:31:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m21DVZV9013426 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:31:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21DVZS4013422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:31:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21DVZaZ032150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:31:35 -0500 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21DV0Zg009115 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:31:01 -0500 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c57so8046779wra.4 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:30:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VG7qt41uKxHBG2RKYswfW8L5AoRJ2d9Zc4BSTp7fWvc=; b=BHb+euYUybUzaybcMnaEGDDqX3jMwvbrOH6j4DJwsLoKcX/cGOe+ph0U4ZkI11/a92kDksaKOPXoTvqZG46Akegi0cvZ4q9MA1iBaPEXnsxEaFTWe+s7JcVmNAAHq15I1atZcsy6QLXtVS2n7e5jVlSoJluy6UNSupCKKdJOu7M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=utxusCFLb6ETzCDq5rjGus8oANQ8yeSVaWEL+6wfH4KQt3p4mU981S85eR8Z7ExOGEw5YfglLostYNXzY2aO53Vaw9mlYGznjlrG99fPl1LhdCXt7nm5k8MGcK4WVBvJW83Y6G//M7No3FvuBIF9G1sNBhPs0bQJXbRb1YVu+W8= Received: by 10.141.211.13 with SMTP id n13mr7084498rvq.12.1204378257911; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.135.15 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 05:30:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <703ba7320803010530n6baa75bbp49ac4be530832bab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 07:30:57 -0600 From: "Robert Waldo" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5269_593881.1204378257909" References: <1e01a6fd0802291312x15499381y46777e20a615f5de@mail.gmail.com> X-HELO: wr-out-0506.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.489, required 6, AWL -1.31, BAD_STRING_gmail_PUNCdot_com 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_40_50 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_TV 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_5269_593881.1204378257909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The problem you're having with RDP may be that 1. The remote computer is XP home edition which doesn't support RDP or 2. you have to open port 3389 in your router. I've found success when those two conditions were met. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, William Coulter wrote: > I have not been able to get RDP to work for me. I don't know or I can't > figure out what I was doing wrong. I could give it a try again but I don't > expect much from it by me. > > By going the VNC option, if I have tightvnc viewer on my PC, then how do I > have control over the XP? (This is what I mean as I don't have a clue of > what I am doing.) > > William > > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Eric Brace wrote: > > > You could use RDP, Ubuntu comes with a really nice TS clone for RDP. > > > > If your going to use the VNC option, install the UltraVNC server piece > > on the XP boxes and then install the tight VNC viewer on Ubuntu. > > > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, William Coulter > > wrote: > > > > > Ok, I have been reading from both web sites about ultravnc and > > > tightvnc and I am not sure which one I should use. I don't do this in my > > > daily work so this is strange and different to me. What I am trying to do > > > remote control a family PC at another house. I run ubuntu linux but they > > > all run XP. Both vnc's are cross plat form but why do some people use > > > ultravnc over tightvnc and vice-a-versa? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > William > > > > > > > > > -- Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. - Frank Zappa ------=_Part_5269_593881.1204378257909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The problem you're having with RDP may be that 1.  The remote computer is XP home edition which doesn't support RDP or 2. you have to open port 3389 in your router.  I've found success when those two conditions were met.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 8:27 PM, William Coulter <wrcoulter33@gmail.com> wrote:
I have not been able to get RDP to work for me.  I don't know or I can't figure out what I was doing wrong.  I could give it a try again but I don't expect much from it by me. 

By going the VNC option, if I have tightvnc viewer on my PC, then how do I have control over the XP?  (This is what I mean as I don't have a clue of what I am doing.)

William


On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Eric Brace <eric.brace@gmail.com> wrote:
You could use RDP, Ubuntu comes with a really nice TS clone for RDP.
 
If your going to use the VNC option, install the UltraVNC server piece on the XP boxes and then install the tight VNC viewer on Ubuntu.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, William Coulter <wrcoulter33@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok, I have been reading from both web sites about ultravnc and tightvnc and I am not sure which one I should use.  I don't do this in my daily work so this is strange and different to me.  What I am trying to do remote control a family PC at another house.  I run ubuntu linux but they all run XP.  Both vnc's are cross plat form but why do some people use ultravnc over tightvnc and vice-a-versa?

Thanks,
William






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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 08:51:48 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21DpmEd013567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:51:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m21Dpmwq013566 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:51:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21DplTQ013562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:51:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21DplC9001135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:51:47 -0500 Received: from ns35.webmasters.com (ns35.webmasters.com [208.64.137.91]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id m21DopKB008835 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 08:50:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 2839 invoked by uid 2527); 1 Mar 2008 13:50:03 -0000 Date: 1 Mar 2008 13:50:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20080301135003.2837.qmail@ns35.webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Tampa Meeting From: "Robin - Bartow FL" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=M_8b54c9d7db71aa1107a81dbb2f26e098" X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM (suncoastlug.mailbox@gibp.com@71.98.227.198) X-HELO: ns35.webmasters.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.902, required 6, AWL -2.10, BAYES_95 3.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----=M_8b54c9d7db71aa1107a81dbb2f26e098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul M Foster paulf@quillandmouse.com To: slug@nks.net Sent: 2/29/08 10:31 AM Subject: [SLUG] Tampa Meeting > Okay folks, if you're going to have a Tampa meeting next week, you might > seriously want to consider who's going to lead it, and where and when > it's going to be. As usual, meeting reminders are set to go over the > weekend, and the meeting is scheduled for next week. Earlier this month, > there was private correspondence about moving the venue for the meeting, > but I have yet to hear anything. Time is getting tight. > > Paul > -- > Paul M. Foster Of the different group meetings that I have attended over the years, this is what I have noticed to work fairly well. 1. A restaurant with a separate meeting area. 2. Chairs and tables that can be moved into a U shape. Size of group effects the size of U shape for better seeing, hearing, and waitress access. 3. Saturday mornings at 9:00am was a good turn-out time. 4. Sharing of recent discoveries. 5. As always, Q&A. Denny's in my town has a meeting room and free WiFi. I'm oblivious to Tampa venues and private correspondence. /robin ----=M_8b54c9d7db71aa1107a81dbb2f26e098-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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( [70.126.26.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c1sm20771139ana.36.2008.03.01.10.52.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 10:52:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: From: Steven Buehler To: slug@nks.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: [SLUG] CompUSA in Brandon Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:52:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-HELO: an-out-0708.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.785, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.21, BAYES_50 0.00, WGL_swbuehler_Pat_gmail_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Just dropped by the CompUSA in Brandon, which has been "reopened" under TigerDirect, keeping the CompUSA name. Now it's computer and television equipment and hardware, and it seems the prices have dropped considerably under the new management. No more software, no more game consoles and satellite radios, and no more Apple/Mac stuff. If you want Mac stuff you'll have to drive to the Apple Stores in Tampa (International Plaza) or Orlando (Mall at Millenia and Florida Mall) now. They are also hiring. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 15:39:10 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21KdAW2017112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:39:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m21KdAEK017111 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:39:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21KdAhi017107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:39:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21KdACE030600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:39:10 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21KZupQ000665 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:35:56 -0500 Received: from tec.sigtom.com ([72.184.77.111]) by hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080301203556.EBIV11056.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@tec.sigtom.com> for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:35:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48B5117051B for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:35:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sigtom.com Received: from tec.sigtom.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tec.sigtom.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oo9MxgTEkClR; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0821171A9E; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (zeus.sigtom.com [192.168.1.11]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E859D117051B for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:35:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47C9BE29.5030100@sigtom.com> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:35:53 -0500 From: "Tom E Craddock, Jr" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CompUSA in Brandon References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.554, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Steven Buehler wrote: > Just dropped by the CompUSA in Brandon, which has been "reopened" > under TigerDirect, keeping the CompUSA name. Now it's computer and > television equipment and hardware, and it seems the prices have > dropped considerably under the new management. No more software, no > more game consoles and satellite radios, and no more Apple/Mac stuff. > If you want Mac stuff you'll have to drive to the Apple Stores in > Tampa (International Plaza) or Orlando (Mall at Millenia and Florida > Mall) now. > > They are also > hiring.----------------------------------------------------------------------- > There will be a new Mac store opening this year @ the Brandon Mall, near that new store Dick's sporting good. (For some reason, Ill never shop @ Dick's, just seems wrong.) Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 15:43:52 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21Khq0h017162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:43:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m21KhqE6017161 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:43:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21KhpKV017157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:43:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21KhonB030958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:43:50 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21KhPeh022716 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:43:25 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX2003HQK7TW8O0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:43:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:43:54 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] dual monitors in X X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:39:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m21Ldm8D017657 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:39:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21Ldlnf017653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:39:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21LdnFl002307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:39:49 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21LcntT011121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:38:49 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50849 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JVZPr-0008Uj-Da for slug@nks.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:38:47 -0500 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AA3C256A67; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:38:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:38:44 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CompUSA in Brandon Message-ID: <20080301213844.GT20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.859, required 6, AWL 1.20, BAYES_99 3.50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:52:47PM -0500, Steven Buehler wrote: > Just dropped by the CompUSA in Brandon, which has been "reopened" > under TigerDirect, keeping the CompUSA name. Now it's computer and > television equipment and hardware, and it seems the prices have > dropped considerably under the new management. No more software, no > more game consoles and satellite radios, and no more Apple/Mac stuff. > If you want Mac stuff you'll have to drive to the Apple Stores in > Tampa (International Plaza) or Orlando (Mall at Millenia and Florida > Mall) now. Actually, I believe there's a mac place somewhere in Pinellas county as well. Maybe Dunedin or Palm Harbor. There used to be a "Ray's Connecting Point", and it may be the same place. Also, talked to the Apple person at CompUSA before they closed, and as I recall, she was going to be based at the Best Buy on 19 and Drew. So Best Buy may be selling Macs as well. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 17:49:55 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21MntcN018264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:49:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m21Mnttp018263 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:49:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21MntnN018259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:49:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21MntDH006782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:49:55 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21MnJtQ028228 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:49:23 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so1308216uge.7 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:49:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=eVLQ42DWAFKeTDH8yTwQirg6fwbRzF4rea1rZF5zh9w=; b=TZ3WrbxJetsI9tBPvfQ/+J0rPOlmRzx9EI/62iUwl94DgsAWivn+p6CIWzHRwA9VCUE7V17oLs9UKgeroMOSS8fwNaBNBuO/uNcNtJCvFMjLiIikj97y/grlfS4dHvBkS/jm4T0yscmABkUVUHa1gBY8uE9+Y76ymkU3MdaMjtc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j3oHStaJ9X9cCVqr+biE7csrZ0+VA/6LaJB3JU13yDuWoffsRdn1v/eOaFW7kWWlzbT/5JuMJBZVrh+TYpnB1BbGNA+idoNnMjm+/pAgeqcFme1KXlcYWsjKOBkxz66HnW1zhpKMW2h3ba84NU/dJXpf4/ScLYlB803k+is9Yg0= Received: by 10.66.252.18 with SMTP id z18mr2826798ugh.37.1204411758421; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.81.1 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:49:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3461d5200803011449t598629a0ge8a26b9356f51f98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:49:18 -0500 From: "Michael Fisher" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] CompUSA in Brandon In-Reply-To: <20080301213844.GT20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2737_31727321.1204411758414" References: <20080301213844.GT20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: ug-out-1314.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.002, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_2737_31727321.1204411758414 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:52:47PM -0500, Steven Buehler wrote: > > > Just dropped by the CompUSA in Brandon, which has been "reopened" > > under TigerDirect, keeping the CompUSA name. Now it's computer and > > television equipment and hardware, and it seems the prices have > > dropped considerably under the new management. No more software, no > > more game consoles and satellite radios, and no more Apple/Mac stuff. > > If you want Mac stuff you'll have to drive to the Apple Stores in > > Tampa (International Plaza) or Orlando (Mall at Millenia and Florida > > Mall) now. > > Actually, I believe there's a mac place somewhere in Pinellas county as > well. Maybe Dunedin or Palm Harbor. There used to be a "Ray's Connecting > Point", and it may be the same place. > > Also, talked to the Apple person at CompUSA before they closed, and as I > recall, she was going to be based at the Best Buy on 19 and Drew. So > Best Buy may be selling Macs as well. > > Paul > > I know the Best Buy across from the Citrus Mall in Tampa is selling Macs, software and accessories but I don't believe iPods are included. ------=_Part_2737_31727321.1204411758414 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:52:47PM -0500, Steven Buehler wrote:

> Just dropped by the CompUSA in Brandon, which has been "reopened"
> under TigerDirect, keeping the CompUSA name. Now it's computer and
> television equipment and hardware, and it seems the prices have
> dropped considerably under the new management. No more software, no
> more game consoles and satellite radios, and no more Apple/Mac stuff.
> If you want Mac stuff you'll have to drive to the Apple Stores in
> Tampa (International Plaza) or Orlando (Mall at Millenia and Florida
> Mall) now.

Actually, I believe there's a mac place somewhere in Pinellas county as
well. Maybe Dunedin or Palm Harbor. There used to be a "Ray's Connecting
Point", and it may be the same place.

Also, talked to the Apple person at CompUSA before they closed, and as I
recall, she was going to be based at the Best Buy on 19 and Drew. So
Best Buy may be selling Macs as well.

Paul


I know the Best Buy across from the Citrus Mall in Tampa is selling Macs, software and accessories but I don't believe iPods are included.
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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 18:27:07 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21NR7dj018644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:27:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m21NR7Xe018643 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:27:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21NR64l018639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:27:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21NR778009204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:27:07 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m21NQTLR003476 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:26:29 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX2003ANRWGLBQC@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:29:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:27:10 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] CompUSA in Brandon In-reply-to: <3461d5200803011449t598629a0ge8a26b9356f51f98@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080301213844.GT20298@quillandmouse.com> <3461d5200803011449t598629a0ge8a26b9356f51f98@mail.gmail.com> X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.352, required 6, AWL -3.56, BAYES_95 3.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Michael Fisher wrote: > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Paul M Foster > wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 01:52:47PM -0500, Steven Buehler wrote: >> >>> Just dropped by the CompUSA in Brandon, which has been "reopened" >>> under TigerDirect, keeping the CompUSA name. Now it's computer and >>> television equipment and hardware, and it seems the prices have >>> dropped considerably under the new management. No more software, no >>> more game consoles and satellite radios, and no more Apple/Mac stuff. >>> If you want Mac stuff you'll have to drive to the Apple Stores in >>> Tampa (International Plaza) or Orlando (Mall at Millenia and Florida >>> Mall) now. >> >> Actually, I believe there's a mac place somewhere in Pinellas county as >> well. Maybe Dunedin or Palm Harbor. There used to be a "Ray's Connecting >> Point", and it may be the same place. >> >> Also, talked to the Apple person at CompUSA before they closed, and as I >> recall, she was going to be based at the Best Buy on 19 and Drew. So >> Best Buy may be selling Macs as well. >> > I know the Best Buy across from the Citrus Mall in Tampa is selling Macs, > software and accessories but I don't believe iPods are included. They're by Apple, but they're not Macs. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 19:19:04 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m220J47l019126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:19:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m220J4E3019125 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:19:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m220J3n4019121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:19:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m220J3C3012408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:19:03 -0500 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m220IXSc015531 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:18:33 -0500 Received: from rufusxp ([68.207.112.172]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080302001833.DRCO10595.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@rufusxp> for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:18:33 +0000 From: "Ken Elliott" To: References: Subject: RE: [SLUG] console wackiness Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 19:18:31 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c87bfa$f2ae0370$0200a8c0@rufusxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Ach5gdt5vDuvlsXSS/+0rqA5nZB3swCeA9tQ X-HELO: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.751, required 6, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net >> Whenever I go to text mode (beside or without X, not a terminal emulator), the bottom 4-5 lines is cut off. Sounds like your would be in 640 x 480 VGA mode, and your monitor needs the vertical size adjusted. In the old days, monitors were single sync and would only work on a single resolution. Then NEC created the MultiSync, which would look at the incoming signal and switch between different sets of settings for different resolutions. You had to make adjustments for each video mode (resolution). You'd put the video in 640 x480 and set the horizontal and vertical size (and centering). You'd repeat the process for each mode, such as 1024 x768 for X Windows. So I bet you need to set the horizontal and vertical controls on your MONITOR for your GUI, but not for 640x480 text mode. Give it a try. Your monitor should be smart enough to keep separate settings for text and graphics modes. Ken Elliott ===================== -----Original Message----- From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Eben King Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:43 PM To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] console wackiness Hey folks. Whenever I go to text mode (beside or without X, not a terminal emulator), the bottom 4-5 lines is cut off. The text area is normally sized, just the "virtual screen" extends several lines below my physical screen. If I run "/etc/init.d/console-screen.sh" the letters become smaller and everything is visibile. The right monitor shows garbage at that point, but that's a small price to pay for being able to see everything. Why doesn't this work at boot time? What can I do to correct it? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 CANCER: The position of Jupiter says that you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 1 20:34:51 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m221Yp41019751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:34:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m221YpQh019750 for slug-track29; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:34:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m221YpKS019746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:34:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m221YoX4016805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:34:51 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.241]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m221YGJj027912 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:34:16 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so975343and.117 for ; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:34:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; bh=08s93UCQZNXwqfzyy2giYcaJb9zkaDAeesihlq9NTlY=; b=tk9egYGFOsguwb6k1Qs8CVU+OAsHDQhi5MGKcJRIOXrws89XfNj3/KLmWqq6dBQEhgs8ag76PtH+6yt8afcOW4uz+8w6ONztucxoNxlkVXnjWfmBkYAHsmZdiWzukAZA8onorlhftvUcDdA8TUcZpg6mRMtINN2HjC5GXbAyHS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language:message-id; b=L8WoSNRtaWuKtpfYcHVSwFSrb3Rsefw94pwiwAEc+ZxjHmADgszyXCFBSNSSt3kfBivIxg0V7Q6FkAAEH2onXcp1VZhzHI4RKQtl0qJcshKhdd1w6cfbR9YurbUnwe54IpJOnK+LPV6P97XMPxjJo1SiJHc8zNjyGeqNdoU7jyU= Received: by 10.100.95.19 with SMTP id s19mr13607281anb.48.1204421655819; Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:34:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from metroplex ( [68.200.95.76]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b12sm18168418ana.1.2008.03.01.17.34.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric Brace" To: References: <1e01a6fd0802291312x15499381y46777e20a615f5de@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [SLUG] VNC question Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:34:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C87BDB.9CC77230" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ach7SH1LEyfNJiVERFSLpft0jr5SygAu2MnA Content-Language: en-us Message-ID: <47ca0416.0c35640a.07e9.ffff8ad0@mx.google.com> X-HELO: an-out-0708.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.328, required 6, BAD_STRING_gmail_PUNCdot_com 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_TV 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C87BDB.9CC77230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Basically the VNC relationship works in a viewer / server fashion. You install the server piece on a computer that you need to have remote access. You use the viewer on the computer you are going to use to connect to the remote pc. A few considerations, is the XP box behind a firewall? Does the XP box have its firewall on, if so you need to open the appropriate ports for the VNC apps to work. On the Ubuntu box you will need to install the viewer portion and make sure that if any firewalls are up on your side that the appropriate ports are open as well. RDP, can be enabled on XP by right clicking on my computer, selecting the remote tab and then checking off the allow users to remotely connect to this computer. Again make sure you punch a hole in any firewall for this port or protocol. Oh and one more thing to mention, if the PC is behind a router/switch, you will need to use port forwarding, I have actually seen smart cable modems too that have a port forwarding service in them also. Basically this tells the router to accept the connection and forward it to the appropriate IP / port on the other side. You basically have an outside interface with a public IP that needs to translate into your private, most likely 192.168.1.XXX:4600 address. Again, in Ubuntu I really like the Term Services / RDP client they built in, it really is smooth. VNC is cool to, but its flakey and can be a security concern, even moreso then RDP, but that's another discussion altogether. Take Care! Eric Brace From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:28 PM To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC question I have not been able to get RDP to work for me. I don't know or I can't figure out what I was doing wrong. I could give it a try again but I don't expect much from it by me. By going the VNC option, if I have tightvnc viewer on my PC, then how do I have control over the XP? (This is what I mean as I don't have a clue of what I am doing.) William On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Eric Brace wrote: You could use RDP, Ubuntu comes with a really nice TS clone for RDP. If your going to use the VNC option, install the UltraVNC server piece on the XP boxes and then install the tight VNC viewer on Ubuntu. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, William Coulter wrote: Ok, I have been reading from both web sites about ultravnc and tightvnc and I am not sure which one I should use. I don't do this in my daily work so this is strange and different to me. What I am trying to do remote control a family PC at another house. I run ubuntu linux but they all run XP. Both vnc's are cross plat form but why do some people use ultravnc over tightvnc and vice-a-versa? Thanks, William ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C87BDB.9CC77230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Basically the VNC relationship works in a viewer / server = fashion. You install the server piece on a computer that you need to have remote = access. You use the viewer on the computer you are going to use to connect to = the remote pc. A few considerations, is the XP box behind a firewall? Does = the XP box have its firewall on, if so you need to open the appropriate ports = for the VNC apps to work. On the Ubuntu box you will need to install the viewer = portion and make sure that if any firewalls are up on your side that the = appropriate ports are open as well.

 

RDP, can be enabled on XP by right clicking on my = computer, selecting the remote tab and then checking off the allow users to = remotely connect to this computer. Again make sure you punch a hole in any = firewall for this port or protocol.

 

Oh and one more thing to mention, if the PC is behind a = router/switch, you will need to use port forwarding, I have actually seen smart cable = modems too that have a port forwarding service in them also. Basically this = tells the router to accept the connection and forward it to the appropriate IP / = port on the other side. You basically have an outside interface with a public IP = that needs to translate into your private, most likely 192.168.1.XXX:4600 = address.

 

Again, in Ubuntu I really like the Term Services / RDP = client they built in, it really is smooth. VNC is cool to, but its flakey and = can be a security concern, even moreso then RDP, but that’s another = discussion altogether.

 

Take Care!

 

 

 

 

Eric Brace

 

From:= = slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of William Coulter
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:28 PM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC question

 

I have not been able = to get RDP to work for me.  I don't know or I can't figure out what I was = doing wrong.  I could give it a try again but I don't expect much from it = by me. 

By going the VNC option, if I have tightvnc viewer on my PC, then how do = I have control over the XP?  (This is what I mean as I don't have a clue = of what I am doing.)

William

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Eric Brace <eric.brace@gmail.com> = wrote:

You could use RDP, Ubuntu comes with a really nice = TS clone for RDP.

 

If your going to use = the VNC option, install the UltraVNC server piece on the XP boxes and then = install the tight VNC viewer on Ubuntu.

On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, William Coulter = <wrcoulter33@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, I have been = reading from both web sites about ultravnc and tightvnc and I am not sure which one I = should use.  I don't do this in my daily work so this is strange and = different to me.  What I am trying to do remote control a family PC at another house.  I run ubuntu linux but they all run XP.  Both vnc's = are cross plat form but why do some people use ultravnc over tightvnc and = vice-a-versa?

Thanks,
William

 

 

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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 01:22:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m236MENM002172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:22:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m236ME1f002171 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:22:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m236MCdW002162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:22:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m236MDfP015163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:22:13 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m236LnM4022381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:21:49 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50474 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JW43Y-0000qd-JC; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:21:48 -0500 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3AA9356A67; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:21:45 -0500 (EST) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20080303062145.3AA9356A67@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 01:21:45 -0500 (EST) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.403, required 6, AWL -0.85, BAYES_80 2.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* TAMPA **************************************************** 5 March 19:00-21:00 Tampa (USUALLY second Tuesday of each month, CURRENTLY 1st Wednesday) Hillsborough Community College Dale Mabry Campus Technology Bldg, Rm 412 4001 Tampa Bay Blvd Tampa, FL See http://www.hccfl.edu/pollock/Docs/DM-Map.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 11:51:41 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23GpfER007609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23Gpfta007608 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23GpfBN007603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23Gpe4T001122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:51:40 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23GitJJ024688 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:45:05 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([96.228.193.174]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX50036BYAGAZ60@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:39:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:39:46 -0500 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-6.053, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.61, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, TW_CF 0.08, WGL_dhaselwood_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? I've googled backing up and tried various variations of the following, all with no success: Suse 10.3's Yast backup cp -a rsync -a tar -cfz I got an external 500GB drive, and set up three partitions: one for mac, fat for win, ext3 for linux. I've tried so many things that I can't present a concise problem, though the most common one seems to be running out of disk space. ('umount'ing all partitions except the source & destination solved one problem.) Very time consuming "experiments", i.e. hours per trial. I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the next step is recovery, but that comes later). Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 12:08:19 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23H8I3U007782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:08:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23H8ICn007781 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:08:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23H8I24007777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:08:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-16.nks.net [209.34.225.176]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23H8IEc002057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:08:18 -0500 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23GvdO3002837 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:58:01 -0500 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so179061wfg.1 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:57:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+od7yuEfFogMtL2v+DNY7nA9ljS0Mx+crQs5mMUOp30=; b=IVKH/PnjOjeCwfAvjX7vviDwpcYLtvXQq3+91l88AigMs9yHXXzoTbUoxikdGbTDtTvw+TYCDRgpMSrQ8FoxDHLeRYvyGMnfd4g+kd+tRkTAIyxImppbj7lmliILFGh3fvJBNLVAtsPEz+unBPuJMNGf3BZHpcobuNoOObgFUhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tbhVlDLcn5fV5q/fzfwjr/Uznx2i7SnZKGsU/QU/rMMzSjzvN13PNDiNPnfC8mABzm9GxaCJ7t5q0eeIXwbtFFufG0st9KWtUFRs7Qs5yH+F7IkOeteO+12A+yKKPa2aw15m/Tek5pBZz6MaSi9g6YDHc+QbRxwchwYpdZ/bAVI= Received: by 10.143.9.5 with SMTP id m5mr154559wfi.94.1204563458431; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:57:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.199.4 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:57:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e01a6fd0803030857l1e245aa8se28a9d92847ac114@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:57:38 -0500 From: "Eric Brace" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system In-Reply-To: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13143_11390387.1204563458441" References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-HELO: wf-out-1314.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.688, required 6, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_20 -0.74, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, TW_CF 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_13143_11390387.1204563458441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline rsync daemon works really well. What happens when you execute the rsync daemon? On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > > I've googled backing up and tried various variations of the following, all > with no success: > Suse 10.3's Yast backup > cp -a > rsync -a > tar -cfz > > I got an external 500GB drive, and set up three partitions: one for mac, > fat > for win, ext3 for linux. > > I've tried so many things that I can't present a concise problem, though > the > most common one seems to be running out of disk space. ('umount'ing all > partitions except the source & destination solved one problem.) > > Very time consuming "experiments", i.e. hours per trial. > > I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the > next > step is recovery, but that comes later). > > Don > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_13143_11390387.1204563458441 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline rsync daemon works really well. What happens when you execute the rsync daemon?

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Donald E Haselwood <dhaselwood@verizon.net> wrote:
What is a good way to backup the entire linux system?

I've googled backing up and tried various variations of the following, all
with no success:
Suse 10.3's Yast backup
cp -a
rsync -a
tar -cfz

I got an external 500GB drive, and set up three partitions: one for mac, fat
for win, ext3 for linux.

I've tried so many things that I can't present a concise problem, though the
most common one seems to be running out of disk space.  ('umount'ing all
partitions except the source & destination solved one problem.)

Very time consuming "experiments", i.e. hours per trial.

I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the next
step is recovery, but that comes later).

Don
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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 12:18:02 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HI2dk007910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23HI2hZ007909 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HI2RQ007905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HI2YY002889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:02 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23H6r8B030438 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:06:53 -0500 Received: from tec.sigtom.com ([72.184.77.111]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080303170653.KROP5388.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@tec.sigtom.com> for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:06:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587781171A88 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:06:49 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sigtom.com Received: from tec.sigtom.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tec.sigtom.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o96uT3JhSKOe; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09DD1171A93; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (zeus.sigtom.com [192.168.1.11]) by tec.sigtom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1026B11711EE for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:06:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47CC3026.2080001@sigtom.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:06:46 -0500 From: "Tom E Craddock, Jr" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.981, required 6, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_MISMATCH_COM 0.55, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, TW_CF 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Donald E Haselwood wrote: > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > > I've googled backing up and tried various variations of the following, all > with no success: > Suse 10.3's Yast backup > cp -a > rsync -a > tar -cfz > > I got an external 500GB drive, and set up three partitions: one for mac, fat > for win, ext3 for linux. > > I've tried so many things that I can't present a concise problem, though the > most common one seems to be running out of disk space. ('umount'ing all > partitions except the source & destination solved one problem.) > > Very time consuming "experiments", i.e. hours per trial. > > I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the next > step is recovery, but that comes later). > > Don > > Don, I have 4 servers, all running a distro called ClarkConnect, that is based on RH4/5. I didnt install and setup the backup solution they use on my own, as it came already prepared and w/a UI on the web interface, which is Bacula, which works great. I have it setup to do 2 separate backups per machine, one does the whole FS, in case I need to do a barebones recovery, and I also have just the / and config/setup files backed up if I ever just want to do a fresh install, but still have the old files to reference/use/study. It backs up over the network, to connected media, multiple tyes from USB HDD, internal HDD, Zip Drive, optical, etc. It will also backup clients (*nix, WinXP, Vista, and Mac i THINK) to the server running bacula, also over the network or to one of the attached mediums. Can also do backups over WAN. Im not sure, but I think that work on it may have stopped or maybe just stalled at some recent point. I get any support I need for Bacula they ClarkConnect. Tom Craddock, Jr. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 12:18:09 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HI9NR007922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23HI9G6007921 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:09 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HI9FZ007917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:09 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HI9Bj002897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:18:09 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23H94w9032729 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:09:04 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 2AD24B4C65B; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CAFB4C434 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:09:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47CC30B7.2090509@runithard.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:09:11 -0500 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.144, required 6, AWL -4.58, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_54 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_CF 0.08, TW_CV 0.08, TW_VF 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Donald, I use tar and backup all my critical stuff in daily generations and purge the generations using a find command like so. find /mnt/backup -mtime +365 -exec rm {} \; It's CRON and it works..... Here is my backup command... tar cvfj /mnt/backup/backup.`date +%Y%m%d`.tar.bz2 /etc /home /var If you want a MIRROR image just setup a raid. I'm a big fan of raiding and backing up critical files(WITH GENERATIONS SINCE USERS DON'T NOTICE ITS GONE FOR A FEW DAYS) -- the raid keeps the system safe and the backup keeps the users data safe. It's personal preference I'm sure, but you can do tapes and tar it off it CPIO off the system to those. I'm lazy, I don't like to swap tapes. Oh recovery is a snap..... "So you deleted you home folder or your email...... not a problem", you can use ARK to open the tar file and pull their mail folder for VAR or do a command line command. Raid is a snap... "Yeah my lights blinking... I'll need to buy a new drive in the next couple of days". GHOST is out there too...... along with lots of other GUI based free linux tools. That stuff gets complicated(or robust if you like it) and time consuming, my backup takes like an hour and I run it at 2AM everynight in CRONTAB. Good luck! --Matthew Rogers Donald E Haselwood wrote: > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > > I've googled backing up and tried various variations of the following, all > with no success: > Suse 10.3's Yast backup > cp -a > rsync -a > tar -cfz > > I got an external 500GB drive, and set up three partitions: one for mac, fat > for win, ext3 for linux. > > I've tried so many things that I can't present a concise problem, though the > most common one seems to be running out of disk space. ('umount'ing all > partitions except the source & destination solved one problem.) > > Very time consuming "experiments", i.e. hours per trial. > > I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the next > step is recovery, but that comes later). > > Don > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 12:33:19 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HXJrA008051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:33:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23HXJYU008050 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:33:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HXIKW008042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:33:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HXHdh004168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:33:18 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HL25I019859 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:21:02 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 3135CB4C434; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2236AB4C434 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:21:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47CC3385.4000105@runithard.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:21:09 -0500 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual monitors in X References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.095, required 6, AWL -3.35, BAYES_60 1.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've had LOTS of issues running 2 monitors. I've used NVIDIAS settings tool which made enabling the both a snap but I couldn't have one with a 16/9 and another with 4/3 aspect ratio. So obviously, running a 16/9 1680x1050 monitor at 1280x1024 looked like garbage so I chucked the old 17 inch and went exclusively to this 22 inch @ 1680x1050. Are both of your monitors the same aspect ratio? BTW, I didn't get the screen saver to work either, I just set power management to power them down after 11 minutes and it worked on both. I figured the LCD backlight only has so many hours of life, your better off just to shut it off. Eben King wrote: > OK, my two monitors (one DVI, one VGA) work fine hanging off one card. > Everything seems hunky-dory EXCEPT the left monitor (DVI, X monitor #1 > I think) doesn't participate in xscreensaver's displays. It goes black > (and not a fade like the other one either) and stays that way. I've > tried both Twinview alone, and with Xinerama added (I think that's > what it is; nvidia-settings was involved), same deal. > (Philosophically, I prefer Xinerama alone, because if I change video > card brands, it still works.) > > I have "mode: random-same" in ~/.xscreensaver and xscreensaver(1) says: > > ,-- > | mode (class Mode) > | Controls the behavior of xscreensaver. Legal values are: > ... > | random-same > | Like random, but if there are multiple screens, each > | screen will run the same random display mode, instead > | of each screen running a different one. > '-- > > It doesn't do that. What did I do wrong? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 12:43:00 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23Hh0Pn008138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:43:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23Hh0YS008137 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:43:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23Hgx8w008133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:42:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HgxXa004928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:42:59 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HTqoS020904 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:29:52 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 2FF84B4CA4C; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DDBB4CA4C for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:30:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47CC3598.7090306@runithard.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:30:00 -0500 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC question References: <1e01a6fd0802291312x15499381y46777e20a615f5de@mail.gmail.com> <47ca0416.0c35640a.07e9.ffff8ad0@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <47ca0416.0c35640a.07e9.ffff8ad0@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.916, required 6, AWL -2.85, BAD_STRING_gmail_PUNCdot_com 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, HOT_NASTY 0.16, J_CHICKENPOX_34 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_TV 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net If you use SSH.... LOCAL PORT: TARGET HOST(CAN BE A DIFF MACHINE ON THE NETWORK) : TARGET HOST PORT ssh -L 5555:localhost:5900 whoever@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX and then VNC to 127.0.0.01:5555 you can tunnel your VNC over ssh @ 256 bit encryption. That's what I do for RDP(port 3389) and VNC. I don't like risking losing my logins and even with RDP 48bit encryption is better than plain text but it's still kinda smelly. If you REALLY want to get crazy throw a -C in there to turn on compression and you should see better performance on a tight bandwidth connection. FYI: Change Halt at work today.... bored, heh ;-) --Matthew Rogers Eric Brace wrote: > > Basically the VNC relationship works in a viewer / server fashion. You > install the server piece on a computer that you need to have remote > access. You use the viewer on the computer you are going to use to > connect to the remote pc. A few considerations, is the XP box behind a > firewall? Does the XP box have its firewall on, if so you need to open > the appropriate ports for the VNC apps to work. On the Ubuntu box you > will need to install the viewer portion and make sure that if any > firewalls are up on your side that the appropriate ports are open as well. > > RDP, can be enabled on XP by right clicking on my computer, selecting > the remote tab and then checking off the allow users to remotely > connect to this computer. Again make sure you punch a hole in any > firewall for this port or protocol. > > Oh and one more thing to mention, if the PC is behind a router/switch, > you will need to use port forwarding, I have actually seen smart cable > modems too that have a port forwarding service in them also. Basically > this tells the router to accept the connection and forward it to the > appropriate IP / port on the other side. You basically have an outside > interface with a public IP that needs to translate into your private, > most likely 192.168.1.XXX:4600 address. > > Again, in Ubuntu I really like the Term Services / RDP client they > built in, it really is smooth. VNC is cool to, but its flakey and can > be a security concern, even moreso then RDP, but that’s another > discussion altogether. > > Take Care! > > Eric Brace > > *From:* slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] *On Behalf Of *William Coulter > *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 9:28 PM > *To:* slug@nks.net > *Subject:* Re: [SLUG] VNC question > > I have not been able to get RDP to work for me. I don't know or I > can't figure out what I was doing wrong. I could give it a try again > but I don't expect much from it by me. > > By going the VNC option, if I have tightvnc viewer on my PC, then how > do I have control over the XP? (This is what I mean as I don't have a > clue of what I am doing.) > > William > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Eric Brace > wrote: > > You could use RDP, Ubuntu comes with a really nice TS clone for RDP. > > If your going to use the VNC option, install the UltraVNC server piece > on the XP boxes and then install the tight VNC viewer on Ubuntu. > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, William Coulter > > wrote: > > Ok, I have been reading from both web sites about ultravnc and > tightvnc and I am not sure which one I should use. I don't do this > in my daily work so this is strange and different to me. What I am > trying to do remote control a family PC at another house. I run > ubuntu linux but they all run XP. Both vnc's are cross plat form > but why do some people use ultravnc over tightvnc and vice-a-versa? > > Thanks, > William > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 12:48:36 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HmavG008193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:48:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23HmaJv008192 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:48:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HmanL008188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:48:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HmYIc005357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:48:35 -0500 Received: from smtp.mathey.org (smtp.mathey.org [75.127.87.202]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23HdJk3011749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:39:19 -0500 Received: from localhost (smtp.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745078403B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:39:18 -0600 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from smtp.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0b8NE+NKwmMY for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:39:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from [10.1.1.25] (pool-71-180-228-130.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.180.228.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D10684037 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:39:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47CC3779.1090601@mathey.org> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:38:01 -0500 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: smtp.mathey.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.318, required 6, AWL -3.06, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, TW_CF 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Donald E Haselwood wrote: > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > > I've googled backing up and tried various variations of the following, all > with no success: > Suse 10.3's Yast backup > cp -a > rsync -a > tar -cfz > > I got an external 500GB drive, and set up three partitions: one for mac, fat > for win, ext3 for linux. > > I've tried so many things that I can't present a concise problem, though the > most common one seems to be running out of disk space. ('umount'ing all > partitions except the source & destination solved one problem.) > > Very time consuming "experiments", i.e. hours per trial. > > I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the next > step is recovery, but that comes later). > > Don I have been using http://www.mondorescue.org/ for about a year now. Pretty much blows away everything else that I have tried. You can do a live backup of the system. I exclude mysql db's though for obvious reasons. Check it out, it will wow you :) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 13:11:42 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IBgWK008414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:11:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23IBgOi008413 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:11:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IBfYo008409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:11:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IBgFR007228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:11:42 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23Ha9mD006843 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:36:09 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX600D5P0IG5X70@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:27:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:28:41 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system In-reply-to: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-HELO: vms042pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.525, required 6, AWL -2.23, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_80 2.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? What I do is (in effect) cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb (but I use dd and vary the block size to see what's fastest). My drives run at about 30 MB/s (so the process takes apout an hour), though of course that'll vary with your drives. You can do cat /dev/hda > /mnt/temp/backup-file or even gzip -9 < /dev/hda > /mnt/temp/backup-file.gz but then you're reducing ease of access in favor of being able to use the drive for other things too. If you've got a lot of incompressible data (mp3, wmv/mpg/divx) it'll use lots of CPU cycles for little gain too. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 13:45:49 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IjnZG008750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:45:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23IjnRj008749 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:45:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IjnSh008745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:45:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IjlVH010063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:45:49 -0500 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IdmcT011821 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:39:49 -0500 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so261451wfg.1 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:39:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Ca6UOcQjptkwl90N1hFm0c0tuvenhZUtCQM3z6ddbpE=; b=obhe3623Nr+Y7dXV9TqJxMChzkcbGkeTETmel4bPDaJ5vdaUdp0YIjXGROd++A87Sz7I3bmiDsszE7uv00grUaHSznSQkxs3kuNCumGIzBv9jgP4h6YqrY/XGJlr9+BEntqf59//WsSLIgx1KiMJpfZWZW88Pnj9+ifWcEbWZPw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lYHuHlOTYyXUVeyvvB6FjpMyGQkYKgLsael+A0z5Lokr4Jx0bU57IJ/BVcrz4zyYMefMGBCPK6HT1KHMJYCitLzevqob0kk/Kk3lJsuzHjjdqAZ76ImNrwvHSO/nESOWf/byn2C9m4aXccgGaAxHlKqIcuYibBeEa4ief0xXtjc= Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr287806wfh.17.1204569588103; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.199.4 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:39:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1e01a6fd0803031039m1f69d531xa0b0a20308d898ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:39:48 -0500 From: "Eric Brace" To: slug@nks.net Subject: {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: [SLUG] VNC question In-Reply-To: <47CC3598.7090306@runithard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13678_8536558.1204569588109" References: <1e01a6fd0802291312x15499381y46777e20a615f5de@mail.gmail.com> <47ca0416.0c35640a.07e9.ffff8ad0@mx.google.com> <47CC3598.7090306@runithard.com> X-HELO: wf-out-1314.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.804, required 6, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAD_STRING_gmail_PUNCdot_com 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, BP_haveaPCwithinternetaccess 0.25, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_34 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR 0.28, TW_TV 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_13678_8536558.1204569588109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You know I was going to mention the SSH aspect but I figured keeping it simple was the best choice. and sometimes yes you have to be a little crazy and throw in the -C. madness! ;) On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Matthew Rogers wrote: > If you use SSH.... > > LOCAL PORT: TARGET HOST(CAN BE A DIFF MACHINE ON THE NETWORK) : TARGET > HOST PORT > > ssh -L 5555:localhost:5900 whoever@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX > > and then VNC to 127.0.0.01:5555 you can tunnel > your VNC over ssh @ 256 > bit encryption. That's what I do for RDP(port 3389) and VNC. I don't > like risking losing my logins and even with RDP 48bit encryption is > better than plain text but it's still kinda smelly. > > If you REALLY want to get crazy throw a -C in there to turn on > compression and you should see better performance on a tight bandwidth > connection. > > > FYI: Change Halt at work today.... bored, heh ;-) > > --Matthew Rogers > > > Eric Brace wrote: > > > > Basically the VNC relationship works in a viewer / server fashion. You > > install the server piece on a computer that you need to have remote > > access. You use the viewer on the computer you are going to use to > > connect to the remote pc. A few considerations, is the XP box behind a > > firewall? Does the XP box have its firewall on, if so you need to open > > the appropriate ports for the VNC apps to work. On the Ubuntu box you > > will need to install the viewer portion and make sure that if any > > firewalls are up on your side that the appropriate ports are open as > well. > > > > RDP, can be enabled on XP by right clicking on my computer, selecting > > the remote tab and then checking off the allow users to remotely > > connect to this computer. Again make sure you punch a hole in any > > firewall for this port or protocol. > > > > Oh and one more thing to mention, if the PC is behind a router/switch, > > you will need to use port forwarding, I have actually seen smart cable > > modems too that have a port forwarding service in them also. Basically > > this tells the router to accept the connection and forward it to the > > appropriate IP / port on the other side. You basically have an outside > > interface with a public IP that needs to translate into your private, > > most likely 192.168.1.XXX:4600 address. > > > > Again, in Ubuntu I really like the Term Services / RDP client they > > built in, it really is smooth. VNC is cool to, but its flakey and can > > be a security concern, even moreso then RDP, but that's another > > discussion altogether. > > > > Take Care! > > > > Eric Brace > > > > *From:* slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] *On Behalf Of *William > Coulter > > *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 9:28 PM > > *To:* slug@nks.net > > *Subject:* Re: [SLUG] VNC question > > > > I have not been able to get RDP to work for me. I don't know or I > > can't figure out what I was doing wrong. I could give it a try again > > but I don't expect much from it by me. > > > > By going the VNC option, if I have tightvnc viewer on my PC, then how > > do I have control over the XP? (This is what I mean as I don't have a > > clue of what I am doing.) > > > > William > > > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Eric Brace > > wrote: > > > > You could use RDP, Ubuntu comes with a really nice TS clone for RDP. > > > > If your going to use the VNC option, install the UltraVNC server piece > > on the XP boxes and then install the tight VNC viewer on Ubuntu. > > > > On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, William Coulter > > > wrote: > > > > Ok, I have been reading from both web sites about ultravnc and > > tightvnc and I am not sure which one I should use. I don't do this > > in my daily work so this is strange and different to me. What I am > > trying to do remote control a family PC at another house. I run > > ubuntu linux but they all run XP. Both vnc's are cross plat form > > but why do some people use ultravnc over tightvnc and vice-a-versa? > > > > Thanks, > > William > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ------=_Part_13678_8536558.1204569588109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You know I was going to mention the SSH aspect but I figured keeping it simple was the best choice. and sometimes yes you have to be a little crazy and throw in the -C. madness! ;)

