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On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:54 am, Robert Snyder wrote:
> Just some general feelings on everything I just read.
As I started the thread I'll give my response to it.
> A. I dont think people who use linux should pressure people who use
> linux and windows into into one OS aka Linux. Because that make
> them no better than thosse MS zealots that force MS down your throat.
I agree with not using pressure. But, if somone presents dumb problems with
windows I'll offer a better solution, if possible.
Just to keep my question clear. I asked who uses only one. Not, you must not,
cannot or should not.
> B. Windows has it place in the world So does mac os classic ( 6.0 -
> 9.22) and OSX in all it many flavors panther jagular tiger. BeOS
> even has a place in the world even though it is dead and I have not
> found a productive use for it yet.
I think it's clear not anyone does it all better than any other. Windows
belongs in a hacker world, used by those who don't care. Unfortunately it
does not come with a surgen general warning.
Some of us have gotten ourselves into a situation where there's no reason to
use windows. So we are usually quite relieved and feeling for those who are
not in control over what O/S they have to use.
A sort of peace settles over you when you are out of the grasp of the Borg.
Instead of looking back or sideways, I'm looking forward.
> C. Instead of preaching how bill is trying to screw us over eith the
> eula, how about spending time getting the companies that make the
> software we use on windows make a linux port.
Here I partly disagree. MS is continously doing all they can to screw us. And
even if they did stop they have created such huge ramifications that it would
take a long time to clean up.
I suggest stepping up the counter FUD - i.e. the truth. Let the world know
there are better choices!
Look, they just got nailed in UK for using misleading advertizing. Nah, they
deserve all they get!
Valid point not to only concentrate on the bad side, but also coming up with
creative solutions. I'd like to think this is why we push OpenSource.
As far as commercial products. Well, market forces will make them take the
route(s) that it demands. So we just need to keep offering OpenSource and
Linux solutions, and one day it will be a choice platform to develop on.
> Here is a small list of applications I would love to see native linux
> ports of or at the very least retooled ones with wine built in ( like
> corel use to do with wordperfect before just dropping off the linux
> scene.)
>
> Photoshop CS (i run 7 on slack with crossover but i gotten use to
> some of the advanced features. )
>
> Macromedia Dreamweaver 2004 and future versions
>
> Access - This is a must have, I have not found another database
> program like it. Yeah if i wanted i could just manually enter a
> bunch of crap into <insert db program name> but I have yet to find
> one that is on par with Access... Or at the very list have a
> Filemaker pro port.
>
> Outlook this is not so much a must have as a like to have. I can
> already hear the groaning. The fact of the matter that I no program I
> have ever seen has had the polish of office. I know it awful to have
> office xp installed on the linux side but i just dont like openoffice
> / staroffice it not even because it functionally. OO functions great
> and can do everything the latest version of word can do. But it comes
> down to the lack of polish. OO 3 office 10 on a scale of 1-10 how
> polished a program to work. OO looks clutter and very office 95ish
> with is just blahhh.
These are valid points in my mind. But I've stopped using the above and am
happily suffering through the lack of polish as I don't want to have the side
effects I get from using them.
Outlook is a hackers best friend however nice and feature rich it is. So, no
feature in the world is going to convince me to use it. But that's me. I'm
not willing to end up looking in the mirror and call myself names because I
ignored the truth.
> I know there is alot of ms hate in the air. Windows can be a pain in
> the ass alot of times but office is stable and pretty. and most
> things
Hmm, I personally don't hate anyone. Including Bill. But I don't trust or
support their criminal behavior. So I will point out and or support actions
to either get them to play properly or stop them all together. (Within legal
means of course.)
I think a valid point is how you go about presenting your case. One can sound
like a rabid dog and noone will listen. Or one can present exact details on
what it is one is in disagreement with. And even better yet, include a
solution.
> But if the above list exsisted I would not use windows at all
- --
Steve
"They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
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