[SLUG-POL] California Screaming; was: [svlug] How To Chase People Away From Linux (was: help (fwd)

From: R P Herrold (herrold@owlriver.com)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2001 - 22:06:34 EDT


"All the leaves are brown,
 and the sky is grey.
 I went for a walk
 on a winter's day"

Hey, Isaiah ...

... What is it about California (or is it just the Valley)
which bring out such nasty people that the president of svlug
has to publicly post this kind of 'reminder' to be civil ?

-- Russ

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:29:40 -0700
From: Mark S Bilk <mark@cosmicpenguin.com>
To: SVLUG List <svlug@svlug.org>
Cc: Mark S Bilk <mark@cosmicpenguin.com>
Subject: [svlug] How To Chase People Away From Linux (was: help

On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 11:16:40AM -0700, someone whose name I won't
mention wrote _six personal insults_ in response to a question from
a beginner. The questioner is called "stupid", "lazy", "in a coma",
and is said to "deserve" his problem, to have "bad DNA", which
should "stop here", and to be "trying to discredit" Linux on behalf
of Microsoft.

We are programmed by our culture and by emotional abuse in childhood
to feel superior to people different in any way from ourselves, and
to hate, attack, and destroy them. This is embodied in the Bible,
competitive sports, racism, patriotism, and capitalism. It is
*always* harmful.

This attitude and behavior is especially inappropriate in regard
to GNU/Linux, which is developed and propagated by the cooperation
of many people.

I hope the person who asked the question will not be turned off by
the attack and will realize that most people connected with Linux
and free/open software are happy to help. Please stay on this
list -- it is not for experts only (although there are a lot of
them here!). Also look at the documentation in www.linuxdoc.org,
especially the HOWTO files.

  Mark

>I was wondering how long it's going to take for somebody answering that
>"stupid question". Why stupid? First, the subject line, "help". Nothing
>about the subject! What the hell do they teach in schools these days?

>We just celebrated 10 years of Linux. Well it's more than that, a decade
>of GNU/Linux and we still get questions like that. Do a little search
>(it's free as in free $) in popular places, news groups, history of our
>mailing list, go to the public library, and you'll find that this exact
>question has been asked thousands of times before, in many languages I
>might add.

>No, I won't do that job for you! It's like, I need some information but
>I'm too lazy to go to the library, so fetch a book or a magazine, open it
>on the right page and read it to me.

>Unless somebody woke up in a cemetary from a DOS coma and doesn't know
>where to start, I can only recommend that the person, who asked the
>question in the first place, be rewarded with a DDA (Digital Darwin
>Award.)

>My position is that if the mentioned problem really happened then the
>person simply deserves it. Enough of bad DNA, let's stop it here.

>It's most likely that the original post was just another baseless "Windows
>attack" on most user friendly OS at this time trying to discredit it's
>flexibility; FUD in other words.

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