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Matthew Rogers <matt@runithard.com> wrote:
If you use SSH....

LOCAL PORT: TARGET HOST(CAN BE A DIFF MACHINE ON THE NETWORK) : TARGET
HOST PORT

ssh -L 5555:localhost:5900 whoever@XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX

and then VNC to MailAssistant has detected a possible fraud attempt from "127.0.0.1:5555" claiming to be 127.0.0.01:5555 you can tunnel your VNC over ssh @ 256
bit encryption. That's what I do for RDP(port 3389) and VNC. I don't
like risking losing my logins and even with RDP 48bit encryption is
better than plain text but it's still kinda smelly.

If you REALLY want to get crazy throw a -C in there to turn on
compression and you should see better performance on a tight bandwidth
connection.


FYI: Change Halt at work today.... bored, heh ;-)

--Matthew Rogers


Eric Brace wrote:
>
> Basically the VNC relationship works in a viewer / server fashion. You
> install the server piece on a computer that you need to have remote
> access. You use the viewer on the computer you are going to use to
> connect to the remote pc. A few considerations, is the XP box behind a
> firewall? Does the XP box have its firewall on, if so you need to open
> the appropriate ports for the VNC apps to work. On the Ubuntu box you
> will need to install the viewer portion and make sure that if any
> firewalls are up on your side that the appropriate ports are open as well.
>
> RDP, can be enabled on XP by right clicking on my computer, selecting
> the remote tab and then checking off the allow users to remotely
> connect to this computer. Again make sure you punch a hole in any
> firewall for this port or protocol.
>
> Oh and one more thing to mention, if the PC is behind a router/switch,
> you will need to use port forwarding, I have actually seen smart cable
> modems too that have a port forwarding service in them also. Basically
> this tells the router to accept the connection and forward it to the
> appropriate IP / port on the other side. You basically have an outside
> interface with a public IP that needs to translate into your private,
> most likely 192.168.1.XXX:4600 address.
>
> Again, in Ubuntu I really like the Term Services / RDP client they
> built in, it really is smooth. VNC is cool to, but its flakey and can
> be a security concern, even moreso then RDP, but that's another
> discussion altogether.
>
> Take Care!
>
> Eric Brace
>
> *From:* slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] *On Behalf Of *William Coulter
> *Sent:* Friday, February 29, 2008 9:28 PM
> *To:* slug@nks.net
> *Subject:* Re: [SLUG] VNC question
>
> I have not been able to get RDP to work for me. I don't know or I
> can't figure out what I was doing wrong. I could give it a try again
> but I don't expect much from it by me.
>
> By going the VNC option, if I have tightvnc viewer on my PC, then how
> do I have control over the XP? (This is what I mean as I don't have a
> clue of what I am doing.)
>
> William
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Eric Brace <eric.brace@gmail.com
> <mailto:eric.brace@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> You could use RDP, Ubuntu comes with a really nice TS clone for RDP.
>
> If your going to use the VNC option, install the UltraVNC server piece
> on the XP boxes and then install the tight VNC viewer on Ubuntu.
>
> On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 3:52 PM, William Coulter
> <wrcoulter33@gmail.com <mailto:wrcoulter33@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ok, I have been reading from both web sites about ultravnc and
>     tightvnc and I am not sure which one I should use. I don't do this
>     in my daily work so this is strange and different to me. What I am
>     trying to do remote control a family PC at another house. I run
>     ubuntu linux but they all run XP. Both vnc's are cross plat form
>     but why do some people use ultravnc over tightvnc and vice-a-versa?
>
>     Thanks,
>     William
>
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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 13:59:31 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IxVNo008836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:59:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23IxV01008835 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:59:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IxUmo008831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:59:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IxUmf011105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:59:30 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23IB7oh013413 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:11:07 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX60036B2BLBMC0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:06:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:07:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual monitors in X In-reply-to: <47CC3385.4000105@runithard.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47CC3385.4000105@runithard.com> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.899, required 6, AWL -3.51, BAYES_99 3.50, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> OK, my two monitors (one DVI, one VGA) work fine hanging off one card. >> Everything seems hunky-dory EXCEPT the left monitor (DVI, X monitor #1 I >> think) doesn't participate in xscreensaver's displays. It goes black (and >> not a fade like the other one either) and stays that way. I've tried both >> Twinview alone, and with Xinerama added (I think that's what it is; >> nvidia-settings was involved), same deal. (Philosophically, I prefer >> Xinerama alone, because if I change video card brands, it still works.) ... >> It doesn't do that. What did I do wrong? > I've had LOTS of issues running 2 monitors. I've used NVIDIAS settings tool > which made enabling the both a snap but I couldn't have one with a 16/9 and > another with 4/3 aspect ratio. So obviously, running a 16/9 1680x1050 monitor > at 1280x1024 looked like garbage so I chucked the old 17 inch and went > exclusively to this 22 inch @ 1680x1050. > > Are both of your monitors the same aspect ratio? Yup, both 1600x1200. > BTW, I didn't get the screen > saver to work either, I just set power management to power them down after 11 > minutes and it worked on both. I figured the LCD backlight only has so many > hours of life, your better off just to shut it off. Yeah, it does that. It would just be neat to have xscreensaver work the way it says it will. BTW, I tweaked /etc/X11/xorg.conf. In the process of de-generifying the Identifers, I discovered that there are two video cards defined: Section "Device" Identifier "Geforce7600" # originally "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "GeForce 7600 GS" BusID "PCI:5:0:0" Screen 0 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard1" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "GeForce 7600 GS" BusID "PCI:5:0:0" Screen 1 EndSection There's really only one video card. Is there some way to combine these? I have a sneaking suspicion that's related to xscreensaver's problem. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 14:08:51 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23J8oL1008967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23J8oqK008966 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23J8ovO008962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23J8oET012294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:50 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23J8378027897 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:08:03 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([96.228.193.174]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX600L6Q55AH5J0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:07:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:07:57 -0500 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803031407.57605.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-7.921, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.58, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, WGL_dhaselwood_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 03 March 2008 12:28, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > > What I do is (in effect) > > cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb > > (but I use dd and vary the block size to see what's fastest). My drives > run at about 30 MB/s (so the process takes apout an hour), though of course > that'll vary with your drives. You can do > > cat /dev/hda > /mnt/temp/backup-file > > or even > > gzip -9 < /dev/hda > /mnt/temp/backup-file.gz > > but then you're reducing ease of access in favor of being able to use the > drive for other things too. If you've got a lot of incompressible data > (mp3, wmv/mpg/divx) it'll use lots of CPU cycles for little gain too. Thanks! Enough new ideas to keep me busy "for a while" ;) BTW, thinking of restoring-- Can raid be mounted from a "live" CD? I haven't been able to mount a raid1 (i.e. /md0 on my setup) from a "live" CD (Knoppix, or Suse10.3 live). mount asks for file type and I haven't found anything that gets it mounted. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 15:28:19 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23KSJDu009706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:28:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23KSJPr009705 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:28:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23KSJX6009701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:28:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23KSJd8018172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:28:20 -0500 Received: from randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (balanced.mail.policyd.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23KHYCv028117 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:17:35 -0500 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (rrcs-24-73-199-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.199.62]) by randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8794DEF231 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:17:33 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual monitors in X Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:17:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <47CC3385.4000105@runithard.com> In-Reply-To: <47CC3385.4000105@runithard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803031517.32140.steve@szmidt.org> X-HELO: randymail-a9.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.877, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.13, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_steve_Pat_szmidt_Pdo_org -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 03 March 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Are both of your monitors the same aspect ratio? BTW, I didn't get the > screen saver to work either, I just set power management to power them > down after 11 minutes and it worked on both. I figured the LCD backlight > only has so many hours of life, your better off just to shut it off. One of mine is running 1600x1200 and the other is 1440x900. The second is to the right of the left and I have to choose to align it either with the top or the bottom. I have KDE shut off the monitors after an hour. They are in Xinerama mode. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 17:55:44 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23MtiAE010896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:55:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23Mtiu8010895 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:55:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23MthIs010891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:55:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23MthaC027341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:55:43 -0500 Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.190]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23MswF2015603 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:54:58 -0500 Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n29so238854gve.42 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:54:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=titsykwxhSrsc0UfEJn+jHgTnq9kIosiyTbyWkbYUZ4=; b=k/nYCgd5ZYRPzeByyNhgGLrV0vi5vOG5XEg2U9UMQhsZ4ZEtxledEl7RJs5+VHRzXOEEPnix11XF7qoa+ahu+pF3hBZ8PrfabX6t0GTBiNmCm11QjLWaumugNVi7S2DHo62RGxvQK8NMMgxxi9wImtmcNrtfzE7GphRa7z6thv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tVn1TZMAztvVpHzYG4hWjI5Uljw/Q8kNtQEt1k0jSM0klQNdOl8V5wrtSYjdRlHPiWhUSsizOuBOZOXINaP4BPsRn16vk/4U0wY4iPyYWPoZJtzRdVq2wOTgT8vfgS0zVbPxFNuLHGJTdlgym2jnzOZbOujNu/JVtn6dAB8E8hQ= Received: by 10.114.15.1 with SMTP id 1mr971717wao.27.1204584897168; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.203.11 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:54:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:54:57 -0500 From: "William Coulter" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] VNC question In-Reply-To: <47CC3598.7090306@runithard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1511_6992313.1204584897137" References: <1e01a6fd0802291312x15499381y46777e20a615f5de@mail.gmail.com> <47ca0416.0c35640a.07e9.ffff8ad0@mx.google.com> <47CC3598.7090306@runithard.com> X-HELO: gv-out-0910.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.167, required 6, BAYES_40 -0.18, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_1511_6992313.1204584897137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wanted to say thanks for all the answers, and options. I will try and works on some of this stuff over the next weekend. It looks to be rainy and a little more cooler weather for Paintball. William ------=_Part_1511_6992313.1204584897137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wanted to say thanks for all the answers, and options.  I will try and works on some of this stuff over the next weekend.  It looks to be rainy and a little more cooler weather for Paintball.

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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 18:52:02 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23Nq1ZC011400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:52:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m23Nq18h011399 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:52:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23Nq1Ku011391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:52:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23NpxgW030813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:52:00 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m23NpB7b029620 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:51:11 -0500 Received: from [192.168.15.2] (really [97.97.237.9]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080303235109.YSBW5388.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.15.2]>; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 23:51:09 +0000 Message-ID: <47CC8EEC.6010104@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:51:08 +0000 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080212 SeaMonkey/1.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.962, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.31, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, WGL_ka4inm_Pat_tampabay_Pdo_rr_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? I always have 2 or 3 bootable hard drives * in my confuser at the same time, I copy my word processor stuff to the second drive and everything else important to the third. I was just given an old "new 1 X DVD-RAM drive + 1 disk" and as soon as I find some more I will back up everything to them. I use mc as my backup tool. (copy then overwrite none) * I always have two recovery drives ready in case I do something stupid again. Slackware 12 an all. (I would not back up any system in any way.) -- Ron KA4INM - What do you mean, you don't bother with the golden rule? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 20:54:48 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m241smjg012416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:54:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m241sm4E012415 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:54:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m241smjo012411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:54:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m241sllf004977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:54:47 -0500 Received: from randymail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m241sKrD019734 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:54:20 -0500 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (rrcs-24-73-199-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.199.62]) by randymail-a11.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D1C109E8B for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:54:14 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 20:54:12 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803032054.12819.steve@szmidt.org> X-HELO: randymail-a11.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.353, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.01, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_steve_Pat_szmidt_Pdo_org -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 03 March 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the > next step is recovery, but that comes later). > > Don I never back up the whole thing as it's too easy to just reinstall from scratch. My main production machine is running RAID as does the backup server. Then I use rsync to backup data files and personal settings. For windows you can just use dd from Linux, or Ghost. On windows it takes a really long time to get back to where you were, but in Linux the install is fast. I looked on how often I loose drives vs how much it "cost" to backup everything. For me that was an easy decision. If I lose a drive per year, which I don't, then comparing that with space used and maybe delays while backup is running that adds up to a lot more waste than the occasional install. Plus I usually want to put a new distro on the failing machine at that point. rsync runs once an hour on each machine. I don't backup stuff that I can d/l unless it's really hard to get. Especially iso's. The internet is a better storage place for programs than I want my backup server to be. I do d/l iso's and programs that I keep in a directory, but rsync is told to stay away. Of course CDs and DVDs have been made of iso's I like. (Adding up to hundreds so I can install RH from the last century if I could find a reason. The backup server uses high end drives and is running s/w RAID 6 so that I can use any computer without worrying about h/w RAID issues. (Which has two stripes and is more resilient to drive failures.) Recovering a backup is almost more important than the backup, as the first is kinda useless without the 2nd need. All I do is make my new install and then copy the backup of /home (which also contains a backup of /etc) to the new drive and all is well again. At the most I loose 1 hour of work. Now for critical stuff I recommend using a couple of standalone drives like a NAS. You can use it to keep an off line storage, to avoid disaster during the lightning season. Being off line is important as the shock can blow out every single computer you have. I knew an office which had two buildings. Lightning hit between two buildings and fried all 20+ computers. That was not even a direct hit. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 21:28:01 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242S0Zq012753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:28:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m242S0Di012752 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:28:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242S0oa012748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:28:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242Rvpc007118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:27:59 -0500 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242KIM2017895 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:20:19 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX600L9IP5IPBQ1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:20:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:20:55 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system In-reply-to: <200803032054.12819.steve@szmidt.org> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200803032054.12819.steve@szmidt.org> X-HELO: vms046pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.223, required 6, AWL -1.57, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, steve szmidt wrote: > On Monday 03 March 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: >> What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > >> I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the >> next step is recovery, but that comes later). >> >> Don > > I never back up the whole thing as it's too easy to just reinstall from > scratch. Don't you have data you'd like to keep? > For windows you can just use dd from Linux, or Ghost. > > On windows it takes a really long time to get back to where you were, but in > Linux the install is fast. If you do the installation, sure. Anc "fast" is relative. But they take the same time if you do "dd". > I looked on how often I loose drives vs how much > it "cost" to backup everything. Costs me nothing as I do the backup when I'm sleeping anyhow. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 21:39:11 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242dBZZ012829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:39:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m242dBkg012828 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:39:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242dBY7012824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:39:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242cv1n007515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:39:11 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242cUN1012601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:38:30 -0500 Received: from [74.4.48.117] (helo=cthulhu) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JWN2x-0008VM-Bg for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:38:27 -0500 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system From: Logan Tygart To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <200803032054.12819.steve@szmidt.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-lIP71wXX1R8KCaanF0s9" Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:38:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1204598306.20342.11.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-HELO: alex.gatortech.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-10.033, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_05 -1.11, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_AV 0.08, WGL_thelogan_Pat_allyourbase_Pda_arebelongto_Pdo_ -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-lIP71wXX1R8KCaanF0s9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 21:20 -0500, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, steve szmidt wrote: >=20 > > On Monday 03 March 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > >> What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > > I never back up the whole thing as it's too easy to just reinstall from > > scratch. >=20 > Don't you have data you'd like to keep? I have two HD's in my work station, at home. One drive is for use, the other is mounted as /backup. I set my crontab to do this: 1 0 * * * root rsync -avz --delete /home/ /backup Which copies the /home directory to /backup and deletes any files that were deleted from /home, one minute after midnight, every night. I used to only run this weekly. Your cron job may vary. Logan --=20 I've seen these high-tech Japanese toilets before on TV. -- Matt Moen, SLUG= List Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-lIP71wXX1R8KCaanF0s9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHzLYi3OecGqSbkyMRAhEZAJ0RLqBnWdCw4/lvG4hz5OlY8FkOigCeKdpQ AOvxhdgqNCg6rn27iOQghQk= =bqoO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-lIP71wXX1R8KCaanF0s9-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 21:45:45 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242jjBG012897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:45:45 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m242jjPB012896 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:45:45 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242jjXT012892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:45:45 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242jiUu007757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:45:44 -0500 Received: from randymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-202.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m242jLb9012305 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:45:21 -0500 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (rrcs-24-73-199-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.199.62]) by randymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D97B18DAB3 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 21:45:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <200803032054.12819.steve@szmidt.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803032145.19447.steve@szmidt.org> X-HELO: randymail-a1.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-7.657, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.71, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_60 1.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_steve_Pat_szmidt_Pdo_org -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 03 March 2008, Eben King wrote: > > I never back up the whole thing as it's too easy to just reinstall from > > scratch. > Don't you have data you'd like to keep? Of course, and I use rsync for that. > > On windows it takes a really long time to get back to where you were, but > > in Linux the install is fast. > > If you do the installation, sure. Anc "fast" is relative. But they take > the same time if you do "dd". Yes it's relative, which I say it's fast. You look at a system going down with a failed drive. You are never going to recover in 5 minutes. Of course with some stuff you can just leave the data on a server and you are back up after the same failure inside 15-30 minutes. > > I looked on how often I loose drives vs how much > > it "cost" to backup everything. > > Costs me nothing as I do the backup when I'm sleeping anyhow. Sure it does. It always costs you space and wear and tear. Plus more electricity. Which is what I mean by cost. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 3 22:52:13 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m243qDRP013445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:52:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m243qDAE013444 for slug-track29; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:52:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m243qC9f013440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:52:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m243qCnA011387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:52:12 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m243ouf9028403 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:50:56 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([96.228.193.174]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX600EWZT7JWA6E@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:47:43 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:50:33 -0500 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803032250.33944.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200803031139.46328.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <200803032054.12819.steve@szmidt.org> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 X-HELO: vms173003pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-6.741, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_43 0.60, WGL_dhaselwood_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 03 March 2008 21:20, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, steve szmidt wrote: > > On Monday 03 March 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > >> What is a good way to backup the entire linux system? > >> > >> I was wondering how Slug'ers are doing system backups (and of course the > >> next step is recovery, but that comes later). > >> > >> Don > > > > I never back up the whole thing as it's too easy to just reinstall from > > scratch. > > Don't you have data you'd like to keep? > I view it as several "levels of backup". At top end are personal data that would not be possible to reconstruct. That gets multiple rolling backups of various kinds. At the low end is the OS which can be easily reloaded. The part where saving the whole system is handy is all that stuff inbetween where it *can* be reconstructed/reinstalled but it takes a lot of time and effort (partly because I've forgotten some of the details and have to go through the learning process again). Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 4 13:02:58 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24I2w83021172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:02:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m24I2wLr021171 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:02:58 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24I2vVi021167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:02:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-14.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-14.nks.net [209.34.225.214]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24I2vLD020975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:02:57 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (balanced.mail.policyd.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-14.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24Hwo8L013704 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:58:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (rrcs-67-78-3-246.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.3.246]) by postalmail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38324C18D; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:58:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:58:57 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: pup@possumism.net, slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Fwd: [Tbad] tampabad.org problems Message-ID: <20080304175857.GA3532@mani.r-stream.com> Mail-Followup-To: pup@possumism.net, slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Uptime: 15:51:26 up 4 days, 5:08, 1 user, load average: 0.72, 0.60, 0.61 Reply-By: Sat Mar 1 12:56:25 EST 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a3.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.023, required 6, AWL -6.48, BAD_STRING_tinyurl_PUNCdot_com 2.00, BAD_WORD_bingo 0.10, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Forwarded message from Matt Moen ----- From: Matt Moen To: tbad Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:17:18 -0500 Subject: [Tbad] tampabad.org problems You may have noticed that tampabad.org has been experiencing some availability issues. It may experience more problems before next Thursday, so I'm including a copy of the meeting announcement below for your convenience: Mamma Mia! TBAD is upon us again. A time of Debian (and Debian-related) socialization, this time in the presence of the Pope's head! On March 6th, we'll be gathering around the Pope's head at 8PM at Buca di Beppo in Brandon. (Google Map: http://tinyurl.com/2vwjtm) So pop into the Pope's room for pasta, parmesan, and prosciutto and pontificate with Debian (and Ubuntu, etc.) partisans about packaging philosophy, penguins, and anything else that piques your person, paisano! -- Matthew Moen _______________________________________________ Tbad mailing list Tbad@tampabad.org http://tampabad.org/mailman/listinfo/tbad_tampabad.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Keep grandma off the streets -- legalize bingo. - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 4 18:51:56 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24NpuFr024170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:51:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m24NpuEj024169 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:51:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24Npurp024165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:51:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24Npu49017487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:51:56 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m24NpPuv002590 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:51:25 -0500 Received: from gateway-solo ([71.101.113.147]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX800MR8D2DZ7K0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:54:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:54:03 -0500 From: Pete Theisen Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [Tbad] tampabad.org problems In-reply-to: <20080304175857.GA3532@mani.r-stream.com> To: pup@possumism.net, slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803041854.04090.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <20080304175857.GA3532@mani.r-stream.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.3 X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-6.52, required 6, AWL -5.83, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 04 March 2008 12:58, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Mamma Mia! > > TBAD is upon us again. A time of Debian (and Debian-related) > socialization, this time in the presence of the Pope's head! Hi Guys! Pope's head? Do you mean that the room features a portrait of one of the popes? -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 4 20:36:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m251aD3I025146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:36:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m251aDEv025145 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:36:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m251aDEE025141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:36:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m251aCmV024291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:36:12 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m251Z7Ad019734 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:35:07 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX80090GHQ850B0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:35:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [Tbad] tampabad.org problems In-reply-to: <200803041854.04090.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <200803041854.04090.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.551, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -1.55, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 12:58, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >> Mamma Mia! >> >> TBAD is upon us again. A time of Debian (and Debian-related) >> socialization, this time in the presence of the Pope's head! > > Pope's head? Do you mean that the room features a portrait of one of the > popes? And which one? I couldn't recognize any but JPII. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Drive nail here > < for new monitor. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 4 21:09:12 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2529CHd025445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:09:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2529C2e025444 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:09:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2529CPG025440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:09:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2529FCo026536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:09:15 -0500 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2527oeD030607 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:07:51 -0500 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so1795693pyi.13 for ; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:07:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=ySJTZC/beamR7VnUJODZxl1JlIPxBo6ItiN04vopRUw=; b=MGAK+uwLewBT3doHXfiXMM2IdY4yWe+mRSz0bUomD8a6rDxxvHj+FflW8AKrD2tP4AbRQPR0sz3s5Q0glpUnajjDddYp3anmLAVHs/B9IkvV0PhXNbEvS68f+s7SoTNLi4YZ9USaIRTvpCSGL0zp5E1E/S8/eiDfIFELWl6i+gQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=CdhyufQIXdoLsQq1HEJUVfXtlTHh1sB6zCBnQCKq42DdgvVbpsataEh16q77DU674bhofGgbIv+wKeDRgeLFjK/Gc5M/Bwyifm4fo+z40sZeqXasZKrI4NNX+lyKypTGZXJLONYE0vpi6A500RGka4otks/crJL4LNguENSsaJE= Received: by 10.100.119.17 with SMTP id r17mr5176953anc.42.1204682870053; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b19sm922182ana.18.2008.03.04.18.07.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 04 Mar 2008 18:07:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47CDFAE2.10407@alienscience.com> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:44:02 -0500 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] dual monitors in X References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: py-out-1112.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.25, required 6, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > OK, my two monitors (one DVI, one VGA) work fine hanging off one card. > Everything seems hunky-dory EXCEPT the left monitor (DVI, X monitor #1 > I think) doesn't participate in xscreensaver's displays. It goes > black (and not a fade like the other one either) and stays that way. > I've tried both Twinview alone, and with Xinerama added (I think > that's what it is; nvidia-settings was involved), same deal. > (Philosophically, I prefer Xinerama alone, because if I change video > card brands, it still works.) > > I have "mode: random-same" in ~/.xscreensaver and xscreensaver(1) says: > > ,-- > | mode (class Mode) > | Controls the behavior of xscreensaver. Legal values are: > ... > | random-same > | Like random, but if there are multiple screens, each > | screen will run the same random display mode, instead > | of each screen running a different one. > '-- > > It doesn't do that. What did I do wrong? > I was reading through this, and I think this may be of some help: http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/changelog.html /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 4 21:27:42 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m252Rgjp025639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:27:42 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m252RgZs025638 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:27:42 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m252RgHw025634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:27:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m252RdGH027702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:27:39 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-145.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.145]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m252RB7I014770 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:27:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (174-191.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com [97.97.191.174]) by postalmail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB7611F99A; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 18:27:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:28:59 -0500 From: Dylan William Hardison To: pup@possumism.net, slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [Tbad] tampabad.org problems Message-ID: <20080305022859.GA10578@saga> Mail-Followup-To: pup@possumism.net, slug@nks.net References: <20080304175857.GA3532@mani.r-stream.com> <200803041854.04090.petetheisen@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200803041854.04090.petetheisen@verizon.net> X-Uptime: 8:25pm up 15 days 5:54, 0 users, load average: 0.31, 0.30, 0.20 Reply-By: Sat Mar 1 21:26:51 EST 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-HELO: postalmail-a4.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.019, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Pete Theisen on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 at 06:54PM -0500: > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 12:58, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > > > Mamma Mia! > > > > TBAD is upon us again. A time of Debian (and Debian-related) > > socialization, this time in the presence of the Pope's head! > > Hi Guys! > > Pope's head? Do you mean that the room features a portrait of one of the > popes? Yes. The pope's head, on a lazy susan. In the middle of the table. I think it's a bust. -- I'm sure that that could be indented more readably, but I'm scared of the awk parser. -- Larry Wall - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 4 23:19:44 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m254JijT026625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:19:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m254JiFN026624 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:19:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m254Jiit026620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:19:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m254JidC003024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:19:44 -0500 Received: from web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.211]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id m254JFkd030151 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:19:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 52573 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2008 04:19:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AMqL/LzGSWr35yMKzPQQcgPv07in+uJtYGap1g/R9nocbpevF7W69FGbNibD/Foy2JnKWyQ7AgBaPWD9e9iyvAiJtbzchj+xoVizqFeXnIm1oCshMoR/D1DjFhaBAPIAlgmr8V1FEVUnT+Mv94QVr/wpnGuiTzkyn4uW/B+AwVk=; X-YMail-OSG: UxlF68wVM1lf.uppQTrFgemTJpspu0IzO.EpQyjyNk8iJcntN4DAi4EyuAaJA41nqwXCsavqiGmYI0T1OrpikBJBAMwtlPhQp4EF5_ouk3PVLQ-- Received: from [71.100.85.128] by web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:19:14 PST Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Mark Banschbach, SFO" Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [Tbad] tampabad.org problems To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20080305022859.GA10578@saga> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <145691.51551.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-HELO: web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-7.602, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAD_STRING_System 0.75, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS 1.45, WGL_mrbear37_Pat_yahoo_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Dylan, Long time .... can you explain a bit more about this meeting.. being a long time debianista and derivitive-ista.. I find this interesting ! And the purpose of the Holy Fathers Head in the middle of the room would be ???? --- Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake Pete Theisen on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 at > 06:54PM -0500: > > On Tuesday 04 March 2008 12:58, Dylan William > Hardison wrote: > > > > > Mamma Mia! > > > > > > TBAD is upon us again. A time of Debian (and > Debian-related) > > > socialization, this time in the presence of the > Pope's head! > > > > Hi Guys! > > > > Pope's head? Do you mean that the room features a > portrait of one of the > > popes? > > Yes. The pope's head, on a lazy susan. In the middle > of the table. > I think it's a bust. > > > -- > I'm sure that that could be indented more readably, > but I'm scared of > the awk parser. > -- Larry Wall > - > GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 > 0EA6 712E BBE1 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet > service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions > expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not > necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its > employees. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 4 23:38:17 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m254cHW9026773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:38:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m254cHiS026772 for slug-track29; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:38:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m254cHsG026768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:38:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m254cHvO004023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:38:17 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m254bRQb025639 for ; Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:37:27 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JX80045RQ65RYM0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:37:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fwd: [Tbad] tampabad.org problems In-reply-to: <145691.51551.qm@web52608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.082, required 6, AWL -1.83, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Mark Banschbach, SFO wrote: > --- Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >> Spake Pete Theisen on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 at >> 06:54PM -0500: >>> On Tuesday 04 March 2008 12:58, Dylan William >>> Hardison wrote: >>> >>>> Mamma Mia! >>>> >>>> TBAD is upon us again. A time of Debian (and Debian-related) >>>> socialization, this time in the presence of the Pope's head! >>> >>> Hi Guys! >>> >>> Pope's head? Do you mean that the room features a portrait of one of the >>> popes? >> >> Yes. The pope's head, on a lazy susan. In the middle of the table. >> I think it's a bust. > And the purpose of the Holy Fathers Head in the middle > of the room would be ???? Buca is an Italian-themed restaurant. Stereotypes (maybe reality too?) say Italians are heavily Roman Catholic. The Pope is head of the Roman Catholic Church. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 > A: It's annoying as hell > Q: Why do most people hate top-posting? -- Lots42 The Library Avenger http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 5 13:46:44 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25IkiLE001994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:46:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m25IkiXp001993 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:46:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25IkhPu001989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:46:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25Ikh9O026007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:46:43 -0500 Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.241]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25IhDes004791 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:43:13 -0500 Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so1182126hsn.13 for ; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:43:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=2mACZxsExfmxNXnc1jva0LnuPhGNFL0lv3FkSYlYrMQ=; b=Kb5PiMLsYdSS/Z/DP5hwEC71/6t1i+ej/+pJ7rfWmWZ2zNPSsT2v5+a/8WyetNwzZdCrei3BY4JTAM6UrONRFVHGUnlr01NLaNLreJPhLeMqvV0E5zUNp3fD8F6MnjsRTqrAe/rgS9yarGcL96jnJ7qf5qzcfhDulk/vP3S8r3I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=HRgyxp6t7qO8grqZzJverYw8Ai3ITHv1ESGaWmw402M0DXaFHxHNBTKO7PRQ6erOuHs2Twx9uiAxXMxqNxEq8E7Oi3SvTnaTjtEvZNsFIHHhPDkz/ZUTf9bWuiZRtlQ6Q9NVx8bgqzp5BMD3PocZnwb18Vgdh5R7Fj4js50eoDk= Received: by 10.100.37.20 with SMTP id k20mr869497ank.57.1204742592569; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b7sm2529528ana.5.2008.03.05.10.43.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:43:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47CEE9BC.7020608@alienscience.com> Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:43:08 -0500 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] speaker tonight: in10did patented 10-key keyboard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hs-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.081, required 6, AWL -0.33, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Local inventor and nutty professor, Wayne Rasenen, will be doing about 30-minutes at tonight's Tampa meeting. Wayne has traveled to our homeland, Finland ;) and many other places to present this device. He is also looking for people to help with the software development on this gadget. You can learn more about him and in10did here: http://in10did.com/ Also, let me know if any of you want to speak about something and how much time you'll need. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 5 18:31:50 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25NVoLm004588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:31:50 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m25NVoLf004587 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:31:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25NVn9L004583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:31:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25NVnwE019474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:31:49 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25ML6bv005978 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:21:07 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXA005Q031TI4N8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:13:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] sources.list messed up? X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:00:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2600dx2004846 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:00:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2600cZH004842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:00:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2600cJ0021580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 19:00:38 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m25NxWhW016792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:59:33 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50200 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JX3WG-0005Oe-Dl for slug@nks.net; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:59:32 -0500 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DFD8556A67; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:59:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 18:59:29 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sources.list messed up? Message-ID: <20080305235929.GN20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.537, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.53, BAYES_05 -1.11, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 05:16:45PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room > E: Error occurred while processing kpresenter (NewVersion1) > E: Problem with MergeList > /var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_packages_koffice-latest_dists_edgy_main_binary-i386_Packages > E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. > Apt has its own cache settings. Go to /etc/apt/apt.conf. Insert the following line into it: APT::Cache-Limit "25165824" This is a known issue with apt and its brethren. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 5 20:13:32 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m261DWOv005448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:13:32 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m261DWjL005447 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:13:32 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m261DVhh005443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:13:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m261DVK1028071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:13:31 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m261D02s022164 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 20:13:00 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.91.13.101]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXA009GKBDJ55Y2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:12:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:13:45 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] Apt upgrades (was: sources.list messed up?) In-reply-to: <20080305235929.GN20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080305235929.GN20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.497, required 6, AWL -3.41, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 05:16:45PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > >> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room >> E: Error occurred while processing kpresenter (NewVersion1) >> E: Problem with MergeList >> /var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_packages_koffice-latest_dists_edgy_main_binary-i386_Packages >> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. > > Apt has its own cache settings. Go to /etc/apt/apt.conf. Insert the > following line into it: > > APT::Cache-Limit "25165824" > > This is a known issue with apt and its brethren. NoStop from alt.os.linux.ubuntu pointed me at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dynamic-mmap-ran-out-of-room-error-when-adding-new-apt-source-list-233417/ which had pretty much the same fix you supplied (only it specifies 8M instead of 24M) I had 8M already, so I doubled it to 16M and it worked. Pop that task off the mental stack, and I'm trying to upgrade xscreensaver. Aptitude says: i xscreensaver 4.21-4ubun 4.24-4ubun i xscreensaver-data 4.21-4ubun 4.24-4ubun i xscreensaver-gl 4.21-4ubun 4.24-4ubun That isn't much of an upgrade it's offering. The changefile at http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/changelog.html is up to 5.05. Is Ubuntu really that far behind, or is my apt still messed up? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 5 23:07:22 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2647MW6006947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:07:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2647MD1006946 for slug-track29; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:07:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2647MUs006942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:07:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2647Ljw009437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:07:22 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2646fWD021796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:06:41 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50658 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JX7NR-0000Iy-0X for slug@nks.net; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:06:41 -0500 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2EE0256A67; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:06:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 23:06:38 -0500 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Apt upgrades (was: sources.list messed up?) Message-ID: <20080306040638.GQ20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20080305235929.GN20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.295, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.34, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 08:13:45PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 05:16:45PM -0500, Eben King wrote: >> >>> E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room >>> E: Error occurred while processing kpresenter (NewVersion1) >>> E: Problem with MergeList >>> > /var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_packages_koffice-latest_dists_edgy_main_binary-i386_Packages >>> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. >> >> Apt has its own cache settings. Go to /etc/apt/apt.conf. Insert the >> following line into it: >> >> APT::Cache-Limit "25165824" >> >> This is a known issue with apt and its brethren. > > NoStop from alt.os.linux.ubuntu pointed me at > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/dynamic-mmap-ran-out-of-room-error-when-adding-new-apt-source-list-233417/ > which had pretty much the same fix you supplied (only it specifies 8M > instead of 24M) I had 8M already, so I doubled it to 16M and it worked. > Yeah, I use 24M because I track Debian stable, testing and unstable. The more repositories you track the higher your cache needs to be, and I've run into this exact thing before. > Pop that task off the mental stack, and I'm trying to upgrade xscreensaver. > Aptitude says: > > i xscreensaver 4.21-4ubun > 4.24-4ubun > i xscreensaver-data 4.21-4ubun > 4.24-4ubun > i xscreensaver-gl 4.21-4ubun > 4.24-4ubun > > That isn't much of an upgrade it's offering. The changefile at > http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/changelog.html is up to 5.05. Is Ubuntu > really that far behind, or is my apt still messed up? > It's absolutely possible that Ubuntu is that far behind. If you update your apt (via apt-get update or otherwise) then you're as far as the repository goes. It used to be that the *ubuntu respositories were based on Debian's repositories, but I don't know how true that is any more. Also, I don't know if Ubuntu originally tracked Debian stable, testing or unstable. For example, my Debian-native apt repositories show xscreensaver at version 5.04-2 (the version I have installed is 4.21-3). But that 5.04-2 resides in Debian unstable. Also, it's worth considering that xscreensaver probably went from 4.2x to 5.0x in one jump or relatively few intervening versions. If so, then the actual distance between 4.21 and 5.05 isn't really as far as it looks. On top of which, the packager for a given package on a given distro has to do the packaging of each new version, submit it for testing, and only then does it appear in the working repositories. Takes time. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 9 15:19:22 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29KJMll020542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:19:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m29KJMoJ020541 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:19:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29KJLXe020532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:19:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29KJLfN007778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:19:21 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29KHTfs016853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:17:29 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50448 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JYRxb-0004Q0-RV; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:17:31 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2324156A67; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:17:27 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20080309201727.2324156A67@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.057, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.50, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 March 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) USF St Petersburg, Davis 130 140 7th Ave. South St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://www.stpt.usf.edu/directions.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 9 17:23:22 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29MNMJ4021624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:23:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m29MNMDl021623 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:23:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29MNMmH021619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:23:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29MNMkr016509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:23:22 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29MMtD4001921 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:22:55 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXH00KG2IAYFAB0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:25:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:23:40 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] IRC X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:36:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m29MamAc021707 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:36:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29MamLI021703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:36:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29MamDW017317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:36:48 -0500 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m29Ma4gd022214 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:36:04 -0500 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so2282228pyi.13 for ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:36:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=a5Keq0HrODe1uExSmizXDArQlvDB/Qi5XFLHJbcGO/Q=; b=em0jlay6jA7uuMEP1KeayOhmEvLhPKwiT8qrN+0HnlrDe3SHS5vNi7hzWxc6GeGySw444m2O3D5ti8AcUtkoI8Zkh7IRVqgAEL9xmsFv7fC0mkHu+N4xCOwUDaxRA9JyQtGMMr7tBzqmvrjXgYu/jB9i3/YMPW2p447wVU5/qwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=X1FS6PhW/iNK/97MpfEJNmJ2AIakpK1g4PrUVKYMDUQK+MZ/wxp0JZNAUTXj9PZj++gQ8yd7zEC+iLQiT3eNin601D+RtyYvn7Vfp8lcrjM1ZAU4lCjSoWfz+x0hfK5fdQcn4wXMV0DeeB92S5dD4Qz6sqjUpjpiUxQADix2IsY= Received: by 10.65.124.8 with SMTP id b8mr7626240qbn.76.1205102163071; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bda172-cell02.bisx.prod.on.blackberry ( [216.9.248.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm7270107qba.30.2008.03.09.15.35.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 15:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 78743573 Message-ID: <78743573-1205102156-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-738228595-@bxe123.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal References: In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC From: daniel.nakov@gmail.com Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:34:57 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO: py-out-1112.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.972, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_24 0.60, MIME_BASE64_BLANKS 0.22, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22, MIME_BASE64_TEXT 1.89, NO_REAL_NAME 0.96, TW_RX 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id m29MamLH021704 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net There was xchat years ago. I'm not sure if its still being developed but I've never found anything better than BitchX+crackwhore script. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Eben King Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:23:40 To:SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] IRC What do you recommend for an IRC client? I've used BitchX, but I'd like something more user-friendly, as I'm an IRC novice. Being a text app is OK, as long as it runs in xterm or rxvt (IIRC, BitchX didn't). Something that can run a script or play a sound when someone says my name is a big plus. -- I firmly believed we should not march into Baghdad ...To occupy Iraq would instantly shatter our coalition, turning the whole Arab world against us and make ... a latter-day Arab hero assigning young soldiers to a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator[.] -- GHWB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 9 19:02:47 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A02lWt022459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:02:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2A02lPo022458 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:02:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A02kK3022454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:02:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A02WjQ023240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:02:46 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A01QdD003458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:01:26 -0500 Received: from [74.4.48.117] (helo=brak) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JYVSE-0006Py-9R for slug@nks.net; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:01:22 -0400 Received: from logan by brak with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JYVS8-0001oh-Lf for slug@nks.net; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:01:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:01:16 -0400 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC Message-ID: <20080310000116.GA6906@brak> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Logan X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-HELO: alex.gatortech.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.364, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.14, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LT4 0.44, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_RX 0.08, WGL_thelogan_Pat_allyourbase_Pda_arebelongto_Pdo_ -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:23:40PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > What do you recommend for an IRC client? I've used BitchX, but I'd like > something more user-friendly, as I'm an IRC novice. Being a text app is > OK, as long as it runs in xterm or rxvt (IIRC, BitchX didn't). Something > that can run a script or play a sound when someone says my name is a big > plus. In #sslug or irc.shadowworld.net, we use a mixture, lots of xchat folk, a few irssi folk and a few weechat-curses folk. I quit using BitchX because it doesn't support UTF-8. Leeta uses her own perl script on top of telnet, because she is a Perl Goddess. YMMV. Logan -- War is God's way of teaching Americans about geography. -- Ambrose Bierce Registered Linux User: 277727 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 9 19:09:57 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A09u5g022507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:09:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2A09uWw022506 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:09:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A09u7g022502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:09:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A09uRY023964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:09:56 -0500 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A08lfr006963 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:08:48 -0500 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k4so744554nfd.19 for ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:08:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=w6j8FB1tWzKsx+MGiav8crJaOdK204KT2KijxsEmtA4=; b=XvV4rjYdVaLZrIlehkNX9hR8m9hQggJSv88uPMyiVkytbNFYCSIXPb7IDV3UgPYn5nVRPAhHdET96l245NhLaPOF47SBK3AsZOeEmcedqd5yTLwPhKwFK+/iabMgz4AOWcOKrmCGhMiy8i6kaVxPqdbf/qj+el2VaX3T4mYCQL0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oRRQzudKyB9ZOeTeX5D0ZtHig1wLFsejWD8AMzEE9WfTPV0bI8Umz/Dzn0cU2l/T3GP6422sf2TvnJ3apDAr74VkdSk2Xf10dsOy1MLC+/yJcVB57WZ9JpviK1WmypaoFdJFZ+oKXMkz8lE3G1cWcvgd/7/B7q3xfikotCTmRqE= Received: by 10.78.204.1 with SMTP id b1mr12055478hug.49.1205107726374; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.129.11 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:08:46 -0400 From: "Steven Buehler" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC In-Reply-To: <20080310000116.GA6906@brak> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15756_27971418.1205107726358" References: <20080310000116.GA6906@brak> X-HELO: nf-out-0910.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.297, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAD_STRING_gmail_PUNCdot_com 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, TW_RX 0.08, WGL_swbuehler_Pat_gmail_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_15756_27971418.1205107726358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Chat is still out there, I use the Mac version of it on my MacBook and the Linux version on my mini-server. Best I've tried out. There's also a Windows version for those who still use the "other" O/S. SB On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Logan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:23:40PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > > What do you recommend for an IRC client? I've used BitchX, but I'd like > > something more user-friendly, as I'm an IRC novice. Being a text app is > > OK, as long as it runs in xterm or rxvt (IIRC, BitchX didn't). > Something > > that can run a script or play a sound when someone says my name is a big > > plus. > > In #sslug or irc.shadowworld.net, we use a mixture, lots of xchat > folk, a few irssi folk and a few weechat-curses folk. I quit using > BitchX because it doesn't support UTF-8. Leeta uses her own perl > script on top of telnet, because she is a Perl Goddess. YMMV. > > Logan > -- > War is God's way of teaching Americans about geography. -- Ambrose Bierce > Registered Linux User: 277727 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- Steven Buehler | swbuehler(at)gmail.com http://www.life3.org ------=_Part_15756_27971418.1205107726358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Chat is still out there, I use the Mac version of it on my MacBook and the Linux version on my mini-server.  Best I've tried out.  There's also a Windows version for those who still use the "other" O/S.

