Guys,
I recently moved back from a wonderful two years in Germany (Air Force,
Satellite / Broadband guy) and after all my frustration of there not
being an english-speaking LUG in driving distance, was very happy to
find the SLUG, with meetings right here in my own town!
Maybe I made a mistake when I requested access to the mailing list...I
thought I chose the normal SLUG list vs. the politics one, but I haven't
seen much of anything but that.
I want to say that I have mixed feelings about the group after the last
week and a half of reading this issue get more and more escallated.
Preference over distribution is just that, preference. No one is going
to change anyone's mind with zealot-like passion for one or the other.
I'm a pretty firm believer that you use the the best tool for the job,
not make the job work for the tool, and if that means even going as far
as using a proprietary solution, so be it. Last time I checked,
licensing is a pretty cut and dry situation. Either you accept it, or
you move along.
Anyway, can you imagine the press releases if Redhat tried to crack down
on a guy who was hooking up an educational institution with "open
source" software? The community alone would eat them up.
I'm looking forward to meeting some of you guys (Tampa area anyway) at
the next meeting...maybe I can get the bad taste out of my mouth then.
Regards,
Marc W.
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"Freedom as in Free Beer is what I'm after"
On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 16:33, Martin C. Messer wrote:
> On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 15:37, David Meyer wrote:
> > Martin,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. Who then can we ask directly this question:
> >
> > "If a customer orders a white box from me, and specifically asks for Red Hat
> > Linux, not a stripped down version, but a real copy, and I go to the store
> > and purchase a copy or get one through my distributor, is that legal?"
>
> David,
>
> Under my reading of our trademark guidelines, if you purchase a Red Hat
> Linux box set in any way or manner, you can transfer that box set to
> another person as long as you haven't registered for support or RHN
> access using the registration number included in that box set.
>
> So it sounds like you are good to go in this scenario, since you are in
> fact pre-installing Red Hat Linux (not just the OS part) and passing on
> the support and RHN service to your customer. This is exactly one of the
> examples outlined in the trademark guidelines:
>
> "You may resell the boxed version of your software that you purchased
> from Red Hat so long as you sell the original discs and documentation
> included with the boxed version. However, if you have registered the
> product with Red Hat for purposes of obtaining support services, you may
> not transfer your right in those support services, and you must advise
> the purchaser that they are not receiving support services."
>
> http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/page6.html
>
> > That is the question here. Again, I have customers who MUST have real Red
> > Hat Linux to be supported on other products. Chad, the guy who I spoke to
> > that started this told me that I could not even to do that. And it was that
> > very issue which I got upset about. It made no sense to me, but that is
> > exactly what I was told.
> >
> > If you could help answer that question, I'd be most grateful because I am
> > quite tired of people labelling me with all sorts of titles. If I was given
> > incorrect information, PLEASE post it here. If indeed I am unable to
> > pre-load a purchased set of Red Hat Lilnux CD's, then please post that here.
>
> I must defend Dave's frustration here. Red Hat is not always the easiest
> company to deal with (obvious, I know), but it is not for lack of
> competence I assure you. We tend to change approaches on a dime, and
> during these shifts in direction there are gaps. Eventually we
> straighten up again, just in time for the next shift.
>
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