I fell out of my chair reading this, laughing! I recommend to
President, Paul Foster, that we ban Mr. Derek Glidden from attending
tonight's meeting for the possibility of a punching fit frenzy upon
all members. Literally, he may be, "SLUGing" away. Ok, bad
joke...back to my day job.
/mario
>(please excuse the reply below.. it's sort of an inside-joke, and I couldn't
>resist)
>
>On Wednesday 11 December 2002 14:49, Derek Glidden wrote:
>> I have very mixed feelings about this. I think if people want to have
>> their own web-diary thing (I hate the terms "weblog" and even more,
>> "blog". Don't use them around me in person unless you feel like being
>> punched...) they should go set up their own or find someone to host it.
>
>It's true. Derek has strong feelings against "blogs" (even saying that in this
>email is likely to illicit a punch in the face). He's harboring some deep
>resentment to the very idea of a "blog". The very blog-ness of a blog force
>him to consider anti-blogging, but he dare not for fear of using the blog
>word. Did I mention he hates blogs? Or even just the word "blog". Too bloggy,
>I guess.
>
>> I don't particularly like the idea of trying to tie something like that
>> to the SLUG list. I like mailing lists, I dislike web-based discussion
>> methods, and I would be concerned that discussion would move off the
>> list, or that a large amount of the discussion would turn into "I have a
>> question. check my latest entry at... http://blahblahblah/ " as the
>> entirety of the message.
>
>That's why a mail archive is nice. You can redirect people to a website with a
>link to the actual message. No, wait, that's a blog. Wow. Blogtastik.
>
>> I'm going to quote (yet another :) of my own rants about web-based
>> message systems I posted once to a different list (not quite as appropos
>> to this specific topic but virtually):
>
>Blog. Blog blog blog blogity blog. Blogger.
>
>> "I think web forums are one of the most horrible side effects of the
>> Internet explosion for a few reasons:
>
>Blog?
>
>> * A web browser "textfield" is an extremely sucky editor. Everyone has
>> their favorite email clients, but there is (except for extremely rare
>> exceptions) only one interface to the web forum and you MUST use the one
>> given to you whether you like it or not. (and personally, I've NEVER
>> seen a web forum interface that I didn't at least marginally dislike;
>> most are really despicably horrible.)
>
>With a bit of creative blogness, it is possible to put a WYSIWYG Java page up
>for editing blog content. I've seen a few Javascript sites with excellent
>blogging interfaces. My favorite blog engine (and yours, right?), PostNuke,
>has plugins for various editors.
>
>> * Invariably the forum messages are going to be stored in some
>> proprietary format with proprietary access methods (i.e. stuffed into a
>> database that can only be gotten to through the forum) and in a central
>> location with no hope of having your own local copy to browse offline or
>> search with your favorite email client or even tools like "grep". (And
>> with one central repository, if there is ever a drive crash and no
>> backups, that's all gone forever.)
>
>Most of the major hosted blog engines have XML backends and can dump to an
>easily parsed file for inclusion elsewhere. Even a SQL database of blogging
>goodness may be dumped to an intermediate format, should you wish to share
>your blog content. Think of it, blogging for future posterity!
>
>> * A web forum REQUIRES that you perform an action to participate - you
>> MUST visit the website to read anything; it doesn't just magically show
>> up in your INBOX as with a mailing list, where you can then choose to
>> ignore/file/delete or reply/participate as you might feel at that
>> particular moment. If you don't click on it regularly, you are no
>> longer able to even passively participate.
>
>I'm all for keeping a mailing list in parallel with a blog... legacy
>interfaces are a Good Thing (TM). I'm not fond of Web Forums, which are
>different than blogs. Perhaps you are confusing the two? Blogs aren't
>interactive, Forums are. Blogs are just rants by bloggers to blog their
>blogging life's story on their blog for other blog addicts to blog about.
>
>> * Web forums are subject to the whims of the Internet - if your route to
>> the server at that particular moment is down, you can't do anything, and
>> you have to either sit there clicking "Reload" waiting for it to come
>> back or give up and hopefully remember to come back later. Email will
>> queue up until the connection comes back - you might not get it
>> immediately, but you WILL get it eventually through no extra effort on
>> the part of the recipient.
>
>FORUMS ARE NOT BLOGS. Blogs are blogs. Forums are forums. People discuss blogs
>in forums, but are not blogs by definition. A blogger may blog about a forum
>as well. Meta-moderated sites like Slashdot combine blogs with forums, but
>this isn't neccesary.
>
>Ok, so blogs are better WITH forums, but you don't need a forum to have a
>blog.
>
>> Forgive the semi-rant, but I simply don't understand the fascination so
>> many people have today with using web forums instead of a simple mailing
>> list."
>
>Why does "blog" remind me of Emily Dickenson's "I'm nobody"?
>
>If this doesn't get Derek to give me a good punch in the face, I'm not sure
>what will...
>
>(psst: hey derek: "blog!")
>
>--
>- Ian C. Blenke <icblenke@nks.net>
>
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