SB

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Logan <thelogan@allyourbase-arebelongto.us> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:23:40PM -0500, Eben King wrote:
> What do you recommend for an IRC client?  I've used BitchX, but I'd like
> something more user-friendly, as I'm an IRC novice.  Being a text app is
> OK, as long as it runs in xterm or rxvt (IIRC, BitchX didn't).  Something
> that can run a script or play a sound when someone says my name is a big
> plus.

In #sslug or irc.shadowworld.net, we use a mixture, lots of xchat
folk, a few irssi folk and a few weechat-curses folk.  I quit using
BitchX because it doesn't support UTF-8. Leeta uses her own perl
script on top of telnet, because she is a Perl Goddess. YMMV.

Logan
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 9 21:38:07 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A2c7FF023769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:38:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2A2c7e5023768 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:38:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A2c6gU023764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:38:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A2c6YY032636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:38:06 -0500 Received: from smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com [205.234.170.144]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A2b2VK023237 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:37:02 -0500 Received: from smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9EB315A42 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:37:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-Name: revbrovt X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com Received: from [192.168.99.107] (216-19.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com [68.200.19.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <47D49E50.3070508@ariestechgroup.com> Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:34:56 -0400 From: Steven Van Tilburg Organization: Aries Technology Group User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC References: <20080310000116.GA6906@brak> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.639, required 6, BAD_STRING_gmail_PUNCdot_com 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, TW_RX 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I use a Maemo version of X-Chat for my N800 because Pidgin wasn't working with IRC very well. VT Steven Buehler wrote: > X-Chat is still out there, I use the Mac version of it on my MacBook > and the Linux version on my mini-server. Best I've tried out. > There's also a Windows version for those who still use the "other" O/S. > > SB > > On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Logan > > wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 05:23:40PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > > What do you recommend for an IRC client? I've used BitchX, but > I'd like > > something more user-friendly, as I'm an IRC novice. Being a > text app is > > OK, as long as it runs in xterm or rxvt (IIRC, BitchX didn't). > Something > > that can run a script or play a sound when someone says my name > is a big > > plus. > > In #sslug or irc.shadowworld.net , we > use a mixture, lots of xchat > folk, a few irssi folk and a few weechat-curses folk. I quit using > BitchX because it doesn't support UTF-8. Leeta uses her own perl > script on top of telnet, because she is a Perl Goddess. YMMV. > > Logan > -- > War is God's way of teaching Americans about geography. -- Ambrose > Bierce > Registered Linux User: 277727 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > > > > -- > Steven Buehler | swbuehler(at)gmail.com > http://www.life3.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 9 22:50:34 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A3oY7K024367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:50:34 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2A3oYYs024366 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:50:34 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A3oYbM024362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:50:34 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-19.nks.net [209.34.225.179]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A3oYWp004954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:50:34 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.marlowe.net [216.253.133.145]) by nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A3nrMo014989 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 22:49:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (*authenticated* [71.98.213.244] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.6x) id 4YBSL00 for ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:49:44 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] strange returned mail Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 21:41:31 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> X-HELO: SANCTUM.COM X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.935, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_rnr_Pat_sanctum_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id m2A3oYbL024363 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hello Sluggers, Am getting quite a few of these Failed Mail messaages lately. Don't know what to make of it. I certainly didn't send it out.Anyone know what is happening here? ------------------------------------------------------------- This is the mail system at host lbox.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message.                    The mail system (expanded from ): delivery temporarily     suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused unnamed Delivery report --------------------------------------------------------------------- And then there is an encapsulated message to a mailing list following it. Bob S ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 9 23:48:39 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A4mdY5024865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:48:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2A4mdle024864 for slug-track29; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:48:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A4mdw9024860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:48:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A4mcwH008680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:48:38 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A4jfmZ017324 for ; Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:46:10 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so392746and.117 for ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=1tffg4qwMMFthEgFjiJigHBeXMowqYqyLZCaSUxLg20=; b=lfVk2QJIHaxqZgft44h0hl/dqEqBqTOoZRdmovsHui8EumTPIftYs5YvmFvSLfWgjXQ63sGUfqJMwEWYEeoTecaYDqRoqpRbGkfSrvvcsc+W6xWGGLD95tsWpzvsDvQNFi48tC4+CTwrGsz9sJZ9qJVzELW2dBjij5J6ebxpgOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=qSuFxyoodJqWrAxTIeaZ4bL16AkSwDHRUBMiB/KrBMIn8+ukOJvKn1rKzvjBF1DRMNxjx0sMue2P1D84k02fKSjbG+h1pKfQlIT9Bt+ONfXkWfXliYyf40kGgZoSerqIazTKpUYrr7cK0K6rEsuM3thVxN0PDHswYn7YW+DadLw= Received: by 10.100.210.9 with SMTP id i9mr10191293ang.41.1205124370091; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d12sm13082672and.24.2008.03.09.21.46.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 21:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D4BD05.1020102@alienscience.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:45:57 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] strange returned mail References: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.999, required 6, AWL -2.50, BAYES_50 0.00, BP_clickhere 0.50) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hmmm I used to get a lot of these types of returned messages (actually "returned SPAM") because some entity out there was using my email address in the FROM field, where in fact, they're using a completely different SMTP and POP/IMAP servers and will never get a reply back. They're just looking for a clear-GIF download to verify if a target email address is good, deploy a virus/trojan payload, phishing exploits, or a click-through to buy some... umm... bedroom happy candy. You'll probably get some nasty email from people though. Check out SPF. It may help you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework Find out what company is benefiting from this in the returned emails. They're probably the ones footing the bills to the "email marketing company" scumbags that provide this service. They may or may not be aware of the acts. You can also send the email with full headers to: spam@uce.gov http://www.ftc.gov/spam/ https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01 /mario Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > Am getting quite a few of these Failed Mail messaages lately. Don't know what > to make of it. I certainly didn't send it out.Anyone know what is happening > here? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the mail system at host lbox.org. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > (expanded from ): delivery temporarily > suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused > unnamed > Delivery report > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > And then there is an encapsulated message to a mailing list following it. > > Bob S > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 10 00:24:22 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A5OM70025235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:24:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2A5OML2025234 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:24:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A5OLOc025230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:24:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-19.nks.net [209.34.225.179]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A5OLZ5013583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:24:21 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2A5NocL030199 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:23:50 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so395219and.117 for ; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:23:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=8YWTUFdh4GVVBzi8BXUkCW+bAuJH5F5oS5qe4rSH03Q=; b=nJqsX9/IIncp4nXVz5Kt8VbeCqlfdHb5RLYEKCLox7Y0fh0gNCF592jCFNSebutr3F0y+ci+zaVpOSJ4POPX5rhgT34pW0KDRKWlbn/W+X1W1ypC0dnHzhW82FXMtS/FMmwU0jrOHL3r1VM7hFBMHFkLY6hLx5ZU6bWReCOEpUU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=W+qhBw9AKoqDDOHDgJimljJJLajKJ/arqdhcEl+QX3EIZAUkrkXoRYLhKEzCDZ4o1FCVijIpCS6z6AQwUPETk+2fAcAd0VC28jcX7kc3C3phmCHGSgM0r5pivBNaVnqhNuTGKDmGSr3v9UWIH/ZoQpU+ng9Cs5D+2iwswKYuq7o= Received: by 10.100.105.15 with SMTP id d15mr10375051anc.6.1205126630450; Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d24sm15314191and.12.2008.03.09.22.23.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D4C5B1.1000407@alienscience.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:22:57 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC References: <78743573-1205102156-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-738228595-@bxe123.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <78743573-1205102156-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-738228595-@bxe123.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: an-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-6.636, required 6, AWL -5.21, BAD_STRING_gmail_PUNCdot_com 0.25, BAYES_00 -2.60, J_CHICKENPOX_24 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25, TW_RX 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hmmm can't find the crackwhore script on Freshmeat.net. Got a lead? /mario daniel.nakov@gmail.com wrote: > There was xchat years ago. I'm not sure if its still being developed but I've never found anything better than BitchX+crackwhore script. > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eben King > > Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 17:23:40 > To:SLUG Mailing List > Subject: [SLUG] IRC > > > What do you recommend for an IRC client? I've used BitchX, but I'd like > something more user-friendly, as I'm an IRC novice. Being a text app is OK, > as long as it runs in xterm or rxvt (IIRC, BitchX didn't). Something that > can run a script or play a sound when someone says my name is a big plus. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 10 06:00:06 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AB061b028276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:00:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2AB06mC028275 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:00:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AB01ST028194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:00:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AB01ZC016227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:00:01 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AAxBLx006482 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:59:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.5.5] (really [72.186.81.186]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080310105911.IAZH13220.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.5.5]> for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:59:11 +0000 Message-ID: <47D51427.2080108@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:57:43 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] strange returned mail References: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.74, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net It looks like you are trying to connect to your own box's SMTP port (127.0.0.1)? delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused Do you have a "smart host" defined in your /etc/sendmail.cfg file? IIRC, that option starts with "DS" like: DSsmtp.tampabay.rr.com That way, any mail that you try to send (via sendmail) will get sent to that SMTP host. If you are using something other than "sendmail" (like "exim"?), then you will need other settings to accomplish the same goal. --ronan > Hello Sluggers, > > Am getting quite a few of these Failed Mail messaages lately. Don't know what > to make of it. I certainly didn't send it out.Anyone know what is happening > here? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the mail system at host lbox.org. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The mail system > > (expanded from ): delivery temporarily > suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused > unnamed > Delivery report > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > And then there is an encapsulated message to a mailing list following it. > > Bob S > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 10 08:50:41 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ADofqN029767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:50:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2ADofuq029766 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:50:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ADoegH029762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:50:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ADoet8000649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:50:40 -0500 Received: from ns35.webmasters.com (ns35.webmasters.com [208.64.137.91]) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id m2ADnUhR011012 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:49:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 25827 invoked by uid 2527); 10 Mar 2008 13:48:31 -0000 Date: 10 Mar 2008 13:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20080310134831.25824.qmail@ns35.webmasters.com> To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system From: "Robin - Bartow FL" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--=M_0a70f2aac0c87f2e4dca535fb06982ff" X-Mailer: 4Mail by WEBMASTERS.COM (suncoastlug.mailbox@gibp.com@71.122.143.98) X-HELO: ns35.webmasters.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----=M_0a70f2aac0c87f2e4dca535fb06982ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent: 3/3/08 11:52 AM Subject: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system "and of course the next step is recovery, but that comes later" I use matching hard drives and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GParted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) 1. Power down 2. Swap removable drive hda (plugged in) with removable hdc (loose). 3. Power up /robin ----=M_0a70f2aac0c87f2e4dca535fb06982ff-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 10 13:22:36 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AIMaeR032211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:22:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2AIMajg032210 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:22:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AIMa1u032206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:22:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AIMakJ022397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:22:36 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2AIK8tF025676 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:20:08 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXJ00C3E1JVCSP1@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:19:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system In-reply-to: <20080310134831.25824.qmail@ns35.webmasters.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.43, required 6, AWL -6.82, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, TW_MN 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Robin - Bartow FL wrote: > Sent: 3/3/08 11:52 AM > Subject: [SLUG] Looking for a way (that works) to back up entire system > > > "and of course the next step is recovery, but that comes later" > > I use matching hard drives and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GParted > (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) > > 1. Power down > 2. Swap removable drive hda (plugged in) with removable hdc (loose). > 3. Power up I keep both drives plugged in -- main as hda, backup as hdb. Yes it's suboptimal, but the cables won't reach otherwise. hdb stays spun down 23 hours a day. I should write "main" and "backup" on them, as the only way to tell them apart now is from the jumper settings. -- The mnky gibbering and screeching used to keep me up at night, although in the lst week or so it's prtty mch tailed off to nthng. The smell has gttn noticbly worse in the last cple of days, too. The next time I get a barrl full of mnkys, I'm going to try taking the lid off. -groo, AFCA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 10 22:40:47 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B3elNx004435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:40:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2B3el9V004434 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:40:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B3elhm004430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:40:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B3elj8006881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:40:47 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.marlowe.net [216.253.133.145]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B3e53B027194 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:40:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (*authenticated* [71.122.224.16] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.6x) id 3YY0P00 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:33:21 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] strange returned mail Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:33:48 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) References: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> <47D4BD05.1020102@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <47D4BD05.1020102@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803102233.48272.rnr@sanctum.com> X-HELO: SANCTUM.COM X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.5, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, BP_clickhere 0.50, MANGLED_FROM 1.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_rnr_Pat_sanctum_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 10 March 2008 12:45:57 am Mario Lombardo wrote: > Hmmm I used to get a lot of these types of returned messages (actually > "returned SPAM") because some entity out there was using my email > address in the FROM field, where in fact, they're using a completely > different SMTP and POP/IMAP servers and will never get a reply back. > They're just looking for a clear-GIF download to verify if a target > email address is good, deploy a virus/trojan payload, phishing > exploits, or a click-through to buy some... umm... bedroom happy candy. > You'll probably get some nasty email from people though. Check out > SPF. It may help you: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework > > Find out what company is benefiting from this in the returned emails. > They're probably the ones footing the bills to the "email marketing > company" scumbags that provide this service. They may or may not be > aware of the acts. You can also send the email with full headers to: > spam@uce.gov > http://www.ftc.gov/spam/ > https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01 > > /mario > > Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > Am getting quite a few of these Failed Mail messaages lately. Don't know > > what to make of it. I certainly didn't send it out.Anyone know what is > > happening here? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the mail system at host lbox.org. > > > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > > > The mail system Mario, ronan, thanks for replying. Mario - Can't see how I caan find out what ccompany is benefiting frrom this. I certainly don't want to reply to that postmaster. And, isn't SPF for a mail server? It sure looks complicated and way over my head. Ronan - Yes it does look like it is trying to connect to my SMTP port but I certainly don't have a zion@localhost. I don't have an /etc/ sendmail.cfg. All my mail is handled directly by kmail. I guess I'll have to start looking at them more closely. Any more/other ideas would certainly be welcome. Bob S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 10 23:12:57 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B4CvA8004708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2B4CvjB004707 for slug-track29; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B4Cvde004703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B4CueI009285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:57 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2B4CFca020888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:12:15 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50970 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JYvqc-0003WP-CO for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:12:18 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EAFC956A67; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:12:11 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] strange returned mail Message-ID: <20080311041211.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.386, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 4.17, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id m2B4Cvdd004704 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:41:31PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > Hello Sluggers, > > Am getting quite a few of these Failed Mail messaages lately. Don't know what > to make of it. I certainly didn't send it out.Anyone know what is happening > here? > ------------------------------------------------------------- > This is the mail system at host lbox.org. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > >                    The mail system > > (expanded from ): delivery temporarily >     suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused > unnamed > Delivery report > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > And then there is an encapsulated message to a mailing list following it. > I'm not an expert, but here's my guess (without seeing the headers). It looks like someone has spoofed your "From" address in sending an email to lbox.org. I'm guessing that the "localhost" in this case is the localhost of the receiving mail server. It looks like someone sent an email to this mailserver, with zion@localhost as the "To" address. Naturally, that didn't resolve, and the lbox mailserver bounced the message to the presumed sender, you. As administrator of this and other lists, I see traffic like this quite a lot, and they're generally just spoof bounces. In fact, I see so many of them that I have procmail recipes in place that just shove them into a folder so I don't actually have to look at them. Every month, a script sweeps the oldest ones away, but newer ones stay for a while in case I need to investigate something about them. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 10:37:04 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BFb34J010851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:37:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2BFb3hU010850 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:37:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BFb3SY010846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:37:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BFb3od009882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:37:03 -0500 Received: from relay01.pair.com (relay01.pair.com [209.68.5.15]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with SMTP id m2BFZS4P025654 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:35:28 -0500 Received: (qmail 8623 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2008 15:35:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.3?) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 11 Mar 2008 15:35:27 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 72.64.153.194 Message-ID: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:33:14 -0500 From: Rich Morgan Organization: Heavy Systems User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url=http://www.heavysystems.com/key.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: relay01.pair.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.483, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -2.48, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account to access a terminal at all. -- v/r, Rich Morgan Heavy Systems http://www.heavysystems.com Phone: 443-983-3027 9am-9pm, M-F, EST GPG Key: http://www.heavysystems.com/key.txt ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 11:08:51 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BG8pUa011151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:08:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2BG8oJX011150 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:08:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BG8ogc011146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:08:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BG8o47013278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:08:50 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BG36T2003315 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:03:06 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXK00J3UPOB99G5@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:57:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:00:36 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root In-reply-to: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-HELO: vms173003pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.365, required 6, AWL -1.95, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Rich Morgan wrote: > Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend > of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to > the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account > to access a terminal at all. Might this do what you want? from xorg.conf(5x): ,-- | Option "DontVTSwitch" "boolean" | This disallows the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Fn sequence (where Fn | refers to one of the numbered function keys). That sequence is | normally used to switch to another "virtual terminal" on operat- | ing systems that have this feature. When this option is | enabled, that key sequence has no special meaning and is passed | to clients. Default: off. '-- Is the user allowed to run a terminal emulator? I don't know how to block that. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Derived from Robert Heinlein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 15:45:13 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKjDe1013482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:45:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2BKjDqj013481 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:45:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKjDDm013477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:45:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-16.nks.net [209.34.225.176]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKjCSD032476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:45:12 -0500 Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.250]) by nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKb4ev021605 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:37:05 -0500 Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so2066621hsn.13 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:37:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=hsRaOJNmRSUd8mgxvEs3Fzemg2D17hVO6e0QjSXMbdI=; b=Yygn1VY+4b2xHgkPSHPGQvd6pauXxmSIHTFDB/KrNdCFigqaznNgD19gXpElseabZSFRCo4ZWn/DOG/IMMGeh9LIYWoNrBU1r2H+OxtAJyfj/fA4MUILWRd/M4kueOhdy+1sFsBot6QrxNEAADZD2JYCW1ciBY5PfMjIWObWPLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=gZt0Gt6LHT2FnU4jxbI0C/YZWKbdzstdJygNi5Cfv63I0HWE5jm/wT6R+9pkQFlbgYVBoZQ6uhYrvF5fBbc/mQMPkp7mpMHsBslA8M3kf0qiufT/9mCNt0S+rzagFxrsiTJ+OEFfN1juh146sE236uMf2CgHOvBf03vUwGK0QlA= Received: by 10.100.211.8 with SMTP id j8mr14160737ang.35.1205267823819; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b11sm20229492ana.7.2008.03.11.13.37.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D6ED68.1020301@alienscience.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:36:56 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] errors configuring wlan0 with iwconfig in Debian Etch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hs-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.018, required 6, AWL -2.52, BAD_WORD_Hermes 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I'm doing this in Debian Etch: iwconfig wlan0 mode managed commit yet I'm getting: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. I've also populated /etc/network/interfaces with specs from /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian and I've run "ifup wlan0" with similar results. I have the D-Link DWL-520 card. I realize there are later revisions ("C" and after) that aren't the Prism 2.5 chipset, but lspci reveals: 00:08.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) and respective drivers: orinoco_pci 6656 0 orinoco 34580 1 orinoco_pci hermes 7040 2 orinoco_pci,orinoco I just want to attach this desktop station to the wireless router. What am I doing wrong? /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 15:52:07 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKq7Ko013532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:52:07 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2BKq76H013531 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:52:07 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKq7Gn013527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:52:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKq6GQ000419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:52:07 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BKhBNF016588 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:43:11 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXL008T52YPF3D3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:44:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:41:49 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] how to make vim DTRT X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:24:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2BNOvkd014898 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:24:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BNOuBJ014894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:24:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BNOuj6012346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:24:56 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BNHBmc019226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:17:11 -0500 Received: from [74.4.48.117] (helo=cthulhu) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JZDiH-0001yh-8t for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:16:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root From: Logan Tygart To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> References: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Lji352gCZvQTqJOcaeCK" Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:16:50 -0400 Message-Id: <1205277410.4193.10.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-HELO: alex.gatortech.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.463, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.29, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_thelogan_Pat_allyourbase_Pda_arebelongto_Pdo_ -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-Lji352gCZvQTqJOcaeCK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:33 -0500, Rich Morgan wrote: > Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend > of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to > the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account > to access a terminal at all. Just set their shell to /bin/false. Logan --=20 All of my home computing equipment is on the cutting edge of obsolete. Registered Linux User: 277727 --=-Lji352gCZvQTqJOcaeCK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBH1xLh3OecGqSbkyMRAlS8AJwJCle687pRLhO2USU4MPCQCkLUCQCfYV6Z DGXIrWINMEW3uZKEgzV923g= =htzf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Lji352gCZvQTqJOcaeCK-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 18:44:33 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BNiXj5015035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:44:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2BNiXkF015034 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:44:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BNiWMU015030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:44:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-19.nks.net [209.34.225.179]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BNiWrA013489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:44:32 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2BNh9hX009816 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:43:09 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXL008C2B2KFUK0@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:39:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:42:47 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root In-reply-to: <1205277410.4193.10.camel@cthulhu> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <1205277410.4193.10.camel@cthulhu> X-HELO: vms173003pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.182, required 6, AWL -6.49, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Logan Tygart wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:33 -0500, Rich Morgan wrote: >> Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend >> of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to >> the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account >> to access a terminal at all. > > Just set their shell to /bin/false. Would that interfere with trminal emulators that want to start a login shell? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 ARIES: The look on your face will be priceless when you find that 40lb watermelon in your colon. Trade toothbrushes with an albino dwarf, then give a hickey to Meryl Streep. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 19:13:29 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C0DT8o015282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:13:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2C0DTMB015281 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:13:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C0DTnW015277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:13:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C0DSrt015587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:13:28 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C0CYPo020842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:12:35 -0500 Received: from [74.4.48.117] (helo=brak) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JZEa7-0004Al-5N for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:12:31 -0400 Received: from logan by brak with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JZEZw-0001jK-HN for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:12:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:12:20 -0400 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root Message-ID: <20080312001220.GA6602@brak> References: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> <1205277410.4193.10.camel@cthulhu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: Logan X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-HELO: alex.gatortech.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-7.767, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.54, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LT4 0.44, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_thelogan_Pat_allyourbase_Pda_arebelongto_Pdo_ -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 07:42:47PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Logan Tygart wrote: > >On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:33 -0500, Rich Morgan wrote: > >>Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend > >>of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to > >>the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account > >>to access a terminal at all. > > > >Just set their shell to /bin/false. > > Would that interfere with trminal emulators that want to start a login > shell? Yeah, it won't allow them. The shell will be /bin/false. Logan -- Its not rocket surgery. -- Eggo Commercial Registered Linux User: 277727 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 21:00:54 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C20sga016276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:00:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2C20seB016275 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:00:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C20soR016271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:00:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C20rWH021803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:00:53 -0500 Received: from SANCTUM.COM (ns1.marlowe.net [216.253.133.145]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C1xgY9008256 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:59:42 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (*authenticated* [72.64.177.60] rnr@sanctum.com) by SANCTUM.COM with ESMTP (IOA-IPAD 5.6x) id 0HS5L00 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:54:14 -0400 From: Bob Stia To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] strange returned mail Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:54:34 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) References: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> <20080311041211.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20080311041211.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803112054.34494.rnr@sanctum.com> X-HELO: SANCTUM.COM X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.217, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.72, BAYES_40 -0.18, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_rnr_Pat_sanctum_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id m2C20soQ016272 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 11 March 2008 12:12:11 am Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:41:31PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: > > Hello Sluggers, > > > > Am getting quite a few of these Failed Mail messaages lately. Don't know > > what to make of it. I certainly didn't send it out.Anyone know what is > > happening here? > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > This is the mail system at host lbox.org. > > > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > > > For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. > > > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > > >                    The mail system > > > > (expanded from ): delivery > > temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection > > refused unnamed > > Delivery report > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > And then there is an encapsulated message to a mailing list following > > it. > > I'm not an expert, but here's my guess (without seeing the headers). It > looks like someone has spoofed your "From" address in sending an email > to lbox.org. I'm guessing that the "localhost" in this case is the > localhost of the receiving mail server. It looks like someone sent an > email to this mailserver, with zion@localhost as the "To" address. > Naturally, that didn't resolve, and the lbox mailserver bounced the > message to the presumed sender, you. > > As administrator of this and other lists, I see traffic like this quite a > lot, and they're generally just spoof bounces. In fact, I see so many of > them that I have procmail recipes in place that just shove them into a > folder so I don't actually have to look at them. Every month, a script > sweeps the oldest ones away, but newer ones stay for a while in case I > need to investigate something about them. > > Paul Thanks Paul I guess that means not much can be done about it. I guess I will just have to put some kind of filter on it. 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 21:11:11 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C2BBCO016343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:11:11 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2C2BBw9016342 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:11:11 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C2BAkk016338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:11:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-16.nks.net [209.34.225.176]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C2BAAR022859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:11:10 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C29oKV016800 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:09:50 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 3DABEB4C80E; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D5DB4C435 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D73B74.5000200@runithard.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:09:56 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] strange returned mail References: <200803092141.31298.rnr@sanctum.com> <20080311041211.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> <200803112054.34494.rnr@sanctum.com> In-Reply-To: <200803112054.34494.rnr@sanctum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.257, required 6, AWL 0.09, BAYES_00 -2.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I saw some of this and i set postfix to work with POSTGREY and block all the meathead spammers....... smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_destination, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net, check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:60000 I also added an SPF record for all my domains in BIND. ex: runithard.com. IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ~all" That way ALL mail is rejected UNLESS it was sent from this domain. I think that would solve you issue. --Matthew Rogers Bob Stia wrote: > On Tuesday 11 March 2008 12:12:11 am Paul M Foster wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 09:41:31PM -0400, Bob Stia wrote: >> >>> Hello Sluggers, >>> >>> Am getting quite a few of these Failed Mail messaages lately. Don't know >>> what to make of it. I certainly didn't send it out.Anyone know what is >>> happening here? >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This is the mail system at host lbox.org. >>> >>> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not >>> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. >>> >>> For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. >>> >>> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can >>> delete your own text from the attached returned message. >>> >>> The mail system >>> >>> (expanded from ): delivery >>> temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]: Connection >>> refused unnamed >>> Delivery report >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> And then there is an encapsulated message to a mailing list following >>> it. >>> >> I'm not an expert, but here's my guess (without seeing the headers). It >> looks like someone has spoofed your "From" address in sending an email >> to lbox.org. I'm guessing that the "localhost" in this case is the >> localhost of the receiving mail server. It looks like someone sent an >> email to this mailserver, with zion@localhost as the "To" address. >> Naturally, that didn't resolve, and the lbox mailserver bounced the >> message to the presumed sender, you. >> >> As administrator of this and other lists, I see traffic like this quite a >> lot, and they're generally just spoof bounces. In fact, I see so many of >> them that I have procmail recipes in place that just shove them into a >> folder so I don't actually have to look at them. Every month, a script >> sweeps the oldest ones away, but newer ones stay for a while in case I >> need to investigate something about them. >> >> Paul >> > > Thanks Paul > > I guess that means not much can be done about it. I guess I will just have to > put some kind of filter on it. > > Bob S > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 21:18:29 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C2ITQJ016455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:18:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2C2ITjL016454 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:18:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C2ISmW016450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:18:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C2ISkH023284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:18:28 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C2HpBv025659 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:17:52 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 60F44B4C80E; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284C5B4C435 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D73D55.1090002@runithard.com> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:17:57 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root References: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> <1205277410.4193.10.camel@cthulhu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.41, required 6, AWL -4.92, BAYES_20 -0.74, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net IF you are going to want to limit USERS only to an application WHY IN THE HEAVENS would you use OS level authentication? It's like your trying to use PAM but you don't want PAM to work. If you just want to give them SFTP access then use :/usr/lib/sftp-server. So to better answer your question... just have a root user on the system and system accounts (with the /bin/false) for shells and control application level authentication at that level. I run a couple of mail servers, Dovecot uses it's own passwd file for that very reason (well and for vmail). I authenticate at the application level so the user can't get into the systems internals. Thats my 2 cents.... --Matthew Rogers Eben King wrote: > On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Logan Tygart wrote: > >> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 11:33 -0500, Rich Morgan wrote: >>> Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend >>> of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to >>> the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account >>> to access a terminal at all. >> >> Just set their shell to /bin/false. > > Would that interfere with trminal emulators that want to start a login > shell? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Tue Mar 11 22:13:02 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C3D2K6016913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:13:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2C3D274016912 for slug-track29; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C3D2Vx016908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C3D2sx026492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:13:02 -0500 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2C3CIPo019119 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:12:18 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXL009XXKCZ1ND2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:00:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:12:13 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] newsreaders X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:20:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CAK8Bi020863 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:20:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CAK7Vb020859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:20:07 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CAK6oB008115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:20:07 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CAFWRK032484 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:15:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.5.5] (really [72.186.81.186]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080312101532.CICE13220.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.5.5]> for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:15:32 +0000 Message-ID: <47D7ACD8.4000304@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 06:13:44 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root References: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> In-Reply-To: <47D6B44A.4010607@heavysystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-6.08, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -5.34, BAYES_20 -0.74) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Rich Morgan wrote: > Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend > of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to > the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account > to access a terminal at all. > > You could probably create a FAKE_SHELL script and put it into /etc/login.defs That script can check: if $USER != 'root' and the output of 'tty' is '/dev/tty?' (wildcard), then 'exit', else 'bash'. A non-console login will have '/dev/pts/#' instead of '/dev/tty#', so those will still be allowed. Instead of the FAKE_SHELL route, you might be able to put your check into /etc/bash_profile (as long all users have bash as their shell, as long as the user is not able to prevent their bash from executing that file????) --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 10:25:02 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CFP2GK023612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:25:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CFP2Ut023611 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:25:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CFP1T6023607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:25:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CFP1KK006792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:25:01 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CFLkXF030507 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:21:47 -0500 Received: from [71.40.182.34] by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080312152146.UINA13797.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@[71.40.182.34]>; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:21:46 +0000 Message-ID: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:21:46 +0000 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080212 SeaMonkey/1.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.16, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.24, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, WGL_ka4inm_Pat_tampabay_Pdo_rr_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support (base-64 > is not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see a way to do > it. trn has the same level of support but is easier to make it DTRT by > virtue of it being textual. Both suck, however. I like and use pan, the latest version allows a directory be assigned to each group and a changeable field. -- Ron KA4INM - Please pay your taxes promptly our illegal aliens need the free benefits! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 11:23:24 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGNNQr024139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:23:24 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CGNNNO024138 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:23:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGNNi0024134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:23:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGNNas010550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:23:23 -0500 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CG8WsG013593 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:08:32 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXM009PUKU3FZ10@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:08:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:08:27 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Limiting terminal access to root In-reply-to: <47D7ACD8.4000304@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7ACD8.4000304@tampabay.rr.com> X-HELO: vms046pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.803, required 6, AWL -5.21, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, ronan wrote: > Rich Morgan wrote: >> Hey guys and gals, an interesting forum question was posted by a friend >> of mine and I'd like to get your take on it: How do you limit access to >> the command line to just root? That is to say, not allow a user account >> to access a terminal at all. >> >> > You could probably create a FAKE_SHELL script and put it into /etc/login.defs > That script can check: if $USER != 'root' and the output of 'tty' is > '/dev/tty?' (wildcard), then 'exit', else 'bash'. A non-console login will > have '/dev/pts/#' instead of '/dev/tty#', so those will still be allowed. || not &&; AIUI neither is allowed. > Instead of the FAKE_SHELL route, you might be able to put your check into > /etc/bash_profile (as long all users have bash as their shell, as long as the > user is not able to prevent their bash from executing that file????) Well, I once got a shell on a supposedly no-shell system by running vi, redefining SHELL from there, and executing :sh . So be careful. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 11:26:51 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGQpvF024168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:26:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CGQp9T024167 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:26:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGQoe1024163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:26:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGQn1f010855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:26:50 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGAZNf003914 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:10:35 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 5D931B4C83C; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB67B4C646 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D80084.3060802@runithard.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:10:44 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] errors configuring wlan0 with iwconfig in Debian Etch References: <47D6ED68.1020301@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <47D6ED68.1020301@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.247, required 6, AWL -5.01, BAD_WORD_Hermes 0.25, BAYES_20 -0.74, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Seems like a lot of commands versus what I do.. iwconfig essid "rogers" iwconfig wlan0 key 1801801801 and I have net access. Maybe your commit command is causing you pain. It doesn't work on all cards. commit Some cards may not apply changes done through Wireless Extensions immediately (they may wait to aggregate the changes or apply it only when the card is brought up via ifconfig). This command (when available) forces the card to apply all pending changes. This is normally not needed, because the card will eventually apply the changes, but can be useful for debugging. --Matthew Rogers Mario Lombardo wrote: > I'm doing this in Debian Etch: > iwconfig wlan0 mode managed commit > > yet I'm getting: > Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : > SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. > > I've also populated /etc/network/interfaces with specs from > /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian and I've run "ifup wlan0" > with similar results. I have the D-Link DWL-520 card. I realize > there are later revisions ("C" and after) that aren't the Prism 2.5 > chipset, but lspci reveals: > 00:08.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan > chipset (rev 01) > > and respective drivers: > orinoco_pci 6656 0 > orinoco 34580 1 orinoco_pci > hermes 7040 2 orinoco_pci,orinoco > > I just want to attach this desktop station to the wireless router. > What am I doing wrong? > > /mario > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 11:57:04 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGv4RF024368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:57:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CGv4XN024367 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:57:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGv4Eq024363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:57:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGv3EG013082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:57:03 -0500 Received: from hs-out-0708.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.251]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CGdvXM027344 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:39:57 -0500 Received: by hs-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 23so2389028hsn.13 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=mtgKMNhC0E1ax1AwMUskJ7VIQgxrY9E/Wpip+9ToGIo=; b=WbEH8sZnKJJMOgjwW2d/76cYz7/9czPGONlZcj1aB7mfx+qvndX2BOtpExlh3KAN98cmoYdxynFYXqroNqFuu8K4t50a7IOACppOmUM+nu6f8vlVJ4TFyTotgvdIi2rHoBzvXEhG1iKXW+TIBb5DpArhXNNd+l+WDELB9bFdeh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=ZA4Y4gBaMZVNyJ7lFIHvQbtGDJyVmXZVcuUyok02ggoZOqZsqpFMfbVhszQzATSWhP4hqb9yWO70sHc6H0DqFJz+qJZVW8OhQg7vi72T7Y7hUpkjl5DOfXU4xw9FAAy9xJOgnbLQ/YVb3rAnztGEV9r+93Pd//MHjH2B2ipGnCo= Received: by 10.100.31.3 with SMTP id e3mr16695578ane.15.1205339997217; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c39sm3327575anc.25.2008.03.12.09.39.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D80757.1040506@alienscience.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:39:51 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] errors configuring wlan0 with iwconfig in Debian Etch References: <47D6ED68.1020301@alienscience.com> <47D80084.3060802@runithard.com> In-Reply-To: <47D80084.3060802@runithard.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hs-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.501, required 6, BAD_WORD_Hermes 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Perhaps there is something wrong with this card?? Can anybody confirm this? [sigh] windy:~# iwconfig essid "blah" Error : unrecognised wireless request "blah" windy:~# iwconfig essid blah Error : unrecognised wireless request "blah" windy:~# man iwconfig Reformatting iwconfig(8), please wait... windy:~# iwconfig wlan0 essid blah Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. windy:~# iwconfig wifi0 essid blah Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device wifi0 ; Invalid argument. windy:~# iwconfig wlan0 key 1801801801 Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. windy:~# /mario Matthew Rogers wrote: > Seems like a lot of commands versus what I do.. > > iwconfig essid "rogers" > iwconfig wlan0 key 1801801801 > > and I have net access. > > Maybe your commit command is causing you pain. It doesn't work on all > cards. > > commit Some cards may not apply changes done through Wireless > Extensions immediately (they may wait to > aggregate the changes or apply it only when the card is > brought up via ifconfig). This command > (when available) forces the card to apply all pending changes. > This is normally not needed, because the card will > eventually apply the changes, but can be useful > for debugging. > > --Matthew Rogers > > Mario Lombardo wrote: > >> I'm doing this in Debian Etch: >> iwconfig wlan0 mode managed commit >> >> yet I'm getting: >> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : >> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. >> >> I've also populated /etc/network/interfaces with specs from >> /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian and I've run "ifup wlan0" >> with similar results. I have the D-Link DWL-520 card. I realize >> there are later revisions ("C" and after) that aren't the Prism 2.5 >> chipset, but lspci reveals: >> 00:08.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan >> chipset (rev 01) >> >> and respective drivers: >> orinoco_pci 6656 0 >> orinoco 34580 1 orinoco_pci >> hermes 7040 2 orinoco_pci,orinoco >> >> I just want to attach this desktop station to the wireless router. >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> /mario >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 13:06:51 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CI6pQD025001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:06:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CI6pGF025000 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:06:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CI6p2L024996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:06:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CI6oZC018203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:06:50 -0500 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CHlsPD029065 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:47:54 -0500 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i28so3492797wxd.1 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:47:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=3E0+Lfow5H5KEPvdGD+Nw9i31K7OOL5PYd2i+Z2Sd3o=; b=mCFHjtJscEHvmsphpl14hpvGeD/cHqIUKg+QEzK9zMZFTLIXvxDDFOk/Soj3VQd2Qaq3xBoCf26blER0bpemWS1T6v+IGybdJoiEDkadRtJNo9N8h7FKmWAjzerja3TXviYSK7zwM8o9YesYzLHeBJFrc44S3z3gt70pWNx1iWU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=b1qsF4mPK/52g/SfafdR4xx80W9s9TnO1qo+b61HgCrsxPtEJ8WvWpKeS0oEcFS9qE7MN9SrSiBQ0x950T+sdxL0o/Mk6WOgCMG/5upQ/u9IsYAILNQs/nxTG8dLv53y4fqi1mk3W3lKG6jJzfiSIJq5YTeZhRHvwtzehxus+OM= Received: by 10.100.151.5 with SMTP id y5mr7114832and.106.1205344072219; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c40sm19677811anc.16.2008.03.12.10.47.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:45:31 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: wx-out-0506.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-7.349, required 6, AWL -5.00, BAYES_00 -2.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ron Youvan wrote: >> What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support >> (base-64 is not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see a >> way to do it. trn has the same level of support but is easier to >> make it DTRT by virtue of it being textual. Both suck, however. > > I like and use pan, the latest version allows a directory be assigned > to each group and a changeable field. Ehhh couldn't help myself. I've been away from Usenet for quite some time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_clients /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 13:09:19 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CI9IcM025027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:09:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CI9IF5025026 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:09:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CI9IxL025022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:09:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CI9GvK018365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:09:18 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CI0gab018644 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:00:42 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 36368B4C837; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22853B4C837 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D81A54.7090506@runithard.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:00:52 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] errors configuring wlan0 with iwconfig in Debian Etch References: <47D6ED68.1020301@alienscience.com> <47D80084.3060802@runithard.com> <47D80757.1040506@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: <47D80757.1040506@alienscience.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.594, required 6, AWL -3.10, BAD_WORD_Hermes 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I've setup wireless for a madwifi card, a broadcom card using NDISWRAPPER and intel wireless. The only one that acted strange was the broadcom card where I had to declare the network key as shared and it worked. The rest work with 0 effort beyond those basic commands. I would say your having a deeper rooted system/driver/hardware issue. It should take the commands.. your root right? --Matthew Rogers Mario Lombardo wrote: > Perhaps there is something wrong with this card?? Can anybody confirm > this? [sigh] > > windy:~# iwconfig essid "blah" > Error : unrecognised wireless request "blah" > windy:~# iwconfig essid blah Error : unrecognised wireless request "blah" > windy:~# man iwconfig > Reformatting iwconfig(8), please wait... > windy:~# iwconfig wlan0 essid blah > Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : > SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. > windy:~# iwconfig wifi0 essid blah > Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : > SET failed on device wifi0 ; Invalid argument. > windy:~# iwconfig wlan0 key 1801801801 > Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : > SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. > windy:~# > > /mario > > > Matthew Rogers wrote: >> Seems like a lot of commands versus what I do.. >> >> iwconfig essid "rogers" >> iwconfig wlan0 key 1801801801 >> >> and I have net access. >> >> Maybe your commit command is causing you pain. It doesn't work on all >> cards. >> >> commit Some cards may not apply changes done through Wireless >> Extensions immediately (they may wait to >> aggregate the changes or apply it only when the card is >> brought up via ifconfig). This command >> (when available) forces the card to apply all pending >> changes. >> This is normally not needed, because the card will >> eventually apply the changes, but can be useful >> for debugging. >> >> --Matthew Rogers >> >> Mario Lombardo wrote: >> >>> I'm doing this in Debian Etch: >>> iwconfig wlan0 mode managed commit >>> >>> yet I'm getting: >>> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : >>> SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported. >>> >>> I've also populated /etc/network/interfaces with specs from >>> /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian and I've run "ifup wlan0" >>> with similar results. I have the D-Link DWL-520 card. I realize >>> there are later revisions ("C" and after) that aren't the Prism 2.5 >>> chipset, but lspci reveals: >>> 00:08.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan >>> chipset (rev 01) >>> >>> and respective drivers: >>> orinoco_pci 6656 0 >>> orinoco 34580 1 orinoco_pci >>> hermes 7040 2 orinoco_pci,orinoco >>> >>> I just want to attach this desktop station to the wireless router. >>> What am I doing wrong? >>> >>> /mario >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >>> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >>> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >>> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked >> Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages >> posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the >> official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. >> >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 13:47:23 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CIlN8K025349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:47:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CIlNZF025348 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:47:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CIlMqr025344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:47:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CIlME8021110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:47:22 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CIXO1S020471 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:33:24 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXM007CRRJ47QN0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:33:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:33:03 -0500 (EST) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.02, required 6, AWL -2.45, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Ron Youvan wrote: >>> What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support (base-64 is >>> not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see a way to do it. >>> trn has the same level of support but is easier to make it DTRT by virtue >>> of it being textual. Both suck, however. >> >> I like and use pan, the latest version allows a directory be assigned >> to each group and a changeable field. > > Ehhh couldn't help myself. I've been away from Usenet for quite some time. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_clients I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) proclaims it to be "a newsreader for GNOME". Will it work without GNOME? Anyone use it that way? I use no environment, fvwm2 alone. -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? [TOFU := text oben, A: Top-posting. followup unten] Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet? -- Daniel Jensen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 14:09:52 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJ9pOO025548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:09:52 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CJ9poh025547 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJ9pnh025543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJ9plJ022715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:09:51 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJ4rsq008837 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:04:53 -0500 Received: from [71.40.182.34] by hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080312190453.HIID2919.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@[71.40.182.34]>; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:04:53 +0000 Message-ID: <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:04:55 +0000 From: Ron Youvan Organization: HAM Radio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080212 SeaMonkey/1.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.245, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_23 0.60, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08, WGL_ka4inm_Pat_tampabay_Pdo_rr_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) > proclaims it to be "a newsreader for GNOME". Will it work without > GNOME? Anyone use it that way? I use no environment, fvwm2 alone. pan does not require gnome! It has about 3 dependencies that most later day distributions already have. I have been using it since Slackware dropped gnome, but I do miss many of those programs. The things that all you to install gnome got me in trouble twice, so I'll wait on that. -- Ron KA4INM - Please pay your taxes promptly our illegal aliens need the free benefits! