On 6/28/05, Mike Branda <mike@wackyworld.tv> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 07:54 -0600, Chuck Hast wrote:
>
> > It shows a list with a check box along side of the list, the one that I need
> > is checked as atk, I tell it to install it and it goes off and does so
> > (according
> > to YaST)
>
> Chuck,
>
> you can confirm this by running rpm -qa | grep -i atk from a shell.
>
> Levi is right. You definitely need need the atk-devel package for the
> atk.pc file.
>
> here's a list from a SuSE 9.2 box...notice the last entry.... :^)
>
> mbranda@it100:~> rpm -ql $(rpm -qa | grep -i atk-devel)
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atk-enum-types.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atk.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkaction.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkcomponent.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkdocument.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkeditabletext.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkgobjectaccessible.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkhyperlink.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkhypertext.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkimage.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atknoopobject.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atknoopobjectfactory.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkobject.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkobjectfactory.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkregistry.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkrelation.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkrelationset.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkrelationtype.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkselection.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkstate.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkstateset.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkstreamablecontent.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atktable.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atktext.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkutil.h
> /opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0/atk/atkvalue.h
> /opt/gnome/lib/libatk-1.0.la
> /opt/gnome/lib/libatk-1.0.so
> /opt/gnome/lib/pkgconfig/atk.pc
>
Yep it was the atk-dev package, now it found that one...
>
> > but when I go and run the configurator no joy and if I do a find
> > there is no joy either, I have even gone and found the RPM on the DVD
> > but still no go... I am totally konfused...
>
> > Missing apt-get too..
>
> If you want to try to use apt-ish type package management, you need to
> install something like "apt4rpm". apt itself handles Debian (.deb?)
> style packages and unless they've changed it....to my knowledge it won't
> do anything with rpm's or rpm based distros for that matter. The
> alternative rpm management is "yum" I think....which RH Fedora was using
> unless they've changed that too. YaST does do a good job though. If
> you're trying to install the latest Evolution or Evolution-connector
> from source, TTBOMK not even apt can help you there (except for geting
> the source package I think). The package management system doesn't know
> about you trying to custom compile something. They're 2 independent
> systems with the exception that after you install the atk-devel
> "package" the source ./configure will recognize that the file exists
> where it should be.
>
Yes I know that it does not use the apt manager, that is a Debian package for
.deb files. I find that when I use apt-get on my knoppix and debian systems it
definitly does fnid all the bits and pieces, whereas with YaST I still
have to go
out and find things at times, maybe different environments but that is what
I have noticed.
> > Looks like
> > YaST does not deal witih dependencies real well.
> >
>
> See prior statement. YaST does fine with the several thousand packages
> it has access to. What I realized along the way is to make an rpm out
> of the source once it installs correctly (if it's not included with the
> distro or the distro package is way behind the times). Then YaST knows
> what to do with it and what dependencies it has via the rpm system. And
> it gives you a way to uninstall since some sources don't give you a
> "make uninstall" or equivalent.
>
OK, so what you do is once you have it all in there you create a new rpm
of that package with all of it's dependencies so that you do not have that
issue later on, or on removal.
I like SuSE, it is nice clean and works quite well, but this is the first time I
have had to dive for bits and pieces to get something up and running like this
under SuSE, I was hoping to find the Evolution 2.2.1.1 rpm so I could do the
install from YaST but so far have not been able to get my hands on it.
Paul told me I needed Red Carpet, but when I went to Novell to get it
the download
page reported a 404, so I guess they have moved it. Ohh well having to do it
the hard way is a education, only thing is that I have had to do a load of this
over the past 4 days and I guess I am sort burned and need to back away
from it a bit, but the down side is that as soon as I walk away from it I want
to walk back and make it work.... So I am my own worse venom...
-- Chuck Hast To paraphrase my flight instructor; "the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn and twisted metal."----------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is provided as an unmoderated internet service by Networked Knowledge Systems (NKS). Views and opinions expressed in messages posted are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of NKS or any of its employees.
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