RE: [SLUG] Apple shifts to Intel

From: Andrew Barber (tuorum@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Jun 12 2005 - 20:06:13 EDT


True that they never mention which Intel processor,
but the development boxes are P-4, and I'm not aware
of any Itanium laptops. If they are going to have fat
binaries for PPC/x86, then the binary for Itanium
would be fatter: PPC/x86/PA-ish. Otherwise
performance would suffer.

Andy

--- Ken Elliott <kelliott4@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> >>I may be mistaken, but my understanding was that
> the Itanium was not
> really x86. It is RISC that has a hardware
> instruction emulator for x86,
> which was proven at one time to be much slower than
> a similar speed Pentium.
>
> You are correct. The Itanium is based on HP's
> PA-RISC long instruction word
> architecture. X86 was emulated in microcode. Had
> it been emulated in
> hardware, it might have been accepted better. But
> since the Pentium runs
> x86 code faster, and was cheaper, most folks took a
> wait-and-see attitude.
> Intel put less effort into making the Pentium fast,
> expecting it would have
> a short life as we all embraced the Itanium, and
> that allowed AMD to
> leapfrog them.
>
> But Apple's OS/X is CPU independent, so I believe
> they would find it easier
> to move to Itanium than Microsoft. In theory, NT
> (W2K, XP) is also
> CPU-independent. But someone more knowledgeable
> than me suggested that they
> have added x86 code to XP in order to better run
> older apps.
>
> Apple's Steve Jobs says the move is about processor
> power per watt, and that
> makes sense from a laptop standpoint. But I suspect
> there is far more to it
> than that.
>
> Secure64 is on record saying the Itanium can be made
> to run about 20x faster
> than x86, and far more securely. And Jobs never
> once said "x86", "Pentium"
> or anything else to indicate what Intel chip. Since
> the Itanium can run
> big-endiam and little-endiam code, it should emulate
> the PowerPC far better
> than the Pentium could. HP moved from Motorola CPUs
> to PA-RISC, then to
> Itanium - all big-endiam CPUs. Apple moved from the
> same Motorola CPUs to
> PowerPC - also big-endiam. But Intel uses
> little-endiam CPUs, so the
> Itanium had to be able to run both.
>
> A page on little-endiam vs big-endiam:
>
> http://www.noveltheory.com/techpapers/endian.asp
>
> Ken Elliott
>

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