On Tuesday 11 April 2006 21:25, Logan Tygart wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 21:11 -0400, Jason Boxman wrote:
> > On Tuesday 11 April 2006 20:42, Logan Tygart wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 20:22 -0400, steve szmidt wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 11 April 2006 19:47, Richard Morgan wrote:
> >
> > I find your righteous arrogance amusing.
>
> It is not arrogance, it is experience.
On Tuesday 11 April 2006 20:42, Logan Tygart wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 20:22 -0400, steve szmidt wrote:
> > It's hard to knock people trying their best to solve a problem not solved
> > so far. It's also too easy to get on these blacklists and not easy enough
> > to get off. Not easy to balance...
>
> Hogwash. If your IP is on one of these lists, you deserve it.
Yes, that certainly sounds like experience talking.
> > Signing up for a hosting account shouldn't require a client to request
> > the entire known history of an IP address from birth to abortion. And
> > that doesn't include the unknown information about an IP, lost somewhere
> > in someone's personal blacklist that was inherited by someone else who
> > keeps it around as a blackbox solution.
>
> Again, if you sign up with someone, who cannot properly maintain their
> system, you reap those benefits and blacklists.
That much is certain, yes.
> > You can reject email from any host you want. That's entirely your call.
>
> Open relays and spoofers? I sure will.
>
> > But to wish suckdom upon people merely because they didn't invest the
> > resources to fully vet an IP address is abysmally disgusting.
>
> Where did I say that? I believe you have misinterpreted my words.
Did I?
> Hogwash. If your IP is on one of these lists, you deserve it.
How else would I interpret that?
> > Step down.
>
> I do not wish, to use your eloquent term, "suckdom," upon anyone. If
> your ISP is improperly configured or the admins allow folk to spam, you
> get what you pay for. I don't have to step down. You might try stepping
> up.
It's not entirely uncommon for legitimate mails to be flagged as spam by
recipients, as these days anything you don't want is 'spam'. As such, being
blacklisted when it's no fault of your own is entirely possible. I believe
it even recently happened to slug@nks.net. But, your opinion is pretty
clear.
> Hogwash. If your IP is on one of these lists, you deserve it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I guess I'm guilty.
> One of the ISP's, I most abhor, AOL, has far more stringent rules, as
> far as email goes, than I do.
And that doesn't make your attitude any less elitist or condescending.
--Jason Boxman http://edseek.com/ - Linux and FOSS stuff
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