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 14:37:36 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJbaKP025790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CJbaFJ025789 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJbad9025785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJbUtP024258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:32 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJ3iZI024010 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:03:44 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so680909and.117 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:03:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=DU6BfL8JckIQyX7p70dI0w8OjHUWLcIr6qvUgBUcfws=; b=DBYSB6ltYuBPxiuliuMbVmKHijCRt+DgMFlRgtZKUeGgG0sB9Zp4mMrDqkPJO0+Hf7Goa5P8eml1igwXmQ4p0Hg8+Qd/oi4/DPzAwTNpXU9/62IU0fKHn/wIWqexLS+nofqYhv8BMQO0P6pnWEi1WfkrHYHsAP51p1GOGHVJw3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=X25KrdIhsUSMSzGgJ0Fp2Fx9yBFz2Z1yHCp2Jqk3zQg3DV+yaPOkti93l4WPl1lYuF4P6q7VucSiDJV9ZD/hm3WVLlUMaAeF3jnA/n/p8C2Kjhdceu1Y5/Z4xe6hOGY8Pff17Nwt0KyYiRsc0oYU2m41Z9ggfBGW1G2G5xeyyeg= Received: by 10.100.57.6 with SMTP id f6mr17076073ana.11.1205348624396; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c23sm19805663ana.15.2008.03.12.12.03.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D82901.4010405@alienscience.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:03:29 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: an-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.405, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Mario Lombardo wrote: > >> Ron Youvan wrote: >>>> What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support >>>> (base-64 is not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see >>>> a way to do it. trn has the same level of support but is easier to >>>> make it DTRT by virtue of it being textual. Both suck, however. >>> >>> I like and use pan, the latest version allows a directory be assigned >>> to each group and a changeable field. >> >> Ehhh couldn't help myself. I've been away from Usenet for quite some >> time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_news_clients > > I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page > (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) proclaims it to be "a newsreader for > GNOME". Will it work without GNOME? Anyone use it that way? I use no > environment, fvwm2 alone. > I'm speculating it will since it runs under Mac OS X under X11, which has nothing about GNOME or otherwise: http://homepage.mac.com/machiavel/Text/internet.html#Pan:_free_newsreader_for_xwindows /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 14:39:44 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJdiLb025812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:39:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CJdi71025811 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:39:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJdhYe025807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:39:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJdhXX024351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:39:43 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJWiSH002068 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:32:44 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXM00195U9WB2X1@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:32:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> X-HELO: vms042pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.038, required 6, AWL -1.52, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Ron Youvan wrote: >> I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) >> proclaims it to be "a newsreader for GNOME". Will it work without GNOME? >> Anyone use it that way? I use no environment, fvwm2 alone. > > pan does not require gnome! It has about 3 dependencies that > most later day distributions already have. > > I have been using it since Slackware dropped gnome, but I > do miss many of those programs. The things that all you to > install gnome got me in trouble twice, so I'll wait on that. Urk. My apt is messed up -- I asked Synaptic to install Pan, and it presented me with a dialog box: > To be removed [68 packages] > To be installed [50-some packages] > To be upgraded [30-some packages] [Cancel] [OK] No thanks, I'll go for source. That is, unless there's an apt wizard in the audience. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Unix is user-friendly; it's just picky about who it makes friends with. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 14:42:08 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJg813025858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:42:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CJg8KI025857 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:42:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJg8Vl025853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:42:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJg7xR024557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:42:07 -0500 Received: from randymail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (mailbigip.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.5]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJbxZO012236 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:59 -0500 Received: from ws33.ss.szmidt.org (rrcs-24-73-199-62.se.biz.rr.com [24.73.199.62]) by randymail-a12.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D63A8C38 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: steve szmidt To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:37:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803121537.56335.steve@szmidt.org> X-HELO: randymail-a12.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.158, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.62, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG 0.61, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08, WGL_steve_Pat_szmidt_Pdo_org -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tuesday 18 March 2008, Eben King wrote: > I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) > proclaims it to be "a newsreader for GNOME". Will it work without GNOME? > Anyone use it that way? I use no environment, fvwm2 alone. These days pretty much all applications written under each manager will work on the other. -- Steve Szmidt "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 15:01:03 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CK13hP026053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:01:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CK13r9026052 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:01:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CK0wZf026044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:00:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CK0wJ9025720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:00:58 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJv0Qd005793 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:57:00 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so685397and.117 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=fpTSzaTzGCr39vw4y9lmiIWeICp4rEZ5XonA8GpEveY=; b=wCRzWwWFeebZcQyglv5d3/7ftCsY7i+LR5PmD1q4zbfXAASTwfEywaASRg8+VNR2EaVcu8aDoTbPKTpG73FFdq6n8WlV3b9mlr+dPSkE+yFmw/TvGI3C/59jmISnG/SFUqc+JBPA6OKWOWjTFziJ8hiwraSo/3PRRilmngZo34Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=mn6B7rGysu1IdO1cVXTthmbBb+CBu9Sw+WHWdkHdHtlyvoZxZOIN/sn4w7Akw/WH0SlwMSPLCNFGCdJicMcqlaKXQpOsdh9WWVskDiNqE40eTlmoAbtUphN7gQq2hMInhfbdTnuhKOM1Hn4Uz4MkJFkYCfd67pg8XiYv7urVuzM= Received: by 10.100.46.10 with SMTP id t10mr17105727ant.53.1205351820001; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d25sm23180868and.2.2008.03.12.12.56.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D8352E.8010506@alienscience.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:55:26 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: an-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.405, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Ron Youvan wrote: > >>> I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page >>> (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) proclaims it to be "a newsreader for >>> GNOME". Will it work without GNOME? Anyone use it that way? I use >>> no environment, fvwm2 alone. >> >> pan does not require gnome! It has about 3 dependencies that >> most later day distributions already have. >> >> I have been using it since Slackware dropped gnome, but I >> do miss many of those programs. The things that all you to >> install gnome got me in trouble twice, so I'll wait on that. > > Urk. My apt is messed up -- I asked Synaptic to install Pan, and it > presented me with a dialog box: > >> To be removed > [68 packages] >> To be installed > [50-some packages] >> To be upgraded > [30-some packages] > > [Cancel] [OK] > > No thanks, I'll go for source. > > That is, unless there's an apt wizard in the audience. > Not a wizard, but I do troll sometimes [nyuck-nyuck-nyuck]. Ehh it was free. What does this say? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade then do this: apt-get install pan I wouldn't put too much faith in Synaptic even though it's good. You might have selected other packages?? /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 15:14:10 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKEAsK026131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CKEAuE026130 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKEAtQ026126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKE9JH026989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:14:10 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CJuibS028042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:56:45 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50284 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZX4D-0005dP-Hx for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:56:49 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 868D556A67; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:56:41 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders Message-ID: <20080312195641.GG20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.961, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 4.44, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:32:20PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Ron Youvan wrote: > >>> I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) >>> proclaims it to be "a newsreader for GNOME". Will it work without GNOME? >>> Anyone use it that way? I use no environment, fvwm2 alone. >> >> pan does not require gnome! It has about 3 dependencies that >> most later day distributions already have. >> >> I have been using it since Slackware dropped gnome, but I >> do miss many of those programs. The things that all you to >> install gnome got me in trouble twice, so I'll wait on that. > > Urk. My apt is messed up -- I asked Synaptic to install Pan, and it > presented me with a dialog box: > >> To be removed > [68 packages] >> To be installed > [50-some packages] >> To be upgraded > [30-some packages] > > [Cancel] [OK] > > No thanks, I'll go for source. > > That is, unless there's an apt wizard in the audience. > Whenever you run into this, go to a console or xterm, and type: apt-get install mypackage It may do *some* of the same, but usually doesn't drag 50 packages along with it the way aptitude and synaptic do. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 15:47:17 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKlHHW026430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:47:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CKlH1D026429 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:47:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKlHJL026425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:47:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-16.nks.net [209.34.225.176]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKlHFk030180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:47:17 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKkHIb019670 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:46:17 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 7FD7AB4C646; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F40BB4C2E8 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:28 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.326, required 6, AWL -1.73, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_FV 0.08, TW_VW 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Sounds like you need to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade before you apt-get install pan :-) Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Ron Youvan wrote: > >>> I'm thinking I'll go for Pan. Its home page >>> (http://pan.rebelbase.com/) proclaims it to be "a newsreader for >>> GNOME". Will it work without GNOME? Anyone use it that way? I use no >>> environment, fvwm2 alone. >> >> pan does not require gnome! It has about 3 dependencies that >> most later day distributions already have. >> >> I have been using it since Slackware dropped gnome, but I >> do miss many of those programs. The things that all you to >> install gnome got me in trouble twice, so I'll wait on that. > > Urk. My apt is messed up -- I asked Synaptic to install Pan, and it > presented me with a dialog box: > >> To be removed > [68 packages] >> To be installed > [50-some packages] >> To be upgraded > [30-some packages] > > [Cancel] [OK] > > No thanks, I'll go for source. > > That is, unless there's an apt wizard in the audience. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 15:55:23 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKtMNw026485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:55:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CKtMkX026484 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:55:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKtMJ9026480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:55:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKtL7b030662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:55:22 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CKrSZ4015886 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:53:28 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXM00BELXWQCI20@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:50:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: <20080312195641.GG20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <20080312195641.GG20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.424, required 6, AWL -6.74, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:32:20PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > >> Urk. My apt is messed up -- I asked Synaptic to install Pan, and it >> presented me with a dialog box: >> >>> To be removed >> [68 packages] >>> To be installed >> [50-some packages] >>> To be upgraded >> [30-some packages] >> >> [Cancel] [OK] >> >> No thanks, I'll go for source. >> >> That is, unless there's an apt wizard in the audience. > > Whenever you run into this, go to a console or xterm, and type: > > apt-get install mypackage > > It may do *some* of the same, but usually doesn't drag 50 packages along > with it the way aptitude and synaptic do. Would it also uninstall those 68 packages? Among them I saw synaptic and evince and it'd suck to lose those and 66 others. I hold no expectation that apt-get could actually _do_ it (it'd probably hit a snag before it got that far), but still. FTR, I installed Pan on the laptop, no problem. Except that I'd rather have it here, that is. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 My parents went to a planet where the inhabitants have no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this lousy F-shirt. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 16:12:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLCELI026666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:12:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CLCEdh026665 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:12:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLCEFD026661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:12:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLCEtX032301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:12:14 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLBmkB020429 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:11:48 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXM00HB4YVC1K70@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:11:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.769, required 6, AWL -3.14, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, TW_BG 0.08, TW_BK 0.08, TW_BL 0.08, TW_BW 0.08, TW_BX 0.08, TW_CD 0.08, TW_DP 0.08, TW_GD 0.08, TW_GT 0.08, TW_IB 0.08, TW_KR 0.08, TW_TK 0.08, TW_XP 0.08) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Sounds like you need to > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade > > before you > > apt-get install pan Did that. Same song, second verse: root@pc:~# apt-get install pan Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done The following extra packages will be installed: apt apt-utils aptitude belocs-locales-bin coreutils cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cupsys-common debhelper dpkg dpkg-dev fetchmail gcc-4.1-base gconf2 gconf2-common gnome-keyring gnome-media-common gs-common gs-esp iso-codes language-selector-common libatk1.0-0 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbeagle0 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-common libc6 libc6-i686 libcairo2 libcroco3 libcupsimage2 libcupsys2 libdb4.4 libdrm2 libedataserver1.2-7 libfreetype6 libgail-common libgail18 libgcc1 libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgnet2.0-0 libgnome-keyring0 libgnome-media0 libgnome2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeui-common libgnutls13 libgpg-error0 libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libgtkhtml2-0 libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common libgutenprint2 libkrb53 libmetacity0 libncurses5 libopencdk8 liborbit2 libpam-modules libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpoppler1 libpopt0 libreadline4 libreadline5 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libselinux1 libsepol1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libtasn1-3 libwnck18 libxml2 libxslt1.1 locales lsb-base metacity metacity-common openssl poppler-utils python python-apt python-central python-epydoc python-gdbm python-gnomecanvas python-gst0.10 python-minimal python-support python2.4 python2.4-minimal readline-common samba samba-common smbclient smbfs ssl-cert sysv-rc unattended-upgrades xautolock xbase-clients zlib1g Suggested packages: apt-doc libparse-debianchangelog-perl tasksel debtags kdeprint gtklp cupsys-pt xpp dh-make debian-keyring glibc-doc libfreetype6-dev rng-tools desktop-base gnutls-bin gstreamer0.10-tools gstreamer0.10-plugins gutenprint-locales krb5-doc krb5-user ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp librsvg2-bin gnome-control-center python-doc python-profiler epydoc-doc python2.4-doc python2.4-profiler sysv-rc-conf bum Recommended packages: aptitude-doc-en aptitude-doc ca-certificates gnome-media psfontmgr libatk1.0-data libtasn1-3-bin tetex-extra smbldap-tools xlockmore xtrlock The following packages will be REMOVED: atomix base-config cupsys cupsys-driver-gimpprint cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data evince fetchmailconf gcalctool gconf-editor gdm gedit gstreamer-editor gtk2-engines-lighthouseblue gtk2-engines-smooth gtkhtml3.8 gucharmap hal-device-manager hwdb-client language-selector libbonoboui2-0 libc6-dev libcamel1.2-6 libcupsys2-gnutls10 libebook1.2-5 libecal1.2-3 libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-1 libedataserver1.2-4 libedataserverui1.2-6 libeel2-2 libegroupwise1.2-8 libglib2.0-dev libgnome-desktop-2 libgnome2-0 libgnomeui-0 libgtkhtml3.8-15 libgucharmap4 liblpint-bonobo0 libncurses5-dev libpanel-applet2-0 pysol python-gnome2 python-gnome2-extras python-tk python-unit python2.4-apt python2.4-epydoc python2.4-gdbm python2.4-gnome2 python2.4-gnome2-extras python2.4-tk python2.4-unit serpentine synaptic update-manager update-notifier yelp zlib1g-dev The following NEW packages will be installed: belocs-locales-bin cupsys-common gcc-4.1-base gconf2-common gnome-media-common iso-codes language-selector-common libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbeagle0 libcupsys2 libdb4.4 libdrm2 libedataserver1.2-7 libgail18 libgnet2.0-0 libgnome-media0 libgnutls13 libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common libgutenprint2 libpoppler1 libsepol1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libssl0.9.8 libtasn1-3 metacity-common openssl pan poppler-utils python-central python-gnomecanvas python-gst0.10 python-support readline-common ssl-cert unattended-upgrades The following packages will be upgraded: apt apt-utils aptitude coreutils cupsys-bsd cupsys-client debhelper dpkg dpkg-dev fetchmail gconf2 gnome-keyring gs-common gs-esp libatk1.0-0 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-common libc6 libc6-i686 libcairo2 libcroco3 libcupsimage2 libfreetype6 libgail-common libgcc1 libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgnome-keyring0 libgnome2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeui-common libgpg-error0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common libgtkhtml2-0 libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libkrb53 libmetacity0 libncurses5 libopencdk8 liborbit2 libpam-modules libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpopt0 libreadline4 libreadline5 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libselinux1 libstdc++6 libwnck18 libxml2 libxslt1.1 locales lsb-base metacity python python-apt python-epydoc python-gdbm python-minimal python2.4 python2.4-minimal samba samba-common smbclient smbfs sysv-rc xautolock xbase-clients zlib1g 79 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 58 to remove and 773 not upgraded. Need to get 61.8MB of archives. After unpacking 52.6MB disk space will be freed. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? I ^C-ed it. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 AQUARIUS: There's travel in your future when your tongue freezes to the back of a speeding bus. Fill the void in your pathetic life by playing Whack-a-Mole 17 hours a day. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 16:20:55 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLKtPS026810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:20:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CLKt4s026809 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:20:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLKtmT026805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:20:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLKt8M000396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:20:55 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLJaDq024492 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:19:36 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 8CAC9B4C646; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78825B4C2E8 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D848F3.80205@runithard.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:19:47 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <20080312195641.GG20298@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.251, required 6, AWL -2.50, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Apt is like the force, don't question it -- embrace it's greatness. =) apt-get -s upgrade This will output what is going to happen without doing it. Try doing that before the apt-get install of pan. You've probably got some old libs that aren't in use and lots of other things that are out of date. <3 apt Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 04:32:20PM -0400, Eben King wrote: >> >>> Urk. My apt is messed up -- I asked Synaptic to install Pan, and it >>> presented me with a dialog box: >>> >>>> To be removed >>> [68 packages] >>>> To be installed >>> [50-some packages] >>>> To be upgraded >>> [30-some packages] >>> >>> [Cancel] [OK] >>> >>> No thanks, I'll go for source. >>> >>> That is, unless there's an apt wizard in the audience. >> >> Whenever you run into this, go to a console or xterm, and type: >> >> apt-get install mypackage >> >> It may do *some* of the same, but usually doesn't drag 50 packages along >> with it the way aptitude and synaptic do. > > Would it also uninstall those 68 packages? Among them I saw synaptic > and evince and it'd suck to lose those and 66 others. I hold no > expectation that apt-get could actually _do_ it (it'd probably hit a > snag before it got that far), but still. > > FTR, I installed Pan on the laptop, no problem. Except that I'd rather > have it here, that is. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 16:22:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLMEPK026831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:22:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CLMErx026830 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:22:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLMD43026826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:22:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLMDdp000486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:22:13 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLKcM1026215 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:20:38 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 06314B4C646; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD96B4C2E8 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D84932.7030206@runithard.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:20:50 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.673, required 6, AWL -4.53, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_BG 0.08, TW_BK 0.08, TW_BL 0.08, TW_BW 0.08, TW_BX 0.08, TW_CD 0.08, TW_DP 0.08, TW_GD 0.08, TW_GT 0.08, TW_IB 0.08, TW_KR 0.08, TW_TK 0.08, TW_XP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net it looks like you've changed or added repositories maybe for another distribution? Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > >> Sounds like you need to >> >> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade >> >> before you >> >> apt-get install pan > > Did that. Same song, second verse: > > root@pc:~# apt-get install pan > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > apt apt-utils aptitude belocs-locales-bin coreutils cupsys-bsd > cupsys-client > cupsys-common debhelper dpkg dpkg-dev fetchmail gcc-4.1-base gconf2 > gconf2-common gnome-keyring gnome-media-common gs-common gs-esp iso-codes > language-selector-common libatk1.0-0 libavahi-common-data > libavahi-common3 > libavahi-glib1 libbeagle0 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common > libbonoboui2-common > libc6 libc6-i686 libcairo2 libcroco3 libcupsimage2 libcupsys2 libdb4.4 > libdrm2 libedataserver1.2-7 libfreetype6 libgail-common libgail18 libgcc1 > libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgnet2.0-0 > libgnome-keyring0 libgnome-media0 libgnome2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 > libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeui-common libgnutls13 > libgpg-error0 libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common > libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 > libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common > libgtkhtml2-0 > libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common > libgutenprint2 libkrb53 libmetacity0 libncurses5 libopencdk8 liborbit2 > libpam-modules libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpoppler1 libpopt0 > libreadline4 libreadline5 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libselinux1 > libsepol1 > libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libtasn1-3 libwnck18 libxml2 > libxslt1.1 locales lsb-base metacity metacity-common openssl > poppler-utils > python python-apt python-central python-epydoc python-gdbm > python-gnomecanvas python-gst0.10 python-minimal python-support python2.4 > python2.4-minimal readline-common samba samba-common smbclient smbfs > ssl-cert sysv-rc unattended-upgrades xautolock xbase-clients zlib1g > Suggested packages: > apt-doc libparse-debianchangelog-perl tasksel debtags kdeprint gtklp > cupsys-pt xpp dh-make debian-keyring glibc-doc libfreetype6-dev rng-tools > desktop-base gnutls-bin gstreamer0.10-tools gstreamer0.10-plugins > gutenprint-locales krb5-doc krb5-user ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho > ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp > ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp librsvg2-bin gnome-control-center > python-doc python-profiler epydoc-doc python2.4-doc python2.4-profiler > sysv-rc-conf bum > Recommended packages: > aptitude-doc-en aptitude-doc ca-certificates gnome-media psfontmgr > libatk1.0-data libtasn1-3-bin tetex-extra smbldap-tools xlockmore xtrlock > The following packages will be REMOVED: > atomix base-config cupsys cupsys-driver-gimpprint > cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data evince fetchmailconf gcalctool > gconf-editor gdm > gedit gstreamer-editor gtk2-engines-lighthouseblue gtk2-engines-smooth > gtkhtml3.8 gucharmap hal-device-manager hwdb-client language-selector > libbonoboui2-0 libc6-dev libcamel1.2-6 libcupsys2-gnutls10 libebook1.2-5 > libecal1.2-3 libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-1 libedataserver1.2-4 > libedataserverui1.2-6 libeel2-2 libegroupwise1.2-8 libglib2.0-dev > libgnome-desktop-2 libgnome2-0 libgnomeui-0 libgtkhtml3.8-15 > libgucharmap4 > liblpint-bonobo0 libncurses5-dev libpanel-applet2-0 pysol python-gnome2 > python-gnome2-extras python-tk python-unit python2.4-apt python2.4-epydoc > python2.4-gdbm python2.4-gnome2 python2.4-gnome2-extras python2.4-tk > python2.4-unit serpentine synaptic update-manager update-notifier yelp > zlib1g-dev > The following NEW packages will be installed: > belocs-locales-bin cupsys-common gcc-4.1-base gconf2-common > gnome-media-common iso-codes language-selector-common > libavahi-common-data > libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbeagle0 libcupsys2 libdb4.4 libdrm2 > libedataserver1.2-7 libgail18 libgnet2.0-0 libgnome-media0 libgnutls13 > libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 > libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common libgutenprint2 libpoppler1 > libsepol1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libssl0.9.8 libtasn1-3 metacity-common > openssl > pan poppler-utils python-central python-gnomecanvas python-gst0.10 > python-support readline-common ssl-cert unattended-upgrades > The following packages will be upgraded: > apt apt-utils aptitude coreutils cupsys-bsd cupsys-client debhelper dpkg > dpkg-dev fetchmail gconf2 gnome-keyring gs-common gs-esp libatk1.0-0 > libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-common libc6 libc6-i686 > libcairo2 libcroco3 libcupsimage2 libfreetype6 libgail-common libgcc1 > libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgnome-keyring0 > libgnome2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0 > libgnomeprint2.2-data > libgnomeui-common libgpg-error0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin > libgtk2.0-common > libgtkhtml2-0 libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libkrb53 > libmetacity0 libncurses5 libopencdk8 liborbit2 libpam-modules > libpango1.0-0 > libpango1.0-common libpopt0 libreadline4 libreadline5 librsvg2-2 > librsvg2-common libselinux1 libstdc++6 libwnck18 libxml2 libxslt1.1 > locales > lsb-base metacity python python-apt python-epydoc python-gdbm > python-minimal > python2.4 python2.4-minimal samba samba-common smbclient smbfs sysv-rc > xautolock xbase-clients zlib1g > 79 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 58 to remove and 773 not upgraded. > Need to get 61.8MB of archives. > After unpacking 52.6MB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? > > I ^C-ed it. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 16:29:22 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLTMNp026886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:29:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CLTMU9026885 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:29:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLTLtt026881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:29:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLTL9e000860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:29:21 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLSWiY005486 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:28:32 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXM008GRZING5S3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:28:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> X-HELO: vms173003pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.595, required 6, AWL -5.31, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > >> Sounds like you need to >> >> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade >> >> before you >> >> apt-get install pan > > Did that. Same song, second verse: > > root@pc:~# apt-get install pan > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done (list deleted) On second thought, while I don't mind gaining a bunch of packages (apt has been down a long time, so it's not unreasonable that it'd have a lot to do), I do mind losing some of them (in particular cups* fetchmail* gcalc* gedit synaptic). The rest, I don't know what their absence would break. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 16:43:40 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLheJh026992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:43:40 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CLhdjd026991 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:43:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLhdgX026987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:43:39 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLhdGc001576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:43:39 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLggOk018595 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:42:42 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXN00BTR0AZCM80@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:42:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: <47D84932.7030206@runithard.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> <47D84932.7030206@runithard.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.888, required 6, AWL -7.06, BAYES_20 -0.74, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_74 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: >> >>> Sounds like you need to >>> >>> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade >>> >>> before you >>> >>> apt-get install pan >> >> Did that. Same song, second verse: >> >> root@pc:~# apt-get install pan >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree... Done snip >> Need to get 61.8MB of archives. >> After unpacking 52.6MB disk space will be freed. >> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? >> >> I ^C-ed it. > it looks like you've changed or added repositories Sure. That's what they're for, after all. Maybe the packages it wants to remove are offered by a repository I don't have now? Is there a way of finding what repository offers them on a working Ubuntu system (say, my laptop) so I can then add them to sources.list here? > maybe for another distribution? Nope, not here. Another machine went from Ubuntu to Kubuntu, but that still shouldn't be a big change. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 16:46:55 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLktpE027026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CLkt5a027025 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLkteM027021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLksqa001715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:55 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLkObg016976 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:46:25 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id DF825B4C435; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D193FB4C435 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D84F3C.3000202@runithard.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:46:36 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] HOW-TO Ubuntu 64bit Amazon Downloader Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.341, required 6, AWL -3.59, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net AMAZON downloader for MP3 albums has support for LINUX! It doesn't have 64bit support however.... I wrote a simple 4 steps to make it work on 64bit Linux (using APT). OnClick for albums, in LINUX! Apple......... goodbye. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 16:50:56 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLouaC027061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:50:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CLouHs027060 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:50:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLot68027056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:50:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLotaM001922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:50:55 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CLo1CM004087 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:50:01 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 5C567B4C837; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BA32B4C435 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47D85014.1060507@runithard.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:50:12 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.93, required 6, AWL -3.78, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_41 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_BG 0.08, TW_BK 0.08, TW_BL 0.08, TW_BW 0.08, TW_BX 0.08, TW_CD 0.08, TW_DP 0.08, TW_GD 0.08, TW_GT 0.08, TW_IB 0.08, TW_KR 0.08, TW_TK 0.08, TW_XP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Looking again at your list it looks like an OLD cups is being removed and a new one is being installed. A lot of the packages have slightly different names. I say let it ride. It'll be fine ;-) Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > >> Sounds like you need to >> >> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade >> >> before you >> >> apt-get install pan > > Did that. Same song, second verse: > > root@pc:~# apt-get install pan > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done > The following extra packages will be installed: > apt apt-utils aptitude belocs-locales-bin coreutils cupsys-bsd > cupsys-client > cupsys-common debhelper dpkg dpkg-dev fetchmail gcc-4.1-base gconf2 > gconf2-common gnome-keyring gnome-media-common gs-common gs-esp iso-codes > language-selector-common libatk1.0-0 libavahi-common-data > libavahi-common3 > libavahi-glib1 libbeagle0 libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common > libbonoboui2-common > libc6 libc6-i686 libcairo2 libcroco3 libcupsimage2 libcupsys2 libdb4.4 > libdrm2 libedataserver1.2-7 libfreetype6 libgail-common libgail18 libgcc1 > libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgnet2.0-0 > libgnome-keyring0 libgnome-media0 libgnome2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 > libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeui-common libgnutls13 > libgpg-error0 libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common > libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 > libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common > libgtkhtml2-0 > libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common > libgutenprint2 libkrb53 libmetacity0 libncurses5 libopencdk8 liborbit2 > libpam-modules libpango1.0-0 libpango1.0-common libpoppler1 libpopt0 > libreadline4 libreadline5 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libselinux1 > libsepol1 > libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6 libtasn1-3 libwnck18 libxml2 > libxslt1.1 locales lsb-base metacity metacity-common openssl > poppler-utils > python python-apt python-central python-epydoc python-gdbm > python-gnomecanvas python-gst0.10 python-minimal python-support python2.4 > python2.4-minimal readline-common samba samba-common smbclient smbfs > ssl-cert sysv-rc unattended-upgrades xautolock xbase-clients zlib1g > Suggested packages: > apt-doc libparse-debianchangelog-perl tasksel debtags kdeprint gtklp > cupsys-pt xpp dh-make debian-keyring glibc-doc libfreetype6-dev rng-tools > desktop-base gnutls-bin gstreamer0.10-tools gstreamer0.10-plugins > gutenprint-locales krb5-doc krb5-user ttf-kochi-gothic ttf-kochi-mincho > ttf-thryomanes ttf-baekmuk ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp > ttf-arphic-gkai00mp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp librsvg2-bin gnome-control-center > python-doc python-profiler epydoc-doc python2.4-doc python2.4-profiler > sysv-rc-conf bum > Recommended packages: > aptitude-doc-en aptitude-doc ca-certificates gnome-media psfontmgr > libatk1.0-data libtasn1-3-bin tetex-extra smbldap-tools xlockmore xtrlock > The following packages will be REMOVED: > atomix base-config cupsys cupsys-driver-gimpprint > cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data evince fetchmailconf gcalctool > gconf-editor gdm > gedit gstreamer-editor gtk2-engines-lighthouseblue gtk2-engines-smooth > gtkhtml3.8 gucharmap hal-device-manager hwdb-client language-selector > libbonoboui2-0 libc6-dev libcamel1.2-6 libcupsys2-gnutls10 libebook1.2-5 > libecal1.2-3 libedata-book1.2-2 libedata-cal1.2-1 libedataserver1.2-4 > libedataserverui1.2-6 libeel2-2 libegroupwise1.2-8 libglib2.0-dev > libgnome-desktop-2 libgnome2-0 libgnomeui-0 libgtkhtml3.8-15 > libgucharmap4 > liblpint-bonobo0 libncurses5-dev libpanel-applet2-0 pysol python-gnome2 > python-gnome2-extras python-tk python-unit python2.4-apt python2.4-epydoc > python2.4-gdbm python2.4-gnome2 python2.4-gnome2-extras python2.4-tk > python2.4-unit serpentine synaptic update-manager update-notifier yelp > zlib1g-dev > The following NEW packages will be installed: > belocs-locales-bin cupsys-common gcc-4.1-base gconf2-common > gnome-media-common iso-codes language-selector-common > libavahi-common-data > libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libbeagle0 libcupsys2 libdb4.4 libdrm2 > libedataserver1.2-7 libgail18 libgnet2.0-0 libgnome-media0 libgnutls13 > libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 > libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtop2-7 libgtop2-common libgutenprint2 libpoppler1 > libsepol1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libssl0.9.8 libtasn1-3 metacity-common > openssl > pan poppler-utils python-central python-gnomecanvas python-gst0.10 > python-support readline-common ssl-cert unattended-upgrades > The following packages will be upgraded: > apt apt-utils aptitude coreutils cupsys-bsd cupsys-client debhelper dpkg > dpkg-dev fetchmail gconf2 gnome-keyring gs-common gs-esp libatk1.0-0 > libbonobo2-0 libbonobo2-common libbonoboui2-common libc6 libc6-i686 > libcairo2 libcroco3 libcupsimage2 libfreetype6 libgail-common libgcc1 > libgconf2-4 libgcrypt11 libglib2.0-0 libglib2.0-data libgnome-keyring0 > libgnome2-common libgnomecups1.0-1 libgnomeprint2.2-0 > libgnomeprint2.2-data > libgnomeui-common libgpg-error0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtk2.0-bin > libgtk2.0-common > libgtkhtml2-0 libgtksourceview-common libgtksourceview1.0-0 libkrb53 > libmetacity0 libncurses5 libopencdk8 liborbit2 libpam-modules > libpango1.0-0 > libpango1.0-common libpopt0 libreadline4 libreadline5 librsvg2-2 > librsvg2-common libselinux1 libstdc++6 libwnck18 libxml2 libxslt1.1 > locales > lsb-base metacity python python-apt python-epydoc python-gdbm > python-minimal > python2.4 python2.4-minimal samba samba-common smbclient smbfs sysv-rc > xautolock xbase-clients zlib1g > 79 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 58 to remove and 773 not upgraded. > Need to get 61.8MB of archives. > After unpacking 52.6MB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? > > I ^C-ed it. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 17:26:44 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CMQiOe027418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:26:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CMQiN7027417 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:26:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CMQhsk027413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:26:43 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CMQh9u004370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:26:43 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CMPjOl032394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:25:45 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50434 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZZOQ-0006Hp-Nv for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:25:50 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4831C56A67; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:25:42 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders Message-ID: <20080312222542.GI20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-6.263, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 3.29, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 06:08:34PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > >> Sounds like you need to >> >> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade >> >> before you >> >> apt-get install pan > > Did that. Same song, second verse: > > root@pc:~# apt-get install pan > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree... Done of list > 79 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 58 to remove and 773 not upgraded. > Need to get 61.8MB of archives. > After unpacking 52.6MB disk space will be freed. > Do you want to continue [Y/n]? > > I ^C-ed it. > In many cases, Debian et al, reconfigure packages, obsoleting packages, but replacing them with equivalent functionality. For example, in the cupsys stuff above. Cupsys itself goes away, but cupsys-client, cupsys-common are added instead. It's probably a wash-- just Debian/Ubuntu realigning packages with a different scheme. It doesn't look like you're losing fetchmail, just fetchmailconf, which isn't a loss. You do lose synaptic, but I'm guessing that after this evolution, you can get it back. Also, with all due respect to others' opinions, I would never run apt-get upgrade unless you just want a challenge which breaks most of the software on your box. That can happen with "upgrade". "Update" is different, and just refreshes your repository records. Just keep track of what packages you *really* want. Once you update/upgrade, go back to aptitude or synaptic and see if they're still installed or upgradable, etc. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 18:02:33 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CN2XnE027754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CN2XtX027753 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CN2Xeb027749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CN2WuT006278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:32 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CN157t008767 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:01:05 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXN00H3742B1EN0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:03:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: <20080312222542.GI20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> <20080312222542.GI20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.16, required 6, AWL -4.23, BAYES_50 0.00, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, TW_MN 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 06:08:34PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > >> On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: >> >>> Sounds like you need to >>> >>> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade >>> >>> before you >>> >>> apt-get install pan >> >> Did that. Same song, second verse: >> >> root@pc:~# apt-get install pan >> Reading package lists... Done >> Building dependency tree... Done > > of list > >> 79 upgraded, 42 newly installed, 58 to remove and 773 not upgraded. >> Need to get 61.8MB of archives. >> After unpacking 52.6MB disk space will be freed. >> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? >> >> I ^C-ed it. >> > > In many cases, Debian et al, reconfigure packages, obsoleting packages, > but replacing them with equivalent functionality. For example, in the > cupsys stuff above. Cupsys itself goes away, but cupsys-client, > cupsys-common are added instead. It's probably a wash-- just > Debian/Ubuntu realigning packages with a different scheme. It doesn't > look like you're losing fetchmail, just fetchmailconf, which isn't a > loss. You do lose synaptic, but I'm guessing that after this evolution, > you can get it back. It's doing its thing. > Just keep track of what packages you *really* want. Once you > update/upgrade, go back to aptitude or synaptic and see if they're still > installed or upgradable, etc. OK. -- The mnky gibbering and screeching used to keep me up at night, although in the lst week or so it's prtty mch tailed off to nthng. The smell has gttn noticbly worse in the last cple of days, too. The next time I get a barrl full of mnkys, I'm going to try taking the lid off. -groo, AFCA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Wed Mar 12 18:35:01 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CNZ0dr028035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:35:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2CNZ0Do028034 for slug-track29; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:35:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CNZ0dj028030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:35:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CNZ0Lb008336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:35:00 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2CNYNOU014117 for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:34:23 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXN00HT45LO1EP0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:37:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:33:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47D7F50A.6000804@tampabay.rr.com> <47D816BB.1040705@alienscience.com> <47D82957.8050402@tampabay.rr.com> <47D84124.1050706@runithard.com> <20080312222542.GI20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.366, required 6, AWL -3.84, BAYES_40 -0.18, DATE_IN_FUTURE_96_XX 2.40, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, TW_GD 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> In many cases, Debian et al, reconfigure packages, obsoleting packages, >> but replacing them with equivalent functionality. For example, in the >> cupsys stuff above. Cupsys itself goes away, but cupsys-client, >> cupsys-common are added instead. It's probably a wash-- just >> Debian/Ubuntu realigning packages with a different scheme. It doesn't >> look like you're losing fetchmail, just fetchmailconf, which isn't a >> loss. You do lose synaptic, but I'm guessing that after this evolution, >> you can get it back. > > It's doing its thing. It crashed partway through and took X with it. gdm didn't restart X. O-kay. So I ran "/etc/init.d/gdm stop", gdm's not running, it says. Dandy. I ran "apt-get install pan" again, and it told me that I had to run "dpkg --configure -a" first. I did, no output. Then I ran "apt-get install pan" and it finished what it started. OK, back into X. "/etc/init.d/gdm start" does nothing (apt took out gdm and dicn't replace it? Oh boy...), but "startx" as me works. Note: aptitude doesn't work in rxvt... All right, how do you use aptitude again? I found the package I want: c synaptic 0.57.11ubu I hit + and it changes to ci synaptic +5550kB 0.57.11ubu and turns green. At the bottom of the screen there's a white-on-red two lines that say [1(1)/...] Suggest 16 keeps e: Examine !: Apply .: Next ,: Previous <-- grey What are "keeps"? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Hi! I'm a .sig virus! Copy me to your .sig! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Mar 13 14:28:06 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DJS6mn006267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:28:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2DJS6VC006266 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:28:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DJS5lX006262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:28:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DJS463026976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:28:04 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-81.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DJEulZ024327 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:14:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (rrcs-67-78-3-246.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.3.246]) by postalmail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72E888E9C for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:14:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:14:49 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to make vim DTRT Message-ID: <20080313191449.GA11319@mani.r-stream.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Uptime: 14:30:58 up 5:34, 1 user, load average: 0.19, 0.20, 0.10 Reply-By: Mon Mar 10 15:05:30 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a6.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.378, required 6, AWL -6.12, BAD_WORD_bingo 0.10, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, MANGLED_SEX 1.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Eben King on Monday, March 17, 2008 at 04:41PM -0500: > Something -- I think Google Groups -- is replacing the second space after > a sentence as well as the final space in a time (between H:MM and [ap]m) > with 0xa0 = 0240 which is presumably a non-breakable space in some > encoding. I'd like to replace these with everyday spaces. I've got a > "tr" command that does it ("| tr '\240' ' '") but what I don't know is > how to make vim pipe the whole document through that, and replace all > text with what comes out. > > :%something|tr '\240' ' ' Very close. '%' is the range for the entire file, and you just need the ex command to pipe something to an external program. That command is '!', so you have: :%!tr '\240' ' ' However, you could use vim's (ex's) builtin s///, like so: :%s/\240/ /g Also, if you want to pipe a subset of a file through tr (or vim's builtn s///), you can enter visual mode (with "v"), select lines using the arrow keys, and type ':!tr a-z A-Z'. The selected portion of the text will be piped through 'tr'. Nifty, eh? -- Keep grandma off the streets -- legalize bingo. - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Mar 13 15:22:27 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DKMRqb006806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:22:27 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2DKMRrq006805 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:22:27 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DKMR5r006801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:22:27 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DKMQwa032459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:22:27 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DKLQGU029762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:21:27 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50013 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZtvg-0001fJ-EA for slug@nks.net; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:21:32 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5D3E356A67; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:21:23 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to make vim DTRT Message-ID: <20080313202123.GP20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG Mailing List References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-10.57, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.98, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 04:41:49PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > Something -- I think Google Groups -- is replacing the second space after a > sentence as well as the final space in a time (between H:MM and [ap]m) with > 0xa0 = 0240 which is presumably a non-breakable space in some encoding. > I'd > like to replace these with everyday spaces. I've got a "tr" command that > does it ("| tr '\240' ' '") but what I don't know is how to make vim pipe > the whole document through that, and replace all text with what comes out. > > :%something|tr '\240' ' ' > > is as far as I've got. Anyone? > BTW, Eben, your system clock is *waaay* off. Note the date above: 17 March. I couldn't figure out why your thread was sorting at the bottom of my mailreader. That was why. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Mar 13 16:06:29 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DL6TxS007175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:06:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2DL6TRq007174 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:06:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DL6S3F007170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:06:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DL6R0W004742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:06:28 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DL4FPw018941 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:04:15 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so799721and.117 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:04:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=5Jfsb7HuL2E8YlZwy5JV8xKqKOZn0lXFTuj9qf4P+0A=; b=tCjdD74emMPM9Cqk9mXyG8iJzuH3rUy0eVRkECO1c9kewZhulnQwLYYruYJDKgL+1Yw6ofK6yU/jRIKou1t5tWuCS5K5r5xnLZ1vNK8J2dy6lBa/V0+QoZ2MUzyGQa9ktIyeiD9uuGPzlolsYcCyW6RCBa0TbMuHYaRQHj5DUdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=EsKm9gDMkWvmN46gaWHiAaa1jnwTw0uPW2bxZ0s3LCv2VfJJu7hhcd30S11dbcWjFKc7GfMrBfzB5Lx2h7bLtcGzZOLdG6FKeFnVtcSiTMsP+Frmxzl7XlkczapKiuNse+yGvjtqAoyFROHHA2Y0koa8EJZVDWtVYv5fwFvM3Es= Received: by 10.100.151.5 with SMTP id y5mr10905827and.106.1205442255762; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.local ( [70.126.173.228]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c14sm9646732ana.21.2008.03.13.14.04.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47D9889C.9070604@alienscience.com> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:03:40 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: an-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.892, required 6, AWL -3.54, BAYES_00 -2.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support (base-64 > is not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see a way to do > it. trn has the same level of support but is easier to make it DTRT > by virtue of it being textual. Both suck, however. > I just now found out what ISTM and DTRT mean (I think): ISTM = It seems to me DTRT = Do the right thing Am I simply out of the net lingo loop, not cool, or am I just too old? :-/ /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Thu Mar 13 16:46:23 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DLkNC8007516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:46:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2DLkNED007515 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:46:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DLkNNh007511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:46:23 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DLkNIQ008330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:46:23 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2DLjpP8017262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:45:51 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-189-9.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.189.9]:50674 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JZvFN-00072r-29 for slug@nks.net; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:45:57 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EBE8256A67; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:45:47 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders Message-ID: <20080313214547.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <47D9889C.9070604@alienscience.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47D9889C.9070604@alienscience.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.63, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 4.66, BAYES_20 -0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:03:40PM -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support (base-64 >> is not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see a way to do >> it. trn has the same level of support but is easier to make it DTRT >> by virtue of it being textual. Both suck, however. >> > I just now found out what ISTM and DTRT mean (I think): > ISTM = It seems to me > DTRT = Do the right thing > > Am I simply out of the net lingo loop, not cool, or am I just too old? :-/ > Oh, you're definitely not as kewl as the rest of us netizens. Fer shur, d00d. ;-} Netlingo.com has DTRT, and it also shows up on google. Same with ISTM. Your guesses are right about what they mean. (Don't feel bad. I had to look them up, too. Of course, I *am* old and out of the net lingo loop, despite being unbearably kewl. ;-) Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Thu Mar 13 21:50:19 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2E2oJ2Q010108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:50:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2E2oJ2U010107 for slug-track29; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:50:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2E2oJvh010103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:50:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2E2oJIF001742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:50:19 -0500 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2E2n7r4002425 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:49:08 -0500 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so4016852wfg.1 for ; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:49:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1WhcTU6vAd4l/YBRTpa898l3/QojTxhU6MR7LgSfw+A=; b=EcLd0i3Q2kEshi0tkWiE9L/ISVyB51GeAHpXweM+pXLBQdUFUq5oOTHqpteGvKkeB+0W/YAtqO+0yZQugwwrrj3XKIVoqnArcOjSPi8rf5pXlg7duVutKV8/nfX2Iu2O8nCIzZoSJ+mBcGx6sHa5Mw/UCuOc9vbOZW7aT3L1/W8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=byvDEhM8KRW3oAol6w7lr/tozAprZ4WQXaUWpL9uNyG+0VZbr75zELiJvMZ/YIKvuE+2HGiYVJiMzwo2GTRgELInHdOm+AHP2E5V5h/lzAJhauigF1G5jz+dsYG462VypBmqwab4FQXEyETPIZmO/GZ3ClaEbr0OgUHSueRuzD4= Received: by 10.143.16.9 with SMTP id t9mr4735824wfi.164.1205462947062; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.201.5 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:49:01 -0400 From: "Bill D" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders In-Reply-To: <20080313214547.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47D9889C.9070604@alienscience.com> <20080313214547.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: wf-out-1314.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.599, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net i'm 23 and i didn't even know what DTRT or ISTM means, but i didn't even go look it up, i just ignored those parts. can i blame it on having a grammar nazis on my old irc channel? On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 04:03:40PM -0400, Mario Lombardo wrote: > > > Eben King wrote: > >> What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support (base-64 > >> is not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see a way to do > >> it. trn has the same level of support but is easier to make it DTRT > >> by virtue of it being textual. Both suck, however. > >> > > I just now found out what ISTM and DTRT mean (I think): > > ISTM = It seems to me > > DTRT = Do the right thing > > > > Am I simply out of the net lingo loop, not cool, or am I just too old? :-/ > > > > Oh, you're definitely not as kewl as the rest of us netizens. Fer shur, > d00d. ;-} > > Netlingo.com has DTRT, and it also shows up on google. Same with ISTM. > Your guesses are right about what they mean. > > (Don't feel bad. I had to look them up, too. Of course, I *am* old and > out of the net lingo loop, despite being unbearably kewl. ;-) > > Paul > -- > Paul M. Foster > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 14 07:53:56 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ECru4S015466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:53:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2ECruHf015465 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:53:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ECrtxO015461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:53:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ECrsnS031778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:53:55 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-83.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ECqPwn001638 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:52:25 -0500 Received: from localhost (rrcs-67-78-3-246.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.3.246]) by postalmail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C6E88907 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:52:19 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] newsreaders Message-ID: <20080314125219.GB21631@mani.r-stream.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Uptime: 08:35:27 up 23:39, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.03, 0.01 Reply-By: Tue Mar 11 08:51:32 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a6.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.916, required 6, AWL -2.16, BAYES_05 -1.11, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Mario Lombardo on Thursday, March 13, 2008 at 04:03PM -0400: > Eben King wrote: >> What newsreader do you recommend that has yenc and uu support (base-64 >> is not so common ISTM)? I have Thunderbird but can't see a way to do >> it. trn has the same level of support but is easier to make it DTRT >> by virtue of it being textual. Both suck, however. >> > I just now found out what ISTM and DTRT mean (I think): > ISTM = It seems to me > DTRT = Do the right thing > > Am I simply out of the net lingo loop, not cool, or am I just too old? :-/ No, you are just not old enough. :) ISTM, DTRT, ISTR, etc date back to old-school usenet. ... let's see if I can send this to the list now, instead of to just mario. D'oh! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 14 16:19:12 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ELJCSs019492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:19:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2ELJCrF019491 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:19:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ELJBbb019482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:19:11 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ELJBY0007824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:19:11 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2ELA3B6008312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:10:04 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50869 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JaHAI-0004eg-6H; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:10:10 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3B60156A67; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:09:57 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Cc: slug-announce@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] (FWD) Open House | Tomorrow | 9am - 2pm Message-ID: <20080314210957.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.565, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.11, BAD_WORD_diet 0.10, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ----- Forwarded message from Dave Dockery ----- From: Dave Dockery Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:37:21 -0400 To: Dave Dockery Subject: Open House | Tomorrow | 9am - 2pm Message-ID: <010f01c8860a$d4ea02c0$7ebe0840$@com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 TBCS Open House Saturday, March 15th 9am 'til 2pm The Tampa Bay Computer Society would like to invite one and all to our Open House tomorrow. Not only will we provide hot dogs, burgers, and all sorts of diet-busting food, but we'll entertain you with videos (Fun Stuff from the Internet) and speakers. All the while, our crackerjack troubleshooting team will be repairing a dozen computers in our free clinic. We'll also do impromptu demos of our new Audio/Visual studio where we can digitize your vinyl records, cassettes, vhs tapes, 35mm slides, and negatives and burn them to CDs or DVDs. You may also enter our free drawing for a $100 cash prize. Come on out and join us tomorrow at: TBCS (727-443-4433) 1510 Barry Road Suite K Clearwater, FL 33756 You will find a map at: http://www.tampa-bay.org/maps.htm Note: please don't go the Largo Cultural Center Here's our schedule for the day: 9:00 Fun Stuff from the Internet 9:30 Phil Sullivan - Hand-On Windows 9:45 Chris Walters - Advanced Windows 10:00 Stan Ashbrook - Photoshop & P. Elements 10:15 Dan Galgano - XO Computer (OLPC.org) 10:30 Jan McNulty - Photo Story & Movie Maker 10:45 Roger Leer - Internet & Build a 'Puter 11:00 Stan Ashbrook digitizes 35mm slides (A/V Studio) 11:00 Fun Stuff from the Internet 11:30 Tom Lembke - Digital Video 11:45 Carol King - Intermediate Computers 12:00 Magen Hughes - 2600 Club (Security & Advanced) 12:15 Doc - Web 2.0 & Windows Vista 12:30 Jim Boynton - eBay & Digital Photography 12:45 Bill De Lucia - Novice Computing 1:00 Fun Stuff from the Internet 1:30 Ray Danen - Microsoft Office 1:45 June Hollister - Search Engine Optimization Jacinthe Dixon, Sylvia Gulkis, & Beverly Asselin will demo our Audio/Visual Studio throughout the day. Our computer lab will be open for people to access the web. Frank Bucca and his merry men will be fixing 12 computers in our repair clinic. It's too late to be included this time around, but free computer repair is available to our members. Meanwhile, Suzanne Gregoire and her retinue of hosts and hostesses will be feeding and watering you with all manner of food and drink (sorry, no alcohol - are you kidding me? most of our group isn't allowed salt, sugar, or caffeine ;-) Be sure to sign up for our $100 Prize Drawing! You don't have to be present to win, but you've got to register. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 14 19:52:35 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F0qZ5W021111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:52:35 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2F0qZEJ021110 for slug-track29; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:52:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F0qZg6021106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:52:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F0qZmo023024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:52:35 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F0pfjv014805 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:51:42 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so6860250wag.9 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CVdoJqiyTa+aW6ByYKPCtSmKMIvV7EQ4JBpbV//2hi0=; b=GBSG+PhNMS1gd5QQsyuIPxpEhYoPO4L1EnttISsgZf58of5gwYYupINwbEUhenT93MtHwIM+GUMfcBF+bAuiC1SNaQ14QfWI7Ojg02DqkDEakKBIZ8AkUQjRv8JYSYD4srikszixZWS5l8vREUlAvGlm3FT7XI0af1wztHgMWxo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WFgh/gX6X8J+pQ87vauVnvzd8bsJ83uNlxI7kh+/S6Fhbllq/FAMSCTAcltRvOyVnA5VwR/+l3hG19A2y4eKVuZS8aTUofaFSRc3mrmTt+Zoy3Ia2JQFKSnW+WPd4P5kJEqtOAgt9Ubt/BpHogKeoLXadGjVRYK5U5KO8ohLBeo= Received: by 10.114.155.1 with SMTP id c1mr13045578wae.105.1205542300132; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.78.4 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:51:40 -0800 From: "Paderick Lundy" To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) Open House | Tomorrow | 9am - 2pm In-Reply-To: <20080314210957.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3269_1290112.1205542300128" References: <20080314210957.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: wa-out-1112.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.376, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_3269_1290112.1205542300128 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul; > We'll also do impromptu demos of our new Audio/Visual studio where we can > digitize your vinyl records, cassettes, vhs tapes, 35mm slides, and > negatives and burn them to CDs or DVDs. > > Please tell me more about you Audio/Visual studio. Is this free (as in beer) software or is it propriety software. I'm interested in this sort of thing -- Joseph Patrick Ryan The secret of greatness is simple: do better work than any other man in your field - and keep on doing it. Wilfred A. Peterson ------=_Part_3269_1290112.1205542300128 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul;



