RE: [SLUG] I told them . . .

From: Ken Elliott (kelliott4@tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Sun Aug 01 2004 - 22:52:43 EDT


>>The best security experts in the world agree that Open Source has a
security edge simply because it is Open Source.

I've often heard this said, but I don't believe that makes it true. It does
make it more likely that someone will find the error, but only if it is
being reviewed by competent professionals. It is not always so, otherwise
there would be no.

Apple's previous MacOS is a prime example of a secure closed source OS.
It's the architecture, not just open source vs closed source.

Ken Elliott

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-----Original Message-----
From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Paul M Foster
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:17 PM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: Re: [SLUG] I told them . . .

On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 03:12:48PM -0400, Robert Snyder wrote:

> God the usual MS bashing has started again.
>

And it will reappear from time to time as well. It is common on Linux
mailing lists, including this one. In fact, it appears to be common among
Windows users as well. The reasons are obvious. You should know that by now.

<snip>

> I see problems in windows but I find more in them is all this extra bs.
>
> If i were to count bugs in all the extra bs in linux probably have a
> shit load of bugs too.

Most Linux exploits are in ancillary software, not the kernel. There are
some significant differences in the way this works in Linux versus the way
it works in Windows.

The code for Linux ("Linux" being the kernel and included programs) is
transparent. It can be fixed by you or anyone else, and in general is
repaired more promptly than code from Windows. In addition, the OS APIs are
well-known in Linux. Microsoft APIs are a mix of known and hidden.
And the vast majority of the software that runs on Windows is likewise
closed source. The best security experts in the world agree that Open Source
has a security edge simply because it is Open Source.

Microsoft has made a series of crucially bad security decisions which have
lead to the ease with which its software products can be exploited.
Moreover, Microsoft's core OS architecture was never designed with security
in mind. Putting it in after the fact has been less than successful.
Microsoft deserves to be castigated just for this.

Yes, it's true that Microsoft's ubiquity has lead to more exploits than its
next most popular challenger. But the point is made moot by their horrible
security design and closed source nature of their software. People aren't
bailing from Windows in droves in favor of Linux because Windows is more
secure than Linux. Just the opposite.

Most of the exploits exploited by hackers on Windows rely on Windows
programs, not necessarily the Windows kernel. The billions this has cost
business and home users can never be recovered from Microsoft, and is one of
the reasons people are switching to Linux. The original poster's problem was
a prime example of this. It wasn't a kernel problem with Windows, but an
exploit that arose out of Microsoft's atrocious security model in Windows.
And the answer that his Linux system couldn't be exploited this way is an
example of what Linux's better security produces.

Linux's lower popularity leads to exploits found but never exploited.
This is the rule rather than the exception. Microsoft can't make that
statement about Windows.

Paul
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