Hi Travis and the Group,
I'm pretty new to Linux, my question, after reading your responce is, how do
you manage to keep each of the O/S's current and sharing information between
all of them. I'm running two P'uters, both have M$ Win. 2K & Linux Mandrake 8
on them, and I have one heck of a job keeping each one up with the other, if
it's not 'critical updates' it's software upgrades, to driver changes, let
alone keeping all my data files in sycn.. It there an easy way of doing this,
again I'm a real novice to Linux about one year. I have upgraded once both
Red Hat and Mandrake on my desk unit and Mandrake on my laptop. Thanks in
advance, but please in your responce, remember I'm a "NEWBI"
Dr. Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: slug@nks.net [mailto:slug@nks.net]On Behalf Of Travis Walls
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:57 PM
To: slug@nks.net
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft backtracks
Heres how i feel about the whole thing. I grew up on Microsoft. Maybe in
another life, I'll be fortunate enough to have parents who use UNIX and not
MS-DOS. So anywho, I feel more _comfortable_ with microsoft software, and it
makes sense too. 10 years with MS vs. 4 yrs with linux on and off. MS has
indeed gotten to the point where no one wants to upgrade. either they are
happy with the current software or they suffered from a previous upgrade and
never want to do it again. but once one has an os installed its gonna take
alot for them to throw it all away and start fresh. Linux is nice, but not
perfect. I can ignore the bugs like broken fonts and occasionally
disappearing windows. and the fact that you have to use three different
progs for every task to get all the features you want.... and occasional
system lockups. I can put up with it, i did for windows. but howsa bout
hardware. when i buy hardware i dont rant and rave if theres no linux
support. i just get an os that supports it. now most of my stuff works with
linux. but it just so happens the really expensive stuff doesnt. which means
im not throwing away anything. i guess what im trying to say is linux is
great and getting better, but until the industry openly accepts it aka
writes drivers for it, and more quality software is made i think i am goin
to stick with windows on my desktop. of course my server will still be
powered by redhat and my laptop just might stay with caldera, but i think im
gonna go back to MS. afterall, an amazing thing has happened. MS is actually
trying to listen to people, and people are tearing into them. and if youve
ever beta tested windows you kno what i mean, every dialog ask was this
dialog necessary why or why not. and there are tons of user surveys being
conducted who have used XP. so as far as im concerned im a happy MS user
because finally a balance has been found and its called linux
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Hires" <rhires@earthlink.net>
To: <slug@nks.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [SLUG] Microsoft backtracks
> (I'm still playing with my GPG signature, so I hope this all comes out ok)
>
> I gotta say that M$ and RedHat and Caldera are, believe it or not, on the
> right track with their software licensing, though I'm sure I'm distinctly
in
> the minority on this. AT&T gets to charge you a monthly fee for service.
So
> does the electric company. I realize that M$ and so forth are selling
> software as if it were furniture, and this would continue to be a
reasonable
> model if people bought furniture every few years. But they don't. They buy
> every 10 years (except the wealthy, of course, who are buying furniture
for
> several homes) or more. I think we've been spoiled by the software
companies
> because they used to be able to count on a new rev of their software to
show
> up every six months to two years to continue financing their software
> development and pay their employess. But as Operating Systems and other
> software has matured, people don't need to update their software so often.
> How many businesses are still using Windows 95? Lots, probably. So, now,
in
> order to stay in business, software companies have come to realize that
they
> are really selling a service. (I guess this is where I put on my asbestos
> flame retardent firesuit, even though I might get cancer from the
asbestos --
> I have a more immediate danger of flames! :-)
>
> M$ is right when they say they should be allowed to make improvements to
the
> OS. (It just ain't right that they already own the market and force others
> out of business or competition with them.) Bug fixes should be paid for
out
> of the budget of the already sold software. But "improvements" (which may
be
> some kinds of bug fixes -- it is left to the reader to determine what bug
> fixes are required, vs those that are optional) do merit a charge of some
> kind. Clearly, forcing people to change from a buying furniture model of
> software purchases to a buying a magazine subscription (for example,
"Brain
> Research" a rather obscure journal, goes for roughly $1000 a copy, and can
be
> found at a few research libraries around the country) can be a bit of a
> shock. But I think that perhaps Linux's strength here is that the endless
> upgrades can come at no cost, or at a significantly reduced one, since we
are
> talking about Free software here. I think someone should still get paid
for
> doing work for businesses (if that's what they do for a living), I agree
that
> holding a company hostage is not the way to go.
>
> Boy, another long reply.
>
> Russell
>
> On Saturday 07 July 2001 00:37, you wrote: > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at
> 11:45:05PM -0400, Robert Haeckl wrote: > > Whoops! > > > >
> http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/07/06/ms.extends.deadline.idg/index.ht
>
> >ml > > This licensing stuff _may_ be great for high volume accounts, but
I >
> just wonder how many dentists, auto shops, and other small businesses >
will
> sign on for such a scheme. I realize this kind of licensing isn't > meant
for
> them at this point. But eventually, Microsoft wants you to > rent your
apps
> on this basis. And once small businesses realize this is > the Microsoft
> scheme, I think they're going to be mad as hell. Can you > say "platform
> defection"? And a perfect opportunity for Linux. Go > Microsoft, go! ;-} >
>
> (We should do a marketing campaign on a basis of something like: > "Linux:
> The End of Endless Upgrades".) > > Paul
>
>
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