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> Maybe I made a mistake when I requested access to the mailing list...I
> thought I chose the normal SLUG list vs. the politics one, but I haven't
> seen much of anything but that.
I don't think you made a mistake. This near-flamewar is unusual. I'd have to
go back many, many months to find its equivalent. It hasn't quite gone to
genuine flamewar status, as it seems that gut reactions are being replaced
with reasonable responses, and even an apology here and there. I think alot
of the confusion is based on RH trying to protect itself and reputation, by
holding tightly to what is truly its intellectual property (as far as
trademarks and support, reliability are concerned), but at the same time
complying with the GPL and other Free/Open Source licenses, as well as the
spirit of those licenses. It seems to me that those involved in this rather
heated discussion are figuring things out, especially with the help of an
insider.
> Anyway, can you imagine the press releases if Redhat tried to crack down
> on a guy who was hooking up an educational institution with "open
> source" software? The community alone would eat them up.
I'm pondering writing something up about this rather long thread. It sure has
been interesting, and the rather important distinction between trademark
rights vs. GPL (and other Free/Open Source Software distribution) rights is
one that the community should be let in on. I think a lot of people in the
community see what's going on with RH, but don't completely understand it. I
think this same mis-understanding about the per seat licensing is causing the
United Linux folks some problems, too. (Assuming I understand it :-) IOW,
they are charging per seat for service and support, not for the software
itself...
> I'm looking forward to meeting some of you guys (Tampa area anyway) at
> the next meeting...maybe I can get the bad taste out of my mouth then.
You will. They're a friendly bunch.
Welcome back to the US!
Russell
> Regards,
> Marc W.
> -------------------------------------------
> "Freedom as in Free Beer is what I'm after"
>
> On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 16:33, Martin C. Messer wrote:
> > On Tue, 2002-06-18 at 15:37, David Meyer wrote:
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply. Who then can we ask directly this question:
> > >
> > > "If a customer orders a white box from me, and specifically asks for
> > > Red Hat Linux, not a stripped down version, but a real copy, and I go
> > > to the store and purchase a copy or get one through my distributor, is
> > > that legal?"
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Under my reading of our trademark guidelines, if you purchase a Red Hat
> > Linux box set in any way or manner, you can transfer that box set to
> > another person as long as you haven't registered for support or RHN
> > access using the registration number included in that box set.
> >
> > So it sounds like you are good to go in this scenario, since you are in
> > fact pre-installing Red Hat Linux (not just the OS part) and passing on
> > the support and RHN service to your customer. This is exactly one of the
> > examples outlined in the trademark guidelines:
> >
> > "You may resell the boxed version of your software that you purchased
> > from Red Hat so long as you sell the original discs and documentation
> > included with the boxed version. However, if you have registered the
> > product with Red Hat for purposes of obtaining support services, you may
> > not transfer your right in those support services, and you must advise
> > the purchaser that they are not receiving support services."
> >
> > http://www.redhat.com/about/corporate/trademark/page6.html
> >
> > > That is the question here. Again, I have customers who MUST have real
> > > Red Hat Linux to be supported on other products. Chad, the guy who I
> > > spoke to that started this told me that I could not even to do that.
> > > And it was that very issue which I got upset about. It made no sense
> > > to me, but that is exactly what I was told.
> > >
> > > If you could help answer that question, I'd be most grateful because I
> > > am quite tired of people labelling me with all sorts of titles. If I
> > > was given incorrect information, PLEASE post it here. If indeed I am
> > > unable to pre-load a purchased set of Red Hat Lilnux CD's, then please
> > > post that here.
> >
> > I must defend Dave's frustration here. Red Hat is not always the easiest
> > company to deal with (obvious, I know), but it is not for lack of
> > competence I assure you. We tend to change approaches on a dime, and
> > during these shifts in direction there are gaps. Eventually we
> > straighten up again, just in time for the next shift.
> >
> > --
> > Martin C. Messer | marty@redhat.com
> > Red Hat, Inc. | Information Systems & Technologies
> > 1801 Varsity Drive | 919-754-3700 x44148
> > Raleigh, NC 27606 | 919-931-9815 (mobile)
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