slug.archive.0612: Re: [SLUG] Robins Article About Microsoft Op

On 12/24/06, michael hast <evylrobot19@cox.net> wrote:

Robert Snyder wrote:
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> On 12/23/06, *xcalibre* < xcalibre@mindspring.com
> <mailto:xcalibre@mindspring.com>> wrote:
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>     After Microsoft carrying the death kneel with them I would have to
>     have Microsoft sign a few things...
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>     A agreement not to sue or pursue any legal action for talking to
>     Open Source Reporters about the intent of what Microsoft is up to
>     by wanting a Open Source Evangelist.
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>     Next a agreement to not force some one to sign a NDA on any Open
>     Source Matters or Concerns that Microsoft has.
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> Why should you target Microsoft.
Ummm...  Probably because they make it their business to crush the
competition  so that they can be a monopoly, and we as members of a LUG
ARE the competition.  That's what I would guess, but I could be wrong...
> I have seen Redhat NDAs and I am sure Redhat is not the only LINUX
> COMPANY to use them.  They deal strictly with open source so why
> should they be given a by and Microsoft be forced disclose everything.

My problem is why should Microsoft be singled out like they are the only one sending out NDA. So in bill's little world if MS does a NDA=bad if Redhat does a NDA = good?

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>     Next an agreement not to force anyone to sign a no compete form.
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> Another one sided MS low blow.  They cant force anyone to sign a non
> compete form, if they did such a thing the federal government would be
> all over them like white on rice.
There is such a thing as brown rice, Rob.  In fact, if every piece of
software is a grain of rice, by your argument, M$ would be a big bag of
Uncle Ben's brown rice that Uncle Ben is trying very hard to shove down
YOUR throat even though you like fried rice, and I like short-grain
sushi rice.  The fact of the matter is that MS has done illegal acts
time and time again with no recourse from the govt.  When a company gets
strong enough, they tend to put themselves over the government.  It
seems that the EU is the only government that has the balls to hassle
M$, and they should be applauded for all of their childish harassment of
the Giant.  I'm sorry.  That may be a little one-sided, but if M$ had it
their way, I wouldn't have a choice but to use their crappy OS, and I'd
have to pay a buttload for it.

This has to do with his "force other companys to sign non compete contracts" They force Lotus, IBM , etc to sign anything. They use other dirty methods but microsoft is not threatening to sue companies they competition and make them sign non compete contracts.

Does MS use dirty handed tatics yes. But not the the degree bill would like you to belive.

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>     Next a agreement not to sue some one for coming up with product or
>     solution or claim it is intellectual property of Microsoft because
>     it can do some thing that Microsoft or its products can not.
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> MS and Intellectual property,well that is a 20 page rant so I will
> just skip this one.
There are few subjects that are not a 20-page rant for Wee Robbie, so I
will skip this one.

ditto

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>     Next a form to allow the person to still be a member of a Lug
>     without any strings attached.
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> I have friends who are Microsoft Employees who attend lug meetings
> with out fear of loosing there job.  ( it is a ms myth that they fire
> linux users )  They go as them selves and not representives of MS.
The testimony of someone who has a friend is hardly evidence.  This is
called urban legend.  Get them posting here to speak for themselves.
First-person testimony holds its own weight.

Well I did not word it correctly then. As on a summer vacation I spent 2 weeks up in redmond area, and went to a lug meeting with my two friends got a tour of there office. Most of how I based my knowledge on is on experiences I had on the microsoft campus.

>     Next a agreement to allow the person to wear any Polo Dress Style
>     Shirts with a Lug, or Linux Product Logo or a TUX.
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> Just like it is ok for a pepsi employee to wear coke stuff to work and
> around town right?
Bill, I can't back you up here.  You didn't specify when you would wear
said shirt.
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>     Next a agreement to allow the person to hand out Linux Cd's at any
>     Microsoft Event or Location without being forced to move away from
>     the event or Location.
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> This is a Microsoft Event not Linuxworld.  If they paid for there both
> at a MS Event well you would have a point.   But I would not want a cd
> shoved in my face any more than I want the local homeless begging me
> for beer money.
Sorry.  I have to agree with Robbie on this one as well.
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>     Next Microsoft Agrees that any event they are at such as a CTS, or
>     ITEC to allow the persons Lug to participate in as well and
>     advertise such that there is Open Source Presence with out trying
>     to run them off or their members wearing any Linux Logo Shirts.
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> Agreed assuming the lug paid for there spot at the event like everyone
> else.
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>     Next Microsoft to agree to make the person a part of their Tech
>     Net, give a 2 year Action Pack Subscription.
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> Why? why should MS give you any thing! They are not a chairity.
Well, assuming that M$ wanted something from Bill, what's in it for
Bill?  That's why he should get plenty of freebies.

He would have access to the company store like everyone else. No need for freebies.

>     Also access to any Beta Products especially anything that will
>     interact with Open Source Software or Linux.
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> See the above topic unreasonable.
Well, M$ has been doing some free (as in beer, anyway) releases of beta
and RC software to a small degree.  (Vista.  Admittedly, Vista RC-1 is a
little rough around the edges.  Drivers don't work well on it, and you
ironically can't use your Zune player with it.)  The price is right, I
suppose...

Yes but MS also keeps alot of betas behind closed doors for reasons.

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>     Finally agree a person to write about their adventures and
>     experiences with Microsoft without being sued for any royalty.
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> Many speak freely with out concern.  Yet another MS myth.  While it
> has happend in the pass it is not a common day occurence.
I have not seen a whole lot of testimonials from present or former M$
employees or affiliates.  The lack thereof seems to debunk the
declaration of myth.  Not proof, admittedly, but certainly indication.

Apparently you have not been surfing the blogsphere there are lots of ex ms employees who are speaking out. So far ms has yet to request that the blogs be pulled.

>     I doubt this would even have any chance for Microsoft to Agree to
>     all these Terms. OBTW I almost forgot Microsoft to sign an
>     Agreement for any Expenses up front that the person may encounter,
>     Travel, Food, Lodging, Rental Car, etc.,
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> Please again see the above about MS not being a chairity.
Bill is not asking for handouts here, but compensation.  I don't think
that it is unreasonable to ask an employer or partner to compensate for
expenses relevant to their expectations.

I dont know comming from Bill it would seem like he would go out of his way to abuse the expenses.

Like staying in a 6k a night Suite at the Ritz ( yes folks they have whole penthouse suites for 6k a night you can call the Sarasota Ritz for confirmation )

>     I seriously think they would have a Stroke over these conditions.
>     If not then I would maybe tempted.
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> Or think that your a lunatic one of the two.
Rob, that would be "...you're a lunatic..."  You want to say that Bill
is a lunatic, not that he owns one.  But, I disagree totally.  I think
that he makes some good points here, even if his original post was a
little on the random side.  Bill is a unique character, but I don't
think there's a single person on this list (your's truly included) that
is not.  This list wouldn't be nearly as fun otherwise.  So, keep up the
good work.  That means both of you, Bill and Wee Robbie.
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>     Bill Preece
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>     P.S. Robin please contact me when you get a chance.
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Re: [SLUG] Robins Article About Microsoft Open Source Evangelist