On Monday 18 June 2001 15:26, you wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 03:09:27PM -0400, Smitty wrote:
> > Perhaps you have taken too many of your dad's drugs, Isaiah, YOU reread
> > the thread. I asked you why do we have to be perfect? You're believing
> > your own psychobabble, now. Lack of perfection does not imply we "need"
> > psych treatment. That's a non-sequitur conclusion.
>
> You're smoking crack again Smitty. Much more psychotropic than
> anything I'm on. ;)
False accusation. I do not take psychotropic drugs.
>
> <--
> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:22:02 -0400
> From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG-POL] The Lunatic state of California
> To: slug-politics@nks.net
>
> > MOST (where most is the largest group in a group of groups)
> > descriptions in the DSM volumes diagram extreme cases, this is true; it's
> > up to the interpretation of the physician (remember, psychiatrists are
> > medical doctors, too, which last I checked, was a field of science) to
> > determine it's relation to the patient. We're not machines, nearly
> > everybody requires slightly different treatments.
>
> You are mistaken. "Everybody" does not require "treatments".
>
> ------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:03:41 -0400
> From: Isaiah Weiner <iweiner@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG-POL] The Lunatic state of California
> To: slug-politics@nks.net
>
> > You are mistaken. "Everybody" does not require "treatments".
>
> If you're alive, then you need treatment of some sort. No one is
> perfect and leads the perfect life, yielding the perfect body and mind.
> What you're saying is very similar to someone saying, "I have no problems"
> when the reality is, everyone has problems of one severity or another.
>
> Now, I'm not suggesting you get pumped full of thorazine and strapped
> to a table for the rest of your life, I'm suggesting you seek out
> homoepathic solutions, pro-actively, for future problems so you can avoid
> them.
>
> ------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:14:30 -0400
> From: Smitty <76543a@mpinet.net>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG-POL] The Lunatic state of California
> To: slug-politics@nks.net
>
> > If you're alive, then you need treatment of some sort. No one is
> > perfect and leads the perfect life, yielding the perfect body and mind.
> > What you're saying is very similar to someone saying, "I have no
> > problems"
> > when the reality is, everyone has problems of one severity or another.
>
> No, we do not need any treatment. Why do we have to be perfect?
>
> ------
>
> Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 00:28:32 -0400
> From: Isaiah Weiner <iweiner@redhat.com>
> Subject: Re: [SLUG-POL] The Lunatic state of California
> To: slug-politics@nks.net
>
> > No, we do not need any treatment. Why do we have to be perfect?
>
> The obvious answer to that question is, "It doesn't hurt to improve
> your body constantly through gentle, positive means." The same is true for
> your mind.
>
> -->
And you have only proven what I said. Thanks.
>
> > > If you can cite them, I'll ask some contacts at various medical
> > > school administrations why they were discounted. ;)
> >
> > Dolisos and BHH have published these findings. You would have to look
> > into that with them. There is the lead.
>
> But I don't give a shit about it. I'm perfectly happy seeing people
> that want to pursue it, pursue it through existing avenues. ;)
>
> If you want the answer, cite it with more precision.
You are the one who asked for the data, Isaiah. If you care to pay me
a consulting fee, I will spend a couple hours retrieving it from my
files and write a report. You are the one who asked, not I. There have been
folks who have already spent considerable time to convince these
university yahoos about the merits of alt. medicine. They don't care to
do anything about it. Only a grassroots movement has made any headway
in getting alt. medicine is use.
>
> > O.K. Psychiatry is made up of many entities. So, why haven't these
> > entities gotten together in the almost two hundred years of their
> > existence to clean up the field? There is no valid excuse for this. The
> > vast majority are covertly in agreement with the use of inhumane, brutal
> > "treatments". The APA is just full of b.s. excuses and lies.
>
> For the same reason it took the AMA its entire existance to recognize
> accupuncture as a legit practice: they're slow to change, for the impact it
> will have on the millions of people it affects.
"Slow to change" is quite a euphemism! The AMA has spent a great deal
of time and money trying to crush ALL alternative medical movements.
That is very well documented. check out Harris Coulter's books, Griffin's
World without Cancer to name a few. Using that as an excuse for the APA
is just another false excuse.
>
> > > How do you think that will come into play with prisoners WANTING
> > > chemical castration?
> >
> > Give them an icepick and a hammer and tell them shove the pick into their
> > eye socket, then swish it around.
>
> Oh, right, so death is the answer. First, letting them do that is
> illegal in 48 states. Second, you're a kook!
The icepick treatment I described is essentially a pre-frontal lobotomy.
Yes, it has been known to result in death. You seem to be saying that
if they do it to themselves, it is bad, but if a "professional" psychiatrist
does it, well, that's perfectly allright? If it is illegal for someone to
inflict that injury on themselves, why is it not illegal for anyone else to
inflict such a thing on another? Also, your last comment is a typical
psychiatric tactic:: When psychs lose an argument, they tell you, in some
fashion, that you are crazy. (kook, nuts, bonkers, etc.) Very basic
invalidation. You have learned the psych arts quite well from your father.
>
> > Thank you. I start this week.
>
> What are you doing?
My business, now. If you cannot have a rational discussion without
resorting to psych tactics, you're not worth my time. So long.
Smitty
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