We'll also do impromptu demos of our new Audio/Visual studio where we can
digitize your vinyl records, cassettes, vhs tapes, 35mm slides, and
negatives and burn them to CDs or DVDs.

Please tell me more about you Audio/Visual studio.   Is this free (as in beer) software or is it propriety software.  I'm interested in this sort of thing


--
Joseph Patrick Ryan

The secret of greatness is simple: do better work than any other man in your field - and keep on doing it.
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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 15 01:20:23 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6KNJZ023639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:20:23 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2F6KNmK023638 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:20:23 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6KMur023629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:20:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6KL1o017973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:20:22 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6Jgof009515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:19:42 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50223 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JaPkD-0000FX-FC; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:19:49 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BA7B656A67; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:19:37 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) Open House | Tomorrow | 9am - 2pm Message-ID: <20080315061937.GC20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net References: <20080314210957.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.695, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.14, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 04:51:40PM -0800, Paderick Lundy wrote: > Paul; > > We'll also do impromptu demos of our new Audio/Visual studio where we > can > digitize your vinyl records, cassettes, vhs tapes, 35mm slides, and > negatives and burn them to CDs or DVDs. > > Please tell me more about you Audio/Visual studio. Is this free (as in > beer) software or is it propriety software. I'm interested in this sort > of thing > This was a forward of a message sent to me. You know as much as I do about it. I suggest contacting TBCS for clarification. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 15 01:38:44 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6cid3023733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:38:44 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2F6ciog023732 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:38:44 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6ci3f023728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:38:44 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6ciR9018687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:38:44 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2F6cIlm005932 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:38:18 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so6991616wag.9 for ; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:38:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=NQIH9H1Q+kILGkOWUxn8nnRost5o4EmiykEE46z7H3E=; b=KZpGdTdeV3NU9saeWgGXgV9pNPjfN/WmC3ETKlpDamTE5xJtuI6Nfsuxb8og7ARcIjkQtkSqQYdCI41hQw6LTsfs6dvbYuxnjh750jGxGxJvw0TFqoO47K9dSishJOrp7DbE4K63Ht3+UtKsa4Rm2Jc+zXEPPGxiAmBxUD5MrMI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fyNgACcZVzGChKjXitdoCgvyT7zoQideFoPCZg2SStTsmdrRBzp8GJtM01AqX7DnRMjFRfO4P4JfOzaW3I4gaqm/8KjgHXTYthJH1L9kwgUMqhAqy+fG8dDruNibS6Kex+vH2BxIti/OnKZrmaN+cKFvp3brMfxhzqitJ0kifx0= Received: by 10.114.178.1 with SMTP id a1mr14132543waf.25.1205563097573; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.78.4 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:38:17 -0800 From: "Paderick Lundy" To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] (FWD) Open House | Tomorrow | 9am - 2pm In-Reply-To: <20080315061937.GC20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3983_526270.1205563097568" References: <20080314210957.GA20298@quillandmouse.com> <20080315061937.GC20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: wa-out-1112.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.561, required 6, AWL -4.81, BAD_WORD_interest 0.25, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_3983_526270.1205563097568 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul; Just for old times sake, how are things going in Tampa and Clearwater? I attended the Dunedin meetings for about three years and enjoyed your take on Linux and life in general. Two (2) years ago in May I just couldn't stand Florida any longer so I moved back home to Fairbanks, Alaska. I had lived her most of my adult life and know tons of people. It is much easier to hang out with old friends that have to make new ones. I really did enjoy those Saturday morning meetings to which I also brought my son. He graduated from the Center for Advanced Technology at Lakewood High School and now is a junior in Electrical/Computer Engineering. He plans to specialize in computer security. His interest in computers/security was sparked by his hanging out with the Linux/Unix guys. Thanks for providing a good platform. Sincerely, Joe Ryan On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 04:51:40PM -0800, Paderick Lundy wrote: > > > Paul; > > > > We'll also do impromptu demos of our new Audio/Visual studio where > we > > can > > digitize your vinyl records, cassettes, vhs tapes, 35mm slides, and > > negatives and burn them to CDs or DVDs. > > > > Please tell me more about you Audio/Visual studio. Is this free (as > in > > beer) software or is it propriety software. I'm interested in this > sort > > of thing > > > > This was a forward of a message sent to me. You know as much as I do > about it. I suggest contacting TBCS for clarification. > > Paul > -- > Paul M. Foster > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > -- Joseph Patrick Ryan The secret of greatness is simple: do better work than any other man in your field - and keep on doing it. Wilfred A. Peterson ------=_Part_3983_526270.1205563097568 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Paul;

Just for old times sake, how are things going in Tampa and Clearwater?  I attended the Dunedin meetings for about three years and enjoyed your take on Linux and life in general.  Two (2) years ago in May I just couldn't stand Florida any longer so I moved back home to Fairbanks, Alaska.  I had lived her most of my adult life and know tons of people.  It is much easier to hang out with old friends that have to make new ones.

