Re: [SLUG] Cheap'n good laptops for Linux

From: Robert Snyder (robertsnyder@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 14 2006 - 10:47:10 EST


On 11/14/06, Eben King <eben01@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006, Bob Stia wrote:
>
> > On Monday 13 November 2006 15:42, Paul M Foster wrote:
> >> Bob Stia wrote:
> >>> On Monday 13 November 2006 09:26, Robert Snyder wrote:
> >>>> On 11/13/06, Jonathon Conte <thesicktwist@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >>>> If Free Software is important to you and/or you don't want to have
> >>>> to deal
> >>>>
> >>>>> with proprietary video drivers then get a laptop with Intel, VIA,
> >>>>> or ATI (Radeon drivers for models up to 92xx work well, newer
> >>>>> Radeon models have experimental 3D support so avoiding cutting
> >>>>> edge ATI) video. _Avoid NVIDIA_.
> >>>
> >>> And Why ???? Would you avoid NVIDIA ??? It is clearly superior to
> >>> ATI and is supported in Linux,uncluding 3D.
>
> >> Yes, NVidia drivers are pretty good, and NVidia cards deliver nice
> >> performance. But they've steadfastly refused to release source for
> >> their drivers. Thus, if you're further toward RMS than Linus on this,
> >> you'll want to avoid them.
> >
> > Welllllll.....yes and no. True, Nvidia wants to control it's sources.
> > But, it is still free and available to any and all in the Linux
> > community. And they are serious about it because they are continually
> > upgrading drivers as new kernels evolve. I mean, what more can you ask
> > of them? Why would you hold that against them?
>
> See, that's the difference between free (as in speech, _libre_) and free
> (as
> in beer, _gratis_). The word "free" is ambiguous, and should be
> qualified.
> If not, respondents should ask for clarification before making a response.

Ok this is getting stupid.

no point fighting over the same old bleep.

If you want a excellenct product with that supports linux but not open
source and you dont have a problem with the drivers not being gpl then go
ahead and get Nvidia / ATI product. I always lean towards Nvidia as they
just seem to have better linux drivers.

Now

IF your some RMS crack smoking opensource zealot dont use them .

Plain and simple We all do not want to see the same old debate go on and
on and on

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