On 7/29/05, Ken Elliott <kelliott4@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >> Yes and when the vendor dies your screwed. So when Linux dies, were all
> screwed.
>
> Perhaps my point was missed.
>
> With open source, I am not held hostage to the vendor being in business.
>
> If Autodesk, Microsoft, Adobe and Macromedia decide not to give out
> activation codes, or go out of business, you won't be able to install the
> software. If Novell goes out of business, I can still install and use SuSE.
> Ditto with Red Hat, Debian, NetBSD, and all the open source products.
Only one problem with that thought, If all those companies went out
of business then everyone would simply crack the install. Using
generated activation keys. Every program out there but those
companies has been sliced and diced and served up on the p2p table.
If novell died it would mean that could you still install Suse yes but
who is going to keep putting out security updates? Who is going to
update packages when platfoms change If novell died tommarow would you
still want to use Suse 5 years from now?
Opensouce is a wierd thing. You talk bout people will pick it up I
found out that is seldom the case. Too many projects that I use to
follow have been dead for 3 years. No one has come around and decided
hey lets me spend my free time coding and contributing to this
project. 4 of my favorite projects have died because of MONEY. They
work they get more responbility or they have to work alot more because
a baby on its way, you name it so they have to stop working on it,
and it always seems to follow the same problem. One person leaves
then slowly everyone else leaves.
Products that I find that will surive are Commerical backed projects
and Huge monolitic projects with a large number of programmers wear
loosing 1 or 5 programmers are not a big deal.
So things like
EDB which continues to pump new code into Postgres
Codeweavers which every patch they have done to wine is in wine's cvs.
Debain - There Army of programmers They just simply win in the numbers game.
But the small single man or small group projects are the ones that are
going to die and stay dead. No one going to pick them up and if some
one did 2 years later am I still going to be interested.
>
> Ken Elliott
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 6:53 PM
> To: slug@nks.net
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Biased Paranoia Against Open Source (Was Online File
> Archive)
>
> Ken Elliott wrote:
>
> > >>Every article says that Mono is going to die.
> >
> >Let's take a pole. Which do you think will die first?
> >A - Mono
> >B - Microsoft Visual Basic 6
> >
> >The neat thing about open source is you can't kill it. If development
> >stops completely, it just grows old until someone else picks it up.
> >
> >But the landscape is littered with the corpses of Win 95/98/Me, OS/2,
> >TopView, Actrix, etc. Closed source products die when the vendor decides.
> >Too bad if you based your network on OS/2, NT4 or Mac OS. MS is telling
> >developers that VB6 is soon to be no more. When you upgrade AutoCAD,
> >the license says you lose the right to run your previous versions.
> >Hope you don't need to access those old files you forgot to convert...
> >
> >Ken Elliott
> >
> >
> >
> Oh dont use Autocad example. Autodesk is the biggest pain in the ass
> company out there. Autodesk activation and registration process makes
> Windows activation look easy. At least with Autocad 2000 There was the
> number CD Key then you had the acitvation key (which really did not activate
> the product) then you had to call it to type in a third number by giving the
> rip the other two you just put in.
>
> Then if you use any of there plugins thats another hassle . Autodesk with
> there Autocad program are way out there in left field with there licences.
>
> VB6 has long been dead It was dead since the get go, very few useful
> applications have came out that were built with VB.
>
> OS/2 - dont make me laugh! And I still use the damn operating system.
>
> Mac OS Hmm It is amazing how Microsoft Office 2004 and Apple works can still
> open old Claris 3 files.
>
> Yes converting data to new formats has been a PITA for alot of people.
> But any OS has that problem. You can only stay backwards compatible so
> long.
>
> Yes and when the vendor dies your screwed. So when Linux dies, were all
> screwed. All OSes have there day. Win9x dead MacOS Classic Dead BeOS dead
> Windows NT Based windows (it is apporaching death with in the next 3
> versions) Linux ( will eventually die making way for what ever next
> generation Open source OS that will take it place.)
>
> So what every I am rambling on about forget it as everything will die off
> eventually
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >=====================
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net] On Behalf Of Robert Snyder
> >Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:27 AM
> >To: slug@nks.net
> >Subject: Re: [SLUG] Biased Paranoia Against Open Source (Was Online File
> >Archive)
> >
> >In there defense of my host, Mono is on very shakey ground. Every article
> >says that Mono is going to die. We are talking about a reverse engineered
> >product.
> >Also who cares if microsoft gets sued. It happens everyday
> >
> >I went out and I did put mono on my new linux box and while the app to
> >putting the files on the server it still not really what I wanted. I
> ended
> >up just coding a small text based no graphical interface php script with a
> >postgres backend to keep track of the files.
> >
> >On 7/29/05, Eric Jahn <eric@ejahn.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 08:30 -0600, John Pugh wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Bummer - guess that rules out pretty much a large portion of open
> >>>source since MS and IBM(and others) hold significant patents that
> >>>"could" pose legal problems.. In that case, you may find that the
> >>>proprietary licensed version of iFolder is a less expensive
> >>>alternative and provides everything you are looking for and much more.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>So, by this host's logic, since Microsoft is also constantly being
> >>sued as well for patent infringement (as they predict for mono), their
> >>products shouldn't be installed within their host environment either.
> >>Sounds like a double standard biased against open source <sarcasm>
> >>Wouldn't want to use anything that someone possibly else would
> >>possibly desire to lay claim to... that would be way too risky.
> >></sarcasm>
> >>
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