I really did enjoy those Saturday morning meetings to which I also brought my son.  He graduated from the Center for Advanced Technology at Lakewood High School and now is a junior in Electrical/Computer Engineering.  He plans to specialize in computer security.  His interest in computers/security was sparked by his hanging out with the Linux/Unix guys.  Thanks for providing a good platform.

Sincerely,

Joe Ryan

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Paul M Foster <paulf@quillandmouse.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 04:51:40PM -0800, Paderick Lundy wrote:

>    Paul;
>
>      We'll also do impromptu demos of our new Audio/Visual studio where we
>      can
>      digitize your vinyl records, cassettes, vhs tapes, 35mm slides, and
>      negatives and burn them to CDs or DVDs.
>
>    Please tell me more about you Audio/Visual studio.   Is this free (as in
>    beer) software or is it propriety software.  I'm interested in this sort
>    of thing
>

This was a forward of a message sent to me. You know as much as I do
about it. I suggest contacting TBCS for clarification.

Paul
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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 15 11:49:04 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FGn45a028551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:49:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2FGn4CP028550 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:49:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FGn42B028546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:49:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-02.nks.net [209.34.225.162]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FGn4ME003747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:49:04 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-02.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FGmJEA013213 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:48:19 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXS0063V6O8XS8C@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:48:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to make vim DTRT In-reply-to: <20080313202123.GP20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080313202123.GP20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=2.509, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 04:41:49PM -0500, Eben King wrote: > >> Something -- I think Google Groups -- is replacing the second space after a >> sentence as well as the final space in a time (between H:MM and [ap]m) with >> 0xa0 = 0240 which is presumably a non-breakable space in some encoding. >> I'd >> like to replace these with everyday spaces. I've got a "tr" command that >> does it ("| tr '\240' ' '") but what I don't know is how to make vim pipe >> the whole document through that, and replace all text with what comes out. >> >> :%something|tr '\240' ' ' >> >> is as far as I've got. Anyone? > > BTW, Eben, your system clock is *waaay* off. Note the date above: 17 > March. I couldn't figure out why your thread was sorting at the bottom > of my mailreader. That was why. Yeah, I ran "fetchnews" manually and got a message from the newsserver to that effect. Should be ok now: eben@pc:~$ date Sat Mar 15 12:47:58 EDT 2008 -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Your pretended fear lest error might step in is like the man who would keep all wine out of the country lest men should be drunk. -- Oliver Cromwell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 15 12:12:18 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FHCIfx028735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:12:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2FHCIvP028734 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:12:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FHCIxC028730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:12:18 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FHCIYC005972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:12:18 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FHBfov026784 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:11:41 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXS00CZC7RGCJW3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:11:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to make vim DTRT In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080313202123.GP20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.955, required 6, AWL -0.95, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 15 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> BTW, Eben, your system clock is *waaay* off. Note the date above: 17 >> March. I couldn't figure out why your thread was sorting at the bottom >> of my mailreader. That was why. > > Yeah, I ran "fetchnews" manually and got a message from the newsserver to > that effect. Should be ok now: > > eben@pc:~$ date > Sat Mar 15 12:47:58 EDT 2008 What I meant to say (but had to rush away and wanted to get that sent while the time was reasonably current) was that the distro runs "ntpdate" at boot to set the system clock. But, at every boot until I manually intervene, /etc/resolv.conf is horked up (dnsmasq does that) so nothing using DNS works. I use dnsmasq so tor is a lot faster. Does anyone know how to configure it in the right way? Obviously what I'm doing bypasses it. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows and never never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 15 14:33:33 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FJXX1m029830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:33:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2FJXXjZ029829 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:33:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FJXXk7029825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:33:33 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FJXWpc014600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:33:32 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2FJWRiH011747 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:32:27 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXS00IGJEA2HJI8@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:32:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] how to make vim DTRT In-reply-to: <20080313191449.GA11319@mani.r-stream.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080313191449.GA11319@mani.r-stream.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.384, required 6, AWL -2.12, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_12 0.60, MANGLED_SEX 1.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake Eben King on Monday, March 17, 2008 at 04:41PM -0500: >> Something -- I think Google Groups -- is replacing the second space after >> a sentence as well as the final space in a time (between H:MM and [ap]m) >> with 0xa0 = 0240 which is presumably a non-breakable space in some >> encoding. I'd like to replace these with everyday spaces. I've got a >> "tr" command that does it ("| tr '\240' ' '") but what I don't know is >> how to make vim pipe the whole document through that, and replace all >> text with what comes out. >> >> :%something|tr '\240' ' ' > > Very close. '%' is the range for the entire file, and you just need the ex > command to pipe something to an external program. > > That command is '!', so you have: > > :%!tr '\240' ' ' Thanks, works great. > However, you could use vim's (ex's) builtin s///, like so: > > :%s/\240/ /g vim says: ,-- | E65: Illegal back reference | E476: Invalid command | Hit ENTER or type command to continue '-- Try again? > Also, if you want to pipe a subset of a file through tr (or vim's builtn s///), > you can enter visual mode (with "v"), select lines using the arrow keys, > and type ':!tr a-z A-Z'. The selected portion of the text will be piped through > 'tr'. Nifty, eh? Note to those playing along at home: leave the "'<,'>" it insert after the colon. Otherwise it'll just change the first line. Baby steps on the path to vi guru-hood. Thanks. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 VIRGO: All Virgos are extremely friendly and intelligent - except for you. Expect a big surprise today when you wind up with your head impaled upon a stick. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 15 23:12:37 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G4CauR001801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:12:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2G4Ca7E001800 for slug-track29; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:12:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G4CajL001796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:12:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G4CaxF020896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:12:36 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G4C17n010376 for ; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:12:02 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXT009JT2BUBSXC@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 15 Mar 2008 23:12:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:11:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] broken packages? X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:10:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2G6ATjg002864 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:10:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G6ASew002860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:10:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G6ASqR004832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:10:28 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G69fYA029478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:09:41 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50421 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jam45-0005EF-M9 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:09:49 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 955B456A67; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:09:38 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: SLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLUG] broken packages? Message-ID: <20080316060938.GE20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: SLUG Mailing List References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.107, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 4.45, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:11:54AM -0400, Eben King wrote: > So I tried to upgrade mplayer. apt wanted to do what seems to be its usual > thing now, which is to uninstall package A and then install package A++. > (There were 63 things to do.) This time, it hung partway through (couldn't > remove /usr/X11/bin which is used by opera). So some things (for example > xterm) got uninstalled and never reinstalled. What I think is the solution > is to go to runlevel 1 and use aptitude (or apt-get) to fix the problem. I > don't know the syntax for either one of those. Help? > To move to single user mode, telinit 1 Then you can run aptitude as usual. Apt-get really has only four main commands: apt-get update, which updates your repository package list, apt-get upgrade, which upgrades everything (takes you, for example, from stable to testing), apt-get install somepackage which installs somepackage, and apt-get remove somepackage which removes somepackage. There are other commands, but you don't need to run them unless instructed by apt-get to do so. In that case, follow apt-get's instructions on which variant to run (such as apt-get -f check). I've had to do "surgical" apt-gets before, where you just let apt-get do what it wants, and then clean up after it. Sometimes that involves uninstalling whole subsystems like X, and then doing fresh installs of them. Sometimes, you have to call up aptitude to find out what package or packages something is depending upon, or what package conflicts with it. You can search in aptitude with "/" and "n" for next match. Once you find a package in question, you can hit and see what its dependencies, recommendations, and the like are. When done with the view of package dependencies, you hit "q" to quit back up to the next level. In any case, sometimes you have to go one package at a time and do repair as you go along. That's why I don't recommend apt-get upgrade unless you can avoid it, because upgrade tends to cause problems like this. Paul -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 16 01:47:04 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G6l4Ow003175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:47:04 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2G6l42Q003174 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:47:04 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G6l4TI003170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:47:04 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G6l3r7007048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:47:03 -0500 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G6kU2u032295 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:46:31 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXT0049U8X4FSHF@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:34:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:45:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] broken packages? In-reply-to: <20080316060938.GE20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080316060938.GE20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms173001pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.214, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -4.21, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:11:54AM -0400, Eben King wrote: > >> So I tried to upgrade mplayer. apt wanted to do what seems to be its usual >> thing now, which is to uninstall package A and then install package A++. >> (There were 63 things to do.) This time, it hung partway through (couldn't >> remove /usr/X11/bin which is used by opera). So some things (for example >> xterm) got uninstalled and never reinstalled. What I think is the solution >> is to go to runlevel 1 and use aptitude (or apt-get) to fix the problem. I >> don't know the syntax for either one of those. Help? > > To move to single user mode, > > telinit 1 Right, knew that. > Then you can run aptitude as usual. That's what I don't know. I restored /usr from (yesterday's) backup. Didn't fix X -- I still can't run startx. Maybe it depends on something in / . > Apt-get really has only four main commands: > > apt-get update, which updates your repository package list, > > apt-get upgrade, which upgrades everything (takes you, for example, from > stable to testing), > > apt-get install somepackage which installs somepackage, and > > apt-get remove somepackage which removes somepackage. > > There are other commands, but you don't need to run them unless > instructed by apt-get to do so. In that case, follow apt-get's > instructions on which variant to run (such as apt-get -f check). > > I've had to do "surgical" apt-gets before, where you just let apt-get do > what it wants, and then clean up after it. Sometimes that involves > uninstalling whole subsystems like X, and then doing fresh installs of > them. Sometimes, you have to call up aptitude to find out what package or > packages something is depending upon, or what package conflicts with it. > You can search in aptitude with "/" and "n" for next match. Once you find > a package in question, you can hit r do and see what its > dependencies, recommendations, and the like are. When done with the view > of package dependencies, you hit "q" to quit back up to the next level. Does it just say "These are its dependencies", or does it optionally satisfy them? > In any case, sometimes you have to go one package at a time and do > repair as you go along. That's why I don't recommend apt-get upgrade > unless you can avoid it, because upgrade tends to cause problems like > this. Noted. In the future... -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 PISCES: Try to avoid any Virgos or Leos with the Ebola virus. You are the Lord of the Dance, no matter what those idiots at work say. -- Weird Al, _Your Horoscope for Today_ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 16 02:29:22 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G7TLQf003567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:29:21 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2G7TL7D003566 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:29:21 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G7TLZa003562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:29:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G7TLAc010149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:29:21 -0500 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2G7SeLf007583 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:28:40 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXT0045NAVAFSKF@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:16:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] broken packages? In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080316060938.GE20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms173001pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.806, required 6, AWL -6.95, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, TW_KM 0.08, TW_MK 0.08, TW_XM 0.08, nks_20060221_01 3.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:11:54AM -0400, Eben King wrote: >> >>> So I tried to upgrade mplayer. apt wanted to do what seems to be its >>> usual >>> thing now, which is to uninstall package A and then install package A++. >>> (There were 63 things to do.) This time, it hung partway through >>> (couldn't >>> remove /usr/X11/bin which is used by opera). So some things (for example >>> xterm) got uninstalled and never reinstalled. What I think is the >>> solution >>> is to go to runlevel 1 and use aptitude (or apt-get) to fix the problem. >>> I >>> don't know the syntax for either one of those. Help? >> >> To move to single user mode, >> >> telinit 1 > > Right, knew that. > >> Then you can run aptitude as usual. > > That's what I don't know. OK, I figured out some. '+' toggles "to install" mark, '-' toggles "to remove" mark. Installl might have deps, 'e'xamine them or '!'approve them. 'g' shows what's to be done, 'g' again does it. > I restored /usr from (yesterday's) backup. Didn't fix X -- I still can't run > startx. Maybe it depends on something in / . In aptitude, I told it to clear the cache. I'm pretty sure one of the packages there was corrupt. There are five packages with unsatisfied deps -- imake, libgl1-mesa, makedepend, x-window-system-core, xmkmf -- so it wants to delete them. After installation fails, I can scroll back and the first error is: Replacing files in old package xinit ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb (--unpack): tring to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/bin`, which is also in package opera Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.1ubuntu6.2_i386.deb E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: and it continues with a sordid tale. Any ideas? I can replace the whole disk with yesterday's backup. I have half a mind to do that, since I've already tarred up stuff in ~ that was modified in the last day. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 And we never failed to fail / It was the easiest thing to do -- CSN ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 16 08:31:46 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GDVkpL006894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:31:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2GDVkUW006893 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:31:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GDVkqC006889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:31:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GDVkVd022555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:31:46 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GDTXC7007048 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:29:33 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXT00I32S4PHEYB@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:29:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:29:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] broken packages? In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080316060938.GE20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.556, required 6, AWL -2.94, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, TW_DP 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > >> I restored /usr from (yesterday's) backup. Didn't fix X -- I still can't >> run startx. Maybe it depends on something in / . OK, I did the following: restore / and /usr from the backup started nvidia driver install (as I have to do every time I boot). It w ants glibc header files. start aptitude; it says I need to run a dpkg command run "dpkg --configure -a" run aptitude, install glibc-client-dev. It complains that the version of I'm installing (*2002) is not usable by Maildirs but is usable by uw-imapd. Since I use pine and have never heard of Maildirs, I told it to go ahead. nvidia driver install startx rejoice So probably when I try to update mplayer again, this'll happen again. I'll just do it from runlevel 1 and maybe it'll succeed. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 16 09:03:18 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GE3Iuv007166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:03:18 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2GE3ICI007165 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:03:18 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GE3EsE007161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:03:15 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GE3DEu025798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:03:14 -0500 Received: from smtp03.bis.na.blackberry.com (smtp03.bis.na.blackberry.com [216.9.248.50]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GE1Esf000423 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:01:15 -0500 Received: from bda318.bisx.prod.on.blackberry.bis.na.blackberry.com (bda318.bisx.prod.on.blackberry [172.20.232.78]) by srs.bis.na.blackberry.com (8.13.7 TEAMON/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m2GE1Dvs000513 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:01:13 GMT Received: from bda318.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bda318.bisx.prod.on.blackberry.bis.na.blackberry.com (8.13.4 TEAMON/8.13.4) with ESMTP id m2GE1COW008408 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:01:12 GMT X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 771216752 Message-ID: <771216752-1205676071-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1531670144-@bxe118.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal References: In-Reply-To: Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] broken packages? From: "=?utf-8?B?SmltIEZvcnRl?=" Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:01:02 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HELO: smtp03.bis.na.blackberry.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.561, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 1.67, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64 1.31, J_CHICKENPOX_24 0.60, MIME_BASE64_BLANKS 0.22, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME 0.22, MIME_BASE64_TEXT 1.89, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id m2GE3FsD007162 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I will often only update. 10 or so packages at a time. OR use fedora and use Livna Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Eben King Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:11:54 To:SLUG Mailing List Subject: [SLUG] broken packages? So I tried to upgrade mplayer. apt wanted to do what seems to be its usual thing now, which is to uninstall package A and then install package A++. (There were 63 things to do.) This time, it hung partway through (couldn't remove /usr/X11/bin which is used by opera). So some things (for example xterm) got uninstalled and never reinstalled. What I think is the solution is to go to runlevel 1 and use aptitude (or apt-get) to fix the problem. I don't know the syntax for either one of those. Help? Also, Synaptic tells me there's 37 broken packages. Are the odds that those are the ones waiting on whatever to deal with /usr/X11/bin? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 LEO: Now is not a good time to photocopy your butt and staple it to your boss' face, oh no. 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 16 09:35:57 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GEZub8007454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:35:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2GEZueM007453 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:35:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GEZujK007449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:35:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GEZunH028719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:35:56 -0500 Received: from mail.hallock.net (mail.hallock.net [207.54.169.132]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GEYbZf005967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:34:38 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by cgpav Received: from [72.23.122.219] (account macyh HELO [192.168.1.41]) by mail.hallock.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 974744 for slug@nks.net; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:35:18 -0500 Message-ID: <47DD301E.4040900@hallock.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:35:10 -0400 From: Macy1 Hallock User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] First use of Unix in 1453 A.D.? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: mail.hallock.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This presentation slide shows the historical evidence... http://l2u.iguana.be/fosdem/IMG_0789.JPG -- Macy Hallock - Hallock Consulting - Medina, OH + Lutz, FL Tel 330-241-5877 Cell 216-978-8668 Email macy1[at]hallock.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 16 11:15:15 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GGFEDC008344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:15:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2GGFE9Z008343 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:15:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GGFE7H008339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:15:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GGFER1004911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:15:14 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GGEgYC025781 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:14:42 -0500 Received: from merlin.joe-di.net ([96.243.157.153]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXT00CMIZRQ7AB2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:14:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:14:14 -0400 From: Joe Brandt Subject: Re: [SLUG] First use of Unix in 1453 A.D.? In-reply-to: <47DD301E.4040900@hallock.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803161214.14930.vzd1s11k@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <47DD301E.4040900@hallock.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.936, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS 2.15, WGL_vzd1s11k_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net or is it hysterical evidence? > This presentation slide shows the historical evidence... > http://l2u.iguana.be/fosdem/IMG_0789.JPG -- Joe Brandt Microsoft Free & Loving It!!! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 16 17:10:06 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GMA6sm011482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:10:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2GMA6DC011481 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:10:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GMA5pW011477 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:10:05 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GMA5np002830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:10:05 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2GM9YwR008613 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:09:34 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXU004SAG7OT2X5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:09:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] nifty aliases X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:37:39 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2H1bdLR013376 for slug-track29; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:37:39 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2H1bcQR013367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:37:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2H1bbNs019899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:37:37 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2H1atm4015803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:36:55 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50008 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Jb4Hf-0006aM-Ex; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:37:03 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8670A56A67; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:36:51 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20080317013651.8670A56A67@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.033, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.52, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 March 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) USF St Petersburg, Davis 130 140 7th Ave. South St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://www.stpt.usf.edu/directions.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 17 07:21:53 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2HCLrgl019291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:21:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2HCLrph019290 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:21:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2HCLruo019286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:21:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2HCLqd2022208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:21:53 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2HCHQQM015428 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:17:26 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 49DC8B4C834; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE44B4C633 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47DE4E8C.9060008@runithard.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:57:16 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] IRC References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.53, required 6, AWL -2.86, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, TW_RX 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net scrollz is pretty sweet for a console based irc client. So is xchat and pidgin for X. Pidgin does AOL / ICQ / GTALK / all sorts of things along with irc. You just hit join chat, pick IRC and away you go. Eben King wrote: > What do you recommend for an IRC client? I've used BitchX, but I'd > like something more user-friendly, as I'm an IRC novice. Being a text > app is OK, as long as it runs in xterm or rxvt (IIRC, BitchX didn't). > Something that can run a script or play a sound when someone says my > name is a big plus. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 17 19:33:53 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2I0XrW3026011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:33:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2I0XrrK026010 for slug-track29; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:33:53 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2I0XrcN026006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:33:53 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2I0XrPQ006667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:33:53 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2I0XKMJ013974 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:33:20 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JXW00GLGHOKZR1N@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:36:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:15:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] broken packages? In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080316060938.GE20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.711, required 6, AWL -1.35, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, TW_DP 0.08, TW_GD 0.08) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: >> >>> I restored /usr from (yesterday's) backup. Didn't fix X -- I still can't >>> run startx. Maybe it depends on something in / . > > OK, I did the following: > > restore / and /usr from the backup > started nvidia driver install (as I have to do every time I boot). It w ants > glibc header files. > start aptitude; it says I need to run a dpkg command > run "dpkg --configure -a" > run aptitude, install glibc-client-dev. It complains that the version of > I'm installing (*2002) is not usable by Maildirs but is usable > by uw-imapd. Since I use pine and have never heard of Maildirs, I told it > to go ahead. > nvidia driver install > startx > rejoice > > So probably when I try to update mplayer again, this'll happen again. I'll > just do it from runlevel 1 and maybe it'll succeed. Nope, didn't. Each time I try to upgrade something related to X (from runlevel 1), it wants to go through a long uninstall-reinstall procedure on dozens of packages, which'll probably fail with some file or dir being also used by another package. At least I found http://shreevatsa.wordpress.com/2006/04/16/dpkg-error-trying-to-overwrite-x-which-is-also-in-package-y/ which says the fix is to do the command "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite AAA", where AAA is the erroring package. And after that whole mess, it'll get hung up on something, so I'll restore / (which does not include /home) and /usr from backup. BTW, something modified /etc/fstab to replace human-readable text like "/dev/hda2" with ugly things like "UUID=0d752d5b-c9e0-4e2c-a105-acde6c0853c8" which played merry hell with my system; since I backup by copying hda -> hdb, the corresponding partition on each drive has the same UUID. Eventually I'll get tired of having no gdm (gone, apt mandates that rigamarole to install it) or of Firefox being version 1.5 and I'll try again. Even after everything, /etc/issue still proclaims this system to be 'Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger"'. :-) -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 21 01:11:51 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6Bprt002724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:11:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2L6BoGs002723 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:11:50 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6Bo8x002719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:11:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6BovH002504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:11:50 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6Audr028075 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:10:57 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so1432084wag.9 for ; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:10:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=t6Sq15x9CiEeUa5NJIzpVPtl0YNU21w1wObdBXS8BvQ=; b=pwg7M9lOgvU5Psm/516SCtbpdwhwGMvod65YfLZ80LhLJmzRsHYnc47pnn5jVp0gGT7NEwtIN3XbPl6Ppx/QGm5Bx2TCp7ix0vB7aaJSbIRBgodJbdMJH8d4RjfTVbFEpaQvrJaUnZY3YqmLmcOoQWF5wZnTcJr+MbB2P76+Kro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dOzUuvlM7rubBFEgcvqRTyg7fEbXImpY7+loyYuU4gFfD3EMGoomoGS1tuWHeIov9myJcSYeJwisEpiZZx9Fy8P8MMAAup6Z22o1o/FP9Q543pkSRoZ6gjAp42wrDYQSJzqZH67A1R85v9WZ1JC3J0cvdKBVrYo3cosUb+q22rY= Received: by 10.114.111.1 with SMTP id j1mr5127687wac.141.1206079856151; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.78.4 with HTTP; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:10:50 -0800 From: "Paderick Lundy" To: slug@nks.net Subject: [SLUG] ubuntu ERROR 15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14875_4454874.1206079851061" X-HELO: wa-out-1112.google.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.353, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_10_20 1.35, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_14875_4454874.1206079851061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a box with an AMD 64 processor, 4 gb or RAM, two SATA hd's one a 74 GB WD and the other is a 220 GB Seagate, plenty of fans and a good 500 watt PS. I loaded Ubuntu server Ubuntu 7.10 and upon the mandatory reboot after installation I received the following message. "GRUB loading, please wait..." followed by ERROR 15. I then downloaded and installed the desktop version and got the same results. If there is a problem I suspect it might have something to do with the SATA HD's. Would someone be so kind as to direct me to the list that tells me what these error numbers mean? I haven't loaded Linux since Suse 5.3 and I thought I'd get back in the swing of it. Thanks, -- Joseph Patrick Ryan The secret of greatness is simple: do better work than any other man in your field - and keep on doing it. Wilfred A. Peterson ------=_Part_14875_4454874.1206079851061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a box with an AMD 64 processor, 4 gb or RAM, two SATA hd's one a 74 GB WD and the other is a 220 GB Seagate, plenty of fans and a good 500 watt PS.

I loaded Ubuntu server Ubuntu 7.10 and upon the mandatory reboot after installation I received the following message.  "GRUB loading, please wait..."  followed by ERROR 15.

I then downloaded and installed the desktop version and got the same results.  If there is a problem I suspect it might have something to do with the SATA HD's.

Would someone be so kind as to direct me to the list that tells me what these error numbers mean?  I haven't loaded Linux since Suse 5.3 and I thought I'd get back in the swing of it.

Thanks,

--
Joseph Patrick Ryan

The secret of greatness is simple: do better work than any other man in your field - and keep on doing it.
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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 21 01:45:57 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6jvHc003059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:45:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2L6jv4A003058 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:45:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6ju2W003054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:45:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6juNd005152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:45:56 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L6jXJM017505 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:45:33 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JY200CGPIWS0HZ2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 01:48:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:45:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] ubuntu ERROR 15 In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.584, required 6, AWL -4.49, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Paderick Lundy wrote: > I loaded Ubuntu server Ubuntu 7.10 and upon the mandatory reboot after > installation I received the following message. "GRUB loading, please > wait..." followed by ERROR 15. > > I then downloaded and installed the desktop version and got the same > results. If there is a problem I suspect it might have something to do with > the SATA HD's. > > Would someone be so kind as to direct me to the list that tells me what > these error numbers mean? http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html It looks like 15 means ,-- | "Error while parsing number" | This error is returned if GRUB was expecting to read a numbur and | encountered bad data. '-- which isn't very helpful. Googling for |grub "error 15"| got me about 30K hits, but as I don't speak grub they weren't very helpful. Sorry. > I haven't loaded Linux since Suse 5.3 and I thought I'd get back in the > swing of it. It misses you too. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 An ASCII character walks into a bar and orders a double. "Having a bad day?" asks the barman. "Yeah, I have a parity error," replies the ASCII chrcter. The barman says, "Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off." - Skud ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 21 05:13:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2LADEvR005042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:13:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2LADElA005041 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:13:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2LADD8V005037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:13:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2LADCMM031850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:13:13 -0500 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2L9u5eF000620 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:56:06 -0500 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d18so297098and.117 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:56:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; bh=WUOCOZz09x1bw9ZYT5G1t4HoxfVnJRfvXziTpcy99Hw=; b=Fy5QJCZWnHBk1/Efk2DLd9cs9dDCAe36uVHFCTVprgr5T170bfLLmfygXKciYZiAcO04egM/A7eavwmZTKVlioLcLQiMDVYyZzaIDJav8PgMCimzKyo4rRMBjODx9WEid8WAjDMC7dX9FlCcUwyPLZXvPdIKwXJsoLjGeZXICbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:sender; b=Kv7ZRwFOHEmB0/x/G3Y2ax7D1swHttHrc3SbSRpXkkvO+B6ebfbhMNugRg3ydq1Bu5+lccSR1BlhBwPH4L5WQV3pHvtHA6+uq9nkoNcQsP4e0wO9wOLjZs04gjdEMKuwxA7u0NV4/5KKMV9l+irVgfjB2spL2tXfryIy05fJxQk= Received: by 10.100.144.11 with SMTP id r11mr8414790and.75.1206093364497; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.68? ( [71.99.221.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q26sm5563583ele.0.2008.03.21.02.56.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <47E3861A.3000103@alienscience.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 05:55:38 -0400 From: Mario Lombardo User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Macintosh/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ubuntu ERROR 15 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: an-out-0708.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.349, required 6, BAYES_00 -2.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Paderick Lundy wrote: > >> I loaded Ubuntu server Ubuntu 7.10 and upon the mandatory reboot after >> installation I received the following message. "GRUB loading, please >> wait..." followed by ERROR 15. >> >> I then downloaded and installed the desktop version and got the same >> results. If there is a problem I suspect it might have something to >> do with >> the SATA HD's. >> >> Would someone be so kind as to direct me to the list that tells me what >> these error numbers mean? > > http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html > > It looks like 15 means > > ,-- > | "Error while parsing number" > | This error is returned if GRUB was expecting to read a numbur and | > encountered bad data. > '-- > > which isn't very helpful. Googling for |grub "error 15"| got me about > 30K hits, but as I don't speak grub they weren't very helpful. Sorry. > >> I haven't loaded Linux since Suse 5.3 and I thought I'd get back in >> the swing of it. > > It misses you too. > Maybe this can give you more resolution. It's the official GRUB site. Hmm didn't know GNU was moving to GRUB2. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Stage2-errors.html#Stage2-errors "15 : File not found This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK." I'd say you need to invoke GRUB properly. The manual should tell you more, but off the top of my head, it's something like grub-install or grubby. I don't remember. Either way, you may need to do more than just run it. Although that usually does the trick, it may need a little more help with your configuration. /mario ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 21 07:11:23 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2LCBMX2006056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:11:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2LCBMho006055 for slug-track29; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:11:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2LCBMY2006051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:11:22 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2LCBKpZ013294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:11:20 -0500 Received: from smtp.mathey.org (smtp.mathey.org [75.127.87.202]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2LC9FsB029185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:09:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (smtp.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5294F84088 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:09:15 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from smtp.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v74nO5RyB2wn for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:08:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.1.1.25] (pool-71-180-228-130.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.180.228.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839278403D for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:08:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47E3A557.4000707@mathey.org> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:08:55 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] ubuntu ERROR 15 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: smtp.mathey.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.965, required 6, AWL -5.28, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Paderick Lundy wrote: > I have a box with an AMD 64 processor, 4 gb or RAM, two SATA hd's one a > 74 GB WD and the other is a 220 GB Seagate, plenty of fans and a good > 500 watt PS. > > I loaded Ubuntu server Ubuntu 7.10 and upon the mandatory reboot after > installation I received the following message. "GRUB loading, please > wait..." followed by ERROR 15. > > I then downloaded and installed the desktop version and got the same > results. If there is a problem I suspect it might have something to do > with the SATA HD's. > > Would someone be so kind as to direct me to the list that tells me what > these error numbers mean? I haven't loaded Linux since Suse 5.3 and I > thought I'd get back in the swing of it. > > Thanks, > > -- > Joseph Patrick Ryan > > The secret of greatness is simple: do better work than any other man in > your field - and keep on doing it. > Wilfred A. Peterson Try playing around in the BIOS with the SATA section. I have had trouble in the past enabling AHCI. Sometimes there are compatibility settings as well. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 22 19:15:47 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N0FkgB024701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:15:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2N0FkiA024700 for slug-track29; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:15:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N0FkTB024696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:15:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N0FkUC016671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:15:46 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N0FCK0031184 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:15:13 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JY500J7LQ5X5OZ9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:14:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] Gaim X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:28:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2N3SnJF026365 for slug-track29; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:28:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N3Sn7e026361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:28:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N3Slsh000374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:28:48 -0500 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N3ReZ1015780 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:27:41 -0500 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m34so3101994wag.9 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:27:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=c53kLahDfBO84MKUp3v1X7k6q/iy+ATOFcHCFzhDA9M=; b=ARzFF+R0Zsonbh5xCz1+l2JJ+DW29qmw2POrLojUF017PFYT0goRHduTPwi+1JVfWXLVP+3Fp7x8j7B1uaCa1zgwlfCGb9H5rQvdRx7IoDHhaL33xR+hlsRIZ43ZH8dOQi1xSxULX2ACugkHGFH749SqB85IZFEhdnVl0KYsCwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kbF3nHD2QW13wssTBGadaR0PFN2eMEBeAQrcUF2B1MuQfcHNKr8eqg070WK7CmRJWlETyUFGtrhjodXPmlHG6vgd3Zetmuc2ttFlU6MesutlbT32S5Ql19OT4X8CwWRwF/N0p94Hz+y9fxS+FYTTSe1Pr1dyCHJlw+nNtgSzGKg= Received: by 10.114.93.17 with SMTP id q17mr9048006wab.70.1206242861046; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.17.5 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <912d1a2d0803222027x374c4467jf9e65a2c649e3a60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:27:41 -0400 From: "Jason Copenhaver" To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gaim In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5864_24111102.1206242861039" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: d648af975df15f89 X-HELO: wa-out-1112.google.com X-Mismatched-From: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.626, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HTML_30_40 0.37, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_FROM 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ------=_Part_5864_24111102.1206242861039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure how you downgrade.. But you have tried upgrading to the latest Pidgin release? Gaim changed it's name to Pidgin. 2.0b3.1 is old and likely to have issues. On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Eben King wrote: > I upgraded to gaim 2.0b3.1, and it doesn't raise the chat window when the > conversant says something. Has anyone else found this? Is there a > workaround, or failing that, how do I downgrade? > > -- > -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 > CAPRICORN: The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but > you know they're lying. If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows > and never never never never never leave my house again. -- Weird Al > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages > posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the > official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. > > ------=_Part_5864_24111102.1206242861039 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm not sure how you downgrade.. But you have tried upgrading to the latest Pidgin release?  Gaim changed it's name to Pidgin.  2.0b3.1 is old and likely to have issues.

On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
I upgraded to gaim 2.0b3.1, and it doesn't raise the chat window when the
conversant says something.  Has anyone else found this?  Is there a
workaround, or failing that, how do I downgrade?

--
-eben      QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP      http://royalty.mine.nu:81
CAPRICORN:  The stars say you're an exciting and wonderful person... but
you know they're lying.  If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows
and never never never never never leave my house again.  -- Weird Al
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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 23 00:17:06 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N5H6YK027338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:17:06 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2N5H6u1027337 for slug-track29; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:17:06 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N5H6Yw027333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:17:06 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N5H5Ua010481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:17:05 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2N5GGUk018185 for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:16:17 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JY6005WC3YGQXR0@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:15:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:15:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Gaim In-reply-to: <912d1a2d0803222027x374c4467jf9e65a2c649e3a60@mail.gmail.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <912d1a2d0803222027x374c4467jf9e65a2c649e3a60@mail.gmail.com> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.802, required 6, AWL -2.71, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 22 Mar 2008, Jason Copenhaver wrote: > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Eben King wrote: > >> I upgraded to gaim 2.0b3.1, and it doesn't raise the chat window when the >> conversant says something. Has anyone else found this? Is there a >> workaround, or failing that, how do I downgrade? > I'm not sure how you downgrade.. If I get the source and compile it, is there a way to turn that into a binary .deb? > But you have tried upgrading to the latest Pidgin release? Gaim changed > it's name to Pidgin. Yeah, Synaptic doesn't show it (even after rescanning the repositories). Maybe in a later version of the distro? ... Ah, cool: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-437239.html but dunno if it's going to be compatible. Feisty is, after all, 4 versions later than what I installed. > 2.0b3.1 is old and likely to have issues. 1.5(? 1.8?) worked fine in that regard. I had hoped the later one would have something silly like webcam support (nope). -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 TAURUS: You will never find true happiness - what you gonna do, cry about it? 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 24 00:12:33 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2O5CXCr007148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:12:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2O5CXTV007147 for slug-track29; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:12:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2O5CW6M007138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:12:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2O5CWqh027780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:12:32 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2O5BPpX013992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:11:25 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50807 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JdeyB-0001P1-Cs; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:11:39 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C0D6D56A67; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:11:20 -0400 (EDT) To: slug@nks.net, slug-announce@nks.net, cola@stump.algebra.com Subject: [SLUG] Suncoast LUG Meetings Message-Id: <20080324051120.C0D6D56A67@sherman.mars.lan> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:11:20 -0400 (EDT) From: paulf@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.215, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.34, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net ************************************* * Suncoast Linux Users Group (SLUG) * * Meeting Schedule * ************************************* ST PETERSBURG ******************************************** 31 March 19:00-21:00 St Petersburg (usually last Monday of each month) USF St Petersburg, Davis 130 140 7th Ave. South St Petersburg, FL 33701 See http://www.stpt.usf.edu/directions.htm for directions. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 10:29:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SFTEFK031154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:29:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2SFTEUs031153 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:29:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SFTDpe031149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:29:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-03.nks.net [209.34.225.163]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SFTCdS010284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:29:12 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (dimensionworks.com [24.73.82.194] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-03.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SEawg1005551 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:36:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4E176C2F for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution From: Larry Brown To: SLUG Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:36:39 -0400 Message-Id: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-2.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-HELO: ns1.dimensionnetworks.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.807, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 4.94, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_larry_Pdo_brown_Pat_dimensionnetworks_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Does anyone know of a good way to filter by Spamassassin score in Evolution? For some reason my MailScanner implimentation is marking messages as spam even through their score is less than 6 which is what the config is set to and what the mail header shows to be the limit. I'd rather simply change where the decision is made as to whether it is spam to my client where I can dump if score > 4 etc. The score option in Evolution was determined to be an internal score that Evolution keeps within its filters, not the score set by spamassassin. Anyway, anyone help would be appreciated. TIA, Larry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 12:25:57 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SHPvV4032171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:25:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2SHPvFO032170 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:25:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SHPvMx032166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:25:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SHPur9024123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:25:56 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SHFg6Z032256 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:15:42 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 1B07FB4C847; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE45B4C843 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47ED27A7.5020406@runithard.com> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:15:19 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> In-Reply-To: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.221, required 6, AWL -2.47, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net I use dovecot + sieve filtering to put Spam from spamassasin in my IMAP junk folder. Client independent. require "fileinto"; if exists "X-Spam-Flag" { fileinto "Junk"; } Cheers, Matthew Rogers LVL 76 Paladin Larry Brown wrote: > Does anyone know of a good way to filter by Spamassassin score in > Evolution? For some reason my MailScanner implimentation is marking > messages as spam even through their score is less than 6 which is what > the config is set to and what the mail header shows to be the limit. > I'd rather simply change where the decision is made as to whether it is > spam to my client where I can dump if score > 4 etc. The score option > in Evolution was determined to be an internal score that Evolution keeps > within its filters, not the score set by spamassassin. > > Anyway, anyone help would be appreciated. > > TIA, > > Larry > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked > Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 13:40:08 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SIe8Pi000317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:40:08 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2SIe8Wq000316 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:40:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SIe8N3000312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:40:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SIe2oq002046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:40:03 -0500 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SIMeOl025279 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:22:40 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYG00FNVDG7U000@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:17:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution In-reply-to: <47ED27A7.5020406@runithard.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47ED27A7.5020406@runithard.com> X-HELO: vms173005pub.verizon.net X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.447, required 6, AWL -3.61, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Larry Brown wrote: >> Does anyone know of a good way to filter by Spamassassin score in >> Evolution? For some reason my MailScanner implimentation is marking >> messages as spam even through their score is less than 6 which is what >> the config is set to and what the mail header shows to be the limit. >> I'd rather simply change where the decision is made as to whether it is >> spam to my client where I can dump if score > 4 etc. The score option >> in Evolution was determined to be an internal score that Evolution keeps >> within its filters, not the score set by spamassassin. >> >> Anyway, anyone help would be appreciated. > I use dovecot + sieve filtering to put Spam from spamassasin in my IMAP junk > folder. Client independent. > > require "fileinto"; > if exists "X-Spam-Flag" { > fileinto "Junk"; > } On my system, it's (by default) filtered by procmail, using this code in ~/.procmailrc : # Mails with a score of 5 or higher are almost certainly spam # Let's put them in a different mbox. (This one is optional.) :0: * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\* almost-certainly-spam # All mail tagged as spam (eg. with a score higher than the set threshold) # is moved to "probably-spam". :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes probably-spam But I commented them out because I prefer to use pine's filters, as I understand them better. That and I didn't want to have to do surgery to change it each time I revised the cut-off. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "God does not play dice" -- Einstein "Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they can't be seen." -- Stephen Hawking ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 16:52:26 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLqQPq001981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:26 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2SLqQsx001980 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:26 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLqPfx001976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:25 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-14.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-14.nks.net [209.34.225.214]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLqP7X025420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:25 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-14.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLaWXI025474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:36:32 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50933 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JfMFo-0006ps-Ha for slug@nks.net; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:36:52 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D34856A67; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:36:29 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution Message-ID: <20080328213629.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.912, required 6, AWL 1.14, BAYES_99 3.50, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:36:39AM -0400, Larry Brown wrote: > Does anyone know of a good way to filter by Spamassassin score in > Evolution? For some reason my MailScanner implimentation is marking > messages as spam even through their score is less than 6 which is what > the config is set to and what the mail header shows to be the limit. > I'd rather simply change where the decision is made as to whether it is > spam to my client where I can dump if score > 4 etc. The score option > in Evolution was determined to be an internal score that Evolution keeps > within its filters, not the score set by spamassassin. > > Anyway, anyone help would be appreciated. > > TIA, > > Larry > I don't know much about Evolution, but if it's like most GUI email clients, it doesn't play well with things like procmail, since it wants full control of email folders and such. (Thunderbird has issues along this line, which is one reason I went back to Mutt.) Check the headers on email which has been through spamassassin and been judged as spam. You should see some headers which are clearly from spamassassin, and they will show a score, either as a number or a number of stars, etc. In Evolution, you *should* be able to filter on the content of a header line. So, if the header is "X-Spam-Score", then you should be able to tell Evolution that when it sees this header, with a value of ****, then dump it in a spam folder, delete it, etc. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 16:52:55 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLqtOR001995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:55 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2SLqtPe001994 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:55 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLqs8V001990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:55 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLqskE025463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:52:54 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (dimensionworks.com [24.73.82.194] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SLk043011281 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:46:00 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2312A176C2F for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution From: Larry Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> <47ED27A7.5020406@runithard.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:45:53 -0400 Message-Id: <1206740753.12309.61.camel@administrator> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-2.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-HELO: ns1.dimensionnetworks.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.749, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_larry_Pdo_brown_Pat_dimensionnetworks_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 14:22 -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Anyway, anyone help would be appreciated. > > > I use dovecot + sieve filtering to put Spam from spamassasin in my IMAP junk > > folder. Client independent. > > > > require "fileinto"; > > if exists "X-Spam-Flag" { > > fileinto "Junk"; > > } > > On my system, it's (by default) filtered by procmail, using this code in > ~/.procmailrc : > > # Mails with a score of 5 or higher are almost certainly spam > # Let's put them in a different mbox. (This one is optional.) > :0: > * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\* > almost-certainly-spam > > # All mail tagged as spam (eg. with a score higher than the set threshold) > # is moved to "probably-spam". > :0: > * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes > probably-spam > > But I commented them out because I prefer to use pine's filters, as I > understand them better. That and I didn't want to have to do surgery to > change it each time I revised the cut-off. > Thanks guys, I'll ponder this a bit... Larry -- Larry Brown ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 18:39:54 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SNdsnt002920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:39:54 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2SNds4h002919 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:39:54 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SNdrZR002915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:39:54 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SNddTu005218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:39:53 -0500 Received: from alex.gatortech.com (ns1.gatortech.com [65.87.215.3]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2SNRdQw009644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:27:39 -0500 Received: from [74.4.53.36] (helo=cthulhu) by alex.gatortech.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.66) (envelope-from ) id 1JfNyx-0003Sp-81 for slug@nks.net; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:27:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution From: Logan Tygart To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Ydl83GjfV08IZiOa+rXi" Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:27:32 -0400 Message-Id: <1206746852.1804.18.camel@cthulhu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alex.gatortech.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - allyourbase-arebelongto.us X-HELO: alex.gatortech.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.417, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.33, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_thelogan_Pat_allyourbase_Pda_arebelongto_Pdo_ -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net --=-Ydl83GjfV08IZiOa+rXi Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 10:36 -0400, Larry Brown wrote: > Does anyone know of a good way to filter by Spamassassin score in > Evolution? I have it working. I set up my mail as if I were using a CLI MUA (my laptop is 100% CLI.) On this workstation, I use fetchmail, spamassassin and procmail to send the processed mail to /home/logan/.mail/Inbox. Then I tell Evolution to look for my mail in ~/.mail/Inbox. Evolution then stores the mail in the labyrinth that is ~/.evolution. My .procmailrc for Evolution looks like this: LOGFILE=3D$HOME/.mail/pm.log MAILDIR=3D$HOME/.mail DEFAULT=3D$MAILDIR/Inbox I never could get it to work using Evolution to fetch my mail. I'm a Debian Stable user, so I am probably about 5 years behind you all, anyway. Logan --=20 More and more of our imports come from overseas. -- George W. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 21:19:30 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T2JUIh004317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:19:30 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2T2JUco004316 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:19:30 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T2JUAv004312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:19:30 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T2JUPa024036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:19:30 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (dimensionworks.com [24.73.82.194] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T2IWLk027978 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:18:32 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F58176C2F for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution From: Larry Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20080328213629.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> <20080328213629.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:18:23 -0400 Message-Id: <1206757104.12309.116.camel@administrator> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-2.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-HELO: ns1.dimensionnetworks.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.807, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 4.94, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_larry_Pdo_brown_Pat_dimensionnetworks_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 17:36 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > I don't know much about Evolution, but if it's like most GUI email > clients, it doesn't play well with things like procmail, since it wants > full control of email folders and such. (Thunderbird has issues along > this line, which is one reason I went back to Mutt.) > > Check the headers on email which has been through spamassassin and been > judged as spam. You should see some headers which are clearly from > spamassassin, and they will show a score, either as a number or a number > of stars, etc. In Evolution, you *should* be able to filter on the > content of a header line. So, if the header is "X-Spam-Score", then you > should be able to tell Evolution that when it sees this header, with a > value of ****, then dump it in a spam folder, delete it, etc. > > Paul > This actually gave me the best solution for me, I think. Since I want to keep using Evolution I thought the ***** (or ssss in the MailScanner recommendation) was of no use. However, I can look for the header with one * and tell it to stop processing, look for ** and stop processing, look for *** and stop processing and the next rule would be to dump to the junk folder. That would allow me to filter scores of 4 or higher and I can add or remove filters to increase or decrease sensitivity. I just have to make sure: X-Spam-Score: ********* doesn't match the rule looking for X-Spam-Score: * :) Thanks Paul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 23:22:58 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4MvtD005360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:22:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2T4MvIM005359 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:22:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4Mvrx005355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:22:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4MvuI003533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:22:57 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4LiVm016833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:21:44 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50692 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JfSZw-0001Pr-QB for slug@nks.net; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:22:04 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7EFDF56A67; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:21:41 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution Message-ID: <20080329042141.GS20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> <20080328213629.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> <1206757104.12309.116.camel@administrator> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1206757104.12309.116.camel@administrator> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.689, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.14, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:18:23PM -0400, Larry Brown wrote: > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 17:36 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > I don't know much about Evolution, but if it's like most GUI email > > clients, it doesn't play well with things like procmail, since it wants > > full control of email folders and such. (Thunderbird has issues along > > this line, which is one reason I went back to Mutt.) > > > > Check the headers on email which has been through spamassassin and been > > judged as spam. You should see some headers which are clearly from > > spamassassin, and they will show a score, either as a number or a number > > of stars, etc. In Evolution, you *should* be able to filter on the > > content of a header line. So, if the header is "X-Spam-Score", then you > > should be able to tell Evolution that when it sees this header, with a > > value of ****, then dump it in a spam folder, delete it, etc. > > > > Paul > > > > This actually gave me the best solution for me, I think. Since I want > to keep using Evolution I thought the ***** (or ssss in the MailScanner > recommendation) was of no use. However, I can look for the header with > one * and tell it to stop processing, look for ** and stop processing, > look for *** and stop processing and the next rule would be to dump to > the junk folder. That would allow me to filter scores of 4 or higher > and I can add or remove filters to increase or decrease sensitivity. > > I just have to make sure: > > X-Spam-Score: ********* doesn't match the rule looking for > X-Spam-Score: * > I'm assuming that Evolution has the ability to filter headers using things like "equals", "contains", etc. If so, you can set a filter of "X-Spam-Score" contains "****" and that will catch anything 4 stars or higher (think about it). Anything less than 4 stars wouldn't match. That's the way I used to filter it in Thunderbird. In Thunderbird, if a given filter "recipe" didn't match, it would simply fall through to the next and next until one matched. I assume Evolution probably works the same way. Paul -- Paul M. 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From owner-slug-track29 Fri Mar 28 23:28:49 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4SnuA005402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:28:49 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2T4SnRR005401 for slug-track29; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:28:49 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4Sme0005397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:28:49 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4Smp9003884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:28:48 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T4RYFT016220 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:27:34 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 70881B4C847; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F55B4C843 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47EDC4FC.4000300@runithard.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:26:36 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> <20080328213629.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> <1206757104.12309.116.camel@administrator> <20080329042141.GS20298@quillandmouse.com> In-Reply-To: <20080329042141.GS20298@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.92, required 6, AWL -4.47, BAYES_50 0.00, BP_TheProfessionalWay 0.30, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Server side FTW. Client independent, it's way more professional to flood a junk folder with 100 messages a day versus the inbox with SPAM ALERT *** headers. Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:18:23PM -0400, Larry Brown wrote: > > >> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 17:36 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: >> >> >>> I don't know much about Evolution, but if it's like most GUI email >>> clients, it doesn't play well with things like procmail, since it wants >>> full control of email folders and such. (Thunderbird has issues along >>> this line, which is one reason I went back to Mutt.) >>> >>> Check the headers on email which has been through spamassassin and been >>> judged as spam. You should see some headers which are clearly from >>> spamassassin, and they will show a score, either as a number or a number >>> of stars, etc. In Evolution, you *should* be able to filter on the >>> content of a header line. So, if the header is "X-Spam-Score", then you >>> should be able to tell Evolution that when it sees this header, with a >>> value of ****, then dump it in a spam folder, delete it, etc. >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >> This actually gave me the best solution for me, I think. Since I want >> to keep using Evolution I thought the ***** (or ssss in the MailScanner >> recommendation) was of no use. However, I can look for the header with >> one * and tell it to stop processing, look for ** and stop processing, >> look for *** and stop processing and the next rule would be to dump to >> the junk folder. That would allow me to filter scores of 4 or higher >> and I can add or remove filters to increase or decrease sensitivity. >> >> I just have to make sure: >> >> X-Spam-Score: ********* doesn't match the rule looking for >> X-Spam-Score: * >> >> > > I'm assuming that Evolution has the ability to filter headers using > things like "equals", "contains", etc. If so, you can set a filter of > "X-Spam-Score" contains "****" and that will catch anything 4 stars or > higher (think about it). Anything less than 4 stars wouldn't match. > That's the way I used to filter it in Thunderbird. In Thunderbird, if a > given filter "recipe" didn't match, it would simply fall through to the > next and next until one matched. I assume Evolution probably works the > same way. > > Paul > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 29 01:22:19 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T6MJHA006410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:22:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2T6MJ1R006409 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:22:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T6MIrr006405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:22:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T6MIZT015931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:22:18 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2T6K1FP032689 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:20:01 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYH00960AX19B54@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:19:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 02:19:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] no sound, but fixed X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:35:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2TBZTvm009268 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:35:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TBZT92009264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:35:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TBZTA0017744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:35:29 -0500 Received: from smtp.mathey.org (smtp.mathey.org [75.127.87.202]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TBYT9x004076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:34:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (smtp.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619F384089 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:34:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mathey.org Received: from smtp.mathey.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.mathey.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M1jZwmuKz281 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.1.1.25] (pool-71-180-228-130.tampfl.fios.verizon.net [71.180.228.130]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mathey.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8438407E for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47EE292F.8050005@mathey.org> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:34:07 -0400 From: Chris Mathey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] no sound, but fixed References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: smtp.mathey.org X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.464, required 6, AWL -4.78, BAYES_50 0.00, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > Here's an easy way to fix things that might work. > > Sound died on my machine without a good reason. I hadn't done anything > but start a movie in mplayer which hung and wouldn't exit, so I rebooted > (nicely) to regain control. Afterward, sound wouldn't work in X. I > have a script that watches the web server's log file and plays a *ding* > when I get a hit. While no sounds worked in X (mixer did, but aplay > hung) I heard a *ding* when X exited on the way down. > > Reboot, no change. Shut down/boot up, no change. Then I remembered > that sometimes hardware gets into a weird state and won't reset until it > loses power, and that the PCI(e) bus is kept "hot" even when the > computer's turned off, to allow wake-on-LAN. So, I shut down, *turned > off the power supply*, waited until it died, then brought it back up. > Voila, sound. > Good tip. I have had to do that when installing a new PCI card once. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 29 08:23:29 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TDNTUf010240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:23:29 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2TDNTCx010239 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:23:29 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TDNTrr010235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:23:29 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-21.nks.net [209.34.225.181]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TDNRca030420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:23:29 -0500 Received: from ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (dimensionworks.com [24.73.82.194] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-21.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TDMNWm022020 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:22:24 -0500 Received: from [192.168.100.100] (administrator.dimensionnetworks.com [192.168.100.100]) by ns1.dimensionnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A252176C32 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SLUG] Spamassassin score and evolution From: Larry Brown To: slug@nks.net In-Reply-To: <20080329042141.GS20298@quillandmouse.com> References: <1206715000.12309.5.camel@administrator> <20080328213629.GR20298@quillandmouse.com> <1206757104.12309.116.camel@administrator> <20080329042141.GS20298@quillandmouse.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:22:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1206796936.12309.130.camel@administrator> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-2.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-dimensionnetworks.com-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, ORDB-RBL, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 6, autolearn=not spam) X-MailScanner-From: larry.brown@dimensionnetworks.com X-HELO: ns1.dimensionnetworks.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.749, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_larry_Pdo_brown_Pat_dimensionnetworks_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 00:21 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:18:23PM -0400, Larry Brown wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 17:36 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > > I don't know much about Evolution, but if it's like most GUI email > > > clients, it doesn't play well with things like procmail, since it wants > > > full control of email folders and such. (Thunderbird has issues along > > > this line, which is one reason I went back to Mutt.) > > > > > > Check the headers on email which has been through spamassassin and been > > > judged as spam. You should see some headers which are clearly from > > > spamassassin, and they will show a score, either as a number or a number > > > of stars, etc. In Evolution, you *should* be able to filter on the > > > content of a header line. So, if the header is "X-Spam-Score", then you > > > should be able to tell Evolution that when it sees this header, with a > > > value of ****, then dump it in a spam folder, delete it, etc. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > > This actually gave me the best solution for me, I think. Since I want > > to keep using Evolution I thought the ***** (or ssss in the MailScanner > > recommendation) was of no use. However, I can look for the header with > > one * and tell it to stop processing, look for ** and stop processing, > > look for *** and stop processing and the next rule would be to dump to > > the junk folder. That would allow me to filter scores of 4 or higher > > and I can add or remove filters to increase or decrease sensitivity. > > > > I just have to make sure: > > > > X-Spam-Score: ********* doesn't match the rule looking for > > X-Spam-Score: * > > > > I'm assuming that Evolution has the ability to filter headers using > things like "equals", "contains", etc. If so, you can set a filter of > "X-Spam-Score" contains "****" and that will catch anything 4 stars or > higher (think about it). Anything less than 4 stars wouldn't match. > That's the way I used to filter it in Thunderbird. In Thunderbird, if a > given filter "recipe" didn't match, it would simply fall through to the > next and next until one matched. I assume Evolution probably works the > same way. > > Paul Damn you guys are full of it! (Great ideas that is.) I'll reduce my four rules to 1. :) Thanks again Paul, Larry ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 29 14:27:47 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TJRksY013342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:27:46 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2TJRk0X013341 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:27:46 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TJRkLw013337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:27:46 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TJRjcK003701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:27:46 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TIgKvd012503 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:42:21 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYI00BX39FM28U4@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:45:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:42:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] "set -x" with timestamps? X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:14:59 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2TMExqX014723 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:14:59 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TMEx5G014719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:14:59 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-07.nks.net [209.34.225.207]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TMEwC7019659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:14:58 -0500 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by nks-ma-07.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2TMDsNP019086 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:13:54 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYI004FAJ2ZA5Z0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:13:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:13:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] "set -x" with timestamps? (fwd) X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: To: eben01@verizon.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] "set -x" with timestamps? Forget the previous emails. Change your PS4 prompt from the default of a '+' to the date, and turn on set -x. Sheesh! This was much easier than I thought, I'm embarrassed with the convoluted solutions I gave you previously. ============================== #!/bin/bash - set -x PS4='\D{%b %e %H:%M:%S }' ... # rest of script ============================== This works in zsh as well, and in a different way in ksh (use command substitution with the date command). -Wayne ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 29 20:17:01 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1H1fg016348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:17:01 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2U1H1Qw016347 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:17:01 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1H0pJ016343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:17:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1GxPI002993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:16:59 -0500 Received: from [65.212.92.2] (smtp3.odell.com [65.212.92.2] (may be forged)) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1G40G000879 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:16:07 -0500 Received: from billspc ([10.61.243.229]) (authenticated bits=0) by [65.212.92.2] (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m2U1DeOe019850 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:13:40 -0400 From: "Bill Glidden" To: Subject: [SLUG] What would you use? Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:16:01 -0400 Message-ID: <051701c89203$9e692ff0$e5f33d0a@billspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0518_01C891E2.17578FF0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AciSA54JUs4gjDIVSReXKAPMO0IwDw== X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.1.7, No X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on sc1000 X-HELO: [65.212.92.2] X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=4.251, required 6, BAYES_99 3.50, BP_clickhere 0.50, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: ssss Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0518_01C891E2.17578FF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Talk amongst yourself. I'll give you a topic: Suppose you were tasked with developing a Linux-based application that needs a very snappy, very responsive GUI front-end. What would you use to build this GUI and why? By responsive, I mean that if I click on a button, I need to redraw at least half of the screen within 1 second. More specifically this would be a kiosk application. The objective is to present information as fast as possible to the user. I'm showing my age here, but I still miss the days when I would do DOS programming and just write to video memory. That was *fast*! That's the kind of speed I'm looking for. Discuss! Thanks for any opinions. ------=_NextPart_000_0518_01C891E2.17578FF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Talk amongst yourself… I’ll give you a = topic:

 

Suppose you were tasked with developing a Linux-based application that needs a very snappy, very responsive GUI front-end. = What would you use to build this GUI and why? By responsive, I mean that if I click = on a button, I need to redraw at least half of the screen within 1 second. = More specifically this would be a kiosk application. The objective is to = present information as fast as possible to the user. I’m showing my age = here, but I still miss the days when I would do DOS programming and just write to = video memory. That was *fast*! = That’s the kind of speed I’m looking for.

 

Discuss!

 

Thanks for any opinions.

 

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From owner-slug-track29 Sat Mar 29 20:21:41 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1Lfeq016403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:21:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2U1Lf70016402 for slug-track29; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:21:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1LfNw016398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:21:41 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1Ld5u003342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:21:40 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2U1Kwn2001696 for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:20:58 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id C3FF8B4C3BE; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC05B4C3BE for ; Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47EEEADA.9010602@runithard.com> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:20:26 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What would you use? References: <051701c89203$9e692ff0$e5f33d0a@billspc> In-Reply-To: <051701c89203$9e692ff0$e5f33d0a@billspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-1.541, required 6, AWL -2.29, BAYES_50 0.00, BP_clickhere 0.50, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Ncurses ;-) Bill Glidden wrote: > > Talk amongst yourself… I’ll give you a topic: > > Suppose you were tasked with developing a Linux-based application that > needs a very snappy, very responsive GUI front-end. What would you use > to build this GUI and why? By responsive, I mean that if I click on a > button, I need to redraw at least half of the screen within 1 second. > More specifically this would be a kiosk application. The objective is > to present information as fast as possible to the user. I’m showing my > age here, but I still miss the days when I would do DOS programming > and just write to video memory. That was **fast**! That’s the kind of > speed I’m looking for. > > Discuss! > > Thanks for any opinions. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 08:48:36 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UDmao7022966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:48:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2UDmarY022965 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:48:36 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UDmZZB022961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:48:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UDmZQX012833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:48:35 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UDC22s011617 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 08:12:02 -0500 Received: from [192.168.5.5] (really [72.186.81.186]) by hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080330131202.YCPU14774.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.5.5]> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:12:02 +0000 Message-ID: <47EF90EE.6000302@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:09:02 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] What would you use? References: <051701c89203$9e692ff0$e5f33d0a@billspc> In-Reply-To: <051701c89203$9e692ff0$e5f33d0a@billspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.5, required 6, BAYES_60 1.00, BP_clickhere 0.50) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Bill Glidden wrote: > > Talk amongst yourself… I’ll give you a topic: > > Suppose you were tasked with developing a Linux-based application that > needs a very snappy, very responsive GUI front-end. What would you use > to build this GUI and why? By responsive, I mean that if I click on a > button, I need to redraw at least half of the screen within 1 second. > More specifically this would be a kiosk application. The objective is > to present information as fast as possible to the user. I’m showing my > age here, but I still miss the days when I would do DOS programming > and just write to video memory. That was **fast**! That’s the kind of > speed I’m looking for. > > Discuss! > > Thanks for any opinions. > Java...on a quad-core 3.6GHz machine. :-) --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 11:36:03 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UGa3Gs024390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:36:03 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2UGa3QM024389 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:36:03 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UGa3tT024385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:36:03 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-14.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-14.nks.net [209.34.225.214]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UGa1OO028973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:36:02 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by nks-ma-14.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UGYdsq025047 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:34:39 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYJ00GSCXWBZQZ8@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:31:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:34:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] firefox windows X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:34:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2UIYmmF025393 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:34:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UIYmGo025389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:34:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UIYkQ3007112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:34:48 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UIEuem010493 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:14:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.5.5] (really [72.186.81.186]) by hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080330181454.DFUU14774.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@[192.168.5.5]> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:14:54 +0000 Message-ID: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:11:52 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.001, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Eben King wrote: > I have the Sessionsaver (version 0.2 d1 nightly 31) plugin to Firefox > 1.5. Every time I start FF (which is every time I exit X, plus every > time it crashes), maybe 1/3 the windows are visible and the rest are > off one end or the other of my virtual desktops (there are 10 of them > in a row). For the most part, I can just go to the rightmost desktop > and pick any window with a positive X-coordinate, and it is moved to > (0,0). Similar for the other end, with s/right/left/ and s/posi/nega/ > . Occasionally one will get "stuck" and I have to use FvwmConsole. > > Anyone seen this, or know a workaround? apt and friends say I have FF > 2.0, but FF insists it's version 1.5. Sessionsaver has no updates, it > says. How about a (less-buggy) replacement? > Perhaps you have two different versions of FireFox installed? Apt might have installed v2.0 in /opt or somewhere, while you manually installed v1.5 in /usr (or somewhere)? You can try "locate firefox/firefox" (looking for a firefox executable inside a directory named "firefox"). --ronan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 14:12:53 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UJCr04025694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:12:53 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2UJCqZP025693 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:12:52 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UJCqPU025689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:12:52 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-16.nks.net [209.34.225.176]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UJCpvS010775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:12:52 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UIpcGI006911 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:51:38 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK009JZ4D997M9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:51:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows In-reply-to: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.42, required 6, AWL -5.33, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, ronan wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> I have the Sessionsaver (version 0.2 d1 nightly 31) plugin to Firefox 1.5. >> Every time I start FF (which is every time I exit X, plus every time it >> crashes), maybe 1/3 the windows are visible and the rest are off one end or >> the other of my virtual desktops (there are 10 of them in a row). For the >> most part, I can just go to the rightmost desktop and pick any window with >> a positive X-coordinate, and it is moved to (0,0). Similar for the other >> end, with s/right/left/ and s/posi/nega/ . Occasionally one will get >> "stuck" and I have to use FvwmConsole. >> >> Anyone seen this, or know a workaround? apt and friends say I have FF 2.0, >> but FF insists it's version 1.5. Sessionsaver has no updates, it says. How >> about a (less-buggy) replacement? >> > Perhaps you have two different versions of FireFox installed? Apt might have > installed v2.0 in /opt or somewhere, while you manually installed v1.5 in > /usr (or somewhere)? You can try "locate firefox/firefox" (looking for a > firefox executable inside a directory named "firefox"). Indeed: eben@pc:~$ locate firefox/firefox /usr/share/firefox/firefox-restart-required.update-notifier /usr/lib/firefox/firefox /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-xremote-client /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin /usr/lib/firefox/firefox.cfg /etc/firefox/firefoxrc /opt/firefox/firefox-bin /opt/firefox/firefox eben@pc:~$ du -sh /usr/lib/firefox/ /opt/firefox/ 20M /usr/lib/firefox/ 22M /opt/firefox/ What would I lose if I did "rm -r /usr/lib/firefox/"? Actually, I might try "mv /usr/lib/firefox /usr/lib/firefox.old" and see how that goes first. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of being called an idea at all. -Oscar Wilde ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 14:44:47 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UJilNa025982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:44:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2UJilP3025981 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:44:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UJilBb025977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:44:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-09.nks.net [209.34.225.209]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UJijol014496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:44:45 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by nks-ma-09.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UJfmxS027237 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:41:48 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK00CO56JR8JXA@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:38:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:41:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows In-reply-to: X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> X-HELO: vms173003pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.933, required 6, AWL -2.98, BAYES_80 2.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, ronan wrote: > >> Eben King wrote: >>> I have the Sessionsaver (version 0.2 d1 nightly 31) plugin to Firefox 1.5. >>> Every time I start FF (which is every time I exit X, plus every time it >>> crashes), maybe 1/3 the windows are visible and the rest are off one end >>> or the other of my virtual desktops (there are 10 of them in a row). For >>> the most part, I can just go to the rightmost desktop and pick any window >>> with a positive X-coordinate, and it is moved to (0,0). Similar for the >>> other end, with s/right/left/ and s/posi/nega/ . Occasionally one will get >>> "stuck" and I have to use FvwmConsole. >>> >> Perhaps you have two different versions of FireFox installed? Apt might >> have installed v2.0 in /opt or somewhere, while you manually installed v1.5 >> in /usr (or somewhere)? You can try "locate firefox/firefox" (looking for a >> firefox executable inside a directory named "firefox"). > > Indeed: > > eben@pc:~$ locate firefox/firefox > /usr/share/firefox/firefox-restart-required.update-notifier > /usr/lib/firefox/firefox > /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-xremote-client > /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin > /usr/lib/firefox/firefox.cfg > /etc/firefox/firefoxrc > /opt/firefox/firefox-bin > /opt/firefox/firefox > > eben@pc:~$ du -sh /usr/lib/firefox/ /opt/firefox/ > 20M /usr/lib/firefox/ > 22M /opt/firefox/ > > What would I lose if I did "rm -r /usr/lib/firefox/"? Actually, I might try > "mv /usr/lib/firefox /usr/lib/firefox.old" and see how that goes first. Nope, didn't do it (the mv, not the rm). FF still says it's 1.5. What does that directory do, then? Maybe FF memorizes its inode number, but that'd be silly... what if it's on some non-local file system, or you restore it from backup when it's down? -- "On two occasions I have been asked, -- 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' ... I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." -- Charles Babbage, 1864. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 16:09:57 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UL9uet026720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:09:56 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2UL9uoK026719 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:09:56 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UL9urF026715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:09:56 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UL9t1N029984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:09:56 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UKuCvi022292 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:56:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.5.5] (really [72.186.81.186]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080330205611.DPXC20696.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@[192.168.5.5]> for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:56:11 +0000 Message-ID: <47EFFDB5.8000204@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:53:09 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows References: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-6.174, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -6.17, BAYES_50 0.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net You might try just routing your paths to use the other firefox: export PATH=/opt/firefox:$PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/firefox:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH that way, the stuff in /opt will get used preferentially. Since you want the one that was installed by apt-get, you can feel free to blow-away firefox with reckless abandon, since you can always use apt-get to re-install the version that you really want. --ronan > > eben@pc:~$ du -sh /usr/lib/firefox/ /opt/firefox/ > 20M /usr/lib/firefox/ > 22M /opt/firefox/ > > What would I lose if I did "rm -r /usr/lib/firefox/"? Actually, I > might try "mv /usr/lib/firefox /usr/lib/firefox.old" and see how that > goes first. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 17:59:57 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UMxvtF027607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:59:57 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2UMxv1x027606 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:59:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UMxvVG027602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:59:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UMxuUi011898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:59:56 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (balanced.mail.policyd.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2UMuAHw023318 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:56:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (174-191.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com [97.97.191.174]) by postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3DDBF1F8 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:56:08 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows Message-ID: <20080330225608.GA967@njord.hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> X-Uptime: 13:07:43 up 7 days, 23:34, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Reply-By: Thu Mar 27 18:54:26 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.708, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake ronan on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 02:11PM -0400: > Perhaps you have two different versions of FireFox installed? Apt might > have installed v2.0 in /opt Debian-style packages do not use /opt, last time I read the policy manual. -- "355/113 -- Not the famous irrational number PI, but an incredible simulation!" - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 19:46:47 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V0klHq028578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:47 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V0klVi028577 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:47 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V0klPA028573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-00.nks.net [209.34.225.160]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V0klis026059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:46:47 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-00.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V0jDkX007568 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:45:13 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK003X2KQS9270@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:44:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:44:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows In-reply-to: <20080330225608.GA967@njord.hardison.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> <20080330225608.GA967@njord.hardison.net> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.605, required 6, AWL -5.11, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake ronan on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 02:11PM -0400: >> Perhaps you have two different versions of FireFox installed? Apt might >> have installed v2.0 in /opt > Debian-style packages do not use /opt, last time I read the policy manual. Great, thanks, that's the magic word. I had (erroneously) assumed the bigger one was later. What I did: As root: cd /opt mv firefox firefox.old As me: /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu (which I'll rename to "firefox") and it came up. I'll have to bring up 1.5 again to transcribe all open windows' URLs into something, because 2.0 came up with just the start page. ... Crap, running 2.0 deleted them. Oh well, that's what backups are for. root@pc:~# mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/temp -o ro root@pc:~# cp -r /mnt/temp/eben/.mozilla/firefox ~eben/.mozilla/ root@pc:~# umount /dev/hdb1 Muhahaha... ... Wow, 31 windows (11 of which came up offscreen) with a total of 118 tabs. I think I might have a problem. Also, when I bring up FF (either version) or "Deluge-torrent", I get (Gecko:32087): gnome-vfs-modules-WARNING **: Could not initialize inotify (well, not exactly that for Deluge). What do I need to install to make it happy? And will doing so benefit me in any way besides making the message go away? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 A: Because it looks dumb and is hard to read. Q: Why is top-posting wrong? -- from lots42@xxx.com http://www.fscked.co.uk/writing/top-posting-cuss.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 21:32:38 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2Wcd8029510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:32:38 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V2WcEE029509 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:32:38 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2WcWN029505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:32:38 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-19.nks.net [209.34.225.179]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2WcKE007705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:32:38 -0500 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2VMfO026076 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:31:23 -0500 Received: from [192.168.5.5] (really [72.186.81.186]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080331023121.DXEF13754.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@[192.168.5.5]> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:31:21 +0000 Message-ID: <47F04C40.5000900@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:28:16 -0400 From: ronan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows References: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> <20080330225608.GA967@njord.hardison.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-4.605, required 6, AWL -5.21, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Your settings should have been in your home directory (~/.firefox), not in the app install directory. You shouldn't need to bring up the old app to get any settings (extensions might be a different matter?) --ronan > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >> Spake ronan on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 02:11PM -0400: >>> Perhaps you have two different versions of FireFox installed? Apt might >>> have installed v2.0 in /opt >> Debian-style packages do not use /opt, last time I read the policy >> manual. > > Great, thanks, that's the magic word. I had (erroneously) assumed the > bigger one was later. What I did: > > As root: > cd /opt > mv firefox firefox.old > > As me: > /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu > (which I'll rename to "firefox") > > and it came up. I'll have to bring up 1.5 again to transcribe all open > windows' URLs into something, because 2.0 came up with just the start > page. > > ... > > Crap, running 2.0 deleted them. Oh well, that's what backups are for. > > root@pc:~# mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/temp -o ro > root@pc:~# cp -r /mnt/temp/eben/.mozilla/firefox ~eben/.mozilla/ > root@pc:~# umount /dev/hdb1 > > Muhahaha... > > ... > > Wow, 31 windows (11 of which came up offscreen) with a total of 118 > tabs. I think I might have a problem. > > Also, when I bring up FF (either version) or "Deluge-torrent", I get > > (Gecko:32087): gnome-vfs-modules-WARNING **: Could not initialize inotify > > (well, not exactly that for Deluge). What do I need to install to make > it happy? And will doing so benefit me in any way besides making the > message go away? > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 21:34:48 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2Ymto029532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:34:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V2Ymcp029531 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:34:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2Yljk029527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:34:47 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-23.nks.net [209.34.225.183]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2YlQG007917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:34:47 -0500 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5]) by nks-ma-23.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2Y2i1021582 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:34:02 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.180.138.134]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK004NVPJ64685@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:28:19 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:33:43 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) X-HELO: vms173005pub.verizon.net X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.749, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25, WGL_dhaselwood_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Can linux, e.g. Suse 10.3, copied and booted up on a partition with a different filesystem from the one it was installed on? My experiments suggest that this cannot be done, but maybe there is something I'm overlooking. For example, I have Suse 10.3 installed on a partition with ext3. I copy the whole system to a partition formatted with ext2. I fix fstab and grub. Boot fails early, ending with "Loading ext3"; "Mount: unknown filesystem type ext2"; then," kernel panic...". If I do the same copy/fix-up process to a partition with ext3 it works fine. I also tried it on a machine with Suse 10.2 installed on an ext2 partition and copied to an ext3 partition. Boot fails with "unknown filesystem type ext3" when the filesystem type on the copy is ext3; of course in this case the filesystem types are reversed, i.e. "Loading ext2"; "Mount: unknown filesystem type ext3." And again, it works fine if the partition filesystem type for the copy is the same as the installed type, ext2. This suggests that something in the kernel/initrd images has the filesystem type expected and fails when a different one is encountered. So far, I haven't been able to turn up anything to confirm/refute this on the web. Regards, Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 21:56:12 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2uCeu029682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V2uCPx029681 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2uC4h029677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-16.nks.net [209.34.225.176]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2uBE9009871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:12 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2saeA026490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:54:36 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50730 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgAAk-0006bo-1r for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:54:58 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 856B656A67; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:54:32 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type Message-ID: <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.235, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 0.32, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:33:43PM -0400, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > Can linux, e.g. Suse 10.3, copied and booted up on a partition with a > different filesystem from the one it was installed on? My experiments > suggest that this cannot be done, but maybe there is something I'm > overlooking. > > For example, I have Suse 10.3 installed on a partition with ext3. I copy the > whole system to a partition formatted with ext2. I fix fstab and grub. Boot > fails early, ending with "Loading ext3"; "Mount: unknown filesystem type > ext2"; then," kernel panic...". If I do the same copy/fix-up process to a > partition with ext3 it works fine. > > I also tried it on a machine with Suse 10.2 installed on an ext2 partition > and > copied to an ext3 partition. Boot fails with "unknown filesystem type ext3" > when the filesystem type on the copy is ext3; of course in this case the > filesystem types are reversed, i.e. "Loading ext2"; "Mount: unknown > filesystem type ext3." And again, it works fine if the partition filesystem > type for the copy is the same as the installed type, ext2. > > This suggests that something in the kernel/initrd images has the filesystem > type expected and fails when a different one is encountered. So far, I > haven't been able to turn up anything to confirm/refute this on the web. > Linux shouldn't care what filesystem it boots/runs on (within limits). As long as the driver for the file system it boots/runs from is loaded into the kernel. When you say you "copied" a SuSE installation from one filesystem to another, I'm not sure how you mean "copied". Using cp? Using dd? Using rsync? Could make a difference. An ext3 filesystem is essentially an ext2 filesystem with hidden journaling for fault-tolerance. However, there is something somewhere which tells the kernel what filesystem you're using. And it appears that whatever that is (grub? something in /etc?) is being copied over and telling your kernel the wrong filesystem type. I believe the bootloader has to know what type of filesystem to load (I don't believe it autodetects it), and it loads or tells the kernel to load the proper driver for it. I really think it's that simple. If someone else knows more than I do about this, please speak up. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 21:56:33 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2uXb5029689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:33 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V2uXv9029688 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:33 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2uWYs029684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:32 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2uW4W009909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:56:32 -0500 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V2tfmj004223 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:55:41 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK002TAQSHWME1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:55:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type In-reply-to: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-HELO: vms046pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.86, required 6, AWL -2.77, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > Can linux, e.g. Suse 10.3, copied and booted up on a partition with a > different filesystem from the one it was installed on? My experiments > suggest that this cannot be done, but maybe there is something I'm > overlooking. I'd have to say "yes, probably", because at one time I had ext2 on / and now I have ext3. Odds are I didn't reinstall to do this as I rarely install. > For example, I have Suse 10.3 installed on a partition with ext3. I copy the > whole system to a partition formatted with ext2. I fix fstab and grub. Boot > fails early, ending with "Loading ext3"; "Mount: unknown filesystem type > ext2"; then," kernel panic...". If I do the same copy/fix-up process to a > partition with ext3 it works fine. I've always used lilo (well, grub is on the laptop but I haven't had to futz with it). Maybe your grub doesn't have a handler for ext2? > I also tried it on a machine with Suse 10.2 installed on an ext2 partition > and copied to an ext3 partition. Boot fails with "unknown filesystem type > ext3" when the filesystem type on the copy is ext3; of course in this case > the filesystem types are reversed, i.e. "Loading ext2"; "Mount: unknown > filesystem type ext3." And again, it works fine if the partition > filesystem type for the copy is the same as the installed type, ext2. Can you tell what's giving you the "unknown filesystem" message? If it's the kernel, you need to make sure the module for ext3 is in the initrd or compiled into the kernel. > This suggests that something in the kernel/initrd images has the filesystem > type expected and fails when a different one is encountered. So far, I > haven't been able to turn up anything to confirm/refute this on the web. See if there's some way to reconfigure grub. Maybe there's a process where you choose among the valid filesystems for / (ext2/ext3/umsdos/reiserfs/etc). -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 Two atoms are walking along. Suddenly, one stops. The other says, "What's wrong?" "I've lost an electron." "Are you sure?" "I'm positive!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 22:02:22 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V32M9Y029809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:02:22 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V32Mpb029808 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:02:22 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V32Lqd029804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:02:21 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-19.nks.net [209.34.225.179]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V32KKK010628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:02:21 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-19.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V30kqK031681 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:00:47 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 68A3BB4C857; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FA8B4C759 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47F053CB.4070804@runithard.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:00:27 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.945, required 6, AWL -3.20, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net As long as the FS module is BUILT INTO the kernel it should be able to boot off ext2 with ease. There's probably something wrong in your fstab or in your boot loader. Eben King wrote: > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > >> Can linux, e.g. Suse 10.3, copied and booted up on a partition with a >> different filesystem from the one it was installed on? My experiments >> suggest that this cannot be done, but maybe there is something I'm >> overlooking. > > I'd have to say "yes, probably", because at one time I had ext2 on / > and now I have ext3. Odds are I didn't reinstall to do this as I > rarely install. > >> For example, I have Suse 10.3 installed on a partition with ext3. I >> copy the >> whole system to a partition formatted with ext2. I fix fstab and >> grub. Boot >> fails early, ending with "Loading ext3"; "Mount: unknown filesystem type >> ext2"; then," kernel panic...". If I do the same copy/fix-up process >> to a >> partition with ext3 it works fine. > > I've always used lilo (well, grub is on the laptop but I haven't had > to futz with it). Maybe your grub doesn't have a handler for ext2? > >> I also tried it on a machine with Suse 10.2 installed on an ext2 >> partition and copied to an ext3 partition. Boot fails with "unknown >> filesystem type ext3" when the filesystem type on the copy is ext3; >> of course in this case the filesystem types are reversed, i.e. >> "Loading ext2"; "Mount: unknown filesystem type ext3." And again, it >> works fine if the partition filesystem type for the copy is the same >> as the installed type, ext2. > > Can you tell what's giving you the "unknown filesystem" message? If > it's the kernel, you need to make sure the module for ext3 is in the > initrd or compiled into the kernel. > >> This suggests that something in the kernel/initrd images has the >> filesystem >> type expected and fails when a different one is encountered. So far, I >> haven't been able to turn up anything to confirm/refute this on the web. > > See if there's some way to reconfigure grub. Maybe there's a process > where you choose among the valid filesystems for / > (ext2/ext3/umsdos/reiserfs/etc). > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 22:03:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V33Etd029833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:03:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V33Ek5029832 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:03:14 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V33EM6029828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:03:14 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V33Chx010809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:03:13 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V31wah006272 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:01:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (174-191.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com [97.97.191.174]) by postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4967FBEC76 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:01:55 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows Message-ID: <20080331030155.GB967@njord.hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> <20080330225608.GA967@njord.hardison.net> <47F04C40.5000900@tampabay.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47F04C40.5000900@tampabay.rr.com> X-Uptime: 13:07:43 up 7 days, 23:34, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Reply-By: Thu Mar 27 18:54:26 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.092, required 6, BAYES_05 -1.11, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake ronan on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 10:28PM -0400: ronan> Your settings should have been in your home directory (~/.firefox), not ronan> in the app install directory. You shouldn't need to bring up the old app ronan> to get any settings (extensions might be a different matter?) Err, I think you misread. :) eben>> root@pc:~# cp -r /mnt/temp/eben/.mozilla/firefox ~eben/.mozilla/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 22:07:48 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V37mA9029879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:07:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V37mpY029878 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:07:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V37mF3029874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:07:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V37lQQ011748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:07:47 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V37AIV011506 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:07:10 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK000Z2RBQ0J72@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:07:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:07:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] firefox windows In-reply-to: <47F04C40.5000900@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47EFD7E8.1040606@tampabay.rr.com> <20080330225608.GA967@njord.hardison.net> <47F04C40.5000900@tampabay.rr.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-2.041, required 6, AWL -4.55, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_73 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, ronan wrote: >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: >> >>> Spake ronan on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 02:11PM -0400: >>>> Perhaps you have two different versions of FireFox installed? Apt might >>>> have installed v2.0 in /opt >>> Debian-style packages do not use /opt, last time I read the policy manual. >> >> Great, thanks, that's the magic word. I had (erroneously) assumed the >> bigger one was later. What I did: >> >> As root: >> cd /opt >> mv firefox firefox.old >> >> As me: >> /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu >> (which I'll rename to "firefox") >> >> and it came up. I'll have to bring up 1.5 again to transcribe all open >> windows' URLs into something, because 2.0 came up with just the start page. > Your settings should have been in your home directory (~/.firefox), not in > the app install directory. You shouldn't need to bring up the old app to get > any settings (extensions might be a different matter?) They were, for the most part. FF kept which sites were (not) allowed to set cookies, and most other prefs. It _didn't_ keep the list of open tabs, and what's worse, wiped it out so when I re-ran 1.5 it wasn't there. I had to restore it from backup, then transcribe all 118 of them, and re-open most of them in 2.0. It also didn't keep the list of which sites were allowed to use Javascript. I'll cut it some slack, as the things it didn't keep were managed by Extensions^WAdd-ons. -- "Never go off on tangents, which are lines that intersect a curve at only one point and were discovered by Euclid, who lived in the 6th century, which was an era dominated by the Goths, who lived in what we now know as Poland." - from Nov. 1998 issue of Infosystems Executive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 22:13:00 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3D0cc029924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:13:00 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V3D05s029923 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:13:00 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3Cx8n029919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:13:00 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3Cx7R012362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:12:59 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-207.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.207]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3BVCA013839 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:11:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (174-191.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com [97.97.191.174]) by postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D320BECBA for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:11:29 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type Message-ID: <20080331031129.GC967@njord.hardison.net> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> X-Uptime: 13:07:43 up 7 days, 23:34, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Reply-By: Thu Mar 27 23:04:40 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.019, required 6, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Paul M Foster on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 10:54PM -0400: > telling your kernel the wrong filesystem type. I believe the bootloader > has to know what type of filesystem to load (I don't believe it > autodetects it), and it loads or tells the kernel to load the proper > driver for it. > > I really think it's that simple. If someone else knows more than I do > about this, please speak up. Yes, sort of. Grub needs the proper stage file for the filesystem (/boot/grub/${FS_TYPE}_stage1_5), but it infers the filesystem type. The kernel further infers the type of the root partition -- I think -- and other information comes from /etc/fstab. I have switched from IDE to SATA, and to do this simply required copying from the IDE harddrive to the SATA and editing /etc/fstab to say "/dev/sda[123]" instead of "/dev/hda[123]", and running grub-install on the new drive: (assuming /dev/sda1 is mounted to /mnt, run grub-install /mnt). -- "In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." -- Carl Sagan, Cosmos - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Sun Mar 30 22:25:58 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3PwDI030125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:58 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V3PvK6030124 for slug-track29; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:57 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3PveB030120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:57 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-13.nks.net [209.34.225.213]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3PvtD013831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:57 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-13.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V3PO3f031418 for ; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:24 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK00FHSS67HIH0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:25:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:25:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type In-reply-to: <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms042pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.413, required 6, AWL -1.50, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:33:43PM -0400, Donald E Haselwood wrote: > >> Can linux, e.g. Suse 10.3, copied and booted up on a partition with a >> different filesystem from the one it was installed on? My experiments >> suggest that this cannot be done, but maybe there is something I'm >> overlooking. >> >> For example, I have Suse 10.3 installed on a partition with ext3. I copy the >> whole system to a partition formatted with ext2. I fix fstab and grub. Boot >> fails early, ending with "Loading ext3"; "Mount: unknown filesystem type >> ext2"; then," kernel panic...". If I do the same copy/fix-up process to a >> partition with ext3 it works fine. >> >> I also tried it on a machine with Suse 10.2 installed on an ext2 partition >> and >> copied to an ext3 partition. Boot fails with "unknown filesystem type ext3" >> when the filesystem type on the copy is ext3; of course in this case the >> filesystem types are reversed, i.e. "Loading ext2"; "Mount: unknown >> filesystem type ext3." And again, it works fine if the partition filesystem >> type for the copy is the same as the installed type, ext2. >> >> This suggests that something in the kernel/initrd images has the filesystem >> type expected and fails when a different one is encountered. So far, I >> haven't been able to turn up anything to confirm/refute this on the web. >> > > Linux shouldn't care what filesystem it boots/runs on (within limits). > As long as the driver for the file system it boots/runs from is loaded > into the kernel. > > When you say you "copied" a SuSE installation from one filesystem to > another, I'm not sure how you mean "copied". Using cp? Using dd? Using > rsync? Could make a difference. > > An ext3 filesystem is essentially an ext2 filesystem with hidden > journaling for fault-tolerance. However, there is something somewhere > which tells the kernel what filesystem you're using. And it appears that > whatever that is (grub? something in /etc?) is being copied over and > telling your kernel the wrong filesystem type. I believe the bootloader > has to know what type of filesystem to load (I don't believe it > autodetects it), and it loads or tells the kernel to load the proper > driver for it. There's either a kernel flag for it supplied by the bootloader, or the kernel expects / to be mounted when it's invoked, I can't figure out which. /etc/fstab has an entry for / , but it must be dummy, since by that time / is already mounted. The kernel needs support for /'s filesystem, either modular (and in the initrd) or in the kernel. If the module to access / is on /, you have a nice catch-22. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. -- H.L. 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 01:09:12 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V69CpH031495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:09:12 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2V69CoI031494 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:09:12 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V69Cxv031490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:09:12 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-20.nks.net [209.34.225.180]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V69BmL032738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:09:11 -0500 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by nks-ma-20.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2V65CJp025793 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:05:12 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYK0029XZKNW3R1@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:05:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:05:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: [SLUG] sparse file X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: SLUG Mailing List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:22:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VCMpXY002463 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:22:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VCMobP002459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:22:50 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-10.nks.net [209.34.225.210]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VCMl9F016247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:22:49 -0500 Received: from crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (powersportsexchange.com [24.129.157.238]) by nks-ma-10.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VCDDlL000774 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:13:14 -0500 Received: by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix, from userid 1111) id 7A82AB4C759; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (enterprise [192.168.0.100]) by crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D52AB4C3BE for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47F0D53F.10706@runithard.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:12:47 -0400 From: Matthew Rogers User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: crazyhorse.revolutionaryit.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.014, required 6, AWL -3.27, BAYES_50 0.00, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net touch Eben King wrote: > How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: > I've got a Bit Torrent client that lets me pick and choose which files > to download. Its normal file allocation mode saves space when a > torrent is partially downloaded, but all the chunks are crammed > together. There is an alternate storage method that allocates all the > files from the get-go, and then fills them in as you go. However, it > allocates _all_ of them, even if you're only getting a few, and all of > them won't fit. I figure that if I go behind its back and replace the > files with sparse ones, it should fit. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 08:58:41 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VDwe1D003245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:58:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VDweJj003244 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:58:40 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VDwetv003240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:58:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VDwcLK025543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:58:39 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-74.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VD3MFU007267 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:03:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (rrcs-67-78-3-246.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.3.246]) by postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9D1BF14C for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:03:17 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file Message-ID: <20080331130317.GO31673@mani.r-stream.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Uptime: 13:59:21 up 3 days, 14:10, 1 user, load average: 0.52, 0.46, 0.22 Reply-By: Fri Mar 28 08:57:01 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.341, required 6, AWL -0.30, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 02:05AM -0400: > How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: I've dd count=0 bs=1M seek=20 of=pants -- Great acts are made up of small deeds. -- Lao Tsu - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 09:02:36 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VE2Z47003350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:02:36 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VE2ZfB003349 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:02:35 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VE2ZBj003345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:02:35 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-18.nks.net [209.34.225.178]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VE2YQO026153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:02:35 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-18.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VDQrgZ027384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:26:53 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50539 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgK2d-0004g2-M4 for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:27:15 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4FFAA56A67; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:26:50 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type Message-ID: <20080331132650.GV20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-10.674, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.48, BAYES_00 -2.60, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:25:24PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > There's either a kernel flag for it supplied by the bootloader, or the > kernel expects / to be mounted when it's invoked, I can't figure out which. > /etc/fstab has an entry for / , but it must be dummy, since by that time / > is already mounted. The kernel needs support for /'s filesystem, either > modular (and in the initrd) or in the kernel. If the module to access / is > on /, you have a nice catch-22. > I don't think so. Once configured properly, grub knows how to load your *boot* filesystem. The entry in /etc/fstab takes over, loading the *root* filesystem once grub has loaded the boot filesystem and booted the machine. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 11:27:09 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VGR835004640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:27:09 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VGR8WD004639 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:27:08 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VGR80C004635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:27:08 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VGR7Nh014500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:27:07 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VFZujW028366 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:35:56 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYL007RTQ10I393@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:36:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:33:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file In-reply-to: <47F0D53F.10706@runithard.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <47F0D53F.10706@runithard.com> X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.234, required 6, AWL -0.48, BAYES_50 0.00, BP_youhavewon 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Matthew Rogers wrote: > Eben King wrote: >> How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: I've got >> a Bit Torrent client that lets me pick and choose which files to download. >> Its normal file allocation mode saves space when a torrent is partially >> downloaded, but all the chunks are crammed together. There is an alternate >> storage method that allocates all the files from the get-go, and then fills >> them in as you go. However, it allocates _all_ of them, even if you're >> only getting a few, and all of them won't fit. I figure that if I go >> behind its back and replace the files with sparse ones, it should fit. > touch I don't see any way in the man page to have it create other than a 0-byte file. How do you do it? -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 If you need someone to blame Throw a rock in the air You'll hit someone guilty -- U2, _Zooropa_, "Dirty Day" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 11:36:31 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VGaVD6004704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:36:31 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VGaVKW004703 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:36:31 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VGaVVA004699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:36:31 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VGaT2p015404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:36:29 -0500 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VFk5XL001425 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:46:05 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYL006URQKNJ3I2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:48:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:44:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file In-reply-to: <20080331130317.GO31673@mani.r-stream.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080331130317.GO31673@mani.r-stream.com> X-HELO: vms040pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.348, required 6, AWL -2.76, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_28 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 02:05AM -0400: >> How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: I've > > dd count=0 bs=1M seek=20 of=pants Thanks. I modified it a bit: eben@pc:~$ dd count=0 bs=1M seek=100 if=/dev/zero of=testfile Dunno what it does with the infile, but if it's not there, dd hangs. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 CANCER: The position of Jupiter says that you should spend the rest of the week face down in the mud. Try not to shove a roll of duct tape up your nose when taking your driver's test. -- Weird Al ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 12:16:10 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHGAss005086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:16:10 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VHGACZ005085 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:16:10 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHG9PL005081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:16:10 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHG952020605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:16:09 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VH3U7r004644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:03:31 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50999 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgNQG-0008Fg-GQ for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:03:52 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D563956A67; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:03:26 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file Message-ID: <20080331170326.GW20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20080331130317.GO31673@mani.r-stream.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-5.86, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 2.49, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_28 0.60, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:44:58AM -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >> Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 02:05AM -0400: >>> How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: I've >> >> dd count=0 bs=1M seek=20 of=pants > > Thanks. I modified it a bit: > > eben@pc:~$ dd count=0 bs=1M seek=100 if=/dev/zero of=testfile > > Dunno what it does with the infile, but if it's not there, dd hangs. > dd copies from here to there. Without an input, it gets testy. The /dev/zero generates zeroes for your file contents. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 12:35:51 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHZpNk005238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:35:51 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VHZpTr005237 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:35:51 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHZpTa005233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:35:51 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-12.nks.net [209.34.225.9]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHZqTW023466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:35:52 -0500 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by nks-ma-12.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VGHqra018651 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:17:52 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.180.138.134]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYL004L5RV5ACT7@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:16:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:16:15 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with =?iso-8859-1?q?a=09different_filesystem?= type In-reply-to: <20080331031129.GC967@njord.hardison.net> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803311216.15866.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> <20080331031129.GC967@njord.hardison.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) X-HELO: vms173001pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.091, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP 0.00, WGL_dhaselwood_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Sunday 30 March 2008 11:11:29 pm Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake Paul M Foster on Sunday, March 30, 2008 at 10:54PM -0400: > > telling your kernel the wrong filesystem type. I believe the bootloader > > has to know what type of filesystem to load (I don't believe it > > autodetects it), and it loads or tells the kernel to load the proper > > driver for it. > > > > I really think it's that simple. If someone else knows more than I do > > about this, please speak up. > > Yes, sort of. > > Grub needs the proper stage file for the filesystem > (/boot/grub/${FS_TYPE}_stage1_5), but it infers the filesystem type. > The kernel further infers the type of the root partition -- I think -- > and other information comes from /etc/fstab. > > I have switched from IDE to SATA, and to do this simply required copying > from the IDE harddrive to the SATA and editing Was the SATA filesystem the same as the one on the IDE? I have been successful in copying from sdb2 to sdc3, adding an entry to grub with Yast running on the sdb2 system, changing fstab on sdc3, then booting. Works as long as the filesystems are the same. > /etc/fstab to say "/dev/sda[123]" instead of "/dev/hda[123]", and running > grub-install on the new drive: (assuming /dev/sda1 is mounted to /mnt, > run grub-install /mnt). Maybe running grub-install on the new drive is the answer (though I don't see why). Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 12:44:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHiEag005314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:44:14 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VHiDNr005313 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:44:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHiDjm005309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:44:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-15.nks.net [209.34.225.215]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHiCvt024437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:44:12 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-15.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHahSJ020043 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:36:43 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYL003E2VKS98W2@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:36:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file In-reply-to: <20080331170326.GW20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080331130317.GO31673@mani.r-stream.com> <20080331170326.GW20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.533, required 6, AWL -4.73, BAYES_50 0.00, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_28 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:44:58AM -0400, Eben King wrote: > >> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: >> >>> Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 02:05AM -0400: >>>> How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: I've >>> >>> dd count=0 bs=1M seek=20 of=pants >> >> Thanks. I modified it a bit: >> >> eben@pc:~$ dd count=0 bs=1M seek=100 if=/dev/zero of=testfile >> >> Dunno what it does with the infile, but if it's not there, dd hangs. > > dd copies from here to there. Without an input, it gets testy. The > /dev/zero generates zeroes for your file contents. Of which there are none, but I guess else it wants its "" + EOF from stdin if I don't give it that. -- The powers in charge keep us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not furnish the sums demanded. Yet these disasters seem never to have been quite real. -- D. MacArthur ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 13:18:02 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VII2VZ005673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:18:02 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VII2D6005672 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:18:02 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VII1Am005668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:18:01 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VII07A028364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:18:01 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHQ7Iw015027 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:26:08 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYL003MZV2V9253@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:25:44 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:25:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type In-reply-to: <20080331132650.GV20298@quillandmouse.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> <20080331132650.GV20298@quillandmouse.com> X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-0.103, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.10) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:25:24PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > >> There's either a kernel flag for it supplied by the bootloader, or the >> kernel expects / to be mounted when it's invoked, I can't figure out which. >> /etc/fstab has an entry for / , but it must be dummy, since by that time / >> is already mounted. The kernel needs support for /'s filesystem, either >> modular (and in the initrd) or in the kernel. If the module to access / is >> on /, you have a nice catch-22. > > I don't think so. Once configured properly, grub knows how to load your > *boot* filesystem. The entry in /etc/fstab takes over, loading the > *root* filesystem once grub has loaded the boot filesystem and booted the > machine. What's in the boot filesystem? I have no initrd, so that isn't necessary. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Derived from Robert Heinlein ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 13:33:29 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VIXS08005785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:33:28 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VIXS5G005784 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:33:28 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VIXSpT005780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:33:28 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-16.nks.net [209.34.225.176]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VIXSJS031086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:33:29 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (sd-green-bigip-66.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.66]) by nks-ma-16.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHqiDg016244 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:52:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (rrcs-67-78-3-246.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.3.246]) by postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3839BBE8DE for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:52:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:52:38 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a?different filesystem type Message-ID: <20080331175238.GR31673@mani.r-stream.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> <20080331031129.GC967@njord.hardison.net> <200803311216.15866.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200803311216.15866.dhaselwood@verizon.net> X-Uptime: 13:59:21 up 3 days, 14:10, 1 user, load average: 0.52, 0.46, 0.22 Reply-By: Fri Mar 28 13:27:59 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.866, required 6, AWL -5.63, BAYES_40 -0.18, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.31, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, J_CHICKENPOX_19 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Donald E Haselwood on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 12:16PM -0400: > Was the SATA filesystem the same as the one on the IDE? No, I just updated the fstype in /etc/fstab. -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming" - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 14:15:43 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJFh8c006121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:15:43 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VJFhEa006120 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:15:43 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJFg27006116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:15:42 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-11.nks.net [209.34.225.10]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJFfW4003518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:15:41 -0500 Received: from postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (balanced.mail.policyd.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by nks-ma-11.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VHT9Q8016397 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:29:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (rrcs-67-78-3-246.se.biz.rr.com [67.78.3.246]) by postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F31A5BF229 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:29:04 -0400 From: Dylan William Hardison To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file Message-ID: <20080331172904.GQ31673@mani.r-stream.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <20080331130317.GO31673@mani.r-stream.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Uptime: 13:59:21 up 3 days, 14:10, 1 user, load average: 0.52, 0.46, 0.22 Reply-By: Fri Mar 28 13:27:59 EDT 2008 X-Message-Flag: OUTLOOK ERROR: Message in violation of Microsoft Security Policy (MSP). X-Religion: Optimus Prime User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) X-HELO: postalmail-a5.g.dreamhost.com X-Mismatched-Host: True X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=1.792, required 6, AWL -0.45, BAYES_50 0.00, HELO_EQ_LOCALHOST 0.46, HOST_MISMATCH_COM 0.00, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY 0.33, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_28 0.60, NKS_MISMATCHED_HOST 0.25) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: s X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 11:44AM -0400: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > >> Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 02:05AM -0400: >>> How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: I've >> >> dd count=0 bs=1M seek=20 of=pants > > Thanks. I modified it a bit: > > eben@pc:~$ dd count=0 bs=1M seek=100 if=/dev/zero of=testfile > > Dunno what it does with the infile, but if it's not there, dd hangs. Interesting, that isn't needed here. What does dd --version report? % dd --version dd (coreutils) 5.97 -- "I asked of her, 'What do we celebrate?' She said to me, 'These be the good old days.'" -- David "Ziggy" Marley, "Good Old Days" (song) - GPG Fingerprint: 412C CCE9 DDA2 4FE9 C34F 754B 0863 0EA6 712E BBE1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 14:30:41 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJUf4P006292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:30:41 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VJUfc0006291 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:30:41 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJUe8E006287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:30:40 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-01.nks.net [209.34.225.161]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJUd7J006034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:30:41 -0500 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by nks-ma-01.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJP6e5024723 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:25:07 -0500 Received: from rufusxp ([68.207.112.172]) by cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080331192506.GMTR13750.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@rufusxp> for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:25:06 +0000 From: "Ken Elliott" To: Subject: [SLUG] Adobe apps on Linux? Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:25:06 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c89364$ed593bc0$0200a8c0@rufusxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AciTZO0BwQ7kTgwkR9+aLuwKjVIcvw== X-HELO: cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=3.25, required 6, BAYES_95 3.00, BP_adobeillustrator 0.25) X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamScore: sss X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net Slashdot article: Adobe Joins Linux Foundation, Develops AIR for Linux http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/31/1359204 Adobe AIR for Linux Alpha http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/air/ It would seem that Adobe want to become platform neutral for AIR apps. But if they expand the AIR platform, might we see Photoshop, Illustrator and other Adobe apps move to AIR, thus being available on Linux? Imagine the position this puts on Microsoft and Apple. Since Adobe has the source available for Linux, they could contribute code to insure that AIR apps run at native (or near native) speed. So MS and Apple are forced to keep AIR apps fast, or risk migration to Linux. This could get interesting. Ken Elliott ===================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 15:01:37 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VK1bOk006560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:01:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VK1bQ1006559 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:01:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VK1aMk006555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:01:36 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-17.nks.net [209.34.225.177]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VK1a4Y010302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:01:36 -0500 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by nks-ma-17.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJYqfE016829 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:34:52 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYM000SX11I0JQ4@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:34:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:34:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] sparse file In-reply-to: <20080331172904.GQ31673@mani.r-stream.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: <20080331130317.GO31673@mani.r-stream.com> <20080331172904.GQ31673@mani.r-stream.com> X-HELO: vms044pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-3.682, required 6, AWL -4.19, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_25 0.60, J_CHICKENPOX_28 0.60) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 11:44AM -0400: >> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Dylan William Hardison wrote: >> >>> Spake Eben King on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 02:05AM -0400: >>>> How would I create a sparse (no allocated storage) file? Reason: I've >>> >>> dd count=0 bs=1M seek=20 of=pants >> >> Thanks. I modified it a bit: >> >> eben@pc:~$ dd count=0 bs=1M seek=100 if=/dev/zero of=testfile >> >> Dunno what it does with the infile, but if it's not there, dd hangs. > > Interesting, that isn't needed here. > What does dd --version report? > % dd --version > dd (coreutils) 5.97 eben@pc:~$ dd --version dd (coreutils) 5.96 I guess that's the 0.01 . -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP http://royalty.mine.nu:81 "It can be shown that for any nutty theory, beyond-the-fringe political view or strange religion there exists a proponent on the Net. The proof is left as an exercise for your kill-file." -- Bertil Jonell ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). 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From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 15:35:49 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VKZmoM006848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:35:48 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VKZmbs006847 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:35:48 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VKZmnD006843 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:35:48 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-08.nks.net [209.34.225.208]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VKZlEC016379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:35:48 -0500 Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by nks-ma-08.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VJpbGv010930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:51:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [71.101.110.221]) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9361023E3AB for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47F140D1.7020200@roblimo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:51:45 -0400 From: "Robin 'Roblimo' Miller" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (X11/20080227) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Adobe apps on Linux? References: <001101c89364$ed593bc0$0200a8c0@rufusxp> In-Reply-To: <001101c89364$ed593bc0$0200a8c0@rufusxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HELO: mxout-03.mxes.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-9.749, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_50 0.00, BP_adobeillustrator 0.25, WGL_robin_Pat_roblimo_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net > > It would seem that Adobe want to become platform neutral for AIR apps. But > if they expand the AIR platform, might we see Photoshop, Illustrator and > other Adobe apps move to AIR, thus being available on Linux? My one use for Windows is video editing. Give me Adobe Premiere for Linux, and I can go (back) to 100% Linux, day and night. I prefer Sony Vegas to Premiere in many ways (and it costs a lot less), but Vegas is .net-dependent while Premiere runs on both Windows and Unix-based Mac OS, so it's a lot more likely port. One can hope, anyway. Oh - and a Linux-capable Premiere would be in a lot better position to work away at Apple's growing dominance of pro and prosumer video editing with Final Cut... a proprietary app that only runs on a proprietary OS that only runs on proprietary hardware... - Robin ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 16:56:17 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VLuHAY007513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:56:17 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VLuHRb007512 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:56:17 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VLuGYu007508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:56:17 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-06.nks.net [209.34.225.206]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VLuGCO028973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:56:16 -0500 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by nks-ma-06.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VLJViZ004912 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:19:31 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.180.138.134]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYM00LSC5N5WPN0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:13:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:19:23 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition =?iso-8859-1?q?with=09a=3Fdifferent_filesystem?= type In-reply-to: <20080331175238.GR31673@mani.r-stream.com> To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803311719.23430.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <200803311216.15866.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <20080331175238.GR31673@mani.r-stream.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) X-HELO: vms173005pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-7.677, required 6, autolearn=not spam, BAYES_40 -0.18, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, J_CHICKENPOX_19 0.60, SUBJECT_EXCESS_QP 0.00, WGL_dhaselwood_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 31 March 2008 01:52:38 pm Dylan William Hardison wrote: > Spake Donald E Haselwood on Monday, March 31, 2008 at 12:16PM -0400: > > Was the SATA filesystem the same as the one on the IDE? > > No, I just updated the fstype in /etc/fstab. >I have switched from IDE to SATA, and to do this simply required copying from >the IDE harddrive to the SATA and editing >/etc/fstab to say "/dev/sda[123]" instead of "/dev/hda[123]", and running >grub-install on the new drive: (assuming /dev/sda1 is mounted to /mnt, >run grub-install /mnt). Maybe that is the key, i.e. grub-install sets up the required filesystem. (Hmm, but what happens if there are two partition types on the same drive with two systems...) Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 17:05:37 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VM5bvc007679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:05:37 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m2VM5bBa007678 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:05:37 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VM5b1R007674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:05:37 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-22.nks.net [209.34.225.182]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VM5asp030565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:05:36 -0500 Received: from haylee.gendns10.com (haylee.gendns10.com [216.180.234.5]) by nks-ma-22.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m2VLRB92019372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:27:11 -0500 Received: from pool-71-98-164-57.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.98.164.57]:50576 helo=sherman.mars.lan) by haylee.gendns10.com with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JgRXS-0005e9-6S for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:27:34 -0400 Received: by sherman.mars.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 83D7A56A67; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:27:07 -0400 From: Paul M Foster To: slug@nks.net Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type Message-ID: <20080331212707.GX20298@quillandmouse.com> Mail-Followup-To: slug@nks.net References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <20080331025432.GU20298@quillandmouse.com> <20080331132650.GV20298@quillandmouse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-11) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - haylee.gendns10.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - nks.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - quillandmouse.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-HELO: haylee.gendns10.com X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.442, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL 1.11, BAYES_50 0.00, FORGED_RCVD_HELO 0.14, HOST_MISMATCH_NET 0.31, WGL_paulf_Pat_quillandmouse_Pdo_com -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 01:25:49PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:25:24PM -0400, Eben King wrote: >> >>> There's either a kernel flag for it supplied by the bootloader, or the >>> kernel expects / to be mounted when it's invoked, I can't figure > out which. >>> /etc/fstab has an entry for / , but it must be dummy, since by that time >>> / >>> is already mounted. The kernel needs support for /'s filesystem, either >>> modular (and in the initrd) or in the kernel. If the module to access > / is >>> on /, you have a nice catch-22. >> >> I don't think so. Once configured properly, grub knows how to load your >> *boot* filesystem. The entry in /etc/fstab takes over, loading the >> *root* filesystem once grub has loaded the boot filesystem and booted the >> machine. > > What's in the boot filesystem? I have no initrd, so that isn't necessary. > Well, with grub in particular, there is frequently a subdirectory called /boot which contains all the files grub needs to boot the system, and that subdirectory can be its own partition on the hard drive. But either way, the bootloader boots the boot filesystem first, independently of whatever else. Once the boot filesystem is loaded, the kernel can be loaded and take over with the root filesystem. Back in the day, there used to be a boot floppy and a root floppy for certain distros, because the bootloader has to get everything ready for the kernel to be able to read its root filesystem. Put it this way-- if the kernel could boot itself, there would be no need for lilo or grub. The bootloader has only enough intelligence to boot the system. Then it transfers control to the kernel. Paul -- Paul M. Foster ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 21:53:19 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m312rJBj010157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:53:19 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m312rJNg010156 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:53:19 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m312rJ6d010152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:53:19 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-04.nks.net [209.34.225.204]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m312rJI9000825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:53:19 -0500 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by nks-ma-04.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m312qMwQ023701 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:52:22 -0500 Received: from outgoing.verizon.net ([71.180.138.134]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYM00FY9LB2HVP4@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:52:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:52:13 -0400 From: Donald E Haselwood Subject: Re: [SLUG] Copying and booting linux with a partition with a different filesystem type In-reply-to: To: slug@nks.net Message-id: <200803312252.13260.dhaselwood@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-disposition: inline References: <200803302233.44040.dhaselwood@verizon.net> <20080331132650.GV20298@quillandmouse.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) X-HELO: vms042pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=-8.92, required 6, autolearn=not spam, AWL -0.83, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71, WGL_dhaselwood_Pat_verizon_Pdo_net -10.00) X-Spam-Status: No Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by slug-list-00.nks.net id m312rJ6c010153 Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Monday 31 March 2008 01:25:49 pm Eben King wrote: > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 11:25:24PM -0400, Eben King wrote: > >> There's either a kernel flag for it supplied by the bootloader, or the > >> kernel expects / to be mounted when it's invoked, I can't figure out > >> which. /etc/fstab has an entry for / , but it must be dummy, since by > >> that time / is already mounted. The kernel needs support for /'s > >> filesystem, either modular (and in the initrd) or in the kernel. If the > >> module to access / is on /, you have a nice catch-22. > > > > I don't think so. Once configured properly, grub knows how to load your > > *boot* filesystem. The entry in /etc/fstab takes over, loading the > > *root* filesystem once grub has loaded the boot filesystem and booted the > > machine. > > What's in the boot filesystem? I have no initrd, so that isn't necessary. A friend asked the Linux guru at his workplace about this. This guy talked   about the requirement for the correct filesystem module to be stored   in the "/lib" directory of the initial RAM disk (initrd).  He surmised that the Suse distribution builds initrd during the install   process and only includes the file system it needs to load onto the   partition specified.  In this case, the "other" filesystem wouldn't   exist as a module to be loaded from initrd. This indicates that the problem may be distribution-dependent. Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. 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The new COMPUSA has an email special for $9.95. Their info doesn't even say if it is Vista compatible. Richard Smoot ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees. From owner-slug-track29 Mon Mar 31 22:48:14 2008 Received: from slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m313mDI4010672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:48:13 -0500 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by slug-list-00.ssn.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m313mD2k010671 for slug-track29; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:48:13 -0500 Received: from nks-mail-02.nks.net (nks-mail-02.nks.net [66.152.21.101]) by slug-list-00.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m313mDhs010667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:48:13 -0500 Received: from nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (nks-ma-05.nks.net [209.34.225.205]) by nks-mail-02.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m313mC3o006654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:48:13 -0500 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by nks-ma-05.lvs.nks.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-9icb) with ESMTP id m313iUnp026453 for ; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:44:30 -0500 Received: from pc ([72.64.211.42]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JYM0033NNPS9AH5@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for slug@nks.net; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:44:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eben King Subject: Re: [SLUG] NetGear WG511T In-reply-to: <200804011029.30394.rsmoot@tampabay.rr.com> X-X-Sender: eben@pc.verizon.net To: slug@nks.net Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-GetARealMailreader: X-HELO: vms048pub.verizon.net X-NKS-MailAssistant-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NKS-MailAssistant: Found to be clean X-NKS-MailAssistant-SpamCheck: not spam, NKS MailAssistant (score=0.606, required 6, AWL -1.30, BAYES_50 0.00, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST 1.71) X-Spam-Status: No Sender: slug@nks.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: slug@nks.net On Tue, 1 Apr 2008, Richard Smoot wrote: > Does anybody know if this WiFi card works in Linux? > The new COMPUSA has an email special for $9.95. > Their info doesn't even say if it is Vista compatible. http://keystoneit.wordpress.com/2006/08/13/netgear-wg511t-linux-friendly-affordable-wireless-pc-card/ http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_wg511t say yes, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-networking/50456-wireless-woes-wg511t.html http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111467 have beefs. Survey says it uses the Atheros chipset, and not version 0.4.6 of wpa_supplicant. -- -eben QebWenE01R@vTerYizUonI.nOetP royalty.mine.nu:81 My parents went to a planet where the inhabitants have no bilateral symmetry, and all I got was this lousy F-shirt. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.